March 13, 2010 
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March 13, 2010 [00:00:52] *** PathagenX has quit IRC[00:02:19] <CIA-50> mmadia * r35832 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/gzip/gzexe: Remove the hard coded path to sed. Fixes #5565[00:02:52] *** PathagenX has joined #haiku[00:03:35] <PathagenX> sorry script troubles[00:03:51] *** PathagenX has quit IRC[00:04:50] *** ereslibre_laptop has joined #haiku[00:05:04] *** mmu_screen has quit IRC[00:05:07] *** ivoire has quit IRC[00:06:14] *** mmlr_mc has joined #haiku[00:06:29] *** mmu_screen has joined #haiku[00:07:24] *** ivoire has joined #haiku[00:07:25] *** PathagenX has joined #haiku[00:07:36] <PathagenX> SUCCESS![00:07:40] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[00:07:46] *** ereslibre_uni has joined #haiku[00:09:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_screen[00:10:34] *** ereslibre_laptop has quit IRC[00:12:16] <OmniMancer> success?[00:12:33] <flameshadow> He took over the world.[00:13:09] <flameshadow> I welcome our new PathagenX overlord.[00:13:20] *** jmayfield__ has joined #haiku[00:13:20] <DraX> nooooo![00:13:51] *** |Qeos| has joined #haiku[00:14:16] *** stargater has joined #haiku[00:14:21] <stargater> hi[00:16:01] *** jmayfield_ has quit IRC[00:16:24] <flameshadow> Greetings, stargater.[00:16:37] <stargater> jo[00:18:00] *** Qeos has quit IRC[00:19:01] *** NightlyUser has quit IRC[00:19:10] *** Kroki has quit IRC[00:23:41] *** ivor42 has quit IRC[00:23:53] <AlienSoldier> awsome clip http://www.gametrailers.com/video/four-bright-screwattack/62940[00:24:09] <AlienSoldier> awesome even :)[00:28:33] <mmadia42> If anyone's curious, on March 18th, around 19:00 UTC, Google will announce which mentoring organizations have been selected to participate in Google Summer of Code 2010.[00:28:58] <jmayfield__> so i had an interesting day... http://www.thewrap.com/article/disney-shutter-imagemovers-digital-15221[00:29:04] <vooshy> mmadia42: announced on there website?[00:29:42] <mmadia42> vooshy, yes http://socghop.appspot.com/ If I'm around, i'll announce it here & on our homepage either way.[00:30:12] * vooshy crosses fingers[00:30:22] <vooshy> we need another gsoc year[00:31:02] <vooshy> enjoyed maxime's webkit work last year[00:32:35] <jmayfield__> man.. i really dont want to have to do the whole f'ing 'job hunt' thing...[00:32:50] <AlienSoldier> when openbeos started, i was NEVER expecting something like GSoC[00:32:55] <jmayfield__> anyway...[00:33:02] <jmayfield__> sorry.. just needed to vent a little[00:33:23] <jmayfield__> stinking businessmen and their stinking decisions[00:33:53] <vooshy> jmayfield_: what is your area of expertise?[00:34:27] <jmayfield__> python development in general, with various specialties[00:34:51] <AlienSoldier> jmayfield__they are real genious at Disney, come on, they gave us Old dogs[00:34:54] <jmayfield__> i worked on the asset management and film pipeline at IMD[00:35:07] *** MrBIO829 has quit IRC[00:35:21] *** MrBIO829 has joined #haiku[00:37:50] <vooshy> python's used quite alot im sure you will find something[00:38:25] <jmayfield__> yeaah.. i m not concerned in the long run.. its just an unexpected bump in the road[00:38:36] *** Syn- has joined #haiku[00:38:39] <jmayfield__> hassle i wasnt planning on having to deal with[00:38:58] <jmayfield__> i HATE hassle.. hehe[00:39:09] <vooshy> the key is to make yourself indispensible[00:39:20] <jmayfield__> ...its why i cut my hair only once every 2 yers or so[00:39:49] <vooshy> then when you do go and they cant continue without you, you can come back on consultancy rates[00:40:41] <jmayfield__> we still have a movie to finish.. due for release next spring.. i am pretty certain i am among the people they need to keep onboard in order to finish the film.. but still[00:41:57] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[00:43:30] <jmayfield__> maybe this is my opportunity to get out of the usa[00:43:34] <jmayfield__> ..again..[00:44:31] <vooshy> where would you like to go?[00:45:20] <jmayfield__> new zealand, canada, possibly europe..[00:47:18] <vooshy> wide range there[00:47:24] <jmayfield__> hehe[00:49:39] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[00:49:54] <jmayfield__> regardless.. its time to get altered in the brain and relax for a few days[00:49:57] <jmayfield__> heh[00:50:35] <vooshy> reboot brain and relax with haiku :)[00:53:27] <PathagenX> Haikuuuu[00:53:28] <PathagenX> Listen to Zeppelin.[00:53:29] <PathagenX> Have you ever wanted rice?[00:53:29] <PathagenX> I broke the troll bridge.[00:53:57] <stargater> reboot to haiku und coding ,,, cu and n8[00:54:00] *** stargater has quit IRC[00:58:25] *** ereslibre_uni has quit IRC[00:58:32] *** ereslibre_uni has joined #haiku[00:58:32] *** ereslibre_uni has quit IRC[00:58:33] *** ereslibre_uni has joined #haiku[01:03:15] <PathagenX> Nasty ham wallet.[01:03:15] <PathagenX> Unique serial bus broke.[01:03:15] <PathagenX> Fried chicken sandwich.[01:06:32] *** PasNox has quit IRC[01:14:40] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[01:14:50] *** Geoz has quit IRC[01:19:42] *** E-WolfShade has joined #haiku[01:20:23] *** ereslibre_uni has quit IRC[01:21:14] <stpere> phew.. just done preparing my first course, to be delivered on monday[01:22:01] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[01:22:29] *** impulse_ is now known as impy[01:22:38] <mmadia42> ... are you going to mention gsoc? :D[01:23:23] <PathagenX> someone say haiku[01:24:19] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[01:24:27] <OmniMancer> haiku[01:24:28] <PathagenX> The smallest of you.[01:24:29] <PathagenX> The morning knew no sadness.,[01:24:30] <PathagenX> On the Chinese vase.[01:25:34] <DraX> god help us[01:26:06] <E-WolfShade> What god?[01:28:44] <PathagenX> Yea.[01:28:58] <mmadia42> PathagenX kicked[01:28:59] <mmadia42> from the channel of haiku.[01:28:59] <mmadia42> We are all happy[01:29:01] <PathagenX> I just saw the night.[01:29:02] <PathagenX> I am not a racist chink.[01:29:03] <PathagenX> An easy zink trout.[01:29:09] *** mmadia42 is now known as mmadia[01:29:14] <PathagenX> awwr D:[01:29:40] <PathagenX> I think zink is spelt with a c.[01:29:45] * mmadia couldn't resist[01:30:00] <flameshadow> cink? I think it is spelled with an s[01:30:20] <PathagenX> no.[01:30:24] <PathagenX> zink/c[01:30:26] <PathagenX> the metal[01:30:44] <PathagenX> yea zinc[01:31:21] <DraX> mmadia: that's an amazing haiku, we should get stippi to make it a browser error message[01:31:22] <PathagenX> Embrace an eyelash.[01:31:23] <PathagenX> The toast raped my mother though.[01:31:24] <PathagenX> Have you been so far?[01:31:40] <PathagenX> I would go down in fail history D:[01:32:09] <PathagenX> I'm bored of my own script now[01:41:07] <PathagenX> http://trekmovie.com/2009/12/04/video-star-trek-dub-happy-in-paraguay/[01:41:14] *** triplez has quit IRC[01:46:19] *** Andrius has quit IRC[01:53:17] *** vooshy has quit IRC[01:53:44] *** PathagenX is now known as AFKrden[01:57:33] *** l_n has joined #haiku[01:58:48] <l_n> did something change in the bfs driver? two different revisions have locked up at boot.. i enabled debug output at boot, and it when it's checking my secondary ssd's filesystem, it returns -1 no matter what it tries and then stops booting.[02:01:18] <DraX> there was some changes to checkfs.. but i think it's just a standalone tool[02:01:24] <DraX> not actually something that gets run[02:03:10] *** MattLacey has joined #haiku[02:03:55] <l_n> hrm.. looking more closely at the syslog, it may be the wireless driver.. i'm pastebin'ing the last bit of the syslog[02:05:16] <l_n> http://pastebin.org/111418[02:06:33] <MattLacey> guys is it possible to get SoundPlay working in Haiku?[02:06:35] <AFKrden> I never knew Mike.[02:06:36] <AFKrden> Apple fried banana loaf.[02:06:37] <AFKrden> An eternal fact.[02:06:41] <MattLacey> or do I need to try and find an old version?[02:07:20] <mmadia> 4.7.3 or older MattLacey[02:07:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmadia[02:07:40] <l_n> 'ello, mmadia[02:07:51] <MattLacey> cheers man - any idea where I can grab it?[02:08:00] <MattLacey> I even just dug out my old keyfile then found I couldn't run it :([02:08:02] <mmadia> what's your wifi card, l_n .. bcm43xx?[02:08:24] * MattLacey googles[02:08:50] <l_n> yeah[02:09:16] * E-WolfShade has a Broadcom adapter as well[02:09:22] <E-WolfShade> Two, actually...[02:09:40] <l_n> it works fine in the current revision on my ssd's.. but the revision just installed on the sd-card fails miserably.[02:10:19] <mmadia> which revisions?[02:10:33] <l_n> please hold while i fetch that information.[02:10:48] <l_n> <repeat last message ad nauseum>[02:11:44] <l_n> r35593 !(on-sd-card)[02:12:05] <l_n> 35819 on the sd-card[02:13:39] <l_n> my next step is to blank the sd-card (i use it to test and install new builds) and try a clean install[02:15:48] <mmadia> if you did two iterartions of a binary searched, that'd knock it down from 220 revisions to 55.[02:17:48] *** McBersaas has joined #haiku[02:18:13] *** rxt0 has quit IRC[02:19:29] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[02:19:29] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[02:22:12] *** Dean_C has joined #haiku[02:22:27] <l_n> mmadia: ?[02:22:30] *** MattLacey has quit IRC[02:22:33] *** McBersaas has quit IRC[02:22:34] <mmadia> ?[02:23:10] <l_n> please explain your recommendation...[02:24:10] <mmadia> a binary search: it's a way to reduce a large selection in half, by testing the middle value.[02:24:36] <mmadia> so, you'd test 35700 or so.[02:25:23] <mmadia> either way, you eliminated 100 possible revisions. for this example, lets say that it booted ....[02:25:48] *** McBersaas has joined #haiku[02:26:06] *** mmlr_mc has quit IRC[02:26:08] <mmadia> so you'd test the halfway point of 35700 and 35819 ~~ 35760 or so.[02:26:28] *** McBersaas has quit IRC[02:26:42] <l_n> ah, yeah.. that's how i trace ground faults in fire alarm circuits at work...[02:27:24] <l_n> i should've known the name of it, but i didn't. bleh.[02:27:25] *** duaneb has joined #haiku[02:27:50] <duaneb> hi guys[02:28:04] <duaneb> I'm interested in doing a google summer of code project[02:28:43] <mmadia> anything in mind?[02:28:49] <duaneb> well, no[02:29:12] <DraX> have you checked out the ideas list?[02:29:15] <duaneb> to be honest, I've been out of touch with the project for a few months[02:29:20] <duaneb> I'm just looking for it now :)[02:29:20] <DraX> http://www.haiku-os.org/community/gsoc/2010/ideas[02:29:23] <AFKrden> Alone, on the web.[02:29:23] <AFKrden> Apple fried banana loaf.[02:29:24] <AFKrden> Stone is cold when moist.[02:29:31] <DraX> dude, turn that off, please.[02:30:48] *** AFKrden was kicked by mmadia (Ouch!)[02:30:48] *** AFKrden has joined #haiku[02:30:55] <duaneb> anyway[02:31:00] <OmniMancer> ban?[02:31:07] *** Advant was kicked by mmadia (Ouch!)[02:31:30] <DraX> wait, what'd advant do?[02:31:31] <mmadia> .... tab complete fail.[02:31:51] <DraX> ah[02:32:36] <duaneb> what do you people look for in a student?[02:32:50] <duaneb> I've just come out of midterms and then a vacation, so I'm a bit dazed[02:32:59] <duaneb> and the google summer of code page does not have the best information[02:33:04] *** mmadia sets mode: +b AFKrden!*@*[02:33:08] *** AFKrden was kicked by mmadia (Ouch!)[02:34:09] <mmadia> Our students page on http://www.haiku-os.org/community/gsoc/2010/ will mention some ways to impress the mentors.[02:35:07] <AlienSoldier> 20 inch penis don't count[02:35:43] <duaneb> dammit[02:36:21] <duaneb> does it help that I've submitted patches in the past?[02:36:33] <duaneb> albeit small ones....[02:36:33] <AlienSoldier> i especially like the TTY suggestion[02:36:36] <mmadia> you can mentin it.[02:37:22] <AlienSoldier> i guess it's the simplest in the list[02:37:30] <duaneb> you know, I was attempting to implement a TTY the last time I looked at the code[02:37:39] <duaneb> not enough time as a student, though[02:39:43] <duaneb> ok, well, I hope that you guys will see my application in a few weeks[02:39:46] <duaneb> cheerio![02:40:31] *** duaneb has quit IRC[02:44:08] <l_n> mbti personality stuff is fun.[02:44:27] <l_n> esp. when you realize there are other people very much like yourself congregated in amusing fora.[02:49:45] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[02:50:08] *** oco has quit IRC[02:55:11] <mmadia> DraX : is there a command for displaying the fcntl information of a file? like LOCK_EX, LOCK_UN, ...[02:55:21] <mmadia> (on FBSD of course)[03:00:44] *** Advant has joined #haiku[03:01:34] <mmadia> wb Advant[03:03:54] *** aldeck has quit IRC[03:06:58] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[03:08:15] *** noldsel has quit IRC[03:09:04] *** E-WolfShade has quit IRC[03:09:20] <Advant> thanks, i fell asleep :)[03:25:38] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:26:18] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[03:27:13] <Disreali> z/back[03:28:14] *** l_n has quit IRC[03:29:32] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[03:32:25] <Disreali> wb mmadia[03:33:02] <mmadia> thanks, i couldn't allocate parent :|[03:33:34] <Disreali> ah... ok...[03:33:34] *** DDevine has joined #haiku[03:34:28] <Disreali> I just read that there is an AnyBoot img taget. has anyone tested it?[03:35:13] <mmadia> luroh tested it for mmlr last week or so.[03:35:55] *** General_Failure_ has joined #haiku[03:36:50] <Disreali> is the anyboot target meant to replace raw or be an additional one[03:37:13] <mmadia> iirc, to replace .ISO and raw on USB.[03:37:34] <Disreali> neat[03:39:28] *** sabianadmin has joined #haiku[03:40:14] *** sabianadmin has left #haiku[03:42:27] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[03:42:29] <Disreali> mmadia, congratulations on getting commit access. (I'm really behind on reading the ml)[03:42:45] <Disreali> hey Kokito[03:43:42] <Kokito> hi Disreali[03:45:41] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[03:46:39] *** l_n has joined #haiku[03:46:45] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[03:47:24] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[03:47:27] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:47:34] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[03:47:52] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[03:47:57] *** l_n has quit IRC[03:47:57] *** l_n has joined #haiku[03:53:10] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:53:31] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[03:54:07] <l_n> btw, what was the reason for my disconnect?[03:55:04] <Dean_C> l_n your reason was changing host[03:56:17] <Dean_C> BTW l_n, what part of TN are you in, if you don't mind me asking. I'm in Byrdstown, north central TN.[03:58:30] *** Dean_C has quit IRC[03:59:05] *** markos_ has quit IRC[04:02:02] <l_n> i'm in between knoxville and sevierville[04:02:07] <l_n> i.e. east tn[04:04:46] <Advant> TN, a state where you don't title trailers[04:30:48] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[04:33:25] *** Kokito has quit IRC[04:37:58] *** petterhj has quit IRC[04:41:49] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[04:47:40] *** l_n has quit IRC[04:47:48] *** Syn- has left #haiku[04:50:25] *** joeyadams has joined #haiku[05:24:43] *** surrounder has quit IRC[05:27:34] *** MattLacey has joined #haiku[05:30:16] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[05:32:33] *** Ola has joined #haiku[05:33:01] *** Ola is now known as Guest8856[05:34:27] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[05:34:37] *** DDevine has quit IRC[05:34:51] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[05:36:31] *** MattLacey has quit IRC[05:37:42] * Disreali is away: AFK[05:49:26] *** Nozy has quit IRC[05:59:53] *** olivdt_ has joined #haiku[06:01:13] *** olivdt has quit IRC[06:05:41] *** General_Failure_ has quit IRC[06:09:17] *** General_Failure_ has joined #haiku[06:10:57] <CIA-50> scottmc * r35833 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages: updated mercurial to 1.5[06:15:16] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[06:16:03] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku[06:20:37] *** Mefached has joined #haiku[06:33:46] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[06:36:14] *** MattLacey has joined #haiku[06:36:26] <MattLacey> lo again[06:36:41] <MattLacey> can anybody tell me what I'm supposed to do with my soundplay key file?[06:36:53] <mmadia> ~/config/settings[06:36:57] <MattLacey> I've got the file from when I registered years ago but I don't have the meail account anymore[06:36:58] <MattLacey> ah cool[06:37:40] <MattLacey> is there a graphical debugger for haiku yet?[06:37:56] <MattLacey> my screensaver is crashing but I'm a complete noob with gdb[06:38:07] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[06:38:12] * MattLacey is used to xcode/vs/ninty stuff[06:38:30] <mmadia> Ingo's been working on one for some months... some devs really enjoy it but he doesn't think it's ready to be in the default image yet.[06:39:17] <MattLacey> I'm pretty sure I'm just being a loser with memory[06:39:31] <MattLacey> is Ingo's one downloadable from somewhere?[06:39:43] <mmadia> svn.haiku-os.org ;)[06:39:55] <MattLacey> :)[06:39:56] <MattLacey> cunning[06:40:17] <MattLacey> also has Stippi been uploading new versions of webpositive regularly anywhere?[06:40:21] <MattLacey> I've got the second version he uploaded[06:40:31] <mmadia> r307 @ mmlr.dyndns.org[06:40:50] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[06:41:27] * MattLacey looks for that too[06:41:51] <MattLacey> gotta say it adds so much to the usability of the OS[06:41:58] <MattLacey> lack of a decent browser was always a pain[06:45:05] <MattLacey> what's Ingo's debugger called mmadia ?[06:45:19] *** Kokito has quit IRC[06:45:28] <mmadia> Debugger[06:45:37] <MattLacey> lol[06:45:48] <mmadia> src/apps/debugger[06:46:45] <MattLacey> cheers[06:50:42] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[06:54:13] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[06:55:07] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[07:06:02] <MattLacey> wow - webkit is big[07:06:02] *** fhein has joined #haiku[07:07:02] <mmadia> there are pre-built archives of Web+ on mmlr's site.[07:08:32] <MattLacey> ah I didnt't realise he had one for each revision :)[07:08:36] <MattLacey> that'll save time[07:08:47] <MattLacey> though I do always like running svn update to see what comes back[07:09:15] <mmadia> as far as what?[07:10:52] <MattLacey> find it interesting to see what areas have been worked on[07:11:02] <MattLacey> I guess I could just follow the commit logs[07:11:15] <mmadia> there is mmlr.dyndns.org/timeline too.[07:12:13] <largo> interesting...[07:12:19] <largo> KDL in the intelpro1000 driver? :o[07:12:23] * largo takes screenshot.[07:12:36] <largo> I left it running while I slept and came back to a KDL.[07:12:40] *** linkslice has joined #haiku[07:12:46] <linkslice> ok dumb question[07:13:18] <linkslice> i opened pulse and drug the replicant for the cpu to my desktop and now I can't figure out how to remove it[07:14:08] <mmadia> quit Tracker ; rm /boot/home/config/settings/Tracker/tracker_shelf ; run Tracker[07:14:16] *** DDevine has joined #haiku[07:14:50] <MattLacey> or right click on the little replicant handle and choose remove replicant :)[07:14:58] *** stargater has joined #haiku[07:15:06] <stargater> hi[07:15:15] <linkslice> that's just it, there isn't a replicant handle[07:15:22] <MattLacey> ah[07:15:24] <MattLacey> then quit tracker :)[07:15:45] <Mefached> Does anyone here use Haiku as a primary OS?[07:16:21] <mmadia> yes, Mefached. A decent number of us do.[07:17:04] <Mefached> I ask that as a lead-in to my real question, then. Anyone use Haiku on a laptop with a BCM43XX chip?[07:17:49] <DDevine> It's still a bit tricky to use Haiku as my primary. I can see it happening soon enough though.[07:18:10] <DDevine> Mefached: I'm sure that has been discussed. Tried googling?[07:18:16] *** joeyadams has quit IRC[07:19:05] <mmadia> http://echelog.matzon.dk/?haiku too "broadcom43xx" is the name of the driver.[07:19:32] <Mefached> mmadia, is that a Haiku-specific driver, then? The FreeBSD bwi driver never worked for this chip.[07:19:42] <mmadia> 4312?[07:20:20] <Mefached> 4312 or 4318. Different OSes claim it's different things, which is odd.[07:20:44] <mmadia> (most if not all of)our wlan driver are from FreeBSD, so you may be out of luck.[07:22:01] <DDevine> I have ordered an Atheros wireless card for my laptop. Soon as WPA is supported then Haiku has a good shot at being my laptop's main OS.[07:22:50] <Mefached> I'd planned on ordering an Atheros card ASAP myself, since they're just more cooperative in general. WPA is important to me too.[07:23:38] <linkslice> how do you quit tracker?[07:24:38] <DDevine> you can kill the PID.[07:24:48] <MattLacey> <mmadia> quit Tracker ; rm /boot/home/config/settings/Tracker/tracker_shelf ; run Tracker[07:24:52] <mmadia> or use process controller.[07:25:12] <mmadia> quit & run aren't actual commands :P[07:25:49] <MattLacey> yay for context menus in WebPositive![07:26:34] <linkslice> ah ok got it figured out[07:26:43] <linkslice> replicants are gone[07:26:48] <linkslice> what a pain[07:27:35] <linkslice> hehe haiku won't let you disable both cpu's[07:31:56] <largo> DDevine: I'm waiting for the atheroswifi driver to get fixed up myself before I go back to running Haiku natively. :( and a friend is anxiously waiting on that Broadcom 4312 driver as well (for his Dell Mini9).[07:35:49] <linkslice> i'm using it virtualbox, so I'm like the guy with multiple girlfriends. I just can't commit jsut yet :-)[07:36:13] * MattLacey is using virtualbox too[07:36:24] <MattLacey> just waiting for encrypted wifi to be up and running :)[07:36:44] * linkslice is on macbook, so I'll probably be waiting for a while[07:37:26] <MattLacey> I'm on my macbook pro - got a windows laptop not doing a lot though[07:37:36] <MattLacey> only arse with this is the 4:3 screen resolution[07:37:39] <linkslice> there you go[07:37:47] <linkslice> yeah same here[07:37:57] <linkslice> i'm on 17" mbp :-/[07:38:02] <MattLacey> on a 1080p monitor and losing around a 3rd of the screen space[07:38:10] <linkslice> vesa res is less than ideal[07:39:00] <largo> http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d12/phreadom/haiku/haiku-20100312b.png[07:39:02] <largo> :D[07:39:10] * largo proud of the redone "natural" logo. ;)[07:39:47] <linkslice> you make it?[07:39:49] <largo> I need to restart, grab the syslog, and file a bug report on Trac.[07:39:56] <largo> linkslice: the logo in the background, yes.[07:40:07] <linkslice> post it anywhere?[07:40:24] <largo> it's 1152x864, is that fine?[07:40:29] <linkslice> ya[07:40:30] <largo> I can recreate it at higher res if need be.[07:40:59] <linkslice> got more? i like the style[07:41:24] <largo> http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d12/phreadom/haiku/35haiku-1152-864-3.png[07:41:30] <largo> does that link work?[07:42:07] <largo> I haven't done any others yet. I might try throwing a few more together.[07:43:26] <linkslice> ya man make some more :-)[07:43:32] <linkslice> please of course[07:45:14] <largo> okee doke. :)[07:48:34] *** MattLacey has quit IRC[07:48:49] *** mmadia has quit IRC[07:52:51] *** fhein has quit IRC[07:56:02] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[08:16:50] *** DDevine has quit IRC[08:31:43] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[08:32:30] *** Guest8856 has quit IRC[08:33:45] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[08:33:46] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[08:34:46] *** DDevine has joined #haiku[08:36:38] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[08:43:40] *** [Nies] has joined #haiku[08:46:17] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[08:47:03] *** linkslice has quit IRC[08:47:52] *** Nies has quit IRC[08:49:33] *** rennj has quit IRC[09:02:08] *** stargater has quit IRC[09:13:59] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[09:16:37] *** DDevine has quit IRC[09:23:33] *** Xeon3D has joined #haiku[09:30:05] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[09:36:27] *** The123king has joined #haiku[09:36:28] *** Andrius has quit IRC[09:40:20] *** mmadia has quit IRC[09:41:54] *** tqh has joined #haiku[09:46:51] <largo> reported another bug. :)[09:48:00] <Auronandace> largo, can you test something out for me?[09:48:18] <largo> I can try.[09:48:28] <Auronandace> try playing an mp3 through once in mediaplayer[09:48:33] <Auronandace> keep it open[09:48:43] <Auronandace> then press the play button[09:48:58] <Auronandace> it plays the song through twice[09:49:25] <largo> ok, I'll try it out.[09:49:39] <largo> downloading an mp3 from miaowmusic to test with. :)[09:49:52] <Auronandace> thanks[09:51:40] <largo> I probably should have tried to find a really short song. ;)[09:51:52] <Auronandace> :)[09:52:10] <largo> it's 5:44 song. :/[09:52:13] <largo> so it'll be a bit.[09:52:32] <largo> ~45% through my first listen.[10:00:18] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[10:05:15] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[10:07:32] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[10:08:09] <Auronandace> i first noticed this in the alpha1 release[10:08:27] <Auronandace> i still find it in the nightlies[10:08:39] <Auronandace> the latest i tested was r35808[10:13:12] <largo> Auronandace: yep.[10:13:27] <largo> the seek thing is at the end of the track, but the music started playing again.[10:13:38] <Auronandace> i don't know if trac has a bug report of it[10:13:56] <largo> you can have the honor. :D[10:14:15] <Auronandace> it's partly the reason i always use vlc on haiku[10:14:29] <Auronandace> i don't have an account[10:14:43] <Auronandace> i'm just glad it would be reported[10:17:04] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[10:18:48] <largo> after that second play through it stops for real.[10:18:58] <Auronandace> yeah[10:19:04] <largo> do you want me to report it?[10:19:17] <Auronandace> i don't know if it does the same for movie files[10:19:26] <Auronandace> yes please[10:19:35] <largo> k. I'll check it for movies first.[10:19:39] <largo> then report it.[10:19:47] <Auronandace> thanks[10:20:15] <largo> thank you :)[10:24:11] <Auronandace> afk[10:28:03] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[10:29:13] *** __goo__ has joined #haiku[10:36:19] *** GeneralMaximus has joined #haiku[10:38:20] *** Disreali has quit IRC[10:38:39] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[10:38:43] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[10:45:52] <largo> Auronandace: movies seem to do it too, but oddly the little seeker widget moves through again when playing a video, but doesn't when it does it for the audio alone.[10:46:14] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[10:49:09] * Xeon3D is away:Sleep[10:58:58] *** Vooshy has joined #haiku[11:00:24] *** Qeos has joined #haiku[11:02:15] *** |Qeos| has quit IRC[11:02:18] *** General_Failure_ has quit IRC[11:03:44] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[11:05:10] *** General_Failure_ has joined #haiku[11:05:47] *** GeneralMaximus has quit IRC[11:08:31] *** rennj has joined #haiku[11:11:59] <__goo__> Hi, i wish to contribute to haiku. i did check out http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/EasyTasks as a starting point, but most of them already have patches. Where can i start?[11:12:47] *** ivor42 has joined #haiku[11:17:53] <largo> that's where I would have pointed you. :/[11:18:07] * largo doesn't know beyond that really.[11:18:22] <Vooshy> __goo__: what are your skills?[11:18:23] <largo> maybe if you have the skills you could try tackling some of the bug reports on the Trac.[11:19:10] <__goo__> I can code in C/C++ , but have no experience in contributing to an open source project[11:19:25] *** tqh has quit IRC[11:20:14] <__goo__> Well, the problem i am facing while going through the bug reports is how to start. I mean, do i have to understand the entire code of that app first ?[11:20:44] <Ingenu> not necessarily[11:20:48] *** General_Failure_ has quit IRC[11:21:25] <Ingenu> I think you'd have an easier time if a dev could point to work that can de done by a newcomer[11:21:49] <Ingenu> not sure they are awake, plenty of different timezones in here[11:21:55] <__goo__> oh ok[11:22:00] <Vooshy> __goo__: id recommend getting the source and building first[11:22:13] <__goo__> Vooshy, Yes i have done that[11:22:34] <__goo__> Vooshy, i did submit one patch too, but the bug itself was closed as the problem wasnt clear[11:22:54] *** General_Failure_ has joined #haiku[11:24:29] <Ingenu> geist: write newOS kernel[11:24:38] <Vooshy> __goo__: so its just a matter of picking a bug out of trac, finding the place in the source code and seeing where the mistake is[11:24:41] <CIA-50> stippi * r308 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebCoreSupport/FrameLoaderClientHaiku.cpp:[11:24:41] <CIA-50> Do the "postCommitFrameViewSetup" for all frames, not just main frames. This[11:24:41] <CIA-50> fixes cursors not working in sub-frames, since the top-level BView was not made[11:24:41] <CIA-50> known to them.[11:24:43] <Ingenu> mmu_screen: is a Haiku dev[11:26:20] <__goo__> Vooshy : Well, i have been trying to find a decent bug to start off with, but the problems seem very abstract[11:27:06] <H_MrSun> lalalala lots of work and no end on the horizon[11:27:21] <Vooshy> __goo__: maybe take a look at the wlanconfig utility and build a gui for it would be a good way to start?[11:27:50] <__goo__> hmm...ok, let me look into it[11:28:47] <Vooshy> __goo__: the cli client is hosted at http://dev.osdrawer.net/projects/haiku-wifi[11:31:50] <H_MrSun> another class bites the dust ... i hope[11:32:00] <H_MrSun> hard to test them when not allt he sub parts needed for them is implemented :/[11:32:06] <H_MrSun> is not implemented[11:33:23] <__goo__> ok, thanks.[11:34:38] <__goo__> Vooshy, is it already integrated with the SVN?[11:35:24] <Vooshy> im not quite sure if it is, the drivers are but the client im not sure about. the source is on the repository on that page.[11:35:59] <__goo__> ok[11:53:15] <largo> Auronandace: http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/5568[12:09:01] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[12:09:51] *** oco has joined #haiku[12:11:40] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[12:17:04] *** MattLacey has joined #haiku[12:17:15] <MattLacey> oh I am LOVING this[12:17:46] <MattLacey> decided to update my native Haiku install - sucker detected my wireless with no problems[12:18:00] <MattLacey> running wireless with web positive on native hardware is crazy fast :)[12:18:34] <largo> :D awesome[12:18:35] <Ingenu> :)[12:18:44] <Ingenu> :D[12:18:49] <largo> MattLacey: which chipset is on there?[12:20:13] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[12:22:02] <MattLacey> uhh[12:22:08] <MattLacey> intel 4195 iirc[12:22:32] <MattLacey> 4965[12:22:47] *** Vooshy has quit IRC[12:22:51] <MattLacey> only thing that confused me is that I didn't have to enter the SSID anywhere...[12:23:15] <MattLacey> I just gave it static IP settings and turned ecnryption off on one of my APs[12:23:24] <MattLacey> limited it to this mac address only :)[12:25:21] <MattLacey> so much nicer using native hardware[12:25:25] <MattLacey> absolutely flies[12:26:26] <Ingenu> I find it very fast already in emulation[12:26:48] <MattLacey> yeah it is but I found the drawing a tad slow at times in virtualbox[12:27:09] <Ingenu> I see[12:27:52] <MattLacey> also I don't know if you find this but teh mouse could be a bit ropey on the mac[12:28:29] <Ingenu> sorry, what ?[12:28:51] <MattLacey> mouse input in virtualbox[12:29:06] <MattLacey> sorry must be mixed up[12:29:07] <Ingenu> ah yes[12:29:16] <Ingenu> not perfectly smooth[12:29:20] <MattLacey> somebody else earlier was running with virtualbox on a mac[12:29:51] *** ivor42 has quit IRC[12:30:20] <Ingenu> I'm usually on Windows (temporarily on iPhone, hence slow typing and typos)[12:30:51] <MattLacey> the keyboard was pretty much the only reason I didn't get an iPhone[12:30:58] <MattLacey> I like buttons too much[12:33:17] <Ingenu> bah[12:33:43] <Ingenu> the virtual keyboard takes a lot of room though[12:33:56] <Ingenu> not ideal for chatting[12:34:11] <Ingenu> but then it's lightweight and fitts a pocket[12:36:44] *** killermouse0 has joined #haiku[12:37:08] <MattLacey> yeah[12:37:22] <MattLacey> I got a new Nokia thinking that the iPhone must have finally forced them to up their game[12:37:26] <MattLacey> unfortunately it seems it hasn't[12:37:36] <MattLacey> hardware is great but the software is flakey and buggy as always :([12:38:11] <Ingenu> ouch[12:41:30] *** VinDuv_ has joined #haiku[12:41:30] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[12:50:08] *** MattLacey has quit IRC[12:50:49] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[13:09:14] *** DDevine has joined #haiku[13:16:16] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[13:18:25] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[13:19:00] <Auronandace> largo: thanks for the bug report[13:22:21] <largo> my pleasure :)[13:27:42] <CIA-50> bonefish * r35834 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/signal.cpp: Added some kernel tracing for sigsuspend().[13:29:04] <CIA-50> kirilla * r35835 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/mail/ (Jamfile MessageStatus.cpp MessageStatus.h): Adding MessageStatus class, meant to replace booleans passed around.[13:33:40] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[13:35:22] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[13:35:37] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[13:36:43] *** tqh has joined #haiku[13:40:49] *** oco has quit IRC[13:41:32] *** PasNox has quit IRC[13:47:56] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[13:48:13] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[13:54:48] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[13:54:54] *** VinDuv_ has quit IRC[13:59:08] *** martinhpedersen_ has joined #haiku[14:01:45] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[14:02:14] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[14:07:00] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[14:07:35] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[14:07:51] <CIA-50> stippi * r309 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebPositive/WebTabView.cpp: (log message trimmed)[14:07:51] <CIA-50> Bugfixes for tab view click events:[14:07:51] <CIA-50> * When adding/removing tabs, process a fake mouse moved event to synchronize[14:07:51] <CIA-50> with the new tab layout.[14:07:51] <CIA-50> * Count the mouse clicks for the "double click into empty area opens new tab"[14:07:52] <CIA-50> feature in such a way that clicks into tabs never count (closing a tab was[14:07:53] <CIA-50> the first click before, the second would immediately open a new tab and[14:14:25] <CIA-50> bonefish * r35836 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs):[14:14:25] <CIA-50> sigsuspend() would previously wake up correctly when a matching signal was[14:14:25] <CIA-50> received, but if the signal was in the thread's signal block mask, it would[14:14:25] <CIA-50> not be handled. Added thread::sig_temp_enabled, an additional mask of not[14:14:25] <CIA-50> blocked signals, which is set by sigsuspend() and evaluated and reset by[14:14:26] <CIA-50> handle_signals(). Fixes #5567.[14:17:31] *** martinhpedersen_ has quit IRC[14:18:22] *** korli has joined #haiku[14:18:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[14:19:11] *** ahaaha has joined #haiku[14:21:04] *** kirilla has quit IRC[14:24:21] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[14:26:03] *** brechtm has joined #haiku[14:29:33] *** sprma has joined #haiku[14:30:35] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[14:33:36] *** Kroki has joined #haiku[14:47:16] *** markos_ has quit IRC[14:51:53] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[14:56:41] *** markos_ has quit IRC[14:58:23] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[14:58:23] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[15:03:27] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[15:06:43] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[15:14:54] *** nsm has joined #haiku[15:16:38] <nsm> hi, could someone tell me the size of a standard haiku svn checkout? I am on a quota based connection and don't want to be interrupted halfway. thanks.[15:16:49] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[15:18:04] <brechtm> nsm: a couple of GB[15:18:21] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[15:18:22] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[15:19:12] <nsm> :-( ok[15:20:10] <brechtm> mm, maybe less[15:20:12] <largo> ok, I finished up the 1920x1200 hi-res version of the "Haiku natural" wallpaper. :)[15:20:14] <brechtm> the src dir is 932MB[15:20:22] <largo> I don't think anyone runs that res though. :P[15:21:00] <nsm> ok, I will do it in parts or something[15:21:56] <brechtm> about 1.2 GB approx[15:22:06] <kirilla> I do![15:22:14] <largo> is that too hard to see? :/[15:22:37] <largo> (my monitor is a little bright right now... nearing its last days... so I might have overcompensated.)[15:22:50] <brechtm> looks nice[15:23:14] <brechtm> that's a render, I assume?[15:23:42] <brechtm> ah, didn't see the "haiku" up to now[15:23:56] <brechtm> maybe it's a bit dark, but I have some light reflecting off my screen[15:24:12] <Disreali> largo, very nice. curious why the second is a jpg and not a png[15:24:17] <kirilla> perhaps slightly dark and grainy (jpeg compression?), but it looks beautiful[15:24:24] <largo> brechtm: not that I know of.[15:24:29] <largo> Disreali: I have the PNG version.[15:24:35] <largo> but it was too big to upload to photobucket. :P[15:24:38] <largo> it's 1.2mb[15:24:41] <Disreali> ah[15:24:43] <largo> and photobucket limits me to 1mb[15:25:18] <largo> the background was from a "traditional japanese items" collection of wallpaper photos.[15:25:19] <Disreali> forgot that png's can get big[15:25:33] <largo> I created the haiku logo from scratch and integrated it. :)[15:25:45] <kirilla> possible copyright issue[15:25:52] <Disreali> both are awesome[15:25:56] <largo> I'll have to check it out.[15:26:14] <largo> the leaves in the logo are free, I know that. ;)[15:27:28] <kirilla> from what I've gathered, there's been little interest among the core devs to include wallpapers, but perhaps it was just my proposals that were not in people's taste :))[15:28:42] <largo> hehe[15:28:51] <largo> maybe I'll use tineye to try to track down the source...[15:30:16] <largo> http://allabout.co.jp/family/singlelife/closeup/CU20070911A/index2.htm <-- that little close-up halfway down the page is the only copy tineye finds. :([15:33:33] *** nsm has quit IRC[15:33:38] <Disreali> kirilla, including an actual wallpaper would be nice[15:34:10] <Disreali> though, I could understand space concerns in the images[15:35:14] <Disreali> is there an artwork page on the haiku-os.org site, or is it on some other site?[15:35:37] <kirilla> bug nordic has a creative section iirc[15:36:27] <brechtm> wallpapers eat memory, that can't be good![15:36:29] <Disreali> that may be what I was thinking about[15:36:39] <Disreali> ??[15:37:12] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[15:39:26] <kirilla> http://bug-no.petterhj.net/iconcontest/visualizer/?set=garum&size=&res=1[15:40:38] <kirilla> I can't find anything else[15:41:04] <Disreali> I remember that icon contest[15:41:16] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[15:42:32] <largo> http://dev.hug-nordic.org/haikuart/artwork.php?type=4[15:42:37] <largo> nothing there. :)[15:45:37] <Disreali> ah you found it. thanks[15:47:34] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[15:48:13] *** tqh has quit IRC[15:49:57] <CIA-50> kirilla * r35837 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/mail/ (MessageStatus.cpp MessageStatus.h): Adding the preferred copyright and license clause.[16:03:37] *** tqh has joined #haiku[16:04:28] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[16:04:41] *** leszek has joined #haiku[16:05:06] <leszek> re[16:06:18] *** DaaT has quit IRC[16:06:28] *** wildur has joined #haiku[16:09:53] <H_MrSun> yeey looks like BEntry ref also works, on to next file! =)[16:09:56] <H_MrSun> i wonder what to do now ...[16:17:12] *** tqh has quit IRC[16:19:42] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[16:21:55] *** DDevine has quit IRC[16:24:35] *** kirilla has quit IRC[16:28:54] <H_MrSun> BEntry& operator=(const BEntry& item); <-- this function, will that copy the object ?[16:29:01] <H_MrSun> so returning a new isntance of BEntry ? :)[16:31:14] *** tqh has joined #haiku[16:34:12] *** sprma has quit IRC[16:34:25] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[16:36:26] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[16:37:12] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[16:37:17] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[16:37:23] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[16:40:10] *** sprma has joined #haiku[16:45:42] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[16:48:55] *** Colin_Finck|lap has joined #haiku[16:51:33] <kitallis> H_MrSun, you there?[16:52:29] <H_MrSun> aye[16:52:48] <kitallis> H_MrSun, so i heard you tried building llvm with cmake?[16:54:03] <H_MrSun> aye[16:54:16] <kitallis> did you?[16:54:24] <kitallis> get it working?[16:54:40] <H_MrSun> well im using ldc aint i? :)[16:54:43] <H_MrSun> ldc is llvm based[16:54:46] <H_MrSun> llvm-2.6[16:55:15] <kitallis> can you help me fix out some build errors?[16:55:16] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[16:55:28] <H_MrSun> http://www.haikuware.com/directory/view-details/development/language/ldc-+-tango patches etc is in the downloaded file there =)[16:55:38] <H_MrSun> for llvm-2.6[16:56:01] <H_MrSun> and i think the buildinstructions.txt contains info on compiling both llvm and ldc =)[16:56:10] <kitallis> alright![16:56:12] <kitallis> thanks.[16:56:19] <H_MrSun> aye they do =)[16:56:39] <H_MrSun> dunno if the step to copy the autoconf files are needed tho =)[16:56:54] <H_MrSun> and requires cmake 2.8[16:57:04] <kitallis> yeah[16:57:23] <kitallis> just needed some sort of lead.[16:57:44] <kirilla> llvm .. HaikuPorts.. hint hint, nudge nudge: http://ports.haiku-files.org/wiki/dev-lang/llvm[16:58:27] <H_MrSun> oh =)[16:58:44] <kirilla> if there's been leaps of progress, would be nice to have it documented, and perhaps even made an optional package! :)[16:58:53] <H_MrSun> but is that for a specific version ?[16:58:57] <H_MrSun> mine is for the 2.6 release[16:59:12] <kirilla> it's the general llvm entry at HaikuPorts[16:59:18] <H_MrSun> llvm is a good patch as it requires like 3 changes :P[16:59:31] <H_MrSun> very portable and nice =)[16:59:35] <kitallis> i'll be writing a little doc, as soon as i get all the things compiled[16:59:43] <kirilla> for entries with versions, it might look like this: http://ports.haiku-files.org/wiki/dev-lang/lua[17:03:00] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[17:09:52] *** Kroki has quit IRC[17:10:15] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[17:20:18] <CIA-50> humdinger * r35838 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/aboutsystem/AboutSystem.cpp: Added a few more translators to AboutSystem. Thanks, guys.[17:20:47] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[17:23:36] *** Kroki has joined #haiku[17:23:38] *** ahaaha has quit IRC[17:25:43] * kirilla wonders if the stickers koki(?) made include the proposed "It's supergut!" :}[17:26:57] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[17:27:10] * humdinger wants a Haiku Kitty.[17:27:17] <Disreali> lol[17:28:04] <humdinger> oh, there's even a website: http://www.haikukitty.com/[17:28:20] <kirilla> heh[17:29:08] <kirilla> humdinger: what was the other black option I proposed? I forgot[17:29:10] *** AlonzoTG has quit IRC[17:29:36] <humdinger> kirilla: Me too. I hoped it would turn up in google...[17:30:52] <kirilla> http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku/Possible-Haiku-Stickers,12 :)[17:32:11] <humdinger> I just found it too.[17:32:36] <humdinger> Weirdly, in my twisted memory I thought I have visually seen the pink Haiku Kitty sticker.[17:32:46] <humdinger> The mind plays awesome tricks.[17:32:55] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[17:32:55] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[17:32:55] <kirilla> would be nice having a wide sticker in black and white, saying Haiku Factory, with a factory-zig-zag roof top building, and a alien head (little grey in monochrome) below each zag. and the URL of course[17:33:36] <humdinger> we need more artists.[17:34:11] <kirilla> and more tools for them[17:34:15] <largo> I don't feel I'm up to part with folks like Stippi.[17:34:18] <largo> *par[17:34:25] <humdinger> dto.[17:35:10] <humdinger> stippi is the strangest combination of artist and hardcore coder.[17:35:14] <humdinger> totally amazing.[17:35:14] <kirilla> yeah he's awesome[17:35:55] <kirilla> on the pure coding front I think Ingo holds the flag currently[17:36:14] <humdinger> yeah. axel is totally slacking off... .)[17:36:17] <kirilla> haha :)[17:36:42] <kirilla> I think he's busy with work[17:36:49] *** Xeon3D has quit IRC[17:36:59] *** Xeon3D has joined #haiku[17:37:04] <humdinger> which is good for him, of course.[17:37:14] <humdinger> hope he's paid what he's worth.[17:38:21] <kirilla> from haikukitty.com:[17:38:24] <kirilla> Blessed mother herb // Your smell so sweet and pungent // I roll in catnip[17:38:41] <mmadia> largo : the natural leaf logo you made is quite nice.[17:38:43] <humdinger> Uhh...[17:38:50] <humdinger> the "resident poet"[17:39:22] *** GeneralMaximus has joined #haiku[17:40:21] <humdinger> where can I see the natural leaf logo[17:40:29] <kirilla> humdinger: cat haikus[17:41:29] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[17:42:32] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[17:43:05] <largo> mmadia: unfortunately the background (the steaming pot) is almost positively not remotely free. :([17:43:42] <kirilla> got camera? ;)[17:43:53] <largo> not one that nice. ;)[17:44:03] <kirilla> + creative lighting[17:44:15] <largo> I got a cheap 5.2megapixel one that my mom got me for christmas a few years back. ;P[17:44:42] <kirilla> excuses excuses :P[17:44:46] <largo> hehe[17:44:55] <largo> maybe I'll just put the leaf logo on some plain background.[17:45:28] <kirilla> there are plenty of backgrounds of KDLs on trac ;)[17:45:32] <mmadia> maybe similar to http://svn.haiku-os.org/haiku/haiku/trunk/data/artwork/[17:45:42] *** Hugen has quit IRC[17:47:09] * largo grabs and looks.[17:50:39] * Disreali is away: AFK[17:54:03] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[17:55:47] *** Colin_Finck|lap has quit IRC[17:58:34] *** GeneralMaximus has quit IRC[17:59:00] *** GeneralMaximus has joined #haiku[17:59:09] <mmadia> humdinger : http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d12/phreadom/haiku/35haiku-1152-864-3.png[17:59:52] <mmadia> and a few others at a similar url : http://echelog.matzon.dk/logs/browse/haiku/1268348400[18:00:00] <humdinger> Ah, steamy! :)[18:02:14] *** Dean_C has joined #haiku[18:05:07] <largo> that was the larger one in jpeg.[18:05:12] *** mmadia has quit IRC[18:05:17] <kirilla> reminds me of that movie Curse of the Golden Flower.. http://www.alialtugkoca.com/word/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/curse-of-the-golden-flower.jpg[18:05:30] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[18:06:16] <kirilla> where the Emperess is given a cup of medicin (tea?) regularly[18:06:47] <largo> brb... need to reboot.[18:06:50] *** largo has left #haiku[18:08:02] *** tqh has quit IRC[18:09:52] <humdinger> is the empress the one with the cleavage?[18:10:04][18:11:01] *** largo has joined #haiku[18:11:40] <kirilla> yes, iirc[18:14:31] <korli> hey kirilla[18:14:39] <kirilla> hi korli[18:15:16] *** AlonzoTG has joined #haiku[18:19:02] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[18:19:02] *** mmadia has quit IRC[18:20:30] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[18:22:54] *** romulo has joined #haiku[18:22:59] <romulo> hi there =][18:23:20] <humdinger> hello[18:29:37] <kirilla> apparently pkgsrc bootstraps on Haiku now: http://www.haikuzone.net/news/2010-01-19_netbsds-pkgsrc-bootstraps-haiku[18:30:07] <Mefached> But wouldn't software built with pkgsrc not be compatible with Haiku?[18:30:22] <kirilla> why?[18:30:53] <kirilla> if it's built on haiku for haiku, I don't see how it would be incompatible[18:31:05] <Mefached> Isn't it written for NetBSD?[18:31:08] <kirilla> but it depends on how you package and distribute[18:31:14] <Mefached> I mean, Haiku doesn't have a working X Window System, does it?[18:31:16] <kirilla> pkgsrc is crossplatform[18:31:26] <kirilla> its just a framework[18:31:30] <kirilla> for building[18:31:46] <Mefached> Oh, I misunderstood. I'd assumed that you'd be building from the NetBSD tree.[18:31:54] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[18:32:06] <kirilla> it doesn't mean everything in pkgsrc would build and work. Each entry would still need to be ported to Haiku[18:33:54] <kirilla> it might be possible to cross-compile for Haiku from e.g. NetBSD, I'm not sure[18:34:34] <Kokito> wrt pkgsrc on NetBSD: http://haikuzone.net/news/2010-01-19_netbsds-pkgsrc-bootstraps-haiku[18:35:41] *** kitalis has joined #haiku[18:35:43] <kirilla> Kokito: scroll up ;)[18:35:46] *** martinhpedersen_ has joined #haiku[18:35:59] *** humdinger has quit IRC[18:36:13] <Kokito> kirilla, just logged in, so nothing to scroll up to :)[18:36:22] <kirilla> ah :) sorry[18:36:48] *** kitallis has quit IRC[18:37:06] *** kitalis is now known as kitallis[18:38:21] <Kokito> Japanese Haiku flier: http://haikuzone.net/files/temp/2010-03-13_haiku-flier-2010_a4-jp.jpg[18:40:18] *** adek336 has joined #haiku[18:42:07] *** martinhpedersen has quit IRC[18:42:10] <kirilla> The interview ends with a wish for improved NFS support in Haiku.[18:42:30] <kirilla> It would help people coming from unix to integrate and work with Haiku.[18:43:05] <kirilla> write-support for the common filesystem would help too[18:43:22] <kirilla> ext2/3/4, ufs[18:43:45] *** sprma has quit IRC[18:44:01] <kirilla> here's hoping the recent interest in NFS leads to commits[18:45:05] <kirilla> looks nice, Kokito[18:45:08] <mmadia> kirilla : bjl- made some progress last night.[18:45:13] <kirilla> cool[18:46:08] <kirilla> I had totally forgotten about haikuzone[18:46:14] *** sprma has joined #haiku[18:46:18] *** Ola has joined #haiku[18:46:20] <kirilla> nice reads[18:46:45] *** Ola is now known as Guest1142[18:47:32] <Kokito> kirilla, I had also forgoten about haikuzone for a while[18:47:40] <Kokito> :)[18:47:52] <kirilla> heh[18:48:04] *** PasNox has quit IRC[18:48:07] <kirilla> yesterday I realized I hadn't visited OSnews in a long time[18:48:46] <kirilla> which was a daily visit for me for years[18:49:01] <Kokito> I don't like osnews as much as I used to, so I don't visit it as often[18:49:02] * brechtm gasps[18:49:12] <romulo> is haiku running on top of xorg?[18:49:24] <leszek> romulo, no Xorg[18:49:27] <romulo> great[18:49:30] * Kokito falls of the chair :P[18:49:30] <leszek> app-server[18:49:30] <kirilla> romulo: we have somethign called app_server[18:49:39] <leszek> lol Kokito :P[18:50:17] <leszek> bbl[18:50:18] <kirilla> romulo: we have basic drivers in kernel space.. like mode-setting.. and then we have accelerators which run as addons to the app-server[18:50:22] <romulo> i found something as good as visual studio[18:50:25] <CIA-50> korli * r35839 /haiku/vendor/libpng/current/ (164 files in 15 dirs): updating libpng to 1.4.1[18:50:32] <romulo> netbeans :D[18:50:39] <leszek> omg[18:50:45] <leszek> vim[18:50:55] <leszek> the answer to all questions: 42[18:51:02] <CIA-50> korli * r35840 /haiku/vendor/libpng/1.4.1/: tagging libpng 1.4.1[18:51:19] <romulo> leszek: netbeans + jVi > vim :P[18:51:28] <romulo> and im a vim hooker :P[18:51:46] <romulo> do we have java in haiku?[18:51:52] <kirilla> romulo: netbeans is java-based, and while it's nice, it doesn't run on Haiku right now, since we're still a little short on the java front[18:51:58] <CIA-50> stippi * r35841 /haiku/trunk/headers/os/app/Clipboard.h: Indentation update.[18:52:19] *** Guest1142 is now known as OlaHughson[18:52:21] <CIA-50> scottmc * r35842 /haiku/trunk/ (build/jam/HaikuImage src/bin/Jamfile src/bin/tar/): Removed tar from the image as it's now added in as an optionalpackage[18:52:23] <leszek> nope not yet , but port progress seems to be done for more than 5 years .... maybe one day[18:52:55] * leszek is now really bbl , /me | grep something_to_eat[18:53:02] *** The123king has quit IRC[18:53:06] *** The123king has joined #haiku[18:53:09] <kirilla> patches welcome :))[18:53:14] <romulo> ah cool[18:53:19] <romulo> good to know java is on the way[18:53:25] <kirilla> http://www.haiku-os.org/blog/andrewbachmann/2009-12-21_openjdk_hotspot_libjvmso_built_haiku[18:54:14] <kirilla> given time, effort, determination, encouragement, and perhaps a little coordinated funding[18:54:32] <romulo> yeah :P[18:54:34] <kirilla> like the webkit browser and the wifi[18:54:36] <romulo> too much stuff to do[18:54:46] <mmadia> and more developers[18:55:18] <kirilla> yeah[18:55:27] <romulo> unfortunately i can only boot haiku on my other laptop, on this one it stops before boot completes[18:56:14] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[18:57:25] <romulo> i guess its ehci fault too[18:59:15] *** GeneralMaximus has quit IRC[18:59:27] <CIA-50> scottmc * r35843 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/Jamfile: Removed tar from the Jamfile instead of just commenting it out.[19:05:19] <CIA-50> scottmc * r35844 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackageDependencies: Moved tar to be a MandatoryPackage.[19:10:50] <kirilla> romulo: you can turn on on-screen boot messages by holding SHIFT while booting into Haiku, iirc[19:10:55] <kirilla> or pressing ESC[19:11:59] <kirilla> there's a boot menu where safe boot options can be tried[19:13:06] <kitallis> Hm.[19:13:27] <kitallis> I can't seem to Save As any file from Pe to anywhere[19:13:32] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[19:14:14] <kitallis> in this feb7 revision.[19:21:27] <romulo> yeah i know :P[19:22:23] *** The123king has quit IRC[19:23:30] <mmadia> 367 projects submitted an application to participate in Google Summer of Code 2010.[19:23:40] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[19:23:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o aldeck[19:24:14] <romulo> hmm cool[19:24:21] <romulo> when the results get published?[19:24:28] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[19:24:31] <romulo> i worked once on soc, is there a bigger chance to work again on i?[19:24:33] <romulo> it*[19:24:41] <mmadia> march 18th ~19:00UTC[19:25:07] <CIA-50> stippi * r35845 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/launchbox/MainWindow.cpp:[19:25:07] <CIA-50> Fixed completely broken restoration of the path as the main means to refer to[19:25:07] <CIA-50> an application location. It was basically always using the fallback of launching[19:25:07] <CIA-50> apps by signature... Should fix #5458.[19:26:11] *** the_ringmaster has joined #haiku[19:26:48] <the_ringmaster> does jam read from /build/jam/releasebuildprofiles?[19:26:58] <mmadia> not necessarily, but our student application form asks the question.[19:27:04] <leszek> re[19:27:23] <mmadia> yes, the_ringmaster.[19:27:34] <CIA-50> korli * r35846 /haiku/trunk/ (22 files in 2 dirs): updated libpng to 1.4.1[19:28:07] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[19:29:19] *** korli has quit IRC[19:29:23] <the_ringmaster> well i tried to jam -q nightly-cd doesn't work[19:29:48] <mmadia> build profiles need '@' in front of them. @nightly-cd[19:29:55] <the_ringmaster> oh sorry[19:29:57] <the_ringmaster> forgot that[19:31:23] <the_ringmaster> seems to be working now[19:32:18] <the_ringmaster> is /usr/local/bin such a bad place to install jam to?[19:34:05] *** korli has joined #haiku[19:34:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[19:35:13] <CIA-50> korli * r35847 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/translators/png/PNGTranslator.cpp: libpng API changed, adapted PNGTranslator accordingly[19:43:14] *** humdinger has quit IRC[19:45:41] *** korli has quit IRC[19:50:39] *** aldeck has quit IRC[19:58:06] *** lancel00t has joined #haiku[19:58:44] <lancel00t> Anyone else experience their fan running constantly whilst cpu usage is normal?[20:00:00] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[20:00:57] <HeTo> lancel00t: Haiku probably doesn't support CPU frequency scaling with ACPI turned off (which is the default)[20:02:27] <lancel00t> HeTo: How do I turn on ACPI? I have built from source and used UserSettings file...[20:03:05] <HeTo> be aware that ACPI is still unfinished and unsupported[20:03:19] <lancel00t> I see, I may be interested in trying it despite that[20:03:44] <HeTo> but you can turn it on in the kernel settings file, IIRC ~/config/settings/kernel/drivers/kernel or something like that[20:03:55] <lancel00t> thanks![20:04:11] *** Kokito has quit IRC[20:05:17] <lancel00t> Will there ever be a kernel config/compile process for haiku similar to that of linux?[20:05:19] <leszek> hmm... my eeePC 701 somehow turns the fan off when cpu is cool enough, even without acpi on in haiku[20:05:41] <leszek> lancel00t, the question is why the heck ?[20:05:47] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[20:05:51] <mmadia> lancel00t : no. there is no need for tht process.[20:05:58] <lancel00t> cool[20:06:11] <HeTo> leszek: yes but it can be difficult to get the cpu cool enough if it runs at full clock frequency all the time[20:06:28] <mmadia> our drivers are node-monitored.... you can build a new driver and basically copy it over the old one and you're good to go.[20:06:44] <lancel00t> oh neat[20:07:19] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[20:07:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[20:07:30] <leszek> HeTo, as the eeePCs Intel Celeron 900 Mhz is only running @ 630Mhz thats no big problem here atm[20:07:31] *** lancel00t has quit IRC[20:15:53] *** Dean_C has quit IRC[20:17:38] *** kirilla has quit IRC[20:19:32] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[20:27:39] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[20:30:13] *** S_2010 has joined #haiku[20:31:51] <romulo> why its already opened -> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/5203 ?[20:33:16] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[20:34:49] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[20:35:03] <Kokito> romulo, because nobody has committed the patch :)[20:35:13] <romulo> heh, most of the easy tasks (if not all) are alerady done[20:35:25] <kitallis> yeah[20:35:29] <kitallis> i noticed that too[20:36:06] *** sprma has quit IRC[20:37:47] <CIA-50> scottmc * r35848 /haiku/trunk/ (build/jam/HaikuImage src/bin/Jamfile src/bin/vim/): Removed vim, since it is now available as an optionalpackage.[20:38:19] *** Hugen has quit IRC[20:41:04] <romulo> is Bruno Albuquerque from brazil?[20:41:36] <kirilla> yes[20:41:40] *** ahaaha has joined #haiku[20:41:43] <Kokito> yes romulo[20:42:21] <mmadia> romulo , kitallis : you can also grok the source for TODO[20:42:27] <mmadia> http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/[20:42:28] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[20:43:08] <romulo> nice[20:47:59] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[20:53:22] *** Disreali_ has joined #haiku[20:56:43] *** the_ringmaster has quit IRC[20:56:47] *** Disreali has quit IRC[20:56:55] <kirilla> I wonder if it'd be cool to have as a Terminal feature a column showing a timestamp for each line of output[20:57:08] <kirilla> probably not especially useful :)[20:58:06] <kirilla> I guess it wouldn't be hard to make a script for it, if one needed it[20:58:25] *** The_Ringmaster has joined #haiku[20:59:31] <HeTo> kirilla: \A in PS1 has been enough for my purposes[21:00:28] <kirilla> yeah[21:00:38] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[21:00:54] *** MrBIO829 has quit IRC[21:02:05] <H_MrSun> gaah i wanna get these damn Support and Storage kits done so i can start writing the App kit stuff :P[21:02:17] <mmadia> kirilla : http://www.debian-administration.org/users/rossen/weblog/1 ?[21:02:40] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[21:02:40] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[21:03:05] *** Xeon4D has joined #haiku[21:03:27] *** The_Ringmaster has quit IRC[21:04:40] *** Xeon3D has quit IRC[21:04:41] <kirilla> mmadia: I was thinking more about timestamps for the output lines of whatever commands one might run[21:05:11] <kirilla> e.g. if they take hours and one walks away and wonders when something occurred[21:06:00] <kirilla> H_MrSun: contributing to the Haiku Book?[21:06:15] <H_MrSun> kirilla, no wiriting C and D bindings =)[21:06:21] <kirilla> aha :)[21:06:34] <kirilla> D might be neat[21:07:02] <kirilla> D > C :))[21:07:59] <H_MrSun> but its hard to keep track of everything =)[21:08:06] <H_MrSun> i thoguht it would be second nature by now but hell no .. :P[21:08:30] <kirilla> mmadia: I suppose just piping to xargs and calling date should work fine[21:10:27] <kirilla> y.a.reboot[21:10:29] *** kirilla has quit IRC[21:15:23] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[21:15:38] *** siroi has joined #haiku[21:18:11] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[21:20:10] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[21:20:15] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[21:21:07] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[21:21:08] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[21:22:20] *** mvfranz has joined #haiku[21:22:51] *** siroi has left #haiku[21:25:35] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[21:26:33] <kirilla> I have this application crash where the backtrace doesn't make sense to me[21:26:37] <kirilla> http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/xref/src/apps/launchbox/IconButton.cpp#782[21:26:52] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[21:27:03] *** brechtm has quit IRC[21:27:05] <kirilla> I'm making use of the IconButton class in a rewrite of Mail[21:27:18] <kirilla> and there's a crash in IconButton::_AddFlags()[21:27:36] <kirilla> but I can't see how anything in the function could result in a seg fault[21:27:56] <kirilla> perhaps in _Update(), but then the stack trace is one function short[21:30:46] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[21:30:51] <Kokito> Mail rewrite! YAY! :)[21:31:02] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[21:31:28] <kirilla> very slowly[21:31:48] <kirilla> I almost regret mentioning it <:)[21:32:29] *** Geoz has quit IRC[21:32:30] <Kokito> :)[21:32:45] <Kokito> take your time kirilla[21:33:44] <kirilla> thanks[21:34:13] <kirilla> I hate wasted time (should someone clobbers my work) more than I hate the pressure of being public[21:34:32] <kirilla> s/hate/dislike[21:37:07] *** martinhpedersen_ has quit IRC[21:37:37] *** lancel00t has joined #haiku[21:40:07] *** stargater has joined #haiku[21:40:11] <stargater> hi[21:40:40] *** genkie has joined #haiku[21:43:43] <Kokito> stargater![21:44:39] <kitallis> wat[21:44:57] <stargater> Kokito, hi[21:45:06] <kitallis> finally i get llvm working with cmake[21:45:34] <kitallis> I get a "virtual memory exhausted: Out of memory" while make-ing :S[21:47:18] *** duaneb has joined #haiku[21:52:40] <mmadia> anyone know if we have documentation that explains how to update programs to use the layout & locale api?[21:53:19] <stargater> no[21:53:32] <stargater> reading the headers an example[21:53:40] <Kokito> mmadia, for locale API, this may be a start: http://hta.haikuzone.net/node/33094[21:54:01] <stargater> jop cool site and good for tranzlaters[21:54:03] <Kokito> sorry, wrong URL mmadia. this is the right one < http://hta.haikuzone.net/dev-how-to[21:54:31] *** ahaaha is now known as Zdzichu[21:54:38] *** Zdzichu is now known as Zdzichu_zawodowi[21:56:13] *** Zdzichu_zawodowi has quit IRC[21:56:56] <stargater> mmadia, http://www.haiku-os.org/documents/dev/laying_it_all_out_part_1[21:57:04] <stargater> but i waiting for part 2[21:57:36] <mmadia> ah, thanks stargater.[21:59:08] <stargater> np[21:59:20] <Kokito> mmadia, you can also find all "locale kit" tagged entries here: http://www.haiku-os.org/tags/localekit[21:59:53] <stargater> but i think the layout stuff in haiku is not so easy to understand ![22:00:11] <kitallis> H_MrSun, any idea why that would happen ^[22:01:04] <H_MrSun> kirillahuh ? :)[22:01:11] <H_MrSun> virutal memory stuff ?[22:01:13] <H_MrSun> low ram ?[22:01:17] <kitallis> :S[22:01:21] <kitallis> hm[22:01:26] <H_MrSun> i had a problem when buidling, after a while it failed, then i had to reboot[22:01:29] <H_MrSun> then it worked fine again =)[22:01:37] <kitallis> i'm running it on a VM[22:01:41] <kitallis> maybe that's the case[22:01:58] <H_MrSun> especialy when compling the gacs or what they are called[22:02:08] <H_MrSun> the x86 takes forever and needs like totaly clear ram to fully compile :P[22:02:10] <kitallis> the what?[22:02:14] <kitallis> yeah[22:02:19] <H_MrSun> a part of llvm =)[22:02:23] <kitallis> makes sense, should install on disk[22:02:25] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[22:02:27] <H_MrSun> dont know if that was the name =)[22:03:54] *** genkie has quit IRC[22:05:47] <CIA-50> scottmc * r643 /haikuports/trunk/dev-libs/libiconv/ (libiconv-1.13.bep libiconv-1.13.1.bep): Renamed the libiconv 1.13 .bep file to 1.13.1 to reflect the correct version number.[22:07:31] <stargater> mmadia, http://qt.nokia.com/doc/4.6/layout.html[22:08:22] *** kitallis has quit IRC[22:08:34] <H_MrSun> lalala i just cant wait until i get to BMessage file... NOT[22:08:36] <H_MrSun> :P[22:08:43] <H_MrSun> BPath implemented in C atleast =)[22:09:22] *** Mefached has quit IRC[22:09:55] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[22:10:51] *** Dean_C has joined #haiku[22:13:35] <duaneb> hello people[22:14:19] <Kokito> hi duaneb[22:15:52] <kirilla> H_MrSun: wha?[22:16:42] <kirilla> H_MrSun: was that a comment on the stuff I wrote about the backtrace I didn't understand?[22:18:11] <kirilla> mmadia: I wish there was an article on how to alter existing views to make them great citizens of the new layout world[22:18:54] <kirilla> and also explaining the relation between views and layout groups.. what happens when and[22:20:19] <kirilla> I haven't really felt like diving into the classes themselves. I'm a bit unused to templated C++ as well.[22:20:42] <H_MrSun> oh a backtrace?[22:20:47] <H_MrSun> kirilla, im very very tired atm :)[22:21:06] <kirilla> H_MrSun: at 21:29[22:21:12] <H_MrSun> no timestamps :/[22:21:14] <kirilla> ehm.. CET[22:21:19] <kirilla> ah :)[22:21:42] <H_MrSun> now =)[22:21:44] <H_MrSun> enabled[22:22:23] <kirilla> H_MrSun: http://echelog.matzon.dk/logs/browse/haiku/1268434800[22:22:30] <kirilla> but anyway, nm :)[22:22:53] <H_MrSun> BPath soon done atleast =)[22:22:54] <H_MrSun> yeey[22:24:30] <kirilla> bbl[22:24:32] *** kirilla has quit IRC[22:26:22] *** Dean_C has quit IRC[22:26:33] <duaneb> So I'm applying to do a gsoc project[22:26:42] <H_MrSun> what project? :)[22:26:48] <duaneb> I'm debating whether to port a graphics driver or implement the tty interface[22:26:57] <duaneb> or perhaps something else[22:27:08] <duaneb> I'm skittish of the graphics driver thing, but that would potentially be really cool[22:27:28] <H_MrSun> the gallium thingie? :)[22:27:40] <H_MrSun> that would give us alot of attention =) but tty is nice to :)[22:27:42] *** martinhpedersen_ has joined #haiku[22:27:44] <duaneb> I was actually looking at nouveau[22:27:51] <duaneb> but I'm not sure how easy that might be[22:27:59] <duaneb> http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/[22:28:10] <duaneb> I also need to see how linux-specific the drivers are[22:28:56] <H_MrSun> imo, if you are looking into graphics so we get 3d graphics then help with the gallium stuff =)[22:29:08] <H_MrSun> as the gallium nvidia driver supposedly is working 3d accel now =)[22:29:11] <duaneb> ok[22:29:12] <duaneb> I mean[22:29:19] <duaneb> I've just never heard of gallium before :P[22:29:26] <H_MrSun> look it up :)[22:29:30] <duaneb> I'm worried that I may bite off more than I can chew[22:29:33] <H_MrSun> aljen has done alot of work on it =)[22:29:40] <duaneb> I suspect porting drivers will be easy[22:29:41] <H_MrSun> if you can get hold of him[22:29:44] <bradsco> duaneb: it's been done for AROS, I have gallium3d running on a geforce 6800 on another machine[22:29:59] <duaneb> I'm not sure about 3d[22:30:01] <H_MrSun> IT COMPIIILES[22:30:31] <duaneb> OH, gallium is done by vmware[22:30:55] <leszek> you didn't knew that ? they acquired tunksten graphics quite some time ago[22:31:03] <duaneb> I've never heard of the project before[22:31:12] <duaneb> To be honest, I've been kind of cut off from haiku for like[22:31:14] <duaneb> the past two years[22:31:15] <duaneb> or so[22:31:53] *** __goo__ has quit IRC[22:34:50] <duaneb> yea, honestly, the TTY project just looks really easy[22:34:59] <duaneb> but I'll look into gallium[22:35:01] <bradsco> It would give Haiku a lot of attention I agree, and it's my understanding the guy who did it for AROS had no previous experience with drivers or 3d stuff[22:35:10] <duaneb> I'm not really interested in hacking GPU assembly[22:35:22] <duaneb> Well, I am, but I'm not interested in a project depending on it[22:37:10] <duaneb> ok[22:37:12] <duaneb> well, then[22:37:16] <duaneb> I will plan on doing that[22:37:19] <duaneb> that should be.... fun[22:37:28] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[22:39:30] <stargater> mmadia, here found more http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/tests/kits/interface/layout[22:39:30] *** leszek has quit IRC[22:39:40] *** killermouse0 has quit IRC[22:40:06] <stargater> this is good for understand the layout managment[22:40:43] *** darthsitius has joined #haiku[22:40:55] *** romulo has left #haiku[22:41:26] *** Ingenu_ has joined #haiku[22:44:10] <H_MrSun> thats it for today[22:44:25] <H_MrSun> like 3 files converted to C and then to D in a single day, a good days work at this rate i will be done by 2020[22:44:41] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[22:44:43] *** Ingenu_ is now known as Ingenu[22:47:03] <H_MrSun> hopefully there is some files with real small classes in :P[22:48:47] <kirilla> H_MrSun: what if you would simply (heh) rewrite the kits entirely in D?[22:49:05] <H_MrSun> kirilla, nah .... wouldnt even try to do that ;P[22:49:12] <H_MrSun> hard enough work to bind the damnt hings[22:49:21] <H_MrSun> hopefully these bindings will be of use for other languages later also[22:49:26] <H_MrSun> bringing more stuff for us =)[22:49:34] <kirilla> that'd be nice[22:49:55] <H_MrSun> so not doing any D specefic names or anything in the bindings for them to be general purpose =)[22:51:05] <kirilla> there is supposedly some tool to automate the creation of C bindings, iirc[22:51:08] <kirilla> swig?[22:51:20] <kirilla> I don't know much about it[22:51:54] <DraX> swig is pretty awful[22:51:57] <DraX> like the output is insane[22:52:06] <DraX> and it requires considerably more work than it should[22:52:38] <DraX> gtk has a really nice generator, but it's specifically designed for gobject apis[22:52:55] <DraX> jcc is pretty cool but it's java<->python[22:53:40] <DraX> well actually java->python[22:54:12] *** flameshadow has quit IRC[22:58:31] <MrSunshine> yeah a generator would be nice, but swig is a pita etc =)[22:58:38] <MrSunshine> like DraX said =)[22:59:31] <DraX> the hacker in me that likes to do more work so that i don't have to do other work, wonders if you could use Clang to parse the header files and generate bindings with that[23:01:33] *** l_n has joined #haiku[23:02:10] *** nickfromdc has joined #haiku[23:02:23] *** S_2010 has quit IRC[23:02:30] *** flameshadow has joined #haiku[23:07:45] <Kokito> http://sourceforge.net/projects/beradiant/[23:08:02] <kirilla> Haiku with llvm, a non-gnu libc and our own browser, for R1, wouldn't that be a declaration of independence![23:08:05] <duaneb> someone forgked haiku? :O[23:08:17] <duaneb> forked*[23:08:38] <Kokito> forked and died :)[23:08:45] <duaneb> nice[23:08:52] <MrSunshine> i dont get it why people fork realy :)[23:08:55] <helf> I don't think that was really a fork, was it?[23:08:56] <MrSunshine> haiku is activly developed[23:09:11] <helf> just a "distribution" which is different than an actual fork[23:09:16] <kirilla> in 2007...[23:09:45] <duaneb> are there plans to switch to clang when its c++ support picks up a little bit? :D[23:09:47] <duaneb> I mean[23:09:49] <duaneb> iirc[23:09:51] <Kokito> yes, you are right MrSunshine, it was supposed to be distro[23:10:00] <duaneb> Haiku doesn't really use a lot of esoteric code styles[23:10:11] <DraX> given our gcc2 requirements clang may well be able to compile haiku's c++[23:10:59] <DraX> clang++ is actually pretty far along these days[23:11:04] <duaneb> well[23:11:20] <Kokito> there is also Haiku-es! :P[23:11:21] <duaneb> if by "pretty far along" you mean self compiles[23:11:29] <Kokito> http://sourceforge.net/projects/haiku-es/[23:11:32] <duaneb> that's a long, long way from complete C++ :P[23:11:44] * duaneb wants to shoot C++ in the face[23:11:59] <DraX> duaneb: clang actually has almost ocmplete c++ support, the problem is it's still broken in some areas[23:12:11] <martinhpedersen_> Hmm.. trying to upload a file to haikuware... I've uploaded 12MB according to ifconfig, but the file is only 7,2MB. Using BeZillaBrowser. Could it be something wrong with haikuware after they changes server?:/[23:12:18] <DraX> ``Clang currently implements nearly all of the ISO C++ 1998 standard (including the defects addressed in the ISO C++ 2003 standard), with the few notable exceptions listed below. However, the implementation of Clang C++ is still quite immature, with many remaining bugs that are likely to cause compiler crashes, erroneous errors and warnings, and miscompiled code.''[23:12:21] <duaneb> Drax: I know, my point was... those areas are actually massive.[23:12:30] <duaneb> it's the corner cases that kill you.[23:12:31] <martinhpedersen_> changed*[23:12:43] <duaneb> It also needs to support all of GCC's bugs, for example[23:13:00] <DraX> it doesn't need to support all of them[23:13:03] <DraX> just enough to mostly work[23:13:06] <DraX> which is what they're doing[23:13:12] <Kokito> funny, the screenshot of haiku-es distro has at least two typos :)[23:13:26] <DraX> they're not supporting gcc bugs in places where gcc heinously violates the standards[23:13:34] <DraX> unless it's absolutetly necessary[23:13:36] <duaneb> I suppose[23:13:52] <Kokito> martinhpedersen_, that sounds very strange...[23:14:05] <Kokito> gotta go guys[23:14:10] <Kokito> cu tomorrow![23:14:12] *** Kokito has quit IRC[23:14:31] <kirilla> bbl[23:14:34] *** kirilla has quit IRC[23:14:52] <duaneb> Ok, I think I'll try for the gallium 3d thing[23:14:55] <duaneb> should be fun[23:15:00] <duaneb> the problem is finding a test rig[23:15:34] <DraX> i think one of the basic gallium 3d drivers is vmware[23:16:23] <duaneb> ok[23:16:41] <duaneb> I mean, it actually just looks like a straightforward customize-kernel-interactions port[23:16:59] <duaneb> I'm just unfamiliar with Haiku's method of handling drivers :P[23:17:08] <DraX> you probably need to port dr{i,m}[23:18:55] <DraX> ahh, so you can use softpipe for a driver (which is just software executed gl)[23:19:16] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[23:19:56] * duaneb looks up softpipe[23:20:08] <duaneb> ah[23:20:08] <duaneb> nice[23:20:19] <duaneb> ok, reference driver[23:20:26] <duaneb> are there hardware drivers for gallium?[23:20:32] <duaneb> I have a few nvidia cards lying around[23:20:34] <duaneb> three, in fat[23:21:09] <DraX> i think nouveau may run on gallium[23:22:55] *** PasNox has quit IRC[23:23:06] <duaneb> they're moving to gallium[23:23:22] * duaneb needs to brush up on the haiku kernel[23:23:44] <DraX> the problem is gallium news is all old[23:23:49] <DraX> but not _really_ old[23:24:00] <DraX> so it's hard to tell if it's still valid or not[23:24:19] *** Hugen has quit IRC[23:24:21] *** [Nies] has quit IRC[23:27:55] <bradsco> duaneb: I've got a fair collection of nvidia cards it you need testing help[23:28:19] <duaneb> bradsco: I'm not even sure I'll get accepted into the google summer of code program[23:29:55] <bradsco> just throwing it out there, I've extremely keen to see hardware 3d in haiku :)[23:33:34] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[23:35:06] <duaneb> hehe ok[23:35:18] <duaneb> man, it's been a while since I've done kernel work[23:35:26] <duaneb> lemme see if I can dig up my old kernel[23:36:31] *** S_2010 has joined #haiku[23:41:09] *** S_2010 has left #haiku[23:41:11] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[23:41:34] *** Ingenu has quit IRC