November 20, 2009 
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November 20, 2009 [00:00:43] <kirilla> dwarfyperson: yes, i have one such which runs Haiku well[00:01:07] <dwarfyperson> so why do you need a new one?[00:01:56] <kirilla> dwarfyperson: I'm worried about my quad core and am looking for something to replace it.[00:01:59] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[00:02:34] <dwarfyperson> ah[00:03:00] <kirilla> I like being able to compile all of Haiku in less than 5 minutes and wouldn't want to go back.[00:03:07] <dwarfyperson> Well, it's a crapshoot either way, but i would stick with intel boards[00:03:17] <dwarfyperson> at least then you'll have audio[00:03:18] <kirilla> yes, I think you're right[00:05:28] *** PacoLinux has quit IRC[00:06:13] *** PacoLinux has joined #haiku[00:07:34] *** kirilla has quit IRC[00:08:43] *** kallisti5 has quit IRC[00:10:18] *** MYOB has quit IRC[00:12:45] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[00:16:15] *** luroh has joined #haiku[00:19:50] *** kallisti5 has joined #haiku[00:29:46] *** mortuosplango has quit IRC[00:32:44] *** ari2-free has quit IRC[00:36:58] *** fhein has quit IRC[00:38:47] *** PasNox has quit IRC[00:42:08] *** aldeck has quit IRC[00:43:13] *** redblue has joined #haiku[00:45:23] *** Andrius has quit IRC[00:46:28] *** gobgob has joined #haiku[00:47:13] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[00:48:55] *** kallisti5 has quit IRC[00:51:52] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:53:05] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[00:53:20] *** lazarjeremic has joined #haiku[00:53:28] *** lazarjeremic has left #haiku[00:57:15] *** kallisti5 has joined #haiku[00:58:17] *** ghane_ has quit IRC[00:58:17] *** peerkoel has quit IRC[00:58:17] *** Shoozza has quit IRC[01:00:39] *** ghane_ has joined #haiku[01:00:39] *** peerkoel has joined #haiku[01:00:39] *** Shoozza has joined #haiku[01:00:40] *** ghane has joined #haiku[01:01:15] *** ghane_ has quit IRC[01:02:18] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[01:09:42] *** binaryimpulse has quit IRC[01:13:12] *** kallisti7 has joined #haiku[01:18:07] *** kallisti7 has quit IRC[01:18:12] *** kallisti7 has joined #haiku[01:29:43] *** fly-away has quit IRC[01:30:32] *** kallisti5 has quit IRC[01:32:06] *** Kraln has joined #haiku[01:32:32] <Kraln> PANIC: Did not find any boot partitions! Welcome to kernel debugging land...[01:33:04] <Kraln> anything I can do to help[01:35:22] *** broadcast has quit IRC[01:39:47] <Kraln> guess not[01:40:27] <HeTo> I suppose knowing what your hard drive controller is might help[01:41:02] <HeTo> and seeing if http://dev.haiku-os.org has a matching ticket, and if not, creating one[01:42:03] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[01:46:24] <Kraln> well, was attempting to install off of a usb stick[01:47:23] <Kraln> Solaris, freebsd, dfly all failed so far, so it's not like you're in bad company[01:48:02] <HeTo> ah, then knowing the usb controller, and maybe the stick model, would probably help[01:50:28] <Kraln> sure. usb is a sandisk cruizer 8gb with the stupid u2 stuff removed. chipset is amd 690g[01:51:21] <Kraln> here's scanpci (from solaris, of all things) http://pastebin.com/f5c4c7e94[01:51:50] <HeTo> now let's see if there's anyone who might know anything about those here[01:54:07] *** HaikuBot3 has quit IRC[01:55:14] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[02:00:05] <MrSunshine> Kraln, some controller/stick combinations just doesnt work[02:00:23] <MrSunshine> on this coomputer no sticks work, on my haiku computer my fathers usb stick works but not my usb stick[02:00:42] <Kraln> sure. I'm in here less as a "fuck you it doesn't work", and more of a "what do I type into the kernel debugger prompt to get you information to help you make it work"[02:01:09] <MrSunshine> ye and i cant answer on that :/[02:01:37] <MrSunshine> i guess you could file a bug report stating chipset and what stick it is and hope someone can fix it? :)[02:04:48] <HeTo> pressing space early in the boot will give you a boot menu where you can specify debug output and fail-safe options, you could try that and see if you get anything useful[02:05:18] <HeTo> the debug output also gets transmitted on the serial port at 115200-8-N-1 if you have one[02:06:00] <HeTo> (but the serial port on the Haiku machine has to be a real one, a USB one won't do at that end)[02:06:44] <Kraln> this is a $250 gateway netbook[02:06:54] <Kraln> I'd be surprised if it had anything not hooked up to the usb bus =p[02:07:51] <Kraln> HeTo: doesn't appear to see the keyboard, either. =p[02:08:28] <HeTo> Kraln: inside the kernel debugger, or in the bootloader?[02:08:38] <Kraln> the kernel debugger sees it[02:08:53] <Kraln> actually. it gets to the maple leaf grey box thing before it hits the kernel debugger[02:09:00] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[02:09:07] <Kraln> I tried hitting space before that several times (read: constantly) to no avail[02:09:58] *** triplez has quit IRC[02:10:24] <HeTo> yeah, you should hit the keyboard before the splash screen is shown, when the first icon on the splash screen lights up it's too late[02:10:29] <HeTo> but I assume that's what you did[02:11:44] *** HaikUbuntu has quit IRC[02:15:55] *** cb88 has joined #haiku[02:18:19] *** amuck has joined #haiku[02:21:07] *** raichoo has quit IRC[02:24:29] *** oco has quit IRC[02:26:50] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[02:28:23] *** lowdread has joined #haiku[02:28:34] <Kokito> hello[02:30:15] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[02:30:30] *** ari2-free has joined #haiku[02:37:46] *** triplez has joined #haiku[02:42:57] <Kokito> hmmm... this chromuim os thing is kind of... boring...[02:43:11] <Kokito> chromium[02:44:22] *** joshc has quit IRC[02:47:09] *** lpaul7 has quit IRC[02:47:32] <pfoetchen> yep I expected some more revolutionary ideas..[02:48:54] <lowdread> lol ... is just a linux with browser ... for cloud computing[02:50:28] <cb88> wait... doesn't android kinda already do that an more?[02:51:12] *** bryguy[lap] has quit IRC[02:53:38] *** artao has joined #haiku[02:54:08] <AlienSoldier> cb88 i think android is like windows and this is more like CE[02:54:39] <AlienSoldier> it's like internet appliance with muscle behind it[02:55:04] <AlienSoldier> but, yes it's boring[02:57:37] <DraX> well duh[02:57:43] <DraX> did you expect anything else?[02:58:11] *** artao has left #haiku[03:01:45] <cb88> AlienSoldier: well... well if you stuck a java stack in CE you would pratically have feature parity with andriod[03:02:09] <cb88> not that that would be any fun...[03:05:00] *** redblue has quit IRC[03:08:38] *** bryguy[lap] has joined #haiku[03:09:28] *** NathanP has joined #Haiku[03:10:02] <NathanP> Hm. Just realized Fedora 12 doesn't prompt a password on software installs and the like. I wonder who's idea was that?[03:10:36] <NathanP> Anyways, I've just tried running Haiku on my old IBM NetVista. Gave some life on it.[03:12:28] <cb88> NathanP: have you already authenticated as root at some point[03:12:30] <cb88> ?[03:12:40] <NathanP> No, it's a new feature.[03:12:48] <cb88> oh... then thats dumb[03:12:51] <NathanP> The Fedora Dev's decided to do away with authenticating installs and updates, it seems.[03:12:56] <cb88> X.x[03:13:04] <NathanP> And what's funny, a Red Hat employee even called it stupid.[03:13:10] <cb88> since all repo software is safe.. yeah right[03:13:35] <cb88> I wonder if you can install local packages without authentication[03:13:52] <NathanP> Either way, it's a screwed-up default.[03:14:04] <NathanP> They should have at least made it more known.[03:14:34] <cb88> well.. I guess it doesn't matter since you can build and run software by adding a directory in your home to your PATH[03:15:46] <NathanP> I can understand the Dev's logic of "If you don't like it, set it to require a password," but that kind of does away with some of the security Linux boasts. I prefer having a guilty-until-proven-authenticated set-up.[03:16:15] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[03:18:42] <Kokito> good night folks[03:18:46] <NathanP> Night.[03:18:49] *** Kokito has left #haiku[03:22:45] <cb88> NathanP: I'm any real admin would agree... I guess these guys have never dealt with users (pranks....etc oh why are they 9999999999 folders with random names in my home dir)[03:23:24] <NathanP> They Dev's are protesting that Fedora is generally used by single-users, and isn't suppose to be used in Enterprise settings.[03:23:36] <NathanP> The.*[03:23:46] <cb88> well that is only partially true...[03:24:17] <NathanP> Indeed. I know many businesses that use Fedora, and several educational environments which dabble with it.[03:24:55] <cb88> I would imagine it tends to be used by developers as workstations... but I imagine it ends up on home severs too... and school systems that don't want to pay for red hat a course they could go with centos[03:25:21] <NathanP> I suppose it's more of the cutting-edge, but still stable aspect of it.[03:26:27] <cb88> my school just got about 5-8 new Linux boxes will have to check them out tomorrow... they are reserved for the reconfigureable computing group it seems... interesting stuff they do http://www.rcs.uncc.edu/wiki/index.php/Main_Page[03:28:07] <cb88> I'm digging into the sparcv8 manual at the moment... rather interesting[03:29:05] <cb88> contrasts nicely with the MIPS arch... I somewhat afraid of CISC design... seems like that is a big iron design philosophy[03:31:04] <NathanP> Speaking of user permissions...[03:31:25] <NathanP> Seems a user who has an FTP account to their site didn't know what an .htaccess file is.[03:31:45] <NathanP> He decided to delete it. His site is now a dead zone until it's restored.[03:32:06] <NathanP> I just got an email from him screaming at me that his site's stopped working.[03:34:28] <lowdread> hey people, the best site for haiku's apps is the haikuware?[03:34:51] <NathanP> Haikuware, yes.[03:35:00] <lowdread> thanks NathanP[03:37:58] <cb88> lol[03:38:29] <cb88> fail2ban is your friend as well...[03:39:02] <cb88> getting random ips from china trying to hack into an oracle account that doesn't exist on my box X.x[03:40:12] <cb88> cya[03:40:14] *** cb88 has quit IRC[03:44:33] *** NathanP has quit IRC[03:45:00] *** kallisti5 has joined #haiku[03:45:20] *** joeyadams has quit IRC[03:49:39] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[03:52:47] <jmayfield_> hi[03:57:24] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[04:00:40] *** kallisti7 has quit IRC[04:01:17] *** lowdread has quit IRC[04:06:21] <dhalsimrocks> so who can tell me about opening a pty in Haiku?[04:06:43] <mmadia> our tty layer is incomplete. does that help?[04:07:11] <dhalsimrocks> heh... I think that does. :-)[04:07:20] <dhalsimrocks> I got screen to build, but it can't open a pty[04:07:26] <dhalsimrocks> or can't *find* a pty, I should say[04:07:35] <jmayfield_> isnt that a pty?[04:08:14] <dhalsimrocks> badum--KSSH[04:08:56] <jmayfield_> i am the first person to make that pun, ever[04:09:34] * mmadia slowly gets joke.[04:09:43] <dhalsimrocks> oh, and just FYI, it seems an ssh session does not set up the environment properly[04:10:27] <dhalsimrocks> once I actually sat down to the haiku box this evening, gcc and friends worked just fine[04:11:31] <mmadia> want to file a bug for that?[04:11:46] <dhalsimrocks> I can, but I wanted to make sure it really was one first. ;-)[04:12:25] <dhalsimrocks> where is the profile read from when you open a terminal?[04:13:08] * jmayfield_ puts on Trans-Europe Express[04:14:13] <mmadia> /boot/common/etc may have some pointers[04:14:20] *** kallisti7 has joined #haiku[04:17:29] <dhalsimrocks> ahh, /system/boot/SetupEnvironment[04:20:16] <jmayfield_> damn, 'europe endless' is one hell of a classically sweet song[04:20:54] <jmayfield_> its' been too long since i properly enkraftwerked my brain[04:25:16] <dhalsimrocks> putting ". /system/boot/SetupEnvironment" in .bash_profile fixes the problem[04:26:25] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[04:34:00] *** kallisti5 has quit IRC[04:37:08] * JonathanThompson poits jmayfield_[04:38:06] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[04:39:51] * jmayfield_ tries to remember his depoitification techniques[04:40:47] <JonathanThompson> Well, a big fruity company is pursuing me.[04:41:58] <jmayfield_> col[04:42:01] <jmayfield_> cool too[04:42:20] <jmayfield_> i presume you mean chiquita[04:42:27] <jmayfield_> dole[04:42:29] <jmayfield_> hehe[04:43:39] <JonathanThompson> ;)[04:44:08] <jmayfield_> move required?[04:44:50] <JonathanThompson> It would be, yes.[04:45:32] *** joeyadams has joined #haiku[05:04:00] <dwarfyperson> still dude[05:04:00] <dwarfyperson> money[05:06:56] *** kallisti7 has quit 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binaryimpulse has quit IRC[07:28:14] *** curlyman has quit IRC[07:28:55] *** redblue has quit IRC[07:31:39] *** brrant has joined #haiku[07:32:06] *** triplez has quit IRC[07:32:09] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[07:32:31] *** triplez has joined #haiku[07:35:15] *** ari-free_ has joined #haiku[07:35:46] *** ari2-free has quit IRC[07:50:49] *** ari-free has quit IRC[07:51:35] *** ari2-free_ has quit IRC[08:01:25] *** prOSy has joined #haiku[08:05:00] *** triplez_ has joined #haiku[08:06:05] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[08:07:54] *** ari-free has joined #haiku[08:09:32] *** ari2-free has joined #haiku[08:10:16] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34144 /haiku/trunk/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Fixed spelling.[08:13:37] *** markos_ has quit IRC[08:14:40] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34145 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/userlandfs/server/fuse/FUSEVolume.cpp: Fixed warning.[08:14:57] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[08:14:58] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o aldeck[08:19:22] *** ari-free_ has quit IRC[08:24:22] *** 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IRC[09:00:59] *** jmayfield_ has quit IRC[09:05:58] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34148 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/packagefs/DebugSupport.h: Our functions deserve to be pretty.[09:07:26] *** saivert has quit IRC[09:10:14] *** saivert has joined #haiku[09:11:05] *** yamokidzu-it has joined #haiku[09:13:23] *** ari2-free has quit IRC[09:13:38] *** DDevine has joined #haiku[09:13:56] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34149 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/packagefs/DebugSupport.h: Cleanup.[09:34:07] *** Qeos has joined #haiku[09:36:18] *** PacoLinux has quit IRC[09:37:18] *** uriel has joined #haiku[09:37:21] *** uriel has left #haiku[09:37:49] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[09:40:38] *** |Qeos| has quit IRC[09:41:29] *** jmayfield__ has quit IRC[09:50:10] *** yamokidzu-it is now known as ^kenhoobb-it[09:58:34] *** ^kenhoobb-it is now known as ^kenhoob-it1[10:10:17] *** nhc has joined #haiku[10:18:00] *** netstar_ has joined #haiku[10:25:55] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[10:30:13] *** 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+o mmu_man[11:24:20] *** MrSunshine_ has joined #haiku[11:26:04] *** H_MrSun_ has joined #haiku[11:27:30] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[11:33:08] <CIA-69> axeld * r34150 /haiku/trunk/data/etc/inputrc: * This more or less fixes bash's UTF-8 support, and closes ticket #215.[11:40:40] *** H_MrSun has quit IRC[11:40:41] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[11:43:12] <H_MrSun_> anyone in haiku alive?[11:47:16] <mmu_man> http://www.xkcd.com/665/ lol, Stargate inspirated ? :)[11:48:37] <H_MrSun_> anyone?[11:48:43] <H_MrSun_> need confirmation of a test =)[11:53:11] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[11:55:12] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[11:58:09] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[12:00:34] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[12:03:20] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34151 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/port.cpp: Fixed gcc 4 warning.[12:04:04] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34152 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Style cleanup. No functional change.[12:05:36] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[12:15:54] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[12:18:38] *** lpaul7 has joined #haiku[12:22:27] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[12:23:43] *** ari-free__ has quit IRC[12:26:07] <CIA-69> axeld * r34153 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/net/DHCPClient.cpp: * Added missing "continue" as pointed out by Siarzhuk. Thanks![12:28:46] *** SiCuTDeUx_ has joined #haiku[12:29:56] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[12:31:44] *** kitallis is now known as kitallis[n][12:32:20] *** ari-free has joined #haiku[12:33:02] *** kitallis[n] is now known as kitallis[12:39:14] *** wildur has quit IRC[12:39:26] *** triplez has quit IRC[12:41:05] *** ari-free has quit IRC[12:41:53] *** ari-free has joined #haiku[12:46:43] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[12:46:45] *** noisetonepause has joined #haiku[12:56:39] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[12:56:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[12:56:40] *** SiCuTDeUx__ has joined #haiku[12:58:10] <CIA-69> axeld * r34154 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/coreutils/src/ls.c:[12:58:10] <CIA-69> * This is a temporary work-around to let "ls" show UTF-8 characters, even[12:58:10] <CIA-69> though it won't determine the correct display width.[12:58:10] <CIA-69> * The actual fix would be to have the wide character API working, though.[13:00:56] *** SiCuTDeUx_ has quit IRC[13:06:22] *** raichoo has quit IRC[13:07:30] *** ^kenhoob-it1 has quit IRC[13:09:56] *** knottnhupfer has quit IRC[13:11:11] <mmu_man> merging src/cmd/cov/Makefile failed![13:11:13] <mmu_man> hmm[13:14:04] *** kitallis_ has joined #haiku[13:16:21] *** kitallis has quit IRC[13:18:37] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[13:19:17] *** kitallis_ has quit IRC[13:20:52] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[13:23:21] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[13:28:07] *** fran has quit IRC[13:36:48] *** sprma has quit IRC[13:37:48] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[13:38:43] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[13:40:02] *** genki has quit IRC[13:48:01] *** sprma has joined #haiku[13:48:07] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[13:48:28] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[13:48:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[13:48:58] <DDevine> H_MrSun_: indeed.[13:49:25] <H_MrSun_> DDevine, indeed on what? :)[13:49:39] <DDevine> Stargate[13:49:50] <MrSunshine_> i wrote nothing about stargate[13:49:53] <MrSunshine_> mmu_man, did[13:51:06] *** sprma has quit IRC[13:53:39] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[13:56:16] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[14:02:11] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[14:02:54] <DDevine> oh.[14:03:05] <DDevine> I misread[14:06:59] <MrSunshine_> wtf, seems like when haiku had descided to use swap it wont stop using it[14:07:14] <MrSunshine_> i have 512mb ram, using 100mb atm .. and everything that is memory intence makes the hd work like hell[14:08:02] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[14:08:35] <DDevine> MrSunshine_: I think I noticed that at one stage.[14:08:41] *** GeneralMaximus has joined #haiku[14:08:49] <GeneralMaximus> evening :)[14:09:45] <Teknomancer> evening GeneralMaximus[14:09:55] <GeneralMaximus> namaste Teknomancer[14:10:04] <Teknomancer> namaste :)[14:10:38] <Teknomancer> kaise hai?[14:10:43] * Teknomancer tries his rusty hindi[14:10:51] <Lelldorin1> hi all[14:10:56] <Teknomancer> hallo Lelldorin1[14:11:07] <Teknomancer> and his rustier Deutsch[14:11:23] <Teknomancer> wie gehts?[14:11:44] <Lelldorin1> Teknomancer: mir danke gut :-)[14:12:25] *** leszek has joined #haiku[14:12:41] <leszek> hi[14:12:46] <Lelldorin1> hi kle[14:12:50] <Lelldorin1> lol[14:12:54] <Lelldorin1> hi leszek[14:13:00] <Lelldorin1> besser[14:13:44] <GeneralMaximus> Teknomancer: accha hoon :)[14:13:54] <Teknomancer> hi leszek[14:14:04] <GeneralMaximus> Teknomancer: tum batao?[14:14:16] <Teknomancer> sab theek[14:14:27] <GeneralMaximus> \0/[14:14:33] <Teknomancer> bird![14:14:53] <Lelldorin1> Teknomancer: do you want to port beezer to haiku?[14:14:58] <Lelldorin1> or is it available?[14:15:19] <Teknomancer> Lelldorin1: want to port, the code base is still using the old BeIDE files, not yet got around to making it compile on haiku[14:15:24] <Teknomancer> it's been open-sourced[14:15:33] <Lelldorin1> i see[14:15:35] <Lelldorin1> great[14:15:46] <Lelldorin1> but my c++ knowledge are very bad ;-)[14:15:48] <GeneralMaximus> can't Paladin work with BeIDE files?[14:15:59] <Teknomancer> haven't tried Paladin yet[14:16:05] <GeneralMaximus> ah[14:16:26] <Teknomancer> anyone who wants write access to the repo (OSDrawer), drop me a line, not having much time for beezer as usual :/[14:16:35] *** sprma has joined #haiku[14:16:45] <Lelldorin1> Teknomancer: you stay in germany or only for some time to work? i read at this moment you blog ;-)[14:17:02] * Teknomancer is busy with VBox in Germany ;)[14:17:06] <Teknomancer> so stay & work, yes[14:17:20] <Lelldorin1> Teknomancer: i hope you like it :-)[14:19:20] <leszek> hmm... zevenos.com seems down or is it just me ?[14:19:50] <Lelldorin1> ts down yes[14:20:02] <Lelldorin1> + a i to the ts[14:20:06] <Lelldorin1> ^^[14:20:50] <leszek> hmm... why the heck is the .de domain then working !?[14:20:53] <helf> hi[14:20:58] <leszek> hi helf[14:21:15] <Lelldorin1> hi[14:21:47] <Lelldorin1> leszek: ast du die rechnung bezahlt ^^[14:21:50] <Lelldorin1> +h[14:21:54] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[14:22:41] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[14:22:41] <leszek> Lelldorin1, I hope the admin has :P[14:23:00] <helf> Lelldorin1, Gesundheit :P[14:23:17] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[14:23:30] <Lelldorin1> leszek: hmm the screenshots are all borken[14:24:16] <leszek> I know because its all linked to the .com adress[14:24:32] <DDevine> I only just had a look at ZevenOS yesterday, interesting.[14:24:40] <leszek> :)[14:24:49] <DDevine> But if I am not on Haiku I rather be using sweet sweet KDE4[14:24:57] <Lelldorin1> leszek: can you connect over ftp to the webhost?[14:25:12] <DDevine> For some reason I still can't get to haikuware.com :([14:25:17] <leszek> Lelldorin1, yes I can[14:25:33] <Lelldorin1> leszek: any server problem[14:25:37] <Lelldorin1> i thin[14:25:39] <Lelldorin1> k[14:26:55] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[14:27:14] * helf has been seeding the zevenos torrent for a week now at work :P[14:27:27] <helf> uploaded 9.91gb so far[14:28:14] <Lelldorin1> helf: overloaded ;-) the server is boken jet[14:28:35] <leszek> Lelldorin1, hmm... but which xD, normally the .com adress should link everything to the de adress, because this is the main server with all the data[14:29:25] <leszek> try the torrent file for example : http://www.zevenos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/ZevenOS-20.torrent[14:29:28] <leszek> does not work[14:29:32] <leszek> http://www.zevenos.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/ZevenOS-20.torrent[14:29:35] <leszek> does work[14:29:38] <leszek> very strange[14:29:54] <leszek> as ftping the .com adress is redirecting me well to de[14:29:56] <leszek> .de[14:31:42] <Lelldorin1> inform your webhoster[14:32:55] <leszek> I first have to inform our webmaster :P Because I don't know the webhoster :P[14:37:08] <helf> Lelldorin1, ah :)[14:37:22] <leszek> hmm... brb reboot[14:37:24] *** leszek has quit IRC[14:37:42] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[14:37:43] <helf> I'm seeding the zevenos torrent at around 20-25KB/s right now[14:37:46] <helf> morning, mmadia[14:38:03] <mmadia> brains![14:38:07] <mmadia> i mean... coffee!![14:38:36] <mmadia> morning, helf. :)[14:39:20] <helf> :P[14:40:14] *** leszek has joined #haiku[14:40:26] <leszek> re[14:40:53] <Lelldorin1> wb[14:42:31] <Teknomancer> Lelldorin1: yeah it's very nice[14:42:37] <Teknomancer> hi helf[14:42:41] <helf> morning, Teknomancer[14:42:48] <Lelldorin1> Teknomancer: there you are in germany[14:43:28] *** saivert has quit IRC[14:43:34] *** saivert has joined #haiku[14:43:51] <Lelldorin1> ok i mean where[14:44:01] <Lelldorin1> my english is sooo bad[14:44:15] <Teknomancer> Lelldorin1: near stuttgart[14:44:30] <Lelldorin1> Teknomancer: i am in hamburg[14:44:39] <Teknomancer> ah[14:45:09] <Teknomancer> Hamburg ist nicht in die naehe? <-- my german is worse :P[14:45:37] <Teknomancer> rather ist nicht in die naehe vom Stuttgart[14:46:05] <Lelldorin1> http://maps.google.de/maps?f=s&utm_campaign=de&utm_source=de-ha-emea-de-google-gm&utm_medium=ha&utm_term={deutschland%20karte}[14:46:30] <Lelldorin1> i am in the north you are in the south[14:46:34] <Teknomancer> ja, ich weiss[14:46:39] <Teknomancer> i've been to hannover[14:46:42] <Teknomancer> for cebit[14:46:59] <Lelldorin1> ah ok[14:47:19] <leszek> and I am nearly in the middle of the both in Cologne ;)[14:47:25] <leszek> *them[14:47:38] <Lelldorin1> hehe[14:47:50] <Teknomancer> i've been to Koln[14:48:07] <Teknomancer> and Bonn but only travelling, didn't stay there[14:48:20] *** noisetonepause has quit IRC[14:48:24] <Lelldorin1> i hope i have time to visit next begeistert[14:48:57] <DDevine> Germany is one of the few places I would like to go.[14:49:11] <DDevine> Lots of cool people from Germany too.[14:49:19] <leszek> :)[14:49:25] <mmadia> DDevine : an email bounced from you on [haiku-development] yesterday.[14:49:45] <DDevine> Oh really. Depends which yesterday we are talking about :)[14:49:46] <leszek> cologne is very cool especially in that 5th season of the year (karneval)[14:50:21] <mmadia> the reply to GSoC.[14:50:25] <dhalsimrocks> I'd like to go to bamberg and sample some of the smoked beers[14:50:40] *** ari-free has quit IRC[14:50:56] <DDevine> mmadia: My today then. Yeah I was pointing out a GSOC Mentoring guide that might be useful.[14:51:29] <mmadia> did you send it from a different address by accident or such, DDevine?[14:51:34] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[14:51:50] <DDevine> mmadia: I probably did.[14:52:16] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34155 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[14:52:16] <CIA-69> * Added flag KMESSAGE_CLONE_BUFFER, which will cause buffer passed to SetTo()[14:52:16] <CIA-69> to be cloned.[14:52:16] <CIA-69> * Added "flags" parameter to the SetTo(const void*,...) version.[14:53:08] *** ari-free has joined #haiku[14:54:18] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[14:55:56] *** phalax has quit IRC[14:56:06] *** phalax has joined #haiku[14:56:22] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[14:57:13] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34156 /haiku/trunk/headers/private/kernel/util/KMessage.h: Some more style cleanup.[14:59:47] *** sarek has joined #haiku[15:06:05] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[15:10:49] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[15:11:43] <DDevine> Does Haiku recognise PCMIA cards yet? (aren't they just PCI devices?)[15:13:21] <mmadia> trac would know.[15:13:57] <mmadia> but i'm pretty sure there is no support for pcmcia[15:15:04] *** dru_ has joined #haiku[15:15:04] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[15:15:33] <DDevine> mmadia: Nothing turns up when I search PCMIA. Is the other name for PCMIA "cardbus"?[15:15:49] <mmadia> pcmCia ;)[15:16:05] <DDevine> ah I had a feeling it might have had an extra c[15:16:45] <GeneralMaximus> i see lots of PackageFS commits in the commit logs. is that going to be the standard package distribution format?[15:16:49] *** H_MrSun_ has quit IRC[15:17:11] <DDevine> Yeah looks like PCMCIA isn't supported.[15:17:42] <DDevine> Crap. I thought I could have a go at using the WiFi stack because I have a PCMCIA Atheros card...[15:18:07] *** H_MrSun has joined #haiku[15:18:15] <mmadia> i do believe so, GeneralMaximus. http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/PackageFormat[15:18:36] <adamk_> DDevine: Haiku sees my atheros PCMCIA crd. It doesn't work with it due to an unresolved symbol, but it certainly sees it.[15:19:12] <GeneralMaximus> mmadia: ah nice.[15:19:30] <GeneralMaximus> mmadia: so you mount it like an OS X DMG?[15:19:49] *** V0r73x has joined #haiku[15:20:01] <DDevine> adamk_: I don't think it sees mine according to listdev[15:20:44] <mmadia> basically GeneralMaximus. the complete workings are still fuzzy to me.[15:20:46] <adamk_> I never checked listdev. I simply booted my laptop off a USB flash drive and installed the atheros drivers. They detected the card and loaded.[15:21:01] <adamk_> But the driver is geared towards alpha1, and I'm using something newer built from git.[15:21:19] <DDevine> I'm using alpha 1[15:21:30] <adamk_> Did you try the drivers yet?[15:21:30] <DDevine> I'll update when I find time.[15:21:40] <GeneralMaximus> mmadia: nice. i love the way OS X apps are distributed.[15:21:44] <DDevine> Of course I installed them :)[15:21:49] <GeneralMaximus> mmadia: then again, i'm a self described fanboy ...[15:22:06] <adamk_> DDevine: Does /var/log/syslog show the driver is getting loaded (or it's attempting to load them)?[15:23:00] <DDevine> adamk_: Yes it says "driver "atheros" loaded"[15:24:07] <adamk_> But the network device isn't showing up in ifconfig?[15:24:14] <DDevine> nope[15:25:09] <adamk_> Yeah, I don't know why that would happen.[15:25:26] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[15:27:41] <DDevine> adamk_: I'll meditate on it for a while, then file a bug if it isn't my fault.[15:28:30] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[15:29:32] *** mwarning has joined #haiku[15:31:05] <mwarning> hi, how do I start the ssh daemon on haiku?[15:32:15] <DDevine> mwarning: with the sshd command[15:32:37] <DDevine> You will need to configure some stuff to make it work though[15:33:50] <mwarning> DDevine, haiku tells me that I have to re.exec sshd with an absolute path to start it.[15:34:01] <mwarning> but where is the binary located.[15:34:20] <mwarning> whereis and locate doesn't exist/work[15:34:30] <DDevine> use which[15:34:39] <mwarning> right :)[15:34:41] *** fhein has joined #haiku[15:36:00] <DDevine> I have to keep reminding older people of that command. Apparently it is something only us youngin' use.[15:36:21] <mwarning> hm, "Could not load host key" [..] "sshd: no hostkeys available: -- exiting"[15:36:43] <DDevine> Yeah, that's why I said you had to do some configuration. You need to generate keys.[15:38:02] <leszek> re[15:38:37] <mwarning> I used ssh-keygen and gave it the file location sshd was asking about.[15:39:21] <dhalsimrocks> mwarning: you may want to consider putting ". /system/boot/SetupEnvironment" in /boot/home/.bash_profile once you have sshd running[15:39:28] <mwarning> sshd now tells me that it can read the /boot/common/etc/ssh_host_rsa_key[15:39:40] <mwarning> dhalsimrocks, k :)[15:39:51] <dhalsimrocks> create the dsa key as well[15:40:13] <DDevine> I can't seem to find the article on how to set up sshd in haiku for you.[15:42:20] *** fly-away has joined #haiku[15:42:25] *** redblue has joined #haiku[15:42:36] <dhalsimrocks> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/2428[15:42:51] <mwarning> I think I have messed up smth.. Can I just delete the /boot/common/etc/ssh directory and start over?[15:42:52] <dhalsimrocks> generate both keys with the commands at the bottom of that page, then start sshd with the full path[15:43:49] <dhalsimrocks> then make sure to give 'user' a password (just use the 'passwd' command)[15:44:41] <mwarning> k[15:45:25] <dhalsimrocks> hmm... I wonder if you could symlink /system/boot/SetupEnvironment to /boot/common/etc/environment to get ssh to use the proper environment[15:45:40] <dhalsimrocks> without having to muck with .bash_profile[15:46:32] <mwarning> sshd starts now :)[15:47:51] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[15:48:31] <dhalsimrocks> can you connect to it?[15:49:15] <mwarning> yes[15:49:40] <dhalsimrocks> can you try something for me?[15:49:46] <mwarning> anyway, what about that ./system/boot/SetupEnvironment?[15:49:52] <mwarning> dhalsimrocks, sure[15:50:11] <dhalsimrocks> in your ssh session, type: echo $BETOOLS[15:50:35] <mwarning> it's not set.[15:50:45] <dhalsimrocks> ok[15:51:30] <mwarning> is there a root user on haiku?[15:51:45] <H_MrSun> no multiuser yet .. baron:users atm i think is the main user[15:51:50] <H_MrSun> or whatever is specified in the build[15:51:52] <dhalsimrocks> try "ln -s /system/boot/SetupEnvironment /boot/common/etc/environment"[15:52:01] <dhalsimrocks> then kill and restart sshd[15:52:22] <dhalsimrocks> I'd do this on my own machine, but I'm not in front of my haiku machine[15:52:34] <dhalsimrocks> so if I kill sshd, I can't get back to it. :-)[15:53:58] <mwarning> I can re-login[15:54:02] <mwarning> no problems..[15:54:04] *** hoelzro has joined #haiku[15:54:27] <mwarning> but I haven't modified my .bash_profile.[15:54:38] <dhalsimrocks> now, see if $BETOOLS is set[15:54:52] <mwarning> nope[15:54:56] <dhalsimrocks> rats[15:55:05] <helf> they stole my work chair[15:55:06] <helf> ...[15:55:10] * helf is standing at his pc now[15:55:37] <dhalsimrocks> oh well. echo ". /system/boot/SetupEnvironment" >> /boot/home/.bash_profile[15:56:02] <mwarning> helf, steal another. ;)[15:56:07] <mwarning> dhalsimrocks, sec.[15:56:42] <mwarning> ~> echo $BETOOLS[15:56:42] <mwarning> /boot/develop/tools/gnupro/bin[15:57:08] <dhalsimrocks> there you go[15:57:25] <mwarning> what is it doing?[15:57:47] <mmadia> is this on R1A1 or trunk, dhalsimrocks?[15:57:54] <dhalsimrocks> R1A1[15:57:57] <mwarning> there are a lot of dev tools there.[15:58:17] <dhalsimrocks> yeah, basically it sets up your development environment[15:58:23] <dhalsimrocks> so you have access to gcc and friends[15:58:35] <mwarning> I see. That will come handy. thanks![15:58:57] <dhalsimrocks> i thought I'd try porting gnu screen to haiku yesterday and couldn't even get ./configure to work[15:59:20] <dhalsimrocks> mucked around with autotools, libtool, etc. couldn't figure out how to get the build going[15:59:42] <dhalsimrocks> I got home and sat down to the actual box and everything Just Worked[15:59:57] <dhalsimrocks> so I figured the environment wasn't getting set up properly over SSH[16:00:19] *** GeneralMaximus has quit IRC[16:00:22] <dhalsimrocks> by the way, gnu screen *might* work whever haiku's tty layer gets finished[16:00:25] *** Andrius has quit IRC[16:00:33] <helf> I hope they put out a pci-x usb 3.0 adapter[16:00:40] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[16:02:52] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[16:04:15] <mmadia> hi petterhj-[16:06:26] *** petterhj has quit IRC[16:08:37] <petterhj-> mmadia: hey..[16:12:21] *** PacoLinux has joined #haiku[16:16:05] <CIA-69> axeld * r34157 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/mediaplayer/MainWin.cpp: * Also write the bitrate as attribute.[16:18:51] *** ari-free has quit IRC[16:19:13] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[16:21:19] *** ari-free has joined #haiku[16:26:53] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[16:32:56] *** curlyman has joined #haiku[16:48:20] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[16:48:33] <Lelldorin1> re[16:50:52] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[16:55:24] *** mwarning has left #haiku[16:57:23] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[16:59:56] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[17:00:20] *** The123king has joined #haiku[17:05:49] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[17:07:11] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[17:09:17] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[17:13:15] *** noisetonepause has joined #haiku[17:16:40] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[17:16:51] *** DDevine has quit IRC[17:20:21] *** redblue has quit IRC[17:20:48] *** kunwon1 has joined #haiku[17:30:33] *** triplez has joined #haiku[17:32:44] *** yamokidzu-it has joined #haiku[17:33:03] <CIA-69> axeld * r34158 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/disk_device_manager/KDiskDeviceManager.cpp:[17:33:03] <CIA-69> * Unlock the auto locker before deleting the object or else you will find[17:33:03] <CIA-69> yourself in KDL.[17:34:55] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[17:35:34] *** yamokidzu-it is now known as ^kenhoob-it1[17:37:04] *** Barrett has quit IRC[17:37:38] <CIA-69> stippi * r34159 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/tracker/Utilities.h: Avoid an invalid GCC warning by using a union.[17:39:55] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[17:41:57] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[17:42:40] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[17:43:16] *** miqlas has quit IRC[17:45:19] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[17:49:17] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[17:50:59] <CIA-69> scottmc * r510 /haikuports/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Initial .bep and patch file for glib-2.22.2, this gets us past configure but it seems they need ipv6 so need to work around that still. 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Like in Beam as reported in #4949 (which via libbind seems[19:08:53] <CIA-69> to use some pthread stuff).[19:12:49] *** [1]V0r73x has joined #haiku[19:14:28] *** michaelvo has joined #haiku[19:14:28] *** Captain_Pike has quit IRC[19:14:32] *** Captain_Pike has joined #haiku[19:15:24] *** andreas_dr4006 has joined #haiku[19:20:48] *** fly-away has joined #haiku[19:23:59] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[19:24:28] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[19:25:16] *** Kroki has joined #haiku[19:26:19] *** aldeck has quit IRC[19:27:29] *** andreas_dr4006 has quit IRC[19:30:27] *** V0r73x has quit IRC[19:31:53] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[19:32:35] *** Megaf is now known as MegafEee[19:33:58] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[19:35:47] <CIA-69> jackburton * r34162 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/terminal/ (4 files):[19:35:47] <CIA-69> Renamed the BMessengers to make clearer to which messengers they[19:35:47] <CIA-69> refer to. Made some parameters const references. Removed leftovers.[19:38:49] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[19:39:19] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[19:39:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o aldeck[19:40:51] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[19:44:08] *** noisetonepause has quit IRC[19:44:28] *** Cheshire_Cat has joined #haiku[19:44:39] *** brrant has quit IRC[19:45:19] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[19:45:35] *** Geoz has quit IRC[19:45:42] *** Cheshire_Cat is now known as Geoz[19:46:47] *** ricardojose has joined #haiku[19:59:27] *** Dane__ has joined #Haiku[19:59:33] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[19:59:44] <Dane__> aldeck howdy[20:00:06] <Dane__> hello geist[20:00:28] <aldeck> hi Dane__ :)[20:00:47] <Dane__> aldeck What's new with Haiku? Any interesting new developments since Alpha 1?[20:01:01] <humdinger> Now, this is nice for some Vision notifications: http://www.avisoft.com/sounds.htm[20:01:13] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[20:02:52] <humdinger> Dane__: Some hread priorities were adjusted and, I just upgraded, but I think I hear fewer pops in MediaPlayer[20:02:52] <aldeck> Dane__: sorry, quite busy at the moment[20:03:17] *** V0r73x has joined #haiku[20:03:31] <Dane__> np aldeck ttyl[20:03:34] <Dane__> thanks humdinger[20:03:36] <Dane__> that's good news[20:04:37] <mmadia> Ingo's been busy implementing the PackageFS, which will be used for installing software & handling dependencies.[20:04:56] <Dane__> mmadia Cool[20:05:13] <Dane__> Any word on how the webkit project is coming?[20:05:28] <mmadia> Niels & Oliver have been doing a tremendous work migrating Haiku's websites and related services to our new dedicated hosting.[20:06:14] <mmadia> mm... slow but steady? maxime posted a recent article: http://www.haiku-os.org/articles/2009-10-30_how_work_webkit[20:07:03] <michaelvo> I can remmember of pthread improvements.. locale kit.. fonts folder reorganization, spicy keys integration, more bugfixes.[20:07:13] <mmadia> Haiku Inc published a proposed annual budget on the [haiku] mailing lists, detailing the expenses that absolutely need to be covered and items that we would like to finance.[20:07:37] <humdinger> mmadia: Yeah, thanks for that![20:07:44] *** crash_ has joined #haiku[20:08:01] <humdinger> I couldn't find anything to add to it...[20:08:11] <humdinger> I think it's that good :)[20:08:13] * Dane__ looks at the article[20:08:30] <mmadia> humdinger : :D personally, i'd love to somehow integrate it on the website.. something along the lines of Haikuware's bounty thermometer[20:08:33] *** [1]V0r73x has quit IRC[20:09:07] <humdinger> yep[20:09:15] <Dane__> "The WebKit port evolves really fast" --- sounds like they're busy on it![20:09:47] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[20:10:26] <mmadia> Dane__ : maxime may mean WebKit itself, as opposed to the haiku specific parts.[20:10:37] <humdinger> or that it's a moving target in the WebKit trunk...[20:10:50] <humdinger> Where's DaaT: http://www.avisoft.com/sounds/sheep.wav[20:11:51] <michaelvo> hahahahahah[20:12:34] <JonathanThompson> Maybe they're on drugs :P[20:12:45] <michaelvo> I send to him a video news from madrid.. sheeps invades that town! huahua[20:13:17] <The123king> Has anyone ever ported, or attempted to port, Audacity to BeOS/Haiku?[20:13:49] <Dane__> The123king I have never heard of it, but it would be nice![20:13:59] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[20:14:11] <Dane__> I mean, never heard of a port for BeOS/Haiku. I've heard of Audacity. :-)[20:14:19] <michaelvo> no.. I'm trying to port mplayer.. it builds.. but don't recognizes any videos[20:14:53] <JonathanThompson> Baah, that sheep noise is bahring, nothing special about it, humdinger :P[20:14:53] <The123king> Meh, VLC does me fine :)[20:15:06] <JonathanThompson> Does VLC enjoy it?[20:15:15] <humdinger> Hey, go to http://www.avisoft.com/sounds.htm and click as many play button as you can, each opening a MediaPlayer. Where's that loop setting?[20:15:19] <The123king> Sometimes[20:15:25] <The123king> sometime i'm a bit rough[20:15:54] <JonathanThompson> Are you saying you're a hard guy to deal with?[20:16:09] *** michaelvo has quit IRC[20:16:57] <The123king> well, one that VLC has a job with ;)[20:18:14] *** Dane__ has quit IRC[20:18:21] <The123king> sometimes we don't see eye-to-eye so i go and take advantage of MediaPlayer[20:19:07] <JonathanThompson> Poor MediaPlayer, being screwed over by The123king ;)[20:20:07] <The123king> Heh, they're both good fun in their own special ways[20:20:47] <JonathanThompson> So you like being in a sandwich?[20:21:00] *** michaelvo has joined #haiku[20:21:09] <JonathanThompson> VLC to the left of you, MediaPlayer to the right of you, there you are, stuck in the middle...[20:21:47] <The123king> Clowns to the left, jokers to the right, here i am, stuck in the middle with you....[20:22:05] <michaelvo> VLC is almost perfect.. but it don't reads recent .mp4 videos.. and lack of ffmpeg integration[20:22:06] <humdinger> Does MediaPlayer have problems with 16bit 22.05 kHz mono wave files?[20:23:32] <humdinger> Oh... it did work. Just hickuped on the short sound...[20:24:09] <helf> http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/[20:24:34] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[20:25:55] *** michaelvo has quit IRC[20:26:59] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[20:28:38] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[20:29:05] *** SiCuTDeUx__ has joined #haiku[20:29:19] *** SiCuTDeUx_ has quit IRC[20:29:38] *** raichoo has quit IRC[20:29:46] <humdinger> helf: hehehe. Is the Telegraph something like The Onion? LOL[20:29:58] <helf> No :P[20:30:35] <JonathanThompson> Megabites? Someone hungry for data?[20:30:47] <humdinger> "These alleged emails supposedly exchanged..." Love it![20:32:06] <helf> another side to the story[20:32:07] <helf> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/11/climate-hack/[20:32:15] <helf> :P[20:33:27] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[20:33:46] *** oco has joined #haiku[20:34:22] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[20:34:49] *** yamokidzu-it has joined #haiku[20:34:56] <helf> Here are the alleged files http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/5171206/Hadley_CRU_Files_(FOI2009.zip).5171206.TPB.torrent[20:35:05] <JonathanThompson> Random selection?[20:35:20] <JonathanThompson> In other words: they're releasing what they want you to read, context mangled :P[20:35:28] *** MadEchidna has joined #haiku[20:36:16] <kirilla> eep[20:36:25] <kirilla> wild eep[20:36:28] <helf> 157MB uncompressed[20:36:35] <helf> JonathanThompson, pretty much[20:36:42] * JonathanThompson reverses kirilla's eep and hands it back to him in a cup[20:36:44] <helf> JonathanThompson, which kinda defeats their purpose[20:38:06] * kirilla malcontent :I[20:38:40] * kirilla reverses cup on JonathanThompson's hand[20:38:46] *** sprma has quit IRC[20:38:47] <kirilla> and back[20:39:06] * JonathanThompson receives an eep, he thinks[20:39:21] * JonathanThompson prays it's an eep and not the other one[20:39:34] * kirilla content[20:39:44] <kirilla> and now, back to your regular scheduling![20:39:52] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[20:40:16] * kirilla ponders threaded irc clients :][20:40:34] * JonathanThompson threads kirilla clients ponderously[20:42:01] * kirilla treads on JonathanThompson's chilnets onerously[20:42:22] * JonathanThompson idly wonders what chilnets are[20:42:56] <kirilla> chill-net? :P maybe something like facebook[20:43:09] *** noisetonepause has joined #haiku[20:43:24] <helf> chillaz dude! lets go watch us some reality tv on chillNet(TM)[20:43:27] <JonathanThompson> Ah, a term I'd never seen/heard before you popped it up ;)[20:43:48] <JonathanThompson> And, for the mass murderer relaxing, they'd watch KillNet(TM)[20:43:59] <helf> *chillax[20:44:04] <helf> I HATE the 'word' chillax[20:44:13] <helf> It makes me want to crush the people that utter it[20:44:17] <helf> I get into a rage :P[20:44:19] <kirilla> chillax.. is that a word?[20:44:22] <helf> no[20:44:23] <kirilla> like relax?[20:44:31] <DraX> it's like satan[20:44:31] <helf> It is a bastardization of "chill" and "relax"[20:44:38] <DraX> god i hate that `word' too[20:44:38] <kirilla> oh man[20:44:44] <helf> spoken by morons[20:44:59] <helf> imho, that is ;)[20:45:12] <JonathanThompson> Or it may just be you, helf ;)[20:46:01] <helf> maybe[20:46:56] *** Captain_Pike has quit IRC[20:47:16] <CIA-69> jackburton * r34163 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/terminal/ (9 files):[20:47:16] <CIA-69> Cleanup: removed unused messages constant and classes, merged AppearPrefView[20:47:16] <CIA-69> with PrefView, moved main from Terminal.cpp to TermApp.cpp.[20:47:19] *** jan__64 has joined #haiku[20:48:03] <kirilla> so.. what "good deeds" can we cram into tonight's busy schedule.. hmmm... maybe watch a movie?[20:49:03] <kirilla> or clean up some code.. ooh! undecided.[20:49:20] <JonathanThompson> Stretch a cat! Stretch a cat![20:49:30] <kirilla> mince a marble?[20:49:32] <JonathanThompson> We don't want cats getting too stiff and inflexible, do we???[20:50:23] <kirilla> apparently "mince a marble" is a new and unique expression, according to google[20:50:25] <CIA-69> jackburton * r34164 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/terminal/ (AppearPrefView.h TermWindow.cpp): Fix the build[20:50:49] <JonathanThompson> What's it mean?[20:50:50] <kirilla> s/what I said/accordion to google[20:51:00] <JonathanThompson> Accordion?[20:51:13] * JonathanThompson imagines words being stretched/compressed and making funny noises in the process[20:52:43] * kirilla found himself offworld, furiously mincing marbles.[20:56:33] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[20:58:49] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[20:59:51] *** m0ns00n_ has joined #haiku[21:01:04] <kirilla> on a sane note, feels great to be through the work week. I wanna thank the architects of civilization for weekends.[21:01:38] <kirilla> and of course the long hard struggle of the working classes :))[21:01:47] <JonathanThompson> Hmmm.... weekends always happen, it's only a matter of labeling :P[21:02:05] <JonathanThompson> But, when they happen is purely a function of labeling.[21:02:14] <JonathanThompson> Weekends themselves are otherwise timeless times ;)[21:02:58] * JonathanThompson lets kirilla grok that parsing structure[21:03:07] <kirilla> I love timeless times :)[21:03:26] <kirilla> "I can haz more?[21:03:52] <kirilla> I'll grok you good, JonathanThompson![21:03:57] *** V0r73x has quit IRC[21:04:01] <kirilla> And then I'll grok some more. :P[21:04:12] * JonathanThompson runs EvasiveManeuvers.exe[21:04:56] * kirilla pervasively treads on JonathanThompson's focus shift[21:05:29] <kirilla> (and kills himself (kirilla) for lame sense of humor[21:05:33] * JonathanThompson shifts his threads into the closet so he can later come out of it, properly attired after rolling on through a rest period[21:07:10] <kirilla> hmm.. grok fail![21:07:39] *** V0r73x has joined #haiku[21:08:33] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[21:08:54] <kirilla> JonathanThompson: whatever happened to that IDE project of yours? On the proverbial backburner?[21:09:05] <JonathanThompson> Indefinitely, yes.[21:09:30] <JonathanThompson> It's impossible to really justify the time and effort when I've got so many other things that have a chance of getting me something.[21:09:58] <kirilla> I can understand that.[21:10:31] <JonathanThompson> A single person wanting to basically compete feature-wise with something like Visual Studio? Eeek![21:10:55] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[21:11:04] <kirilla> Maybe when llvm matures we can build something on top of it.[21:11:12] <JonathanThompson> All for a marginal % OS that most people have never heard of, where free things are expected :P[21:11:28] <JonathanThompson> Yes, I think I've read llvm would make things easier.[21:11:30] <kirilla> Or maybe Eclipse works sort of.[21:11:36] <JonathanThompson> Tie-ins to the parser/lexer.[21:11:42] *** dwarfyperson has joined #haiku[21:11:45] <JonathanThompson> Isn't Eclipse Java-based?[21:12:04] <kirilla> Yes, but it should support editing/refactoring C++ code.[21:12:13] <kirilla> meaning, I think it does[21:12:16] <JonathanThompson> Well, first Java needs to be ported :P[21:12:27] <kirilla> ahah .. yes.. true :))[21:12:34] *** humdinger has quit IRC[21:12:37] <kirilla> minor detail[21:12:42] <JonathanThompson> I'm not against Eclipse, but.... that's got that dependency issue :P[21:12:57] <kirilla> positively tiny[21:13:07] <kirilla> :)))[21:13:24] * JonathanThompson puts on his hip boots to wade through the dripping sarcasm puddles[21:13:32] <AlienSoldier> i don't see a bright future for java[21:13:33] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[21:13:54] <JonathanThompson> Well, let's face it, AlienSoldier: Java is by nature dark ;)[21:14:19] <kirilla> the little I've used Java has been fun, but it's standard classes.. I don't know[21:14:39] <AlienSoldier> other than oracle and perhaps ibm, is there any big player that really want to push it?[21:14:44] <kirilla> someone should free java from java[21:14:56] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[21:15:12] <tqh> hasn't the gnu guys done that as well..[21:15:19] * JonathanThompson thinks it'd be fitting if Java were used to control all of Starbuck's systems including coffee making devices[21:15:30] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[21:15:36] <dwarfyperson> yeah, but that's gonna be gpl'd[21:15:47] <kirilla> tqh: Isn't that just a reimplementation of the same classes?[21:15:59] <tqh> ah, you want other ones :)[21:16:02] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[21:17:26] *** yamokidzu-it is now known as ^kenhoob-it1[21:20:09] *** ricardojose has quit IRC[21:20:49] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[21:21:16] <kirilla> tqh: maybe :)[21:21:27] <kirilla> I don't know Java all that well yet.[21:21:46] *** dwarfyperson is now known as eisenawesome[21:22:07] <JonathanThompson> It's like a more verbose C++ without operator overloading, pointers, has protocols/interfaces, and garbage collection and no header files :P[21:22:27] <JonathanThompson> What's there to know of the language itself? :D[21:22:35] *** HaikuBot has quit IRC[21:22:37] *** sarek has left #haiku[21:25:56] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[21:28:45] <kirilla> kitchensink++[21:28:47] *** noisetonepause has quit IRC[21:29:08] <JonathanThompson> You ate my yellowpage and you wear a dress?[21:29:11] <JonathanThompson> Wow....[21:29:50] <kirilla> wha? (me is dumbstruck)[21:30:01] <JonathanThompson> helf: you post curious links to audio recordings from phone calls :P[21:30:22] <kirilla> curiouser and curiouser[21:31:06] * JonathanThompson looks out for the jabberwocky[21:31:51] *** jan__64 has left #haiku[21:32:13] <eisenawesome> what?[21:32:15] <eisenawesome> where?[21:32:17] * eisenawesome hides[21:32:22] <JonathanThompson> http://stereoabuse.blogspot.com/2009/06/joshco-this-is-anthony-vol-1.html[21:32:34] <JonathanThompson> Wait, the jabberwocky isn't there, but it's close![21:32:49] <m0ns00n_> Nuff said: Java isn't cross platform compatible (for apps)[21:33:01] <m0ns00n_> It has problems when running one binary on Linux, Mac and Windows[21:33:07] <JonathanThompson> Right: it's not available for iPhone, so what good is it? :P[21:33:07] <m0ns00n_> which defeats the whole purpose[21:33:15] <eisenawesome> which is why java is useless[21:33:16] <eisenawesome> :P[21:33:23] <eisenawesome> well[21:33:25] <eisenawesome> I lie[21:33:30] <eisenawesome> mostly useless[21:33:33] <JonathanThompson> Like a rug?[21:33:54] <m0ns00n_> I tried running a java app on Mac the other day[21:33:56] <eisenawesome> are rugs mostly useless?[21:33:57] <CIA-69> jackburton * r34165 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/terminal/ (TermView.cpp TermView.h TermWindow.cpp TermWindow.h):[21:33:57] <CIA-69> TermView doesn't know about PrefHandler anymore (again), so that, in case[21:33:57] <CIA-69> it's used as replicant (but I think it won't work anymore, yet),[21:33:57] <CIA-69> it doesn't influence the global settings.[21:33:57] <CIA-69> TermWindow saves the preferences on quit, if the PrefWindow was never[21:33:58] <leszek> n8@all[21:34:00] <CIA-69> instantiated. This allows the window size to be saved also when it's[21:34:02] *** leszek has quit IRC[21:34:02] <CIA-69> resized manually (not via menu).[21:34:04] <m0ns00n_> It said it needed the newest version[21:34:09] <m0ns00n_> So I tried to find it on Sun.com[21:34:11] <kirilla> I wonder if Go is as an actual systems programming language, as it's claimed to be.[21:34:20] <m0ns00n_> It said, "Apple distributes its own version of java"[21:34:21] <m0ns00n_> Nuff said.[21:34:22] <m0ns00n_> :)[21:34:35] <JonathanThompson> So much for write once, run everywhere :)[21:34:40] <m0ns00n_> Yes[21:34:46] <m0ns00n_> It's the good old, write once, run on Windows.[21:34:46] <m0ns00n_> :)[21:34:49] <eisenawesome> long live dis[21:34:58] <JonathanThompson> Thinking about it, I'm thinking bash scripts are more portable in practice :P[21:35:01] <m0ns00n_> Java is as portable (it seems) as c.[21:35:08] <kirilla> I mean, how well Go works as a system programming language, like for low-level parts of operating systems, etc.[21:35:09] <m0ns00n_> JonathanThompson, True true =)[21:35:33] *** korli has joined #haiku[21:35:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[21:35:33] <eisenawesome> well[21:35:39] <eisenawesome> bash has been ported to everything ever[21:35:44] <eisenawesome> so they pretty much are[21:35:56] * JonathanThompson wonders if bash comes standard on the iPhone OS[21:36:08] <kirilla> eisenawesome: dis-respect! ;)[21:36:17] <eisenawesome> :P[21:36:51] <kirilla> eisenawesome: is that the current or the previous language of plan9?[21:37:00] <eisenawesome> dis was from inferno[21:37:09] <eisenawesome> which was based on plan9 I think[21:37:19] <kirilla> mmm, yes[21:37:21] <eisenawesome> I read all this a few months ago[21:37:29] <eisenawesome> wikipedia <3[21:37:41] <kirilla> vito nuovo was a try to commercialization of plan9[21:37:47] *** MadEchidna has quit IRC[21:37:55] <kirilla> damn enter key :)[21:38:10] <JonathanThompson> Now you need a matched exit key :)[21:38:17] <kirilla> I should have override it with left-ctrl + enter[21:43:58] <kirilla> if I was omnipotent I'd take all my spelling errors and shuffle them onto some other guy[21:44:13] <JonathanThompson> Like helf ?[21:44:16] <JonathanThompson> Too late![21:44:21] <kirilla> yeah, probably helf[21:45:03] <CIA-69> jackburton * r34166 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/terminal/Terminal.cpp: Forgot to delete this[21:45:17] <JonathanThompson> helf doesn't need added errors :)[21:45:48] <kirilla> me hums: "helf! I need someone.. helf! Not just anyone..."[21:46:11] <JonathanThompson> Can anyone helf me please?[21:46:17] <kirilla> ahh.. now I have to kill myself twice[21:46:29] <helf> of for helfing sakes[21:46:36] *** MadEchidna has joined #haiku[21:46:57] <JonathanThompson> A helf in the bush is worth about two Kleenex :P[21:47:21] * kirilla scratches beard[21:47:30] * JonathanThompson shaves off beard[21:48:41] *** MYOB has joined #haiku[21:56:00] *** noisetonepause has joined #haiku[21:58:26] *** phalax has quit IRC[21:58:45] *** phalax has joined #haiku[22:01:47] *** korli_ has joined #haiku[22:12:42] *** brrant has joined #haiku[22:14:52] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[22:15:28] *** korli has quit IRC[22:19:39] *** kitallis has quit IRC[22:21:31] <kirilla> catch you on the flip side![22:21:36] *** kirilla has quit IRC[22:28:03] *** fhein has quit IRC[22:35:12] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[22:39:29] *** The123king has quit IRC[22:43:06] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[22:43:19] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[22:43:39] *** [r4] has quit IRC[22:45:23] *** AngrySausage has joined #haiku[22:45:31] <AngrySausage> woot[22:45:42] <AngrySausage> greetz from the free Google WiFi :)[22:51:04] *** xcasex has joined #haiku[22:52:59] *** MadEchidna has quit IRC[22:53:42] *** MrSunshine__ has joined #haiku[22:59:38] *** phalax has quit IRC[22:59:39] *** AngrySausage has quit IRC[23:04:47] *** V0r73x has quit IRC[23:08:00] *** phalax has joined #haiku[23:09:32] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[23:10:22] *** H_MrSun has quit IRC[23:10:48] *** MrSunshine_ has quit IRC[23:12:35] *** dru_ has quit IRC[23:15:27] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[23:17:27] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[23:20:18] *** luroh has joined #haiku[23:23:49] *** MadEchidna has joined #haiku[23:25:42] *** noisetonepause has quit IRC[23:28:34] <jmayfield> hi[23:29:04] <CIA-69> jackburton * r34167 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/terminal/ (FindWindow.cpp FindWindow.h):[23:29:04] <CIA-69> Converted the Terminal Find Window to the layout api keeping (more or less)[23:29:04] <CIA-69> the previous look.[23:29:04] <CIA-69> Would be nice if the window was a bit wider, but I don't know how to force[23:29:04] <CIA-69> that (accepting advices).[23:29:05] <DraX> hello[23:29:37] <jmayfield> zsh[23:29:39] <jmayfield> oops[23:29:40] <jmayfield> heh[23:32:27] *** joshc has quit IRC[23:32:29] *** H_MrSun has joined #haiku[23:32:44] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[23:32:53] * JonathanThompson poits jmayfield[23:33:09] *** mmadia has quit IRC[23:33:27] <jmayfield> JonathanThompson: how'd it go?[23:34:47] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[23:36:19] *** mmadia has quit IRC[23:36:32] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[23:44:30] *** MegafEee is now known as LinuxUser[23:44:30] *** miqlas has quit IRC[23:44:48] *** LinuxUser is now known as MegafEee[23:45:00] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:48:48] *** PasNox has quit IRC[23:49:33] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[23:51:05] <JonathanThompson> Seems it went well enough, jmayfield[23:51:30] <CIA-69> jackburton * r34168 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/terminal/ (AppearPrefView.cpp PrefWindow.cpp): Tweak a bit the layout of the preference window.[23:57:24] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[23:57:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man