November 18, 2009 
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Good night... or day, depending on your timezone.[02:09:49] <kirilla> that makes sense, thanks for condensing it like that :)[02:10:12] *** phoudoin has quit IRC[02:10:39] * kirilla can haz executive summary![02:16:15] * JonathanThompson restates kirilla from the 30,000 foot view[02:16:18] <JonathanThompson> SPLAT![02:16:39] <kirilla> heh[02:17:23] <JonathanThompson> Next time, remember to pack (correctly!) your parachute, lest you be good to the last drop :P[02:18:10] <kirilla> It would do me no good, as the mere shock of falling would kill me.[02:19:09] <JonathanThompson> Well, at least it'd be a neat mess to clean up, as opposed to you doing a full-speed dead-kirilla bounce ;)[02:20:08] <kirilla> I think I'll slip out the backdoor on that scenario. :)[02:21:17] *** MadEchidna has quit IRC[02:22:30] *** raichoo has quit IRC[02:23:58] <kirilla> I'm trying to build the packagefs, but I can't seem to set up everything so it compiles, as I assume it does for Ingo.[02:24:28] <kirilla> Anybody tried it successfully?[02:24:36] <JonathanThompson> Or perhaps there's a dastardly plot to drive you insane, kirilla: one of these possibilities must be correct![02:24:55] <kirilla> Oh, I'm sure![02:24:58] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[02:25:24] * JonathanThompson is an optimistic pessimist[02:26:02] <kirilla> I'm more of a pessimistic optimist.[02:28:00] <JonathanThompson> And how do you characterize that?[02:28:10] <JonathanThompson> I'm absolutely positive things are going to go horribly wrong![02:28:17] <JonathanThompson> (Hence my description)[02:29:38] <kirilla> heh[02:32:07] <kirilla> it could mean.. that I have a way too optimistic self-image to admit that I am in truth frolicking in pessimism!..[02:33:25] <JonathanThompson> Could be![02:39:34] *** gtaw has joined #haiku[02:40:37] *** oco has quit IRC[02:49:13] *** SuPeRhOmEm has quit IRC[02:55:32] *** H_MrSun has quit IRC[03:02:59] *** kirilla has quit IRC[03:03:04] *** brrant has quit IRC[03:11:42] *** fly-away has quit IRC[03:22:22] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[03:29:42] *** rogueeve has quit IRC[03:30:07] *** MadEchidna has joined #haiku[03:47:09] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:52:19] *** gtaw has quit IRC[03:52:34] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[03:57:23] *** Captain_Pike has joined #haiku[04:03:51] *** NathanP has joined #Haiku[04:04:08] <NathanP> I just found out that I have two CPU's on this machine. Thanks, Haiku.[04:04:14] <NathanP> Put that in a commercial. :p[04:06:07] <helf|laptop> LOL[04:06:09] <helf|laptop> which machine?[04:06:19] <NathanP> The Dimension I bought off eBay.[04:06:25] <NathanP> I swear, I need to actually check these specs.[04:06:35] <helf|laptop> what is the cpu family?[04:06:36] <NathanP> But finding out what it has inside by surprise is also pretty fun. :p[04:06:42] <helf|laptop> :P[04:06:45] <NathanP> Looks like two P4's.[04:06:57] <NathanP> Which leads me to suspect whoever owned this is on the nutty side of things.[04:06:57] <helf|laptop> its either a pentium D or a hyperthreading p4[04:07:11] <NathanP> True.[04:07:21] <NathanP> Might be a PD.[04:07:22] <helf|laptop> unless it has a dual xeon board in it[04:07:30] <NathanP> I need to open it up and check.[04:07:38] <helf|laptop> but xeons are hyperthreading iirc, unless its a really early netburst xeon[04:07:49] <helf|laptop> how much did you pay for it?[04:08:00] <NathanP> About 150 or so dollars.[04:08:08] <helf|laptop> not bad[04:08:14] <helf|laptop> how much ram does it have? :)[04:08:22] <NathanP> 1GB is what it comes with.[04:08:27] <NathanP> Planning on upping that.[04:09:04] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku[04:12:56] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[04:17:36] *** gtaw has joined #haiku[04:17:49] *** kokito has joined #haiku[04:25:12] <umccullough> house inspection went well today :)[04:25:37] <kokito> house inspection? are you selling?[04:27:14] <umccullough> buying[04:27:26] <kokito> ah, ok[04:27:30] <kokito> whereabouts?[04:27:32] <umccullough> http://picasaweb.google.com/umccullough/NewHouse#[04:27:41] <umccullough> about 15 minutes from where i currently live[04:27:45] <umccullough> it's not for me to live in :P[04:28:04] <helf|laptop> nice :D[04:28:39] <kokito> indeed[04:29:27] <kokito> is that one house?[04:29:31] <umccullough> honestly, i can't afford to live in it[04:29:35] <umccullough> yes, one house[04:29:44] <kokito> wow, nice balcony[04:29:54] <umccullough> it's ~3600 sq ft[04:30:05] <kokito> looks bigger than that[04:30:16] <NathanP> Looks like a nice house.[04:30:38] <umccullough> has some issues[04:30:44] <kokito> looks like it is in pretty good shape inside[04:30:47] <umccullough> will need a new roof and gutters ASAP[04:30:52] <umccullough> inside is good, yes[04:31:13] <helf|laptop> umccullough, love the separate two car garage[04:31:14] <kokito> I am pretty sure you got a good deal :)[04:31:25] <umccullough> i think so ;)[04:31:49] <kokito> now is the time to buy if you have or can get the $$$[04:32:18] <umccullough> gonna rent it out for now[04:32:24] <umccullough> once escrow closes[04:33:02] <NathanP> Good luck with all the trees.[04:33:06] <umccullough> heh[04:33:08] <NathanP> Fall is going to be fun for you. ;)[04:33:21] <umccullough> as you can see... it already happened :P[04:36:41] * JonathanThompson poits helf|laptop[04:36:46] <[Katisu]> tile walkway seems strange :P[04:37:00] <umccullough> yeah, i'm not fond of the flagrant use of tile[04:37:08] <JonathanThompson> Hey, why not? Need to walk on something, preferably without leaving ruts in the dirt, right?[04:37:22] <JonathanThompson> (That could be a PITA if you were in a location with snow buildup)[04:37:23] <NathanP> Can I compliment you on your new bathroom, umccullough?[04:37:40] <umccullough> lol, i won't be living there, so sure![04:37:51] <NathanP> Oh, good.[04:37:55] <NathanP> I saw about five bathrooms.[04:37:57] <[Katisu]> hey, you can play chess or checkers in a couple of those rooms[04:38:00] <NathanP> That'd drive me insane.[04:38:05] <umccullough> only 2.5 bathrooms[04:38:20] <umccullough> yeah, the basement is peel-n-stick checkboard :P[04:38:26] <JonathanThompson> :P[04:38:30] <helf|laptop> hi jt[04:38:39] <NathanP> Why does the basement remind me of a Harry Potter movie?[04:38:56] <helf|laptop> you have a three headed dog in it?[04:38:58] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps that's where they filmed part of it? :P[04:39:03] <helf|laptop> and giant chess pieces?[04:40:25] <NathanP> The floor would drive me insane.[04:40:34] <NathanP> Going from room to room with checkored tiles.[04:41:05] <JonathanThompson> NathanP: and that'd be different from your mental state, how?[04:41:08] <JonathanThompson> :X[04:41:09] <kokito> yeah, that's kind of psychedelic[04:41:35] <NathanP> Need I get another compiling song for Haiku out, JonathanThompson?[04:41:49] <NathanP> I wrote one in the tune of "Bodies."[04:41:51] * JonathanThompson hides and seeks out shelter from NathanP's insanity[04:42:13] <JonathanThompson> I've got my own form of insanity to keep me company, that's bad enough! :O[04:42:21] <helf|laptop> ^[04:42:24] <[Katisu]> umccullough, what's across the street? almost looks like it could be golf course[04:42:38] <umccullough> yup[04:42:40] <kokito> damn! Dreamhost has been pretty sucky lately...[04:43:00] <helf|laptop> turned into a nightmare? :)[04:43:08] <kokito> yeah, more or less[04:43:20] <NathanP> kokito, you mean Dreamhost, the crappy, low-cost "Unlimited" web host?[04:43:45] <NathanP> I've used many web hosts in my time.[04:43:50] <NathanP> From good, to insanely bad.[04:43:53] <kokito> NathanP: that one[04:44:03] <NathanP> One of the worst is Cirtex Hosting.[04:44:11] <kokito> although DH has been pretty good for me, until very recently[04:44:12] <NathanP> They won't even answer your support messages.[04:44:22] <NathanP> SiteGround is a joke and a half.[04:44:22] * [Katisu] hasn't noticed any problems with DH[04:45:09] <kokito> [Katisu] do you use DH?[04:45:22] <NathanP> MMHosting is by far one of the best, in my opinion.[04:45:30] <NathanP> And I'm talking for no real reason.[04:46:00] <umccullough> i just found out the other day that for each domain registered with godaddy, they give you one free hosting account[04:46:11] <umccullough> but i think the fineprint claims it's ad-supported :P[04:46:19] <NathanP> I hate ad-supported.[04:46:37] <NathanP> Especially the popups ones...[04:47:02] <[Katisu]> kokito, yes I use it, probably don't make changes as often[04:47:41] <NathanP> Anyone use Media Temple?[04:48:05] <kokito> [Katisu] I have been using them for about one year, and it's been good until about one month ago. don't know what happened, but the last fours weeks have been problem after problem[04:48:19] <NathanP> Like what, kokito?[04:48:25] <kokito> email down[04:48:28] <kokito> DB down[04:48:35] <kokito> DB slow[04:48:53] <kokito> sites down for no apparent reason[04:48:58] <NathanP> Sounds like the age old issue with hosts like Dreamhost: They are a shared host.[04:49:07] <kokito> email and DB problems have been recurring[04:49:10] <NathanP> They cram on too many sites to one server with their "Unlimited" offering.[04:49:24] <kokito> NathanP: could be[04:49:50] <NathanP> I hate web hosts that claim that unlimited garbage.[04:50:33] <JonathanThompson> Give you a finite limit, and everyone else on the site a finite limit, and deliver it, and state what that limit is...[04:50:54] <JonathanThompson> That's the best you can hope to get: a realistic statement of what you can/can't do, and have it delivered as stated.[04:51:04] <NathanP> Indeed.[04:51:35] <NathanP> Media Temple's had DB issues for a few months, but I stuck by them and things are now in the clear.[04:58:17] <kokito> argh... COMCAST's new website totally sux...[04:58:50] <NathanP> .com or .net?[04:59:00] <NathanP> Because .net makes me want to throw-up.[04:59:08] <kokito> com[04:59:31] <kokito> their customer service was pretty good (as in, easy to use)[04:59:56] <kokito> they have "redesigned" it, and it is really bad[05:00:04] <NathanP> Yes, I think it is.[05:00:13] <NathanP> I prefer simplistic designs.[05:00:25] <NathanP> Everything here is just squished together.[05:01:19] <JonathanThompson> kokito: does it require Flash?[05:01:26] * JonathanThompson hasn't paid attention lately[05:01:37] <NathanP> No Flash.[05:01:38] <JonathanThompson> Years ago, the only webmail solution comcast had required Flash.[05:01:46] <NathanP> I HATE Flash.[05:01:49] <JonathanThompson> At least, that was the case in Indianapolis.[05:01:55] <NathanP> I knew bank sites that used only Flash to login.[05:02:00] <JonathanThompson> I wanted to beat them upside the head with something nasty.[05:02:08] <helf|laptop> wtf[05:02:12] <helf|laptop> how is that secure?[05:02:18] <JonathanThompson> Or accessible?[05:02:18] <kokito> JonathanThompson: no flash[05:02:37] <JonathanThompson> Those banks clearly hate their customers with an abiding passion :P[05:02:39] <NathanP> I have no freaking idea what makes them think Flash is secure.[05:02:46] <NathanP> They probably just think "Cool animations!"[05:02:50] <helf|laptop> lol[05:03:17] <umccullough> heh, maybe it's an animation of a lock being raped in the ass[05:05:19] <NathanP> I'd love to see that.[05:05:29] <NathanP> If I had to make a Flash login, it'd feature clippy.[05:05:40] <NathanP> And it'd ask if you're sure you want to login every time you click submit.[05:05:45] <NathanP> And then it'd never stop.[05:05:59] <umccullough> "it looks like you're trying to login, would you like some help?"[05:06:10] <NathanP> "No"[05:06:18] <NathanP> "Are you sure, you seem pretty incompetent!"[05:06:20] <NathanP> "Yes"[05:06:28] <NathanP> "User's an idiot. Replace to login."[05:07:06] <NathanP> Then when you actually login, have it read "This connection is not encrypted. Powered by the Bank of Nigeria."[05:07:43] <umccullough> in that case, clippy pops back up and tells you he recently inherited a large sum of money[05:08:03] <NathanP> Clippy hits on you?[05:09:34] <NathanP> Clippy "Dear Dearest One." "My name is Monica Clippy, I am the only daughter of late Mr Johnson Clippy who was the Director of the Coffee export business in Bouake the northern city of Abidjan the Economic Capital of Ivory Coast."[05:10:10] <NathanP> Yes, I do save these spam emails to my email.[05:10:14] <NathanP> Saved folder.*[05:10:15] * JonathanThompson Clippy's NathanP's wings of Love Connection[05:10:20] <NathanP> Sometimes, I even reply.[05:10:51] <JonathanThompson> I suspect you have many penis enlargement spams you've saved, too, for a rainy day :P[05:11:07] <NathanP> No, just the bank scams.[05:11:38] <NathanP> I once pretended to be a bum on the streets who just stole a guy's BlackBerry.[05:19:46] *** ukev has quit IRC[05:26:13] <kokito> dinner time here[05:26:16] <kokito> bye folks![05:28:36] *** kokito has quit IRC[05:35:05] *** joeyadams has joined #haiku[05:39:13] *** NathanP has quit IRC[05:40:01] *** Shoozza has joined #haiku[05:46:37] *** knottnhupfer has joined #haiku[05:53:54] *** xvedejas has quit IRC[06:01:28] *** gtaw has quit IRC[06:02:40] *** Captain_Pike has quit IRC[06:18:09] *** triplez_ has joined #haiku[06:20:48] *** triplez has quit IRC[06:20:54] *** triplez__ has joined #haiku[06:21:12] *** triplez__ is now known as triplez[06:24:41] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[06:24:58] <Skipp_OSX> can you build a C project using Jam on Windows?[06:30:11] *** triplez_ has quit IRC[06:30:18] *** H_MrSun_ has joined #haiku[06:32:17] *** H_MrSun_ has quit IRC[06:32:33] *** H_MrSun has joined #haiku[06:32:49] <OmniMancer> should be able to[06:33:48] <Skipp_OSX> OmniMancer: I am thinking of replacing an automake based project with Jam because I am fed up with autotools[06:34:26] <Skipp_OSX> but it has to run on Windows unfortunately[06:35:10] <OmniMancer> AFAIK jam works on windows[06:35:15] <OmniMancer> boost does/used to use it[06:36:15] <H_MrSun> who had ported dmd to haiku ?[06:36:26] <Skipp_OSX> OmniMancer: it is a pure C program so boost will not be necessary[06:36:28] <OmniMancer> don't know[06:37:03] <OmniMancer> Skipp_OSX: I am saying that boost uses a slightly modified version of jam for building some of its stuff so yes it works on windows[06:54:31] *** haiku has joined #haiku[06:55:33] *** Geoz has quit IRC[06:58:23] *** haiku has quit IRC[07:00:36] <H_MrSun> app server seems to be leaking memory somewhere :)[07:00:40] <H_MrSun> its up at 100mb atm[07:00:50] <H_MrSun> running for 2 days[07:01:01] <H_MrSun> no 1 day :)[07:04:50] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[07:05:34] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[07:08:21] <Skipp_OSX> H_MrSun: valgrind to the rescue?[07:11:52] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[07:17:29] <JonathanThompson> Is there a valgrind port for Haiku?[07:19:41] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[07:24:43] *** rbi has quit IRC[07:25:24] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[07:32:23] *** fhein has joined #haiku[07:37:31] *** redblue has quit IRC[07:39:54] *** redblue has joined #haiku[07:40:09] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[07:43:39] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[07:58:33] *** egarim has joined #haiku[08:01:12] *** triplez has quit IRC[08:01:12] *** egarim has left #haiku[08:19:45] <H_MrSun> suck, one in #d.tango that compared haiku to ubuntu ...[08:19:53] <H_MrSun> should be kicked in the balls for that[08:23:50] *** sprma has joined #haiku[08:28:52] *** prOSy has joined #haiku[08:30:21] <gwenael> matin[08:30:43] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[08:37:37] *** sprma has quit IRC[08:41:16] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[08:42:33] *** rbi has joined #haiku[08:43:42] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[08:44:07] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[08:56:59] *** echelog has joined #haiku[08:57:13] *** rbi has joined #haiku[08:57:25] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[08:57:38] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[09:00:42] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[09:00:50] *** Syn- has joined #haiku[09:00:56] *** peerkoel has joined #haiku[09:02:10] *** OmniMancer2 has joined #haiku[09:02:24] *** MadEchidna has joined #haiku[09:03:14] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[09:03:55] *** fhein has joined #haiku[09:09:27] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[09:10:46] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[09:10:59] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[09:12:49] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[09:17:30] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[09:18:02] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[09:23:42] *** OmniMancer2 has quit IRC[09:25:06] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[09:38:30] *** |Qeos| has joined #haiku[09:43:03] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[09:45:24] *** mih has joined #haiku[09:50:35] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[09:52:09] *** mih has quit IRC[09:53:59] *** joeyadams has quit IRC[09:54:43] <CIA-69> stippi * r34104 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/tracker/ (FSUtils.cpp StatusWindow.cpp StatusWindow.h):[09:54:43] <CIA-69> The usage of BStatusWindow::HasStatus() was really bogus. First of all[09:54:43] <CIA-69> HasStatus() and UpdateStatus() were not run in the same lock, so the job[09:54:43] <CIA-69> view could be gone anyway. And secondly, both methods iterate over all status[09:54:44] <CIA-69> items to find the one with the correct thread. Doh, if we don't have enough[09:54:46] <CIA-69> work to do, lets make some! Of course this was not critical in any case...[09:55:24] <CIA-69> stippi * r34105 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/tracker/ (AutoMounter.cpp AutoMounter.h):[09:55:24] <CIA-69> Seems like I have forgot to commit deleting the AutoMounter code from Tracker[09:55:24] <CIA-69> back then?[09:57:19] *** Qeos has quit IRC[10:07:36] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[10:08:00] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[10:16:35] *** markos__ has joined #haiku[10:22:57] *** prOSy has quit IRC[10:42:38] *** echelog has joined #haiku[10:43:20] *** Mazon has quit IRC[10:47:16] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[10:47:39] <CIA-69> stippi * r34106 /haiku/trunk/ (headers/os/storage/Volume.h src/kits/storage/Volume.cpp):[10:47:39] <CIA-69> Added method BlockSize() to get the block size of the underlying file system.[10:47:39] <CIA-69> Untested but with good chances to actually work.[10:50:34] *** sprma has joined #haiku[10:51:50] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[10:53:57] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[10:54:54] *** Mazon has joined #haiku[11:21:22] <CIA-69> stippi * r34107 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/tracker/FSUtils.cpp:[11:21:22] <CIA-69> * Some cleanup for 80 chars/line limit[11:21:22] <CIA-69> * The target volume block size is passed to the CalcItemsAndSize() function[11:21:22] <CIA-69> to get a more accurate picture of whether items will fit. Before, it would[11:21:22] <CIA-69> assume hard coded 1024 bytes block size.[11:22:28] *** Kroki`sl33p is now known as Kroki[11:23:03] *** sprma has quit IRC[11:26:03] *** markos_ has quit IRC[11:29:21] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[11:33:14] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[11:33:29] <CIA-69> axeld * r34108 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs):[11:33:29] <CIA-69> * BWindow::SendBehind(NULL) will now send the window to back.[11:33:29] <CIA-69> * Added shortcuts ctrl-alt-F to get a window to front, and ctrl-alt-b to move it[11:33:29] <CIA-69> to the back.[11:33:29] <CIA-69> * Updated the user guide with these shortcuts, and also explained the missing[11:33:30] <CIA-69> "single click to bring window to front" behaviour.[11:35:22] *** sprma has joined #haiku[11:48:29] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[11:48:42] <CIA-69> axeld * r34109 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs):[11:48:42] <CIA-69> * Added a BWindow::InViewTransaction() that determines whether or not the[11:48:42] <CIA-69> window is currently updating its drawings as suggested by Stippi.[11:48:42] <CIA-69> * Add this method to decide whether to call _FontChanged() in[11:48:42] <CIA-69> BListView::SetFont().[11:50:26] *** ari2-free has joined #haiku[11:58:24] *** Kroki is now known as Kroki`sch00l[12:05:01] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[12:05:37] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[12:09:38] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[12:09:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o aldeck[12:09:43] *** adamk has joined #haiku[12:11:08] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[12:25:13] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[12:26:05] *** wildur has quit IRC[12:27:13] *** HaikUbuntu has joined #haiku[12:31:01] *** redblue has quit IRC[12:31:05] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[12:38:16] *** ukev has joined #haiku[12:39:07] *** triplez has joined #haiku[12:40:31] <CIA-69> axeld * r34110 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/Desktop.cpp:[12:40:31] <CIA-69> * Fixed focus behaviour of FFM on workspace switch - let SetFocusWindow() decide[12:40:31] <CIA-69> which window to give focus, it already does the right thing.[12:42:19] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[12:43:44] *** redblue has joined #haiku[12:47:27] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[12:51:07] *** yamokidzu-it has joined #haiku[12:53:51] *** sprma has quit IRC[12:56:41] *** phalax has quit IRC[13:00:56] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[13:01:29] *** triplez has quit IRC[13:03:58] *** phalax has joined #haiku[13:09:58] *** aldeck has quit IRC[13:11:26] *** redblue has quit IRC[13:23:00] *** dflemstr has joined #haiku[13:26:11] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[13:38:55] <CIA-69> axeld * r34111 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/input_server/devices/keyboard/KeyboardInputDevice.cpp: * Cleanup.[13:39:09] *** raichoo has quit IRC[13:42:34] *** HaikUbuntu has quit IRC[13:45:46] *** DuvJones has joined #haiku[13:47:26] *** yamokidzu-it has quit IRC[13:56:37] <waveshaper> man, ubuntu support rules.. heh[13:57:09] *** DuvJones has quit IRC[14:00:12] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[14:14:30] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[14:20:59] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[14:21:00] *** HaikuBot1 has joined #haiku[14:21:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o aldeck[14:30:09] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[14:34:28] *** Andrius has quit IRC[14:35:09] *** triplez has joined #haiku[14:36:09] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[14:37:11] *** triplez has quit IRC[14:39:38] *** HaikuBot has quit IRC[14:39:44] *** triplez has joined #haiku[14:44:51] *** MadEchidna has quit IRC[14:45:57] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[14:46:58] *** dru_ has joined #haiku[14:47:05] <CIA-69> axeld * r34112 /haiku/trunk/src/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[14:47:05] <CIA-69> * For dead keys, the keyboard input device now sends a B_UNMAPPED_KEY_DOWN[14:47:05] <CIA-69> event.[14:47:05] <CIA-69> * This allows applications to listen to keys independent to their dead key[14:47:05] <CIA-69> status.[14:47:05] <CIA-69> * The app_server keyboard filter now also check for B_UNMAPPED_KEY_DOWN.[14:49:15] <CIA-69> axeld * r34113 /haiku/trunk/docs/userguide/en/workspaces.html: * Corrected Alt-` workspace switch description.[14:49:30] *** crash_ has joined #haiku[14:51:34] *** baia has joined #haiku[14:51:53] *** triplez has quit IRC[14:53:46] *** triplez has joined #haiku[15:09:58] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[15:18:15] *** baia_ has joined #haiku[15:25:29] *** baia has quit IRC[15:29:26] *** raichoo has quit IRC[15:32:55] *** Silicon_Wolf has joined #haiku[15:47:03] *** Sloar has joined #haiku[15:48:32] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[15:50:16] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[15:58:16] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[16:03:44] *** HaikuBot1 has quit IRC[16:03:55] <CIA-69> axeld * r34114 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ (Desktop.cpp Desktop.h):[16:03:55] <CIA-69> * Made the Alt-Shift-Fx behaviour consistent with Ctrl-Alt-Shift-Arrow (ie.[16:03:55] <CIA-69> take the active window to the new workspace).[16:04:52] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[16:06:14] <helf> booo[16:06:22] <helf> ship time on this laptop is 2-3 weeks[16:06:57] *** triplez has quit IRC[16:10:17] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[16:15:07] *** Kroki`sch00l is now known as Kroki[16:19:35] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[16:20:58] *** Hugen has quit IRC[16:23:53] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[16:25:09] *** sprma has joined #haiku[16:26:08] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34115 /haiku/trunk/src/ (15 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)[16:26:08] <CIA-69> * Added new interface BufferCache -- basically a memory allocator with the[16:26:08] <CIA-69> option to cache a freed buffer -- and implementations[16:26:08] <CIA-69> BlockBufferCache{NoLock,Kernel}.[16:26:08] <CIA-69> * ZlibPackageDataReader does now dynamically get its read and uncompress[16:26:09] <CIA-69> buffers from a provided BufferCache when needed.[16:26:13] <CIA-69> * Allocating the buffers once and keeping them over the whole life time was a[16:27:13] *** pfoetche1 has joined #haiku[16:29:18] *** hoelzro has joined #haiku[16:32:33] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[16:34:32] *** fran has quit IRC[16:36:51] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[16:43:32] * JonathanThompson poits helf[16:48:48] *** Hugen is now known as Hugen_bbl[16:51:33] *** HeTo has quit IRC[16:52:19] <helf> hi[16:56:08] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[16:56:17] *** triplez has joined #haiku[16:57:49] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[16:59:14] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[17:01:13] *** HeTo has quit IRC[17:04:30] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[17:07:22] *** dru--_ has joined #haiku[17:07:52] *** dru--_ has quit IRC[17:07:53] *** dru_ has quit IRC[17:08:19] *** dru_ has joined #haiku[17:13:47] *** Skfly has joined #haiku[17:15:37] <Skfly> Is it support here to?[17:16:37] <helf> yes[17:16:44] <helf> When people that can help are online :)[17:17:15] <Skfly> :D[17:17:39] <JonathanThompson> haikuware.com and haiku-os.org forums may also be helpful.[17:20:10] <Skfly> Well, I can't even make a Haiku USB stick. I tried in Linux, didn't work very well. I'm now sitting on Windows (xp) and I have downloaded chrysocome dd. I get that confirmation message in my dos "rawwrite dd for windows ..." But still I can't run dd commands, what's the problem?[17:20:51] *** brrant has joined #haiku[17:23:29] *** amuck_ has joined #haiku[17:24:40] *** mmadia has quit IRC[17:26:12] <aphedox__> http://www.r2haiku.com/[17:29:29] *** Skfly has quit IRC[17:30:32] *** phalax has quit IRC[17:31:57] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[17:36:50] *** leszek has joined #haiku[17:37:16] <leszek> hi[17:38:33] *** phalax has joined #haiku[17:38:57] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[17:39:09] <JonathanThompson> lo[17:39:14] <JonathanThompson> yes[17:39:15] <JonathanThompson> n[17:39:15] <JonathanThompson> o[17:39:27] * JonathanThompson hates it when Colloquy does that to his typing[17:40:22] <leszek> LOL[17:40:45] <leszek> JonathanThompson, Colloquy is a MacOS X app for IRC right ?[17:40:57] <JonathanThompson> It's a bizarro bug of Colloquy: when there's the right conditions, it somehow thinks it should send things like that, with carriage returns.[17:40:57] <dru_> yes[17:40:59] <JonathanThompson> Yes[17:41:11] <JonathanThompson> And I don't even have to press the return key![17:41:30] <leszek> that seems very strange[17:41:37] <JonathanThompson> Sort of like an auto-complete feature on drugs.[17:42:21] <JonathanThompson> There's another OSX IRC Client I've got, that has some even nastier issues...[17:42:29] <leszek> hehe[17:42:36] <leszek> good I have xchat here :)[17:42:39] <JonathanThompson> Like, for whatever reason blows my mind, if you lose your connection, it clears the scrollback buffer.[17:42:44] <leszek> on osx I use irssi :P[17:43:13] <JonathanThompson> I don't recall any feature like that in the Preferences to enable/disable.[17:43:26] *** Silicon_Wolf has quit IRC[17:43:40] <JonathanThompson> The only logical (Quasi) reason to put that in there is as a form of a boss switch :P[17:44:04] <leszek> maybe[17:44:20] <JonathanThompson> To me, it seems more like a misfeature.[17:45:23] <JonathanThompson> Now, if it marries Mr. Feature, they can go and produce new bugs :P[17:46:01] <leszek> hehe ;)[17:47:52] *** raichoo has quit IRC[17:50:41] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[17:53:01] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[17:55:35] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:04:39] *** The123king has joined #haiku[18:10:53] <waveshaper> http://www.r2haiku.com/ <- wut[18:10:56] <waveshaper> is that a joke?[18:11:24] <JonathanThompson> Well, consider this: the name of Haiku (the OS) is a joke.[18:11:34] <JonathanThompson> So, perhaps they're serious in comparison ;)[18:11:40] <waveshaper> hehe[18:11:53] <waveshaper> well. in the whoisloopup, no other the microsoft pops up[18:11:59] <waveshaper> ah :)[18:13:58] <CIA-69> axeld * r34116 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/deskbar/Switcher.cpp: * Cleanup.[18:14:46] *** dflemstr has quit IRC[18:14:54] <CIA-69> axeld * r34117 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/deskbar/ExpandoMenuBar.cpp:[18:14:54] <CIA-69> * Only activate the app on double click; don't bring all windows to front.[18:14:54] <CIA-69> * This closes ticket #4969.[18:15:16] *** dflemstr has joined #haiku[18:15:38] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[18:19:49] <Shoozza> Hi anyone knows how to get sdl or box2d compiled and installed on haiku?[18:21:05] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[18:21:58] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[18:22:29] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[18:23:04] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[18:29:58] *** phalax_ has joined #haiku[18:30:04] <H_MrSun> Hello from D in Haiku![18:30:05] <H_MrSun> !![18:30:06] <H_MrSun> =)[18:33:32] <leszek> :)[18:33:47] <leszek> Shoozza, there are some sdl libs on haiku ports[18:35:09] <Shoozza> i reinstalled haiku had the nightly builds before and gcc4 made problems[18:36:34] <Shoozza> seems like the alpha1 has gcc2[18:40:57] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[18:41:06] <mmadia> it's a gcc2 hybrid.... allowing both gcc2 and gcc4 programs to run.[18:42:53] <Shoozza> ah ok I guess you don't have a Box2D port[18:43:07] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[18:43:23] *** phalax has quit IRC[18:45:43] *** raichoo has quit IRC[18:47:47] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[18:49:48] *** broadcast has joined #haiku[18:50:36] *** joshc has joined #haiku[18:53:40] *** Sloar has left #haiku[18:57:21] *** pulkomandy has joined #haiku[18:57:53] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[18:58:12] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[18:58:31] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[19:00:27] *** impulse_ has quit IRC[19:01:33] <H_MrSun> test: /home/misc/haiku/haiku/src/system/libroot/posix/malloc/processheap.cpp:166:void BPrivate::processHeap::free(void*): sb well thats fun .. or something :P[19:01:44] <H_MrSun> sb?[19:01:46] <H_MrSun> what is that ?[19:04:00] *** aldeck has quit IRC[19:05:58] *** dflemstr has quit IRC[19:06:21] *** dflemstr has joined #haiku[19:09:36] *** SiCuTDeUx_ has joined #haiku[19:14:46] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[19:15:21] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[19:32:02] *** sprma has quit IRC[19:34:11] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[19:36:18] *** hoelzro_ has joined #haiku[19:36:21] *** hoelzro_ is now known as hoelzro|home[19:36:52] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[19:43:00] *** miqlas has quit IRC[19:45:01] *** redblue has joined #haiku[19:49:52] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[19:51:10] *** aphedox__ has quit IRC[19:58:26] *** Hugen_bbl is now known as Hugen[19:58:35] *** idefix_xifedi has quit IRC[19:58:43] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[19:58:57] <StreaK|ON> hiya[20:01:23] <helf> hi[20:01:34] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[20:03:35] <Hugen> re[20:10:49] <helf> hi[20:10:58] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[20:10:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[20:11:48] <StreaK|ON> Hey guys, how to detect the os version [ gcc2 / gcc4 ] using only terminal.. [ is there a possibility to do this ? ][20:12:38] <mmadia> yeah, lemme dig up a script.[20:13:02] <StreaK|ON> thank you, mmadia[20:13:22] <mmadia> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/4680[20:13:30] <mmadia> look at it's attachment.[20:14:09] *** adamk has quit IRC[20:14:17] *** The123king has left #haiku[20:14:28] <mmadia> lines 77:89[20:15:35] <helf> heh[20:15:36] <helf> History[20:15:36] <helf> Member for[20:15:36] <helf> 57 sec[20:15:44] <mmadia> ..?[20:15:45] <helf> woo, I've been on this site for /ages/[20:15:57] <StreaK|ON> oh, yes .. this is what i need :)[20:16:01] <StreaK|ON> thanks, mmadia[20:16:06] <helf> I've never seen a site that was that specific on account age :)[20:16:51] <mmadia> StreaK|ON : that script is largely incomplete... i gave up on figuring out a way to reliably parse OptionalPackages.[20:17:02] <mmadia> but the gcc detection works nicely.[20:17:43] <StreaK|ON> i'll make use of it in synthetic[20:18:16] <mmadia> any plans on utilizing haiku's wip packagefs / packagemanager?[20:18:30] <StreaK|ON> because, i dont want to give an option for gcc2haiku users to dl gcc4 libs[20:19:32] <StreaK|ON> maybe in future, because im focusing right now to make it operational in satisfying level[20:19:44] <Shoozza> is sdl_opengl actually working or not?[20:20:03] <Kroki> for me the opengl thing included with sdl works[20:20:29] <Kroki> has anyone here good 3d physics papers/pdf's or similar?[20:20:40] <Shoozza> weird that my compiled games windows looks very corrupted[20:21:24] *** fly-away has joined #haiku[20:22:45] <mmu_man> Kroki you might want to ask aldeck when he's here, he works on 3D gaming with physics modeling[20:23:02] *** Kroki has quit IRC[20:23:18] <Shoozza> if someone wants to see what i mean remote connection 93.221.247.24:3390[20:24:24] <mmu_man> as in ssh ? :p[20:25:10] *** Hugen has quit IRC[20:26:37] <mmu_man> EBUSY[20:28:02] <Shoozza> i think its rdesktop[20:28:21] *** Kroki has joined #haiku[20:28:31] *** wildur has quit IRC[20:29:47] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[20:32:06] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[20:32:31] <mmu_man> ah RDP[20:32:47] <mmu_man> isn't there already an rdp: uri scheme ?[20:32:58] <mmu_man> probably not standardized[20:33:08] <Shoozza> not sure[20:33:49] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[20:33:55] <mmu_man> I've seen vnc: ones already though I don't think there has been an RFC for it yet[20:34:20] <Shoozza> http://www.bebits.com/app/3302[20:34:28] <Shoozza> dunno if that works[20:34:35] *** miqlas has quit IRC[20:37:25] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[20:38:35] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[20:43:32] *** Dane_Scott has joined #haiku[20:43:48] <Dane_Scott> greetings[20:44:59] <Dane_Scott> bbiab[20:44:59] *** Dane_Scott has quit IRC[20:47:11] *** oco has joined #haiku[20:51:20] <mmu_man> plop[20:51:38] *** noisetonepause has quit IRC[20:51:39] *** noisetonepause1 has joined #haiku[20:51:47] <mmu_man> Shoozza yes it should, at least did, though I didn't test this one[20:51:58] <mmu_man> I started a port myself way before this one btu never finished[20:52:03] *** Dane_Scott has joined #haiku[20:52:06] <mmu_man> plop[20:52:22] <Dane_Scott> has anyone done any experimentation with cddb lookups under Haiku?[20:52:25] <Shoozza> what i wanted was actually that someone takes a look at my desktop[20:52:25] <Dane_Scott> plop mmu_man[20:53:22] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[20:54:28] <Dane_Scott> any interesting progress on Haiku since Alpha came out?[20:55:26] *** miqlas has quit IRC[20:56:07] <Shoozza> how to make the terminal start after boot[20:56:51] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[20:58:06] <mmu_man> Dane_Scott a lot[20:58:18] <mmu_man> (that was part of my talk at Alchimie btw)[20:59:14] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/Alchimie-2k9/conf_haiku/FR_ALCHIMIE_2009_PresentationHaikuR1alpha1.pdf (french)[21:06:47] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[21:11:23] *** impulse_ has joined #haiku[21:12:12] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[21:13:52] <CIA-69> pulkomandy * r34118 /haiku/trunk/ (16 files in 4 dirs):[21:13:52] <CIA-69> Localization for keyboard and mouse preflet by mt. Thanks ![21:13:52] <CIA-69> French localization by me. 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