[00:00:02] * PieterPan is about to have his first WebPositive built. I finally just followed the instructions, and it seems to be compiling all of it so far...
[00:00:58] <DraX> :)
[00:01:11] <DraX> and of course you're compiling it so you can hack on awesome new features? ;)
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[00:02:44] <PieterPan> ehm, yes... no ;) I need to finish my Master's thesis first, but I was just seeing if I could try out the latest version
[00:02:53] <PieterPan> When I do finish, I will probably pick up the Devices application again
[00:03:20] <mmadia> when's your thesis due, PieterPan?
[00:03:55] <PieterPan> I want to be done beginning of May
[00:04:14] <PieterPan> If I can iron out some of the bugs in my trajectory integrations :-P
[00:04:53] * PieterPan cheers for WebPositive, it really starts quickly
[00:05:08] <PieterPan> Compared to Firefox (after it has already been started once) on linux..., wow
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[00:07:43] <MrSunshine> largo, marvell_yukon updated to latest rev from freebsd
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[00:11:03] <PieterPan> I'm off, have a nice <morning/day/evening/night>
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[00:31:58] <CIA-50> stippi * r300 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebCoreSupport/ (FrameLoaderClientHaiku.cpp FrameLoaderClientHaiku.h):
[00:31:58] <CIA-50> Make BWebPage accessible. Will be needed in code that needs to get to it
[00:31:58] <CIA-50> from within WebCore. (The Qt port does it like that, though perhaps I can find
[00:31:58] <CIA-50> it better solution, as it's a layering violation.)
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[00:33:17] <CIA-50> stippi * r301 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/ (7 files in 2 dirs):
[00:33:17] <CIA-50> Some work towards a persistent cookie jar implementation. Since it will be
[00:33:17] <CIA-50> browser specific, there needs to be a way to influence the cookie jar behavior
[00:33:17] <CIA-50> from within the browser. Nothing is wired, yet.
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[01:01:22] <mmadia> anyone have a link to HTA?
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[01:05:07] <DraX> http://hta.haikuzone.net ?
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[01:23:31] <DraX> weeee
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[01:29:53] <mmu_man> rejoice:
[01:29:54] <mmu_man> [Freedos-devel] Edlin 2.13 is out!
[01:29:57] <mmu_man> :D
[01:36:01] <oco> mmu_man : please no editor troll here ;-)
[01:37:23] <oco> mmu_man : one more application to port on your TODO list ;-)
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[01:45:20] <mmu_man> lol
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[02:16:00] <mvfranz> had another out of memory panic today
[02:16:16] <mvfranz> anyone else experience this lately?
[02:16:19] * JonathanThompson remembers mvfranz's out of memory panic in a panic
[02:16:38] <mmadia> you should try kava-kava or a selenium supplement ;)
[02:17:06] <DraX> :)
[02:17:07] <mvfranz> :)
[02:17:13] <DraX> yay, wrote my first chrome extension
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[02:17:35] <mmadia> but no, i normally get "Bad Address" or "Permission denied" errors. :|
[02:18:21] <OmniMancer> I have had gcc crash when trying to link debug versions of things...
[02:18:30] <mvfranz> I updated my trac with the back trace from today
[02:18:36] <OmniMancer> also who works on stuff like signals and posix compliance?
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[02:19:34] <mmadia> OmniMancer : it varies... i don't think there's a single person who claims it as their territory.
[02:20:02] <JonathanThompson> There's not a signal person that works on it :p
[02:20:22] <OmniMancer> :P
[02:20:35] <OmniMancer> I just want to know when siginfo_t will actually be working...
[02:20:37] <mvfranz> JonathanThompson is in a good mood today
[02:21:01] <JonathanThompson> I'm almost always in a mood for puns.
[02:21:57] <JonathanThompson> Being awake is NOT a requirement for me to do puns.
[02:22:07] <OmniMancer> :P
[02:22:19] <OmniMancer> who does kernelly things?
[02:22:19] <JonathanThompson> (I'm not kidding about that claim, either!)
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[02:22:36] <JonathanThompson> Probably someone that doesn't go general programming.
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[02:22:59] <mmadia> OmniMancer : Axel mostly and Ingo a bit.
[02:23:18] <OmniMancer> can they be compelled to finish signals
[02:23:18] <OmniMancer> ?
[02:23:47] <mmadia> what needs finishing  and is there a ticket for it?
[02:23:51] <JonathanThompson> Lock them in a basement that's comfortable enough and bribe them with their favorite drinks and pizza until done :p
[02:23:57] <CK|Haiku> Sup #haiku, I am running nightly r35752 and I am wondering if there is any way to have an app run at startup, like NetworkStatus or LaunchBox.
[02:24:21] <JonathanThompson> Equip them with t-shirts that say "Will code for food!"
[02:24:30] <OmniMancer> BTW is there any chance for vision to have its nick length increased?
[02:24:45] <JonathanThompson> The code is open: change it yourself if desired.
[02:24:54] <mmadia> OmniMancer : AnEvilYak would appreciate a patch :)
[02:25:01] <mmadia> CK|Haiku : /boot/home/config/boot
[02:25:01] <OmniMancer> JT: I would probably destroy the whole OS
[02:25:15] <JonathanThompson> I don't think you're nearly that competent ;)
[02:25:19] <mmadia> either UserBootScript  or drop a symlink in the launch/ folder.
[02:25:20] <OmniMancer> also aren't those both replicants of some nature?
[02:25:47] <OmniMancer> JT: I can code C++ I am just not experienced in kernel development :P
[02:26:03] <OmniMancer> or the use or implementation of signals
[02:26:06] <JonathanThompson> Well, for Vision, that's what I'm referring to.
[02:26:14] <OmniMancer> oh okay
[02:26:25] <JonathanThompson> There's exactly zero kernel programming in Vision.
[02:26:39] <OmniMancer> forgot I asked that I thought you wanted me to fix the problem I have with signals :P
[02:26:49] <CK|Haiku> mmadia: Thanks. =)
[02:26:51] <DraX> OmniMancer: what problem do you have with signals?
[02:27:03] <OmniMancer> mmadia: the issue is that they haven't done something so siginfo_t is commented out...
[02:27:12] <JonathanThompson> That's why you're not doing kernel programming: you'd forget vital small details like that and destroy the OS :D
[02:27:25] <OmniMancer> :P
[02:27:39] <CK|Haiku> mmadia: So just throw a link in the /boot/home/config/boot/launch folder?
[02:27:43] <DraX> OmniMancer: bug?
[02:27:51] <OmniMancer> forget the important do_not_destroy_OS(); call at every second line :P
[02:27:57] <Disreali> CK|Haiku, yes
[02:28:00] <DraX> what is the thing they haven't done?
[02:28:04] <JonathanThompson> No, that's every line :)
[02:28:05] <mmadia> i'd assume so, CK|Haiku.  being a script kiddie, i prefer UserBootScript.
[02:28:19] <OmniMancer> DraX: well the comment near it says something about real time signal support
[02:28:42] <OmniMancer> but do you agree that siginfo_t is something that should probably be there for posix compatability
[02:28:59] <DraX> yeah, probably
[02:29:03] <OmniMancer> doesn't network status have a deskbar mode
[02:29:10] <OmniMancer> and isn't launch box a replicant?
[02:29:18] <Disreali> yes to both
[02:29:35] <CK|Haiku> OmniMancer: NetworkStatus has deskbar, but after rebooting, it's not in the deskbar anymore
[02:29:47] <CK|Haiku> This could be due to the fact I am booting via a USB flash
[02:29:52] <CK|Haiku> idk
[02:29:54] <OmniMancer> ah
[02:29:57] <OmniMancer> maybe
[02:29:58] <Disreali> CK|Haiku, what revision
[02:30:13] <CK|Haiku> 35752
[02:30:55] <CK|Haiku> Other than that, I am very suprised on how well Haiku runs
[02:31:11] <CK|Haiku> if sound gets working on my laptop, I'd consider installing to my HDD
[02:31:17] <Disreali> maybe try a newer rev and see if it still does that
[02:31:21] <CK|Haiku> Okay
[02:32:05] <DraX> OmniMancer: i assume you're trying to port something that has a backtrace handler?
[02:32:21] <Disreali> if it does, you can open a trac ticket at http://dev.haiku-os.org
[02:32:26] <mmadia> Disreali : hola.   tomorrow i'll look at adding a GSoC link on the front page.
[02:32:28] <CK|Haiku> Also, I have an Intel HD Audio, which is detected by Hakiu, but when I set it as default, I can stop the media server, and start it, but MediaPlayer crashes and no sound still
[02:32:47] <Disreali> mmadia, ok
[02:37:06] <Disreali> mmadia, I just found a link on the yellow bar. it is not very noticable. Big google logo below the would be more noticable.
[02:37:35] <Disreali> though, I don't know it that is possible
[02:37:48] <mmadia> I may add it to the upcoming events  or possibly below it.
[02:38:07] <Disreali> that would be cool
[02:38:44] <l_n> i'm aggravated.. i updated and my eee 1000 locks before launching deskbar and tracker (bootsplash is still on the screen)
[02:38:47] <DraX> i'm not totally clear what realtime signal support has to do with supporitng sa_sigaction
[02:38:51] <DraX> err sa_siginfo
[02:38:55] <l_n> luckily, i only wrote it to an sd card to update the ssd's
[02:39:41] <Disreali> o_O?
[02:40:17] * Disreali is away: food
[02:40:31] <l_n> oh! i have brownies in the oven
[02:40:40] * l_n wanders off to check his brownies.
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[02:41:05] <CyberKitsune> The irony
[02:41:17] <CyberKitsune> I was looking at a picture of a Haiku crash on the wiki
[02:41:22] <CyberKitsune> and I got a haiku crash
[02:41:26] <CyberKitsune> at that same moment
[02:41:48] <CyberKitsune> (Something about my GPU, the desktop drew over it though
[02:42:31] <mmadia> ahh, appserver crash.. probably with event_loop or event_thread.
[02:43:18] <l_n> ugh.. the brownies are almost done.. they must now cool until fit for human consumption.. i hate waiting for brownies.
[02:44:49] <largo> I'm looking through the trac for previous reports of this but figure it can't hurt to ask while I look....  does anyone know if it's a bug that the icons on the desktop keep moving on top of each other when I reboot? for instance I'll reboot and the trash icon will have moved precisely on top of one of my mounted drives' icons. it seems like a bug to me...
[02:45:14] <l_n> is it the trash that moved or the mounted volume?
[02:45:27] <Disreali> mmadia, here is a 2010 gsoc logo if you want http://code.google.com/images/2010soclogo.jpg
[02:45:53] <l_n> hrm.. i need svn to nuke a file, but it only restores it.
[02:45:58] <largo> l_n: I think the mounted drive icon. I think I kept putting the trash as the 3rd icon and the mounted drive icon would appear under it.
[02:46:11] <largo> I'd have to go back and do some testing to see.
[02:46:23] <mmadia> largo : is Tracker shutting down properly before rebooting?
[02:46:27] <DraX> hmm
[02:46:45] <DraX> OmniMancer: looks like (struct sigaction).sa_sigaction  isn't implemented at all..
[02:46:57] <CyberKitsune> How well does Haiku play with a SLI-Enabled Dual GPUs?
[02:46:57] <l_n> largo: also, i've noticed that occasionally the mounted icons will shift
[02:47:06] <largo> mmadia: I'll go test it out and see if I can get more detailed answers. :)
[02:47:08] <OmniMancer> sigh
[02:47:18] <l_n> CyberKitsune: try it and see?
[02:47:21] <OmniMancer> DraX:  you changed topic
[02:47:25] <OmniMancer> its siginfo_t
[02:47:27] <CyberKitsune> l_n, Good Point
[02:47:30] <OmniMancer> its defined in the header
[02:47:35] <DraX> yes, but this is related
[02:47:38] <OmniMancer> but is in an #if 0..... #endif
[02:47:43] <DraX> siginfo is passed to the sa_sigaction handler
[02:47:45] * CyberKitsune is using VMWare Player to install newer Haiku on his USB
[02:47:54] <DraX> so the reason it's ifdef'd out is because the actual support for it is unimplemented
[02:48:01] <OmniMancer> I don't absolutely need it but want falcon to compile on haiku
[02:48:31] <DraX> i kind of grok what's going on here
[02:48:31] <OmniMancer> also why is it unimplemented?
[02:48:35] <OmniMancer> it should be implemented
[02:49:19] <OmniMancer> effectively I don't need it its just reflection of signals to the scripts is being added for posix systems and unless I force cmake to exclude it on haiku it fails because of no siginfo_t
[02:50:14] <DraX> actually it looks like sa_handler isn't properly implemented either unless it's a default
[02:50:54] <OmniMancer> not only that but several of falcons MT samples crash instead of giving errors
[02:51:26] <CyberKitsune> How often are the nightlies built?
[02:51:32] <DraX> it should be trivial to add support for sa_handler and sa_sigaction .. maybe
[02:51:33] <OmniMancer> every night
[02:51:34] <CyberKitsune> I want to try the latest rev
[02:51:36] <CyberKitsune> ojh
[02:51:37] <CyberKitsune> oh*
[02:51:41] <OmniMancer> that's why its nightlies
[02:51:57] <l_n> OmniMancer: damnit. i was going to, but decided i wasn't going to be a smartass.
[02:52:02] <CyberKitsune> In that case, is it easy to compile Hakiu on Ubuntu/Win7?
[02:52:22] <OmniMancer> ubuntu yes sorta win7 don't waste your time
[02:52:32] <DraX> OmniMancer: is there a bug about lacking signal support?
[02:53:11] <OmniMancer> don't know
[02:53:20] <CyberKitsune> Wait, OmniMancer, which would be better, building Hakiu in an older rev of Hakiu in VirtualBox, on on Ubuntu?
[02:53:31] <OmniMancer> if there isn't I shall send hate mail :P (read file a bug)
[02:53:45] <OmniMancer> depends
[02:53:56] <OmniMancer> I think its supposed to be faster on linux
[02:54:03] <CyberKitsune> Got it
[02:54:05] <OmniMancer> and I have never done it so talk to mmadia
[02:54:09] <CyberKitsune> Rebooting (Again)
[02:54:09] <CyberKitsune> brb
[02:54:11] <OmniMancer> and I think it works on either
[02:54:12] <OmniMancer> :(
[02:54:18] <l_n> i build haiku within haiku
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[02:54:49] <l_n> it takes a few hours to build a full, usable image on an intel atom 1.6GHz proc, 2G ram
[02:55:15] <OmniMancer> last time I build llvm it started taking hours :P
[02:55:17] <l_n> but, using haiku to build haiku, you don't have to simulate the file attributes.
[02:55:42] <OmniMancer> yay
[02:55:48] <OmniMancer> but it takes longer
[02:55:50] <l_n> i can't use linux to build haiku anymore, anyways.. i overwrote linux with haiku :P
[02:56:00] <OmniMancer> :P
[02:56:10] <OmniMancer> I am about to obliterate linux on my haiku box
[02:56:27] * l_n has become a haiku zealot. :)
[02:56:34] <OmniMancer> make the temp install partition take up the whole of the first part of the disk so I don't have to worry about nightlies getting bigger
[02:57:28] <l_n> i use a 1G sd card to install basically a duplicate of my base install, and then change the installation target and re-run jam -q install-haiku
[02:58:06] <l_n> if i weren't so lazy, i'd change UserBuildConfig to setup an @sd-card target and @real-install target
[02:58:14] <OmniMancer> I install from nightlies by chucking them onto a separate partition :P
[02:58:18] <OmniMancer> saves CDs
[02:58:35] <l_n> i need broadcom43xx support.. and up until recently, that wasn't avail. via nightlies.
[02:58:42] <OmniMancer> ah
[02:58:45] <OmniMancer> it is now?
[03:00:51] <mmadia> the driver & a firmware installer script is.
[03:01:38] <mmadia> i also made an optional package that downloads the files that the installer script normally would -- that's for people willing to build their own images.
[03:03:06] <l_n> my 1.33333 yr old son just inhaled a brownie. i'm so proud.
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[03:03:47] <Disreali> inhaled = ate or choked on ?
[03:03:50] <l_n> ate
[03:03:54] <l_n> very quickly
[03:03:58] <Disreali> ;)
[03:04:21] <l_n> wow.. i just accidentally discovered a feature of Vision
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[03:04:45] <Disreali> I inhaled a brownie recently. it was not a pleasant experience
[03:04:47] <l_n> right click on the topic line at the bottom and all links pop up in a context menu.
[03:04:59] <l_n> Disreali: choked on or ate quickly?
[03:05:09] <Disreali> choked on
[03:05:29] <l_n> that still can't ruin brownies. nothing ever could.
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[03:05:41] <l_n> they are the best food.. esp. with an all-edges pan.
[03:05:57] <l_n> the one i have has 3 troughs that makes 6 pieces with 3 edges apiece.
[03:05:59] <Disreali> all-edges pan?
[03:06:08] <Disreali> ah
[03:06:09] <mmadia> .. like the infomercial?
[03:06:33] <l_n> mmadia: not the single trough one on thinkgeek.com.. mine has three separate troughs.
[03:06:37] <Disreali> i need beer
[03:06:42] <l_n> and, no, it's not the Perfect Brownie pan thingy.
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[03:11:42] <mmadia> that's the one i was thinking of :)
[03:12:19] <l_n> damnit.. i've gotta remove my src tree.
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[03:19:24] <Disreali> anyone here use vmware server?
[03:19:25] <OmniMancer1> :(
[03:19:30] <OmniMancer1> why?
[03:20:46] <Disreali> I'm curious if it is worthwhile installing
[03:21:26] <OmniMancer1> well I have used it before because you can get it for free for personal use
[03:21:42] <Disreali> yeah, that is why I ask
[03:22:13] <OmniMancer1> it works about as well as virtual box
[03:22:29] <Disreali> I was using VirtualBox back when VMServer was still not free
[03:22:38] <Disreali> ok
[03:22:42] <OmniMancer1> I think one of the things in vmware that I miss in VBox is the ability to split the hdd into 2GB files
[03:22:47] <Disreali> thanks for the insight
[03:22:48] <OmniMancer1> when was that Disreali?
[03:23:27] <Disreali> iirc a couple years back, though I may be confusing it with another product
[03:24:07] <OmniMancer1> well it has been free for personal use for atleast 4 years
[03:24:35] <Disreali> then maybe I'm thinking of something else
[03:24:58] <OmniMancer1> not sure how well they advertise it
[03:25:02] <OmniMancer1> I like vbox though
[03:25:11] <OmniMancer1> just wish they would add the hdd file splitting
[03:25:35] <Disreali> how is spitting the vhdd into multiple 2gb file helpful?
[03:25:59] <OmniMancer1> firstly if you want to keep it on a fat32 partition it works
[03:26:08] <Disreali> ah
[03:26:24] <OmniMancer1> also it probably helps keep the overhead on some things down
[03:26:30] <OmniMancer1> but that one was the annoying one for me
[03:27:26] <Disreali> forgot about that limitation on fat32. I've been on ntfs or various *nix fs's for to long
[03:27:58] <Disreali> I should try pc-bsd next
[03:28:11] <OmniMancer1> :P
[03:28:16] <OmniMancer1> what is pc-bsd?
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[03:29:19] <Disreali> a desktop orientated ddistro bast on freebsd
[03:29:32] <Disreali> based
[03:29:44] <CyberKitsune> Okay So I got Ubuntu 9.10 working
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[03:29:56] <CyberKitsune> And good guide on compiling the SVN
[03:30:20] <Disreali> http://haiku-os.org/guides
[03:30:30] <l_n> desktop-oriented and bsd don't usually go well together...
[03:30:57] <l_n> (even though i do like fbsd on desktop if i need full unix capabilities.)
[03:31:12] <Disreali> l_n, indeed. Which is why I did not keep fbsd 6 on my system
[03:31:15] * mmadia cheers for /guides
[03:31:44] <l_n> (+ guides 1)
[03:31:49] <Disreali> mmadia, wasn't there a help bot on this channel awhile  back?
[03:32:09] <l_n> he became sentient and assumed the name mmadia
[03:32:12] <mmadia> EvilRobotSanta was kicked ....
[03:32:28] <Disreali> that was a person
[03:32:50] <Disreali> or am I thinking of someone else
[03:32:57] <mmadia> I never taught him to reply to people via /msg and marcus got annoyed :)
[03:33:11] <Disreali> ok
[03:33:24] <mmadia> AnEvilYak maybe?
[03:33:34] <Disreali> hehehe
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[03:34:19] <Kokito> GSoC 2010 flier: http://haikuzone.net/files/temp/2010-03-08_gsoc2010-haiku-flyer.png (please let me know if you find any inacurracies)
[03:34:22] <l_n> mmadia is the ai singularity
[03:34:28] * Disreali takes away EvilRobotSanta's sake
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[03:34:50] <mmadia> damn, i thought i registered that nick.
[03:36:01] <martinhpedersen> Nice, Kokito :)
[03:36:27] * martinhpedersen is idle: sleeping
[03:37:20] <Disreali> mmadia, register it then
[03:37:35] <Disreali> Kokito, looks good
[03:38:02] <l_n> there's a googlefs driver in /trunk ? wow.
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[03:38:26] <Phoenix_> Kokito: wow, nice I just got on to further getting info together so I could possibly apply as a student for GSOC this year
[03:39:06] <Disreali> l_n, one of the devs works(ed) for Google
[03:39:40] <Disreali> Phoenix_, welcome
[03:39:54] <Phoenix_> last year all the ideas for haiku looked too low level for me to feel comfortable with the level of risk
[03:40:29] <mmadia> Phoenix_ : you're more than welcome to submit your own project proposal.
[03:40:36] <Disreali> indeed
[03:40:36] <l_n> Disreali: ...and wasn't googlefs the usage of gmail storage in a way that violated google's terms?
[03:40:47] <Phoenix_> it looks like haiku has made a lot of progress in the last year
[03:40:52] <Disreali> l_n, no idea
[03:41:06] <Phoenix_> i ran BeOS back when it first came out on 386
[03:41:16] <Phoenix_> ported the Allegro game programming library to it
[03:41:46] <Phoenix_> i still have my install disks ;;
[03:41:51] <mmadia> on the 386?
[03:41:57] <Phoenix_> well, x86
[03:42:55] <Disreali> is Menu -> Preferences -> Shortcuts = spicykeys?
[03:43:01] <l_n> have any of you seen any movies with real plots/stories recently that were worth a damn?
[03:43:20] <Phoenix_> not sure if it required a pentium to run, i meant x86.
[03:43:24] <l_n> my wife usually wants to watch hollywood fluff and that means i watch hollywood fluff
[03:43:35] <Disreali> Men who stare at Goats
[03:43:45] <Phoenix_> l_n: i watch lots of movies, fluff and not fluff
[03:43:53] <Disreali> Hurt Locker
[03:44:02] <Phoenix_> yeah was about to say The Hurt Locker
[03:44:12] <Disreali> that was cool. definitely not fluff
[03:45:09] <l_n> i can't help but think Avatar is over-hyped... (a la Independence Day)
[03:45:43] <Disreali> yes and no
[03:46:10] <Disreali> it was definitly hyped, but I think that it was deserved
[03:46:43] <Disreali> ID4 was action fluff. Avatar has a deeper message
[03:47:06] <CyberKitsune> So, according to the guide, as I'm 64-bit Ubuntu, I will NOT have to use the  --use-32bit as this is now automatic, correct?
[03:47:10] <Phoenix_> it would never occur to me to mention id4 and avatar in the same sentence
[03:48:19] <mmadia> Correct, CyberKitsune.  *but if you want to build gcc2, you'll still need to `linux32` first.
[03:48:23] <Disreali> CyberKitsune, i think that is correct, but i've not kept up with building haiku. mmadia would know better
[03:48:58] <CyberKitsune> mmadia, Ah, so gcc2 is only if I want BeOS R5 compat, right?
[03:49:16] <CyberKitsune> would building in gcc2 have any losses compared to gcc4?
[03:49:31] <mmadia> partially.... a gcc2hybrid is the official release style.
[03:49:36] <Disreali> some newer apps need gcc4
[03:49:42] <mmadia> as such, you'll have the least amount of issues with it.
[03:50:17] <Disreali> grrr!!  qemu does not like the newest rev
[03:50:20] <CyberKitsune> So, you recommend --build-cross-tools
[03:50:22] <Phoenix_> is their a virtual machine that runs the latest haiku well?
[03:50:28] <mmadia> and from a performance aspect, there is no benefit from a gcc4-compiled Haiku over a gcc2-version.
[03:50:45] <CyberKitsune> So use gcc2?
[03:50:47] <CyberKitsune> okay
[03:50:54] <Disreali> Phoenix_, VirtualBox and VMWare
[03:51:01] <Kokito> Disreali, the newest rev consistently bombs during installation here
[03:51:12] <CyberKitsune> and any other config options would you recommend, mmadia?
[03:51:29] <Disreali> i've not had luck with qemu but other swear by it
[03:51:57] <l_n> CyberKitsune: configure --build-cross-tools --alternative-gcc-output-dir /path/to/generated/x86gcc4 --use-gcc-pipe
[03:52:17] <l_n> maybe --include-3rdparty --include-gpl-addons --include-patented-code if you want
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[03:52:39] <l_n> that's in generated/x86gcc2
[03:52:45] <CyberKitsune> Okay, but "/path/to/generated/x86gcc4"
[03:52:50] <CyberKitsune> Oh
[03:52:59] <AlienSoldier> l_n i can't beleive Up won over Fantastic Mr Fox
[03:53:25] <l_n> change x86gcc4 to x86gcc2 in when you run configure in generated/x86gcc4 and you can run jam in either directory and have either a gcc4hybrid or gcc2hybrid
[03:53:47] <l_n> AlienSoldier: i actually hadn't heard of Fantastic Mr Fox. whatis?
[03:53:59] <AlienSoldier> wes anserson animation movie
[03:54:03] <AlienSoldier> *anderson
[03:54:09] <AlienSoldier> stop motion
[03:54:18] <Disreali> what patented code is there in the haiku repo?
[03:54:32] <l_n> i think it's interesting how many people don't realize how messed up peter jackson's movies were before LotR
[03:54:39] <Disreali> i wanted Book of Kells to get the award
[03:54:42] <l_n> Disreali: antialiasing stuff
[03:54:55] <l_n> preferences -> display iirc
[03:54:55] <Disreali> l_n, ok, thanks
[03:54:57] <AlienSoldier> i have yet to see Kells yet
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[03:55:49] <l_n> kells looked like the most interesting animation style
[03:56:16] <Disreali> AlienSoldier, it has yet to be released in the US, iirc. it is out in Europe
[03:56:21] <CyberKitsune> l_n, So this generated folder is already present? (I am checking out the SVN at the moment)
[03:56:54] <Disreali> i saw some of kells online. link is gone now
[03:57:03] <l_n> CyberKitsune: no. mkdir -p /some/dir/generated/x86gcc{2,4}
[03:57:20] <AlienSoldier> in any case, fox was lot better than up
[03:57:23] <l_n> replace some/dir with where you want to put the generated objects
[03:58:01] <l_n> and run /path/to/haiku/svn/configure in x86gcc{2,4}
[03:58:15] <l_n> then jam -q -j<n> <build-target>
[03:58:32] <l_n> haiku-image builds the default image with additions from UserBuildConfig
[03:58:41] <mmadia> l_n , CyberKitsune  that's ../../../relative/path/to/haiku/configure <options>
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[03:58:51] <CyberKitsune> Okay.
[03:59:02] <l_n> mmadia: has to be relative, eh?
[03:59:56] <CyberKitsune> Wait, I has to be relative?
[03:59:57] <CyberKitsune> it*
[04:00:44] <CyberKitsune> also, jam -j<#> the number is the number of cores I have, correct?
[04:01:03] <mmadia> based on what i've been taught, yes (re: relative)
[04:01:14] <l_n> (or (+ 1 cores)) :P
[04:01:19] <mmadia> CyberKitsune : also, what filesystem are you building on?
[04:01:31] <l_n> oh, yeah.. the fs is rather important
[04:01:39] <CyberKitsune> mmadia, ext...4?
[04:01:40] <CyberKitsune> wait
[04:01:41] <CyberKitsune> no
[04:01:46] <CyberKitsune> I'm on wubi'd ubuntu
[04:01:47] <CyberKitsune> so
[04:01:54] <CyberKitsune> ext4 on an NTFS host
[04:02:02] <CyberKitsune> ...I think
[04:02:06] <CyberKitsune> let me check
[04:02:11] <mmadia> for Haiku's purposes, ext = ext2 = ext3 = ext4.
[04:02:53] <mmadia> in the case of ext, it's suggested to not use -j<N>.
[04:03:17] <mmadia> (as well as any other fs that doesn't meet Haiku's needs for xattr)
[04:03:19] <CyberKitsune> yes, ext4
[04:03:20] <CyberKitsune> Oh
[04:03:43] <CyberKitsune> k
[04:03:46] <mmadia> also, check the guides ... there's a note about "emulated attributes"
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[04:05:06] <CyberKitsune> So for the first build, I don't have to worry right?
[04:05:34] <mmadia> correct.
[04:06:23] <CyberKitsune> okay
[04:06:24] <CyberKitsune> so
[04:06:37] <mmadia> whenever you edit the code or update to a new revision, you'll need to rm -rf objects/ tmp/ attributes/
[04:06:43] <CyberKitsune> Checked out, Made generated/x86gcc2 and 4
[04:08:22] <CyberKitsune> so for my gcc4 hybrid I'll do
[04:08:23] <CyberKitsune> ./configure --build-cross-tools --alternative-gcc-output-dir /../generated/x86gcc4 --use-gcc-pipe --include-3rdparty --include-gpl-addons --include-patented-code
[04:08:29] <CyberKitsune> correct?
[04:08:36] <DraX> grr no OmniMancer
[04:09:07] <DraX> there is actually a patch for sigaction
[04:09:17] <CyberKitsune> using linux32, right?
[04:09:28] <DraX> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/1935
[04:10:59] <mmadia> linux32 ; cd generated/x86gcc2 ; ../../configure --use-gcc-pipe --build-cross-tools --alternative-gcc-output-dir ../x86gcc4 --include-gpl-addons --include-patented-code ; cd ../x86gcc4 ; ../../configure --use-gcc-pipe --build-cross-tools-gcc4 x86 --alternative-gcc-output-dir ../x86gcc2 --include-gpl-addons --include-patented-code ; jam -q @nightly-raw
[04:11:33] <CyberKitsune> can I do @nightly-vmware?
[04:11:37] <mmadia> sure.
[04:14:30] <CyberKitsune> Invalid argument: `../x86gcc4'
[04:14:35] <CyberKitsune> configure gave me that
[04:15:29] <mmadia> then the directories are different than i though.   haiku/generated/x86gcc2   haiku/generated/x86gcc4 is what i interpretted.
[04:15:59] <CyberKitsune> That is correct
[04:16:07] <CyberKitsune> The command looks correct
[04:16:34] <mmadia> configure --help may be of use. :)
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[04:18:44] <CyberKitsune> the help shows I'm doing the command right
[04:18:53] <CyberKitsune> I made the path absoulte and got this
[04:18:54] <CyberKitsune> Invalid argument: `/home/cyberkitsune/haiku/haiku/generated/x86gcc4'
[04:18:59] <CyberKitsune> the folder is there
[04:19:52] <mmadia> oooh   --build-cross-tools needs a relative path to /home/cyberkitsune/haiku/buildtools
[04:20:04] <CyberKitsune> I used a relitive in the begining
[04:20:20] <CyberKitsune> and it came out ../x86ggc4 invalid argument
[04:21:32] <mmadia>  linux32 ; cd generated/x86gcc2 ; ../../configure --use-gcc-pipe --build-cross-tools ../../../buildtools --alternative-gcc-output-dir ../x86gcc4 --include-gpl-addons --include-patented-code ; cd ../x86gcc4 ; ../../configure --use-gcc-pipe --build-cross-tools-gcc4 x86  ../../../buildtools --alternative-gcc-output-dir ../x86gcc2 --include-gpl-addons --include-patented-code ; jam -q @nightly-raw
[04:21:46] <CyberKitsune> unless it's realitive to the configure script and not the current dir\
[04:21:54] <l_n> mmadia: with that string of commands, he'll end up building a gcc4hybrid
[04:22:23] <mmadia> yeah.  i though that's what he wanted?
[04:22:59] <CyberKitsune> What would be more ideal, gcc2hybrid or gcc4?
[04:23:02] <l_n> i was under the assumption he was going to build a gcc2hybrid.. either way, he'll be able to bootstrap haiku from haiku afterwards
[04:23:05] <l_n> gcc2hybrid
[04:23:15] <CyberKitsune> so
[04:23:22] <l_n> so that the kernel and modules are gcc2 and extras are gcc4 (if so built)
[04:23:44] <l_n> it helps with beos/zeta compatibility
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[04:24:19] <CyberKitsune> cd generated/x86gcc4 ; ../../configure --use-gcc-pipe --build-cross-tools ../../../buildtools --alternative-gcc-output-dir ../x86gcc2 --include-gpl-addons --include-patented-code ; cd ../x86gcc2 ; ../../configure --use-gcc-pipe --build-cross-tools-gcc4 x86  ../../../buildtools --alternative-gcc-output-dir ../x86gcc4 --include-gpl-addons --include-patented-code ; jam -q @nightly-vmware
[04:24:26] <CyberKitsune> for gcc2hybrid?
[04:24:31] <mmadia> yup
[04:24:32] <CyberKitsune> I swaped the file dirs
[04:24:33] <CyberKitsune> k
[04:24:50] <mmadia> you need to swat the --build-cross-tools commands too.
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[04:25:18] <mmadia> "--build-cross-tools" = x86 gcc2.   "--build-cross-tools-gcc4 x86" = x86 gcc4
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[04:25:56] <l_n> this process is so much less confusing from within haiku
[04:26:00] <mmadia> (since x86 is the only arch that binary compatibility is being provided for, the arch 'x86' does not need to be specified)
[04:26:12] * l_n keeps a setup where he could build either hybrid at any point
[04:26:25] <CyberKitsune> Okay
[04:26:26] <mmadia> l_n : you should look at build-o-matic ;)
[04:26:27] <CyberKitsune> here I go
[04:26:39] <l_n> mmadia: build-o-matic? o_O
[04:26:45] <mmadia> though, it only runs on freebsd right now.
[04:27:02] <l_n> meh. i'm using haiku only on this machine.
[04:27:15] <mmadia> it's what i made to continually compile the source code for all possible archs & most jam targets.
[04:27:20] <l_n> fbsd had no support for the rt2860sta and wasn't going to add it..
[04:27:35] <l_n> (before i took out the ralink and inserted a broadcom in my netbook)
[04:27:50] <CyberKitsune> Building
[04:28:00] <mmadia> http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-commits/BOM-r35586-failed-BuildHaikuImage1-generatedjamtargetoutputfile
[04:28:01] <l_n> is that what's generating the nightlies?
[04:28:13] <CyberKitsune> So, how long would an average build take on an intel core2 2.4GHz?
[04:28:22] <mmadia> yes, that's another function of it.
[04:28:45] <l_n> CyberKitsune: ram quantity?
[04:28:57] <CyberKitsune> 4GB
[04:28:59] <CyberKitsune> :3
[04:29:03] <l_n> it'll take until it's done. :P
[04:29:07] <mmadia> CyberKitsune : since you need to build *both* cross tools... i'g wager over hour.
[04:29:15] <CyberKitsune> Okay
[04:29:29] <l_n> the cross tools go fast IIRC.. it's the system being built twice that takes time.
[04:29:43] <l_n> well, the libs anyways.
[04:29:44] <mmadia> though building the cross-tools is a once in a blue moon situation.
[04:30:15] <l_n> i still advocate building from within haiku for ease and stress testing
[04:30:55] <CyberKitsune> l_n, Well, I would, but my USB I have Haiku on is only 2GB
[04:31:36] <CyberKitsune> meaning, not enough space to hold in the source and builds possibly, and not to mention USB2 is much slower than an actual HDD
[04:31:38] <l_n> yeah.. my generated/ partition is 4G 1024bs no queries
[04:31:59] <l_n> src/ is 1.5G IIRC
[04:32:22] <CyberKitsune> Yeah
[04:32:32] <CyberKitsune> I wish I had a spare 16GB Flash
[04:32:39] <CyberKitsune> Otherwise
[04:32:47] <CyberKitsune> I'd be stuck to a VMWare box
[04:33:05] <CyberKitsune> Which would probablly be slower than building on Ubuntu
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[04:33:21] <l_n> it took me a week of running on an 8G flash drive to install to the ssd's in my computer
[04:33:46] <l_n> man.. svn is ridiculously slow.
[04:33:48] <CyberKitsune> Well
[04:34:01] <CyberKitsune> I am using Wubi for linux and not touching my HDD at all
[04:34:07] <CyberKitsune> because of one word
[04:34:09] <CyberKitsune> RAID.
[04:34:13] <CyberKitsune> It fucks everything up
[04:36:28] <CyberKitsune> I thought Ubuntu would figure out RAID just fine
[04:36:30] <CyberKitsune> but no
[04:36:46] <CyberKitsune> I have 6 Windows partitions and a FAT32 at the begining for no reason
[04:36:52] <l_n> Lubi seems like a retarded project.
[04:36:58] <|nfamy> Anyone know what the state of support for the intel gma950 is vs say a hd4330?
[04:37:19] <l_n> it installs linux into a disk image inside of a functional linux install
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[04:39:01] <CyberKitsune> don't know how to make @nightly-vmware
[04:39:03] <CyberKitsune> Damnit
[04:39:13] <CyberKitsune> What's the target for the VMWare image?
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[04:39:37] <mmadia> @nightly-vmware
[04:40:09] <mmadia> or @alpha-vmware ... the other targets are basic images.
[04:40:16] <CyberKitsune> /home/cyberkitsune/haiku/haiku/generated/x86gcc2/Jamfile: No such file or directory
[04:40:16] <CyberKitsune> don't know how to make @nightly-vmware
[04:40:16] <CyberKitsune> ...found 1 target(s)...
[04:40:16] <CyberKitsune> ...can't find 1 target(s)...
[04:40:18] <CyberKitsune> oh
[04:40:21] <|nfamy> what different between that and say @vmware-image
[04:40:59] <mmadia> @vmware-image implies it being a build profile rule in your UserBuildConfig.
[04:41:15] <CyberKitsune> Do I run jam in the ~/haiku/haiku dir or the generated/x86?gcc2
[04:41:16] <l_n> CyberKitsune: did you run configure inside generated/x86gcc2 ?
[04:41:32] <mmadia> the @nightly-* and @alpha-* are defined in build/jam/ReleaseBuildProfiles
[04:41:35] <l_n> in generated/x86gcc2
[04:41:40] <mmadia> a  jam --version would be good too.
[04:41:58] <|nfamy> @mmadia ahh k, that makes sense..
[04:42:03] <l_n> and iirc, you have to run ../../path/to/buildtools/jam
[04:42:56] <CyberKitsune> I have jam installed in my /usr/local/bin
[04:42:59] <CyberKitsune> which is in my PATH
[04:43:11] <mmadia> is it Haiku's jam or someone else's?
[04:43:13] <l_n> http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building/gcc-hybrid <-- have you read this?
[04:43:14] <CyberKitsune> Haiku's
[04:43:39] <CyberKitsune> oh I see
[04:44:10] <CyberKitsune> I used the x86 arg on the --build-cross-tools and it caught ../../buildtools as an invalid arg
[04:44:17] <CyberKitsune> Rerunning now
[04:44:48] <CyberKitsune> So I can't multithread?
[04:45:27] <l_n> you can.. when running configure, if you pass -j<n>, it'll give that arg to make while building the cross-compilers
[04:45:41] <mmadia> but that only works for gcc4.
[04:45:52] <CyberKitsune> So, ext4 doesn't matter for -j arg?
[04:46:10] <l_n> no.. ext4 determines whether you can use --use-xattr or not
[04:46:15] <mmadia> there's two commands that accept -jN
[04:46:32] <l_n> there are only a few unix fs's that support the attribute sizes necessary for building haiku
[04:46:32] <CyberKitsune> oh, okay
[04:46:40] <mmadia> configure:  any file system, but only when building gcc4 crosstools.
[04:47:04] <CyberKitsune> okay, I'm about to run jam in x86gcc2
[04:47:05] <mmadia> jam: only BFS, JFS, UFS2, and ReiserFS,  with either gcc.
[04:47:29] <CyberKitsune> jam -q -j2 @nightly-vmware for my dual core then?
[04:47:48] <mmadia> since you're on ext, no -jN.
[04:47:57] <CyberKitsune> oh, okay.
[04:47:59] <mmadia> *for jam.
[04:48:17] <CyberKitsune> Building now
[04:48:42] <CyberKitsune> patience is flooding my console
[04:48:45] <mmadia> ... it can cause subtle bugs that aren't detected as something equal to 'exit 1'.
[04:49:50] <CyberKitsune> so will -q get in the way?
[04:50:10] <mmadia> Phoenix_ : you could email haiku-development about an OpenGL proposal.   we do have a developer working on it.
[04:51:07] <mmadia> no.  -q is very important.  without it, jam will ignore errors and will continue building.
[04:51:27] <CyberKitsune> oh
[04:51:31] <CyberKitsune> well, I used
[04:51:44] <CyberKitsune> jam -q @nightly-vmware
[04:51:45] <CyberKitsune> so
[04:51:56] <CyberKitsune> Lets find something to do for an hour
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[05:01:29] <CyberKitsune> So in other news
[05:01:39] <CyberKitsune> Did we ever get Intel HD Audio working?
[05:01:51] <CyberKitsune> hey you know what
[05:02:05] <CyberKitsune> I could of just waited for the nightlies to build
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[05:05:23] <l_n> CyberKitsune: my eee has intel integrated vid/audio and both work well
[05:05:32] <l_n> can't remember the exact sound chip
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[05:06:46] <l_n> ich7 family hd audio
[05:07:09] <MrBIOS-hm> hey folks
[05:07:28] <l_n> hello.
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[05:08:10] <MrBIOS-hm> any crazies here ever work on getting Haiku running on classic old world macs? I know there's a very experimental 68k port
[05:08:42] <CyberKitsune> l_n, The rev I was using earlier, it detected two sound cards, HD Audio, and Intel HD Audio
[05:09:19] <CyberKitsune> Intel HD Audio had a messed up front panel, and when I selected it, MediaPlayer wouldn't play and MediaServer kept crashing etc
[05:09:27] <CyberKitsune> HD Audio had no sound
[05:09:46] <l_n> mine only has hd audio
[05:10:08] <CyberKitsune> =/
[05:10:09] <l_n> in the media prefpanel
[05:10:15] <CyberKitsune> Yeah, I have both
[05:12:18] <l_n> what about with listdev in a terminal?
[05:13:04] <CyberKitsune> Onesec, I will check using hardinfo
[05:17:33] <CyberKitsune> Audio Adapter	HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
[05:17:38] <CyberKitsune> Very discriptive
[05:17:40] <CyberKitsune> >.>
[05:18:51] <CyberKitsune> l_n, Ubuntu doesn't have a listdev
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[05:20:20] <CyberKitsune> l_n, NVM, here's what the card comes up as
[05:20:21] <CyberKitsune> Hardware Class: sound
[05:20:21] <CyberKitsune>   Model: "Intel 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller"
[05:20:21] <CyberKitsune>   Vendor: pci 0x8086 "Intel Corporation"
[05:20:21] <CyberKitsune>   Device: pci 0x284b "82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller"
[05:20:22] <CyberKitsune>   SubVendor: pci 0x1028 "Dell"
[05:21:12] <CyberKitsune> Oh wait ti's done compiling
[05:21:18] <CyberKitsune> That was fast
[05:23:35] <CyberKitsune> brb on windows
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[05:36:53] <DraX> mmadia: ping
[05:37:05] <mmadia> pong
[05:37:10] <l_n> hrm.. this box hasn't even finished 'svn co...haiku/trunk haiku'
[05:37:17] <DraX> mmadia: do you know any details about the ``Create C++ network stack class framework'' task?
[05:37:42] <CyberKitsune> l_n, Did you get my Sound Card info earlier?
[05:37:47] <mmadia> only what i mentioned.  we'll need to ping stippi in a few hours, as he briefly told me the idea
[05:38:25] <DraX> it sounds like services kit should be built on it
[05:38:45] <mmadia> from what I gather, it's replicating the functionality of cURL in Haiku API, this way we won't need cURL as a separate library.
[05:38:53] <DraX> right
[05:38:58] <DraX> which would be useful for services kit
[05:39:01] <DraX> among other things
[05:39:39] <mmadia> aahhh, i see.
[05:40:08] <DraX> and webkit if stippi were to want to drop using the curl network interface and write a custom BHttp one
[05:40:24] <mmadia> that's why i think  he suggested it :)
[05:40:25] <l_n> CyberKitsune: just now i did.
[05:41:12] <DraX> i've sort of been thinking lately that it'd be nice if BeAPI had stuff like qt does like an XML class and an http class
[05:43:28] <DraX> it's actually pretty impressive how much stuff like that qt has: sql, xml, network stuff
[05:43:53] <DraX> seems like it'd be nice to have some of that kind of stuff in a nice OO api
[05:47:06] <mmadia> yeah, quite a few of our devs like Qt.
[05:48:02] <mmadia> though they do recognize some of it's issues -- either message handling, threading, or something similar that doesn't gel with Haiku's model..... i'd need to dig up an old thread, which i'd rather not.
[05:48:04] <DraX> qt is a really really nice lib
[05:48:19] <DraX> yeah
[05:48:32] <DraX> it's not a replacement for beapi
[05:48:39] <DraX> but there is no sense in considering it evil or anything
[05:48:42] <MrBIOS-hm> qt just wraps lots of other libs
[05:48:54] <mmadia> well, at one point there was talk of making it a 1st rate citizen.
[05:48:58] <MrBIOS-hm> libxml2, etc.
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[05:49:11] <MrBIOS-hm> oh fuck off
[05:49:16] <mmadia> language.
[05:49:23] <MrBIOS-hm> yes, mother
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[05:49:40] <CyberKitsune> brb, rebooting into Haiku on my gaming laptop here
[05:49:45] <CyberKitsune> Cross your fingers
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[05:51:25] <mmadia> anyway ... for Post-R1, it would be interesting to resume the talks of Qt as a 1st rate citizen --- as something that is a native API and the generated binaries are indistinguishable to the end user.
[05:51:56] <DraX> that would be pretty neat, though messaging is an issue
[05:52:28] <DraX> and qt does have a more.. traditional threading model
[05:53:11] <codefest1> We invite you to be a  part of the Largest Online Coding festival in the Indian Subcontinent.[ http://itbhu.ac.in/codefest ] Sit right in front of your systems and take part in challenging and mind boggling competitions on application development, algorithm design etc. PS:Attractive Prizes.Adobe & BT certificates
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[05:53:33] <l_n> mmadia: you should report that ass to an IRCop
[05:53:38] * l_n forgot how.
[05:54:06] <mmadia> as of now, not worth the time  :)
[05:54:08] <l_n> to see the list of IRCops, that is.
[05:54:28] <l_n> getting spammers klined is always worth it :P
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[05:55:01] <CyberKitsune> Okay
[05:55:11] * l_n
[05:55:14] <CyberKitsune> Loving the newer cursors
[05:55:15] <DraX> it's a /stats i think
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[05:55:46] <CyberKitsune> Okay
[05:55:50] <DraX> maybe /stats O ...
[05:55:55] <CyberKitsune> Square button != Minimise
[05:57:09] <l_n> whatever gave you the idea that it was? double-click the titlebar. use deskbar to get the window back
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[06:00:36] <CyberKitsune> Wifi Is working perfectly
[06:00:53] <CyberKitsune> Don't know what network I'm connected to
[06:00:56] <CyberKitsune> but I'm on one
[06:01:07] <mmadia> one that isn't encrypted :)
[06:02:54] <DraX> :)
[06:03:47] <CyberKitsune> l_n: Sound doesn'y seem to be working still, Should I install OpenSound?
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[06:06:07] <DraX> need a freebsd audio compat layer too :)
[06:06:19] <CyberKitsune> Sorry, I lagged out
[06:06:25] <CyberKitsune> what was the last message I said?
[06:06:53] <DraX> <CyberKitsune> l_n: Sound doesn'y seem to be working still, Should I install
[06:06:53] <DraX>                OpenSound?  [21:08]
[06:07:02] <CyberKitsune> Oh
[06:07:04] <CyberKitsune> okay
[06:07:26] <CyberKitsune> So, HD Audio is displayed in Media
[06:07:43] <CyberKitsune> and when I click restart media server, my headphones make a popping noise
[06:07:58] <DraX> CyberKitsune: can you try with headphones not plugged in to play sound?
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[06:09:41] <CyberKitsune> Looks like this isn't my WiFi network I'm conected to =V
[06:09:46] <DraX> CyberKitsune: can you try with headphones not plugged in to play sound?
[06:10:08] <CyberKitsune> DraX: Just did, no sound either
[06:10:22] <CyberKitsune> My sound contols have a place for speakers, but no controls there
[06:10:29] <CyberKitsune> I'll take a screenshot
[06:10:50] <DraX> i wonder if it's related to pin configuration
[06:11:10] <DraX> on freebsd's hda driver you have to manually configure snd_hda's pin layout usually
[06:11:17] <DraX> i have
[06:11:18] <DraX> hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid25.config="as=1 seq=15"
[06:11:19] <DraX> hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid31.config="as=1 seq=0"
[06:11:29] <DraX> so that my headphones work when plugged in and my speakers when not
[06:11:33] <CyberKitsune> http://i45.tinypic.com/2irukw7.png
[06:11:33] <DraX> otherwise speakers don't ever work
[06:11:45] <CyberKitsune> Both headphones jack fail, as well as speakers
[06:11:59] <CyberKitsune> I'm using an Intel HDA on a Dell XPS m1730
[06:12:34] <DraX> it could be that your default pin configuration doesn't support sound at all
[06:12:56] <CyberKitsune> So I found a bug? =V
[06:13:03] <DraX> not necessairly
[06:13:19] <DraX> i don't actually know how haiku deals with the hda pin stuff at all
[06:13:21] <DraX> or if it does
[06:14:30] <CyberKitsune>  device Multimedia controller (Audio device) [4|3|0]
[06:14:30] <CyberKitsune>    vendor 8086: Intel Corporation
[06:14:31] <CyberKitsune>    device 284b: 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller
[06:14:38] <CyberKitsune> Is what listdev comes up with
[06:14:51] <DraX> that's not really helpful
[06:14:53] <CyberKitsune> and my Ubuntu results are up a ways
[06:15:01] <CyberKitsune> I posted it ealier
[06:15:30] <CyberKitsune> So, should I try OpenSound?
[06:15:38] <DraX> sure why not *shrug*
[06:16:02] <CyberKitsune> Also
[06:16:12] <CyberKitsune> Is there any way to check which WiFi AP I'm on?
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[06:17:14] <DraX> wificonfig can i think
[06:17:17] <DraX> err wlanconfig
[06:17:31] <DraX> wlanconfig show
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[06:19:21] <CyberKitsune> Okay So I installed OpenSound
[06:19:27] <CyberKitsune> and it detected an
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[06:19:34] <CyberKitsune> "Intel HD Audio
[06:19:36] <CyberKitsune> but
[06:19:46] <CyberKitsune> The contols are messed up
[06:19:52] * CyberKitsune screencaps
[06:20:41] <CyberKitsune> http://i46.tinypic.com/rh1owk.png
[06:21:34] <CyberKitsune> So I switch to it
[06:21:41] <CyberKitsune> and MediaServer stops
[06:21:44] <CyberKitsune> but doesn't start
[06:21:56] <CyberKitsune> I have MediaPlayer start it manually
[06:22:04] <CyberKitsune> and MediaPlayer doesn't even ply
[06:22:09] <CyberKitsune> play*
[06:22:52] <CIA-50> scottmc * r630 /haikuports/trunk/dev-db/sqlite/ (sqlite.OptionalPackageDescription sqlite-3.6.22.bep): Initial .bep file for sqlite
[06:23:08] <jmayfield_> hehe
[06:23:11] <jmayfield_> mn.. kids
[06:23:14] <jmayfield_> man
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[06:28:34] <CyberKitsune> Test
[06:28:39] <CK|iPod> Reply
[06:29:03] <CK|iPod> Okay so I can send but not receive
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[06:29:49] <CyberKitsune> So, No luck on Sound then, DraX?
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[06:41:16] <DraX> yay, haiku running in virtualbox again
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[07:22:22] <panopticon> what lines should i add to my grub-file in order to make it recognize Haiku?
[07:22:59] <OmniMancer> it does not recognise it
[07:23:09] <OmniMancer> it chainloads the partitio
[07:23:10] <OmniMancer> n
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[07:23:54] <panopticon> Haiku does not show up in the grub-menu during boot
[07:24:13] <OmniMancer> yes
[07:24:31] <OmniMancer> you must tell it about the menu option to chainload hiaku
[07:24:37] <OmniMancer> when spelled correctly :P
[07:24:56] <panopticon> ok, how do i do that...? pretty green on this
[07:25:33] <OmniMancer> well modern grub menu files seem to tell you not to edit them by hand
[07:25:43] <OmniMancer> but I tend to ignore such warnings :P
[07:25:59] <OmniMancer> anyway somewhere in /boot there will be a file called menu.lst
[07:27:35] <panopticon> yes?
[07:28:27] <DraX> anyone seen issues with haiku running in virtualbox 3.1.2?
[07:28:28] <OmniMancer> which partition is haiku on?
[07:28:34] <panopticon> i am not currently on my linux-box, so i'll have to take notes
[07:28:42] <panopticon> it's on sda2
[07:28:58] <OmniMancer> okay that to grub should be (0,1)
[07:29:18] <OmniMancer> what you need to do is,
[07:29:30] <OmniMancer> root (0,1)
[07:29:36] <OmniMancer> chainload +1
[07:29:38] <OmniMancer> boot
[07:30:01] <OmniMancer> observe the other entries to see how to label them and such
[07:30:20] <largo> on mine it was tricky.
[07:30:48] <largo> sda2 would be 0,2 for me I think...  (for Grub 1.9whatever...)
[07:31:07] <largo> (from Ubuntu 9.10)
[07:31:21] <panopticon> i think i should double check the exact position of the haiku-partition
[07:31:30] <largo> I can reboot quick and show you my entry if you'd like. :)
[07:31:36] <panopticon> yes! :)
[07:31:38] <mmadia> yeah, grub 2 is different.
[07:31:51] <largo> panopticon: do you know which version of GRUB you're using?
[07:32:03] <panopticon> 2/Ubuntu 9.10
[07:32:20] <largo> ok. let me go grab my menu. :) brb.
[07:32:23] <panopticon> OmniMancer: are you dual-booting between Haiku and another os?
[07:32:27] <panopticon> thanks largo
[07:32:41] <largo> (I'm triple booting Ubuntu 9.10, Win7, and Haiku)
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[07:39:23] <largo> still need the info? :)
[07:39:45] <DraX> ... running a configure script half the gcc runs are segfaulting
[07:39:45] <DraX> wtf
[07:39:46] <panopticon> yes
[07:39:54] <DraX> i think my virtualbox build is totally hosed
[07:40:01] <largo> menuentry "Haiku" {
[07:40:01] <largo>         set root=(hd2,3)
[07:40:02] <largo> 	chainloader +1
[07:40:02] <largo> }
[07:40:06] <largo> (sorry for the spam)
[07:40:15] <largo> that's /dev/sdc3
[07:40:49] <largo> and I'm using GRUB 1.97~beta4 which is what came by default with Ubuntu 9.10.
[07:41:08] <panopticon> largo: i'll need to reboot and check the exact partition where Haiku is
[07:41:10] <largo> so the drive number (hd#) counts from 0, but the partition number counts from 1.
[07:41:13] <largo> k. :)
[07:41:29] <panopticon> brb
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[07:44:07] <OmniMancer> I am dual booting on one comp
[07:44:14] <OmniMancer> I forgot the hd
[07:44:30] <OmniMancer> and I think you should update it as a beta bootloader should not be in a stable OS
[07:46:27] <largo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1327655
[07:47:11] <DraX> hmm disabled vt-x and it seems to work
[07:47:14] <DraX> though it's ungodly slow
[07:48:13] <largo> (in short, 1.97b4 is GRUB2.)
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[07:49:08] <OmniMancer> :P
[07:49:16] <OmniMancer> lol vt breaks stuff :P
[07:49:18] <DraX> or not, just less crashy
[07:49:26] <OmniMancer> yes but they shouldn't have beta version
[07:49:27] <DraX> no virtualbox is just broken
[07:49:51] <OmniMancer> DraX: knowing intel probably both :P
[07:49:58] <largo> maybe it was just a poor naming choice.
[07:50:06] <largo> as it is part of a stable release.
[07:50:53] <OmniMancer> I doubt it
[07:51:08] <OmniMancer> also some guy seems to have it take forever to detect his drives
[07:51:15] <DraX> someone has reported similar behavior with openbsd as a guest
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[07:51:36] <panopticon> largo: Haiku on sda5
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[07:59:08] <largo> root(hd0,5)
[07:59:35] <largo> well
[07:59:41] <largo> set root=(hd0,5)
[07:59:46] <largo> chainloader +1
[08:00:07] <largo> should be all you need in your Haiku menuentry.
[08:00:33] <OmniMancer> you need a boot at the end don't you?
[08:01:25] <largo> menuentry "Haiku" {
[08:01:25] <largo>         set root=(hd2,3)
[08:01:25] <largo> 	chainloader +1
[08:01:25] <largo> }
[08:01:32] <largo> that's my entry and it boots Haiku just fine.
[08:01:49] <largo> I have a similar one for "set root=(hd4)" to boot from my USB stick.
[08:02:00] <largo> (which is /dev/sde)
[08:02:41] <panopticon> largo: could you pastebin your Haiku entry?
[08:03:12] <largo> http://haiku.pastebin.com/LW1ceq70
[08:03:20] <largo> (was working on it) ;)
[08:03:50] <largo> now something they don't tell you is that the next time you update grub, those entries will get wiped out.
[08:04:03] <largo> you need to add that info to the other os's file in /etc/grub.d/
[08:04:04] <panopticon> i'll replace (hd2,3) with (hd0.5)?
[08:04:20] <largo> yes
[08:04:24] <largo> 0,5 ;)
[08:04:29] <panopticon> , ;)
[08:04:55] <panopticon> i'll put this in to the /etc/grub.d file?
[08:05:35] <largo> there should be a file in /etc/grub.d/ called something like "40_custom"
[08:06:37] <largo> you'll want to make the same changes there that you make to the end of your /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[08:07:12] <largo> otherwise you'll lose the changes to grub.cfg the next time you update grub because grub.cfg is actually created from the config files in /etc/grub.d/
[08:07:40] <panopticon> ok, so i will edit the file called "40_custom" and the "grub.cfg file?
[08:10:43] <largo> http://haiku.pastebin.com/xdYCGcXv
[08:10:56] <largo> something like that for your /etc/grub.d/40_custom file.
[08:11:01] <largo> yes.
[08:11:55] <panopticon> ok. i will reboot and try! brb
[08:12:08] <largo> good luck :D
[08:12:17] <panopticon> grazie :)
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[08:45:48] <panopticon> largo: worked like a charm
[08:51:36] <largo> excellent! :D
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[08:59:08] <OmniMancer> I think I shall now go obliterate the evil ubuntu
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[09:03:52] <largo> OmniMancer: to expand your partition for the Haiku nightlies? :)
[09:04:03] <OmniMancer> :P yes
[09:04:31] <OmniMancer> btw can someone plsplspls write a nice VNC server for haiku?
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[09:09:43] <OmniMancer> also is there any way to force a window to take up the whole screen
[09:09:48] <OmniMancer> say the tracker ones
[09:24:22] <CIA-50> stippi * r302 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebPositive/autocompletion/TextControlCompleter.cpp:
[09:24:22] <CIA-50> Use the "bytes" member from the keydown message in order to get mapped keys.
[09:24:22] <CIA-50> The 8 and 2 on the number pad would not work in the URL bar otherwise, since
[09:24:22] <CIA-50> those map to "B_UP_ARROW" and "B_DOWN_ARROW" as raw char.
[09:27:10] <OmniMancer> well now I am safe until the nightlies exceed 5GB
[09:27:22] <OmniMancer> which is hopefully never
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[09:33:15] <largo> I should do the same thing.
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[09:33:49] <OmniMancer> yay
[09:34:04] <OmniMancer> btw we really need a decent remote desktop server
[09:34:13] <largo> right now there are 3 partitions on that drive... so I should easily be able to split the 3rd in two.
[09:34:28] <largo> nothing important on that Haiku install at the moment.
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[10:02:08] <OmniMancer> what is the procedure for writing a haiku raw image to a usb stick on windows?
[10:06:28] <surround1r> OmniMancer: http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/making_haiku_usb_stick
[10:06:51] <surround1r> although I think I used another program too, hmm
[10:06:55] <largo> yeah.
[10:07:00] <largo> I didn't have luck with those directions.
[10:07:03] <largo> I used the russian app.
[10:07:24] <largo> flashnul
[10:08:06] <largo> http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku/How-to-install-Haiku-to-USB-Flash-Drive-from-Windows
[10:08:32] <surround1r> hmm I used a graphical program, can't seem to find it though
[10:08:42] <largo> although windows wouldn't let me write straight to the device, and only to the logical drive on it.
[10:09:04] <OmniMancer> so you needed to makebootable it?
[10:09:05] <largo> kind of ticked me off. linux let's you dd to the device (/dev/sde in my case), but even dd in windows won't let you do that...
[10:09:16] <surround1r> OmniMancer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Win32DiskImager
[10:09:23] <largo> OmniMancer: supposedly.
[10:09:24] <surround1r> that one I once used succesfully with haiku
[10:09:42] <OmniMancer> Im sure if you wrote low level systems you could access the drive as a single file and write to it :P
[10:10:14] <largo> surround1r: I didn't have any luck with that app.
[10:10:29] <largo> kept getting access denied even when I ran it as admin.
[10:10:43] <surround1r> hmm that's strange... worked fine here
[10:10:49] <surround1r> ah well, it's worth a shot of course :)
[10:10:50] <largo> (and I have 0.2-r23)
[10:10:55] <largo> true.
[10:10:56] <OmniMancer> largo are you on non XP?
[10:11:04] <largo> OmniMancer: Win7 64b
[10:11:13] <OmniMancer> that is most probably the cause :P
[10:11:14] <surround1r> ah didn't try it under win 7, I tried it from XP
[10:11:20] <OmniMancer> I am on XP
[10:11:22] <largo> I ended up giving up on making it bootable... I dd'ed it from linux and then just setup my grub to boot it like any other drive. :P
[10:11:24] <OmniMancer> therefore things work
[10:11:31] <surround1r> hehe
[10:11:33] <largo> ;)
[10:11:37] <surround1r> win7 is nice :)
[10:11:55] <largo> win7 is nice... but little things like this kind of piss me off sometimes.
[10:12:09] <surround1r> that I can imagine
[10:14:46] * OmniMancer wants to try haiku on this laptop
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[10:30:55] <OmniMancer> are USB images modifyable?
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[10:42:33] <OmniMancer> I am happy
[10:42:44] <OmniMancer> haiku runs pretty well on here
[10:43:01] <OmniMancer> it even gives me my native res of 1280x800 (only available res)
[10:43:31] <OmniMancer> now I just need a tutorial on installing wireless drivers and DraX to turn the wheels on the wpa stuff
[10:43:34] <largo> OmniMancer: modifiable while still the raw image?
[10:43:53] <OmniMancer> I have a USB issue
[10:44:30] <OmniMancer> can the USB image while booted modify itself and have the changes be different
[10:44:53] <OmniMancer> I just want to be able to install wireless drivers...
[10:44:57] <brobostigon> bug 3933 is still pretty annoying, haiku would rock on eeepc.
[10:45:28] <largo> I would think so... but I don't think I'm qualified to say. :) you're just mounting the raw, changing it, and unmounting it again... so I'd assume the raw would (if mounted read/write) reflect those changes.
[10:45:54] <OmniMancer> I doubt the booted image can be mounted read only unless its in live CD mode
[10:46:55] * OmniMancer pokes DraX: make people implement WPA!!!
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[10:57:48] <waveshaper> hm. Ive never understood why a file cannot be moved even if it is in use (Windows)
[11:01:40] <MrSunshine> a good name for HaikuAPI C Bindings ? :)
[11:02:39] <OmniMancer> waveshaper: it probabtl stems from fat where the name and location of the file directly map to the data on the disk
[11:03:43] <OmniMancer> so moving it would break the ability for the previous handles to open it
[11:05:54] <OmniMancer> on linux most filesystems use inodes and the location in the directory only gives it inode numbers
[11:06:29] <OmniMancer> once it is open it uses the inode number and so moving the reference in the filesystem or even deleteing the file won't change anything until the last user closes the file
[11:06:32] <waveshaper> mh. probably comes from some limitation. but when you hit a limitation like that you should take notes :p
[11:07:05] <OmniMancer> well windows is not a good OS in some ways
[11:07:17] <OmniMancer> however there are advantages to not being able to play with files in use
[11:07:29] <OmniMancer> it makes it less likely that you will break things
[11:08:13] <waveshaper> still. ppl manager to move system folders into root :p
[11:08:25] <OmniMancer> ?
[11:08:44] <OmniMancer> btw is there a guide for installing wireless drivers anywhere?
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[11:09:09] <waveshaper> oh just fixed a box once that the user had moved the system32 folder into root in windows
[11:09:17] <OmniMancer> :(
[11:09:19] <waveshaper> the system didnt stop that user :)
[11:09:20] <OmniMancer> that is bad
[11:09:30] <waveshaper> hehe. yeh :)
[11:09:31] <OmniMancer> the system is not very good :P
[11:10:58] <waveshaper> oh. lunch :)
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[11:17:41] <PulkoMandy> OmniMancer, there is no guide needed actually, just find out the automatic script included in the latest alphas if your card need it
[11:17:55] <PulkoMandy> intel 3945 works out of the box for example
[11:18:11] <OmniMancer> I need to check the card
[11:18:13] <PulkoMandy> (and it creates an interrupt storm for me, freezing the system)
[11:18:34] <OmniMancer> I also need to sit and poke DraX until wpa and wpa2 support materialises
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[11:19:37] <OmniMancer> yay I have an Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG :D
[11:19:49] <OmniMancer> so then I just have to nag until I get wpa?
[11:19:59] <PulkoMandy> yes
[11:20:11] * OmniMancer nags!
[11:20:12] <PulkoMandy> if there is an unencrypted network around you it will autoconnect to it
[11:20:25] <OmniMancer> I have no unencrypted networks here I think
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[11:20:56] <OmniMancer> or maybe there is, there definitely are a few at the university
[11:21:28] <OmniMancer> but home network is wpa2
[11:24:35] <panopticon> largo, your recipe worked like a charm. thanks a lot!
[11:27:16] <OmniMancer> so how long till wpa support?
[11:40:27] <largo> panopticon:  glad I could be of some service. :D
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[11:43:53] <CIA-50> pulkomandy * r35787 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/locale/LocaleRoster.cpp: Change the catalog loading so it will crawl up the catalogs even if the rt root one is not found. This will allow to load "fr" even if "fr_FR" is not found. This way the preflet in its current state works again.
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[11:47:12] <CIA-50> stippi * r303 /webkit/trunk/ (13 files in 8 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[11:47:12] <CIA-50> * Added a class CookieJarClient to WebCore's CookieJar.h which provides the
[11:47:12] <CIA-50> same functionality as the global methods for managing cookies. This is only
[11:47:12] <CIA-50> enabled for the Haiku platform. Since the global cookie methods get a Document
[11:47:12] <CIA-50> pointer, I envision, the CookieJarClient could eventually be a member of
[11:47:13] <CIA-50> Document instances. It would then be passed upon WebCore::Page creation.
[11:47:14] <CIA-50> Still waiting on feedback from other WebKit developers on this one. This change
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[12:15:02] <H_MrSun> hell yeah ... looks like the driver works perfectly now
[12:15:09] <H_MrSun> no issues since i chnaged the data type thingies =)
[12:15:41] <H_MrSun> https://code.google.com/p/habid/ theres my repo for the C/D binding work now =)
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[12:20:53] <Xeon3D> OmniMancer:  you should know by now that there are no time expectations to anything haiku-related.
[12:21:08] <OmniMancer> indeed
[12:21:17] <OmniMancer> but I can sit here and nag :P
[12:21:28] <Xeon3D> that said, I think coling is working hard at it (by haiku's terms) so shouldn't be long
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[12:22:19] <Xeon3D> you could use wep+mac address filtering :/
[12:23:12] <Xeon3D> btw hi all :D
[12:23:25] <OmniMancer> no I couldn't
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[12:23:51] <OmniMancer> at university I have no control over it but may use an unsecured network perhaps
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[12:25:10] <Xeon3D> oh
[12:25:12] <OmniMancer> and at home I am not downgrading the access point for one os on one computer I will hardly use
[12:25:24] <Xeon3D> use a computer a proxy then?
[12:25:49] <Xeon3D> WPA protected -> PC running windows/*nix -> WEP ?
[12:26:25] <OmniMancer> no
[12:26:34] <OmniMancer> nag for wpa :D
[12:26:45] <Xeon3D> I have a Linksys WRT54GS that i used with Haiku in a similar fashion.
[12:27:27] <Xeon3D> even tho DDWRT was a bitch to setup
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[12:32:34] <stippi> H_MrSun: What driver are you talking about?
[12:34:34] <OmniMancer> stippi: no siginfo_t :(
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[12:40:15] <largo> off to mangle my partitions so I can be like OmniMancer  ;)
[12:40:17] <largo> bbiab.
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[12:40:57] <OmniMancer> :P
[12:41:50] <vooshy> hi, does anyone know anything about lcurl? cant compile WebPositive :(
[12:42:15] <OmniMancer> lcurl?
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[12:43:37] <vooshy> OmniMancer: Curl Library
[12:43:47] <OmniMancer> libcurl
[12:43:57] <OmniMancer> what's wrong with it?
[12:44:21] <vooshy> run installoptionalpackage -a Curl but jam cant find the library
[12:44:45] <OmniMancer> :/
[12:44:58] <OmniMancer> its possibly only the curl binary not the libs
[12:46:47] <vooshy> just bugging me, i had it compiling on gcc4 build but now i moved back to gcc2hybrid i cant get it working
[12:50:06] <PulkoMandy> you can't compile on gcc2... so setgcc4 before doing anything :)
[12:50:35] <vooshy> http://fixee.org/paste/3jczate/
[12:50:35] <OmniMancer> indeed
[12:50:45] <OmniMancer> vooshy: did you setgcc gcc4?
[12:50:52] <vooshy> yes i remebered setgcc gcc4
[12:51:28] <vooshy> i didnt remember how to spell remembered though
[12:52:23] <OmniMancer> vooshy: did you try looking through the system for libcurl?
[12:55:50] <vooshy> yep is in /boot/common/lib
[12:56:10] <OmniMancer> not sure if that on the linker search path
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[12:56:48] <CIA-50> pulkomandy * r35788 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Sync japanese translation from hta.
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[13:06:24] <CIA-50> pulkomandy * r35789 /haiku/trunk/ (18 files in 16 dirs): Sync spanish translation from hta.
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[13:08:09] <CIA-50> pulkomandy * r35790 /haiku/trunk/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Sync portuguese translation from hta.
[13:09:00] <CIA-50> pulkomandy * r35791 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Sync german translation from hta.
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[13:25:49] <sprma> Is there a list of supported DVB hardware in Haiku's TV application?
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[13:37:45] <CIA-50> pulkomandy * r35792 /haiku/trunk/src/ (7 files in 7 dirs): Fix hta patch generation errors.
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[13:47:13] <CIA-50> stippi * r304 /webkit/trunk/WebCore/platform/haiku/CookieJarHaiku.cpp: Included optional tracing and fixed the build. Sorry about that.
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[14:22:15] <H_MrSun> stippi, marvell_yukon
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[14:22:51] <H_MrSun> having it private atm for testing and when i know it works fully with dhcp etc ill post a patch on trac =)
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[14:37:35] <OlaHughson> http://simbaspaws.org/olahughson/tf2/ctf_mach40000.jpg
[14:39:57] <stippi> H_MrSun: Nice!
[14:40:53] <H_MrSun> stippi, my first driver hack for haiku, tho i only needed to add a __haiku_disable_interrupts or wahtever it was called but hell :P
[14:41:01] <H_MrSun> my card wasnt supported so i had to! =)
[14:41:19] <stippi> H_MrSun: Nice work! It's best if people with the actual hardware do this.
[14:42:05] <H_MrSun> stippi, yeah i figured also, been looking at the bwn driver also but thats way over my head :/
[14:42:36] <H_MrSun> as the bwi driver needs to be updated to bwn + siba and i cant for my mind figure it out so now im writing C bindings for haiku so my hands glow insted :P
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[14:56:12] <H_MrSun> haiku is realy becomming a more and more usable OS for each day =)
[14:56:27] <H_MrSun> havent had a single crash on this computer yet more then the ones ive caused myself hacking driver :P
[14:56:52] <H_MrSun> looks like it doesnt hog as much memory as it did before either =)
[14:57:03] <oZ]> H_MrSun: It's surprisingly usable, isn't it? All I want now is a rootless X11 server. ;)
[14:57:33] <H_MrSun> oZ], and will be more usable once i get my HaikuAPI D Bindings going so i can attract the D crowd and write nice gui apps :P
[14:57:39] <H_MrSun> i freakin hate c++
[14:57:40] <H_MrSun> :)
[14:57:50] <surround1r> hehe
[14:58:05] <surround1r> should try a nightly again
[14:58:08] <oZ]> Hah, we all want our pet languages. :) I want to write Objective C on Haiku.
[14:58:09] <H_MrSun> hope it works like i hope it works in the end and that other languages can use the hcb backend for their bindings =)
[14:58:24] <H_MrSun> more languages == more devs
[14:58:32] <H_MrSun> more devs == more intrerest in how haiku works
[14:58:41] <H_MrSun> more interest in how haiku works == more system hackers :P
[15:00:39] <vooshy> H_MrSun: how far are you with the D Bindings?
[15:01:12] <H_MrSun> vooshy, lol, well like 5 headers or so bound into C
[15:01:17] <H_MrSun> and like 1 or 2 classes bound into D
[15:01:20] <H_MrSun> so a bit left :P
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[15:22:44] <dancxjo> hello, world
[15:23:41] <oZ]> <world> hello.
[15:23:59] <dancxjo> :)
[15:24:12] <dancxjo> How's haiku today?
[15:24:21] <n9986> <haiku> I am good
[15:24:33] <PulkoMandy> dancxjo, hta patch generator is messing up pt_br
[15:24:34] <dancxjo> hahahahahaha
[15:24:43] <dancxjo> Urgh
[15:24:48] <dancxjo> Details?
[15:24:56] <PulkoMandy> it is replaced with br.catkeys in the jamfiles
[15:25:01] <dancxjo> hiya, PulkoMandy
[15:25:03] <PulkoMandy> hey :)
[15:25:46] <dancxjo> That seems likie an unreasonable thing for hta to do
[15:25:48] <dancxjo> for shame
[15:25:55] * dancxjo looks into the problem
[15:27:59] <dancxjo> PulkoMandy: Now try
[15:31:20] <PulkoMandy> it's still wrong
[15:31:32] <PulkoMandy> I generate the patch for mail russian catalog
[15:31:35] <dancxjo> hmf
[15:31:46] <PulkoMandy> and pt_br.catkeys is removed and br.catkeys added
[15:31:57] <PulkoMandy> http://hta.haikuzone.net/fr/node/8059/translation/ru/patch
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[15:32:48] <dancxjo> Oh...ok
[15:32:54] <dancxjo> This is how bad my coding is
[15:33:01] <dancxjo> the same code pops up all over the place
[15:34:39] <dancxjo> PulkoMandy: Now it should work
[15:35:40] <PulkoMandy> ok, perfect, thanks :)
[15:35:53] <dancxjo> Hey, how are the zips working out for you?
[15:36:05] <PulkoMandy> well, quite fine besides these bugs
[15:36:22] <PulkoMandy> there is another problem too, sometimes the catkeys are added at the wrong place in the jamfile
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[15:36:31] <PulkoMandy> they are listed in the .cpp area
[15:36:46] <PulkoMandy> it happens with screenshot jamfile
[15:36:50] <dancxjo> do you have an example?
[15:36:52] <PulkoMandy> possibly also with others
[15:36:54] <dancxjo> ok
[15:37:11] <PulkoMandy> http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/35790
[15:37:14] <PulkoMandy> like this
[15:37:37] <PulkoMandy> (in stylededit this time)
[15:37:47] <dancxjo> aha
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[15:42:37] <lorglas> hello, everybody knows what in the workshop is included on the begeistert?
[15:47:32] <CIA-50> pulkomandy * r35793 /haiku/trunk/data/catalogs/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Oops. These missed my checkup procedure
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[16:14:46] <mmadia> lorglas : nope, stippi or charlie clark may have a better idea about BG in april.
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[16:15:32] <mmadia> The current BG page on the haiku website is mostly to make sure something is in the event queue, otherwise it won't display properly.
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[16:23:57] <lorglas> cu
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[16:24:13] <panopticon> anyone who's experiencing a really slow network connection on Haiku (eth)?
[16:26:21] <dancxjo> PulkoMandy: I think the problem is now fixed.
[16:28:17] <Koki_> dancxjo!
[16:28:40] <dancxjo> Koki_: Hello, sir!
[16:32:08] <dancxjo> qué onda, guero?
[16:32:36] <dancxjo> if that's a naughty word, i'm just quoting beck...sometimes a bad idea
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[16:36:27] <Kokito> dancxjo, that sounds very Mexican :)
[16:36:51] <dancxjo> I'm pretending to be Mexican today.
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[17:03:10] <Lelldorin1> hi all
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[17:04:19] <panopticon> Lelldorin1, greetings
[17:05:18] <mmadia> DraX : http://haiku.pastebin.com/cCzNuuSw
[17:05:53] <mmadia> 4.9M of exported header.
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[17:25:41] <humdinger> stippi: Should I add the Chemnitzer Linux-Tage to the event calender on the website?
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[17:42:02] <humdinger> stippi: I just went ahead and created the conference entry for Chemnitzer Linux-Tage... :) I guess it has to run thru moderation first
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[17:47:12] <mmadia> humdinger : published.
[17:48:13] <humdinger> thanks mmadia!
[17:48:46] <humdinger> It's a bit short notice as it is...
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[17:50:45] <mmadia> it's sooner than later :)
[17:51:17] <oZ]> Anyone know if there any plans for a rootless X11 server for Haiku?
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[17:53:06] <humdinger> Nobody knows, apparently... :)
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[17:53:25] <oZ]> guess not. ;)
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[17:56:18] <humdinger> Does anyone know what I have to send to mail_daemon(?) with "hey" to have it check for new mail?
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[18:06:06] <AlienSoldier> humdinger middle mouse button do that, so perhaps that BMessage
[18:06:40] <humdinger> oh, didn't know that...
[18:07:14] <humdinger> I'm not sure, however, who exactly I would have to send that msg.
[18:07:32] <humdinger> the deskbar replicant isn't the mail_damon itself.
[18:08:02] <humdinger> The mail stuff is a bit spread out in the source code...
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[18:40:17] <AlienSoldier> humdinger BGA might know that, or perhaps AGMS as he worked on a spam filter for it (AGMS is almost always on beshare and check his atrus message regularly)
[18:40:54] <humdinger> Thanks. I found out that the message should be 'MDrb'
[18:41:07] <humdinger> Now I just need the right object to send it to :)
[18:41:51] <AlienSoldier> the "suite" concept is one on the thing that was never made clear in BeOS
[18:42:10] <humdinger> Yeah. I tried hey mail_daemon getsuites.
[18:42:20] <humdinger> BUt it left me more confused than before.
[18:42:46] <AlienSoldier> perhaps if something like a suite GUI would exist, a bit like cortex for media node
[18:43:02] <humdinger> yep.
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[18:57:09] <panopticon> has anyone succsessfully
[18:57:24] <panopticon> has anyone successfully been able to mount usb-drives?
[18:57:45] <AlienSoldier> in genreal or in the latest build?
[18:57:50] <AlienSoldier> *general
[18:57:54] <mmadia> and of which filesystem?
[18:58:05] <panopticon>  fat drives on Haiku
[18:58:15] <AlienSoldier> yes, tehy should work
[18:58:19] <AlienSoldier> *they
[18:58:30] <AlienSoldier> unless something is messed in latest build
[18:58:33] <panopticon> i read somewhere that only a certain type of sticks where supported
[18:59:14] <mmadia> for mounting within Haiku, there should be no issues.
[19:00:04] <mmadia> but, there are some issues booting off USB -- it could be a hit or miss depending on the specific disk.
[19:00:26] <panopticon> i only intend to mount them, not boot from them
[19:00:47] <AlienSoldier> i noticed it is not possible to format a key in fat in haiku.
[19:01:16] <AlienSoldier> so i eeded to use winblow :(
[19:01:20] <panopticon> i noticed i could mount ntfs-disks, without any fuzz. i liked that!
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[19:01:20] <AlienSoldier> *needed
[19:02:56] <panopticon> how is media formats coming through in Haiku? only support for open formats?
[19:03:28] <panopticon> *are
[19:05:15] <AlienSoldier> i did not test many.  mediaplayer suport sure more than in R5, and for the rest you have VLC
[19:05:44] <The123king> Haiku is aimed at being a media OS. media format support is very generous
[19:07:17] <panopticon> The123king, is VLC the cause of that?
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[19:10:10] <humdinger> panopticon: Even without VLC, Haiku supports many formats.
[19:10:33] <humdinger> I haven't used VLC for a long time and have no problems with TV series etc.
[19:10:39] <panopticon> ok. what about dvd-playback?
[19:10:54] <humdinger> XviD, mpeg4 and h264 no problem.
[19:11:02] <humdinger> never tried DVD playback.
[19:11:28] <humdinger> I think the main problem is the  encryption.
[19:11:32] <mmadia> at least some UDF support has been added recently.
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[19:22:24] <panopticon> so, i got this RTL81xx card, which seems to be recognized by Haiku, but not activated? it just says "ready" but i get no internet when i open BeZilla. does it need activation?
[19:23:52] <Kokito> panopticon, dhcp does not work as expected sometimes. open the network preferences and see if you are getting a valid IP. if not, you could try a static IP instead
[19:25:30] <panopticon> i do get a valip ip/dhcp and what not...
[19:25:53] <Kokito> can you ping from Terminal?
[19:27:28] <panopticon> yes
[19:28:07] <Kokito> then, I don't see why BezillaBrowser would not work
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[19:28:26] <panopticon> it tries to load the webpages, but nothing happens
[19:28:45] * Kokito suspects a redraw issue
[19:29:01] <Kokito> panopticon, resize the window and see if it renders the page
[19:30:46] <panopticon> Kokito, server not found
[19:32:53] <Kokito> sorry panopticon, have to go. bbl
[19:33:00] <panopticon> ok, Kokito
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[19:36:42] <panopticon> is rt81xx cards supported at all...?
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[19:37:56] <mmadia> yes, though there may be driver issues with them -- that isn't the best chipset
[19:38:23] <oZ]> Yeah, even in a perfect world, 81xx isn't fun.
[19:39:35] <panopticon> it doesn't work in my world
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[20:25:37] <largo> I was just reading that "what would you do with 48 cores" thread on the mailing list...
[20:26:04] <largo> and the first thing that came to mind was running something actually useful, like the Stanford Folding@HOME application for protein folding simulations etc.
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[20:31:08] <Andrius> make -j48 is what I'd do
[20:33:25] <largo> or maybe something neat like working with voxels or something...  it just seems like video decoding is so unimaginative.
[20:33:45] <largo> simply scaling doesn't have the "ooo aahhh" factor.
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[20:34:16] <largo> I'd want to see something that couldn't really be done normally... something that would basically require that kind of horsepower.
[20:34:26] <largo> (and threadability etc)
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[20:39:41] <geist> i'd run my ray tracer even faster
[20:39:49] <geist> or build haiku with -j96
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[20:48:05] <PulkoMandy> I'd have great fun writing asm code for it :p
[20:50:07] <Andrius> geist, and report bugs like "haiku doesn't build with -j93 and above"
[20:50:23] <geist> yeah, fix that suckas!
[20:50:47] <Andrius> "can't reproduce" :P
[20:51:04] <largo> hahaha
[20:55:02] <AlienSoldier> largo a simple turing machine can do anything giving enough memory.  That mean the only thing this could acheive not possible with a turing machine is sometihing really computing heavy but doing it in real time
[20:55:46] <PulkoMandy> play raytraced quake 3 ?
[20:56:11] <AlienSoldier> yes, of have neural network for each ennemy :P
[20:56:11] <PulkoMandy> http://www.idfun.de/temp/q4rt/
[20:56:11] <largo> well, a FPGA emulated on 48 processors running an evolutionary algorithm also popped into my head... but I'm stretching way beyond my level of understanding there. ;)
[20:56:14] <AlienSoldier> *or
[20:56:46] <PulkoMandy> emulate an intel 4004 in C++ starting with "class transistor" could be fun too
[20:57:11] <AlienSoldier> PS3 emulation modeled is PSICE :)
[20:57:15] <AlienSoldier> *in
[20:57:26] <AlienSoldier> *SPICE, man i can't type
[20:58:02] <AlienSoldier> a good typo catcher, that is what 48 cpu would be good for
[20:58:09] <largo> hehe
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[21:05:17] <CIA-50> axeld * r35794 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/bfs/BlockAllocator.cpp:
[21:05:17] <CIA-50> * BlockAllocator::CheckNextNode() did enter an endless loop if it experienced
[21:05:17] <CIA-50> problems iterating over a B+tree (due to corruption).
[21:05:17] <CIA-50> * For now, it will stop the check process when this happens, but we definitely
[21:05:17] <CIA-50> need to be able to fix broken B+trees in the future.
[21:06:41] <JonathanThompson> I guess perhaps due to that corruption, until fixed, that B+ tree should get an E grade instead ;)
[21:08:27] <AlienSoldier> no, with corruption you always get A+
[21:10:10] <JonathanThompson> Good point.
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[21:16:25] <CIA-50> stippi * r305 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/API/ (NetworkCookie.cpp NetworkCookie.h): Added a whole bunch of setters and getters... not used anywhere, yet.
[21:16:55] <CIA-50> stippi * r306 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/API/NetworkCookieJar.cpp: Added TODO about why the current implementation is broken...
[21:17:36] <CIA-50> stippi * r307 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/API/WebPage.cpp:
[21:17:36] <CIA-50> Quick hack to enable the cookie handling in the CURL backend. This at least
[21:17:36] <CIA-50> allows some persistency across sessions.
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[21:53:05] <ormandj> are most people running gcc4hybrid or gcc2hybrid?
[21:53:53] <Auronandace> i use gcc4hybrid
[21:54:14] <mmadia> it's suggested to run 2hybrid, it's the official release style and as such will perform the best.
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[21:56:50] <ormandj> mmadia: thank you
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[21:59:23] <CIA-50> pulkomandy * r35795 /haiku/trunk/data/catalogs/ (12 files in 12 dirs): Sync some russian catalogs from hta. The new ones will come up later.
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[22:25:27] <ormandj> how are people doing installs of nightly so that they can 'update' to the newest nightly when they desire? just normal install, and then install over? or multi-partitions and start fresh each time?
[22:26:23] <PulkoMandy> you can use installe rto install over an existing Haiku
[22:26:33] <PulkoMandy> it will erase the system folder and merge everything else
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[22:28:05] <Auronandace> i tend to run the nightlies on a usb stick
[22:28:36] <Auronandace> i don't update them, just dd over them with the latest nightly
[22:29:13] <Auronandace> that way it's like a fresh install
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[22:30:13] <ormandj> Auronandace: unfortunately, not an option, can't boot from usb on this old beast ;) wish i could since the cdrom is 4x, haha
[22:30:22] <ormandj> PulkoMandy: that's what i was thinking to do. right on, thanks!
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[22:31:27] <Auronandace> can't you get a floppy or cd that boots the usb stick?
[22:31:48] <ormandj> Auronandace: haven't thought to try that, are you aware of a boot cd that'll boot a usb drive?
[22:31:56] <ormandj> that'd save me a LOT of time on installations/upgrades
[22:32:10] <ormandj> if you know one off hand, i'll give it a go, otherwise i'll google
[22:32:31] <Auronandace> sorry, never had to use one
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[22:32:47] <Auronandace> maybe somebody else here has
[22:32:50] <ormandj> no worries, thank you!
[22:32:56] <luroh> ormandj: http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html#features
[22:33:49] <luroh> i've not tried it myself but i've been wanting to, looks very versatile
[22:34:20] <ormandj> luroh: i'll let you know in a few minutes how it works! thanks, it does look neat
[22:34:28] <luroh> i does :)
[22:34:33] <luroh> it*
[22:34:38] <PulkoMandy> bootmanager.sourceforge.net, ultimate boot cd
[22:35:00] <PulkoMandy> mh... maybe they don't do usb however... I don't remember :)
[22:35:05] <ormandj> link doesn't work
[22:35:11] <ormandj> 404s
[22:35:23] <PulkoMandy> oh
[22:35:30] <PulkoMandy> btmgr.sourceforge.net actually
[22:35:36] <PulkoMandy> but I'm not sure it does usb at all
[22:35:52] <ormandj> i'll try plop first since i'm already writing the iso
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[22:37:54] <ormandj> luroh: whoa, fancy boot screen
[22:37:59] <ormandj> starfield i'm flying through
[22:38:12] <luroh> awsome :)
[22:38:59] <ormandj> writing usb stick to test that part
[22:39:43] <luroh> i *guess* it's just usb 1.1 but it's better than no usb boot at all
[22:40:36] <mmlr_mc> supports EHCI, so it's 2.0
[22:40:37] <ormandj> still faster than a 4x cdrom
[22:41:05] <ormandj> mmlr_mc: howdy :) how's your day?
[22:41:11] <Auronandace> would it be possible to make an entry in grub to load the usb stick via chainloader?
[22:41:18] <mmlr_mc> almost closing ;-)
[22:41:20] <mmlr_mc> getting tired
[22:41:32] <luroh> oh, you're right, EHCI it says
[22:42:08] <Auronandace> cos grub supports mapping a 2nd harddrive
[22:43:00] <Auronandace> or am i just talking rubbish?
[22:43:39] <ormandj> luroh: when i select 'usb' it reboots my machine
[22:43:41] <ormandj> no boot
[22:43:58] <PulkoMandy> Auronandace, I guess that could work, but you'd need a grub install in the first place
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[22:44:44] <ormandj> luroh: found a way to fix it, you goto setup, and you have to select the mass storage device number
[22:44:47] <ormandj> it was essentially a guess
[22:45:14] <luroh> ah, it now boots from usb?
[22:45:31] <ormandj> luroh: yep, i'm in haiku running on the usb stick
[22:45:43] <luroh> hah, wikk3d
[22:45:43] <Auronandace> well done
[22:47:12] <ormandj> yessir, that thing works like a champ, tried it on another pc, same deal with selecting usb device
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[22:55:52] <ormandj> unfortunately, it appears writing boot sector did not write over grub
[22:55:59] <ormandj> guess i'll have to dd zero the hard drive
[22:56:02] <ormandj> at least the mbr
[22:56:37] <PulkoMandy> you may have some bios security enabled
[22:56:38] <Auronandace> did it write the boot sector of the usb, rather than the harddrive?
[22:56:48] <ormandj> Auronandace: i don't think so, but i can repeat test ;)
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[22:57:23] <ormandj> says 'write boot sector to 'haiku''
[22:57:35] <ormandj> which is unfortunately the name of the usb stick and the drive
[22:57:44] <mmlr_mc> nope, that's the partition
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[22:57:55] <ormandj> wonder why it didn't nuke grub, then?
[22:58:08] <mmlr_mc> because it's the partition boot code and not the master one
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[22:58:20] <ormandj> ah, so dding the mbr should sort this, then
[22:58:28] <Auronandace> i think to install bootman you need to do it from a terminal
[22:58:33] <mmlr_mc> nope, dding the mbr would render it unbootable
[22:58:54] <ormandj> ok, i'll do bootman in term
[22:59:14] <Auronandace> it has a good gui installer and tells you exactly what its doing
[22:59:17] <mmlr_mc> if you're throwing away that disk's partitions you can just initialize it from DriveSetup which'll install a chainloader to the MBR
[23:00:42] <ormandj> mmlr_mc: just init the raw disk, instead of partitioning?
[23:01:08] <mmlr_mc> deleting all partitions and intializing a fresh intel partition map
[23:01:16] <ormandj> cool, i will try it
[23:01:23] <mmlr_mc> then create a partition and initilize that one with bfs
[23:02:00] <ormandj> bootman worked, but i don't get the loading icons
[23:02:10] <ormandj> might have just passed by too quickly ;)
[23:02:38] <Auronandace> i've only ever used bootman in a vm
[23:02:52] <mmlr_mc> works quite nicely over here
[23:02:54] <ormandj> actually, i don't get it on the usb stick either, must be related to the video driver
[23:03:16] <ormandj> mmlr_mc: should i stick with bootman, or go the chainloader route? both appear to work
[23:03:32] <mmlr_mc> if bootman works then there's no need to opt for the chainloader
[23:03:37] <Auronandace> you using a crt monitor?
[23:03:43] <ormandj> Auronandace: lcd
[23:03:53] <ormandj> mmlr_mc: just trying to determine which way is the 'right' way
[23:03:54] <mmlr_mc> unless you want to get rid of the 5 seconds timeout
[23:04:16] <ormandj> as with being told gcc2hybrid is the most correct route :p
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[23:04:40] <mmlr_mc> in that case "whatever works best for you"
[23:05:20] <Auronandace> i heard older monitors can't handle the screen resolution during the boot process
[23:05:56] <Auronandace> cos the resolution defaults to the highest
[23:06:18] <Auronandace> but you still get to the desktop fine
[23:06:59] <ormandj> mmlr_mc: thank you kindly
[23:07:18] <ormandj> Auronandace: could be, or this video card may not work until the driver is loaded
[23:08:32] <mmlr_mc> it should go to the matching vesa mode really
[23:08:41] <mmlr_mc> it has edid to detect the monitors native resolution
[23:08:48] <mmlr_mc> on old hardware this might not be available though
[23:10:01] <ormandj> mmlr_mc: let me try and figure out what card this is
[23:10:27] <ormandj> nvidia geforce4 mx 440 agp 8x
[23:10:35] <ormandj> NV18 it says in devices
[23:11:07] <mmlr_mc> might work, really depends on the vesa bios though
[23:11:40] <ormandj> yeah, it works in haiku, so that's good enough :)
[23:12:34] <ormandj> is the yellowbites.com/downloads/WebPositive.zip the newest svn build, usually?
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[23:13:49] <mmlr_mc> http://mmlr.dyndns.org/
[23:13:59] <mmlr_mc> has nightlies
[23:14:16] <ormandj> if i were female....
[23:14:22] * ormandj winks to mmlr
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