November 8, 2009 
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November 8, 2009 [00:00:48] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[00:02:02] *** redblue has joined #haiku[00:10:32] *** joeyadams has joined #haiku[00:10:37] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[00:12:43] *** fly-away has quit IRC[00:13:13] *** mortuosplango has quit IRC[00:13:31] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[00:14:19] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[00:15:47] *** xerio has quit IRC[00:19:27] *** mmlr has quit IRC[00:20:19] *** HaikUbuntu has joined #haiku[00:23:19] *** Barrett has quit IRC[00:24:13] *** Advant- is now known as Advant[00:27:50] <alexsuraci> well that[00:27:56] <alexsuraci> s an interesting bug.[00:28:20] <alexsuraci> if I press "next" rapidly enough it starts playing at double speed[00:28:34] <MrSunshine> in what?[00:28:42] <alexsuraci> my own little toy media player[00:28:48] <alexsuraci> not mediaplayer ;) (that I know of)[00:29:14] <alexsuraci> mediaplayer's fine[00:29:29] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[00:29:46] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[00:30:24] <MYOB> I'm also play with media players, albeit messy ten tonne sledgehammer ones...[00:30:59] <MYOB> playing*[00:31:26] <kirilla> MYOB: you're rewriting VLC in javascript? ;)[00:33:05] *** Geoz has quit IRC[00:33:32] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[00:34:30] <MYOB> no, just trying to debug its inability to play DVDs on Haiku[00:34:40] *** joshc has quit IRC[00:36:06] <kirilla> I've had some issues with VLC and DVDs also in Linux[00:36:22] <MYOB> well, it doesn't play any, at all, in haiku[00:36:45] <MYOB> think its either a dvdread/dvdnav problem or something else to do with accessing the drive, as it can handle the raw VOBs fine[00:38:32] <OmniMancer> perhaps it cannot get to the disk in raw mode?[00:38:32] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[00:39:24] <MYOB> OmniMancer thats handled by libdvdcss which is working fine[00:39:37] <OmniMancer> okay?[00:39:55] <MYOB> although on that note I should probably go grab an encrypted disc for checking later[00:40:03] <MYOB> the first one that fell to hand is unencrypted[00:40:06] <kirilla> how does decss work? is it like a secret handshake after which the files appear unencrypted, or merely some decryption done in userland by one-self?[00:40:49] <MYOB> kirilla it provides a fake block device which is the same as accessing the drive as a block device... just, decrypted[00:41:34] <OmniMancer> yay for terribly flawed encryption schemes[00:41:43] <MYOB> clearly "homescreen.nl" don't think its worth encrypting an obscure 1990s British movie, this Sony one should be[00:42:05] <kirilla> Couldn't Haiku could do that? Sort of like the cdda-fs?[00:43:12] <OmniMancer> similar problems to linux having dvd decryption in the kernel?[00:43:25] <MYOB> kirilla yeah[00:43:28] <kirilla> legal minefield?[00:45:43] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[00:45:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[00:46:20] <MYOB> probably[00:49:21] *** MYOB has quit IRC[00:49:37] *** MYOB has joined #haiku[00:49:44] <MYOB> managed to hard-hang the system there[00:49:47] *** killermouse0 has quit IRC[00:51:02] *** ari-free has joined #haiku[00:51:46] *** fly-away has joined #haiku[00:52:33] *** alexsuraci has quit IRC[00:53:49] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[00:54:30] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[00:54:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o aldeck[01:00:26] *** haiku has joined #haiku[01:02:06] <haiku> Hello Haiku people![01:03:09] <mmu_man> plop[01:03:19] <kirilla> hi there haiku-person ;)[01:03:23] <OmniMancer> hi[01:03:31] <aldeck> nice nick :)[01:03:44] <haiku> nice to see the add-ons fixed! ;)[01:04:05] <kirilla> which ones?[01:04:14] <haiku> Background[01:04:21] <kirilla> ah :) thanks![01:04:28] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[01:04:29] <haiku> I thought all were broken[01:04:46] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[01:04:50] <kirilla> heh.. I should probably fix the few issues left with zipomatic[01:05:02] <kirilla> and the TextSearch ones :P[01:05:43] <haiku> how about adding a tab feature in the Haiku file browser.[01:05:43] *** cb88 has joined #haiku[01:05:50] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[01:06:03] <kirilla> haiku: got any bugs that might be unreported?[01:06:03] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[01:06:07] <haiku> every time I go to another directory, it opens up another window[01:06:15] <OmniMancer> how about fixing the problems that are already in tracker?[01:06:19] <umccullough> you can change it to single-window browse[01:06:19] <OmniMancer> oh that[01:06:31] <OmniMancer> haiku: tracker settings :D[01:06:45] <haiku> and dynamicaly resize the window[01:07:16] *** jmayfield has joined #haiku[01:07:24] <umccullough> sort of the opposite of spatial browsing[01:07:31] *** JonathanThompson has joined #Haiku[01:07:37] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[01:07:40] <kirilla> haiku: in standard Tracker mode (non-single-window-browsing) you can press&hold "option" (the windows key?) while opening a child folder, and have the parent folder close automatically[01:08:08] <OmniMancer> it would be nice to have the up button while in that mode though[01:08:09] <kirilla> haiku: it also works while using the keyboard.. Alt-Up/Down or Alt-Option-Up/Down[01:09:35] <haiku> brb[01:10:25] <umccullough> haiku also comes with a nice irc client so you don't have to use a browser ;)[01:11:09] <OmniMancer> :)[01:17:35] <CIA-69> kirilla * r33942 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/backgrounds/Backgrounds.cpp: Activate already showing, possibly unfocused window if Backgrounds gets launched while already running. Small clean-up.[01:17:58] <haiku> Haiku's IRC client does not work for me![01:18:10] *** alexsuraci has joined #haiku[01:18:25] <umccullough> probably you just didn't configure it properly[01:18:41] <haiku> I have a Star Trek TNG image for my background![01:18:52] <kirilla> it could be made easier to configure[01:18:58] <umccullough> indeed[01:19:07] <umccullough> could even come pre-configured for freenode ;)[01:19:11] <kirilla> yah[01:19:17] <haiku> good thinking[01:19:39] <haiku> like pidgin does for gmail?[01:20:19] *** cb88 has quit IRC[01:20:59] <kirilla> don't know, but I'm thinking an IM or email account is more exclusive than an IRC nickname.[01:21:26] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:21:36] <kirilla> having an IRC client with a standard/default nick isn't a problem, as long as the nick isn't held by any particular user[01:22:20] <OmniMancer> indeed[01:22:24] <kirilla> having an IM app with a default user.. that's not possible at all, but you can always provide known settings for a common service provider[01:22:43] <MYOB> does lead to people gettting kicked off a lot shortly after a release I'd expect kirilla...[01:23:41] <OmniMancer> yes[01:23:45] <kirilla> doesn't the server usually suggest a name change?[01:24:07] <OmniMancer> for example gtalk is not a protocol so much as a jabber network :D[01:24:08] <MYOB> well, yeah, but if you're not able to find that config section to begin with...[01:24:16] <kirilla> heh[01:25:20] <mmadia> we could name everyone 'binky'[01:26:06] <OmniMancer> you can make the client autorename on name clash for IRC[01:26:10] *** cb88 has joined #haiku[01:26:16] <OmniMancer> as in add a number on the end[01:26:18] *** haiku has quit IRC[01:28:28] <umccullough> most already do[01:28:36] <umccullough> including vision IIRC[01:29:01] <umccullough> at least, an underscore, right?[01:29:18] <OmniMancer> yea[01:29:27] <OmniMancer> pidgin adds increasing numbers :D[01:29:29] *** mmadia42 has joined #haiku[01:29:44] *** mmadia1 has joined #haiku[01:29:53] *** mmadia42 has quit IRC[01:30:02] *** mmadia1 has quit IRC[01:30:05] <mmadia> bah. i've a few nicks set up.[01:30:16] *** alexsuraci has quit IRC[01:31:46] *** alexsuraci has joined #haiku[01:32:05] *** fcr has joined #haiku[01:33:32] <CIA-69> anevilyak * r33943 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/backgrounds/Backgrounds.cpp: Fix build.[01:33:41] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[01:37:34] *** Sryche has quit IRC[01:44:16] *** fly-away has quit IRC[01:46:39] *** kwag has joined #haiku[01:48:30] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[01:48:39] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[01:49:51] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[01:54:48] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[01:59:17] *** skarmiglione has left #haiku[02:04:01] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[02:04:48] *** NathanP has joined #Haiku[02:04:56] <gtaw> NathanP[02:04:59] *** Hugen has quit IRC[02:05:05] <NathanP> Yes?[02:05:12] <gtaw> Shaddup[02:05:14] <gtaw> :D[02:05:31] <NathanP> I'm back on a new system. And a nice boost in hardware.[02:05:37] *** Sryche has joined #haiku[02:05:42] <NathanP> And, an ergonomic keyboard, which I am having to adjust to.[02:05:43] <gtaw> But does it run Linux?[02:05:59] <NathanP> (Of course! nVidia drivers to the rescue, I add.)[02:06:16] <NathanP> From 1.75 Ghz to 2.60![02:07:07] *** kokito has joined #haiku[02:07:15] <NathanP> An nVidia card in place of ATI.[02:07:28] <NathanP> Dear God, I'm in hardware heaven right now.[02:08:03] <gtaw> It'll last for about 6 months and then be obsolete ;)[02:08:32] <NathanP> (I tried to install ZETA 1.2 first, but it didn't like my mouse. Kept sticking to the corner like a sad little kid. ZETA 1.0 hates it to hell and back and won't boot.)[02:08:48] <NathanP> (I'm trying BeOS next. ;) )[02:09:20] <NathanP> (Haiku after my BeOS binge, I'm going by what I actually have on CD.)[02:12:06] <NathanP> How is Haiku'[02:12:16] <NathanP> s support for the nVidia GeForce 6600?[02:12:42] <kirilla> Zeta CDs.. I store those with my large collection of fossilized Trilobites. ;][02:13:12] <NathanP> Gah, I have 1.0,1.1,1.2,1.21,1.5 all on purchased CD's.[02:13:23] <NathanP> And did I mention they're all upgrade CD's?[02:13:25] <NathanP> Muahahaha![02:13:35] <kirilla> NathanP: I don't think there's native driver support for the 6600 yet (but I'm not certain about that)[02:13:57] <umccullough> i thought haiku supported up to the 7xxx series now?[02:13:57] <NathanP> If not, I'm sure Vesa will do fine. ;)[02:14:33] <kirilla> umccullough: I'm probably wrong then.[02:14:47] <umccullough> easy enough to check :)[02:14:49] <NathanP> I have a better idea: I'll check.[02:14:55] <NathanP> Aha. :p[02:15:25] <umccullough> plenty of mention of 6600 here: http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/nvidia/driver.c[02:15:33] <kirilla> the only bad thing about vesa, apart from lack of accel. 3D, is that the resolutions supported by the card and the native resolution of monitor might not match perfectly[02:16:14] <umccullough> yup, looks like 6600's are supported here too: http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_general.c[02:16:14] <NathanP> I've notice the complaints about resolution and Vesa. I'm used to horrible 1024x768 on BeOS and ZETA anyways.[02:17:16] <umccullough> support for 7800's too[02:17:18] <NathanP> Well, just need to partition the disk, give Haiku about 60Gigs of space (It's a big disk now. :) ) and get to installing.[02:17:27] <umccullough> 60gb?[02:17:34] <NathanP> Yep.[02:17:39] <umccullough> i think the most space i've ever given haiku was maybe 20 :D[02:17:50] <gtaw> And I was laughed at for 20gig[02:17:54] <NathanP> Same, when my disk was only 60GB in space.[02:18:29] <umccullough> granted, i keep a few additional BFS partitions around for storage[02:19:00] <NathanP> (I think this computer has an extra disk in it, too...)[02:19:11] <NathanP> So... Dedicated harddrive? :p[02:20:35] <umccullough> sadly, Haiku bootman can't be installed to a second disk, nor can it boot a partition on a second disk[02:20:55] <umccullough> technically, you could install it there, but you'd have to do so by swapping the disk order around[02:21:06] <NathanP> You ruined my happy day.[02:21:16] <umccullough> sorry[02:21:31] <NathanP> Gah, I'm just gonna celebrate that my hardware woes are over.[02:21:39] <umccullough> could use grub (or other bootloader) to chainload haiku on a second disk :[02:21:58] *** alexsuraci has quit IRC[02:22:02] *** Syn-- has quit IRC[02:22:17] <NathanP> Well, I was planning to use Grub.[02:22:19] <DraX> i want a dedicated haiku box :([02:24:15] <NathanP> I'm just glad to be moving Haiku off a VM. My old system's network was despised by Haiku.[02:24:42] <kirilla> DraX: that should be: " i want a dedicated haiku box :)"[02:24:44] <kirilla> ;)[02:25:52] <NathanP> Oh, yes. This computer has a built in DVD rewritable drive.[02:25:57] <NathanP> I am one happy man today.[02:26:12] * NathanP glares with an evil smile at his Sony external DVD burner.[02:27:39] <DraX> new thinkpad is coming soon[02:28:10] <NathanP> I lost interest when the IBM logo on the side became just a cosmetic effect.[02:28:50] <DraX> still better laptops[02:30:48] <NathanP> Eh, I find that to be more or less an opinion these days.[02:31:24] <DraX> it's always an opinion..[02:31:52] *** alexsuraci has joined #haiku[02:32:22] <NathanP> (Ah, but in my opinion--- Oh, crap.)[02:32:45] * OmniMancer has a dedicated haiku box, a vm is more convenient :([02:32:51] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[02:33:02] <NathanP> But a VM leaves more to be desired![02:33:34] <OmniMancer> svn doesn't run properly on the dedicated box...[02:33:44] <NathanP> Let that beast's wings stretch and let it fly (While viewing several videos simultaneously with an audio of an old comedy sketch.)[02:34:03] <NathanP> (SVN doesn't run at all for me in VM)[02:34:07] <NathanP> I think we're even.[02:34:22] *** noisetonepause has joined #haiku[02:35:18] *** wildur has quit IRC[02:36:37] <NathanP> http://www.osnews.com/story/22457/Debian_GNU_Hurd_the_L_series[02:36:46] <NathanP> Hm. I forgot Hurd even existed.[02:37:03] <MYOB> right, I've got VLC to compile and explode on loading, thats a step further than before... bed calls[02:37:06] *** MYOB has quit IRC[02:38:53] <NathanP> Well, I'm off to partition and then install Haiku.[02:39:06] *** NathanP has quit IRC[02:39:40] *** aldeck has quit IRC[02:41:32] *** cnuke_ has joined #haiku[02:43:09] *** matthiasr has joined #haiku[02:45:51] *** HaikUbuntu has quit IRC[02:47:59] *** cnuke has quit IRC[02:50:56] *** markos_ has quit IRC[02:51:08] *** ari2-free has joined #haiku[03:03:26] *** ajitomatix has joined #haiku[03:04:23] <ajitomatix> hello haiku folks[03:04:55] *** tuna has joined #haiku[03:05:06] <ajitomatix> I just installed R1/Alpha on Dell inspiron 700m[03:05:22] <ajitomatix> it has intel 855GM video card[03:05:41] <ajitomatix> the resolution is funny. It seems to cover only the left portion of the screen[03:05:58] <ajitomatix> changing resolution from preferences is not working[03:06:09] <ajitomatix> wondering if anyone else has seen something similar ...[03:06:23] *** cb881 has joined #haiku[03:07:18] <tuna> can't say that I have... haven't run into the 855GM. sorry.[03:07:59] <ajitomatix> ok. i did some searches on forums. it seems that people have run into this before. But the forums don't have a solution documented.[03:09:02] *** NathanP has joined #Haiku[03:09:15] <NathanP> Didn't work.[03:09:31] <NathanP> Got to the fourth icon, but just wouldn't push on forward.[03:09:58] *** matthiasr|haiku has joined #haiku[03:11:47] <matthiasr|haiku> hello, I can't seem to comment on http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/3850[03:11:53] <matthiasr|haiku> is this expected?[03:12:07] <kirilla> matthiasr|haiku: do you have account that you're logged into?[03:12:10] *** mvfranz has joined #haiku[03:12:33] <matthiasr|haiku> it says so... "Logged in as matthiasr"[03:12:44] <kirilla> there's an email message one is supposed to received and a link or some such that one has to use, to verify the account[03:13:01] <jmayfield> sweet.. i just threw a rubber ball into my kids room.. bounced off one girls head, onto the other girls head, then off the dogs head..[03:13:14] <JonathanThompson> "P[03:13:17] <JonathanThompson> :P[03:13:19] <kirilla> heh[03:13:26] <NathanP> JonathanThompson, there's the man I've been looking for![03:13:29] <kirilla> nice parenting skills ;)[03:13:32] <jmayfield> bonk, bonk, bonk.. "HEY!"[03:13:53] *** cb88 has quit IRC[03:13:55] <matthiasr|haiku> kirilla: that's probably the problem... didn't get that.[03:14:10] * JonathanThompson runs in fright from the insane NathanP[03:14:30] <matthiasr|haiku> oh, my bad[03:14:33] <jmayfield> kirilla, hehe.. it is one of those big, light, think rubber bouncey balls[03:14:48] <jmayfield> thin rubber[03:14:51] <kirilla> :)[03:15:04] <matthiasr|haiku> upgrade had reset my keymap and i didn't notice soon enough[03:15:32] <kirilla> hockey pucks :][03:15:38] <jmayfield> i love the reverby sound that comes from rubber bouncy balls being bounced[03:15:49] <NathanP> Well, JonathanThompson, my driver spree is on hiatus as the machine it's for is currently incapacitated.[03:15:56] *** ajitomatix has left #haiku[03:15:57] * JonathanThompson must remember to bounce balls off of his future kid's heads[03:16:12] <NathanP> And I must remember to do that next time I visit the nursing home.[03:16:59] <JonathanThompson> See that they're still alive, or finish them off from pure shock :d[03:17:03] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[03:17:48] <NathanP> Anyways, It's seem it[03:17:57] <NathanP> 's true: I'm cursed from the BeOS world.[03:18:11] <NathanP> Something ALWAYS never works.[03:19:01] <JonathanThompson> always never?[03:19:14] <jmayfield> well, sometime never isnt really never[03:19:17] <jmayfield> sometimes never[03:19:28] <NathanP> No, it's always something.[03:19:44] <jmayfield> but never nothing?[03:19:48] <NathanP> On one machine it's the graphics card, on another it's the system itself.[03:20:32] <NathanP> Well, I did get BeOS and ZETA working just fine on a P3 machine, but it's very slow.[03:20:38] <NathanP> So, I don't typically count it. :p[03:20:53] *** witukind has joined #haiku[03:21:41] *** lstarnes is now known as sheep[03:21:48] <matthiasr|haiku> oh my, now BeZillaBrowser keeps crashing... reboot due.[03:21:53] *** matthiasr|haiku has quit IRC[03:24:35] <kirilla> matthiasr: any luck with the bug tracker commenting?[03:25:07] <matthiasr> kirilla: got stopped by browser crash and now the network won't do what it's supposed to...[03:25:20] <NathanP> Hmm...[03:25:20] *** sheep is now known as lstarnes[03:25:32] * NathanP walks over to his shelf and pulls out an unlabaled, black CD.[03:27:39] <geist> uh oh, this got the stuff[03:27:55] <jmayfield> that got the things?[03:29:08] * NathanP looks over the CD and looks into his own reflection, as he lets out a maddening laugh.[03:29:55] <geist> yeah, it's got the stuff[03:30:47] <NathanP> What are you two talking about?[03:30:56] <NathanP> Can't a man fantasize over his CD in peace?[03:30:57] <jmayfield> NathanP, the fact that it has them[03:31:18] <NathanP> "Platform not supported[03:31:18] <NathanP> You appear to be using an unsupported operating system or Web browser. In order to use our video player, we require:[03:31:18] <NathanP> * Windows XP/Vista with Internet Explorer 6+, Firefox 3[03:31:18] <NathanP> * Mac - Firefox 3+, Safari 3+"[03:31:21] <NathanP> God darnit.[03:32:54] *** GerbilSoft has joined #haiku[03:33:38] *** oco has quit IRC[03:39:33] <matthiasr> oh great.[03:40:12] <NathanP> Mutant gerbils took over the world?[03:40:18] <gtaw> They did.[03:40:27] <gtaw> Bow down to your ass invading overlords.[03:40:31] <gtaw> :D[03:40:41] <NathanP> Hot dog, finally![03:40:46] <matthiasr> *phew* probably just a temporary glitch.[03:40:59] <NathanP> What happened, matthiasr?[03:41:39] <matthiasr> I had had problems in R1alpha1 with the boot hanging at the last icon, probably when switching resolution/graphics driver[03:42:05] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[03:42:10] <matthiasr> strangely, it worked when I turned on the debug messages AND had them auto-scroll[03:42:37] <NathanP> I need to look into why Haiku isn't booting for me...[03:42:38] <matthiasr> this appears to be resolved in r33939, but I saw it once again.[03:42:50] <matthiasr> now it worked...[03:42:52] <NathanP> I would do that now, but All My Children is on right now.[03:43:11] <NathanP> Then I need to watch The Golden Girls...[03:43:38] *** matthiasr|haiku has joined #haiku[03:43:52] <matthiasr|haiku> and networking is back![03:44:19] <NathanP> Oh, it's working for you?[03:44:28] <matthiasr|haiku> probably the network card itself hung up[03:44:43] <NathanP> Geh, I need to look into these things.[03:44:44] <matthiasr|haiku> couldn't get any packages through, not even after a reboot[03:45:01] <matthiasr|haiku> turning it off and on again helped :)[03:45:11] <matthiasr|haiku> where it = the whole machine[03:45:21] <matthiasr|haiku> now, bugfiling[03:45:25] <NathanP> I have a 20GB partition waiting for Haiku (Yes, I resized it to 20. I have secret reasons.).[03:45:35] <matthiasr|haiku> here's for recursive problem-tackling ;)[03:47:22] <umccullough> three 20gb partitions for Haiku is... perfect![03:47:40] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[03:48:10] <NathanP> Oh, no. the other 20GB's are for ZETA 1.5 and BeOS D---.[03:48:20] <umccullough> D:[03:48:23] <umccullough> fail[03:48:35] <NathanP> How so?[03:49:04] <umccullough> well, first of all... if you get beos running on that box, i'll be amazed (since it sounds pretty modern)[03:49:12] <umccullough> sata?[03:49:34] <matthiasr|haiku> comment filed, finally.[03:49:37] <NathanP> I have one SATA drive and another secret weapon.[03:49:42] <umccullough> heh[03:49:48] <NathanP> (It's not a SATA.)[03:49:57] <umccullough> the CPU speed alone will hurt ;)[03:50:01] <NathanP> (Yes, I bought this machine with things in mind.)[03:50:02] <umccullough> anyhow, zeta is just fail, IMO[03:50:08] <umccullough> i've tried it, i hate it[03:50:22] <NathanP> I know you do. You held a seminar on your hatrid for it, I think.[03:50:29] <umccullough> i did? :P[03:50:43] <NathanP> Anyways, I use it when BeOS isn't an option.[03:50:52] *** cb881 has left #haiku[03:51:09] <NathanP> Plus, I like the look of throw-up that ZETA 1.0 gives you as a decor.[03:51:24] <umccullough> heh[03:51:54] *** matthiasr|haiku has quit IRC[03:52:02] <NathanP> The machines from circa ~2004.[03:52:19] <umccullough> aha... is it p4?[03:52:23] <NathanP> Yes.[03:52:51] <NathanP> My older machine is actually newer, but less specs-wise. (64MB ATI vs the now 256MB NVidia. :) )[03:52:52] <umccullough> not as new as I thought :)[03:53:11] <umccullough> eh, video cards don't interest me these days :P[03:53:23] <umccullough> unless they are STREAM or CUDA perhaps[03:53:34] <NathanP> Hey, this has a TV tuner in it![03:53:40] <NathanP> I just noticed the cable jack![03:53:42] * umccullough shugs[03:53:45] <umccullough> shrugs even[03:53:55] <umccullough> you mean s-video out?[03:54:14] <umccullough> tv-tuner cards usually have a coax f-connector[03:54:27] <NathanP> Coax.[03:54:39] <umccullough> funky[03:54:43] <NathanP> I too quickly used my words.[03:54:55] <NathanP> Anyways, if I get BeOS working, this will be run to work with now.[03:55:20] *** matthiasr|haiku has joined #haiku[03:55:26] <NathanP> Fun.*[03:55:37] <NathanP> I had a TV tuner once.[03:55:41] <NathanP> I never installed it.[03:55:46] <matthiasr|haiku> uh now that's crisp[03:55:52] <matthiasr|haiku> DVI FTW[03:55:53] <NathanP> It's sitting in a box in my attic still.[03:56:07] *** rennj has quit IRC[03:56:42] * NathanP attached a TV antenna to his computer.[03:56:44] <NathanP> Oh, yeah.[03:56:47] <NathanP> Time to get funky.[03:57:33] <NathanP> Anyways, time to pursue my crazy dreams.[03:57:46] *** NathanP has quit IRC[03:58:07] *** rennj has joined #haiku[03:59:08] <matthiasr|haiku> is there a place to manually set the boot splash resolution?[04:02:47] *** NathanP has joined #Haiku[04:02:49] <NathanP> Don't ask.[04:04:23] <NathanP> What in God's name...[04:04:26] *** matthiasr|haiku has quit IRC[04:04:29] <gtaw> How does it feel?[04:04:39] <NathanP> Somewhat pleasurable.[04:05:08] <umccullough> matthiasr, you do that with the boot menu options to set the safe mode resolution[04:05:30] <matthiasr> umccullough: no permanent way?[04:05:35] <umccullough> not that i know of[04:05:45] <gtaw> Thats about as bad as your splash screen, NathanP :p[04:05:54] <NathanP> Splash screen?[04:05:57] <NathanP> Oh, do you mean...[04:06:08] <gtaw> No[04:06:10] <gtaw> I don't.[04:06:16] <gtaw> Das Boot[04:06:29] <NathanP> http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/7280/orphanbox2wallcopy.png[04:06:33] <NathanP> Well, you insisted...[04:06:37] <gtaw> Damn it...[04:06:44] <gtaw> I have to click on it, too :([04:06:56] <umccullough> ugh, that's almost fit for a C&D[04:09:36] <NathanP> That's my wallpaper when on Haiku. ;)[04:09:59] *** DDevine has joined #haiku[04:10:09] *** matthiasr|haiku has joined #haiku[04:10:18] <umccullough> http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/epic-fail-vanity-plate-win.jpg[04:10:59] <NathanP> Interesting plate name.[04:12:23] *** thotypous has quit IRC[04:15:14] <matthiasr|haiku> great. fixed the time zone, now it's time for bed :([04:15:28] <NathanP> Hm... I just got the craziest idea.[04:16:18] <gtaw> It will never work.[04:16:26] <NathanP> O RLY?[04:16:44] <gtaw> RLY[04:16:51] <NathanP> O RLY?[04:16:53] <gtaw> NO WAI[04:17:00] <matthiasr> http://lolthulhu.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/internet-o_rlyeh.jpg[04:17:15] <NathanP> We all saw that coming.[04:17:40] <NathanP> Anyways, if it works, will you have renewed faith in me? :p[04:18:08] <matthiasr|haiku> when we are all dead and dust the meme-bots will keep on tossing around pictures of cats putting things in things.[04:18:38] <NathanP> Quite possible.[04:23:51] *** alexsuraci has quit IRC[04:24:14] *** DDevine has quit IRC[04:26:49] *** alexsuraci has joined #haiku[04:29:55] *** rennj has quit IRC[04:37:22] *** rennj has joined #haiku[04:41:06] <matthiasr|haiku> Why am I still not in bed?[04:41:11] <matthiasr|haiku> oh, Haiku.[04:41:19] <matthiasr|haiku> I'll have another beer then...[04:43:45] <NathanP> What am I doing?[04:44:14] <NathanP> Oh, yes. Looking at my desk.[04:44:26] *** n0g4n0o has quit IRC[04:46:55] <NathanP> "PANIC!: no shell!"[04:46:58] <NathanP> Drats.[04:49:38] <NathanP> What in God's name just happened?[04:50:05] <NathanP> Oh, I got through. Huzzah.[04:51:46] *** miqlas has quit IRC[04:55:35] *** tuna has quit IRC[04:58:14] *** evdubs has joined #haiku[05:01:02] *** evdubs has quit IRC[05:01:12] *** evdubs has joined #haiku[05:04:27] <matthiasr> hmm, was there a /boot/common/bin/ on BeOS R5? and was cdrecord in there?[05:04:41] <mmadia> nope.[05:05:22] <mmadia> common is specific to Haiku.[05:05:36] <NathanP> VMWare and BeOS no longer love each other.[05:05:48] <NathanP> In 6.5, it worked flawlessly. In 7.0, nope.[05:06:18] <matthiasr> well... I never used BeOS, I'm an original Haiku user :)[05:06:42] *** cryptic has joined #haiku[05:09:10] <matthiasr> and so far... i quite like it :)[05:09:39] <matthiasr> I've seen "release quality" OSs that were less usable[05:09:58] <umccullough> indeed[05:10:00] <NathanP> You've used Gutsy Gibbon?[05:10:05] <umccullough> lol[05:10:15] <mmadia> i've been using it as a primary OS for just over a year. :)[05:10:26] <matthiasr> I started out (actively manipulating) on SuSE 6.4[05:10:34] * umccullough knows mmadia means haiku, and not gutsy gibbon[05:10:53] <NathanP> God help those who use Gutsy still.[05:11:04] <umccullough> which one was that, 8.04?[05:11:04] <NathanP> I dropped it like the plague and went back to 7.04.[05:11:09] <matthiasr> getting cdrecord to, you know, record CDs was a major PITA then[05:11:19] <NathanP> 8.04 was Hardy Heron, I believe.[05:11:22] <umccullough> ok[05:11:32] <NathanP> 7.10 = Gutsy.[05:11:55] <matthiasr> actually, I never had any major problems with any Ubuntu since, like, ever[05:11:55] <umccullough> i know several versions of ubuntu in a row busted things to the point where i gave up on ubuntu :P[05:12:17] <NathanP> In my opinion, 7.04 is still the best release of Ubuntu. :/[05:12:21] <matthiasr> (I still like my mac more, though)[05:12:41] <matthiasr> depends on what you want and need.[05:12:59] <NathanP> Anyone had a chance to give Mandriva 2010 a go?[05:13:04] <matthiasr> I wouldn't want to use ubuntu on a long-running server[05:13:31] <NathanP> I wouldn't trust Ubuntu for mission-critical projects, never.[05:13:35] <matthiasr> I use Debian for that, but on the ther hand their way-too-old software is a PITA as well[05:13:40] <umccullough> on servers, i choose either centos or debian :P[05:14:03] <NathanP> I choose CentOS because I'm more used to working with Red Hat than Debian.[05:14:12] <NathanP> (Though on the Desktop, I love Debian.)[05:14:21] <matthiasr> I spent half of today (erm, yesterday in this TZ) fixong a python script so it would run on both python 2.5 and 2.6[05:14:36] <matthiasr> 'cuz there ain't no 2.6 in Debian[05:14:51] <jmayfield> what was causing a 2.5-2.6 incompat issue?[05:14:57] <jmayfield> ah[05:15:00] <NathanP> The only think in Debian I never cared for was Iceweasel.[05:15:00] <jmayfield> wait[05:15:05] <NathanP> I don't think they even update it.[05:15:10] <NathanP> Thing.*[05:15:11] <umccullough> yeah, iceweasel kinda sucks[05:15:25] <NathanP> It's still at 3.0.6, I think.[05:15:29] <umccullough> and debian is noticeably slower than ubuntu[05:15:38] <NathanP> Though allot more stable.[05:15:42] <umccullough> right[05:15:49] <umccullough> which is why i use it ;)[05:15:57] <matthiasr> oh well, 3.0.6 is still quite ahead of BeZillaBrowser...[05:16:12] <umccullough> heh[05:16:22] <matthiasr> just sayin'[05:16:26] <umccullough> well, if they didn't demand gcc3+ and cairo...[05:16:30] <NathanP> Everything is better than BeZillaBrowser. :p[05:16:43] <matthiasr> NathanP: oh no, you ain't seen nothing yet[05:16:44] <umccullough> cairo is the biggest issue currently[05:16:48] <matthiasr> try Plan9[05:16:49] <mmadia> hi, i mmadia and i package bezilla :P[05:16:52] <NathanP> Well, we have GCC4 now, just not Cairo.[05:17:05] <NathanP> Hi, mmadia. :p[05:17:12] *** bknoedel has joined #haiku[05:17:13] <umccullough> i've personally played with the haiku cairo port and i can honestly say..yuck[05:17:30] <matthiasr> in Plan9 you're happy to find something that even understands HTML[05:17:32] <umccullough> cairo is nasty[05:17:36] <NathanP> I'm looking towards that WebKit port.[05:17:40] <umccullough> ditto[05:17:53] <NathanP> And that Qt4 port's given us Aurora, so that's a nice turn of events.[05:18:02] <umccullough> Arora[05:18:10] <umccullough> aurora is actually something different[05:18:12] <NathanP> Sorry.[05:18:20] <matthiasr> WebKit... seems like the way to go nowadays. on, like, everything[05:18:27] <matthiasr> even phones :)[05:18:55] <NathanP> I kinda' prefer Opera over WebKit.[05:19:05] <umccullough> presto! ?[05:19:06] <NathanP> Then again, I'd prefer a modern Opera port for Haiku.[05:19:15] <NathanP> Damn right, I mean Presto.[05:19:17] <umccullough> hell, if opera ported to haiku, i'd use it[05:19:34] <umccullough> at least, until a modern webkit browser existed ;)[05:19:49] <umccullough> i use Chrome at work, and love it[05:19:54] <NathanP> Gah, I'd still stick to Opera.[05:20:17] <NathanP> God, that browser includes everything out of the box.[05:20:21] <NathanP> Even a web server now.[05:20:27] <umccullough> eh[05:20:38] <NathanP> (I find that last one a bit of overkill)[05:20:39] <umccullough> the closed source nature is a turn off for me[05:20:51] <gtaw> I use notepad.[05:20:58] <umccullough> i use Notepad2[05:21:08] <NathanP> I use vim.[05:21:13] <NathanP> Does that make me an odd one out?[05:21:13] <umccullough> i use vim sometimes :/[05:21:32] <matthiasr> NathanP: no, vim here too[05:21:35] <NathanP> Well, we can't be picky over SSH, can we?[05:21:41] <umccullough> heh, nope ;)[05:21:41] <matthiasr> (is there gvim on Haiku?)[05:21:48] <umccullough> doubt it[05:22:07] <matthiasr> although I had to resort to ed the other day[05:22:12] <matthiasr> not so bad[05:22:21] <matthiasr> (srsly)[05:23:00] <NathanP> I suppose gedit works fine in place of vim.[05:23:09] <umccullough> gedit is pretty nice[05:23:28] <matthiasr> does gedit have vi modes?[05:23:39] <umccullough> dunno[05:23:48] <matthiasr> I find myself pressing esc all the time when I'm not in vim...[05:23:50] <umccullough> i only use vim when i have to[05:24:13] <NathanP> I don't know, but hey! It has a spell checker.[05:24:23] <NathanP> Pretty awesome for a text editor. :p[05:24:34] <umccullough> Pe is nice ;)[05:25:05] <NathanP> Yes, but I can't get on Haiku or BeOS easily to run it.[05:25:15] <umccullough> Pepper[05:26:51] <NathanP> I see. Sue me/[05:27:28] * NathanP goes to look into Pepper.[05:28:41] <umccullough> looks dead[05:28:57] <NathanP> Yes, I was just thinking of what RockMelt will look like.[05:29:31] *** mmadia has quit IRC[05:30:16] <umccullough> well, i'm gonna finish beer #5 and probably start beer #6 - so i'll see yall tomorrow[05:30:28] <NathanP> Take care.[05:31:50] *** triplez_ has joined #haiku[05:32:03] *** bknoedel has quit IRC[05:35:37] *** kwag has quit IRC[05:40:56] *** joeyadams has quit IRC[05:42:56] *** RandomInsano has joined #haiku[05:43:09] *** kirilla has quit IRC[05:43:33] *** NathanP has quit IRC[05:48:15] *** triplez has quit IRC[05:48:16] *** triplez_ is now known as triplez[05:50:23] *** RandomInsano has quit IRC[05:52:20] *** evdubs has quit IRC[06:00:11] <matthiasr> meh.[06:00:14] <matthiasr> bed.[06:01:43] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[06:02:10] *** matthiasr has quit IRC[06:03:47] *** matthiasr|haiku has quit IRC[06:04:15] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[06:04:20] *** Al2O3 has quit 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hi[16:55:22] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[16:55:44] <humdinger> hello[16:59:26] *** kitallis has quit IRC[16:59:31] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[16:59:41] *** bknoedel has joined #haiku[17:02:05] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[17:03:22] *** Baion has joined #haiku[17:05:29] *** vooshy has quit IRC[17:07:35] <Begasus> 'lo[17:07:49] <humdinger> hel'[17:07:55] *** witukind has quit IRC[17:08:54] <Begasus> ;)[17:09:52] <Lelldorin1> hi Begasus[17:12:33] *** bknoedel has quit IRC[17:14:18] *** dflemstr_ has quit IRC[17:14:22] <Begasus> hi Lelldorin1![17:15:02] *** dflemstr has joined #haiku[17:17:36] *** gtaw has quit IRC[17:17:59] *** dflemstr has quit IRC[17:18:25] *** dflemstr has joined #haiku[17:20:58] *** MadEchidna has joined #haiku[17:22:00] <matthiasr> I'm checking out the source tree right now (and have been for the last 4 hours...) and the whole system is badly sluggish (~10s for a new terminal window to start showing up, another 4-5 to draw it)[17:22:12] <matthiasr> is this normal?[17:22:47] <humdinger> I only check out under Linux, so I dunno about doing it in Haiku.[17:23:08] <Begasus> haven't checkout in a while here[17:23:12] <humdinger> In Linux, however, svn up locks up Firefox for 10-20 seconds at a time.[17:23:15] <humdinger> So that suck too...[17:23:36] <matthiasr> and: is there a way to find out what is stalling? top says CPU is about 60%-75% idle, so that doesn't seem to be the problem[17:24:03] <humdinger> maybe I/O contention[17:24:10] <humdinger> is the hd churning?[17:24:31] *** dflemstr has quit IRC[17:24:33] <matthiasr> I've heard worse[17:24:40] <matthiasr> I suspect network I/O[17:24:55] *** dflemstr has joined #haiku[17:25:05] *** matthiasr|haiku has joined #haiku[17:25:17] <matthiasr|haiku> ping[17:25:27] <humdinger> pong?[17:25:43] <matthiasr> hmm, better now. IRC used to be reeeaalllyy slow some time ago[17:26:10] <matthiasr> and it's not the upstream network, the macbook is on the same line and working fine[17:26:40] <humdinger> Haiku could surely do with weeks of full-time profiling...[17:28:21] <matthiasr> when SVN is done I'll try to pin down whether this is more of a disk- or a network issue[17:28:41] <humdinger> You do that. :)[17:28:49] *** Sryche has joined #haiku[17:28:52] <matthiasr> both where quite slow in VirtualBox, but there everyxthing is kinda slow most of the time[17:29:41] <humdinger> yep. nothing beats metal.[17:29:55] <humdinger> Does the new Shortcut prefs work for anyone BTW?[17:30:07] *** impy has quit IRC[17:30:32] *** Hugen has quit IRC[17:32:02] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[17:34:20] <Begasus> plop ... LGames updated ... here :P[17:45:29] *** Logic has joined #haiku[17:47:34] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[17:49:58] *** MYOB has joined #haiku[17:50:30] <matthiasr> humdinger: nope[17:50:48] <humdinger> Shortcuts? Here neither...[17:51:10] <humdinger> Mr. Modeen isn't quite there yet it seems.[17:52:56] *** demetrio has joined #haiku[17:54:43] <MYOB> anyone seen scottmc about?[17:55:22] <Begasus> not in a while MYOB[17:57:26] <MYOB> he couldn't get VLC to build at all, I've managed to now[17:58:09] <Begasus> ow! on the alpha?[17:58:15] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[17:58:17] <MYOB> yes[17:58:21] <Begasus> cool![17:58:26] <Begasus> mmadia! ;)[17:58:32] <MYOB> and DVD playback works if its built natively with current dvdnav/dvdcss[17:58:35] <mmadia> Begasus and others![17:58:54] <Begasus> with libdvdcss* MYOB?[17:59:15] <Begasus> when can we expect an update MYOB? ;)[17:59:21] <StreaK|ON> when testing builds will be avail, MYOB ?[17:59:36] <MYOB> yes, with libdvdcss Begasus[17:59:43] <Begasus> cool![17:59:43] <MYOB> got encrypted Hot Fuzz DVD playing now[17:59:57] <Begasus> great work![18:00:13] <Begasus> have you updated some portlog on haiku-ports yet? ;)[18:00:13] <StreaK|ON> indeed , awesome work[18:00:55] <MYOB> Begasus i've not done it the haikuports way, I'll need to start from scratch for that[18:01:10] <umccullough> heh, please do :)[18:01:15] <MYOB> Begasus I'm very tempted to throw a fork up on osdrawer in the interim[18:01:20] <MYOB> as this is the Very Old version[18:01:21] <Begasus> ah k .. so it looks like they are up to date then[18:01:43] <umccullough> depends on whether you intend to maintain the code :P[18:01:55] <Begasus> he's done so in the past years umccullough ;)[18:02:04] <umccullough> right, but if it's just a one-time patch...[18:02:12] <umccullough> i mean, are you going to backport changes from newer versions?[18:02:30] * Begasus leaves that to MYOB ;)[18:02:42] <MYOB> would want to backport some newer codecs[18:02:50] <umccullough> *that* would be cool :D[18:02:52] <MYOB> and fix the GUI a bit[18:03:10] <umccullough> although, i'd also like to see more codecs ported to haiku's media kit ;)[18:03:14] <MYOB> http://www.gaelstar.com/beos/dvd.png[18:03:17] <Begasus> mod and ogg playback in the alpha would be nice too ;)[18:03:36] *** demetrio has quit IRC[18:03:54] <Begasus> looks nice MYOB![18:04:24] <Begasus> reminds me of the day I first played a DVD in R5 ;)[18:04:33] <umccullough> hmm... resolution there looks nasty - is that scaled?[18:05:07] *** sprma has joined #haiku[18:05:14] <Begasus> http://users.skynet.be/Begasus/Screenshots/dvd.jpg[18:05:15] <MYOB> umccullough the image shouldn't be scaled at all, unless your browser is[18:05:36] <umccullough> i mean, like the white collars are blocky and stuff[18:05:40] <Begasus> ps .. that probly wasn't the first I saw ;)[18:05:48] <umccullough> maybe i'm just used to smoothing done by dvd decoders ;)[18:05:56] *** demetrio has joined #haiku[18:05:56] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[18:06:04] <MYOB> umccullough bitmap + no interlacing turned on by default[18:06:11] <umccullough> ok[18:06:33] <MYOB> I've a problem on the build I'm using of apps not quitting properly, so I dunno if vlc is not quitting right itself or if its Haiku[18:06:33] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:06:54] <umccullough> either way, being able to read encrypted DVDs and playback in Haiku is nice[18:07:05] <umccullough> and now I must leave for a while, ttyl![18:07:11] <Begasus> cya umccullough[18:07:33] <MYOB> I started last night trying to figure out what was wrong and getting very confused as the DVD I'd picked was unencrypted[18:07:34] <MYOB> oops[18:07:51] <Begasus> hehe[18:11:52] *** impy has joined #haiku[18:14:38] *** michaelvo has joined #haiku[18:19:07] <MYOB> right, all I've left to get working are faad (AAC) and Theora and I think newer versions of those libs might work better[18:19:32] *** sprma has quit IRC[18:19:36] <Begasus> yep ... theora has been updated not to long ago[18:19:51] <Begasus> not that it would be a fix to your problem maybe ;)[18:21:09] <MYOB> my problem right now is bezilla having died and not reopening till a reboot ;)[18:21:56] *** haiku has joined #haiku[18:22:04] <MYOB> and this box takes about 3 minutes to reboot[18:23:23] <CIA-69> axeld * r33951 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * Cleanup, no functional change.[18:23:35] <Begasus> jikes[18:24:08] <Begasus> I downloaded a newer BeZilla from the optional packages page ... only prob I have now is with some secure sites (SSL)[18:24:40] <michaelvo> far more updated than gcc2 version[18:26:02] <Begasus> ps ... that is still gcc2 ;)[18:26:35] <Begasus> I still have a (somehow outdated) gcc Haiku running on the pc[18:26:52] <Begasus> good thing I still have the needed libs for it there ;)[18:28:28] <michaelvo> yes[18:29:03] <mmadia> Begasus : did you install openssl?[18:29:12] <Hugen> Begasus: about:buildconfig into BB will help[18:29:34] <Begasus> not as a seperate package mmadia[18:30:04] <mmadia> if it's not on your system, that'd lead to ssl issues :)[18:30:14] <Begasus> it's already included mmadia (alpha 1)[18:30:22] <MYOB> I didn't think mozilla used openssl?[18:30:27] <leszek> re[18:30:28] <MYOB> does it not have its own NSS library/[18:30:40] <mmadia> good point[18:30:47] <Begasus> looks like it does MYOB ... for https ... paypall ...[18:31:38] <mmadia> you may need to delete /boot/home/config/settings/Mozilla/Firefox/Profiles/<default>/compreg.dat Begasus.[18:32:01] <Begasus> k will try[18:32:20] <mmadia> in the 2009-09-2x builds of BeZilla, there's quite a few changes -- especially with it's *.so[18:32:51] <Begasus> hmm ... still the same message on start[18:33:21] <Begasus> http://www.flickr.com/photos/begasustro/4085438594/[18:37:07] <MYOB> is anyone going to notice if I put up a theora-less build of VLC?[18:37:07] *** demetrio has quit IRC[18:37:26] <leszek> MYOB, yes :P[18:37:31] <Begasus> deppends on the downside of it ;)[18:37:43] <MYOB> it might stop people thinking its a good codec ;)[18:37:49] <leszek> whats the matter with theora ?[18:38:11] <MYOB> its not compiling, and I don't feel like figuring out why[18:38:12] <Begasus> hehe[18:38:18] <leszek> it is in fact not the best but definitely better than xvid[18:38:27] <leszek> MYOB, version 1.1 ?[18:38:35] <MYOB> leszek no, 1.0a7[18:38:38] <MYOB> as thats what VLC uses[18:38:55] <MYOB> I'm going to try update these in future but this is just to get a baseline 0.8.6i working[18:38:59] <leszek> hmm... is it possible to use an older version ?[18:39:03] <Begasus> it doesn't use an uptodate version?[18:39:19] <MYOB> Begasus this release is from early 2008[18:39:22] <leszek> Begasus, there is no need for decoding to use an up2date version[18:39:46] <Begasus> well ... there's a reason for updates on the library ;)[18:39:58] <MYOB> leszek speed[18:40:18] <MYOB> and as goes xvid, thats MPEG4 ASP. Theora pretends to be the same quality as MPEG4 AVC which it blatantly isn;t[18:40:33] <MYOB> MPEG4 ASP has its roots in early 1990s codecs[18:41:04] <Begasus> http://zeta-games.com/remository/view-details/3-libraries/14-libtheora.so.html there's a download for it MYOB .. don't know if (but I think it should) works in Haiku[18:41:13] <leszek> MYOB, there is a very good comparision of theora 1.0.x and youtubes x264(h264 MPEG4 AVC). Between them there is no big difference[18:41:15] <Begasus> for 1.0.a7[18:41:26] <leszek> with theora 1.1 its even better than that whats used on youtube[18:41:30] <Begasus> not sure if it includes the headers though[18:41:32] <MYOB> leszek youtube are not using optimal settings *at all*[18:41:38] <leszek> but in fact youtube uses an very outdated version of x264[18:41:46] <leszek> yeah sure[18:42:14] <leszek> theora is definitely below h264 , but with 1.1 not so much as it was before[18:42:30] <MYOB> I've got AAC playback working which is actually important[18:42:40] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[18:42:41] *** demetrio has joined #haiku[18:42:47] <leszek> yeah thats true[18:43:03] <Begasus> nah .. only includes the .so file there[18:43:25] <leszek> MYOB, have you tested mkvs ? Somehow I got strange errors with h264 and aac packed into mkvs. Frames are somehow skipped[18:43:29] <MYOB> Begasus I need headers also[18:43:33] <MYOB> leszek I have none to try[18:43:41] <leszek> same codec but other container (mp4 in that case) works very well[18:43:47] <MYOB> but libebml and matroska are both enabled[18:44:17] <leszek> hmm... but seems to be a vlc problem, as I also experience this problem here on my zevenos box[18:44:39] *** moochris has joined #haiku[18:44:39] *** demetrio has quit IRC[18:45:14] *** NathanP has joined #Haiku[18:45:22] <NathanP> You wann' know what's funny?[18:45:22] <leszek> btw. MYOB ever tried to fix the timeline in vlc ?[18:45:37] <NathanP> Really, Really funny?[18:45:46] <leszek> NathanP, what ?[18:45:48] <MYOB> leszek its on the long-list[18:45:52] <leszek> :)[18:45:58] <NathanP> Well, I got this computer to replace my laptop, who's harddrive failed.[18:46:08] <NathanP> And you know what I find? This system's hardrive is failing, too![18:46:14] *** demetrio has joined #haiku[18:46:14] <leszek> LOL[18:46:15] <NathanP> I LOVE THIS![18:46:30] <leszek> yeah pcs die when you need them usually[18:46:54] <MYOB> thats why you keep mutliples[18:46:54] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[18:46:57] <MYOB> multiples*[18:47:15] <NathanP> I have an external in the meantime doing backup work.[18:47:39] <MYOB> in operable condition here I've an XP Compaq, this desktop, an old desktop, a Powermac G4, a Macbook, an Acer Aspire 1 running Haiku, a Dell Latitude running R5...[18:47:57] <leszek> I have 5 pcs so I think I am very safe[18:48:14] <Begasus> no R5 here anymore ... but a few running Haiku and ZETA ;)[18:48:17] <NathanP> Heh, I have a P3 IBM NetVista, so if all else fails, I have that.[18:48:20] <leszek> but 4 of them are pretty much outdated :P[18:48:23] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[18:48:24] <NathanP> It's running Windows XP, so god help me there.[18:48:31] <leszek> hehe ;)[18:48:52] <NathanP> (I had ZETA on there, but it didn't do too well on it.)[18:49:08] <leszek> hmm... and you aren't a fan of linux ?[18:49:23] <NathanP> Oh, no, I run LInux all the time.[18:49:39] <NathanP> I just wanted to see how Windows would run on a P3 256 MB RAM, Riva TNT 2 computer.[18:49:43] <leszek> then why not putting a good linux distro onto it ?[18:49:48] <leszek> ah ok[18:49:55] <NathanP> I'm thinking of Puppy.[18:49:59] <leszek> ah no[18:50:08] <leszek> with good linux distro I meant ZevenOS :P[18:50:19] <NathanP> Thought you would. I'm waiting for 2.0, though. :p[18:50:25] *** demetrio has quit IRC[18:50:41] <NathanP> Curse you though, I was going to the download page the other day and 1.1 was gone in place of a download link of 2.0 saying "Coming soon!"[18:50:55] <leszek> yeah rc4 is runnig here actually, I think I fixed everything, so gold master is near[18:51:21] <MYOB> NathanP relatively well (the Windows on that spec PC) I'd suspect[18:51:25] *** Hugen has quit IRC[18:51:31] <NathanP> Did decent, yes.[18:51:31] <MYOB> ran similar myself for a long time[18:51:37] <NathanP> It was running ME when I got it.[18:52:20] <NathanP> It was an R5 guinea pig for awhile, and I even experimented with 4.5 with it.[18:52:43] <MYOB> www.gaelstar.com/beos/vlc-0.8.6i-Haiku.zip[18:53:16] <MYOB> thats an "RC" of sorts, not a version intended to replace the OptionalPackage. Yet.[18:53:38] <NathanP> Also, leszek, why isn't there a Zeta 1.0 theme in ZevenOS and only a 1.2 styled theme. I loved the 1.0 look. :p[18:54:34] <leszek> NathanP, hmm... If you whish you can build one[18:54:57] <leszek> NathanP, but there is a new haiku theme in zevenos 2.0 ;)[18:55:03] <NathanP> I'll be sure to do so if I find out how. How else could I survive Windows without making a WindowsBlinds skin of Zeta? ;)[18:55:14] <leszek> :)[18:55:26] <NathanP> I've noticed the Haiku theme and I'll be looking forward to it.[18:55:33] <leszek> NathanP, you could easily edit the existing ZETA GTK-Theme included in ZevenOS[18:55:56] <Yaroze> how fast does haiku boot on an SSD-drive ?[18:55:59] *** Logic has quit IRC[18:55:59] <Yaroze> ;)[18:56:04] <NathanP> Yeah, I need to rip it out of ZevenOS to also use it on my other distro's, too.[18:56:09] <leszek> Yaroze, 12 seconds on my eeepc 701[18:56:49] <leszek> NathanP, ah so it might be a good Idea to put this theme upon gnome-look.org or the ZevenOS Downloads page[18:56:55] <Yaroze> leszek: did you keep the bios-cache partition to make it boot faster?[18:57:14] <NathanP> I was hoping you would.[18:57:21] <leszek> Yaroze, I don't know about the bios-cache partition[18:57:22] <NathanP> Along with the download to the Deskbar you made.[18:58:08] <Yaroze> leszek: my eeepc has a partition that the bios use to speed up the boot[18:58:18] <leszek> NathanP, yeah the problem with the deskbar is that it needs patched libwnck packages so its not so easy to install on other distros. Damn libwnck doesn't handle vertical taskbars[18:58:38] <Yaroze> leszek: btw compared to a real ssd, the eees ssd is kinda slow[18:58:41] <leszek> Yaroze, I don't know about it , there is only one partition on the ssd[18:59:06] <leszek> Yaroze, I know its an old one, they were not so fast back that time[18:59:55] <NathanP> Hm...[19:00:22] <NathanP> I feel like trying out Kororaa on here while it's still standing.[19:00:34] <NathanP> Was always my favorite Linux distro, for some reason.[19:00:53] <leszek> NathanP, here you can find the actual ZevenOS 2.0 gtk-theme: http://www.zevenos.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=236&pid=1684#pid1684[19:00:55] <MYOB> rebooting...[19:00:57] *** MYOB has quit IRC[19:01:18] <Yaroze> leszek: do you know if haiku runs on 901 ?[19:01:25] <NathanP> Ah, you force me to register on your forums, too. :p[19:01:59] <Yaroze> leszek: "/dev/sda4 EFI 8 MB EFI (FAT-12/15/32)" thats the partition im talking about[19:03:13] <leszek> Yaroze, I don't have this one[19:03:17] *** adsf has joined #haiku[19:03:18] <leszek> deleted it I think[19:03:22] <adsf> hello ![19:03:26] <leszek> NathanP, :)[19:03:36] <Yaroze> leszek: you should get it back then, will save you several seconds at boot :D[19:03:44] <leszek> the more users visit zevenos.com the more sponsors we get[19:03:46] <adsf> how can I use jam on haiku to install to /boot ?[19:03:56] <michaelvo> what is zeven os?[19:04:05] *** MYOB has joined #haiku[19:04:06] <leszek> http://www.zevenos.com/about[19:04:17] <hUMUNGUs> linux skitt[19:04:43] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[19:05:09] <NathanP> I stopped using ZevenOS when you switched to IceWM, leszek.[19:05:20] <NathanP> I thought that set-up was a bit of a mess for me. :/[19:06:14] <Begasus> michaelvo .. there's even a gcc4 version for tuxpaint online atm ;)[19:06:22] <leszek> NathanP, yeah it was a experiment back then, we switched back to a xfce based desktop[19:08:51] <leszek> I pretty much explained also the reasons for the experiment in this ZevenOS-History Podcast: http://www.zevenos.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=292[19:09:00] <Yaroze> How well does haiku run on eee-901 ?[19:09:30] <leszek> Yaroze, should run as good as on the 701[19:09:39] <leszek> almost the same hardware, besides the processor[19:10:07] <Yaroze> so wifi, sound and ethernet works?[19:10:12] <NathanP> Ergh, it somewhat worked, leszek.[19:11:19] <MYOB> grrrrrr.... it appears I can only open bezilla once per boot now[19:11:20] <leszek> wifi should work with the wifi driver for atheros (unencrypted), sound and ethernet should work as well[19:11:41] <leszek> MYOB, try using arora, its quite stable[19:11:59] <MYOB> leszek gcc2-only system here[19:12:37] *** Ingenu_ has joined #Haiku[19:12:37] *** impulse- has joined #haiku[19:12:42] *** impy has quit IRC[19:12:45] <NathanP> leszek, any particular way you get the window bars to have the Zeta-like look?[19:12:59] <NathanP> I'm sitting with blue bars here, which look nice, I add.[19:13:23] <michaelvo> zevenos is ugly like zeta[19:13:53] <NathanP> That's an opinion.[19:13:59] <Begasus> define ugly :P[19:14:01] <leszek> michaelvo, there is a haiku theme also :P[19:14:19] <michaelvo> ugly too[19:14:21] <michaelvo> haue[19:14:23] <leszek> NathanP, you mean the window decor on gnome ?[19:14:26] <NathanP> Yes.[19:14:27] <Begasus> there are also some icon themes for it :P[19:14:37] <leszek> michaelvo, there are plenty of themes, choose the one you like[19:14:38] <Begasus> for ZETA that is :p[19:14:49] <michaelvo> What's the point do a beast like linux with Zeta theme?[19:14:52] <NathanP> I thought Zeta's 1.2+ look was pretty nice.[19:15:19] <NathanP> The 1.0 window decor... Had to grow on you to get used it. :/[19:15:24] <leszek> michaelvo, its a lightweight linux distro with plenty of extra tools for multimedia and more[19:15:37] <Hugen> gcc4 ports for gcc2hybrid is ugly too[19:15:38] <michaelvo> well .. I never used zeta here.. my mouse wasn't detect nor my videocard[19:15:44] <MYOB> gcc2 + theora's inline ASM = not fun[19:15:45] <michaelvo> haiku runs fine here[19:16:00] <NathanP> michaelvo, I went for several years with no video support in ZETA![19:16:09] <NathanP> And I still ran it non-stop![19:16:19] <NathanP> Dind't ever stop me being in ugly 1024x768.[19:16:22] <michaelvo> but the color looks oddy[19:16:22] <leszek> NathanP, if you have zevenos running the beos theme is located in ~/.sawfish/themes so you can edit the existing theme there for zevenos, for gnome metacity it is impossible[19:17:11] <Begasus> I ran R5 several years with no video support NathanP :P ;)[19:17:11] <NathanP> Aye, I keep forgetting the metacity part. My bad.[19:17:27] <NathanP> I still can't get a full-working BeOS/ZETA system![19:17:32] *** Hugen has quit IRC[19:17:34] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[19:17:41] <NathanP> My old machine never got video working, but everything else.[19:17:43] *** Hugen has quit IRC[19:17:45] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[19:17:48] <Begasus> got 1.5 running smoothly here ;)[19:17:50] <leszek> I still have a zeta/haiku/beos box running[19:17:55] *** Hugen has quit IRC[19:17:56] <NathanP> My new machine won't even work with BeOS, and ZETA hates the mouse![19:17:57] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[19:18:09] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[19:18:12] <leszek> Begasus, I have 1.5.1 b99 here :P[19:18:18] *** Hugen has quit IRC[19:18:20] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[19:18:23] <Begasus> on the laptop ZETA has been replaced with Haiku[19:18:27] <NathanP> I have 1.0-1.5 all on upgrades.[19:18:30] *** Hugen has quit IRC[19:18:32] <Begasus> I still have the updates here leszek ;)[19:18:32] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[19:18:39] <NathanP> I like to upgrade through all of them just to waste my life away.[19:18:42] <Begasus> someone PIN down Hugen! ;)[19:18:49] <Begasus> hehe[19:19:09] <NathanP> I thought 1.5 was fairly good, and the multiuser was welcomed.[19:19:14] <NathanP> Shame it was never properly done. :([19:19:35] <Begasus> yeah ... still some flaws in it .. but not to bad at all (just my 2 cnts)[19:19:53] <Begasus> on the other hand ... Haiku has progressed a LOT in the meantime[19:20:42] <NathanP> Yep, but I still enjoy Zeta and BeOS a bit more. ;)[19:21:14] <Begasus> I still keep ZETA around to do BeOS compatible ports (that work on Haiku) ;)[19:21:27] <NathanP> Most likely because I'm a backwards nutjob. I buy computer accessories with LEGACY software in mind, not modern.[19:21:35] *** mmadia has left #haiku[19:22:15] <Begasus> although I have a gcc4 Haiku setup to keep up with the future ;)[19:23:07] <Hugen> no[19:23:11] <Begasus> yes[19:23:16] <NathanP> No.[19:23:17] <Hugen> this my private spam[19:23:23] <Begasus> ;)[19:23:31] <Hugen> and freenode kick me[19:23:41] <Begasus> O_o[19:23:47] <Begasus> rofl[19:24:00] <Begasus> your spamming yourself?? ;)[19:24:09] <NathanP> Anyways, I need to re-build this machine to support Haiku and BeOS easier.[19:24:24] <NathanP> Time to visit computer shops and ask for the NOT-cutting-edge stuff![19:24:48] <Begasus> I'm glad I can run Haiku natively with video and sound (and network obviously) ;)[19:25:03] <Hugen> nop, I send log :P[19:25:09] <Begasus> ;)[19:26:20] <michaelvo> I was trying to write a radeonhd video driver but...[19:26:27] <michaelvo> Is very hard[19:26:29] <michaelvo> haueae[19:26:31] <michaelvo> I give up[19:26:32] <NathanP> I hate ATI.[19:26:34] <Begasus> hehe[19:26:42] <NathanP> With a passion.[19:26:47] <Begasus> sticking with nVidia here also ;)[19:27:00] <haiku> can't Linux drivers be re-written for Haiku?[19:27:00] <NathanP> Yes. A 256MB GeForce 6600 here.[19:27:05] <NathanP> I am now happy and content.[19:27:08] <Begasus> although it's Intel on the laptop[19:27:17] <Begasus> nice card![19:27:39] <leszek> haiku, they will be in the future, but we need to wait for gallium3d[19:27:45] <NathanP> nVidia gives me the impression it loves me when it keeps it's older drivers updated, even.[19:27:50] <haiku> I have a 8500 gt with 256 mes of dedicated ram[19:27:58] <NathanP> ATI, they dumped me on the sidestreet and stopped supporting me.[19:28:12] <leszek> hmm.... seems to only run with vesa right haiku ?[19:28:15] <NathanP> Haiku, shouldn'[19:28:25] <NathanP> t you know what you support? :p[19:28:33] <haiku> I am running in Virtual Box[19:28:41] <leszek> ah ok[19:28:41] <haiku> not bare hardware[19:28:59] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[19:29:37] <haiku> may I ask what gallium 3d is?[19:29:49] <Begasus> 3d[19:29:52] <haiku> lol[19:29:54] <NathanP> Something I am waiting for.[19:30:05] <haiku> I should have figured that out![19:30:08] <NathanP> And when it comes to prime-time, I will have a party with my 10 cats.[19:30:24] <Begasus> I'll bring my 7 dogs along NathanP :P[19:30:35] <leszek> haiku, a hardware drivers layer for writing 3d drivers for graphic cards[19:30:40] <haiku> I will bring my 3 mice too![19:30:46] * Begasus wonders what the output of that would be ;)[19:30:56] <NathanP> The easier to port drivers, the better, I suppose, eh?[19:31:05] <leszek> it should make it possible to write drivers for linux, bsd and haiku, so graphic drivers that are platform independant[19:31:20] <Begasus> nah .. we're used doing it the hard way ;)[19:31:44] <NathanP> Blargh, the hard way kept me in the video dark for ages.[19:31:58] <NathanP> Though, window dragging was slow, screen resizing was still nice and fast.[19:32:07] <leszek> but I am sure they aren't and never will be completely platform independant, gallium3d will only make it easier to port them[19:32:10] <NathanP> I loved wasting my time resizing videos in VLC. :)[19:32:19] <Begasus> hehe[19:32:58] <haiku> vlc will not run in Haiku nightly build gcc4 hybrid![19:33:01] <NathanP> He he, even with no video support, I still out-perform people with multimedia on my Zeta machine.[19:33:14] <Begasus> I loved getting a graphical screen in RH 5.1 (after ****** times of kernel compilations) :P[19:33:27] *** PacoLinux has quit IRC[19:33:45] *** adsf has left #haiku[19:34:13] *** PacoLinux has joined #haiku[19:34:15] <NathanP> I love it when people ask where to buy it and I get to reply with "No where."[19:34:18] <NathanP> Muahahahaa.[19:34:40] <Begasus> rofl[19:35:06] <leszek> nice[19:35:29] <Begasus> Mensys! :P[19:35:31] *** matthiasr|haiku has quit IRC[19:35:36] <NathanP> Mensys still has them!?[19:35:49] *** Hugen has quit IRC[19:35:55] <NathanP> Dear God, I was going to buy a copy on December but though the site was just an accidental-upload or something.[19:36:13] <Begasus> is it still up?[19:36:29] <Begasus> yep ;)[19:36:29] <NathanP> http://www.yellowtab.biz/[19:36:33] <alexsuraci> hurrah![19:36:36] <NathanP> You tell me--- What?[19:36:40] <Begasus> nah ... http://www.mensys.nl[19:36:41] <Begasus> ;)[19:36:50] <alexsuraci> toy media player now has shuffle :P[19:36:51] <Begasus> they removed the BeOS tab!!! :P[19:37:13] <NathanP> If they actually have copies of Deluxe left, I will have to buy them out.[19:37:23] <NathanP> I've always wanted a copy og Deluxe edition. :([19:37:44] <Begasus> whoot! .. they still sell Refraction! ;)[19:37:46] *** Logic has joined #haiku[19:38:02] <NathanP> http://zeta.mensys.nl/[19:38:06] <NathanP> He he he...[19:38:41] <NathanP> What page are you on?[19:38:42] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[19:38:46] <NathanP> I can't find it. :/[19:38:49] <Begasus> http://shop.mensys.nl/cgi-bin/db2www/mnl_art2.d2w/report?catname=Refraction&username=&i1=&o=&x=19:44:37&Search=BEOS&C=250[19:39:17] <Begasus> http://shop.mensys.nl/cgi-bin/db2www/mnl_art1.d2w/report[19:39:19] <Begasus> ;)[19:39:38] <NathanP> http://shop.mensys.nl/cgi-bin/db2www/mns_art2.d2w/report?catname=Zeta&username=&i1=&o=&x=19:46:49&Search=ZETA&C=250[19:39:41] <haiku> was BeOS build with gcc 2?[19:39:42] <Begasus> never owned the CD but still have a license to that[19:39:43] <NathanP> Zo-zoop![19:39:50] <NathanP> BeOS was GCC2, Haiku.[19:39:56] <haiku> is that why we need gcc2 to run BeOs apps[19:40:01] <NathanP> Yes.[19:40:06] <Begasus> LOL .. Neo[19:40:27] <NathanP> Because it's the... ONE![19:40:31] <NathanP> He he he.[19:40:40] <Begasus> he was a lovely dog though![19:40:46] <NathanP> Do you think they are still selling copies of Zeta, Begasus?[19:41:02] <Begasus> I think so NathanP ... left over copys[19:41:13] <NathanP> Would they ship to US?[19:41:28] <Begasus> that I don't know ... best to mail them if you have an interest ;)[19:41:33] <haiku> So, BeOS wanted to be a clean slate with no backwards compatibility to worry about adding complexity, yet Haiku is backwards compatible with BEOS.[19:41:36] <haiku> Hmmmm[19:41:50] <Begasus> for R1 haiku[19:41:51] <NathanP> We have a GCC hybrid, GCC 2 AND 4.[19:41:55] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[19:42:02] <NathanP> Yep, R2 is where thins change.[19:42:13] <Begasus> alpha 1 is gcc2 (with a gcc4 compiler)[19:42:14] <NathanP> Things.* Dang ergonomic keyboard.[19:42:19] <Begasus> hehe[19:42:21] <haiku> Was the alpha 1 release gcc 2 or 4 or hybrid[19:42:29] <Begasus> gcc2 hybrid[19:42:30] <NathanP> Hybrid, I think.[19:42:34] <NathanP> GCC2.[19:42:37] <NathanP> Ah, beat me, Begasus.[19:42:40] <Begasus> ;)[19:42:45] <Begasus> running it here atm ;)[19:42:50] <haiku> I installed a gcc4 hybrid over the alpha[19:43:05] *** impulse- has quit IRC[19:43:15] <haiku> so I should have used the gcc2 hybrid instead?[19:43:15] <Begasus> he ... it's a good thing it's compatible with BeOS software ... I can still run NetPenguin here ;)[19:43:16] <NathanP> Hm... Considering emaling Mensys about their Zeta supply.[19:43:33] <NathanP> I imagine R2 would lose most compatibility?[19:43:38] <Begasus> err ... gcc4 hybrid?[19:43:55] <Begasus> there's only the official alpha that is gcc2 hybrid iirc[19:44:16] <haiku> the nightly builds have gcc2, gcc4, gcc2 hybrid, and gcc4 hybrid. Which should I use[19:44:24] <Begasus> ah k[19:44:30] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[19:44:33] <Begasus> was looking for those earlier but couldn't find them[19:44:35] <Begasus> 'lo pfoetchen[19:44:54] <Hugen> tada[19:44:59] <Begasus> ;)[19:45:30] *** MegafSeven has joined #Haiku[19:45:38] <Hugen> yep, gcc4 with sdlgcc4 soft work on gcc2h now[19:45:39] <haiku> too many choices for nightly builds. Needs to show which one is the official one![19:45:56] <Begasus> that is if your libs are gcc4 also Hugen ;)[19:46:04] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[19:46:07] <Begasus> atleast the ones used by SDL[19:46:18] * NathanP considers sending the email...[19:46:29] <Begasus> just send the darn thing!!! ;)[19:46:32] <Hugen> of course without sound[19:46:43] <NathanP> I'm afraid of rejection. :p[19:46:44] <Begasus> depends on the game you are playing[19:46:46] <Hugen> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/4920[19:46:48] <Begasus> lol[19:46:56] <Hugen> this is problem with Haiku[19:47:10] <matthiasr> haiku: I installed gcc4hybrid over r1alpha1 yesterday and it works fine[19:47:23] <Begasus> ow crap from .... :P[19:47:34] <NathanP> US$[19:47:37] *** haiku has quit IRC[19:47:37] <Begasus> no probs with sound and SDL in gcc4 also here[19:47:43] <NathanP> It has a US price, so I imagine they ship.[19:47:44] <Hugen> bbl[19:47:48] <Begasus> that is (full) gcc4[19:48:03] <Begasus> only that mod and ogg files are not supported in the alpha :/[19:48:29] <michaelvo> ?[19:48:33] *** Hugen has quit IRC[19:48:34] <michaelvo> Begasus[19:48:40] <Begasus> michaelvo[19:48:47] <NathanP> Alright, sending now.[19:48:50] <Begasus> ;)[19:49:01] <NathanP> If they are actually out of stock, I expect someone here to pirate their copy. :p[19:49:03] <michaelvo> You have build SDL_mixer with libmikmod and libmodplug to have mod support[19:49:04] <Begasus> tuxmath doesn't play mod files[19:49:24] <Begasus> and fish fillets doesn't play ogg files[19:49:29] <Begasus> hmmm ...[19:49:34] <NathanP> Also, when is ZevenOS roughly expected out, leszek.[19:49:49] <Begasus> used the SDLGames pak from haiku ports[19:49:57] <Begasus> and some missing ones from here myself[19:49:58] <NathanP> If it's out soon, it could replace my main distro, Fedora when it comes out with 12. ;)[19:50:32] <Begasus> keeping with Debian here as linux distro for the time being ...[19:50:41] <Begasus> main OS also for a while[19:51:28] <NathanP> Refraction costs 100 bucks...[19:51:34] <NathanP> Is Xentronix even still around?[19:51:46] <Begasus> as an ISP or something I think ;)[19:51:52] <leszek> NathanP, may be next week, but I am not quite sure as karneval starts on 11.11 so I guess maybe the next week[19:51:55] *** kitallis has quit IRC[19:52:02] *** alexsuraci has quit IRC[19:52:12] *** Lizzie_ has joined #haiku[19:52:18] <NathanP> Copyright © 1999 - 2009 by Xentronix. Reproduction of the material included to this web site is granted only with written permission of Xentronix.[19:52:33] <NathanP> Seems like they may be.[19:52:41] <NathanP> And thanks for letting me know, leszek.[19:52:41] <Begasus> maybe they have an old stack around still ;)[19:52:54] <NathanP> 19 July 2006[19:52:54] <NathanP> Refraction® to Magnussoft[19:52:58] <Begasus> afaik it's not being developed anymore[19:53:02] <NathanP> Nothing new beyond that in news.[19:53:06] <NathanP> What ARE they selling now?[19:53:11] <Begasus> yep thought so[19:53:20] * NathanP could imagine some kind of porn business now.[19:53:32] <Begasus> OS2! :P[19:53:41] <Begasus> oh no .. eCom :P[19:54:25] <MYOB> NathanP copyright dates are often kept up to date by javascript or other scripting, its not a reliable indication[19:54:33] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[19:54:35] <NathanP> Well aware, MYOB.[19:54:39] <Begasus> ps ... did you check out AROS lately .... it's looking pretty good![19:54:44] <NathanP> But it said 2008 back in around April. :p[19:54:50] <Begasus> hehe[19:54:53] <NathanP> I'm waiting for AROS to like me.[19:55:03] <Begasus> did you try Icaros?[19:55:07] <Hugen> Anubis win[19:55:09] <NathanP> We had a scuffle a while back where I said I prefered MorphOS.[19:55:10] <Hugen> :D[19:55:14] <Begasus> hehe[19:55:39] <NathanP> Ever since, it's hated my network, mouse, video, parents, and cats.[19:55:39] <Begasus> ran Icaros earlier today in qemu (latest on BeBits) on Haiku[19:55:43] <Begasus> pretty nice[19:56:23] <Begasus> never ran it on bare metal but the progress is still going there[19:56:57] <Begasus> http://www.flickr.com/photos/begasustro/4085682948/[19:57:27] <Begasus> if someone would write a nice GUI for qemu ... that would be nice! ;)[19:57:41] <NathanP> I've ran Icaros.[19:57:45] <NathanP> Doesn't even boot.[19:57:50] <NathanP> AROS does, Icaros does not.[19:57:55] <NathanP> No matter what I do.[19:58:01] <Begasus> bugger ...[19:58:40] <NathanP> I'm going to be re-doing my hardware.[19:58:48] <Begasus> ;)[19:58:49] <NathanP> Getting a spare hardrive that BeOS will like.[19:58:57] <NathanP> (Keep RAM at 1GB for BeOS, too.)[19:59:16] <Begasus> 764MB* ? ;)[19:59:27] <Begasus> or somewhere around that region iirc[19:59:27] <NathanP> Comparing supported hardware lists.[19:59:38] <NathanP> Gah, it works at 1GB, all I need.[19:59:48] <NathanP> Oh, I have a Floppy drive.[19:59:49] <NathanP> Awesome.[19:59:50] <Begasus> my old R5 is only collecting dust here[19:59:53] <Begasus> hehe[20:00:10] <NathanP> Yes, make sure all my future computer come with floppys.[20:00:23] <NathanP> Alienware support: And would you like anything else with your build, sir?[20:00:27] <NathanP> Me: Floppies.[20:00:33] <NathanP> Alienware: What?[20:00:38] <Begasus> lol[20:00:40] <NathanP> Me: I want floppy drives me. Eight of them.[20:00:56] <NathanP> Alienware: What on earth for?[20:01:08] <NathanP> Me: Extreme Floppy boot madness.[20:01:13] <NathanP> Alienware: What?[20:01:15] <NathanP> Me: What?[20:01:17] <MYOB> NathanP I ordered a PC off Alienware years ago with a Zip 250 drive around the same time they were doing the first DVD burners[20:01:25] <MYOB> they, amazingly, sourced one[20:01:32] <Begasus> ;)[20:01:45] <MYOB> added about 400 to the price, but it wasn't for me, was for a graphics firm I was doing a nixer for[20:01:48] <Begasus> can you even get floppy's these days? ;)[20:01:58] <NathanP> You can, from Walmart.[20:02:01] <MYOB> Begasus yes, but good luck finding a board with a controller[20:02:06] <Begasus> 400 for a floppy drive!![20:02:17] <NathanP> It's worth it to place Chess Master again.[20:02:23] <NathanP> On my Win 95 machine.[20:02:26] <Begasus> hehe[20:02:37] <Begasus> create floppy images NathanP! ;)[20:02:54] <Begasus> and play them in scummvm of dosbox :P[20:02:55] <NathanP> First I need to buy a new floppy of Chess Master.[20:03:03] <Begasus> ;)[20:03:22] <NathanP> I have four BeOS R5 CD's now.[20:03:33] <NathanP> I got them from so many eBay BeOS lottery boxes.[20:03:43] <NathanP> (I just counted them up.)[20:04:01] <Begasus> only 1 here (bought from Mensys! at a fair) ;)[20:04:16] <NathanP> I got one from Purplus.[20:04:27] <NathanP> Also got a spare 4.5 from them.[20:04:38] <NathanP> That was... Three years ago.[20:04:45] <Begasus> got a *cough* 4.5 here also ;)[20:04:52] <NathanP> Planning on having BeOS power the world's networks after 2012. ;)[20:05:01] <Begasus> hehe[20:05:08] <MYOB> right, VLC built with bloody theora support...[20:05:13] <MYOB> need to test it mind[20:05:20] <NathanP> Every site will lack CSS and JavaScript![20:05:26] <Begasus> can't count the ZETA CD's I have here though :P[20:05:34] <NathanP> And they must support ONLY Swf version 2 or lower![20:05:40] <Begasus> rofl[20:06:07] <NathanP> And they must be strictly checked to be NetPositive optimized, and God help 'en if they are not.[20:06:24] <Begasus> that's about minus 99% :P[20:06:30] <MYOB> NathanP we had Flash 4, thanks :P[20:06:41] <NathanP> He he he.[20:06:52] <NathanP> We need a new Flash player.[20:06:59] <NathanP> Someone should harrass Adobe for one. :p[20:07:05] <MYOB> anyone got any obscure format media files they need tested on VLC?[20:07:06] <Begasus> for R4.5? :P[20:07:14] <MYOB> DVD, mp3, wma, aac, theora works[20:07:16] <NathanP> No, for DR3![20:07:21] <Begasus> heeh[20:07:40] <Hugen> NathanP: we have flash player o.O[20:07:42] <Begasus> no obscure things here MYOB 0_o[20:07:45] <NathanP> Yes, Gnash.[20:07:50] <NathanP> And I hate Gnash.[20:08:02] <MYOB> I've lots of obscure things on an external HDD that only mounts when it feels like it, unfortunately[20:08:02] <NathanP> I prefer a full-working player.[20:08:21] <Hugen> NathanP: sold Adobe 10mln $ for port[20:08:33] <Hugen> MYOB: maybe rmvb?[20:08:38] <Hugen> :)[20:08:43] <NathanP> How much did the Coffee House company do it for?[20:08:55] <NathanP> I'd imagine they spiked some executive drinks to acomplish it.[20:09:00] <Begasus> hmm ... it doesn't play mod files MYOB ;)[20:09:29] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[20:09:41] <MYOB> Hugen not sure it plays them at all[20:09:43] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[20:09:59] <Hugen> errrrrrrr[20:10:15] <Hugen> sold=pay NathanP[20:10:18] <matthiasr> I give up on getting the source via SVN on Haiku. It bailed out again[20:10:26] <Hugen> MYOB: sic[20:10:30] <NathanP> I know, Hugen.[20:10:44] <NathanP> I don't think Coffee House actually bought Adobe. :p[20:11:09] <Begasus> I don't think they have enough cash :P[20:11:46] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[20:11:53] <Begasus> hi tombhadAC[20:12:07] <NathanP> I wonder... Did Zeta Deluxe actually have a Gimp port?[20:12:18] <Begasus> nope[20:12:19] <tombhadAC> hi Begasus[20:12:21] <NathanP> I saw the gimp/plugins folder in Zeta.[20:12:27] <NathanP> So, they lied?[20:12:32] <NathanP> But, yellowTAB never lied.[20:12:38] <Begasus> hehe[20:12:39] <NathanP> They were honest to God.[20:13:01] <Begasus> it's not like there's a plugin folder that the actual software is around :P[20:13:18] <MYOB> Gobe Productive used GIMP plugins[20:13:21] <MYOB> ancient ones[20:13:34] <Begasus> you can only get GIMP working with the X11 zips[20:13:43] <Begasus> ah right MYOB[20:13:51] <NathanP> That's what I meant, the X server in Deluxe.[20:14:06] <Begasus> X server was never part of it afaik[20:14:47] <NathanP> It claimed to come with it, if I recall.[20:15:00] <NathanP> The Hell if I know. Allot of things never happened with Zeta.[20:15:10] <NathanP> I was looking forward to that Skycycle song deal, too.[20:15:32] <NathanP> Jamming out to a crappy band using an OS no one knows about.[20:15:52] *** Malmis_ has joined #Haiku[20:15:53] <Begasus> speaking of ... when can we expect the "Haiku song"? ;)[20:16:08] *** Malmis has quit IRC[20:16:09] <NathanP> Where's JohnathanThomposon?[20:16:21] <Begasus> dunno ... haven't seen him in the last days[20:16:23] <NathanP> He would say that I made one and it sucked and I should go to a mental clinic.[20:17:09] <Begasus> well .. with his words you would probly end up there anyway :P[20:17:24] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[20:17:31] <NathanP> I wrote a song about compiling a driver in Zeta.[20:17:38] <NathanP> An entire song for it.[20:17:42] <leszek> n8[20:17:47] <Begasus> n8 leszek[20:17:48] *** leszek has quit IRC[20:17:58] <Begasus> you'd better wrote that driver NathanP ![20:18:08] <NathanP> It was the Haiku Radeon Driver.[20:18:15] <NathanP> Couldn't get it to compile in Zeta.[20:18:18] <NathanP> I spent weeks with it.[20:18:31] <Begasus> only weeks? :P[20:18:32] <NathanP> I gave when my hardrive failed.[20:18:43] <NathanP> (Alright, a few months.)[20:19:25] *** jmayfield has joined #haiku[20:20:48] *** michail has quit IRC[20:21:11] <NathanP> Crap, all my documents are in GobeProductive format.[20:21:18] <NathanP> This is Linux.[20:21:30] <Begasus> LOL[20:21:33] <michaelvo> GOOOOOOOOOOOAAAALLLL!![20:21:44] <Begasus> who's playing michaelvo? ;)[20:22:00] <michaelvo> Fluminense and Palmeiras from Brazil[20:22:14] <Begasus> hmm ... a working AbiWord would be nice too ;)[20:22:19] <michaelvo> with this result , my SAO PAULO WILL BE CHAMPION BY THE SEVEN TIME[20:22:24] <NathanP> Me at the computer store via phone.[20:22:33] <NathanP> Guy: What can I do for you?[20:23:01] <NathanP> Me: I'd like to know if you have any spare P3/4 systems with hardware from around 2000-2003.[20:23:04] <NathanP> Guy: Why?[20:23:18] <NathanP> Me: Because I need to run BeOS on it.[20:23:23] <NathanP> Guy: What's BeOS?[20:23:37] <NathanP> Me: An operating system from around 2000.[20:23:45] <NathanP> Guy: Is it based off Unix or Linux?[20:23:56] <NathanP> Turns out, they have P3's.[20:24:05] <Begasus> hehe[20:24:13] <Begasus> doing it the hard way :P[20:24:27] <NathanP> That's commitment.[20:24:36] <NathanP> I went to a flea market and saw this IBM NetVista for sale.[20:24:47] <NathanP> The guy tried to tell me it was recent year and very fast.[20:24:51] <NathanP> I saw the P3 logo.[20:24:53] <Begasus> rofl[20:24:54] <NathanP> And Windows ME logo.[20:25:00] <NathanP> He thought he was deceiving me![20:25:10] <NathanP> But I bought it not for Windows, but for BeOS![20:25:15] <michaelvo> hahahahaha[20:25:29] <michaelvo> thief[20:25:32] <Begasus> wtg![20:25:32] <michaelvo> haha[20:25:41] <HeTo> NathanP: and paid 200 € for it?[20:25:45] <Begasus> k .. tv time (classics) ;)[20:25:46] <NathanP> 50.[20:26:17] <NathanP> He left his OS on there intact.[20:26:19] <NathanP> Windows ME.[20:26:22] <NathanP> Nice family pictures.[20:27:20] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[20:28:02] <NathanP> I decided to spend the week on Windows ME.[20:28:09] <NathanP> I installed IE 6...[20:28:26] <NathanP> Checked out my awesomly expired copy of McAfee.[20:28:32] <michaelvo> Windows ME = shit[20:28:56] <NathanP> It introduced some nice tools, though.[20:29:04] <michaelvo> Windows by itself is very bad... but Windows ME surpasses[20:29:12] <NathanP> I hate Windows, to be honest.[20:29:16] <NathanP> I HATE it.[20:29:21] <NathanP> Always causing trouble.[20:29:36] <michaelvo> I only use now to play PES or FIFA games[20:29:57] <NathanP> Oh, someone shut off their Malware software because it wasn't liking a cheap Smiley Icon program they downloaded,[20:29:58] <jmayfield> look\at\my\sweet\escape\char\path\separators[20:30:12] <NathanP> Oh, they didn't upgrade in years (It happens.)[20:30:17] <ziomatto> michaelvo: buy an xbox for that ;-)[20:30:37] <NathanP> Who do they call? Me?[20:30:44] <NathanP> Who do I call? Someone else.[20:30:54] <NathanP> And the cycle continues.[20:31:00] <michaelvo> heuae[20:31:18] <HeTo> jmayfield: I think you can partly blame IBM for that[20:31:46] <NathanP> I got so fed up with a family member's computer, I grabbed it, installed Ubuntu over the Windows install, added Wine and there ya go.[20:31:49] *** raichoo has quit IRC[20:31:56] <MYOB> http://gaelstar.com/beos/vlc-0.8.6i-Haiku.zip anyone care to check if that runs?[20:33:13] <NathanP> Eh, apologies for the ranting and talking.[20:33:20] <NathanP> I just noticed the chat is a wall of my nick.[20:33:24] <HeTo> http://blogs.msdn.com/larryosterman/archive/2005/06/24/432386.aspx[20:33:46] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[20:33:51] <jmayfield> NathanP, if nobody else is talking, its their problem[20:34:47] *** MadEchidna has quit IRC[20:36:05] <humdinger> MYOB: I just tested your VLC, but I got no sound. not with MP3 nor some videos.[20:36:30] <MYOB> humdinger thats strange.... could you check the messages window?[20:36:44] <MYOB> theres no reason that sound would be gone across the board unless theres a media kit issue[20:36:52] <Begasus> doesn't play dvd here MYOB[20:37:34] <Begasus> [00000244] access_file access error: file /dev/disk/atapi/1/master/raw is empty, aborting[20:37:35] <Begasus> [00000242] main input error: no suitable access module for `dvdnav:/dev/disk/atapi/1/master/raw'[20:38:09] <MYOB> Begasus running the i release? its doesn't update the entry in the deskbar or anything[20:38:16] <humdinger> MYOB: See http://haiku.pastebin.com/d520c0359[20:38:26] <humdinger> MYOB: don't judge the music... :)[20:38:33] <Begasus> yep MYOB .. the one you just linked[20:38:35] *** MegafSeven has quit IRC[20:38:42] <Begasus> VLC media player 0.8.6i Janus[20:38:53] <jmayfield> judge![20:38:56] *** redblue has quit IRC[20:39:04] <MYOB> humdinger thats sending audio to the media kit anyway[20:39:27] <MYOB> check that your sound is working otherwise then poke in Cortex ?[20:40:02] *** matthiasr|haiku has joined #haiku[20:40:12] *** matthiasr|haiku has quit IRC[20:40:13] <MYOB> Begasus is the DVD mounted?[20:40:15] <humdinger> MYOB: I just see/hear that vlc-0.8.6d is silent as well. Works all in MediPlayer[20:40:28] <MYOB> humdinger thats something with your setup then ;)[20:40:33] <matthiasr> oh my. now that I decide to reboot the network came back...[20:40:44] <Begasus> yes MYOB[20:40:53] <humdinger> I prefer MediaPlay anyway[20:41:19] *** Sryche has quit IRC[20:41:42] <Hugen> MYOB: thx, I checked[20:41:54] <MYOB> Begasus make sure theres no libdvdcss/libdvdnav in /boot/common or boot/home/config/lib[20:41:58] <michaelvo> I succed in build mplayer for haiku[20:42:04] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[20:42:07] <michaelvo> but don't play nothing yet[20:42:11] <MYOB> and that you didn't drop this in on top of an old install[20:42:25] <MYOB> (of vlc)[20:42:30] <michaelvo> mplayer and qmms[20:43:03] <Hugen> brb[20:43:20] *** Hugen has quit IRC[20:43:28] <Begasus> nothing of that kind MYOB[20:43:42] *** matthiasr|haiku has joined #haiku[20:43:50] <MYOB> Begasus I'm at a loss then[20:44:00] <MYOB> let me check something[20:44:32] <matthiasr> matthiasr|haiku: http://gaelstar.com/beos/vlc-0.8.6i-Haiku.zip[20:45:09] <michaelvo> I'm downloading[20:45:12] <HeTo> http://neosmart.net/blog/2009/watch-youtube-videos-in-html5/ does Arora support HTML5 videos on Haiku?[20:45:29] <michaelvo> Arora is very unstable still[20:45:47] <MYOB> Begasus its dynamically loading the DVD libraries, and the package script assumes static. oops.[20:46:27] <Begasus> I'll take your word on that MYOB ;)[20:46:57] <NathanP> Hmm...[20:47:00] *** noisetonepause has joined #haiku[20:47:03] <NathanP> Looking for a ZETA LiveCD.[20:47:16] <NathanP> Oh, wait. All installers are LiveCD's, if I recall.[20:47:19] <Begasus> still have a few of them here ;)[20:47:35] <MYOB> http://gaelstar.com/beos/libdvd.zip[20:47:40] <MYOB> Begasus unzip that to /boot/common[20:47:48] <MYOB> boot/common/lib *[20:47:52] <NathanP> I think I'm going to need a copy of 1.21. I can't find it.[20:48:18] <Begasus> hmm .. it's inside a folder MYOB[20:48:29] <Begasus> do I copy the contents of that to /boot/common/lib?[20:48:40] <MYOB> eh, yes... its not my night is it[20:48:48] <MYOB> copy the contents of that to /boot/common/lib[20:48:50] <Begasus> np ;)[20:49:30] <Begasus> still the same[20:50:34] <MYOB> grrr[20:50:58] <MYOB> so you've got libdvdcss.so, libdvdnav.so, libdvdread.so under /boot/common/lib now? close/reopen VLC[20:51:34] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[20:51:41] <Begasus> k try'd another DVD[20:51:44] <Begasus> that one is working[20:51:53] <Begasus> probly the first one is encrypted[20:51:58] <MYOB> encrypted is irrelevant[20:52:03] <MYOB> it should work either way][20:53:03] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[20:53:13] *** Andrius has quit IRC[20:54:22] <NathanP> Hm...[20:54:31] <NathanP> One thing I actually don't have is MediaFire Pro.[20:54:33] <Hugen> MYOB: rmvb still not working on new vlc :([20:54:37] <NathanP> Dear God, I'd pay for that one.[20:54:48] <MYOB> Hugen its not supported at all, thats why[20:54:55] <MYOB> NathanP I've got a serial for that SOMEWHERE[20:55:11] <MYOB> freebie off Bernd for doing the VLC build for 1.21 and 1.5[20:55:13] <NathanP> If you actually do find it, I beg you, share the hell out of it.[20:55:45] <MYOB> suspect its on the old SATA HDD on the shelf beside me[20:55:55] <Hugen> MYOB: but VLC 1.0 supports that[20:55:57] <Begasus> I still have the iso for that one here NathanP ;)[20:56:10] <MYOB> Begasus try the first DVD again and pastebin the message window if it fails[20:56:14] <MYOB> Hugen and this is VLC 0.8.6 ;)[20:56:26] <NathanP> I've been wanting to get full advantage of MediaFire for years.[20:56:31] <Begasus> already at it MYOB ... looks like it just halted now :s[20:56:34] <Hugen> MYOB: I know that[20:56:40] <Begasus> no progress .. .no terminal output ..[20:56:40] <NathanP> Should have bought it when Magnussoft was still selling it.[20:56:48] *** judgen has joined #haiku[20:56:51] <Hugen> 0.8.6i[20:57:02] <Hugen> MYOB :P[20:57:32] <Begasus> and now it freezed ...[20:57:34] <NathanP> In the mean time...[20:57:44] <MYOB> Begasus can I be the one to blame your DVD drive? :P[20:57:45] * NathanP looks down at his P3.[20:58:07] <Begasus> not if it plays the other DVD MYOB :P[20:58:20] <MYOB> Begasus dodgy firmware = some dodgy discs[20:58:25] <MYOB> I've tested a rake of discs here[20:58:44] <Begasus> np ... doesn't seem to like the da vinci code :P[20:58:58] <NathanP> Seems fitting. :p[20:59:01] <MYOB> that could be encrypted beyond what dvdcss can crack[20:59:05] <Begasus> ;)[20:59:24] <NathanP> I'm currently looking through shelves and boxes.[20:59:24] <NathanP> I'[20:59:30] <NathanP> I've misplaced my 1.21 CD.[20:59:56] <MYOB> I don't like and hence don't own any modern blockbuster DVDs so I've never encountered the newer encryption/datafucking mechanisms[21:00:03] <Begasus> heard that before NathanP ;)[21:00:12] <NathanP> Where?[21:00:18] <Begasus> trying the gladiator .. that one worked in R5 :P[21:00:26] <NathanP> It's around here somewhere, I know it.[21:00:43] *** Hugen is now known as Hugen_brb[21:00:44] <NathanP> Might be in the closet where I put some R5 software I didn't use anymore.[21:01:43] <Begasus> hmmm ... same message as the first one MYOB[21:01:53] <Begasus> I KNOW this worked in R5 :P[21:02:52] <MYOB> Begasus if its not picking up the decryption libs it does that[21:03:24] <Begasus> what I don't know is if the firmware for the DVD player has been set (haven't used it much on the laptop)[21:03:31] <Begasus> eg .. region[21:03:35] <MYOB> that can also be a problem[21:03:47] <MYOB> my old Sony drive never worked till that was done[21:03:57] <MYOB> right, I need another tester then it seems...[21:04:04] <Begasus> I know I had to set that with the first dvd player I used on a pc[21:04:22] <MYOB> *pulls old Compaq off shelf*[21:05:29] <The123king> i never realised what sort of tat Magnussoft make nowadays :([21:05:51] <matthiasr|haiku> MYOB: I'm trying, but I first want to confirm that media playback in general&sound in particular work...[21:06:02] <matthiasr|haiku> just ain't got no media at hand[21:06:57] <judgen> hmm is there no linux distro that comes with ralink drivers by default....[21:06:57] * matthiasr|haiku is iPod generation. barely any physical data storage any more[21:07:17] <matthiasr|haiku> ubuntu, debian...[21:07:40] <matthiasr|haiku> basically, anything that has wifi on an eee 901 or such :)[21:10:10] <matthiasr|haiku> ok, sound is indeed working...[21:11:20] <MYOB> forgot this old Compaq has the hardest to open DVD drive known to man[21:11:29] <MYOB> had to wedge it open with my ehic card[21:12:11] <CIA-69> axeld * r33952 /haiku/trunk/src/system/boot/platform/bios_ia32/menu.cpp: * Minor cleanup.[21:13:03] <NathanP> That reminds me.[21:13:18] <NathanP> What ever happened to the OpenJDK port?[21:18:33] <CIA-69> axeld * r33953 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)[21:18:33] <CIA-69> * Added the possibility to debug latency issues with spinlocks.[21:18:33] <CIA-69> * When DEBUG_SPINLOCK_LATENCIES is 1, the system will panic if any spinlock is[21:18:33] <CIA-69> held longer than DEBUG_LATENCY micro seconds (currently 200). If your system[21:18:33] <CIA-69> doesn't boot anymore, a new safemode setting can disable the panic.[21:18:34] <CIA-69> * Besides some problems during boot when the MTRRs are set up, 200 usecs work[21:18:38] <CIA-69> fine here if all debug output is turned off (the output stuff is definitely[21:18:59] *** MadEchidna has joined #haiku[21:20:46][21:20:57] <matthiasr|haiku> MP3 that is[21:24:39] *** NathanP has quit IRC[21:25:06] *** Hugen_brb is now known as Hugen[21:30:35] *** impy has joined #haiku[21:31:32] *** PasNox has quit IRC[21:33:53] *** Hugen has quit IRC[21:34:30] <MYOB> matthiasr|haiku Messages window to pastebin please[21:34:45] <MYOB> I suspect this is a media kit issue as its playing sound everywhere else[21:36:52] <matthiasr|haiku> http://pastebin.com/m438e11fb[21:37:01] <matthiasr|haiku> MediaPlayer worked[21:37:19] <matthiasr|haiku> on the same file[21:39:04] <MYOB> Begasus laptop can play DVDs fine (albeit its CPU is too bloody slow)[21:39:09] <MYOB> so I think its your drive[21:40:55] *** fhein has quit IRC[21:41:22] <Begasus> it plays the *caugh* copy of a DVD here ;)[21:41:28] <Begasus> just not an original[21:42:24] <MYOB> matthiasr|haiku does the position slider move?[21:42:32] *** The123king has quit IRC[21:42:43] *** skarmiglione has joined #haiku[21:42:46] <matthiasr|haiku> everything looks normal, there's just no sound[21:43:01] *** The123king has joined #haiku[21:43:01] <MYOB> check Cortex and make sure the output's conncted[21:43:26] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[21:43:36] <MYOB> should appear as 'player' with a traffic cone[21:44:06] <MYOB> also check the included VLC (if there is one) to see if it gives sound at all[21:44:31] *** judgen has quit IRC[21:44:36] <matthiasr|haiku> none included[21:44:51] <matthiasr|haiku> in /boot/apps at least[21:44:56] <MYOB> Demos->Cortex and check to see whats going on then[21:45:14] <matthiasr|haiku> ok, I started cortex while it was playing and vlc crashed[21:45:58] <MYOB> theres something buggered with your media kit, methinks[21:46:06] <MYOB> OSS or native sound?[21:46:33] <matthiasr|haiku> uh, no idea. "just worked"[21:46:53] <MYOB> thats native then[21:47:00] <Begasus> working on tuxpaint atm ..[21:47:13] <MYOB> preferences->media and tell me what the driver is called?[21:47:33] <matthiasr|haiku> Auvia 8237[21:47:41] <Begasus> HD audio here[21:48:24] <matthiasr|haiku> ok, it's connected in cortex[21:48:41] <matthiasr|haiku> (works if I first start cortex, then vlc)[21:49:30] *** Captain_Pike has joined #haiku[21:49:41] <MYOB> you're both on R1/Alpha1 I guess?[21:49:57] *** NathanP has joined #Haiku[21:50:26] <Begasus> yep[21:50:29] *** pulkomandy has joined #haiku[21:50:32] *** alexsuraci has joined #haiku[21:50:35] <matthiasr|haiku> r33939[21:50:36] <NathanP> Hmmm...[21:50:47] <matthiasr|haiku> upgraded from r1a1[21:50:48] *** cianduffy_ has joined #haiku[21:50:52] <cianduffy_> ...as Haiku blows up[21:50:56] *** MYOB has quit IRC[21:50:59] *** cianduffy_ is now known as MYOB[21:51:04] <NathanP> I'm considering making all my sites lack CSS and JavaScript, then deny access to all browsers except NetPositive.[21:51:16] <NathanP> Anyone know how I'd go about that?[21:51:30] <matthiasr|haiku> ok, now it's not working in mediaplayer either any more... reboot. brb[21:51:36] *** cryptic__ is now known as cryptic[21:51:40] *** matthiasr|haiku has quit IRC[21:52:01] <MYOB> jesus, this laptop can't even play vob files off HDD[21:52:05] <Begasus> NathanP .. check browser .. then deny! :P[21:52:23] <matthiasr> ah, on reboot it complained about media_server having crashed[21:52:34] <NathanP> What's the browser identification for N+, though?[21:52:48] <MYOB> Mozilla 2.0/NetPositive or something like that[21:52:48] *** matthiasr|haiku has joined #haiku[21:53:30] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[21:53:44] <NathanP> Yes, I made new Optimized for NetPositive Gif's just for this.[21:55:31] <matthiasr|haiku> MYOB: still the same. everything looks fine, there's just no sound[21:57:32] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[21:57:39] <MYOB> matthiasr|haiku are you on R1A1?[21:58:05] <matthiasr|haiku> r33939 nightly build, installed over r1a1[21:58:18] <MYOB> there goes another suspicion then...[22:01:53] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[22:02:06] <MYOB> if you could grab the VLC optional package and give that a go, I need to try down if this is my build or all builds[22:03:12] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[22:04:01] <matthiasr> where can I find those optional packages? (sorry, n00b question)[22:04:09] *** Lizzie_ has left #haiku[22:04:17] <MYOB> erm. I dunno offhand...[22:04:43] <MYOB> http://haiku-files.org/files/optional-packages[22:05:22] <NathanP> How is BeOS under Qemu?[22:06:52] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[22:06:58] <MYOB> I'm getting sound on r33886 (native emu driver) and r32940 (native HDA driver) so its neither a specific revision or driver fault[22:07:42] <MYOB> other machine has no sound even under OSS so can't check there[22:08:25] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[22:08:46] *** humdinger has quit IRC[22:11:20] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[22:11:25] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[22:12:27] <matthiasr|haiku> MYOB: same with the optional package VLC[22:12:39] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[22:12:43] <MYOB> matthiasr|haiku right, then its nothing broken with this build, then[22:12:50] <matthiasr|haiku> I should mention that this is r33939-gcc4hybrid[22:12:53] <MYOB> not like I didn't build the optional package one also....[22:13:01] <MYOB> ah, that could, but shouldn't have a bearing on it[22:13:07] <MYOB> Begasus *poke*[22:14:30] <Al2O3> well, tried to run sweet16 on haiku, no such luck.[22:14:30] <Begasus> MYOB *poke* back ;)[22:14:30] <MYOB> I have absolutely no desire to build the entire thing and all its dependencies for GCC4 so if its not working gcc4hybrids, you can just report a bug :P[22:14:43] <MYOB> Begasus you using a gcc4hybrid?[22:14:47] <Al2O3> sent an email to eric sheppard, would be great if others that like apple ][ emulation did the same and let him know it would be great to have it on the system.[22:14:52] <Begasus> nope .. plain alpha 1[22:15:01] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[22:15:15] <MYOB> and it was you having no sound also wasn't it?[22:15:28] <Begasus> it wasn't working ;)[22:15:34] <Begasus> so couldn't test if there was sound ;)[22:15:58] <Begasus> oh sec ... on the *copy'd* DVD sound worked[22:16:14] <MYOB> oh right - who else had sound problems then? I've lost my IRC log cause of the crash[22:17:02] <MYOB> humdinger was it?[22:18:01] <matthiasr|haiku> yes[22:18:29] <MYOB> right, anyone know what he uses?[22:18:47] <Begasus> not sure[22:19:29] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[22:21:31] *** alexsuraci has quit IRC[22:22:05] <matthiasr> MYOB: http://pastebin.com/m31936b20[22:22:40] *** alexsuraci has joined #haiku[22:25:55] *** NathanP has quit IRC[22:30:42] *** binaryimpulse has quit IRC[22:30:50] <Begasus> g'night peeps![22:31:43] <Hugen> cya[22:31:53] *** Logic has quit IRC[22:31:57] <Begasus> plop[22:32:03] *** Begasus has quit IRC[22:36:19] *** xvedejas has joined #haiku[22:36:56] <kirilla> hey[22:36:56] *** [r4]_ has joined #haiku[22:38:05] *** haiku has joined #haiku[22:39:01] <kirilla> bbl[22:39:03] *** kirilla has quit IRC[22:39:40] *** qyellow has joined #haiku[22:40:28] <haiku> Sup'[22:41:14] *** Baion has quit IRC[22:42:26] <Hugen> cya[22:42:37] *** Hugen has quit IRC[22:43:21] *** Shoozza is now known as shoozza[22:44:15] <haiku> Do you think it would be ok if I sold Haiku CD's, posters, and logos on ebay to raise money for future development of Haiku?[22:44:56] <haiku> Of course I would let the buyers know the OS is still Alpha quality, not for production machines![22:45:40] <umccullough> if you're buying and re-selling them, that's fine[22:45:51] <umccullough> if you're creating them, there will be a problem[22:45:53] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[22:46:18] <haiku> there will?[22:46:36] <haiku> I thought this is an open source project?[22:46:46] <umccullough> if they use haiku trademarks, i suspect there will be, yes[22:46:53] <haiku> I, I forgot about the propietary parts, my bad[22:47:06] <umccullough> if you're just selling the pre-alpha ISOs on CD-R, i suspect nobody will care[22:47:39] <umccullough> and if you're just making them for handing out or personal use, probably nobody will care either - it's the part where you're collecting money that makes it iffy[22:47:44] <haiku> Linux is trademarked, and Linus does not care if the Tux is bundled![22:48:12] <haiku> oh, I see[22:48:14] <haiku> cool[22:48:25] <umccullough> and frankly, i don't consider the Linux name to be a very strong trademark[22:48:39] <umccullough> i doubt you could get away with selling Red Hat merchandise[22:48:41] <haiku> No, it would be done as a fund raising event[22:48:53] <haiku> Ubuntu? lol[22:49:07] <jmayfield> walmart? lol[22:49:09] <umccullough> ditto, making and selling ubuntu merchadise might get you in trouble ;)[22:49:45] <umccullough> anyhow, if you want to suggest something, you would probably want to do so on the public mailing list[22:49:58] <umccullough> that way enough people can evaluate and consider the options[22:50:10] <haiku> So I could sell the OS if I name it something else, and create my own logo?![22:50:23] <umccullough> ... that's not what I meant[22:50:28] <haiku> lol[22:50:33] <haiku> I know[22:50:34] <umccullough> but yes[22:50:46] <umccullough> you can sell Haiku's official alphas if you want[22:51:06] <haiku> what about the final release?[22:51:13] <haiku> R1[22:51:13] <umccullough> sure, i think that would be fine[22:51:23] <haiku> ok[22:51:33] <umccullough> it's a question of what imagery you use on the CD though[22:51:39] <haiku> just wanted to make sure.[22:51:52] <haiku> prabably blank[22:51:53] <umccullough> since you'll likely be competing directly with Haiku, Inc. to sell them for fund raising[22:52:02] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[22:52:32] <haiku> the money would go to Haiku inc., so I should think they would not care.[22:52:53] <umccullough> in that case, perhaps Haiku, inc. should be the ones selling them :)[22:53:03] <haiku> I suppose[22:53:20] <haiku> I just thought the more exposure the better.[22:53:21] <umccullough> but anyhow, you can certainly mention your plans on the mailing list and i'm sure several people would be interested to discuss it[22:53:35] <haiku> sure[22:53:40] <MYOB> umccullough you got a gcc2 or 4 based system there[22:53:40] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:53:58] <umccullough> MYOB, right now my netbook is running r1/alpha1 - so gcc2hybrid[22:54:20] <MYOB> I'm trying to find gcc4hybrid users to see if theres a standard VLC sound problem there[22:54:24] <CIA-69> scottmc * r467 / (4 files in 3 dirs): Moved beporter to haikuporter, updated tuxpaint patch, fixed sdl-ttf so that it now builds the .so lib.[22:54:26] <haiku> so when R1 is released, it will be for free or for a price[22:54:28] <umccullough> haiku, once R1 is final, i suspect we'll be replicating a large number of discs anyway[22:54:46] <umccullough> well, R1 will be free - but I think you're asking about pre-made CDs right?[22:54:56] <umccullough> we cannot afford free[22:55:00] <haiku> no, download[22:55:06] <umccullough> oh definitely free[22:55:11] <haiku> ok[22:55:30] <umccullough> we'll probably do volume replication on discs - 1000 at a time[22:55:33] <haiku> I will buy a cd once Haiku R1 is released[22:55:47] <haiku> I may buy Alpha 2[22:56:20] <mmadia> ... shipping those won't be fun though[22:56:29] <haiku> yea[22:56:39] <umccullough> a couple of us have discussed possibly doing plain-looking discs with just black lettering on the labels, and then also a smaller number of nice full-color discs in nice cases[22:56:50] *** moochris has quit IRC[22:57:01] <umccullough> the plain discs would be super-cheap and suitable for give-aways at shows[22:57:04] <haiku> should charge like $5 for download to cover their costs.[22:57:21] <umccullough> nah, no need to charge for download[22:57:33] <umccullough> what costs are the creation and shipping of discs :([22:57:49] <umccullough> we'll see how the demand goes for alpha 2 and beyond[22:57:59] <umccullough> maybe we drop the price for alpha 2[22:57:59] <haiku> disks need to go[22:58:28] <haiku> they need to make ultra cheap but high quality flash drives[22:58:33] *** zvacet has joined #haiku[22:58:45] <umccullough> yes, releasing USB keys with haiku on them is another option[22:58:47] <haiku> put the OS on flash drive[22:58:54] <umccullough> at least then it can be formatted and re-used if desired[22:58:54] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[22:59:04] <umccullough> we've looked into it[22:59:09] <MYOB> how do you assign a HVIF icon to something?[22:59:11] <haiku> gtg[22:59:20] *** haiku has quit IRC[22:59:29] *** rkbm has quit IRC[23:02:00] <MYOB> figured it out...[23:02:06] <OmniMancer> MYOB I think the filetypes or sommat[23:05:58] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[23:07:41] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[23:08:45] *** mmadia has quit IRC[23:10:01] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[23:10:14] *** cb88 has joined #haiku[23:11:41] *** [r4]_ has quit IRC[23:14:47] *** pulkomandy has quit IRC[23:18:37] *** Captain_Pike has quit IRC[23:18:53] *** zvacet has left #haiku[23:21:22] *** kokito has joined #haiku[23:22:02] <kokito> howdy[23:22:06] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[23:23:58] *** shoozza is now known as Shoozza[23:24:54] *** killermouse0 has quit IRC[23:25:00] *** duglia has joined #haiku[23:25:18] <duglia> good evening all[23:25:51] <duglia> can someone help me with audio on haiku r1 alpha 1?[23:27:48] <luroh> duglia: don't ask to ask, just state your problem and let people dig in if they can[23:28:26] <OmniMancer> he wasn't asking to ask so much as asking if anyone in here could help him.[23:28:34] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[23:28:43] <duglia> well, i put in a ensoniq es1371 that is recognised by listdev, but it doesn't work[23:28:46] <kokito> duglia: we can try. what;s the problem?[23:29:09] <duglia> i tried to install oss but osstest tell me there's a I/O error[23:29:26] <umccullough> i think haiku has a driver for es1371 already[23:29:28] <kokito> duglia: does the device appear in the media preference applet?[23:29:45] <kokito> hey umccullough[23:29:48] <duglia> wait a moment, i'll take a look[23:29:48] <umccullough> yo[23:30:10] <umccullough> also, after checking media prefs, do an ls /dev/audio/hmulti from a terminal[23:30:36] <duglia> device doesn't appear in media preferences[23:30:58] <umccullough> btw, listdev just scans the PCI bus and dumps what it finds[23:31:11] <luroh> hmm, the es1371 is the one i use in vmware, it has always required oss[23:31:18] <umccullough> has it?[23:31:24] <duglia> yes, i used it to see if hardware was recognised[23:31:26] <luroh> i don't think haiku has a native driver for it[23:31:38] <umccullough> thought someone added one...[23:32:09] <duglia> i chose that soundcard because i thought it was like a rtl8139 for network cards[23:32:10] <umccullough> at least, i thought that was why mmu_man added code in OSS to check for a native es1371 driver before initializing[23:32:23] <umccullough> i am of course, probably completely wrong :)[23:32:26] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[23:32:32] <luroh> duglia: you're not running a gcc4 version, are you?[23:32:46] <umccullough> luroh, indeed, i don't see an es1371 driver native[23:32:46] <luroh> oss is only available for gcc2 haiku, iirc[23:33:02] <umccullough> hmm, i think oss should work on gcc4 haiku also, since it's all written in C[23:33:03] <kirilla> hello everyone[23:33:08] <kirilla> luroh, umccullough[23:33:12] <umccullough> although, the media node probably is not[23:33:17] <duglia> i run the latest x86 iso image from website[23:33:27] <umccullough> the iso comes in different flavors[23:33:54] <umccullough> duglia, do you mean the ones on the get-haiku page?[23:34:01] <umccullough> or the ones on haiku-files.org?[23:34:02] <duglia> yes[23:34:02] <kokito> there is code for the es1730 in the repo[23:34:15] <duglia> i am re-opening the webpage[23:34:28] <umccullough> oh[23:34:38] <umccullough> es1370 is the driver used by qemu IIRC[23:34:43] <umccullough> es1371 is actually different[23:34:46] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[23:34:51] <luroh> duglia: if you could post the actual link to the file you downloaded, that would be helpful[23:34:59] <duglia> haiku-os.org -> get haiku[23:35:24] <umccullough> that would be the R1/Alpha 1 ISO then - which should be gcc2hybrid[23:35:29] *** krabador has joined #haiku[23:35:35] <luroh> right[23:35:51] <duglia> yes[23:36:06] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[23:36:08] <duglia> excuse me for my basic english, but i'm not a mother tongue[23:36:20] <luroh> and oss, where did you get that from?[23:36:32] <umccullough> ah, yes, that's a good question too :)[23:37:04] *** noisetonepause has quit IRC[23:37:10] <duglia> followed an italian howto[23:37:20] <umccullough> was it this one? http://revolf.free.fr/beos/oss-beos-v4.2-rc4-20090820.zip[23:37:30] <duglia> revolf.free.fr/something , anyway :)[23:37:34] <duglia> yes[23:37:37] <umccullough> well, there are a bunch of them there[23:37:47] <umccullough> was that the exact filename?[23:37:51] <duglia> i chose the last one in terms of date[23:37:59] *** korli has joined #haiku[23:37:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[23:38:12] <duglia> so, yes it's the one you mentioned[23:38:25] <duglia> the rc4[23:38:49] <umccullough> the person to ask is mmu_screen, but he's at a conference today[23:38:50] <luroh> duglia: perhaps try the "official" http://haiku-files.org/files/optional-packages/OpenSound-x86-gcc2-2008-06-21.zip[23:39:04] <luroh> it sort of works in vmware, at least[23:39:21] *** jan__64 has joined #haiku[23:39:23] <duglia> i am using a "real" installation on an old pc[23:39:30] *** jan__64 has quit IRC[23:39:31] *** cb88 has quit IRC[23:41:52] <duglia> for install that package i should go with unzip blablabla.zip -d /boot like i did with the other package?[23:42:27] <luroh> right, or just use the expander application[23:42:27] <MYOB> https://gaelstar.com/beos/vlc-0.8.6i-Haiku.zip that should be usuable for anyone on gcc2 / gcc2hybrid now[23:42:48] <MYOB> http://gaelstar.com/beos/vlc-0.8.6i-Haiku.zip I mean[23:43:16] <duglia> i think it's present and runnig into my iso install[23:43:54] <umccullough> MYOB, i think we should get that hosted somewhere official :)[23:44:04] <umccullough> and add it to the optional packages[23:44:10] <umccullough> unless you think it needs more testing first[23:44:17] <MYOB> umccullough I'd like to make sure it doesn't blow up elsewhere[23:44:21] <umccullough> sounds good[23:44:26] <luroh> MYOB: let me try that one, do i need anything else?[23:44:38] <MYOB> I'm nearly certain it, and other ones, don't work on gcc4 properly (no sound)[23:44:44] <MYOB> luroh hopefully not, its meant to be self contained[23:44:51] <duglia> however, osstest gave me the same error as before[23:44:52] <mmadia> MYOB : what about mentioning it on the ML ?[23:45:05] <luroh> ok, unzip to and run from desktop would work?[23:45:07] <umccullough> duglia, did you reboot after installing opensound?[23:45:09] <MYOB> luroh yeah[23:45:16] <luroh> ok, will try right now[23:45:26] <duglia> i thought rebooting was needed only with windows![23:45:27] <MYOB> mmadia I wasn't sure if I'd get slapped by koki for that :P[23:45:35] <umccullough> duglia, i don't know anything about opensound :P[23:45:45] <duglia> me too[23:45:47] <duglia> :)[23:45:48] <umccullough> it might require proper init at startup (it is a driver afterall)[23:45:50] <mmadia> MYOB : send it to [haiku] then :)[23:46:05] <MYOB> mmadia even there :P[23:46:21] <MYOB> I'd like to move it off my low-usage hosting before that though![23:46:24] <duglia> well, i may try to reboot[23:46:41] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[23:46:48] *** duglia has quit IRC[23:46:50] <umccullough> duglia, at the very least, i think you'd have to restart media server[23:46:57] <HaikuBot> Need compile vlc 1.0 with QT gui :D[23:46:57] <HaikuBot> When QT port will finish of course.[23:47:01] <umccullough> but that shouldn't affect osstest anyway[23:47:24] <kokito> Trac down?[23:47:31] <umccullough> kokito, failing here too :([23:47:35] <kokito> getting a proxy error[23:47:48] <umccullough> same[23:48:03] <HaikuBot> all fine for me[23:48:14] <kokito> came through this time[23:48:20] <MYOB> HaikuBot theres likely other issues there also, firstly I'd guess the video end of stuff to be the last bits of QT implemented fully[23:48:51] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[23:48:56] <MYOB> does QT do sound? same there if it does[23:49:27] *** duglia has joined #haiku[23:49:29] *** Ingenu_ has quit IRC[23:49:34] <duglia> rebooted[23:49:52] <duglia> now i'ill try to re-run oss_test[23:50:27] <luroh> MYOB: seems to work here with a simple mp3 file at least[23:50:31] <duglia> osstest gave me the same error as before[23:50:44] <duglia> and mp3 does no play[23:50:53] <MYOB> luroh the main thing I'm interested in is seeing if DVD playback works for others[23:51:16] <duglia> how can I paste here the osstest output?[23:51:16] <luroh> MYOB: oh ok, let me dig for a dvd then[23:52:00] <duglia> however, it says "device is busy" and give me a I/O error[23:52:35] <MYOB> I've limited Haiku-running HW at the moment and for whatever reason the only other device with a DVD in it is too slow to playback[23:52:43] <MYOB> despite being a P4 with 512MB RAM[23:53:40] <duglia> changing the soundcard pci slot may help?[23:56:44] <duglia> i'm new to haiku so i can't work out what is going wrong[23:57:36] <luroh> MYOB: sorry, no sound from DVD playback[23:58:11] <umccullough> could be an output issue since it may be multi-channel[23:58:54] <luroh> MYOB: wait...i'm an idiot[23:59:01] *** dflemstr has quit IRC[23:59:15] <luroh> (added the cdrom device but forgot the audio device)[23:59:42] <duglia> umccullough, i don't think so as it's the most basic soundcard on earth