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[00:46:04] <StreaK|ON> "Yeah baby, very shagadelic" KDL few minutes ago on my  PC :)

[00:47:28] * StreaK|ON wonder when KDL will cite some great brainies like einstein after crash..

[00:48:39] <JonathanThompson> See if there's a ticket for that ;)

[00:48:50] <JonathanThompson> Got a KDL?  There's a ticket for that! ;)

[00:49:47] <StreaK|ON> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/4836 found this for example

[00:51:01] <JonathanThompson> Told you ;)

[00:51:19] <JonathanThompson> Though that doesn't look like the same thing, since I don't recall a KDL mentioned.

[00:51:48] <JonathanThompson> Haiku Alpha1R1: to boldly KDL where no-one has KDL'ed before!

[00:52:10] <StreaK|ON> i've got it while refreshing feeds in thunderbird.. dont seem to be releated , though

[00:52:46] <StreaK|ON> and bang.. KDL with nice "shagadelic" :)

[00:52:48] <StreaK|ON> thingy

[00:54:20] <StreaK|ON> i wanna see more KDL exeptions in this style :) hehe

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[01:40:27] <MadEchidna> hi JonathanThompson

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[01:40:35] <JonathanThompson> Wassup, MadEchidna ?

[01:40:36] <MadEchidna> I'm busy playing with Android on my new phone

[01:40:49] <JonathanThompson> Ok, I can see you'll be distracted for awhile :p

[01:40:49] <MadEchidna> I was able to handle Windows Mobile for about 2 minutes before I said no

[01:42:23] <MadEchidna> hee hee, silly Tilt thinks it's a Tmobile G1

[01:42:29] <MadEchidna> I'm using Dougnut

[01:42:44] * JonathanThompson hopes Doug isn't upset with MadEchidna using his nuts

[01:42:49] <MadEchidna> haha

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[02:12:51] <ElTimo> heyo everyone

[02:12:58] <cb88> hello

[02:14:25] <ElTimo> dear god it's been two hell months. haven't had a chance to even update my build

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[03:14:52] <ddavid123> bookmarks don't keep after restart!  Anyone else notice this?

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[03:16:05] <michaelvo> for force reboot not

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[03:16:13] <michaelvo> it's a FF2 problem

[03:16:16] <michaelvo> in windows too

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[03:18:12] <ddavid123> Bookmarks dissappear from web browser after restart!

[03:18:30] <ddavid123> Anyone else notice this?

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[03:24:03] <michaelvo> It's a FF2 problem ... in windows too

[03:24:19] <michaelvo> the solution is FF3

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[03:40:04] <helf|laptop> yo ho ho

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[03:48:43] <jmayfield_> hi helf

[03:48:53] <jmayfield_> helf|laptop even...

[03:48:54] * JonathanThompson poits jmayfield_

[03:49:08] <Ober2> re

[03:49:13] <helf|laptop> hi jmayfield_

[03:49:18] * helf|laptop is irked

[03:49:21] <jmayfield_> hi JonathanThompson

[03:49:43] <JonathanThompson> Been thinking about making a game I've been working on work online.

[03:49:51] <helf|laptop> onboard sata controller sitting on the pci-e bus is failing with this overclock

[03:49:57] <helf|laptop> even when i set the pci-e bus to default 100mhz

[03:49:59] <JonathanThompson> So I can have helf|laptop and DHowett play against me.

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[03:51:35] <JonathanThompson> I was thinking perhaps mutating PyShare for such a purpose.

[03:51:54] <JonathanThompson> Though a quick intermediate step would be using private messages via IRC and interfacing that way.

[03:51:56] <jmayfield_> heh..

[03:52:12] <jmayfield_> i can think of better ways

[03:52:29] <JonathanThompson> Another decentralized manner would be email.

[03:53:14] <JonathanThompson> But email isn't exactly responsive :)

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[03:59:12] <Kernel86|Laptop> helf|laptop: you ring?

[04:00:07] <helf|laptop> hey!

[04:00:22] <helf|laptop> it was something to do with this PC...

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[04:32:30] <Ober2> ok have ruby... now to investigate the ide

[04:32:53] <DraX> ruby beapi bindings would be neat.. ifyou're into ruby

[04:33:47] <JonathanThompson> Or if you're looking for Ruby apps written in Ruby to use as a user :)

[04:34:18] <JonathanThompson> If it works and does what you want it to do, fast enough, who gives a crap about the implementation details?

[04:34:49] <DraX> well, it depends

[04:34:52] <DraX> usually that's true

[04:34:55] <DraX> but if you want to modify it

[04:35:04] <DraX> and you're stuck with a crappy language, that sucks

[04:35:05] <JonathanThompson> That's not most users ;)

[04:35:25] * JonathanThompson pulls number out of rear

[04:35:46] <JonathanThompson> PRobably more than 99% of users aren't wanting to modify it, nor do they have the know-how/means to do so in any way.

[04:35:51] <Advant-> Any OSX people, I need a library from Leopard

[04:35:52] <DraX> i pretty much agree with you, so why are we fighting? :P

[04:36:04] * helf|laptop is almost done reinstalling ubuntu

[04:36:07] <JonathanThompson> Because we can? :P

[04:36:16] <JonathanThompson> Advant-: ?

[04:36:27] <helf|laptop> 32gb ssd!

[04:36:27] <JonathanThompson> I'm running Snow Leopard, so don't know.

[04:36:27] <helf|laptop> woo

[04:36:39] <Advant-> JonathanThompson: My libiconv is fucked, I need original one :)

[04:36:39] <JonathanThompson> Why do you need a library from Leopard?

[04:37:03] * JonathanThompson hates to think how Advant- had that happen

[04:37:14] <JonathanThompson> That part of a standard Leopard install?

[04:37:25] <Advant-> yeah in /usr/lib

[04:38:26] <JonathanThompson> Which version are you needing?

[04:38:56] <helf|laptop> no wonder

[04:39:01] * helf|laptop redoes ignore mask

[04:39:06] <Advant-> libiconv.2.dylib,  can you do a file on it, then a nm libiconv.2.dylib | grep open ?

[04:39:36] <Advant-> trying to find one that is 32 and 64, and has iconv_open()

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[05:38:01] <Al2O3> hello

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[05:44:35] <Al2O3> ouch

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[06:17:17] <CIA-72> augiedoggie * r446 /haikuports/trunk/media-gfx/ (5 files in 3 dirs):

[06:17:17] <CIA-72> Adding graphviz-2.24 to the port tree.

[06:17:17] <CIA-72> Build scripts could use some love by someone with more autotools knowledge.

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[06:26:20] <NathanP> Any late night IRC goers?

[06:27:58] <cpr420> it's not 'late night' everywhere :)

[06:30:56] <NathanP> It is here.

[06:31:01] <gtaw> You just couldn't say "Yes.  I am here, NathanP!"  :p

[06:31:19] <NathanP> That would comfort me, gtaw.

[06:31:45] <NathanP> I'm watching a scary movie and I need company. Or, I'm working on a database and need to talk to people for my sanity.

[06:31:45] <gtaw> Did you ever get that little project finished?

[06:31:47] <NathanP> Or both.

[06:31:53] <gtaw> Geeze I forget what it was..

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[06:32:20] <gtaw> Databases are for nerds.  I store everything in plain text @_@

[06:33:38] <NathanP> Databases are for cool kids.

[06:33:56] <gtaw> Like drugs?

[06:34:00] <NathanP> Yep.

[06:34:20] <gtaw> I wish I had ome drugs.

[06:34:27] <gtaw> some

[06:35:05] <NathanP> I'm getting high off Ubuntu 9.10.

[06:35:18] <NathanP> I like the new interface. Brown is the new (Ugly) orange.

[06:35:31] <gtaw> That's no kind of high, man..

[06:36:08] <NathanP> Well, I need to try a new distro release and this week it's Ubuntu.

[06:36:55] <NathanP> For the first time in Ubuntu history, audio works out of the box.

[06:37:02] <NathanP> For me, anyways.

[06:39:11] <NathanP> So, a little birdie told me Qt got a nice new port to Haiku recently.

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[06:41:40] <{V}> NathanP, yes. http://dev.osdrawer.net/projects/33

[06:43:00] <khindenburg> {V}: that sire down or just really slow?

[06:43:14] <khindenburg>  s/sire/site

[06:43:38] <cb88> just slow

[06:43:47] <NathanP> I also see a new browser is now available via this port.

[06:43:59] <NathanP> Interesting, my compliments to the people behind this work.

[06:44:02] <cb88> arora

[06:44:22] <cb88> don't right click on links.... locks it up

[06:44:34] <cb88> otherwise its amazing

[06:45:06] <NathanP> I'll need to get the latest Haiku revision and start checking things out.

[06:50:30] <NathanP> Scary movie indeed.

[06:50:35] * JonathanThompson loves that disclaimer :P

[06:51:10] <NathanP> JonathanThompson, weren't you the one calling me a lunatic for the driver craze I have?

[06:51:21] <JonathanThompson> Sounds correct :)

[06:51:32] <NathanP> Long time, little see.

[06:51:40] <JonathanThompson> Nothing has changed, I presume ;)

[06:51:52] <JonathanThompson> Life is like that sometimes.

[06:52:16] <NathanP> Want to know my progress?

[06:52:24] <JonathanThompson> Still attempting to force that driver to build in Haiku?

[06:52:30] <NathanP> Jus.

[06:52:38] <JonathanThompson> Jus?

[06:52:43] <NathanP> Yes.

[06:52:57] <JonathanThompson> I see it has affected your typing schools :P

[06:53:07] <NathanP> No, I did that for effect.

[06:53:14] * JonathanThompson wonders how THAT happened

[06:53:41] <JonathanThompson> I must have been multithrashing.

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[06:54:50] <NathanP> JonathanThompson, it's become a hobby of mine, to spend my spare time typing out 'jam' in a terminal all day.

[06:55:08] <michaelvo> somebody have a haiku gcc4 here?

[06:55:13] <NathanP> Sometimes if I feel reckless, I type it in two. ;)

[06:55:17] * JonathanThompson orders a NathanP-sized white jacket with sleeves that fasten in the back

[06:55:35] <NathanP> They had that in the Ubuntu shop.

[06:56:54] <{V}> michaelvo, the compiler or an haiku-image built with the compiler?

[06:57:08] <JonathanThompson> So, have you been making any changes in your attempt at self-mental-mutilation, NathanP ?

[06:57:26] <NathanP> Yes, I've been going down the revision list and tweaking with files and the like.

[06:57:32] <NathanP> I expect to make no progress until 2011.

[06:57:45] <JonathanThompson> Well, as long as you have a good realistic schedule!

[06:58:23] <michaelvo> and with dev tools installed

[06:58:27] <NathanP> One of these days, I'll have that driver a' compilin'.

[06:58:43] <NathanP> And when I do, I will launch my own web site showcasing my desktop at full resolution.

[06:58:44] <JonathanThompson> Before or after Haiku has been migrated to 64 bits?

[06:58:58] <JonathanThompson> (Or, 128!)

[06:59:07] <michaelvo> I need of a copy that libtool inside

[06:59:12] * JonathanThompson is an optimist

[06:59:22] <NathanP> 128 Bit? Don't be crazy. There be no such thing.

[06:59:30] * michaelvo rebuild a sdl gcc4 libs

[06:59:33] <JonathanThompson> How can you be so sure?

[06:59:34] <NathanP> 128 Bit is just a fairy tail mommy and daddy's tell kids at night to help them sleep.

[06:59:41] * michaelvo rebuilding *ALL* sdl gcc4 libs

[06:59:48] * JonathanThompson thinks of the car commercials, "Wider is better!"

[07:00:08] <JonathanThompson> NathanP: Haiku will be running on GPUs :P

[07:00:21] <NathanP> And I will be running on a Beagelboard.

[07:00:23] * michaelvo thinks that never I'll be have money to buy a wider car

[07:00:36] * JonathanThompson imagines Haiku running under OpenCL on OSX Snow Leopard

[07:01:12] * michaelvo thinks that never will be have money to buy apple pc

[07:01:13] <JonathanThompson> That'd be a massive JIT compilation delay :P

[07:01:35] * NathanP imagines running Haiku in a VM on AmigaOS 5 running in a VM of BeOS R5.0.3 running in a VM of Windows ME.

[07:02:01] <cb88> with vga pass through... on top of that

[07:02:05] * JonathanThompson adds a few more layers, adds Linux and Windows XP and Vista and 7

[07:02:19] <JonathanThompson> All under VMWare Fusion on OSX.

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[07:02:34] <NathanP> But we need ME to be the host.

[07:02:36] <cb88> actually with xen it all runs fairly native speed

[07:02:57] * JonathanThompson isn't sure ME can be a host for any VM

[07:03:02] <OmniMancer> you just can't play games on windows under xen :(

[07:03:06] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps under QEMU

[07:03:08] <NathanP> Afterall, Windows Me is the Best Windows release ever!

[07:03:15] <cb88> OmniMancer: says who...

[07:03:16] * JonathanThompson coughs up a hairball

[07:03:21] <NathanP> We need to switch Haiku to FAT16!

[07:03:29] <ddavid123> has anyone noticed that bookmarks disappear after reboot?

[07:03:49] <NathanP> In BeZilla?

[07:03:50] <ddavid123> on the browser that is.

[07:03:50] <JonathanThompson> That'll be great, NathanP: we'll just have to put the stuff under many partitions just to have support for enough files :P

[07:03:53] <ddavid123> yes

[07:04:00] * michaelvo thing how somebody runs  Win Me

[07:04:01] <NathanP> Yes, it's genius!

[07:04:11] <JonathanThompson> Since it's <65536 files possible per FAT16 partition.

[07:04:11] <michaelvo> think

[07:04:38] <JonathanThompson> And that's only if they each take up a single allocation unit, do you get close to that.

[07:04:43] <NathanP> One of these years, I'm going to dedicate a WHOLE year to running Me.

[07:04:52] <ddavid123> good luck

[07:04:52] <NathanP> I'll dedicate a web site to it, showing my life with the OS.

[07:04:55] <NathanP> UStream, all of it.

[07:05:01] <JonathanThompson> And you're going to call it your ME year?  Because it's all about me?

[07:05:03] <NathanP> Then see me get hundreds of BSOD's every day!

[07:05:06] <NathanP> Muahahahaa!

[07:05:18] * JonathanThompson thinks NathanP needs a vacation with drugs

[07:05:22] <gtaw> Haha

[07:05:31] <cb88> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pikwgl8bac8  << xen is definitly working there

[07:05:40] <gtaw> Bah!

[07:05:43] <NathanP> Yeah, that clip is screwed up.

[07:05:44] <JonathanThompson> Windows 98SE, if not installed with crapware, was the best 9x release.

[07:05:47] <gtaw> Liberal media, that is!

[07:05:50] <NathanP> Watching one of those off "Real Story" movies.

[07:05:54] <ddavid123> true!

[07:05:58] <ddavid123> 98 SE

[07:06:11] <NathanP> Microsoft is selling PC's now.

[07:06:17] <gtaw> I ran 98SE until a few years after 2K was released

[07:06:25] <NathanP> I'm going to buy one at a MS store and ask for every Apple and Google product!

[07:06:31] <NathanP> Then ask them to wipe the HD and install Linux!

[07:06:34] <ddavid123> I loved the screensavers in Win (* SE

[07:06:40] <ddavid123> win 98

[07:06:52] * JonathanThompson would laugh if Microsoft decided to sell Macs with Windows 7 preinstalled

[07:07:00] <ddavid123> lol

[07:07:09] <JonathanThompson> I don't see what the problem would be ;)

[07:07:20] <ddavid123> rotflmao

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[07:07:43] <JonathanThompson> "Windows 7 runs very nicely on Apple's machines, why run OSX?"

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[07:08:11] <NathanP> Why run OS X or Win7 when I can run Me?

[07:08:12] <JonathanThompson> It'd truly demonstrate that for both to win, neither one has to lose, right???

[07:08:15] <ddavid123> Ubuntu should run just as well!

[07:08:26] <NathanP> True, Me was a crappy release, but it introduced some nice features.

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[07:08:52] <JonathanThompson> Apple sells the hardware and gets the profit margin, and keeps their rep for good hardware (earned or not) and Microsoft gets a good machine to show off Win 7 on.

[07:09:11] <gtaw> The only thing keeping me from going with an Apple machine is the one button mouse.

[07:09:18] <JonathanThompson> I don't see a conflict "{

[07:09:23] <JonathanThompson> :P

[07:09:25] <gtaw> I have 5 fingers and I'm only supposed to use one?

[07:09:32] <JonathanThompson> gtaw: you can always use PC mice :)

[07:09:32] <gtaw> How about the middle one?

[07:09:35] <ddavid123> Perhaps Microsoft should buy Dell and sell Windows based PC's

[07:09:39] <NathanP> gtaw, they improved it: the Magic Mouse. It's a giant touchpaded mouse.

[07:09:44] <ddavid123> Or HP

[07:10:06] <JonathanThompson> You can bet Microsoft sells all their Microsoft branded mice and keyboards in their new stores.

[07:10:07] <ddavid123> And develop Microsoft just for their PC.

[07:10:08] <gtaw> I'm happy with my PC.

[07:10:27] <ddavid123> And windows too

[07:10:48] * JonathanThompson wonders how well Microsoft will do with their new store chain

[07:11:08] <NathanP> I figure it'll go the way of Bing.

[07:11:14] <NathanP> Hot for a month, then dead the next.

[07:11:26] <JonathanThompson> Reports are they're selling machines without crapware preinstalled, which a lot of people won't get without getting fresh installs from separate Windows discs.

[07:11:39] <JonathanThompson> That could be, but who knows?

[07:11:40] <NathanP> No crapware is a plus.

[07:11:43] <ddavid123> Bing, silverlight, I think they are trying to control the internet!

[07:11:52] <JonathanThompson> Maybe it'll be like XBox: many years losing money, but not shut down.

[07:11:58] <NathanP> Well, they do want a computer on every desk, in every home.

[07:12:03] <NathanP> (With Windows.)

[07:12:25] <NathanP> That's a screwed up clip.

[07:12:26] <NathanP> Yep.

[07:12:34] <ddavid123> they would have to pay me $300 to use Windows!  lol

[07:12:36] <JonathanThompson> Seriously, Vista works pretty well on this iMac, the few times I've booted into it :P

[07:12:57] <JonathanThompson> And this machine is a couple years old now.

[07:12:58] <Ober2> is there cd burning software for h?

[07:13:15] <NathanP> For h? Haiku?

[07:13:22] <Ober2> yeah

[07:13:26] <JonathanThompson> I think there should be something that works, Ober2, but I'm not sure of details.

[07:13:34] <Ober2> k

[07:13:43] <NathanP> What about CDrecord?

[07:13:47] <JonathanThompson> Not sure if the SATA/IDE Stack works as BeOS's does with software.

[07:13:49] <NathanP> Someone was doing a port of JABA.

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[07:15:39] <ddavid123> where can I go to find when Alpha 2 will be released?  Is there any discussion?

[07:16:11] <NathanP> Alpha 2 will be release on December 12, 2012 right after we all die.

[07:16:18] <NathanP> (Yes, that's the catch.)

[07:16:37] <ddavid123> lol

[07:17:48] <Ober2> so what was the mayan date for the arrival of the white man? :P

[07:18:12] <ddavid123> too soon!

[07:18:26] <NathanP> Didn't you know? The white men were there all along.

[07:18:42] <NathanP> We had spies in Tenochtitlan and other places in MesoAmerica.

[07:18:48] <NathanP> We're crazy like that.

[07:19:26] <Ober2> actually they were in Teotihuacan

[07:19:49] <ddavid123> yea, we're crazy alright

[07:20:47] <ddavid123> no nightly build tonight.

[07:20:53] <ddavid123> I checked

[07:22:13] <ddavid123> be back later.

[07:23:20] <NathanP> ddavid123, it becomes easier to just use your SVN sources.

[07:23:43] <NathanP> Be a man, use SVN.

[07:23:59] <ddavid123> how can I install that?

[07:24:35] <NathanP> SVN is built into Haiku.

[07:24:44] <NathanP> Check the Haiku web site for SVN commands.

[07:24:45] * NathanP looks.

[07:24:57] <ddavid123> I have never used svn

[07:25:10] <NathanP> http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building/get-source

[07:25:31] <NathanP> http://www.haiku-os.org/guides

[07:26:05] <ddavid123> build the nightly images from source, what?

[07:26:11] <ddavid123> take all night

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[07:27:52] <NathanP> No, after a while it becomes second nature.

[07:27:58] <NathanP> Believe me. I do it every hour on the hour.

[07:28:10] <NathanP> Ask JonathanThompson. He'll back me up.

[07:28:41] <ddavid123> I don't think so, but thanks for the tip

[07:29:01] <ddavid123> sounds too complicated

[07:29:29] <ddavid123> besides, I already have Haiku installed in VirtualBox

[07:30:06] <NathanP> Shame, it's a real turning point for a boy to become a man when he can use his own SVN sources.

[07:31:35] <ddavid123> I may try it, if I goof up, I can always revert to an earlier screenshot.

[07:33:07] <NathanP> Anyone else seen that Paranormal Activity?

[07:33:25] <NathanP> I saw it earlier today and I couldn't help but want to punch the guy next to me in the face.

[07:33:45] <ddavid123> yes, cool ending

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[07:34:18] <ddavid123> the best non scary scary movie ever

[07:34:26] <cb88> ddavid123: svn is not hard... its all well documented

[07:34:37] <NathanP> It had some genuine scares, which made it a good movie.

[07:34:42] <ddavid123> ok, I will give it a try

[07:34:51] <ddavid123> ]yes

[07:34:57] <cb88> mostly copy paste... untill you start trying out new stuff

[07:35:04] <NathanP> I was hoping we'd see the cops get kills on camera, though.

[07:35:10] <NathanP> But that's just a fantasy of mine.

[07:35:11] <NathanP> >_>

[07:35:12] <NathanP> <_<

[07:35:16] <ddavid123> especially the old burned picture!!!!!

[07:35:20] * NathanP wanted more violence!

[07:36:03] <NathanP> I'm sure I could make a more scary movie involving my cat, though.

[07:36:03] <ddavid123> and the footsteps

[07:36:10] <ddavid123> lol

[07:36:20] <NathanP> I did like the footsteps.

[07:36:26] <NathanP> I swear, I saw the Nike logo in the powder.

[07:36:27] <ddavid123> I may watch it again in a minute

[07:36:58] <NathanP> Who knew demons wear Nike? I didn't, until now.

[07:37:28] <ddavid123> "now you know the rest of the story".

[07:37:37] <NathanP> If I'm ever at an exorcism, I'll just pass around some Converse All Stars.

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[07:38:08] <ddavid123> I would have locked the bedroom door on the second night!!!!

[07:38:21] <NathanP> What if they locked it in their bedroom?

[07:38:37] <NathanP> Katie: "Honey, did you make sure it's not in the room before you did that?'

[07:38:43] <NathanP> Micah: "Uh..."

[07:38:44] <ddavid123> it always started downstairs.

[07:38:53] <NathanP> I thought it started via the attic.

[07:39:08] <ddavid123> perhaps

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[07:39:23] <NathanP> The powder scene.

[07:39:36] <NathanP> It started at the attic, not the stairs.

[07:39:40] <ddavid123> what then caused the chandelier to move

[07:39:48] <NathanP> They had a Frat party.

[07:39:56] <ddavid123> funny

[07:39:56] <NathanP> Demons are hip too, you know.

[07:40:05] <NathanP> Conjur a few kegs, have a few phat demon pals over.

[07:40:14] <ddavid123> don't you mean deamons

[07:40:30] <ddavid123> that is spooky too

[07:40:35] <NathanP> Well, what if it was just the ghost of Mr. Rodgers?

[07:40:47] <ddavid123> lol

[07:40:48] <NathanP> What if they were in his Neighborhood, that's all?

[07:41:06] <ddavid123> neighborhood went to heck then

[07:41:31] <NathanP> Still, not bad for a 15K budget film.

[07:41:45] <NathanP> I've seen more expensive ventures flop.

[07:42:08] <ddavid123> yea, I was waiting for a demon to pop in front of the camera and scare the #^@# out of me!

[07:42:33] <NathanP> That's ruin it.

[07:42:43] <NathanP> Your not suppose to see anything, but just let your mind play with you.

[07:43:04] <ddavid123> the scariest part is her being dragged into the closet!  And the end

[07:43:32] <NathanP> Yeah, she was dragged into the closet allot.

[07:43:37] <NathanP> Wonder if that's a metaphor.

[07:43:52] <ddavid123> of what I imagine?

[07:43:58] <OmniMancer> are there plans to port ogre3d?

[07:44:10] <NathanP> What's ogre3d?

[07:44:24] <ddavid123> I forgot there were others here, sorry.

[07:44:27] * NathanP is too tried to know.

[07:44:30] <cb88> game engine

[07:44:38] <NathanP> Oh, yes.

[07:44:43] <NathanP> I don't know.

[07:45:15] <NathanP> ddavid123, yes, by metaphor, I meant how she was living a sheltered life and hiding from her fears instead of confronting them.

[07:45:24] <NathanP> Or just being dragged into the closet by a giant demon.

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[07:46:07] <ddavid123> isn't id software making a new game engine?

[07:46:31] <NathanP> Possible. I'd imagine id is up to several things.

[07:48:15] <ddavid123> it is called Rage

[07:48:23] <ddavid123> multi platform

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[07:50:41] <cb88> no engine is id tech 5 ... Rage is a game

[07:50:51] <cb88> using it

[07:52:00] <cb88> it will run on the xbox 360 and have megatextures (like 20Gb of texture)

[07:52:34] <NathanP> 20GB of textures?

[07:52:45] <NathanP> So, the game wouldn't even fit on my HD?

[07:52:49] <NathanP> Aw....

[07:53:18] <OmniMancer> its not a game engine it's a graphics engine

[07:53:32] <NathanP> We're all wrong.

[07:53:34] <NathanP> Settle with that.

[07:53:50] <NathanP> I need to kill 15 hours before I get sick off candy while sitting in my own costume waste.

[07:54:15] <NathanP> I'm having a movie marathon and buying myself bags of candy.

[07:56:17] <cb88> how am I wrong... pratically quoted wikipidia XD

[07:56:58] <NathanP> Exactly!@

[07:57:03] <NathanP> Shot yourself int he foot there.

[08:00:06] <cb88> :-P

[08:00:27] <CIA-72> modeenf * r33850 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/input_server/filters/shortcut_catcher/BitFieldTesters.cpp:

[08:00:27] <CIA-72> BOM are a nice thing :)

[08:00:27] <CIA-72> This would fix the gcc4 build..

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[08:47:46] <GeneralMaximus> hi :)

[08:48:41] <GeneralMaximus> quick question: i need to use Caps Lock as a secondary Ctrl button. problem is, Keymap is only letting me swap keys (ie, the Ctrl key becomes Caps Lock and vice versa)

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[09:07:08] <prOSy|flexible> heya

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[09:41:00] <CIA-72> modeenf * r33851 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/gradients/ (8 files): An old code cleanup I have had along time.. run that python also..

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[10:15:49] <mmu_man> plo

[10:15:51] <mmu_man> plop

[10:15:55] <mmu_man> umccullough I just got the table runner :)

[10:16:01] <mmu_man> nice, not as heavy as I thought

[10:20:24] <mmu_man> (DEBUG)  Missing ad  code.  Array (  [position]  => 2 )

[10:20:33] <mmu_man> lol, like the ads on sourceforge ;)))

[10:21:31] <jan__64> short question, how do I access pci in haiku like /proc/bus/pci/devices in linux?

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[10:27:14] <mmu_man> you don't

[10:27:22] <mmu_man> well, we don't expose them to userland this way

[10:27:30] <mmu_man> what do you need from them ?

[10:27:51] <jan__64> setting my nvidia fan speed

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[10:31:03] <jan__64> so how do I get access then? driver?

[10:31:29] <mmu_man> hmm an option is to use /bin/poke

[10:31:47] <mmu_man> or its device with the private header

[10:33:11] <jan__64> there is no /bin/poke

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[10:36:37] <mmu_man> hmm not in the image ?

[10:37:27] <mmu_man> oh, odd the driver is, not the bin

[10:37:27] <jan__64> no and not in http://svn.haiku-os.org/haiku/haiku/trunk/src/bin/

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[10:39:05] <mmu_man> wanna write it ? ;)

[10:42:23] <jan__64> hm maybe

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[10:47:47] <jan__64> reboot

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[12:55:25] <leszek> hi

[12:56:12] <fhein> hello

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[13:22:09] <CIA-72> modeenf * r33852 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/gradients/Jamfile: Fix a left over, thanks Jerome (hm must use UTF-8)

[13:28:26] <mmu_man> http://sunlightlabs.com/blog/2009/adobe-bad-open-government/ heck

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[13:29:54] <StreaK|ON> hiya

[13:33:03] <luroh> StreaK|ON: hi, i took a look at the syslog you posted yesterday and i don't think your cpu usage problem has anything to do with the hda driver

[13:33:25] <luroh> what at first looked like repetitions in that irc paste actually looked legitimate in the syslog

[13:37:37] <StreaK|ON> i did made jump into new rev yesterday's evening and everything was back to normal

[13:37:54] <luroh> oh ok

[13:37:55] <StreaK|ON> to 8-15% cpu usage on idle

[13:38:18] <StreaK|ON>  Changed 14 hours ago by streak   Update: i've jump into rev33836 about minute ago with all apps-preferences saved from rev33822 and everything turns to acceptable level => cpu usage while idle 8-15%

[13:38:47] <luroh> still strange though, i wonder what was going on there

[13:38:50] <luroh> oh well

[13:39:49] <StreaK|ON> so maybe , some driver was looking for something, that couldnt find..

[13:41:07] <StreaK|ON> for example, after KDL & reset , i was having a problem wth the icons that disappeared from my desktop, and files just downloaded

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[13:44:37] <StreaK|ON> most annoying with this 50% usage was aditional hdd usage [ haiku seeks for something because my hdd led couldnt stop flashing 'til closing the system ]

[13:48:30] <luroh> perhaps if it happens again, you can try to stay with it a bit longer, for the devs to have a chance of finding out what's going on

[13:48:40] <luroh> although i do understand it is very annoying if you're using haiku as your main operating system

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[13:52:06] <yoritomo> hello everybody

[13:52:18] <StreaK|ON> hi

[13:52:21] <x0rx0r_> hi

[13:52:30] <yoritomo> i am coding some apps , but i would like your advice for maximum portability

[13:52:54] <yoritomo> GTK QT4 or WX-Widget what is the best choice ?

[13:53:01] <yoritomo> actually i code under qt4

[13:53:17] <Hertta> Qt. ;)

[13:53:22] <x0rx0r_> qt

[13:53:28] <StreaK|ON> luroh, if it happens agan i'll make bigger investigation

[13:53:42] <luroh> alright :)

[13:54:05] <yoritomo> wx-widget not good on haiku ?

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[13:54:38] <pulkomandy> yoritomo, we only have a very recent (read unfinished) port of Qt

[13:54:43] <pulkomandy> no gtk and no wx yet

[13:54:50] <PasNox> hello all

[13:55:15] <PasNox> yoritomo: definitively Qt 4

[13:55:31] <PasNox> wxwidgets is win32 api oriented and suxx

[13:55:35] <PasNox> gtk just sucks ;)

[13:57:03] <yoritomo> unfinished does it means it still buggy ?

[13:57:14] <x0rx0r_> perfect definition :)

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[13:58:29] <yoritomo> but compilable anyway or randomly ?

[13:58:57] <yoritomo> what is the graphic library native to haiku then ?

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[14:01:45] <mmu_man> yoritomo there is a start of port of wx: http://developer.berlios.de/projects/wxbeos/

[14:01:53] <mmu_man> but it's not much worked on atm

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[14:02:54] <yoritomo> haiku developpers what they use ?

[14:03:01] <mmu_man> ?

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[14:03:27] <mmu_man> we use the native API, "What else?"™

[14:04:20] <yoritomo> what are the native api ? Something very specific to haiku ?

[14:06:16] <mmu_man> the BeAPI

[14:06:28] <mmu_man> since we reimplement the BeOS one

[14:06:40] <mmu_man> and we don't use foreign toolkits or X11

[14:07:27] <mmu_man> http://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/index.html

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[14:09:29] <mmu_man> yoritomo the BeAPI is quite similar to Qt in many aspects (minus the design errors in Qt like UCS-2 in the string class)...

[14:09:40] <mmu_man> sometimes you wonder who copied who (well we all know)

[14:10:02] <yoritomo> oh yes

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[14:10:21] <mma_dia> yeah, really :P

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[14:10:35] <yoritomo> because my worry is to write a software for a specific OS

[14:11:03] <yoritomo> thanks for the information

[14:11:35] <yoritomo> QT4 soon going to be accurate of still be a far wish ?

[14:11:51] <mmu_man> well it already works quite well it seems, didn't try yet

[14:11:58] <mmu_man> hopefully it will get more native now

[14:12:14] <mmu_man> hate ugly/non-native/skinned/... toolkits

[14:13:57] <yoritomo> no plans yet for GTK ?

[14:15:11] <mmu_man> I think someone started

[14:15:28] <yoritomo> PasNox no, WxWidgets it is one of the post portable actually and most connectable to platforms http://www.wxwidgets.org/

[14:15:54] <yoritomo> post -> most

[14:16:04] <OmniMancer> I don't think any of them can deal well with the all windows are threads thing...

[14:16:38] <mmu_man> yoritomo http://ports.haiku-files.org/wiki/x11-libs/gtk%2B

[14:17:32] <mmu_man> OmniMancer well, just like with Firefox or XEmacs they will just get serialized messages

[14:17:38] <mmu_man> it sux but it's the only solution

[14:17:42] <mmu_man> it works quite well for XEmacs

[14:17:49] <mmu_man> appart some message loops with scrollbars sometimes

[14:18:07] <OmniMancer> it takes away the awesome :(

[14:18:47] <mmu_man> it makes it more incentive for native ports :)

[14:19:34] <OmniMancer> or development of BeAPIs for other OSs :P

[14:19:46] <mmu_man> eark

[14:19:52] <mmu_man> well it's been done several times

[14:19:53] <yoritomo> :) then i will have my code in 3 versions :) wxwidget, qt4 and borland de 2 last already done :)

[14:19:59] <mmu_man> Gobe did this to port Productive

[14:21:31] <OmniMancer> is it possible to extricate their work from whoever owns it now?

[14:22:08] <mmu_man> no

[14:22:16] <OmniMancer> :(

[14:22:27] <mmu_man> I think some Haiku devs did port part of the Interface Kit to win32 also long ago...

[14:23:23] <OmniMancer> would be nice to have a port as an incentive to write native haiku stuff and have it still run on other platforms reasonably well if desired

[14:24:41] <PasNox> yoritomo: wxwidget is a bad toolkit ;)

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[14:30:10] <OmniMancer> in what manner?

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[14:32:31] <yoritomo> PasNox why that ?

[14:34:22] <PasNox> it sucks, win32 oriented api and, just ugly to use :)

[14:34:33] <PasNox> it have a good day before because LGPL

[14:34:46] <PasNox> now Qt 4 is LGPL, no more interest in this dieng toolkit :)

[14:35:05] <OmniMancer> code::blocks still uses it :P

[14:35:33] <PasNox> rewriting using another toolkit will be a bad thing ( too much of requiring tme )

[14:35:33] <yoritomo> the excellent Audacity has been made by that

[14:35:46] <PasNox> Monkey Studio IDE is best and Qt 4 based :)

[14:35:53] <PasNox> and u spoke with its author :D

[14:36:02] <mmu_man> XEmacs rulz anyway

[14:36:06] <yoritomo> what is Monkey Studio ?

[14:36:28] <OmniMancer> when will someone write emacsOS?

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[14:36:56] <PasNox> yoritomo: a cross platform IDE ( code::blocks like ) written by me ( and some others devs )

[14:36:59] <PasNox> still young ;)

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[14:37:39] <OmniMancer> isn't monkey studio also the ATI shader IDE?

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[14:38:55] <OmniMancer> oh wait that is render monkey

[14:39:53] <yoritomo> good to know thanks

[14:40:47] <OmniMancer> could you possibly cleanse monkey studio of the Qt look?

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[14:44:57] <OmniMancer> one of the reasons I like code blocks is the aesthetics of the icons...

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[14:46:13] <yoritomo> that is more convinient than the basic QT editor ?

[14:48:32] <OmniMancer> ??

[14:48:51] <yoritomo> actually i use qt-creator which seems to be the official editor

[14:49:06] <OmniMancer> it is I believe

[14:54:20] <yoritomo> what are the main advantage to use Monkey Studio comparate to QT-creator ?

[14:54:34] <yoritomo> is it equivalent ?

[14:55:05] <OmniMancer> monkey studio is an IDE for programming...

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[14:58:54] <yoritomo> ok you mean no special reasons to choose one or other

[14:59:28] <OmniMancer> I get the impression that qt-creator is for interface design?

[15:08:00] <Al2O3> The shutdown menu item in the latest build has a "..." but its a directory/container menu item, is there a reason for this?  Click on that menu item doesn't bring up a panel which the "..." implies.

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[15:08:43] <OmniMancer> it should do

[15:09:08] <OmniMancer> click on it it should bring up the shutdown/restart choice panel.

[15:09:09] <VinDuv> Al2O3: Even if it's a container it can be clicked like a regular menu item

[15:09:25] <Al2O3> ah, thanks!

[15:09:31] <Al2O3> that is true, and I appreciate that very much.

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[15:13:21] <StreaK|ON> im looking for this file -> http://haikuware.ru/files/office/DjVuViewer1.1.0.pkg.zip -> it couldnt be downloaded from there but maybe any of you have it somewhere

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[15:13:59] <StreaK|ON> its most recent version of djvu viewer [ haikuware / bebits have older ver ]

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[15:17:20] <Al2O3> please, would some folks look over this Haiku Menu Tree for accuracy  http://pastie.org/677906

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[15:24:47] <StreaK|ON> AI203 , checked.. everything fine

[15:24:52] <Al2O3> thanks StreaK|ON

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[15:26:21] <StreaK|ON> no prob

[15:26:26] <StreaK|ON> :]

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[16:11:15] <khindenburg>  /grumbles about case sensitive file-systems

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[17:47:31] <CIA-72> jackburton * r33853 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/game/DirectWindow.cpp: removed debug printfs()

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[17:48:44] <GeneralMaximus> hi :)

[17:49:37] <JonathanThompson> ho

[17:49:52] <JonathanThompson> (hi ho, it's off to work we go!)

[17:50:32] <GeneralMaximus> hey JonathanThompson :)

[17:50:51] <JonathanThompson> What are you up to? No good, like normal? :P

[17:51:25] <mmadia> does anyone use Pe with a dark Background color?

[17:52:04] <GeneralMaximus> JonathanThompson: yeah. how did you know? :p

[17:52:11] <JonathanThompson> SOP :P

[17:52:39] <GeneralMaximus> sop?

[17:52:49] <ober> standard operating procedure

[17:52:54] <GeneralMaximus> aha

[17:53:54] <GeneralMaximus> hm, these SpicyKeys don't seem to be working

[17:54:02] <GeneralMaximus> does it require an input_server restart?

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[18:05:14] <JonathanThompson> It very well might, GeneralMaximus, or else the input_server won't know to start it.

[18:06:02] * JonathanThompson doesn't think the input_server does node monitoring for the add-on folder

[18:06:53] <GeneralMaximus> okay, so that means a restart

[18:06:54] <JonathanThompson> Even if it did, the preferences panel should show status that it has found other add-ons that have changed, and let you choose to restart the input_server or not.

[18:07:12] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps you can file a ticket for that request :p

[18:07:33] <GeneralMaximus> perhaps

[18:07:48] <gtaw> Hikoo

[18:07:50] <GeneralMaximus> it just got into trunk this morning (morning for me)

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[18:08:01] <GeneralMaximus> i'll wait a bit

[18:08:17] <GeneralMaximus> it even broke the build. luckily BOM caught it

[18:08:27] <JonathanThompson> ack.

[18:09:23] <mmadia> w00t for BOM!

[18:09:34] <GeneralMaximus> heh

[18:09:35] <stpere> thanks mmadia for BOM :)

[18:09:36] <GeneralMaximus> mmadia++

[18:09:39] <GeneralMaximus> :)

[18:09:44] <JonathanThompson> I expect that's not the last time BOM makes itself valuable.

[18:09:57] <JonathanThompson> The problem is there are humans involved in the whole project ;)

[18:10:03] <mmadia> i counted about 50 errors that it caught :)

[18:10:04] <stpere> JonathanThompson: what is your costume? :)

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[18:10:26] <JonathanThompson> I'm going as you, stpere, so all little kids will be screaming in pure unadulterated fear :D

[18:10:33] <mmadia> that's not even counting the ones that were detected before emailing error reports was possible :)

[18:10:36] <stpere> lol

[18:10:57] * JonathanThompson hopes stpere is the same height and build

[18:11:14] <stpere> 5'11" - 6' 190 pounds

[18:11:26] <JonathanThompson> Well, you come up a little bit short on both accounts :)

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[18:11:33] <stpere> hehe

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[18:11:45] <JonathanThompson> Right now, I'm 6' and about 220 pounds (I need to get that latter one down a bit)

[18:11:56] * stpere is now known as miniJonathanThompson

[18:12:04] <JonathanThompson> I don't look very heavy, because.... I'm dense.

[18:12:13] <umccullough> oh, how could you stoop so low stef

[18:12:15] <umccullough> stpere,

[18:12:21] <stpere> lol

[18:12:24] <JonathanThompson> What's the farthest distance you run, stpere ? :)

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[18:12:30] * JonathanThompson poits umccullough

[18:12:41] <stpere> heh

[18:12:45] <stpere> I don't :P

[18:12:55] <JonathanThompson> You'll have a hard time convincing others, then :P

[18:12:56] <stpere> I used to be a good runner tho

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[18:12:58] <gtaw> No arguments with the dense statement above, JonathanThompson.

[18:12:59] <stpere> more a sprinter

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[18:13:13] <JonathanThompson> I make a far better door than window :)

[18:13:26] <gtaw> stpere runs from the po

[18:13:45] <gtaw> He can do the 100m 6' Privacy Fence in 5 seconds.

[18:13:47] <stpere> hehe, no comments

[18:13:59] <JonathanThompson> Remember: this channel is logged :P

[18:14:08] <stpere> yes

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[18:14:11] <gtaw> So is my telephone.

[18:14:29] <stpere> bomb

[18:14:30] <JonathanThompson> We might as well all get used to it: it's the way of the future ®

[18:14:33] <stpere> ben laden

[18:14:41] <stpere> there you go.. got their attention

[18:15:02] <JonathanThompson> I think they're expecting it to be spelled Bin Laden....

[18:15:04] <JonathanThompson> (Not sure)

[18:15:06] <gtaw> I used to be able to do the mile in 6 minutes

[18:15:08] <umccullough> probably

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[18:15:20] <stpere> heh, well, that's why they missed him so far

[18:15:23] <Build-O-Matic> (mmadia)

[18:15:27] <gtaw> Now my knees say "NO!".

[18:15:36] * JonathanThompson wishes he'd convert himself into a mere shell script of his former self instead of a fully formed, compiled bin

[18:15:43] <Build-O-Matic> eventually i hope to tie in an IRC bot to announce build failures :)

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[18:15:51] <GeneralMaximus> mmadia is dressing up as BOM ?

[18:15:59] * GeneralMaximus wonders how that would work

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[18:16:21] <JonathanThompson> GeneralMaximus: lots of printouts as the costume, with all the errors reported :)

[18:16:36] <GeneralMaximus> JonathanThompson: but ... who will break the build?

[18:16:45] <mmadia> or draw a bunch of 1's and 0's over myself.

[18:16:46] <JonathanThompson> A build breaker, of course :)

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[18:16:52] <stpere> my boss asked if I was going to go dressed at work .. I said (before my coffee) : "duh.. of course, I won't come naked for sure"

[18:17:02] <JonathanThompson> That might improve your chances for dates, mmadia, you should try it :P

[18:17:22] <JonathanThompson> I'm sure your boss loved that :)

[18:17:31] <stpere> everyone did :P

[18:17:34] <gtaw> I'm going as inflation this year.

[18:17:42] * tqh wonders what shenaningans JonathanThompson is up to now.

[18:17:55] * JonathanThompson notes tqh has a firm understanding

[18:18:08] <JonathanThompson> Are you into corporate law, and haven't been telling us, tqh ???

[18:18:38] <gtaw> He's Harvey Birdman

[18:18:54] <tqh> I choose to not answer that question

[18:18:54] <Ingenu> mmh

[18:19:24] <JonathanThompson> tqh: I've been working on a card/board game that is a weird cross between a Rubik's Cube, the card game "Garbage" or "Trash" (depending on locale) and a pattern matching game.

[18:19:45] <JonathanThompson> Enough to cause some people to run in fright over the concept.

[18:19:55] <JonathanThompson> (But the game DOES work)

[18:20:43] <tqh> JonathanThompson ah same as everybody else then :)

[18:21:09] <JonathanThompson> Er, yeah, if they're devising games that someone claims needs a mathematician to understand :P

[18:21:21] * JonathanThompson is not a mathematician, though he may play one on TV

[18:21:30] <gtaw> Lies!

[18:21:42] <gtaw> Mathematicians don't watch TV!

[18:22:02] <gtaw> They write the finacial equations that subsidize said TV shows!

[18:22:05] <gtaw> @_@

[18:22:05] * JonathanThompson is confused as to why gtaw is confused

[18:22:08] <tqh> so it's basically a sudoko ripoff?

[18:22:12] <JonathanThompson> No.

[18:22:29] <stpere> confuzled

[18:22:34] <gtaw> It's called Soduku.

[18:22:39] <gtaw> JT's game ;)

[18:22:45] <tqh> haha

[18:22:50] <JonathanThompson> No, I'm not doing Yet Another Sudoku

[18:22:58] <tqh> j/k

[18:23:17] <JonathanThompson> With the system, people have the option of throwing that in there, though, if they're not using a software version written in stone ;)

[18:23:27] <JonathanThompson> But it'd probably appeal to much the same audience.

[18:23:37] <stpere> I invented a game once

[18:23:44] <stpere> it was called monopoly

[18:23:47] <stpere> never worked

[18:23:49] * JonathanThompson nods

[18:24:01] <JonathanThompson> This isn't my first game by any means.

[18:24:03] <stpere> some guy bought the concept for 20$

[18:24:04] <tqh> I played drums in Spice Girls...

[18:24:12] <gtaw> Haha

[18:24:23] * JonathanThompson wonders how old stpere is :)

[18:24:41] <stpere> I had a guy bragging about how he coded all the cash register for a chain of "1 dollar stores"

[18:24:44] <stpere> wow

[18:24:51] <stpere> I'm amazed at the cheer difficulty

[18:25:02] <gtaw> Ever examine that software?

[18:25:07] <stpere> nah

[18:25:08] <JonathanThompson> Cheer difficulty?

[18:25:11] <JonathanThompson> That depressing?

[18:25:12] <stpere> err

[18:25:18] <JonathanThompson> :p

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[18:25:36] <gtaw> Huge VB buttons that say "TOTAL!"

[18:25:40] <stpere> lol

[18:25:51] <JonathanThompson> Though having spent 10.5 months working delivering pizza in Indianapolis, the POS software was truly a POS.

[18:25:56] <stpere> or TOTAL!!!

[18:27:46] <gtaw> I'm going to write edutainment software.

[18:27:55] <JonathanThompson> There were clearly cases of uninitialized variables in the code: it's generally not a good sign when sometimes the prices are assigned random negative numbers.

[18:28:11] <stpere> lol

[18:28:12] <JonathanThompson> Or every so often, the make station printers don't print.

[18:28:25] <JonathanThompson> So the kitchen staff doesn't know they're supposed to be making something.

[18:29:02] <JonathanThompson> Or dropping orders into the ether entirely: good thing one time that happened, I had somehow remembered the 3 odd pizzas and the ultimate destination (a local HP plant) to deliver to.

[18:29:10] <JonathanThompson> The boss was surprised I remembered that order :P

[18:29:16] <gtaw> Going to write pervasive copyright protection systems for crappy little shareware games :]

[18:30:21] <JonathanThompson> It was incredibly frustrating: there I was, more than qualified to write the software they need, but stuck delivering pizza for $6.50/hour plus tips, and the district manager saying about the software, "It's just old!"

[18:30:28] <JonathanThompson> As if software rotted with age!

[18:30:35] <gtaw> It'll require a sample of your DNA to unlock the save feature!

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[18:31:06] <gtaw> Yeah I had that happen, to JonathanThompson.

[18:31:12] <JonathanThompson> gtaw: make sure it requires the right form of DNA-containing material, so you can keep undesirables out ;)

[18:31:24] <gtaw> True.

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[18:32:31] <paulojbe> BFS by default is big endian or little endian?

[18:32:36] <JonathanThompson> Yes.

[18:32:41] <gtaw> Actually I'll just make it so I have to personally visit to unlock it.

[18:32:45] <fly-away> :D

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[18:35:32] <gtaw> What a boring day.

[18:35:46] <gtaw> Halloween sucks when you're an adult.

[18:35:49] <JonathanThompson> If you go out and do something very bad, it won't be so boring, now will it?

[18:36:09] <JonathanThompson> Think of how the environment is super target-rich with all the bad things you can get away with!

[18:36:23] <JonathanThompson> (I say, think about it, don't do it!)

[18:36:29] <gtaw> Hehe

[18:38:27] <gtaw> I am a good guy.

[18:38:39] <JonathanThompson> Then going bad for a day will be that much less boring :)

[18:40:26] <gtaw> You are bad influence.

[18:40:35] <JonathanThompson> Only if you want me to be.

[18:40:45] <JonathanThompson> Either that, I just have a warped sense of humor :)

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[18:41:06] <JonathanThompson> After all, I can't make you do anything.

[18:41:18] <gtaw> Yeah you can.

[18:41:21] * GeneralMaximus will never let his kids near JonathanThompson

[18:41:36] * JonathanThompson suspects GeneralMaximus doesn't have kids

[18:41:45] <JonathanThompson> Easy promise to keep :P

[18:41:47] <gtaw> I have one.

[18:41:55] <GeneralMaximus> JonathanThompson: no i don't

[18:42:03] <GeneralMaximus> JonathanThompson: but when i do, i'll keep them away from you :p

[18:42:06] <gtaw> I would totally let him hop in the back of your candy van, JT ;)

[18:42:10] <JonathanThompson> GeneralMaximus: I'm mostly harmless :P

[18:42:28] <GeneralMaximus> heh

[18:42:37] <JonathanThompson> But if you're stupid enough to screw me over for long enough, I'm not nearly so harmless.

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[18:43:04] <gtaw> Pff

[18:43:06] * GeneralMaximus notes that down

[18:43:18] <gtaw> I've been stealing your newspaper for 12 years.

[18:43:27] <gtaw> I don't even read it!

[18:43:41] <JonathanThompson> And here I thought the reason was that I hadn't subscribed!  Wow, what a fool I've been!

[18:44:01] <gtaw> Sinister Laugh!

[18:45:26] <HeTo> gtaw: you do steal the bills and pay for them so he doesn't suspect at all that he might be getting a newspaper, don't you?

[18:45:54] <gtaw> Exactly.

[18:46:06] <helf> gtaw, im going to try and get those boards mailed out monday

[18:46:08] <helf> with some ram

[18:46:17] <gtaw> Not a problem, helf.

[18:46:28] <gtaw> I'm not sweating you :)

[18:46:33] <helf> :P

[18:47:37] <JonathanThompson> Good, because sweating him is my right, and I'd be very upset if you were sweating him instead of me! :P

[18:48:12] * JonathanThompson wonders how long it'll take for a shower to get rid of helf-sweat

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[18:48:29] <helf> that is really gross sounding

[18:48:45] <JonathanThompson> You'd be the one best qualified to judge that :D

[18:49:42] <jmayfield__> hmm

[18:49:49] <gtaw> I love texas hold'em.

[18:50:05] <gtaw> Actually I like all poker.

[18:50:17] <JonathanThompson> Especially when a woman is involved with the poking?

[18:50:18] <jmayfield__> JonathanThompson, ever looked at tornado (python based async server goodness)?

[18:50:28] <JonathanThompson> I have not, jmayfield__

[18:50:31] <jmayfield__> non-blocking async goodness

[18:50:32] <jmayfield__> heh

[18:50:33] <gtaw> Yes

[18:50:55] <jmayfield__> JonathanThompson, http://www.tornadoweb.org/

[18:51:56] <JonathanThompson> Interesting, jmayfield__, I'll be looking into it.

[18:52:07] <jmayfield__> JonathanThompson, i just wrote a little app with it, cappuccino as ui, json based talking to server.. its really easy to put it all together

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[18:52:27] <gtaw> I like boggling people's minds.

[18:52:33] <JonathanThompson> Combine that with the SVG card definitions I have, easy to do a web-based game.

[18:52:44] <JonathanThompson> gtaw: one of my hobbies is blowing minds.

[18:52:58] <JonathanThompson> Because it's the one body part you can generally get away with blowing without legal trouble :P

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[18:53:39] <jmayfield__> JonathanThompson, unless your doing the mind blowing with certain plants/fungi

[18:53:56] <JonathanThompson> Nah, all mine is pure blowing, no substances required.

[18:54:05] <jmayfield__> stinking cops with their stinking hassle

[18:54:25] * JonathanThompson wonders when people will be arrested for possession of a rapier wit

[18:54:29] <jmayfield__> JonathanThompson, ..other than the substances already in the brain being mixed and remixed

[18:54:41] <helf> hi jmayfield__

[18:54:49] <JonathanThompson> Well, I can't stop those things from already being there.

[18:54:49] <jmayfield__> hi helf

[18:54:52] <helf> jmayfield__, ubuntu 9.10 + ssd = omg is boots fast

[18:54:57] <jmayfield__> nice

[18:54:58] <JonathanThompson> Unless, of course, extreme violence is involved.

[18:55:08] <helf> jmayfield__, http://www.flickr.com/photos/helfer/4060222591/in/photostream/

[18:55:11] <jmayfield__> i know 9.10 boots quickly on my no-ssd laptop

[18:55:12] <jmayfield__> heh

[18:55:16] <helf> jmayfield__, the longest part of the boot process is the stupid bios

[18:55:20] <jmayfield__> yeah

[18:55:21] <helf> which i need to finish setting up

[18:55:25] <JonathanThompson> I'm not likely to do that, though, because that gets very messy, and I don't care for such messes :P

[18:58:36] <gtaw> I use Mr. Wolf for all of my messes.

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[19:06:18] <jmayfield> helf, man.. thats some pretty nerdly video

[19:06:29] <jmayfield> heh

[19:06:47] <helf> lol

[19:06:52] <helf> i know

[19:06:58] <helf> but its the fastest ive ever had a pc boot

[19:07:00] <helf> so i was all happy

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[19:07:09] <JonathanThompson> Also badly pixelated :)

[19:07:14] <helf> its a crappy cam

[19:07:17] <helf> i cant find my good one

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[19:08:25] <jmayfield> so you guys are gonna go see christmas carol, right? :-p

[19:08:46] <helf> you worked on it, right?

[19:08:48] * JonathanThompson guesses jmayfield is in the list of credits somehow

[19:08:55] <jmayfield> heh

[19:08:59] <helf> i have to say, i hate that style

[19:09:00] <helf> :P

[19:09:07] <jmayfield> the 3dness of it is really good

[19:09:13] <JonathanThompson> Tell us how you really feel, helf :)

[19:09:14] <helf> but ill probably see it

[19:09:14] <jmayfield> definitely see it in 3d is possibe

[19:09:24] <jmayfield> helf, what style?

[19:09:34] <helf> the way it looks

[19:09:37] <helf> how the people are done and all

[19:09:40] <helf> its like polar express

[19:09:40] <jmayfield> youve seen it?

[19:09:43] <helf> and i didnt like that either

[19:09:46] <jmayfield> no, its not at all

[19:09:48] <helf> no, just all the previews and stuff

[19:10:31] * JonathanThompson wonders if the age of hand-drawn (and appearing) cartoons has passed

[19:10:35] <jmayfield> its really not at all like polar express.. the tech has come a LONG way, and is getting even better

[19:10:42] <helf> i know

[19:10:45] <helf> but i still dont like it :P

[19:10:48] <jmayfield> heh

[19:11:03] <JonathanThompson> I got the impression that Polar Express was a dull movie, perhaps I'm wrong, having not seen it.

[19:11:10] <helf> it was dull

[19:11:10] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps you need to be in the right frame of mind for it.

[19:11:12] <jmayfield> performance capture is really an amazing technology/way to make a film

[19:11:19] <helf> i guess

[19:11:28] <helf> maybe once it looks good

[19:11:40] <helf> didnt they do that in the new beowuf movie?

[19:12:04] <jmayfield> yeah.. which i'll dmit was crap too

[19:12:13] <gtaw> Don't lie.

[19:12:19] <gtaw> You saw it 3 times on opening day.

[19:12:28] <gtaw> ^_^

[19:13:39] <jmayfield> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ImageMovers_Digital

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[19:13:48] <jmayfield> look at our 2012 movie.. woot!

[19:13:56] <JonathanThompson> We'll all be dead first :P

[19:13:57] <helf> jmayfield, yeah. the beowuf flick sucked

[19:14:00] <helf> lol

[19:14:25] <helf> yellow submarine!

[19:14:34] <JonathanThompson> (We all live in)

[19:14:45] <jmayfield> its gonna be f'ing sweet

[19:15:03] <JonathanThompson> Massive death and destruction: what more could you want?

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[19:15:14] <helf> hehe

[19:15:19] <helf> i cantwait to see the 2012 movie itself

[19:15:26] <JonathanThompson> When's that out?

[19:15:34] <helf> 2012

[19:15:40] <helf> no, its out next summer i think

[19:15:42] <JonathanThompson> (The movie)

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[19:16:16] <jmayfield> JonathanThompson, but yeah, i did get into the credits.. kinda exciting, being my first film and all

[19:16:19] * JonathanThompson wonders if all the doomsday cultists will be carrying signs in front of theatres saying "The end is near: it's sooner than 2012!"

[19:16:39] <helf> oh dam

[19:16:43] <helf> nits out in nov 13th!

[19:16:43] <helf> :D

[19:16:45] <helf> yay

[19:16:47] <helf> cant wait t og osee it

[19:16:51] <helf> *to go

[19:16:58] <helf> jmayfield, that spretty cool :)

[19:17:04] <JonathanThompson> Friday the 13th, even!  Even better!

[19:17:09] <helf> :P

[19:17:11] <helf> yep

[19:17:15] <stpere> helf: your spacebar needs adjustment :)

[19:17:15] <jmayfield> helf, my kids thought it was cool for sure

[19:17:29] <JonathanThompson> stpere: his typing needs adjustment :P

[19:17:49] <helf> that i do

[19:17:53] <helf> jmayfield, I can imagine

[19:17:59] <helf> jmayfield, best I have so far is a book credit :P

[19:18:14] <stpere> heh.. I have a credit card, does it count?

[19:18:27] <stpere> my name is on it, and everything

[19:18:30] <JonathanThompson> Nah, no credit for you, stpere, your credit's no good!

[19:18:41] <stpere> awww

[19:18:49] <helf> :P

[19:19:14] <stpere> well, I have credits on a few websites :P

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[19:19:35] <JonathanThompson> Better redeem them before inflation takes them down to being nearly worthless :P

[19:19:47] <stpere> duh

[19:20:02] <stpere> you said you were dense? :)

[19:20:10] <JonathanThompson> As a joke :)

[19:20:18] <JonathanThompson> Definitely denser than air, I'm no airhead :P

[19:21:07] <stpere> :)

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[20:08:23] <lonx101> hello all.

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[20:08:49] <lonx101> anybody have any advice on how to get a keyboard working on a macbook?

[20:09:09] <lonx101> i have built it myself but no dice

[20:09:33] <mmadia> is this a usb keyboard?

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[20:10:17] <lonx101> no

[20:10:31] <lonx101> the built in one. although plugging in a usb keyboard also does not work

[20:11:03] <lonx101> its odd, I can press space bar to bring up the safeboot menu, but then nothing works (ie I cant move up or down, etc)

[20:11:11] <mmadia> ah, i'm not sure about the built in one.

[20:11:29] <lonx101> well, even getting an external one to work would be good.

[20:11:51] <mmadia> on some usb chipsets (ohci?)  some usbkey boards work better when daisy chained onto a usb 2.0 hub.

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[20:12:38] <lonx101> hmm. I have no hub... but that is good advice

[20:13:25] <lonx101> I read a post by someone who said they 'changed the usb mode to polling' to fix their keyboard

[20:13:30] <lonx101> does that make any sense?

[20:14:23] <mmadia> you could search the [haiku] and [haiku-development] archive on freelists or Trac.

[20:14:33] <mmadia> Trac = dev.haiku-os.org

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[20:16:18] <lonx101> thc

[20:16:21] <lonx101> *thx

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[20:27:24] <E-WolfShade> wazzup people?

[20:29:42] <ElTimo> not much, checking out the source for haiku at the moment

[20:29:44] <leszek> gn8

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[20:32:48] <ElTimo> you know, for such a small OS, you'd think haiku wouldn't have much by way of source code

[20:33:15] <ElTimo> not 6 $%*#%!# GB of c++

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[20:33:53] <mmu_man> 6GB ? are you using 512KB blocks on your fs or what ?

[20:34:18] <helf> its 6gb?

[20:34:26] <E-WolfShade> O_O

[20:34:36] <mmu_man> it's usually < 1GB with objects

[20:36:34] <mmu_man>  61M     headers/

[20:36:35] <mmu_man>  1,1G    src/

[20:36:35] <mmu_man>  52M     data/

[20:36:36] <mmu_man>  1,5M    3rdparty/

[20:36:36] <mmu_man>  2,2M    build/

[20:36:37] <mmu_man>  29M     docs/

[20:36:53] <ElTimo> seriously?

[20:36:56] <mmu_man> hmm it's got some fat since last time I checked

[20:37:08] <ElTimo> then why is it taking longer to download than world of effing warcraft?

[20:37:18] <E-WolfShade> lol

[20:37:43] <ElTimo> which is twice the size of normal world of warcraft

[20:37:49] <E-WolfShade> rofl!

[20:38:00] <ElTimo> world of effing warcraft > world of warcraft

[20:38:03] <E-WolfShade> "I don't understand why churches and 'family groups' spend millions of dollars a year on abstinence-only instruction when a World of Warcraft account only costs fifteen dollars a month and has a much better record of ensuring virginity."

[20:38:12] <stpere> ElTimo: WoW is a new measure unit? how does it compare to library of congress? :)

[20:38:17] <ElTimo> rofl

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[20:38:51] <ElTimo> loc is still better

[20:38:57] * helf knows quite a few nongeeks that play WoW

[20:39:19] <stpere> helf: we might call them wannageek

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[20:39:39] <ElTimo> i need to learn how to write a window manager.

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[20:40:38] <ElTimo> specifically, learn it from someplace OTHER than the metacity source code

[20:40:43] <E-WolfShade> Haiku should really be using git, not subversion

[20:40:56] <E-WolfShade> ElTimo: Openbox source maybe?

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[20:41:07] <ElTimo> how well documented is it?

[20:41:29] <E-WolfShade> No clue

[20:41:30] <ElTimo> or isn't it

[20:42:21] <mmu_man> "using" and "git" on the same line... EIMPOSSIBLE

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[20:43:20] <ElTimo> some of metacity's code is documented, but it looks like the locations of said documentation were picked by a random number generator on lsd

[20:43:35] <E-WolfShade> rofl

[20:43:41] <E-WolfShade> mmu_man: ?

[20:43:54] <stpere> I hope #haiku's floor got cleaned lately

[20:44:01] <stpere> with all that rolling on the floor :)

[20:44:20] <thotypous> E-WolfShade: http://git.newos.org/?p=haiku.git;a=summary

[20:44:21] <mmu_man> E-WolfShade been trying to "use" git for hours the other day :p

[20:44:25] <thotypous> E-WolfShade: have fun

[20:44:31] <ElTimo> thank god nobody's l'ed their a o, otherwise it'd be disgusting

[20:44:45] <mmu_man> it's unintuitive, inconsistent, obscure, and dangerous :p

[20:44:56] <stpere> mmu_man: I like it :)

[20:45:06] <E-WolfShade> thotypous: Is the git updated as often as the SVN?

[20:45:11] <stpere> I kid, never used it

[20:45:18] <thotypous> I prefer hg over git, but I think svn is better for haiku

[20:45:25] <E-WolfShade> mmu_man: You're kidding, right?

[20:45:27] <E-WolfShade> hg?

[20:45:32] <stpere> mercurial

[20:45:50] <E-WolfShade> yeah

[20:45:56] <E-WolfShade> wikiied it

[20:46:14] <ElTimo> i love hg

[20:46:16] <E-WolfShade> I hate SVN though, it's soooo slow...

[20:46:25] <thotypous> E-WolfShade: well, it is synced very often, newos is geist's

[20:46:43] <ElTimo> you don't even have to use a cli to get updates to your code. you just use a browser

[20:47:11] <thotypous> E-WolfShade: the last commit in git currently matches the last in svn

[20:47:17] <E-WolfShade> Why would I use a browser when I can just enter a command?

[20:47:32] <stpere> E-WolfShade: the reciprocal is also true

[20:47:33] <ElTimo> well, i mean for the initial checkout

[20:47:42] <stpere> E-WolfShade: why would I enter a command if I have a browser?

[20:48:05] <E-WolfShade> Because I have an older computer, and browsers take a sec to open up on it

[20:48:10] <stpere> sorry, I'm in a bad mood and I realize I'm confrontational

[20:48:15] <E-WolfShade> Even lightweight ones

[20:48:31] <E-WolfShade> Well, Firefox takes a min of course

[20:48:37] <E-WolfShade> Midori about 10 secs

[20:48:38] <mmu_man> E-WolfShade no, had to bear git to submit patches to qemu...

[20:49:04] <E-WolfShade> Hey, how well would Haiku run on this thing?

[20:49:05] <ElTimo> it's more convenient to be able to just download a nice little tarball rather than downloading over NINE THOUSAND!!!! files individually, and with no compression

[20:49:12] <E-WolfShade> CPU[-Single core Intel Pentium 4 (UP) clocked at 1614.254 Mhz-] Kernel[-2.6.28-11-generic i686-] Up[-3:50-] Mem[-235.6/497.6MB-] HDD[-80.0GB(27.0% used)-] Procs[-113-] Client[-X-Chat 2.8.6-] inxi[-1.2.5-]

[20:49:15] <E-WolfShade> Graphics:  Card nVidia NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000] X.Org 1.6.0 Res: 1024x768 at 50 dot 0hz

[20:49:15] <E-WolfShade>            GLX Renderer GeForce4 MX 4000/PCI/SSE2 GLX Version 1.5.8 NVIDIA 96.43.10

[20:49:16] <mmu_man> it has stupid things, like format-patch which doesn't format patches but mails...

[20:49:22] <helf> or lord

[20:49:24] <helf> *oh

[20:49:27] <helf> a 1.8ghz p4?

[20:49:30] <helf> er

[20:49:31] <helf> 1.6ghz?

[20:49:36] <E-WolfShade> 1.61GHz, yes

[20:49:36] <helf> is it a northwood?

[20:49:41] <E-WolfShade> I have no clue xD

[20:49:45] <thotypous> this is a very high end machine

[20:49:50] <E-WolfShade> rofl

[20:49:58] <E-WolfShade> Sony Vaio desktop from 2001 or so

[20:50:03] <ElTimo> rofl

[20:50:07] <thotypous> 2001 was yesterday

[20:50:17] <ElTimo> dell latitude d820 here

[20:50:30] <helf> thats one of the slowest p4s put out

[20:50:38] <E-WolfShade> Got a Dell from this year upstairs with a Core2 Duo 2.5GHz, 4GB RAM

[20:50:51] <E-WolfShade> helf: I know lol

[20:51:08] <E-WolfShade> helf: And this is a "Digital Studio PC" for multimedia editing

[20:51:10] * helf wants an i5 box at some point

[20:51:12] <helf> heh

[20:51:26] <helf> my pc is a p4 @ 4.7ghz with 2gb ddr2 adn a 32gb ssd..

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[20:51:49] <helf> i need a better video card for it. its running ubuntu 9.10 and its just a 64mb pci radeon 7000 :) composition works well on it, tho

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[20:52:03] <E-WolfShade> helf: http://esupport.sony.com/perl/model-documents.pl?mdl=PCVRX650

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[20:52:37] <helf> lol

[20:52:42] <E-WolfShade> got a GeForce4 MX 4000 with 128mb in here atm

[20:52:48] <helf> i bet that thing was faaaaast for a week

[20:52:52] <E-WolfShade> rofl

[20:53:10] <stpere> helf: the week it took to render that frame?

[20:53:15] <helf> heh

[20:53:50] <E-WolfShade> helf:

[20:53:51] <E-WolfShade> http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:category.details?current-catalog-id=12F0696583E04D86B9B79B0FEC01C087&current-category-id=C2790FAB90184EB8A8E910C521C2274B

[20:53:58] <E-WolfShade> I'm hoping to get the $650 one

[20:54:08] <helf> cool

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[20:57:08] <E-WolfShade> helf: Then I'll get $100-150 back from getting a refund on Vista and the crapware it comes with

[21:03:59] <helf> cool

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[21:25:17] <CIA-72> jackburton * r33854 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/kits/app/messaging/ (HandlerLooperMessageTest.cpp Jamfile): Added a test for a weird messaging behaviour

[21:25:46] <CIA-72> colin * r33855 /haiku/trunk/src/libs/compat/freebsd_network/compat/net80211/ (ieee80211_haiku.h ieee80211_ioctl.h):

[21:25:47] <CIA-72> * Replacing the Haiku with the FreeBSD copyright in the ieee80211_haiku.h file

[21:25:47] <CIA-72> as it is basically the ieee80211_freebsd.h file. But it only contains code

[21:25:47] <CIA-72> needed by the haiku port. As I regard to the process of adding only needed code

[21:25:48] <CIA-72> as trivial, I sofor removode the Haiku specific copyright completely. Opinions

[21:25:50] <CIA-72> welcome.

[21:25:52] <CIA-72> * Adding the complete ieee80211 channel structure as it contains alot of useful information which is hard to obtain otherwise (e.g. conversion between frequency and channel number).

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[22:00:16] <euank> Any noticed haiku is mentioned in PC Plus?

[22:02:55] <fhein> did they say anything good?

[22:05:51] <mmu_man> do you have a scan?

[22:06:03] <mmu_man> which country is this published in ?

[22:07:09] <mmu_man> http://pcplus.techradar.com/latestissue/

[22:07:13] <euank> uk

[22:07:43] <euank> no scan, I can probably take a phot

[22:08:38] <euank> o

[22:08:53] <helf> does haiku have radeon 7000 drivers?

[22:09:10] <euank> yes

[22:09:13] <helf> cool

[22:09:23] <helf> does it support AHCI mode on sata?

[22:09:41] <euank> should do

[22:09:49] <helf> ok, thanks

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[22:36:12] <euank> pc plus article "no linux allowed, 10 os's you've never heard of"

[22:36:17] <euank> 1 is react os, 2 is haiku

[22:38:46] <euank> "Haiku's interface is refreshingly minimal", it mentions how fast it is even under a virtual machine (they said "emulator").

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[22:40:33] <euank> "Of all the alternative OSes currently undergoing development, Haiku is the closest to achiving a stable, fully featured 1.0 release, although that day may be a way off"

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[22:58:54] <zizban> 1.0 is probably closer than they think.

[22:59:10] <zizban> I've never used such as a stable alpha before.

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[23:12:33] <CIA-72> aldeck * r33856 /haiku/trunk/src/tools/checkstyle/ (. checkstyle.py utils.py):

[23:12:33] <CIA-72> * Style checker for the Haiku C++ coding guidelines

[23:12:33] <CIA-72> * Added an html report output with highlights and tooltips

[23:12:33] <CIA-72> * Still a few false positives and rules missing. Some regex could be reworked

[23:12:33] <CIA-72> * TODO: ignore some rules when in comments, multifile support

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[23:41:54] <net01s> Hi

[23:51:02] <zizban> hi

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