November 27, 2009 
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November 27, 2009 [00:00:43] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[00:00:49] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[00:03:45] *** korli_ has quit IRC[00:05:17] *** Styrbjorn has quit IRC[00:06:47] *** Styrbjorn has joined #haiku[00:07:04] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[00:12:23] *** idefix_dommel has left #haiku[00:12:23] *** alexsuraci has joined #haiku[00:14:22] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[00:15:21] *** gobgob has quit IRC[00:19:10] *** joshc_ has quit IRC[00:20:32] *** wildur_ has quit IRC[00:23:50] *** votz has joined #haiku[00:41:48] <kirilla> bbl[00:41:50] *** kirilla has quit IRC[00:44:59] *** Albert2 has quit IRC[00:53:36] <CIA-7> scottmc * r535 /haikuporter/trunk/haikuporter: Use wget to download instead, as this seems to be more reliable.[00:55:51] <CIA-7> scottmc * r536 /haikuports/trunk/media-libs/ (lcms/lcms-1.19.bep libvorbis/libvorbis-1.2.3.bep): lcms bep file from michaelvoliveira, still waiting on that .OPD file. Updated libvorbis bep file to indicate pkgconfig as a dependency.[01:09:08] *** triplez has joined #haiku[01:13:12] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:18:37] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[01:23:42] <CIA-7> scottmc * r537 /haikuporter/trunk/haikuporter: Update to haikuporter from Alexander Deynichenko.[01:24:25] *** michaelvo has joined #haiku[01:33:38] <CIA-7> kirilla * r34300 /haiku/trunk/ (6 files in 6 dirs): Translation catalogs by Johan Holmberg, somewhat edited by me. Thanks![01:33:39] *** redblue has joined #haiku[01:35:42] *** kirilla has quit IRC[01:40:17] <CIA-7> scottmc * r538 /haikuports/trunk/app-arch/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Initial arc port, this one done by Alexander Deynichenko.[01:40:50] *** xvedejas has quit IRC[01:47:22] *** crash_ is now known as crash_sleeping[01:50:40] *** noisetonepause has quit IRC[01:51:16] *** michaelvo has quit IRC[01:54:27] *** xvedejas has joined #haiku[01:56:59] <HeTo> wow, our CIA has a really small ID number[01:57:08] * HeTo eats CIA-7[01:57:15] * CIA-7 tastes crunchy[02:00:52] *** raichoo has quit IRC[02:08:46] * umccullough rubs CIA-7's tummy[02:08:47] <CIA-7> *purr*[02:19:57] *** aldeck has quit IRC[02:24:04] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[02:29:45] *** knottnhupfer has joined #haiku[02:32:02] *** cnuke_ has joined #haiku[02:32:13] *** cnuke has quit IRC[02:32:16] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[02:33:09] *** fly-away has quit IRC[02:49:23] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[02:49:33] *** Traveler25 has joined #haiku[02:51:23] *** Traveler25 is now known as gwilco[02:59:29] *** Geoz has quit IRC[03:02:18] *** saivert has quit IRC[03:03:46] *** saivert has joined #haiku[03:36:39] *** noisetonepause has joined #haiku[03:49:53] *** |Qeos| has joined #haiku[04:07:19] *** HaikUbuntu has quit IRC[04:08:11] *** noisetonepause has quit IRC[04:08:17] *** Qeos has quit IRC[04:18:37] *** Barrett has quit IRC[04:19:37] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[04:32:32] *** [1]umccullough has joined #haiku[04:36:43] *** Hertta_ has joined #Haiku[04:38:40] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[04:40:07] *** veve-mao has joined #Haiku[04:42:01] <Xeon4D> Does the haiku project need translators (as in language translators?)[04:42:12] *** Xeon4D is now known as Xeon3D[04:42:55] <Xeon3D> I've been reading the website but found no mention of this.[04:45:27] *** umccullough has quit IRC[04:45:28] *** Hertta has quit IRC[04:45:28] *** mmu_screen has quit IRC[04:45:28] *** [1]umccullough is now known as umccullough[04:45:35] *** alexsuraci has quit IRC[04:46:22] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[04:46:27] *** Hertta has joined #haiku[04:46:27] *** mmu_screen has joined #haiku[04:49:06] *** Hertta has quit IRC[05:10:55] *** phalax has joined #haiku[05:12:20] *** manvich has quit IRC[05:48:44] <eisenawesome> probably depends what language[05:49:32] <AlienSoldier> klingon and elf?[05:49:53] <eisenawesome> yeah, pretty sure we still need those[05:50:30] <Xeon3D> lol[05:50:57] <Xeon3D> so i guess thats a no[05:56:12] <Xeon3D> got another question. I can't boot from the CD since it errors out with a "cannot find boot partition" error. will I be able to boot it if I dd the raw image to a disk? (I already have some OSes there including Zeta)[05:57:07] <eisenawesome> dd it then run the makebootable tool[05:57:17] <eisenawesome> there's instructions on the website[05:57:22] <Xeon3D> i've read them[05:57:28] <Xeon3D> got the page open[05:57:38] <Xeon3D> but since it didn't even boot from the cd...[05:57:51] <Xeon3D> I was afraid that it also wouldn't boot from the HD[05:57:59] <Xeon3D> maybe a ide controller problem or similar[05:59:35] <AlienSoldier> Xeon3D was not able to boot from CD either, i only was able to get it to see the partition i copied to it. I then was able to do a make bootable on it[05:59:54] <AlienSoldier> *it to[06:02:07] <Xeon3D> right, so in DriveSetup (from Zeta) i have the disk with the device /dev/disk/scsi/0/0/0 and under it I got 4 partitions (primary ones). I want to install it to the 4th, should I use /dev/disk/scsi/0/0/0/4?[06:02:26] <Xeon3D> or /dev/disk/scsi/0/0/4?[06:04:27] <Xeon3D> a ls /dev/disk/scsi/0/0/0/ gives 0_0 0_1 0_2 0_3 raw[06:04:33] <Xeon3D> so i guess it must be 0_3[06:07:06] <AlienSoldier> yes, there shiould be a 3 as the fist is 0, but i suck at syntax[06:07:39] <AlienSoldier> *should, first :) i really suck at syntax[06:08:05] <Xeon3D> i'm already dd'ing it[06:12:28] <Xeon3D> should it take that long?[06:13:09] *** mmadia has quit IRC[06:13:41] *** mantis has joined #haiku[06:14:34] <AlienSoldier> i don't think so[06:15:15] *** veve-mao has quit IRC[06:23:03] *** xvedejas has quit IRC[06:27:57] <Xeon3D> heh[06:28:01] <Xeon3D> it crapped out[06:28:08] *** mantis_ has quit IRC[06:30:12] *** xvedejas has joined #haiku[06:40:18] *** gwilco has quit IRC[06:44:25] *** brrant has joined #haiku[06:52:05] *** brrant has quit IRC[07:00:14] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[07:04:17] *** gtaw has quit IRC[07:08:27] *** redblue has 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/haiku/trunk/src/kits/media/MediaExtractor.cpp: * Initialize your members![09:29:48] *** kitallis has quit IRC[09:32:07] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[09:33:12] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[09:43:03] *** joshc_ has joined #haiku[09:48:00] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[09:49:26] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[09:50:31] *** ^kenhoob-it1 has quit IRC[09:51:05] *** noisetonepause has joined #haiku[09:54:39] *** phalax has quit IRC[09:55:01] *** phalax has joined #haiku[10:00:16] *** ^kenhoob-it1 has joined #haiku[10:00:48] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[10:01:43] *** joeyadams has quit IRC[10:05:40] *** Xeon3D has quit IRC[10:09:54] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[10:12:11] *** kitallis_ has joined #haiku[10:12:31] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[10:12:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[10:14:45] *** slaine_ has joined #haiku[10:15:29] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[10:19:10] *** HaikUbuntu has quit IRC[10:19:30] *** HaikUbuntu has joined #haiku[10:21:47] *** kitallis1 has joined #haiku[10:22:35] *** mmu_man 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slaine_ has joined #haiku[12:09:50] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[12:11:18] <CIA-7> axeld * r34303 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/app/RosterPrivate.cpp: * Minor cleanup, no functional change.[12:17:13] *** fly-away has joined #haiku[12:23:39] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[12:41:58] *** HaikuBot has joined #haiku[12:48:13] <CIA-7> axeld * r34304 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/app/Roster.cpp:[12:48:15] <CIA-7> * Increased reply timeout considerably: with the amount of debug output the[12:48:20] <CIA-7> registrar currently spits out, the net_server, and the debug_server sometimes[12:48:21] <CIA-7> didn't receive a reply in time, causing them not to start.[12:49:49] *** ari2-free has joined #haiku[12:51:59] <CIA-7> axeld * r34305 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/registrar/ (4 files):[12:51:59] <CIA-7> * Turned off unconditional debug output in the RosterSettingsCharStream class.[12:51:59] <CIA-7> * Replaced some DBG(OUT) debug output with the registrar's global one.[12:51:59] <CIA-7> * Cleanup, mostly whitespace.[12:52:28] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[12:54:54] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[13:12:50] <CIA-7> colin * r34306 /haiku/trunk/src/libs/compat/freebsd_network/ (compat/net80211/ compat/sys/haiku-module.h if.c):[13:12:50] <CIA-7> Remove the wlan specific headers to allow a clearer distinction between[13:12:50] <CIA-7> ethernet and wlan drivers when compiling them. Also this removes the burden to[13:12:50] <CIA-7> recompile every ethernet driver just because of changes in the wlan part.[13:14:09] *** mantis has quit IRC[13:14:34] *** mantis_ has joined #haiku[13:21:35] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[13:24:25] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[13:24:54] *** ^kenhoob-it1 has quit IRC[13:26:16] <CIA-7> axeld * r34307 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/vm/vm.cpp: * Minor clarification.[13:33:56] <CIA-7> colin * r34308 /haiku/vendor/freebsd/RELEASE_8_0_0/:[13:33:56] <CIA-7> Creating vendor subdirectory in preparation of bringing in wlan specific[13:33:56] <CIA-7> sources from the FreeBSD 8.0.0 release.[13:35:42] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[13:35:47] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[13:40:03] *** redblue has quit IRC[13:47:17] *** aldeck has quit IRC[13:48:21] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[13:48:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o aldeck[13:55:22] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[13:57:15] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[14:01:52] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[14:02:02] *** VinDuv has left #haiku[14:02:58] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[14:03:09] <CIA-7> axeld * r34309 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs):[14:03:09] <CIA-7> * The kernel's address space is now also a resource that is known to the low[14:03:09] <CIA-7> resource manager.[14:03:09] <CIA-7> * Could be drastically improved, though, by taking the fragmentation into[14:03:12] <CIA-7> account.[14:04:10] <CIA-7> axeld * r34310 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/ (cache/block_cache.cpp slab/Slab.cpp): * The slab and the block cache now both also react on address space shortages.[14:07:32] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[14:07:42] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[14:10:59] *** phalax has quit IRC[14:12:05] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[14:13:27] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[14:15:03] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[14:15:13] *** phalax has joined #haiku[14:23:47] *** Xeon3D has quit IRC[14:28:33] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[14:29:52] *** aldeck has quit IRC[14:30:07] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[14:30:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o aldeck[14:53:26] *** manvich has joined #haiku[14:55:27] *** surround1r has joined #haiku[14:57:04] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[14:57:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[15:03:12] *** surrounder has quit IRC[15:03:31] *** aldeck has quit IRC[15:06:45] <CIA-7> bonefish * r34311 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs):[15:06:45] <CIA-7> Created new private system header computed_asm_macros.h defining the macro we[15:06:45] <CIA-7> use for the asm_offsets.cpp file, so it can be reused elsewhere.[15:09:44] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[15:10:13] <Nozy> hi all[15:10:32] <manvich> Bye nobody[15:10:39] <Nozy> cya manvich[15:10:48] *** manvich has left #haiku[15:11:54] <Nozy> hey all what the best way to have some doc on line updated ?[15:12:13] <CIA-7> bonefish * r34312 /haiku/trunk/src/libs/mesa/mesa/ (Jamfile x86/gen_matypes.c):[15:12:13] <CIA-7> Hacked up mesa/x86/gen_matypes.c so it no longer generates a header file, but[15:12:13] <CIA-7> a file suitable for the CreateAsmStructOffsetsHeader rule. The file is then[15:12:13] <CIA-7> used to generate the actual matypes.h header. 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I only got 70MB actually[16:41:06] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[16:42:01] *** lstarnes has joined #haiku[16:43:40] <MrSunshine> smooBed, download a clearvmware image. . there are 2gb images that is initialized with befs arleady somewhere[16:43:40] <MrSunshine> smooBed, its ment for demo purpose the images[16:43:40] <MrSunshine> not supposed to be huge :P[16:43:42] <MrSunshine> just to fit the stuff in them[16:48:12] *** jo_ has joined #haiku[16:48:23] *** jo_ has quit IRC[16:50:35] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[16:51:28] *** DDevine has quit IRC[16:55:29] <smooBed> BeIDE works on Haiku ?[16:55:43] <smooBed> or tell me please an editor I could use for gcc[16:55:56] *** smooBed is now known as smooBe[16:55:57] <OmniMancer> there is paladin which is aparently similar[16:56:06] <smooBe> thanks[16:56:12] <OmniMancer> haiku comes with Pe though I think[16:56:46] <smooBe> Pe oh yeah I got it[16:56:48] <smooBe> :)[16:56:53] <smooBe> let's Pe[16:57:52] <OmniMancer> but it won't do projects and compiling for you I believe[16:58:14] <OmniMancer> its just an editor with highlighting and other stuff I think[16:58:48] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[16:59:03] <smooBe> ok[16:59:33] <CIA-7> colin * r34314 /haiku/vendor/freebsd/RELEASE_8_0_0/dev/ (12 files in 10 dirs): Tagging sources.[17:02:33] <CIA-7> colin * r34315 /haiku/vendor/freebsd/current/net80211/ (65 files): Added verbatim copy of the FreeBSD 8.0.0 (r199625) wlan stack sources.[17:03:32] <umccullough> $149 netbook[17:03:57] <umccullough> (after rebate, no HD, memory, or OS) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856500002[17:04:27] *** smooBe has quit IRC[17:04:31] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[17:04:58] *** smooBe has joined #haiku[17:05:37] *** The123king has joined #haiku[17:05:40] <CIA-7> colin * r34316 /haiku/vendor/freebsd/RELEASE_8_0_0/net80211/: Tagging sources.[17:07:03] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[17:11:30] *** smooBe has quit IRC[17:13:54] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[17:16:17] *** GeneralMaximus has joined #haiku[17:16:22] <GeneralMaximus> hi :)[17:17:37] *** alexsuraci has joined #haiku[17:23:35] *** xvedejas has joined #haiku[17:24:41] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[17:26:34] *** manvich has joined #haiku[17:27:04] *** fcr has joined #haiku[17:28:47] *** fhein has joined #haiku[17:29:49] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[17:33:40] *** Andrius has quit IRC[17:36:32] *** xvedejas has quit IRC[17:36:34] <CIA-7> axeld * r34317 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/bfs/ (Query.cpp Query.h Volume.cpp Volume.h kernel_interface.cpp):[17:36:34] <CIA-7> * Changed the query code again to send B_ENTRY_REMOVED/B_ENTRY_CREATED[17:36:34] <CIA-7> notifications if an inode in a query result was moved/renamed - this time all[17:36:34] <CIA-7> the information is correct, though.[17:36:35] <CIA-7> * While I did not introduce B_ENTRY_MOVED for queries yet, this should make[17:36:37] <CIA-7> adding it very simple (left as an excercise for the reader ;-))[17:38:13] *** fly-away has quit IRC[17:47:02] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[17:47:38] *** gtaw has joined #haiku[17:47:57] *** luroh has joined #haiku[17:49:27] <CIA-7> jackburton * r34318 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/terminal/ (TermApp.cpp TermView.cpp TermView.h TermWindow.cpp):[17:49:27] <CIA-7> Reverted the preference saving part of r34165 (at least for now).[17:49:27] <CIA-7> Moved the AboutRequested code to a static TermView method, called from[17:49:27] <CIA-7> everywhere (now TermApp knows about TermView, but no one is perfect).[17:49:27] <CIA-7> Reordered and removed includes.[17:54:49] <CIA-7> bonefish * r34319 /haiku/trunk/src/tools/gensyscalls/gensyscallinfos.cpp: Style cleanup.[17:56:22] *** joeyadams has joined #haiku[18:00:57] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:01:59] *** adamk has joined #haiku[18:06:23] *** ^kenhoob-it1 has quit IRC[18:13:10] <CIA-7> bonefish * r34320 /haiku/trunk/src/tools/gensyscalls/arch/ (7 files in 6 dirs):[18:13:10] <CIA-7> Since we had completely identical arch_gensyscalls.h files for all[18:13:10] <CIA-7> architectures, there's now a arch/generic/generic_gensyscalls.h which is[18:13:10] <CIA-7> included by the otherwise empty arch_gensyscalls.h files.[18:18:19] *** leszek has joined #haiku[18:18:34] <leszek> hi[18:18:53] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[18:19:20] <StreaK|ON> hi Leszek[18:19:48] *** zevs_work has joined #haiku[18:20:42] <zevs_work> is the alpha 1 still the latest release?[18:22:42] <manvich> yes[18:26:33] *** binaryimpulse has joined #haiku[18:27:24] *** JonathanThompson has joined #Haiku[18:29:52] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[18:33:08] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[18:35:01] *** HaikUbuntu has joined #haiku[18:35:47] *** zevs_work has left #haiku[18:37:35] <The123king> how likely is it that recent trunk builds will eat my data? I'm not too fussed about th4e BFS partition, more of my NTFS one. Also, has hthe NTFS mounting regression i saw in a recent bug report been fixed?[18:40:06] <The123king> also, earlier the site was dead. I see it's been fixed now so i'm guessing that was intentional....[18:40:17] <umccullough> we moved it to a new server[18:40:28] <The123king> ahhhhh....[18:40:42] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[18:40:56] <The123king> anf nvm about the NTFS bug, seems more of an unintentional side-effect of a bugfix probably[18:41:34] <The123king> I'll have a look myself....[18:43:02] * The123king wipes his Haiku R1-A1 CD RW seeing as he has the official printed Cafe-press one now[18:43:04] <JonathanThompson> Well, I'm thinking there's zero chance that all filesystem things are fixed at this point, so do with that information what you will.[18:43:35] <umccullough> haiku's BFS seems to be pretty damn stable these days[18:43:41] <The123king> Has there been any regressins in filesystem stability since Alpha?[18:43:43] <umccullough> but i wouldn't trust write support on anything else ;)[18:44:04] <The123king> nah, i do read-write only on FAT USB drives[18:44:09] <umccullough> The123king, none that haven't also been fixed I don't think[18:44:56] <umccullough> many of the known-BFS issues are actually on-disk format limitations[18:45:06] <umccullough> which beos suffered from as well[18:45:11] <JonathanThompson> Even if the FS code is dead-on now for BFS and the VFS, there's nothing to guarantee that some other code in the kernel isn't writing in places it shouldn't.[18:45:46] <umccullough> yeah, the filesystem cache may not be the most stable[18:45:58] <The123king> How likely is it that it would write to places it shouldn't?[18:46:28] <umccullough> i suspect most of the baddies are caught by panic[18:46:56] <umccullough> really, i've used haiku pretty regularly for a while now - doing everything you'd expect, and I have not suffered a BFS corruption (that I know of) in over a year[18:47:06] *** genkie has joined #haiku[18:47:18] <umccullough> by regularly, i mean several times a week for > 1 hour at a time[18:47:29] <tqh> so how many have you suffered from you don't know about?[18:47:29] <umccullough> sometimes for sessions lasting 4-6 hours[18:47:49] <umccullough> tqh, that's obviously a good question - but none of them were severe enough to affect me :)[18:48:02] <umccullough> as in, i didn't have to wipe/reinstall or anything stupid like that[18:48:29] <tqh> I havn't really started using Haiku as a work OS yet.[18:48:31] <The123king> well i've used Alpha quite extensively, and probably use it 30%-70% on my EeePC with XP (although Haiku and XP are on two separate drives)[18:48:48] <umccullough> The123king, yeah, on my netbook is where i primarily use haiku[18:49:00] <umccullough> i was even using the wifi for a week before i decided to secure my router again :P[18:49:05] <The123king> and i do dual-boot Haiku and XP on my desktop and havn't suffered any negatives with XP on there[18:49:23] <The123king> My EeePC is Ralink based :([18:49:44] <umccullough> i haven't heard anyone claim yet that Haiku has affected any unmounted partition other than the one it's running from[18:49:58] <StreaK|ON> I have dualboot XP/haiku right now [ since sept ] and using my haiku as primary OS right now..[18:50:24] <The123king> and how likely is it to mess up a mounted partition in read-only?[18:50:46] *** The123king has left #haiku[18:50:48] <umccullough> i haven't heard anyone claim that has happened either, but i suppose it's slightly more likely ;)[18:50:54] *** The123king has joined #haiku[18:50:56] *** smooBe has joined #haiku[18:50:57] <smooBe> hi[18:51:12] <The123king> wrong button >_>[18:51:14] <umccullough> The123king, let me repeat it:P[18:51:16] <umccullough> i haven't heard anyone claim that has happened either, but i suppose it's slightly more likely ;)[18:51:16] <smooBe> I try to compile using std::cout << ""; it doesn't work ?![18:51:29] <umccullough> smooBe, what's the error[18:51:39] <StreaK|ON> The123king , check this -> http://www.haikuware.com/blog/445-2009-11-08-wifi-configuration-tool#comment-4396[18:51:50] <smooBe> helloworld.cpp:(.text+0x18): undefined reference to `endl(ostream &)'[18:52:03] <The123king> riiight, OK, i feel.... slightly more confident...[18:52:06] <umccullough> bad linking?[18:52:24] <StreaK|ON> if somebody compile it , i could check it on my msi wind[18:52:25] <smooBe> well I new to gcc, I just use gcc -i Helloworld.cpp -lbe[18:52:29] <StreaK|ON> if it works[18:52:36] <The123king> ooooh, nice[18:52:52] <The123king> sadly i don't have any unsecured wifi signals around :P[18:53:14] <umccullough> smooBe, gcc4 or gcc2?[18:53:17] *** gtaw has quit IRC[18:53:21] <smooBe> gcc2.9[18:53:35] <umccullough> i guess try adding -lstdc++.r4[18:53:50] <smooBe> ok[18:54:05] <The123king> GCC2 hybrid or GCC4 hybrid?[18:54:20] <umccullough> shouldn't matter since he's just compiling[18:54:22] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[18:54:23] <smooBe> works ![18:54:35] <smooBe> thanks a lot[18:54:38] <umccullough> i guess gcc doesn't add the libstdc++ automatically[18:54:46] <umccullough> on gcc4 btw there's no .r4 on it[18:54:46] <The123king> ehhh....[18:55:28] <smooBe> what is libstdc++ ? standart lib ? I used #include <iostream> so I should have worked no ?[18:55:44] <umccullough> smooBe, it's what you need for the c++ support[18:55:53] <umccullough> btw, if you use g++ instead of gcc, it probably will automatically add it[18:56:02] <smooBe> ohhh I see ^^ !!![18:56:21] <smooBe> I will use g++ as I do c++ :P[18:56:29] <umccullough> heh, i think you're supposed to ;)[18:56:33] <smooBe> thank you umccullough[18:57:35] <smooBe> I'm learning c++ again because I want to be able to code something for Haiku one day :) I'm not familiar with gnu tools[18:58:03] <umccullough> there are some IDEs you could play with if you want to avoid some of that ;)[18:58:07] <umccullough> Paladin for example[18:58:08] *** MadEchidna has quit IRC[18:58:25] <smooBe> yeah, I started paladin but when I press execute I got shell error[18:58:41] <smooBe> seems good btw[18:58:53] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[18:59:29] <smooBe> paladin do not indicate the line of the error ?[19:01:15] <The123king> If i was to say, upgrade from alpha to a trunk, would the whole Haiku partition get wiped clean or would i still have all my alpha apps?[19:01:35] *** genkie has quit IRC[19:02:21] * The123king is that really irritating regular chatroom lurker who asks irritating questions all the time[19:02:34] <The123king> irritatingly[19:03:11] <kitallis> Yeah, I do that too. Anonymously.[19:03:57] <smooBe> umccullough does paladin run well for you ? I click run or build, it stays to "examinating files" and nothing happen[19:04:00] <umccullough> The123king, you'll want to replace everything in /boot/system and /boot/common I think[19:04:15] <umccullough> smooBe, actually, i couldn't get it working right either :P[19:04:22] <smooBe> hooooo[19:04:24] <smooBe> ^^[19:05:10] <umccullough> The123king, probably best to start fresh - i usually keep multiple BFS partitions so i can back stuff up between reinstalls[19:05:46] <umccullough> smooBe, you could try daiku maybe[19:05:59] <umccullough> http://bebits.com/app/4616[19:06:11] <smooBe> let see that[19:06:33] <umccullough> it's work-in-progress apparently[19:06:37] <umccullough> and closed-source :([19:06:44] <The123king> meh, i'm not gonna lose a lot :P I was more interested on just keeping the apps the alpha came with. I'll just copy them off my conveniently placed bootable Alpha USB[19:06:45] *** {V} has quit IRC[19:07:05] <umccullough> The123king, most of those you can just grab newer versions of anyway[19:07:14] <smooBe> umccullough well I'm goind to use Pe as an editor and learn more about Gnu tools[19:07:22] <umccullough> smooBe, that's what i do ;)[19:07:29] <The123king> haha ok :)[19:07:34] <smooBe> :D[19:07:41] <umccullough> smooBe, but mostly i just port stuff that has makefiles already anyway[19:07:42] <smooBe> you're testing me ? :D[19:08:04] <smooBe> umccullough yeah, makefiles seems to be horrible things[19:08:05] <umccullough> nah, i don't do any of my own development...so i don't really need more than an editor and CLI ;)[19:08:07] <StreaK|ON> smooBe give a try and use Sisong.. its very nice programmer editor[19:08:20] <umccullough> oh yeah, i forgot about that one[19:08:39] <smooBe> thanks StreaK|ON[19:08:50] <smooBe> well I used Vi to code my helloworld :D[19:09:02] * smooBe 's proud[19:09:32] <umccullough> i can do the basics in vi, but i really don't know how to use it fully[19:09:37] <umccullough> i should learn it someday :P[19:09:43] <CIA-7> axeld * r34321 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/team.cpp: * Cleanup, no functional change.[19:09:47] <smooBe> 4x removes 4letters :D[19:10:01] <smooBe> p to cut P to paste :P[19:10:23] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[19:10:46] <umccullough> i thought p was paste/put[19:10:51] <umccullough> i always use y/p[19:10:54] <The123king> I use Notepad, Notepad++ and PE[19:11:09] <umccullough> i used notepad++ for a while, but i ended up switching to Notepad2[19:11:23] <smooBe> well I use Visual studio a lot :![19:11:31] <umccullough> visual studio is too damn slow for me[19:11:39] <umccullough> takes forever to start up[19:11:43] <smooBe> not here[19:11:51] <smooBe> it's a good product[19:12:00] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[19:12:05] <smooBe> what about eclipse or netbean then ? ^^[19:12:08] <umccullough> 2003 wasn't bad, but 2005 and 2008 are dog slow[19:12:21] <umccullough> we write .net software at work[19:12:26] <smooBe> ok[19:12:35] <umccullough> my coworkers always clown me because i use notepad2 for a lot of stuff ;)[19:12:43] <smooBe> hehehe[19:12:44] <umccullough> instead of vstudio[19:13:06] <smooBe> I remember a guys only using emacs[19:13:16] <umccullough> we had a guy who used only gvim :P[19:13:20] <smooBe> :)[19:13:21] *** The123king has left #haiku[19:13:40] <umccullough> i could never figure out how to use a mouse with it[19:13:50] <umccullough> so, he stopped letting me touch his machine for anything[19:14:35] <smooBe> I can't find Sisong[19:14:59] <umccullough> hang on[19:15:03] <smooBe> hehe[19:15:08] <umccullough> http://sourceforge.net/projects/five75/[19:15:23] <smooBe> I still own the BeOs CD, can't I use the BeIDE included ?[19:15:28] <smooBe> oh thanks again[19:16:10] <umccullough> i guess this is the official page: http://five75.sourceforge.net/[19:16:31] <smooBe> wow 275KB zipped[19:16:34] <smooBe> *_*[19:16:41] <umccullough> yeah, it's kinda big ;)[19:18:01] <umccullough> Pe is actually pretty large, it has a whole bunch of funky addons and stuff[19:24:51] *** smooBe has quit IRC[19:25:40] *** smooBe has joined #haiku[19:28:58] <smooBe> so umccullough, you use Pe just as editor ? when I press execute, it says blabla with utf8[19:29:13] <umccullough> yeah, just for editing[19:31:14] <CIA-7> axeld * r34322 /haiku/trunk/headers/legacy/: * Removed useless legacy header.[19:32:32] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[19:33:22] *** The123king has joined #haiku[19:34:32] *** E-WolfShade has joined #haiku[19:35:50] *** The123king has quit IRC[19:36:21] *** Colin_Finck is now known as Colin_Finck|afk[19:40:14] <smooBe> Pe is really nice program...[19:45:07] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[19:47:48] *** The123king has joined #haiku[19:48:22] <E-WolfShade> ##windows is ridiculous lol...[19:49:20] <umccullough> i bet[19:49:50] <The123king> I think i'll stick to alpha :|[19:49:59] <E-WolfShade> People trying to give complex advice to newbs, tons and tons of spam, etc[19:50:02] *** eisensleep has quit IRC[19:50:13] *** eisensleep has joined #haiku[19:50:14] * E-WolfShade looks at The123king's vhost...[19:50:53] <The123king> vhost...?[19:50:57] <E-WolfShade> The123king: Any chance you know why 1.0 stable was going to be released this January, then 0.4 got moved back to that date and 0.5 is supposed to be in June?[19:51:15] <E-WolfShade> * The123king (n=Owner@reactos/tester/The123king)[19:51:19] <The123king> oic[19:51:37] <The123king> E-WolfShade: the roadmap is a proverbial mess[19:51:41] <E-WolfShade> Yup[19:52:08] <The123king> 0.3.11 is being blocked by a few bugs and a lot of regressions[19:52:18] <E-WolfShade> I see[19:52:19] <umccullough> organization is something FOSS often seems to fail at ;)[19:52:24] <E-WolfShade> lol[19:52:40] <umccullough> "herding cats" comes to mind[19:52:47] * umccullough herds JonathanThompson[19:52:52] * E-WolfShade dreams of an OS that's fully compatible with Windows, except is more secure and can be installed on ext*[19:52:54] <E-WolfShade> lol[19:52:57] <The123king> 0.4 was slated for christmas/new year, but seems to have been rather ambitious[19:53:16] <The123king> 1.0 isn't gonna happen any time soon[19:53:19] * JonathanThompson herds umccullough with a stretched-cat pole[19:53:22] <umccullough> arty told me the other day that ros runs from ext now[19:53:26] <E-WolfShade> Then again, I don't want a Windows OS at all[19:53:27] *** eisensleep has quit IRC[19:53:41] <E-WolfShade> umccullough: ext2 installation support is supposedly part of 0.4[19:53:48] <umccullough> ah[19:54:11] * umccullough tries to type while a spider runs across his keyboard[19:54:14] <The123king> umccullough: i'll have to research that....[19:54:43] <umccullough> The123king, i guess he finally finished some cache thing that allowed it to happen or some such[19:54:47] <The123king> i do know that his new branch fixes a few things and is meant to possibly allow use of the MS NTFS driver eventually[19:55:12] <The123king> or at least, add a bit more flexinbility in FS drivers[19:55:22] <umccullough> i guess he was so happy, he even msgd me and i wasn't in the channel :D[19:55:45] <umccullough> this spider is annoying[19:55:54] <umccullough> he's hiding under my trackball now[19:56:00] <E-WolfShade> ...[19:56:06] <E-WolfShade> trackball?[19:56:07] <GeneralMaximus> destroy![19:56:11] <The123king> it's a bug, squish it, like you do in Haiku :P[19:56:11] <GeneralMaximus> eat![19:56:14] <E-WolfShade> What computer you got umccullough?[19:56:20] <umccullough> bugs have rights too![19:56:21] <E-WolfShade> lol @ The123king[19:56:36] <smooBe> please can someong just give me synthax to compile when using some includes (Application.h, Button.h and STLs) or ddc me a "generalistic"/exemple of a makefile ?[19:56:37] <umccullough> he disappeared back into the pile of stuff on my desk[19:56:51] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[19:56:57] <umccullough> E-WolfShade, which one?[19:57:05] <umccullough> this machine is an AMD X2 5600+[19:57:11] <E-WolfShade> umccullough: The one where you have a trackball...[19:57:20] <E-WolfShade> No, I mean the model of the computer XD[19:57:23] <umccullough> well, the trackball happens to be attached to my KVM switch ;)[19:57:36] <umccullough> all my machines are home-built[19:57:40] <umccullough> this one has a gigabyte board[19:57:40] <E-WolfShade> Ah[19:57:52] <umccullough> well, all my desktop machines that i use anyway[19:57:56] <E-WolfShade> I'd like to build my own some day[19:58:06] <E-WolfShade> Can barely afford any parts at all atm...[19:58:12] <umccullough> eh, it's a cheap way to throw free shit together into a machine ;)[19:58:28] <umccullough> or nearly-free[19:58:44] <umccullough> i rarely spend more than $300-400 on a machine these days[19:59:11] *** eisensleep has joined #haiku[19:59:14] <E-WolfShade> My computers: Desktops: old Sony Vaio from 2001, new Dell from with year w/ a Pentium Dual-Core; Notebooks: IBM Thinkpad 600E, Gateway LT2005u (netbook)[19:59:36] <umccullough> doesn't sound too bad[19:59:41] <E-WolfShade> On old Sony atm[19:59:45] <E-WolfShade> CPU[-Single core Intel Pentium 4 (UP) clocked at 1614.407 Mhz-] Kernel[-2.6.31-14-generic i686-] Up[-2:00-] Mem[-230.4/497.5MB-] HDD[-80.0GB(2.9% used)-] Procs[-122-] Client[-X-Chat 2.8.6-] inxi[-1.2.6-][19:59:52] <umccullough> P4s are shitty though[20:00:01] <umccullough> my wife's machine has a p4 3.0ghz prescott[20:00:05] <E-WolfShade> lol[20:00:06] <umccullough> runs hot and sucks power[20:00:12] <E-WolfShade> Yeah[20:00:24] * E-WolfShade wants a computer with a VIA microprocessor[20:00:28] <umccullough> eh[20:00:39] <E-WolfShade> lol?[20:00:57] <umccullough> i tend to look for power/price - although i can't run much of anything these days due to power bills :([20:01:18] <umccullough> my monthly power bill sometimes eclipses the cost of a computer[20:01:23] <E-WolfShade> umccullough: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIA_Technologies#Products[20:01:36] <umccullough> yeah, i know what they are[20:01:37] <E-WolfShade> They make mobos, and they're famous for good x86 microprocessors[20:01:39] <E-WolfShade> k[20:01:46] <umccullough> i run a lot of distributed computing apps[20:01:47] <The123king> i have: dual core e8400 (3.0ghz), some crappy asrock board, 2gb RAM, 750gb WD Black, Nvidia 9600 1024mb[20:01:56] <The123king> 'tis naice[20:02:20] <E-WolfShade> Dell desktop: Pentium Dual-Core 2.5GHz, 4GB RAM, 640GB HDD, Intel gfx[20:02:21] <umccullough> thsi machine is currently using a single 750gb disk too[20:02:29] <smooBe> ld is the linker program ?[20:02:34] <umccullough> smooBe, yeah[20:02:40] <smooBe> ok[20:02:48] <umccullough> gcc will call it automatically[20:02:53] <smooBe> ya but[20:03:10] <umccullough> you can pass extra parameters to gcc to give to ld[20:03:11] <The123king> my PC was built at a shop, but it had a crappy 2.4ghz dual core pentium and only a 320gb HDD[20:03:13] <smooBe> it needs a makefile on the same dir ?[20:03:14] <umccullough> with -X iirc[20:03:16] <E-WolfShade> umccullough: LMAO @ "VIA processors of at least 800MHz are recognized by Microsoft as a processor option in a Windows Vista Capable PC."[20:03:16] <smooBe> ok[20:03:34] <umccullough> i don't run vista :P[20:03:36] <umccullough> i know better[20:03:50] <The123king> same[20:03:54] <E-WolfShade> That Dell runs Vista lol...[20:04:04] <smooBe> let's use -lbe :D[20:04:07] <E-WolfShade> Ran fast at first, now it sucks[20:04:08] <The123king> slowly i bet :P[20:04:20] <The123king> ohcrap, i was actually joking :([20:04:39] <E-WolfShade> xD[20:05:04] <The123king> i run XP, and probably will until something better comes along[20:05:15] <smooBe> The123king like ? :D[20:05:26] <The123king> *cough* Haiku *cough*[20:05:33] <smooBe> :D[20:05:35] <E-WolfShade> Win7 is quite good[20:05:39] <E-WolfShade> afaik...[20:05:59] <smooBe> yep, compared to other win[20:05:59] <The123king> E-WolfShade: i'd still use XP[20:06:12] <smooBe> my win7 runs fine[20:06:15] * E-WolfShade hates pretty much all Windows[20:06:30] <smooBe> well[20:06:31] <E-WolfShade> Some ugly but fast, some are pretty but slow, etc...[20:06:35] <E-WolfShade> are*[20:07:00] <smooBe> let's hope many people will join the Haiku community (even commercial apps) when Haiku Stable is released[20:07:28] <E-WolfShade> smooBe: And when will that be[20:07:30] <E-WolfShade> ?[20:07:31] <E-WolfShade> ^^[20:07:40] <smooBe> 2012 ?[20:07:40] <smooBe> :)[20:08:00] <AlienSoldier> Grand Turismo 5 on haiku FTW![20:08:20] <E-WolfShade> lolwut[20:08:28] *** PacoLinux has quit IRC[20:08:34] <smooBe> AlienSoldier I would prefer something like Live for speed or Grand Prix Legend / IRacing[20:08:48] <smooBe> a real simulator :P[20:08:51] *** PacoLinux has joined #haiku[20:08:52] <GeneralMaximus> i believe commercial apps will do well on Haiku :)[20:09:05] * GeneralMaximus waits for a TextMate-killer[20:09:18] <smooBe> well, I'm afraid that will the weak part of haiku, look at linux...[20:09:25] <smooBe> softimage for Haiku please ![20:09:31] <umccullough> linux turns away commercial software[20:09:37] *** Colin_Finck|afk is now known as Colin_Finck[20:09:39] <GeneralMaximus> there's a distribution problem with Linux, too[20:09:49] <smooBe> GPL you mean ?[20:09:56] <umccullough> yes, software must be repackaged for each different distro :P[20:09:59] <GeneralMaximus> how do you distribute your app? is there a single binary you can just give to people?[20:10:02] <smooBe> well MIT license seems better for that point[20:10:20] <smooBe> afaik[20:10:37] <GeneralMaximus> WonderBrush is commercial, isn't it?[20:10:43] <AlienSoldier> yes[20:10:49] <umccullough> basically :)[20:10:54] <umccullough> it's not open source[20:10:55] <GeneralMaximus> heh[20:10:59] <smooBe> ya but not se famous ^^[20:11:02] <umccullough> for haiku, it's free-as-in-beer currently[20:11:37] <AlienSoldier> the secret foe haiku commercial app would be a 1$ model[20:11:41] <AlienSoldier> *for[20:11:42] <smooBe> is webkit coming ?[20:11:59] <GeneralMaximus> well, WonderBrush sends a message, doesn't it? commercial apps are welcome here :)[20:12:01] <GeneralMaximus> (sorta)[20:13:19] <smooBe> that's true :)[20:13:29] *** wildur has quit IRC[20:15:32] <GeneralMaximus> any info about that packageFS thing that's been showing up in the commits? how is it going to work?[20:16:38] <smooBe> Button, Window etc (using new) must be deleted in destructor no ?[20:20:18] *** oco has joined #haiku[20:22:40] <mmadia> GeneralMaximus : on Trac's front page, there's a link for PackageManager idea, which has another link for the package fs format[20:23:10] <GeneralMaximus> mmadia: i did check out that page, but it doesn't really mention how it's going to work in practice[20:23:18] *** eisensleep is now known as eisenawesome[20:23:24] <GeneralMaximus> mmadia: just has the details about the format[20:24:19] <mmadia> can't help ya there[20:24:45] <smooBe> if some people pratices c++ here, please tell me if that code doesn't miss delete intructions ... http://hoelzro.net/blog/?p=26[20:25:11] <GeneralMaximus> mmadia: who's working on it atm?[20:25:25] <mmadia> ingo is.[20:25:39] * GeneralMaximus doesn't know ingo's IRC nick[20:26:06] <mmadia> with as often as he signs on, it might as well be NULL ; :P[20:26:23] <GeneralMaximus> heh[20:26:57] <GeneralMaximus> smooBe: i don't think you need to free your memory if you have only one window throughout the lifecycle of your app[20:27:37] <GeneralMaximus> i see what you mean :p[20:27:40] <smooBe> GeneralMaximus but c++ says that every new must correspond a delete no ?[20:28:27] <GeneralMaximus> smooBe: yes, but since your app just exits once you close your only window, the OS will automatically free that memory for you.[20:28:47] <smooBe> ok but that's not really clean code[20:29:17] <smooBe> I tried to add deconstructor, but seems my c++ knowledge isn't enough[20:29:42] <smooBe> I hope to find more code examples[20:30:34] <GeneralMaximus> i don't know how the InterfaceKit manages widgets. if deleting a parent view frees all the children, you can just delete the main window and it will automatically free the buttons. Qt, for example, does things this way.[20:30:51] <GeneralMaximus> otherwise, you'll have to manually go about deleting everything.[20:31:02] * GeneralMaximus hasn't played with the InterfaceKit[20:31:12] <smooBe> ok[20:31:33] <GeneralMaximus> C++ is a bitch :([20:32:05] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[20:32:11] <smooBe> well, I used to do actionscript and .net, now doing c++ and I finnally start to like / love c++[20:33:01] <smooBe> c++ is fast, free and portable[20:33:12] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[20:33:16] <smooBe> and BeAPI seems really nice[20:33:18] <GeneralMaximus> i mostly write Objective-C, which is a really simple language[20:33:22] <tqh> smooBe, it is ok[20:33:49] <smooBe> GeneralMaximus write a obj-c wrapper for BeAPI :P[20:34:03] <GeneralMaximus> now that would be awesome :)[20:34:14] <tqh> all the memory will be freed when you quit, and since you allocate the window on the stack it will be released when the function it is in exits, which also happens to be the main function[20:34:25] <GeneralMaximus> does the GNU ObjC compiler even work on Haiku?[20:34:59] <smooBe> is GNU ObjC compatible with Apple's one ? (hahaha)[20:35:16] <GeneralMaximus> i think they've caught up now[20:35:22] <smooBe> tqh, on the stack but it's a pointer ...[20:35:51] <smooBe> but I understand[20:35:51] <smooBe> :)[20:35:58] <tqh> smooBe, I meant the app anyway :)[20:36:17] <GeneralMaximus> tqh: is it okay to create the window on a stack? i recall running into problems when i allocated a BLooper on the stack. doesn't BWindow inherit from BLooper?[20:37:03] <smooBe> my dog want to code instead of me ^^[20:37:04] <tqh> GeneralMaximus, sorry I meant the app. I think windows and bloopers will be hard to have on the stack as the lifetime will probably be too short.[20:37:46] * GeneralMaximus nods[20:38:59] <smooBe> ok guys, thanks and see you later, VIVE HAIKU o/[20:39:15] *** prOSy has joined #haiku[20:39:19] * smooBe is idle: talk to my dog[20:40:45] <OmniMancer> not to mention BLoopers are different threads...[20:41:16] *** smooBe has quit IRC[20:42:11] <tqh> OmniMancer, exactly[20:44:11] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[20:44:18] *** leszek has quit IRC[20:46:53] *** ukev has joined #haiku[20:48:52] *** _oxoocoffee_ has joined #haiku[20:50:30] *** kirilla has quit IRC[20:52:43] *** E-WolfShade has quit IRC[20:53:04] *** GeneralMaximus has quit IRC[20:56:00] *** m0ns00n has joined #haiku[20:56:37] *** ari2-free has quit IRC[21:00:44] *** slaine_ has quit IRC[21:07:20] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[21:25:31] <jer> GNU ObjC's runtime is broken (two words: typed selectors)[21:26:23] <jer> but i'm not sure the quality of GNU ObjC++ which is what'd be needed to write an objc wrapper for BeAPI[21:30:40] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[21:37:39] *** kirilla has quit IRC[21:38:14] *** joeyadams has quit IRC[21:49:01] *** kitallis has quit IRC[21:51:24] *** adamk has quit IRC[21:52:03] *** adamk has joined #haiku[21:55:26] *** adamk has quit IRC[21:55:31] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[21:56:38] *** _oxoocoffee_ has quit IRC[22:00:02] *** adamk has joined #haiku[22:00:19] <CIA-7> bonefish * r34323 /haiku/trunk/src/tools/gensyscalls/ (10 files in 7 dirs): (log message trimmed)[22:00:19] <CIA-7> Changed the way the syscall infos are generated. 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