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[00:08:24] <jmayfield> sd
[00:08:27] <jmayfield> and stuff
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[00:17:03] <StreaK|ON> synthetic pre-alpha released -> http://www.haikuware.com/directory/view-details/development/app-installation/synthetic-package-manager
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[00:28:08] <MadEchidna> synthetic pre-alpha released
[00:28:12] <MadEchidna> that sounds pretty cool
[00:28:30] <MadEchidna> is it a "real" manager or more like the Apple updater on windows?
[00:28:35] <MrSunshine_> FFS
[00:28:49] <MrSunshine_> WHY THE HELKL DOES THE DAMN INSTALLATION CD WORK BUT WHEN INSTALLED HAIKU WONT BOOT
[00:29:02] <MrSunshine_> and why the hell do i get "could not load os" so i have to boot from cd ?
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[00:29:24] <mmadia> are you installing on to a blank HD and usind DriveSetup to partition it, MrSunshine_?
[00:29:47] <MrSunshine_> ive tried both with drive setup and using an ubuntu live cd to set up the partitions
[00:29:56] <mmadia> or rather ARE YOU INSTALLING ON TO A BLANK HD AND USIND DRIVESETUP TO PARTITION IT< MRSUNSHINE?? :P
[00:30:02] <StreaK|ON> MadEchidna: i think it wii be real package manager, but firstly i need to polish it a little and make few server-side php scripts
[00:30:10] <MadEchidna> for someone named Mr. Sunshine, he sure isn't a very happy person
[00:30:20] <MadEchidna> that's cool, StreaK
[00:30:33] <MadEchidna> I think having up to date libraries especially would be wonderful
[00:30:37] <MadEchidna> the more like APT the better
[00:31:27] <mmadia> MrSunshine_ : DriveSetup won't correctly partition a 100% empty hard drive. ...
[00:31:50] <MrSunshine_> this install is done with partitions from ubuntu
[00:31:53] <mmadia> *i think... been a while.
[00:32:26] <MrSunshine_> but i find it very strange that the live cd boots, but if i boot with the live cd, press space to get the menu, select my hd as boot device and boot it wont get past the rocket
[00:32:29] <MrSunshine_> just stops at the rocket
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[00:34:08] <StreaK|ON> MadEchidna, its still [working] concept, but i think in about 2 weeks Synthetic will be fully working
[00:34:52] <MrSunshine_> ffs how the hell do i reset the bios ... the screen was in simul mode ... both crt and lcd mode .. so thought it would get better if i put it to only lcd ... well now i get no picture at all
[00:35:18] <MadEchidna> StreaK|ON, I find it interesting you called it "Synthetic"
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[00:35:27] <MadEchidna> is that inspired by Synaptic by chance?
[00:35:32] <CIA-69> kirilla * r34081 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/Window.cpp: Spelling
[00:35:33] <StreaK|ON> yes :)
[00:35:57] <StreaK|ON> i was looking something that sounds similiar :P
[00:35:57] <MadEchidna> I haven't used Haiku much since the alpha came out I must confess.
[00:36:01] <MadEchidna> I'd like to use it more though
[00:36:08] <MadEchidna> I need to get a long ethernet cable I guess
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[00:36:38] <MadEchidna> man, this is so cool
[00:36:49] <MadEchidna> my Eee PC is my main computer and the screen is only 1024x600
[00:37:01] <MadEchidna> so, I'm using it via NoMachine on my nice big work computer
[00:37:13] <MadEchidna> it's faster than just using the native windows xp install on the workstation :P
[00:37:18] <MadEchidna> yay for FreeNX
[00:38:41] <StreaK|ON> MadEchidna, im working on 1024x600 aswell on my MSI Wind netbook, it is not so bad at all
[00:39:41] <MadEchidna> I'm not saying it's unlivable, but it's much more fun on this screen :)
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[00:40:27] <MadEchidna> this screen is 1280x1024
[00:40:31] <MadEchidna> delicious
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[00:40:56] <StreaK|ON> :)
[00:41:01] <MrSunshine_> hmm, located a problem using console output ... error starting "/bin/sh" error = -1
[00:41:06] <MrSunshine_> its a fresh install
[00:41:07] <MrSunshine_> sigh
[00:42:14] <rennj> one of the reasons i went with 11" netbook was for the 1366x768
[00:42:35] <rennj> my olpc xo-1 7" screen was wacked at 1200x900
[00:43:28] <CIA-69> scottmc * r498 /haikuports/trunk/sys-devel/libtool/libtool-2.2.6b.bep: Initial .bep file for libtool-2.2.6b
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[00:46:36] <rennj> i still miss old crt viewsonic 21" 1600x1200
[00:47:00] <rennj> 1995-2004 or so, it rocked
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[00:49:15] <MrSunshine_> on a totaly dedicated disk to haiku, do i still need a bootloader like grub ?
[00:49:34] <StreaK|ON> bootman is better
[00:49:41] <kirilla> MrSunshine_: you can can use Bootman
[00:49:55] <StreaK|ON> "bootman" from terminal
[00:50:22] <kirilla> if you have standard dos/intel partitioning, with Haiku on a single primary partition
[00:51:37] <kirilla> it used to be (I guess this may have changed) that bootman could only boot things on the primary partitions
[00:52:14] <StreaK|ON> im booting haiku from extended part via bootman
[00:52:22] <StreaK|ON> and its fine
[00:52:23] <kirilla> ah, cool
[00:52:41] <kirilla> haiku bootman > beos bootman it seems
[00:52:51] <StreaK|ON> :)
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[00:55:53] <kirilla> bbl, reboot #3683764321
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[00:59:54] <StreaK|ON> going to sleep..
[01:00:04] <StreaK|ON> bye, cu tomorrow
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[01:04:33] <H_MrSun> yeey =)
[01:06:24] <CIA-69> scottmc * r499 /haikuports/trunk/media-video/ffmpeg/ffmpeg-r7407.bep: .bep file for building ffmpeg 7407 which is what is required for vlc-0.8.6i
[01:06:29] * JonathanThompson would never guess with a name of "Synthetic" what it'd be for
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[01:12:49] <CIA-69> scottmc * r500 /haikuports/trunk/media-video/ffmpeg/ (ffmpeg-7407.bep ffmpeg-r7407.bep): Seems haikuporter didn't like the -r7407, so changed to just -7407
[01:14:17] <rennj> MSI Wind12 U230 is a nice netbook..wonder if its out yet
[01:14:50] <rennj> acer ferrari one f200 is also nice
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[01:38:22] <CIA-69> scottmc * r501 /haikuports/trunk/media-video/ffmpeg/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Renamed the patch for ffmpeg r7407 so haikuporter would pick it up, should build ok now, may need to adjust the ./configure line some still.
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[01:46:14] <H_MrSun> OmniMancer, how the hell did you compile llvm on haiku ?
[01:46:28] <H_MrSun> checking target system type... i586-pc-haiku
[01:46:28] <H_MrSun> checking type of operating system we're going to host on... Unknown
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[01:46:48] <OmniMancer> are you by any chance using the configure?
[01:46:55] <OmniMancer> you should be using cmake anyway
[01:47:00] <H_MrSun> oh
[01:47:07] <H_MrSun> what cmake ? .. stock from cmake site ?
[01:47:19] <OmniMancer> the cmake that runs on haiku
[01:47:56] <OmniMancer> although that particular problem with configure shouldn't be there are you using the trunk?
[01:48:39] <H_MrSun> gaah where is the damn file download list at ports.haiku-files.org ?!
[01:48:44] <H_MrSun> why isnt there a clear link to it? :7
[01:49:12] <H_MrSun> im tired
[01:49:13] <H_MrSun> should sleep
[01:49:48] <H_MrSun> and then ?
[01:49:50] <H_MrSun> OmniMancer
[01:49:56] <H_MrSun> how do i run the cmake stuff, where do i run it etc?
[01:50:12] <H_MrSun> why havent there been a guide added to the wiki page about how to compile llvm ? :)
[01:52:16] <OmniMancer> once you have cmake installed and it works
[01:52:26] <OmniMancer> you put llvm in a directory
[01:52:34] <OmniMancer> then you make another directory next to it
[01:52:58] <OmniMancer> then you go into that other directory and run: cmake ../<llvm dir goes here>
[01:53:20] <OmniMancer> that should then produce unix makefiles in that directory
[01:54:14] <OmniMancer> you can then make
[01:54:23] <OmniMancer> sorry if its confusing :/
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[01:54:36] <H_MrSun> not realy when you just get the info
[01:54:50] <H_MrSun> but realy confusing that i should use cmake when nowhere its stated :P
[01:56:31] <H_MrSun> Misc/Develop/llvm-2.6/lib/System/Unix/Program.inc:237: error: 'struct sigaction' has no member named 'sa_sigaction', yes its not using trunk but wth ...
[01:56:36] <H_MrSun> that shouldnt have changed alteast
[01:58:47] <H_MrSun> hah and it has .. ofc :P
[01:59:16] <OmniMancer> are you using trunk llvm?
[01:59:37] <H_MrSun> no, 2.6 atm cause svn broke when getting trunk for me and now i cant clean up the damn dir
[01:59:55] <OmniMancer> delete the dir and get the trunk
[02:00:05] <H_MrSun> well it takes AGES to download
[02:00:08] <OmniMancer> I think the changes are not in 2.6
[02:00:18] <OmniMancer> you HAVE to use the trunk
[02:00:19] <H_MrSun> OmniMancer, btw are you working on ldc port ?
[02:00:47] <H_MrSun> and why do i HAVE to use the trunk ?
[02:00:57] <H_MrSun> when i can hack the Program.inc file by hand if i like? :P
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[02:02:39] <OmniMancer> because I don't think the changes I made to make it compile on haiku made it into 2.6
[02:02:47] <OmniMancer> the configure changes definitely not
[02:02:53] <H_MrSun> ive patched with your patches
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[02:09:11] <OmniMancer> oh
[02:09:16] <OmniMancer> hmmm
[02:09:36] <OmniMancer> well stuff might have changed since as I stopped checking that it compiles
[02:09:57] <cb88> OmniMancer: yeah i just tried llvm 2.6 as well... thanks for the heads up I did notive the cmake stuff in there though... I keep running across cmake these days lol
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[02:14:58] <{V}> hmm http://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/haiku-bugs/2009-November/date.html seems out of date
[02:17:32] <OmniMancer> cmake is in 2.6 because the cmake build system is what they are slowly replacing autotools with
[02:17:54] <OmniMancer> however some of the source changes that are needed to make it compile aren't in 2.6 if I remember
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[02:25:49] <cb88> ic ...
[02:26:56] <OmniMancer> one of the functions in process.inc needs to have a check for haiku put in and doesn't work currently as its hard to do on haiku
[02:27:07] <OmniMancer> and then google test needs to be told about haiku
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[03:49:42] <CIA-69> kirilla * r34082 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/workspaces/Workspaces.cpp:
[03:49:42] <CIA-69> Made Workspaces' initial size and shape depend on screen size, screen
[03:49:42] <CIA-69> proportions and the current layout of one's workspaces. Adjusted Zoom() to be
[03:49:42] <CIA-69> proportional. Also added proportional resizing, which is optional currently,
[03:49:42] <CIA-69> pressing shift while resizing.
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[04:52:35] <CIA-69> scottmc * r502 /haikuports/trunk/media-libs/allegro/allegro-4.4.0.bep: Initial .bep file for Allegro-4.4.0
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[05:11:21] <Mefached> Does Haiku support MAC spoofing? It's a necessity for using my laptop in my home network.
[05:13:45] <umccullough> not yet
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[05:24:22] <Mefached> I did read that Haiku could use FreeBSD networking for some things, does this include wireless cards? Or is wifi as yet unfinished?
[05:25:15] <umccullough> http://dev.osdrawer.net/projects/show/haiku-wifi
[05:25:29] <umccullough> it's a port from freebsd, unfinished, but usable
[05:25:46] <umccullough> and also not part of haiku's repo yet
[05:26:11] <Mefached> I'm comfortable enough with compilation and the like
[05:26:22] <umccullough> well, you can actually just download the binary package there
[05:26:43] <umccullough> http://dev.osdrawer.net/projects/haiku-wifi/files
[05:26:49] <Mefached> I'm installing Haiku onto an older 60 GB hard drive sometime this week and was just wondering what I'm looking forward to
[05:27:04] <umccullough> last one i tried was r315 on my acer aspire one running R1/alpha 1
[05:27:25] <umccullough> r315 only had an atheros driver capable of connecting to unsecured APs
[05:27:37] <umccullough> looks like r387 might have more stuff
[05:27:59] <Mefached> I'm also wondering about tethering support to my smartphone. I doubt it's supported, but I'm curious.
[05:28:10] <umccullough> what protocol does it use?
[05:28:15] <umccullough> if it uses ECM, it may work
[05:28:23] <Mefached> I'm not quite sure what you mean.
[05:28:44] <Mefached> To get it to work in Linux, I just plug it in and type "sudo dhclient" after activating shared connection on the phone.
[05:28:45] <umccullough> haiku has a usb_ecm driver to allow ethernet over ECM which is a protocol used for some usb serial devices
[05:29:09] <umccullough> yeah, but somehow the interface between the computer and phone has to be established
[05:29:13] <umccullough> dhclient is a layer3 thing
[05:29:39] <umccullough> or, is the interface wireless?
[05:29:42] <umccullough> bluetooth?
[05:30:06] <Mefached> The interface is USB. The laptop lacks bluetooth, and the mobile wifi never would work (damn Windows Mobile)
[05:30:23] <umccullough> ok, so the protocol used to communicate over the usb connection to the phone has to be something
[05:30:26] <umccullough> ECM is one option
[05:30:36] <Mefached> How would I check?
[05:30:43] <Mefached> If Haiku will tether, I am sold.
[05:31:50] <umccullough> i don't know how to check actually :)
[05:31:58] <umccullough> mmlr wrote the ECM module so he could tether with his phone
[05:32:08] <umccullough> but i don't know what phone it was
[05:32:28] <Mefached> Unfortunately, I'm a horrible programmer, so I couldn't do the same.
[05:33:21] <umccullough> what phone is it?
[05:33:26] <Mefached> HTC Touch Pro
[05:33:28] <Mefached> WM 6.1
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[05:37:55] <Mefached> A few more quick questions: what's it like adding Haiku to a GRUB? and how similar is it to Linux in that will being a comfortable Linux geek make Haiku easier?
[05:38:40] <umccullough> hmm... looks like it might be using remote ndis - which haiku won't support yet
[05:38:56] <umccullough> adding Haiku to grub is pretty easy - depending on which version of linux you use
[05:39:15] <umccullough> it's just a chainload +1
[05:39:29] <Mefached> I'm currently running a minimalist *buntu, but the laptop in question will be running Gentoo.
[05:39:32] <umccullough> linux user in haiku may or may not be at home ;)
[05:39:44] <umccullough> haiku supports a terminal with bash if you're at home on the CLI
[05:39:50] <umccullough> but everything is in different places
[05:39:50] <Mefached> I did see a bash shell, though
[05:39:58] <Mefached> I mostly boot into the CLI, actually
[05:40:12] <umccullough> well, if you just need to get stuff done in the CLI with standard GNU tools, most of them are there
[05:40:29] <Mefached> Java support?
[05:40:32] <umccullough> not yet
[05:40:43] <Mefached> I do assume the C++ compiler works fine, though.
[05:40:46] <umccullough> http://openjdk.java.net/projects/haiku-port/
[05:40:50] <umccullough> gcc works
[05:40:59] <umccullough> a hybrid install of haiku comes with gcc2 and gcc4
[05:41:02] <Mefached> Then I'll be fine. Whenever I need Java, I'll just use Linux.
[05:41:17] <umccullough> gcc2 is used for beos binary compatibility and is the default for haiku
[05:41:34] <umccullough> changing compilers should be as easy as setgcc gcc4 from the cli
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[05:42:08] <umccullough> evenin' mmadia
[05:42:21] <mmadia> morning.
[05:42:22] <umccullough> i'm thinking of staying up to watch the meteors
[05:42:25] <umccullough> :P
[05:43:17] <Mefached> Does Haiku support ext2/ext3?
[05:43:23] <umccullough> readonly - yes
[05:43:51] <Mefached> I'm not worried about FAT32/NTFS support, but just in case, how are they?
[05:44:03] <umccullough> fat supports read/write with some bugs i hear
[05:44:11] <umccullough> ntfs uses ntfs-3g and should support read/write
[05:44:43] <mmadia> there's been some recent tickets about ntfs
[05:44:48] <Mefached> Are there any filesystems Linux and Haiku would share full compatibility with? I want to be able to have a partition for all of my music and the like that would be easily shared.
[05:45:37] <CIA-69> scottmc * r503 /haikuports/trunk/x11-libs/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Initial .bep file for pixman-0.16.2 plus a minor patch.
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[05:47:09] <umccullough> that would probably be fat
[05:48:16] <Mefached> If I enjoy Haiku I may try to write in ext2 compatibility then. I figure it'd be easier than any of the journaling filesystems.
[05:48:54] <umccullough> the challenge is that haiku's ext2 is scratch-written
[05:48:54] <mmadia> ext2 wont support Haiku's attributes though.
[05:49:09] <umccullough> right, but neither will fat :P
[05:49:22] <mmadia> ufs2 or reiserfs would be more interesting :D
[05:49:28] <geist> unless a high level foreign fs attribute thing is dune
[05:49:29] <umccullough> transferring files back and forth is always going to be an attribute issue ;)
[05:49:32] <geist> done
[05:49:47] <umccullough> oh right - haiku does support reiserfs
[05:49:51] <umccullough> i forgot about that :)
[05:49:53] <Mefached> Oh!
[05:49:54] <umccullough> read/write even
[05:50:00] <Mefached> If it supports reiserfs, then I'm pleased.
[05:50:42] <umccullough> whatcha up to these days geist?
[05:51:40] <OmniMancer> well you don't want to use fat because it strips permissions
[05:52:20] <umccullough> if you need to transfer images or media files back and forth, it's sort of not much of an issue
[05:52:39] <geist> not much
[05:52:46] <geist> workin, playing a bunch of wow
[05:53:29] <umccullough> i guess you guys are working on webos performance?
[05:53:31] <mmadia> geist how close is the Samsung ARM926EJ-S3C2450 to the Gumstix Overo?
[05:56:10] <AlienSoldier> ntfs read write is stable now?
[05:56:20] <umccullough> i dunno about "stable"
[05:56:34] <geist> mmadia: about as different as a biplane and a b52
[05:56:52] <umccullough> they both have wings!
[05:56:57] <umccullough> and props
[05:57:01] <geist> right
[05:57:27] <geist> a better mapping of the analogy would be a p51 and a b2 bomber
[05:57:38] * mmadia tosses the thought about Menq Easypc E760 + Haiku out the window
[05:57:39] <geist> ie the 926 is about middle range arm as far as things are concerned
[05:57:57] <geist> it's one notch above microcontroller territory
[05:58:08] <geist> it has a mmu, so it can technically run Big OSes
[05:58:13] <geist> but it'd be pretty crappy
[05:58:59] <umccullough> mmadia, i think they said they were going to roll out Cortex-A8 versions of that
[05:59:02] <AlienSoldier> nothing like an underpower computer commorodre style
[05:59:08] <AlienSoldier> *commodore
[06:00:21] <umccullough> assuming you mean this: http://techvideoblog.com/reviews/80-android-laptop-menq-easypc-e790/
[06:00:38] <mmadia> yep
[06:01:19] <umccullough> btw, i find it pretty shitty that they show an android logo on a Windows CE desktop
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[06:02:19] <AlienSoldier> will CE ever change name?
[06:02:26] <umccullough> some of us might be inclined to say that's false advertising
[06:02:38] <umccullough> I thought it was renamed Windows Mobile or something
[06:03:00] <Mefached> CE is still used
[06:03:08] <AlienSoldier> ok, because CE on the dreamcast was SO bad press, i would never kept it after
[06:03:12] <Mefached> Windows Mobile, ugh
[06:03:14] <Mefached> Unfortunately, I'm running it
[06:03:17] <umccullough> didn't they call it windows pocket at some point?
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[06:04:13] <geist> windows: powered cheese
[06:04:15] <geist> er
[06:04:25] <geist> windows: powdered cheese
[06:04:31] <AlienSoldier> umccullough would make sense, slogan would be : have you lost some data today
[06:04:36] <geist> well, either one is equally nonsensical
[06:04:37] <mmadia> that actually sounds tasty.
[06:04:45] <umccullough> geist, like the stuff that comes with your kraft macaroni and cheese?
[06:04:55] <geist> i wonder what happened to Powdered Cheese
[06:05:00] <geist> i think i may have it in a pic somewhere
[06:05:14] <mmadia> same thing as Powdered Toast Man?
[06:05:29] <geist> http://tkgeisel.com/pics/Be/summer%202000/P0001033.JPG
[06:05:33] <geist> the chair in the background
[06:05:43] <geist> all praise Powdered Cheese
[06:06:03] <umccullough> dude, that shark ate the guy
[06:06:16] <geist> yeah, the intel guy
[06:06:28] <Mefached> If they put Android on this laptop, I would want one
[06:06:28] <Mefached> It might end up better than the N810
[06:06:28] <umccullough> oh, even worse
[06:06:33] <umccullough> indigestion
[06:06:36] <geist> that chair had been floating around forever. For some reason someone called it Powdered Cheese
[06:06:57] <geist> i guess it went down with the ship
[06:06:59] <umccullough> ah, the chair in the background?
[06:07:05] <geist> yeah
[06:07:13] <AlienSoldier> that look like the Cobra commander
[06:07:21] <geist> nah, it's a blue intel guy
[06:07:32] <umccullough> our SF office had a couch infested with fleas and bedbugs called the "wubby"
[06:07:40] <geist> eh
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[06:07:41] <geist> heh
[06:07:54] <umccullough> devs spent nights on it :(
[06:08:01] <geist> the couch in my cube just to the left of the door was pretty skanktacular
[06:08:04] <AlienSoldier> so, the blue man group is part of Cobra? :P
[06:08:16] <leavengood> hmmm, looks like I stepped into a good convo
[06:09:22] <leavengood> but then everyone shuts up...
[06:09:27] <leavengood> :/
[06:09:34] <geist> pretty much
[06:09:35] <mmadia> meep
[06:09:35] <umccullough> just a discussion about Powdered Cheese, you didn't miss much
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[06:09:48] <kokito> hello folks
[06:09:51] <geist> long live Powdered Cheese
[06:10:08] <kokito> yay!
[06:10:43] <leavengood> hah, powdered cheese
[06:11:01] <leavengood> on a related note, boy is GCC4 compiling slow in Haiku
[06:11:09] <AlienSoldier> he kokito, i have a 0.99 cent question for you, ever slept in a capsule hotel in Japan?
[06:11:10] <umccullough> it's gcc4
[06:11:21] <leavengood> though maybe it is the el crap Celeron I have in this box
[06:11:22] <kokito> AlienSoldier: a couple of times
[06:11:30] <geist> i was under the impressions that the capsule hotels are mostly a tourist thing
[06:11:35] <geist> and they really dont exist that much
[06:11:38] <geist> kokito: what say you?
[06:11:41] <leavengood> umccullough: damn, that is just gcc4, eh?
[06:11:42] <umccullough> i think that was one of the biggest enhancements between gcc2 and gcc3/4 - the slower speed of compiles?
[06:11:44] <mmadia> even compiling haiku-gcc4 is much slower than haiku-gcc2.
[06:11:49] <AlienSoldier> kokito someone asked me about manufacturer of those. I can't find any. Any name pop to mind?
[06:11:56] <kokito> no geist, mostly used by wat the Japanese call "salaryman"
[06:11:58] <leavengood> umccullough: didn't seem as bad on Linux...though again my CPU may not be helping
[06:12:06] <kokito> AlienSoldier: no idea
[06:12:19] <geist> well, that's the best part of travelling. staying in nice hotels
[06:12:29] <AlienSoldier> hehe, perhpas they are all made by a secret yakusa clan
[06:12:30] * leavengood starts to see the benefits of the fast compiling Go language......
[06:13:10] <umccullough> leavengood, i think it's cuz gcc4 just tries harder
[06:13:59] <umccullough> geist, my wife always tries to find the best price when we travel :(
[06:14:04] <geist> if i had to sit on a plane for 14 hours and then stay in a crappy hotel. meh
[06:14:12] <kokito> geist: using capusle hotels is mostly a guys thing, for the most part guys who are just too drunk to go back home and/or too broke to pay for a taxi after they lost their last train
[06:14:12] <geist> the hotels i always end up staying at in china are always nice
[06:14:15] <umccullough> last hotel we stayed in had cockroaches
[06:14:16] <leavengood> compiling WebKit is pretty much a go take a nap situation
[06:14:25] <geist> Intercontinental == nice chain
[06:15:03] <AlienSoldier> leavengood will they move to Go?
[06:15:17] <umccullough> kokito, is it basically just a bed in a box?
[06:15:26] <kokito> yep
[06:15:32] * umccullough imagines a coffin-style bed
[06:15:49] <leavengood> AlienSoldier: I seriously doubt that :)
[06:16:07] <kokito> http://thecureservicegroup.info/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/capsule-hotel.jpg
[06:16:08] <leavengood> Right now I'm looking at Go as probably a good game programming language
[06:16:25] <umccullough> kokito, that's awesome - almost like a people-kennel
[06:16:40] <umccullough> morgue-style
[06:16:46] <AlienSoldier> umccullough we have a politician in quebec that sleep in a coffin and drive a mustang with a 666 plate and a pagan pentagram
[06:16:54] <kokito> yes, that was also my first reaction umccullough :)
[06:16:56] <umccullough> fire him
[06:17:11] <Mefached> umccullough: What? Why? That's awesome!
[06:17:22] <umccullough> kokito, i wonder if they just hose them out after each "stay" :P
[06:17:25] <kokito> umccullough, here is a pic of the inside: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/42/87642099_036012ae6c.jpg
[06:17:49] <umccullough> nice
[06:18:41] <DraX> leavengood: working on tranqulity? :)
[06:19:12] <leavengood> DraX: well mainly WebKit at the moment
[06:19:20] <leavengood> it needs a lot of work still
[06:19:24] <DraX> yeah
[06:19:34] <leavengood> and well the codebase is pretty much monsterous
[06:19:40] <leavengood> even just the platform stuff
[06:19:41] <DraX> indeed
[06:19:59] <DraX> o you got a dedicated haiku box?
[06:20:06] <leavengood> but at least I'm able to work on it in Haiku now
[06:20:08] <leavengood> yeah
[06:20:13] <mmadia> didn't webkit have a small codebase some years back?
[06:20:13] <umccullough> a celery :)
[06:20:32] <leavengood> dragged out an old machine I had built as a Hackintosh a few years back
[06:20:43] <leavengood> yeah and I was doing it on the cheap so it has a Celeron
[06:20:56] <geist> i still keep my old dual P3 around i had built for BeOS development back in 2000
[06:21:02] <leavengood> not horribly old, but still
[06:21:12] <umccullough> slow machines are good for performance testing ;)
[06:21:22] <leavengood> yeah that is what I figure
[06:21:27] <leavengood> but compiling is such a chore
[06:21:30] <geist> though they're bad for testing modern optimizations
[06:21:34] <umccullough> that's always a bummer
[06:21:36] <leavengood> might have to look into distcc or something
[06:21:49] <umccullough> yeah, that's true - no SSE3 or anything
[06:21:55] <geist> so what's slow about compiling
[06:22:06] <mmadia> what socket is it leavengood?
[06:22:07] <geist> the number crunching or is it system/VM time building the process?
[06:22:10] <leavengood> mmadia: I'm not sure if WebKit was ever "small" but adding all these platforms hasn't helped
[06:22:19] <leavengood> mmadia: LGA775
[06:22:22] <umccullough> geist, i think he's complaining about haiku specifically :P
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[06:22:51] <umccullough> oh, that's what you're asking about
[06:22:56] <leavengood> geist: each c++ file takes easily 10-15 seconds on this machine
[06:22:59] <AlienSoldier> leavengood is it too big to compile all in a ram drive?
[06:23:20] <geist> leavengood: is it mostly system or user time?
[06:23:26] <leavengood> AlienSoldier: hmmm, that is an idea, though I only have 1GB on this machine
[06:23:35] <leavengood> but I think it is CPU time that is the killer here
[06:23:46] <leavengood> geist: let me run a time real quick
[06:24:48] <geist> i'm suspecting there are still severe performance problems with large processes like gcc
[06:25:03] <mmadia> mmlr talked about mounting /tmp and a few other directories in a ramfs, to help compile speed.
[06:25:40] <geist> yeah, i remember doing that back at Be
[06:25:54] <geist> i had written a ramfs post r5 that would speed builds up bigtime
[06:25:56] <leavengood> yay, GCC bug, again
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[06:26:55] <leavengood> real 0m55.670s
[06:26:56] <leavengood> user 0m8.897s
[06:26:56] <leavengood> sys 0m5.646s
[06:27:10] <leavengood> and that was with the GCC4 linker bug, heh
[06:27:14] <leavengood> sometimes it just fails
[06:27:16] <leavengood> second try works
[06:27:31] <geist> weird. that dont make no sense
[06:27:34] <leavengood> that was updating one c++ file, then relinking libwebcore.so
[06:27:38] <geist> 8.8 + 5.6 != 55.6
[06:27:50] <geist> ahhhh, yeah then it's io
[06:27:57] <geist> try something that doesn't use a lot of io
[06:28:22] <leavengood> yeah this is all IO
[06:28:29] <leavengood> libwebcore.so is 111 MB!
[06:28:34] <DraX> jesus
[06:28:38] <umccullough> wtf
[06:28:41] <leavengood> this has some debugging :)
[06:28:47] <geist> oh well.. this is probably not the best test case
[06:28:49] <umccullough> i would guess :P
[06:28:59] <leavengood> geist: what is a better test case?
[06:29:09] <leavengood> there is libwebkit.so which is much smaller
[06:29:13] <leavengood> let me try that
[06:29:52] <geist> well, it's a test case. it is indeed slow, and it's probably more of a test of the throughput of the io system
[06:29:55] <geist> how much ram does this box have?
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[06:33:34] <Mefached> probably a stupid question: How is Haiku support for touchpads? If good, could I turn off tap-to-click?
[06:33:43] <umccullough> yes
[06:33:59] <mmadia> to which question? XD
[06:34:03] <umccullough> for synaptics anyway
[06:35:23] <kokito> hmmm... this would make a good demo machine: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Acer+-+AspireRevo+Nettop+with+Intel%26%23174%3B+Atom%26%23153%3B+Processor/9535434.p?id=1218120545008&skuId=9535434
[06:35:52] <DraX> i was actually thinking about grabbing one of those
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[06:35:57] <DraX> for haiku
[06:36:18] <umccullough> ion graphics would be vesa mode :(
[06:36:18] <kokito> $199 is not bad
[06:36:25] <leavengood> geist: 1GB
[06:36:28] <umccullough> and vesa mode on an atom might be disappointing
[06:36:31] <kokito> umccullough, true
[06:36:41] <umccullough> in fact, i'll come out and say...it is disappointing
[06:36:55] <umccullough> running vesa mode on my dual core atom 330 is kinda slow
[06:38:35] <kokito> hmmm... too bad
[06:39:10] <Mefached> Dual core atom?
[06:39:18] <umccullough> atom 330 is dual core - yes
[06:39:27] <umccullough> dual core HT even - so it shows 4 logical processors
[06:39:30] <Mefached> What is it in?
[06:39:37] <leavengood> is writing an Ion driver feasible?
[06:39:40] <umccullough> a lot of small form factor machines
[06:39:40] <DraX> HT is back in fashion?
[06:39:41] <leavengood> are there docs?
[06:39:50] <Mefached> umccullough: Any mobile machines?
[06:39:51] <umccullough> even the i7's support HT
[06:40:02] <umccullough> Mefached, not that I know of
[06:40:34] <Mefached> That's a shame.
[06:40:50] <kokito> leavengood: don't know if there are specs available
[06:42:17] <DraX> i wonder if they ever fixed the cache issues in ht
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[06:46:43] <leavengood> geist: here is a time run of mostly compiling C++ files (I killed it before the .so linking)
[06:46:46] <leavengood> real 3m54.277s
[06:46:47] <leavengood> user 2m45.212s
[06:46:47] <leavengood> sys 0m21.151s
[06:47:07] <leavengood> that was only for 14 files :(
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[06:48:08] <umccullough> leavengood, i'd have to assume, btw, based on nvidia's track record... that no specs will ever be released for ion
[06:48:23] <leavengood> asshats
[06:51:07] <gtaw> What exactly is an asshat?
[06:51:23] <umccullough> one who wears their ass on their head
[06:51:33] <umccullough> as in, has their head up their ass
[06:52:12] <leavengood> heh
[06:52:13] <umccullough> this is the generally accepted definition: http://markwadestone.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/asshat4.jpg
[06:55:06] <umccullough> this one comes with a helpful definition: http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/5/2/633768938544498785-asshat.jpg
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[10:31:41] <DHowett> it just resorts to booting my linux installation, despite specifically selecting said flash drive
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[12:33:49] <CIA-69> * Added interface ErrorOutput and implementation StandardErrorOutput and used
[12:33:49] <CIA-69> them in the PackageReader instead of fprintf().
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[12:41:09] <CIA-69> * The keyboard driver will now send a "key up" event for the emergency keys
[12:41:09] <CIA-69> afterwards; ie. the alt key is no longer stuck after visiting KDL.
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[12:46:19] <CIA-69> Work in progress:
[12:46:19] <CIA-69> * The FS parses package files from "/boot/common/packages" and builds an
[12:46:19] <CIA-69> node tree representation of the contained entries. Merging directories should
[12:46:19] <CIA-69> work. Lots of other stuff is missing yet, though.
[12:46:20] <CIA-69> * Implemented the hooks for directory entry lookup and iteration. So it's
[12:46:24] <CIA-69> possible to see the contents of the FS at least.
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[12:50:21] <DHowett> packagefs?!
[12:50:22] <DHowett> awesome!
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[12:56:12] <thaflo> hi
[12:57:01] <thaflo> I've got a question to queries in haiku
[12:57:50] <thaflo> searching in Terminal for all people files, the command line is <query -e "BEOS:TYPE=application/x-person">, isn't it?
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[13:02:57] <thaflo> though, i don't get results at all
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[13:09:47] <HeTo> I'm not sure if it wanted C-style comparison operators
[13:10:04] <HeTo> so == instead of =
[13:10:05] <thaflo> ==?
[13:10:26] <thaflo> tried that too, but nothing
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[13:12:43] <thaflo> tried also to search for application/x-vnd.Be-query, neither a result
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[13:20:11] <thaflo> ups
[13:27:05] <thaflo> Noone another idea, please?
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[14:00:28] <thaflo> hey!
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[14:02:01] <thaflo> query -e (name="*"&&BEOS:TYPE=="application/x-person")
[14:02:34] <thaflo> and I get a "syntax error near unexpected token `('
[14:02:41] <thaflo> anyone an idea
[14:02:42] <thaflo> ?
[14:09:48] <thaflo> no? hmm :-)
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[15:03:30] <helf> wow
[15:03:33] <helf> i feel like a moron
[15:04:08] <ari-free> but you think like a genius and that's what counts
[15:04:28] <helf> I'm meeting my boss at the garage tomorrow to carpool since he has to get work done on his car... I went to bed last night and looked at the clock and it said "tuesday" (it had just passed midnight) and I thought the morning was going to be wed and set my alarm for super early
[15:04:33] <helf> so here i am.. at work 2 hours early
[15:04:34] <helf> for no reason
[15:04:35] <helf> :P
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[15:54:29] <CIA-69> axeld * r34089 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/arch/x86/x86_paging.h: * Minor cleanup.
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[15:56:51] <CIA-69> axeld * r34090 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/arch/x86/arch_thread.cpp:
[15:56:51] <CIA-69> * Reverted r32216 (by mmlr): it's not a good idea to access a variable on the
[15:56:51] <CIA-69> stack after that has just been changed, and does not contain the data one
[15:56:51] <CIA-69> would assume.
[15:56:51] <CIA-69> * This fixes the leaking the vm_translation_map_arch_info objects, and thus
[15:56:52] <CIA-69> bug #4957.
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[16:53:17] <CIA-69> bga * r34091 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[16:53:17] <CIA-69> me know if something in wrong.
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[16:55:38] <H_MrSun> ldc running on haiku =)
[16:55:44] <H_MrSun> now for tango .. sigh :P
[16:56:09] <H_MrSun> the totaly worst part =9
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[17:00:07] <CIA-69> bga * r34092 /haiku/trunk/src/libs/bsd/wait.c: - Only try to get usage info if there was no error with waitpid.
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[17:07:56] <CIA-69> axeld * r34093 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/heap.cpp:
[17:07:56] <CIA-69> * Added "address" specifier for the "allocations" KDL command.
[17:07:56] <CIA-69> * Removed superfluous malloc.h include.
[17:08:19] <CIA-69> axeld * r34094 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/vm/vm_address_space.cpp: * Cleanup, no functional change.
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[17:10:16] <CIA-69> stippi * r34095 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/tracker/ (StatusWindow.cpp StatusWindow.h):
[17:10:16] <CIA-69> Code cleanup, no functional change except for changing BWindow::Run() into
[17:10:16] <CIA-69> a BWindow::Hide()-BWindow::Show() combo.
[17:10:21] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34096 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/packagefs/ (22 files):
[17:10:21] <CIA-69> * Implemented intermediate base class PackageLeafNode for PackageFile and
[17:10:21] <CIA-69> PackageSymlink with a "fat" interface.
[17:10:21] <CIA-69> * Replaced File and Symlink by fat class LeafNode.
[17:10:22] <CIA-69> * Added Package* object management to Directory and LeafNode.
[17:10:24] <CIA-69> * Implemented packagefs_read_symlink(), so symlinks work now.
[17:10:26] <CIA-69> * Added some missing locking the kernel interface.
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[17:12:59] <CIA-69> bga * r34097 /haiku/trunk/ (headers/compatibility/bsd/sys/wait.h src/libs/bsd/wait.c): - Coding style fixes. Thanks Axel for the heads up.
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[17:40:19] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34098 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/packagefs/ (11 files):
[17:40:19] <CIA-69> * Filter out write permissions.
[17:40:19] <CIA-69> * We now report more correct stat data. The information are retrieved from the
[17:40:19] <CIA-69> Package* objects.
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[18:09:06] <CIA-69> bga * r34099 /haiku/trunk/src/libs/bsd/wait.c: - Fix tabs. That?\197?\155 the price I pay for doing Haiku development outside Haiku.
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[18:18:30] <CIA-69> axeld * r34100 /haiku/trunk/src/data/beos_mime/text/x-patch:
[18:18:30] <CIA-69> * Applied patch by Idefix that fixes the recognition rule of text/x-patch, and
[18:18:30] <CIA-69> thus closes bug #4749.
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[18:19:04] <michaelvo> hi all
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[18:20:09] <michaelvo> today this channel is nearly empty <<<< 100 users hahaha
[18:20:35] * JonathanThompson poits michaelvo so he doesn't feel so lonely
[18:21:27] * michaelvo :P I'm okey
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[18:21:56] * michaelvo with some troubles with ipv6 :P
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[18:31:12] <egarim> I've had trouble configuring jabber4haiku to work with Google Talk. I suspect I've got the server information wrong, but I'm not sure what the right setup is.
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[18:55:14] <michaelvo> someone knows why haiku don't connect at localhost listening at 3030 port?
[18:55:29] <michaelvo> I'm not a network expert
[18:55:54] <jmayfiel1> 1 2 3 4 5
[18:56:00] <michaelvo> ?
[18:56:04] <StreaK|ON> dunno
[18:56:44] <JonathanThompson> 6 7 8 9 10
[18:56:52] <michaelvo> maybe you can help Streak
[18:56:54] <michaelvo> please see
[18:58:20] <StreaK|ON> dl'ing..
[18:58:43] <michaelvo> ;)
[18:59:13] <StreaK|ON> goin' so slow
[18:59:31] <michaelvo> I have a server listening at 3030 port
[18:59:40] <michaelvo> and a client trying to connect
[19:00:03] <michaelvo> but seems that haiku detect some type of firewall on my machine
[19:00:07] <michaelvo> hahahaha
[19:00:19] <adamk_> Haiku does not have a firewall enabled by default.
[19:00:26] <adamk_> I don't think there's even one available.
[19:00:36] <adamk_> What is the server application you have running on haiku?
[19:00:39] <michaelvo> I know!! it is so strange
[19:01:03] <michaelvo> a game server.. that connects to a client
[19:01:27] <StreaK|ON> haiku should have accepting all connections because its not port restricded [ no firewall ]
[19:01:39] <umccullough> i think you still have to tell the netstack what ports are providing services
[19:01:42] <michaelvo> maybe is my dsl modem
[19:01:47] <umccullough> there's a place to configure services
[19:01:51] <Hugen> michaelvo: you no need welcome us in our channel
[19:02:22] <michaelvo> how I do it umccullough ?
[19:02:37] <michaelvo> sorry Hugen.. wrong command
[19:02:43] <umccullough> nevermind, the "services" just load when net_server starts
[19:02:45] <Hugen> ;)
[19:02:51] <umccullough> no ports are specified
[19:02:53] <michaelvo> hahahahaa
[19:03:07] <umccullough> http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/data/settings/network/services
[19:03:40] <michaelvo> because I receive the message "Address already in use"
[19:03:53] <adamk_> michaelvo, You have a game server running on Haiku?
[19:04:20] <michaelvo> hum.. it's a game that needs a local server..
[19:05:05] <Hugen> umccullough: urias, my friend, you know when we will have network preflet?
[19:05:58] <Hugen> michaelvo: your port ja2s work only with english version?
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[19:06:10] <michaelvo> I want to know too... because... sometimes.. my net hangs up,, after two minutes under haiku
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[19:06:48] <michaelvo> I don't know Hugen.. I only tested with eng language.. I hate play games with my native language
[19:08:17] <Hugen> michaelvo: and work stable for you, not any crash?
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[19:10:24] <MYOB> right, surreallest crash ever; if VLC ends up built with ffmpeg's MPEG2 decoder and not libmpeg2, it crashes when you move your mouse over the video
[19:10:26] <michaelvo> see.. I did a clean gcc4hybrid build at friday.. download my libs from haikuware.. download the ja2s.. open and play for hours
[19:10:31] <MYOB> but it crashes the BeOS interface...
[19:12:06] <Hugen> for me dont work on gcc4h
[19:12:46] <MYOB> Hugen you updated your gcc4h recently?
[19:13:24] <michaelvo> yeah.. I have the same problem updating gcc4hybrid.. so.. I build a clean version
[19:13:37] <michaelvo> this is my error message: "Establishing connection... Problem with resolving: system:-2147483643"
[19:14:02] <michaelvo> instead "found endpoints:"
[19:14:24] <Hugen> but straciattela support different language version
[19:14:38] <Hugen> MYOB: clean instalation
[19:15:56] <michaelvo> as I said.. I didn't any test with some other lang except eng
[19:16:53] <MYOB> Hugen check VLC again... they fixed a bug in the media kit
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[19:18:03] <Hugen> MYOB: in which revision?
[19:18:36] <MYOB> erm... I can't remember, gimme a sec
[19:19:36] <MYOB> 33705 it seems
[19:20:28] <MYOB> that seems too old though... let me dig more
[19:20:43] <michaelvo> I'm at rev 34009 ;)
[19:20:52] <MYOB> 33997
[19:21:06] <MYOB> http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/33997/haiku
[19:22:14] <Hugen> MYOB: ah, this change
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[19:23:36] <Hugen> MYOB: yes, I know, I help Adrian in investigation with sound problem on gcc2 with apps gcc4 vide Gnash
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[19:25:06] <MYOB> that was what was causing the VLC silences you had too
[19:26:23] <Hugen> MYOB: propably yes, but now I use gcc2h - official distro of Haiku ;)
[19:27:13] <MYOB> can anyone remember if mms:// worked in VLC on BeOS?
[19:29:14] <michaelvo> umccullough http://echelog.matzon.dk/logs/browse/haiku/1239660000 ;)
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[19:30:17] <MYOB> I'd rather not go chasing down the garden path after why its not working if it never worked, basically :P
[19:30:28] <michaelvo> hahaha MYOB
[19:31:18] <michaelvo> I didn't used BeOS too much.. I didn't a machine that runs that
[19:33:13] <MYOB> I did, but my memory is fucked
[19:33:44] <MYOB> I'm basically trying to get the new VLC OP for Haiku to the same level as BeOS ones
[19:33:54] <MYOB> DVD playback is fixed, RTSP should be fixed in a bit
[19:34:41] <StreaK|ON> MYOB, how hard would it be adding a videoWindow replicant to the VLC?
[19:35:11] <michaelvo> MYOB I have a question for you about VLC
[19:35:49] <MYOB> StreaK|ON considering I'm not a C++ coder, impossible for me... it shouldn't be too hard but you're left with the problem of the control window
[19:35:53] <MYOB> michaelvo go ahead
[19:36:44] <MYOB> StreaK|ON there is the basics of the video window understanding mouse and keyboard input (for DVD navigation) but there'd need to be a set of controls put on the window, I guess, to make it a practical replicant
[19:37:13] <michaelvo> forget! now it works ;) I don't succed to hear this > http://mp4.97fm.com.br:80/
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[19:37:48] <StreaK|ON> oh, i see ..
[19:37:50]
[19:38:27] <michaelvo> :P
[19:38:31] <MYOB> StreaK|ON the other option is to try and combine the VO window to the controller, I dunno how practical that'd be
[19:38:36] <MYOB> I'm just the "maintainer"
[19:40:40] <michaelvo> How I open a mms:// address with VLC:?
[19:40:59] <michaelvo> like that mms://video.ono.com/fg_459l_rs0_ph3u_fast_590kbh_dany_maldita/tv-globo.blogspot.com
[19:41:28] <MYOB> CLI, for the momet
[19:41:31] <MYOB> moment*
[19:41:43] <MYOB> but I'm 99% sure it doesn't work in haiku builds anyway
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[19:41:49] <michaelvo> hahaha
[19:41:56] <StreaK|ON> MYOB.. another way to get video from vlan on desktop is to create quasi-replicant thingy .. just add the ability to completely hide vlc bar and hide the border of vlc videowindow by pressing for example alt+r key..
[19:42:46] <StreaK|ON> and we're getting only borderless wideo window with movie on desktop
[19:43:44] <StreaK|ON> it will be big workaround but.. it will work almost as replicant
[19:43:56] <MYOB> *bangs head against wall* it works in the .d build with Haiku, but not the .i build I made. And I built both of the shagging things :S
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[19:46:16] <michaelvo> hahahahahaahahah
[19:46:19] <michaelvo> :P
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[19:46:25] <michaelvo> haiku giving headaches
[19:46:30] <michaelvo> seriously
[19:46:59] <michaelvo> do you notice that the rv75 of Qt don't work anymore?
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[19:47:42] <michaelvo> with Qt we got the latest version of VLC
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[19:48:09] <MYOB> michaelvo its not as easy as that
[19:48:26] <MYOB> firstly Qt needs to be *very* complete, QSound implemented, eetc
[19:48:41] <MYOB> secondly we need some further pthreads implementation in Haiku
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[19:48:48] <StreaK|ON> my arora [and qt libs ] stopped to work since rev34049
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[19:49:18] <michaelvo> it's because recent axeld changes with fonts folder
[19:49:37] <StreaK|ON> :/
[19:49:39] <michaelvo> I believe that Qt rev85 solves the problem
[19:49:43] <MYOB> if someone else wants to try it, please god do... it seems I'm the only person left around that knows the build system
[19:49:47] <michaelvo> but no one build that
[19:49:59] <StreaK|ON> anyway.. wget stop working aswell
[19:50:18] <StreaK|ON> but the older beos wget ver
[19:50:30] <StreaK|ON> prev works
[19:50:42] <michaelvo> MYOB.. I did qmms run on haiku ... but it don't open anything
[19:52:03] <michaelvo> MYOB I use VLC d version because it has a more beatiful icon ;)
[19:52:57] <MYOB> michaelvo the .i release, when done, will too
[19:53:13] <MYOB> it'll also have working DVD playback and about 20 security fixes....
[19:53:58] <MYOB> and working RTSP
[19:54:02] <MYOB> and I've just fixed mms also...
[19:54:09] <MYOB> (which .d already had)
[19:55:30] <michaelvo> huuuuuummm.. good news!!!
[19:57:00] <michaelvo> VLC says that mms channel that I said requires ipv6 ;)
[19:57:10] <michaelvo> absurd!!
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[19:58:25] <MYOB> no, it doesn't
[19:59:44] <michaelvo> $ vlc mms://video.ono.com/fg_459l_rs0_ph3u_fast_590kbh_dany_maldita/tv-globo.blogspot.com
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[20:00:02] <michaelvo> access_mms access error: error while asking for file -1 [00000256] main access error: no network module matched "ipv6"
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[20:01:09] <MYOB> michaelvo that server may be IPV6
[20:01:25] <MYOB> thats also a very strangely formatted url
[20:01:47] <MYOB> access_mms : error: HTTP/1.0 500 Internal Server Error
[20:01:52] <michaelvo> huuum
[20:01:54] <MYOB> thats the error of note
[20:02:07] <MYOB> the ipv6 warning is it letting you know its falling over to ipv4...
[20:02:52] <michaelvo> ok!
[20:03:08] <michaelvo> rebooting.. firefox hangs up
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[20:25:10] <StreaK|ON> re
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[20:29:06] <michaelvo> nothing... getting the same network error
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[20:31:41] <MYOB> michaelvo a reboot wans't going to fix it, the server has an error as I showed you with the 500 code
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[20:32:19] <michaelvo> hahaha. the reboot was to firefox ;)
[20:32:36] <michaelvo> it don't open any windows after a time
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[20:33:15] <StreaK|ON> well known error with ff and recent builds of nightlies , michael
[20:33:33] <StreaK|ON> the same here, on my pc
[20:33:36] <michaelvo> yeah
[20:34:14] <JonathanThompson> I saw a commit message I think addresses that issue.
[20:34:24] <JonathanThompson> So, get a more recent Haiku build :P
[20:34:31] <StreaK|ON> theres another surprise.. if you run ff and try to run a thunderbird after a while.. thunderbird will not start
[20:34:33] <StreaK|ON> :P
[20:34:59] <StreaK|ON> similiar with ff and running seamonkey
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[20:36:00] <StreaK|ON> im using 34049, so what version should i install? :)
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[20:36:20] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps you need to go backwards to go forwards? :P
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[20:36:50] <StreaK|ON> :)
[20:37:17] <MYOB> 34074
[20:37:28] <JonathanThompson> Get 34100, appears to be the latest at this time ;)
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[20:40:03] <StreaK|ON> will try
[20:40:06] <MYOB> I hate running in to problems I know I fixed an age ago....
[20:41:19] <michaelvo> here
[20:41:20] <michaelvo> http://img42.imageshack.us/i/screenshot4cm.png/
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[20:42:16] <StreaK|ON> damn.. how to force "wget" to download a file that existing on HDD without adding ".1"
[20:42:17] <StreaK|ON> ?
[20:42:19] <StreaK|ON> anyone?
[20:42:45] <StreaK|ON> i cant find suitable switch for this
[20:43:25] <michaelvo> everyone with network problems heuahueae
[20:43:42] <michaelvo> bsd header files are headaches too
[20:44:04] <MYOB> StreaK|ON remove the file with the same name that already there...
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[20:44:40] <helf> StreaK|ON, -r or -N
[20:45:02] <StreaK|ON> helf, will try .. thx
[20:45:13] <helf> ooooor...
[20:45:15] <helf> "wget -m -nd"
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[20:45:54] <helf> but that will download the file over the top of the old one IF the files timestamp or size has changed
[20:46:16] <StreaK|ON> thats good,
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[21:21:14] <StreaK|ON> re
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[21:29:18] <kirilla> I'm looking for a replacement motherboard for my Core 2 Quad.. any boards to recommend?
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[21:29:38] <kirilla> that works with Haiku of course
[21:34:19] <prOSy> kirilla: /me always recommends Gigabyte boards ;-)
[21:34:38] <kirilla> hi prOSy :)
[21:34:43] <prOSy> hi kirilla
[21:35:23] <prOSy> GA-P35C-DS3R runs here w C2Quad and haiku
[21:35:29] <prOSy> :-D
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[21:35:52] <kirilla> and everything onboard is supported?
[21:36:00] <prOSy> it not only runs, it's a bullet :-]
[21:36:06] <kirilla> nice
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[21:36:31] <kirilla> It's not in Haikuware's databased ;)
[21:36:57] <prOSy> well, onBoard sound and a GF6600GT PCIe card and onBoardNIC works nice
[21:37:10] <prOSy> yes, i should add it to the HWDB
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[22:50:47] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34101 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/package/PackageDataReader.cpp:
[22:50:47] <CIA-69> ZlibPackageDataReader::ReadData(): We were always copying the data from the
[22:50:47] <CIA-69> start of the chunk, which is wrong for non chunk aligned offsets.
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[23:04:47] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34102 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/packagefs/ (19 files): (log message trimmed)
[23:04:47] <CIA-69> * Package: Added Open() (and matching Close()) method, which opens the package
[23:04:47] <CIA-69> file once, tracking an open count.
[23:04:47] <CIA-69> * Added VFSInit()/VFSUninit() methods to the Node and PackageNode class
[23:04:47] <CIA-69> hierarchies, called by the {get,put}_vnode() PackageFile implements them to
[23:04:50] <CIA-69> set up/tear down access to the file data. Also added a Read() reading the
[23:04:52] <CIA-69> data.
[23:07:01] <CIA-69> axeld * r34103 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/showimage/ (ShowImageView.cpp ShowImageView.h):
[23:07:01] <CIA-69> * Applied patch by Idefix that fixes bug #4730 by removing the iterate over
[23:07:01] <CIA-69> directory functionality without Tracker.
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