November 25, 2009 
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November 25, 2009 [00:01:05] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34226 /haiku/trunk/headers/build/os/support/SupportDefs.h: Forgot the search and replace step after the copy and paste.[00:04:38] *** J-Ho has quit IRC[00:05:07] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[00:06:49] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[00:08:16] *** Malmis_ has quit IRC[00:08:59] <mmu_man> seems Ingo got a newer machine :)[00:09:05] <mmu_man> 64bit ? :)[00:12:23] <umccullough_w> or, maybe he reinstalled with 64bit linux ;)[00:13:03] <umccullough_w> sure doesn't hurt to have our build environment 64bit safe :P[00:15:38] *** hoelzro has quit IRC[00:18:45] *** [r4] has quit IRC[00:18:55] *** joshc has quit IRC[00:21:07] *** Darknesss has quit IRC[00:22:31] *** Kroki has quit IRC[00:23:42] *** brrant has joined #haiku[00:30:19] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[00:31:35] <cb88> is there some reason my build would fail for lack of userlandfs? is it to do with haikufiles being down?[00:31:38] <CIA-69> augiedoggie * r524 /haikuports/trunk/dev-util/cvs/ (cvs-1.12.13.1.bep patches/cvs-1.12.13.1.patch):[00:31:38] <CIA-69> Adding initial patch/bep file for cvs-1.12.13.1 snapshot.[00:31:38] <CIA-69> NOTE: The cvs config files have been moved from[00:31:38] <CIA-69> ~/(.cvsrc/.cvspass/etc...) to B_USER_SETTINGS_DIR/cvs/(cvsrc/cvspass/etc...)[00:32:19] <cb88> well.. haiku-files isn't down now so isn't that[00:33:12] <mmadia> from what OS are you building and what are you building --gcc2, 4, ppc?[00:33:56] *** Cheshire_Cat has joined #haiku[00:34:20] *** Geoz has quit IRC[00:34:22] *** Cheshire_Cat is now known as Geoz[00:34:35] <cb88> building from linux ... does this for both gcc2hybrid and gcc2 (I think its gcc 2) on separate machines[00:34:48] <mmadia> what revision?[00:34:57] <mmadia> 32 or 64bit linux?[00:35:05] <cb88> 34223 ... 32bit[00:35:12] *** kalas has joined #haiku[00:35:40] <cpr420> userlandfs is broken for me too[00:35:49] <cpr420> i think Ingo messed up[00:35:49] <cb88> which shouldn't matter... since you can do linux32[00:35:53] <mmadia> it's possibly an actual error. BOM is only up to 34216[00:35:56] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34227 /haiku/trunk/ (10 files in 5 dirs):[00:35:56] <CIA-69> * Don't even try to use the BeOS compatible types on the build platform.[00:35:56] <CIA-69> That's just leading to problems.[00:35:56] <CIA-69> * Fixed various 64 bit warnings when building libbe_build.so. One of the more[00:35:56] <CIA-69> serious issues, that might bite us, is that 64 bit Linux defines dev_t to[00:35:56] <CIA-69> unsigned long, while Haiku code assumes that it is signed and 32 bit. We'll[00:36:00] <CIA-69> see...[00:37:04] <mmadia> want to pastebin the error?[00:38:48] <cb88> I was just doing that[00:39:41] <cb88> http://haiku.pastebin.com/m738cb1d3[00:41:44] <cb88> mmadia: what is that pastebin you posted before mine... list UserLandFS in packageBlacklist is that relavant?[00:42:43] <mmadia> no. that's my script for installing optional packages, like from within the nightly images[00:43:08] <cb88> ic...[00:44:00] <mmadia> is UserLandFS part of the @alpha-* profiles or does it need to be added via UserBuildConfig?[00:44:41] <mmadia> because x86gcc2 and x86gcc4 r34223 is building fine on FreeBSD.[00:44:55] <cb88> dunno... its in my userbuild config... im just building to a harddrive partion in both cases[00:45:21] <cb88> I wonder what happens if I remove it...[00:46:22] <mmadia> that would explain it.[00:47:20] <cb88> how so?[00:47:40] *** kalas has left #haiku[00:48:13] <mmadia> since UserLandFS isn't in the release build profiles, Build-O-Matic doesn't try building it.[00:51:01] <cb88> well that kind of defeats the purpose of test builds... i would think[00:52:00] <cb88> yeah that seems to have been the problem though[00:52:18] <cb88> the build is continuing ...fine[00:56:51] *** Andrius has quit IRC[00:57:12] <cb88> onward to designing a 16bit ALU /w carrylookahead logic...muhahah[00:58:51] <mmadia> there isn't a predefined target for building all targets[00:59:41] *** PasNox has quit IRC[01:03:27] <cb88> Well there was the addallotionalpackages option but that got removed... for some reason[01:07:11] *** J-Ho has left #haiku[01:08:36] *** Kraln- has left #haiku[01:16:04] <umccullough_w> it doesn't make sense to always test-build *everything*[01:16:29] *** gtaw has joined #haiku[01:16:46] <umccullough_w> not all optional packages are maintained - so if some of the less used ones break, it's low priority[01:20:06] *** redblue has joined #haiku[01:20:51] <cpr420> except that userlandfs is being used for the packager, it would be nice to have that one tested[01:21:27] <umccullough_w> it seems like that would make sense when packager is actually part of the default profile[01:21:44] <cpr420> true[01:22:08] <umccullough_w> otherwise, it falls into the exact same category as userlandfs[01:23:07] <cb88> untill then I shall test it all ... at least what is building anyway ... X.x[01:23:55] <cb88> well everything but userlandfs seems to have installed....[01:27:12] *** HaikuBot has quit IRC[01:32:58] *** markos_ has quit IRC[01:42:04] *** luroh has quit IRC[01:42:42] <CIA-69> anevilyak * r34228 /haiku/trunk/src/tools/locale/DefaultCatalog.cpp: Fix build error on 32-bit host platform (no function max(int, long int)). I unfortunately can't verify if this works or fails on a 64-bit host though.[01:42:52] *** alexsuraci has quit IRC[01:51:30] *** raichoo has quit IRC[01:52:02] *** xvedejas has quit IRC[02:00:22] *** redblue has quit IRC[02:01:51] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[02:04:42] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[02:04:45] *** ukev has quit IRC[02:15:25] <kirilla> umm.. does 64-bit Windows 7 run 32-bit games without problems?[02:16:21] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:18:36] <saivert> yes[02:19:13] <kirilla> thanks saivert[02:20:50] <HeTo> hmm I suppose you might get troubles if the game uses a copy protection scheme based on a kernel driver[02:20:53] <saivert> very few games are available in 64 bit mode. Unreal Tournament 3, Crysis, Half-Life 2 as far as I know[02:21:17] <saivert> and some indie games for sure[02:21:56] <kirilla> I'm somewhat tempted to take up Age of Conan again.[02:23:46] <kirilla> fwiw, microsoft lists it as compatible with the 64-bit version[02:24:12] <kirilla> getting win7 just for AoC.. may be a little weird I suppose[02:24:49] *** _Ruan_ has quit IRC[02:25:37] <cb88> supposedly they fixed some compatibility issues... in win7 vs vista[02:27:22] <cb88> HeTo: and why would you even want to run such a game?[02:29:00] <kirilla> for the massive textures etc you can address in 64-bit mode ;)[02:29:30] <cb88> im checking out haiku on a 64bit machine atm... will have a build soon will boot it up tomorrow.. since its remote[02:31:52] <cb88> I wonder if that is what the megatextures in idtech 4 do...[02:32:22] <HeTo> cb88: duh, because you want to play it?[02:33:15] <cb88> not if it is loading up drivers that do who knows what...[02:34:01] <kirilla> I'm off. good night everyone![02:34:12] *** kirilla has quit IRC[02:35:01] <cb88> perhaps a built in anti cheat system should be in the gamekit for haiku.... that way it might deflect some of the worse ones[02:35:13] <cb88> nite...[02:38:07] <HeTo> cb88: but I'm pretty sure there are copy protection systems that install a kernel driver[02:39:22] <HeTo> I've had some games that complain about copy protection unless you run them as Administrator once[02:40:33] *** Malmis has joined #Haiku[02:40:52] <cb88> HeTo: I don't dout that a bit ...doesn't mean I trust it though I have installed quite a few unverified drivers before though guess there isn't much different... and it wouldn't matter anyway with the font signing hack...[02:42:09] <cb88> Anyone could license the ms fonts like wine does... and use the signage from those to "sign" thier driver X.x[02:42:12] *** triplez has quit IRC[02:43:57] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[02:49:33] *** saivert has quit IRC[02:50:56] *** saivert has joined #haiku[02:56:32] *** umccullough_w has quit IRC[03:04:58] *** somebody has joined #haiku[03:05:10] *** somebody is now known as anarchos[03:17:56] *** NetLife has joined #haiku[03:18:07] <NetLife> hello haiku ppl[03:18:24] *** Malmis_ has joined #Haiku[03:19:00] <cb88> hey[03:19:17] <NetLife> well, anyway I have a lot of questions...[03:19:24] <cb88> shoot[03:19:42] <NetLife> oh hey cb88 didn't see you there[03:19:59] <cb88> better to ask than to ask to ask ;-)[03:20:23] <cb88> been quite in here for awhile anyway...[03:20:24] <NetLife> well, the first question is related to a ticket I submitted[03:20:41] <NetLife> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/5018[03:21:10] <NetLife> I don't understand what rudolf wants me to do...[03:23:03] <cb88> dunno exactly either... I would probably post in the ticket asking him to clarify[03:23:10] <cb88> not that I am a developer...[03:23:20] <NetLife> ok[03:23:43] <NetLife> I'm a total noob[03:24:04] *** Geoz has quit IRC[03:24:07] <cb88> you might could search for this nvidia.settings file[03:24:23] <cb88> and see if it has some agp option you can disable...[03:24:47] <cb88> which is what he wants you to do... apparently there is a problem with AGP and it needs to be forced into PCI mode[03:25:12] <cb88> actually im being stupid... I have haiku booted up here on a geforce2[03:25:35] <NetLife> yes, but now I see what he means by modify[03:25:46] <NetLife> modify the settings file, that makes sense[03:26:50] <cb88> yeah I think that is it[03:26:56] <cb88> did you find it?[03:27:03] *** Malmis has quit IRC[03:27:17] <NetLife> not yet I have another question real quick[03:27:52] <cb88> im searching for it in teh svn source as well... found it[03:28:40] <cb88> NetLife: do you have the source checked out?[03:28:46] <cb88> or did you install from an image?[03:28:52] <NetLife> from an image[03:29:09] <cb88> ic[03:29:18] <cb88> will try to get link to the file for ya[03:29:27] <NetLife> awsome[03:29:37] <mmadia> NetLife : nvidia.settings is in the source tree : http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/nvidia[03:30:34] <cb88> awe... beat me XD[03:30:48] *** SiCuTDeUx_ has joined #haiku[03:31:02] <cb88> thats dialup for ya though lol[03:31:23] <mmadia> and Trac running on a good server :)[03:31:23] <NetLife> thanks guys[03:31:39] <cb88> force_pci false >> force_pci true[03:31:51] <NetLife> sure, will try that[03:32:11] <NetLife> here's my other question[03:32:38] <NetLife> the raw image is about 450mb how can I use the rest of my flash drive which is 2gb?[03:33:00] <NetLife> or would I have to build the source from scratch?[03:33:22] <cb88> i think you can expand the image... I forge how that works though[03:33:36] <mmadia> BFS can't be resized.[03:34:27] <NetLife> What if I partition the flash drive?[03:34:52] <mmadia> then you'd need to run makebootable on the drive.[03:35:13] <NetLife> oh, is that easy to do?[03:35:15] *** brrant has quit IRC[03:35:22] <cb88> you need to check out the source...[03:35:23] <mmadia> within Haiku yes.[03:35:27] <cb88> or that[03:35:29] <mmadia> or that[03:35:33] <cb88> lol[03:36:12] <mmadia> :)[03:36:23] <cb88> mmadia: is haiku supposed to build on 64bit with the recent fixes? the build tools aren't even building for me[03:36:46] <mmadia> the easiest i find is booting one usb stick that had the image dd'd and using Installer to install Haiku on a 2nd one..[03:37:30] <mmadia> im not sure if ingo'r 64bit work is finished, cb88[03:37:55] <mmadia> how are yoiu trying to build them?[03:38:02] <cb88> http://haiku.pastebin.com/m53f258e[03:38:10] <NetLife> oh yeah! now that is a good idea![03:38:18] <cb88> NetLife: not a 64bit port[03:38:36] <NetLife> I meant how to get the rest of my disk[03:38:58] <mmadia> seems like you'll need to use linux32[03:39:08] <cb88> yeah that works anyway[03:39:14] <cb88> I know that for a fact...[03:39:45] <cb88> having done it several times... with many different revisions some of them were a bit crashy though[03:40:58] <mmadia> come to think of it, the 64bit stuff was only added to haiku/trunk not buildtools/trunk[03:43:58] <cb88> ah... i was trying gcc2 build... that isn't supported[03:49:32] <cb88> hmm well I think i have my register behavioral model correct... I guess I will run it by the teacher tomorrow[03:50:28] <cb88> ttyl... will try to get that built tomorrow[03:50:35] <cb88> night all[03:51:18] *** cb88 has quit IRC[03:51:24] *** brrant has joined #haiku[04:04:01] <anarchos> anyone have a spare google wave invite? :)[04:05:57] <anarchos> frikkin google stole my idea :P. i've been brainstorming something simular for a few months now, based on a javascript front end to xmpp[04:09:28] <helf|laptop> i hope your idea would run better than wave does[04:09:31] <helf|laptop> its slow as shit[04:10:33] <OmniMancer> wave's interface isn't too nice[04:11:00] <helf|laptop> its awful imo[04:11:04] <AlienSoldier> i don't get why they don't base their google OS on it completly[04:11:12] <OmniMancer> I like meebo's one better...[04:11:17] <helf|laptop> AlienSoldier, what?[04:11:39] <helf|laptop> AlienSoldier, "Google OS" is just stripped kernel base for Chromium :P[04:11:55] <AlienSoldier> helf|laptop i mean have wave as sole interface[04:12:00] <anarchos> helf|laptop: got any invites left? :D[04:12:14] <OmniMancer> why put windows there if you can't move them[04:12:26] <anarchos> i think everyone who has an account gets like 7 or something..[04:12:41] <AlienSoldier> anarchos ask Kevin Bacon[04:12:43] <helf|laptop> OmniMancer, that was my main gripe[04:12:48] <helf|laptop> i kept trying to rearrange stuff[04:13:00] <helf|laptop> anarchos, lemme see if i even have any. it never gave me an invitations[04:13:03] <anarchos> whos that[04:13:20] <AlienSoldier> ... 6 degree of Kevin Bacon[04:13:30] <anarchos> oh, lol[04:13:44] <helf|laptop> oh, they finally gave me some invitations[04:13:45] <helf|laptop> i have 8[04:13:50] <helf|laptop> whats your address, anarchos ?[04:13:59] <anarchos> mikehamilton00 at gmail dot com[04:14:17] <helf|laptop> added[04:14:22] <helf|laptop> might take a day or two for you to get it[04:14:44] <anarchos> you're a legend[04:14:44] <AlienSoldier> i guess wave have no chance in our current firfox? Have not tested it yet[04:14:44] <anarchos> cheers[04:14:45] <OmniMancer> meebo the online chat site thing has a nice interface, with windows even :D[04:15:03] <helf|laptop> AlienSoldier, should work[04:15:05] <helf|laptop> just be slow[04:15:16] <anarchos> Chrome OS seems cool only if you can access the same interface from ANY browser[04:15:17] <helf|laptop> OmniMancer, i havent used meebo in ages. they change it any?[04:15:36] <helf|laptop> chrome OS seems nice if you want an internet tablet or appliance in your house[04:15:39] <helf|laptop> ...and thats about it[04:15:46] <helf|laptop> maybe for like grandparents that only do email[04:15:56] <anarchos> Chrome OS on a netbook/nettop and then be able to log into the same interface from any browser, all my data/music/movies should be available, etc[04:15:58] *** jmayfield_ has joined #haiku[04:16:02] <OmniMancer> helf|laptop since I don't know what it was like when you saw it I can't say, go look at it[04:16:09] <anarchos> i would use that[04:16:47] <anarchos> no matter what PC im on, go to GoogleOS.com or something, bring up the ChromeOS interface in full screen, and just work with something familiar[04:17:00] <anarchos> otherwise, whats the point?[04:17:04] <helf|laptop> OmniMancer, heh.. yeah i guess that was a bit dumb of me :)[04:17:20] *** NetLife has quit IRC[04:17:20] *** saivert has quit IRC[04:17:22] *** |Qeos| has quit IRC[04:17:22] *** Xeon3D has quit IRC[04:17:22] *** baia_ has quit IRC[04:17:23] *** Syn-- has quit IRC[04:17:23] *** tttonyyy has quit IRC[04:17:23] *** NeonLicht has quit IRC[04:17:26] *** Styrbjorn has quit IRC[04:17:26] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[04:17:26] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[04:17:26] *** ari-free has quit IRC[04:17:26] *** rkbm has quit IRC[04:17:26] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[04:17:27] *** ChanServ has quit IRC[04:17:28] *** Vampyre has quit IRC[04:17:28] *** gamaral has quit IRC[04:17:28] *** tic has quit IRC[04:17:34] *** impy has quit IRC[04:17:34] *** Shoozza has quit IRC[04:17:35] *** qoreQ has quit IRC[04:17:35] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[04:17:35] *** fly-away has quit IRC[04:17:36] *** cnuke has quit IRC[04:17:36] *** bryguy[lap] has quit IRC[04:17:37] *** rennj has quit IRC[04:17:37] *** fran has quit IRC[04:17:37] *** helf|laptop has quit IRC[04:17:37] *** nighty___ has quit IRC[04:17:38] *** thebolt has quit IRC[04:17:38] *** geist has quit IRC[04:17:38] *** DraX has quit IRC[04:17:59] <jmayfield_> heh.. google[04:18:03] *** gtaw has quit IRC[04:18:07] *** gtaw has joined #haiku[04:18:18] *** ChanServ has joined #haiku[04:18:18] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[04:18:18] *** fly-away has joined #haiku[04:18:18] *** Vampyre has joined #haiku[04:18:18] *** tic has joined #haiku[04:18:18] *** gamaral has joined #haiku[04:18:18] *** impy has joined #haiku[04:18:18] *** Shoozza has joined #haiku[04:18:18] *** cnuke has joined #haiku[04:18:18] *** qoreQ has joined #haiku[04:18:18] *** bryguy[lap] has joined #haiku[04:18:18] *** rennj has joined #haiku[04:18:18] *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ[04:26:58] *** alexsuraci has joined #haiku[04:36:02] *** helf|laptop has joined #haiku[04:36:36] *** mmadia has quit IRC[04:46:02] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[04:47:07] *** andrewbachmann has joined #haiku[04:50:26] *** NetLife has joined #haiku[04:50:37] <NetLife> hello I need some more help[04:51:06] <andrewbachmann> sup NetLife[04:51:23] <NetLife> I used fdisk to format a usb to install haiku but installer does not recognize it[04:51:44] <NetLife> I formatted in linux, but when I boot into haiku installer doesn't see it[04:51:45] *** xvedejas has joined #haiku[04:52:09] <CIA-69> phoudoin * r34229 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/kits/midi/ (20 files in 2 dirs):[04:52:09] <CIA-69> Import Be sample-code licensed MIDI PatchBay.[04:52:09] <CIA-69> Single change from original: "using namespace std" was missing in PatchView.h.[04:53:00] <andrewbachmann> netlife usually you have to initialize the disk from DriveSetup[04:53:38] <NetLife> is that on haiku or linux[04:56:02] <andrewbachmann> haiku[04:56:27] <NetLife> sorry for the stoopid quesiton. I imagined as much.[04:59:14] <NetLife> om it worked! Installation in progress![04:59:17] <NetLife> ok[04:59:44] *** phoudoin has joined #haiku[04:59:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o phoudoin[05:01:05] <NetLife> is there a flash player for haiku?[05:01:54] <phoudoin> Yep, a port of Gnash[05:02:27] <NetLife> ah, cool, just wondering[05:06:55] <NetLife> I actually got a PANIC while attempting the install[05:09:49] <phoudoin> witch prove flash is evil :-)[05:10:55] <NetLife> well, I wasn't installing flash I was installing haiku from one usb drive to another[05:11:01] <NetLife> but why is flash evil[05:12:17] <OmniMancer> because it was mentioned and the install failed[05:12:28] *** HisMajesty has joined #haiku[05:12:58] <NetLife> ok I won't pursue it further[05:13:18] <HisMajesty> heartland america has a netbook for one hundred and seventy nine dollars and nintey nine cents. perfect to test out haiku on.[05:14:03] *** andrewbachmann_ has joined #haiku[05:14:15] *** andrewbachmann has quit IRC[05:14:57] <HisMajesty> we did it, 200 dollar pompooter[05:15:49] <HisMajesty> yer choice white or black, and I hope they get plenty of them[05:22:48] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[05:22:50] *** SiCuTDeUx_ has quit IRC[05:23:21] <HisMajesty> let me know when you got on running vision here, on a netbook, haiku.[05:23:37] <HisMajesty> I'm planning on getting one soon. just something worth having.[05:31:59] <HisMajesty> oh wait, it's like bruce almighty on forum search on haiku and netbook.[05:38:38] <HisMajesty> http://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/haiku_ui_idea on this forum, the awnser show/hide tab, and cascade tabs[05:39:54] <HisMajesty> you can do cascade tabs, by manually shifting the tabs each one to different position, then maximixing all, and the tabs will all appear cascaded. a one off cascade command however, could simplify[05:41:47] * andrewbachmann_ is looking for bepc-info[05:42:14] <HisMajesty> after all, it was probably manual cascade tabs in beos that lead to multi page web browesrs.[05:43:45] * jmayfield_ makes a quiche[05:44:11] <HisMajesty> but- that's tab control, tabby[05:45:08] *** phoudoin has quit IRC[05:45:36] <HisMajesty> http://sadguysontradingfloors.tumblr.com/post/217216015/trader-cat-will-devour-your-soul Thought for the day.[05:53:36] *** glootech has quit IRC[05:54:18] *** glootech has joined #haiku[05:56:19] * HisMajesty makes a quiche lorraine from the ceiling.[05:57:09] *** triplez has joined #haiku[05:58:30] *** NetLife has quit IRC[05:58:43] <eisenawesome> Jesus, that site is so full of win[06:01:04] <HisMajesty> the sick joke is someone sold jesus toast on ebay.. I don't find it amusing. stop stealing my family jewels, go trade some cars or something.[06:02:47] <HisMajesty> so many issues in the world.. this channel is haiku home. where the falling leaf, ahh, there it is.[06:04:21] *** mantis has joined #haiku[06:07:23] <HisMajesty> naahh, final one R1 master to be made of sapphire? tony little yells, you can do itttttttttttt[06:08:05] <HisMajesty> presentation copy to be presented to jlg.[06:08:19] <HisMajesty> made of aerospace sapphire.[06:08:32] <eisenawesome> sapphires?[06:08:34] <eisenawesome> more like[06:08:38] <eisenawesome> diamonds[06:08:46] <eisenawesome> with the label painted with real platinum[06:08:54] <HisMajesty> doable, but harder, way harder.[06:09:02] <eisenawesome> also way more expensive[06:09:05] <eisenawesome> and thus better[06:09:13] <eisenawesome> and make it larger than a normal cd[06:09:16] <HisMajesty> whereas, I actually think you can get sapphire masters.[06:09:16] <eisenawesome> just to be cool[06:09:21] <eisenawesome> like[06:09:24] <eisenawesome> 22 or 23 inches[06:11:43] <HisMajesty> sapphire glass, a misnomer actually, is artificial sapphire glass. used in things like aerospace, it's very hard, very tough.[06:11:58] <HisMajesty> and it's optical quality is nearly unparlleled.[06:12:34] <HisMajesty> but, it's actually doable for a glass master.[06:12:35] <eisenawesome> I still support diamond[06:12:57] <HisMajesty> you can give him a diamond if you want.[06:13:47] <HisMajesty> a jeweled leaf that said haiku on it, would only set you back 1000 dollars.[06:14:00] *** geist has joined #haiku[06:14:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o geist[06:15:08] <eisenawesome> no[06:15:12] <eisenawesome> an actual install cd[06:15:15] <eisenawesome> MADE FROM DIAMONDS[06:15:21] <eisenawesome> maybe throw in the tears of innocents[06:15:25] <eisenawesome> just for extra evilness[06:15:29] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[06:15:48] <HisMajesty> what would jlg need with evilness, he's already worked for apple.[06:16:08] <eisenawesome> heh[06:16:11] <eisenawesome> true[06:16:37] <HisMajesty> sorry, I just said that steve and steve need to take a step back and let dom take it all over.[06:16:54] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku[06:17:03] <HisMajesty> now, that's Evil![06:18:11] *** mantis__ has quit IRC[06:19:23] <HisMajesty> in all reality, dominic good fellow, son of one community and one of the founding fathers of another. good chap.[06:19:58] <HisMajesty> actually, son of two, father of two communities. let's be honest.[06:20:10] *** prOSy has joined #haiku[06:20:20] <prOSy> hi[06:20:36] <eisenawesome> hello[06:23:14] <HisMajesty> I mean, on the list of greats, I hope they put dominic's name up there.. because, Gates just used someone elses filesystem.[06:23:33] <HisMajesty> the umm, Hall of Fame.[06:24:32] <HisMajesty> and I hope he's on the first list of inductees.[06:26:32] <HisMajesty> There are a lot of unsung greats.. some deserve awards, some deserve a key on the keyboard of fame.[06:26:45] *** DraX has joined #haiku[06:27:38] <HisMajesty> which is a wall that's a giant keyboard, where the greats' names emblazon one of the keys[06:27:40] <CIA-69> phoudoin * r34230 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/midi/ (DeviceWatcher.cpp DeviceWatcher.h Jamfile midi_server.rdef): Added missing vector icon support.[06:28:10] <DraX> go splitnode \o/[06:30:07] <HisMajesty> complete with museum.. would be fine, the pioneers, the garden of silicon, the code poets..[06:34:03] <HisMajesty> the cool part is, the keyboard of fame, you actually touch their name, and information comes up on an interactive historigraphy about them, their works, their style, etc.[06:36:28] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[06:37:29] <HisMajesty> and you get to see what they did, in action. sure.[06:38:23] <HisMajesty> I am not predisposed against the smithsonian on this one.. being involved, but there is no rule.[06:40:21] <HisMajesty> a lot of it can be educational, the computer recycling movement, and there's footage on circuit board dumps in africa.. all sorts of things.[06:41:27] <HisMajesty> how the media might have accidently invented the cellphone ied..[06:41:54] <HisMajesty> and how many programming languages, mountians of them..[06:42:47] *** SiCuTDeUx_ has joined #haiku[06:42:48] <eisenawesome> everything ought to be written in D[06:45:16] <HisMajesty> of course, the computers and supercomputing power nessicary to work the museum.. hehe.. let's just say.. it'll take a grant.[06:45:38] <HisMajesty> and there really is that much stuff out there now, to warrant a serious look into such a thing.[06:45:57] <CIA-69> phoudoin * r34231 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/midi/DeviceWatcher.cpp:[06:45:57] <CIA-69> Renamed vector icon message data name to to simply "icon".[06:45:57] <CIA-69> It's typed as B_VECTOR_ICON_TYPE, which is only known under Haiku.[06:47:16] <HisMajesty> it's ok, I've told folks they need a large automobile museum like the air and space museum, in detroit.[06:47:44] <eisenawesome> that's actually a pretty good idea[06:47:50] <eisenawesome> bring in some revenue[06:47:59] <jmayfield_> but wouldnt one want people to actually visit this museum?[06:48:00] <HisMajesty> definatly would.. the old packard plant.[06:48:59] <HisMajesty> there are perhaps, over a million different makes of automobile, of course.[06:48:59] *** gtaw has quit IRC[06:50:41] <HisMajesty> people would come from other places to find a place that, in the monthly exibits, is showing a golden hawk owned by some famous actor..[06:50:59] <HisMajesty> right across from the first car with bucket seats.[06:52:01] <HisMajesty> down the way from that, would be nadia commaneci's escape vehicle.[06:52:54] <HisMajesty> which was a trans am or corvette, black, that I do know.[06:53:10] <eisenawesome> well[06:53:17] <eisenawesome> it sounds like you've got a lot of work to do[06:53:45] <jmayfield_> nothing says inconspicuous in europe like a trans am/corvette[06:55:23] *** congocongo has joined #haiku[06:55:41] <HisMajesty> they were fast cars, and low to the ground, the communists' by their very nature, such an opulent "imperialist looking thing", no way in hell they could have caught her.[06:56:05] <eisenawesome> yeah, the commies made shitty cars[06:56:43] *** phoudoin has joined #haiku[06:56:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o phoudoin[06:59:04] <HisMajesty> bbl[06:59:07] *** HisMajesty has quit IRC[07:00:38] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[07:03:28] <CIA-69> phoudoin * r34232 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/glteapot/FPS.cpp:[07:03:28] <CIA-69> Applied patch by mmadia to truncate FPS to an integer.[07:03:28] <CIA-69> Fixed #4870.[07:03:33] *** redblue has joined #haiku[07:06:03] *** HisMajesty has joined #haiku[07:06:55] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[07:06:59] <HisMajesty> I can imagine, at the automotive museum, there would be five drive in restaurants, a diner type restaurant, and grand restaurant..[07:07:01] *** prOSy has quit IRC[07:08:42] <HisMajesty> speakeasy style.. grand luxurious kinda thing, flapper girls and duesseldors.[07:08:49] <HisMajesty> dusseldorfs.[07:09:01] <eisenawesome> you really do have your work cut out for you[07:09:13] <eisenawesome> I'm counting on you to bring this to reality[07:09:34] <HisMajesty> everyone does. things don't get done by themselves.[07:10:08] <jmayfield_> duesenbergs[07:10:23] <HisMajesty> There's been some talk about it, there's two or three abandoned complexes in downtown detroit that just have to be handled. tearing them down is turning out to be not the best option.[07:10:41] <HisMajesty> jmayfield_, duesenberg, thx.[07:12:37] <HisMajesty> I mean, just imagine an exibition of the fast and furious cars..[07:13:00] <HisMajesty> or, burt reynold's cars..[07:13:33] <eisenawesome> or james bonds' cars[07:13:55] <HisMajesty> on the fast and furious car exebition opening.. vin diesel shows up for some autographs.[07:14:16] *** glootech_ has joined #haiku[07:14:29] <HisMajesty> eisenawesome, surely, or james bond's myriad cars.[07:14:44] <HisMajesty> how many of those have their been? a few.[07:14:52] <eisenawesome> all of them awesome[07:15:18] <jmayfield_> dunno.. after the lotus esprit, they went downhill[07:16:34] <HisMajesty> oh, there's plenty, it's like this: without the automobile, hollywood wouldn't exist.[07:16:58] <HisMajesty> vegas neither.[07:17:25] <umccullough> since vegas is in the middle of the desert, i buy that one[07:17:40] <jmayfield_> you mean 'flexible means of transport' more than 'automobile'[07:18:03] <umccullough> a train to/from vegas would probably do it :)[07:18:21] <umccullough> i venture a guess that most of their visitors either fly in, or drive from Los Angeles[07:18:22] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[07:18:37] <HisMajesty> jmayfield_, the early films were not possible without getting the celluloid film from sometimes, a hostile place, like the desert, to someplace safer.[07:18:49] <jmayfield_> sure[07:18:54] <jmayfield_> and cars fille than need[07:18:57] <jmayfield_> filled[07:19:05] <HisMajesty> even back then, they were required.[07:19:07] <jmayfield_> but it could as well have been something else[07:19:15] <umccullough> a horsey[07:19:22] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[07:19:23] <AlienSoldier> i imagine that is zepelin would have win the transportation race we would each have one and cause global freezing[07:19:25] <HisMajesty> my grandmother remembers driving at 13. how's that?[07:19:28] <AlienSoldier> *is=if[07:19:53] <HisMajesty> she's in her mid 80's[07:20:04] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[07:20:28] <jmayfield_> i used to drive an old korean war era jeep around a cattle ranch all the time when i was 7-8ish[07:21:03] <jmayfield_> ground squirrel hunting[07:21:07] <HisMajesty> yeah, sorta the same, but not quite, she just plain old driving then.[07:21:19] <HisMajesty> she had younger sisters she was looking out for.[07:21:51] <HisMajesty> and america is a big country, hard to get around with the geography without an auto, not like in europe[07:22:06] <jmayfield_> i was looking out for cattle.. by looking out for ground squirrels, driving by them while my dad shot them from the back[07:22:37] <HisMajesty> you thought for a minute there, there wasn't a thing more fun on earth, either.[07:23:38] <jmayfield_> well, getting to drive at 7 is pretty damned fun[07:27:19] *** sprma has joined #haiku[07:27:19] *** saivert has joined #haiku[07:27:19] *** |Qeos| has joined #haiku[07:27:19] *** Xeon3D has joined #haiku[07:27:19] *** Syn-- has joined #haiku[07:27:19] *** tttonyyy has joined #haiku[07:27:19] *** NeonLicht has joined #haiku[07:27:19] *** Styrbjorn has joined #haiku[07:27:19] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[07:27:19] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[07:27:19] *** ari-free has joined #haiku[07:27:19] *** rkbm has joined #haiku[07:27:53] *** fran has joined #haiku[07:27:53] *** nighty___ has joined #haiku[07:27:53] *** thebolt has joined #haiku[07:28:43] <HisMajesty> my step sister, she was driving a corvair around the yard at 12, but that was really in jest.. mostly, as they were going to sell that thing and they did.[07:30:01] <HisMajesty> she'd heard the stories about grandma driving at 13. back then, most cars didn't go that fast, this was back in the depression era. there was little traffic.[07:30:10] <HisMajesty> and not as many roads either.[07:31:02] *** glootech has quit IRC[07:32:15] *** congocongo_ has joined #haiku[07:35:45] <HisMajesty> back then, even industrialists and aristocracy was feeling the pinch, many of them had to accept different work, her father, accepted work managing a menhaden processor, good money, back in those days.[07:36:01] <HisMajesty> it was one of the few multinationals at the time..[07:37:28] <jmayfield_> yeah.. my grandmother came to california from s dakota in the 30's.. whole depression/dust bowl thing. but my grandfather lived in far nothern california.. very rural, self sufficient. was far less effected by the collapsed econ, etc[07:38:04] <HisMajesty> jmayfield_, I can understand that, I have family in california.[07:39:25] <jmayfield_> i was talking to my granfather a little while back about that sort of thing. he told me that the absolute biggest change he noticed in his life was society pre/post ww2[07:39:30] <eisenawesome> where we are now 20 billion dollars in the whole and still digging[07:39:34] <eisenawesome> *hole[07:39:43] <HisMajesty> back then, menhaden was used for everything from fertilizer to soda pop to perfumes in france. when the germans broke through maginot, that was it for perfumes.[07:40:01] *** stotish has joined #haiku[07:40:23] <jmayfield_> after ww2, everything got crazy..people stopped doing stuff and started buying stuff[07:40:24] <HisMajesty> even machine oil, they used menhaden oil for machine oil.[07:40:30] *** fran has quit IRC[07:40:53] *** brrant has quit IRC[07:41:12] *** stotish has quit IRC[07:41:34] <HisMajesty> I'm sure they used it for ten times the number of things I've told you. but most of that is now virtually nonexistant.[07:42:25] <jmayfield_> i watched a crazy documentary about the dust bowl on pbs.org last night[07:42:26] *** miqlas has quit IRC[07:43:00] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[07:44:08] *** phoudoin has quit IRC[07:44:08] <HisMajesty> nebraska remembers lean times, which is probably one reason why their democrat is reticent over this insurance system thing.. I would be. The simplicity of a voucher for a discount. We have targetted systems in the US. It's how we operate. WIC, Medicare, Medicaid, ASDN's[07:44:28] *** totish has joined #haiku[07:45:18] *** totish has quit IRC[07:46:02] <jmayfield_> the simplest solution is to just give people medical care.. if you need money to pay for it, dont drop some bombs for a few hours or so..[07:46:25] <eisenawesome> well[07:46:29] <HisMajesty> If the bill was a fish, there'd be no sense in throwing it back, but it ain't, so, to me, it's Triple E legislation and they still argue about what's optional to have in it. Does one ask that about a pair of triple E knockers? no.[07:46:44] <eisenawesome> the simplest solution is to do nothing[07:47:03] <HisMajesty> eisenawesome, the simplest thing is to use the mightiest tool of all to fix it. Our brains.[07:47:11] <eisenawesome> no[07:47:18] <eisenawesome> the simplest option is to do nothing[07:47:22] <eisenawesome> requires no effort at all[07:47:25] <eisenawesome> not the best solution[07:47:27] <eisenawesome> but the simplest[07:47:29] <jmayfield_> eisenawesome, ok.. simplest solution that yields benefits to everybody[07:47:35] <eisenawesome> :P[07:47:55] <HisMajesty> I won't get a bad bill for the sake of saying we did something. I won't get nothing for something we can do over and do right. Co-ops are good. Voucher Discounts are good.[07:48:20] *** congocongo has quit IRC[07:48:20] *** congocongo_ is now known as congocongo[07:48:21] <jmayfield_> way make it complex?[07:48:25] <jmayfield_> why[07:48:58] <jmayfield_> why shouldnt somebody be able to go to the doctor when they need to?[07:49:13] <eisenawesome> because[07:49:17] <eisenawesome> poor people don't matter[07:49:18] <eisenawesome> silly[07:49:40] <HisMajesty> jmayfield_, they want this in and that barred from being done.. etc.. they want to hell, try to put medicaid funding for landrieu in there. Even a swiss army knife is simpler.[07:49:43] <jmayfield_> easier to be unpoor when youre unsick[07:50:51] <HisMajesty> But, the main requirement is, for it to be simple. That's the first and main requirement.[07:51:23] <jmayfield_> right.. when somebody goes to the doctor, we pay for it[07:51:38] <HisMajesty> insurance policies already come with mountains of fine print that it takes three philadelphia lawyers with a scanning electron microscope to decypher.[07:52:16] <jmayfield_> we'd have less people in need of expensive medical care if we stopped blowing cash on sending people to go get broken in wars[07:52:39] <HisMajesty> jmayfield_, perhaps you don't understand that obama went to india for a reason.[07:52:47] *** triplez has quit IRC[07:52:47] *** SiCuTDeUx_ has quit IRC[07:52:49] <jmayfield_> and we could pay for peoples normal medical care too[07:53:25] <jmayfield_> HisMajesty, um, to tell india how to behave when we invade pakistan?[07:53:51] *** andrewbachmann_ has quit IRC[07:54:32] <HisMajesty> jmayfield_, not really. to get a strategic assessment of the collaberative maoist/waziri advance.[07:54:51] <eisenawesome> invade pakistan?[07:54:54] <eisenawesome> don't be silly[07:54:57] <eisenawesome> we're gonna nuke it[07:55:03] <HisMajesty> you see, it goes back to vietnam. afganistan was under the padishah[07:55:21] <HisMajesty> they took over canada's role as an observer state..[07:55:35] <HisMajesty> not long after that, the padishah was overthrown.[07:56:02] <HisMajesty> I have no idea how many great maliks they killed.[07:56:24] <HisMajesty> now, go look at nepal during the bush era.[07:56:32] <HisMajesty> and northern india.[07:57:00] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[07:57:27] <eisenawesome> I would, but I don't have a time machine[07:57:42] <HisMajesty> and they paid the price, for just being an observer state. the enemy is a maniac.[07:58:24] <jmayfield_> i am not convinced there are enemies[07:58:40] <eisenawesome> OSAMA BIN LADEN MANG[07:58:54] <eisenawesome> he's out to get us[07:59:04] <eisenawesome> he stands over you while you sleep[07:59:08] <eisenawesome> and breaths on you[07:59:15] <eisenawesome> infecting you with anthrax[07:59:26] <jmayfield_> when you poke things, they often try to get you back[08:00:09] <jmayfield_> honey bees even go on suicide missions[08:01:00] *** brrant has joined #haiku[08:01:18] <jmayfield_> at some point you have to look at the difference between standing next to a beehive and not getting stung vs standing next to a beehive while jabbing a stick into it[08:01:52] <HisMajesty> canada also found it hard to be just an observer state, but, they vowed to not fight for the US in nam.. but, pearson was off base, he didn't know the reality, observers told him on the ground, the exact same thing americans told him.. the queen was hands off the situation, because Johnson had to go to canada and basically run canada for an hour while politely told prime minister pearson the real truth, data and all. after that, canada[08:01:52] <HisMajesty> had some secret missions in cambodia, they had hoped to use facts gathered there to take it to the UN to turn the tied.[08:01:55] <HisMajesty> tide.[08:02:52] <HisMajesty> To this day, canada doesn't acknowledge it's heros of vietnam.[08:03:21] <HisMajesty> but many free vietnamese went to canada, and settled in vancouver.[08:03:30] <HisMajesty> Just so they wouldn't forget.[08:06:28] <HisMajesty> but really, no, I didn't think, no one thought, that aq and the taliban were part of some bigger strategic thing.. some do.[08:06:50] <HisMajesty> chavez's numbers are slipping and this time, there is nothing he can do.[08:07:40] <HisMajesty> we might have to go in with france to take back the panama canal, simply because we're not paying exorbiant prices to them to move our goods from alaska to the east coast. just won't do it.[08:08:39] *** sprma has quit IRC[08:08:39] <HisMajesty> chavez lies about military build ups, while his people are experiencing blackouts.[08:09:02] <HisMajesty> the countries that can save him, in relative proximity, he's pissed off to no end.[08:09:38] <HisMajesty> they throw around bourgeous words.. when what they're poking their stick at, is things like family owned farms.[08:09:53] <HisMajesty> that's a hornet's nest for sure. not what you say[08:10:18] *** knottnhupfer has joined #haiku[08:11:44] <HisMajesty> so, chavez's junta is toast. that doesn't sell as well on ebay.[08:12:21] <HisMajesty> gtg[08:12:24] *** HisMajesty has quit IRC[08:17:09] <eisenawesome> wait[08:17:18] <eisenawesome> weren't we just in panama in the 90's?[08:17:21] <eisenawesome> or 80's[08:17:24] <eisenawesome> or some point[08:17:25] <eisenawesome> :P[08:17:27] <eisenawesome> recently[08:17:32] <jmayfield_> yes[08:18:00] *** HisMajesty has joined #haiku[08:18:14] <jmayfield_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_wars[08:20:09] <HisMajesty> one short thing about the diplomatic approaches to this: We can ship moraines from alaska, they're hazardous and useless up there, to the east coast, carolinas, louisiana, galveston, etc.. but not at the rates the chinese controlled and influenced panama canal, a canal that france and the united states built, would charge us to move them through.. and lord knows who will try to hide ships in there anyhow, we guy liars concerning build[08:20:09] <HisMajesty> ups there with chavez..[08:20:52] <HisMajesty> and i have to protect this land from global warming, the best I can.[08:21:16] <jmayfield_> i dont think chavez is a threat to anybody other than those with a vested interest in an easily exploited south/central america[08:21:16] <HisMajesty> nothing at all in that comment was about oil.[08:21:45] <HisMajesty> jmayfield_, leftist lies. he'll bully the family farms out of existance, calling them the evil bourgeous elite.[08:21:53] <HisMajesty> we know, our spies are that good.[08:22:15] <eisenawesome> new proposal:[08:22:22] <eisenawesome> nuke panama until it sinks[08:22:32] <eisenawesome> enough space for all the boats you want[08:22:44] <jmayfield_> given our history in that region, i dont put much faith in what the govt says about chavez or anything about that area[08:24:05] <HisMajesty> jmayfield_, the old spanish history, you obviously mistake me for someone who was in the rota after fort caroline massacre.[08:24:32] <HisMajesty> yeah, spain lost their minds there, hehe.[08:24:45] <HisMajesty> and the monarchy there paid the price, for a long time.[08:24:46] <jmayfield_> i didnt mistake or otherwise anything about you at all[08:25:14] <jmayfield_> and i am not talking about the spanish[08:25:31] <HisMajesty> jmayfield_, you surely can. After all, the communists used an austrian book to get hitler in control of germany.[08:25:59] <HisMajesty> every country has the right to say "NO" to the prague spring.[08:26:11] *** brrant has quit IRC[08:26:12] <jmayfield_> from guatemala to allende in chile, the us fiddle and fucked around with that region in a lot of less than honorable ways[08:26:45] <HisMajesty> and you notice that cesky, they declared they required an exemption from the lisbon treaty, the socialist controlled portugal is reeling.[08:26:53] <jmayfield_> i mean, ya know, mondroe doctrine and all.. gotta totally take that thing literally[08:27:05] <jmayfield_> monroe[08:27:13] <HisMajesty> they deserve that by the way.. eventually, the eu would turn on people just like the warsaw pact turned on cesky[08:28:37] <HisMajesty> i remember gorbs.. raisa and michael, they put her down, and she was a cute lady.[08:29:39] <HisMajesty> but, they put her down. people had had enough, mikhael went to the beach, came back with a tan, and it was over.[08:29:51] <jmayfield_> i always thought "raisa gorbachev" sounded like some sort of russia paella or something[08:29:59] *** congocongo has quit IRC[08:29:59] <jmayfield_> russian[08:30:11] *** BeRReGoN has joined #haiku[08:30:42] <HisMajesty> well, they did a lot of things, wrong, besides being major murderering devils. they turned on their own kind, to the point they turned on that which was ultimatly russian. it's how all revolutions go.[08:30:46] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[08:31:32] <Begasus> moin[08:31:51] <HisMajesty> When it was common in imperial russia, for everyone to have a cottage. by the time of the fall, they'd knock people for having a cottage, a dacha.[08:32:08] <HisMajesty> russia big country, everyone could have a dacha.[08:32:14] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[08:32:20] <HisMajesty> even the peasant class.[08:33:00] *** Nozy has quit IRC[08:34:09] *** Silicon_Wolf has joined #haiku[08:34:34] *** kokito has joined #haiku[08:35:17] *** Silicon_Wolf has quit IRC[08:35:43] <HisMajesty> communism, like socialism, like slavery, is complication on top of absurdity, on top of insult, on top of grievous injury. kind of like hell should be.[08:36:26] <jmayfield_> i think you are mistaking socialism for something else entirely[08:36:36] <HisMajesty> these days, rosa luxemburg, would be in the special olympics.[08:36:40] <eisenawesome> SOCIALISM IS GONNA KILL US ALL[08:37:11] <HisMajesty> that "bum hip" of hers.[08:37:25] <jmayfield_> my understanding of socialism is more along the lines of the world socialist movement[08:37:38] <HisMajesty> they lie to you.[08:38:02] <HisMajesty> or should I mention, the russian first national army?[08:38:32] <eisenawesome> meh[08:38:36] <eisenawesome> I'm pro socialism[08:38:43] <eisenawesome> I know some guys from northern europe[08:38:50] <eisenawesome> it's a pretty sweet deal[08:38:52] *** rbi has quit IRC[08:38:52] <jmayfield_> http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/FAQ.html[08:39:18] <HisMajesty> I'm quite anti. it can't replace people quite simply being smart, having honor, caring, and giving a damn.[08:39:29] <eisenawesome> which, of course[08:39:33] <eisenawesome> a lot of people don't[08:39:46] <eisenawesome> and aren't[08:39:52] <HisMajesty> I'm one after Lord Acton, in that regard, George Orwell, who got to know all the radical movements and warned about them all.[08:40:20] <eisenawesome> I mean[08:40:41] <eisenawesome> the whole financial crisis was the result of people in power doing the exact opposite of that[08:41:08] <HisMajesty> replace communism with communitarianism, "I am a strong communitarian", he said, "I believe in the community here, they are strong"[08:41:36] <HisMajesty> replace socialism with societism. a strong society, cultured, refined, and well to do.[08:41:47] * kokito wonders if he is in the wrong IRC channel...[08:41:53] <HisMajesty> respect for the estates.[08:42:12] <HisMajesty> and down with marx forever.[08:42:31] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[08:42:31] <HisMajesty> gtg.[08:42:46] *** joshc_ has joined #haiku[08:44:05] <HisMajesty> I'm one of the decendants of the pre austrian french kings. oh, a few of them I guess. marx was a fool, like austria, they should create a country called habsburg, to look down upon austria.. 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This fixes building Haiku under Haiku.[17:32:55] *** markos__ is now known as markos_[17:33:54] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[17:34:35] *** Guest41749 has quit IRC[17:34:53] *** surrounder has quit IRC[17:37:54] <Heliodor> How will haiku handle drivers for hardware?[17:41:23] <JonathanThompson> The same way any OS handles drivers for hardware.[17:46:10] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:46:39] *** fhein has joined #haiku[17:47:25] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[17:47:36] <umccullough> it loads them :)[17:47:54] <umccullough> and i'm not sure it's a "how will" question as much as a "how does" question?[17:50:10] <Heliodor> Yes, but many complains that the hardware manufacturers have to support an operating system and provide drivers for it to work. But that would never be the case with haiku. So then, how would this be handled?[17:50:11] *** hubert_ has joined #haiku[17:50:46] <umccullough> uh[17:50:52] *** hubert_ is now known as Hugenox[17:50:53] <umccullough> so, you're asking how drivers will be written?[17:51:12] <umccullough> because...well, that's the same problem as everyone else - do you have any suggestions?[17:51:46] <umccullough> open hardware specs would be nice, then anyone would be able to write drivers[17:51:57] <mmadia> ... that isn't "use linux" or "<another OS's> kernel" :)[17:52:18] <umccullough> eh, sounds like a potential troll - i gotta get to work anyway[17:53:11] <helf> lol mmadia. I love those comments[17:53:16] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[17:53:24] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[17:53:30] <umccullough> it doesn't matter - linux has the same problem[17:53:39] <helf> lies, linux is the jesus OS[17:53:48] <umccullough> the only reason manufacturers write linux drivers is because people ask for them[17:54:10] <umccullough> and the only example i can think of that really makes any sense is nvidia[17:54:21] <umccullough> pretty much no other manufacturer writes closed-source linux drivers that I know of[17:54:44] *** miqlas has quit IRC[17:54:48] <umccullough> as for Haiku - potentially any FOSS driver can be ported[17:55:01] <umccullough> license issues are the worst problem[17:55:18] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[17:55:26] <mmu_man> hmm and lack of design of the source OS...[17:55:31] <mmu_man> (try porting a linux driver :p)[17:55:36] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[17:55:40] <umccullough> but, that doesn't mean you can't... nevermind[17:55:41] *** miqlas has quit 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quit IRC[19:49:59] *** ^kenhoob-it1 has quit IRC[19:50:27] *** ^kenhoob-it1 has joined #haiku[19:52:57] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[19:56:15] *** joeyadams has quit IRC[19:58:02] *** hoelzro has quit IRC[19:58:37] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[19:58:52] *** kokito has joined #haiku[19:58:56] <kokito> howdy[19:59:17] <kokito> what's new in Haiku land today?[19:59:30] <eisenawesome> we built a rocketship[19:59:38] <eisenawesome> and transferred the entire repo to mars[19:59:59] <eisenawesome> it now takes ten times as long to checkout![20:02:16] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[20:02:28] <jer> yay[20:02:44] <jer> eisenawesome, maybe could translate it to git instead, keep a local copy on all the planets, and some moons too[20:02:47] <jer> =][20:02:54] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[20:03:02] <eisenawesome> indeed[20:03:05] <eisenawesome> nuclear war-safe[20:03:10] <jer> indeed[20:03:15] <eisenawesome> send a copy to proxima centauri[20:03:21] <eisenawesome> in case of accidental solar detonation[20:03:40] <jer> only thing that will survive the nuclear holocost will be fruit flies (they are more protected from radiation exposure than cocroaches, by far) and the haiku repo[20:03:48] <kokito> that's because you are not using "Stargate" tunneling eisenawesome :P[20:04:39] <eisenawesome> guh, stargate[20:05:10] *** mnemo has joined #haiku[20:07:16] *** idefix_dommel has joined #haiku[20:07:18] *** idefix_dommel has left #haiku[20:07:37] *** idefix_dommel has joined #haiku[20:10:19] *** pulkomandy has joined #haiku[20:10:24] *** NthDegree has quit IRC[20:12:13] *** noisetonepause has joined #haiku[20:15:12] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[20:15:14] *** SuPeRhOmEm has joined #haiku[20:18:58] *** qoreQ has quit IRC[20:19:02] *** qoreQ has joined #haiku[20:23:11] *** luroh has quit IRC[20:32:26] *** philcostin has joined #haiku[20:33:08] *** HelfDS has joined #haiku[20:33:12] <HelfDS> hi[20:34:32] <HelfDS> this is irc client is nice[20:34:49] *** kitallis has quit IRC[20:37:52] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34252 /haiku/trunk/headers/ (build/config/HaikuConfig.h config/HaikuConfig.h): Fixed __HAIKU_ARCH for m68k.[20:38:28] *** congocongo has joined #haiku[20:38:42] <mnemo> how can I install a webbrowser on haiku? and what can I choose from? only NetPositive ?[20:39:14] *** arjen_ has joined #haiku[20:39:41] <H_MrSun> BeZilla[20:39:54] <H_MrSun> is in there already if you run the alpha atleast[20:40:07] <mnemo> i booted a nightly[20:40:18] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[20:41:03] <mnemo> where in the menu is BeZilla found?[20:41:23] *** arjen_ is now known as _arjen_[20:41:37] <idefix_dommel> it isn't included in the nightlies[20:41:53] <mnemo> can I install it?[20:42:24] <idefix_dommel> yes, use wget to download it from haiku-files.org[20:42:31] <mmadia> want to try a script i made: http://dev.haiku-os.org/raw-attachment/ticket/4680/installOptionalPackage.sh[20:42:55] <mmadia> it'll allow you to install (most) Optional Packages.[20:43:14] <mnemo> mmadia: ah can I use that to install BeZilla?[20:43:20] <mmadia> including creating symlinks. yes.[20:44:59] <mnemo> hmm no network access from inside virtualbox, need to fix that first[20:45:42] <eisenawesome> change the adapter to intel pro/1000[20:45:43] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[20:46:49] *** GeneralMaximus has quit IRC[20:47:10] *** H_MrSun has quit IRC[20:47:19] <mnemo> eisenawesome: there are three different "intel pro/1000"... A) MT Desktop, B) T Server, and C) MT Server ... can I just pick anyone of those?[20:50:28] <mnemo> "MT Desktop" works at least so I'll go with that[20:51:54] *** GeneralMaximus has joined #haiku[20:53:14] <mnemo> mmadia: what command should I run to install bezilla using your script then?[20:53:23] <mnemo> "./installOptionalPackage.sh bezilla" ?[20:53:42] *** BeRReGoN has quit IRC[20:54:21] <mmadia> ./installOptionalPackage.sh -l will list the available packages.[20:54:38] <mmadia> ./installOptionalPackage.sh -a <PackageName> will install the package.[20:54:49] <mmadia> and yes, it's case sensitive.[20:55:38] <mmadia> the script does have a shebang, but i'm not sure if the +x will carry over.[20:55:39] *** HaikUbuntu has joined #haiku[20:56:05] <mnemo> I chmod'ed it with +x[20:56:15] <mnemo> but BeZilla isn't listed in "-l" ?[20:56:20] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[20:56:33] *** joeyadams has joined #haiku[20:56:33] <mmadia> ... i think it's still listed as Firefox[20:56:57] <mnemo> ok install now..[20:57:03] <mnemo> is BeZilla based on Firefox or just on gecko ?[20:57:19] <mmadia> firefox 2.x[20:57:20] <eisenawesome> it's an unbranded firefox 2[20:57:52] <mmadia> the 3.x branch is no-go until someone implements a fully functional port of Cairo.[20:58:04] <mnemo> wow it works quite nicely[20:58:22] <mmadia> ... the script?[20:58:43] <eisenawesome> speaking of browsers[20:58:47] <mnemo> yea and the browser as well... I was prepared for much much worse when I booted into haiku today ;)[20:58:51] <mmadia> btw, it doesn't remove the zips from /tmp[20:58:51] <eisenawesome> what's the latest news on the webkit browser?[20:58:59] <mnemo> ok np[20:59:39] *** oco has joined #haiku[20:59:42] <mmadia> eisenawesome : there was a recent thread on one of the MLs, detailing some links[21:00:06] <eisenawesome> don't suppose you know whcich one?[21:00:13] <eisenawesome> I'm only subscribed to haiku-web atm[21:00:48] <mmadia> [haiku] the post was from today too http://www.freelists.org/archive/haiku[21:00:57] *** alexsuraci has quit IRC[21:01:02] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[21:01:04] <mnemo> one more question.. how can I create a link on the desktop to the terminal ?[21:01:26] *** HelfDS has quit IRC[21:01:31] <eisenawesome> awesome, thanks[21:01:51] *** miqlas has quit IRC[21:02:33] *** slaine_ has quit IRC[21:03:27] *** GeneralMaximus has quit IRC[21:04:20] <mnemo> oh, creating a symbolic link on the desktop was enough[21:06:08] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[21:06:59] *** Blub\0_ has joined #haiku[21:07:04] *** kallisti5 has joined #haiku[21:07:08] *** js__ has joined #haiku[21:07:12] *** drano has joined #haiku[21:07:25] *** js has quit IRC[21:07:26] *** kallisti6 has quit IRC[21:07:34] *** Blub\0 has quit IRC[21:07:35] *** drano_ has quit IRC[21:07:46] *** CIA-69 has quit IRC[21:07:54] *** CIA-45 has joined #haiku[21:10:25] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[21:10:50] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[21:11:11] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[21:11:16] *** kmargar is now known as markos_[21:15:49] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[21:15:55] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[21:18:31] *** brrant has quit IRC[21:25:56] *** The123king has quit IRC[21:27:00] *** prOSy has quit IRC[21:31:02] *** markos_ has quit IRC[21:40:17] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[21:42:46] *** The123king has joined #haiku[21:48:48] *** Kroki has joined #haiku[21:49:17] *** Kroki has quit IRC[21:52:42] *** fly-away has joined #haiku[21:54:48] *** gtaw has joined #haiku[21:56:25] *** xvedejas has joined #haiku[21:57:28] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[21:59:41] *** tqh has joined #haiku[21:59:45] *** ^kenhoob-it1 has quit IRC[22:00:36] *** kokito has left #haiku[22:01:06] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:01:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[22:03:35] *** dwiesciegigasruu has quit IRC[22:07:26] *** farhaven has quit IRC[22:08:48] *** markos_ has quit IRC[22:10:28] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[22:15:07] *** fhein has quit IRC[22:22:46] *** joshc_ has quit IRC[22:24:33] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:25:21] *** alexsuraci has joined #haiku[22:27:16] *** congocongo has quit IRC[22:30:49] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[22:31:03] *** ari2-free has quit IRC[22:34:13] *** markos_ has quit IRC[22:35:03] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[22:38:53] *** mnemo has quit IRC[22:39:29] *** phalax has quit IRC[22:43:21] *** jmayfield_ has joined #haiku[22:44:43] *** HaikUbuntu has quit IRC[22:45:04] *** philcostin has quit IRC[22:45:27] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[22:47:41] *** joeyadams has quit IRC[22:49:54] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[22:52:28] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:52:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[22:55:27] *** pulkomandy has quit IRC[22:57:48] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[22:59:33] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[23:01:24] *** jmayfield_ has quit IRC[23:02:06] *** jmayfield_ has joined #haiku[23:03:10] *** kmargar has joined #haiku[23:07:24] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[23:12:19] *** kmargar has quit IRC[23:12:26] *** js__ is now known as js[23:13:44] *** The123king has left #haiku[23:14:33] *** markos__ has joined #haiku[23:23:18] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[23:23:33] *** markos_ has quit IRC[23:23:34] *** markos__ is now known as markos_[23:30:16] *** glootech_ is now known as glootech[23:31:31] *** noisetonepause has quit IRC[23:33:18] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[23:33:26] <oco> Oh ! While we are working on R1, Microsoft is already promoting R2 ![23:33:30] <oco> https://www.r2haiku.com/[23:33:44] *** Barrett_ has joined #haiku[23:35:29] *** crash_ has quit IRC[23:35:41] *** Barrett has quit IRC[23:36:58] <mmu_man> aw[23:41:50] *** fyysik has quit IRC[23:41:55] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps Haiku, Inc. should sue for trademark infringement for the name ;)[23:42:11] * mmadia aint touching it :P[23:43:18] <JonathanThompson> What are you, chicken? :P[23:43:47] <JonathanThompson> (That'd be another way I can get onto their campus locally!)[23:47:12] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[23:47:36] <AlienSoldier> JonathanThompson better to wait for the product to have made millions and then ask for 50% of it[23:47:43] <oco> I have written a little haiku for them[23:48:38] <mmu_man> To push for Windows 7[23:48:42] <mmu_man> Enough poetry it lacked[23:48:45] <mmu_man> You're screwed[23:48:55] <oco> Here is mine : Write Haiku and win[23:48:57] <oco> Your next fast and small OS[23:48:59] <oco> Join haiku-os.org[23:49:02] <AlienSoldier> oco plus, onlu BeOS/Haiku is "people ready"[23:49:06] <AlienSoldier> *only[23:49:18] *** Heliodor has left #haiku[23:51:48] <oco> oh there is a vote too... Maybe we can let one promoting Haiku win the competition ;-)[23:55:50] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[23:59:49] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC