November 15, 2009 
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November 15, 2009 [00:01:16] *** gtaw has joined #haiku[00:02:15] *** dflemstr has quit IRC[00:02:26] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[00:02:40] <pARAd0X85> the website of Qt-Haiku contain some typing mistakes, and some titles are in french[00:04:26] <mmadia42> it's a 3rd party site.[00:04:29] <kirilla> well, that's open-source ;)[00:04:42] <kirilla> patches welcome![00:05:25] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[00:08:34] * JonathanThompson patches kirilla[00:08:37] <DraX> woah, no wonder people switch to OS X, linux is really confusing[00:08:51] <DraX> there's like 20 different interfaces for everything depending on what hardware you have[00:08:53] <kirilla> JonathanThompson: Oh, I'll patch you goood! :))[00:08:59] <JonathanThompson> Linux: nerdvana for tweakers :P[00:09:19] <DraX> you can make a tweakable OS that's consistent[00:09:30] <JonathanThompson> But, it wouldn't be Linux :P[00:10:05] <JonathanThompson> Meanwhile,I think the most recent posting on OSNews will get a HUGE string of comments.[00:10:17] <JonathanThompson> Despite it being on the weekend.[00:10:40] * JonathanThompson predicts > 200 comments[00:10:59] <DraX> bbiab[00:11:24] <kirilla> JonathanThompson: which one? the apple vs psystar?[00:11:28] <JonathanThompson> Yes.[00:11:40] <kirilla> really ? :)[00:11:44] <JonathanThompson> All the crazies will come out of the woodwork :D[00:11:54] * JonathanThompson laughs maniacally[00:11:58] <kirilla> maybe you know the crowd better than I do.. it just seems like a very boring topic[00:12:11] <kirilla> I mean, who cares[00:12:18] *** redblue has quit IRC[00:12:22] <JonathanThompson> Well, it'll excite a lot of angry geeks.[00:12:34] <JonathanThompson> Granted, the topic has gotten old :)[00:15:55] <pARAd0X85> DraX, you said what about Linux ?[00:16:15] *** miqlas_ has quit IRC[00:16:17] <pARAd0X85> I can't see 20 interfaces ! o.O[00:16:50] * JonathanThompson hands pARAd0X85 glasses that allows him to see 20/20 interfaces[00:17:04] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[00:17:08] <kirilla> ow, out of sugar and icecream, what's am I gonna doo[00:17:46] <JonathanThompson> Rob an icecream truck.[00:17:52] *** PasNox has quit IRC[00:18:10] <JonathanThompson> Or, swap out its goods for steaming hot hot dogs and sausages on buns, just to blow their minds :)[00:19:12] <kirilla> past midnight I'm more likely to get robbed myself than encounter an ice cream truck :)).. so.. coffee to the rescue[00:19:49] <kirilla> pARAd0X85: alsa, opensound, pulseaudio.. that's 3[00:20:38] <pARAd0X85> kirilla, 3 not 20[00:20:53] <pARAd0X85> and the sound is a small problem in Linux[00:20:57] <kirilla> that was just a sample :)[00:21:13] <pARAd0X85> but when you install a distro, it only run[00:21:38] <kirilla> same with Windows.. bloated, but it runs :))[00:22:13] <JonathanThompson> kirilla: I wonder if you visited New York, New York if you'd have a better chance, or perhaps in Las Vegas :D[00:22:26] <kirilla> I'm sure![00:22:38] <JonathanThompson> Though honestly, most of the year in Las Vegas, ice cream outside would melt REALLY quickly.[00:22:59] *** tombhad-AC has quit IRC[00:23:03] * JonathanThompson remembers the WalterCon held there, 110 F in the shade[00:23:14] <JonathanThompson> But, it was a dry heat :D[00:23:43] <kirilla> heh[00:23:51] <DraX> wifi[00:24:11] <pARAd0X85> kirilla, windows isn't open source[00:24:26] * JonathanThompson gasps from that shocking revelation :D[00:24:33] <DraX> i understand porting is really bad since there isn't a clean HAL layer[00:24:36] <DraX> s/layer//[00:24:55] <JonathanThompson> Every OS needs a Hell Abstraction Layer :)[00:25:12] <kirilla> pARAd0X85: true, and they have no fragmentation/bazaar chaos to blame for their lack of order[00:25:46] <kirilla> I wish I had a nice abstraction s/layer :)[00:25:50] <JonathanThompson> kirilla: Microsoft is so huge they don't know what one part of the company is doing while in another :)[00:25:52] *** alexsuraci has quit IRC[00:26:16] <DraX> seems like there isn't a consistent interface for cpu stepping either[00:26:40] *** markos_ has left #haiku[00:26:44] <kirilla> perhaps the business folks pull everyone's strings?[00:27:08] <JonathanThompson> No doubt, there's a lot of that: it IS a corporation....[00:27:09] *** alexsuraci has joined #haiku[00:27:13] <pARAd0X85> kirilla, good developers chose their system, and don't say other people systems sucks[00:27:35] <JonathanThompson> And they exist to make money, not be purists of beauty in design with limited resources.[00:27:47] <pARAd0X85> Linux is used from embedded small things to huge supercomputers[00:27:57] <JonathanThompson> Funny, so is Windows :)[00:28:13] <kirilla> epic[00:28:22] <JonathanThompson> Though, granted, the smallest devices are usually using Windows Mobile, or whatever it's called.[00:28:26] <JonathanThompson> (The name changes over time)[00:28:35] <JonathanThompson> And it's not *quite* the same OS.[00:28:56] <JonathanThompson> The iPhone OS is closer in many ways to the desktop OSX than Windows Mobile is to the desktop Windows.[00:28:58] <kirilla> pARAd0X85: so what do you think about Haiku?[00:29:33] <kirilla> pARAd0X85: did you hear about Haiku in relation to the Qt-Haiku port?[00:29:57] <pARAd0X85> kirilla, I think that I can become a good OS for desktop[00:30:07] <pARAd0X85> s/I/it[00:30:28] <pARAd0X85> I used BeOS...[00:30:28] *** umccullough has quit IRC[00:30:35] <kirilla> that's what we hope/work for :)[00:30:48] <kirilla> aha :)[00:31:08] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[00:31:09] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[00:31:10] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[00:31:28] <pARAd0X85> if Haiku will get many users, it can become similar to Linux[00:31:41] <pARAd0X85> specially when many company start developing it[00:32:09] <kirilla> that'd be cool[00:32:41] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[00:36:19] *** umccullough has joined #haiku[00:39:32] <pARAd0X85> Does the Haiku alpha has an Intel accelerated gpu driver ?[00:40:50] <kirilla> pARAd0X85: there's a driver which supports many of the intel vga chipsets[00:41:29] <kirilla> the only problematic one I know of personally is the 815[00:41:31] <pARAd0X85> I want to know if it has some accelerated features[00:41:35] <kirilla> 2D[00:42:10] <kirilla> it does blitting, accelarated moves of blocks[00:42:36] *** Barrett has quit IRC[00:42:47] <kirilla> even if your hardware should fall back to vesa it's really no big issue[00:42:55] <kirilla> it works nicely to[00:43:00] <kirilla> too[00:43:31] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[00:43:49] <kirilla> granted, you won't get transparent and wobbly windows until we get proper 3D acceleration done[00:43:53] *** leszek has quit IRC[00:45:14] <kirilla> There's some work underway to integrate gallium3d to enable hardware-accelerated 3D.[00:47:13] *** dflemstr_ has quit IRC[00:47:34] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[00:48:25] *** oco has joined #haiku[00:48:38] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[00:54:09] *** fhein has quit IRC[00:54:29] <MadEchidna> JonathanThompson, I just saw your name online[00:54:30] <MadEchidna> http://www.osnews.com/thread?394680[00:54:35] <MadEchidna> it is a small internet after al[00:54:41] <JonathanThompson> Of course it is :P[00:54:48] <JonathanThompson> We're all connected somehow :P[00:55:04] <MadEchidna> no, I don't use facebook :V[00:55:12] <JonathanThompson> I don't, either.[00:55:22] <MadEchidna> I use Linkedin though[00:55:28] <JonathanThompson> So do I.[00:55:34] <MadEchidna> Leandar Kahney added me on there so I'm proud of myself :P[00:55:43] * JonathanThompson has no clue who that is[00:55:59] <MadEchidna> he's a writer for Wired who runs "The Cult of Mac" book[00:56:06] <MadEchidna> he also published a couple books about that[00:57:02] <JonathanThompson> I still find myself scratching my head over who thought Psystar would prevail in the US.[00:57:10] <CIA-69> korli * r34048 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/network/wget/ (386 files in 13 dirs): merge wget 1.12.0 to trunk[00:57:25] <JonathanThompson> I can't speak for how things will go in other countries, but it was a foregone conclusion to anyone that has a clue about how things are in the US.[00:58:08] <MadEchidna> I don't know, the whole thing seems odd[00:58:31] <MadEchidna> can a book plublisher forbid their book be shelved on a certain brand book shelve?[00:58:52] *** korli has joined #haiku[00:58:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[00:58:55] <JonathanThompson> An interesting question, but things aren't exactly the same.[00:59:03] <MadEchidna> although, didn't psystar have to break drm to accomplish it?[00:59:10] <MadEchidna> is so, blatant DMCA violation[00:59:13] <JonathanThompson> That's part of what they did, yes.[00:59:15] <MadEchidna> about as legal as selling pot[00:59:26] <JonathanThompson> But, by breaking the DMCA, they also modified the works.[00:59:32] <MadEchidna> well, sounds like Thom is hyperfocusing on hippie ideals and ignoring clear cut laws[00:59:38] <JonathanThompson> And thus the derivative works argument comes up.[00:59:45] <JonathanThompson> Nothing new there :P[01:00:09] <JonathanThompson> Remember: he lives where pot is legal :P[01:00:10] <MadEchidna> I've been thinking about making a blog called" Thom is a big fat idot"[01:00:22] <JonathanThompson> Make sure you add the other i ;)[01:00:26] <MadEchidna> because there are just some things he says on OSnews that make me :picard:[01:00:30] <MadEchidna> lol idot[01:01:09] <JonathanThompson> I wonder if Patrick Stewart ever considered he might be plastered all over the net with a particular shot from a job :P[01:01:18] <JonathanThompson> Him, and Jonathan Frakes.[01:01:38] <MadEchidna> I used the facepalm pic at work this week :P[01:01:41] <JonathanThompson> Of course, if he gets any sort of royalties from the whole thing, why not? :P[01:01:43] <MadEchidna> my boss laughed and laughed[01:01:53] *** korli has quit IRC[01:01:55] <MadEchidna> he had emailed me telling me I forgot to attach something[01:02:05] <MadEchidna> so I sent a reply with nothing but the facepalm pic[01:02:31] <JonathanThompson> IT would have definitely been a facepalm if you'd sent the email without attaching that :P[01:02:48] <MadEchidna> well I just pasted it into outlood[01:02:50] <MadEchidna> *outlook[01:03:18] <MadEchidna> man Eugenia Loli Queru should interview geist about similarities between BeIA and Web os and Android[01:03:52] <CIA-69> korli * r34049 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/network/wget/src/version.c: forgot to add this file[01:04:09] <JonathanThompson> Oh, what a tangled WebOS we weave, when first we practice to believe![01:04:17] <JonathanThompson> :X[01:04:18] <MadEchidna> wut[01:04:34] <MadEchidna> Hey JonathanThompson you any good at assembling phones :|[01:04:45] <MadEchidna> I took apart my HTC Hero and now I am kind of intimidated[01:04:52] <JonathanThompson> I don't know the answer to that question, MadEchidna :D[01:05:16] *** korli has joined #haiku[01:05:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[01:05:29] <JonathanThompson> I have repaired pagers long long ago in a land far far away in past employment.[01:05:48] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[01:05:59] <MadEchidna> my freaking phone is a big mac or something[01:06:06] <MadEchidna> it comes apart into like 5 different slices[01:06:10] <JonathanThompson> Complete with special sauce?[01:06:15] <MadEchidna> with delicate ribbon cables all through[01:06:26] <JonathanThompson> MadEchidna: I think you're screwed :D[01:06:33] <MadEchidna> >_>[01:06:36] <MadEchidna> thanks for the encouragement[01:06:42] <JonathanThompson> Hey, no problem![01:06:55] <MadEchidna> I wonder, if I walk a mile to McDonalds and back could I offset a big mac[01:06:56] <JonathanThompson> And that is why I don't take apart things that are currently working...[01:07:03] <MadEchidna> it wasn't working[01:07:06] <JonathanThompson> Not even close.[01:07:19] <MadEchidna> one of the cables came loose and the screen was washed out[01:07:21] <JonathanThompson> Not unless you were carrying a couple other people while doing it.[01:07:40] <MadEchidna> does weighing 300 lbs count? :V[01:07:42] <JonathanThompson> As large as I am, I'd only use perhaps 150 calories to travel a mile.[01:07:58] * JonathanThompson suddenly wonders how large MadEchidna is[01:08:09] <MadEchidna> well I could show you a picture[01:08:17] <JonathanThompson> Would I faint in fright?[01:08:32] <JonathanThompson> (Just asking :P )[01:08:58] <JonathanThompson> I need to lose weight, but I'm certainly nowhere near that range.[01:09:04] <MadEchidna> http://twitpic.com/e8y63[01:09:11] * JonathanThompson hopes MadEchidna is a pro wrestler in size[01:09:25] <JonathanThompson> How tall are you?[01:09:32] <MadEchidna> 6'7"[01:09:51] <JonathanThompson> Sort of hard to tell what your overall shape is from that picture.[01:09:54] *** Hugen has quit IRC[01:10:01] <JonathanThompson> But, hey, you're just plain big, regardless.[01:10:12] <JonathanThompson> I'm glad to hear you're not 5'6"[01:10:33] <MadEchidna> well what are you expecting, a pic of me in a swimsuit :P[01:10:34] <MadEchidna> http://twitpic.com/aw8hn[01:10:41] <JonathanThompson> Er, no :P[01:11:02] * JonathanThompson suspects MadEchidna doesn't own too small of a car[01:11:16] <MadEchidna> I stick to busses[01:11:23] <MadEchidna> but when I do drive it's difficult for me[01:11:27] *** HaikuBot has quit IRC[01:11:38] <MadEchidna> in "midsize sedans" I have to drive with my ankle twisted[01:11:42] <JonathanThompson> That's one of the reasons I'm not unhappy that I'm not taller than I am already.[01:11:42] <MadEchidna> not enough leg room[01:12:15] <JonathanThompson> Put succinctly: there's not enough advantages to being larger than I am to make up for things.[01:12:49] <MadEchidna> now here is a sexy picture http://twitpic.com/7o02b[01:13:12] <JonathanThompson> Much prettier :P[01:14:27] <kirilla> please, at least not Chart..[01:14:34] <MadEchidna> where'd my beer go[01:14:38] <MadEchidna> oh there it is[01:14:45] <MadEchidna> what's wrong with chart[01:14:56] <JonathanThompson> Oh no, he charted! :D[01:17:21] *** Andrius has quit IRC[01:18:48] <JonathanThompson> MadEchidna: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=charted[01:21:19] *** glootech has quit IRC[01:29:15] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[01:45:51] *** kirilla has quit IRC[01:51:30] *** wildur has quit IRC[01:54:45] *** joshc has quit IRC[01:55:33] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[01:56:22] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[02:12:55] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[02:17:02] *** redblue has joined #haiku[02:18:20] *** korli has quit IRC[02:20:17] *** SiCuTDeUx__ has joined #haiku[02:27:26] *** SiCuTDeUx_ has quit IRC[02:28:11] *** [r4] has quit IRC[02:28:26] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[02:34:12] <CIA-69> kirilla * r34050 /haiku/trunk/ (9 files in 4 dirs): i18n, initial translation to Swedish[02:35:51] *** adamk has quit IRC[02:37:55] *** adamk has joined #haiku[02:38:47] *** leonard_ has quit IRC[02:39:20] *** leonard_ has joined #haiku[02:40:30] *** 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joined #haiku[08:05:12] *** nutela has joined #haiku[08:06:16] *** joshc has joined #haiku[08:17:03] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[08:18:17] *** noisetonepause has quit IRC[08:19:03] *** m0ns00n has joined #haiku[08:19:19] *** triplez has quit IRC[08:19:22] *** triplez_ is now known as triplez[08:20:19] *** nutela1 has joined #haiku[08:23:16] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[08:24:48] *** prOSy has joined #haiku[08:26:09] *** dres has quit IRC[08:26:09] *** ivoire has quit IRC[08:26:20] *** ivoire has joined #haiku[08:27:45] *** dres has joined #haiku[08:28:19] *** nutela1 has quit IRC[08:30:35] *** nutela has quit IRC[08:42:22] *** irfan9727 has joined #haiku[08:42:43] *** Silicon_Wolf has joined #haiku[08:43:16] *** Barrett has quit IRC[08:44:44] *** nutela has joined #haiku[08:45:21] *** sprma has joined #haiku[08:47:07] *** nutela has quit IRC[08:54:29] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[08:58:07] *** mchasard has joined #haiku[08:58:16] <mchasard> hi[08:59:54] <mchasard> i used beos many years ago[09:00:41] <dres> and?[09:00:52] <mchasard> i don't know where your haiku project is[09:01:01] <mchasard> but i'm interesting to try it[09:01:03] <dres> www.haiku-os.org[09:01:10] <mchasard> just a question[09:01:35] <dres> ask[09:01:39] <mchasard> the image can be run as a live cd to test it ot is it only an install live cd ?[09:02:02] <dres> 2 in 1[09:02:14] <mchasard> isaw also a zeven os project based on ubuntu ut its not a beos really os[09:02:36] <dres> i know it[09:02:37] <mchasard> so the best way is to try as livecd before install[09:02:49] <mchasard> so what do you think about also zeven os ?[09:03:27] <mchasard> i remember beos as a cool os ... but it stop all[09:03:51] <dres> you dont must install haiku to try it...[09:04:04] <dres> just download .iso, burn, and boot[09:04:07] <mchasard> ok ... and the minimum config ?[09:04:26] <dres> i don't know, but smal :P[09:04:29] <dres> *small[09:04:38] <mchasard> is it possible to run with eeepc ?[09:04:55] <mchasard> or driver like wifi driver etc is not developed ?[09:05:10] <dres> i don't know[09:05:13] <dres> try and chek ;p[09:05:15] <dres> *check[09:05:17] <mchasard> hum ok ...[09:05:31] <mchasard> no eeepc user use haiku here ?[09:05:47] <mchasard> thanks ... i 'll have a try and report ...[09:06:20] <mchasard> haiku is the continues beos ...zeven is an ubuntu so[09:06:41] <mchasard> so haiku should be required smallest config than zevenos[09:07:46] *** fhein has joined #haiku[09:07:52] <mchasard> thanks to you[09:08:18] <dres> no problem[09:08:19] <dres> just try[09:09:32] <mchasard> bye be back later ...[09:09:50] <mchasard> iso is only 164Mo ?[09:09:59] <dres> yes :)[09:10:11] <mchasard> hum its a zip file[09:10:26] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[09:11:24] <dres> download[09:11:54] *** yamokidzu-it has joined #haiku[09:14:03] <mchasard> i should retrieve the beos enjoy ..[09:14:05] <mchasard> lol[09:16:17] *** The123king has joined #haiku[09:19:34] <m0ns00n> Morning[09:19:34] <m0ns00n> :)[09:21:48] <mchasard> i burn it hope it can be load on my old dell as livecd ...[09:23:10] <mchasard> is it the only initiative about beos at the moment ?[09:26:08] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[09:27:14] *** pARAd0X85 has joined #haiku[09:28:42] *** redblue has joined #haiku[09:28:47] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34052 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/package/PackageData.h: Don't return a bogus offset for inline data.[09:28:49] <m0ns00n> mchasard: What do you mean?[09:31:09] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34053 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/package/ (DataReader.cpp DataReader.h): Added AttributeDataReader, a DataReader implementation for attributes.[09:32:00] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34054 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/package/command_extract.cpp: Incorrectly used errno instead of error.[09:33:22] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34055 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/package/ (PackageWriter.cpp PackageWriter.h):[09:33:22] <CIA-69> * Got rid of the *Data classes. The *DataReader classes do the same.[09:33:22] <CIA-69> * Implemented writing of short data inline in the TOC.[09:33:28] *** skarmiglione has joined #haiku[09:35:31] *** mchasard has quit IRC[09:44:58] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[09:51:56] <CIA-69> humdinger * r34056 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/diskusage/Common.h: Changed path to user guide help. Should fix #2891. Thanks, diver, for noticing. [BTW, paths to help files are another thing to remember for localization.][09:52:49] *** yamokidzu-it has quit IRC[09:53:03] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[09:58:54] *** killermouse0 has joined #haiku[09:59:27] *** pARAd0X85 has quit IRC[10:01:22] *** irfan9727 has quit IRC[10:03:18] *** raichoo has quit IRC[10:04:27] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[10:11:48] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[10:13:50] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[10:24:13] *** yamokidzu-it has joined #haiku[10:32:33] <humdinger> hi VinDuv![10:32:58] <humdinger> I hope my constant mailing doesn't annoy you.[10:33:24] <humdinger> I feel bad about it...[10:35:46] *** mchasard has joined #haiku[10:35:57] <mchasard> hi[10:36:01] *** glootech has joined #haiku[10:36:05] <humdinger> hi mchasard[10:36:23] <mchasard> hi i just burn cd to launch it[10:36:47] <humdinger> nice. alpha CD? does it work?[10:36:49] <mchasard> but i have nothing , the screen stay black ... no invite ...nothing[10:36:58] <mchasard> not really working[10:36:59] <mchasard> sorry[10:37:09] <mchasard> perhaps the iso image ?[10:37:18] <humdinger> press Space as soon as it starts booting for safe options[10:37:55] <mchasard> yes and after choose resolution etc ...?[10:37:55] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[10:38:27] <humdinger> video safe mode should at least give you VESA[10:38:34] <humdinger> maybe try disabling DMA[10:38:45] <mchasard> disable DMA hum ok[10:38:49] <humdinger> or ACPI[10:38:59] <mchasard> so space ti get option before booting ?[10:39:01] <humdinger> I dunno. I'm bad with hardware...[10:39:13] <mchasard> i have an old dell[10:39:13] <humdinger> but lucky to have everyhting working here .)[10:39:22] <humdinger> well, a dell...[10:39:24] <humdinger> :)[10:39:26] <mchasard> it workrd with beos before[10:39:33] <humdinger> there could be anything in there[10:39:45] <humdinger> Then it should also do so with haiku[10:40:52] <mchasard> hum how can i verify if my iso is not corrupterd ?[10:41:11] <humdinger> No idea. Maybe try it in vmplayer?[10:41:35] <humdinger> I never managed to boot a burnt Alpha CD either.[10:41:46] <mchasard> hum ok haiku is really the following project of beos ?[10:42:01] <humdinger> One can express it like that.[10:42:04] <mchasard> i have to retry so ...thanks[10:42:18] <humdinger> not at all.[10:42:25] <humdinger> welcome.[10:42:28] <humdinger> back :)[10:42:51] <mchasard> ok i should report if i can see options before boot[10:43:39] <humdinger> yep. if there are no options coming up, the iso may not correctly boot to begin with.[10:43:53] *** triplez has quit IRC[10:44:03] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[10:45:08] <miqlas> Hello![10:45:18] <humdinger> hi miqlas![10:45:26] <humdinger> How's the translating going?[10:47:21] *** triplez has joined #haiku[10:47:48] *** bknoedel has joined #haiku[10:48:41] <VinDuv> humdinger: I have no problems receiving a lot of feedback, but emails are not really a good solution IMO[10:48:59] *** phalax has quit IRC[10:49:17] <humdinger> VinDuv: OK, how else? I posted today in the documentation mailinglist.[10:49:24] <humdinger> hoping you'd read it there[10:49:25] <miqlas> humdinger, if you ask me, it is going very slowly, because i'm working now.[10:49:25] <VinDuv> We probably should have a bug/request tracker for the translate tool[10:49:53] <humdinger> Maybe we should ask for a component in Trac?[10:50:05] <OmniMancer1> I believe haiku runs on eeepcs[10:50:12] <humdinger> I'd be all for that, even if the site itself ATM is hosted elsewhere[10:50:33] <humdinger> miqlas: never mind. just be rady for R1 :)[10:50:36] <OmniMancer1> and there is an experimental wifi driver but it only works with atheros chipsets and has no encryption[10:51:19] <miqlas> humdinger: Ok :)[10:51:56] *** phalax has joined #haiku[10:54:29] <humdinger> VinDuv: Could you try to address the one doc-mail posting about XML parsing relaxing? That's what hinders translations a bit.[10:55:00] <humdinger> Of course it's not really "urgent" at all, but.... you know....[10:58:54] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[10:59:51] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34057 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/package/compression/ (ZlibCompressor.cpp ZlibDecompressor.cpp):[10:59:51] <CIA-69> Apparently I didn't manage to put the class implementations in the matching[10:59:51] <CIA-69> source files.[11:00:22] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[11:00:43] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[11:04:06] *** mchasard has left #haiku[11:04:41] *** bknoedel has quit IRC[11:04:55] <humdinger> nice work on the zippo, kirilla![11:05:07] <kirilla> thanks :)[11:05:08] <humdinger> haven't tested it yet, however....[11:05:15] <kirilla> heh :)[11:05:27] <kirilla> well, reserve your judgement until then! ;)[11:05:28] <humdinger> I'll wait a bit for my next Haiku update.[11:05:48] <humdinger> I'm curious about the scheduler and team priority improvments[11:06:00] <humdinger> but read bout a few stability issues ATM[11:06:46] <kirilla> I've got some major periodical hangs with this quad of mine.. a recent regression.. which truly makes it a pain to use[11:07:04] <kirilla> the only instability I ever see is with Tracker[11:07:22] <humdinger> progress has to hurt a bit in the beginning, it seems.[11:07:39] <humdinger> Tracker is already a bit wobbly.[11:07:43] <kirilla> I think app_server died once though, due to some heap allocation failing or some such[11:07:48] <humdinger> r33939 here[11:08:08] <humdinger> I hope Alex' bughunt is successful[11:08:21] <kirilla> yeah, that'd be great[11:08:33] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[11:09:08] <kirilla> a rewrite of Tracker's internals might be necessary eventually[11:09:14] <kirilla> is necessary[11:09:24] <humdinger> Have to check the lottery. I'd love to employ a full-timer to work on nothing but Tracker2 :)[11:09:30] <kirilla> heh[11:09:33] <kirilla> yeah[11:09:36] <humdinger> If only I'd play...[11:11:06] <VinDuv> humdinger: reading your mail about XML parsing now[11:11:16] <humdinger> Thanks![11:12:02] *** miqlas has quit IRC[11:13:34] <VinDuv> If I understand correctly, we would have three categories of XML tags :[11:14:37] <humdinger> yes[11:15:00] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[11:15:26] *** yamokidzu-it is now known as lohoubb-it[11:15:46] <humdinger> yes. dunno if there should be checks for URLs pointing inside the user guide. Could be useful.[11:16:02] <humdinger> to have those identical[11:19:04] <VinDuv> About HTML entities, I'm not too sure.[11:19:41] <humdinger> yes. maybe others as well. basically everything not messing with blocks (p, img, div....) and span[11:20:14] <kirilla> humdinger: "Clara Botters, vibraphone, skepticality"? :))[11:20:52] <kirilla> http://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/queries.html[11:20:53] <humdinger> VinDuv: &, spaces and dashes are really important to be able to add as seen fit.[11:21:43] <humdinger> kirilla: Yeah, don't know how I got to Clara Botters. The rest are podcasts. Geologicpodcast and skepticality. Check it out. It's fun.[11:22:18] <kirilla> heh[11:23:56] *** noisetonepause has joined #haiku[11:24:34] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[11:26:07] <VinDuv> humdinger: The problem is that PHP's XML parser only accepts few entities[11:26:43] <humdinger> VinDuv: IC. Are the essentials among them?[11:30:09] *** fly-away has joined #haiku[11:31:22] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34058 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/package/PackageWriter.cpp:[11:31:22] <CIA-69> The compressed size wasn't computed correctly (ignoring the chunk offset[11:31:22] <CIA-69> table), resulting in invalid archives when storing files > 64 KB.[11:33:19] *** tqh has joined #haiku[11:42:05] *** HaikuBot has joined #haiku[11:42:39] *** triplez has quit IRC[11:43:05] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[11:43:06] <VinDuv> humdinger: I don't have the full list, but I think it is restricted to character that needs escaping to be displayed correctly[11:43:42] *** triplez has joined #haiku[11:43:51] <VinDuv> (", <, > and &) the Unicode notation (&#xxx;)[11:43:57] <humdinger> Like &, and —[11:43:58] <humdinger> OK[11:44:14] <humdinger> I guess that should be enough.[11:44:18] <VinDuv> *and the Unicode notation[11:45:30] <humdinger> What do you think about relaxing the parsing?[11:45:40] <humdinger> It is necessary.[11:46:31] *** noisetonepause has quit IRC[11:52:48] <VinDuv> Well, more flexibility is not a bad thing, and the validity check will still prevent mistakes[11:53:15] <VinDuv> We will just have to trust our translators :-)[11:54:36] *** noisetonepause has joined #haiku[12:00:37] *** triplez has quit IRC[12:02:34] <humdinger> Right... like that will happen... :) :)[12:02:44] <humdinger> I got to go now. 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I'm new to Haiku and looking for a way to use VirtualBox network with Haiku. Has anybody experience with that?[18:03:56] *** HaikuBot has quit IRC[18:03:56] *** Hugen has quit IRC[18:04:15] <leszek> drmabuse_, you need to set the intel chip in the virtualmachine properties[18:04:30] <leszek> then haiku should recognize the networkcard and network should work[18:05:12] <drmabuse_> Ah, thank you. Do you know if ACPI works with Haiku?[18:06:44] <mmu_man> drmabuse_ ACPI is used to detect CPU cores, and there is a battery monitor but we don't support suspend yet[18:08:12] *** nutela has quit IRC[18:08:16] <mmu_man> nice one.. http://www.ghacks.net/2009/09/15/haiku-giving-life-back-to-be/[18:08:30] <mmu_man> maybe we should make a press review with all alpha articles[18:11:06] <leszek> :)[18:11:15] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[18:11:32] <leszek> I also wrote a small review, but never released it xD[18:13:46] <drmabuse_> Thank you.[18:14:27] *** haiku has joined #haiku[18:14:28] *** oco has quit IRC[18:17:55] *** nutela1 has quit IRC[18:19:09] *** nutela has joined #haiku[18:27:48] *** binaryimpulse has joined #haiku[18:31:00] *** haiku has quit IRC[18:31:19] *** gobgob has joined #haiku[18:31:46] *** gtaw has joined #haiku[18:36:14] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[18:40:29] *** kitallis has quit IRC[18:42:37] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[18:44:53] *** rennj has quit IRC[18:50:40] *** fly-away has quit IRC[18:50:40] *** impy has quit IRC[18:50:41] *** helf has quit IRC[18:50:42] *** HeTo has quit IRC[18:50:42] *** xcasexwr1a has quit IRC[18:50:42] *** mmu_screen has quit IRC[18:50:42] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[18:50:42] *** qyellow has quit IRC[18:50:44] *** skarmiglione has quit IRC[18:50:44] *** SiCuTDeUx__ has quit IRC[18:50:44] *** rbi has quit IRC[18:50:45] *** qoreQ has quit IRC[18:50:45] *** Mixer has quit IRC[18:50:45] *** rkbm has quit IRC[18:50:45] *** dms has quit IRC[18:50:45] *** ghane has quit IRC[18:50:45] *** cnuke has quit IRC[18:50:45] *** drmabuse_ has quit IRC[18:50:46] *** Vampyre has quit IRC[18:50:46] *** tic has quit IRC[18:50:46] *** gamaral has quit IRC[18:50:46] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[18:50:46] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[18:50:46] *** Barrett has quit IRC[18:50:46] *** adb has quit IRC[18:50:46] *** Mazon has quit IRC[18:50:52] *** adamk has quit IRC[18:50:52] *** amuck has quit IRC[18:50:52] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[18:50:52] *** PacoLinux has quit IRC[18:50:52] *** Hertta has quit IRC[18:50:53] *** Zaranthos has quit IRC[18:50:53] *** ChanServ has quit IRC[18:50:53] *** mmu_screen has joined #haiku[18:50:54] *** xcasexwrka has joined #haiku[18:50:57] *** m0ns00n has joined #haiku[18:52:43] *** HaikuBot has joined #haiku[18:55:12] <gtaw> k....[18:55:44] *** GeneralM_ is now known as GeneralMaximus[18:57:28] *** ChanServ has joined #haiku[18:57:28] *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ[18:57:48] *** nutela1 has joined #haiku[18:59:31] <m0ns00n> :)[18:59:45] *** drmabuse_ has joined #haiku[19:00:01] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[19:00:01] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[19:00:29] *** drmabuse_ has quit IRC[19:00:29] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[19:00:29] *** drmabuse_ has joined #haiku[19:00:29] *** helf has joined #haiku[19:00:29] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[19:00:29] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[19:00:29] *** adb has joined #haiku[19:00:29] *** Mazon has joined #haiku[19:00:29] *** adamk has joined #haiku[19:00:29] *** amuck has joined #haiku[19:00:29] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[19:00:29] *** PacoLinux has joined #haiku[19:00:29] *** Hertta has joined #haiku[19:00:29] *** Zaranthos has joined #haiku[19:00:29] *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o mmu_man[19:02:14] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[19:02:33] *** fly-away has joined #haiku[19:02:33] *** gamaral has joined #haiku[19:02:33] *** tic has joined #haiku[19:02:33] *** Vampyre has joined #haiku[19:03:35] *** qyellow has joined #haiku[19:03:35] *** skarmiglione has joined #haiku[19:03:35] *** SiCuTDeUx__ has joined #haiku[19:03:35] *** rbi has joined #haiku[19:03:35] *** qoreQ has joined #haiku[19:03:35] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[19:03:35] *** rkbm has joined #haiku[19:03:35] *** cnuke has joined #haiku[19:03:35] *** ghane has joined #haiku[19:03:35] *** dms has joined #haiku[19:04:24] <drmabuse_> Hello! How can I remove those small Pulse CPU switches from the desktop?[19:04:25] <mmu_man> drmabuse_ right click the handle bottom-right[19:05:02] <mmu_man> there is a popup menu[19:05:17] <mmu_man> you might need to enable showing draggers in the Deskbar prefs[19:05:20] <mmadia> mmu_man . no. there was/is an issue where Pulse's replicants dont have the dragger.[19:05:27] <mmu_man> hmm[19:05:43] <mmadia> ... once dragged out of the application that is.[19:05:49] <mmu_man> well either use hey, or just kill Tracker and remove the tracker_shelf file[19:06:09] <mmadia> rm /boot/home/config/settings/Tracker/tracker_shelf[19:06:20] *** nutela1 has quit IRC[19:06:26] <drmabuse_> Does this erase my Tracker settings, too=[19:06:27] <drmabuse_> ?[19:06:37] <StreaK|ON> hiya[19:06:50] <StreaK|ON> i recently studied a http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/PackageManagerIdeas[19:06:57] <mmadia> no, just removes any and all replicants on the desktop.[19:07:38] <StreaK|ON> and i did noticed that teres no info about ideas about "removing dependencies" after "removing the application"[19:07:45] <mmadia> StreaK|ON : ingo has started to implement it... look for commits by bonefish : http://dev.haiku-os.org/timeline?from=11%2F15%2F09&daysback=7&changeset=on&update=Update[19:08:44] <drmabuse_> Thanks. But what is that "hey" you talked about?[19:09:11] *** nutela has quit IRC[19:09:12] *** Malmis has quit IRC[19:09:30] *** HaikuBot1 has quit IRC[19:11:59] <CIA-69> kirilla * r34062 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/locale/ (Locale.h LocaleWindow.cpp LocaleWindow.h): Double-clicking to select/deselect preferred languages added.[19:12:14] *** [r4]_ has joined #haiku[19:19:51] *** xvedejas has joined #haiku[19:20:28] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[19:21:51] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[19:23:53] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[19:28:20] <drmabuse_> Does anybody have Opera Browser running on Haiku?[19:30:19] <The123king> i have had it running, but only like Opera 3[19:33:47] <umccullough> 3.62 was the last opera version for beos[19:34:52] <HeTo> the BeIA version was newer, I think (but of course integrated in the BeIA UI)[19:35:34] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[19:36:04] *** cryptic has quit IRC[19:37:44] *** KalElHaiku has joined #Haiku[19:39:42] *** m0ns00n has quit IRC[19:44:34] *** fcr has joined #haiku[19:46:50] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[19:50:12] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[19:57:07] <PasNox> hello all[20:00:19] <The123king> Afternoon[20:02:37] <leszek> n8@all[20:02:43] *** leszek has quit IRC[20:07:55] *** gtaw has quit IRC[20:11:53] <KalElHaiku> Lol, the Earth is round, yeah :-)[20:12:03] <The123king> ...?[20:12:33] <KalElHaiku> The123king: some say Night, others afternoon (from differnt regions of the world ;-) )[20:14:26] <The123king> ahhh[20:15:13] <HeTo> however that does not necessitate a round Earth[20:16:22] <HeTo> the Sun would still be at different angles at different parts of Earth depending on the time even if the Earth were flat[20:17:07] *** xvedejas has quit IRC[20:17:32] <KalElHaiku> HeTo: true indeed[20:19:51] *** bryguy[lap] has joined #haiku[20:20:53] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[20:30:22] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[20:30:48] *** drmabuse_ has left #haiku[20:31:13] *** redblue has joined #haiku[20:31:40] *** kitallis has quit IRC[20:33:02] <The123king> sun silently sweeps[20:33:03] <The123king> Over flat barren earth[20:33:03] <The123king> physics don't work here[20:37:56] *** impy has joined #haiku[20:40:48] *** m0ns00n has joined #haiku[20:48:14] *** nutela has joined #haiku[20:51:53] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[20:53:00] *** baia has quit IRC[20:53:10] *** nutela1 has joined #haiku[21:00:59] *** baia has joined #haiku[21:02:03] *** blaze has joined #haiku[21:04:26] *** kokito has joined #haiku[21:04:30] *** miqlas has quit IRC[21:04:50] <kokito> happy sunday everyone![21:05:58] <StreaK|ON> my sunday is ending right now :/[21:07:02] <kokito> not so happy then, I suppose :)[21:07:50] *** saimon69 has joined #haiku[21:07:57] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[21:08:55] *** nutela has quit IRC[21:09:08] <saimon69> gretings saimon69 form #aros here[21:09:28] <kokito> hi saimon69[21:09:39] <m0ns00n> mine is also ending[21:09:40] <The123king> hello :)[21:09:42] <GeneralMaximus> saimon69: you come in peace, i presume?[21:09:48] <saimon69> yes[21:09:50] <m0ns00n> hope I get a chance to watch another startrek movie before bedtime =)[21:09:52] <GeneralMaximus> phew[21:09:56] <GeneralMaximus> i was worried[21:10:09] <impy> well he does some anal probing though....[21:10:10] <The123king> hahaha[21:10:19] <saimon69> i plan to go next year at scale[21:10:22] * GeneralMaximus cowers in terror[21:10:42] *** Malmis has joined #Haiku[21:10:53] <saimon69> and since am alone wonder if there is some way to join forces with the haiku booth[21:10:54] <kokito> saimon69: are you in CA?[21:10:54] <The123king> I believe every OS should be able to live in harmony.[21:11:00] <saimon69> yes[21:11:04] <The123king> Every6 OS should be treated equally[21:11:04] <saimon69> los angeles area[21:11:13] <The123king> just some are more equal than others[21:11:27] <saimon69> agree[21:11:34] <saimon69> love haiku too[21:11:40] <kokito> saimon69: why not just apply for an AROS booth?[21:12:06] <saimon69> because so far am the only one supporting aros there[21:12:18] <saimon69> and have no way to go every day at the expo[21:12:31] <saimon69> my place is 15 miles from there and no car[21:12:32] *** Barrett has quit IRC[21:12:38] <kokito> ic[21:13:06] <impy> talking about booths; hows the fosdem devroom hunting go?[21:13:11] <saimon69> kokito are you in los angeles area too?[21:13:19] * kokito is not sure whether AROS was open source not not[21:13:27] <kokito> saimon69: I am in norcal[21:13:30] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[21:13:36] <kokito> central valley, to be more precise[21:13:51] <saimon69> ok not exactly close :P[21:14:01] <impy> aros is open source under the apl, mozilla style license[21:14:06] <kokito> no, but I will be driving down to LA for SCaLE[21:14:07] <saimon69> around bakersfield fresno or visalia?[21:14:29] <kokito> saimon69: in Tracy, which is close to the Bay Area[21:14:35] <saimon69> ok[21:15:03] <kokito> impy, thanks for the info[21:16:06] <saimon69> last year i made a talk at scale too - my first talk on a os conference ever - was kinda put together with duct tape, the os in a vm in my pc and nothing exciting to show :P[21:16:24] <saimon69> this year i really hope should be able to bring a full working box[21:16:41] <kokito> have you applied for a talk again?[21:17:00] <saimon69> btw if anybody needs it i do web design and flash presentations for living so maybe we cvanarrange to prepare something for haiku too[21:17:06] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[21:17:10] <saimon69> kokito: am about to[21:17:15] <kokito> cool[21:17:52] <kokito> gotta go now. nice talking to you saimon69. maybe we meet at SCaLE next year :)[21:18:25] <kokito> ciao![21:18:31] *** kokito has left #haiku[21:19:10] *** fcr has quit IRC[21:26:13] *** m0ns00n has quit IRC[21:28:17] *** nutela has joined #haiku[21:33:29] *** Barrett has quit IRC[21:35:22] *** GeneralMaximus has quit IRC[21:36:34] *** nutela1 has quit IRC[21:37:19] *** sprma has joined #haiku[21:38:28] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[21:40:49] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[21:41:45] *** sprma has quit IRC[21:43:23] *** [r4]_ has quit IRC[21:44:48] *** pulkomandy has joined #haiku[21:45:00] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[21:46:11] *** joeyadams has joined #haiku[21:46:25] *** redblue has quit IRC[21:53:16] *** mortuosplango has joined #haiku[21:54:34] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[21:58:25] *** nutela1 has joined #haiku[21:58:56] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[21:58:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[21:59:30] *** PasNox has quit IRC[22:00:25] *** gobgob has quit IRC[22:02:32] *** blaze has quit IRC[22:04:46] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[22:05:34] *** mortuosplango has quit IRC[22:06:34] *** kirilla has quit IRC[22:08:11] *** AngrySausage has quit IRC[22:09:01] *** nutela has quit IRC[22:09:38] *** xvedejas has joined #haiku[22:10:18] *** dms has quit IRC[22:13:18] *** fly-away is now known as Rdam[22:14:36] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[22:16:52] *** DHowett1 has joined #haiku[22:16:59] *** DHowett1 has left #haiku[22:23:11] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[22:29:55] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34063 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/package/ (12 files in 2 dirs):[22:29:55] <CIA-69> * Added support for iterative operation to ZlibCompressor/ZlibDecompressor.[22:29:55] <CIA-69> * Added support for compressing/decompressing the TOC section of the package[22:29:55] <CIA-69> to PackageWriter/PackageReader.[22:30:02] *** nutela has joined #haiku[22:33:46] *** Hugen has quit IRC[22:34:53] *** nutela has quit IRC[22:36:01] *** DuvJones has quit IRC[22:36:42] *** crash_ has joined #haiku[22:36:46] *** fhein has quit IRC[22:36:48] *** killermouse0 has quit IRC[22:36:50] *** wildur has quit IRC[22:38:52] *** luroh has joined #haiku[22:40:23] *** nutela1 has quit IRC[22:44:07] *** Ghostrid1 has quit IRC[22:48:00] *** The123king has quit IRC[22:48:34] *** gtaw has joined #haiku[22:48:41] *** Barrett has quit IRC[22:50:04] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[22:51:36] *** killermouse0 has joined #haiku[22:52:30] *** MadEchidna has joined #haiku[22:53:31] *** michaelvo has joined #haiku[22:55:30] *** Kroki has quit IRC[22:56:04] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34064 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/ (4 files in 2 dirs):[22:56:04] <CIA-69> The very beginning of a package FS: Empty stubs for a minimal read-only file[22:56:04] <CIA-69> system.[22:57:28] *** adamk has quit IRC[22:57:45] *** adamk has joined #haiku[22:58:41] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[22:59:58] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[23:03:55] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34065 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/packagefs/ (Jamfile userland/ userland/Jamfile): Added Jamfile for building for the userlandfs.[23:04:36] *** phalax_ has quit IRC[23:06:28] *** xvedejas has quit IRC[23:06:39] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[23:08:07] <sys2> yeeey getting my haiku laptop tomorrow .. and the last bearings for my homemade cnc machine ... can the day get any better then that? .. yes i cant .. im free to do what i want and i get to go to the gym =)[23:11:51] <CIA-69> kirilla * r34066 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/locale/ (LocaleWindow.cpp LocaleWindow.h): Fixed memory leaks. Thanks Stephan and Rene! Added naive sorting of the list of available languages, meant to be replaced.[23:12:06] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[23:12:32] *** raichoo has quit IRC[23:12:49] *** nemesisknoxville has joined #haiku[23:13:05] *** nemesisknoxville has left #haiku[23:14:12] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[23:15:08] *** adb has quit IRC[23:18:39] <StreaK|ON> Synthetic Package Manager [screen] -> http://omploader.org/vMnMybg[23:19:51] *** killermouse0 has quit IRC[23:20:38] *** KalElHaiku has quit IRC[23:24:34] *** gtaw has quit IRC[23:31:25] *** rennj has joined #haiku[23:36:54] <kirilla> Streak: you made that?[23:37:44] <StreaK|ON> yes[23:38:12] <kirilla> Do you make packages for it as well?[23:38:14] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:38:22] <StreaK|ON> ofcourse[23:38:23] *** dflemstr has quit IRC[23:38:50] <kirilla> do you intend to track dependencies and support uninstallation?[23:39:08] <StreaK|ON> yes, it will be with dependences[23:39:13] <StreaK|ON> and uninstalation[23:39:14] <umccullough> btw, should be just "Haiku" - not "Haiku-OS" ;)[23:39:24] <kirilla> yes[23:39:32] <StreaK|ON> :)[23:39:33] *** saimon69 has quit IRC[23:39:41] <umccullough> we need a good initiative project to develop a package manager[23:39:50] <umccullough> so far, there's been mostly talk, but no walk[23:40:06] <umccullough> or... a bit of meandering[23:40:16] <kirilla> Ingo is working on it[23:40:25] <umccullough> well, working on packagefs so far[23:40:35] <umccullough> which is just one piece of the puzzle[23:40:44] <kirilla> umccullough: we had a session at begeistert where we did a lot of meandering :)[23:40:46] <StreaK|ON> i'll try to finish it asap [ and release it ] to help new people get familar with haiku[23:40:58] <umccullough> kirilla, ah, yes, still haven't read much about that :)[23:41:14] <umccullough> at the very least, if someone puts together a nice UI concept, i think that would be useful[23:41:20] <kirilla> umccullough: sadly the discussion isn't so easy to capture, or recapitulate[23:41:26] <umccullough> i understand[23:41:56] <StreaK|ON> i know that Ingo is working on package management sys, but, theres no release date of this soft, so we could wait .. and wait..[23:41:59] <kirilla> I can say that the feature wish list is rather large[23:43:21] <StreaK|ON> as long as Ingo will be dev'ing a manager we can use my synthetic as a temporary solution[23:44:24] <kirilla> I expect to see multiple competing solutions for a while[23:44:45] <kirilla> TiltOS(?) has some package thing, no?[23:45:11] <kirilla> and there were some other people making a package manager[23:45:14] <StreaK|ON> yes, but ist commnad line package manager and not really handy [ imho ][23:45:42] <StreaK|ON> and using box format that is not recognised by os as zip [ or anything ][23:46:43] <StreaK|ON> ToneStone doing Packager as well , but from some time i didnt see any progress on this[23:46:51] <kirilla> I think the most important thing to get right is the nuts and bolts, from bottom up.. and integrate automatic building of software from Haiku-Ports directly to repo.. the package selection GUI is just the icing on the cake[23:47:19] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[23:48:18] <DaaT> hey kirilla[23:48:31] <kirilla> evening DaaT![23:48:39] <DaaT> how goes?[23:48:42] * DaaT pokes Zaranthos[23:49:04] <kirilla> not bad, pretty okay[23:49:12] <StreaK|ON> yes, for real repository we should build a simultaneously a server PHP scripts and externall app [ package manager ][23:49:14] <DaaT> that's good to know[23:50:06] <kirilla> how's life back home?[23:50:36] <DaaT> good good[23:50:41] <kirilla> :)[23:50:56] <DaaT> atm waiting for tonights top gear to finish downloading[23:51:00] <DaaT> it's back![23:51:01] <DaaT> :)[23:51:08] <kirilla> top gear?[23:51:19] <DaaT> yep, first ep of season 14 aired tonight[23:51:28] *** PacoLinux has quit IRC[23:52:02] <kirilla> season 14, and I have no idea what it is :)[23:52:28] <DaaT> tsk tsk[23:52:34] <kirilla> racing?[23:52:34] <DaaT> car show from britain[23:52:36] <saivert> I'm watching it now[23:52:43] <DaaT> best car show EVAR! :P[23:52:56] <kirilla> aha :) that's why I didn't know about it.[23:53:04] <DaaT> shame on you[23:53:07] <DaaT> saivert :)[23:53:25] <kirilla> DaaT, you're such a guy :D[23:53:50] <DaaT> manly man[23:53:52] <DaaT> :P[23:53:56] *** pulkomandy has quit IRC[23:54:05] <kirilla> fun to drive, boring to watch[23:54:06] *** michaelvo has quit IRC[23:54:10] <kirilla> that's what I think :)[23:54:19] <DaaT> not this show, i guarantee[23:54:19] <kirilla> but, what do I know[23:54:29] <DaaT> you should download an ep to see if you like it[23:54:38] <DaaT> :)[23:55:00] <kirilla> maybe I'll do that![23:55:08] <DaaT> :)[23:58:19] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC