March 5, 2010 
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March 5, 2010 [00:00:55] <DraX> hey mvfranz[00:01:07] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[00:01:08] <DraX> any news on the java front?[00:01:10] <mvfranz> DraX: how are you?[00:01:14] <DraX> well[00:01:18] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[00:01:18] <mvfranz> It is slow[00:01:30] <DraX> yeah nothing on the mailing list for a month or two :([00:01:34] <mvfranz> I am trying to get nfs to work so I can try a cross build[00:01:37] *** Disreali has quit IRC[00:01:48] <mvfranz> getting gcj to work has proved to be problematic[00:01:48] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[00:01:58] <DraX> there have been a few fixes to nfs recently i think[00:02:13] <mvfranz> I am doing a build (haiku) right now[00:02:24] <DraX> what issues came up with gcj?[00:02:26] <mvfranz> I finally figure out how to get mount to work[00:02:32] <mvfranz> but editing a file crashes[00:02:47] *** Barrett has quit IRC[00:02:48] <mvfranz> well, it takes a long time to build[00:02:59] <mvfranz> the memory system seems flakey[00:03:18] <mvfranz> I am not sure I have every gotten it to build 100% correctly either[00:03:47] <mvfranz> andrew has made progress though[00:03:59] *** genki has quit IRC[00:04:10] <DraX> on gcj, or?[00:04:22] <helf|laptop> ugh[00:04:31] <helf|laptop> I think I finally have caught the flu for the first time in several years[00:04:45] <mvfranz> on openjdk[00:04:46] <DraX> helf|laptop: i got viking death plague when i was in scandanavia[00:04:56] <helf|laptop> :o[00:04:59] <helf|laptop> wtf is that?[00:05:01] <largo> helf|laptop: my condolences. :'([00:05:08] <DraX> helf|laptop: some non-descript european virus[00:05:13] <flameshadow> DraX wins just on the name of the disease alone[00:05:16] <DraX> helf|laptop: fever + sour throat + stomach things[00:05:27] <DraX> sore[00:05:28] <DraX> wow[00:05:32] <helf|laptop> started losing my voice last night and woke up with a sore throat, chills, ache muscles :p[00:05:36] <helf|laptop> ick[00:05:45] <helf|laptop> flameshadow, yeah, for real. lol[00:06:28] <helf|laptop> tho, VDP sounds like a venereal disease :D[00:06:29] <DraX> mvfranz: how does one make progress on openjdk without a java compiler? :)[00:07:50] *** alex__ has joined #haiku[00:09:40] *** alex__ has quit IRC[00:11:20] *** AlexMc2010 has joined #haiku[00:14:23] <mvfranz> DraX LOL[00:14:39] <mvfranz> some of it is written in C/C++[00:14:46] <DraX> true[00:14:47] <helf|laptop> DraX, magick :D[00:15:09] <mvfranz> having a java compiler does help[00:15:28] <DraX> i guess it's the class library and the compiler that are mostly in java[00:15:34] <mvfranz> I am hoping nfs will start work soon[00:15:57] <helf|laptop> oh jeez, amazon has a one day sell on 2x2GB corsair ddr3-1333 for $85 with free shipping. yay for being broke. lol[00:16:20] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:16:22] <DraX> i want a pair of 4gb chips for my laptop[00:16:30] <mvfranz> yes, the library is java.[00:16:30] <helf|laptop> that'd be nice[00:16:30] <DraX> but they're so expensive right now[00:16:37] <helf|laptop> like $250 a piece right?[00:16:44] <mmadia> helf|laptop : 1.35v G.SKILL[00:16:50] <helf|laptop> lol[00:16:54] <helf|laptop> yes, I'm probably getting that[00:17:06] <helf|laptop> mmadia, I'm actually decided to probably not overclock my q9550[00:17:13] <helf|laptop> I need something stable for a file server :)[00:17:34] <mmadia> ok, but using the q9550 as a file server?[00:17:36] <DraX> mvfranz: and someone on the mailing list seems to be interested in working on nfs too[00:17:39] *** judgen has quit IRC[00:17:53] <helf|laptop> mmadia, and everything else[00:18:09] <helf|laptop> or maybe not[00:18:23] <helf|laptop> I'd love a stand alone NAS, but those are $$$[00:19:00] <DraX> yeah..[00:19:06] <largo> I wonder if they've raised the maximum amount of RAM my motherboard can support?[00:19:07] * largo checks.[00:19:25] <largo> I'm pretty sure I can put 6 4GB sticks in here.[00:19:25] <DraX> helf|laptop: but of the friends i stayed with in .se had qsnaps and were pretty happy with them[00:19:34] <DraX> err not sure it's qsnap[00:19:44] <DraX> qnap[00:20:02] <helf|laptop> I was going to use my tualatin rig with my areca raid cards, but it doesnt seem to like the cards.[00:20:20] <helf|laptop> i could just buy a fasttrack s150 tx4 or such,[00:23:17] *** judgen has joined #haiku[00:25:14] <mvfranz> DraX I saw that. I am excited about that. Not only may we get nfs working, but get version 4 implemented[00:25:45] <largo> I plan on waiting awhile for ram speeds to improve and prices to come down on current stuff... then buy much faster ddr333 sticks and clock them down so that I can crank the timings up. :P[00:26:20] <DraX> mvfranz: yeah[00:27:06] <DraX> i fully believe someone working at isilon knows there way around nfs too :)[00:28:29] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[00:28:31] *** GonoszTopi has quit IRC[00:29:58] *** theophilecf has joined #haiku[00:32:23] <mvfranz> yes, good times in store for haiku and nfs[00:33:09] <DraX> hopefully[00:37:45] *** orbframe has joined #haiku[00:39:48] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[00:46:26] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[00:47:32] *** AlexMc2010 has quit IRC[00:47:44] <DraX> mvfranz: do you know how far andrew is on openjdk?[00:48:12] <mvfranz> not really, but lacking a way to compile is a hinderance[00:48:20] <mvfranz> there was some project he found that might help[00:48:32] <mvfranz> I don't have the link but it looked promissing[00:48:54] <mvfranz> gcj kinda works, but it highlights some issue with memory management on haiku[00:48:59] <mvfranz> but it does crash[00:49:02] <DraX> might be able to use llvm's vmkit to run some pure-java compiler[00:49:14] <mvfranz> I think he filed some haiku bugs with the memory issues[00:49:39] <DraX> seems like it'd be better to fix the memory issues than avoid them[00:49:44] <DraX> or at lesat report them[00:49:48] <DraX> so someone else can look into them[00:51:01] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[00:52:03] *** mvfranz_ has joined #haiku[00:53:38] *** Ola has joined #haiku[00:53:47] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[00:54:05] *** Ola is now known as Guest51610[00:54:16] *** Guest51610 is now known as OlaHughson[00:54:24] *** mvfranz has quit IRC[00:54:24] *** mvfranz_ is now known as mvfranz[00:55:45] <DraX> mvfranz: yeah someone should report the memory issues that gcj was producing[00:56:25] <mvfranz> DraX I think they have been[00:56:33] <DraX> ok[00:57:20] <mvfranz> here we go, lets see if r35763 can write a file via nfs[00:58:04] *** orbframe has quit IRC[01:01:55] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[01:03:44] *** bradct has quit IRC[01:04:56] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[01:05:05] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[01:05:06] *** l_n has joined #haiku[01:05:18] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[01:06:07] <l_n> 'ello[01:06:29] *** adamk_ has left #haiku[01:07:04] *** margiolas has joined #haiku[01:08:21] <Skipp_OSX> 'ola[01:09:22] <margiolas> hello can i have the link with the proposed ideas for gsoc[01:09:59] <mmadia> http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/GoogleSummerOfCodeIdeas[01:10:17] <mmadia> hi margiolas. the list is still a work in progress, but it should give you some ideas.[01:12:13] <margiolas> thanks[01:12:17] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[01:12:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmadia[01:12:47] <margiolas> mmadia:if i want to ask on something spesific, can i here or on a list?[01:13:46] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[01:13:49] <mmadia> if you don't get an answer here, you can ask on the general mailing list.[01:14:03] <mmadia> http://www.haiku-os.org/community/ml[01:15:01] * l_n wonders how difficult an rss reader would be to implement (with a nice semi-real-time replicant to show info about feeds)[01:15:35] <DraX> l_n: will be a lot nicer with BWebView :)[01:16:50] <DraX> l_n: i would recommend using the google feed api instead of working with rss feeds directly though ;)[01:16:54] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[01:16:59] <DraX> google feed api does all the sanatizing[01:17:03] *** l3thal has joined #haiku[01:17:19] <DraX> http://code.google.com/apis/ajaxfeeds/documentation/[01:17:43] <l_n> but first i need to learn the BeAPI or just where to look fo functions (an learning c++ would help :P )[01:17:49] *** bradct has joined #haiku[01:17:54] <l_n> for*[01:18:44] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[01:19:35] *** margiolas has quit IRC[01:19:50] <DraX> MrSunshine: how's the D magic coming?[01:21:52] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[01:22:41] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[01:23:08] <Skipp_OSX> DraX, BWebView!?!?! is that a thing?[01:24:50] <DraX> Skipp_OSX: it's part of the webkit work stippi is doing[01:27:57] <MrSunshine> DraX, not so much atm :/[01:28:01] <MrSunshine> havent had much time[01:28:46] <Skipp_OSX> DraX, sweet, so that means I'll be able to embed an html renderer in my app?[01:29:13] *** Disreali_ has quit IRC[01:29:24] <DraX> Skipp_OSX: may need an optional library but i think so[01:29:44] <Skipp_OSX> DraX: well... eventually, I am not looking for the functionality right away[01:29:45] *** oco has quit IRC[01:29:55] <Skipp_OSX> I still have a project or 2 I have to finish up on still[01:30:19] <DraX> i ought to fix virutalbox so i can boot haiku again[01:31:22] <Skipp_OSX> DraX: I use VirtualBox to boot Haiku and it works fine for me[01:31:46] <DraX> my virtual box install is broken[01:31:46] <Skipp_OSX> DraX: what is broken about it?[01:31:56] <DraX> because my os version and modules are out of sync[01:32:01] <DraX> i just need to recompile the modules[01:32:11] <Skipp_OSX> DraX: what is the host OS?[01:32:19] <DraX> freebsd[01:32:57] <Skipp_OSX> DraX: ahhh, okay... so you need to update your ports you mean?[01:33:14] <DraX> or just recompile the version i have[01:33:37] <DraX> virtualbox is very sensitive to kernel being out of sync with modules[01:33:37] <Skipp_OSX> DraX: There isn't a binary version you could just download and run?[01:33:39] <DraX> and mine is[01:33:49] <DraX> no, since the kerenl version has to be exactly right[01:33:53] <Skipp_OSX> DraX: did you update your base system or something?[01:33:59] <DraX> yes[01:34:14] <DraX> it's really trivial to fix, i just haven't[01:34:32] <Skipp_OSX> DraX: I've done that... what is that tool used to compare your changes after you make world?[01:34:56] <DraX> mergemaster?[01:35:18] <Skipp_OSX> yeah, that's it![01:35:29] <Skipp_OSX> that utility is sweet[01:35:37] <DraX> it's getting replaced i think[01:35:45] <DraX> at least someone is working on a replacement[01:35:51] <Skipp_OSX> DraX: well I like it[01:36:32] *** margiolas has joined #haiku[01:37:52] <DraX> margiolas: anything interestring on the gsoc list?[01:39:00] <margiolas> hmmm i don't know yet[01:39:23] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[01:39:31] <margiolas> it's true that there is enough good and instrsting ideas[01:39:32] *** Megaf_ has joined #haiku[01:39:51] <Skipp_OSX> what is it with nerds and there non-x86 ports =)[01:40:07] *** Megaf has quit IRC[01:40:29] <DraX> Skipp_OSX: good question[01:41:12] <Skipp_OSX> I'd add to the list Calendar application[01:42:04] <Skipp_OSX> perhaps it is not very high priority but it need to be done and is relatively easy[01:43:28] <DraX> mmadia: will there be a code drive this year as well?[01:43:30] *** petterhj has quit IRC[01:44:38] *** theophilecf has quit IRC[01:47:11] <margiolas> what is the stage of the arm port?[01:49:58] <mmadia> DraX : it depends.[01:50:52] <DraX> margiolas: i think it can get to the bootsplash, but not beyond that[01:50:53] *** bjl- has quit IRC[01:51:04] <margiolas> hahaha nice[01:51:09] <DraX> someone who was working on it recently: http://a-hackers-craic.blogspot.com/search/label/haiku[01:51:10] <mmadia> if there's exceptional students that we can't mentor due to a lack of slots & we have someone to mentor them, then i'd be willing to promote it.[01:52:29] <margiolas> i'll check it in more depth the morning[01:58:14] <pfoetchen> margiolas: the kernel starts loading but it does not do anything usefull yet since the mmu is not setup correctly in the kernel yet...[02:02:54] <DraX> ahh! just figured out how i can actually send notifications from the wifi stack[02:03:02] <DraX> i think[02:06:07] <DraX> yup, there it is[02:06:27] <DraX> semaphore into the ethernet stack is how link state is handled[02:06:42] <margiolas> i want to take a good look in the x86 support first on haiku and after i'll try figure out a way for arm[02:07:50] <largo> DraX: what are you working on with the wifi stack? :)[02:08:12] <largo> the netprefs thing?[02:08:16] <DraX> wpa[02:08:32] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[02:08:50] <mmadia> hmmmm... maybe the wlan netprefs can be a project.[02:08:59] <DraX> well[02:09:08] <DraX> i really think that this all depends on bosii's new wifi stack[02:09:22] <DraX> because like, now i know how, but i'd be shoe-horning the notifications into the ethernet stack if i did this[02:09:25] <DraX> and that seems like a bad idea[02:10:31] <DraX> and i think bosii mentioned that he may switch to using the freebsd ioctls directly instead of the current api he exposes[02:10:32] <mmadia> it's a start.[02:10:41] <DraX> so really a lot of it is up in the air until the new wifi stack exists[02:10:47] <DraX> i think a lot of the code written wouldn't be of much use[02:11:07] <largo> I wish I knew C++ :([02:11:13] <mmadia> maybe it'd help you implement it better a 2nd time around ;)[02:11:38] <largo> the last time I did any real programming was in C back in 93... and I promptly forgot almost everything after that. :P[02:13:05] <DraX> largo: you never really forget..[02:14:18] <DraX> i'm just happy i finally figured this out :)[02:14:34] <AlienSoldier> largo you even forgot that pointer are evil! you can't forget that :)[02:14:42] <largo> I never got beyond beginner. ;) it was a college course in basic C that I ended up failing out of because I stopped going and missed the finals back when I was young and even more irresponsible. ;)[02:15:42] <largo> on a happier note, I have 2 of my friends installing and messing with Haiku now.[02:16:17] <largo> old Linux friends of mine... the two guys with the Sparc10 NEXTSTEP machines and all the other "rare" cool hardware and OS's etc.[02:16:22] <largo> they're pretty hyped about Haiku.[02:17:23] <AlienSoldier> those into computer other than mac and wintel usually are[02:17:55] <DraX> not enough of them are hyped enough to start hacking though :P[02:17:57] <largo> Joey is going to try installing Haiku on his Dell Mini9 tonight.[02:17:59] <AlienSoldier> unless they have stuffed tux, in those case they are lost forever :)[02:18:06] <largo> any caveats or pointers?[02:18:30] <AlienSoldier> on pointers, well , just beware :P[02:18:43] <largo> Joey's not a programmer, but my other buddy Chris who was installing it today is more excited to try programming on it.[02:19:09] <largo> of the guys in our group is a programmer on GCC itself.[02:19:40] <largo> he was working for SCEA (Sony) on PS3 support for the cell processors etc up until recently. he just switched companies.[02:20:02] <largo> so if I can get some of the guys interested, maybe I can get some of the more technically proficient guys interested. ;)[02:20:43] <Skipp_OSX> largo: I don't think that knowledge of C++ is that important, the amount of C++ knowledge that you need can be learned fairly easily, it is the rest of it that is hard[02:21:21] <AlienSoldier> speaking of Sony, i was quite impressed by Heavy Rain, interesting game[02:21:21] <Skipp_OSX> meaning learning the APIs that Haiku uses, how they go together and of course the nitty gritty details of what you are working on[02:22:21] <Skipp_OSX> Of course I have a pretty good working knowledge of C/C++ so maybe I am biased[02:22:39] <largo> AlienSoldier: the only thing I know about Heavy Rain is the glitch that lets you get the female character totally naked.[02:22:43] * largo is juvenile like that.[02:22:43] <DraX> Skipp_OSX: i don't of c++ but i agree that's the hard part[02:23:16] <Skipp_OSX> largo: Even so, no amount of knowledge can ever substitute for sheer determination[02:23:26] <DraX> that too[02:24:19] <largo> Skipp_OSX: true. I got a little lesson in how hard seemingly trivial applications can be when I decided to write some simple web apps recently... I had to learn Javascript to do it and it ended up being a lot more complex and drawn out than I thought it would be. ah the naivete of ignorance. ;)[02:25:01] <AlienSoldier> i don't remember who said haiku was reboting for him earlier but r35752 do that to me, see boot screen then reboot, safe mode or not[02:25:08] <largo> http://nnb.me/JLS/kana.php?sec=katakana&sub=chart&tab=basicunvoiced#chi[02:25:32] <largo> currently pretty busted, but you get the idea... I'm just starting on it.[02:25:59] <Skipp_OSX> on a completely unrelated note... was there ever a time that Haiku used widgets that looked like BeOS 5 and then got updated to the current look, or has the current widget look always been used?[02:26:07] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[02:26:26] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[02:27:00] <Skipp_OSX> I am asking because I was thinking that it might be a good idea to make available less detailed widgets when running in 8-bit (256 color) mode.[02:27:45] <Skipp_OSX> I booted up Haiku in qemu, which apparently uses a standard vesa GPU by default, and noticed that Haiku looks terrible in 8-bit color mode, and that really should be fixed[02:28:42] <largo> Skipp_OSX: can you get a screenshot quick?[02:28:44] <largo> I'm curious.[02:28:58] <Skipp_OSX> largo: not quick...[02:29:11] <largo> well, without too much trouble. ;)[02:29:24] <largo> otherwise I could try futzing around with it myself.[02:29:26] <bradct> lol i think i like the way it looks in 8bit better...[02:29:55] <Skipp_OSX> bradct, well give largo a screenshot then![02:30:01] <AlienSoldier> Skipp_OSXi at first haiku looked exactly as R5[02:30:35] <DraX> Skipp_OSX: how is your deskcalc stuff going?[02:30:47] <Skipp_OSX> DraX: well, I am kinda sorta stuck[02:31:11] <Skipp_OSX> DraX: I consider myself to be done since I got it to work the way I wanted... but Axel Dorfler wants more...[02:31:29] <DraX> what more does axel want?[02:31:35] <Skipp_OSX> and I haven't gotten around to his fixes[02:32:15] <Skipp_OSX> DraX: He wants me to store the precise result in the background and only display the rounded version[02:32:41] <Skipp_OSX> but use the more precise value in the proceeding calculation... I think that is dumb and unintuitive[02:33:38] <DraX> did you argue that?[02:33:56] <Skipp_OSX> DraX: I did, but it is axel![02:34:18] <DraX> heh[02:35:13] <margiolas> did you think that is possible for a summer project the arm port?[02:35:24] <Skipp_OSX> DraX: if you got the source you can apply my patch available here: http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/5203[02:37:24] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[02:38:40] <Skipp_OSX> largo: 8-bit color Haiku: http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/3826/picture2eq.png[02:38:43] <largo> random quick question.... is there an easy simple sound control for the over all system? I have my headphones plugged into the sound card directly and any new application I use that plays sound practically blows my eardrums out... I have to adjust the sound down to like 2px from 0 to be tolerable. :/[02:38:49] <largo> Skipp_OSX: thanks.[02:38:50] * largo looks[02:40:07] <largo> what about that don't you like? the logo could use a little tweaking... and maybe the title bar gradient... but it doesn't look bad at all.[02:40:29] <largo> the yellow feather (sorry, they don't look at all like leaves) is kind of bad... but... :)[02:41:55] <Skipp_OSX> largo: feather menu->settings->media have what you are looking for/[02:42:06] *** hdanak has quit IRC[02:42:19] *** mvfranz has quit IRC[02:42:50] <Skipp_OSX> largo: basically every UI widget screen is slightly messed up[02:43:19] <Skipp_OSX> but maybe nobody cares since 8-bit mode is not used anymore... idk[02:43:37] *** wildur has quit IRC[02:43:59] <largo> Skipp_OSX: probably not an ideal allocation of resources to deal with it. ;)[02:44:30] <Skipp_OSX> I was just thinking that _if_ low color widgets had already been created it might be worth it to switch to those[02:46:39] <mmadia> not really.[02:47:15] <mmadia> there's an email on one of the lists that explains the video acceleration & why it is the way it is.[02:47:20] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[02:47:34] *** margiolas has left #haiku[02:48:03] <Skipp_OSX> mmadia, meaning in qemu or in Haiku?[02:48:08] <mmadia> in haiku.[02:48:34] <AlienSoldier> mmadia noticed any report of haiku rebooting at boot screen lately?[02:48:56] <mmadia> no, my head's been in python most of the day AlienSoldier.[02:49:00] <AlienSoldier> ok[02:54:26] * OmniMancer dislikes people who seem to think that all languages should use def for defining functions instead of function or some other means[02:55:27] <mmadia> AlienSoldier : what revision are you seeing that in?[02:56:17] <AlienSoldier> mmadia been a while i did not used a new one, the problematic one is r35752[02:56:34] <AlienSoldier> i think i remember someone mentioning rebooting today or yesterday[02:57:12] <mmadia> what was your previous revision?[02:57:33] <AlienSoldier> hehe, that we will never know :)[02:57:38] <mmadia> there's been some recent changes to ACPI, panics with MTRR,[02:57:58] <AlienSoldier> about a month old i guess[02:58:18] <AlienSoldier> yes i got scared when i saw the ACPI thing[02:58:29] <mmadia> want to try 35731? http://haiku-files.org/raw/[02:59:36] <l_n> the nightlies now have all the wifi drivers by default, no?[03:00:05] <mmadia> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/4399#comment:39[03:00:18] <AlienSoldier> mmadia will do later, that is the one just before ACPI misfit?[03:00:36] <mmadia> yes, but not the firmwares for the broadcom43xx, ipw2100, 2200, and one of the marvell's : l_n[03:00:41] <mmadia> yes, AlienSoldier.[03:00:58] <mmadia> AlienSoldier : #4399 may be a good read too[03:01:57] <l_n> meh. i'll continue my custom builds, then[03:02:31] <mmadia> make sure to add BasicCommandLineTools[03:02:47] <AlienSoldier> Awesome! I just updated to r35758 and it doesn't reboot anymore! It KDL'ed somewhere near the last icon with some MTRR message, but this would be another problem. Please close this one. Thanks a lot![03:03:27] <AlienSoldier> why is do i only see r35752 here, no r35758[03:04:11] <AlienSoldier> i guess in not "knighted" yet[03:04:14] <mmadia> because the nightly hasn't been uploaded yet.[03:04:15] <AlienSoldier> *it's[03:04:44] <AlienSoldier> hehe i ALWAYS update the the worst time possible[03:05:05] <AlienSoldier> *the =at[03:07:13] <DraX> heh[03:07:24] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[03:07:24] <DraX> ingo's commit message when he added the panic to the mtrr code was ``i'm going to regret this''[03:12:40] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[03:18:20] *** petterhj- has quit IRC[03:22:54] *** jdanna has joined #haiku[03:23:57] *** mappyg has quit IRC[03:25:05] <jdanna> hey, does the nightly build of haiku have wireless?[03:25:18] <mmadia> yes, but not the firmwares for the broadcom43xx, ipw2100, 2200, and one of the marvell's : jdanna[03:25:29] <jdanna> ah[03:25:37] <jdanna> im not sure what i have, its a dell mini9i know its a broadcom[03:25:49] <mmadia> for those, you'll need to use install-wifi-firmwares.sh[03:26:04] <jdanna> oh cool[03:26:22] <mmadia> *for those 4 drivers. i dont know what's in your mini9.[03:26:30] <jdanna> does it need to be connected to the internet for that to work?[03:27:18] <mmadia> yes. otherwise you'd need to build your own image and add the optional pacakge WifiFirmwareScriptData[03:27:23] <jdanna> ah ok[03:27:30] <jdanna> it sees ethernet, so ill plug it in[03:27:33] <mmadia> (and these days BasicCommandLineTools)[03:28:23] <jdanna> another dumb question - this thing has a built in SD card reader[03:28:39] <jdanna> does haiku support those? im trying to avoid erasing this box or getting a new drive for it[03:29:06] <mmadia> what happens when you plug in a SD card?[03:29:45] <jdanna> nothing[03:29:55] <jdanna> i dont see anything in drivesetup either[03:30:50] <jdanna> oh well - if i can get wireless working ill order another SSD to install haiku/winxp/osx dualboot i think[03:31:08] <jdanna> cause i tell you what, besides wireless (and maybe sound, i havent tried that yet) - haiku runs AWESOME on this tiny thing[03:31:29] <mmadia> then file a dev.haiku-os.org/newticket check the front page for the reporting bugs link & include the hardware bug suggestions --listdev, listusb[03:33:01] <jdanna> cool - yea im in love with haiku on this thing, once i have time to plug it into ethernet ill download the wireless firmware and hopefully get it going[03:33:36] <jdanna> how do i know if wireless it working, will a menu of SSIDs come up?[03:33:39] <mmadia> there are some broadcom 43xx's that don't work with our freebsd based drivers.[03:35:14] <AlienSoldier> mmadia AA1 is wireless ready?[03:35:26] <AlienSoldier> i never know what chipset it have[03:35:54] <mmadia> atheroswifi ?[03:38:52] <AlienSoldier> probably[03:39:03] <AlienSoldier> or a variant[03:39:25] <AlienSoldier> been a while i did not test haiku it[03:39:27] <mmadia> iirc largo & kallisti5 have had issues with that driver recently[03:40:16] <AlienSoldier> that gnash audio presentation koki linked was interesting (just finished it)[03:40:41] <jdanna> ok ive got the wifi firmware[03:40:45] <jdanna> should i restart?[03:40:55] <jdanna> (im on the machine now - found an ehternet drop ;) )[03:42:29] <largo> jdanna: ah, I see you're in here. :)[03:44:24] <jdanna> yup[03:44:27] <jdanna> just rebooted[03:44:28] *** Dean has joined #haiku[03:44:33] <jdanna> still no clue if i have wireless or not[03:44:34] *** jmayfield_ has quit IRC[03:44:46] <jdanna> ifconfig only sees ethernet[03:45:36] <mmadia> jdanna : put the output of `listdev` on haiku.pastebin.com and link us.[03:46:58] <jdanna> http://haiku.pastebin.com/RjuXgNve[03:47:47] <largo> device Network controller [2|80|0] vendor 14e4: Broadcom Corporation device 4315: BCM4312 802.11b/g[03:47:50] <jdanna> 4312[03:47:52] <largo> that's your card.[03:47:56] <jdanna> yea just noticed that[03:48:12] <mmadia> SOL.[03:48:17] <jdanna> dag[03:48:22] <jdanna> no drivers?[03:48:36] <largo> I think only some of the broadcoms are supported.[03:48:43] <mmadia> that's the one that doesn't work with our version of the freebsd drivers.[03:48:44] <largo> someone earlier had the same issue with a broadcom wifi.[03:48:47] <jdanna> damn[03:48:57] <jdanna> well im sure it will work eventually[03:49:03] <jdanna> and ill be fn pumped as hell when it does[03:49:14] <mmadia> iirc, MrSunshine has been trying to bring support for it, but his skills are a work in progress & he'd love help.[03:49:14] <jdanna> cause this this is retarded fast on here[03:49:37] <jdanna> i would love to help if i could code my way out of a paper bag :/[03:52:29] <flameshadow> Coding out of a paper bag is not easy. Helps if you're working with robots.[03:54:17] <largo> haha[03:55:57] *** Dean has left #haiku[03:58:43] <largo> I'm bummed that the latest atheroswifi drivers are actually worse than the ones a few nightlies back. :([03:58:56] <largo> so now I can't even really chat and surf from in Haiku, even with SMP disabled. :([03:59:16] <mmadia> do you build your own images, largo?[03:59:25] <largo> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/5532[03:59:29] <largo> mmadia: no.[03:59:35] <largo> I could just go back a few nighties.[04:00:35] <largo> I'd like to try building my own images from within Haiku... keeping up to date that way... but not until I get the wifi worked out, so that I can use all 8 of my cores instead of just 1 for the build etc.[04:00:57] <OmniMancer> you have 8 cores :O[04:01:18] <largo> hyperthreaded quad core 3.2ghz intel core i7 965EE[04:01:36] <mmadia> or build your own image, and svn revert -r 35746 src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/network/wlan/atheroswifi[04:02:41] <largo> mmadia: so everything else would be up to date, but the atheroswifi driver would use the code from before the last check-in? :)[04:02:42] <mmadia> eerr, svn up -r 35746 src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/network/wlan/atheroswifi[04:03:05] <mmadia> yup : http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/35747[04:03:28] <largo> would it be easier just to cross compile it from within Linux?[04:03:45] <largo> I've never actually cross compiled anything. :) so it would be a new experience.[04:04:43] <mmadia> do you have any network access in Haiku?[04:05:13] *** bjl- has joined #haiku[04:06:14] <stpere> I applied for a teacher position today[04:06:22] <stpere> exciting times :O[04:06:59] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[04:06:59] <largo> mmadia: well, if I drop back a few nightlies, then yes. the current one is basically unusable.[04:07:27] <mmadia> largo : you could also just grab the driver from that nightly and drop it into the newest revision.[04:07:40] <largo> ah. brilliant! ;)[04:07:53] <mmadia> stpere : is this from helping the java teacher?[04:08:00] <stpere> yeah[04:08:25] <stpere> well, a position opened and they though I would be perfect for it and offered it to me[04:08:33] <stpere> but I have to pass some administrative steps[04:09:14] <largo> congratulations and good luck! :)[04:10:11] *** jmayfield_ has joined #haiku[04:12:21] <stpere> that would be to teach UML[04:21:01] <mmadia> what grade level?[04:21:21] <stpere> college[04:21:33] <mmadia> nice[04:21:35] <stpere> between highschool and university[04:22:48] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[04:28:59] <mmadia> so, how many lessons will you use Haiku as the basis of the lesson? :D[04:34:24] <stpere> :D[04:39:08] *** thotypous has quit IRC[04:50:54] *** PathagenX has joined #haiku[04:52:17] *** triplez has joined #haiku[04:54:02] *** cosmotic has joined #haiku[04:55:04] <cosmotic> im trying to log into haiku-os.org... it says my email is reserved when i try to make a new account and when i try to request the password for it it says the user isn't allowed to request a new password[05:00:46] <mmadia> do you mean www. or dev. ?[05:02:30] <l_n> largo: lunix (if you're not using reiserfs) can't build the attributes of the bfs filesystem[05:02:46] <l_n> hrm.. oops.. gotta not reply to the buffer[05:03:42] <mmadia> l_n : jfs & ufs2 also support xattr wrt haiku's build system[05:04:35] <l_n> yeah, but how common is jfs in lunix? most people seem to use ext3/4 or reiser[05:07:37] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[05:09:40] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[05:11:20] <largo> l_n: so pretty much I'll need to build it within Haiku?[05:11:40] <largo> I tend to use ext3 currently.[05:19:19] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[05:28:23] *** |judgen| has joined #haiku[05:30:31] *** judgen has quit IRC[05:33:50] *** mmadia has quit IRC[05:34:31] <l_n> largo: it would be best.. your first build can be w/o xattr, but i would rebuild from within haiku afterwards[05:35:01] <l_n> the difference between haiku-hosted and lunix-hosted builds is one option in the configure command, really.. not much to be learned other than the filesystem differences.[05:38:23] <largo> ah[05:38:29] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[05:39:01] <largo> well, I'll try what mmadia suggested and revert to the previous atheroswifi driver...[05:39:10] <largo> and go ahead and build the system with just 1 core enabled.[05:39:13] <l_n> mmadia: just out of curiosity, which os's multithreading has better performance: haiku or lunix?[05:39:28] <largo> or pull the whole thing down, then disable the driver, and build with all 8 cores. probably the better route.[05:39:43] <mmadia> well... linux is a kernel, not an os.[05:40:01] <l_n> mmadia: meh, by convention, gnu/linux is known simply as 'linux'[05:40:27] <l_n> much to RMS's chagrin.[05:40:39] <mmadia> yes, but the range of software that runs on linux to create the OS is varied.[05:40:41] * l_n mutters something about a crazy hippy.[05:41:25] <mmadia> and it only takes one single threaded monster to bring degrade the end-user experience.[05:41:33] <mmadia> just look at bezilla on haiku.[05:42:11] <largo> woot. just wrangled another Haiku user. and this one can actually code rather well.[05:43:18] <mmadia> l_n : BeOS & Haiku are extremely multi-threaded from the ground up. it also provides a more responsive feel.[05:43:53] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[05:44:26] <mmadia> ... though, i'm sure Haiku's scheduler and ability to scale well on >4 cores could be improved.[05:45:27] *** marmida has joined #haiku[05:46:26] <l_n> so, essentially, the be/haiku approach to threading is much more elegant and strictly enforced when compared to *nix applications/kernels due to differences in design philosophy and implementation[05:46:31] <l_n> ?[05:47:39] <mmadia> iirc, when you build a simple program using the BeAPI, the API itself will provide multi-threading at numerous points.[05:47:47] <mmadia> as in built-in, without effort.[05:48:41] <mmadia> though it's been a long time since i looked at the beapi, as i gave up on c/c++ a while ago.[05:51:12] <l_n> yeah, i seem to remember reading something about the fact that the beapi programmer really doesn't have to think much about threading...[05:53:00] <mmadia> if you really want a comparison, find someone with dual-370's and ask them :)[05:56:43] *** triplez has quit IRC[06:12:20] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[06:15:29] *** triplez has joined #haiku[06:18:33] *** hdanak has quit IRC[06:21:25] <l_n> ack.. it's 00:24.. time for bed[06:21:37] *** l_n has quit IRC[06:22:12] <jmayfield_> mmm.. mercurial[06:24:44] *** |judgen| has quit IRC[06:24:59] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[06:25:31] *** DDevine has quit IRC[06:25:36] *** orbframe has joined #haiku[06:39:05] *** Advant has quit IRC[06:42:34] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[06:43:03] *** Advant has joined #haiku[06:47:05] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[06:53:43] *** HaikUbuntu has joined #haiku[06:54:21] *** HaikUbuntu has quit IRC[07:06:23] <largo> jmayfield_: all my friends keep saying that mercurial is so much better than svn etc. :/[07:07:02] <jmayfield_> i've been using svn for years now.. been using mercurial for some personal projects recently, and i really like it[07:07:53] <mmadia> +1 hg, hgsvn too.[07:09:38] *** jmayfield_ has left #haiku[07:09:48] *** jmayfield_ has joined #haiku[07:09:50] <largo> http://hginit.com/[07:09:51] <jmayfield_> oops[07:09:52] <jmayfield_> heh[07:09:55] <largo> a friend sent me that recently.[07:10:01] <largo> I think he meant it as a subtle hint. :P[07:10:13] <jmayfield_> crtl-w does a totally different action in xchat versus vim[07:13:50] <largo> haha[07:23:46] *** fhein has joined #haiku[07:33:52] *** Kokito has quit IRC[07:34:05] *** |nfamy has joined #haiku[07:48:29] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[07:48:53] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[07:58:41] <CIA-50> humdinger * r35764 /haiku/trunk/docs/ (725 files in 67 dirs): Updated the translations of the user guide. Haiku-doc.css was moved into the userguide|welcome folder, the html-dtd folder was removed. Thanks to all contributers.[08:03:16] <largo> wow... that's a heck of an update. :)[08:07:08] *** m0ns0ku has quit IRC[08:15:34] *** ormandj has joined #haiku[08:15:59] <ormandj> http://ormandj.corenode.com/images/haiku/haiku-pj.jpg <-- vesa, but on a 110" HD projector. can't wait till i can get a video driver functioning with the X4500HD[08:20:48] <orbframe> nice[08:29:38] <orbframe> using haiku in vmware makes me miss BeOS so much...[08:29:45] <orbframe> but haiku is coming long awesomely[08:36:25] <ormandj> yes, yes it is[08:36:46] <ormandj> web+ is making it quite usable for browsing, it's a breath of fresh air[08:43:21] *** _4pLaY has quit IRC[08:43:56] *** The123king has joined #haiku[08:46:29] <|nfamy> Is there anyone working on drivers for the intel 4500 and the newer intel graphics card built into the new core i5/i7 mobiles?[08:48:12] *** [r4] has quit IRC[08:49:10] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[08:52:07] *** wildur has joined #haiku[08:56:54] *** orbframe has left 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are different versions because people want them for various reasons[10:38:20] *** cherrypai has joined #haiku[10:40:18] <OmniMancer> m0ns00n: the alpha1 is a gcc2 hybrid system[10:41:52] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[10:47:48] *** PathagenX has quit IRC[10:49:03] *** knottnhupfer has joined #haiku[10:53:44] *** triplez has quit IRC[10:57:28] *** knottnhupfer has quit IRC[10:57:37] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[11:03:28] *** wildur has quit IRC[11:21:11] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[11:28:01] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[11:30:59] *** hmt has quit IRC[11:35:27] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[11:37:04] *** knottnhupfer has joined #haiku[11:39:17] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[11:40:03] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[11:49:15] <m0ns00n> ok[12:10:47] *** peerkoel has quit IRC[12:11:50] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[12:12:26] *** Ola has joined #haiku[12:12:54] *** Ola is now known as Guest33786[12:13:38] *** Guest33786 is now known as OlaHughson[12:18:50] *** idefix_xifedi has 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laptop and in a vm[12:42:35] <auronandace> i use the alpha release for the laptop[12:44:34] *** hmt has joined #haiku[12:44:39] *** AlexAnteMachina has joined #haiku[12:44:43] <AlexAnteMachina> hi[12:44:46] <auronandace> hi[12:44:59] <Koshie> auronandace, really ?[12:45:21] <hmt> Disappointing to see the stream of unbootable nightlies continues :( I get bootman but it doesn't see the CD as a bootable volume[12:45:33] <AlexAnteMachina> well, I just came across haiku by chance[12:46:37] <hmt> this is the gcc2hybrid from 4th March[12:46:51] <AlexAnteMachina> I've just watched a video-demo showing haiku.[12:47:08] <AlexAnteMachina> Now I'd like to know why one should use it.[12:47:31] <AlexAnteMachina> Maybe it's just my lack of Knowledge, but to me it looks very much like an left over oldtimer.[12:47:35] <hmt> AlexAnteMachina: If you don't know, don't use it[12:47:45] <Koshie> :)[12:47:57] <AlexAnteMachina> How can I know if nobody tells?[12:48:23] <hmt> AlexAnteMachina: We're not here to try and sell it to you[12:48:44] <AlexAnteMachina> so what r u here for?[12:49:10] <OmniMancer> telling you about it and helping you use it not sell it to you if you do not wish to use it[12:49:15] <hmt> Its very much for devs, testers and BeOS enthusiasts atm, not really public/ 'normal user' consumption[12:49:59] <hmt> besides, the latest nighlies don't boot :([12:50:21] <AlexAnteMachina> well, i came here to hear/learn what's the benefit of using that system instead of linux[12:51:09] <hmt> AlexAnteMachina: Not much, when it has a stable release and a number of native apps, then it will come into its own[12:51:32] <hmt> It already has native apps of course but they're pretty thin on the ground[12:51:48] <AlexAnteMachina> and what makes people develop it?[12:51:54] <auronandace> webpositive is comming along nicely[12:51:58] <AlexAnteMachina> there must be somthing driving them.[12:52:13] <hmt> BeOS fans who want an updated/ modern and open source BeOS clone[12:52:29] <AlexAnteMachina> Ah, okay.[12:52:54] <hmt> with better POSIX comptibility than BeOS/ Zeta had[12:53:01] <AlexAnteMachina> so I need more info about beos.... I'll go asking wikipedia.[12:53:02] <hmt> hence Linux apps easier to port[12:53:37] <OmniMancer> BeOS had some nice features[12:53:40] <hmt> but of course what we want are new, shiny Haiku native apps[12:53:45] <OmniMancer> it used threading just about everywhere[12:53:55] <OmniMancer> which is why we don't port X11 :P[12:54:05] <OmniMancer> it had a good media framework[12:54:23] <OmniMancer> I personally like the tabs on windows :P[12:55:05] <auronandace> i like the uptime counter in the about system[12:55:57] <OmniMancer> I like the workspaces replicant[12:56:03] <OmniMancer> ah yes it has replicants :D[12:56:07] <OmniMancer> they are fun :P[12:56:25] <hmt> Is no-one else having problems booting nightlies from the last week or so or has no-one else tried?[12:57:16] <OmniMancer> I need to update my hardware install, I shall try booting a nightly from recently soon hmr[12:57:18] <OmniMancer> hmt[12:57:26] <hmt> I really want to update to see if the USB KDLs have been fixed[12:57:58] <auronandace> i tried 3 march nighly in virtualbox, that has problems booting[12:58:11] <hmt> I can KDL everytime trying to dd zero a USB drive[12:59:43] <hmt> and from what I've been told there is no other way to update ie no online update system yet[12:59:53] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[13:01:25] <OmniMancer> no you have to install from an image currently[13:02:03] <AlexAnteMachina> can that image be run as a liveCD?[13:02:03] <hmt> AlexAnteMachina: I like Haikus quick boot, shutdown, responsiveness and small memory footprint compared to Linux DEs and other modern OSs. It uses less than half the RAM of OSX[13:02:50] <hmt> AlexAnteMachina: I can only boot nightlies from before 24th Feb- shortly after that it stopped booting as a live CD[13:03:05] <hmt> up to 24th, I should say[13:03:25] <AlexAnteMachina> humm.... maybe I'll have a look at it using VirtualBox[13:03:37] <hmt> Don't think I tried 25th and 26th but 27th was a no-go[13:03:38] <OmniMancer> the cd boots as a live CD[13:03:52] <auronandace> don't forget to install bootman in virtualbox aswell[13:04:27] <OmniMancer> try the alpha if you want to see more programs, it's a bit old and still has some bugs that have been fixed but has more software in it than the nightlies.[13:04:45] <auronandace> i was pleasantly suprised that there's a graphical installer for bootman[13:05:52] <hmt> Why isn't there a big obvious button for this in the installer yet?[13:05:55] <OmniMancer> auronandace: is it separate from the haiku installer or is it the install boot sector button?[13:06:00] <OmniMancer> for what?[13:06:17] <hmt> I know typing 'bootman' isn't hard bt you need to know that command exists[13:06:36] <hmt> what it does etc[13:07:24] <auronandace> i use a live cd to setup a partition, then use the haiku installer to initialise it and install, then i reload the haiku live image and type bootman in the terminal then restart[13:07:37] <hmt> I've not actually tried installing bootman to my HD yet as I use grub[13:08:08] <OlaHughson> mrrrrr[13:08:11] <OmniMancer> yea my hardware install uses grub too[13:08:21] <auronandace> i use grub on the bare metal too, but it's a neccessary step if you want it to boot in a vm[13:08:31] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[13:08:34] <OmniMancer> since I have linux on the box mostly for getting and dding the nightlies to the temp partition[13:08:47] <hmt> Does grub detect XP, Vista, 7, OSX and various Linux distros and auto-add them to its menu?[13:09:03] <OmniMancer> auronandace: I never had issues with it so far in a vm[13:09:22] <OmniMancer> as long as I pushed the setup bootsector button in the installer[13:09:32] <hmt> sorry, does bootman detect all those OSs automatically[13:09:35] <OmniMancer> although the last time was a while ago...[13:10:00] <hmt> or does it just boot/detect your Haiku install?[13:10:26] <auronandace> i never know whether to press the wite to boot sector after or before the install[13:10:48] <hmt> auronandace: I agree thats confusing[13:11:38] <hmt> What is that supposed to do anyway? It doesn't seem to install bootman[13:11:49] <auronandace> after the install, it says its already written haiku to the boot sector[13:12:01] <OmniMancer> it does makebootable[13:12:04] <OmniMancer> I think[13:13:01] <hmt> I have had haiku boot from grub successfully without having to click that as I think installing does that anyway so whats the point? It should be replaced with 'Install bootman'[13:13:37] <OmniMancer> :/[13:13:43] <OmniMancer> well I don't know[13:13:53] <auronandace> i agree, but i like the fact that it doesnt just install bootman over your mbr without warning[13:13:59] <OmniMancer> all I know is that I don't think you need bootman in a vm...[13:14:07] <CIA-50> mmadia * r35765 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages:[13:14:07] <CIA-50> Updates the Welcome optional package, to copy Haiku-doc.css from[13:14:07] <CIA-50> docs/userguide/. Fixes build that add that package.[13:14:37] <hmt> yes, installing bootman should be optional but it needs to be brought out as a clickable option before R1[13:14:55] <auronandace> i totally agree[13:15:20] <OmniMancer> indeed[13:15:28] <hmt> settled then :)[13:15:52] <OmniMancer> also don't you not technically need bootman if you install haiku to the whole disk and it's the only thing on the disk[13:15:59] <OmniMancer> as would be the case in a vm?[13:16:04] <hmt> now can someone make the nightlies boot on real harware again pleeeeeease![13:17:09] <auronandace> everytime i've installed haiku in a vm on the whole disk, i've always had to give it a partition first and install bootman afterwards[13:17:47] <auronandace> maybe that just happens to be my habbit[13:18:26] <hmt> OmniMancer: Not in my experience. I've tried installing Haiku on bare metal to a full partition and it was el no-booto without grub. As I say, I've not tried installing bootman yet but thats not done automatically[13:18:27] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[13:18:30] *** hdanak has quit IRC[13:19:13] <hmt> does bootman aito-detect various Windows, Linux, BSDs etc?[13:19:28] <hmt> s/alto/auto[13:19:40] <auronandace> i think the graphical installer lets you choose[13:20:07] <auronandace> i've never tried bootman on bare metal though[13:20:34] <auronandace> good thing is, it backs up your mbr[13:20:47] <hmt> nice![13:21:12] <OmniMancer> yay[13:22:17] <auronandace> as far as i understand it, it will recognise them and then chainload their bootloader, like grub or ntloader, but cant boot them directly[13:22:20] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[13:22:45] <OmniMancer> can grub be installed into not the mbr?[13:22:57] <hmt> yup[13:23:27] <auronandace> some linux distros, ubuntu included, offer where to install grub[13:24:05] <waveshaper> is there a pdf version of the api somewhere?[13:24:06] <auronandace> you can put it on the root partition of the distro or the mbr[13:24:07] *** BGA has joined #haiku[13:24:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[13:24:37] <OmniMancer> waveshaper: I doubt it[13:25:15] <OmniMancer> does grub have any mode where it can be a standalone bootloader without the linux partition?[13:25:49] <auronandace> not that i know of[13:26:12] <auronandace> i've always had to have it on a linux partition[13:26:19] <OmniMancer> kk[13:26:28] <auronandace> or just in it's own boot partition[13:26:29] <hmt> OmniMancer: I was wondering that, but it seems not. You can just make a real small /boot partition for grub[13:26:39] <OmniMancer> is there anything that is as nice but doesn't need the partition?[13:26:58] <OmniMancer> pretty much so you can install one bootloader in mbr[13:27:21] <OmniMancer> then grub for linux in its own linux partition so that when you remove the linux you don't brick your computer[13:27:54] *** leszek_ has joined #haiku[13:28:08] <auronandace> hmt's suggestion is best[13:28:18] <leszek_> hi[13:28:21] <auronandace> just make a tiny boot partition[13:28:24] <hmt> hi leszek_[13:28:32] *** leszek_ is now known as leszek[13:28:53] *** hmt is now known as danboid[13:30:02] <OmniMancer> probably need the partition anyway since it couldn't have a nice menu or such if it was MBR only :([13:30:25] <danboid> grub does everything now, its even got a mini-emacs and scripting built it[13:30:52] <danboid> cue "So it just needs a good text editor" gag[13:31:13] <OmniMancer> it just needs a full emacs :P[13:31:16] <auronandace> good old slashdot humour[13:32:01] <danboid> In Soviet Russia..[13:32:17] <auronandace> ..text edits YOU[13:32:25] <danboid> thankyou :D[13:32:52] <danboid> can we make a beowulf cluster of these gags?[13:33:26] <auronandace> as long as you don't tell me to get off your lawn[13:33:52] <danboid> and it runs Linux[13:35:03] <danboid> Think what we could've done instead of trawling those comments? Saying that there are some very funny posts[13:35:17] <danboid> and its amazing how fast they pop up[13:35:43] <danboid> and I've learned a lot of great geek tips from doing so[13:36:21] <danboid> comments always know better than TFA[13:37:37] *** auronandace has left #haiku[13:38:37] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[13:39:01] *** leszek has quit IRC[13:39:02] *** helf has quit IRC[13:39:14] *** DraX__ has joined #haiku[13:40:10] <mmu_screen> margiolas: looking for arm port ?[13:40:27] *** PathagenX has quit IRC[13:41:15] *** ahaaha has joined #haiku[13:41:54] *** tic has quit IRC[13:42:56] *** cnuke_ has joined #haiku[13:44:27] *** leszek has joined #haiku[13:44:27] *** helf has joined #haiku[13:47:34] *** DraX has quit IRC[13:47:35] *** cnuke has quit IRC[13:49:12] <mmu_screen> OMG, Apple is getting really arrogant[13:49:18] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[13:49:28] <mmu_screen> first this "the most evolved OS"[13:49:38] <mmu_screen> now this "ultimate upgrade for a PC"[13:50:19] <surrounder> 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default network card[14:47:39] <Auronandace> it should then just use the host network through the nat[14:47:42] <panopticon> i am using vb[14:47:50] <OmniMancer> panopticon: are you running it in a VM, if so make sure the VM has an intel pro 1000 card[14:47:50] <Auronandace> i change it to an intel card[14:48:03] <leszek> Auronandace, WEP is implemented[14:48:20] <panopticon> how do i change it to intel pro 1000?[14:48:26] <leszek> at least one dev has it running[14:48:27] <leszek> :P[14:48:29] <Auronandace> sweet, is that in the nightlies then?[14:48:50] <leszek> I don't know if he submited the changes[14:49:18] <Auronandace> before launching the vm, go into the settings, and check out network[14:49:47] <leszek> panopticon, the virtualmachine system has a virtual network card, go to its preferences and there you are able to change the card[14:50:09] *** Animal-X has joined #haiku[14:50:26] <panopticon> yeah... i found it. thank you[14:51:00] <panopticon> this means that a regular intel pro 1000 card would be compatible with Haiku, if installed on a real system?[14:51:09] <Auronandace> yeah[14:51:17] <Auronandace> it works on my t60[14:51:38] <panopticon> is there a compatible-with-list on the net?[14:52:01] <Auronandace> i think haikuware has a last somewhere[14:52:08] <Auronandace> list[14:52:43] <panopticon> will have a look[14:53:12] <leszek> I got all networkcards working here, from my eeePC 701 , lenovo n200, macbook, a7n8x-x self build pc system[14:53:30] <leszek> haiku is running everywhere just fine[14:54:12] <panopticon> i bet wireless is a bit more challenging...[14:55:12] *** Dean has quit IRC[14:55:20] <leszek> its working fine on both my lenovo n200 and eeePC 701. I didn't test the macbook though and my old asus a7n8x-x pc does not have a wlan[14:55:58] <leszek> I am wondering if my old fritz wlan stick will work with haiku , hmm... need to test this on my eeepc[14:56:10] *** Dean has joined #haiku[14:57:23] * OlaHughson would try a usb wlan card[14:59:21] <leszek> hmm... seems not to work[14:59:38] <OlaHughson> Leszek:)[15:01:19] <OmniMancer> I need to try a wireless USB stick then[15:02:10] <mmadia> wifi usb won't work.[15:02:20] <mmadia> colin mentions it on a blog post on haikuware.[15:02:24] <OlaHughson> heh[15:02:38] <OlaHughson> i have a ovisling one :([15:03:41] * OmniMancer cries.[15:03:56] *** Dean has quit IRC[15:04:54] <mmadia> OmniMancer, you should be 'wep'ing, not crying *yuk yuk*[15:05:10] <danboid> arf arf arf! ;)[15:05:20] <OlaHughson> Furry?[15:08:33] <OmniMancer> that was the sound of laughter![15:08:41] <OmniMancer> weird laughter but laughter![15:08:51] <OlaHughson> ;p[15:09:36] *** oZ] has quit IRC[15:11:27] *** bradct has joined #haiku[15:13:14] *** cherrypai is now known as cherrypie[15:14:43] <OlaHughson> btw[15:14:59] <OlaHughson> when will the hard drive limit remoived?[15:15:08] <OmniMancer> hard drive limit?[15:15:10] <OlaHughson> haiku sees 31.5GBytes of my 80GB HDD[15:15:14] <OlaHughson> as one partition[15:15:28] <OmniMancer> ??[15:15:30] <mmadia> there is no hard drive limit.[15:15:35] <OlaHughson> hmm[15:15:40] <OmniMancer> I shall have to check but I think I have bigger partitions[15:15:49] <OmniMancer> you probably just created something wrong[15:15:50] <danboid> I've got a 50GB partition working here[15:15:52] <mmadia> well... at least now where around 32gb.[15:23:44] <Auronandace> the biggest partition i've used haiku on is 10gb, i've always kept my files on a larger fat partition[15:24:23] <OlaHughson> we have to make a contest about writing haiku abut Haiku[15:24:38] *** AlexAnteMachina has left #haiku[15:25:33] <OmniMancer> Auronandace: ow FAT doesn't have permissions :([15:25:36] <leszek> Auronandace, as I have Haiku finally (after months of simply not booting , for unknown reasons) working on my Asus A7n8x-x. I can access a 160 GB big bfs partition here (created with ZETA though not Haiku, as its really old)[15:25:44] <OmniMancer> it also won't let you have > 4GB files :P[15:26:06] *** oZ1 has joined #haiku[15:26:11] <leszek> yeah fat32 sucks on large media devices[15:26:23] *** oZ1 is now known as oZ][15:26:38] <leszek> xfat is much too proprietary for daily usage[15:27:54] <OmniMancer> also FAT not having permissions makes it useless for transferring files from haiku and back[15:28:23] <Auronandace> i only ever mount it read only[15:28:44] <Auronandace> and i dont have any files over 4gb[15:29:23] <Auronandace> plus windows, linux, opensolaris, *bsd and haiku read fat[15:30:41] <ahaaha> OmniMancer: ? I without problems transfer files from bfs on fat32[15:30:49] *** oZ] has quit IRC[15:31:00] <OmniMancer> the file transfer works fine[15:31:11] <OmniMancer> but all read write execute permissions are silently stripped[15:31:23] <OmniMancer> so everything becomes non executable upon copying back[15:31:31] <OmniMancer> making it pointless unless you archive it[15:32:13] <ahaaha> ah, yes[15:32:56] *** knottnhupfer has quit IRC[15:33:01] <OmniMancer> because if you do that you then have to reset all permissions and it is tedious and pointless[15:33:03] *** sil2100 has joined #haiku[15:33:16] <drano> use ntfs[15:34:28] *** oZ1 has joined #haiku[15:34:29] <OlaHughson> use ext3[15:34:31] *** oZ1 is now known as oZ][15:34:55] <drano> ntfs is really the best solution if you deal with primarily windows/mac/linux[15:35:42] <Auronandace> what is ntfs support like on opensolaris and the bsds[15:36:35] <drano> pretty sure fuse is available for the bsds. probably not opensolaris[15:37:01] <oZ]> Yeah, Fuse is available on opensol as well.[15:37:14] <drano> opensolaris is the biggest pile[15:37:49] <oZ]> compared to?[15:37:59] <drano> everything else?[15:38:06] <oZ]> Heh.[15:38:40] <oZ]> I'll take kernel reliability and ZFS over most of the other options out there, but I suppose it depends on what you're using it for. As a desktop OS, it's kind of a pain in the rear.[15:39:25] <drano> we use it for our server platform here (for now)[15:39:43] <drano> and every developer has one or two opensolaris vms always running on his machine[15:39:46] <oZ]> Gotcha. I'd certainly take opensol over Linux or Windows.[15:40:20] <drano> we're moving to linux, though. easier use of commodity hardware, better community support, opensolaris was EOL'd or whatever, etc.[15:40:55] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[15:41:16] <Auronandace> i thought oracle is going to release a new version soon[15:41:40] <oZ]> People are freaking out because Oracle hasn't said anything official yet, so they assume OpenSolaris is dead.[15:41:42] <drano> hmm yeah, nm on that one[15:41:44] <drano> http://sun.systemnews.com/articles/145/1/OpenSolaris/22882[15:41:49] <drano> Oracle Clarifies No End of Life Set for OpenSolaris[15:41:55] <oZ]> Heh, yeah.[15:42:07] <leszek> :)[15:42:30] <drano> haha listen to this[15:42:32] <drano> "It's important to understand the plan now is to deliver value again out of our IP investment, while at the same time measuring that with continuing to deliver."[15:42:40] <drano> the plan now is to make money again[15:42:49] <drano> from the things we developed[15:43:37] <oZ]> lol.[15:43:43] <oZ]> Sun was horrible at it.[15:43:47] <oZ]> Great technology, piss poor marketing.[15:43:53] <oZ]> (see also Be)[15:44:03] <drano> haha[15:44:10] <Auronandace> what has always confused me was that oracle was behind the btrfs filesystem and now they own sun and zfs[15:44:42] <oZ]> The only reason anyone was behind btrfs was because of devotion to the GPL.[15:45:23] <Auronandace> i thought that btrfs was meant to be a zfs counterpart/competitor[15:45:48] <surrounder> yeah, because GPL is forcing them to reinvent the wheel[15:45:49] <oZ]> It is. The primary reason it exists is because ZFS is CDDL and not GPL.[15:46:27] <leszek> hehe thats true[15:46:31] <Auronandace> i heard that they have tried porting zfs to fuse to avoid licsensing issues[15:46:54] <Auronandace> but that has a major performance hit[15:46:59] <oZ]> Yeah, that was it goes into userland instead of kernel land. Unfortunately, limiting ZFS to userland has some distinct disadvantages.[15:47:00] <oZ]> Exactly.[15:47:38] <leszek> speed is one of them[15:47:39] <ahaaha> oZ]: this wasn't "piss poor marketing" M$ kill Be[15:48:01] <drano> i think it was bad marketing too, obviously[15:48:07] <drano> and don't say "M$"[15:48:10] <drano> it just makes you look dumb[15:50:41] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[15:50:57] <ahaaha> drano: say something yet[15:51:21] <drano> what?[15:51:47] <danboid> Makes you wonder why Oracle don't just re-license OS/ZFS under GPL so they can integrate it into Linux[15:52:12] <Auronandace> now that would be good[15:52:32] <drano> well, now they've got solaris to worry about monetizing[15:53:16] <drano> zfs, however small a part it might have, would be a feature to tout[15:53:22] <panopticon> what's the most user-friendly irc client available for haiku?[15:53:35] <ahaaha> drano: that not saying M$ you look wisely[15:53:38] <Auronandace> i'm using vision[15:53:41] <danboid> panopticon: Whats wrong with Vision?[15:54:01] <panopticon> i didn't realize it was an irc client until now[15:54:03] <surrounder> danboid: that wouldn't be that good imho :P[15:54:03] <danboid> only thing I miss frm xchat is the red line markig where you left off reading[15:54:04] <Auronandace> i found a tutorial to set up the network to connect to freenode[15:54:22] <surrounder> danboid: kinda like the fact the BSD's can use ZFS, too bad the GPL-whiners have to reinvent the wheel[15:54:31] <danboid> Yeah, sounds likean image viewer or summat dunnit?[15:55:01] <surrounder> s/danboid/auronanda[15:55:07] <Auronandace> i only found out today it was an irc client[15:55:47] <Disreali> morning[15:56:16] <danboid> mmadia: Still here?[15:56:24] <mmadia> yes[15:56:30] *** pnoptcn has joined #haiku[15:56:40] *** raichoo has left #haiku[15:57:34] <danboid> Seeing as I can't boot the latest nightlies but I'm eager to update my install, can I not mount a CD of the latest nightly then rsync it against my Be partition to update it?[15:58:16] <Auronandace> can you update it on the fly?[15:58:21] <mmadia> updating the partition you booted into can be tricky.[15:58:25] <OmniMancer> if the cd isn't booting don't you think that putting it into your haiku install will cause it not to boot...[15:58:55] <danboid> Can I not mount BFS under sysresccd?[15:59:17] <danboid> not tried that yet[15:59:19] *** GeneralMaximus has quit IRC[15:59:19] *** leszek has quit IRC[15:59:19] *** helf has quit IRC[15:59:41] <mmadia> http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku/Update-Haiku-from-Haiku,16[16:00:04] <pnoptcn> what web browsers are recommended to use under Haiku?[16:00:08] <danboid> You can apparently fuse mount zfs on the latest sysresccd btw, zfs fans[16:00:35] <danboid> pnoptcn: I switch between Bezilla and Arora but Web+ is shaping up nicely[16:00:56] <Auronandace> i tend to use bezilla, but it's based on firefox 2[16:01:13] <pnoptcn> i just downloaded Arora, will give it a go![16:01:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmadia[16:01:34] <DDevine> pnoptcn: Arora is good.[16:02:07] <danboid> Arora lets you print to ps/pdf, bezilla not[16:02:27] <pnoptcn> i guess flash is not yet available through any browser?[16:02:36] <DDevine> It is[16:02:38] <danboid> gnash works under bezilla[16:02:44] <Auronandace> i think gnash works on the nightlies[16:03:53] <pnoptcn> any guides around on how to apply gnash?[16:04:05] <DDevine> I think there is somewhere.[16:04:18] <Auronandace> probably on haikuware[16:04:29] <danboid> instructions are in the gnash archives[16:04:42] *** GeneralMaximus has joined #haiku[16:04:42] *** leszek has joined #haiku[16:04:42] *** helf has joined #haiku[16:04:48] <DDevine> And I don't think you are restricted to using Gnash with Bezilla as it uses the Netscape plugin standard which should work in Aurora.[16:04:49] <OmniMancer> do the nightly raw images boot okay?[16:04:57] <danboid> you need to install the pkg and then run a script to fetch the dependencies before it'll work[16:05:02] <surrounder> OmniMancer: not here[16:05:06] <danboid> OmniMancer: No[16:05:25] <danboid> mmadia: Thanks for the link, I'll give it a go now[16:05:26] <mmadia> ACPI issues or ... ?[16:05:49] <surrounder> could be, haven't really tried really hard...[16:05:58] <OmniMancer> then please don't update any systems from the nightlies or you will have a nasty surprise[16:06:02] <danboid> bootman doesn't list the cdrom as a bootable volume in last nights gcc2hybrid[16:06:21] <OmniMancer> I mean the raw harddisk image[16:06:49] <danboid> I've tried booting the raw off usb, bootman doesn't even show[16:07:11] <surrounder> it hangs at the last icon here...is that an acpi issue ?[16:07:16] <danboid> last nights gcc2hybrid raw, dd'd to usb undet Linux[16:07:35] <danboid> dd'd - like it![16:07:43] <surrounder> hehe[16:08:05] <OmniMancer> I think I shall try to put a latest nightly raw directly on my temp partition[16:08:05] <pnoptcn> danboid, is it gnash 087 (playback) i need?[16:08:10] <OmniMancer> and try boot off that[16:09:33] <danboid> pnoptcn: http://adek336.republika.pl/haiku-gnash/[16:10:09] <danboid> Anyone got gnash working under Arora or web+?[16:10:59] <danboid> I suppose web+ doesn't do plugins yet but Arora is supposed to, at least under Lin/Win[16:11:07] <OmniMancer> why can't we just have the internet stop using flash for videos?[16:11:15] <danboid> +9999999[16:11:24] <danboid> Die, flash, DIE![16:11:27] <danboid> me no like[16:11:34] <OmniMancer> and then have someone make a flash plugin specifically for games[16:11:50] <danboid> no flash please, at all[16:11:52] <OmniMancer> or better yet make a spec for browsers to have similar functionality in the rendered[16:11:57] <OmniMancer> renderer[16:12:47] <danboid> We're waiting on Google to open source their VP8 codec of for people to stop whining and use ogg thusnelda[16:12:50] <Auronandace> then internet explorer can just ignore the spec and we are back to square one[16:12:53] <mmadia> danboid : iirc the gnash maintainer merged adek336's patches.[16:13:01] <danboid> great![16:13:15] <ahaaha> pnoptcn: do not use 0.8.7 on this moment[16:13:41] <OmniMancer> I think people don't use ogg because they can't sue xiph if it breaks something[16:13:42] <ahaaha> pnoptcn: this version need little fix[16:13:42] <danboid> Will Nokia adopt the Haiku patches for QT or will we have to wait until R1 for that to happen?[16:13:58] <ahaaha> in Haiku version[16:14:05] <Auronandace> isn't ogg based on an earlier version of that vp codec?[16:14:12] <danboid> Google are much more sueable I suppose[16:14:13] <OmniMancer> Auronandace: no we can just have the site put up a message saying you can't use IE[16:14:17] <Auronandace> or should i say vorbis?[16:14:31] <danboid> yes it is an earlier VP[16:14:53] <danboid> based on[16:14:56] <OmniMancer> ogg is a transport stream[16:15:10] <OmniMancer> theora is based on something xiph bought[16:15:16] <OmniMancer> and vorbis I have no idea[16:15:20] <danboid> and don't forget your GNU/Linux kernel ;)[16:15:24] <OmniMancer> speex is nice and is actually used a bit[16:15:45] <Auronandace> i've always looked at ogg as a container format[16:15:47] * OmniMancer must sleep, 4:18am[16:15:58] <OmniMancer> its a nice container format too[16:16:02] <OmniMancer> but I must sleep[16:16:06] * OmniMancer zzzzzzzz[16:16:13] <danboid> don't sleep, we're just getting onto transports and containers![16:16:17] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[16:16:41] <danboid> just as the excitement really kicks in you have a kip!?[16:17:03] *** pnoptcn has quit IRC[16:18:21] *** Disreali_ has joined #haiku[16:18:24] *** Disreali has quit IRC[16:18:35] <danboid> So, does tar and mkiso retain all the BeFS 'special stuff' when I come to doing that stuff?[16:20:15] <Auronandace> i've never used either so i wouldn't have a clue[16:20:26] <danboid> ie archiving my be partition[16:20:39] <mmadia> zip is the only archive format that support BFS attributes.[16:20:42] <leszek> danboid, I don't think so , they don't even have support for extended attributes on linux, so I highly doubt it that the haiku devs build that in[16:20:55] <leszek> yep zip works[16:21:02] <leszek> or using a bfs image file[16:21:03] <leszek> :P[16:21:07] <danboid> mmadia: That was not the answer I was expecting but good to know[16:21:27] <danboid> surprised no-one has patched tar for this yet[16:23:13] <danboid> How do I make a bfs image?[16:23:25] <danboid> you mean dd?[16:34:45] <danboid> I think you mean the BeSly image creator but I think I'll stick with zips as its the universal standard[16:34:48] *** biesi has quit IRC[16:38:46] <leszek> danboid, I meant dd :)[16:39:11] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[16:39:12] <leszek> those images are readable/writeable with bfs_fuse under linux.[16:39:33] <leszek> I think if you extract or add something to the zip file the file attributes are lost[16:40:07] <danboid> Thats what I expected but not according to mmadia[16:42:36] <leszek> hmm...[16:43:03] <leszek> under linux adding a file to zip extracts it and creates a new zip, (at least with file-roller)[16:45:08] <HeTo> leszek: info-zip zip has the -u option, you could just add files[16:47:11] <leszek> nice[16:47:52] *** danboid has quit IRC[16:48:33] *** lorglas has quit IRC[16:49:09] *** panopticon has quit IRC[16:51:04] *** hmt has joined #haiku[16:51:46] <hmt> Just updated by replacing my /system dir as per axels instructins and all seems to be well[16:52:39] <hmt> Abou this system says I'm current anyway[16:53:11] *** orbframe has joined #haiku[16:53:48] <hmt> spoke to soon![16:53:50] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[16:54:08] *** Megaf_ has quit IRC[16:54:09] <hmt> When I open the terminal it says sed is missing[16:54:40] <hmt> I'll try copying that off the cd on its own[16:56:44] <hmt> Actually sed does seem to be missing on the latest nightly[16:57:04] <hmt> Its not is system/bin anyway[16:57:54] <humdinger> hmt: this has been addressed on the mailinglists recently.[16:58:09] <humdinger> sed, for the time being, isn't part of the bare nightlies.[16:58:20] <hmt> GASP! Poor sed![16:58:30] <humdinger> as "installoptionalpackages" also depends on sed, it's a bit awkward...[16:58:44] <hmt> Why you being so nasty to our text processing pal?[16:58:47] *** biesi has joined #haiku[16:58:56] <humdinger> IIRC sed shall be part of a BasicCommandlineTools optional package.[16:59:05] <orbframe> sed is missing? quick, let's make milk cartons[16:59:06] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[16:59:20] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[16:59:23] <hmt> orbframe: I'm with you! Send out the hounds![16:59:33] <humdinger> There's some rational behind it, but I haven't followed it closely.[16:59:48] <hmt> There is no excuse for dumping sed[17:00:04] <humdinger> see the mailing list archives for answers[17:00:04] <hmt> Its like dropping ls, almost[17:00:18] <orbframe> im a few builds back... sed still exists in my alternate universe[17:00:28] <humdinger> it's not dropped, it's just moved into a seperate package.[17:00:31] <orbframe> not that i use it but.... it's there ;)[17:00:42] <hmt> How I pine for your superior reality orbframe[17:01:11] <hmt> s'ok, I'll just copy it off an older nightly I have here[17:01:32] <hmt> Then I can s/this/that to my hearts content[17:01:58] <hmt> and stop the terminal nagging[17:02:09] *** hmt is now known as danboid[17:02:44] *** margiolas has quit IRC[17:04:19] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[17:07:48] <danboid> and another problem is that most of the icons for programs in the menus are gone and replaced by the 3 coloured cubes pic[17:08:17] <danboid> no showstopper, but can I get them back?[17:08:53] <humdinger> danboid: what exactly did you do?[17:09:27] <danboid> I replaced my /boot/system folder with one from latest nightly[17:09:35] <danboid> under Haiku[17:09:46] <danboid> like our man Axel[17:10:15] <danboid> coz latest nightlys no-booto[17:10:38] <humdinger> hmm. strange. doing that while under Haiku should have copied attributes as well...[17:11:01] <danboid> I copied it off a CD , if that makes any diff[17:12:09] <humdinger> It should not. Try staring the Installer and use the CD as Source.[17:12:24] <humdinger> starting would be better that starring...[17:13:06] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[17:15:30] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[17:15:57] <danboid> humdinger: Thats not an option as I cannot select the haiku cd a a source, my BFS partition being the only option. However, as I run programs from the menu their respective icons re-appear so prob solved[17:16:09] *** triplez has joined #haiku[17:16:19] <humdinger> ah, good :)[17:16:36] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[17:17:52] *** l3thal has quit IRC[17:18:08] <humdinger> danboid: You could use "mimeset -apps ./" from Terminal to force identification.[17:18:22] <humdinger> At least I think that would take care of your icons.[17:22:23] *** danboid has quit IRC[17:27:13] *** humdinger has quit IRC[17:29:04] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[17:33:22] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[17:48:54] *** mmlr_mc has joined #haiku[17:56:46] <CIA-50> stippi * r288 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebCoreSupport/ChromeClientHaiku.h: Removed no longer needed method prototype.[18:03:34] <CIA-50> stippi * r289 /webkit/trunk/ (7 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)[18:03:34] <CIA-50> Should be two separate commits, but has changes in BWebPage for both:[18:03:34] <CIA-50> * Moved page creation from both ChromeClientHaiku and FrameLoaderClientHaiku[18:03:34] <CIA-50> into BWebPage. This resolves sub-frames being unable to create new pages,[18:03:34] <CIA-50> since they are not directly connected to a listener messenger. And creating[18:03:34] <CIA-50> new pages via the ChromeClient now also uses the respective implementation[18:03:35] <CIA-50> for embedding the new views, i.e. into new tabs in WebPositive.[18:04:06] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[18:07:07] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[18:11:20] *** leszek has quit IRC[18:14:47] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[18:15:36] *** ahaaha has quit IRC[18:16:01] <CIA-50> stippi * r290 /webkit/trunk/WebCore/platform/haiku/PopupMenuHaiku.cpp:[18:16:01] <CIA-50> Fixed weird click behavior of popup menus (menu fields). They would somehow[18:16:01] <CIA-50> require a second click before.[18:18:18] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[18:19:12] *** bjl- has quit IRC[18:24:37] *** DebianTUX has joined #haiku[18:24:40] <DebianTUX> hello all.[18:24:55] <humdinger> hey DebianTUX[18:24:55] <DebianTUX> BGA nossa, lembro de voce dos tempos do beos-br na brasnet[18:25:55] <DebianTUX> sorry, just spoke in portuguese[18:26:08] <humdinger> I guessed that :)[18:26:18] <humdinger> recognizing the name BGA :)[18:26:30] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[18:26:47] <BGA> DebianTUX: Heh.[18:26:58] <DebianTUX> well, this is mor a discussion than a question: just installed haiku on my macbook white (old, not unibody), beos boots, but dont work. seems to freeze, but just cant check it. no input responds[18:27:24] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[18:29:13] <DebianTUX> but, whatever. it works fine under vmware. just satisfyed[18:34:07] *** peerkoel has quit IRC[18:37:59] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[18:39:03] <orbframe> i wanted to run native but vmware works for now[18:39:25] <orbframe> im in debt to the haiku team for satisfying my beos appetite[18:40:15] *** peerkoel has joined #haiku[18:41:51] <CIA-50> stippi * r291 /webkit/trunk/WebCore/platform/haiku/ContextMenuItemHaiku.cpp:[18:41:51] <CIA-50> Fix the crashes when polulating context menus for editable content:[18:41:51] <CIA-50> * Correctly release the platform BMenu from ContextMenus.[18:41:51] <CIA-50> * Perform NULL checks everywhere.[18:41:51] <CIA-50> Submenus in context menus are a work in progress...[18:42:52] <humdinger> hmmm... context menus in Web+...[18:44:50] *** Ola has joined #haiku[18:45:19] *** Ola is now known as Guest91530[18:45:23] *** Guest91530 is now known as OlaHughson[18:45:25] *** stippi has joined #haiku[18:45:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[18:45:59] *** J-Ho has left #haiku[18:47:08] *** impulse has quit IRC[18:47:29] *** impy has joined #haiku[18:48:27] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[18:52:38] <DebianTUX> well, i want to help, but dont know how. what can i code for haiku? how do i help?[18:52:44] *** e-jones has quit IRC[18:54:20] <DebianTUX> may i code right under haiku? or gcc/linux? i need some boot up (not to be kicked away :P )[18:55:51] <oZ]> Code can be created and compiled from within Haiku, no separate Be or Linux instance required.[18:56:17] <stippi> DebianTUX: What do you want to code?[18:56:17] <DebianTUX> cool. reading development page[18:56:52] <DebianTUX> stippi well, specialy not long things, not much free time to code outside work[18:57:05] <DebianTUX> but, about anything, i supose.[18:57:11] <stippi> DebianTUX: It's up to you really.[18:57:25] <stippi> DebianTUX: Usually it doesn't work to tell anyone what to do.[18:57:47] <stippi> DebianTUX: Either you feel the need for something specific, or you don't. :-)[18:57:48] <DebianTUX> stippi cool. i will set up this haiku box, read some code and see what can i do[18:57:55] <stippi> Sure.[18:58:26] <DebianTUX> stippi well, i dont NEED anything, so, anything that shows up, i would like to help[18:58:36] *** brian__ has joined #haiku[18:58:45] *** brian__ is now known as bjl[18:58:49] *** bjl is now known as bjl-[18:58:52] <stippi> DebianTUX: Why would you be motivated?[18:59:06] <oZ]> DebianTUX: WPA. ;)[19:00:08] <DraX__> wpa really needs to wait for bosii's new wifi stack[19:00:36] <DraX__> because otherwise you'd have to shoe horn the wifi notifications it into the ethernet stack, and i doubt that'd get accepted[19:00:46] <DebianTUX> oZ] do we have any wifi stack for start?[19:00:59] <DebianTUX> oh[19:01:01] <DraX__> we have wifi drivers[19:01:11] <DraX__> that are built using a freebsd compat layer[19:01:23] <DraX__> that on the haiku stack side are shoe-horned into the ethernet stack[19:01:38] <DraX__> the person that did all the awesome wifi work is working on a bona fide wifi stack on the haiku end[19:01:38] <DebianTUX> DraX__ i read something about that while searching if airport would or not work[19:01:52] *** DraX__ is now known as DraX[19:01:56] <orbframe> i wish i could code and contribute... im just a user[19:02:01] *** DraX has quit IRC[19:02:01] *** DraX has joined #haiku[19:02:12] <orbframe> im good at finding bugs and complaining i guess lol[19:03:26] <DebianTUX> DraX im reading. will see what i can do. but i like to do user interaction stuff, actualy[19:03:27] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[19:04:09] <DraX> i'm recommending you _not_ work on wifi right now[19:04:36] <DebianTUX> DraX ok :)[19:05:20] <mmadia> orbframe : there are many areas to contribute.[19:05:26] <mmadia> c/c++ is but a fraction.[19:05:50] <DebianTUX> there are introduction tasks, cool[19:07:25] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[19:13:30] *** mmlr_mc has quit IRC[19:14:00] <mmadia> DebianTUX : you can also grok the source for TODO http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/[19:17:47] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[19:19:36] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[19:22:36] *** Auronandace has quit IRC[19:26:39] *** diogen has quit IRC[19:50:41] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[19:52:18] *** GeneralMaximus has quit IRC[19:57:21] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[20:10:09] *** idefix_xifedi has quit IRC[20:20:10] *** korli has joined #haiku[20:20:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[20:20:14] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[20:21:59] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[20:28:07] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[20:28:26] *** luroh has joined #haiku[20:30:29] *** ormandj has quit IRC[20:31:14] *** PulkoMandy_ has joined #haiku[20:34:11] <CIA-50> stippi * r292 /webkit/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[20:34:11] <CIA-50> Use BMenu again in ContextMenu, which makes it work better as submenu, and convert[20:34:11] <CIA-50> to BPopUpMenu at the top-evel (BWebPage).[20:34:33] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[20:36:44] <AlienSoldier> i just noticed file size update in real time like for fat32, it was not like that on R5, is that like that since long?[20:37:16] *** humdinger has quit IRC[20:37:49] *** idefix_xifedi has quit IRC[20:40:24] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[20:51:20] *** Auronandace has joined #haiku[20:51:34] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[20:55:30] *** VinDuv_ has joined #haiku[20:57:24] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[20:58:50] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[21:05:59] <largo> AlienSoldier: it was like that for BFS though right? I seem to remember that that was one of the cool features on BeOS.[21:07:03] <AlienSoldier> largo not on R5 for BFS, it was like that on R5 for fat32 partition only[21:11:37] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[21:12:49] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[21:13:53] <Anarchos> largo what are you looking on R5/BFS ?[21:14:58] *** kirilla has quit IRC[21:15:23] <largo> Anarchos: I'm not. :) I was just referring to AlienSoldier's comment about "AlienSoldier: i just noticed file size update in real time like for fat32, it was not like that on R5, is that like that since long?"[21:15:58] <largo> I seem to remember that back in the day, if you were downloading a file, the file size shown for the file on disk would update as the file was being downloaded... to show you the "realtime" size on disk.[21:16:03] <largo> I thought that was a neat feature.[21:16:47] <AlienSoldier> but it's not on R5 :) it just show 0 until the file operation is done[21:18:43] *** Kroki has joined #haiku[21:22:29] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[21:24:05] *** PathagenX has joined #haiku[21:25:25] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[21:25:53] *** PulkoMandy_ has quit IRC[21:34:05] *** leszek has joined #haiku[21:34:22] <leszek> re[21:36:01] <largo> re[21:36:18] * largo watching old BeOS videos to try to find where he saw that realtime file size updating...[21:36:38] <helf> wasnt that with the beos demo video Be put out?[21:37:19] <leszek> realtime file size updating ? what do you mean by that ?[21:37:35] <helf> as the file grows in size, it shows it in tracker[21:38:36] <CIA-50> stippi * r293 /webkit/trunk/WebCore/platform/haiku/ (ContextMenuHaiku.cpp ContextMenuItemHaiku.cpp): (log message trimmed)[21:38:36] <CIA-50> ContextMenuHaiku:[21:38:36] <CIA-50> * Set the target messenger recursively when appending items, whis makes sure[21:38:36] <CIA-50> items from submenus get invoked properly.[21:38:36] <CIA-50> * Use a much more robust way to create the temporary ContextMenuItem when[21:38:36] <CIA-50> receiving the invokation message, the platformDescription of the ContextMenu[21:38:37] <CIA-50> may be gone and not even contain the item (sub menus).[21:38:57] <leszek> isn't that default on any os ?[21:39:24] *** DmitryM has quit IRC[21:39:35] *** BGA has left #haiku[21:39:56] <stippi> largo: It didn't work in the original BeOS for files on BFS volumes. Those updated only once they had their final size.[21:41:05] <AlienSoldier> see, i am not crazy :)[21:41:48] *** oZ] has quit IRC[21:42:21] *** oZ1 has joined #haiku[21:44:12] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[21:47:57] <CIA-50> kirilla * r35767 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/mail/ (MailWindow.cpp WIndex.cpp WIndex.h Words.cpp): Partial clean-up[21:48:17] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[21:49:10] *** l3thal has joined #haiku[21:49:33] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[21:50:24] *** DebianTUX has quit IRC[22:04:52] *** korli has quit IRC[22:08:07] *** VinDuv_ has quit IRC[22:10:03] <largo> helf: yeah, I know I saw it in a video back in the day... but it's not in the BeOS demo vid you find on the net now. it seems as stippi and others were saying, that it doesn't work on BFS :/ which is really odd... because I swear I saw that touted as a feature.[22:10:20] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[22:10:40] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[22:11:15] *** mvfranz has joined #haiku[22:13:28] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[22:14:50] *** bradct has left #haiku[22:14:53] *** bradct has joined #haiku[22:17:26] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[22:17:40] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[22:24:14] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[22:24:31] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[22:27:53] *** Auronandace has quit IRC[22:30:06] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[22:32:35] <fhein> was BeOS written in object oriented C++?[22:32:41] *** Auronandace has joined #haiku[22:33:57] <fhein> wouldn't that kinda of void this patent? http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6275983.html[22:34:50] <kirilla> heh[22:34:53] <leszek> LOL[22:34:59] <markos_> fhein: this patent is unenforcable and it's void, it's from 2001 and BeOS AND Haiku predate this by many years[22:35:04] <leszek> us softwarepatents are a joke[22:35:23] <oZ1> This is creating an OO wrapper around a procedural API'd OS[22:35:27] *** oZ1 has left #haiku[22:35:44] *** leszek has quit IRC[22:36:26] <kirilla> like a C++ userland API on a C kernel?[22:38:36] <mvfranz> fhein so these guys have patented any program that is written in an object oriented way?[22:39:18] <kirilla> with all those references one would think the patenting party would understand that there's prior art :P[22:39:43] <markos_> I wonder who approves these patents, what are they smoking?[22:39:57] <markos_> oh wait! I know! Money![22:41:11] <kirilla> IIRC there's a certain class of patents which are less scrutinized when registering them but which are also more difficult to uphold in court[22:41:39] <kirilla> in the US, that is[22:43:42] *** l3thal has quit IRC[22:44:59] <fhein> got it from this article: http://gizmodo.com/5483632/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-on-20-iphone-patents ..most of them sound quite ridiculous, like trivial stuff all computer users take for granted[22:45:04] <JonathanThompson> Wait, someone thinks they can patent doing something like MFC is around the Windows API?[22:46:37] *** H_MrSun has joined #haiku[22:47:41] <fhein> if apple and software patents were around since the '50s they'd probably own "using a keyboard to enter text" and "using a device capable of displaying changing images for output"[22:47:58] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[22:48:38] <DraX> http://www.fakesteve.net/2010/03/were-not-litigious-we-just-like-to-sue-people.html[22:48:51] <DraX> our patent on the “audible tone to indicate an incoming call on a telephonic communication device,” <3[22:49:05] *** H_MrSun has quit IRC[22:49:39] *** Lynton has joined #haiku[22:50:06] <Auronandace> it only takes one person to patent something that causes everyone else to do so as a "protective" measure[22:50:45] <Auronandace> the world would be better off without software patents[22:52:26] <fhein> indeed[22:53:07] <Auronandace> software patents engender mistrust, which is the opposite of what open source stands for[22:53:39] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[22:54:00] *** H_MrSun has joined #haiku[22:54:47] <fhein> and I used to think Microsoft was evil because I was forced to use their crappy OS (in school, at work, to play my games etc) but now I've finally switched to Linux, and Apple aren't crapping on their own customers but everybody using different technologies[22:55:04] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[22:55:17] <fhein> they'd probably attach Haiku with some copyright infringment claims if it got too popular :)[22:55:39] <fhein> g'nite[22:55:55] *** fhein has quit IRC[22:56:15] <Auronandace> i've always thought of microsoft as a business rather than a software company[22:56:45] <Auronandace> only interested in profit, not enhancing software or end user experiences[22:56:45] *** orbframe has quit IRC[22:58:17] <Disreali_> mmadia?[22:58:31] <mmadia> hey Disreali_[22:59:35] <Disreali_> was just skimming the trac and saw a page you editted. http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/FutureHaikuFeatures[23:00:35] <Disreali_> I don't understand thea comment toward the end about replacing the c library.[23:01:41] <mmadia> #12 in Unscheduled?[23:01:51] <Disreali_> yes[23:03:02] <Disreali_> I seem to remember there was glibc stuff in libbe or somesuch. is the what the comment about?[23:03:09] <mmadia> iirc our current c library is a frakenstein of code and we can't really improve it without breaking binary compatibilty[23:03:41] <DraX> it's also gpld[23:03:58] *** Dean_C has joined #haiku[23:04:01] <mmadia> iirc, yes. aljen also has a monster of a patch for updating it -- or maybe its in one of his branches.[23:04:10] *** H_MrSun has quit IRC[23:04:20] <Disreali_> ah... I thought someone wanted to dump glibc for the bsd one[23:04:29] <DraX> well i think that's the case[23:04:32] <DraX> thus the gpl issue[23:04:47] <Disreali_> ok, that makes sence now[23:05:04] <Disreali_> thanks DraX, mmadia[23:05:15] <kirilla> lgpl, right?[23:05:52] <Disreali_> wikpedia say yes[23:06:55] <kirilla> kind of goes without saying since "proper" gpl would make any closed source Haiku apps impossible[23:07:02] <mmadia> http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-development/PATCH-libroot-improvements[23:07:18] <kirilla> unless they refrained from linking to the Haiku libs and thus not use any of the API[23:07:36] <Disreali_> though, I can definitely understand that have less gpl or lgpl stuff in haiku would life easier[23:08:55] <mmadia> that libroot is only for gcc4, so it won't break binary compatibility.[23:08:59] *** Ingenu_ has joined #haiku[23:09:32] <Disreali_> thanks for the link mmadia[23:10:24] *** sil2100 has quit IRC[23:11:01] <Disreali_> well, i'm off to the local AOH hall for fried fish, beer and irish musc. later[23:11:05] <MrSunshine> now thats a freakin patch! :P[23:11:17] <MrSunshine> i pitty the one if they are going to read it all thorught before commiting :P[23:12:17] <mmadia> it may be in his gallium branch.[23:12:32] <mmadia> iirc, he's has support for pacman in there too.[23:12:40] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:12:41] *** Ingenu_ is now known as Ingenu[23:13:34] *** oco has joined #haiku[23:14:31] <MrSunshine> anyone heard something about gallium and hows it going for aljen ? :)[23:27:13] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[23:30:25] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[23:31:18] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[23:34:23] *** PathagenX has quit IRC[23:34:55] *** kirilla has quit IRC[23:35:15] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[23:36:17] <kirilla> anybody know if Haiku stability has improved again with the most recent revs?[23:37:17] <kirilla> now that the nightlies are back again[23:41:12] <mmadia> more than likely, there's still some stray kernel/vm instabilities.[23:41:33] <Skipp_OSX> kirilla, I've used recent builds and I've the stability to be very good[23:41:45] <mmadia> acpi may be causing some issues, as well as the recent introduction of panic'ing on bad MTRRs.[23:41:52] <Skipp_OSX> kirilla, but perhaps you have some specific issues that you are wondering about[23:43:43] <kirilla> Skipp_OSX: I'm interesting in any known instabilities on multicore[23:43:56] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[23:44:11] <kirilla> I've got a quad with my Haiku home partition[23:44:28] <kirilla> and I'd rather stay with the old rev. if the newer ones are worse[23:44:43] <mmadia> got a usb stick? :)[23:45:17] <kirilla> mmadia: better, I've got a scratch partition I build the most recent revision to continously[23:45:49] <kirilla> but while testing I usually don't stay around long enough to see if its good enough for everyday use[23:47:06] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[23:48:11] <kirilla> I get the feeling stability has improved again, even though there is probably some issue left with the vm or magazine code that got changed recently[23:49:24] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[23:51:44] <kirilla> I haven't had any issues with MTRRs or any noticable issues when enabling ACPI, on my two PCs[23:52:43] <kirilla> except the quad not shutting down as expected when having ACPI enabled[23:53:06] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[23:53:43] <kirilla> time to check the latest and greatest, bbl[23:53:48] *** kirilla has quit IRC[23:55:31] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku