November 7, 2009 
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November 7, 2009 [00:00:21] *** tqh has quit IRC[00:02:24] *** redblue has quit IRC[00:02:36] *** [r4]_ has quit IRC[00:02:55] <mmu_man> LOL! We need a DeskCalc one too!!!! http://www.erenumerique.fr/une_vraie_calculatrice_windows_et_mac_os_x_-news-17721.html[00:03:30] <umccullough_w> mmu_man, as long as it comes in a replicant model[00:03:38] <mmu_man> héhé[00:06:58] <AlienSoldier> mmu_man i mentioned something similar some month ago about doing a sounplay mp3player in plastic :)[00:08:28] <mmu_man> :)[00:09:12] *** michaelvo has joined #haiku[00:10:35] *** tqh has joined #haiku[00:12:01] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[00:13:58] *** mmlr has quit IRC[00:14:51] *** Cuty has quit IRC[00:14:53] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[00:16:09] *** redblue has joined #haiku[00:16:45] *** Hugen_ has quit IRC[00:23:04] *** netstar has joined #Haiku[00:26:17] *** Logic has left #haiku[00:31:27] *** Andrius has quit IRC[00:35:42] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[00:38:30] *** lazarjeremic has left #haiku[00:39:43] <CIA-46> mmu_man * r33926 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/checkitout.cpp:[00:42:39] *** PasNox has quit IRC[00:42:47] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[00:47:20] *** amuck_ has quit IRC[00:48:12] *** tqh has quit IRC[00:48:32] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[00:49:25] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[00:49:27] *** nielx has left #haiku[00:51:08] <DraX> woosh![00:51:16] <OmniMancer> woosh?[00:52:50] <DraX> like an airplane[00:54:00] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[00:56:55] *** markos_ has quit IRC[00:58:03] *** netstar has quit IRC[01:12:53] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[01:26:50] *** CBke has quit IRC[01:36:08] <oco> i am late in the discussion, but the sliding tab is also a must have for a DeskCalc version[01:42:26] *** kwag has joined #haiku[01:48:16] *** dflemstr has quit IRC[01:51:29] *** gtaw has quit IRC[01:51:37] *** mmlr has quit IRC[01:56:41] *** fran has joined #haiku[02:01:15] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[02:11:40] *** fly-away has quit IRC[02:16:12] *** kwag has quit IRC[02:21:48] *** wildur has quit IRC[02:30:35] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[02:34:58] *** triplez has quit IRC[02:35:02] *** gtaw has joined #haiku[02:35:36] *** tuna_ has joined #haiku[02:37:08] <tuna_> Would like to run Haiku on a netbook and the haiku forums suggested I ask here for some advice.[02:40:15] <umccullough_w> which model?[02:40:26] <umccullough_w> it runs beautifully on my acer aspire one aoa150[02:40:48] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[02:41:44] <tuna_> I was thinking the Aspire One or the MSI Wind[02:42:05] <tuna_> does your AOA150 have the 8gig SSD?[02:44:15] <tuna_> also, is it the 8.9" or 10.1" screen?[02:50:00] *** Sryche has joined #haiku[02:50:43] <umccullough_w> aoa150 is 8.9" with 160gb HD[02:50:51] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[02:51:10] <umccullough_w> it's also based on the gma950[02:51:47] <umccullough_w> i suggest you stay far away from anything based on gma500[02:52:10] <umccullough_w> and I also had an AOA110 with an SSD for a while - but was extremely unimpressed with the performance[02:52:17] <umccullough_w> otherwise it was an identical machine[02:55:34] *** Sryche has quit IRC[02:56:47] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[03:00:34] *** mvfranz has joined #haiku[03:09:02] *** rennj has joined #haiku[03:10:18] *** MadEchidna has joined #haiku[03:17:20] <tuna_> sorry about that, was on the phone.[03:17:30] <tuna_> excellent! i can pick up one of those for around $200[03:17:36] <tuna_> how is boot time?[03:17:48] <umccullough_w> 12 seconds[03:18:00] <umccullough_w> after POST that is[03:18:10] <tuna_> naturally.[03:18:22] <tuna_> anything not supported?[03:18:28] <umccullough_w> webcam[03:18:35] <tuna_> meh, no biggie.[03:18:38] <tuna_> wireless works?[03:18:38] <umccullough_w> even the wifi works with the experimental stack[03:18:47] <tuna_> wonderful.[03:19:04] <umccullough_w> i couldn't get an external monitor to work[03:19:17] <tuna_> i have run the livecd on this thinkpad t42 and everything works except wifi[03:19:32] <tuna_> but i believe thats because ive changed the original one for another model[03:20:10] <tuna_> i'd love to see a HW compatibility list on the haiku os website[03:20:16] <tuna_> i believe opensolaris has one[03:20:28] <OmniMancer> are you offering?[03:20:57] <tuna_> am I offering to run one?[03:21:03] <OmniMancer> yes[03:21:36] <umccullough_w> they're hard to maintain[03:21:42] <tuna_> depends how much of my time it will take... a pregnant wife and a puppy that has zero bladder control are my top priorities at the moment.[03:21:48] <umccullough_w> http://www.haikuware.com/hardware-database/[03:22:54] <tuna_> there it is.[03:23:21] <tuna_> umc: is there a place to donate hardware to devs?[03:24:14] <umccullough_w> where do you live?[03:24:21] <tuna_> toronto[03:24:25] <umccullough_w> hmm[03:24:38] <umccullough_w> most of the devs who work on drivers and what-not are in europe[03:24:54] <tuna_> i see.[03:24:54] <umccullough_w> but we could maybe organize something[03:25:05] <umccullough_w> there are definitely devs in the U.S.[03:25:11] <tuna_> i know i have wireless cards and stuff lying around that i'm not going to use[03:25:27] <umccullough_w> ah, well those are easy to ship and should be interchangeable ;)[03:25:40] <tuna_> exactly.[03:25:47] <umccullough_w> the wifi devs are in germany[03:25:55] <umccullough_w> colin gunther and ithamar adema[03:26:04] <tuna_> let me c&c those names[03:26:16] <umccullough_w> colin is the main guy right now[03:26:42] <tuna_> ill go through what i have and compare it with whats in the freebsd stack any that are missing i can email colin about[03:27:24] <mmlr> http://haiku.mlotz.ch/qemu-0.11.0-haiku.zip <- new[03:30:00] *** NathanP has joined #Haiku[03:31:36] *** kwag has joined #haiku[03:32:37] *** mvfranz has quit IRC[03:37:37] *** triplez has joined #haiku[03:43:35] *** bverre has joined #haiku[03:44:10] *** umccullough_w has quit IRC[03:45:53] <NathanP> Well, it seems my laptop's CD tray is busted to oblivion, so I'm stuck on Ubuntu 9.10.[03:46:30] <NathanP> (Couldn't get my CD drive for the life of it to read anything, including the Haiku CD I was trying to install from. :/ )[03:47:13] *** mvfranz has joined #haiku[03:50:49] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[03:52:05] *** HaikUbuntu has quit IRC[03:52:50] *** kwag has quit IRC[03:54:32] *** Sryche has joined #haiku[03:54:54] *** Sryche has left #haiku[03:55:14] *** mortuosplango has quit IRC[03:59:37] <tuna_> NathanP: from the desktop?[03:59:39] <tuna_> or from boot?[03:59:45] <NathanP> Boot.[03:59:54] <tuna_> what are your comp specs?[03:59:57] <tuna_> is it a new comp?[04:00:34] <NathanP> Inspiron 9300, Intel Pentium M Chipset at 1.75 Ghz with an ATI Mobility Radeon X300 Graphics card, a Sigmatel C---[04:00:45] <NathanP> Nope, and it's been run through it's paces.[04:01:08] <tuna_> and it works in Gnome when you put it in?[04:01:19] <NathanP> No, it doesn't work, period.[04:01:23] *** mmlr has quit IRC[04:01:24] <tuna_> ah[04:01:30] <NathanP> Was acting out for awhile, finally kicked the bucket.[04:01:53] <tuna_> time for a new lappie :)[04:02:02] <NathanP> Going to have it looked into. In the mean time, I have a wonderful IBM NetVista with a Pentium 3 processor.[04:02:09] <NathanP> God help us all, it runs Windows XP.[04:02:17] <tuna_> http://www.haiku-os.org/tags/usb_boot try that first[04:02:39] <tuna_> actually[04:02:46] <tuna_> your bios probably doesn't support usb boot[04:02:50] <tuna_> i know my old thinkpad doesn't[04:03:46] <tuna_> 9300 has to be 4 years old? 5 years old?[04:03:56] <NathanP> Five years.[04:04:34] <NathanP> I got it to replace my IBM Thinkpad i1412.[04:04:42] <NathanP> Oh, yeah. I keep computers around for that long.[04:04:54] <tuna_> haha[04:05:27] <tuna_> should have stuck with IBM[04:05:39] <tuna_> my 4-5 year old T40 is still going strong[04:05:49] <tuna_> i expect at least another 4 years[04:06:21] <NathanP> "'Build these machines as fast as you can, because they're the most impressive consumer notebook we've ever seen.' - PC Magazine, Januarary 5, 1999"[04:06:28] <NathanP> Oh, yea. I kept the review sticker on my ThinkPad.[04:06:59] <tuna_> heh[04:07:15] *** triplez has quit IRC[04:07:20] <tuna_> find a refurbished T4* ... they go for like $250 on ebay[04:07:31] <NathanP> I would've got a new ThinkPad, but by then it was spun-off to Lenovo, and they botched the quality of the system.[04:07:34] <tuna_> you'll ring 2013 before you need another one.[04:07:39] <tuna_> Agreed.[04:07:54] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[04:07:58] <tuna_> Once IBM pulled out.. the quality that Lenovo produced dropped.[04:08:28] <NathanP> I'm considering a Panasonic Toughbook.[04:08:46] <tuna_> Never played with one of those[04:08:53] <NathanP> Just so I can walk around saying "F--- yeah, I got Gentoo on a Toughbook. Arn't I hardcore nerd now?"[04:09:12] <tuna_> I'd say OpenBSD would give you the "hardcore" moniker[04:09:15] <tuna_> brb[04:09:19] * NathanP drops the toughbook into a riverbed as Gentoo compiles something.[04:09:21] <NathanP> Oh, yeah.[04:10:49] *** noisetonepause has joined #haiku[04:13:15] *** triplez has joined #haiku[04:14:06] *** joeyadams has joined #haiku[04:15:55] *** Megaf_ has joined #Haiku[04:17:35] <NathanP> How do you all think Haiku would perform on a Pentium 3?[04:20:26] *** oco has quit IRC[04:20:33] <tuna_> back[04:20:41] <tuna_> No idea to be honest[04:20:47] <tuna_> I've only ran it on my Thinkpad[04:21:23] <NathanP> I've run BeOS on it and it faired decently. And I've run ZETA on it and ZETA, surprisingly hated it.[04:21:41] <tuna_> give it a try... can't hurt.[04:21:52] <tuna_> btw, what do you think of 9.10? I have it on my quadcore upstairs[04:22:06] <tuna_> the desktop icons disappear whenever I use Brasero or k3b[04:23:27] <NathanP> 9.10 is alright, has a few quirks (Like files in my folders suddenly becoming inaccessible until a reboot.)[04:23:37] <NathanP> Did I mention that's kind of a show-stopper for me, since I use files?[04:23:44] <tuna_> hah[04:23:51] <tuna_> Haven't had that one happen to me yet.[04:24:01] <NathanP> I'm sure after some poking around you will. :p[04:24:16] <tuna_> You tried Opensolaris? Lack of apps compared but no crazy surprises.[04:24:27] <NathanP> Was considering Mandriva 2010.0, but I've never really got into Mandriva, though I do like it.[04:24:33] <NathanP> OpenSolaris? Don't get me started.[04:24:47] <NathanP> It's nice, the OS itself. But Hardware support it utter crap, in my opinion.[04:25:18] <NathanP> It's driver utility tells me what drivers I'm missing, but instead of installing them, it says it can't and I have to go to all these other web sites and compile them myself.[04:25:28] <tuna_> really? everything on my T42 was recognized... my quad core lacked ethernet but there was a diff for that[04:25:31] <NathanP> Drives me insane when I lose my driver CD for them.[04:25:33] <tuna_> and quad core wifi worked[04:25:46] <tuna_> interesting[04:25:47] <NathanP> (My ethernet didn't work, but Wifi did.)[04:25:49] *** jmayfield has joined #haiku[04:25:51] <tuna_> me too[04:26:10] <NathanP> I had to write down my access key.)[04:26:15] <tuna_> hah[04:26:20] <NathanP> And I hate WiFi when I have a wired connection.[04:26:28] <tuna_> but did your files disappear?[04:26:39] <NathanP> No, I love ZFS.[04:26:55] <tuna_> so compile the ethernet and there you go.[04:27:21] <NathanP> True, I'm b****ing more than I need to.[04:27:37] <tuna_> yes[04:28:02] <NathanP> I'm always rotating between Linux distro's and other OS's.[04:28:26] <tuna_> cause you can't find one that works?[04:28:44] <NathanP> Sort of like that, I suppose.[04:29:16] <NathanP> One always had something over the other.[04:29:27] <tuna_> Well you are fortunate... I have to keep ubuntu on the quadcore because my wife won't use anything else. She took a look at NetBSD and made me sleep on the couch until I put 9.04 back on it.[04:29:37] <tuna_> the thinkpad is the play toy[04:29:47] <NathanP> Lmao.[04:30:17] <NathanP> I force-installed Ubuntu 9.04 over my family's Windows XP machine.[04:30:23] <tuna_> I actually like Opensolaris but my back likes a boxspring and mattress.[04:30:28] <NathanP> They began barking about no AOL.[04:30:32] <NathanP> They demanded AOL.[04:30:34] <tuna_> Pidgin?[04:30:41] <NathanP> Nope, had to be the AOL Client.[04:30:44] <NathanP> The whole shibang.[04:30:48] <tuna_> You poor man.[04:31:01] <NathanP> So I installed Win4Lin (Knew I bought it for a reason) and they shut up.[04:31:34] <tuna_> Well from what you've said, you are the man of the house. Put your foot down and tell your kids to stfu.[04:31:43] <NathanP> (I got tired of having to fix their Windows issues. They malware-infested their system or did something wrong every other month. I have no idea how, either.)[04:32:04] <tuna_> Decades ago I told my father I didn't like him using my C64. I still have the scar over my left eye.[04:32:22] <NathanP> Dear God, man, if you have a C64, you protect it with your life.[04:32:40] <NathanP> If an armed gang comes in to play some Space Invaders on it, you rip their heads off with your shins.[04:32:43] <tuna_> It died in 1990.[04:32:49] <NathanP> That's a sad event.[04:32:58] <tuna_> It was premature.[04:33:09] <tuna_> I screwed up in school, so he broke it.[04:33:16] <tuna_> I never got a bad mark again.[04:33:37] <tuna_> A scarring event yet a turning point in my young life.[04:33:48] <NathanP> If I had a BeBox and my father did that, I'd probably never do a wrong thing in my life again.[04:33:59] <tuna_> See... kids these days have it too easy.[04:34:04] <tuna_> er to easy[04:34:26] <tuna_> I can't wait to smash a PS4 or Wii 2 in the future.[04:34:30] <NathanP> (Though to note, if it was a BeBox, I'd probably break it car in retaliation. Those things arn't easy finds.)[04:34:37] <tuna_> No they aren't[04:35:38] *** Megaf has joined #Haiku[04:35:58] <scanty> my C64 still works quite well, although the 1541 drive died a while ago (machine gun syndrome)[04:36:09] <tuna_> wow.[04:36:15] *** DDevine has joined #haiku[04:36:21] <tuna_> I'd kill to play some California Games right about now.[04:36:43] <scanty> i have another C64, but for playing round with..... going to redump all the roms onboard, and fool around with the SID.[04:37:00] <tuna_> load "$",8,1 ?[04:37:06] <tuna_> load "*",8[04:37:12] <tuna_> list or run[04:37:15] <tuna_> I think[04:39:01] <NathanP> Hm. I may be able to boot via an external DVD drive.[04:40:00] <scanty> could be interesting to emulate a 1541 with CF or SD..... i wonder if that's possible.[04:40:49] *** triplez has quit IRC[04:40:51] <tuna_> no clue[04:41:10] <tuna_> if you are going with a $3k toughbook, spend that extra $5k and get a sparcbook :)[04:41:40] <jmayfield> hehe[04:41:43] <NathanP> Or buy an Altair.[04:41:44] <NathanP> >_>[04:41:45] <NathanP> <_<[04:41:50] <jmayfield> 1541 drive music is the best[04:41:53] <scanty> sparc is sloooow.[04:42:20] <tuna_> haha yes thats why it is funny[04:42:26] *** nOgAnOo has joined #haiku[04:42:37] <tuna_> sparcbooks are like $8k and are slowwwwwww[04:42:53] <jmayfield> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnMgmlKi_o[04:42:55] <scanty> what a waste of money.[04:43:02] <scanty> I remember when the ultra 3 came out.[04:43:07] <scanty> and it was sucha big deal.[04:43:10] <tuna_> tell that to the US gov't[04:43:13] <tuna_> thats who buys them[04:43:33] <tuna_> jesus that floppy takes me back[04:43:35] <scanty> part of the problem is solaris is inherently slow (and linux worse on sparc hardware) but still.[04:43:38] <tuna_> trying to get Winter Games to load[04:44:01] <NathanP> That could have been one hell of a selling point for that machine, I think.[04:44:04] <tuna_> cde![04:44:07] <NathanP> I'd buy it just for a singing floppy.[04:44:24] *** mvfranz has quit IRC[04:44:25] <jmayfield> NathanP, i loved it.. but it was hell on drive head alignment[04:44:26] <scanty> CDE..... oh god.[04:44:48] <scanty> yeah the drive head mechanism in the 1541 is quite fragile.[04:44:51] <tuna_> what? no love for CDE?[04:44:58] <scanty> that's what i meant before when i said machine gun syndrome.[04:45:10] <jmayfield> NathanP, it was definitely an app that i ran mostly on computers at school. hehe[04:45:12] *** rbi has quit IRC[04:45:12] <scanty> it's fixable, but i don't deal in motors and stuff so it'll stay broken.[04:45:22] <tuna_> heh[04:45:36] *** triplez has joined #haiku[04:45:36] <scanty> I wouldn't hate CDE so much if it had decent font rendering.[04:45:57] <tuna_> 1541 for $6.99 on ebay![04:46:07] <tuna_> but its so 1995[04:47:09] <NathanP> I might just get a desktop system.[04:47:15] <NathanP> In my laptop[04:47:26] <NathanP> 's later years, I converted her to a desktop, anyways. :p[04:47:30] <jmayfield> i had a 1541 clone that was all slim and not brown[04:47:38] <tuna_> I had that one too[04:47:46] <tuna_> guess our parents were cheap[04:48:33] <jmayfield> i bought mine on purpose[04:48:33] <jmayfield> it was a good drive[04:48:33] <jmayfield> and small[04:48:33] <jmayfield> i carted my c64 around with me ll the time..[04:48:41] <jmayfield> lugging a 1541 around isnt fun[04:48:52] <tuna_> mine was white and the latch broke after about a year[04:49:08] <tuna_> you brought your c64 around?[04:49:31] <scanty> some people but babies in carriages, and some people put computers.[04:49:34] <jmayfield> oh yeay[04:49:38] <jmayfield> yeah[04:49:41] <tuna_> lol[04:49:51] <jmayfield> i had a sweet suitcase that it all fit in[04:49:57] <jmayfield> thrift shop score[04:50:16] <scanty> these days you can carry a C64 around on a FPGA :)[04:50:34] <NathanP> I remember when I carried my ThinkPad in a steel case.[04:50:51] <scanty> steel cases are for smuggling drugs.[04:51:06] <NathanP> And if you're over-protective about your baby.[04:51:12] <NathanP> I didn't even allow food or drinks near it.[04:51:23] <NathanP> And I always made sure I was cleaned up before using it.[04:51:53] <jmayfield> eesh[04:52:17] <jmayfield> sounds..um, not-fun[04:52:48] <tuna_> hah[04:52:55] <tuna_> what year was your thinkpad in the steel case?[04:53:10] <NathanP> 1998/9, I believe.[04:53:16] <NathanP> It was an i-Series, that's for sure.[04:53:26] *** farhaven has quit IRC[04:53:27] <jmayfield> i always wanted an sx-64[04:53:36] <DDevine> I love thinkpads.[04:53:45] <jmayfield> stinksbads[04:53:49] <jmayfield> :-p[04:54:03] <NathanP> Hey, only Lenovo.[04:54:09] <NathanP> i-Series was from IBM. :p[05:01:15] *** farhaven has joined #haiku[05:01:53] *** tuna_ has quit IRC[05:02:14] <jmayfield> oh, go see xmas carol.. hehe[05:03:40] *** xvedejas has quit IRC[05:08:54] *** bknoedel has joined #haiku[05:10:06] *** Qeos has quit IRC[05:19:00] *** Megaf_ has quit IRC[05:19:22] *** gtaw has quit IRC[05:22:32] *** bknoedel has quit IRC[05:22:33] *** triplez has quit IRC[05:27:58] *** triplez has joined #haiku[05:32:36] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[05:33:19] *** aldeck has quit IRC[05:34:18] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[05:34:54] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[05:35:50] *** gtaw has joined #haiku[05:37:13] *** adb has quit IRC[05:41:53] *** NathanP has quit IRC[05:43:11] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[05:58:13] *** thowe has quit IRC[06:14:19] *** leavengood has joined #haiku[06:17:15] <DraX> hax![06:18:57] *** mvfranz has joined #haiku[06:19:36] *** mvfranz has quit IRC[06:21:34] <DraX> leavengood: is there a working (in the sense of, has webkit rendering pages) version of tranquility?[06:22:33] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[06:22:35] *** redblue has quit IRC[06:23:15] <leavengood> DraX: nope[06:23:47] <leavengood> I've had an inordinate amount of trouble getting Haiku working on native hardware which has slowed things down a lot[06:23:55] <DraX> yes indeed[06:23:57] <leavengood> I was sick of developing by cross compile or VMs[06:24:07] <DraX> i've been doing stuff by vm[06:24:11] <DraX> and it's pretty painful[06:24:16] <DraX> makes me not want to work on stuff[06:24:26] <leavengood> but this "latest" machine (something I dug from the back room) seems OK so far[06:25:05] <leavengood> I guess I got used to the VM somewhat, but native it a lot better[06:25:32] <DraX> the vm is kind of a reminder of how fast beos was. since using windows in the vm is painfully unuseable to me[06:25:38] <DraX> but using haiku in vm is reasonable[06:27:03] <leavengood> yeah[06:27:21] <leavengood> but it still has that red-headed stepchild feeling, if you know what I mean[06:27:29] <DraX> yes[06:27:33] <leavengood> can't use Ctrl-Alt combos[06:27:41] <leavengood> stuck with generally small VM disks[06:27:46] <DraX> and for some reason ./configure is terrible slow[06:27:50] *** mmadia has quit IRC[06:27:55] <DraX> compiler is faster[06:27:59] <OmniMancer> stuff build slow :([06:28:07] <DraX> i think the disk i/o aspect of configure causes the issue[06:28:15] <DraX> configuring emacs takes longer than compiling it[06:28:23] <OmniMancer> llvm takes hours to build on alpha1 in a VM[06:29:29] <DraX> yeah that must be painful[06:29:42] <DraX> i'd really like to play with vmkit[06:29:55] <OmniMancer> the configure is quite quick since it uses cmake[06:30:21] <DraX> emacs has a hand editted ancient autoconf configure script[06:30:33] <OmniMancer> but vmkit requires you to use the autoconf though[06:31:13] <DraX> if vmkit can run ecj and the stuff i work on in the office[06:31:20] <DraX> that's a big step towards me being able ot actually run haiku[06:31:24] <leavengood> llvm is definitely on my "want to play with list"[06:31:29] <leavengood> but there is a lot before it ;)[06:32:07] <OmniMancer> well llvm builds on haiku but I cannot verify its state of working due to the testsuite requiring set -o pipefail[06:32:26] <DraX> i figured out why dumping doesn't work for emacs[06:32:29] <DraX> lack of sbrk(0)[06:32:54] <OmniMancer> and sbrk(0) is meant to do?[06:33:03] <DraX> gives the position of the break[06:33:09] <DraX> well a pointer to it[06:33:14] <OmniMancer> of what break?[06:33:20] <DraX> between .data and .bss[06:33:24] <OmniMancer> ah[06:33:55] <DraX> erm[06:33:57] <DraX> after the end of .bss[06:34:11] <DraX> according to end(3)[06:34:23] <DraX> anyway, haiku doesn't implement it[06:34:37] <OmniMancer> :([06:34:42] *** triplez has quit IRC[06:34:50] <DraX> i can disable dumping, it'll just make things slow[06:34:54] <OmniMancer> how does emacs handle windows?[06:35:06] <DraX> heh[06:35:12] <DraX> like ui windows?[06:35:36] <OmniMancer> no windows in general I would assume much of this stuff is not there on windows...[06:35:39] <DraX> techncically a ui window in emacs is called a frame, a window is actually a view of a buffer (frame can have multiple windows)[06:36:04] <DraX> handling the UI aspect is done by exposing some symbols to elisp and writing some glue code[06:36:07] <DraX> but the interface is not obvious[06:36:13] <DraX> i've been trying to get my head around where one would start[06:36:17] <DraX> and it's totally unclear[06:36:29] <leavengood> DraX: just be smart and convert to Vim :)[06:36:36] <jmayfield> heh[06:36:39] <leavengood> it works pretty well on Haiku[06:36:41] <leavengood> :-D[06:36:44] <DraX> leavengood: i switched to emacs[06:36:51] <leavengood> heh[06:36:55] <DraX> leavengood: for a list of reasons that my explaining to you would be silly[06:37:10] <OmniMancer> why would it be silly to explain?[06:37:19] <DraX> because it wouldn't change either of our minds[06:37:27] <leavengood> well I was mainly joking, but it seems Emacs does some pretty crazy things[06:37:44] <leavengood> like the sbrk thing for caching the compiled Lisp[06:37:47] <leavengood> (right?)[06:37:50] <DraX> leavengood: it's a programming language enviornment with an editor built ontop of it[06:38:04] <leavengood> yeah[06:38:13] <DraX> an awful programming language[06:38:19] <DraX> but a lot of people have written really nice things in it[06:38:30] <OmniMancer> can we use climacs?[06:38:31] <leavengood> I'm not an Emacs hater, it just is the epitome of a Unix app[06:38:46] <leavengood> I mean Stallman wrote it for goodness sakes[06:38:56] <leavengood> heh[06:39:06] <DraX> the code is terrifying[06:39:11] <DraX> it has support for not using void* for example[06:39:31] <OmniMancer> it can not use void* if you tell it not to?[06:39:39] <DraX> i'm not sure it actually still works[06:39:40] <DraX> but yes[06:39:54] <DraX> no clue how[06:40:01] <OmniMancer> so when do we switch to climacs?[06:40:13] <DraX> when all the amazing elisp is rewritten in common lisp[06:40:46] <DraX> emacs is basically 20+ years of subtle polish[06:41:30] <DraX> it's hard to replicate that[06:41:36] <DraX> no matter how much better the foundation is[06:41:36] <OmniMancer> I think we could maybe write a compatability layer/ source to source translator for that :P[06:41:49] <DraX> there have been multiple attemps[06:41:54] <DraX> i'm not even sure they've all failed[06:41:57] <DraX> but they never get traction[06:42:45] <OmniMancer> ofcourse the best way is to actually rewrite it all[06:43:58] <DraX> leavengood: it is the epitome of a unix app, but it's been ported to so much (vms, os/2, msdos, windows, os x)[06:44:39] <leavengood> DraX: yeah, Vim too[06:44:53] <leavengood> those sort of apps are pretty handy, I will say[06:45:05] <leavengood> but in general I like nice native apps[06:45:09] <leavengood> certainly on Haiku[06:45:31] <leavengood> I'll probably try to learn to like some of the Haiku code editors[06:45:39] <leavengood> on that note I need to try Paladin and Sisong[06:45:49] * leavengood goes to do some downloading...[06:45:52] <DraX> i'll be working on a native gui mode for emacs once i get my head around how to start[06:46:00] <leavengood> cool[06:46:56] <DraX> i'm pretty intent about switching, assuming I can get the things i need for day to day and work[06:46:59] <jmayfield> DraX, you could take an approach like pida does[06:47:34] *** michaelvo has quit IRC[06:47:38] <DraX> jmayfield: pida depends on xembed i believe[06:47:45] <jmayfield> likely[06:47:59] <DraX> i'm more interested in getting gui support for emacs like it has on X[06:48:06] <DraX> then embedding it on something else[06:48:15] <DraX> I actually disable toolbars/scrollbars/menubar[06:48:23] <DraX> i just want the image support, and the font support[06:48:42] <DraX> and mouse of course[06:49:25] <leavengood> I'm pretty sure mmu_man has done a lot of work on Xemacs[06:49:30] <DraX> he has[06:49:36] <leavengood> though maybe that is different than Emacs[06:49:40] <leavengood> I don't know ;)[06:49:44] <DraX> it is[06:49:48] <leavengood> heh[06:49:51] <leavengood> of course[06:49:55] <DraX> it used to be better[06:50:15] <DraX> but these days most of the awesome things it could do that gnu emacs couldn't, gnu emacs can do now[06:50:24] <DraX> plus most of the elisp is written for gnu emacs[06:50:35] <DraX> and since it's all about the elisp, otherwise i would use something else[06:50:37] <DraX> that matters[06:51:07] <OmniMancer> like climacs :P[06:51:44] <DraX> OmniMancer: where is my haiku sbcl port? :P[06:51:49] *** tombhad-AC has quit IRC[06:51:58] <OmniMancer> :P[06:52:07] <OmniMancer> I think someone was gonna try to build it[06:52:18] <OmniMancer> apparently it crosscompiles pretty well[06:54:39] *** joeyadams has quit IRC[06:57:16] <leavengood> time to sleep[06:57:35] *** leavengood has quit IRC[06:57:42] <DraX> OmniMancer: once you've ported that, i'll need you to do a mcclim port :P[06:58:13] <OmniMancer> well does cairo work on haiku?[06:58:35] <DraX> i think that's why the ff port is still at ff2[06:58:39] <DraX> (because cairo isn't ported)[06:59:35] <OmniMancer> hmm mcclim has a cairo back end that would probably ease its porting[06:59:48] <DraX> once you port cairo[07:01:40] *** MrSunshine__ has quit IRC[07:21:54] *** gtaw has quit IRC[07:22:31] *** rbi has joined #haiku[07:23:12] <DraX> OmniMancer: once you're done porting cairo you can rewrite imkit to use libpurple for me[07:23:37] <OmniMancer> :P[07:23:43] <OmniMancer> why would I do that?[07:23:51] <DraX> because you're a nice guy[07:26:10] <DraX> OmniMancer: wifi crypto support too[07:27:14] * OmniMancer is terrible with not finishing things[07:28:05] <DraX> well if you're not working on llvm you need something else to work on. :)[07:35:02] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[07:39:06] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[07:39:26] <OmniMancer> or I could 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Spotted by Axel.[09:36:18] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[09:42:30] <jmayfield_> ya know, XTC really kicked a lot of ass[09:44:42] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[09:49:13] *** phalax has quit IRC[09:49:25] *** Logic has joined #haiku[09:51:31] *** Logic has quit IRC[09:55:41] *** triplez has quit IRC[10:02:46] *** triplez has joined #haiku[10:03:15] *** tqh has joined #haiku[10:05:49] <CIA-46> axeld * r33931 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/drawing/DrawingEngine.cpp:[10:05:49] <CIA-46> * Fixed a few operator precedence bugs (&& ... & ... &&).[10:05:49] <CIA-46> * Cleanup.[10:08:04] *** The123king has joined #haiku[10:13:05] *** sprma has joined #haiku[10:17:07] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[10:20:35] *** fly-away has joined #haiku[10:21:00] *** sprma has quit IRC[10:22:09] *** Begasus has quit IRC[10:22:18] *** jmayfield_ has quit IRC[10:23:37] *** CIA-69 has joined #haiku[10:24:21] *** jmayfield_ has joined #haiku[10:24:35] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[10:29:13] *** Andrius has quit IRC[10:29:21] *** Andrius[] has joined #haiku[10:30:48] *** stargater has joined #Haiku[10:31:07] <stargater> Hi[10:31:32] <jmayfield_> hi[10:33:38] *** CIA-46 has quit IRC[10:35:12] <stargater> Have anyone a new Haiku build ? I need a screen shot from the debugger app.[10:36:51] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[10:36:58] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[10:37:26] <Begasus_> only have the alpha running and a gcc4 enviroment at the pc[10:37:37] <Begasus_> alpha here on the laptop ;)[10:38:40] <stargater> The app is include later, after alpha :-)[10:39:00] <Begasus_> thought so ;)[10:39:21] <Begasus_> running with official alpha for the time being for gcc2[10:39:50] *** Andrius[] has quit IRC[10:40:44] <stargater> Cu all[10:40:51] <Begasus_> cya[10:40:59] *** stargater has quit IRC[10:43:40] *** jmayfield_ has quit IRC[10:44:09] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[10:44:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[10:45:23] <CIA-69> axeld * r33932 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/zip/beos.c:[10:45:23] <CIA-69> * Stupid zip has a "#define local static" which now breaks since OS.h includes[10:45:23] <CIA-69> pthread.h.[10:45:23] <CIA-69> * If zip is not actively maintained anymore, I would suggest correcting this[10:45:23] <CIA-69> issue by removing that useless define. 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As the scheduler[17:25:17] <CIA-69> accesses the scheduler data inside the thread structure, freeing it first lead[17:25:17] <CIA-69> to a crash when a thread couldn't be created.[17:25:32] <MYOB> anyone any ideas why I can't get sound out of a Creative EMU that used to work fine with haiku's driver?[17:27:13] *** euank has joined #haiku[17:29:25] <adamk_> MYOB, Does /var/log/syslog show that it's being detected?[17:29:31] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[17:29:36] <euank> ]][17:30:21] *** cianduffy_ has joined #haiku[17:30:39] *** alexsuraci has joined #haiku[17:33:28] *** MYOB has quit IRC[17:33:32] *** cianduffy_ is now known as MYOB[17:33:42] <MYOB> some fiddling later, and a forced reboot cause the card was loose...[17:33:43] <MYOB> working[17:34:21] *** mmlr is now known as mmlr_[17:34:40] *** mmlr_ is now known as mmlr_away[17:36:02] *** adb has quit IRC[17:36:28] *** gtaw has quit IRC[17:36:46] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[17:38:05] *** alexsuraci has quit IRC[17:38:53] *** triplez has joined #haiku[17:39:18] *** alexsuraci has joined #haiku[17:40:27] *** mvfranz has quit IRC[17:42:32] *** miqlas_ has quit IRC[17:44:52] <umccullough> MYOB, my aa1 is the aoa150 with 8.9" screen and 160gb HD[17:44:57] *** binaryimpulse has joined #haiku[17:45:07] <umccullough> give me a specific test case for audio :)[17:45:23] <MYOB> mine is... hidden under a pile of clothes here somewhere :S[17:45:28] <MYOB> SSD unit[17:45:44] <umccullough> yeah, i had an SSD version for a while, i found it quite deplorable by comparison[17:45:49] <MYOB> I've found something very strange on my dekstop[17:45:50] <umccullough> horribly slow[17:46:02] <MYOB> if I wham the mouse from side to side I get audio crackles and spurious right clicks[17:46:08] <MYOB> only if I touch the screen edges[17:46:15] <umccullough> hmm[17:46:24] <umccullough> that's pretty odd[17:46:33] *** leszek has quit IRC[17:46:34] <MYOB> I need to put a more recent rev on the AA1 anyway[17:46:55] <umccullough> my aa1 has r1/alpha1 one one partition and a recent trunk build on another[17:46:56] <MYOB> I also have to log the horrendously slow boot time on my desktop, seems to be USB related (nVidia USB)[17:47:53] <umccullough> btw, have you tried playing also audio with something other than the included mediaplayer?[17:48:02] <MYOB> and our of sheer bloody interest I wnt to see what HW is supported on my server :P[17:48:03] <MYOB> yeah, VLC[17:48:05] <umccullough> ok[17:48:18] <MYOB> including my sekrit haiku builds of same...[17:48:36] <umccullough> i've noticed some of the codecs included with Haiku aren't so CPU-friendly :([17:48:43] <umccullough> whereas the same codecs in vlc are nice[17:48:50] *** mvfranz has joined #haiku[17:49:09] <MYOB> GPL ASM I believe[17:49:25] <umccullough> perhaps that's all, but i don't know[17:49:26] <adamk_> I regularly record video on a linux box and plays back fine in vlc on Haiku, but is pretty bad in MediaPlayer. It plays the video very slowly, and with no audio.[17:49:53] <MYOB> is our own ASM optomisation guru still around (Christian Packmann?)?[17:49:58] *** mmlr_ has joined #haiku[17:50:14] <umccullough> i looked at some of the GPL ASM in ffmpeg and it was pretty small IMO[17:50:23] <umccullough> quite a shame that they even bothered :P[17:50:34] *** mmlr_ is now known as mmlr[17:50:36] <umccullough> 1 screenful of code is hardly worth GPL'ing[17:51:28] <umccullough> i think even FSF suggests public domain in those cases[17:52:13] <MYOB> need to find the damn AA1 now :S[17:52:13] *** oco has quit IRC[17:52:26] <umccullough> if it's the SSD model, i'm guessing it's an AOA110[17:52:35] <umccullough> although, i'm not sure if they have the same models where you're at[17:52:42] *** Logic has joined #haiku[17:53:01] <MYOB> I didn't buy it, it got dumped on me[17:53:11] <MYOB> by someone who moved on to a proper laptop[17:53:16] <MYOB> netbooks = gateway drugs :P[17:53:25] <umccullough> heh, sorta how i got the aoa110 i had too ;)[17:53:29] <umccullough> and then one day the person wanted it back[17:53:38] <umccullough> (probably to give someone else)[17:54:09] <umccullough> i was happy to dump it again, the performance compared to my 160gb disk was night and day[17:54:19] <MYOB> I acquire a *lot* of HW weirdly[17:54:45] <umccullough> no comment ;)[17:54:47] *** oco has joined #haiku[17:54:48] <MYOB> we have compulsary retailer-takes-back electronic recycling here, and as my employer is a retailer...[17:55:01] <umccullough> ah, interesting[17:55:05] <MYOB> as a sideline not its main business[17:58:48] <MYOB> my server was being thrown out as it was replaced by a router (was just running DHCP, then windows died)[17:59:17] <umccullough> heh[17:59:35] <umccullough> most of the functionality of my old windows server was replaced with a linksys wirless router running dd-wrt ;)[17:59:50] <MrSunshine> theres no cad software for beos/haiku is there?[17:59:57] <umccullough> with the exception of file/print sharing - which I'm going to replace with a small box running freenas shortly[18:00:10] <umccullough> MrSunshine, there was a project called atomocad[18:00:16] <umccullough> but was never finished IIRC[18:00:30] <cb88> I imagine ... with the QT port it would be possible to port a few cad programs.[18:01:47] <umccullough> http://www.biffuz.it/misc/atomocad_on_haiku.png[18:03:11] <MYOB> QT may give us newer VLC also, but I'm not too happy about using it as a magic bullet[18:03:21] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[18:03:50] <umccullough> qt apps won't look/feel native until someone hacks up the Qt port :P[18:03:58] <cb88> well thats true ... but I don't think the port seems to be dragging allong the slowness of KDE .... which is a releif[18:04:05] <cb88> *relief[18:04:13] <umccullough> there had been some talk about emulating the Qt API on haiku rather than porting it[18:04:18] <umccullough> but it seems the porting happened sooner[18:04:33] <MrSunshine> cb88, i want native![18:04:44] <MrSunshine> those damn layers of apis just gives problems in the end[18:04:58] <umccullough> MrSunshine, that's why emulating it would have been nicer ;)[18:05:16] <umccullough> then an Qt app recompiled for Haiku wouldn't be going through layers[18:05:22] <MYOB> one thing is that QT may give me the ability to get VLC running *then* do a native GUI[18:05:33] <cb88> lol.. so the QT port isn't using the be api as a render target?[18:05:40] <MrSunshine> umccullough, atleast 1 more layer? :P[18:05:41] <MrSunshine> Qt[18:05:49] <umccullough> cb88, i think it just paints into a big empty picture on the screen :P[18:05:58] <cb88> yes that is fail[18:06:05] <umccullough> MrSunshine, no, it would be a native binding directly to the app_server[18:06:25] <umccullough> cb88, it still works faster than firefox which does basically the same thing :P[18:06:33] <MrSunshine> umccullough, still you call "QWindow" or whatever they are called, that in its turn translates it to BeAPI native stuff somewhere at the end[18:06:36] <MrSunshine> so that is 1 layer[18:06:40] <cb88> nice to have though.... the demo browser is supprisingly fast[18:06:42] <MrSunshine> its not like you write BWindow[18:06:49] <MrSunshine> and magicly it works on all platforms[18:07:05] <umccullough> MrSunshine, not if done properly, all the support can be added directly to the bwindow implementation in haiku[18:07:23] <umccullough> then it's still one class managing all the work[18:07:38] <MrSunshine> ehm, adding stuff just for Qt to the BeAPI stuff?[18:07:43] <umccullough> exactly[18:07:47] <umccullough> that was what was discussed[18:07:48] <MrSunshine> that sounds stupid :P[18:07:55] <umccullough> and yet, ingo and stippi thought it was a good idea[18:08:00] <cb88> Its probably better to keep the bloat out... of the BeAPI[18:08:31] <MrSunshine> sure if it adds more usefull functions that is usable from pure BeAPI but functions just dedicated to making Qt works imo is a big nono[18:08:57] *** sprma has joined #haiku[18:09:45] <umccullough> i'm sure that the actual implementation would have kept both APIs separate but peers with each other[18:09:56] <umccullough> with the abstraction happening in the interface kit[18:10:40] <umccullough> face it, that already more or less happens anyway[18:11:20] <umccullough> none of the actual window management is done by the interface kit[18:13:14] *** michail has quit IRC[18:13:25] <umccullough> quoting ingo from march: "IMHO, Qt is a must-have. It's a pretty solid API -- definitely better than[18:13:25] <umccullough> some parts of the Be API (like my "favorite", the interface kit) -- and by[18:13:25] <umccullough> far more complete.[18:13:26] <umccullough> "[18:14:00] *** mmlr_away has quit IRC[18:14:00] *** mmlr is now known as mmlr_away[18:14:55] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[18:14:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[18:15:20] <MYOB> still can't find the AA1's charger, but I have succesfully moved some storage boxes I'd been planning to for ages...[18:15:36] <umccullough> here was the original email thread if you wanted to peruse it: http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-development/Haiku-Qt-and-apps-oh-my[18:15:49] <umccullough> note the 80-something replies :)[18:18:11] <MYOB> the easiest way to build a gcc2hybrid is from the alpha isn't it?[18:18:17] <MYOB> seeing as I've no Linux machines[18:18:30] <umccullough> i've never attempted it[18:18:35] <umccullough> only from linux[18:19:15] <MYOB> I need GCC4 if I want recentish-VLC but I also don't want to use the alpha rev as its rather old[18:19:36] <tqh> isn't the alpha hybrid?[18:19:50] <MYOB> it is yeah[18:20:00] <MYOB> but I'm using something far newer, and not[18:21:28] <umccullough> there are new alpha revs on the haiku-files.org[18:21:30] <umccullough> er[18:21:32] <umccullough> hybrids i mean[18:21:43] *** killermouse0 has joined #haiku[18:21:53] <cb88> those are like nightlies?[18:21:56] <umccullough> yes[18:21:58] <umccullough> nightly hybrids[18:22:00] <umccullough> from trunk[18:22:11] <umccullough> i recommend a nightly gcc2hybrid[18:22:29] <umccullough> that's what i run on my other partition of my AA1[18:22:46] <umccullough> http://haiku-files.org/raw/[18:22:46] *** tqh has quit IRC[18:23:07] <cb88> yep... I build the gcc2hybrid as per the instruction on the wiki as well.. seems to work the best[18:23:09] <umccullough> btw, alpha rev still works pretty well[18:23:11] <MYOB> oh right, sort of forgot that existed[18:23:17] <cb88> that is from linux though[18:23:42] *** Begasus has quit IRC[18:23:42] <umccullough> at this point, anyone publishing 3rd party apps should try to target r1/alpha1 IMO[18:30:03] * alexsuraci is toying with a little GUI media player app[18:30:22] *** StreaK|ON has left #haiku[18:30:44] <alexsuraci> first real venture in making a GUI app on any OS, pretty great experience so far[18:31:23] <humdinger> alexsuraci: Don't tell us you're using Qt4. :)[18:32:53] *** mvfranz has quit IRC[18:35:47] <Hugen_> re[18:35:59] <alexsuraci> humdinger: haha, no[18:36:43] <humdinger> alexsuraci: Good :) Do you use the layoutmanaging?[18:36:57] <humdinger> I hear there's not that much information on that ATM...[18:38:05] <humdinger> oh... afk for a bit... cu[18:38:09] <alexsuraci> humdinger: I'm just sort of winging it, using the BeBook as my main reference[18:39:18] *** euank has quit IRC[18:40:11] <warpdesign> what's new in these nightybuilds ?[18:40:42] <MYOB> warpdesign generally bug and stability fixes, being nightlies theres no release notes so you need to check over the SVN logs[18:41:49] *** mvfranz has joined #haiku[18:42:26] <umccullough> only been ~730 checkins since alpha[18:43:01] <umccullough> oh, my bad[18:43:16] <umccullough> ~830[18:44:09] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[18:46:39] <alexsuraci> Any way to query a particular directory?[18:46:59] <umccullough> storage kit[18:51:03] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[18:53:13] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[18:53:30] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[19:00:04] *** Colin_Finck is now known as Colin_Finck|afk[19:12:58] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[19:17:25] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[19:17:37] *** MYOB has quit IRC[19:31:43] *** farhaven has quit IRC[19:31:46] *** farhaven has joined #haiku[19:32:24] *** farhaven has quit IRC[19:33:07] <warpdesign> ok[19:33:13] <warpdesign> so nothing new about 3d ? 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i did donate some money one day ago[21:37:58] <cb881> it is kinda slowed down... colin is working on his thesis I think[21:37:59] *** markos_ has quit IRC[21:37:59] *** markos__ is now known as markos_[21:38:05] <MegafSeven> I'm really looking forward to get wireless working fine[21:38:52] <cb881> I think one year is the target time frame if only colin works on it... although they want it in R1 which they want to release before that[21:38:59] <cb881> so... who knows[21:39:46] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[21:42:54] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[21:42:54] <MegafSeven> hm[21:44:01] <cb881> but atheros should be working unencrpted.... 1 year is the target for complete support[21:44:49] *** cb881 has quit IRC[21:44:58] <MegafSeven> ?[21:45:19] *** MYOB has joined #haiku[21:46:30] *** mmlr_away is now known as mmlr[21:46:57] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[21:47:09] <CIA-69> bonefish * r33941 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/debugger/dwarf/DwarfFile.cpp:[21:47:09] <CIA-69> GCC 2 .eh_frame: The CIE offset in an FDE isn't always relative to the[21:47:09] <CIA-69> beginning of the section, but probably relative to the beginning of the data[21:47:09] <CIA-69> for the respective compilation unit (which might even make it useful again,[21:47:09] <CIA-69> since it could be used as negative offset to the CIE). Relaxed the check even[21:47:11] <CIA-69> more, so we always override the CIE offset when parsing .eh_frame sections.[21:47:14] <CIA-69> This makes the variables appear in another test app Axel kindly provided.[21:53:29] *** mvfranz has joined #haiku[21:53:31] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[21:54:33] <CIA-69> augiedoggie * r466 /haikuports/trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Adding doxygen-1.6.1 to the port tree.[21:54:33] *** Begasus_ has quit IRC[21:58:38] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[22:04:00] *** Hugen_ is now known as Hugen[22:06:42] <MrSunshine> atomocad is not open sourc e?[22:14:23] *** netstar has joined #Haiku[22:16:12] *** kitallis has quit IRC[22:17:57] *** MegafSeven has quit IRC[22:19:38] *** jmayfield__ has joined #haiku[22:19:48] *** jmayfield_ has quit IRC[22:25:52] *** MegafSeven has joined #Haiku[22:28:33] *** MegafSeven has quit IRC[22:31:13] *** MegafSeven has joined #Haiku[22:32:22] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[22:36:23] *** jmayfield__ has quit IRC[22:37:36] *** MegafSeven has quit IRC[22:37:55] *** sprma has quit IRC[22:38:17] *** funktor has joined #haiku[22:41:26] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:41:27] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[22:41:33] *** netstar has quit IRC[22:48:43] <mmu_screen> adamk_: it's not supported. The list of drivers is currently hardcoded in the oss core module since they are merged into a single binary[22:49:29] <mmu_screen> adamk_: that's required for now since all modules make direct calls to oss_core, and we forbid linking to anything but the kernel in Haiku. I'll fix it later but for now it's enough[22:53:54] *** xerio has joined #haiku[22:57:59] <xerio> does wireless work in haiku on an eeepc 904ha?[22:58:41] <luroh> xerio: it might, if it has an atheros chipset[22:58:50] <mmu_man> xerio probably not[22:58:51] <brobostigon> xerio: if you have a look on osdrawer, there are experimental driver for atheros.[22:58:55] <DraX> and you don't need crypto[22:59:38] <xerio> ok. thanks all. i was wondering before i went ahead and installed it. if there's a chance it'll work. i'll give it a shot[23:04:10] *** The123king has quit IRC[23:05:38] *** xerio has quit IRC[23:08:13] *** thotypous has quit IRC[23:11:50] <MYOB> has anyone bothered looking in to DVD playback at all yet?[23:17:38] *** funktor has left #haiku[23:19:47] <alexsuraci> hrm, after a certain point (not file-dependent) BDirectory::GetNextEntry starts returning undocumented error codes[23:20:14] *** fran has quit IRC[23:21:28] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[23:22:44] <MYOB> right, somethings wrong with the way dvdnav reads DVDs not dvdcss decrypts them on Haiku, cause its bombing out on this DVD and its unencrypted...[23:25:51] <alexsuraci> ah hah! fixed.[23:26:15] *** PasNox has quit IRC[23:29:20] *** nOgAnOo has quit IRC[23:29:32] *** n0g4n0o has joined #haiku[23:29:57] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:37:07] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[23:38:43] *** xerio has joined #haiku[23:39:07] *** gtaw has joined #haiku[23:39:18] *** MadEchidna has quit IRC[23:39:23] *** warpdesign has quit IRC[23:39:59] <xerio> wireless works on eeepc 904ha. just thought i'd let the people who helped me know.[23:41:22] <xerio> but now i'm having a problem with the vision irc client. i keep getting the error "USER not enough parameters"[23:41:59] <StreaK|ON> xerio: unprotected wifi, yes?[23:42:16] <xerio> yeah[23:43:17] <luroh> xerio: that's related to vision's settings, you need to fill out more fields[23:43:28] <luroh> such as real name, etc[23:44:03] <luroh> can't remember exactly, but that's what it means[23:44:12] <xerio> oh ok. i didn't know i needed the real name stuff and such. ok. thanks! i'm gonna get back on haiku and see if it works[23:44:20] *** xerio has quit IRC[23:45:55] *** wildur has quit IRC[23:46:22] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[23:47:13] *** xerio has joined #haiku[23:47:17] <xerio> it works![23:47:31] <gtaw> Of course it does![23:47:56] <gtaw> Do you have any idea how many cups of coffee are invested in Haiku ;)[23:48:07] <xerio> lol. i'd be willing to guess a lot.[23:49:30] <gtaw> Exactly a lot.[23:50:16] <DraX> innumerable?[23:50:18] <xerio> and it boots in less than like 7 seconds to a usable desktop after my grub menu.[23:50:54] <gtaw> When I'm on the road I just boot haiku and absorb the caffine through the monitor ;)[23:50:56] *** impy has joined #haiku[23:52:36] <xerio> getting used to the menu and running apps thing is going to take some time. but so far i'm liking this.[23:54:24] <DraX> now start hacking. :D[23:54:43] <gtaw> No.[23:54:53] <gtaw> The mass media says hacking is illegal :[[23:54:57] <gtaw> Jejeje[23:55:04] <gtaw> Erm Hehehehe[23:55:21] <MrSunshine> mm[23:58:06] *** Geoz has quit IRC[23:58:36] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[23:59:50] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[23:59:54] *** redblue has quit IRC