November 10, 2009 
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November 10, 2009 [00:00:58] *** jmayfield has joined #haiku[00:02:46] <jmayfield> hi[00:02:52] <CIA-69> kirilla * r33970 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/backgrounds/ (4 files): Localization. I believe it to be correct but for some reason Backgrounds crashes on startup. Enjoy\![00:04:01] <kirilla> hi jmayfield[00:05:25] <CaptainPike> How are you guys dealing with the fixed size of the nightly vmware disk images? Are you resizing them or making separate storage disk images?[00:05:45] *** noisetonepause has joined #haiku[00:06:09] <kirilla> not using vmware myself[00:06:23] <mmadia> http://haiku-files.org/files/blank-bfs/blank-bfs-2048mb.vmdk[00:06:52] <mmadia> this shows how to add it to the .vmx : http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/3rdparty/vmware/haiku-alpha.vmx[00:07:55] <CaptainPike> Thanks[00:08:12] *** Andrius has quit IRC[00:16:43] *** uukev has quit IRC[00:18:42] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[00:22:26] *** redblue has quit IRC[00:23:33] *** hoelzro has quit IRC[00:26:33] <mmadia> mmu_man ?[00:26:54] *** xvedejas has joined #haiku[00:28:15] *** bobbob has left #haiku[00:31:31] <CaptainPike> Drawing an SDL window in Haiku gives me a huge nerd boner[00:32:04] *** CaptainPike_m has joined #haiku[00:32:04] *** fly-away has quit IRC[00:35:44] <saivert> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c276/saivert/SnowLeopard-1062-update.png[00:36:24] *** skarmiglione has joined #haiku[00:39:08] <mmu_man> mmadia[00:39:37] <mmadia> do you remember who was supposed to be looking into registering the trademarks?[00:40:04] <mmu_man> isn't this in the freelist archives?[00:40:36] * mmadia grins[00:40:40] <mmu_man> http://media.englishrussia.com/floating_box/3.jpg[00:40:45] *** Barrett has quit IRC[00:41:28] * kirilla hums michael jacksson's "man in the mirror"[00:41:40] *** petterhj has quit IRC[00:41:41] *** dru_ has quit IRC[00:45:24] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[00:45:36] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[00:47:21] *** tombhad-AC has quit IRC[00:47:36] * JonathanThompson is asking kirilla to change his ways[00:47:47] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[00:48:42] *** tombhad-AC has joined #haiku[00:49:16] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[00:49:27] <kirilla> 'twasn't me, I swear![00:50:05] * JonathanThompson changes kirilla to be kirilla 2.00000000001[00:50:13] <JonathanThompson> Just a small difference, kirilla ![00:50:58] <kirilla> nice, now I've got a limp![00:51:40] <JonathanThompson> Nah: just a mosquito bite![00:52:19] *** Francis_ has joined #haiku[00:57:43] <DraX> never upgrade[00:57:52] <DraX> every new release only gets worse[00:58:48] <JonathanThompson> You hear that, kirilla ? No more upgrades for you, you'll just have to live with your bugs, bites and all :P[00:59:56] <kirilla> I'll just step into the microwave, mosquito and all, and then I'll be climbing walls![01:00:11] <JonathanThompson> I thought you already were climbing walls![01:00:29] <kirilla> big oops, it wasn't supposed to be a microwave oven. :P[01:00:43] <saivert> mmu_man: floating box = photoshop right?[01:00:45] * JonathanThompson thinks of Bellevue Community College where they have signs that you aren't supposed to climb the walls[01:01:31] <JonathanThompson> *signs saying[01:01:48] <saivert> that is in washington[01:01:58] <JonathanThompson> If you see people in climbing gear hanging from nooses, that'd be a good sign you shouldn't climb the walls :P[01:02:00] <JonathanThompson> Yes.[01:02:06] <JonathanThompson> Bellevue, Washington.[01:02:31] <JonathanThompson> The college has some interesting architecture that makes it a tempting climbing target.[01:03:29] *** aldeck has quit IRC[01:03:58] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[01:06:44] *** Francis_ is now known as gobgob[01:10:28] <mmu_man> saivert just see for yourself[01:10:35] <mmu_man> dunno what it refers to[01:10:55] <Sryche> i have 16 google wave invites, if anyone wants it[01:11:55] <mmu_man> actually, was it you who sent me one the other day ? don't think I received it[01:12:23] <mmu_man> ah no here it is[01:12:27] <mmu_man> took its time[01:13:39] *** tombhad-AC has quit IRC[01:13:58] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[01:14:55] *** tombhad-AC has joined #haiku[01:15:31] *** MadEchidna has joined #haiku[01:19:03] <Sryche> mmu_man, no, i didn't invited anyone from here[01:19:21] *** AngrySausage has joined #haiku[01:23:18] *** AngrySausage has quit IRC[01:26:04] <mmu_man> no it was someone on #netsurf[01:26:19] *** amuck_ has quit IRC[01:27:12] *** impy has quit IRC[01:27:46] *** wildur_ has quit IRC[01:29:49] *** HaikuBot has quit IRC[01:30:14] *** HaikuBot has joined #haiku[01:39:10] *** cb88 has joined #haiku[01:40:12] *** MadEchidna has quit IRC[01:47:29] *** adamk has quit IRC[01:51:43] *** MYOB has quit IRC[01:52:27] *** cb88 has quit IRC[01:57:57] *** amuck has joined #haiku[01:58:21] *** triplez has quit IRC[01:59:44] *** kokito has joined #haiku[02:01:53] *** kirilla has quit IRC[02:03:22] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[02:10:41] <CIA-69> kirilla * r33971 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/backgrounds/Backgrounds.cpp: Call be_locale->GetAppCatalog() after creation of the application and before creation of the window. Should not crash anymore.[02:13:43] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:15:29] *** mvfranz has joined #haiku[02:18:37] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[02:24:27] *** haiku has joined #haiku[02:27:52] *** triplez has joined #haiku[02:29:31] <ober> so haiku is selfhosting now?[02:29:58] <ober> rather can you upgrade an instance from haiku itself without need for another disk?[02:30:37] <mmadia> no. selfhosting refers to being able to compile Haiku from source within Haiku.[02:31:07] <mmadia> there is no live-update mechanism yet.[02:31:57] <ober> yes, note the "rather". thanks[02:32:09] *** oco has quit IRC[02:32:31] <DraX> what's necessary to make live-update possible/[02:32:45] <ober> hey drax[02:32:59] <DraX> howdy[02:34:10] <mmadia> DraX, i'm not sure.... all i know is that Haiku will let the user know that it doesn't like having its system files being replaced while running :)[02:34:31] <DraX> is there a bug about this?[02:34:32] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[02:34:55] <DraX> to realistically develop haiku in haiku you kind of need that. ;)[02:36:58] <mmadia> i don't think there's a ticket, but at least a few of the devs are aware of it.[02:39:20] <DraX> it'd be at least nice to have a description of what the problem is and some possible solutions written down somewhere[02:43:09] <jmayfield> man.. i saw a sad sad pile of broken cars today[02:43:23] <jmayfield> sad, expensive too[02:43:33] <DraX> ober: i'm still at work, but i'm going to work on getting my emacs changed rebased on latest emacs, and then i can toss you the diff[02:43:54] <DraX> once i get home obviously[02:44:26] <ober> drax thanks[02:44:46] <DraX> i'm working against the git mirror on repo.or.cz[02:45:00] <DraX> http://repo.or.cz/w/emacs.git[02:46:18] *** redblue has joined #haiku[02:46:20] *** noisetonepause has quit IRC[02:46:35] <DraX> since r1a1 comes with git :)[02:51:38] <JonathanThompson> Git while the gitting's good, DraX :P[02:58:59] <DraX> mmadia: if i asked really nice would you file a bug about not being able to override system files? :)[02:59:43] <DraX> i'd do it myself but i odn't know the details of what the error is, etc[03:00:01] <mmadia> i don't know much of the details myself...[03:00:28] <DraX> seems like the error message would be eough[03:00:30] <mmadia> just that once some drivers or possibly the kernel is over-written, things tend to go boom.[03:00:36] <DraX> ohh[03:00:46] <DraX> so it actually allows the write[03:00:49] <DraX> it just breaks after[03:01:07] <mmadia> a few days ago some people mentioned something about the way Haiku loads the files from disk...[03:01:26] <mmadia> that Haiku doesn't read the entire file into memory...[03:02:08] <DraX> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/4012[03:02:10] <mmadia> so sometime after replacing the file, Haiku will go to read another part of it and that's where things break[03:02:12] <DraX> sounds like the issue[03:03:37] <JonathanThompson> Minor issue :P[03:03:45] <JonathanThompson> On-demand paging.[03:04:25] * JonathanThompson leaves for a few bits[03:10:03] *** knottnhupfer has joined #haiku[03:10:56] <mmadia> [00:35:04] <kirilla> togermano: Haiku implements lazy loading of executables, meaning that only part of running executables may be in memory.. this is good for performance, but if those executables get overwritten (like when overwriting the entire system) bad things can happen[03:10:57] <mmadia> [00:35:48] <kirilla> (when the exe parts in memory and the new parts on disk don't match any more)[03:11:02] <mmadia> http://echelog.matzon.dk/logs/browse/haiku/1257462000[03:11:44] <DraX> that's not a feature[03:12:05] <DraX> seems like it kills any plans to write a package manager[03:13:17] *** Barrett has quit IRC[03:13:29] <DraX> mmadia: thanks for the ref[03:13:35] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[03:14:18] * mmadia nods[03:15:26] <DraX> the idea is inprinciple neat,uses less memory to load any app[03:15:35] <DraX> but the implications of it seem to be pretty scary[03:15:39] *** matthiasr has quit IRC[03:16:19] <DraX> especially if you have no safeguard against it[03:17:08] <DraX> i'm going to head home[03:20:25] *** jmayfield_ has joined #haiku[03:21:30] <jmayfield_> yep[03:23:20] *** gtaw has joined #haiku[03:28:57] *** HaikuBot has quit IRC[03:29:18] *** HaikuBot has joined #haiku[03:31:07] *** redblue has quit IRC[03:31:13] *** Barrett has quit IRC[03:33:16] *** haiku has quit IRC[03:33:28] *** haiku has joined #haiku[03:36:14] <helf|laptop> gtaw, you on?[03:36:35] <gtaw> Yes[03:36:45] <jmayfield_> helf|laptop, man.. i walked past a high-end body shop today..i nearly cried[03:36:58] <helf|laptop> jmayfield, why? :[03:37:00] <helf|laptop> :P[03:37:17] <gtaw> What is up helf?[03:37:22] <jmayfield_> one shouldnt see so many cars of that caliber in one go.. let alone so many of them post-driven into walls/fences/other cars./etc[03:38:11] <helf|laptop> jmayfield, hehe[03:38:17] <helf|laptop> i imagine it was heart wrenching :)[03:38:22] <jmayfield_> saw a maserati granturismo parked next to a mercedes-mclaren super fancy.. hehe[03:38:32] <jmayfield_> both with severe front end damage[03:38:57] <helf|laptop> dont you hate rich douche bags that wreck things likethat?[03:39:43] <jmayfield_> its just amazing to think that theres enough $$ arond here to have produced such a wreckyard[03:39:59] <jmayfield_> this places was FILLED with a whos-who of super cars[03:40:14] <helf|laptop> you are in socal, right?[03:40:29] <jmayfield_> SF bay area[03:40:37] <helf|laptop> yeah, I'm not surprised :P[03:41:23] *** hoelzro has joined #haiku[03:42:24] <JJack> Does BFS not support hard links?[03:42:25] *** thotypous has quit IRC[03:42:59] <kokito> I think it does not, but I am not 100% sure[03:43:44] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[03:43:48] *** HaikuBot1 has joined #haiku[03:44:12] <JJack> Google suggests not. Well, that's certainly one reason why can update executables while live[03:44:32] <JJack> *it can[03:44:48] <kokito> it can or it can't?[03:45:36] *** kallisti5 has quit IRC[03:45:37] <JJack> BFS doesn't support hard links. I was trying to correct my grammatical error ;)[03:45:40] *** kallisti5 has joined #haiku[03:45:57] *** kallisti5 has quit IRC[03:47:55] *** adb has joined #haiku[03:48:08] *** redblue has joined #haiku[03:49:31] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[03:50:39] *** kallisti6 has joined #haiku[03:54:22] <mvfranz> JJack apparently it is very difficult to add hard links to BFS[03:59:56] *** HaikuBot has quit IRC[04:09:47] *** haiku has quit IRC[04:10:52] *** triplez has quit IRC[04:12:08] *** kwag has joined #haiku[04:12:42] *** ober` has joined #haiku[04:14:26] *** rennj has quit IRC[04:14:26] *** {V}afk has quit IRC[04:14:26] *** HeTo has quit IRC[04:14:27] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[04:14:29] *** curlyman has quit IRC[04:14:29] *** qoreQ has quit IRC[04:14:29] *** Mazon has quit IRC[04:14:29] *** Mixer has quit IRC[04:14:29] *** ober has quit IRC[04:14:29] *** _Mazon has joined #haiku[04:14:40] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[04:14:56] *** _Mazon is now known as Mazon[04:15:43] *** HaikUbuntu has quit IRC[04:16:14] *** HaikUbuntu has joined #haiku[04:20:02] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[04:20:02] *** qoreQ has joined #haiku[04:20:08] *** curlyman has joined #haiku[04:21:48] *** triplez has joined #haiku[04:23:18] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[04:23:35] *** tombhad-AC has quit IRC[04:23:38] *** joeyadams has quit IRC[04:24:13] *** saivert has quit IRC[04:25:27] <ober`> are newer iso's made available since the alpha release?[04:25:31] *** ober` is now known as Ober[04:26:14] *** jmayfield_ has quit IRC[04:27:20] <mmadia> nightly images are available for testing purposes at http://haiku-files.org/ .... though, the stability of these aren't guaranteed in any way.[04:30:05] *** Sryche has quit IRC[04:30:43] <CaptainPike> Why doesn't my gcc support -MF ? :([04:31:36] <HaikuBot1> http://qt-haiku.ru/index.php?option=com_rsgallery2&gid=1&Itemid=64 :D[04:32:19] *** saivert has joined #haiku[04:33:07] <CaptainPike> Wow[04:39:17] *** triplez has quit IRC[04:39:31] *** rennj has joined #haiku[04:39:31] *** {V}afk has joined #haiku[04:39:31] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[04:41:14] <JJack> I hope this trend doesn't continue. The world doesn't need a greyer KDE.[04:43:03] *** triplez has joined #haiku[04:45:22] <HaikuBot1> For today It is way to get more software, and with time they will be replaced by native apps.[04:45:31] <HaikuBot1> my point of view.[04:45:54] <JJack> I hope so.[04:45:56] *** joeyadams has joined #haiku[04:46:26] <HaikuBot1> see are, i going sleep.[04:46:33] <kwag> I'm with you jjack. We really need "First Class Citizen" apps on Haiku.[04:46:48] *** AlonzoTG has left #haiku[04:48:28] <DraX> Ober: http://alexbl.net/~alexbl/haiku-support.diff[04:48:46] <DraX> agh, missing the actual important file[04:48:47] <DraX> one sec[04:48:54] *** triplez has quit IRC[04:49:52] *** triplez has joined #haiku[04:52:23] <Ober> ok[04:52:56] <DraX> Ober: http://alexbl.net/~alexbl/haiku-support.diff now[04:53:59] <Ober> ok thanks[04:54:48] <DraX> it's rebased ontop of the head of repo.or.cz/w/emacs.git[04:55:00] <DraX> not sure if it still compiles[04:56:03] *** impy has joined #haiku[04:56:32] <DraX> i'll do a fresh compile and see how it goes[04:56:42] *** kwag has quit IRC[05:14:47] *** HaikuBot1 has quit IRC[05:24:57] *** netstar has joined #haiku[05:26:33] *** mmadia has quit IRC[05:28:13] *** phalax has joined #haiku[05:32:42] *** mvfranz has quit IRC[05:35:53] *** hoelzro_ has joined #haiku[05:36:30] *** OberH has joined #haiku[05:40:20] *** hoelzro has quit IRC[05:40:30] *** xvedejas has quit IRC[05:44:28] *** JJack has quit IRC[05:52:10] <CaptainPike> Is there an easy way to "find in files" ? (find text content in multiple files)[05:54:00] *** prOSy has joined #haiku[05:57:49] *** OberH has quit IRC[06:01:45] *** vision2 has joined #haiku[06:02:26] *** vision2 is now known as OberH[06:04:42] *** joeyadams has quit IRC[06:06:32] *** bknoedel has joined #haiku[06:09:55] <DraX> grep[06:09:58] <DraX> *cough*[06:10:32] *** netstar has quit IRC[06:11:36] <CaptainPike_m> Whatever, cli nerd. :)[06:13:03] *** bknoedel has quit IRC[06:16:42] *** CaptainPike has quit IRC[06:23:42] *** OberH has quit IRC[06:27:44] *** Advant_ has joined #Haiku[06:33:26] *** Advant- has quit IRC[06:39:30] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[06:50:29] *** redblue has quit IRC[06:51:01] *** prOSy has quit IRC[06:53:59] *** gtaw has quit IRC[06:57:54] *** Captain_Pike has joined #haiku[06:58:14] *** redblue has joined #haiku[06:58:40] *** hoelzro_ has quit IRC[07:02:17] *** Captain_Pike has quit IRC[07:02:47] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[07:13:15] *** zaphod has joined #haiku[07:13:35] *** phalax has quit IRC[07:13:40] *** zaphod is now known as Guest39522[07:16:05] *** Guest39522 has quit IRC[07:17:33] *** markos_ has quit IRC[07:18:16] *** zaphod has joined #haiku[07:18:42] *** zaphod is now known as Guest31917[07:25:28] *** CaptainPike_m has quit IRC[07:37:07] *** redblue has quit IRC[07:38:07] *** CaptainPike_m has joined #haiku[07:38:18] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[07:43:25] *** Guest31917 is now known as _arjen_[07:52:19] *** redblue has joined #haiku[07:56:05] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[08:01:25] *** redblue has quit IRC[08:08:05] *** JonathanThompson has joined #Haiku[08:23:11] *** joshc has joined #haiku[08:32:57] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[08:34:43] *** HaikUbuntu has quit IRC[08:38:42] *** diogen has joined #haiku[08:41:32] *** HaikuBot has joined #haiku[08:59:11] *** knottnhupfer has quit IRC[09:02:09] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[09:09:55] *** Geoz has quit IRC[09:11:24] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[09:15:52] *** Aratsu has quit IRC[09:24:14] *** diogen has quit IRC[09:25:16] *** cherrypai has quit IRC[09:34:45] *** knottnhupfer has joined #haiku[09:37:50] *** skarmiglione has quit IRC[09:44:23] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[09:44:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o aldeck[09:46:16] *** mortuosplango has joined #haiku[09:57:30] *** knottnhupfer has quit IRC[10:04:35] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[10:16:25] *** matthiasr has joined #haiku[10:17:47] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[10:19:16] *** sprma has joined #haiku[10:21:54] *** surrounder has quit IRC[10:28:30] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[10:32:31] *** gwenael has joined #haiku[10:32:38] <gwenael> hi.[10:38:44] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[10:39:40] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[10:40:43] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[10:47:07] *** kokito has left #haiku[10:50:58] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[10:52:32] *** fly-away has joined #haiku[10:53:40] *** sprma has quit IRC[11:05:02] <CIA-69> axeld * r33972 /haiku/trunk/ (7 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)[11:05:02] <CIA-69> * Moved the location of the "hosts" file to[11:05:02] <CIA-69> B_COMMON_SETTINGS_DIRECTORY/network/hosts.[11:05:02] <CIA-69> * Moved the location of the "services" file to[11:05:02] <CIA-69> B_COMMON_DATA_DIRECTORY/network/services.[11:05:03] <CIA-69> * Removed headers I forgot to remove.[11:05:05] <CIA-69> * Made getnameinfo() use socklen_t internally as well.[11:09:52] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[11:10:37] *** curlyman has quit IRC[11:12:30] *** sprma has joined #haiku[11:12:43] *** triplez has quit IRC[11:19:04] *** matthiasr has quit IRC[11:26:09] *** countd has quit IRC[11:42:46] <CIA-69> bonefish * r33973 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/fs/vfs.cpp: _user_open_dir(): Allow a NULL path to be passed.[11:47:24] <CIA-69> bonefish * r33974 /haiku/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs):[11:47:24] <CIA-69> * Fixed fdopendir(): We have to explicitly (re-)open the directory, because FDs[11:47:24] <CIA-69> returned by open() aren't suitable for directory iteration and because checks[11:47:24] <CIA-69> have to be performed (like whether this is a directory at all and whether the[11:47:24] <CIA-69> user has read permission).[11:47:24] <CIA-69> * Added __create_dir_struct() for the attribute, index, and query open[11:47:28] <CIA-69> functions to use instead.[11:56:43] *** sprma has quit IRC[11:59:24] *** Silicon_Wolf has joined #haiku[11:59:53] <CIA-69> axeld * r33975 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs):[11:59:53] <CIA-69> * Moved teapod.data from /etc to B_SYSTEM_DATA_DIRECTORY.[11:59:53] <CIA-69> * Automatic whitespace cleanup.[12:00:44] <gwenael> /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/network/dp83815 Age[12:00:45] <gwenael> 3 years[12:00:59] <gwenael> but it's not in the alpha R1?[12:01:47] <Silicon_Wolf> to whomever is awake: when is the official 1.0 to be attempted release? 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Sorry![15:16:33] *** matthiasr has quit IRC[15:16:35] *** matthiasr_ has joined #haiku[15:18:25] *** triplez has joined #haiku[15:18:34] *** helf has joined #haiku[15:19:52] <CIA-69> axeld * r33986 /haiku/trunk/ (7 files in 5 dirs):[15:19:52] <CIA-69> * Removed /system/etc directory.[15:19:52] <CIA-69> * /etc now points to /boot/common/etc/, and the remaining contents of the former[15:19:52] <CIA-69> "etc" are put there now, as well.[15:20:16] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[15:20:47] *** Guest51566 is now known as _arjen_[15:24:05] <demetrio> hi, i'm having some problems when i try to make a haiku liveusb[15:26:26] *** hoelzro has joined #haiku[15:29:11] <mmadia> how are you trying to make it?[15:30:12] <demetrio> mmadia: i'm making with the site instructions[15:31:27] <mmadia> which instructions on which site? --- unfortunately, there's a lot of repetative data and some of it isn't as accurate[15:31:47] <demetrio> mmadia: http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/making_haiku_usb_stick[15:32:18] <mmadia> thanks :). what's the exact problem?[15:32:55] <helf> morning, mmadia[15:33:06] <demetrio> mmadia: the motherboard do not boot from my usb sticky(i tested with other os in the past and it works)[15:33:17] <mmadia> hi josh[15:34:16] *** dru_ has joined #haiku[15:34:33] <demetrio> mmadia: i'll try to boot again[15:35:52] *** demetrio has quit IRC[15:39:13] *** joeyadams has joined #haiku[15:40:05] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[15:42:13] *** raichoo has quit IRC[15:42:44] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[15:43:03] <CIA-69> bonefish * r33987 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs):[15:43:03] <CIA-69> Added AT_SYMLINK_[NO]FOLLOW constants and fstatat(). Fixes the findutils[15:43:04] <CIA-69> gnulib build.[15:47:59] *** demetrio has joined #haiku[15:48:31] <demetrio> mmadia: now it was show a message :Failed to load OS[15:49:18] <mmadia> which OS are you writing the image from?[15:49:26] <aldeck> demetrio: the way we are currently doing usb stick won't work with some boards[15:49:29] <demetrio> mmadia: haiku[15:49:47] <demetrio> aldeck: oh, thanks[15:50:02] <aldeck> that's probably your problem[15:50:19] <demetrio> aldeck: my problem, or motherboard problem?[15:50:34] <aldeck> the issue is that we use the whole device instead of making a partition + makebootable[15:51:43] <aldeck> demetrio: well the problem is in that there's no simple way (with instructions) to do it properly yet[15:51:52] <demetrio> aldeck: i make a partition+makebootable[15:51:55] <demetrio> *made[15:52:00] <aldeck> on the stick?[15:52:03] <demetrio> aldeck: yes[15:52:22] <aldeck> ah so you're not following the guide you linked above?[15:52:57] *** dflemstr has joined #haiku[15:53:02] <aldeck> (i wrote it :) )[15:53:06] <mmadia> also if you made the partition within DriveSetup, that won't work -- DriveSetup doesn't write the PBR[15:53:33] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[15:53:42] <demetrio> aldeck: yes, but i use /dev/sda1 instead /dev/sda[15:53:53] * aldeck plops mmadia[15:54:02] <demetrio> mmadia: i use linux, not windows[15:54:03] * aldeck gets back to work[15:54:10] <mmadia> ${timeOfDay} aldeck[15:54:19] <Silicon_Wolf> Sorry to interrupt, but am curious: Do you guys have a goal or deadline you're aiming for for a stable release of Haiku?[15:54:47] <aldeck> mmadia: at work atm :) local 4pm[15:55:03] <aldeck> waiting for a process to finish :)[15:55:30] <Silicon_Wolf> I'm not any good at programming yet, but I'm an extremely fast typer, and would be happy to help any of you guys with documenting anything you're doing. Just PM me and let me know.[15:55:44] <mmadia> Silicon_Wolf : there's http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/FutureHaikuFeatures[15:56:25] <mmadia> but a good discussion of what to include in R1 needs to happen, so that the rest of the alpha, beta, rc's can be planned out.[15:56:29] <demetrio> aldeck: i made according the tutorial, but for a single partition, not usb stick entirely[15:56:34] <Silicon_Wolf> gotcha[15:56:56] <mmadia> demetrio : then you're not following the guide ;)[15:57:14] <aldeck> ;)[15:57:18] <demetrio> mmadia: it do not change the things[15:57:23] <Silicon_Wolf> in all seriousness, I think getting some developers who work with CUDA and the new nVidia Tesla and to-be Fermi GPU Multiprocessor boards would be good to work with and include in developing the OS.[15:57:46] <mmadia> demetrio : if that's what you want to believe, then have fun.[15:57:59] <aldeck> Silicon_Wolf: if you got devs give them now :)[15:58:07] <demetrio> first i followed all the guide, and it isn't works[15:58:17] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[15:58:26] <demetrio> *work[15:58:29] <Silicon_Wolf> mmadia: I'll look foward to those discussions when they come up. Again, if I can help any, I'd like to despite my limited-to-none programming abilities at this current moment[15:58:33] <mmadia> demetrio : try using /dev/sda. then let us know what goes wrong.[15:58:40] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[15:59:01] <Silicon_Wolf> aldeck: I'm sure I can find some CUDA community boards that I can write on, and see if anyone is interested in helping develop the OS to integrate the nVidia chipsets into it.[15:59:12] <mmadia> Silicon_Wolf : there's always work for non devs :)[15:59:13] <demetrio> mmadia: sda is my hard disk[15:59:28] <aldeck> Silicon_Wolf: cool why not[15:59:36] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[15:59:51] <Silicon_Wolf> mmadia: ANYTHING you can think of, feel free to email me at siliconwolf.rjw at gmail dot com to give me an itinerary & errand list :-P[15:59:56] <mmadia> well, then whatever you /dev/usb is[15:59:58] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[16:00:05] <mmadia> Silicon_Wolf : this is a logged channel ;)[16:00:21] <demetrio> mmadia: my usb is /dev/sdb, i cheked it[16:00:38] <Silicon_Wolf> mmadia: I operate anonymously, don't mind who has that email address :-P[16:01:01] <demetrio> aldeck: the guide make the partition bootable?[16:01:08] <Silicon_Wolf> aldeck: go ahead and shoot me an email with your own address in it, and I'll see who I can get a hold of in the next couple of days to see who would be interested.[16:01:11] * GeneralMaximus has been arguing with someone over why native apps are more desirable[16:01:36] <GeneralMaximus> i've given up now :/[16:01:57] <GeneralMaximus> (the discussion was about OS X and Cocoa apps, btw)[16:02:46] <Ingenu> native is always better[16:02:50] <aldeck> demetrio: your board probably needs a method that is not really documented on the site yet[16:03:06] <aldeck> demetrio: i have the same issue on one of my test machines[16:03:44] <demetrio> aldeck: thank you, i'll try burn a CD =/[16:03:58] <demetrio> my cd/dvd burner is down D:[16:03:58] <zizban> Heck, I don't care as long as the apps i want run on my OS.[16:04:03] <aldeck> demetrio: if you want more info about how haiku boots, have a look there[16:04:05] <GeneralMaximus> Ingenu: well, people are just trolling me atm :/[16:04:05] <aldeck> http://www.haiku-os.org/documents/user/how_to_get_haiku_booted[16:04:38] <saivert> how to tie laces on haiku[16:04:53] <surrounder> lol[16:04:56] <demetrio> aldeck: thank you i'll read. 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Yeah! She looked at me with her big brown eyes, and said, "You ain't seen nothin' yet!"[19:50:21] <DraX> seems like an ffmpeg backend for mediaplayer that supports everythig you would want[19:50:28] <StreaK|ON> if i could i would :)[19:50:33] <DraX> is much better[19:50:57] <JonathanThompson> Yeah, I know, that was bad![19:51:14] <DraX> http://git.newos.org/?p=haiku.git;a=tree;f=src/apps/mediaplayer;h=409f030fa8074833ab3636a0fef643fbb63ce78a;hb=HEAD[19:51:32] *** phalax has joined #haiku[19:52:27] <StreaK|ON> DraX, it is a GUI for FFMPEG :)[19:53:10] <DraX> i just don't understand why you're writing a new media player when you can extend mediaplayer instead[19:53:49] *** helf has joined #haiku[19:54:14] <StreaK|ON> oh, DraX.. im tellin' you iths just GUI / Frontend for FFMpeg.. not a standalone app :)[19:54:16] * JonathanThompson poits helf[19:54:17] *** GeneralMaximus has quit IRC[19:54:38] <helf> hi[19:55:26] <DraX> StreaK|ON: that's a stand alone app..[19:55:49] <StreaK|ON> i just made a temporary substitute for lack of RMVB playablity in "build-in" media player[19:56:03] <DraX> why not extend mediaplayer to support rmvb instead?[19:56:18] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[19:56:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[19:56:33] *** ari-free has quit IRC[19:56:43] <StreaK|ON> as i said before, if i could.. i would make it..[19:57:06] <DraX> why can't you?[19:57:30] <StreaK|ON> mainly because lack of c++ knowledge, actually[19:57:58] <DraX> but you wrote one![19:58:31] <StreaK|ON> eh, its easy one.. not so compilcated i would say , compared to rmvb addon for media player[19:58:38] <StreaK|ON> :)[19:58:52] <StreaK|ON> brb[19:58:54] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[20:00:30] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[20:00:39] <StreaK|ON> re[20:01:31] <DraX> StreaK|ON: lucky there already is an ffmpeg addon[20:01:44] <DraX> http://git.newos.org/?p=haiku.git;a=tree;f=src/add-ons/media/plugins/ffmpeg;h=faa9606ba21409eef9a06ed1b11e17a4b6f4fc06;hb=HEAD[20:01:50] <DraX> you just need to figure out why it fails on rmvb :)[20:02:39] *** skarmiglione has left #haiku[20:04:33] <StreaK|ON> when i tried rmvb with mp, it fails to play.. wonder why..[20:05:04] *** HaikUbuntu has quit IRC[20:06:54] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[20:09:06] <StreaK|ON> http://www.haikuware.com/directory/view-details/multimedia/video/playback/tiny-haiku-player[20:11:07] *** adamk has quit IRC[20:12:16] <mmu_man> StreaK|ON probably because the format is not listed in the addon's supported ones[20:12:22] <mmu_man> just send a patch :p[20:15:01] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[20:16:04] *** pulkomandy has joined #haiku[20:19:11] *** Barrett has quit IRC[20:19:25] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[20:24:38] *** HaikUbuntu has joined #haiku[20:25:12] *** sprma has quit IRC[20:25:21] *** [r4]_ has joined #haiku[20:25:39] *** Skipp_OSX has left #haiku[20:27:58] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[20:28:03] *** StreaK|ON has left #haiku[20:29:07] *** aldeck has quit IRC[20:30:23] *** impy has quit IRC[20:30:37] *** impy has joined #haiku[20:31:57] *** saivert has quit IRC[20:32:06] *** saivert has joined #haiku[20:32:46] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[20:42:24] *** gtaw has quit IRC[20:48:47] *** adamk has joined #haiku[20:53:14] *** matthiasr has joined #haiku[20:54:33] *** matthiasr has quit IRC[20:54:55] *** matthiasr has joined #haiku[20:57:55] *** Malmis has joined #Haiku[20:58:15] *** Malmis_ has quit IRC[21:00:03] *** Captain_Pike has joined #haiku[21:01:18] *** Hugen has quit IRC[21:04:59] <Captain_Pike> Does this list represent working wifi cards? http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:XDwhNHDJNvgJ:dev.haiku-os.org/attachment/ticket/3632/listdev-29784.txt+intel+5100+agn+haiku&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us[21:06:31] <alexsuraci> doubt it[21:07:38] <alexsuraci> just identified devices, for a ticket unrelated to wifi[21:09:36] <Captain_Pike> Ah. Perhaps I will install an Atheros card then.[21:10:07] *** scx has joined #haiku[21:10:45] <scx> hello[21:11:48] <scx> which BeOS/Haiku version should i download if i want to use it on VM (VirtualBOX 2.4, QEMU or Bosch)?[21:12:16] <alexsuraci> the vmware nightlies work fine in virtualbox[21:12:35] <alexsuraci> http://haiku-files.org/vmware/[21:12:35] <scx> you mean haiku?[21:12:45] <scx> what about old BeOS?[21:12:53] <alexsuraci> no idea[21:13:44] <Captain_Pike> Last time I tried, I was unable to get BeOS/Zata/Max to run in a VM.[21:13:53] <scx> I heard about Dano/PhOS by Bernd Korz[21:14:02] <scx> is it still live?[21:16:21] <JonathanThompson> At some point in the distant past, I had 5.03 running in Virtual PC.[21:16:31] <JonathanThompson> That's dead, scx[21:16:55] <Captain_Pike> Haiku really does run fairly well at this oint, though.[21:20:07] *** matthiasr has quit IRC[21:20:26] *** matthiasr has joined #haiku[21:21:34] <scx> is "ISO" image from haiku-os.org only LiveCD or i can install haiku on hard disk using this?[21:23:53] <pulkomandy> you can install[21:24:29] <pulkomandy> it will ask you at boot time if you want the live mode (which is slower than running from hard disk) or run the installer[21:29:54] <scx> ok, thanks[21:30:23] <scx> Does Haiku (ISO) include gcc?[21:31:15] <mmu_man> it should, the alpha at least[21:33:01] <mmadia> & nightly[21:33:41] <Captain_Pike> yes, gcc is included[21:33:46] *** korli has joined #haiku[21:33:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[21:34:37] <Captain_Pike> Note that if you want to develop, there are both gcc2 abd gcc4 versions[21:34:54] <Captain_Pike> (I found that I need gcc4 for my project)[21:35:09] <cb88> what was that command to set the gcc version again?[21:36:10] <mmadia> setgcc -h[21:37:47] <cb88> ic.. thanks[21:39:27] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[21:42:04] *** dru--_ has joined #haiku[21:42:24] *** dru--_ has quit IRC[21:42:30] *** dru_ has quit IRC[21:42:40] *** dru--_ has joined #haiku[21:44:42] *** alexsuraci has quit IRC[21:44:51] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[21:46:40] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[21:46:49] *** cb88 has quit IRC[21:46:54] *** fhein has quit IRC[21:51:57] *** Captain_Pike has quit IRC[21:52:29] *** Captain_Pike has joined #haiku[21:52:52] *** fleximus has joined #haiku[21:53:05] <Captain_Pike> I'm off to buy an Atheros card.. I see a supported list here: http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base/stable/8/share/man/man4/ath_hal.4?view=markup However, is there one card that is supported best?[21:53:58] <adamk> I've used a linksys wpc55ag ver 1.2 card under FreeBSD.[21:54:03] <adamk> I have not tried it in Haiku yet.[21:54:43] <fleximus> I bought a digitus wlan stick which is detected in FreeBSD as urtw but does not work very well[21:54:47] *** oco has joined #haiku[21:55:13] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[21:58:26] <adamk> Are the wireless components available as a package somewhere? I wouldn't mind giving it a try.[21:59:07] *** xvedejas has joined #haiku[22:01:31] *** adamk has quit IRC[22:01:37] *** adamk has joined #haiku[22:01:52] *** scx has quit IRC[22:07:26] <Captain_Pike> http://dev.osdrawer.net/projects/haiku-wifi/files[22:07:52] <Captain_Pike> I assume this is it, but am not an expert.[22:09:03] <adamk> That does look promising.[22:10:00] *** davbook has joined #haiku[22:10:02] *** noisetonepause has joined #haiku[22:11:44] *** xvedejas has quit IRC[22:12:14] *** luroh has joined #haiku[22:12:44] *** killermouse0 has joined #haiku[22:15:37] *** adamk has quit IRC[22:15:56] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[22:16:53] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[22:16:58] *** adamk has joined #haiku[22:17:21] <adamk> Well that driver doesn't work here.[22:17:47] <adamk> could not resolve symbol '_Notify__17ConditionVariablebT1'[22:18:54] <adamk> The driver is from the 8th, Haiku built on the 4th.[22:22:22] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[22:22:27] *** adrianadrian has joined #haiku[22:32:54] *** gobgob has joined #haiku[22:33:58] <korli> adamk: a parameter was added on this method on Oct 21th[22:34:09] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:34:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[22:34:51] <adamk> korli, Odd... I did that Haiku build on the 4th...[22:35:03] <adamk> Hmm.. Maybe my local repo is screwed up.[22:39:04] *** Maico has joined #haiku[22:39:08] <Maico> Hi all![22:40:08] <Maico> Idle channel...[22:40:19] <adamk> Some times are busier than others.[22:40:22] *** CaptainPike_Andr has quit IRC[22:40:57] <korli> adamk the wifi build seems to target r1a1[22:41:43] *** CaptainPike_Andr has joined #haiku[22:41:58] <adamk_> Ahhh, so I'm probably too new.[22:43:07] *** alexsuraci has joined #haiku[22:43:10] <Maico> That's okay :)[22:43:56] *** hoelzro has quit IRC[22:44:00] <adamk_> That's alright. I can't really switch to Haiku on this laptop anyway :-) Just thought it'd be neat to tru.[22:44:02] <adamk_> try, even.[22:44:17] *** yamokidzu-it has joined #haiku[22:45:20] *** Captain_Pike has quit IRC[22:45:29] <Maico> I think that I'll try the live cd this night. I'm not new to BeOS, but I am at Haiku, so I see forwards to it[22:45:38] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:47:14] *** nOgAnOo has joined #haiku[22:48:06] *** CaptainPike_Andr has quit IRC[22:49:11] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[22:57:25] *** dru--_ has quit IRC[22:58:50] *** CaptainPike_Andr has joined #haiku[22:59:16] *** pulkomandy has quit IRC[23:00:03] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[23:01:00] *** fly-away has joined #haiku[23:03:52] *** adamk has quit IRC[23:04:20] *** adamk has joined #haiku[23:05:10] *** CaptainPike_hero has joined #haiku[23:05:43] *** CaptainPike_Andr has quit IRC[23:06:02] *** Hugen has quit IRC[23:07:36] <CaptainPike_hero> I'm on way to store to buy atheros card. please give recommendation in next 30 minutes :)[23:08:14] <kirilla> heh[23:08:14] <CaptainPike_hero> irc on android rules[23:08:22] *** dflemstr has quit IRC[23:09:26] <kirilla> I'm clueless on the atheros topic, sad to say[23:11:03] *** demetrio has quit IRC[23:13:45] *** heavenquake has joined #haiku[23:15:31] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:15:36] <CaptainPike_hero> heaven, recommend an atheros card?[23:16:19] <kirilla> Isn't there a hardware database something over at Haikuware?[23:16:25] <mmadia> iirc, the one that's in the acer aspire one 150 works.[23:18:24] *** xvedejas has joined #haiku[23:19:43] *** yamokidzu-it has quit IRC[23:19:48] <CaptainPike_hero> thanks. I've printed the list and the 150 is on it. ooh... at store[23:22:23] *** [Katisu]_m has joined #haiku[23:22:31] *** mmu_screen has quit IRC[23:25:24] <fleximus> I am missing my nvidia.settings file... anyone can tell me where it is? Where did I get it from the last time?[23:25:55] <luroh> fleximus: the repo, i suspect[23:26:04] *** mmu_screen has joined #haiku[23:26:37] <luroh> hold on, digging...[23:27:27] <luroh> http://svn.berlios.de/wsvn/haiku/haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/nvidia/nvidia.settings[23:27:41] *** adrianadrian has left #haiku[23:27:46] <fleximus> luroh: thanks! :-)[23:27:54] <luroh> np[23:27:54] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[23:27:55] *** [Katisu]_m is now known as [Katisu][23:28:21] *** _Ruan_ has joined #haiku[23:31:27] <luroh> a better link perhaps, with a download link at the very bottom: http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/nvidia/nvidia.settings[23:35:19] *** fly-away has quit IRC[23:35:54] *** tuna_ has joined #haiku[23:37:16] <tuna_> g'day[23:37:28] <Maico> hi[23:37:30] <kirilla> hi tuna_[23:38:00] <tuna_> hey maico, kirilla...[23:38:12] <tuna_> kir: lemote just put out a 10.1 screen on their MIPS notebook[23:38:53] <tuna_> http://www.lemote.com/bencandy.php?fid=135&id=705[23:38:54] <kirilla> did you order from kd85(?)[23:39:01] <tuna_> not yet...[23:39:12] <tuna_> I emailed lemote asking them for a quote on the new one.[23:39:24] <tuna_> wim only has 1 left but its the 8.9 screen[23:39:45] <kirilla> I saw some mixed images on his site, of the Gdium and the Lemote[23:40:02] <tuna_> yah... i didn't see the gdium for sale though[23:40:10] <kirilla> me neither[23:40:29] <noisetonepause> does that thing have a battery at all?[23:40:31] *** [r4]_ has quit IRC[23:40:43] <tuna_> i also found a paper on my old university journal archive about the Godson 3 (Loongson) quad core[23:40:46] <tuna_> you want it?[23:41:08] <kirilla> yeah, send it over![23:41:21] <kirilla> jonas@ ... com[23:41:26] <tuna_> yuh[23:41:36] <kirilla> or url[23:41:54] <Maico> Why should you use another ones paper... cheating? :p[23:42:08] <tuna_> no no[23:42:17] <Maico> ACh tje knowledge :)[23:42:21] <tuna_> it outlines how the new proc works[23:42:37] <tuna_> sent[23:42:39] <tuna_> let me know when you geti t[23:42:49] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[23:43:15] <kirilla> I might be interested in a Lemote something 2f chip series with a serial port[23:43:31] <tuna_> its not that much different from the current Loongson except it uses hardware for x86 compatibility[23:43:42] <tuna_> and it has 4 cores[23:43:44] <tuna_> and 8 next year[23:44:13] <kirilla> the Fuulong maybe[23:44:21] <kirilla> fuloong..[23:44:26] <tuna_> cheaper too.[23:44:54] <kirilla> I hope they can pull it off that soon :)[23:44:54] <tuna_> http://www.tekmote.nl/epages/61504599.sf/nl_NL/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61504599/Products/CFL-006[23:44:59] <tuna_> not sure if it is has serial[23:45:02] <tuna_> just from my bookmarks[23:46:00] <kirilla> that's nice[23:46:20] <tuna_> i'm trying to find the 2f doc... shit i think i left it at school[23:46:23] <tuna_> will email it tomorrow[23:46:49] <kirilla> Are people buying from Tekmote? I'm a bit catious with resellers.[23:46:56] <tuna_> no idea[23:47:04] <kirilla> I trust Wim though.[23:47:08] <tuna_> i trust wim but wouldn't order from kd85[23:47:08] <tuna_> hah[23:47:17] <tuna_> er tekmote[23:47:18] <tuna_> sorry[23:47:27] <tuna_> wim has sent me stuff here in canada.[23:48:06] <tuna_> kirilla, i will let you know when lemote gets back to me... apparently its cheaper to go through them directly... but i just want the bigger screen[23:48:12] <tuna_> if they don't get back to me i'll order from wim[23:49:24] <kirilla> ordering from China.. hmm.. not yet :)[23:49:24] *** Sryche has joined #haiku[23:50:08] <tuna_> wim obviously did... :)[23:50:40] <tuna_> you get that pdf?[23:50:47] <kirilla> ah sorry.. other PC[23:50:57] <tuna_> its ok[23:51:03] <kirilla> you're a student?[23:51:10] <tuna_> nope.[23:51:23] <tuna_> teacher[23:51:27] <tuna_> still have access[23:51:37] <tuna_> its great[23:51:49] <tuna_> over 2,000 journals and their archives from African Studies to Zoology[23:52:42] *** The123king has quit IRC[23:53:17] *** n0g4n0o has joined #haiku[23:53:29] <tuna_> gonna go eat dinner and take the damn dog for a walk. bbl[23:53:37] <kirilla> heh :)[23:53:54] *** nOgAnOo has quit IRC[23:53:55] <kirilla> later tuna_[23:54:32] <kirilla> pets[23:57:12] <CaptainPike_hero> anyone know if a usb atheros card would work?[23:57:29] *** PasNox has quit IRC[23:57:38] *** fleximus has quit IRC