November 16, 2009 
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November 16, 2009 [00:00:00] <StreaK|ON> category tree in Synthetic.. http://pastebin.com/m139b4706 -> is it fine for you, maybe add something else?[00:01:29] <kirilla> dunno[00:01:32] <idefix_xifedi> well, ' "System Tools", "??" ' isn't very descriptive :)[00:01:53] <StreaK|ON> huh.. :) error :)[00:02:00] <kirilla> Miscellaneous is such a great word[00:06:42] *** Andrius has quit IRC[00:10:30] <StreaK|ON> need to go..[00:10:34] <StreaK|ON> bye[00:10:46] <kirilla> cu StreaK|ON[00:10:52] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[00:12:19] *** fcr has joined #haiku[00:14:03] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[00:15:39] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:18:26] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[00:18:36] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[00:19:03] *** aphedox has joined #haiku[00:19:08] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[00:19:52] *** MYOB has joined #haiku[00:22:34] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34067 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/BuildSetup: Build package and packagefs with -Werror.[00:23:33] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34068 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/packagefs/ (DebugSupport.cpp DebugSupport.h): Debug support functionality -- tadjusted version taken from userlandfs.[00:24:43] <sys2> packagefs .. so that one can just open a package file and it opens in the tracker? :)[00:24:52] <sys2> like zips does in windows nowadays?[00:24:56] *** binaryimpulse_ has joined #haiku[00:25:11] *** Advant- has joined #Haiku[00:25:13] <kirilla> sys2: no that's not what pkgfs is supposed to do[00:25:31] <sys2> what is it then ? :)[00:25:39] <kirilla> it's more complex that that[00:26:35] <kirilla> in its early/simple form it will probably be an filesystem overlay limited to within /boot/common[00:26:44] <kirilla> an overlay of package content[00:26:47] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34069 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/packagefs/ (10 files in 2 dirs):[00:26:47] <CIA-69> Implemented the most basic functionality required to cleanly mount and unmount[00:26:47] <CIA-69> (at least in userlandfs).[00:27:08] <sys2> kirilla, humm, i dont get it realy ? :)[00:27:15] <kirilla> as if you have unzipped packages A, B, C, ... X, 1, 2, 3 all in /boot/common[00:27:20] <sys2> so that stuff wont actualy be installed into /boot/common ?[00:27:27] <kirilla> it will look as if its there[00:28:11] <kirilla> but you could add/remove one or more packages in a single transaction, sort of[00:28:17] <kirilla> or add[00:28:59] <sys2> kirilla, so no more cluttering of the system tree then with other words .. but where will the actual data reside then ? :)[00:29:10] <kirilla> in the packages :)[00:29:26] <sys2> so something like macosx has it in some waY?[00:29:39] <sys2> you ahve one monolithic file[00:29:52] <sys2> and whne you click it it will blow itself upp, presenting its files where they should be and you can run the app ? :)[00:30:02] <kirilla> MacOS has app folders on disk.. which is a huge collection of files hidden in a special folder.. and they have disk images for distribution[00:30:44] <sys2> but am i on the right track here? :)[00:31:10] <kirilla> welll.. no :)[00:31:27] <sys2> that there will just be one file, when you click it it will blow itself up into say /boot/common etc but not actualy do it .. but it makes it runable without modifying/installing it?[00:33:17] <kirilla> the difference is that the package for the pkgfs (the one file) is more like package from Linux land, or BeOS land, than the single "file" distribution image or app folder that MacOS X has[00:34:14] <kirilla> i.e. you (user) -opens- OSX disk image... and -runs- app (folder) .. the Haiku packages are not meant to be something the user interacts with (as single files)[00:34:31] *** binaryimpulse has quit IRC[00:34:32] *** binaryimpulse_ is now known as binaryimpulse[00:34:42] <kirilla> they're backend packages, not frontend presentation[00:35:26] <kirilla> the pkgfs itself could host any kind of content[00:35:55] *** Advant has quit IRC[00:36:02] <HeTo> if you aren't interacting (moving, copying, double-clicking) with them, why bother with the whole package file system thing and not just extract the packages under /boot/common until removed?[00:36:07] <kirilla> from BeOS-style app folders, to OSX-style app (folders), to Linux-style file-spreads like how Python or Perl usually installs on a system[00:36:28] <kirilla> HeTo: the idea is not to interact with the packages[00:36:54] <kirilla> oh.. I read "if you are"[00:37:53] <kirilla> HeTo: it's more clean than tracking files separately, or using attributes.[00:38:43] <HeTo> clean in what sense? at least you need a whole new file system that will probably reside in the kernel, for something as user-land as managing applications[00:39:42] <kirilla> HeTo: I think some of the core devs think it can also solve some more complex problems, if the pkgfs, package manager and the runtime loader work together[00:40:13] <kirilla> clean as in separation of package content[00:40:20] <HeTo> and, if the packages are just simple files, why couldn't you just move and copy them just like any other file?[00:40:47] <HeTo> and launch the application by double-clicking the package[00:41:39] <kirilla> pkgfs packages are meant to be able to host anyrything from SoundPlay to Perl to I think Haiku patches[00:41:45] *** binaryimpulse has quit IRC[00:41:52] *** binaryimpulse has joined #haiku[00:41:58] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[00:42:06] <kirilla> not just "apps"[00:42:15] <HeTo> well, I don't see Haiku patches being installed under /boot/common[00:42:43] <kirilla> that's just my speculation on the target of the early pkgfs[00:44:21] <kirilla> the rough action plan from BeGeistert was to make a simple pkgfs to begin with, and try it out with the current set of optional packages, and see how that work[00:44:26] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[00:44:37] <kirilla> and the optional packages target /boot/common, currently[00:45:27] *** NathanP has joined #Haiku[00:45:59] *** joshc has quit IRC[00:49:37] <kirilla> the pkgfs itself is more of a foundation - it's not the actual package manager[00:56:36] <NathanP> So, what's new in Haiku today?[01:01:06] *** HaikuJaxx has joined #haiku[01:01:28] *** xvedejas has joined #haiku[01:01:30] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:03:14] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[01:03:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[01:09:12] *** miqlas has quit IRC[01:11:01] *** NathanP has quit IRC[01:12:04] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[01:12:55] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[01:15:55] *** kirilla has quit IRC[01:17:50] *** adamk has quit IRC[01:18:41] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[01:22:59] *** qyellow has quit IRC[01:26:59] *** haiku has joined #haiku[01:32:17] <CIA-69> kirilla * r34070 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Translation by Johan Holmberg.[01:33:39] *** haiku has quit IRC[01:35:48] *** fengshaun has joined #haiku[01:36:27] <fengshaun> Is there a bethon tutorial somewhere? And are there any perl bindings for BeAPI yet?[01:37:48] <MYOB> there are, but unlikely for what you want - its storage kit only I believe[01:37:55] <MYOB> they're on CPAN last I checked[01:40:16] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:42:05] <fengshaun> MYOB: oh thanks![01:46:45] <CIA-69> scottmc * r488 /haikuports/trunk/dev-util/cmake/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Initial .opd for cmake-2.8.0, added license file.[01:48:35] *** DaaT has quit IRC[01:50:43] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[01:52:24] <CIA-69> scottmc * r489 /haikuporter/trunk/haikuporter: Added capability to haikuporter to include the license file(s) when building the zip package.[01:54:38] *** triplez has quit IRC[01:54:57] *** aphedox has quit IRC[01:55:50] *** lmumar has joined #haiku[01:58:45] *** baia has quit IRC[02:07:42] <CIA-69> anevilyak * r34071 /haiku/trunk/ (7 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)[02:07:42] <CIA-69> Partially implement ticket #4916:[02:07:42] <CIA-69> opening the favorites folder (~/config/settings/Tracker/go) in a[02:07:43] <CIA-69> Tracker window for the user to manipulate.[02:13:36] *** Rdam has quit IRC[02:16:24] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[02:19:37] *** gtaw has joined #haiku[02:22:45] *** Barrett has quit IRC[02:24:42] *** HaikuBot has quit IRC[02:25:40] *** lmumar has quit IRC[02:29:01] *** knottnhupfer has joined #haiku[02:29:53] *** HaikuBot has joined #haiku[02:30:38] *** KIDH_ has joined #haiku[02:33:10] *** noisetonepause has joined #haiku[02:45:46] *** crash_ has quit IRC[02:45:58] *** SiCuTDeUx__ has quit IRC[02:46:23] *** HaikuBot has quit IRC[02:46:46] *** SiCuTDeUx__ has joined #haiku[02:47:00] *** HaikuBot has joined #haiku[02:47:47] <CIA-69> scottmc * r490 /haikuports/trunk/media-libs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Updated builds of sdl-image and sdl-mixer to latest releases.[02:49:32] *** KIDH has quit IRC[02:51:32] *** triplez has joined #haiku[02:51:55] *** joeyadams has quit IRC[02:56:27] *** triplez has quit IRC[02:56:51] *** triplez has joined #haiku[03:02:47] *** HaikuBot has 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ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[11:46:44] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[11:48:35] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[11:51:08] *** skarmiglione has left #haiku[11:54:36] *** glootech has joined #haiku[11:58:30] *** PathagenX has quit IRC[12:04:41] *** noisetonepause has quit IRC[12:18:56] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[12:18:58] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[12:24:25] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[12:25:37] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[12:28:17] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[12:28:26] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[12:29:54] *** fly-away has joined #haiku[12:31:13] *** phalax has joined #haiku[12:34:57] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[12:38:39] *** ^wanhuubb-it has quit IRC[12:38:39] *** yamekidzu-it has quit IRC[12:42:13] *** HaikUbuntu has joined #haiku[12:51:39] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[12:51:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[12:56:57] <CIA-69> dlmcpaul * r34072 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/media/plugins/mp3_reader/MP3ReaderPlugin.cpp: Rework Frame Length Calculation. Fixes issue with tllts mp3[12:57:18] <CIA-69> dlmcpaul * r34073 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/media/plugins/mp3_decoder/mp3DecoderPlugin.cpp: Rework Frame Length Calculation. Fixes issue with tllts mp3[13:00:01] *** raichoo has quit IRC[13:01:55] *** sixtyace has quit IRC[13:12:37] *** phalax has quit IRC[13:17:22] *** ari2-free has quit IRC[13:17:22] *** ari-free_ has quit IRC[13:17:52] *** ari2-free has joined #haiku[13:17:56] *** ari-free has joined #haiku[13:18:18] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[13:23:27] *** HaikuJaxx has quit IRC[13:26:47] *** fly-away has quit IRC[13:26:58] *** fly-away has joined #haiku[13:39:50] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[13:40:06] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[13:40:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o aldeck[13:40:45] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[13:43:51] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[13:47:11] *** HaikUbuntu has quit IRC[13:48:02] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[13:51:02] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[13:51:37] *** SuPeRhOmEm has joined #haiku[13:57:50] *** MadEchidna has joined #haiku[14:02:30] *** ChanServ has quit IRC[14:04:37] *** ChanServ has joined #haiku[14:04:37] *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ[14:08:37] <CIA-69> axeld * r34074 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/sem.cpp:[14:08:37] <CIA-69> * Change get_next_sem_info() to be index based, not ID based - the semaphore IDs[14:08:37] <CIA-69> aren't monotonically increasing which this code was assuming. This fixes bug[14:08:37] <CIA-69> #4917.[14:10:02] *** ChanServ has quit IRC[14:13:59] *** MadEchidna has quit IRC[14:14:47] *** ChanServ has joined #haiku[14:14:47] *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ[14:15:12] *** ChanServ has quit IRC[14:16:27] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[14:17:16] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[14:18:22] *** ChanServ has joined #haiku[14:18:22] *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ[14:22:28] *** gwenael has joined #haiku[14:22:56] *** fly-away has quit IRC[14:23:30] *** fly-away has joined #haiku[14:24:30] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[14:32:30] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[14:33:52] *** dru_ has joined #haiku[14:45:27] *** Kroki has joined #haiku[14:46:55] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[14:46:59] <StreaK|ON> hiya[14:47:40] <StreaK|ON> anyone uses a ntfs partitions on haiku?[14:47:42] <StreaK|ON> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/4974[14:52:11] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[15:21:11] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[15:22:39] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[15:24:21] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[15:33:59] *** sprma has quit IRC[15:40:56] *** fly-away is now known as Rdam[15:41:01] *** Rdam is now known as Igr[15:41:22] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[15:41:27] *** Igr is now known as R123321[15:44:25] *** ChanServ has quit IRC[15:45:42] *** ChanServ has joined #haiku[15:45:42] *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ[15:55:32] *** ChanServ has quit IRC[15:55:38] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[15:58:24] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[16:01:09] *** ChanServ has joined #haiku[16:01:09] *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ[16:08:08] *** PacoLinux has joined #haiku[16:12:33] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[16:15:30] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[16:17:30] *** dflemstr has joined #haiku[16:19:29] *** noisetonepause has joined #haiku[16:20:16] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[16:20:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[16:26:30] *** broadcast has joined #haiku[16:28:52] *** SiCuTDeUx_ has quit IRC[16:44:41] *** xcasex has joined #haiku[16:45:09] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[16:58:13] *** SuPeRhOmEm has quit IRC[16:58:56] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[17:02:13] *** Baivan has joined #haiku[17:03:49] <StreaK|ON> a small gui update for synthetic -> http://omploader.org/vMnNhNg[17:05:30] <StreaK|ON> btw.. last 2 or 3 hightly builds completely freaks me otu.. firefox stopped to work / auroa stopped working [ crashing ].. damn[17:05:52] <StreaK|ON> btw.. last 2 or 3 haiku hightly builds completely freaks me out.. firefox stopped to work / auroa stopped working [ crashing ].. damn[17:05:57] *** MYOB has joined #haiku[17:06:06] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[17:07:33] <StreaK|ON> and wget crashing aswell on latest builds[17:07:36] <MYOB> anyone know how esata is handled, if at all?[17:07:48] <MYOB> as in am I likely to blow my machine up hotplugging a drive?[17:08:20] *** The123king has joined #haiku[17:08:25] *** The123king has left #haiku[17:09:30] *** The123king has joined #haiku[17:09:40] *** hoelzro has joined #haiku[17:10:35] <MYOB> well, it didn't explode[17:10:38] <MYOB> doesn't see the drive either[17:11:52] *** jan__64 has joined #haiku[17:11:54] <MYOB> reboot time[17:11:56] *** MYOB has quit IRC[17:12:45] *** redblue has joined #haiku[17:14:31] *** Barrett has quit IRC[17:14:59] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[17:15:09] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[17:16:08] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[17:17:36] *** MYOB has joined #haiku[17:18:21] <umccullough> i hotplug in sata drives all the time - windows usually detects them[17:18:46] <MYOB> well, the port works, but Haiku doesn't do hotplug...[17:19:06] <umccullough> right, doesn't surprise me - probably some special interrupts we need to handle[17:19:59] <MYOB> compared to the appalling performance of the same drive on USB2, I'm annoyed I forgot this had eSATA till now[17:20:54] <MYOB> btw, why does your keymap setting not stay persistant after a reinstall?[17:20:58] <MYOB> everything else does[17:23:24] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[17:24:06] *** sprma has joined #haiku[17:24:12] *** amuck_ has joined #haiku[17:27:47] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[17:29:22] * helf used to hotplug IDE drives when he used beos[17:29:35] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[17:29:46] <helf> You can actually do it while running windows without too much trouble :P[17:30:13] <MYOB> helf hotswap cages on a server don't count ;)[17:30:38] <helf> no[17:30:41] <MYOB> party trick in work to freak customers out is to flick a drive out of their server when showing them how to do something with it[17:30:46] <helf> this was "unplug off an ide ribbon cable"[17:31:10] <MYOB> one of the other lads forgot to check if it was actually a RAID on one once...[17:31:16] <helf> heh[17:31:41] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[17:34:41] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[17:39:53] <MYOB> looks like the installer creates a default Key_map file irrespective of whether there is one already[17:40:14] *** kirilla has quit IRC[17:41:51] <helf> probably want to fix that[17:43:51] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[17:48:27] <MYOB> I can't see where its done, though[17:55:39] <MYOB> right, how do I get an OptionalPackage on to haikufiles?[17:55:44] <MYOB> file a ticket or other/[17:56:12] *** R123321 has quit IRC[18:03:13] *** pthreat has joined #haiku[18:03:30] <pthreat> Hi, I'd like to know what's the status of the project[18:06:02] <helf> pthreat, as in?[18:06:13] <pthreat> as in, device support[18:06:14] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[18:06:46] <pthreat> wireless, video cards, sound cards[18:08:17] <pthreat> macromedia flash[18:08:18] <pthreat> etc[18:08:23] <pthreat> flash player :P[18:08:45] <helf> i think gnash has been ported[18:08:51] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[18:08:55] <helf> very few people here are much of a flash fan, afaik[18:08:56] <helf> :)[18:09:06] <pthreat> well i do like watching videos[18:09:16] <helf> vlc will play flv files ;)[18:09:25] <pthreat> what about device support[18:09:29] <helf> I honestly do not know the state of the flash support[18:09:51] <helf> pthreat, lemme see if there is a hardware list,. I do not know for sure if one exists yet[18:10:06] <adamk_> Many slightly older ATI and nVidia video cards have 2D drivers, but nothing 3D.[18:10:23] <adamk_> Wireless is in the very early stages and only supports atheros cards.[18:10:24] <adamk_> Without WEP or WPA.[18:10:42] <helf> scsi support is limited to like 2 controller families iirc[18:11:06] <pthreat> I think is a good project but it needs to get more mature[18:11:46] <helf> It is getting there[18:11:51] <adamk_> Well all operating system projects need to get more mature :-) Isn't that always the goal?[18:11:56] <pthreat> I know, looks promising[18:13:13] *** qyellow has joined #haiku[18:13:18] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:14:53] <JonathanThompson> Well, let's face it: it's Alpha :P[18:15:10] <JonathanThompson> Saying "It needs to bet more mature" is redundant at best, and EVERYONE knows that :D[18:17:18] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[18:18:23] <pthreat> JonathanThompson: yeah that was actually a loud thought, I meant, it has to be more mature for me to download it[18:18:41] * JonathanThompson shrugs[18:18:44] <JonathanThompson> Fair enough :)[18:19:08] <JonathanThompson> After all, there's no promises that it won't eat your data for breakfast, and do it silently ;)[18:19:15] <pthreat> hah[18:19:21] <JonathanThompson> Those issues *seem* to have been fixed..... but....[18:19:35] <pthreat> well anyways see you when you get there then[18:19:39] <pthreat> bye[18:19:40] *** pthreat has left #haiku[18:20:03] <adamk_> Heh.. You don't get that promise with any software :-)[18:20:19] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[18:22:23] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[18:23:06] *** sprma has quit IRC[18:23:31] *** plfiorini has left #haiku[18:24:15] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[18:27:58] *** yamokidzu-it has joined #haiku[18:32:08] *** luroh has joined #haiku[18:36:14] <JonathanThompson> For software used by mere mortals, I suppose you're right, adamk_ :P[18:36:32] <CIA-69> stippi * r34075 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/mediaplayer/ (6 files in 2 dirs):[18:36:32] <CIA-69> Work in progress for storing some window position/size related settings of[18:36:32] <CIA-69> the first window, and restoring them for audio content.[18:37:05] <MYOB> JonathanThompson our chemotherapy s/w in work doesn't provide guarantees of not nuking data, so I'm not sure what level does[18:37:19] * JonathanThompson shudders[18:37:40] <JonathanThompson> At least in the US, there's very strict requirements for medical device software creation.[18:38:35] <JonathanThompson> While that doesn't 100% guarantee anything, it (hopefully) prevents dangerous things from being released.[18:38:36] <MYOB> that being the very good reason we don't trade in the US, I'd suspect ;)[18:38:55] <JonathanThompson> Indeed.[18:39:10] <JonathanThompson> The FDA is one of those win/lose situations.[18:39:17] <HeTo> JonathanThompson: like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25[18:39:33] <JonathanThompson> And even though they try hard, sometimes what's thought to be a win later is proven to be a lose, and they have to pull something from the market.[18:41:36] *** sprma_ has joined #haiku[18:42:37] <humdinger> hi sprma_! Muss gleich weg... :)[18:42:49] <JonathanThompson> Very illuminating article, HeTo and scary as hell.[18:43:05] <JonathanThompson> That's a thedailywtf.com story if I've ever seen one, and one that's fatal :([18:44:33] * JonathanThompson hopes all those responsible got a nice overdose of radiation[18:45:46] <MYOB> well, even our chemo gear doesn't deliver doses itself, thankfully[18:45:57] <MYOB> so there is still an oncologist to blame ;)[18:46:23] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[18:48:15] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[18:48:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[18:48:38] <JonathanThompson> Well, eventually, there's always at least one human to blame: that's the way things get done in this world.[18:50:03] <JonathanThompson> The company I previously worked for on CNC/press brake software had one case where they had allowed an end customer to modify the CNC software, and it had a rather nasty result.[18:50:30] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[18:50:55] <JonathanThompson> I didn't inquire further, but I strongly suspect they never officially allowed modifications after that.[18:53:18] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[18:53:37] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[18:53:54] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[19:01:18] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[19:07:56] <CIA-69> axeld * r34076 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/registrar/TRoster.cpp: * Disabled excessive debug output.[19:13:28] <CIA-69> axeld * r34077 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/registrar/TRoster.cpp:[19:13:28] <CIA-69> * Moved loading roster settings to the point after it has been added to the[19:13:28] <CIA-69> registrar.[19:13:28] <CIA-69> * Minor cleanup.[19:14:44] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[19:15:19] *** kirilla has left #haiku[19:15:48] *** tqh has quit IRC[19:27:03] *** yamokidzu-it is now known as ^wanhuubb-it[19:27:47] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[19:30:21] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[19:31:24] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[19:32:52] *** tqh has joined #haiku[19:33:59] *** SiCuTDeUx_ has joined #haiku[19:37:25] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[19:37:43] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[19:40:46] <CIA-69> stippi * r34078 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/mediaplayer/ (MainWin.cpp MainWin.h):[19:40:46] <CIA-69> Window size handling is now a bit more robust (all this affects audio only[19:40:46] <CIA-69> and empty windows only):[19:40:46] <CIA-69> * New windows use the width from the window that was last resized by the user.[19:40:46] <CIA-69> * The first window uses the stored window position and size.[19:40:47] <CIA-69> * When switching from video content to audio content, the last window width[19:40:51] <CIA-69> from previous audio-only content is restored.[19:46:05] *** sprma_ has quit IRC[19:48:46] *** MadEchidna has joined #haiku[19:49:24] *** Baivan has quit IRC[19:50:55] *** gtaw has joined #haiku[19:53:53] *** Kroki has quit IRC[19:55:27] *** Kroki has joined #haiku[20:00:43] *** The123king has quit IRC[20:00:46] *** the123king1 has joined #haiku[20:01:47] *** the123king1 is now known as the123king[20:03:54] *** broadcast has quit IRC[20:05:01] <CIA-69> cian * r496 /haikuports/trunk/media-video/vlc/ (patches patches/vlc-0.8.6i.patch): Add VLC 0.8.6i patch which provides a compiling, linking, working build[20:05:16] *** prOSy has joined #haiku[20:07:02] <MYOB> my second time ever doing an SVN commit, woo...[20:08:02] <the123king> i have one gripe with Haiku. It doesn't support my native resolution with VESA graphics[20:08:28] <MYOB> the123king thats not Haiku's fault; its either a bad VESA BIOS or dodgy DDC on your monitor, or both[20:08:31] <mmadia> isn't that a limitation of vesa itself?[20:08:40] <MYOB> my Dell Latitude had that issue until I updated the BIOS[20:09:43] <the123king> probs the VESA BIOS[20:10:08] <the123king> mehhh... I'll live until Rudolph supports my Gefore 9600[20:10:18] <MYOB> install your latest graphics card BIOS (if any exists) or motherboard/system BIOS if you're on a laptop/onboard[20:10:33] <adamk_> My only gripe is that nothing newer than the x850 is supported by the radeon driver :-)[20:13:31] *** fly-away has joined #haiku[20:13:34] *** Zaranthos_1 has joined #Haiku[20:19:40] *** miqlas_ has joined #haiku[20:21:18] <the123king> I'm tempted actually to build a Haiku machine using a nVidia Geforce 7xxx and my spare 2.2ghz pentium dual core[20:21:19] *** miqlas_ has quit IRC[20:21:52] *** Zaranthos has quit IRC[20:21:52] *** Zaranthos_1 is now known as Zaranthos[20:21:54] <the123king> all i'd need is a case and a tin of paint to make my beige drives look better[20:22:34] *** miqlas has quit IRC[20:28:29] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[20:35:37] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[20:38:24] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[20:39:34] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[20:39:46] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[20:39:56] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[20:57:29] *** joeyadams has joined #haiku[20:59:43] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[21:00:09] *** humdinger has quit IRC[21:01:20] <the123king> there's no Windows-compatible Haiku FS driover is there?[21:01:33] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[21:04:35] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[21:04:47] <JonathanThompson> Nothing you'd want to use.[21:06:38] <the123king> fairy nuff[21:11:00] *** jan__64_ has joined #haiku[21:12:48] *** miqlas has quit IRC[21:15:37] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[21:18:49] *** Androo has joined #haiku[21:19:08] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[21:19:13] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[21:19:15] *** MadEchidna has quit IRC[21:20:54] *** xvedejas has joined #haiku[21:22:34] *** Androo has quit IRC[21:25:07] *** jan__64_ has quit IRC[21:26:53] *** prOSy has quit IRC[21:28:07] *** jan__64 has quit IRC[21:35:13] *** luroh has quit IRC[21:35:27] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[21:41:55] *** xcasex has quit IRC[21:43:52] *** dres has quit IRC[21:50:35] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[21:52:41] *** oco has joined #haiku[21:53:41] *** phalax has joined #haiku[22:00:07] *** Hugen has quit IRC[22:03:46] *** ^wanhuubb-it has quit IRC[22:04:01] *** yamokidzu-it has joined #haiku[22:05:40] *** yamokidzu-it has quit IRC[22:06:16] *** yamokidzu-it has joined #haiku[22:06:45] <the123king> updating my source is taking a rather long time :|[22:08:07] *** kitallis has quit IRC[22:08:48] *** Barrett has quit IRC[22:10:13] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[22:13:53] *** MYOB has quit IRC[22:14:39] *** qyellow has quit IRC[22:15:26] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[22:18:22] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[22:19:08] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[22:20:18] *** xvedejas has quit IRC[22:21:14] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[22:22:52] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[22:24:34] *** pulkomandy has joined #haiku[22:26:48] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[22:28:52] *** the123king has quit IRC[22:30:49] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[22:32:03] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:32:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[22:33:38] <sys2> yey installing haiku on laptop dedicated to haiku =)[22:35:54] *** yamokidzu-it has quit IRC[22:39:34] *** kr1stof has left #haiku[22:39:48] <sys2> who was it that ported dmd to haiku ?[22:40:51] <mmu_man> dmd ?[22:40:58] <sys2> digital mars d compiler[22:41:19] <cpr420> I think OmniMancer was working on ldc[22:43:00] *** gtaw has quit IRC[22:43:20] <sys2> is he ?[22:43:27] <sys2> cause ldc isnt that hard to port .. tango is :P[22:43:33] <sys2> gah .. when you cant get hold of people[22:43:39] <sys2> why isnt everyone on IRC 24/7[22:44:35] <sys2> only problem with ldc is the damn strtold we never seem to get in haiku :P[22:44:41] <mmu_man> already too busy to finish porting the go stuff, so[22:46:32] <JonathanThompson> Are you saying things are coming to a stop because of go?[22:47:17] <mmu_man> I was about to start saying so but you stopped me :p[22:48:16] <sys2> huh ? :)[22:49:17] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[22:49:18] <oco> mmu_man : not yet finished ? what are you doing ? ;-)[22:51:31] <sys2> you porting go to haiku ? :)[22:52:24] *** MYOB has joined #haiku[22:52:33] *** skarmiglione has joined #haiku[22:54:31] * JonathanThompson awaits Haiku's new garbage-collected overlords[22:54:49] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[22:58:05] <waveshaper> sys2: though I havent tried it myself, gcc has D support doesnt it?[22:59:34] <sys2> waveshaper, old as sin[22:59:35] <sys2> yes[22:59:40] <sys2> GDC ...[22:59:50] <waveshaper> mh[23:00:03] <sys2> gah what can it be when the haiku alpha 1 cd boots fins on the computer, but when its installed it doesnt work ?[23:00:11] <sys2> cant get past the rocket[23:04:31] <mmu_man> oco need to prepare for tomorrow (fOSSa)[23:04:32] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[23:04:37] *** killermouse0 has joined #haiku[23:04:45] <mmu_man> anyone near Grenoble ? :)[23:04:59] <StreaK|ON> nope[23:05:00] <mmu_man> sys2 http://revolf.free.fr/beos/patches/golang-haiku-002.diff[23:05:08] <thebolt> probably, as far as i know it is pretty densly populated area ;-)[23:05:14] <sys2> anything that is good with go lang? :)[23:05:53] <oco> mmu_man : fOSSa ?[23:06:06] <StreaK|ON> golang on haiku.. yummy[23:07:42] <sys2> btw, anyone skilled in binding say c++ classes to a language that cant link against c++ ? :)[23:07:51] <sys2> like C# or whatever[23:07:56] <sys2> BeAPI needs a binding for D =)[23:08:35] *** Kroki has quit IRC[23:10:28] *** redblue has quit IRC[23:10:29] <mmu_man> oco http://www.ow2.org/view/Events/fOSSaConferenceGrenobleFrance[23:10:39] <CIA-69> cian * r497 /haikuports/trunk/media-video/ffmpeg/patches/ffmpeg-r7407.patch:[23:10:39] <CIA-69> Added patch to enable ffmpeg SVN r7407 (required for VLC) to build.[23:10:39] <CIA-69> Source to follow on the FTP[23:11:20] <oco> sys2 i have start something for Freepascal many years ago... I should restart looking at this one day[23:11:49] <mmu_man> ah yes I still have fixes to commit to ffmpeg[23:12:07] <sys2> if omni isnt porting ldc to haiku i will be doing it as soon as i get a working install on the haiku lappy[23:12:27] <sys2> then to port tango[23:12:33] <sys2> LDC and tango is needed in any way[23:14:32] <oco> mmu_man : oh nice ! a 30 min presentation ![23:16:13] <mmu_man> 10min + 10min demo + questions[23:16:22] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[23:16:44] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[23:17:26] *** SiCuTDeUx_ has quit IRC[23:20:03] <waveshaper> hm. Im starting to regret Im using a float format for my new software mixer, because little did I know about all the rounding issues it has :)[23:20:20] <thebolt> hehe[23:20:26] <waveshaper> fun thing is that my unit test works on haiku but not on win32 using the same gcc version[23:21:50] <oco> mmu_man: on my side, i will probably attend a linux creative party with clockwerk in december : http://www.asca-asso.com/le-labo/evenements-13/linux-creative-party-h24[23:22:12] <mmu_man> cool[23:22:30] <mmu_man> must not forget Live eTIC too[23:22:46] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[23:23:08] <thebolt> waveshaper: you're setting rounding mode explicitly when needed etc?[23:24:00] <waveshaper> thbolt: no. but from what Im seeing I think what I want is to floor the values[23:24:14] *** fran has joined #haiku[23:24:42] <waveshaper> problem is, this project is multiplatform[23:24:49] <waveshaper> so I cannot just jump into assembly[23:25:01] *** MadEchidna has joined #haiku[23:26:10] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[23:26:28] <mmu_man> waveshaper floorf() ?[23:26:49] <mmu_man> http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/basedefs/math.h.html[23:27:29] *** dflemstr has quit IRC[23:27:46] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:27:50] <waveshaper> oh my. you have float_t :p[23:27:58] <waveshaper> thank you[23:28:36] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[23:31:45] *** kallisti7 has joined #haiku[23:33:22] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[23:37:45] *** PasNox has quit IRC[23:42:25] *** dru_ has quit IRC[23:42:31] *** raichoo has quit IRC[23:42:38] *** kallisti5 has quit IRC[23:46:10] *** killermouse0 has quit IRC[23:47:22] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[23:48:21] <CIA-69> stippi * r34079 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/mediaplayer/ (9 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)[23:48:21] <CIA-69> * Moved the about alert handling into the application[23:48:21] <CIA-69> * Simplified the handling of the first window and removed FirstWindow(),[23:48:21] <CIA-69> we can tell by fPlayerCount.[23:48:21] <CIA-69> * Both the above would fix a crash when requesting the about alert with the[23:48:21] <CIA-69> first window already gone. Respectively another player instance opening[23:48:25] <CIA-69> if fFirstWindow was reset to NULL after some recent revision.[23:51:01] *** MrSunshine_ has joined #haiku[23:51:06] <CIA-69> stippi * r34080 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/mediaplayer/media_node_framework/audio/AudioProducer.cpp: Disabled tracing again.[23:54:29] *** MYOB has quit IRC[23:56:36] *** binaryimpulse has joined #haiku[23:59:50] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[23:59:50] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku