November 28, 2009 
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I'm running it on a hand-me-down laptop from my dad. core duo 1.6ghz, runs OK :)[02:21:08] <helf|laptop> video card blows (GMA950)[02:26:45] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[02:33:12] <Xeon3D> not much worse than mine actually[02:33:21] <Xeon3D> since this is a business-class laptop[02:33:39] <Xeon3D> Intel 4500 GMD[02:33:42] <Xeon3D> or similar.[02:43:01] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[02:49:44] *** wildur has quit IRC[02:56:36] *** OmniMancer1 is now known as Omnimancer[02:57:00] *** Omnimancer is now known as OmniMancer[02:58:04] * JonathanThompson poits helf|laptop[03:00:44] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[03:00:56] *** DDevine has joined #haiku[03:07:24] *** xvedejas has quit IRC[03:07:46] *** HaikUbuntu has quit IRC[03:18:15] *** umccullough_aa1 has joined #haiku[03:18:31] *** eisenawesome has quit IRC[03:18:44] *** eisensleep has joined #haiku[03:18:48] *** eisensleep is now known as eisenawesome[03:24:53] *** triplez has joined #haiku[03:29:12] *** Kokito has left #haiku[03:33:12] *** 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there?[05:45:18] <DraX> someone is asleep[05:45:24] <DraX> someone is here[05:46:03] <JonathanThompson> We're all dead.[05:46:05] <helf|laptop> examine someone[05:46:13] <DraX> `someone'[05:46:21] <DraX> No apropos matches for `someone'[05:46:22] <DraX> sorry[05:46:27] <JonathanThompson> examine helf|laptop[05:46:47] <michaelvo> hahaha[05:46:48] <helf|laptop> wake up someone[05:46:57] <michaelvo> no it's not necessary[05:47:03] <michaelvo> I want a little help[05:47:13] <michaelvo> I'm scratching my head now[05:47:23] <JonathanThompson> examine helf|laptop[05:47:55] <michaelvo> in posix/sys/ipc.h I have declarations of shmctl shmget and shmctl[05:47:57] <helf|laptop> michaelvo, whats wrong?[05:48:07] * helf|laptop backs out of conversation immediately :P[05:48:36] <michaelvo> if already there means that is inside of libroot[05:48:54] <michaelvo> but why it don't links?[05:49:05] <michaelvo> I getting undefined reference to `shmctl'[05:49:10] <michaelvo> messages[05:49:17] <michaelvo> 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triplez[09:51:13] <luroh> Xeon3D: you can get firefox here http://haiku-files.org/files/optional-packages/[09:51:20] <luroh> unzip to /boot[09:52:13] <luroh> as for more complicated sets of packages for development, the recommendation is to build haiku yourself instead[09:52:27] <luroh> or use the alpha[09:59:42] <Xeon3D> I did build it myself[09:59:43] <Xeon3D> but alas I didn't include them[10:00:01] <Xeon3D> luroh, I've been at it for two days...[10:00:12] <Xeon3D> on a Celeron 1Ghz... :P[10:00:35] <luroh> hehe, nice :)[10:00:47] <Xeon3D> not really no. :)[10:00:52] *** michaelvo has quit IRC[10:00:58] <Xeon3D> had a little fight with grub2 as well[10:01:24] <luroh> ah yeah, i had that as well the other week[10:01:55] <luroh> think i got the hang of it now but it wasn't very straightforward, agree[10:01:58] <Xeon3D> luroh, you wouldn't happen to have a nice UserBuildConfig I could use :)[10:02:28] <Xeon3D> mine is preety basic, and the sample is kinda misleading at least for someone which doesn't have English as his mother language[10:02:49] <luroh> i see, hang on[10:03:26] <Xeon3D> I have HAIKU_ADD_ALL_OPTIONAL_PACKAGES = 1 ; on mine[10:03:31] <Xeon3D> but it didn't work I guess...[10:04:01] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[10:04:07] <Xeon3D> hey Nozy :)[10:04:21] <luroh> no, that one has been deprecated, it doesn't work anymore[10:04:23] <luroh> http://pastebin.ca/1690833[10:04:25] <Nozy> hi Xeon3D[10:04:44] <Xeon3D> thanks a bunch luroh[10:04:50] <luroh> np[10:05:03] <Xeon3D> lol pastebin not loading here :([10:05:11] <Xeon3D> would u mind trying .org ? :P[10:05:29] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[10:05:37] <Xeon3D> (People almost don't talk here... :/)[10:05:44] * JonathanThompson talks[10:05:47] <JonathanThompson> talk[10:05:49] <JonathanThompson> talk[10:05:50] <luroh> how about http://pastebin.com/m5874653a ?[10:05:50] <Xeon3D> heya JonathanThompson :P[10:05:55] <JonathanThompson> talk[10:06:02] <JonathanThompson> Hi Xeon3D :P[10:06:05] <Xeon3D> super, luroh ![10:06:10] <Xeon3D> how ya doing jonathan :P[10:06:21] <JonathanThompson> Insane, insane.[10:06:23] <Nozy> http://pastebin.ca/1690833 < does work for me[10:06:36] <Xeon3D> .ca isn't loading here don't know why...[10:06:48] <Xeon3D> luroh, that's preety similar to the sample.. :P[10:07:19] <luroh> Xeon3D: it's because i copied the sample and edited it[10:08:19] <luroh> once you get the hang of it, you may want to look into using build profiles[10:09:11] <luroh> it lets you adapt the build and include various stuff depending on your target[10:09:50] <Xeon3D> my target will always be the same... at least in a big time frame.[10:10:32] <Xeon3D> how does this look to install on /dev/sdb1 (I already have haiku there) : http://pastebin.com/m318b14a6 ?[10:10:47] <Xeon3D> should I comment the CLEAR IMAGE one?[10:10:57] <Xeon3D> (I'd prefer the partition to be formatted)[10:11:46] <Xeon3D> also, I should comment the DevelopmentBase since I already got Development uncommented, right?[10:11:56] <luroh> looks good to me. sure, you can do that if you want to, it will just take a little longer to build[10:12:12] <CIA-7> scottmc * r539 /haikuports/trunk/app-arch/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Initial zoo port, this one done by Alexander Deynichenko. Initial .bep and .OPD files for fastjar also by Alexander.[10:12:23] <luroh> *checking*[10:13:47] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[10:14:52] <luroh> correct[10:15:29] <Xeon3D> luroh, so should I comment the clear image?[10:15:30] <luroh> (according to OptionalPackagesDependecies)[10:16:19] <luroh> Xeon3D: i personally don't, but if you want to fill the empty space with zeros, feel free to do so[10:16:57] <luroh> oh sorry, you said "comment", not "uncomment"[10:17:38] <luroh> i'd leave it as is[10:17:53] <Nozy> what the best way to report errors ? I work on a mac with snow Lapped I think I see a doc error and a code error so is it better to use the form for this or mail list ?[10:18:17] <Nozy> forms ^^^^[10:19:12] <luroh> Nozy: bug reports should go to http://dev.haiku-os.org/[10:19:23] <Nozy> cool for both ?[10:19:37] <Nozy> just like to make 100% sure 1st[10:19:37] <luroh> yes[10:19:53] <Nozy> cool thanks luroh[10:21:52] <luroh> you can select 'Documentation' as the component property[10:23:00] <Nozy> going to try and fix it see how I go 1st[10:23:30] <luroh> cool :)[10:24:42] <Nozy> I don't think ppl are using snow lapped much[10:25:29] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[10:25:45] <luroh> i'd guess you're right, at least when it comes to haiku development[10:30:38] <CIA-7> scottmc * r540 /haikuports/trunk/dev-lang/php/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Initial .bep and .OptionalPAckageDescription files for PHP. It's not yet working, getting some configure errors, I suspect due to a missing dependency.[10:30:50] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[10:34:59] *** ukev has joined #haiku[10:36:17] *** somebody__ has joined #haiku[10:40:31] <CIA-7> scottmc * r541 /haikuports/trunk/media-libs/ (fonconfig fonconfig/fontconfig-2.8.0.bep): Initial .bep file for fontconfig, this one from Michael Oliveira[10:54:58] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[11:00:40] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[11:01:21] *** cebulon has joined #haiku[11:02:52] *** cebulon has quit IRC[11:07:49] *** cebulon has joined #haiku[11:09:39] *** binaryimpulse has quit IRC[11:10:02] *** triplez has quit IRC[11:10:23] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[11:11:11] *** joshc has joined #haiku[11:19:02] *** cebulon has quit IRC[11:25:34] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[11:27:03] *** genkie has joined #haiku[11:27:51] *** tic has quit IRC[11:41:19] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[11:41:58] *** cebulon has joined #haiku[11:44:49] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[11:57:47] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[11:57:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o aldeck[11:59:59] <CIA-7> scottmc * r542 /haikuports/trunk/media-libs/ (fontconfig/fontconfig-2.8.0.bep fonconfig fontconfig):[11:59:59] <CIA-7> Fixed wrongly named directory. Updated .bep file to use finddir to get the font[11:59:59] <CIA-7> dirs, except it doesn't seem to be picking up the --with-add-fonts=, also it's[11:59:59] <CIA-7> failing to write the cache, I suspect that it's trying to write to[11:59:59] <CIA-7> /boot/system/data/fonts which should fail as it's read-only. I set --with[12:00:02] <CIA-7> cache= but that didn't seem to help.[12:00:05] <CIA-7> TODO: fix this one so that it works correctly.[12:04:57] *** somebody__ has quit IRC[12:08:35] *** ^kenhoob-it1 has joined #haiku[12:08:56] *** ^kenhoob-it1 has joined #haiku[12:09:16] *** ^kenhoob-it1 has joined #haiku[12:16:08] <CIA-7> scottmc * r543 /haikuports/trunk/sys-devel/autoconf/autoconf-2.65.bep: Initial .bep file for autoconf-2.65.[12:17:18] *** tic has joined #haiku[12:21:20] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[12:22:53] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[12:26:14] *** davep has joined #haiku[12:28:35] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[12:28:42] *** SiCuTDeUx_ has joined #haiku[12:33:34] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[12:36:28] *** scottmc has quit IRC[12:43:34] *** Zebulon_ has quit IRC[12:44:18] *** ^kenhoob-it1 has quit IRC[12:46:45] *** korli has joined #haiku[12:46:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[12:50:59] *** korli_ has joined #haiku[12:53:19] *** genkie has quit IRC[12:56:57] *** joshc has left #haiku[12:57:35] *** J-Ho has quit IRC[12:58:07] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[12:58:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[13:03:23] *** korli has quit IRC[13:08:29] *** Animal-X has joined #haiku[13:08:45] <Xeon3D> compiling again :P[13:08:47] <Xeon3D> wish me luck[13:09:37] *** tqh has quit IRC[13:10:47] *** tqh has joined #haiku[13:16:12] *** triplez has joined #haiku[13:17:30] *** The123king1 has joined #haiku[13:18:24] *** TheNerd has joined #haiku[13:20:38] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[13:25:39] *** tqh has joined #haiku[13:29:29] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[13:29:33] *** Aaaarg has joined #haiku[13:30:03] *** The123king has quit IRC[13:30:31] *** sprma has joined #haiku[13:34:37] *** wildur has quit IRC[13:38:29] *** tqh has quit IRC[13:40:48] <Xeon3D> yay, I think it's finally compiling right... :)[13:40:49] <CIA-7> czeidler * r34326 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/ps2/ (ps2_synaptics.c ps2_synaptics.h):[13:44:40] *** crash_ has joined #haiku[13:52:47] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[13:53:45] <CIA-7> scottmc * r544 /haikuports/trunk/media-libs/fontconfig/fontconfig-2.8.0.bep: Updated .bep file for fontconfig, marked pkgconfig as a dependency and added step to insert the `AC_CONFIG_MACRO_DIR([m4])' into configure.in.[13:55:15] <Xeon3D> erm[13:55:36] <Xeon3D> I just built haiku and got a KP while opening BeZilla ... :([13:55:50] <Xeon3D> any way to report this? (since it's on kernel debugger now?)[13:57:14] <OmniMancer1> dev.haiku-os.org[13:57:22] <CIA-7> scottmc * r34327 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages: Updated autoconf to 2.65.[13:57:45] <aldeck> Xeon3D: strange maybe a network driver crashing[13:57:51] <aldeck> type bt in the kdl[13:59:12] <Xeon3D> nope it's related to a scsi something...[13:59:20] <aldeck> ah[13:59:36] <aldeck> first time you build from source?[13:59:42] <aldeck> anything particular?[13:59:52] <Xeon3D> 2nd time...[13:59:59] <Xeon3D> nope, not really.[14:00:06] <Xeon3D> compiled / installed ok[14:00:19] <Xeon3D> I've added the dev tools and some optional packages to t[14:00:20] <Xeon3D> it[14:00:35] <Xeon3D> but i'm sure I can reproduce it[14:00:46] <aldeck> ah that was the next question :)[14:00:54] <Xeon3D> also when opening tracker preferences, nothing else opens apart from terminal[14:01:15] <Xeon3D> lol[14:01:16] <aldeck> im working on that bug[14:01:20] <Xeon3D> now it opened correctly[14:01:23] <aldeck> but terminal opens?[14:01:24] <Xeon3D> :/[14:01:39] <Xeon3D> yes from the right-click - addons -> openterminal[14:01:41] <Xeon3D> it did open[14:01:50] <Xeon3D> so only a reboot fixes that?[14:01:53] <aldeck> ah ok misunderstood[14:01:54] <aldeck> :)[14:02:08] <aldeck> try killing tracker from processcontroller[14:02:16] <Xeon3D> I did, tracker and deskbar[14:02:30] <Xeon3D> from the ctrl+alt+del menu thingy[14:02:30] <Xeon3D> lol[14:02:42] <Xeon3D> (been to long without BeOS, so bare with me :P)[14:03:00] <aldeck> no problem you stumbled over a recent misterious bug[14:03:08] <aldeck> the tracker prefs one[14:03:48] <Xeon3D> anyway I can help?[14:03:51] <aldeck> for your kdl, your only hope is to type bt and create a ticket with the output[14:03:53] <Xeon3D> since I can't code....[14:04:03] <Xeon3D> bt will save the output?[14:04:08] <aldeck> thanks, but i'm on it[14:04:17] <aldeck> nope you'll have to take a picture :)[14:04:33] <aldeck> or if you have a serial cable and another computer[14:04:42] <aldeck> you can get it from there[14:05:00] <Xeon3D> guess it'll have to be a picture.[14:05:00] <aldeck> for some kdl's you can continue with 'co'[14:05:01] <Xeon3D> :D[14:05:18] <aldeck> a picture is perfectly fine :)[14:05:43] <aldeck> just don't send a 5MB one :D[14:07:16] <aldeck> kdl sessions are dumped in /var/log/syslog[14:07:29] <aldeck> so if you can access the file from another system that might work[14:07:42] <aldeck> provided the disk is synced before rebooting[14:07:53] *** cebulon has quit IRC[14:08:01] <aldeck> you can try in kdl: "on_exit sync"[14:08:03] <aldeck> then "co"[14:08:11] <aldeck> then reboot[14:10:06] <aldeck> but anyway if it's a disk issue, better try with a picture :)[14:11:53] <Xeon3D> heh[14:11:55] <Xeon3D> thanks![14:12:01] <Xeon3D> I'll make a note of it[14:16:13] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[14:31:38] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[14:35:07] *** sprma has quit IRC[14:35:22] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[14:41:01] *** 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and is there any support for any TV Card?[19:58:31] <Xeon3D> since there's a TV app..[20:00:14] <humdinger> Here are the supported nvidia cards: http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/nvidia/README.html[20:00:42] <humdinger> I had a riva128 under BeOS, so maybe getting the BeOS driver could work[20:01:17] *** xvedejas has quit IRC[20:02:55] <umccullough> I think there's support for some DVB-T card(s)[20:02:58] <Xeon3D> humdinger, so that driver that supports those cards it's already included?[20:03:10] <humdinger> Xeon3D: yes[20:03:39] <umccullough> for exact list of supported cards, it's safer to lookup the deviceid[20:03:46] <humdinger> under dvb there's just cx23882 .[20:04:08] <umccullough> nvidia deviceids are listed here: http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/nvidia/driver.c[20:04:33] <Xeon3D> so the "3D basic acceleration" is thru the Mesa Software Renderizer ? or should it display any other string on the OpenGL Preferences panel?[20:04:36] <humdinger> that's a bit longer list...[20:04:37] <umccullough> but you should *also* check here: http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_general.c[20:04:53] <umccullough> haiku's nvidia driver doesn't support 3d acceleration IIRC[20:05:19] <umccullough> there was experimental support for that previously, but only really worked on beos by replacing the gl stack with a custom one integrated with the driver[20:05:27] <humdinger> That's an insane number of GeForces.[20:05:56] <umccullough> that's why it's safer to lookup your individual deviceid ;)[20:05:58] <Xeon3D> humdinger, most of the cards are the same, only changes are speeds.[20:06:16] <humdinger> Nevertheless...[20:06:19] <umccullough> often times a missing deviceid can be hacked into an existing one[20:08:02] <Xeon3D> well my card appears in both, so I guess I'm as supported as one can be at the moment.[20:08:49] *** Kroki has joined #haiku[20:08:52] <humdinger> good for you.[20:08:56] <humdinger> :)[20:09:33] <Xeon3D> yay[20:09:39] <Xeon3D> now tv cards...[20:10:02] <Xeon3D> I find it strange that the most common ones (bt848/878) aren't being picked up[20:10:40] <umccullough> beos had a bt8x8 driver[20:10:43] <humdinger> Since there's no driver for them, it's not *that* strange[20:10:46] <umccullough> but nobody has written one for haiku yet[20:11:05] <umccullough> remember, haiku isn't linux, it doesn't come with a mountain of drivers out of the box ;)[20:11:05] <humdinger> The BeOS driver should work in theory, right?[20:11:14] *** joshc has joined #haiku[20:11:47] <umccullough> i have no clue about capture-card drivers and beos compatibility :P[20:11:57] <humdinger> Wasn't haiqu supposed to be working on TV drivers?[20:12:04] <umccullough> heh, supposedly[20:12:06] <humdinger> Haven't heard from that one for some time...[20:12:26] <umccullough> i think he took some heat from some people via personal email[20:12:37] <umccullough> he was pretty abbrasive :P[20:12:38] <humdinger> He could be a bit abrasive, but silently losing someone is always bad.[20:13:23] <umccullough> well, he happened to be a lot of talk from what I saw[20:13:50] <Xeon3D> thats unfortunate.[20:13:55] <humdinger> Fits. First the talk, then the walk...[20:14:36] <umccullough> I was secretly hoping he would start changing some of his behavior - some of his complaints were indeed valid[20:15:11] *** [r4]_ has quit IRC[20:15:44] <humdinger> Yeah. But he appeard to be pretty much set in his tracks.[20:15:49] <humdinger> Old fart. :))[20:16:29] <umccullough> yeah, i think it was his consistent: "you should all be ashamed to write this code" mentality that really set people off[20:18:26] <umccullough> anyhow, gotta head out, ttyl[20:18:34] <humdinger> cu urias![20:19:38] <Xeon3D> bye urias.[20:20:38] *** ukev has quit IRC[20:22:07] *** Aaaarg_ has joined #haiku[20:25:37] <CIA-7> oruizdorantes * r34330 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/bluetooth/BluetoothServer.cpp: Add code for simulating a SDP server present in the host[20:29:20] *** jmayfield_ has joined #haiku[20:31:34] <CIA-7> oruizdorantes * r34331 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/bluetooth/ (RemoteDevicesView.cpp RemoteDevicesView.h): Add Pair button to show the pincode screen(class testing purposes)[20:36:15] <sundaymorning> I have just installed haiku on a virtual machine. So far it seems very unix-like[20:37:17] <sundaymorning> in fact there seems to be the core of GNU utilities compiled for it[20:37:38] <sundaymorning> does it support most (or all) posix system calls?[20:37:59] <humdinger> Not all, but most.[20:38:40] <sundaymorning> I'm looking for an irc client for haiku, I haven't find anything like a ports system or something like that yet.[20:38:55] <helf|laptop> vision[20:39:05] <humdinger> posix and the bash shell are lunixish, the rest less so.[20:39:12] <humdinger> As far as I understand.[20:39:12] <helf|laptop> The Vision IRC client ships with haiku R1[20:39:14] <helf|laptop> er[20:39:15] <helf|laptop> Alpha 1[20:39:45] <humdinger> sundaymorning: What do you mean with a "ports system"?[20:39:51] *** Aaaarg has quit IRC[20:39:52] *** Aaaarg_ is now known as Aaaarg[20:39:57] <helf|laptop> package repository, i guess[20:39:58] <Xeon3D> anyone has any update on wifi support?[20:40:10] <Xeon3D> humdinger, I think he meant something like macports or fink[20:40:34] <humdinger> dunno those[20:41:30] <Xeon3D> the docs here http://dev.osdrawer.net/projects/haiku-wifi/wiki and the working system configurations do not mention intel wifi cards nor ralink ones, but they're only relative to rev 2xx while it's on 3xx now and it has some intel related files[20:41:33] <humdinger> Xeon3D: Colin recently added the FreeBSD 8 wlan stack into SVN[20:41:39] <sundaymorning> yeh, something like those[20:42:11] <humdinger> I guess, wifi will take a bit more time.[20:42:26] <humdinger> And even a bit longer for a wider range of drivers[20:42:37] *** xvedejas has joined #haiku[20:43:21] <Xeon3D> I wish I could code...[20:43:31] * helf|laptop tosses Xeon3D a C book[20:43:34] <Xeon3D> at least I could help a bit.[20:43:52] <Xeon3D> helf|laptop, you could throw me a complete library[20:44:02] <humdinger> I may be wrong though, that FreeBSD stack could bring some more: http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/34313[20:44:02] <Xeon3D> i'm *unable* to code.[20:44:15] <helf|laptop> me too :)[20:44:32] <helf|laptop> Sometimes I get the urge to learn.. but it usually dissipates quickly[20:44:35] <humdinger> "Added verbatim copies of FreeBSD 8.0.0 (r199625) drivers currently compiling flawlessly under Haiku."[20:45:01] <Xeon3D> humdinger, ye, I saw some iwn and iwi (intel) files as well here http://dev.osdrawer.net/projects/haiku-wifi/repository[20:46:47] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[20:49:46] <CIA-7> oruizdorantes * r34332 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/devices/bluetooth/bluetooth.cpp:[20:55:56] <DraX> well all the intel cards will require a firmware layer[20:56:01] <DraX> as well as just the drivers themselves[20:57:23] <humdinger> Of course, I got a PRO/Wireless 3945ABG... :)[20:57:41] <humdinger> But I can live with a tethered connection.[20:58:07] <Xeon3D> http://patrick.lafarguette.free.fr/en/beos/rt25xx/ will this work on haiku? :X[20:58:37] *** miqlas has quit IRC[20:58:43] <Xeon3D> i got that exact card ^_^[20:59:35] <humdinger> No idea. Probably not. But maybe if you send that link to colin he could tell you if that could help at all.[21:02:42] <humdinger> Gotta run...[21:02:54] <CIA-7> oruizdorantes * r34333 /haiku/trunk/ (12 files in 3 dirs):[21:03:06] *** humdinger has quit IRC[21:04:00] *** sundaymorning has quit IRC[21:04:32] *** noisetonepause has quit IRC[21:04:54] *** Aaaarg_ has joined #haiku[21:05:22] *** sundaymorning has joined #haiku[21:09:10] *** joeyadams has joined #haiku[21:10:30] <sundaymorning> hm, I need to fix my keyboard mappings now. 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The std one doesn't work anymore due to a regression...[22:44:08] <CIA-7> just remove the option and leave it fallback to cirrus for now, works but ends[22:44:09] <CIA-7> up in 16bpp by default.[22:45:35] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[22:49:50] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[22:51:04] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[22:51:55] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[22:52:04] *** manvich has quit IRC[22:52:46] *** amuck has quit IRC[22:56:21] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[22:58:46] *** congocongo has quit IRC[22:59:51] *** congocongo has joined #haiku[23:00:40] *** gtaw has joined #haiku[23:07:36] *** somebody__ has joined #haiku[23:08:05] *** somebody__ is now known as anarchos[23:09:07][23:09:09] <J-Ho> ?[23:09:40] <stpere> J-Ho: sorry?[23:10:01] <J-Ho> oh, sorry, wrong window :)[23:10:01] *** congocongo_ has quit IRC[23:11:07] *** congocongo_ has joined #haiku[23:11:28] <CIA-7> scottmc * r545 /haikuports/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Initial source files for dos2unix and unix2dos, not sure of the origin of the files, but I did list the page I got them from. 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