[00:00:05] <judgen> and now i have them too =)
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[00:03:43] <HeTo> judgen: what are the file names?
[00:03:51] <HeTo> and is it Zaranthos or Zathros?
[00:05:15] <judgen> HeTo, just search for girl
[00:05:42] <judgen> too bad the blue one wasnt there, but the others are.
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[00:06:28] <HeTo> thanks
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[00:43:48] <CIA-69> anevilyak * r34190 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/tracker/ (FavoritesMenu.cpp FavoritesMenu.h FilePanelPriv.cpp):
[00:43:48] <CIA-69> Pass the favorites menu a reference to the file panel's ref filter. This is
[00:43:48] <CIA-69> necessary since favorites are no longer constrained to only being folders, and
[00:43:48] <CIA-69> as such they need to likewise be constrained to only display supported types.
[00:43:49] <CIA-69> Fixes another part of #4916.
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[01:34:33] <CIA-69> stpere * r34191 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/diskprobe/DataView.cpp:
[01:34:33] <CIA-69> DiskProbe:
[01:34:33] <CIA-69> * The is_valid_utf8(..) is supposed to accept a terminating null byte
[01:34:33] <CIA-69> but was instead looking for a null byte as the first byte.
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[01:52:37] <CIA-69> stpere * r34192 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/diskprobe/DataView.cpp:
[01:52:37] <CIA-69> Diskprobe :
[01:52:37] <CIA-69> in is_valid_utf8() :
[01:52:37] <CIA-69> * Accept EOL/LF as part of a valid UTF8 string.
[01:52:37] <CIA-69> * This allow a string containing it to be copied to the clipboard.
[01:52:38] <CIA-69> * Fixing ticket #1453.
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[02:04:17] <CIA-69> stpere * r34193 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/diskprobe/DataView.cpp:
[02:04:17] <CIA-69> DiskProbe :
[02:04:17] <CIA-69> In is_valid_utf8():
[02:04:17] <CIA-69> * Also accept CR and TAB as valid chars to be copied in clipboard.
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[02:31:34] <mmadia> how do i create a symlink with `ln` ?
[02:31:47] <umccullough> ln -s
[02:32:04] <mmadia>  /tmp> ln -s /home/config/be/Applications /boot/apps/BePDF/BePDF
[02:32:04] <mmadia>  ln: creating symbolic link `/boot/apps/BePDF/BePDF': File or Directory already exists
[02:32:17] <mmadia>  /tmp> ln -s /boot/apps/BePDF/BePDF /home/config/be/Applications
[02:32:18] <mmadia>  ln: creating symbolic link `/home/config/be/Applications': No such file or directory
[02:32:32] <umccullough> first one, excpet you have to give a name for the link
[02:32:36] <farrioth> ln -sf
[02:33:14] * umccullough looks
[02:33:42] <HeTo> mmadia: /boot/home
[02:33:50] <mmadia> 2nd one + name for a link.
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[02:34:30] <umccullough> yeah, sorry, second one :)
[02:34:36] <umccullough> i always forget which order
[02:34:51] <farrioth> Same order as cp.
[02:34:58] <mmadia> thanks HeTo & umccullough ... my brain's crispy on the outside.
[02:35:00] <farrioth> (source target)
[02:35:28] <umccullough> ah, right, /home is wrong - i didn't notice that :P
[02:35:32] <umccullough> heh
[02:36:04] <umccullough> farrioth, yeah, still always confuses me for some stupid reason
[02:36:33] <umccullough> stupid ebay sellers
[02:36:38] <umccullough> i hate ebay
[02:36:41] <farrioth> It confused me for a while too, but remembering it's the same order as cp helped.
[02:37:10] <umccullough> i guess that makes sense since you can substitute cp for ln in most cases
[02:37:23] <umccullough> for example, when BeOS/Haiku don't support hardlinks ;)
[02:39:21] <ari2-free> looks like someone keeps up with the mailing lists :)
[02:40:42] <umccullough> i already knew there were no hardlinks - i've fixed plenty of makefiles in the last few years :P
[02:40:57] * umccullough hates when someone assumes the OS supports hardlinks
[02:41:40] <mmadia> woot!
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[02:42:51] <mmadia> optpkgman.sh  :  http://haiku.pastebin.com/m3b1ac08c    a crappy script to install an OptionalPackage & it's dependencies.
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[02:43:56] <mmadia> there's still a good deal to do,  i need to prevent a user from trying to install OP's that require either the source tree or the freshly built objects.
[02:45:06] <mmadia> but, it'll allow a person to install OP's that are specific to the revision of trunk you're running.
[02:46:17] <mmadia> it doesn't update AboutSystem,  at least not yet.
[02:48:23] <umccullough> oh, it checks the rev from uname?
[02:48:46] <umccullough> can you lie and tell it another rev?
[02:49:21] <mmadia> i may add an option for that & to use current trunk.
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[02:49:44] <umccullough> what about the alpha branch?
[02:49:52] <umccullough> or, is that less important
[02:50:04] <umccullough> i guess it probably doesn't matter
[02:50:18] <mmadia> screw it.  if they're on the alpha branch, then they should be using a full feature install.
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[02:50:42] <mmadia> esp as the @nightly-* didn't exist at that point.
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[03:00:01] <mmadia> and that script doesn't actually call /tmp/install-optpkg.sh  :)
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[03:12:29] <kokito> hello folks
[03:12:52] <eisenawesome> hello
[03:15:01] <kokito> so, what's new?
[03:15:34] <JonathanThompson> An important keyword in the C++ language, amongst others ;)
[03:17:04] * kokito wonders what the heck  is?
[03:17:26] <kokito> hey JonathanThompson :)
[03:17:32] <JonathanThompson> Hi kokito
[03:17:52] <JonathanThompson> Nothing more fun than (to the typical non-developer) using esoteric humor :)
[03:18:13] <JonathanThompson> Though, I'd think you'd qualify as atypical ;)
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[03:19:15] <NetLife> what's the difference between gcc4hybrid and gcc2hybrid?
[03:19:24] <JonathanThompson> 2
[03:19:41] <NetLife> is it the gcc version?
[03:19:47] <JonathanThompson> Yes.
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[03:19:55] <Nozy> hi all
[03:20:31] <mmadia> in gcc4hybrid, Haiku is compiled with gcc4. gcc2 compatibility libs are provided.   vice versa for gcc2hybrid.
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[03:20:53] <JonathanThompson> IIRC the version for 2 has the libs and total system built using 2.x, and 4.x compatibility libs, and version 4 has it defaulting to gcc 4.x system with 2.x compatibility libs.
[03:20:55] <mmadia> to note: gcc2hybrid is currently the official release style and has the best support.
[03:21:10] <JonathanThompson> Is that a correct statement I made, mmadia ?
[03:21:30] <mmadia> yep
[03:21:39] <NetLife> ok, so I filed that bug, I don't remember who I was talking to yesterday
[03:21:46] <JonathanThompson> Good to know I didn't unintentionally mislead anyone :P
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[03:21:59] <NetLife> but is it worth trying gcc4hybrid or no
[03:22:19] * JonathanThompson poits andrewbachmann in greetings
[03:22:45] <NetLife> or is it possible I copied th image incorrectly
[03:22:55] <andrewbachmann> hey JT, anybody else here have a problem running Haiku native where it just runs like molasses?
[03:23:04] <NetLife> here's link to the bug report: http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/5018
[03:23:08] <JonathanThompson> That's always possible, NetLife :P
[03:23:39] <JonathanThompson> andrewbachmann: I've not built or run Haiku since before VM was remotely as functional as it is now, with swapfile support.
[03:23:44] <JonathanThompson> I can't answer that.
[03:23:55] <JonathanThompson> Not sure if anyone else has mentioned it in here.
[03:24:03] <JonathanThompson> However, perhaps a related issue is due to interrupts.
[03:24:11] <andrewbachmann> I sort of have this notion that it's related to usb
[03:24:17] <andrewbachmann> ooo, interrupts sound more likely
[03:24:20] <JonathanThompson> Interrupt routing, and things not being handled correctly for that from the BIOS.
[03:24:34] <andrewbachmann> although I didn't notice anything in the bios related to that, unfortunately
[03:24:42] <JonathanThompson> Are you still in Silicon Valley, andrewbachmann ?
[03:24:47] <andrewbachmann> I tried turning off a bunch of things that might be related to that
[03:24:49] <andrewbachmann> yes I am JT
[03:25:03] <JonathanThompson> I may be able to have lunch/dinner with you again soon ;)
[03:25:05] <andrewbachmann> I turned pretty much everything off actually and it didn't help or hurt
[03:25:50] <andrewbachmann> as another possibly unrelated issue, I can't seem to boot from GRUB
[03:26:00] <JonathanThompson> Interesting.
[03:26:38] <JonathanThompson> I think there's been some stuff related to boot partitioning tables I've seene mentioned in commit messages.
[03:27:12] <andrewbachmann> hmm I am pretty new on the sources
[03:27:14] <andrewbachmann> guess I can update
[03:27:40] <JonathanThompson> Of course, I've lost track of the time relationship I read those things :)
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[03:30:49] <kokito> andrewbachmann: happens to me here and it seems to be related to interrupts
[03:31:22] <kokito> JonathanThompson: coming to the Bay Area?
[03:31:50] <JonathanThompson> Could be, kokito, not fully determined yet.
[03:32:02] <JonathanThompson> Doesn't seem to be outside the realm of probability right now.
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[03:35:18] * JonathanThompson isn't sure just what he'd do living in a place that doesn't have distinct seasons
[03:36:58] <andrewbachmann> any workaround kokito?  I'm willing to give up accelerated video, audio, etc.
[03:37:05] * andrewbachmann goes to dinner, bbiab
[03:37:27] <NetLife> I'm wondering if I use a different raw image (like a nightly build) should I still use 1M bite size for dd?
[03:39:01] <kokito> andrewbachmann: not that I know of
[03:39:35] <kirilla> NetLife: likely yes. The images are likely to be all made with a size that is a multiple of 1MB
[03:42:09] <kokito> andrewbachmann: hola kirilla
[03:42:15] <NetLife> I see thanks
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[03:42:23] <kirilla> np NetLife
[03:42:27] <kirilla> hi kokito
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[03:42:31] <kirilla> :)
[03:42:39] <kirilla> and andrew ofc
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[03:44:45] <kirilla> time to zzz
[03:44:50] <kirilla> night everyone!
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[03:48:48] <kokito> good night kirilla!
[03:48:54] <umccullough> andrewbachmann, what network chip?
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[03:51:10] <umccullough> and FWIW, right now I have a machine that has severe PS2 mouse issues - input_server sucks up an entire on occasion when i move the mouse around in circles
[03:51:18] <umccullough> R1/Alpha1 didn't cause that issue, so it's something new
[03:51:32] <umccullough> *entire core
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[03:54:14] <CIA-69> stpere * r34194 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/showimage/ShowImageWindow.cpp:
[03:54:14] <CIA-69> ShowImage :
[03:54:14] <CIA-69> * Changing pictures using the arrow keys while being in a picture folder in tracker would quit the
[03:54:14] <CIA-69> fullscreen mode (if you happen to be in that mode) because it tries to resize the window to fit
[03:54:14] <CIA-69> the new picture.
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[04:17:41] <Nozy> The following channels exist to aid non-english speakers.
[04:17:41] <Nozy> #haiku-au IRC Channel (Australian)  we do speak english =) not will may be but we do sure this is not needed
[04:18:15] <Nozy> .... sorry better saying hi 1st
[04:20:57] <andrewbachmann> umccullough: I'm not sure about the network but I disabled both the NIC and wireless in the BIOS with no effect
[04:21:18] <eisenawesome> silly aussies
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[04:21:24] <eisenawesome> they think they speak english
[04:21:40] <eisenawesome> they're all "oi wot wot let's get a slab of VB and go on a bender. KOALAS!"
[04:22:57] <Nozy> LOL
[04:23:20] <kokito> Nozy: where did you see that?
[04:23:32] <Nozy> wish it was like that
[04:23:51] <Nozy> kokito: http://www.haiku-os.org/community/irc
[04:24:18] <Nozy> have it open no one in it but me
[04:28:36] <kokito> fixed Nozy
[04:28:51] <Nozy> =)
[04:38:38] <eisenawesome> I still see it
[04:39:27] <eisenawesome> oh, i see
[04:42:26] <Nozy> are the install notes on the site ok ?
[04:42:53] <Nozy> 1st time I have tryed to install
[04:44:51] <Nozy> does not boot right with out the cd did I miss something ?
[04:45:25] <Nozy> this is all that is on the system
[04:45:27] <kokito> the install CD does not boot?
[04:46:30] <Nozy> at the start yes ( video mode was not right ) after the install just a black screen
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[04:47:08] <kokito> try safe video mode
[04:48:23] <kokito> select "Use fail-safe video mode" from boot loader: http://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/bootloader.html
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[04:48:44] <Nozy> yep that worked with the cd and I install it on the next reboot I get a black screen no splash
[04:49:07] <Nozy> cool looking over doc's 2 sec thanks
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[05:05:33] <Nozy> Haiku does install a boot loarder yes ?
[05:05:41] <Nozy> I do have to make it make one ?
[05:07:28] <basisbit_sleepin> it installs a bootloader during the main installation
[05:07:56] <Nozy> hmm ok
[05:08:19] <Nozy> I retry just to make sure
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[05:23:02] <kokito> Nozy, Installation Guide, for your reference: http://www.haiku-os.org/get-haiku/installation-guide
[05:24:26] <Nozy> yep this is the 1 I followed
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[05:36:20] <Nozy> haiku can work on a AMD
[05:36:32] <kokito> should work
[05:36:36] <kokito> anyway, dinner time here
[05:36:43] <kokito> good night all!
[05:36:50] <Nozy> night
[05:36:56] <kokito> good luck Nozy
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[05:37:17] <OmniMancer> I have run haiku on an AMD athlon xp
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[05:41:18] <Nozy> hmm HP compaq nx 6125  client was going to bin it coz he dam kides hit the screen  ( ext screen works ok ) think this may be a good haiku system =)
[05:44:03] <Nozy> ok I reinstall may be lookat the froms see what's going on ( after booting of cd suing the system disk I got  Panic:fatal exception "Stack Fault Exception" occurred ! error cdoe: 0x0
[05:44:03] <Nozy> Welcome to kernel debugging land  ( sound like fun )
[05:44:03] <Nozy> hread 61 "picasso" running on cpu0
[05:44:03] <Nozy> debug >
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[05:45:00] <Nozy> I can see me have some fun with this =)
[05:53:23] <saivert> you will never have fun with that
[05:53:25] <saivert> don't kid yourself
[05:56:44] <Nozy> funny thing is the live cd did boot
[05:56:56] <Nozy> after I fix the video error
[05:57:08] <eisenawesome> you could be a cool kid
[05:57:15] <eisenawesome> and build it yourself
[05:57:17] <eisenawesome> :P
[05:57:49] <Nozy> sure I'm not that good
[05:58:03] <eisenawesome> it's not exactly hard
[05:58:16] <eisenawesome> two configures and a jam
[05:58:58] <Nozy> ok I'm up for it
[05:59:28] <Nozy> just have this notebook for Haiku only
[06:00:38] <eisenawesome> does it have a cd drive?
[06:01:27] <Nozy> yep
[06:01:35] <eisenawesome> http://svn.haiku-os.org/haiku/haiku/trunk/docs/userguide/en/installation/install-source-linux.html
[06:01:39] <eisenawesome> that guide should work
[06:01:47] <Nozy> cool thanks
[06:01:51] <eisenawesome> download the puppy iso and build from there
[06:02:13] <Nozy> have that cool
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[06:05:11] <Nozy> OK worked on a reinstall
[06:06:10] <eisenawesome> heh
[06:07:51] <Nozy> I used the full disk as raw as this has not data on it at all
[06:07:56] <Nozy> and it work on boot
[06:08:05] <Nozy> still have the screen boot error
[06:08:09] <Nozy> but I can fix this
[06:10:22] <Qeos> morning
[06:10:27] <Nozy> that was  has no data on it at all
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[06:34:37] <DraX> ough
[06:46:46] <judgen> Wich one is faster for virtualizing haiku? Vbox or vmware?
[06:47:53] <eisenawesome> vbox and haiku don't go together too well
[06:48:02] <eisenawesome> I would do vmware or qemu
[06:48:25] <judgen> eisenawesome, only problem is that vmware is very strange in karmic for some reason.
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[06:57:46] <DHowett> I can't get Haiku to boot from a flash drive with rEFIt, so i'm currently fetching a CD image :>
[06:59:47] <DHowett> (it just boots through to my GRUB partition, oddly enough)
[07:12:58] <MrSunshine_> DHowett back? :)
[07:13:05] <MrSunshine_> werent you the one working on hpet ?
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[07:14:23] <DHowett> MrSunshine_: briefly, but ran into ACPI problems (though i do believe they can be assuaged)
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[07:21:29] <DraX> i don't have any problem with vbox
[07:21:31] <DraX> works pretty nicely
[07:21:57] <DHowett> works nicely unless you want to run natively :P
[07:21:58] <DHowett> :>
[07:22:23] <judgen> DHowett, ofcourse i want to run native.. but i have too strange hardware i guess.
[07:22:49] <DHowett> i'v egot some pretty bizarre hardware that i'm trying to run Haiku on
[07:22:50] <DHowett> :(
[07:22:58] <DHowett> by "Bizarre" i mean "Apple"
[07:23:03] <judgen> rtl8111 nic, and gf8 with a screen that is only readble with widescreen resolutions.
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[07:46:52] <grim> just got my haiku vm up and running... and i seem to have gcc and autotools but no intltool... any hints?
[07:47:29] <eisenawesome> I'm guessing you can build it
[07:47:44] <grim> yeah, was hoping to avoid that ;)
[07:48:02] <grim> i found an irc log that mentioned adding the developer optional package.. but i think thats at install time
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[07:54:59] <grim> and now cpan is going at XML::Simple, yay!  see this is why i wanted to avoid building it :)
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[08:09:14] <DHowett> Haiku is currently running (off CD) on my 27" iMac. Awesome.
[08:10:01] <eisenawesome> and hows it doing driving that monitor?
[08:10:07] <DHowett> wireless mouse and keyboard working perfectly but i believe that's something that the hardware does magically
[08:10:35] <DHowett> eisenawesome: Not at native res, though i could probably put it in failsafe VESA at 1920x1200
[08:10:45] <DHowett> (it's a 2560x1440 panel)
[08:10:52] <eisenawesome> :(
[08:10:54] <eisenawesome> lucky
[08:11:03] * eisenawesome feels inadequate at 1920x1080
[08:11:08] <DHowett> 1600x1200 is all it'll do
[08:11:09] <DHowett> :(
[08:11:27] <eisenawesome> it is possible to get higher
[08:11:33] <eisenawesome> but you need a supported video card
[08:11:35] <DHowett> right
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[08:11:51] <DHowett> ATI Radeon HD 4850 (Mobility/M98).. no love from haiku :(
[08:12:04] <eisenawesome> yeah
[08:12:23] <eisenawesome> take it out and put an older radeon in and you'll be set
[08:12:25] <eisenawesome> :P
[08:12:30] <DHowett> hehe
[08:12:36] <DHowett> "Oh wait, it's a imac. whoops." :P
[08:12:42] <eisenawesome> lol
[08:12:47] <MrSunshine__> yeah .. its just a screwdriver, pop that chip out of the mobo and replace it with the one from the slot card
[08:12:50] <eisenawesome> eh, jimmy the sucker open
[08:12:50] <MrSunshine__> easy fix
[08:13:03] <DHowett> i had to mess with the nvidia driver for native res on my laptop.. actually worked for some time!
[08:13:05] <DHowett> hah
[08:13:14] <DHowett> the video card actually is modular in this thing, but *shrugs*
[08:14:51] <DHowett> if i didn't have to boot it from CD I would experiment with changing out modules
[08:15:09] <eisenawesome> can't boot from usb?
[08:15:42] <DHowett> eisenawesome: not with rEFIt :(
[08:15:57] <eisenawesome> lame
[08:15:59] <DHowett> yeah
[08:16:06] <DHowett> it boots from the GRUB installation at hd0,4
[08:16:09] <DHowett> er, hd0,3
[08:16:12] <DHowett> for some reason
[08:16:30] <DHowett> though maybe I could use the boot menu to select the USB volume
[08:16:34] <DHowett> (from the CD)
[08:18:26] <grim> so correct me if i'm wrong, but theres no package manager right now right?
[08:18:35] <grim> i'm running into hell with cpan, and would like to get out of it ;)
[08:18:41] <eisenawesome> correct
[08:20:00] <DHowett> meh, what's the screenshot key again?
[08:20:00] <DHowett> :P
[08:20:20] <eisenawesome> on a mac? no clue
[08:20:28] <eisenawesome> on a normal keyboard, print screen
[08:20:28] <DHowett> in haiku
[08:20:28] <DHowett> :)
[08:20:29] <eisenawesome> :P
[08:20:30] <DHowett> meh
[08:20:38] <DHowett> This keyboard !has that many keys
[08:20:39] <DHowett> :(
[08:20:45] <eisenawesome> fail
[08:21:13] <grim> damn, can't build XML::Parser in CPAN = no testing of my code under haiku...
[08:21:37] <eisenawesome> you're not trying hard enough
[08:21:45] <eisenawesome> and you probably forgot to sacrifice a goat
[08:22:06] <grim> indeed
[08:22:34] <grim> but XML::SAX:Expat is complaining that XML::Parser isn't new enough but they depend on each other, and some other crap, so yeah screw it
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[08:23:04] <DHowett> there's a screenshot app. hah.
[08:25:39] <DHowett> http://drop.howett.net/F4/haiku_imac.png
[08:26:56] <DHowett> I forgot the obligatory About This System shot :(
[08:28:05] <MrSunshine__> DHowett, 8 core cpu ? :)
[08:28:19] <DHowett> MrSunshine__: 4 with hyperthreading.. it's cheating ;)
[08:29:43] <DHowett> I don't think I'd have much luck with the radeon driver anyway
[08:29:59] <DHowett> X11's radeon and radeonhd drivers immediately segfault and radeonhd can't detect the screen
[08:38:01] <Nozy> eisenawesome: this is funny hp working ok now it only playing up with the 2nd screen
[08:38:21] <Nozy> hell know how long this screen going to go for
[08:38:47] <eisenawesome> which screen?
[08:41:29] <Nozy> laptop screen is now working ( this is why it was going to the bin ) and the ext screen was what I was using. Hell know why but the laptop screen is working and haiku is happy
[08:42:43] <eisenawesome> oh, lol
[08:43:14] <Nozy> =) so looks like haiku work on a hp nx 6125
[08:43:59] <Nozy> now let see how network is going after I install it =)
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[09:02:07] <CIA-69> scottmc * r512 /haikuports/trunk/ (48 files in 37 dirs): Initial .OptionalPackageDescription files for many of the Haiku Optional Packages, and a few license files.
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[09:24:05] <Nozy> shit she boot fast
[09:24:18] <DraX> indeed
[09:24:54] <Nozy> like this notebook had xp and 5400 rpm drive
[09:25:05] <Nozy> but dam this is fast
[09:25:11] <m0ns00n> Hmm, does nobody work on the actual Alpha 2 tickets?
[09:25:16] <m0ns00n> Seems to me that the same bugs are there for weeks
[09:25:23] <m0ns00n> No new bugs assigned
[09:39:49] <Nozy> how do I set the system to boot in 1 screen mode ?
[09:40:14] <eisenawesome> you have to sacrifice a tiger to the sung god, ra
[09:40:19] <eisenawesome> *sun
[09:40:29] <eisenawesome> then the instructions will come to you in a vision
[09:40:48] <Nozy> cool
[09:41:27] <Nozy> wow this is fast
[09:41:40] <Nozy> think I have forgot how system did run
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[09:58:44] <CIA-69> scottmc * r513 /haikuports/trunk/dev-util/subversion/ (patches patches/subversion-1.6.6.patch subversion-1.6.6.bep): Initial .bep file for subversion-1.6.6, added patches directory
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[10:12:19] <CIA-69> scottmc * r514 /haikuports/trunk/dev-util/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Moved cvs patch to patches directory, adding in .bep files for cvs and git, allow both are currently broken, and will need some more testing to get working correctly. Marked as broken.
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[10:25:21] <CIA-69> scottmc * r515 /haikuports/trunk/dev-libs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed license name in openssl.opd file, move libiconv.opd to right directory.
[10:33:27] <CIA-69> scottmc * r516 /haikuports/trunk/dev-cpp/clucene/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Fixed the license name to match the naming used on APR and APR-util, perhaps this one should be added into Haiku, it's used on at least 3 OptionalPackages now.
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[11:30:57] <NetLife> is there someone here that may be able to answer a question?
[11:31:26] <NetLife> I know it's late...
[11:32:35] <Teknomancer> NetLife: depends on the question, there's no such thing as late on irc ;)
[11:33:22] <NetLife> well I finally got a haiku image to boot
[11:33:43] <NetLife> but I have a 2G usb the image is only 450 mb or so
[11:34:05] <NetLife> but I can't add stuff to the usb up to 450mb where is the rest of it?
[11:35:11] <NetLife> when I boot it says there is only about 500mb in the disk
[11:35:23] <NetLife> even though it's 2G flash drive
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[11:56:23] <Lacey> http://www.mattlacey.com/UserBuildConfig.txt
[11:56:42] <Lacey> with Development in there... I should have gcc when I run Haiku right ?
[12:00:20] <m0ns00n> Lacey, The development channel might be of assistance to you
[12:00:26] <m0ns00n> join #haiku-dev for that
[12:00:33] <Lacey> ah cool
[12:00:40] <Lacey> didn't know there was a seperate dev channel :)
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[13:18:22] <CIA-69> dlmcpaul * r34195 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/media/plugins/mp3_reader/ (MP3ReaderPlugin.cpp MP3ReaderPlugin.h): Add support for VBRI header, remove duplicated code, always print error messages
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[13:52:30] <Nozy> hi all
[13:52:38] <Nozy> ok this is kill more
[13:52:40] <Nozy> me
[13:52:45] <Nozy> I have add snow
[13:52:54] <Nozy> and I can't remove it
[13:53:10] <Nozy> sure it like a 2 sec fix
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[15:18:57] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34196 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/main.cpp:
[15:18:57] <CIA-69> Since r33809 dprintf() acquires a mutex when called with interrupts enabled.
[15:18:57] <CIA-69> This is something must must not do in an idle thread or we get the scheduler
[15:18:57] <CIA-69> into trouble.
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[16:05:58] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34197 /haiku/trunk/ (8 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[16:05:58] <CIA-69> * Added a set_mtrrs() hook to x86_cpu_module_info, which is supposed to set
[16:05:58] <CIA-69> all MTRRs at once.
[16:05:58] <CIA-69> * Added a respective x86_set_mtrrs() kernel function.
[16:05:58] <CIA-69> * x86 CPU module:
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[16:17:36] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34198 /haiku/trunk/data/system/data/licenses/Apache v2: Added Apache 2.0 license.
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[16:38:12] <k8> oh it's soooo much better in 1680x1050
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[16:52:42] <k8> has anyone had luck with VMWare shared folders?
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[16:56:01] <mmu_man> k8 never tried, hardly used vmware
[16:56:13] <Lelldorin1> hi all
[16:56:17] <mmu_man> is it like QEMU's FAT virtual disk mapped from the host fs ?
[16:56:24] <mmu_man> or SMB maybe ?
[17:00:45] <k8> hmm.
[17:00:52] <k8> I'm not sure what protocol it uses.
[17:01:08] <k8> On other OS' it's pretty transparent to the user, the filesystem just shows up.
[17:01:35] <k8> I may try to compile vmware tools for the Haiku image
[17:04:07] <Teknomancer> if it's anything like VBox's SF, it's a pseudo fs on the guest that communicates throuhg the host via the vPCI device
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[17:06:14] <umccullough> iirc, vmware's shared folders is some kind of proprietary memory-based thing
[17:06:42] <umccullough> i'm not even sure what the guest driver looks like
[17:06:57] <k8> okies.
[17:06:58] <umccullough> but IIRC, on windows, it shows up similar to "My Documents"
[17:07:07] <umccullough> so, something very custom i guess
[17:07:25] <k8> Well, I just wanted to enable drag/drop from the VM so I can put files into or remove them from Haiku
[17:07:45] <k8> I can always scp.
[17:08:01] <umccullough> haiku comes with sshd running by default :)
[17:08:43] <umccullough> I'll play with the shared folders thing today and see how it works - is it just a drag-n-drop handler?
[17:08:51] <umccullough> we run a few VMs at work
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[18:14:34] <Teknomancer> anyone knows why http://www.haikuware.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=100094&func=showdown&id=74&lang=en (the download link) doesn't work?
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[18:17:08] <eisenawesome> because the file isn't there
[18:17:16] <eisenawesome> 404 errors aren't exactly hard to understand
[18:19:04] <Teknomancer> i know the file isn't there, i was wondering if anyone here is in charge of haikuware or the publisher of Senryu to fix it
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[18:28:20] <mmadia> Teknomancer : you can try dropping Karl a line.
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[18:31:47] <Teknomancer> will try tomorrow, going home in a few min. :) thanks
[18:32:19] <prOSy> Teknomancer: afaik Senryu isn#t continued since alpha1
[18:32:32] <prOSy> ohh sorry
[18:32:43] <prOSy> seems that i'm wrong
[18:33:02] <prOSy> ohh no
[18:33:02] <Teknomancer> prOSy: was just wondering if beezer runs on latest haiku without crashing
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[18:33:28] <prOSy> "...
[18:33:28] <prOSy>
[18:33:29] <prOSy>  It contains the Haiku OS (r31445)
[18:33:32] <prOSy> ..."
[18:33:59] <prOSy> so, since then it seems to be not updated anymore
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[18:35:15] <prOSy> maybe Senryu collided with the Haiku Distro Guidelines
[18:35:57] <Teknomancer> ah
[18:36:07] <Teknomancer> thanks for the info. prOSy
[18:36:55] <prOSy> nP
[18:45:27] <mmadia> iirc, there's be a thread at haikuware, mentioning karl's choice to stop it.    *looks for it*
[18:46:56] <mmadia> maybe the last post at http://www.haikuware.com/15-senryu/571-new-senryu-bootable-cd/Page-11/Page-11  ?
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[18:50:20] <GeneralMaximus> hi :)
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[20:34:44] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34199 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[20:34:44] <CIA-69> * Added -j<n> option to configure. It is passed to the
[20:34:44] <CIA-69> build_cross_tools[_gcc4] script which in turn passes it to make. Cores and
[20:34:44] <CIA-69> hyperthreads are plentiful these days; no need to let most of them idle when
[20:34:44] <CIA-69> building the cross tools.
[20:34:45] <CIA-69> * Sorted the configure options alphabetically again.
[20:35:06] <mmadia> ooooh
[20:35:44] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34200 /haiku/trunk/src/build/libroot/fs_attr_untyped.cpp: Fixed warning when building with 64 bit compiler.
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[20:39:09] <eisenawesome> awesome @34199
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[20:46:23] <luroh> hmm, i've had problems with anything but -j1 in the past
[20:46:34] <luroh> problems, as in b0rked binaries
[20:47:01] <mmadia> with make or jam, luroh?
[20:47:14] <luroh> jam
[20:48:13] <mmadia> with or without --use-xattr?
[20:49:22] <luroh> that's without --use-xattr
[20:49:38] <luroh> perhaps i misread that commit comment, it looks like it is related to make
[20:50:06] <luroh> or configure, i shold say
[20:50:08] <luroh> should*
[20:50:51] <luroh> but yeah, anything but jam -j1 i consider unreliable
[20:51:18] <eisenawesome> I usually stick with j2, but I know people who do j8 with no problems
[20:51:49] <luroh> yeah
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[20:52:02] <mmadia> when cross compiling on UFS2 with xattr,  bash tends to fail with >j1
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[20:52:25] <helf> anyone here have a socket 603/604 xeon box?
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[20:53:41] <luroh> it's not that >j2 binaries always fail for me, it's more subtle than that
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[20:54:11] <luroh> i also read somewhere a long time ago that it was a known problem
[20:54:25] <luroh> an email from ingo, i think it was
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[21:16:41] <stotish> hi , ALL!
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[21:20:36] <AlienSoldier> hi
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[21:21:12] <TLF> hello
[21:21:20] <TLF> it's haiku supposed to run most BeOS apps?
[21:21:25] <eisenawesome> r5 apps
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[21:21:33] <eisenawesome> but yeah
[21:21:38] <TLF> I see
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[21:21:58] <TLF> and what will happen when a x64 haiku it's developed?
[21:22:14] <JonathanThompson> As long as it's the available common userspace APIs that are well-documented for BeOS, it should, TLF.
[21:22:15] <AlienSoldier> TLF i don't know, perhaps fatbinary
[21:22:17] <eisenawesome> after haiku r1, beos r5 compatibility is being dropped
[21:22:35] <JonathanThompson> Chances are there will be a *MAJOR* SDK change.
[21:22:38] <eisenawesome> and there's no compatibility on non-x86 architectures
[21:22:44] <JonathanThompson> Above and beyond merely going to 64 bits.
[21:22:49] <TLF> JonathanThompson: thanks
[21:22:58] <JonathanThompson> np
[21:22:59] <TLF> eisenawesome: oh, why? :(
[21:23:30] <JonathanThompson> You'll still be able to run older stuff, but new stuff won't be added to the existing API as it is now.
[21:23:42] <JonathanThompson> And chances are no real bug fixes beyond a certain point for the same reason.
[21:23:56] <JonathanThompson> And... the API is likely to be (hopefully!) greatly improved.
[21:24:26] <JonathanThompson> I've heard rumblings of moving over to an MVC pattern for the GUI stuff.
[21:24:29] <eisenawesome> well, most programs don't work cross-architecture
[21:24:42] <TLF> but won't you create some sort of emulation?
[21:24:49] <TLF> like "XP mode" in W7 or so?
[21:24:49] <AlienSoldier> MVC?
[21:24:58] <eisenawesome> um
[21:24:58] <eisenawesome> you could
[21:25:08] <JonathanThompson> At  least for a 32-bit version, there'll be the old libs, I'm sure.
[21:25:10] <eisenawesome> but it would be easier to just port qemu
[21:25:20] <TLF> I see, JonathanThompson
[21:25:25] <TLF> eisenawesome: oh :)
[21:25:34] <JonathanThompson> But, I don't have the official word: nobody does at this point ;)
[21:26:52] <AlienSoldier> personally i don't have problem with droping legacy stuff.  BeOS concept was statling from a clean slate.  So, if the API change make re-coding an app trivial, then i am all for burning the legacy bridge.
[21:27:01] <AlienSoldier> *starting
[21:27:24] <TLF> and there is some webpage with new Haiku apps?
[21:27:37] <JonathanThompson> I'm firmly of the belief that a separate thread for each GUI window should be as easy to do as possible, but it should not be absolutely forced on developers.
[21:27:39] <eisenawesome> haikuware
[21:27:44] <JonathanThompson> .com
[21:27:57] <AlienSoldier> and haikufire
[21:28:01] <AlienSoldier> .com
[21:28:02] <AlienSoldier> :)
[21:28:07] <TLF> thanks :)
[21:28:27] <AlienSoldier> there is also still link on bebits, but it's mixed with R5 stuff
[21:29:18] <TLF> yeah
[21:29:43] <TLF> what I liked about BeOS was that it was the multimedia OS like Mac, I hope there are still new Multimedia Apps
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[21:32:18] <Yaroze> TLF: when was Mac OS ever a multimedia OS? ;)
[21:32:31] <TLF> haha
[21:32:43] <TLF> well, at least many people like it's Music, Video and Image apps
[21:32:59] <JonathanThompson> QuickTime came out for Mac first ;)
[21:33:48] <kirilla> meltimudia
[21:34:09] <Yaroze> JonathanThompson: you mean infected first :)
[21:34:11] <AlienSoldier> amiga OS was the first
[21:34:32] <JonathanThompson> Well, there always has to be a patient zero ;)
[21:34:42] <TLF> mmm
[21:34:44] <AlienSoldier> beos was the multimedia OS but not the multimedia system
[21:34:47] <eisenawesome> Shit, haiku has caught the contagion
[21:34:54] <eisenawesome> BURN THE CORPSE, BURN THE CORPSE
[21:35:03] <eisenawesome> cd haiku-source
[21:35:04] <TLF> but Amiga OS today it qas very far of what was in the 80s
[21:35:07] <eisenawesome> rm -rf *
[21:35:16] <TLF> not to mention AROS, that lives of UAE apps
[21:35:21] <michaelvo> Haiku needs a lot more effort on media_server to be the multimedia os
[21:35:37] <helf> haiku needs to not be alpha to be a multimedia OS :P
[21:35:42] <Yaroze> TLF: OS4 runs pretty well here :)
[21:35:44] <michaelvo> hahahaha
[21:35:48] <michaelvo> I agree
[21:36:10] <kirilla> tildeamumi
[21:36:21] <AlienSoldier> anyone saw the video app axel and stippi are working on?
[21:36:50] <helf> nope
[21:37:17] <michaelvo> no.. where you saw this AlienSoldier?
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[21:37:42] <AlienSoldier> michaelvo they were working for a company that develop somthing in the genre
[21:37:45] <TLF> Yaroze: PPC?
[21:37:57] <michaelvo> huuum
[21:37:59] <AlienSoldier> i forgot how the project was named
[21:38:02] <prOSy> clockwerk?
[21:38:10] <AlienSoldier> yes, something like that
[21:38:15] <Yaroze> TLF: yeh
[21:38:26] <michaelvo> talking about it
[21:38:40] <michaelvo> there is a refraction port to haiku?
[21:38:54] <prOSy> michaelvo: no
[21:38:58] <TLF> mmmm, daily builds do not include bebrowser :(
[21:39:18] <prOSy> magnussoft seems to be the owner of Refraction code
[21:39:18] <eisenawesome> build it yourself
[21:39:19] <prOSy> sadly
[21:39:42] <michaelvo> :( and with zeta.. refraction is gone
[21:39:45] <kirilla> prOSy:  I ordered a Gigabyte mobo :)
[21:39:49] <prOSy> so, what i fear: the code is lost forever...
[21:39:56] <prOSy> kirilla: good one!
[21:40:01] <prOSy> ;-)
[21:40:07] <kirilla> :)
[21:40:37] <kirilla> one gigabyte mobos ;)
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[21:43:28] <helf> I just ordered 4 1tb hdds :)
[21:43:39] <helf> I finally had the money, figured I'd best buy them now before I ran out again
[21:43:45] <kirilla> heh
[21:44:08] <helf> I scored a pci-x raid6 sata controller with 256MB ddr333 cache for dirt last week
[21:44:10] <kirilla> you're making a backup of the internet?
[21:44:24] <helf> a raid-6 storage system for me :P
[21:44:27] <helf> im sick of losing data
[21:44:39] <helf> ill have 2tb of protected storage
[21:44:44] <kirilla> I hear 3ware are really good
[21:44:52] <helf> Mine is a NIB Areca
[21:45:36] <helf> found a recycler that had several brand new ones for sale. he took $135 shipped :) They still retail for $300
[21:45:56] <kirilla> sweet
[21:46:55] <helf> yeah, I'm happy. I have data scattered around on a 500gb drive, 300gb, about 8 40gb ides, 4 20gb ides... its a mess
[21:47:24] <AlienSoldier> helf what happned about your car spending?  All seem to go to computers lately :P
[21:47:36] <kirilla> me wonders if one could make a massive raid thing.. from truckload of hand-out usb sticks and some ram.. ;)
[21:47:38] <helf> AlienSoldier, I put a new transmission in it
[21:47:40] <helf> and had engine work done
[21:47:56] <helf> kirilla, that would be slow :P
[21:48:03] <AlienSoldier> so, you are now rich, as you can spend on both
[21:48:17] <helf> AlienSoldier, nope. sold some more computer gear
[21:48:24] <kirilla> helf: striping hundreds of sticks :-) jk
[21:48:28] <helf> AlienSoldier, been selling off most of my old stuff to build up my newer machine
[21:48:39] <helf> kirilla, lol, that would be a fun experiment ;)
[21:49:02] <kirilla> usb porcupine
[21:50:16] <helf> kirilla, http://www.wrightthisway.com/Articles/000154.html
[21:50:37] <helf> AlienSoldier, I've not actually spent all that much. I've been watching for cheap stuff to show up
[21:50:41] <kirilla> hehe
[21:50:44] <helf> and spreading it out amongst paychecks
[21:51:50] <AlienSoldier> i badly need a new monitor, can't make my mind on what to get.
[21:52:16] <helf> kirilla, http://ohlssonvox.8k.com/fdd_raid.htm
[21:52:21] <eisenawesome> my asus is super nice
[21:52:28] <helf> AlienSoldier, LCD?
[21:52:37] <helf> whatever you do, don't buy a ViewSonic
[21:52:48] <helf> We have been plagued at work with failing backlights
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[21:52:58] <helf> my LG has lasted forever
[21:53:01] <AlienSoldier> i was hoping for one that have all existing conenctor ever
[21:53:04] <AlienSoldier> made
[21:53:07] <helf> ha
[21:53:10] <eisenawesome> well
[21:53:17] <eisenawesome> vga/dvi/hdmi is fairly standard
[21:53:26] <eisenawesome> displayport wouldn't be that hard
[21:53:31] <eisenawesome> openldi you're screwed :P
[21:53:31] <AlienSoldier> want composite and Svideo also
[21:53:47] <helf> "Hi, I want an LCD with hd15, vga, hdmi, dvi, DP, BNC, rca, RF, .. " ;)
[21:54:02] <AlienSoldier> i could be fine without RF :)
[21:54:03] <helf> I have an LCD with OpenLDS
[21:54:19] <AlienSoldier> i looked at Dell, but was not impressed with the prices
[21:54:28] <helf> *OpenLDI
[21:54:42] <helf> In fact, LDI is the only interface option :P
[21:54:48] <helf> It is an SGI 1600sw
[21:54:50] <eisenawesome> what, one of the two models ever made?
[21:54:52] <eisenawesome> yeah
[21:54:53] <eisenawesome> :P
[21:54:58] <helf> :P
[21:55:02] <helf> It is a gorgeous LCD
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[21:55:55] <eisenawesome> anyway, AlienSoldier: you might want to look at stuff marketed as tvs a lot of them have dvi these days and they would have hdmi/composite/s-video
[21:56:00] <eisenawesome> vga you're probably out there
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[21:59:04] <luroh> if you're looking for a widescreen monitor, i'd get one that can crop and scale, for those full-screen apps that don't support ws
[21:59:52] <helf> I'd rather have it center the display at whatever max verticle resolution
[22:00:10] <helf> For none widescreen aware apps
[22:00:13] <luroh> yep
[22:00:21] <AlienSoldier> eisenawesome yes, just wanted something that also have displayport
[22:01:01] <helf> DP is finally an actual standard
[22:01:20] <eisenawesome> also what luroh said
[22:01:21] <AlienSoldier> i could probably get a separate box for analog signal, but those are dust colector and make for lot of wires
[22:01:31] <eisenawesome> mine can't and it gets annoying
[22:01:35] <helf> aldeck, yeah, I have one I rarely use
[22:01:37] <helf> er
[22:01:38] <helf> AlienSoldier,
[22:02:37] <AlienSoldier> perhaps i should just wait and get a 3d OLED monitor :)
[22:02:55] <eisenawesome> heh
[22:03:22] <eisenawesome> give it 5-10 years
[22:04:02] <AlienSoldier> the initial plan was to get a very tiny LCD monitor and get a 3 DLP projector with LED lightengine, but they just don't want to build that it seem.
[22:04:17] <helf> heh
[22:04:40] <helf> 3D television will be a bad joke until it doesn't require special glasses
[22:05:21] <AlienSoldier> 1 dlp projector = <1000$, add 2 more DLP and remove the colorweel and you jump at over 50000$, it make no sense
[22:05:22] <eisenawesome> but the glasses are so cool dude
[22:05:37] <JonathanThompson> Only if you have perfect, "normal" eyes.
[22:06:16] <JonathanThompson> If you have astigmatism, one eye, or differing visual abilities between the two eyes, it blows chunks in practice because you'll need to be able to use your regular glasses underneath.
[22:06:39] <AlienSoldier> helf for those that have glasses like me it's not that bad, i already have them in the face all the time, it would just be a matter to have 3d one just like i have a pair of security glass.
[22:06:53] <eisenawesome> couldn't you get snap on 3d frames
[22:06:58] <eisenawesome> like they have snap on sunglasses
[22:07:09] <JonathanThompson> Oh, and another thing: not all heads/faces are the right size for one-size-fits-some ;)
[22:07:24] <eisenawesome> tell me about it
[22:07:26] <eisenawesome> :P
[22:07:29] <JonathanThompson> Not all frames will be accounted for  that way, either :P
[22:07:51] <eisenawesome> lies
[22:08:00] <JonathanThompson> Damned lies!
[22:08:05] <JonathanThompson> STATISTICS!
[22:08:20] <helf> anyways
[22:08:29] <helf> 3D stuff is a pathetic joke and will be for awhile
[22:08:36] <helf> :)
[22:08:40] <helf> THAT IS MY FIRM BELIEF
[22:08:52] * JonathanThompson sees helf as typing Jell-O
[22:09:05] <JonathanThompson> Darn 3D glasses are messing me up again!
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[22:09:43] <eisenawesome> I'm not particularly looking forward to 3d
[22:09:43] <eisenawesome> I like 2d
[22:10:02] <pulkomandy> I saw a 3D tv without glasses yesterday... but it needed 60 different images displayed at the same time to work
[22:10:14] <pulkomandy> that's pretty hard to do with anything else than computer graphics
[22:10:19] <JonathanThompson> Think of the bandwidth :P
[22:10:44] <helf> eisenawesome, yeah
[22:10:50] <pulkomandy> yes, don't expect it to render things in realtime :)
[22:10:59] <JonathanThompson> Of course, it'll be compressed and likely represented with oct-tree or bp tree data...
[22:11:10] <JonathanThompson> And STILL be huge.
[22:11:16] <helf> eisenawesome, itll be forced upon us in the name of innovation and what not, idiot consumers will eat it up.. and itll take 10 more years after that initial roll out to be anything more than shit :P
[22:11:25] <AlienSoldier> 2d shooter in 3d would be awsome :)
[22:11:40] <JonathanThompson> It'll start out with the quality of the earlier LCD TVs, helf :P
[22:11:51] <JonathanThompson> You won't be able to view it from much other than straight on :D
[22:12:15] <helf> JonathanThompson, which totally defeats the purpose of 3d :P
[22:12:22] <helf> and early LCD tvs are so awful
[22:12:26] <helf> my grandparents have one
[22:12:36] <helf> its like watching moving jpeg images set on a compression ratio of 30%
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[22:13:03] <JonathanThompson> Even though it isn't the worst one, my 20" iMac's screen has limited viewing angles, making it a PITA for watching stuff on Hulu at times.
[22:13:22] <AlienSoldier> the bigest problem with 3d is that it need to be en entire wall to create a good effect
[22:13:29] <helf> I don't get why people want 3D so much for movies and stuff
[22:13:32] <JonathanThompson> If it had 178 degrees of good viewing angle, it'd be great.
[22:13:36] <helf> real 3D will make movies that much worse
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[22:13:55] <helf> since it'll be harder to cover up stuff and make filming a lot more difficult :P
[22:13:58] <AlienSoldier> helf well, it could induce true vertigo
[22:14:02] <helf> I can see it for sports or whatever, i guess
[22:14:04] <helf> racing.. :)
[22:14:06] <JonathanThompson> helf: the most likely genre to "benefit" ?  Pron!
[22:14:12] <helf> JonathanThompson, lol
[22:14:12] <helf> true
[22:14:31] * JonathanThompson imagines all the animals running away in fright now
[22:14:43] <helf> and by real 3d, i dont mean the depth illusion bullshit
[22:14:55] <helf> but giving you an actual few degrees of viewing freedom
[22:14:57] <JonathanThompson> A good sound system already weirds them out enough in practice: imagine if they see things in 3D with 3D sound, too!
[22:15:01] <AlienSoldier> seeing the coyote fall the cliff in 3d would rock
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[22:15:36] * JonathanThompson imagines playing "All Dogs Go To Heaven" in 3D to drive both dogs and cats crazy
[22:17:13] <helf> movies would have to be edited to DEATH via computer for full 360* viewing freedome :P
[22:17:15] <helf> *freedom
[22:20:20] <CIA-69> czeidler * r34201 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/acpi/ (acpi_busman.c acpi_priv.h oshaiku.c):
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[22:20:53] <kokito> howdy
[22:21:03] <JonathanThompson> I resemble that remark!
[22:22:11] <kokito> me no comprendo JonathanThompson :P
[22:22:37] <JonathanThompson> Ask helf what that translates to ;)
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[22:31:07] <CIA-69> czeidler * r34202 /haiku/trunk/headers/os/drivers/ACPI.h: Forget ACPI.h.
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[23:27:15] <erikk71usa> hi all
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[23:39:27] <TLF> does haiku install the boot on MBR or in the own partition?
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[23:42:10] <eisenawesome> it can do either
[23:42:15] <eisenawesome> iirc
[23:42:46] <TLF> thanks :)
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[23:46:33] * JonathanThompson notes TLF is a TLA
[23:47:32] <HeTo> the Haiku boot sector is installed in the partition boot sector
[23:47:47] <HeTo> but you can install the bootman boot selector in the MBR from Haiku
[23:48:51] <TLF> thanks, HeTo
[23:49:00] <TLF> I prefer to use GRUB in my MBR
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[23:52:36] <TLF> JonathanThompson: depends on what you understand for TLA
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[23:53:04] <JonathanThompson> Three Letter Acronym.... ok, perhaps it's your initials ;)
[23:53:31] <TLF> well, not at all
[23:53:33] <TLF> is my nick
[23:53:35] <TLF> TeLeFrancisco
[23:53:37] <TLF> long story
[23:54:15] <JonathanThompson> Most things that are odd, usually are :)
[23:56:00] <TLF> :)
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[23:59:46] <CIA-69> stpere * r34203 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/diskprobe/DataView.cpp:
[23:59:46] <CIA-69> DiskProbe :
[23:59:46] <CIA-69> * Fix a gcc4 warning in the boolean operation

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