November 12, 2009 
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November 12, 2009 [00:00:26] <ari-free_> well there is a saying. In China, Bill Gates is treated like Britney Spears. In the US, britney Spears is well...Britney Spears[00:01:13] <NathanP> So, in China, Bill Gates would be castrated and raped by photographers who can't get his name right?[00:01:31] * JonathanThompson blinks[00:01:45] <NathanP> It could happen.[00:02:51] <ari-free_> and in singapore, kids who are tops in math exams are displayed on billboards to sell stuff[00:03:25] <NathanP> They do the same here, only with low IQ tests and crappy singing abilities.[00:03:45] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:04:00] <ari-free_> and lots of cleavage[00:04:02] <cb88> my stats teacher is from Singapore...[00:04:19] <NathanP> ari-free_, same here.[00:04:47] <cb88> and he speaks suprisingly good english... he had to ask how to say placebo today though[00:05:00] <NathanP> cb88, that's exciting. Ask him if he's been on a billboard. We wish to know.[00:06:21] <NathanP> I've manage to degrade this entire channel in a matter of minutes. Let's discuss what would happen if the Haiku tracker saw a mailman.[00:06:23] <cb88> yes... that is what I was wondering[00:07:02] <cb88> so as a general rule... people on billboards can't speak good english?[00:07:21] <cb88> X.x ... cya[00:07:26] *** cb88 has quit IRC[00:07:36] <NathanP> Actually, he's correct.[00:08:50] * NathanP types /clear[00:08:57] *** NathanP has left #Haiku[00:09:01] *** NathanP has joined #Haiku[00:09:10] <NathanP> Hello, first time here. What's Haiku about?[00:09:13] <NathanP> >_>[00:09:14] <NathanP> <_<[00:12:17] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[00:15:43] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[00:15:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[00:18:01] *** Qeos has joined #haiku[00:19:39] *** Andrius has quit IRC[00:21:27] *** ricardojose has joined #haiku[00:21:39] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[00:22:19] <ricardojose> hello all[00:22:21] <ricardojose> olá DaaT[00:24:38] <NathanP> Hello.[00:24:41] *** mortuosplango has quit IRC[00:24:42] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[00:26:01] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[00:27:39] *** ablyss has joined #haiku[00:30:56] *** CaptainPike has joined #haiku[00:33:26] *** fax8 has joined #haiku[00:33:38] *** Captain_Pike has quit IRC[00:33:49] *** fax8 has quit IRC[00:34:33] *** ablyss has left #haiku[00:39:14] *** fly-away has quit IRC[00:40:59] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[00:42:07] *** CaptainPike_hero has quit IRC[00:44:18] *** ricardojose has quit IRC[00:50:37] *** binaryimpulse has quit IRC[00:56:15] *** xvedejas has joined #haiku[01:03:15] *** Sryche has quit IRC[01:05:09] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[01:08:17] <NathanP> JonathanThompson, you there![01:08:19] <NathanP> It's an emergency![01:08:30] <JonathanThompson> Nope, this is an automated bot reply![01:08:40] <NathanP> It's FinallyFast.com.[01:08:45] <NathanP> They now support Macs.[01:08:49] <NathanP> God help us all.[01:09:01] * NathanP looks at a Registery scanner for the Mac from FinallyFast.[01:09:14] * JonathanThompson screams in agony at the thought[01:09:46] <NathanP> I love how it says it was featured in Forbes and Newsweek, yet there are no articles from Forbes or Newsweek about them.[01:16:25] *** binaryimpulse_ has joined #haiku[01:17:49] *** DaaT has quit IRC[01:20:07] *** demetrio has joined #haiku[01:21:22] *** gtaw has joined #haiku[01:21:44] <NathanP> Well, I can no longer plan on calling FinallyFast about not getting their software to work on Mac.[01:22:03] <NathanP> Because now, it's technically an actually support request and not a joke call.[01:22:29] *** amuck_ has quit IRC[01:24:16] <JonathanThompson> There's a simple solution: have your Mac running Linux or some other non-Windows/OSX OS, and drive them batty :P[01:24:17] *** judgen_ has quit IRC[01:25:08] <mmu_man> or just install Haiku[01:25:26] <JonathanThompson> Which is.... a Non-Windows/OSX OS ;)[01:26:01] <NathanP> mmu_man, I already did it with BeOS.[01:26:06] <mmu_man> meaning you don't need a 3rd party thingy to make it faster :p^[01:26:13] <mmu_man> anyway, zz[01:26:14] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:26:32] <NathanP> What about FreeBSD? Feeling exotic.[01:27:02] <JonathanThompson> Go for Solaris, see if they even recognize the name :P[01:27:17] <JonathanThompson> Ask them what storage pools are, and how to make them faster![01:27:37] <JonathanThompson> Too bad you don't have access to a VMS machine![01:27:39] <NathanP> Muahahaa! Ask how to defragment ZFS, yes?[01:27:48] <JonathanThompson> There you go, perfect :D[01:28:01] *** CaptainPike_hero has joined #haiku[01:28:01] *** {V} has joined #haiku[01:28:05] <JonathanThompson> Or ask them to check the file system ;)[01:28:12] <NathanP> I wouldn't ever imagine a case where ZFS needed defragmenting.[01:28:19] <NathanP> EXT2, yes. But never since 3.[01:29:05] <NathanP> I'd like my Linux FS to be FAT16.[01:29:20] <JonathanThompson> There's a middle school in the US that's decided to allow students to buy up to 20 total test points, 10 each on tests of their choice.[01:29:25] <JonathanThompson> All to raise money.[01:29:39] <helf|laptop> lol[01:29:42] <NathanP> I'd auction off test points if I were them.[01:29:56] <NathanP> That way, they make more money while still killing the educational system.[01:30:04] <JonathanThompson> My reply to the story in the group: cap and trades for grades, anyone???[01:30:26] <helf|laptop> that is so dumb[01:30:41] <helf|laptop> our edumacashunial system is effed enough as it is[01:31:15] <NathanP> I know a school that lets kids invest in the stock market, giving them more investment money with good grades and performance/[01:31:25] <NathanP> That is a smart and also very interesting way to do things.[01:31:35] <NathanP> Now, the sale of grades? Not so much.[01:32:03] * NathanP wonders what would happen if all those kids chose to invest in Enron...[01:32:19] <JonathanThompson> A gas bubble :P[01:32:28] <NathanP> Ha ha ha.[01:34:34] *** adamk has quit IRC[01:40:39] *** judgen has quit IRC[01:41:15] *** binaryimpulse has joined #haiku[01:43:59] *** oco has quit IRC[01:45:25] <NathanP> Muahahaha. Got it running.[01:45:32] <NathanP> Igor, to the Cron jobs![01:45:58] * JonathanThompson hooks up the HVAC to NathanP[01:47:38] *** judgen has joined #haiku[01:47:42] <NathanP> Psh, I don't need a HVAC.[01:48:04] <NathanP> I need a damn service daemon![01:51:33] *** miqlas has quit IRC[01:57:16] *** mvfranz has quit IRC[01:58:29] *** binaryimpulse has quit IRC[01:59:39] *** raichoo has quit IRC[02:01:01] *** mvfranz has joined #haiku[02:01:36] *** {V} is now known as {V}afk[02:02:25] *** binaryimpulse_ has quit IRC[02:03:08] *** tuna_ has joined #haiku[02:08:37] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[02:10:04] *** cb88 has joined #haiku[02:10:55] *** knottnhupfer has joined #haiku[02:15:45] *** knottnhupfer has quit IRC[02:15:48] *** judgen has quit IRC[02:16:32] *** judgen has joined #haiku[02:17:05] *** triplez has quit IRC[02:17:19] *** judgen has quit IRC[02:17:57] *** judgen has joined #haiku[02:18:36] *** judgen has quit IRC[02:18:42] *** |Qeos| has joined #haiku[02:19:07] *** judgen has joined #haiku[02:20:32] *** knottnhupfer has joined #haiku[02:21:11] *** ari-free_ has quit IRC[02:23:15] *** Qeos has quit IRC[02:26:06] *** rbi has quit IRC[02:27:49] <tuna_> hi[02:28:28] <NathanP> Hello.[02:29:00] <tuna_> hows it going?[02:29:23] <NathanP> Fairly well, and yourself?[02:29:51] <tuna_> Can't complain.[02:29:57] <tuna_> 2 more days of work[02:35:20] *** triplez has joined #haiku[02:38:11] *** HaikUbuntu has quit IRC[02:39:15] *** haiku has joined #haiku[02:39:50] *** brrant has joined #haiku[02:40:08] <haiku> Anyone having problems with AboutSystem in today's nightly build?[02:40:13] *** DDevine has joined #haiku[02:41:38] <NathanP> Haven't tried it.[02:41:45] <NathanP> I'll test it now, if you like.[02:41:50] <haiku> sure[02:42:06] <haiku> I am using the gcc2 hybrid if that helps[02:42:15] <NathanP> Is it from November 11?[02:42:29] <haiku> yes[02:42:41] <haiku> just installed it[02:42:43] <NathanP> Alright, I'm downloading it now.[02:43:02] <haiku> may I give error code?[02:43:43] <NathanP> Sure.[02:43:46] <haiku> debug code[02:43:52] <haiku> 0x004340ab in BString::operator= () from /boot/system/lib/libbe.so[02:43:59] <haiku> last line[02:44:58] <haiku> Loaded symbols for /boot/system/add-ons/Translators/WonderBrushTranslator[02:44:58] <haiku> [tcsetpgrp failed in terminal_inferior: Invalid Argument][02:44:59] <haiku> [Switching to team /boot/system/apps/AboutSystem (244) thread AboutSystem (244)][02:45:00] <haiku> 0x004340ab in BString::operator= () from /boot/system/lib/libbe.so[02:47:03] <NathanP> Alright, booting into Haiku now.[02:47:34] <NathanP> Yep, I'm getting an error on launching it.[02:47:42] <NathanP> I suggest you file a bug report at dev.haiku-os.org[02:47:58] <NathanP> Include any outputs you made, too.[02:48:43] *** mvfranz has quit IRC[02:49:31] <haiku> ok[02:51:04] *** thotypous has quit IRC[02:52:45] *** judgen has quit IRC[02:54:09] <haiku> I tried, but I do not have the priveledge to create a bug report.[02:54:29] *** Sryche has joined #haiku[02:54:34] <NathanP> You need to make an account in Trac.[02:54:39] <haiku> I did[02:54:53] <NathanP> Did you make sure you are logged in?[02:55:03] <haiku> I had trouble doing that last week[02:55:07] <haiku> yes[02:55:13] <haiku> I am logged in[02:55:40] <NathanP> Hm. I can login and make a new ticket just fine.[02:55:52] <haiku> I can not[02:56:02] <NathanP> I'll submit it for you, if you like.[02:56:10] <haiku> Thanks![02:56:14] <NathanP> Just send me everything via haiku.pastebin.com[02:56:21] <haiku> sure[02:58:37] *** demetrio has quit IRC[02:59:10] <NathanP> Is yours labled Mike Haiku?[02:59:50] <haiku> yes[02:59:55] <haiku> http://haiku.pastebin.com/m20c5cf75[03:01:14] <haiku> P.S. I love the mail app![03:01:19] <haiku> nice[03:04:45] *** umccullough_w has joined #haiku[03:05:01] <umccullough_w> kallisti6, saw your WIP article[03:05:55] *** quietdev has quit IRC[03:06:15] <NathanP> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/4939[03:06:18] <NathanP> Done.[03:06:46] <haiku> I got the following warning at the top of the Trac page[03:07:00] <haiku> Warning: <acct_mgr.web_ui.MessageWrapper object at 0xb73da5ac>[03:07:11] <haiku> after I logged in[03:07:20] <NathanP> Seems Trac really hates you, then.[03:07:26] <haiku> Thanks[03:07:28] <haiku> lol[03:07:34] *** quietdev has joined #haiku[03:08:40] *** glootech_ has quit IRC[03:09:45] <haiku> now the browser is acting up[03:09:51] *** demetrio has joined #haiku[03:09:58] <haiku> brb[03:10:02] *** haiku has quit IRC[03:10:07] <NathanP> If it's BeZilla, I'm not making a ticket on that one. ;)[03:10:07] <CaptainPike_hero> 11[03:11:08] *** haiku has joined #haiku[03:12:24] *** umccullough_w has quit IRC[03:15:06] *** judgen has joined #haiku[03:16:23] *** mvfranz has joined #haiku[03:19:51] *** haiku has quit IRC[03:24:00] *** tuna_ has quit IRC[03:24:28] *** ari-free has joined #haiku[03:26:42] *** haiku has joined #haiku[03:26:53] <haiku> Anyone for poetry?[03:27:44] <NathanP> We do not like it; Haiku is not a cafe; where people talk rhymes.[03:28:19] <haiku> ok, but they were funny![03:28:27] <NathanP> Go ahead, then.[03:28:29] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:28:29] * NathanP waits.[03:28:36] <haiku> Three things are certain:[03:28:36] <haiku> Death, taxes and lost data.[03:28:37] <haiku> Guess which has occurred[03:28:50] <NathanP> All of them.[03:28:57] <haiku> ok[03:29:04] <haiku> I will supply link[03:29:19] <NathanP> I take it I ruined your joke?[03:29:41] <haiku> yes[03:29:42] <gtaw> You always ruin the joke.[03:30:08] <NathanP> I am the joke, therefore I am ruined.[03:30:23] <haiku> Chaos reigns within.[03:30:24] <haiku> Reflect, repent, and reboot.[03:30:25] <haiku> Order shall return.[03:30:43] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[03:31:02] <haiku> http://haiku-poems.50webs.com/computer-haiku-poems.htm[03:31:07] <haiku> much more there[03:31:26] <NathanP> http://www.8325.org/haiku/[03:31:29] <NathanP> You need the real deal.[03:31:46] <CIA-69> scottmc * r478 /haikuporter/trunk/haikuporter: Applied patch by HaikuBot to enable bz2 archives to used in .bep files.[03:32:17] *** joeyadams has joined #haiku[03:32:18] <haiku> I bow to the King of Kaiku![03:32:27] <haiku> Hail lord Haiku[03:32:31] <haiku> lol[03:32:51] <haiku> I love thos short poems[03:33:31] <haiku> I think Haiku is a great name for this OS[03:33:32] *** Barrett has quit IRC[03:33:52] <haiku> Is says "functional, simple, and elegant"![03:34:20] <haiku> as all OS's should[03:34:44] <NathanP> I'd request all error messages in Haiku be in haiku's, but that'd make debugging as hard(er) as hell.[03:35:11] <haiku> or display a Haiku when the terminal is opened![03:35:42] <NathanP> That would be a nice feature. Perhaps file it for an enhancement in Haiku R2? :p[03:35:56] <haiku> sure, I would like that[03:37:40] <haiku> One bug fix/feature I would like done is for the browser to resize to the current screen resolution[03:38:03] <haiku> There is much browser I can not see[03:38:11] <haiku> below screen[03:38:23] <haiku> I must manually resize every time[03:39:00] <NathanP> Perhaps You should resize the screen via the Screen application under Preferences?[03:39:03] <haiku> all open windows does that[03:39:09] <cb88> you can already do that with fortune ...[03:39:24] <cb88> add fourtune to your .bashrc[03:39:24] <haiku> I am at max resolution[03:39:35] <NathanP> Also, that yellow button on the right does some wonders.[03:40:01] *** mvfranz has quit IRC[03:40:02] <haiku> I am at 1600 X 1200[03:40:26] <NathanP> Are you in a VM, or hardware install?[03:40:31] <haiku> VM[03:40:31] <CIA-69> scottmc * r479 /haikuporter/trunk/haikuporter: Applied patch by HaikuBot to enable haikuporter to still work when network connection is lost but you have the source tarball in the download folder.[03:40:37] <haiku> VirtualBox[03:40:43] <NathanP> Why the hell are you in 1600x1200 in a VM?[03:41:00] <haiku> so I am in full screen[03:41:08] <NathanP> Does it fit in fullscreen?[03:41:15] <haiku> I do not want to look at a 5 by 5 desktop[03:41:22] <haiku> almost[03:41:40] <NathanP> So, the windows are appearing below the viewing threshold of the screen because of the resolution?[03:41:56] <haiku> If I lower the res, half of the screen is unused[03:42:12] <haiku> the lower third anyway[03:42:24] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:42:49] <NathanP> Well, it's the price to pay, I guess.[03:42:49] <haiku> I guess I will have to go to lower res[03:43:07] <NathanP> Speaking of which, I need to test a feature in an R1A1 VM.[03:43:41] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[03:45:45] <haiku> the problem is I have a 16:10 monitor and the VirtualBox display adapter is 4:3[03:48:04] <haiku> perhaps someone could create a VirtualBox kernel module for Haiku.[03:48:11] *** cb88 has left #haiku[03:48:23] <NathanP> Haiku's VM are made with VMWare in mind, mostly, I think.[03:48:26] <haiku> I wish I was a programmer![03:48:38] <gtaw> I wish I was a Nintendo.[03:48:41] <gtaw> Then I'd be popular....[03:48:48] <haiku> wii[03:48:49] <NathanP> No, you wouldn't.[03:48:49] <DDevine> lol[03:49:09] <gtaw> No, a Nintendo Virtual Boy..[03:49:11] <haiku> wii as in french "yes"[03:49:13] <NathanP> If you were a PS3, you'd be raped by 13 years olds until you crashed.[03:49:20] <NathanP> gtaw, Lmao.[03:49:29] <NathanP> I haven't heard anyone say that in years.[03:49:35] <gtaw> PS3 is suffering from Neo-Geo syndrome.[03:49:38] * NathanP has a VirtualBoy and loves it, he adds[03:49:50] <haiku> hope you are not Xbox 360, or you would have trouble[03:49:56] <haiku> red ring of death[03:50:25] <DDevine> lol[03:50:32] <haiku> that is stupid[03:50:56] <haiku> why not blue to match windows blue screen of death[03:51:38] <NathanP> Because vending machines are already doing it, and Microsoft wants to be origional.[03:52:16] <haiku> Microsoft, original, don;t make me laugh and split my stiches! ha ha ha ha hahaha[03:52:36] <gtaw> haiku: Probably for that exact reason[03:52:44] <NathanP> Apple stole from Microsoft, too, you know.[03:53:02] <haiku> and apple from Xerox[03:53:06] <NathanP> Everyone steals from everyone.[03:53:15] <haiku> And MS from IBM, twice[03:53:39] <haiku> forst time with DOS, then OS/2 "NT"[03:53:55] <haiku> *first[03:54:03] *** zvacet has joined #haiku[03:54:09] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[03:54:25] *** zvacet has left #haiku[03:54:36] <haiku> Vista and & looks alot like KDE 4.x[03:54:50] <haiku> Vista and 7 I meant[03:55:54] <haiku> just figured out the yellow tab will slide if you press the shift key. kool[03:56:12] <NathanP> Haiku...[03:56:16] <haiku> yes[03:56:34] <NathanP> MS made DOS and licensed it to IBM.[03:56:44] <NathanP> Well, they kind of bought an OS along the way for it, but still.[03:56:58] <NathanP> Nothing was stolen there.[03:57:01] <haiku> I thought IBM made Dos and was licenced to IBM[03:57:03] <gtaw> No MS bought DOS and licensed it to IBM[03:57:30] <gtaw> In the neighborhood of $50,000[03:57:31] <haiku> oh, ok[03:57:34] <NathanP> Yes, MS bought DOS from (forgot the name, ages ago) and licensed it to IBM for 50K.[03:57:38] <NathanP> Ah, beat me to it, gtaw.[03:57:41] <haiku> who developed Dos then[03:57:47] <NathanP> Blargh, BOUGHT FOR.*[03:57:50] <NathanP> Not license.[03:57:53] <gtaw> Some seattle based company[03:57:55] <NathanP> My bad.[03:58:18] <gtaw> SCP[03:58:21] <NathanP> I think it was actually around 48,000, gtaw.[03:58:23] <haiku> I know there was a IBM Dos and a MS Dos[03:58:48] <haiku> and after DOS 3 i think, they were no longer compatible[03:58:59] <haiku> MS Dos that is[03:59:14] <gtaw> Wasn't IBM's version PC-DOS?[03:59:19] <gtaw> Or was that a different one.[03:59:23] <haiku> Yes[03:59:30] <haiku> That is it[03:59:35] <haiku> Been too long[03:59:40] <NathanP> And then we have Window, which supposedly stole from Apple with the GUI, who Apple stole from Xerox PARC, who's company directors didn't know anything with what they had was a goldmine.[03:59:51] <NathanP> Windows.&[03:59:55] <NathanP> Windows.**[03:59:58] <NathanP> Gah, late.[04:00:01] <gtaw> Are you masturbating?[04:00:06] <haiku> At least we have FreeDOS we can play with![04:00:22] <haiku> run Doom on[04:00:24] <NathanP> No, gtaw, but I am using a Microsoft ergonomic keyboard for the first time today.[04:00:30] <haiku> I love that game[04:00:46] <gtaw> Ahh[04:01:01] <NathanP> Never used one before, until now.[04:01:05] <haiku> that explains everything[04:01:06] <gtaw> I loved Doom more after I got Dmapedit[04:01:08] <NathanP> And I can easily say I hate it.[04:01:26] *** hoelzro has joined #haiku[04:01:42] *** demetrio has quit IRC[04:01:53] <haiku> Listen, I have to go.[04:01:53] <gtaw> I tried one years ago.[04:01:55] <gtaw> I agree.[04:02:02] <haiku> Cya later fellows[04:02:08] <gtaw> I refuse to listen therefore you cannot leave[04:02:10] <NathanP> Have a nice night.[04:02:18] <haiku> ha ha[04:02:30] <haiku> thanks NathanP[04:02:53] <gtaw> Bye haiku[04:02:56] <haiku> and keep gtaw under control![04:02:59] <haiku> lol[04:03:07] <NathanP> *Which brings me back to the subject of Xerox. Can you imagine how it'd be if they realized how the revolutionary the GUI would become?[04:03:18] <haiku> bye[04:03:21] <NathanP> Imagine the licensing revenue alone, besides their damn ink replacements.[04:03:25] *** haiku has quit IRC[04:04:26] <NathanP> I should have invented the GUI.[04:04:37] <NathanP> Then I would have sold it to a newspaper company.[04:05:47] <gtaw> Hehe[04:06:11] <gtaw> I don't think they intended for Apple to see it.[04:06:52] <NathanP> I'm sure the folks from Parc didn't want them to.[04:07:19] <gtaw> Apple doesn't understand the term "good faith" :p[04:08:53] <DDevine> No, they do but they just interpret it the oppisite way to everybody else.[04:09:20] <NathanP> Apple lost it's way when Steve Jobs came back.[04:09:46] <NathanP> Now it's all gray and white, control freaks with lawyers.[04:10:30] <DDevine> I think the changes of me ever buying an Apple product are extremly slim.[04:10:46] <DDevine> Partially because they are too damn expensive.[04:10:53] <gtaw> How about an Apple I[04:10:57] <gtaw> You can get them in kit form[04:11:08] <NathanP> Indeed. It's the same hardware specs on other machines that cost hundreds less.[04:11:09] <DDevine> Actually yeah I would buy that.[04:11:37] <DDevine> Its not really the cost, its more that I don't like Apple's attititude and the way they do most things.[04:11:45] <NathanP> I'd buy an Apple I just to say to my friends and family "Hey, I have an Apple I" Then they would say "That's great, now when are you gonna' move out?"[04:11:55] <gtaw> Hahaha[04:12:08] <DDevine> I moved out before my senior year in Highschool.[04:12:23] <NathanP> The same scenario with an Altair...[04:12:28] <gtaw> Into the arms of a sailor named Thad?[04:12:30] <gtaw> :D[04:12:48] <NathanP> Though, I Would like an Altair more than an Apple I.[04:12:53] <NathanP> Now THAT would be a treat.[04:13:01] <gtaw> Yeah[04:13:27] <NathanP> Put it in a bullet proof case, let sleep with it in my bed at night...[04:13:45] <NathanP> Play with it's ports...[04:13:46] *** ari-free has quit IRC[04:14:03] <gtaw> Toggle it's inputs?[04:14:12] <gtaw> How's that hi/lo feel?[04:14:13] <NathanP> Oh... yeah.[04:14:14] <gtaw> Yeah...[04:14:38] <NathanP> Houston, we have a Haiku bug.[04:14:44] <NathanP> In VM, video files play fine.[04:14:58] *** Syn-- has joined #haiku[04:15:00] <NathanP> On my hardware, they go to a black screen that doesn't respond, but sound plays.[04:15:04] *** amuck has joined #haiku[04:15:04] *** Syn-- is now known as Syn-[04:15:14] *** Cammy has joined #Haiku[04:15:17] <Cammy> Hello[04:15:20] <NathanP> Hello.[04:16:06] <Cammy> I'm partitioning my hard drive with GParted in Linux at the moment, and was wondering what filesystem I should use to format a partition to install Haiku on[04:16:28] <NathanP> Just create a partition of reasonable size and choost unformatted.[04:16:40] *** mvfranz has joined #haiku[04:16:50] <Cammy> So Haiku has its own filesystem?[04:17:00] <NathanP> Haiku's installer includes a partitioner application (Don't use it to resize or anything) that you can make a BeFS file system on the partition.[04:17:13] <NathanP> Yes, Haiku uses the BeFS,[04:17:24] *** ari-free has joined #haiku[04:17:40] <Cammy> Cool, thanks[04:18:05] <Cammy> One 10gb unformatted partition for Haiku then, should be big enough do you think?[04:18:16] <NathanP> Yes, perfect.[04:18:25] <Cammy> Sweet[04:22:21] <NathanP> Driver bug, maybe.[04:22:34] <NathanP> Meh, it IS an Intel graphics card. :p[04:22:37] *** {V}afk has quit IRC[04:29:27] *** jmayfield_ has joined #haiku[04:35:17] *** mvfranz has quit IRC[04:35:33] <DraX> hax![04:35:42] <NathanP> Where!?[04:35:47] * NathanP jumps and looks about.[04:36:00] <DraX> NathanP: hopefully in your editor ;)[04:36:18] <NathanP> No, it's TinyMCE.[04:36:26] <DraX> aww :([04:36:38] <Cammy> Sorry for the newb question, but once I've installed Haiku, can I add it to my Grub menu?[04:36:52] <NathanP> Yes, you can.[04:36:56] <DraX> Cammy: there is an article on haikuzone.net about doing that[04:37:03] <Cammy> Awesome, thanks[04:37:05] <DraX> top article i believe[04:37:27] <Cammy> Found it, thanks[04:37:34] <NathanP> Haiku also has it's own bootloader, but it's installer is hidden since it's also alpha-quality.[04:37:39] <NathanP> (Though it works fine for me.)[04:39:25] *** mvfranz has joined #haiku[04:40:13] <DraX> mvfranz: did you ever get gcj working?[04:40:39] <mvfranz> DraX parts of it works - actually trying another build[04:40:54] <DraX> which part? :)[04:40:59] <mvfranz> gcj runs and compiles - every once in a while it crashes with a memory issue[04:41:10] <mvfranz> gjavah and gjar do not work at all[04:41:36] <DraX> gcj capable of generating .class files?[04:41:44] <mvfranz> since I got the pthread patches in I was going to do a clean build[04:41:49] <DraX> and i presume then that classpath compiles[04:42:17] <mvfranz> yes, it works fine - except for the occasional crash[04:42:28] <mvfranz> It can also compile .class to native[04:43:01] <DraX> i wonder how andrew is going on openjdk[04:43:06] <DraX> haven't seen any commits in a while[04:43:30] <mvfranz> I have not talked to him lately - I have been busy[04:43:45] <mvfranz> would like to give it another try once I get my latest gcj build working[04:43:54] <DraX> yeah[04:43:58] <mvfranz> part of the build process uses hard links and bfs does not support that[04:44:13] <mvfranz> I was using soft links instead but that caused issued[04:44:13] <DraX> yes emacs build uses hardlinks too[04:44:18] <DraX> usualyl you can slip cp in[04:44:22] <mvfranz> changed it to use copy instead[04:44:26] <DraX> cp seems closer to a hard link[04:44:27] <mvfranz> seems to work better[04:45:11] <mvfranz> Is there an easier way? I moved ln to real_ln and then created a script for ln that did a copy[04:45:16] <jmayfield_> i tkink i figured out the source of universal entropic tendencies... children[04:45:30] <DraX> mvfranz: nope,i ended up modifying emacs Makefile.in[04:45:53] <DraX> i could go for some hardlinks[04:46:05] <mvfranz> I figure changing the build files is a better solution, but I did not want to figure out where to change it[04:46:36] <mvfranz> there will not be hard links until after the first release[04:46:42] <gtaw> http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n180/nosebrain/freshprince.jpg[04:46:50] <mvfranz> or, someone gets a writable file system that does[04:46:59] <mvfranz> meaning ext3/4[04:47:17] <DraX> ew[04:47:30] <DraX> i'd really like this stupid r5 compatability goal to go away[04:47:34] <DraX> but i think i'm an outlier there[04:47:52] <NathanP> And shootin' some B-ball outside of the school.[04:48:02] <NathanP> Whena' couple of guys, they were up to no good,[04:48:09] <NathanP> started making trouble in my neighborhood.[04:48:28] <NathanP> Got in one little fight and my mom got scared,[04:48:42] <NathanP> saying "You're moving with you're auntie and uncle in BelAir."[04:49:05] <NathanP> I whistled for a cab, and when it came near,[04:49:21] <NathanP> the license plate said fresh and had a dice in the mirror,[04:49:30] <NathanP> If anything, I could say that this cab was rare,[04:49:38] <NathanP> but I thought, no, forget it, yo home to BelAir![04:49:54] <NathanP> (Sorry, saw the photo.)[04:50:07] <NathanP> <DraX> i'd really like this stupid r5 compatability goal to go away,[04:50:24] <NathanP> Actually Haiku has become less compatible with R5 over the years, in my opinion.[04:50:38] <DDevine> lol[04:50:40] <DraX> it was a good goal, you know, 8 years ago[04:50:42] <DraX> it's not anymore[04:50:58] <NathanP> We have Hybrid GCC, what more do you want!?[04:51:06] <DraX> updated apis[04:51:15] <DDevine> I think it is a good goal, though yes I too would like to start getting away from BeOS.[04:51:26] <DraX> and the total eradincation of gcc2[04:51:38] <DraX> no os should ever gcc2 anymore, it's downright prehistoric[04:51:48] <DraX> s/ever/have/[04:51:59] <NathanP> I see what you mean.[04:52:06] <NathanP> One part of me is saying, drop it to move forward.[04:52:16] <DraX> and trying to make things compile on gcc2 just slows down development[04:52:19] <NathanP> But another wants to try and keep it for old time's memories sake.[04:52:47] *** Cammy has quit IRC[04:52:52] *** mmadia has quit IRC[04:52:55] <NathanP> (Also because I'm an evil driver whore who steals Haiku's latest drivers and recompiles them for ZETA and BeOS)[04:52:58] <NathanP> Muahahahaha.[04:53:29] <DraX> i'm looking to haiku to be my main desktop OS once some more things fall into place[04:53:44] <NathanP> We have Flash, what more do you want!?[04:54:00] <DraX> heh, gnash[04:54:08] <NathanP> Alright, Gnash sucks, I know.[04:54:10] <DraX> though at least itlooks like gnash is going to get working avm2 in a bit[04:54:20] <DraX> and it seems like swfdec is deadish[04:54:28] <NathanP> We need a updated Wine port to take advantage of the Windows flash player, perhaps? ;)[04:54:32] <NathanP> Cheap fix ahoy.[04:54:44] <NathanP> I hates Swfdec.[04:54:48] <NathanP> Hated.*[04:54:57] <DraX> i hated the swfdec developers[04:55:17] <DDevine> NathanP: updating the Wine port would be *HARD!*[04:55:20] <NathanP> We had a Java port going, but I have no idea where that ha went to.[04:55:26] <NathanP> DDevine, it's worth the challenge.[04:55:27] <DraX> they took their whole no crash policy to a remove code if we aren't activly running it on a devel-machine straregy[04:55:29] <NathanP> To Haikuware bounties![04:55:38] <DDevine> Wine isn't really a simple beast.[04:55:41] <NathanP> Add a $33,000 bounty for CodeWeavers to port it.[04:55:50] <DraX> i actually want to do a bounty for java[04:55:53] <DDevine> Why CodeWeavers?[04:56:02] <NathanP> Because they hire some of the best Wine developers?[04:56:03] <DraX> andrew and mvfranz and crew deserve some cash when they pull it off :)[04:56:21] <NathanP> We had a Java port set-up.[04:56:31] <NathanP> No idea how it's gone, since it seems dead in the water.[04:56:32] <DraX> it's being worked on[04:56:50] <DraX> http://hg.openjdk.java.net/haiku/haiku/hotspot/summary[04:57:01] <DraX> which seems to be dead right now..[04:57:04] <NathanP> Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at hg.openjdk.java.net[04:57:06] <NathanP> Yep.[04:57:10] <NathanP> Ha ha ha.[04:57:21] <mvfranz> NathanP the OpenJDK port is alive - it is a little slow at the moment[04:57:36] <NathanP> Well, God speed with it's development, then.[04:57:43] <NathanP> It's an important port, in my opinion.[04:58:02] <DraX> I'm going to start working on a dns component to net_server once axeld and I agree on how it should work. :)[04:58:12] <DraX> java is necessary for me to use haiku as a work OS[04:58:18] <DDevine> Yeah I saw that in the mailing list[04:58:47] <DDevine> DNS in net_server definitely would be nice.[04:58:53] <NathanP> Indeed it would.[04:59:03] <mvfranz> NathanP I agree, the good thing is the andrew and brian had a lot of work done for 1.4 and they are able to use that for jdk 7[04:59:04] <DraX> DNS that isn't 20 different conflicting resolvers would be nice[04:59:26] <NathanP> Yes, I recall Brian being behind Java for the BeOS.[04:59:34] <DraX> there needs to be one, and only one mechanism for resolving names[05:00:10] <NathanP> I'd also like to see an updated web server package for Haiku too.[05:00:21] <NathanP> He he, I'd love to host something on a Haiku box. ;)[05:00:27] <DDevine> Does Apache work on Haiku?[05:00:36] <NathanP> There's an older port for BeOS, I believe.[05:00:50] <jmayfield_> i have run a couple servers with haiku[05:00:52] <DDevine> NathanP: I will probably be hosting something on Haiku using CherryPy[05:00:58] <DDevine> It works.[05:01:17] <NathanP> If I can manage to get IPB working on a Haiku Server, I will celebrate.[05:01:17] <jmayfield_> too bad cherrypy is crap :-p[05:01:19] <DraX> apache is something that works in the nether regions of *nix[05:01:19] <jmayfield_> hehe[05:01:25] <DraX> so has the potential to be more complicated to port[05:01:28] <DDevine> na its good[05:01:36] <DDevine> whats wrong with CherryPy?[05:01:38] <jmayfield_> ....at being crappy[05:01:43] <NathanP> The name?[05:02:03] <DDevine> What would you use instead of CherryPy (though Web.py is good too)[05:02:15] <DraX> web.py isn'tan http server[05:02:15] <NathanP> Apache, or AOL Server.[05:02:19] <jmayfield_> actually, CP isnt *that* bad.. i just wouldnr use it by choice, unless my other choice was some big thing like django or turbogears[05:02:23] <DDevine> DraX: It can be one[05:02:41] <DraX> fapws2 <3[05:02:47] <NathanP> I'd be really interested in AOL Server.[05:02:55] <NathanP> But that's just because I'm special like that.[05:02:56] <jmayfield_> DDevine, hmm.. twisted/nevow, tornado, maybe pylons[05:02:56] <DDevine> jmayfield_: Turbogears is CherryPy. I didn't want a big framework though.[05:03:18] <NathanP> Hm...[05:03:21] *** mvfranz has quit IRC[05:03:22] <DDevine> jmayfield_: Yeah twisted and tornado are ok, but I like CherryPy.[05:03:31] <DraX> we use pylons at work, it's ok[05:03:35] <DDevine> It has just what I want and nothing more.[05:03:55] <NathanP> By R1, I'd expect Haiku to be rather idea for a server, stability wise.[05:04:05] <NathanP> But, server=/media/desktop OS.[05:04:18] <DDevine> No, Haiku is a desktop OS first and foremost.[05:04:28] <NathanP> Which is my point.[05:04:46] <DDevine> Yeah I'm doing a few things at once so I missed that[05:07:34] <NathanP> I'm positive FinallyFast made a Mac application just to make themselves seem less like marketing idiots.[05:07:45] * NathanP says, looking at his TV.[05:10:23] *** Geoz has quit IRC[05:10:43] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[05:20:01] <CIA-69> anevilyak * r34006 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/aboutsystem/AboutSystem.cpp: VL-Gothic's copyright was missing the NULL terminator on the argument list. This caused a crash on gcc2. Fixes ticket #4939.[05:20:35] <NathanP> Yahoo.[05:20:43] <NathanP> Say, wait, isn't that my ticket?[05:23:20] <DraX> i wonder how many commits to haiku are the unnecessary result of gcc2 being a piece of crap?[05:23:39] <NathanP> Hey, I love GCC2.[05:24:51] <DraX> yes we call that gcc2 stockholm syndrome[05:25:05] <NathanP> And I proudly flaunt it.[05:26:37] *** Devine has joined #haiku[05:27:15] <jmayfield_> DraX, careful.. one could make the same sort of statement about haiku (or any crazy alt os)[05:27:27] <jmayfield_> heh[05:27:29] <NathanP> True.[05:27:37] <NathanP> For example, why do we have Windows?[05:27:42] <NathanP> Doesn't Mac OS do all of that?[05:27:50] <jmayfield_> suck? yeah[05:27:50] <DraX> i'm perfectly fine where i am on the slippery slope :P[05:28:16] <NathanP> Touche, jmayfield.[05:28:54] *** DDevine has quit IRC[05:30:19] <NathanP> Let's drop GCC4 and go to GCC1.[05:30:23] <NathanP> I'm going to make a ticket for that.[05:30:28] <NathanP> Make it a major enhancement.[05:30:36] <jmayfield_> the only time i really think about mac being better in some way than windows is when i have to fire up a shell[05:30:43] *** CaptainPike has quit IRC[05:30:57] <DraX> and then you realize that what's available in the shell is actually a complte mess?[05:31:23] <NathanP> Bash the basher.[05:31:26] <DraX> neither a bsd or a gnu userland, configuration files in place that don't actually configure the software on the machine[05:31:33] <jmayfield_> heh.. as long as i dont have to use the f;ing windows command shell, its a good day[05:31:33] <DraX> DNS being the best/worst[05:31:47] <jmayfield_> but yeah.. osx pisses me off[05:31:48] <DraX> the dns configuration files configure certain dns components but not all of them[05:32:03] <DraX> OS X is actually fine if you don't touch the terminal[05:32:13] <NathanP> Man up, do it by hand![05:32:18] <DraX> but touching the terminal is a sure source of annoyance if tyou're used to *nix[05:32:26] <jmayfield_> um.. but the UI is horrid.. terminal is the best part[05:32:44] <NathanP> I do love terminals.[05:32:49] <NathanP> I prefer CLI over GUI.[05:32:57] <DraX> i just use emacs for everything[05:33:02] <DraX> irc, im, email, text editing[05:33:04] <NathanP> Nano, here.[05:33:05] <jmayfield_> heh[05:33:07] <DraX> twitter[05:33:31] <Devine> I use Nano too :P[05:33:41] <Devine> Vi is ok.. I can't get used to emacs.[05:34:00] <DraX> use viper mode ;)[05:34:08] <DraX> vi emulator in emacs[05:34:31] <DraX> i actually heard of some guy working a vimscript interpreter for emacs the other day[05:34:36] <DraX> mainly for color themes[05:35:00] *** CaptainPike has joined #haiku[05:35:00] <jmayfield_> vim (with or without pida) and sometimes eclipse/pydev.. thats my daily coding environment[05:35:32] <Devine> In the GUI I use Kate + terminal... Don't like eclipse.[05:35:44] <jmayfield_> pydev is great[05:36:00] <jmayfield_> if you invest the time to get used to eclipse, it can be really good[05:36:13] <NathanP> Wordpad."[05:36:16] <NathanP> I use Wordpad.[05:36:20] <Devine> I'm willing to revisit Eclipse. I don't hate it yet.[05:36:31] <Devine> Wordpad is useless, you have to use notepad.[05:36:34] <DraX> occasionally i use the hexeditor in emacs to edit utf-8[05:37:32] <jmayfield_> Devine, like i saud, pydev is wonderful.. and you dont get a better integrated svn situation than subclipse, imho[05:37:48] <NathanP> I like Wordpad. It formats all my PHP code.[05:38:05] <jmayfield_> :-php[05:38:21] <Devine> PHP is OK,but I've grown out of it.[05:38:29] <Devine> I prefer Python.[05:38:35] <NathanP> I was messing with ASP for awhile, but realized it sickens me.[05:38:44] <NathanP> "I know ASP!"[05:38:47] <NathanP> "Big deal!"[05:38:50] <Devine> ASP is *really* s***[05:38:51] <NathanP> Next day...[05:38:56] <NathanP> "I know PHP!"[05:39:03] <NathanP> "Awesome! Can I have your number!?"[05:39:22] <Devine> ASP sites are ALWAYS down lol.[05:39:22] <DraX> anyone know anything about the acer revo?[05:39:28] <NathanP> Yeah, chicks dig safe mode being off. ;)[05:40:04] * NathanP couldn't resist. Though, still, I suggest safe mode be off. I hate when it's on.[05:40:05] <DraX> thinking about getting one as a haiku box[05:40:05] *** CaptainPike_hero has quit IRC[05:40:12] <jmayfield_> think of how much time is wasted by people having to unlearn everything they picked up in their 'php days'[05:40:24] <jmayfield_> hehe[05:40:36] <NathanP> Yes, the instincts don't work so well in ASP>[05:41:37] <NathanP> "I know HTML!"[05:41:43] <NathanP> "Everyone does, wannabe."[05:41:59] <NathanP> It just ain't so cool anymore. :([05:43:21] <Devine> Well... everybody does know HTML....[05:43:36] <NathanP> I've heard even preschoolers know it these days.[05:43:49] <Devine> Though 90% of the "web designers" that come out of university are horrid.[05:44:12] <Devine> absolutely fricken horrid.[05:44:20] <NathanP> Web developers with OCD do best, I hear.[05:45:59] <NathanP> I hate web developers who do messy code, most.[05:46:26] <NathanP> I always have to go through things and make sure everything works right, or is at least cleaned up.[05:48:05] <CaptainPike> How does Haiku identify itself to #ifdef directives? (gcc4, C/C++ code). For example, is it: _HAIKU_ or haiku or POSIX or Linux, etc?[05:50:52] <NathanP> I honestly have no idea.[05:51:01] <NathanP> Though I doubt in any case it would be Linux.[05:55:03] *** bknoedel has joined #haiku[05:56:23] <Devine> I find the designs that a lot of the designers come up with are just convoluted or fashion statements.[05:56:49] <Devine> I have nothing against fancy web design, but they often do it when there is abosolutely no need.[05:57:16] <NathanP> When my project requires allot of creativity, I let it fly.[05:57:30] <NathanP> When it's a serious business portal, I don't have pink scribbles going around it.[05:57:36] <Devine> That, and they often have no regard for W3C standards or any browser besides IE6[05:57:59] <NathanP> And all my sites lack support for anything lower than IE8.[05:58:09] <NathanP> If they don't want to upgrade, it's their fault.[05:58:23] <NathanP> Even if it'll work, I still deny access if it's my choice.[05:58:27] <Devine> I don't support IE at all, but IE7 and newer seem to work generally.[05:58:38] <NathanP> If I could, I'[05:58:42] <NathanP> d block IE completely.[05:58:46] <NathanP> God aweful browser.[05:58:56] <Devine> You can block it completely.[05:59:00] <Devine> Use Browscap.[05:59:01] <NathanP> Stunted the growth of the web enough.[05:59:17] <NathanP> (If I COULD, as in not kill my business.)[05:59:46] <NathanP> Actually, that reminds me.[05:59:53] <NathanP> I'm featured on saveie6.com[05:59:58] *** hoelzro has quit IRC[06:00:01] <Devine> wut?[06:00:23] <NathanP> Pingdom made a joke site for IE6.[06:00:25] <NathanP> http://saveie6.com/[06:00:45] <NathanP> They allow comments to be addeed and pick some of the best on their feature page.[06:00:56] <NathanP> http://saveie6.com/buzz.php[06:00:59] <NathanP> The top one is mine.[06:01:19] <NathanP> I'm quite proud of that. (Sad, yes?)[06:01:37] *** skarmiglione has joined #haiku[06:01:42] *** skarmiglione has left #haiku[06:02:04] <Devine> lol[06:02:24] <NathanP> I was surprised one day to see my comment being featured on their front page.[06:02:34] <NathanP> I didn't realize it was that good. :p[06:02:49] *** judgen has quit IRC[06:02:58] *** bknoedel has quit IRC[06:09:20] <NathanP> For an April Fool's day, I'm going to make some of my sites IE6 only.[06:09:28] <NathanP> Just to see who actually downgrades. :p[06:09:32] <gtaw> Haha[06:09:34] <gtaw> That's cold[06:10:21] <Devine> You can't downgrade without reinstalling Windows.[06:10:52] <geist> boy i'm thinkin about it[06:10:54] <NathanP> Exactly. ;)[06:11:05] <geist> can't say win7 is a total disaster, but it's definitely not smooth sailing for me[06:11:07] <gtaw> Make a bunch of broken menus, NathanP.[06:11:26] <NathanP> Same, geist. It's much better than Vista, but I still prefer XP any day.[06:11:46] <NathanP> No, make everything transparent PNG's, too, gtaw.[06:11:47] <Devine> XP is too ancient.[06:12:03] <geist> yeah. now i've gotten it to where it's basically okay except: a) can't install some old drivers that will *never* be resigned[06:12:09] <Devine> I don't own a copy of Windows though so I don't have to worry about WIndows. Thinking of buying a copy though sometime.[06:12:10] <geist> and b) it blues screens about twice a day[06:12:17] <geist> i'm assuming b will go away with more mature drives[06:12:20] <geist> drivers[06:12:27] <geist> a is just a total bitch[06:12:33] <NathanP> I bought Windows 7 just for the try factor.[06:12:45] <geist> all in all though it's faster and realtively smooth[06:12:45] <Devine> I used a Win 7 RC[06:12:46] <NathanP> I may put it on a more dedicated partition after SP1.[06:13:11] <Devine> Win 7 is all hype though, cause Windows still sucks for everything besides games.[06:13:12] <geist> i should install visual studio 2005 though and see if it's even going to run[06:13:18] <geist> if it doesn,t then i'm gonna have to go back to xp[06:13:23] <NathanP> XP Mode?[06:13:26] <geist> no way i'm buying a new copy, and i still do a bit of hacking[06:13:59] <NathanP> Devine, I thought Wine was doing fine for me in that department.[06:14:19] <NathanP> I thought XP mode worked pretty decent, though it's pretty much just like Win4Lin on Linux.[06:14:22] <Devine> NathanP: Yeah I use Wine, but its not half as good as playing on Windows generally.[06:14:32] <NathanP> Sadely, yes.[06:14:40] <NathanP> But, CrossOver Games gets the job done.[06:14:54] <NathanP> At least CodeWeavers makes sure their supported apps remain working.[06:15:02] <Devine> A lot of big name games work, but without the full DX9 or DX10/11 experience...[06:15:45] <Devine> I just compile a different version of Wine and have it installed in /opt[06:15:51] <Devine> Are you using a Mac?[06:15:57] *** prOSy has joined #haiku[06:16:01] <NathanP> Linux. Never cared for Macs.[06:16:09] <Devine> We are on the same page then[06:16:27] <NathanP> I wish CodeWeavers would polish the app, though.[06:16:38] <NathanP> On Mac OS X, it looks clean and really nice.[06:16:47] <geist> wish i didn't occasionally play games or i'd just go full mac[06:16:49] <NathanP> On Linux, looks like... Well, X, I suppose.[06:16:51] <Devine> Just use Wine...No polish required.[06:17:02] <geist> Monkey hate windows[06:17:06] <NathanP> I do use Wine when I need to, but I prefer CrossOver.[06:17:45] <NathanP> For the fact that it trys to keep compatibility, pluss I support Wine development with my subscriptions.[06:18:07] <Devine> Yeah thats a good thing.[06:18:15] <Devine> Codeweavers need to be supported.[06:18:53] <NathanP> There also the only people paying for 24/7 Wine jobs.[06:19:13] <NathanP> Without CodeWeavers, we would be up the river with a broken paddle with what they've contributed.[06:20:10] <Devine> No thanks to Cedega... bastars.[06:20:22] <NathanP> I bought a subscription just to try it.[06:20:28] <NathanP> As expected, it was half baked to Hell and back.[06:20:38] <NathanP> They don't even try to delete the forum threads, too.[06:20:40] <Devine> Yeah that's what I found too.[06:21:16] <NathanP> They leach off the Wine project, and only started giving back when they had to under it's new license.[06:23:10] <NathanP> Well, let's tally how many Windows for Linux solutions there are.[06:23:19] <NathanP> There is Wine, of course, which has branches of:[06:23:22] <NathanP> CrossOver[06:23:33] <NathanP> Cedega, TransGaming's other offerings[06:23:52] <NathanP> Bordeaux, which focuses mainly on Photoshop.[06:24:01] *** xvedejas has quit IRC[06:24:21] <NathanP> And there's also Win4Lin, which after recent updates, became crap.[06:27:35] <Devine> Win4Lin? Why not jsut use VirtualBox in integration mode?[06:27:55] <NathanP> Eh, I've used Win4Lin for years.[06:28:09] <NathanP> I'm hoping it'll make a comeback in development.[06:28:45] <Devine> Seriously, just use VirtualBox.[06:28:54] <NathanP> I use VMWare Workstation these days.[06:29:09] <Devine> The non-open source version (free) does everything you could possibly want.[06:29:22] <NathanP> I've used VirtualBox.[06:29:42] <NathanP> I even keep it in places where it's needed. (Like eComStation.)[06:29:57] <NathanP> It's come a long way, now even having Direct3D.[06:30:25] <NathanP> (Which might I add is almost as good as VMWare, even supporting the non-proprietary graphics drivers, which VMWare bitched about.)[06:31:03] <NathanP> Unity mode has always been welcomed.[06:32:57] <NathanP> I'm going to be upgrading my hardware soon.[06:33:17] <NathanP> One of the things on my list: a Processor that supports virtualization.[06:34:24] <Devine> Even low end AMD processors support virtualization[06:34:43] <NathanP> Needs to be Intel in this case.[06:34:50] <NathanP> This P4 doesn't.[06:34:59] <Devine> P4?[06:35:10] <Devine> Just upgrade to a C2D or AMD setup.[06:35:19] <NathanP> I'm using P4 at 2.75 Ghz, I believe.[06:35:27] <Devine> P4 is aaaaanchient.[06:35:34] <NathanP> Ha ha! Came with the system![06:35:43] <NathanP> I bought it specifically for BeOS-related ventures.[06:35:43] *** {V} has joined #haiku[06:35:54] <NathanP> Like all my computers, I think with that thought process in mind.[06:36:10] <Devine> Just spend $250 and get new mobo, RAM and CPU. Will blow your P4 setup out of the water effortlessly.[06:36:29] <Devine> My gaming machine runs Haiku fine.[06:36:53] <NathanP> Getting a two HD's, a new processor, 2/4G Ram (We'll see...).[06:36:53] <Devine> I didn't even buy the parts with Haiku in mind.[06:37:12] <NathanP> I'm moving into a Haiku-supported platform these days.[06:37:18] <CIA-69> scottmc * r480 /haikuports/trunk/media-libs/ (libdca libdca/libdca-0.0.5.bep): Initial .bep file for libdca[06:37:19] <NathanP> I have a P3 I use for BeOS. :)[06:37:25] <Devine> May as well get a new mobo. It really does make more sense.[06:37:43] <NathanP> Might, but I'll have to see what Genny says about it.[06:38:41] <helf|laptop> $250 can build you a "pentium dualcore" tower thats ~2.4ghz with 1-2gb ram, 500gb hdd...[06:38:54] <NathanP> Sounds fair.[06:39:04] <NathanP> Genny might like that.[06:39:13] <helf|laptop> its what im thinking about doing[06:39:25] <Devine> AMD is much better value under $500[06:40:14] <helf|laptop> not really[06:40:18] <helf|laptop> well[06:40:20] <helf|laptop> depends, i guess[06:40:31] <helf|laptop> for well under $500, you can build a fast core2 machine[06:40:32] <NathanP> I wonder if any of you are curious as to who Genny is.[06:40:40] <helf|laptop> your daughter? :P[06:40:48] <NathanP> No, the computer.[06:40:55] <helf|laptop> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116072[06:41:07] <helf|laptop> that chip will clock in at 3.5ghz pretty easily on the stock cooler iirc[06:41:20] <helf|laptop> dualcore, 2mb cache, etc[06:41:26] <NathanP> 66 Bucks too. Pretty nice deal.[06:41:30] <helf|laptop> yep[06:41:36] <NathanP> I haven't overclocked in ages.[06:41:37] <helf|laptop> and you can get a decent board for $50-75[06:41:45] <helf|laptop> and ddr2 ram is dirt[06:41:52] <helf|laptop> 1gb would run like $25[06:42:00] <helf|laptop> maybe less[06:42:04] <NathanP> I was considering custom-building, but decided to just upgrade what I have for now.[06:42:26] <helf|laptop> depending on the board you got, you could upgrade a machine built with that for awhile[06:42:39] <helf|laptop> a good board can handle a quadcore chip with no issues[06:42:52] <NathanP> Dell Dimension D6000, I believe.[06:43:04] <helf|laptop> whats the specs on it?[06:43:06] <NathanP> 4600*[06:43:36] <helf|laptop> Devine, Intels lowend chips are faster than AMDs clock for clock in the same price range[06:43:46] <helf|laptop> unless you can get a triple or wuadcore phenomII for $66[06:43:50] <NathanP> 1GB Ram, 120GB HD (Currently failing.), Intel P4 Processor, 2.75Ghz, Nvidia GeForce 6600 at 256.[06:43:56] *** gtaw has quit IRC[06:44:00] <Devine> I don't think they are faster clock for clock.[06:44:03] <helf|laptop> NathanP, i'd just build a new machine :P[06:44:05] <Devine> Last I looked anyway[06:44:15] <NathanP> Aw, but you don't know me, helf|laptop.[06:44:26] <helf|laptop> Devine, its probably a toss up[06:44:32] <Devine> NathanP: Build a new machine![06:44:33] <helf|laptop> but they still draw more power and produce more heat[06:44:51] <helf|laptop> NathanP, you are probably like me and will dump as much money in an old machine to beef it up as it would cost to buld a new one[06:45:19] *** Sryche has quit IRC[06:45:34] <helf|laptop> i mean, how many people have a dual p3-s 1.4ghz machine with 1.5gb ram, a 500gb and a 300gb sata drive, dvd burner, nvidia 9400gt 1gb video card? ;)[06:45:50] <NathanP> Actually, I do.[06:45:54] <NathanP> His name is Theodore.[06:46:10] <helf|laptop> heh[06:46:20] <helf|laptop> im actually planning on upgrading this machine a bit more[06:46:41] <NathanP> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811156062[06:46:47] <NathanP> Might get this... >_>[06:46:48] <Devine> All three of my 500GB drives are failing :S There is something funny about the 500GB drives. I have Western Digital and Seagates. I want to try Samsungs next (I hear they are great)[06:47:00] <NathanP> I bought this off eBay.[06:47:05] <NathanP> The one with the failing HD.*[06:47:14] <NathanP> So, I can imagine why it cost so little.[06:47:25] <NathanP> He even re-installed Windows for me on the machine.[06:47:27] *** Sryche has joined #haiku[06:47:29] <NathanP> Just... Didn't add drivers.[06:47:34] <helf|laptop> Devine, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103711[06:47:40] <NathanP> So... Why do I do? Install Zeta over it. :P[06:47:46] <helf|laptop> that actually is probably faster than that $66 intel chip :P[06:47:57] <NathanP> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811103010[06:48:09] <NathanP> Nothing like a giant jet engine sticking outta' your ports.[06:48:19] <helf|laptop> NathanP, want me to build you a newegg wishlist later? :P[06:48:31] <NathanP> Heh, I'll have to consult my budget.[06:48:32] <helf|laptop> i have an awesome desktop orientated case that i would recommend to anyone[06:48:40] <helf|laptop> it was for a failed build[06:48:42] <helf|laptop> never used[06:48:49] <NathanP> I'd like to get a C64's case.'[06:48:50] <helf|laptop> i opened it up once and havent touched it. ill sell it ;)[06:48:57] <NathanP> Then rig it out to have in it some modern hardware.[06:49:02] <helf|laptop> heh[06:49:04] <helf|laptop> that would be great[06:49:11] <DraX> woo ldns compiled without a hitch \o/[06:49:17] <NathanP> If I had an empty C64 case, believe me, I would do it.[06:49:19] <helf|laptop> heck, if you REALLY tried, you could build an i5 rig for $350[06:49:33] <NathanP> Then I can say my web servers are powered by Commodore 64's.[06:49:41] <helf|laptop> Devine, you cna build a good i5 tower for under $500. im pretty sure thatll beat anything amd :)[06:49:58] <Devine> That Raidmax case is pretty cool, but I don't think they sell Raidmax cases in Australia[06:50:09] <NathanP> That'd be pretty awesome too.[06:50:22] <Devine> helf|laptop: If I am going to spend money on a new setup I am going i7 or nothing.[06:50:22] <NathanP> "The only web host using C64's to handle your data."[06:50:24] <helf|laptop> right now i just need/want storage[06:50:33] <NathanP> Yeah, I can see the money flowing in at that thought.[06:50:46] <helf|laptop> Devine, you can go i5 and upgrade to an i7 later on if you wanted to save some cash while prices drop[06:51:05] <Devine> Yeah I thought about doing that[06:51:09] <Devine> We will see next year.[06:51:13] <helf|laptop> yeah[06:51:15] <helf|laptop> im waiting[06:51:25] <helf|laptop> maybe by next year, i can afford the 6core i7s :P[06:51:25] <Devine> i7 920 is a great chip (good overclocker too)[06:51:45] <helf|laptop> the i7-870 is apparently better[06:51:47] <helf|laptop> *850[06:51:50] <helf|laptop> or whatever it is[06:52:05] <NathanP> I should buy a machine with an Intel graphics card.[06:52:10] <helf|laptop> Devine, it keeps up with or beats the 920 in most benchmarks and it overclocks well[06:52:20] <helf|laptop> NathanP, ...why?[06:52:26] <NathanP> I hear they're the best out there.[06:52:34] * helf|laptop falls over laughing[06:52:49] <Devine> NathanP: are you freakin serious?[06:52:57] <NathanP> Yes, are they good?[06:53:05] <Devine> Intel = fail.[06:53:14] <NathanP> No, they must be good![06:53:14] <helf|laptop> they blow[06:53:22] <NathanP> If they can do processors, why not graphics![06:53:29] <helf|laptop> They are good for 2d stuff and hd video acceleration[06:53:31] <helf|laptop> and thats about it[06:53:32] <Devine> Intel graphics blow chunks.[06:53:35] <NathanP> No, I'm not serious.[06:53:41] <helf|laptop> :P[06:53:43] <NathanP> God, I hate Intel graphics with a passion.[06:53:57] <helf|laptop> my GMA950 runs fine on this laptop ;)[06:54:02] <helf|laptop> with ubuntu[06:54:04] <helf|laptop> sucks in windows[06:54:10] <helf|laptop> composition is nice, tho[06:54:21] <Devine> I am thinking about switching from Nvidia to ATi.[06:54:31] <jmayfield_> hi helf|laptop[06:54:54] <prOSy> [07:01] <helf|laptop> my GMA950 runs fine on this laptop ;) <--------- also with Haiku?[06:55:08] <Devine> I would like to be able to take advantage of the open source driver work with ATi.[06:55:11] *** CaptainPike has quit IRC[06:55:45] <NathanP> God, Devine, no![06:55:52] <NathanP> Not Ati, especially Not Ati on Linux.[06:56:02] <helf|laptop> ati on linux sucks unless its an older card[06:56:07] <helf|laptop> prOSy, never tried[06:56:11] <Devine> NathanP: I know all about teh suckyness.[06:56:11] <NathanP> No, it sucks WITH older cards.[06:56:14] <helf|laptop> hey jmayfield[06:56:17] <NathanP> Just ask my X300 Mobility.[06:56:23] <prOSy> helf|laptop: ok, thx[06:56:23] <helf|laptop> NathanP, no, i mean OLDER[06:56:28] <helf|laptop> my radeon 7000 runs great[06:56:34] <NathanP> Older?[06:56:35] <Devine> I know of the suckyness, but I figure they are making a lot of progress.[06:56:36] <helf|laptop> with full composition support :P[06:56:41] <NathanP> Well, I do have a nVidia Riva TNT2.[06:56:49] <NathanP> Around that generation in age, you mean?[06:56:54] <NathanP> (Ignore that it's Nvidia.)[06:56:54] <helf|laptop> prOSy, ill try it out those when i get a new hdd for this laptop :)[06:57:17] <Devine> And they run will in Windows, (I will have Windows available on my new setup) so I figure an ATi is a distinct possibility in my new setup.[06:57:20] <prOSy> ok[06:57:36] <NathanP> ATI hates Linux.[06:57:46] <helf|laptop> most hardware vendors hate linux[06:57:51] <NathanP> nVidia doesn't.[06:57:53] <prOSy> i will try my Board w i945gfx chip then[06:57:59] <helf|laptop> NathanP, yes tehy do[06:58:00] <NathanP> They have drivers for even their TNT's![06:58:06] <prOSy> still waiting for a cheap cpu... ;-)[06:58:07] <helf|laptop> imagine having to create new kernel stubs all the time[06:58:16] <NathanP> I can imagine the hell.[06:58:18] <Devine> The new open source ATi drivers aren't too bad. Though nvidia works awesomely...[06:58:22] <NathanP> Still, they do better than ATI.[06:58:36] <helf|laptop> prOSy, need an upgrade? :) what are you running now?[06:58:40] <Devine> Nvidia pwns on Linux.[06:59:00] <helf|laptop> it still blows chunks comapred to their windows counterparts[06:59:02] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[06:59:06] <helf|laptop> hey miqlas[06:59:36] <prOSy> helf|laptop: running C2Q w GF6600 gfx card[06:59:50] <prOSy> runs like hell w Haiku :D[06:59:55] <helf|laptop> i imagine! :D[07:00:08] <helf|laptop> that is way faster than anything i currently have. heh[07:00:09] * prOSy is wondering how the Hell is able to run...[07:00:15] <helf|laptop> my fastest machine is this core duo 1.6 laptop[07:00:22] <NathanP> Even Vesa is fast in Haiku.[07:00:29] * prOSy is not native english, so sorry ;-)[07:00:29] <helf|laptop> NathanP, depends on the machine[07:00:34] <NathanP> True.[07:00:39] <helf|laptop> vesa on my nvidia 9400gt pci card on my dual tualatins SUCKS[07:00:40] <NathanP> I retract that comment.[07:00:49] <prOSy> running 12 Videos in vesa[07:00:51] <NathanP> *Vesa on some machines are fairly fast.[07:00:53] <NathanP> Better?[07:00:54] <helf|laptop> but on newer hardware, it apparnetly runs great[07:01:24] <helf|laptop> prOSy, you have FOUR cpus to drive it, tho :P[07:01:49] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[07:02:05] <NathanP> I've ran Haiku on 2 CPU's.[07:02:11] <NathanP> I had fun switching 'em on and off.[07:02:15] <NathanP> Running a hella'[07:02:20] <NathanP> lot demos, switching them.[07:02:29] <NathanP> Still went fairly nice with one off.[07:02:56] <helf|laptop> i need to run haiku with a properly accelerated video card[07:02:56] <OmniMancer> is there any way you could accidentally turn off both?[07:03:05] <helf|laptop> the graphics performance left a lot to be desired on my machines[07:03:12] <prOSy> helf|laptop: http://picasaweb.google.com/zer0xEB/HAIKUScreenshows#[07:03:16] <helf|laptop> OmniMancer, i dont think the tool will let you do that[07:03:35] <NathanP> OmniMancer, believe me, I tried.[07:03:42] <NathanP> It doesn't.[07:03:49] <helf|laptop> prOSy, nice :D[07:03:56] <NathanP> It says "Are you stupid? Don't try it!."[07:04:12] <NathanP> There should be a "Do it" option. ;)[07:04:56] <helf|laptop> does haiku support hyperthreading on i7 chips yet?[07:05:09] <helf|laptop> or even on p4s?[07:05:13] <NathanP> No idea.[07:05:23] <NathanP> If it does, I wouldn't know. It didn't boot on my machine with it.[07:05:27] <helf|laptop> i should install it on my xeon[07:05:29] <prOSy> helf|laptop: would be nice, because a quadcore would provide 8 logical cpus[07:05:33] <helf|laptop> yeah[07:05:44] <helf|laptop> and 10-30% performance boost[07:05:50] <helf|laptop> per core[07:06:12] <helf|laptop> my xeon is dual 2.2ghz p4s with HT[07:06:19] <helf|laptop> be nice to have a "quadcore" haiku box[07:06:32] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[07:06:35] <prOSy> hehe, performance Junkies surrounding me in the Haiku world (and: i am infected too since 2001... :-) )[07:06:51] *** miqlas has quit IRC[07:06:58] <NathanP> "Because one processor is not enough."[07:07:02] <helf|laptop> prOSy, trust me, if i had the money, i'd be using a quad 6core xeon box :P[07:07:07] <NathanP> I read that somewhere, can't remember, though.[07:07:13] <NathanP> Think it was a Windows computing magazine.[07:07:13] <prOSy> NathanP: true![07:07:36] <helf|laptop> http://www.edkeyes.org/blog/050505.html[07:07:37] <NathanP> (If anyone Does know where that really comes from... ;) )[07:07:38] <prOSy> Jean Louis Gassee: one processor per person is not enough... afair[07:07:39] <helf|laptop> that maybe? :P[07:07:48] <NathanP> Damn you![07:08:00] <NathanP> prOSy, I hate you. :([07:08:08] <helf|laptop> heh[07:08:09] <prOSy> helf|laptop: would be interesting how haiku is scaling on such a lot CPUs[07:08:16] <helf|laptop> it would be[07:08:27] <helf|laptop> too bad those 6 core xeon chips still run $1500-2k[07:08:41] <prOSy> uhh ohh, that is expensive[07:08:45] <helf|laptop> yeah[07:08:49] <helf|laptop> 18cores would be fun, tho[07:09:02] <NathanP> What about 50 cores? ;)[07:09:08] <helf|laptop> prOSy, intel is supposedly releasing 8 core xeon i7s next year[07:09:19] <helf|laptop> so a dual 8core rig would give you 32 logical cores[07:09:19] <helf|laptop> :D[07:09:34] <NathanP> We're almost there, then, helf|laptop.[07:09:45] <NathanP> We need two dual 8core rigs, then.[07:09:52] <NathanP> 64 cores![07:09:53] <NathanP> Muahahaha![07:09:54] <helf|laptop> or a quad 8core machine[07:09:57] <NathanP> Have Pulse show THAT![07:10:00] <prOSy> when i can spend some time at work (maybe on christmas evening) i'll try haiku on our ESX servers and give that os 8 virtual cores, just for the screenshot ;-)[07:10:01] <helf|laptop> heh[07:10:17] <helf|laptop> prOSy, i could boot it up on our mac pro at work[07:10:18] *** joeyadams has quit IRC[07:10:21] <helf|laptop> its running dual quadcore xeons[07:10:41] <prOSy> helf|laptop: nice! and interesting[07:10:50] <helf|laptop> 3ghz chips and 16gb ram[07:10:50] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[07:11:06] <prOSy> i just ordered an old G3 just for trying Haiku on that old PPC HW[07:11:16] <helf|laptop> does it even boot on ppc yet?[07:11:17] <prOSy> well 10 Euros, not that much[07:11:35] <prOSy> i did not get managed yet to boot from Haiku CD[07:11:49] <prOSy> even the install of BeOS R5 failed[07:12:04] <helf|laptop> r5 only boots on REALLY early g3 machines[07:12:14] <prOSy> it is an old medical G3 Mac from GE (been sonographic machine)[07:12:43] <prOSy> i'll give it a try next year again[07:13:05] <helf|laptop> crap, ive gotta pay for that raid controller today[07:13:13] <helf|laptop> stupid bank was closed yesterday[07:13:35] <NathanP> Godspeed, helf|laptop![07:13:35] <helf|laptop> i scored a sata pci-x raid controller for $135 shipped :) still retails for $300[07:13:51] <helf|laptop> supports up to raid-6 and has 256mb cache[07:13:52] <prOSy> so, must leave for work now[07:13:58] <helf|laptop> bye, prOSy[07:14:01] <prOSy> laters peoples[07:14:03] *** prOSy has quit IRC[07:14:34] <NathanP> Pssh... Use Linspire.[07:14:39] <helf|laptop> heh[07:14:44] <helf|laptop> or hannah montanna linux[07:15:03] <jmayfield_> jesux![07:15:17] <helf|laptop> wtf would possess someone to create that?[07:15:30] <NathanP> You're looking at him, actually.[07:15:34] <helf|laptop> you bastard[07:15:36] <helf|laptop> :P[07:15:39] <NathanP> Nathan P. creator of HML.[07:15:45] <NathanP> I worked hard on the KDE theme.[07:15:49] <helf|laptop> heh[07:15:57] <helf|laptop> im hoping this raid card works well[07:16:01] <NathanP> I admit, I should have done better with the sound.[07:16:06] <helf|laptop> if it doe,s im buying a second one and then 8 1.5tb drives :)[07:16:19] <NathanP> I hope the next release will include an updated interface and some more Hannah-specific apps.[07:16:30] <helf|laptop> heh[07:16:40] <NathanP> I might add a feed for some of Miley's social profiles.[07:16:52] <helf|laptop> once i get that stuff working in my xoen, ill worry about building a newer tower. i want gobs of storage[07:17:43] <Devine> NathanP: OMFG. Kubuntu is the WORST distro ever.[07:17:54] <NathanP> I didn't mind it.[07:17:59] <Devine> Never seen anything worse.[07:18:03] * helf|laptop rather enjoys gnome[07:18:06] <NathanP> I needed a quick set-up, and Kubuntu restricted extras did the trick.[07:18:12] <helf|laptop> it does what it should and stays out of the way :)[07:18:22] <Devine> I love KDE, but I hate Kubuntu. Any other distro does KDE better than Ubuntu,[07:18:27] <NathanP> Planning to take advantage of Ubuntu's new boot.[07:18:39] <helf|laptop> Devine, kubuntu is the bastard child anyways[07:18:40] <NathanP> A Hannah Montana boot screen in higher quality will be nice.[07:19:33] <NathanP> Thinking of a stage image with the lights being the loading screen. :)[07:19:35] <NathanP> Any ideas?[07:20:40] <jmayfield_> gnome[07:20:51] <NathanP> No, has to be KDE.[07:21:09] <NathanP> I might release a GNOME flavour, but it'll take some time.[07:21:16] <helf|laptop> jmayfield, remember me mentioning my vans engine getting really rattly and thinking it was a bearing?[07:21:21] <NathanP> Anyways, who actually thought I was behind HML?[07:21:31] <Devine> NathanP: Me.[07:21:33] <Devine> lol[07:21:48] <NathanP> He he he.[07:21:48] <jmayfield_> helf|laptop, yeah...[07:21:58] <helf|laptop> jmayfield, yeah.. turns out it was an epic octane ping[07:22:05] <NathanP> The fact that the real person behind it doesn't want to be known makes it easier to impersonate them![07:22:25] <helf|laptop> i ran a pint of marvel mystery oil through it and on my trip to texas and back i only put 89 octane in it and the rattle is totally gone[07:22:40] <helf|laptop> the engine calls for 87, but im wondering if the new 10% ethanol mix is effing with it[07:23:52] <helf|laptop> its a TBI engine with absolutely no way for the ECU to adjust for an ethanol mixture[07:23:55] <NathanP> I should make a Jonas Brothers Linux.[07:24:02] <helf|laptop> ugh[07:24:04] <helf|laptop> :P[07:24:08] <jmayfield_> heh[07:24:11] <NathanP> Just so I can attend LinuxCon and say I am the guy.[07:24:23] <NathanP> And get punched by Linus Torvalds.[07:24:26] *** fhein has joined #haiku[07:24:30] <NathanP> Man, that's be both painful and sexy.[07:24:55] <helf|laptop> yeah, your mom agrees[07:24:59] <NathanP> Who wouldn't want to be punched by Linux Torvalds?[07:25:11] <NathanP> Hey, if my mom screws Linus, that will be even better.[07:25:11] <helf|laptop> I'd like to punch him[07:25:43] <NathanP> Now... RMS? God no.[07:25:47] <NathanP> I'd like to punch him.[07:25:52] <helf|laptop> in the nuts[07:25:57] <NathanP> He has none, remember?[07:26:02] <helf|laptop> oh, right[07:26:15] <NathanP> He decided to show his freedom of free action by castrating himself in the Summer of '98.[07:26:20] <Devine> Linus is a bastard (says so himself) but RMS is mostly just eccentric.[07:26:32] <helf|laptop> RMS goes way beyong eccentric[07:26:35] <helf|laptop> beyond[07:26:53] <NathanP> Linus is a guy who bad mouths people (Interface Nazies: see Gnome) but you can still appreciate the guy.[07:27:03] <NathanP> RMS is an all-around FOSS troll.[07:27:18] <jmayfield_> rms is funny. i like him[07:27:20] <helf|laptop> It wouldbe nice if they would give the kernel an ABI that stays the same for more than a minor point release or two[07:27:27] <Devine> jmayfield_: thats what I think[07:27:50] <helf|laptop> yea,h he can be :P[07:27:52] <Devine> Linus is a lovable bastard that many people would like to punch in the face.[07:27:54] <helf|laptop> I still want to punch him, tho[07:28:05] <jmayfield_> and i admire his stick-to-it-iveness when it comes to his ideals[07:28:17] <helf|laptop> jmayfield, however misguided they may be :P[07:28:18] <Devine> yeah[07:28:36] <jmayfield_> helf|laptop, except for that i mostly agree with him[07:28:39] <helf|laptop> Devine, I love how linus called the windows hate a "sickness" :)[07:28:42] <jmayfield_> heh[07:28:52] <helf|laptop> jmayfield, :P[07:28:56] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[07:29:07] <NathanP> It is, though.[07:29:07] <helf|laptop> he does go freaking overboard with it, tho[07:29:14] <helf|laptop> NathanP, i know[07:29:19] <NathanP> It is, though.[07:29:21] <Devine> helf|laptop: I'm sick then, but I don' try to infect other people.[07:29:24] <helf|laptop> I'm just happy to hear the head guy say it[07:29:37] <helf|laptop> Devine, :)[07:29:42] <helf|laptop> I hate it at times[07:29:53] <helf|laptop> but mostly when having to fix peoples machines. it rarely ever messes up for me[07:29:57] <Devine> I can live with it when a full screen game covers it up.[07:30:04] <helf|laptop> heh[07:30:12] <NathanP> My Windows installs run in "layers"[07:30:14] <Devine> But when I can see it poking out I almost get physically sick.[07:30:17] * helf|laptop rarely has anything glitch up[07:30:21] <helf|laptop> Devine, thats sad[07:30:24] <NathanP> We have the OS > Security software > Sandbox > Software layers.[07:30:31] <NathanP> Nothing actually touches the OS.[07:30:37] <NathanP> Keeps it secure and clean. :)[07:30:44] <NathanP> Yeah, I'm crazy.[07:30:59] <helf|laptop> unless you are a complete moron, an XP install can be kept clean without issue :)[07:31:00] <Devine> NathanP: I have thought about installing everything in Windows via Sanboxie.[07:31:10] <Devine> helf|laptop: No it can't.[07:31:15] <helf|laptop> yeah, it can[07:31:21] <Devine> na.[07:31:24] <helf|laptop> yep[07:31:26] <NathanP> No, because it's installing Windows! :P[07:31:26] <Devine> na[07:31:36] * helf|laptop has never had a virus on a personal machine[07:31:38] * NathanP plays a cheap drum.[07:31:50] <Devine> helf|laptop: You have never had antivirus to tell you that you had a virus.[07:31:52] <Devine> lol[07:31:59] <helf|laptop> yes i have[07:32:02] <NathanP> I had OneCare...[07:32:04] <helf|laptop> ill run on on occasion[07:32:05] <NathanP> It is the best![07:32:20] <Devine> lol[07:32:53] <Devine> Apparently MS's new AV isn't bad. It holds its own against other products.[07:33:12] <Devine> But again, I don't have Windows so I don't have to care.[07:34:19] <helf|laptop> cool[07:38:59] <helf|laptop> I do love how the people that don't use windows are the most vocal ones when it comes to bashing it[07:39:23] <NathanP> It's like praising Amiga and you never ran it?[07:39:31] <NathanP> Crap, I described half the Amiga community there, didn't I?[07:39:36] <helf|laptop> hehe[07:40:02] <helf|laptop> i liked the hardwares feature set and ran the OS in Amiga Forever :P[07:40:16] <NathanP> Amiga Forever is the only way I run Amiga these days.[07:40:17] <jmayfield_> you have to imagine how insulting it was as an amiga user to be plopped infront of win3.1[07:40:23] <NathanP> The Sam boards alone are mad expensive.[07:40:28] <helf|laptop> jmayfield, i bet that was awful[07:40:44] <helf|laptop> jmayfield, hell, being a riscos user plopped in front of windows[07:41:02] <NathanP> Hell, being a Windows user ploped in front of RiscOS. :p[07:41:10] <helf|laptop> true :D[07:41:26] <helf|laptop> i still dont see why any amiga user would have moved to a normal pc and windows 3.x or 9.x[07:41:32] <helf|laptop> *9x[07:41:36] <NathanP> Let's face it: Those who are born and raised on one platform can easily become ignorant to other OS's and architectures.[07:41:42] <helf|laptop> yeah[07:41:52] <NathanP> I was born and raised by myself when it came to tech.[07:41:56] <helf|laptop> thats why im an equal opportunity hardware/os lover[07:41:58] <NathanP> I experimented with everything.[07:42:05] <helf|laptop> me too[07:42:10] <helf|laptop> for the longest time i was a huge OS whore[07:42:22] <NathanP> I strive to run something different.[07:42:29] <Devine> helf|laptop: I have used windows (quite a lot) and I do use it day to day at work, and I support it day to day and so all I ever see is Windows installs falling to pieces.[07:42:34] <helf|laptop> before i tossed out everything, i probably had 50 floppies with different OSes on them and a bajillion CDs with everything possible on them[07:42:38] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[07:42:51] <helf|laptop> Devine, that sucks[07:43:12] <helf|laptop> I'll admit, I see it failing on other peoples machines all the time[07:43:16] <helf|laptop> I have no fucking clue how they do it[07:43:25] <NathanP> When Haiku comes out to R1, we need to launch an OEM company for Haiku machines.[07:43:30] <helf|laptop> my last windows 2000 install was over 7 years old before I got rid of it[07:43:41] <NathanP> Call it a HaiBox. :p[07:43:56] <helf|laptop> NathanP, o'hai! box[07:44:00] *** sprma has joined #haiku[07:44:03] <NathanP> (Cheesy drug reference, I think.)[07:44:09] <NathanP> Imagine a high person using Haiku.[07:44:15] <NathanP> "Wheee sliding tabs!"[07:44:21] <jmayfield_> um...[07:44:24] <NathanP> But that's also me every other day.[07:44:25] <jmayfield_> heh[07:44:31] <Devine> NathanP: I would like to see some haiku hardware after R1 :) I would love to see some official hardware for the ARM port too :0[07:44:32] <helf|laptop> I've noticed :P[07:44:32] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[07:44:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[07:44:54] <OmniMancer> then we can see if we can get it to run on the iphone :P[07:44:55] <NathanP> Haiku for the mobile platform?[07:44:56] <helf|laptop> ive gotta backup this laptop and reload it[07:45:07] <helf|laptop> i made the mistake of doing a dist-upgrade and it failed somewhat[07:45:15] <NathanP> Ubuntu, helf|laptop?[07:45:25] <helf|laptop> OmniMancer, the beos UI fails for small touch screens[07:45:27] <Devine> OmniMancer: They can't get Linux to run on the iPhone ebcause of locked hardware. N900 yes.[07:45:30] <helf|laptop> NathanP, yes[07:45:44] <NathanP> helf|laptop, NEVER upgrade to a new Ubuntu revision from the previous one.[07:45:49] <NathanP> Always do a fresh install.[07:45:50] <helf|laptop> I've noticed :P[07:45:56] <helf|laptop> I never do that, usually[07:45:58] <Devine> Always clean installs, especially on Ubuntu.[07:46:00] <helf|laptop> but i figured what the hell[07:46:09] <NathanP> Mandriva is alright.[07:46:17] <NathanP> Never had a problem with their upgrades.[07:46:25] <Devine> 10 to 11 went well forme.[07:46:34] <Devine> I suspect 11 to 12 will be ok too.[07:46:40] <helf|laptop> why would you want linux on the iPhone, anyways?[07:46:50] <NathanP> I did a 2009.1 to 2010.0 and it was completely smooth.[07:46:55] <NathanP> No issues at all.[07:47:09] <jmayfield_> i want linux on an iphone[07:47:14] <helf|laptop> i keep noticing little things that arent working right[07:47:17] <NathanP> If we can have Linux on a bread toaster, why not an expensive paper weight, helf|laptop!?[07:47:20] <helf|laptop> like my weather applet now wont update the temp[07:47:25] *** mmadia has quit IRC[07:47:53] <helf|laptop> jmayfield, why? which interface would you use? run android on it?[07:48:05] <helf|laptop> and sell your soul to both apple AND google![07:48:07] <helf|laptop> woo hoo[07:48:22] <Devine> Maemo seems to rock.[07:48:24] <NathanP> I'd sell my soul to Google.[07:48:29] <NathanP> They'd do good with it.[07:48:33] <helf|laptop> hahah[07:48:35] <helf|laptop> yeah right[07:48:35] <helf|laptop> :P[07:48:42] <NathanP> Better than Apple would.[07:48:46] <helf|laptop> probably[07:48:48] <NathanP> They'd sodomize me with a spoon.[07:48:52] <OmniMancer> well you have to ask yourself[07:48:53] <jmayfield_> helf|laptop, dunno..but if i had an iphone, i'd probably fiddle with it for a couple hours then wish it had some other os on it and not touch it much afterwards[07:49:00] <OmniMancer> how much good can a company that buys souls do?[07:49:01] <helf|laptop> jmayfield, yeah, me too[07:49:09] <helf|laptop> jmayfield, ive played with my friends... didnt see its appeal[07:49:14] <NathanP> OmniMancer, it's a company of lawyers.[07:49:18] <Devine> NathanP: They would like to do good with it, but in their hands they would only do great and terrible things. You must give your soul to the hobbit![07:49:21] <NathanP> We all know they work with the Devil at that.[07:49:31] <jmayfield_> i have a blackberry.. was cheap, works well for what i need[07:49:34] <OmniMancer> :P[07:49:39] <helf|laptop> ive GOT to get a new phone[07:49:45] <NathanP> Devine, screw the Hobbit. AT&T sucked and you know it![07:49:51] <helf|laptop> im tempted to buy a cheap one that has a qwerty keypad[07:50:01] <Devine> I have a n96 - worst phone ever. Give me a $50 phone any day over the n96.[07:50:08] <helf|laptop> i havbe a treo 800w[07:50:11] <NathanP> I'm considering the Droid.[07:50:16] <helf|laptop> and its turned into the flakiest piece of shit[07:50:17] <jmayfield_> phone, exchange, gps+google maps, occasional web[07:50:20] <quietdev> oh wow treo?[07:50:25] <NathanP> I was considering the Treo, but I never buy them.[07:50:35] <helf|laptop> ive had a treo 600 and a treo 650p before it[07:50:35] <NathanP> Ever year I say "I'll get a Treo" I never do.[07:50:38] <helf|laptop> and they all worked well[07:50:38] <NathanP> Not joking, either.[07:50:53] <helf|laptop> the 800w is a piece of shit[07:51:11] <NathanP> 600 series was good, I hear.[07:51:12] <helf|laptop> i think my next phone wont be a smart phone[07:51:15] <Devine> helf|laptop: We have the same phone problem, except my n96 is possibly even flakier.[07:51:20] <helf|laptop> itll be something with awesome battery life and can text[07:51:28] <NathanP> I don't get the Pre because those commercials with that girl who looks like the kid from Home Alone scares me.[07:51:37] <Devine> helf|laptop: I'm put off smart phones too except the n900 is so damn cool.[07:51:38] <helf|laptop> Devine, there are times where i have to reset my phone two or three times in a row before the radio will get out of a weird state[07:51:54] <helf|laptop> NathanP, i dunno.. she i kinda creepily hot :P[07:51:57] <helf|laptop> *is[07:51:58] <Devine> Wow your radio works at all?[07:52:03] <NathanP> I don't get the iPhone because AT&T in my area is crap.[07:52:05] <helf|laptop> lol Devine[07:52:30] <helf|laptop> I hate all these devices that keep coming out that try to do everything and suck at it all[07:52:44] <NathanP> What happened to AmigaAnywhere?[07:52:53] <NathanP> Oh, yea... Amiga...[07:53:00] * helf|laptop is going to start carrying a camera, normal phone, and his DS with him everywhere[07:53:02] <helf|laptop> fuck all in ones[07:53:11] <NathanP> You have a DS?[07:53:14] <NathanP> I had two.[07:53:15] <helf|laptop> I love my DS[07:53:23] <NathanP> First one I blended up to see if it would blend.[07:53:28] <helf|laptop> i also have an R4DS[07:53:33] <helf|laptop> and 100GB of DS ROMs[07:53:36] <NathanP> Then I called Nintendo and asked for a new one, saying it accidently fell in a blender.[07:53:41] <NathanP> I got a new one with a care kit, too.[07:53:47] <NathanP> Then I proceeded to run it over.[07:53:51] <NathanP> I love technology.[07:54:28] <NathanP> (I was trying to see how far Nintendo would go with support. :p )[07:54:44] <NathanP> Did I mention the first one was also the Last one in stock at the first day of launch.[07:54:53] <helf|laptop> they just recently stopped repairing NES machines due to part depletion[07:54:55] <NathanP> There were so many little kids behind me wanting one.[07:54:57] <NathanP> Muahahahaa.[07:55:08] <NathanP> Yeah, Nintendo has great part support.[07:55:22] <helf|laptop> its amazing[07:55:34] *** rbi has joined #haiku[07:55:39] <NathanP> Who else supports one of their first game system still?[07:55:41] <helf|laptop> i guess after they ran out of parts, they fired their one NES repair technician :P[07:56:06] <NathanP> No, he went to VirtualBoy, helf|laptop.[07:56:09] <NathanP> He repairs allot of them.[07:56:10] <helf|laptop> ha[07:56:17] <NathanP> People who get decieved by the cheap 3D.[07:56:34] <helf|laptop> VirtualBoy : The toy so totally rad it'll make you go blind[07:56:39] <NathanP> I should add, the VB was an amazing concept at the time.[07:56:44] <NathanP> Just... Badle executed?[07:56:52] <NathanP> It gave people seizures.[07:56:56] <helf|laptop> Amazing at giving you migraines :P[07:56:58] <NathanP> Allot of Nintendo things do that.[07:57:06] <NathanP> Pokemon episodes did, too.[07:57:09] *** sprma has quit IRC[07:57:21] <jmayfield_> i spent a lot of time with excite bike and mike tysons punch out[07:57:22] <helf|laptop> my sisters Wii nearly got us a broken window[07:57:36] *** triplez has quit IRC[07:57:42] <NathanP> Wii: Powerglove 2.0.[07:57:46] <NathanP> Sorry, couldn't resist.[07:58:06] <helf|laptop> she was playing tennis and was wialing around and the controller slipped out of her hand and she wasnt using hte strap[07:58:11] <helf|laptop> it left a dent in the drywall[07:58:14] *** triplez has joined #haiku[07:58:17] <NathanP> Ha ha![07:58:25] <NathanP> Those things are heavier than they seem.[07:58:41] <helf|laptop> also, don't get me started on my drywall hatred :P[07:58:45] <NathanP> I remember the iSight or whatever for the PS2.[07:58:50] <NathanP> Man, that was allot of fun.[07:58:59] <helf|laptop> eye something[07:59:12] <helf|laptop> iSight is the apple webcam iirc[07:59:14] <NathanP> I remember the window washing game.[07:59:23] <NathanP> I'd just take a towl and wipe my TV screen.[07:59:25] <NathanP> :p[07:59:45] <helf|laptop> bah, i have to get up in 5 hours[07:59:46] <helf|laptop> night all[07:59:55] <NathanP> Well, there's iMac, iPhone, iPod, iLife, iSight, iPorn...[08:00:03] <NathanP> I swear, Apple has a stake in that.[08:00:09] <NathanP> Night.[08:01:01] <NathanP> Why in the HELL is my nVidia card being registered as an ATI?[08:01:02] *** brrant has quit IRC[08:01:38] <NathanP> This is wrong on so many levels.[08:05:00] <CIA-69> scottmc * r481 /haikuports/trunk/media-libs/ (a52dec/a52dec-0.7.4.bep a52dec): Initial .bep for a52dc[08:05:33] <NathanP> Well, I'm off to stare into a corner.[08:05:40] *** NathanP is now known as NathanP|Away[08:07:11] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[08:07:30] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[08:17:05] *** quietdev has left #haiku[08:25:18] <Devine> boob[08:29:18] *** judgen has joined #haiku[08:33:45] *** jmayfield_ has quit IRC[08:34:01] <fhein> EyeToy was the name of the PS2 camera.. fun idea but worst webcam ever. to get some kind of usage from it I'd have to move every lamp in my apartment to around the TV[08:34:39] <fhein> and remove the paintings on the wall behind me, because the crappy camera thought they were moving every now and then[08:36:39] *** joshc has joined #haiku[08:45:34] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[08:45:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[08:46:22] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[08:54:21] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[08:58:30] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku[09:04:46] *** michail has joined #haiku[09:06:10] *** joshc has quit IRC[09:18:26] *** wildur has quit IRC[09:20:28] *** sprma has joined #haiku[09:24:48] *** HaikUbuntu has joined #haiku[09:25:02] *** ukev has quit IRC[09:25:35] *** michail has quit IRC[09:32:16] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[09:34:30] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[09:35:40] *** farhaven_ is now known as farhaven[09:39:10] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[09:41:10] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[09:47:18] *** michail has joined #haiku[09:48:12] *** Devine has quit IRC[09:56:18] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[09:58:30] *** glootech has joined #haiku[09:59:32] *** sprma has quit IRC[10:07:07] *** cnuke_ is now known as cnuke[10:11:12] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[10:19:36] *** GonoszTopi has joined #haiku[10:20:48] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[10:27:38] *** Grey__ has joined #haiku[10:30:06] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[10:31:17] <Grey__> Hi all! Question about patch debuging: What is the best way to turn on/off my kernel patch on a fly?[10:33:19] *** Sryche has quit IRC[10:33:33] *** HaikuBot has joined #haiku[10:35:14] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[10:35:26] <Grey__> HaikuBot, test[10:40:40] *** Grey__ has left #haiku[10:43:28] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[10:43:52] <HaikuBot> test failed[10:43:58] <HaikuBot> :D[10:48:49] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[11:11:02] *** judgen is now known as judgawa[11:27:07] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[11:30:15] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[11:31:26] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[11:32:24] *** bknoedel has joined #haiku[11:33:13] *** fhein has quit IRC[11:49:02] *** bknoedel has quit IRC[11:50:21] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[11:50:30] *** nutela has joined #haiku[12:02:44] *** fcr has joined #haiku[12:05:34] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[12:09:36] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[12:13:43] *** adamk has joined #haiku[12:15:56] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[12:16:35] *** triplez has quit IRC[12:20:00] *** adamk has quit IRC[12:22:54] *** nutela has quit IRC[12:25:02] *** adamk has joined #haiku[12:27:58] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[12:39:40] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[12:39:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o aldeck[12:41:41] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[12:42:55] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[12:44:15] <Barrett> http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/6085/screenshotr.png[12:44:37] *** michail has quit IRC[12:44:37] <Barrett> any info?[12:44:56] <Barrett> it is a crash of AboutSystem[12:44:56] <HaikuBot> Barrett: hi, when you network preflet will done?[12:45:21] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[12:45:34] <HaikuBot> *your[12:45:52] <HeTo> Barrett: do you run r34006?[12:46:14] <HeTo> and if you don't, look at that commit[12:46:30] <Barrett> HaikuBot, really i don't know..after the ml discussion has not solved anything, and i don't know what should i do[12:47:12] <Barrett> HeTo, haiku-nightly-r33990-x86gcc2-cd.zip[12:47:42] <HaikuBot> Barrett: sad :([12:48:41] <Barrett> HaikuBot, i'm not a great programmer so if nobody help me i cannot continue[12:49:28] <HaikuBot> ok, thanks for info.[12:50:09] <Barrett> HaikuBot, and really is not fair that stippi have also my issues in mind after their hard work for the project[12:50:43] <Barrett> so i don't pretend anything naturally[12:51:03] <Barrett> but i will write on the ml for charity about this : )[12:52:02] *** nutela has joined #haiku[12:52:29] <HaikuBot> ;)[12:52:45] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[12:58:49] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[12:59:23] *** Andrius[] has joined #haiku[12:59:26] *** Andrius has quit IRC[13:01:13] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[13:01:30] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[13:01:59] *** nutela has quit IRC[13:07:08] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[13:08:20] *** Andrius[] is now known as Andrius[13:10:01] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[13:26:03] *** wildur has quit IRC[13:26:36] *** michail has joined #haiku[13:29:13] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[13:32:06] *** nutela has joined #haiku[13:32:31] *** judgawa has quit IRC[13:33:23] *** adamk has quit IRC[13:38:31] *** ukev has joined #haiku[13:41:38] *** nutela1 has joined #haiku[13:42:41] *** nutela2 has joined #haiku[13:43:20] *** nutela1 has quit IRC[13:44:25] <CIA-69> axeld * r34007 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/bfs/ (Inode.cpp kernel_interface.cpp):[13:44:25] <CIA-69> * Only remove the inode from the Volume::RemovedNodes() list when it has gone[13:44:25] <CIA-69> through the VFS.[13:44:25] <CIA-69> * This fixes bug #4942.[13:44:39] *** adamk has joined #haiku[13:46:29] *** wildur has quit IRC[13:52:36] *** nutela has quit IRC[13:53:19] *** raichoo has quit IRC[14:00:52] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[14:02:03] *** armchair_ has quit IRC[14:08:23] <CIA-69> kirilla * r34008 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/mail/MailWindow.cpp: Reverting addition of ellipsis for New Mail Message menu item. It wasn't in line with the intent of the interface guidelines.[14:09:21] *** m0ns0on has joined #haiku[14:10:15] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[14:14:17] *** nutela has joined #haiku[14:16:36] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[14:17:58] *** raichoo has quit IRC[14:25:45] *** nutela2 has quit IRC[14:34:12] *** adamk has quit IRC[14:35:23] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[14:38:03] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[14:44:25] *** nutela1 has joined #haiku[14:49:09] *** aldeck1 has joined #haiku[14:49:54] <HaikuBot> What is it? At bottom left corner ? http://sites.google.com/site/appbeezer/screenshots/From%20AlienSoldier.jpg?attredirects=0[14:51:52] *** hoelzro has joined #haiku[14:52:53] *** nutela has quit IRC[14:53:19] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[14:56:42] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[15:01:44] *** nutela1 has quit IRC[15:03:27] *** nutela has joined #haiku[15:05:12] *** triplez has joined #haiku[15:07:08] *** nutela1 has joined #haiku[15:08:48] *** nutela1 has quit IRC[15:12:04] *** fly-away has joined #haiku[15:14:05] *** dflemstr has joined #haiku[15:14:43] *** YutaY has joined #haiku[15:14:48] <YutaY> hi[15:15:30] <rennj> HaikuBot, looks like launch-em[15:15:43] <YutaY> what kind of software i can install on haiku[15:16:25] <rennj> http://hwww.bebits.com http://www.haikuware.com/[15:16:28] <rennj> grrr[15:16:42] <rennj> YutaY, http://www.bebits.com http://www.haikuware.com/[15:17:24] <YutaY> ok thanks rennj[15:18:16] <rennj> HaikuBot http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA013465/HotLauncher/HotLauncher_e.html i think[15:20:01] <helf> hi rennj[15:20:03] *** fcr has quit IRC[15:20:14] <rennj> yo helf[15:21:01] <rennj> heh HaikuBot lnlauncher is right in the deskbar shot[15:21:17] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[15:22:42] *** nutela has quit IRC[15:23:17] *** YutaY has left #haiku[15:26:10] *** michaelvo has joined #haiku[15:26:10] *** HaikUbuntu has quit IRC[15:27:48] <mmadia> hi michaelvo[15:28:15] <CIA-69> kirilla * r34009 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Translation to Swedish.[15:38:25] *** michaelvo has quit IRC[15:41:58] *** brrant has joined #haiku[15:42:14] <helf> grr[15:42:33] <helf> The ignorance of history on OSN is annoying bad[15:45:44] <adamk_> Yeah, but that's nothing new.[15:46:40] <helf> *annoyingly[15:46:43] <helf> yeah, I know.[15:46:50] <helf> Just pains me to see some of the misinformation[15:47:57] <surrounder> what article ?[15:49:24] <helf> Microsoft Manager: We Copied the Mac OS X Look-and-Feel[15:49:31] <helf> http://www.osnews.com/permalink?394277[15:49:36] <helf> my first comment...[15:52:47] *** michail has quit IRC[15:53:28] *** michail has joined #haiku[16:12:50] *** GeneralMaximus has joined #haiku[16:12:53] *** hoelzro_ has joined #haiku[16:12:57] <GeneralMaximus> evening :)[16:13:07] <umccullough> morning[16:13:15] <GeneralMaximus> namaste umccullough :)[16:14:03] *** hoelzro has quit IRC[16:15:10] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[16:15:19] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[16:21:18] *** GeneralMaximus has quit IRC[16:24:16] *** zizban has joined #haiku[16:24:32] *** michail has quit IRC[16:26:39] *** joshc has joined #haiku[16:29:53] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[16:33:32] *** qyellow has joined #haiku[16:34:20] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[16:38:11] <MrSunshine> GAAH I WANT A HAIKU COMPUTER NOW1[16:43:48] *** thotypous has quit IRC[16:43:54] *** haiku has joined #haiku[16:45:15] <zizban> I have one :)[16:45:29] <zizban> anyone know of a good sound recording app?[16:45:34] <zizban> besides the built in one?[16:45:51] <haiku> audacity?![16:46:03] <haiku> is it ported[16:46:10] <aldeck> BeAE[16:46:19] <StreaK|ON> Mr Sunshine, a russian company was interested in adding a haikuOS to its catalogue [ and sell it binded with laptops ] few month ago [ it was written in freelist somewhere ][16:46:40] <zizban> okmay, lemme check those[16:46:50] <zizban> I have to record something for our radio station[16:47:16] <haiku> so far, I have been unable to run BeOS apps or those ported to Haiku itself.[16:47:19] <MrSunshine> StreaK|ON, i mean i need a computer that i can instal haiku on .. not a brand new computer :P[16:47:41] <haiku> I wanted VLC, but it would not run[16:47:49] <zizban> VLC runs[16:47:57] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[16:47:57] <zizban> use the R5 version[16:47:57] <haiku> not on my VM[16:48:10] <zizban> pfft, real men run on real hardware[16:48:32] <zizban> I am running Haiku on a Dell Inspiron I got on ebay for $300[16:48:44] <haiku> I installed the Alpha 1 and then all of the gcc2 hybrid nightly builds, but no joy[16:49:04] <haiku> none of the apps would work[16:49:11] <StreaK|ON> haiku, some time ago i've started a bigger project to sort out every app from beos that its working on haiku. I'll release it as [very] big package[16:49:42] <StreaK|ON> maybe in mid december[16:49:49] <zizban> that'd be great[16:50:13] <StreaK|ON> already have sorted about 6gb of data[16:50:15] <StreaK|ON> :)[16:50:34] <StreaK|ON> maybe half of it works on haiku :)[16:50:37] <mmadia> StreaK|ON : are you logging this data as a spreadsheet or anything?[16:50:40] <haiku> some of these apps are listed in http://haiku-files.org/files/optional-packages/[16:50:48] <StreaK|ON> no, sorting in folders[16:50:56] <mmadia> the non-working software would be of most use to the developers.[16:51:00] <StreaK|ON> similar to haikuware folders[16:51:22] <StreaK|ON> non working apps are put in simple [ not-workin ] directory[16:51:35] <StreaK|ON> and working ones are sorted in folders[16:51:55] <umccullough> i'd like to mirror that someday ;)[16:52:01] <StreaK|ON> unfortunately im not collecting drivers [ because i cant test it ][16:52:04] <MrSunshine> ive got 3 mobos laying around, and everything for them .. but NONE of them will start :/[16:52:18] <MrSunshine> they worked when i put them to sleep a long time ago[16:52:35] <umccullough> probably bad caps[16:52:40] <MrSunshine> aye[16:52:43] <MrSunshine> and it sucks[16:52:47] <MrSunshine> as its good mobos[16:52:51] <MrSunshine> and cpus[16:53:15] <umccullough> i've got an old Mac LCIII that has bad caps - one day i tried to fire it up and blackness[16:53:23] <umccullough> looked at the mobo and the caps leaked out everywhere[16:53:32] <MrSunshine> umccullough, no caps leaking tho[16:53:37] <haiku> Why don't the device makers get together and decide to embedd the drivers in a flash chip on the device itself, easily accessable by the bios, and the OS?[16:53:49] <haiku> a universal driver[16:54:07] <umccullough> heh, universal driver initiatives have mostly all failed[16:54:19] <umccullough> and most of the time, they require recompile per OS[16:54:35] <drano> haiku: that is a completely impractical solution[16:54:37] <haiku> all the os needs is a module to interface with the driver object[16:54:37] <StreaK|ON> btw, if anyone would like to help with this archive i'would be gratefull .. looking for archives/zip's that are dead on bebits.com[16:54:43] <haiku> sounds simple though[16:54:47] <drano> it isn't[16:55:13] <drano> the driver models for various operating systems differ substantially[16:55:15] <umccullough> drano, there are things like VESA, after all - and look how great that is, performance sucks[16:55:32] <umccullough> most "simplified" models like that end up sucking[16:55:38] <drano> and reducing all of them to a common interface would water them all down[16:55:49] <haiku> have a different interpreter module for every OS, but keep the driver the same.[16:55:57] <umccullough> you lose specialized high performance functionality[16:55:58] <drano> that doesn't make any sense[16:56:29] <drano> it would only make sense for things that have common functionality across all platforms[16:56:33] <drano> like, say... usb hard drives[16:56:52] <drano> but since it's already common, it's already implemented everywhere, and there's no need for drivers in the first place[16:56:56] <haiku> you are right there[16:56:57] <umccullough> and even then, a custom feature like special encryption supported by the drive would still require a custom driver[16:57:27] <umccullough> so, once you leave the "mass storage" feature list, you end up with custom drives :([16:57:28] <umccullough> drivers[16:58:02] <umccullough> it's a free market - device makers innovate (supposedly) and they have to write custom drivers to support their devices[16:58:18] <umccullough> consumers buy it cuz it's "the new thing"[16:58:42] <haiku> well, Linux kernel has a great hardware support, why not port the drivers to Haiku?[16:59:16] <haiku> by looking at the code, you can tell how to make a native driver[16:59:41] <adamk_> The license is incompatible.[16:59:52] <adamk_> However, FreeBSD supports probably 99% of the same hardware.[17:00:09] <haiku> perhaps not port, but rewrite based on the Linux driver[17:00:32] <adamk_> Why do that if you can actually port the FreeBSD driver?[17:00:42] <haiku> the GPL is not compatible with Haiku's license?[17:01:06] <aldeck> haiku: that's what's done already[17:01:37] <aldeck> especially for special workaround with certain devices[17:02:05] <haiku> FreeBSD is pretty cool[17:02:22] <haiku> but hard to install[17:02:27] <haiku> lol[17:02:39] <surrounder> not really :P[17:03:10] <haiku> not as bad is it "used" to be, eh?[17:03:10] *** The123king has joined #haiku[17:03:44] <surrounder> never had any issues with it really[17:04:00] <surrounder> just follow the menu's, how hard can it be ? :P[17:04:54] <zizban> I never found it hard to install[17:05:00] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[17:05:11] <zizban> NetBSD through me a curve the first time[17:05:14] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[17:05:26] <zizban> or threw[17:05:29] <haiku> lol[17:06:17] *** haiku has quit IRC[17:06:57] <zizban> I haven't tried OpenBSD. Just looks like a non-fun BSD[17:19:22] <surrounder> love it on our firewalls[17:19:59] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[17:20:39] *** The123king has quit IRC[17:23:04] *** The123king has joined #haiku[17:23:23] *** amuck_ has joined #haiku[17:25:16] <zizban> That's about what it is good for[17:28:45] *** hoelzro_ is now known as hoelzro[17:31:42] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[17:31:55] *** aldeck1 has quit IRC[17:45:24] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[17:51:10] *** demetrio has joined #haiku[17:53:36] *** kitallis has quit IRC[17:57:14] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[18:04:52] *** broadcast has joined #haiku[18:07:37] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[18:09:28] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[18:11:44] *** gobgob has quit IRC[18:14:47] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:32:53] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[18:41:01] *** [r4]_ has joined #haiku[18:41:14] *** skarmiglione has joined #haiku[18:45:33] *** miqlas has quit IRC[18:45:49] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[18:48:25] *** gtaw has joined #haiku[18:48:26] *** luroh has joined #haiku[18:51:37] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[18:51:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[18:52:57] <m0ns00n> Man, developing guis in C++ for haiku is a breeze[18:53:44] <gtaw> So easy a caveman could do it?[18:54:43] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[18:59:05] <zizban> GUIs are easy its making them do something useful that throws me ;P[18:59:51] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[19:01:34] *** MYOB has joined #haiku[19:02:47] *** raichoo has quit IRC[19:03:12] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[19:03:39] *** raichoo has quit IRC[19:04:01] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[19:04:42] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[19:05:40] *** MYOB has quit IRC[19:07:47] <JonathanThompson> Details, details, zizban :P[19:08:10] *** broadcast has quit IRC[19:08:43] * tqh imagines zizban has thousands of gui's but don't know what to use them for.[19:09:15] <JonathanThompson> They're all pretty faces on blobs :P[19:11:05] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[19:17:03] *** sprma has joined #haiku[19:17:27] *** gtaw has quit IRC[19:20:54] *** aljen has joined #haiku[19:21:05] *** pulkomandy has joined #haiku[19:21:07] <aljen> hey[19:21:25] <HaikuBot> hi[19:21:39] <HaikuBot> What news about Gallium?[19:22:22] <aljen> none, didn't have time lately :/[19:22:27] *** Captain_Pike has joined #haiku[19:22:32] <MrSunshine> you got a new gf or someting?[19:22:39] <MrSunshine> you havent had time at all the latest months[19:22:44] <MrSunshine> =)[19:22:50] <aljen> work hehe[19:23:10] <JonathanThompson> girl/work, either one, both four-letter words :P[19:23:26] <aljen> but i managed to port dmd D compiler to haiku and phobos rountime last week in few hours :)[19:23:40] <aljen> s/rountime/runtime[19:23:51] <tqh> nice[19:23:57] <HaikuBot> that cool[19:24:22] <aljen> i'll try to send patches mainstream in the weekend :)[19:24:22] <MrSunshine> aljen, dmd d compiler?[19:24:24] <HaikuBot> And it works ?[19:24:26] <MrSunshine> its closed source so how? :P[19:24:26] <aljen> yep[19:24:34] <MrSunshine> the backend is open[19:24:35] <aljen> nope, it's open sourced since a few months[19:24:36] <MrSunshine> not the source[19:24:40] <MrSunshine> it was?[19:24:48] <aljen> dsource.org/projects/dmd[19:24:50] <MrSunshine> still ldc kicks its buttzors :P[19:24:54] <aljen> dsource.org/projects/phobos ;d[19:25:13] <MrSunshine> but phobos sucks[19:25:16] <MrSunshine> tango ..[19:25:27] * mmadia coughs, pacman patch[19:25:42] * JonathanThompson hands mmadia a digital lozenge[19:25:46] <aljen> MrSunshine: tango is next step, i needed to test dmd on something first :P[19:26:06] <MrSunshine> i have an old port of tango on a disk[19:26:13] <MrSunshine> couldnt get networking working tho[19:26:22] <MrSunshine> and its so old im quite sure its very outdated by now[19:27:17] <aljen> put some patches online if you can :)[19:27:24] <aljen> mmadia: oops, i forgot ;d[19:30:49] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[19:32:57] *** sheep has joined #haiku[19:33:39] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[19:33:54] *** lstarnes has quit IRC[19:34:11] *** sheep is now known as lstarnes[19:35:28] *** sprma has quit IRC[19:37:46] *** sprma has joined #haiku[19:44:39] *** miqlas has quit IRC[19:44:47] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[19:44:52] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[19:46:21] * JonathanThompson hates leaf-blowers with a passion[19:48:00] <zizban> snort[19:48:34] <JonathanThompson> I'm not convinced they're really any faster than someone with a rake who isn't shluffing off, and they're far noisier.[19:48:54] <JonathanThompson> It also doesn't help I'm currently living in a badly-designed, cheap apartment at the moment.[19:53:08] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[19:53:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[19:54:13] *** leszek has joined #haiku[19:54:14] *** zizban has quit IRC[19:54:32] <leszek> hi[19:55:44] *** michaelvo has joined #haiku[19:58:22] <AlienSoldier> JonathanThompson when they blow thy are faster, but when they suck, well, they suck :)[19:58:41] <helf> like your mom[19:58:45] * helf giggles[19:58:53] <JonathanThompson> Consider, though, AlienSoldier: chances are slim you'll be blowing dry leaves in this area during the fall ;)[19:59:17] <JonathanThompson> I can't remember the last day we went without rain.[19:59:42] <JonathanThompson> (Tis the season to be raining... fa la la la la, la la la la)[20:00:07] <helf> we have a dry season and a rainy season here[20:00:19] <Advant_> JonathanThompson: blower much faster than raking :)[20:00:34] <helf> Advant_, electric leaf blowers = best way to blow out computers[20:00:35] <leszek> ZevenOS 2.0 is ready, if someone wants to help seeding here is the torrent: http://www.zevenos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/ZevenOS-20.torrent, official announcement is next week[20:00:42] * JonathanThompson isn't convinced that's true with wet leaves[20:00:51] <helf> leszek, what is that?[20:01:03] <AlienSoldier> they need to be completley dry[20:01:09] <leszek> http://www.zevenos.com[20:01:15] <JonathanThompson> Good luck with that in the Seattle area, AlienSoldier :P[20:01:19] <Advant_> JonathanThompson: not even worth raking wet leaves[20:01:24] <Advant_> need to let stuff dry out[20:01:30] <leszek> linux distro with the touch of beos[20:01:35] *** kitallis has quit IRC[20:01:49] <AlienSoldier> JonathanThompson, then she just have to strap a big hair dryer on top of the blower :)[20:01:53] <JonathanThompson> Well, that's a funny thought, Advant_ : if you wait for them to dry out, it'll be summer again in this area before that happens :P[20:02:07] <Advant_> JonathanThompson: where you at Thailand :P[20:02:11] <JonathanThompson> That's how it is here.[20:02:19] <helf> well that is kinda neat in a weird way[20:02:19] <JonathanThompson> Seattle area, if you're paying attention :P[20:02:21] <AlienSoldier> anyway, i thiunk leave ae better on the ground[20:02:28] <Advant_> nah just woke up[20:02:49] <JonathanThompson> It doesn't always rain heavily, but it's an unusual day with no rain.[20:02:54] <JonathanThompson> (During the fall/winter)[20:02:59] <Advant_> like someone is constantly spitting on you? :)[20:03:02] <helf> leszek, downloading it. ill seed it from work[20:03:08] <JonathanThompson> That's one way to express it :D[20:03:32] <JonathanThompson> Though in the past couple of weeks, it's been heavier than that a lot of the time.[20:03:34] <Advant_> I've yet to see/hear thunder and lightning in NZ[20:03:44] <helf> wow[20:03:47] <helf> i would miss that[20:03:47] <leszek> helf: nice ;)[20:03:50] <helf> i adore thunderstorms[20:04:00] <JonathanThompson> I've heard thunder and seen lightning in the past week or two a couple times or so, and that's rare for this area, actually.[20:04:13] <JonathanThompson> How long have you been in NZ, Advant_ ?[20:04:21] <Advant_> 11months now[20:04:38] <Advant_> helf, yeah makes rain worth it, but without that you are just wet now[20:04:52] <JonathanThompson> There's one thing I've seen here far more frequently than in Michigan or Indiana (I grew up in Michigan) and that's rainbows.[20:05:06] <helf> Advant_, liking NZ? its freaking gorgeous country[20:05:18] <JonathanThompson> I suppose it fits, if you know the leanings of a lot of the outspoken people in the area ;)[20:05:51] <Advant_> helf: food, food is not as good. I'm skinner than I'v'e been in a long time. All beef is grass fed, not much fast food options[20:06:15] <CIA-69> bonefish * r34010 /haiku/trunk/ (7 files in 4 dirs):[20:06:15] <CIA-69> Implemented POSIX.1-2008 functions unlinkat(), symlinkat(), mkdirat(),[20:06:15] <CIA-69> utimensat(), and futimens().[20:06:40] <JonathanThompson> Advant_: that's a problem, how? :P[20:06:56] <Advant_> meat tastes gamey[20:07:04] <Advant_> like eatting venison[20:07:08] <AlienSoldier> JonathanThompson looked at google Go language? i am not sold so far on it[20:07:13] * JonathanThompson hasn't had venison in a long while[20:07:29] <JonathanThompson> I've read some of the articles on it, but not really investigated it.[20:08:00] <JonathanThompson> I already have too many other languages I need to try to get competence in before I commit myself to a Google-specific monstrosity.[20:08:19] <JonathanThompson> Say, JavaScript, Objective-C, Python, Ruby....[20:08:23] *** Logic has joined #haiku[20:08:27] <JonathanThompson> And perhaps PHP just in case ;)[20:08:43] <AlienSoldier> we can't learn them all :)[20:08:54] <JonathanThompson> All those languages I just mentioned I could get jobs developing in, if I have enough experience: Go? Where?[20:09:07] <AlienSoldier> i plan to give a try at rebol 3 and that will be it for a while[20:09:36] <AlienSoldier> JonathanThompson probably at google :)[20:09:36] <Advant_> helf: i'm going to miss out on good southern thanksgiving as well[20:09:43] <JonathanThompson> Oh, and the details of XML/XHTML, etc...[20:10:12] <JonathanThompson> Ah, but what good would that do me, AlienSoldier ? Google is too damned selective about an arbitrary piece of paper.[20:14:06] *** Maico has left #haiku[20:14:44] *** expensivelesbian has joined #haiku[20:17:22] *** fhein has joined #haiku[20:18:48] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[20:19:16] *** MYOB has joined #haiku[20:22:42] <michaelvo> someone knows why haiku-files.org are so slow??[20:23:19] <MYOB> has anyone on a gcc4hybrid updated to a rev beyond that BSoundPlayer fix?[20:28:29] *** dru_ has joined #haiku[20:28:52] *** NathanP|Away is now known as NathanP[20:30:19] <NathanP> JonathanThompson, "Go? Where?" > I suppose Google. :p[20:30:43] <JonathanThompson> Read my comments :P[20:30:54] <JonathanThompson> I don't have the piece of paper they're looking for.[20:30:56] <NathanP> Arbitrary is a strong word. :p[20:31:30] <JonathanThompson> Let me say this: I've been rejected before, clearly, by Google purely for my formal educational background.[20:31:31] *** nutela has joined #haiku[20:31:43] <mmadia> MYOB any particular reason for asking?[20:31:51] <NathanP> You actually applied for a job at Google?[20:32:03] <JonathanThompson> Back in 2006, via a member of the community that works for them.[20:32:15] <JonathanThompson> They have offices in the area.[20:32:19] <NathanP> Ahahaha! You don't actually Apply for a job, JonathanThompson.[20:32:33] <NathanP> Google hires trained actors to Pretend they are doing a job![20:32:37] <JonathanThompson> He submitted my resume through their channels, NathanP .[20:32:52] *** nutela has quit IRC[20:32:55] <NathanP> He gave you false hope then.[20:33:01] <JonathanThompson> So, that's my problem: I'm not an actor, but someone that actually codes? WIshed I'd known that sooner, then :P[20:34:09] *** genkie has joined #haiku[20:36:16] *** skarmiglione has left #haiku[20:36:18] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[20:37:32] <MYOB> mmadia cause VLC doesn't give sound on old gcc4hybrids[20:37:39] <MYOB> so I'm *hoping* that fixed it[20:38:03] <mmadia> does the version matter?[20:38:09] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[20:38:12] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[20:38:16] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[20:38:56] <mmadia> ... as in the current 'd' or your newer 'i' package[20:40:30] <pulkomandy> mh... Haiku seems not to work in virtualbox[20:41:05] <NathanP> How so?[20:41:31] <pulkomandy> i get "FATAL: No bootable medium found! System halted."[20:41:43] <MYOB> mmadia any VLC[20:41:50] <pulkomandy> (this is on an image I just built)[20:42:49] <mmadia> if no one else tries, i could install gcc4hybrid later tonight... i'm in a good grove right now though[20:44:31] <MYOB> good grove?[20:45:02] <mmadia> productivity wise.[20:45:31] <MYOB> oh right[20:49:55] *** expensivelesbian has quit IRC[20:50:01] *** expensivelesbian has joined #haiku[20:52:40] <expensivelesbian> hi, is there some sort of trick to getting working networking with Haiku alpha and VirtualBox?[20:53:45] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[20:53:45] <luroh> expensivelesbian: iirc, you need to select some other chipset than the default one[20:53:58] <expensivelesbian> yeah, did that, and then NAT[20:54:07] <luroh> hm[20:54:09] <expensivelesbian> it goes off to connect, then times out[20:54:13] <luroh> oh[20:54:36] <mmadia> have you tried a static ip?[20:54:55] <expensivelesbian> tried, but tbh, not really sure what the settings should be[20:56:00] <mmadia> in Preferences-->Network, 192.168.1.102 should work w/most routers.[20:56:17] <luroh> ipro1000 mt desktop <-- i think that's the one[20:56:44] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[20:58:23] <Hugen> gnash with sound on Haiku gcc2h work great[20:58:24] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[20:58:43] <Hugen> mayhem[20:59:01] <helf> you MYOB[20:59:45] <expensivelesbian> nope, no such luck. Oh well[21:01:17] <expensivelesbian> I'm about to reinstall to a new HD, so I have a partition put to one side to do this without recourse to VMs. Hopefully more success there[21:02:01] <luroh> hopefully so. i'll build and check anyway[21:02:14] <luroh> it used to work at some point, i think[21:06:31] <MYOB> helf ?[21:06:55] <MYOB> expensivelesbian long time no see[21:07:20] <helf> i meant "yo"[21:07:37] <MYOB> oh right... hi then[21:07:46] <MYOB> "you" seemed very accusatory ;)[21:08:07] <luroh> bah, can't boot haiku in virtualbox, same error as pulkomandy earlier[21:08:20] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[21:08:25] <pulkomandy> ah, it's a real bug then[21:08:41] <luroh> using a .vmdk here[21:09:05] <luroh> perhaps a raw image works better[21:09:14] <pulkomandy> didn't try that[21:09:38] <luroh> i'm going to try that now[21:11:34] *** xvedejas has joined #haiku[21:11:50] <Hugen> brb[21:11:55] *** Hugen has quit IRC[21:12:37] <pulkomandy> luroh, tell me how it goes[21:12:42] <luroh> will do[21:12:43] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[21:12:55] *** HaikuBot has quit IRC[21:13:34] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[21:15:36] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[21:15:46] <Hugen> re[21:15:52] <luroh> pulkomandy: no, same result[21:16:07] <luroh> "could not read..."[21:16:38] *** brrant has quit IRC[21:16:57] <luroh> pulkomandy: no wait, sorry[21:17:13] <luroh> i forgot to add the disk, it does actually work now[21:17:21] *** brrant has joined #haiku[21:17:27] *** Arden has joined #haiku[21:17:34] <pulkomandy> ok, let's try that then[21:17:40] <luroh> VBoxManage convertfromraw -format VDI haiku.image haiku.vdi[21:17:44] <pulkomandy> it doesn't let me use a regular haiku.image file[21:17:52] <pulkomandy> do i have to rename it to .raw or something ?[21:18:05] <luroh> run the command i pasted[21:18:21] *** Arden is now known as PathagenX[21:18:29] <pulkomandy> ah ok thanks :)[21:18:39] <luroh> np[21:18:54] *** PathagenX has quit IRC[21:19:11] *** PathagenX has joined #haiku[21:19:41] <luroh> expensivelesbian: fwiw, network seems to work here[21:19:50] *** phalax has joined #haiku[21:19:56] *** adamk has joined #haiku[21:20:22] *** PathagenX has quit IRC[21:20:30] <Captain_Pike> After I updated VirtualBox yesterday, I was no longer able to boot the vm Haiku HDD images downloaded from the Haiku site. However, booting the cd images works. Also, after installing to a virtual hdd from the iso, the virtual hdd does boot.[21:20:46] *** PathagenX has joined #haiku[21:20:58] <pulkomandy> Captain_Pike, yes we just noticed that[21:21:04] <CIA-69> korli * r34011 /haiku/vendor/bash/current/ (693 files in 26 dirs): update to bash-4.0[21:21:16] <pulkomandy> converting a raw image from haiku buildsystem to .vdi format works[21:21:58] *** expensivelesbian has quit IRC[21:22:04] <CIA-69> korli * r34012 /haiku/vendor/bash/4.0/: tagging bash 4.0[21:22:41] <mmadia> woo![21:23:18] <mmu_man> hmm bash bash bash :)[21:23:23] <JonathanThompson> I know someone will be very happy to see bash 4,0 get added :P[21:23:27] <JonathanThompson> 4.0[21:23:28] <mmu_man> I should really svn add zsh :p[21:24:13] <luroh> Captain_Pike, try the following command, it worked here: VBoxManage convertfromraw -format VDI haiku.image haiku.vdi[21:24:50] <luroh> could be the latest vbox acting up, as opposed to an actual regression in haiku[21:25:42] *** genkie has quit IRC[21:27:40] <CIA-69> pulkomandy * r34013 /haiku/trunk/ (7 files in 2 dirs):[21:27:40] *** miqlas has quit IRC[21:29:03] <Captain_Pike> Ok, will try now.[21:29:06] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[21:30:29] *** michaelvo has quit IRC[21:34:44] *** miqlas has quit IRC[21:35:29] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[21:42:50] <Captain_Pike> luroh, VBoxManage convertfromraw works here too (Windows Vista)[21:43:03] <luroh> ah, great[21:43:18] <pulkomandy> someone should probably report a bug on trac now ...[21:45:06] *** miqlas has quit IRC[21:45:46] *** [r4]_ has quit IRC[21:46:31] <luroh> pulkomandy: you wanna do that, or shall i?[21:48:03] *** phalax has quit IRC[21:48:40] <pulkomandy> luroh, go for it, i have to prepare a math exam right now :)[21:48:54] <luroh> ok, will do. good luck :)[21:49:15] <PathagenX> Hey guys. What's news?[21:52:20] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[21:54:22] *** tqh has quit IRC[21:55:13] *** prOSy has joined #haiku[21:55:26] <JonathanThompson> Old is news![21:56:09] *** tqh has joined #haiku[22:03:32] <Hugen> brb[22:03:40] *** Hugen has quit IRC[22:04:00] *** SuPeRhOmEm has joined #haiku[22:04:10] *** fhein has quit IRC[22:04:47] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[22:05:02] *** mortuosplango has joined #haiku[22:05:29] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[22:05:33] <DraX> new thinkpad \o/[22:05:35] <DraX> \o/[22:05:51] <pulkomandy> :)[22:05:52] <AlienSoldier> what was the name of the windows app that is just like guido?[22:07:08] <AlienSoldier> well, it seem it's also guido :)[22:09:08] *** toxxy has joined #haiku[22:09:48] *** toxxy has left #haiku[22:11:10] *** demetrio has quit IRC[22:16:16] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[22:16:23] <StreaK|ON> re[22:17:02] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[22:17:26] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:19:11] *** mortuosplango has quit IRC[22:19:39] *** mortuosplango has joined #haiku[22:19:47] <StreaK|ON> ZipOne Reloaded in the making.. -> http://omploader.org/vMnI3ZQ[22:20:18] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[22:21:14] <NathanP> You make me a happy man with that link, StreaK|ON.[22:22:17] <StreaK|ON> Glad to hear it NathanP ..[22:22:30] *** tqh has joined #haiku[22:23:15] <StreaK|ON> i miss good-old-zipone [ now its almost impossible to find recent ver of this excellent tool ][22:23:19] * JonathanThompson unleashes a dance hall girl jumping out of a Haiku cake to make NathanP so happy he could burst in some manner[22:24:12] <NathanP> That wouldn't make me happy, JonathanThompson.[22:24:23] <NathanP> It would only manage to piss me off.[22:24:26] <JonathanThompson> What if she came complete with Haiku drivers???[22:24:54] <pulkomandy> mh[22:25:14] * pulkomandy wonders why lenovo france sells thinkpad at twice the price and does not allow you to customize anything[22:25:15] <NathanP> Recompiled for Zeta?[22:25:24] <pulkomandy> what if I want a 9-cell battery ?[22:25:27] <NathanP> pulkomandy, because it's Lenovo.[22:25:32] <CIA-69> tqh * r34014 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/acpi/oshaiku.c: Use B_SPINLOCK_INITIALIZER to initialize spinlock.[22:25:33] <StreaK|ON> ..and "varranty void if removed" sticker on her bra ?[22:26:14] <NathanP> I thought that void if removed part was from the SVN feed for a moment.[22:26:19] <NathanP> I was about to say...[22:26:24] <pulkomandy> I can order on the US website as I have some money left on my summer of code card, but the US site won't let me enter my french address[22:27:24] <NathanP> Why do you even want a Lenovo machine, may I ask?[22:28:05] <pulkomandy> I want something solid, I bought a Dell 1 year ago and it's already falling apart[22:28:12] <JonathanThompson> pulkomandy: sucks to be you.[22:28:16] <MrSunshine> aljen, got no computer that can access SATA disks atm :/[22:28:29] <pulkomandy> broken touchpad buttons, and keys leaving marks on the screen when I put it in my backpack[22:28:32] <NathanP> I didn't know Lenovo's were solid.[22:28:52] <pulkomandy> Thinkpad are made with a metal cover, not plastic like most others[22:29:06] <NathanP> Aye, but it ain't the same as the old days.[22:29:22] <pulkomandy> yes I know, unfortunately :([22:29:56] <NathanP> I should make my own laptop and have it's case be Styrofoam.[22:30:02] <JonathanThompson> Ah, bummer: Dollhouse goes away after 13 episodes for the second season :([22:30:10] <HeTo> pulkomandy: keys will leave fingerprints on the screen even on Thinkpads[22:30:15] <JonathanThompson> That will break, too, NathanP ![22:30:24] <NathanP> But it will be cooler, JonathanThompson.[22:30:31] <JonathanThompson> Or warmer, depending.[22:30:40] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[22:30:40] <JonathanThompson> (Better thermal insulation)[22:30:55] <NathanP> (And easier to overheat it to hell and back?)[22:30:57] <HeTo> or at least mine does (T40p), and the screen lid is fully plastic on it, too[22:31:01] <NathanP> I love roasted SSD's.[22:31:04] <pulkomandy> HeTo, well then... let's remove the keyboard :D[22:31:17] * JonathanThompson is glad NathanP doesn't design PCs[22:31:33] <NathanP> You know Dell would hire me in an instant.[22:31:34] <HeTo> pulkomandy: well my old Compaq laptop has a good solution for that, it pushes the keys down as you close the lid[22:31:40] <NathanP> They need some inspiration.[22:31:44] <JonathanThompson> Is that a nuclear reactor in a case you're carrying, or are you just happy to see me???[22:31:44] <NathanP> The Styro, from Dell.[22:31:57] <NathanP> No, it's a nuke.[22:32:01] *** qyellow has quit IRC[22:32:12] * JonathanThompson sings, "The Final Meltdown" to celebrate NathanP's revolutionary design[22:32:40] <NathanP> I should purchase scrap metal from a nuclear warhead and make a PC case out of it.[22:34:01] <JonathanThompson> Just don't hold it too close to your nads ;)[22:34:21] * JonathanThompson imagines a bunch of microNathanP's running around on 3 legs[22:34:45] *** oco has joined #haiku[22:34:53] <pulkomandy> HeTo, the X301 seems to have a carbon fiber case[22:35:08] <pulkomandy> that's not plastic but i don't know if it's better[22:35:18] <NathanP> What about the Next cube.[22:35:29] <JonathanThompson> That's magnesium, isn't it?[22:35:30] <NathanP> It had Magnesium, if I recalled.[22:35:48] <NathanP> Yes, it's a surface no one cares about until Job mentions it.[22:35:54] <NathanP> "Hey, want a magnesium case?"[22:35:58] <NathanP> "What the hell is that?"[22:36:10] <NathanP> "Hey, Steve Jobs unvield a new magnesium case!"[22:36:14] * JonathanThompson wonders why magnesium was chosen[22:36:16] <pulkomandy> NathanP, thinkpad are made with magnesium too[22:36:18] <NathanP> "Holy, crap! We gotta' get one!"[22:36:22] <pulkomandy> but now it's only the bottom part[22:36:35] <NathanP> Eh, it's Lenovo.[22:36:47] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[22:42:16] *** MrSunshine_ has joined #haiku[22:49:22] *** hoelzro has quit IRC[22:52:01] *** leszek has quit IRC[22:55:51] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[22:55:53] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[22:57:38] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[23:00:27] *** Logic has quit IRC[23:01:44] *** prOSy has quit IRC[23:02:26] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[23:04:34] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:04:44] *** doc is now known as Guest14580[23:05:34] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[23:05:59] *** cb88 has joined #haiku[23:06:16] *** Sryche has joined #haiku[23:09:51] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[23:10:14] *** cb88 has quit IRC[23:12:06] *** petterhj has quit IRC[23:12:35] *** NathanP2 has joined #Haiku[23:12:53] <NathanP2> Alas, ZevenOS 2.0 is nice and fast.[23:13:22] *** pulkomandy has quit IRC[23:14:21] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[23:17:39] *** NathanP2 has quit IRC[23:17:50] *** cb88 has joined #haiku[23:20:58] *** Andrius has quit IRC[23:23:37] <NathanP> Going to the store for Floppy's, anyone want anything?[23:23:54] <kallisti6> a floppy drive.[23:24:21] *** dru_ has quit IRC[23:24:30] *** kallisti6 is now known as kallistyi5[23:24:49] <NathanP> I'm not sure they sell those.[23:24:50] *** kallistyi5 is now known as kallisti5[23:24:55] <kallisti5> :([23:25:11] <NathanP> Anyways, I'm putting ZevenOS on thing machine now.[23:25:29] <NathanP> I'll let you all know how 2.0 does on real hardware in half an hour. :)[23:25:38] <NathanP> (Not that you care.)[23:26:03] *** dru_ has joined #haiku[23:26:22] *** wildur has quit IRC[23:29:08] <NathanP> Hmm...[23:29:25] <NathanP> For some reason Burnproof under Ubuntu 9.10 causes corruption allot.[23:29:27] *** cb88 has quit IRC[23:32:07] <NathanP> Time to jump the shark. Later folks.[23:32:29] *** NathanP has quit IRC[23:33:35] *** kaoron has joined #haiku[23:34:28] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[23:34:47] *** Hugen has quit IRC[23:35:20] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[23:35:50] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[23:37:33] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:38:52] <kaoron> Hi folks ! Newbie on haiku can't manage to get networking up. Is there any manual more complete than the preferences>network page of the user guide ?[23:41:49] <luroh> kaoron: not to my knowledge, there isn't. how far do you get?[23:43:09] *** dflemstr has quit IRC[23:43:55] <kaoron> Hmmm, quite don't know at all. /dev/net/ contains only syskonnect, don't know if it represents any working device. How can I tell ?[23:44:34] <luroh> try typing 'listdev' in a terminal window[23:46:34] <kaoron> Ethernet controller spotted[23:46:50] <luroh> aha[23:47:09] *** binaryimpulse has joined #haiku[23:47:10] <kaoron> vendor 11ab; dev 4320[23:47:18] * luroh googles[23:47:30] <Captain_Pike> kaoron, are you in VirtualBox?[23:47:44] <kaoron> Captain_Pike: nope, hard install[23:48:51] *** gobgob has joined #haiku[23:49:38] <luroh> kaoron: some Marvell gigabit ethernet controller, should work, i think[23:50:06] <luroh> let me boot up a box here...[23:51:27] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[23:51:47] <kaoron> Wait, wait... did you do anything magic ? Didn't work 5 minutes ago, now pings correctly and google shows up.[23:52:03] <kaoron> I just did not do anything Oo[23:52:10] <luroh> that's odd[23:52:31] <Captain_Pike> Poop... Gmail doesn't seem able to send attatchments under BeZilla :( I really wish we had a GUI-based FTP pogram.[23:52:35] <luroh> usually it's the other way around, things work for a while and then don't :)[23:52:39] <kaoron> Hmmm... maybe dhcp mess[23:52:47] <luroh> could be[23:54:08] <kaoron> Thank you by the way. If theres anything wrong, I'll come and request your magic again :D[23:54:32] <mmadia> Captain_Pike : what goes wrong?[23:55:08] <mmadia> i've noticed that pressing Cmd-D inside BeZilla's file panel causes it to lock up