March 7, 2010 
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March 7, 2010 [00:01:03] *** FSX has quit IRC[00:04:29] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[00:08:25] <Ingenu> night guys[00:08:29] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[00:09:08] *** Auronandace has quit IRC[00:14:34] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[00:15:13] *** adamh526 has joined #haiku[00:16:00] *** adamh526 has left #haiku[00:17:37] *** Colin_Finck_ has joined #haiku[00:17:52] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[00:18:39] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[00:18:43] *** Colin_Finck_ is now known as Colin_Finck[00:19:06] *** petterhj-___ has joined #haiku[00:20:39] *** surround1r has quit IRC[00:22:05] *** E-WolfShade has quit IRC[00:23:03] *** kirilla has quit IRC[00:23:06] *** |Qeos| has joined #haiku[00:26:03] *** markos_ has quit IRC[00:26:33] *** Qeos has quit IRC[00:29:18] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[00:29:40] *** Kokito-n800 has joined #haiku[00:30:59] <CIA-50> augiedoggie * r624 /haikuporter/trunk/ (haikuporter_bash_completion haikuporter): (log message trimmed)[00:30:59] <CIA-50> Add -t/--tree option to print the location of the haikuports source tree.[00:30:59] <CIA-50> Update the bash completion script to use the new -t option.[00:30:59] <CIA-50> Add back a couple of urllib commands that are needed to support http[00:30:59] <CIA-50> redirects for downloading source packages.[00:31:00] <CIA-50> Use full path to source package when checksumming it.[00:31:01] <CIA-50> Initial implementation of vcs checkout functionality for ticket #240[00:36:51] *** Barrett has quit IRC[00:37:21] *** Kokito-n800 has quit IRC[00:48:51] *** Kroki has quit IRC[00:55:48] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[00:56:26] <CIA-50> augiedoggie * r625 /haikuporter/trunk/haikuporter_bash_completion: Update the bash completion script to offer -t/--tree completion options.[00:57:12] *** largo has quit IRC[00:59:47] *** Andrius has quit IRC[01:01:06] *** jmayfield_ has quit IRC[01:02:37] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[01:02:47] *** Andrius[] has joined #haiku[01:04:22] *** bjl- has quit IRC[01:04:39] *** Barrett has quit IRC[01:04:44] *** Kokito has quit IRC[01:05:15] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[01:07:01] <mmadia> anyone here with FreeBSD 8.0 and capable of building their own images?[01:07:28] *** Andrius[] has quit IRC[01:09:11] *** MattLacey has joined #haiku[01:11:15] *** S_2010 has joined #haiku[01:12:58] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[01:16:52] *** S_2010 has left #haiku[01:17:29] *** Andrius has quit IRC[01:17:57] *** largo has joined #haiku[01:19:56] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[01:21:25] *** largo has quit IRC[01:22:05] *** Andrius has quit IRC[01:25:16] *** largo has joined #haiku[01:25:26] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[01:33:38] *** Barrett has quit IRC[01:35:24] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[01:41:26] *** stargater has joined #haiku[01:41:27] <stargater> re[01:42:17] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[01:42:43] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[01:42:51] <stargater> hi Kokito[01:43:18] <stargater> Kokito, = jorge ?[01:43:28] <Kokito> hallo stargater >([01:43:49] <Kokito> damn keymap... I meant :)[01:44:04] <Kokito> and yes, it's jorge :)[01:44:31] <stargater> hehe hi :-)[01:44:59] <Kokito> is haiku-os.org loading for you guys?[01:45:03] <stargater> no[01:45:18] <MattLacey> it did a little while ago[01:45:21] <MattLacey> bit slow[01:45:23] * MattLacey tries again[01:45:55] <MattLacey> doesn't look like it is[01:46:07] <Kokito> hmmm... it's been slow the last few days, but now it does not load at all[01:46:09] <MattLacey> but for some reason my paging thread seems to be chewing up the CPU loads[01:46:29] <MattLacey> it definitely worked 20 minutes ago but took a while to load[01:47:38] <MattLacey> heh, sed just crashed whilst autocompleting a filename in the terminal[01:48:59] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[01:49:31] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[01:50:19] <Skipp_OSX> is haiku-os.org down?[01:50:35] <MattLacey> appears so[01:50:55] <Skipp_OSX> shoot[01:58:30] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[01:59:02] <stargater> n8[01:59:07] *** stargater has quit IRC[02:02:01] *** Geoz has quit IRC[02:06:21] *** Barrett has quit IRC[02:07:33] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[02:07:37] * largo waits for the site to come back up.[02:07:59] <largo> here I am trying to show my friends the list of things newbies can do to get started as developers and the site goes down. :'([02:08:02] <largo> is someone looking into it?[02:08:32] <OmniMancer> :'(:'(:'([02:08:36] <Kokito> dunno largo[02:08:50] <mmadia> i can't ssh into baron at the moment. so for now, all bets are off.[02:09:29] <Kokito> ouch[02:09:35] <mmadia> eerr.. *vmweb i mean. i'd rather not kill the vm without a proper shutdown.[02:13:01] <MattLacey> resolve symbol "_ZN10BoidsSaver10StartSaverEP5BViewb" returned: -2147478780[02:13:02] <MattLacey> Unable to open add-on: /boot/home/config/add-ons/Screen Savers/Boids: Symbol not found[02:13:08] *** PathagenX has quit IRC[02:13:15] <MattLacey> apologies for the spamming, but can anyone shed some light on that?[02:13:26] <MattLacey> just trying to compile the minimal screensaver code[02:13:40] <MattLacey> well, can compile and build it, just get that when I try and launch them module from ScreenSaver[02:16:21] <MattLacey> you know what? ignore me - I'll overload the virtual methods[02:16:46] <MattLacey> I'm guessing they're needed[02:17:29] <OmniMancer> well I would think that starting the saver view would be important...[02:18:54] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[02:20:38] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[02:20:48] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[02:21:57] <MattLacey> ahem[02:21:58] <MattLacey> yeah[02:22:04] <MattLacey> I kinda forgot to write that method[02:23:58] <MattLacey> I do have a legit question though...[02:24:00] <MattLacey> runtime_loader: /boot/develop/abi/x86/gcc4/tools/gcc-4.3.3-haiku-090629/bin/gcc: Troubles handling dynamic section[02:24:06] <MattLacey> what's going on there?[02:24:19] <MattLacey> happens when I build my module, thogh if I keep running it it'll suddenly work[02:24:59] <MattLacey> or is that likely to just be because Haiku's still in heavy development?[02:25:54] <OmniMancer> how old is your haiku?[02:30:20] <MattLacey> think about a week or so[02:30:23] <MattLacey> maybe a little more[02:30:31] <MattLacey> worth updating you reckon?[02:37:55] <kallisti5> just a quick FYI, haiku-os.org is down for the moment... the needed parties are aware of the issue and are working to resolve it.[02:39:02] *** MattLacey has quit IRC[02:40:03] <OmniMancer> also latest nightlies don't boot...[02:40:35] <mmadia> OmniMancer CD, raw, or vm?[02:41:03] <mmadia> i removed the offending cd iso's that weren't bootable & looking into it now (too)[02:41:08] <OmniMancer> well I am not sure how new[02:41:20] <OmniMancer> but I haven't tried but people have been reporting[02:41:40] <OmniMancer> so I was going to tell MattLacey since updating may not be possible ...[02:54:30] *** GonoszTopi has quit IRC[02:57:28] <largo> r35765 nightly worked for me.[02:57:37] <largo> well, relatively speaking.[02:57:47] <largo> I wrote it to a USB stick and booted that from GRUB.[02:58:40] <largo> r35770 seems to be the one people were having problems with.[02:59:50] *** joeyadams has joined #haiku[03:00:53] *** bjl- has joined #haiku[03:01:10] <mmadia> 35765 & 35770 cd images.[03:01:24] <mmadia> and that's due to something funky on my end.[03:01:48] *** margiolas has quit IRC[03:01:54] <largo> gotcha.[03:01:56] <hdanak> Hi, what is the current status of the jvm port?[03:02:09] <hdanak> I'm interested in working on it maybe over the summer[03:03:49] <mmadia> mvfranz was talking about it yesterday or the day before. IRC logs: http://echelog.matzon.dk/?haiku |[03:05:14] *** petterhj-___ has quit IRC[03:05:24] <mvfranz> hdanak you can find the details here http://www.haiku-os.org/blog/andrewbachmann/2009-12-21_openjdk_hotspot_libjvmso_built_haiku[03:06:46] <CIA-50> augiedoggie * r626 /haikuporter/trunk/haikuporter:[03:06:46] <CIA-50> Rewrote part of the package building code to be more flexible.[03:06:46] <CIA-50> It assumed that all packages would be installed to either /boot/common or /boot/apps[03:06:46] <CIA-50> This may not be the case for much longer. We may need /boot/system or other locations.[03:25:24] *** Kokito has quit IRC[03:30:41] *** augur has joined #haiku[03:30:46] *** augur has left #haiku[03:33:50] *** mbrumbelow has joined #haiku[03:40:29] *** Disreali has quit IRC[03:45:10] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[04:17:46] *** surround1r has joined #haiku[04:21:15] *** surrounder has quit IRC[04:32:42] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[04:41:09] *** mvfranz has quit IRC[04:42:27] *** joeyadams has quit IRC[04:42:39] <helf|laptop> hi[04:43:21] <largo> ahoy helf|laptop[04:43:38] * largo is just waiting for haiku-os.org to come back on-line. :([04:43:48] <helf|laptop> yo largo[04:43:53] <helf|laptop> I just got back from the theatres[04:44:00] <helf|laptop> Saw Alice. Rather enjoyed it :)[04:44:23] <largo> you're the second person who's said that.[04:44:33] <largo> but the "reviews" I read really panned it pretty harshly.[04:44:38] <largo> I think I'll skip it.[04:44:46] <helf|laptop> To quote myself[04:44:50] <helf|laptop> "Fuck movie critics"[04:44:56] <helf|laptop> I hate them[04:44:56] <largo> indeed.[04:45:02] <helf|laptop> They usually diss all my favorite movies[04:45:02] <helf|laptop> :p[04:45:05] <largo> but the movie didn't interest me from the previews anyway.[04:45:12] <helf|laptop> ah, in that case, skip it[04:45:12] <largo> too over the top.[04:45:14] <helf|laptop> :)[04:45:20] <helf|laptop> I adore movies as it[04:45:33] <largo> the next movie I'll be watching is AGORA.[04:45:34] <helf|laptop> of course its over the top, its based on the book through the looking glass :p[04:45:42] <helf|laptop> I cant wait for Legion and Kickass[04:45:53] <largo> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1186830/[04:46:08] <largo> I'm skipping Legion, but I think I'll see Kickass. ;)[04:46:16] <helf|laptop> ooo. AGORA looks cool[04:46:30] <helf|laptop> I'm one of those people that likes most genres. lol[04:46:39] <helf|laptop> It has to be /awful/ for me to not want to see it.[04:46:51] <helf|laptop> and if you arent careful, itll be so awful I'll enjoy it as a B movie.[04:47:03] * helf|laptop is apparently easy to please[04:47:44] <largo> hehe[04:47:59] <largo> I'm bummed about Haiku at the moment. :([04:48:00] <helf|laptop> I also like Pandorum which got horrible reviews :p[04:48:06] <helf|laptop> Whats wrong with it.[04:48:07] <largo> because it appears that I was just lucky the other day...[04:48:07] <helf|laptop> ?[04:48:17] <largo> well, when I disabled SMP and was able to play on-line...[04:48:36] <largo> I reverted back to that build today, but now I'm having trouble with it constantly thinking the media has changed and reconnecting.[04:48:52] <largo> so every few seconds when I'm trying to surf the web or download something it resets and drops the connection.[04:49:09] <largo> I have no idea why it worked that day for the most part and now isn't anymore.[04:49:29] <helf|laptop> weird[04:49:44] <largo> yeah. I might just spring for a new wifi card to try instead of waiting for this one to be fixed.[04:49:52] <largo> I can deal with crashes and bug reports occasionally etc.[04:50:01] <largo> but I can't deal without being able to get on-line basically at all.[04:50:19] <helf|laptop> tried a different NIC?[04:50:27] <largo> it's the same reason I stopped using Linux for the most part on this machine... because initially the wifi was just as bad...[04:50:35] <largo> I only have access to wifi here. :([04:50:39] <helf|laptop> oh[04:50:43] <OmniMancer> :([04:50:50] <largo> and Haiku doesn't see my girlfriend's Linksys USB wifi dongle.[04:50:55] <helf|laptop> maybe its just the wifi chipset in the laptop?[04:51:01] <largo> this is a desktop.[04:51:04] <helf|laptop> ah[04:51:06] <helf|laptop> heh[04:51:25] <largo> D-link DWA 552 "Extreme N" blah blah.... Atheros 5416 802.11N PCI card.[04:51:51] <helf|laptop> you didnt change any bios options, did you?[04:51:58] <helf|laptop> anything that would adjust power saving features?[04:51:59] <largo> if this were my place and not an apartment I'd run CAT6 and be done with it.[04:52:26] <largo> not that I'm aware of.[04:52:38] <largo> I might update my BIOS tonight.... reset everything (mostly) to defaults.[04:53:08] <helf|laptop> I've only run Haiku much on one machine and that was just with wired internet[04:53:22] <largo> yeah, I have 2 intel Gbit NICs in here. :'([04:53:23] <helf|laptop> speaking of which.. I've gotta find a box for that monstrocity...[04:53:25] <largo> totally going to waste.[04:54:07] <largo> the main thing I wanted to do was get the net working in Haiku so that I could mess around with compiling stuff... really work out my CPU etc.[04:54:16] <largo> I wanted to see how fast I could compile things with my 8 cores. :P[04:54:28] <helf|laptop> :p[04:54:31] <helf|laptop> 8 cores?[04:54:32] <largo> (simple geek entertainment and return on investment for the money I spent)[04:54:34] <helf|laptop> dual quad core?[04:54:40] <largo> hyperthreaded quad core.[04:54:43] <helf|laptop> ah[04:54:47] <helf|laptop> i7 i take it[04:54:48] <helf|laptop> nice[04:54:50] <largo> i7 965ee 3.2ghz[04:54:54] <helf|laptop> :)[04:55:06] <helf|laptop> hopefully I'll have a Q9550 machine going[04:55:13] <largo> yeah.[04:55:14] <helf|laptop> *soon[04:55:29] <helf|laptop> cant wait.. be the fastest computer ive ever own and its already obsolete. lol[04:55:34] <largo> I see people doing the nightly builds on single or dual core systems that sound a little older..[04:55:42] <largo> so I wondered how much faster I could rip out a nightly build.[04:56:02] <largo> all new to me pretty much :) I've never done much more than basic linux builds of stuff.[04:56:10] <largo> no cross compiling, hybrid builds, etc.[04:56:44] <largo> helf|laptop: yeah.. but you probably won't be spending nearly as much for it.[04:57:00] <largo> I spent a lot on this one because I wanted it to last awhile.[04:57:05] <helf|laptop> heh, yeah[04:57:08] <largo> I used my last machine for about 7 years before I had to retire it.[04:57:13] <helf|laptop> ive been slowly buying parts for mine[04:57:24] <helf|laptop> i think ill have like $750-800 tied up in once i finish[04:57:24] <largo> (after the second mobo failed and took a few of the HDs with it)[04:57:28] <helf|laptop> ouch[04:57:37] <helf|laptop> yeah, my machine generally last a loooong time[04:57:40] <largo> yeah :( GIGA-BYTE = garbage.[04:57:52] <helf|laptop> I usually use Asus boards[04:58:02] <largo> my dad is still using the ASUS based machine I had BEFORE that one... and it's STILL going and has outlasted 2 rebuilds of its successor.[04:58:08] <largo> so I went back to ASUS for this new build.[04:58:08] <helf|laptop> I've been on p3 based machine for the last 11 years :p[04:58:32] <helf|laptop> this laptop was the fastest/newest machine ive had in regular use. got it off my dad after he 'broke" it.[04:58:40] <largo> P6T Deluxe OC/Palm edition mobo.[04:58:46] <helf|laptop> nice[04:58:50] <largo> (although the palm was probably a waste of money. impulse buy)[04:59:05] <helf|laptop> I cant decide if i want to overclock my new machine or not[04:59:11] <helf|laptop> I keep waffling between yes/no[04:59:15] <largo> I'm not overclocking this one.[04:59:23] <largo> I need a better cooling setup... it runs way too hot. :([04:59:28] <helf|laptop> I kinda wanna run it at 4ghz with a 2ghz fsb. at that point ill be using it for the foreseable future. heh[04:59:36] <largo> I can't even run all the cores at full load without it hitting ~100C :([04:59:37] <helf|laptop> i always buy massive coolers :p[04:59:41] <helf|laptop> omg[04:59:46] <helf|laptop> thats WAY to hot[04:59:53] <helf|laptop> go buy a megahalems cooler[04:59:55] <largo> yeah, I'm still on the stock cooler. so I just keep it at really low load most of the time. what a waste.[05:00:56] <largo> just to give you an idea... I'm basically idling right now between 45 and 50C on all cores.[05:01:06] <largo> video card runs really hot too. :([05:01:11] <largo> so that isn't helping the situation.[05:01:14] <helf|laptop> whats your ambient temp?[05:01:19] *** MattLacey has joined #haiku[05:01:58] <MattLacey> he guys - I'm playing around with screensaver stuff atm, but my DirectConnected() method never receives an info struct where the state is B_DIRECT_START[05:02:00] <MattLacey> any ideas why?[05:02:43] <largo> not sure what the ambient is at the moment.[05:02:44] <helf|laptop> largo, if you have bought an ssd, I'd recommend one :p yeah they are stupid expensive, but omg[05:03:21] <helf|laptop> largo, newegg had the 40gb intel ones for $115 with free shipping last week. popped it in this laptop today and its completely revitalized it :p I have no desire to upgrade it anymore.[05:03:26] <largo> maybe use the SDD as the main drive? they are horribly expensive though from what I've seen. :([05:03:38] <largo> wow.[05:03:41] <helf|laptop> yeah, just as a boot drive[05:03:43] <largo> well, first things first.[05:04:16] <helf|laptop> they keep dropping, just watch newegg. corsair and ocz 30gb ssds are on sale a lot with MIRs sometimes taking them as low at $75[05:04:30] <largo> I have to get a new drive for my girlfriend's laptop (she's running Ubuntu live dvd off a thumb drive I rigged after the hdd totally destroyed itself... and the laptop won't boot the dvd drive for some reason without the hdd)[05:04:37] <largo> and new cooling system for this machine...[05:04:53] <largo> THEN I can start thinking about more superfluous buys. ;)[05:04:54] <helf|laptop> I went with the intel one because under full load it uses less than 200mW, all the others use 2 watts or so. so improves laptop battery life a ton[05:05:06] <helf|laptop> hehe[05:05:15] <helf|laptop> her laptop take sata drives?[05:05:22] <largo> nope.[05:05:26] <largo> :([05:05:26] <helf|laptop> ah[05:05:36] <helf|laptop> I may have some ide laptop drives left if you want me to look[05:05:41] <largo> probably only cost ~$60 or so to put a fairly big drive in it.[05:05:44] <helf|laptop> probably in the 6-12gb range, tho[05:05:49] <helf|laptop> ah, yeah[05:06:18] <largo> money's just been tight.... we're up here in Michigan. ;)[05:06:25] <helf|laptop> oh lord[05:06:26] <largo> unemployment / recession capital of the US.[05:06:37] <helf|laptop> The state that is fast become THE Welcfare state :p[05:06:39] <helf|laptop> *Welfare[05:06:56] <largo> if I weren't working on-line for a guy down in Florida, I'd probably be freaking out a lot more. :P[05:07:01] <helf|laptop> lol[05:07:21] <helf|laptop> I'm in Alabama and you canbarely tell we've ad a recession in my little city[05:07:27] <helf|laptop> *had[05:07:49] <helf|laptop> The city had to cut its budget back some due to tax revenue going down 2% but otherwise... :p[05:07:58] <largo> I think California is probably a much worse welfare state... but I don't think they're nearly at the unemployment level that we are. I haven't looked.[05:08:09] <largo> but they're going bankrupt just as fast, if not faster.[05:08:13] <helf|laptop> California is a sad joke[05:08:32] <helf|laptop> worlds 12th largest economy and its governing body is bankrupt[05:08:36] <helf|laptop> pathetic.[05:08:41] <largo> indeed.[05:08:56] <largo> well, it's the mindset of entitlement without wanting to be taxed to support it.[05:08:58] <helf|laptop> Amazing mismanagment going on there.[05:09:13] <helf|laptop> Yeah. The 'Me' attittude everyone seems to have. I'll never understand it[05:09:17] <largo> "we vote yes on every progressive program, but no on every tax increase to support those programs" in a nutshell.[05:09:20] <helf|laptop> goes completely against how I was raised, I guess.[05:09:26] <helf|laptop> yeah, pretty much.[05:09:41] *** mvfranz has joined #haiku[05:09:43] <helf|laptop> I keep running into people that want hte government to handle everything[05:09:46] <helf|laptop> its kinda scary[05:09:53] <helf|laptop> I don't trust the government to do anything correctly :p[05:10:04] <largo> reminds me of something I heard recently here in this state... a city voted against a small tax increase... and then made a huge show of begging them not to close the library and community center etc.[05:10:06] <largo> *facepalm*[05:10:20] <helf|laptop> lol[05:10:25] <largo> don't they teach basic civics in school anymore? :P lol[05:10:25] <helf|laptop> People are idiots.[05:10:29] <helf|laptop> nope[05:10:41] <helf|laptop> Economics 101 is also no longer taught, I think :p[05:10:50] <largo> not until college I think.[05:10:59] <helf|laptop> oh, I guess its been over 10 years now.. but my city almsot went under[05:11:09] <largo> we really need those courses back in standard education K-12.[05:11:15] <helf|laptop> There was a major steel plant here that fel on hard times. It employed the bulk of the population.[05:11:22] <largo> ouch :([05:11:36] <helf|laptop> The management figured out a way to save the place but it required help from the union.[05:12:07] *** oco has quit IRC[05:12:08] <largo> I'm old enough to remember most of the industry that used to be in my hometown. almost all of the factories shut down when I was really young... and were slowly dismantled or fell apart over the years.[05:12:15] <helf|laptop> The union REFUSED to take a pay cut for 5 years and a few other things that would have saved the plant. So the company said "fuck it" and filed for chapter 11 and sold its blast furnace to a chinese company.[05:12:18] <largo> Reaganomics in action.[05:12:26] <helf|laptop> we lost something like 2000 jobs overnight.[05:12:31] <helf|laptop> Its amazing how dumb people can be[05:12:50] <largo> yeah... I think unions are a good thing in general... but they can really screw themselves sometimes.[05:12:57] <helf|laptop> Everyone is incredible shortsighted and seems to only care about instant gratification[05:13:05] <largo> if the factory can't sustain itself, you won't get paid ANYTHING.[05:13:12] <helf|laptop> It'll be the death of us all :p[05:13:14] <largo> sometimes a pay cut is better than a complete pay loss.[05:13:16] <helf|laptop> yeah, heh[05:13:52] <helf|laptop> Oh well, at least the south is doing pretty good in general at the moment :][05:13:55] <MattLacey> things sound pretty messed up over there sitll[05:14:04] <largo> and will probably continue to be.[05:14:06] <helf|laptop> MattLacey, depends on where you are[05:14:10] <MattLacey> though I guess the dollar is probably getting stronger against the pound[05:14:14] <largo> the death of America will stem from Wall St. mark my words.[05:14:20] <largo> nothing was actually fixed.[05:14:22] <largo> just postponed.[05:14:23] <helf|laptop> nope[05:14:36] <helf|laptop> and all their bright ideas to fix stuff ... dont get me started :p[05:14:37] <MattLacey> aye[05:14:38] <largo> and done so in a way that ensures that it will happen again and be even worse.[05:14:45] <MattLacey> band aids don't last forever[05:14:48] <helf|laptop> thanks to them im having a harder time affording a newer used car.[05:15:26] <helf|laptop> Cash for Clunkers has caused the used car market prices to skyrocket ;([05:15:30] <largo> I'm going to try to go to school again for a few years and then move to Japan or something.[05:15:42] <largo> I don't think I want to be here when it collapses like the Soviet Union. :P[05:15:45] <helf|laptop> I'm tmepted[05:15:48] <helf|laptop> heh[05:15:53] <MattLacey> come to Australia[05:15:57] <helf|laptop> ha[05:15:58] <largo> eek[05:16:02] <MattLacey> only western country that didn't go into recession[05:16:06] <helf|laptop> at least we have decent internet speeds[05:16:07] <helf|laptop> :p[05:16:07] <largo> not with all the nutso civil rights restrictions there lately. :([05:16:09] <largo> no thanks. :([05:16:14] <largo> I'm a fan of freedom.[05:16:15] <MattLacey> lol[05:16:19] <largo> not moral policing.[05:16:19] <MattLacey> my net conneciton isn't too bad[05:16:23] <helf|laptop> MattLacey, your housing market is having issues[05:16:25] <helf|laptop> iirc[05:16:25] <largo> "small breasts are illegal."[05:16:26] <largo> wtf[05:16:32] * MattLacey is from the UK[05:16:32] <largo> no thanks. I like small boobs. :)[05:16:37] <helf|laptop> wait,[05:16:39] <MattLacey> Australia has more freedoms than the UK does :)[05:16:41] <helf|laptop> small boobs are illegal in AU?[05:16:44] <mvfranz> how can I do a haiku build with full kernel debugging turned on[05:16:45] <largo> yep.[05:16:51] <OmniMancer> no[05:16:58] <helf|laptop> wheres my plane ticket?! :D[05:16:58] <OmniMancer> imagry portraying them is[05:16:59] <largo> you can't show small breasted women in adult magazines etc.[05:17:01] <mvfranz> something like KDEBUG=1 or whatever it should be set to[05:17:07] <helf|laptop> thats awesome[05:17:07] <largo> seriously.[05:17:07] <helf|laptop> lol[05:17:11] <largo> because they might look young.[05:17:14] <helf|laptop> oh[05:17:16] <helf|laptop> thats fucking stupid[05:17:18] <largo> even though they're perfectly legal adults.[05:17:19] <OmniMancer> because it could be considered child porn[05:17:20] <largo> yes. very.[05:17:25] <helf|laptop> wtf[05:17:34] <largo> yeah. screw AU. they're doing all kinds of that stuff lately.[05:17:35] <helf|laptop> the "think of the children" BS is getting old[05:17:42] <mmadia> mvfranz : http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/build/config_headers/ReadMe[05:17:42] <largo> regulating the internet, censorship, etc.[05:17:44] <OmniMancer> effectivly its about as bad as australias game rating system...[05:17:46] <helf|laptop> the hole world is going insane[05:17:50] <largo> they're getting worse than the US in that regard.[05:17:50] <helf|laptop> whole[05:18:02] <helf|laptop> The EU is pretty pathetic too[05:18:14] <largo> yeah... it does really seem like the world is losing it's mind. :([05:18:18] <helf|laptop> who wants to help me buy a private island then declare it a country? :D[05:18:28] <largo> if I wasn't scared to death of the Scandinavian languages, I'd move to Norway or something.[05:18:34] <helf|laptop> heh[05:18:39] <largo> they seem like pretty happy, healthy, stable, and well off folks up there.[05:18:52] <helf|laptop> thats because noone can understand them so they leave them alone[05:18:56] <helf|laptop> also, its cold.[05:18:57] <largo> haha[05:19:00] <largo> I don't mind cold.[05:19:06] <largo> it's below freezing here right now. :)[05:19:16] <stpere> pff[05:19:18] <DraX> southern sweden wasn't that cold[05:19:18] <stpere> that's not cold[05:19:34] <largo> stpere: we get much colder. :) it's warming up right now.[05:19:34] <helf|laptop> its 4c right now, here[05:19:40] <helf|laptop> er[05:19:41] <helf|laptop> 2c[05:20:03] <largo> was around -10 for the past few days.[05:20:59] <OmniMancer> australia has no rating for 18+ only for video games...[05:21:04] <mvfranz> mmadia thanks, there is no simple command line arg to jam that I can use?[05:21:10] <MattLacey> they're actually considering one at the moment[05:21:11] <DraX> and at least written swedish i could make a tiny bit of out from taking german in high school[05:21:16] <MattLacey> might get sored soon[05:21:19] <DraX> spoken on the other hand, not so much[05:21:32] <MattLacey> doesn't bother me since I prefer car games anyway[05:22:32] <largo> DraX: I've got a friend in Sweden.... but they're being flooded by radical Muslims at the moment... so I'll skip that. :([05:22:36] <MattLacey> so no ideas on my I odn't get B_DIRECT_START?[05:22:42] <helf|laptop> ugh[05:22:48] <helf|laptop> I hate radicals for anything[05:22:50] <DraX> i really liked sweden, i need to go back in not-winter for a longer period of time[05:22:54] <helf|laptop> same with "fundamentalists"[05:23:17] <DraX> i didn't like denmark as much, but it was still pretty cool[05:24:17] * OmniMancer floods helf|laptop with free radicals.[05:24:17] *** mmadia has quit IRC[05:24:41] <helf|laptop> OmniMancer, nooooooo!! :D[05:24:48] *** mvfranz has quit IRC[05:24:48] <largo> helf|laptop: the problem with them is simply that they really believe. ;) the belief is the problem, it's only the increase in it that really causes the problem. ;) my solution is to not believe in irrational mythology counter to modern day evidence supported facts. and the more religious people believe the same way... in contemporary morals, facts, etc... the better. the more they believe what their ancient books actually clearly comman[05:24:51] <largo> </taboo>[05:24:56] * helf|laptop watches his gorgeous face get wrinkly[05:25:11] <helf|laptop> largo, amen :p[05:25:14] * largo is already old. :'([05:25:31] <largo> well, I'm quite young looking for my age. :)[05:25:39] <helf|laptop> largo, what I hate are the idiots with their PC mindset that'll go along with anything because we don't want to impede their religious or social beliefs![05:25:44] <helf|laptop> no matter how fucking demented they are[05:25:46] <helf|laptop> :p[05:25:50] <helf|laptop> I turn 23 this year.[05:26:08] <DraX> helf|laptop: the best part about them is that if you remove the religious part, they get offended by it[05:26:11] <stpere> helf|laptop: and their Mac mindset, even worse :P[05:26:18] <DraX> helf|laptop: it's only ok when it comes from religion[05:26:19] <largo> http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs458.snc3/26193_10150108171860405_813385404_11207652_1575807_n.jpg[05:26:25] <largo> I'm the tall fellow on the right in the purple tie.[05:26:30] * MattLacey reboots[05:26:36] *** MattLacey has quit IRC[05:26:43] <largo> (I'm 36)[05:27:03] <largo> helf|laptop: I've got a great article for you on that very topic.[05:27:06] <DraX> ``torturing women is wrong!! oh, it's part of your religion, I deeply respect your religion, enjoy your torture.''[05:27:16] <largo> helf|laptop: http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/02/universal-morality/[05:27:24] <largo> DraX: for you too. :)[05:27:44] <helf|laptop> largo, I didnt know you knew scott bakula. lol[05:27:50] <helf|laptop> (bottom left)[05:27:54] <largo> Scott Bakula RULES.[05:28:01] <largo> Quantum Leap, Enterprise...[05:28:02] <largo> ;)[05:28:04] <largo> haha[05:28:18] <helf|laptop> DraX, yeah[05:28:26] <OmniMancer> so you are the one who is smiling almost creepily?[05:28:37] <helf|laptop> heh[05:28:43] <helf|laptop> largo, I love TED Talks[05:29:22] <helf|laptop> largo, people have just become /too/ tolerant.[05:29:32] <largo> OmniMancer: http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2675/205/55/523353842/n523353842_1631998_7030544.jpg[05:29:34] <largo> is that better?[05:29:34] <helf|laptop> Moderation in all things - something people need to remember.[05:29:38] *** l_n has joined #haiku[05:29:55] <largo> (too many pitchers of rum and coke on my birthday a year or two ago)[05:29:59] <OmniMancer> but then you get problems with when you have too much moderation :P[05:30:15] <l_n> hrm.. i'm getting odd warnings when running jam to update to a more recent rev.[05:30:42] <helf|laptop> OmniMancer, ha. taking it to extremes ;P[05:30:52] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[05:30:55] <helf|laptop> I just generally hate my species.[05:30:59] <helf|laptop> wb matt[05:31:07] <largo> yay for misanthropy.[05:31:13] <helf|laptop> :)[05:31:14] <largo> we don't often hear that term today.[05:31:18] <helf|laptop> nope[05:31:21] <helf|laptop> but thats me to a T[05:31:23] <helf|laptop> sometimes[05:31:29] <l_n> helf|laptop: you, too, eh?[05:31:38] <largo> honestly I love humanity... but I hate so many people today. :( I'm very conflicted.[05:31:51] * mmadia waves hello[05:31:54] <helf|laptop> largo, I think thats probably how I really am. heh[05:31:56] <largo> I want the best for all of us... but I look around and I'm like "man... we'd be so much better off if most of you just died."[05:32:07] <helf|laptop> yeah, basically.[05:32:16] <largo> mmadia: welcome back. :)[05:32:27] <helf|laptop> Lets restart. I'll get the nukes ^_^[05:32:27] <l_n> if you like heavy music, you should check out the band Shai Hulud[05:32:32] <largo> mmadia: any word on haiku-os.org yet? :'([05:32:48] <mmadia> yes, wait a few more hours.[05:32:57] <largo> okee doke.[05:33:05] <largo> I'll just check again in the morning. :)[05:33:11] <l_n> mmadia: i think there may be some cruft left from when your WifiFirmwareScriptData patches got merged[05:33:13] <helf|laptop> l_n, ooo[05:33:13] <mmadia> i'd rather see if olta has a trick up his sleeve.[05:33:29] <l_n> helf|laptop: their album is named "Misanthropy Pure"[05:33:32] <helf|laptop> 'misanthropy pure' is cool[05:34:01] <mmadia> l_n : anything particular?[05:34:13] <l_n> mmadia: erm.. lemme scroll the terminal back up[05:34:32] <l_n> warning: unknown rule AddWirelessFirmwareTarToHaikuImage[05:34:49] <l_n> and AddWirelessFirmwareZipToHaikuImage[05:35:07] <mmadia> can you run svn stat build/jam ?[05:35:10] <l_n> both warnings came up twice when jam was initializing the build[05:35:19] <l_n> gimme a sec[05:35:57] <l_n> M build/jam/OptionalPackagesM build/jam/OptionalPackages[05:36:07] <l_n> oops.. alt-v took twice[05:36:29] <mmadia> there you go. svn revert build/jam/OptionalPackages[05:36:35] <l_n> i think i now know what happened[05:37:07] <l_n> i ran update after applying your patch and it assumed i had been hacking at stuff and merged the differences.[05:37:16] <helf|laptop> l_n, still going to part out that s/36?[05:37:34] <l_n> thinking about it.. if i ever get time and can find some boards to compare prices to[05:37:42] <helf|laptop> I wish you hadn't toldme about it[05:37:46] <l_n> why?[05:37:48] <helf|laptop> I'm still contemplating driving up there[05:37:48] <helf|laptop> :p[05:37:52] <l_n> lol[05:38:24] <l_n> you'd make my wife happy if you disappeared that box.. but she might charge you a bit of money for it.. i once told her how much i had seen parts for it on ebay selling for.[05:38:54] <helf|laptop> lol[05:39:09] <helf|laptop> can you give me a zip code so i can see exactly how far it is?[05:40:01] <l_n> 37865[05:40:12] <l_n> iirc, i already did that and it was 3.5 hrs[05:40:26] <l_n> i need to remember to fix my 3 key[05:40:27] *** MattLacey has joined #haiku[05:40:34] <MattLacey> bah[05:40:45] <MattLacey> hoped modifying my vesa settings might get me a full screen resolution[05:40:46] <helf|laptop> 216 miles..[05:40:53] <l_n> if i just barely touch it, it will output a char and then start repeating if my finger just rests on it.[05:41:03] <helf|laptop> lets just say 450 round trip.. thats..[05:41:10] <l_n> 7 hrs[05:41:18] <l_n> at ~60mph[05:41:31] <helf|laptop> thatll only cost me like $60 in fuel[05:41:41] <helf|laptop> probably a bit less[05:41:44] <helf|laptop> you suck[05:41:47] <helf|laptop> lol[05:41:50] <l_n> erm.. i'm off by about 30 mi (7*60=420)[05:42:08] <helf|laptop> good weekend road trip[05:42:28] <helf|laptop> you wanna hang onto it for another couple of months and ill come nab it?[05:42:28] <largo> MattLacey: was resolution are you stuck at?[05:42:36] <l_n> you could always go see the penis in the middle of knoxville (the Sunsphere, i remnant from the 1984 world's fair)[05:42:47] <helf|laptop> ha[05:42:49] <l_n> s/i\ r/a\ r/[05:42:52] <MattLacey> largo: only got standard 4:3 ones[05:42:58] <helf|laptop> my city has its own giant phallic symbol[05:43:03] <MattLacey> so at 1152x864[05:43:08] <MattLacey> when I should be at 1440x900[05:43:14] <largo> MattLacey: ah... you're on a widescreen? laptop?[05:43:19] <MattLacey> aye[05:43:21] <MattLacey> macbook pro[05:43:23] <largo> gotcha.[05:43:24] <MattLacey> using virtualbox[05:43:26] <helf|laptop> l_n, http://www.lat34north.com/Images/GadsdenAL.jpg[05:43:44] <MattLacey> I ususally use a 1080p external monitor so 1152x864 feels very constricted![05:43:45] <largo> I was impressed to get 1600x1200@32bpp on here... nice and fast too.[05:43:48] <OmniMancer> how big is the screen/[05:43:49] <OmniMancer> ?[05:43:53] <MattLacey> 15"[05:43:58] <OmniMancer> wow[05:44:01] <MattLacey> the 1080p is 23"[05:44:29] <MattLacey> my PC laptop is a 15" with a 1680x1050 screen - Haiku looks fantastic on that :)[05:44:53] <l_n> http://worldsfairpark.org/images/content/sunsphere.jpg[05:45:09] <largo> a giant disco ball![05:45:15] <helf|laptop> MattLacey, i wish mine was that hihg of a resolution :p[05:45:21] <helf|laptop> im stuck at 1280x800 i think[05:45:36] <MattLacey> :([05:45:39] <largo> I wouldn't want that high on a 15"[05:45:41] <largo> I'd go blind.[05:45:42] <MattLacey> I've always loved high res displays[05:45:46] <MattLacey> lol[05:45:48] <helf|laptop> heh[05:45:52] <l_n> my eee will only do....1024x600[05:45:53] <helf|laptop> largo, the higher the resolution the better imo[05:45:53] <MattLacey> it's fantastic for Visual Studio[05:45:56] <MattLacey> so much screen space![05:45:56] <OmniMancer> I have 1280x800[05:46:07] <largo> 1280x1024 on 15" was about as high as I went.[05:46:09] <helf|laptop> 2560x2048 would be killer on a 15" laptop ^_^[05:46:10] * MattLacey is coding in vim today with a few terminals open + webpositibe[05:46:13] <OmniMancer> you need a big screen too[05:46:13] <MattLacey> positive*[05:46:14] <l_n> OmniMancer: on?[05:46:18] <MattLacey> gets messy very quickly at this res[05:46:32] <helf|laptop> l_n, i think yours wins in awesomeness[05:46:33] <largo> OH... WHICH REMINDS ME[05:46:42] <OmniMancer> on anything, 18" laptop FTW :P[05:46:44] <helf|laptop> MattLacey, its great :p[05:46:55] <l_n> helf|laptop: probably a better story behind it, too. ;)[05:46:57] <largo> what's the deal with the icons overlapping on the Haiku desktop? is that intentional? being worked on? not considered important?[05:47:03] <largo> I'd dig around on the website, but it's down. :/[05:47:08] <helf|laptop> l_n, quite possibly :p[05:47:12] <MattLacey> right[05:47:22] <helf|laptop> oh, anyone need a 120gb 2.5" sata drive?[05:47:22] <MattLacey> time for coffee since I'm stuck on this screensave[05:47:28] <MattLacey> back in a bit dudes[05:47:35] *** MattLacey is now known as MattLacey|Coffee[05:47:40] <l_n> helf|laptop: do you have a controller card to go with it?[05:47:55] <helf|laptop> possibly[05:47:59] <l_n> the ide bus in my desktop took a gigantic shit a few weeks ago and died.[05:48:22] <helf|laptop> i have a generic 3 port sata pci card that i think also has an ide bus[05:48:58] <helf|laptop> once i dump the data off the drive i can mail it to you with the card + cabling and call it a deposit on the s/36 :[05:48:59] <helf|laptop> :p[05:49:20] <OmniMancer> you trust the mail service?[05:50:07] <l_n> helf|laptop: how about we call it an even trade... i fix my desktop and you get a toy[05:50:12] <helf|laptop> ok[05:50:15] <helf|laptop> OmniMancer, yes[05:50:19] <helf|laptop> OmniMancer, the USPS is fantastic[05:50:22] *** mmadia has quit IRC[05:50:24] <helf|laptop> I trust them far more than UPS or Fedex[05:50:53] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[05:50:58] <helf|laptop> l_n, hm. im not sure this pci card is bootable. ill have to double check it[05:51:18] <l_n> that would be the important thing.. stupid computer won't boot off of the secondary bus[05:51:31] <l_n> even though i completely disabled the primary in the bios.[05:51:36] <helf|laptop> two internal sata connectors, single ide bus, external sata (not esata) connector[05:51:39] <helf|laptop> thats bizarre[05:51:59] <helf|laptop> yeah, ill see if itll boot up in a second.[05:52:01] <l_n> agreed.[05:52:16] <l_n> and i can't boot off of a usb stick, either.[05:53:15] *** OmniMancer2 has joined #haiku[05:53:24] <l_n> bios isn't quite new enough (i think maybe one or two gens off from usb booting)[05:53:37] <helf|laptop> what gen is your pc?[05:53:42] <l_n> either just the ide bus died or the entire motherboard hates me now.[05:53:43] <helf|laptop> cpu generation, that is[05:53:59] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[05:54:32] <l_n> it's an amd 1.0GHz proc.. can't remember the model.. i think it was one of the athlons that was out just before the 64 bit opterons came out.[05:55:32] *** Barrett has quit IRC[05:55:53] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[05:59:41] <geist> athlon xp[06:01:23] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[06:01:39] <helf|laptop> l_n, ah ok[06:01:55] <helf|laptop> and the card isnt bootable[06:01:59] <helf|laptop> just tried sata and ide disks on it[06:02:23] <helf|laptop> buuuut. I do have two Areca ARC-1110 sata raid cards :p but they arent cheap.[06:05:34] <l_n> hrm.. dunno.. i may just buy a $16 card from newegg and be done with it for now..[06:05:49] <l_n> i want to build a better machine at some point..[06:06:03] <l_n> btw, how were you going to connect to the s/36 if you picked up the whole thing?[06:06:35] <helf|laptop> in 10 years when i stumble across a free twinax cable and terminal[06:06:37] <helf|laptop> ;p[06:07:25] <l_n> i have a cable :P[06:07:33] <l_n> but no terminal[06:08:16] <helf|laptop> ah :)[06:08:20] <helf|laptop> I'll come up with something[06:08:36] <helf|laptop> cant be that hard to find a terminal[06:09:28] <l_n> you'd be surprised.[06:10:04] * l_n glares at google for not accepting regexes as search parameters (or at least not in a way that's painfully obvious)[06:10:35] <helf|laptop> dear god[06:10:44] <helf|laptop> found one company that sells refurbed terminals[06:10:51] <helf|laptop> freaking expensive[06:10:56] <helf|laptop> ill just haunt ebay and score one later[06:11:33] <helf|laptop> I'll put the s/36 next to my two other ginarmous computers that aren't of much use and weigh a ton.[06:11:39] <l_n> i thought the same thing.. they're still almost prohibitively expensive.[06:14:20] <helf|laptop> l_n, theres this - http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Macintosh-II-Apple-Coax-Twinax-Card-NEUVE-emballee_W0QQitemZ320496735411[06:14:22] <helf|laptop> :)[06:14:23] *** PathagenX has joined #haiku[06:14:26] <helf|laptop> pop it in my IIci[06:15:44] <helf|laptop> I thought I had another pci ide controller floating around[06:17:11] <helf|laptop> l_n, want a pci scsi card and a scsi drive? :p[06:17:35] <helf|laptop> could at least use it as a jump off point to booting linux on a sata disk via the other controller[06:26:04] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[06:47:18] <MattLacey|Coffee> man it's like a breath of fresh air using Haiku with a decent browser[06:48:03] *** MattLacey|Coffee is now known as MattLacey[06:50:35] <helf|laptop> night[06:50:55] <MattLacey> night man[07:13:13] *** davep has joined #haiku[07:13:44] *** davep has left #haiku[07:14:05] *** DDevine has joined #haiku[07:37:02] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[07:44:33] <MattLacey> Oooho[07:44:39] <MattLacey> dev.haiku-os.org is back up :)[07:45:49] *** blitzkrieg has quit IRC[07:51:45] <largo> woo! :D[07:53:51] <MattLacey> nuts[07:54:05] <MattLacey> none of the standard screensavers seem to use directdraw stuff[07:55:53] *** fhein has joined #haiku[07:59:20] <MattLacey> wow[07:59:20] <MattLacey> http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR024.loop.shtml#skip[07:59:25] <MattLacey> big storm cometh[08:00:06] <geist> woot[08:00:16] <geist> storms are great[08:01:41] <MattLacey> hoping we get some good lightning, though I don't get a good view here for pics :([08:02:01] <MattLacey> would go out in the car but yesterday there were tennis ball sized hail stones coming down in places so think it's best not to[08:02:32] <largo> dead silent here. all the storms must have left here to gang up on you. ;)[08:03:39] <largo> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5irx9F-x9r-6Q6veA1mzYEc0rz6swD9E9337O1[08:03:54] <largo> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/03/07/2838825.htm?section=justin[08:04:10] <largo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7FInNO1hXM[08:04:12] <largo> that's nuts.[08:06:25] <MattLacey> I didn't realise how bad it was yesterday til I saw the papers today[08:06:33] <MattLacey> where I am just got a whole pile of heavy rain +thuner[08:06:34] <MattLacey> thunder[08:06:41] <MattLacey> unlikely to flood too since the sea is down the road[08:13:51] *** Nozy has quit IRC[08:17:07] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[08:18:50] *** surround1r has quit IRC[08:22:46] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[08:47:24] *** diogen has joined #haiku[08:51:04] *** PathagenX has quit IRC[08:51:18] *** _Qeos_ has joined #haiku[08:52:37] *** |Qeos| has quit IRC[08:56:28] *** MattLacey has quit IRC[08:59:59] *** MattLacey has joined #haiku[09:00:04] <MattLacey> bah - stupid virtualbox[09:00:21] * MattLacey tried to reload a page in Webpositive but pressed command-R and rebooted the virtual machine instead[09:07:45] <OmniMancer2> :P[09:12:28] <largo> MattLacey: I run straight on the hardware. ;) I don't have that issue.[09:14:32] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[09:16:23] <MattLacey> I would run on straight hardware but I'm waiting for wireless to get properly sorted[09:16:40] <MattLacey> also it's a bit easier to just download a nightly build and install over the top without having to burn CDs etc.[09:17:58] *** Andrius has quit IRC[09:20:13] *** diogen has quit IRC[09:20:27] <largo> MattLacey: true. :/ that's kind of the boat I've landed myself in by installing to the hardware. :([09:20:42] *** diogen has joined #haiku[09:27:52] *** carlll has joined #haiku[09:28:24] <carlll> can i get a free cd instead of the ISO file[09:28:38] <carlll> ?[09:30:09] <MattLacey> I'd offer to send you one but I don't have any CDs :([09:34:08] <largo> carlll: no cd burner?[09:34:31] <OmniMancer2> MattLacey: I have a pair of partitions[09:34:44] <OmniMancer2> one just big enough for the nightly[09:34:49] <OmniMancer2> one the actual size[09:34:57] <OmniMancer2> and I also have a linux install but...[09:35:09] <OmniMancer2> then I use the linux to dd the nightly raw image to the temp partition[09:35:10] *** MattLacey has quit IRC[09:35:23] <OmniMancer2> then I boot that and install onto the permanent partition[09:36:02] <largo> OmniMancer2: hrm.. that's an interesting way to do it. Maybe I should shave a chunk off my 75GB Haiku partition for that. ;)[09:36:03] *** mbrumbelow has quit IRC[09:36:17] <largo> save me wasting so many CDRs.[09:36:25] *** MattLacey has joined #haiku[09:36:28] <largo> the whole USB stick route is a bit of a pain. :([09:36:36] <MattLacey> bah[09:36:36] <MattLacey> crashed[09:36:42] <MattLacey> at least it reboots in a few seconds :)[09:36:56] <MattLacey> why not use VirtualBox or something?[09:37:23] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[09:38:43] <Lelldorin1> hi all[09:38:50] <largo> something more "cool" about using actual hardware. ;)[09:38:59] <largo> too often I can't... so when I can it's nice.[09:39:43] <largo> (I've been mucking around with things like Plan 9, NEXTSTEP, etc in VMs. it's nice to have a nice OS for a change that I can install to hardware.)[09:40:01] <largo> I can install Plan 9 to hardware... but.. *twitch*...[09:40:09] <largo> not my cup of tea.[09:40:59] <largo> lot of awesome technical ideas... but it's a real text oriented guru level type OS in my opinion. Neither of which term very accurately describe me. ;)[09:41:13] <MattLacey> lol[09:41:20] <MattLacey> Haiku is the perfect OS[09:41:23] <MattLacey> well, almost :)[09:41:27] <MattLacey> I'm sure it'll get there[09:42:55] <largo> :)[09:43:11] <largo> it's quite impressive already. I just hope it continues in that direction.[09:43:47] <largo> 12 years of linux hasn't given me much hope because of some of the things they consider their core strengths, I consider weaknesses.[09:43:57] <largo> the inconsistency mainly.[09:44:10] <largo> I don't want to have to work so hard to use it.[09:44:59] <MattLacey> aye[09:45:04] <MattLacey> linux can be ok but it's also a mess[09:45:08] <MattLacey> Haiku is all nicely integrated[09:45:25] <MattLacey> now it's really getting up to speed I think it can only get better from here[09:45:31] <largo> righto.[09:46:00] <MattLacey> the project has got passed the hurdles which could have killed it[09:46:05] <MattLacey> which is awesome[09:46:28] <MattLacey> so nice to be using this system again :)[09:46:34] <carlll> largo: no i have a SUPER slow internet[09:46:44] <MattLacey> the last time I had a reasonable BeOS install was about 5 years ago[09:47:12] <largo> carlll: ah.. gotcha. :([09:47:34] <largo> I remember back in the day... taking a week to download a windows 98 iso (I think that's which one it was).[09:47:44] <MattLacey> haha[09:47:51] <carlll> lol what is your down speed?[09:48:01] <largo> now? 10mbit down, 1mbit up.[09:48:07] <carlll> OMG[09:48:11] <MattLacey> I remeber when I got ISDN and I could get an ISO in almost exactly 24 hours[09:48:13] <MattLacey> that was awesome[09:48:27] <carlll> mines about 50-70 kb[09:48:36] <largo> I was on dialup through about 2001 I think?[09:49:01] <MattLacey> yeah I first got broadband in 2001[09:49:05] <MattLacey> 640k connection[09:49:08] <MattLacey> seemd incredible at the time[09:49:26] <MattLacey> I actually moan if I get < 100 KB/sec these days[09:49:28] <largo> been on cable pretty much ever since... with a second ADSL line for web serving when I lived up north for awhile (and could afford 2 internet connections at once).[09:49:48] <largo> MattLacey: haha... same here. :P[09:49:54] <MattLacey> used to have a 20 mbit line in London, and the ISP hosted some linux distros on their own servers[09:49:59] <MattLacey> stuff used to come down at max speed[09:50:02] <MattLacey> ISOs in about 3 minutes :)[09:50:09] <largo> *swoon*[09:50:17] <carlll> brb[09:50:18] <MattLacey> actually ran out of disk space once because I thought I'd have enough time to clean up before the download finished[09:50:30] *** carlll has left #haiku[09:50:36] <largo> I worked at VA Linux (VA Software now) back around 2000... I remember 100mbit to the desktop when I was there... at the time it was mind bending.[09:50:40] <MattLacey> on ~8mbit now but Australia seems to get slow speeds to a lot of places[09:50:44] <MattLacey> ha ha[09:50:47] <MattLacey> yeah :)[09:51:02] <MattLacey> even going from coax networks to 10mbit ethernet was a revealation[09:51:17] <MattLacey> you could unplug cables without all the machines crashing![09:52:19] * MattLacey has just created a rather bizarre screen saver[09:52:27] <MattLacey> boids in 3d but just rendered as single pixels[09:52:35] <MattLacey> without clearing the buffer so I just get random looking trails[09:52:46] <largo> haha[09:56:38] <OmniMancer2> largo: I did it since I don't have CDRs to waste but I can deal with a little less disk space[09:56:57] *** carlll has joined #haiku[09:57:26] <carlll> k im back[09:58:04] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[09:59:29] <largo> OmniMancer2: I have the disk space... but I'm poor.. so I shouldn't be wasting the CDRs. so I'm pretty much in the same boat.[10:00:06] <carlll> largo[10:00:31] <carlll> did you say you could send me a cd?[10:00:44] <MattLacey> foooooooood[10:01:14] <largo> carlll: that wasn't me. (3:33:15 AM) MattLacey: I'd offer to send you one but I don't have any CDs :([10:01:36] <carlll> oh srry[10:01:51] <OmniMancer2> carlll: depending if you want to install it or not you could do it without CDs[10:02:15] <carlll> omnimancer2: no my internet is SUPER slow[10:02:59] <largo> OmniMancer2: yeah, his problem is connection speed to download.[10:04:55] *** MattLacey has quit IRC[10:05:34] <largo> WOOT! haiku-os.org is back up :D[10:07:15] *** mbrumbelow has joined #haiku[10:09:26] <OmniMancer2> yay[10:23:28] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[10:23:41] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[10:24:03] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[10:24:33] <carlll> OMG guess what!!!![10:25:03] <carlll> MY DOWNLOAD WAS DOWNLOADING AT......200+!!!!!![10:26:15] *** e-jones has joined #haiku[10:26:25] *** e-jones has quit IRC[10:26:57] <Nozy> nice[10:27:13] <OmniMancer2> :P[10:27:38] <Nozy> has someone got haiku to bulled on a Mac /[10:27:45] <Nozy> billed[10:27:53] <OmniMancer2> billed?[10:28:03] <OmniMancer2> you mean built?[10:28:09] <Nozy> yep sorry[10:28:10] <OmniMancer2> build[10:29:14] <Nozy> ok let me retry that has some got the haiku to build right on the new mac os[10:31:06] <carlll> .....[10:32:19] *** helf|laptop has quit IRC[10:32:22] <carlll> im guessing thats a no[10:32:58] <markos_> Nozy: or like the mathematician joke, at least one one person has managed to build right at least one revision of haiku on at least one revision of macos x...[10:33:30] <Nozy> hmm dam[10:33:30] <markos_> ;-)[10:33:53] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[10:35:22] <Nozy> may be I do in under virtualbox[10:35:39] <markos_> "An astronomer, a physicist and a mathematician are on a train in Scotland. The astronomer looks out of the window, sees a black sheep standing in a field, and remarks, "How odd. Scottish sheep are black." "No, no, no!" says the physicist. "Only some Scottish sheep are black." The mathematician rolls his eyes at his companions' muddled thinking and says, "In Scotland, there is at least one sheep, at least one side of which looks black."[10:37:21] <carlll> my down just finished[10:37:43] <carlll> BUT i dont have any cd's :'([10:38:32] <OmniMancer2> markos_: I seem to remember the physicist being the last one[10:39:15] <OmniMancer2> carlll: do you have a linux live cd?[10:39:30] <carlll> actually i might[10:39:34] <OmniMancer2> if you do[10:39:37] <carlll> ubuntu i think[10:39:43] <OmniMancer2> chuck the image on a USB stick[10:39:48] <OmniMancer2> boot the live cd[10:40:27] <carlll> but what does the linux live cd have to do with it?[10:40:29] <OmniMancer2> I just realised you will need a bootloader...[10:40:38] <OmniMancer2> it will give you the dd tool :P[10:40:48] <OmniMancer2> otherwise if it can boot off a usb stick and you have a spare one[10:40:50] <OmniMancer2> try that[10:41:34] <carlll> ...well i also dont have a usb stick with enough memory :([10:41:47] <carlll> i have a 256 mb only[10:42:53] *** PathagenX has joined #haiku[10:43:19] <carlll> is there a way for me to install it on my computer WITHOUT a cd or usb?[10:45:19] <carlll> omnimancer2: ?[10:47:09] <geist> i would generally assume no[10:47:16] <geist> unless you have linux on it and you can install from linux[10:47:38] <carlll> i have linux: ubuntu and vista[10:49:27] <carlll> geist: how would i go about doing this: "you can install from linux"?[10:50:59] <geist> can't really explain, it's pretty complicated[10:51:05] <carlll> DANG[10:51:44] <carlll> O well, i probably wouldn't understand the first part of it.[10:52:40] <carlll> im terrible with computers[10:54:32] <OmniMancer2> carlll: it involves making partitions dding images to them and then booting that image then using it to install to another partition[10:55:53] <idefix_xifedi> isn't it also possible to load the cd in a virtual machine that also sees the raw hd?[10:58:14] <OmniMancer2> maybe[10:58:23] <OmniMancer2> but explaining that is probably even more complicated[11:01:09] <idefix_xifedi> you could be right :)[11:05:50] *** diogen has quit IRC[11:06:15] *** The123king has joined #haiku[11:10:09] *** killermouse0 has joined #haiku[11:13:27] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[11:13:30] *** carlll has left #haiku[11:14:05] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[11:23:14] *** margiolas has joined #haiku[11:31:54] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[11:32:22] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[11:33:19] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[11:36:57] *** kirilla has quit IRC[11:37:29] *** PathagenX has quit IRC[11:39:42] <The123king> Is Colin ever in the IRC? I've found some (unnoficial) rt2860/rt2870 drivers for all those people interested in running Haiku on their eeepc 901's :D[11:42:12] <The123king> http://repo.or.cz/w/ralink_drivers.git[11:43:43] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[11:49:50] <OmniMancer2> if I had a dollar for every time someone asked if colin ever came on irc[11:50:24] <The123king> i'll go hunt down his email....[11:52:22] *** Nozy has quit IRC[11:53:41] *** mbrumbelow has quit IRC[11:55:29] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[12:07:04] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[12:10:55] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[12:17:37] *** surround1r has joined #haiku[12:19:23] <kirilla> slow development these last few days[12:20:02] *** Ola has joined #haiku[12:20:16] <kirilla> maybe the spring weather[12:20:25] *** Ola is now known as OlaHughson[12:20:36] <OmniMancer2> naughty spring weather[12:20:53] <kirilla> naughty is in the eye of the beholder ;)[12:21:19] *** surrounder has quit IRC[12:25:23] <CIA-50> laplace * r35771 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/bootman/ (16 files):[12:25:24] <CIA-50> * Localized.[12:25:24] <CIA-50> * Text of boot menu items is encoded using code page 437 (for example[12:25:24] <CIA-50> umlaute can now be used).[12:25:24] <CIA-50> * On the last wizard page before writing the boot menu a preview is[12:25:24] <CIA-50> shown of the boot menu items.[12:25:24] <CIA-50> * Enforce menu item size limit of 70 bytes.[12:30:19] *** cssvb94 has joined #haiku[12:31:48] <cssvb94> does anybody knows how to use atheros wifi driver, it doesn't show in syslog detection. btw cvs build[12:33:45] <largo> do you know which chipset your wifi uses?[12:34:19] <largo> the specific number I mean.[12:34:33] <largo> (I also have an atheros chipset.)[12:38:44] *** killermouse0 has quit IRC[12:38:51] <kirilla> listdev should show the PCI id of your device[12:39:24] <kirilla> that id should be in the source of the driver, if the driver supports the hardware[12:39:54] <kirilla> if it doesn't show up in the syslog there's probably a mismatch[12:40:38] <cssvb94> yep just to power up the laptop[12:41:30] <cssvb94> and how to include into the build the firmware if required not having inet connection under haiku?[12:41:56] <kirilla> heh[12:42:05] <kirilla> wired first run maybe[12:42:38] <kirilla> there are legal issues with distributing some firmware[12:42:40] <cssvb94> doesn't work either[12:43:01] <kirilla> believe me, we would like to distribute everything that makes life easier for everyone[12:43:08] <largo> I didn't think the atheros based cards required firmware pulling.[12:43:19] <cssvb94> nice if it doesn't[12:43:24] <largo> broadcom's generally seem to.[12:43:28] <kirilla> largo: I don't know about those specifically[12:43:32] <largo> but I don't recall seeing atheros cards needing it.[12:43:42] <cssvb94> ok Atheros ven:168c dev 001a[12:43:50] <largo> don't quote me on that... I have no idea really. :) just my shaky memory.[12:43:56] <kirilla> http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/xref/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/network/wlan/atheroswifi/dev/ath/ath_hal/[12:44:11] <kirilla> http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/xref/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/network/wlan/atheroswifi/dev/ath/ath_hal/ah_devid.h[12:44:41] <kirilla> 64 #define AR5212_AR2413 0x001a /* AR2413 aka Griffin-lite */[12:44:51] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[12:45:08] <kirilla> I'm guessing this means it should be supported[12:45:28] <kirilla> no "ath" in syslog?[12:45:56] <kirilla> I don't have any wifi myself[12:46:14] <cssvb94> it shows that way, but ... I remember when wifi stack was still under development ath was the first driver supported[12:46:52] <cssvb94> I've downloaded the test package and made it work, since it is merged into svn tree it doesn't[12:47:17] <largo> cssvb94: are you using the latest Haiku build?[12:47:47] <cssvb94> initially it's not shown into syslog, trying to remove file then putting it back shows that the driver starts init procedure, but then fails[12:48:05] <cssvb94> yes, the latest svn then build under ubuntu[12:48:19] <cssvb94> built =) sorry[12:49:36] <kirilla> does it say anything informative when it fails?[12:50:02] <cssvb94> my ethernet is Broadcom ven:14e4 dev:170c BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX, not initialized also during boot[12:50:14] <cssvb94> sec, i'll paste that part[12:50:35] <HeTo> is code page 437 on the video card everywhere in the world?[12:50:45] <cssvb94> btw, my build is rev 35761[12:51:03] <HeTo> at least I recall using code page 850 in DOS in Finland, but the font for that code page may have been loaded by mode[12:54:19] <kirilla> seems a bit unnecessary to add support umlauts if e.g. japanese, russian, greek, etc are impossible to support in the boot menu[12:55:16] <kirilla> 7-bit ascii for everyone ;P[12:55:58] <HeTo> how much room do we have for bootman?[12:56:32] <cssvb94> @kirilla ath failure just pasted in chat[12:57:01] <HeTo> maybe a font could be added after the bootman code, that would at least allow support for any 8-bit character encoding[12:57:12] <kirilla> HeTo: it's already spilling over the initial 512 bytes[12:57:22] <HeTo> like Russian, Greek, or halfwidth katakana for Japanese[12:59:51] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[13:02:11] <kirilla> maybe we should make a fullblown Grub replacement :))[13:04:30] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[13:05:13] <kirilla> then at last could we fit everything people want, including plush penguins and skimpy manga[13:05:44] <CIA-50> stippi * r35772 /haiku/trunk/ (13 files in 7 dirs): (log message trimmed)[13:05:45] <CIA-50> * Indentation update in DateTime.h[13:05:45] <CIA-50> * Extended BTime, BDate and BDateTime with archiving functionality.[13:05:45] <CIA-50> * Adjusted code which uses these classes, since including DateTime.h[13:05:45] <CIA-50> already imports the classes from the BPrivate namespace.[13:05:45] <CIA-50> * Moved DateTime.h into Support Kit. It is still in the BPrivate namespace,[13:05:46] <CIA-50> as I am uncertain what to do with time_type and diff_type. I'd favor[13:07:18] *** ianj has joined #haiku[13:12:08] *** dakdagi has joined #haiku[13:15:58] <kirilla> bbl[13:16:01] *** kirilla has quit IRC[13:19:30] *** OmniMancer2 has quit IRC[13:20:12] *** Advant_ has quit IRC[13:25:22] *** Advant_ has joined #haiku[13:33:48] *** wildur has joined #haiku[13:34:18] *** peerkoel has quit IRC[13:36:23] *** saivert has quit IRC[13:37:57] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[13:42:58] <CIA-50> laplace * r35773 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/bootman/EntryPage.cpp:[13:42:58] <CIA-50> Corrected copy&paster error. The "Uninstall" option contained the same[13:42:58] <CIA-50> text as the "Install" option.[13:43:59] <CIA-50> laplace * r35774 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/bootman/LegacyBootDrive.cpp: Added comment where 'Unknown' text is used.[13:45:16] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[13:45:26] *** Dean_C has joined #haiku[13:45:33] <Nozy> hi all[13:45:38] <CIA-50> laplace * r35775 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/bootman/BootManagerController.cpp: Simplified translation text handling.[13:51:58] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[13:55:46] *** peerkoel has joined #haiku[13:57:18] *** ianj has quit IRC[13:58:38] *** ianj has joined #haiku[14:01:55] *** Cian has joined #haiku[14:04:55] *** lorglas_laptop has joined #haiku[14:06:22] *** GeneralMaximus has joined #haiku[14:10:47] *** lorglas_laptop has quit IRC[14:10:57] *** J-Ho has quit IRC[14:12:06] *** leszek has joined #haiku[14:12:35] <leszek> hi[14:12:41] *** ChronoZ has joined #haiku[14:13:05] *** Colin_Finck is now known as Colin_Finck|afk[14:16:43] *** stargater has joined #haiku[14:16:45] <stargater> hi[14:20:51] *** petterhj-___ has joined #haiku[14:24:30] *** Colin_Finck|afk is now known as Colin_Finck[14:24:56] *** cssvb94 has quit IRC[14:25:08] *** murakawa has joined #haiku[14:25:13] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[14:27:13] *** oco has joined #haiku[14:29:32] <l_n> yay. i'm awake again.[14:29:42] * l_n thinks it'll be a good day because of that.[14:30:15] <murakawa> That's sound good.[14:31:56] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[14:32:15] <Nozy> is wireless up and running on haiku ?[14:32:37] <Nozy> install nice and is running nice on a 701SD[14:34:18] *** Dean_C has quit IRC[14:35:15] <l_n> Nozy: wireless depends upon which card you have..[14:35:24] <l_n> but, yes, it's working for unsecured networks[14:35:37] <Nozy> hmmm dam[14:38:51] <Cian> did someone not knock something together that'd set WEP for some cards?[14:39:53] *** ChronoZ has quit IRC[14:42:34] <l_n> i haven't seen it.. colin would know more.. or check the ML[14:42:58] <Nozy> ok all need sleep have a good day[14:43:14] *** Nozy has quit IRC[14:45:26] *** stargater has quit IRC[14:47:54] *** fhein has quit IRC[15:05:05] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[15:19:16] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[15:20:30] *** voodoor has joined #haiku[15:22:38] <voodoor> I've got a mini 10 w/ GMA950 gfx - safe mode boot lists 800x576 as a resolution (I should also be able to do 1024x576) but I can only boot 640x480 under the latest nightly raw image. Any suggestions before I report this as a bug?[15:22:40] *** Cian has quit IRC[15:23:47] *** ablestable has joined #haiku[15:24:01] <voodoor> If I choose 800x576 it only gets as far as the rocket icon[15:24:09] *** ablestable has left #haiku[15:26:26] *** bradct has joined #haiku[15:26:55] *** Auronandace has joined #haiku[15:27:20] <bradct> should a suppored ethernet card just work when plugged into a haiku system? i've tried a few i hace laying around and none work, im wonderin if they are unsupported or if im doing something wrong[15:28:32] <voodoor> bradct: Does it list it under the network tool?[15:28:37] *** mbrumbelow has joined #haiku[15:28:54] <voodoor> your eth card, that it?[15:29:25] *** murakawa has quit IRC[15:29:51] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[15:29:52] <voodoor> Most eth cards I've tried have worked, both DHCP and static[15:32:09] *** voodoor has quit IRC[15:36:11] *** saivert has joined #haiku[15:36:57] <bradct> ya just the ethernet is not working... i was surprised when i got sound out of the box but not network lol[15:37:27] <bradct> tried 3 differnt cards all seem to be unsupported :-/[15:38:30] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[15:49:22] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[15:50:06] *** Ola has joined #haiku[15:50:20] *** Ola is now known as OlaHughson[15:51:09] <leszek> bradct, thats bad luck, all my systems run well , everything is detected :)[15:52:57] *** murakawa has joined #haiku[15:54:46] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[15:55:15] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[15:56:21] *** mvfranz has joined #haiku[15:58:55] *** kitallis has quit IRC[16:00:28] *** Garfield32 has joined #haiku[16:01:28] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[16:01:59] *** Garfield32 has left #haiku[16:04:20] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[16:04:26] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[16:05:06] *** Cian has joined #haiku[16:13:35] *** bradct has quit IRC[16:16:04] *** peerkoel has quit IRC[16:17:34] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[16:17:34] *** surround1r has quit IRC[16:19:22] *** bradct has joined #haiku[16:21:50] *** Cian has quit IRC[16:22:21] *** margiolas has quit IRC[16:22:35] *** surround1r has joined #haiku[16:22:49] *** surrounder has quit IRC[16:25:53] *** GeneralMaximus has quit IRC[16:30:46] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[16:36:22] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[16:37:37] <The123king> do nightlies boot again?[16:37:58] <Auronandace> i'm using a nightly[16:38:04] <Auronandace> it boots fine[16:38:13] <The123king> from when?[16:38:13] <Auronandace> r35770[16:38:18] <mmadia> 35770 & 35765 ISO weren't created properly, they've been since taken down.[16:38:41] <Auronandace> the raw images were fine though[16:39:30] <The123king> oh, ok. I was thinking of updating my bootable USB and trying to compile those ralink drivers i found.[16:41:46] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[16:42:21] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[16:43:03] *** markos_ has quit IRC[16:43:29] *** petterhj-___ has quit IRC[16:44:06] *** petterhj-___ has joined #haiku[16:44:16] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[16:46:34] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[16:53:19] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[16:56:05] *** petterhj-___ has quit IRC[16:56:24] *** petterhj-___ has joined #haiku[16:58:38] *** helf|laptop has joined #haiku[16:59:45] *** Cian has joined #haiku[17:02:47] *** mmadia has quit IRC[17:04:36] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[17:05:34] <mmadia> luroh : it seems the issue is FreeBSD 8.0 itself.[17:06:02] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[17:07:01] <mmadia> it creates the ISO file, but the ISO cannot detect its partition of Haiku.[17:07:29] *** idefix_xifedi has quit IRC[17:08:50] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[17:10:47] *** van_pelt has joined #haiku[17:12:27] *** Andrius has quit IRC[17:14:00] *** kitallis has quit IRC[17:15:37] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[17:18:30] *** oco has quit IRC[17:19:43] <mmadia> has anyone built & booted @nightly-cd or @alpha-cd from within Haiku recently?[17:22:56] <Kokito> running 35768 mmadia[17:23:17] <Kokito> I cross compile though[17:25:01] *** brechtm has joined #haiku[17:25:07] <brechtm> hi[17:25:37] <mmadia> hi brechtm, how've you been?[17:25:43] <brechtm> great to see WebPositive![17:25:47] <brechtm> mmadia: hi[17:25:59] <brechtm> mmadia: busy :)[17:27:30] <brechtm> mmadia: more work I guess, so I feel less like programming in the evening[17:27:48] <brechtm> but decided to bring my Haiku installation up to date again[17:27:53] <mmadia> work is good.[17:28:01] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[17:28:26] <brechtm> and perhaps try to fix some smaller bugs instead of starting larger projects such as assignfs[17:28:41] <brechtm> I see haikuports is going well too[17:28:44] <mmadia> what's assignFS for again?[17:29:06] <brechtm> copy some useful behaviour from AmigaOS[17:29:33] <brechtm> and was a candidate for the package management system, but I think I was the only one convinced of that :)[17:32:43] <PulkoMandy> I was too :)[17:32:53] <brechtm> thanks, PulkoMandy :)[17:33:13] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[17:33:16] * mmadia still isn't sure what it would be ;)[17:33:21] <PulkoMandy> there's still nothing being done for the package manager... the design is so great everyone fears writing any code :)[17:33:37] <mmadia> no, ingo implemented most of it.[17:33:39] <PulkoMandy> mmadia, basically it allows you to mount multiple directories in a single mountpoint[17:33:45] <brechtm> mmadia: the difference with the packagefs isn't that large though[17:33:50] <mmadia> the unionFS needs to be done.[17:33:56] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[17:34:07] <PulkoMandy> on the amiga it was used to handle the "path" as a regular volume[17:34:08] <brechtm> I thought that was implemented already,no?[17:34:24] <humdinger> hi guys.[17:34:26] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[17:34:30] <brechtm> what is implemented, then?[17:34:34] <Lelldorin1> hi humdinger[17:34:36] <Lelldorin1> hi all[17:34:42] <brechtm> just the package format, perhaps?[17:34:45] <brechtm> hi humdinger[17:35:05] <mmadia> http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/R1/ImprovementsSinceAlpha1 has some details on PackageFS[17:35:12] <humdinger> Has anyone tried QuickLaunch and can answer my usage question at http://www.haikuware.com/remository/view-details/utilities/desktop-accessories/quicklaunchgcc2#comment-4860 ?[17:35:33] <mmadia> http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/FutureHaikuFeatures#Packagemanager too.[17:36:01] *** andreas_dr4006 has joined #haiku[17:36:06] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[17:36:15] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[17:37:01] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[17:38:47] <brechtm> mmadia: I see there have been some changes to haikuports[17:38:52] <brechtm> haikuporter, even[17:39:03] <mmadia> yes, auggiedoggie aka cpr420 has been quite busy.[17:39:48] <brechtm> I once planned to do away with the bep files and fetch the related info from the HP site directly[17:40:04] <mmadia> though, with the recent talks of outsourcing more programs (from the haiku repository to optional/mandatory packages) im wondering if something like AndreasF's jamfile system is more appropriate.[17:40:10] <brechtm> I'll first send an email the the ML before starting on that[17:40:49] *** van_pelt has quit IRC[17:40:54] <brechtm> mmadia: ah yes, I'm not up to date on that[17:41:35] <mmadia> like, ideally, i would love HaikuPorts to have the option of plugging into haiku's build system[17:42:30] <mmadia> basically, AndreasF did some work but ran into two key issues: generated files having full paths that reflect the host environment and not /boot/....[17:42:45] <mmadia> and something with linking to sysroot[17:44:17] *** mmadia has quit IRC[17:44:45] <brechtm> gotta go, bbl[17:44:49] *** brechtm has quit IRC[17:45:48] *** 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boot newer nightlies and i cant see what since the screen is in standby[18:26:29] <leszek> bradct, an old crt monitor ?[18:27:26] *** fhein has joined #haiku[18:29:12] <bradct> ya its a CRT[18:29:46] *** petterhj-___ has quit IRC[18:29:56] <leszek> than it might be that the bootsplash switches to a too high resolution for your crt[18:30:33] <humdinger> Shouldn't the bootsplash always use VESA?[18:30:37] <PulkoMandy> yes[18:30:47] <PulkoMandy> but it'll use the highest available resolution[18:30:55] <PulkoMandy> that may be out of range for the crt in some case[18:31:14] <humdinger> Maybe your graphics card is using some messed up VESA mode[18:31:33] <PulkoMandy> you can try selecting another mode in the boot menu[18:31:49] <humdinger> which bradct doesn't see... :)[18:33:20] <PulkoMandy> the menu is in plain vga mode so it must always work[18:33:43] <PulkoMandy> but you have to press shift (or space in older revs. of haiku) to get to it[18:33:44] <humdinger> ic.[18:33:59] <bradct> ill give it a try[18:33:59] <leszek> space should work[18:34:30] *** mmlr_mc is now known as mmlr_away[18:34:35] <leszek> bradct, on very old crts it helps to turn them off and on again , they will reinitialize (if they don't have a special button for that)[18:34:36] <PulkoMandy> i think it's space in the alpha and shift in the nightlies[18:37:01] <humdinger> space should still work, I think.[18:39:52] *** mbrumbelow has quit IRC[18:40:27] <bradct> safe mode and safe video mode still dont give me a bootsplash[18:40:53] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[18:41:00] <humdinger> bradct: have you set the resolution explicitely?[18:41:13] <bradct> how do i do that?[18:41:34] <humdinger> It's another menu under the the safe mode settings or something...[18:42:21] <humdinger> Select fail safe video mode. If you had to activate the option Use fail-safe video mode, you can set resolution and color depth.[18:42:23] <PulkoMandy> "failsafe video mode" makes the desktop use the same resolution as the bootsplash[18:42:40] <PulkoMandy> so if you don't do more it won't make it any better[18:43:04] <humdinger> oh[18:43:33] <PulkoMandy> selecting a proper video mode will help, however :)[18:44:13] <humdinger> maybe there's something in the syslog showing what's wrong with showing the bootsplash[18:44:48] <PulkoMandy> yes, that's worth checking[18:45:42] <humdinger> Normally, the problem is the other way around: bootsplash OK, and the running system not showing properly... :[18:46:54] <PulkoMandy> I guess we're going to get more problems with vesa as times passes[18:47:24] <PulkoMandy> that is until Haiku switches to EFI... which isn't really planned :)[18:51:27] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[18:53:46] *** fhein has quit IRC[18:55:31] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[18:56:39] *** stargater has joined #haiku[18:56:42] <stargater> hi[18:57:56] *** Colin_Finck is now known as Colin_Finck|afk[19:02:42] <vooshy> stargater: hi[19:03:53] *** korli has joined #haiku[19:03:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[19:11:10] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[19:12:08] *** murakawa has quit IRC[19:12:37] *** korli has quit IRC[19:14:46] *** Colin_Finck|afk is now known as Colin_Finck[19:15:02] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[19:23:17] *** korli has joined #haiku[19:23:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[19:24:30] <stargater> hi vooshy[19:24:46] *** m0ns00n_ has joined #haiku[19:24:47] <m0ns00n_> :D[19:24:52] <helf|laptop> hey[19:25:09] *** S_2010 has joined #haiku[19:25:38] <kitallis> anyone successfully compiled llvm on haiku?[19:27:38] <Disreali> I heard somewhere that it has been done, but do not remember the link[19:27:53] <mmadia> ... echelog may have it in the irc logs.[19:30:29] *** Dean_C has joined #haiku[19:30:49] <stargater> hi mmadia[19:30:52] <Disreali> kitallis, this may suggest that someone is adding haiku support http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.compilers.llvm.cvs/68094[19:31:44] <kitallis> oh, nice, thanks, Disreali[19:31:58] <Disreali> google is your friend[19:32:32] *** peerkoel has joined #haiku[19:32:58] <vooshy> http://echelog.com/logs/browse/haiku/1263855600 Drax says at the end OmniMancer has compiled it[19:34:01] <kitallis> yeah, just saw.[19:34:29] <kitallis> okay, nice, if llvmn, works should try out compiling rubinius[19:35:33] <stargater> oh nice http://llvm.org/demo/index.cgi[19:38:04] <Disreali> kitallis, i remember that aljen was working with llvm at one point[19:38:15] *** Dean_C has quit IRC[19:39:52] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[19:40:19] <mmadia> hey kirilla ... the mystery of the failing ISO continues on :|[19:41:26] <kirilla> hi mmadia[19:41:37] <kirilla> that's strange[19:41:38] <mmadia> it seems to be local to FreeBSD 8.0 itself.[19:41:59] <kirilla> have other people confirmed my/our problems?[19:42:06] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[19:42:36] <mmadia> Rene built an iso from his FreeBSD 8.0 machine -- same exact issue. here's the rest of my notes so far : http://haiku.pastebin.com/CK2CfCXQ[19:43:27] <kirilla> anything sed-related? :P[19:43:37] <mmadia> har ;P[19:44:23] <kirilla> sorry :][19:45:25] <CIA-50> stippi * r35776 /haiku/trunk/data/artwork/cursors/ (27 files): Designed a whole bunch of cursors.[19:45:26] <kirilla> I never checked if the data track was mountable[19:45:33] <mmadia> it is.[19:47:01] <CIA-50> stippi * r35777 /haiku/trunk/data/artwork/cursors/ (ResizeNorthEast ResizeNorthWest): Fixed file name[19:47:35] <CIA-50> stippi * r35778 /haiku/trunk/data/artwork/cursors/ (ResizeNorthEast ResizeNothEast): Fixed file name.[19:48:29] <kirilla> You're in a cave, next to a sleeping Ogre. You can go North, East.: [blinking cursor][19:49:48] <kirilla> tickle Ogre?[19:51:39] *** E-WolfShade has joined #haiku[19:56:10] *** fhein has joined #haiku[19:56:15] <kirilla> anybody understand the purpose of weight in the layout api?[19:56:58] <kirilla> esp. the scale.. what's the meaning of weight = 0 and weight = 1, and are larger values valid?[19:57:48] *** Lynton has joined #haiku[20:01:18] *** oco has joined #haiku[20:02:49] *** S_2010 has quit IRC[20:03:09] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[20:04:19] <kirilla> mmadia: could it be something with the compression of the floppy?[20:04:38] <kirilla> or would it not even show the menu if there was an issue with that?[20:05:16] <kirilla> I know very little of how it works[20:06:54] <kirilla> fhein: Swedish?[20:07:15] <fhein> yup[20:07:40] <kirilla> me too. We've got an anorexic #haiku-se[20:08:07] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[20:08:13] <fhein> heh, I can imagine.. even if there's plenty of idlers in here, it rarely feels crowded :)[20:09:12] <kirilla> yeah, I find it a nice hangout most of the time[20:09:32] <mmadia> kirilla : do you know where/when the floppy gets compressed?[20:09:42] <kirilla> mmadia: can't say I do[20:10:42] <kirilla> The #ubuntu channel their xchat drops you in is pure madness.[20:12:37] <kirilla> looking at build/jam/FloppyBoot/Image[20:12:47] <kirilla> eh.. drop that last /[20:15:31] <OmniMancer> kitallis: it did compile once upon a time, not sure about now[20:17:49] *** surround1r has quit IRC[20:17:58] <mmadia> kirilla : isn't haiku-floppyboot.tgz used to make haiku-boot-floppy.image ?[20:18:29] *** kitallis has left #haiku[20:18:32] <kirilla> mmadia: I can't find the meat, the invocation of a tool[20:18:58] <mmadia> build/scripts/build_tgz_archive most likely.[20:21:16] <kirilla> any changes to tar switches since the previous fbsd version?[20:21:34] <kirilla> tar -C $outputDir -czf $archive $contents || exit 1[20:21:54] <mmadia> ... i'm wondering because when i take FreeBSD 8.0's haiku-boot-floppy.image and use it with the generated/tmp/cdsource on Haiku, it boots successfully.[20:22:10] <kirilla> I suppose it would fail if some switch got pulled[20:22:18] <stargater> humdinger, da ?[20:22:35] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[20:23:14] *** sil2100 has joined #haiku[20:23:31] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[20:24:08] *** Megaf_ has joined #haiku[20:24:31] * mmadia takes a nap.[20:25:05] * kirilla reboots[20:25:09] *** kirilla has quit IRC[20:27:17] <Ingenu> .[20:31:31] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[20:31:33] <The123king> is wifi included in the nightlies?[20:32:46] <leszek> yes[20:34:05] <The123king> :D[20:34:38] <The123king> hehehehe, is Git?[20:34:53] <humdinger> Have to go.[20:35:00] <humdinger> see y'all![20:35:03] *** humdinger has quit IRC[20:35:07] <Disreali> git is not[20:35:26] <The123king> *rage*[20:35:37] <Megaf_> hi all, can anyone give me the latest zip download url of webpositive please?[20:35:45] <Megaf_> mmadia?[20:36:32] *** Sryche has joined #haiku[20:37:01] <Sryche> mmadia: what's the link for the webpositive nightly mirror? :x[20:37:07] <Kokito> http://mmlr.dyndns.org/chrome/site/nightlies[20:37:16] <Sryche> Kokito: thanks![20:37:45] <Kokito> np[20:38:25] <vooshy> The123king: installoptionalpackage -a git (run in terminal, will install)[20:38:35] <ahaaha> Kokito: File nightlies not found ?[20:39:19] <The123king> actually, nvm, found out how to download a .zip from this particular place[20:39:43] <vooshy> ahaaha: http://mmlr.dyndns.org/chrome/site/nightlies/index.html[20:39:57] *** stargater has quit IRC[20:40:02] <ahaaha> ups, thx[20:40:33] <Kokito> sorry, wrong URL ahaaha. try here http://mmlr.dyndns.org/chrome/site/nightlies/index.html[20:40:35] *** User_ has joined #haiku[20:41:08] <ahaaha> Kokito ;)[20:41:47] <User_> anyone here who has updated their Haiku installation by installing a newer version over the existing one?[20:42:10] <The123king> yeh[20:42:22] <The123king> should work flawlessly[20:42:45] <User_> something weird happened when I did it, got two trashcans and it says it uses ~6b of space[20:43:06] <User_> I used the latest raw image and installed from a flash[20:44:28] <User_> any simple way of zeroing out the partition and install again?[20:44:37] <The123king> that might be a problem then[20:45:07] <Kokito> User_, I believe the location of the trash folder was moved...[20:45:19] <Kokito> so it may be that your old installation is from prior to that change[20:45:40] <User_> ahh ok, that would explain the two trashcans[20:45:51] <User_> but the 6gb of used space?[20:46:12] <User_> yes my old installation was the official alpha[20:46:14] <Kokito> no clue :)[20:46:38] <User_> heh, weird. anyway I'll try and erase the data from the partition and install again[20:46:51] *** voodoor has joined #haiku[20:47:19] <The123king> i might have an issue myself then[20:47:28] <voodoor> Is there a video thumbnailer for tracker?[20:47:54] <DraX> don't think so, that might be a neat feature though[20:48:06] <The123king> i'm installing an iso to a USB drive (mounting the USB drive under vbox and installing to like a a hdd)[20:48:08] <DraX> i don't know what kind of codec support Media Kit actually has though[20:48:25] <voodoor> indeed it would- its about the only feature I miss in tracker[20:48:55] <The123king> did BeOS have it?[20:49:22] <DraX> not that i remember[20:50:07] <User_> image thumbnails would be great aswell, I think I recall Zeta had that[20:50:45] <mmlr_away> User_: you likely have an old swap file in the old location[20:50:50] *** mmlr_away is now known as mmlr_mc[20:51:06] *** S_2010 has joined #haiku[20:51:06] <mmlr_mc> it'd be in /boot/var[20:51:07] <voodoor> Does it not do image thumbnails either? Well I want that even more than video thumbnails![20:51:13] <User_> mmlr_away: ahh, ok. that would make sense I guess[20:51:24] <mmlr_mc> which is hidden by default, so you explicitly go to /boot/var in tracker and delete it[20:51:42] <mmlr_mc> or remove it from a terminal[20:51:56] <voodoor> Oh yes it doesn't- I remember I had to use album to do that[20:52:06] <User_> mmlr_mc: ahh I will write this down right now.[20:52:17] <User_> mmlr_mc: it makes sense, thanks[20:52:32] <mmlr_mc> using DiskUsage should make it obvious[20:52:57] *** helf has quit IRC[20:53:05] <mmlr_mc> as for the trash, find the one that isn't the virtual trash (i.e. the one without trash ops in the context menu) and just delete it[20:53:24] <mmlr_mc> if you pick the wrong one it'll alert you, so no worries[20:53:25] <User_> mmlr_mc: thanks[20:53:29] *** andreas_dr4006 has quit IRC[20:53:52] *** MegafHaiku has joined #haiku[20:54:06] *** Megaf_ has quit IRC[20:55:56] *** helf has joined #haiku[20:57:09] <voodoor> Anyone know how the ARM port is coming on? How does it compare to the current x86 Haiku?[20:58:04] <mmlr_mc> it does boot to a kernel debugger I think[20:58:12] <mmlr_mc> it's nowhere near done[20:58:21] <voodoor> Wow! Instant KDL eh?[20:58:23] <voodoor> :)[20:58:30] *** korli has quit IRC[20:59:42] <voodoor> I wasn't expecting a whole lot yet on ARM to be honest- but Pandora and N900 Haiku should cause multiple geek-gasms[21:00:50] <DraX> why would you brick your phone with an OS without telephony drivers or any real support for being a phone?[21:00:54] *** sprma has quit IRC[21:01:28] <voodoor> DraX: Oh come on! Thats hardly the spirit? You're joking right?[21:01:49] <DraX> no. i really don't get people installing alternative software on their phone at all[21:01:56] <helf> heh[21:01:59] <DraX> it's a phone. i need it to be a phone[21:02:07] <DraX> not an awesome haiku box!!!111!~~~one!!11[21:02:10] <voodoor> Why woulkd you not want a Haiku box in your pocket- even if it can't use 1/2 your hardware- its still cooler than a geek iceberg[21:02:12] *** peerkoel has quit IRC[21:02:28] <stpere> voodoor: how about hacking a pda?[21:02:31] <helf> theres a difference between "cool" and "this is pointless, i need a usable device now " :P[21:02:33] <stpere> wouldn't it make more sense?[21:02:38] <DraX> helf: +1[21:02:51] <helf> and Haiku isn't really designed for small screens, at least not at the moment[21:02:58] <DraX> i also don't think haiku is really intended for a pda or phone[21:03:02] <DraX> it's intended for a desktop[21:03:14] <helf> i can see it on old h/pcs like my jornada or mobile pro[21:03:26] <voodoor> You'd dual/ triple boot it of course. I've seen people dual-booting Maemo and Android on N900[21:03:28] <helf> it'd be nice on those if it could be made to run in such limited amounts of ram[21:04:05] <mmlr_mc> I think the target would eventually be ARM netbocks[21:04:06] <DraX> ``one second guys, i need to boot back into a real os so I can call the police since I just got my car stolen''[21:04:28] <mmlr_mc> installing it on phones would be rather pointless indeed[21:04:30] <stpere> mmlr_mc: yup[21:04:34] <stpere> I think so too[21:05:09] <mmlr_mc> concepts like using tracker to manage your file based emails wouldn't really work very well there[21:05:46] <helf> you also cant pinch zoom[21:05:49] <helf> and any phone MUST have that[21:05:50] <helf> ;)[21:05:57] *** peerkoel has joined #haiku[21:06:58] <DraX> i want a new phone :([21:07:03] <voodoor> I am surprised by the resistance to the idea. I see the N900 more as pocket computer than phone. Its prob got more horsepower than than the original bebox did[21:07:05] <DraX> except i don't really like anything out right now[21:07:35] <helf> voodoor, the original bebox had dual 66mhz 603 chips, so yes, im sure it does :p[21:07:35] <OmniMancer> helf: if you can't pinch zoom someone has not written the correct drivers yet :P[21:07:59] <helf> voodoor, theres only resistance to the idea because their is next to no point, at least at the moment[21:08:28] <helf> s/their/there/[21:08:58] <voodoor> atm yes, but in a couple of years time Haiku will likely perform better on a decent embedded platform like N900 / Pandora than a Linux and X combo[21:09:16] <voodoor> if your not bothered about phone functionality[21:09:45] <helf> possibly[21:09:51] <OmniMancer> then if it can be made to perform better you could perhaps bug nokia to fix the phone support :P[21:10:07] <DraX> actually nokia just released their modem drivers source in the symbian code drop[21:10:12] <voodoor> and there most certainly are people buying the N900 as pocket computer instead of a phone[21:10:13] <helf> other than media consumption, I dont see the point in trying to use a tablet for much of anything :p[21:10:22] <helf> and currnet OSes handle multimedia stuff fine[21:10:51] <helf> propping one up and using a BT keyboard is a bit insane. lol[21:10:58] <voodoor> tablet - yuk!#[21:11:09] <voodoor> ipad? Bleugh![21:11:59] <voodoor> and don't start me on cloud computing![21:12:29] <Ingenu> latency[21:12:46] <helf> voodoor, N900 = tablet[21:12:51] <Ingenu> iPad may be a good computer for dummies[21:12:56] <helf> Ingenu, yeah[21:13:07] <helf> i know some people that it is perfectly suited for[21:13:13] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[21:13:13] <voodoor> N900 = !tablet coz its got qwerty[21:13:25] <helf> n900 = tablet thath appens to have a slider keyboard[21:13:36] <Ingenu> I'm thinking about offering my mom one[21:13:46] <DraX> i'm pretty sure apple wants ipad to replace computers for morons[21:13:47] <helf> im hoping MS comes out with the courier[21:13:49] <helf> looks sweet[21:13:54] <voodoor> tablet to me has always equalled no keyboard, just touchscreen[21:13:57] <Ingenu> I don't like being locked on Apple shit though[21:14:02] <helf> Ingenu, yeah[21:14:27] <helf> The Courier is amazingly enough, what ive been hoping someone would put out. at least the demo videos appear to be[21:14:45] <DraX> apple is just pretty evil, like making it impossible to install rockbox on an ipod[21:14:49] <Ingenu> missed that one[21:15:26] * voodoor stunned at anti-pocket Haiku and pro-MS comments. Feels very alienated[21:16:00] <DraX> well both courier and windows phone 7 are remarkably un-MS like[21:16:11] <DraX> they actually have interesting and innovative features[21:16:23] <helf> voodoor, no, people here jsut arent fanbois of one product and one product only[21:16:23] <helf> :p[21:16:30] <voodoor> 'bout time they did something new-ish[21:16:32] <helf> DraX, yeah[21:16:47] <DraX> well same goes for the ipad, it's actually innovative and interesting[21:16:50] <DraX> not for me probably[21:16:55] <DraX> and i don't buy apple anyway[21:16:56] <helf> DraX, its like what happened to intel. sat on their laurels, started getting pummeled and decided to get their act in gear[21:17:08] <helf> the iPad is innovative? :p[21:17:09] <DraX> yup[21:17:12] <helf> how? its a stretched ipod touch[21:17:16] <DraX> software[21:17:19] <DraX> stuff like the nytimes app[21:17:29] <helf> its the same thats been on the iphone/touch[21:17:37] <DraX> and actually producing something that replaces a computer for some set of people[21:17:39] <voodoor> ipad is the weakest Apple product ever[21:17:41] <helf> the iPad is just an evolutionary product[21:17:53] <helf> well, i guess most computers are[21:18:06] <voodoor> it a tech laughing stock[21:18:06] <DraX> ipad is the first time apples released something that hasn't been done over and over in like 10 years[21:18:08] <helf> but, anyways, the iPad isn't that impressive.[21:18:32] <helf> DraX, its a touch thats larger. it has been done :p[21:18:41] <Ingenu> iPad = giant screen iPhone 3GS[21:18:42] <voodoor> ipad is a huge step back for Apple[21:18:53] <Ingenu> nothing innovative there[21:18:58] <DraX> huge screen is a big difference[21:19:02] <voodoor> lost a lot of cred with that joke of a device[21:19:06] * Ingenu agreed[21:19:07] <helf> but its not innovative.[21:19:10] *** E-WolfShade has quit IRC[21:19:22] *** PathagenX has joined #haiku[21:19:31] <helf> by the 3rd generation, it might have some cool stuff added[21:19:41] <helf> they seem to do that. fund future versions by releasing weaker first gens[21:19:42] <DraX> i think it's going to be all about the software[21:19:52] <DraX> stuff like having iwork on there[21:19:54] <voodoor> by the 3rd gen, it might matvh the iphone[21:19:57] <helf> I'm not too fond of apples software, so i really couldnt care less :p[21:20:15] <helf> but, yeah, its probably perfect for a lot of people[21:20:26] <Ingenu> it really is an iPhone in all respect[21:20:33] <Ingenu> overclocked[21:20:37] <Ingenu> bigger screen[21:20:45] <DraX> different uis (the menus)[21:20:48] <helf> even its cpu is nothing amazing. its a cortex a8 with some customizations[21:20:52] <DraX> apps the phone will never have[21:20:52] <voodoor> a non-portable iphone or crippled tablet[21:20:54] <Ingenu> I think they even share the same OS[21:20:59] <helf> Ingenu, they do[21:21:23] <Ingenu> but still[21:21:36] <Ingenu> it's extremely user friendly[21:21:45] <helf> they modified the UI a bit to make more sense on a larger sscreen, about it[21:21:50] <helf> yeah[21:21:51] <Ingenu> for computers illiterates[21:21:55] <helf> heh[21:22:00] <Ingenu> (almost everyone)[21:22:47] <helf> im wondering if you can actually multitask on it or if it still pauses background apps[21:22:56] <DraX> no multitasking[21:22:58] <DraX> which is bullshit[21:23:14] <OmniMancer> :P[21:23:32] <voodoor> I wouldn't expect any Haiku/nix user to be remotely interested in the ipad as its distinctly anti-hacker, anti-freedom / computing for morons[21:23:41] <OmniMancer> it seems like they just decided to make a giant iphone along with all the problems[21:23:56] <helf> http://img.hexus.net/v2/news/apple/ipad-joke-1.jpg[21:24:02] <Ingenu> user app multitasking a must[21:24:05] <OmniMancer> what CPU does the ipad use?[21:24:12] <helf> apples "A4"[21:24:14] <Ingenu> and flash would help[21:24:19] <helf> its a cortex a8 with some custom stuff[21:24:28] <voodoor> Letting me use my computer how I want to use it is a must- do one Apple![21:24:57] *** voodoor has quit IRC[21:25:09] <helf> i can see some cool gaming possibilities if you mix an ipad with several iphones/touches :)[21:25:27] <OmniMancer> adobe even wanted to make mobile flash for iphone...[21:25:28] <helf> the ipad is the game board and your pieces/cards/whatever are on your iphone/touch[21:25:43] <OmniMancer> helf that would be interesting[21:26:01] <OmniMancer> the other use for an ipad I see is a haiku arm platform with a decent screen size :P[21:26:12] <Ingenu> lol[21:26:14] <Ingenu> :)))[21:26:16] <helf> again, i dont want a tablet :p[21:26:22] <OmniMancer> :P[21:26:26] <helf> the only tablet that interests me is the courier. heh[21:26:51] <OmniMancer> but still if you were going to put haiku on an iphone you should rather put it on an ipad and be able to see what you are doing :P[21:26:57] <User_> no, wacom tablets, they are great! :)[21:27:30] <helf> User_, ha[21:27:41] <helf> ok, other than graphics tablets, i have little interest in tablets :p[21:27:48] <helf> mostly because the UIs all suck[21:28:22] *** Disreali has quit IRC[21:28:37] <Cian> the only tablets that interest me are loaded with pharmaceuticals ;)[21:28:41] <Cian> had a tablet PC before, meh[21:28:41] <helf> lol[21:28:46] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[21:28:46] <Ingenu> ohh[21:29:17] <Ingenu> I thought about going iPad to not spend my life online[21:29:29] <Ingenu> but I'm on an iPhone right now[21:29:44] <Ingenu> why would I want just a bigger screen...[21:29:44] <helf> most people apparently only use computers for "social networking", photos, videos, and playing random games. so something like the iPad is perfect for them. they usually also dont care about being tied to apple.[21:30:04] <Ingenu> yeah[21:30:07] <Ingenu> sucks[21:30:16] <Ingenu> I'm a dev[21:30:25] <helf> I'm just annoyed with the amount of "omg, apple made it so its awesome!"[21:30:33] <Ingenu> I bet you can't program on a iPad[21:30:36] <Ingenu> useless[21:31:15] <Ingenu> giant iPhone good for dummies[21:31:18] <Ingenu> that's akl[21:31:23] <Ingenu> all*[21:31:33] <Ingenu> that covers a broad population though[21:32:16] <OmniMancer> Ingenu: once the hiaku arm port is done you probably can :P[21:32:26] <Skipp_OSX> well, but another way to look at it is that it is an ebook reader/game device/internet browser for dummies[21:32:53] <DraX> you can't install alternative oses on apple hardware[21:32:59] *** MegafHaiku has quit IRC[21:33:02] <DraX> they have measures to stop you from doing so[21:33:08] <Skipp_OSX> DraX: you mean on the iPad?[21:33:13] <DraX> or the ipod or the iphone[21:33:25] <OmniMancer> no they have measures to make it difficult :P[21:33:29] <DraX> i'm sure they'd do it on the macbooks if they thought they could get away with it[21:33:47] <DraX> OmniMancer: rockbox and ipodlinux don't support beyond 5G of the ipod[21:33:51] <Skipp_OSX> why would you want to?[21:33:54] <DraX> because they can't circumvent the security measures[21:34:00] <DraX> because rockbox is awesome[21:34:01] <Sryche> ipod touch = ipad nano? :x[21:34:18] <OmniMancer> effectively apple is a spoil sport who hates everything that isn't theirs[21:34:21] <DraX> because i should be able to play my ogg files[21:34:21] <helf> Skipp_OSX, thats what i just said :p[21:34:44] <OmniMancer> yes you should[21:34:59] <OmniMancer> also have they fixed the libtiff bug yet?[21:35:24] <Skipp_OSX> DraX: well buy something else! nobody is forcing you to buy an iPod/iPad, if you don't like the limitations of the device, buy something else[21:35:29] *** fhein has quit IRC[21:35:30] <DraX> i did[21:35:31] <helf> all my music is already in MP3 format, I don't own CDs to rip myself, so I can't see the use in ogg :p im not converting from a lossy format to another lossy format[21:35:33] <DraX> i have a cowon s9[21:35:40] <DraX> great music and video player[21:35:46] <DraX> it was lovely codec support and an amoled screen[21:36:02] <Sryche> amoled screen on a audio player...[21:36:02] <DraX> s/was/has/[21:36:05] <Sryche> right.[21:36:07] <DraX> it's also a video player[21:36:10] *** mmlr_mc has quit IRC[21:36:13] <helf> Sryche, he just said it does video[21:36:30] <AlienSoldier> one day Apple with launch iSandwich-man[21:36:36] <helf> heh[21:36:41] <Ingenu> MP3 320kbps[21:36:42] <Sryche> helf: i know, but why would i watch video on such a tiny screen? :x[21:36:45] <Ingenu> grood[21:36:53] <DraX> because i'm on a plane[21:37:12] <helf> Sryche, i get asked that a lot[21:37:21] <helf> for me, my phone fits in my pocket and goes anywhere :p[21:37:28] <Sryche> DraX: that's why you should just listen to music and sleep.[21:37:29] <helf> and i only do it when stuck on a long trip or in a waiting room[21:37:39] <helf> Sryche, opinion[21:37:40] <Sryche> helf: mine too, so is my PSP[21:37:45] <Ingenu> yup[21:37:49] <DraX> i can't sleep on planes[21:37:50] <helf> i like having one device[21:37:52] <Sryche> so i just play some games[21:37:55] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[21:37:55] <Ingenu> iPhone very handy[21:37:58] <helf> and the psp cramps my hands :p[21:38:10] <Sryche> :P[21:38:15] <DraX> i have a seperate phone[21:38:16] <Ingenu> since I moved to the UK it's my only electronic device[21:38:17] <helf> its the most uncomfortable thing on the face of the planet for me to hold[21:38:27] <Skipp_OSX> I agree, the iPhone is handy, I also agree that I'd like it to be an open device, but I can live with its limitations[21:38:42] <helf> yeah. its perfect for a lot of people[21:38:57] <helf> in the end, all this complain is pointless :p it wont change anything and people will still buy what *they* like and can use.[21:39:26] <helf> I'd buy the iPad for my sister. She is already tied to an ipod and itunes and loves it.. soo.. :p[21:40:02] <Sryche> since eletronics' price here in brazil are prohibitive[21:40:17] <Sryche> i won't buy a iPad/iPhone/iWhatever anytime soon[21:40:28] <helf> computers are turning into appliances, and a lot of people hate that :p[21:40:37] <Sryche> (i will buy a mbpro, though)[21:40:50] <helf> 'eh, I'd be tempted to get a 13.3 one[21:40:56] <helf> but the larger ones are just too awkward :p[21:41:01] <helf> we haev a 15" at work and its huuuge[21:41:20] <helf> gotta run, later.[21:41:34] <Sryche> cya[21:41:56] <Sryche> well, the desktop at work is dual-23" and i think that small :x[21:42:46] *** mmlr_mc has joined #haiku[21:44:11] <Ingenu> considering going 2x 22" wide[21:44:20] <Ingenu> 1680.1050[21:46:02] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[21:47:01] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[21:49:11] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[21:51:03] *** thotypous has quit IRC[21:53:07] *** User_ has quit IRC[21:54:45] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[21:54:55] *** The123king has quit IRC[22:04:18] <CIA-50> stpere * r35779 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/diskusage/ (PieView.cpp Scanner.cpp Snapshot.h):[22:04:18] <CIA-50> DiskUsage: Usability enhancement[22:04:18] <CIA-50> * When clicking in a outer sector, the middle circle now takes the color the outer sector had, helping to keep some consistency.[22:07:46] *** PathagenX has quit IRC[22:09:33] *** ahaaha has quit IRC[22:11:08] *** Lynton has quit IRC[22:13:56] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[22:19:49] *** ecin has joined #haiku[22:20:16] <ecin> Love the 10 second boot up time.[22:20:22] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[22:20:34] <stpere> yeah, ecin, that's really cool isn't it :)[22:20:36] <ecin> Is there a reason why bash is stuck at a 2002 version?[22:20:47] <ecin> Or it that just for the alpha release?[22:20:51] <ecin> Downloading the nightly right now.[22:21:12] <OmniMancer> where did the guy asking about llvm on haiku go BTW?[22:21:33] <mmadia> just alpha ecin. the nightlies have bash 4.x[22:21:59] <ecin> OmniMancer: no idea, but I want to try it out as well.[22:22:02] <mmadia> he's usually in here, OmniMancer.[22:22:22] <ecin> There's a guy proposing to build Ruby bindings for the Haiku API for google summer of code.[22:22:34] <ecin> So I'm looking into getting Ruby up and running in an easy manner.[22:22:46] <mmadia> kallisti5 --^[22:22:50] <ecin> Rubinius, one of the Ruby implementations, uses LLVM to compile itself.[22:23:40] <OmniMancer> it uses llvm for its JIT too[22:23:41] *** Cenobit has quit IRC[22:24:10] <OmniMancer> ecin: I would be most greatful if you would check out the llvm SVN and check if it still builds[22:24:38] <ecin> OmniMancer: Sure, that seems to fall across my pass.[22:25:34] <largo> (1:28:44 PM) kitallis: anyone successfully compiled llvm on haiku?[22:25:43] <OmniMancer> use cmake to configure[22:25:54] <OmniMancer> indeed largo, but where is he now?[22:26:01] <largo> gone.[22:26:32] <OmniMancer> 410 Gone![22:27:22] <largo> he left about an hour after asking that question.[22:27:40] <largo> 2 hours ago.[22:27:51] *** Garfield32 has joined #haiku[22:30:26] *** PasNox has quit IRC[22:33:32] *** ormandj has joined #haiku[22:34:21] <OmniMancer> ecin: will you build it? I haven't gotten around to doing it, I have to update my haiku install and stuff first...[22:34:41] <ecin> OmniMancer: Will I build what? LLVM?[22:35:52] <OmniMancer> llvm yes[22:36:16] <ecin> Once the nightly is done downloading.[22:37:01] <vooshy> OmniMancer: have you built llvm before?[22:37:19] <MrSunshine> llvm is easy =)[22:37:38] <MrSunshine> http://www.haikuware.com/directory/view-details/development/language/ldc-+-tango in that package ive included patches for llvm 2.6[22:37:39] <MrSunshine> i think it is =)[22:37:49] <OmniMancer> yes I have vooshy[22:38:40] <JonathanThompson> Now that you have vooshy, what are you going to do with vooshy ? :p[22:39:01] <OmniMancer> MrSunshine: the patches to the autoconf build system should be in the trunk[22:39:13] <OmniMancer> last I tried cmake just worked though[22:39:15] *** sil2100 has quit IRC[22:39:30] <MrSunshine> cmake works yes but in 2.6 atleast there is small modifications to other stuff if im not mistaking[22:39:32] * OmniMancer inserts comma to appeast JT[22:39:38] *** m0ns00n_ has quit IRC[22:39:50] *** H_MrSun has joined #haiku[22:40:03] <OmniMancer> to the trunk I had to do such things as make it unable to find the total memory used by a process[22:40:04] <vooshy> JonathonThompson: ownership is 9 tenths of the law, im a little worried[22:40:05] <OmniMancer> and such[22:40:28] <JonathanThompson> You should be :D[22:40:42] *** Garfield32 has left #haiku[22:42:00] <OmniMancer> MrSunshine: I am not sure if there was something else I found a problem with in the trunk...[22:42:07] <MrSunshine> ffs something is wrong with my network :/[22:42:12] <OmniMancer> its mostly the stuff in the System lib that causes problems[22:42:17] <MrSunshine> OmniMancer, well incase they dont want to use trunk :P[22:42:32] <MrSunshine> problems with the damn network driver ...[22:42:36] <MrSunshine> doesnt hold a connection :/[22:43:11] <MrSunshine> gonna restart the damn router[22:44:05] *** H_MrSun has quit IRC[22:45:56] <ecin> Is it common to link /bin/env to /usr/bin/env to get most scripts out there working?[22:46:19] *** MrSunshine_ has joined #haiku[22:46:37] <OmniMancer> don't think so[22:47:29] <mmlr_mc> I usually change them to use /bin/env instead[22:47:31] *** hdanak has quit IRC[22:47:44] <OmniMancer> we have a /bin?[22:48:13] <ecin> which env return /bin/env, at least in the alpha.[22:48:54] <OmniMancer> yea I need to change the python script for lit.py in llvm too[22:49:01] <OmniMancer> then I can run the testsuite :D[22:49:12] <OmniMancer> BTW are we ever going to have fully functioning ulimit?[22:49:17] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[22:49:21] <Cian> OmniMancer /bin is linked to the system bin folder, has been since BeOS[22:49:31] <OmniMancer> okay[22:50:27] <OmniMancer> MrSunshine: llvm 2.6 is possibly better as it is a non moving target[22:50:35] <OmniMancer> but the trunk is easier to get fixes into[22:50:42] <OmniMancer> and 2.6 has heaps of bugs[22:50:50] <Andrius> llvm 2.6 is horribly outdated in llvm terms[22:51:11] *** H_MrSun has joined #haiku[22:51:49] <OmniMancer> indeed[22:51:59] <OmniMancer> which is why I wish someone to try to compile trunk[22:52:16] <ecin> Gosh darn it, the nightly doesn't come with git installed.[22:52:24] * ecin goes on the hunt.[22:52:38] <OmniMancer> it may need a few minor fixes, and I still need to actually create a proper System/Unix subfolder for haiku specifics[22:52:54] <OmniMancer> ecin: USE SVN![22:53:18] <ecin> OmniMancer: Not if you live in the Ruby community. :P[22:53:28] <OmniMancer> sigh[22:53:33] <OmniMancer> for llvm just use svn[22:53:36] <vooshy> ecin: http://www.haiku-files.org/files/optional-packages/git-1.6.4.2-r1a1-x86-gcc2-2009-08-30.zip[22:53:43] <ecin> vooshy: Thanks![22:53:57] *** H_MrSun has quit IRC[22:53:59] *** Kokito has quit IRC[22:54:34] <leszek> anyone works on poorman ? Will it improve and get more features or stay the same ?[22:57:42] *** dakdagi has quit IRC[23:01:32] *** ecin has quit IRC[23:04:31] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[23:04:49] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:06:27] *** leszek has quit IRC[23:07:13] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[23:08:23] <helf|laptop> Sryche, yeah, if im using a desktop, the bigger the better, but for a portable machine, i want someting between 10 and 12inches usually. the mbp 13.3 is still decent :p anything bigger and it stops being portable for me[23:12:01] <Sryche> well, a netbook keyboard is just too small to me :p[23:12:12] <Sryche> (but i have one, though)[23:12:28] <helf|laptop> yeah, thats why i said 10" and up :p[23:12:34] <helf|laptop> i had a dell mini 9 but it got too cramped.[23:12:43] <Sryche> well, my netbook is 10"[23:12:44] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[23:12:45] <Sryche> :P[23:12:45] *** petterhj-___ has joined #haiku[23:12:48] <helf|laptop> ive typed on 10" laptops that were OK. but i guess something in the 12" range is perfect for me, tho[23:13:02] <Sryche> and my finger just fills up 2 keys :D[23:13:06] <helf|laptop> hehe[23:13:40] <Sryche> well, i'll run a little[23:13:45] <Sryche> cya later ;][23:13:59] <helf|laptop> byew[23:17:27] <Cian> I've a 10.9 (I think) netbook that has nearly full scale keys. absolutely no bother[23:17:35] <Cian> think they're 87% scale[23:18:29] <Cian> if they made the laptop about an inch bigger and put in an optical drive it'd be perfect[23:23:20] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[23:29:41] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[23:32:11] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[23:35:17] *** S_2010 has quit IRC[23:36:30] *** petterhj-___ has quit IRC[23:37:51] *** S_2010 has joined #haiku[23:39:46] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[23:40:37] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[23:42:46] <largo> does anyone here use hg? (Mercurial)[23:42:50] *** petterhj-___ has joined #haiku[23:43:08] <CIA-50> mmlr * r35780 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/busses/usb/ehci.cpp: (log message trimmed)[23:43:08] <CIA-50> Don't take ownership by writing the OS-owned semaphore when the BIOS-owned flag[23:43:08] <CIA-50> isn't set. I'd tend to say that's a rather odd interpretation of the specified[23:43:08] <CIA-50> protocol if a BIOS goes mad if the sem is written to while it doesn't actually[23:43:08] <CIA-50> own the controller (it should just be a no-op in that case and directly set the[23:43:09] <CIA-50> sem state). But it seems this is what others do as well (FreeBSD, Linux) so we[23:43:10] <CIA-50> follow. Thanks to vegardw in #2083 for researching into this and proposing this[23:43:11] <OmniMancer> nope[23:43:19] <largo> I'm ignorant of the details etc... but the impression I get is cvs -> svn -> hg[23:43:40] <largo> but they could have different applications... different tools for different jobs.[23:44:37] <largo> http://hginit.com/[23:45:08] <largo> (I pasted that once here in the past... a friend sent it to me and told me to read it. he was giving me a strong hint hint :P heh)[23:45:46] <largo> "Mercurial is a modern, open source, distributed version control system, and a compelling upgrade from older systems like Subversion."[23:46:01] <OmniMancer> is it written in python?[23:46:05] <largo> I think I'll go read up on what these different new systems are.[23:46:35] <largo> "Mercurial is a cross-platform, distributed revision control tool for software developers. It is mainly implemented using the Python programming language, but includes a binary diff implementation written in C."[23:46:56] <largo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercurial[23:46:56] <OmniMancer> ah[23:47:00] *** petterhj-___ has quit IRC[23:47:09] <OmniMancer> well then rewrite it in something that is not python then we shall speak[23:47:18] <largo> haha roger roger. ;)[23:47:25] * largo wanders off to make something to eat.[23:47:59] <OmniMancer> use falcon or something[23:48:05] *** daste has joined #haiku[23:57:02] <CIA-50> stippi * r35781 /haiku/trunk/data/artwork/cursors/ (ContextMenu Copy Grab Grabbing Link Pointer):[23:57:03] <CIA-50> * Tweaked angle of index finger.[23:57:03] <CIA-50> * Removed the outline at the hand wrist.[23:59:27] <MrSunshine_> mmlr_mc, hmm will that fix up some usb controllers? :)