October 30, 2008 
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October 30, 2008 [00:00:17] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[00:00:52] <MrSunshine> humm, dlopen etc not available in haiku right?[00:00:56] <MrSunshine> i was thinking for posix comp[00:03:32] <CIA-60> korli * r28372 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/OutlineListView.cpp: missing tabs[00:04:43] <mmu_man> MrSunshine there is a libdl somewhere at least[00:05:33] <MrSunshine> well i was thinking more included in haiku not a 2ndary lib[00:06:23] <mmu_man> headers/posix/dlfcn.h:extern void *dlopen(const char *path, int mode);[00:06:48] <mmu_man> seems to be in src/system/libroot/posix/dlfcn.c actually[00:06:52] <mmu_man> so it should now be in libroot[00:07:48] *** cps1966 has joined #haiku[00:09:19] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[00:09:41] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[00:13:39] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[00:15:53] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[00:19:42] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[00:20:23] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[00:20:26] *** Megaf has joined #Haiku[00:25:27] *** chandler is now known as randomluls[00:25:36] *** randomluls is now known as chandler[00:25:37] *** Megaf is now known as MegafEee[00:26:11] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[00:29:24] *** Nies has quit IRC[00:29:31] *** MikeW has left #haiku[00:44:53] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[00:45:20] <CIA-60> anevilyak * r28373 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/ColumnListView.cpp: Remove extra pixel constants that were always added to the total item height when calculating the vertical scrollbar proportions. This fixes the empty space that was always added to the end of the CLV (ticket 2980).[00:50:07] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[00:54:50] *** korli has quit IRC[00:55:05] *** somnambulant has quit IRC[00:56:12] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[01:02:13] *** zizban has joined #haiku[01:05:35] *** Matias has joined #haiku[01:06:18] *** johannes_ has joined #haiku[01:06:27] *** TheNerd has joined #haiku[01:07:00] *** johannes_ has quit IRC[01:07:26] *** thotypous has quit IRC[01:07:38] *** Matias is now known as thotypous[01:13:47] *** mmu_laptop has joined #haiku[01:13:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_laptop[01:14:47] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:15:18] *** mmu_laptop is now known as mmu_man[01:23:26] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[01:34:48] *** wildur has quit IRC[01:37:41] *** Stefan100 has quit IRC[01:38:33] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[01:46:32] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[01:47:47] *** Kokito has quit IRC[01:47:55] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[01:48:51] *** Kokito has quit IRC[01:49:21] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[02:00:18] *** cps1966 has left #haiku[02:00:49] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[02:17:41] *** Duggan has quit IRC[02:17:54] *** umccullough_w has joined #haiku[02:18:45] *** pyCube has quit IRC[02:23:17] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[02:29:28] *** RandomInsano has joined #haiku[02:30:28] * JonathanThompson hates stupid useless meetings[02:31:12][02:31:46] <JonathanThompson> I had two of the same meeting: an early morning (9 a.m.) and the retry for the same meeting at 4 p.m.[02:32:24] <JonathanThompson> A couple of important-to-be-there people didn't show up until halfway through the first one, and the one calling the meeting didn't send us out the stuff we needed to look at before we started.[02:32:26] <zizban> awesome :P[02:32:45] <JonathanThompson> And once I DID get the stuff in an email, it wasn't numbered or lettered or whatever for the various points.[02:33:43] <JonathanThompson> So, the 4 p.m. retry really pissed me off: it was yet another videoconferencing meeting, only, they never contacted us (the arrangement) on our side, and I waited until 4:16 before I left, after sending IM's to my manager and one of my coworkers that were both supposed to be in the meeting on their end.[02:34:33] <JonathanThompson> These meetings were called by the project manager, who is in CA with my manager, and if there's a third in a row that are this crappy, I'll be very selective in the future with his meetings he calls.[02:34:50] <zizban> heh[02:35:11] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[02:35:20] <JonathanThompson> That is, if there's some topic, and no supporting properly labeled document, I'll suggest rescheduling it for some MUCH later date (say, after I figure Yahoo! will do the layoffs) and state "I can't attend this meeting as currently defined"[02:35:31] <JonathanThompson> Then I'll let him puzzle out why not.[02:35:43] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[02:36:03] * JonathanThompson imagines the regular commuting traffic in Sunnyvale will soon be much lower for rush hour[02:37:45] <zizban> heh[02:37:47] <zizban> ya[02:38:29] <JonathanThompson> atm I'm looking where I'm at (near Microsoft) because frankly, everything points to not being able to trust that I'm not part of the 10+%.[02:38:50] <JonathanThompson> They've gone long periods of time on the project I'm on without my position before.[02:39:08] <JonathanThompson> And I'm one of the newest bodies on the full-time payroll.[02:41:37] <stpere> hi[02:42:59] <stpere> JonathanThompson: you recon this channel is logged :) just in case..[02:43:34] *** Kokito has quit IRC[02:43:44] <RandomInsano> It actually is. I can't remember the link to the backlogs ATM[02:43:46] <umccullough_w> oh, this channel is totally logged[02:43:50] <umccullough_w> the link is in the topic[02:44:15] <RandomInsano> Ah yes, there it be :P[02:45:15] <zizban> you are being watched[02:46:27] * mmu_man always keep logs[02:47:37] <umccullough_w> ditto[02:54:59] *** aldeck has quit IRC[03:00:55] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku[03:07:36] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[03:07:45] <ari-free> hi[03:08:21] <RandomInsano> Allo![03:09:00] <RandomInsano> (Or, you know, hello)[03:10:33] *** zizban has left #haiku[03:12:03] *** oco has quit IRC[03:13:47] *** umccullough_w has quit IRC[03:18:09] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[03:18:25] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[03:24:12] *** petterhj has quit IRC[03:38:41] *** DHowett has quit IRC[03:38:45] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[03:46:59] <stpere> RandomInsano: allo :)[03:47:08] <RandomInsano> Heh[03:47:32] <RandomInsano> Man, has anyone ever done co-operative work placement in college/university?[03:48:33] <AlienSoldier> done?[03:48:41] <AlienSoldier> participate you mean[03:48:47] <stpere> I did[03:48:53] <RandomInsano> I suppose if you want to be technical[03:49:02] <stpere> UdeS? :)[03:49:07] <AlienSoldier> i participated in that yes :)[03:49:19] <RandomInsano> University of Manitoba[03:49:47] <RandomInsano> I'm in the process of writing craptonnes of cover letters. I have about 18 done and am finishing up a few more[03:50:53] <RandomInsano> The funny thing is almost all of the jobs are web development positions[03:51:18] <AlienSoldier> send the more possible, and if you end up accepted, go to the other meeting also[03:51:33] <RandomInsano> Spray and pray ftw[03:51:51] <AlienSoldier> you want a programmer job?[03:52:14] <RandomInsano> Well, web programming. Big in the AJAX method nowadays[03:52:28] <RandomInsano> I'll take what I can get really[03:53:28] <AlienSoldier> how much do they ofer these days (in the context of university job)[03:53:32] <RandomInsano> I enjoy programming, so it makes sense as a career. And this co-op stuff doesn't mean I'll stay in web development the rest of my life, it's just for four month terms[03:53:44] <RandomInsano> 14$/h minimum here[03:54:04] <RandomInsano> The co-op coordinator doesn't accept anything lower[03:54:18] <RandomInsano> $24/h max in one job[03:54:24] <AlienSoldier> i did 3, first one was shit 12$, second was 16, third was 20$[03:54:38] <RandomInsano> Goes up by experience?[03:54:51] <AlienSoldier> yes, at least at the uni i was at[03:55:09] <AlienSoldier> but some still got 10 at the third one :)[03:55:17] <AlienSoldier> it was not a law[03:56:07] <RandomInsano> Well, at $14 I can actually pay for each semester's tuition and be able to go out now and again[03:56:45] <AlienSoldier> well, i actually made money when at uni, i don't get how someone can get dept there[03:56:52] <RandomInsano> 35 to 40 hour work weeks, but I'll get weekends off which is far better than my current situation[03:57:40] <RandomInsano> Yeah, I'm able to support my education. I think a lot of people party away their weekend wages.[03:57:50] <AlienSoldier> in my third i was able to do over time, paid 2x, so it was no weekend for 8 month, part of the reason i have no longuer need for a job now[03:57:58] <RandomInsano> I'm not an excessive drinker. Saves the mad cash ;)[03:58:16] <RandomInsano> You're still doing studies?[03:58:48] <AlienSoldier> no, i got retraitee in my 20's :)[03:59:06] <AlienSoldier> but i probably studie lot more than when i was in school :P[03:59:28] <RandomInsano> I'm not familiar with this "retraitee" thing?[04:00:20] <AlienSoldier> another word i might have created out of thin french air[04:01:00] <AlienSoldier> the thing the black guy was to get in leathal weapon[04:01:01] <RandomInsano> Well, retrait would be retired[04:01:14] <AlienSoldier> ha, yes thats it, retired[04:01:25] <RandomInsano> Go French immersion![04:02:10] <AlienSoldier> well, lot of french in manitoba i think[04:02:22] <RandomInsano> I can understand it, but genre and conjugation is still tricky[04:03:04] <RandomInsano> Yeah, we have all those rural communities around Winnipeg and St. Boniface next to downtown where all the French people congregate[04:03:22] <AlienSoldier> they are like amish :P[04:03:41] <RandomInsano> Ah haha. I know a few people who would agree, and a few who would be insulted[04:03:46] <AlienSoldier> english congregate here[04:04:42] <RandomInsano> "Ils ont du l'électricité au Ils-des-chines?!"[04:05:38] <RandomInsano> My have been Beauséjour.[04:05:42] <RandomInsano> *May[04:05:54] <RandomInsano> Well, back to cover letters :P[04:06:44] *** HaikuMonni has quit IRC[04:06:49] *** HaikuMonni has joined #Haiku[04:19:05] *** thotypous has quit IRC[04:30:16] *** supergay has joined #haiku[04:31:13] <supergay> I'll never wear pants / they oppress my testicles / so i freeball it[04:31:42] <RandomInsano> Props to your unconstrained ways[04:31:47] <supergay> lol[04:31:51] <supergay> i just made that up[04:31:54] <supergay> on the fly[04:38:31] *** supergay has quit IRC[04:39:39] <ari-free> that was supergay[04:40:03] <DHowett> o_o[04:40:09] <DHowett> I',m not at all sure what to make of that.[04:40:21] <DHowett> Also, I wish Haiku would build for me :P[04:41:21] <DHowett> "Variable HAIKU_GCC_RAW_VERSION not set." but the variable IS being set :([04:41:23] <ari-free> superfly. Never a dude like this one! He's got a plan to stick it to The Man![04:42:37] <DHowett> and for some reason I can't build the compiler anymore either[04:51:57] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[05:01:00] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[05:01:16] *** DHowett has left #haiku[05:01:32] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[05:12:22] *** HaikuMonni has quit IRC[05:12:30] *** HaikuMonni has joined #Haiku[05:13:08] *** DHowett[haiku] has joined #haiku[05:14:22] <DHowett[haiku]> Oh, wow[05:14:30] <DHowett[haiku]> DiskUsage is very cool.[05:19:36] * JonathanThompson wonders if ari-free realizes the double-entendre he entered into[05:20:08] <JonathanThompson> And of course, one double-entendre begets another[05:20:16] <JonathanThompson> And that one reproduces another...[05:20:21] <DHowett[haiku]> :P[05:20:23] *** DHowett[haiku] has quit IRC[05:20:26] <JonathanThompson> And then, we're all screwed![05:20:49] <ari-free> heh[05:24:40] <ari-free> Grim outlook for Ares, says Beltway insider http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_space_thewritestuff/2008/10/grim-outlook-fo.html[05:29:30] <ari-free> AresAKA "the Shaft" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ares_I[05:30:31] <ari-free> hey I'm just reporting the news[05:51:02] *** redblue has joined #haiku[05:55:02] *** j has joined #haiku[05:56:37] <AlienSoldier> Dane_ what is DiskUsage?[05:56:57] <RandomInsano> It shows a pie of what's using up your hard drive[05:57:11] <RandomInsano> There's a java application that does the same thing somewheres.[05:57:13] <AlienSoldier> ha, it's the new name of Guido then?[05:57:23] <RandomInsano> I dunno[06:00:06] <AlienSoldier> RandomInsano http://www.haikuware.com/components/com_remository_files/file_image_1616/img_1616_01.png[06:00:23] <RandomInsano> Ah[06:00:28] <RandomInsano> Zat is zee one[06:01:04] <pyCube> Tell me about zee rocket pack, or zee girl vill suffer![06:01:31] <RandomInsano> hehehe[06:02:04] <pyCube> cinemaware is burned into my life screen[06:02:36] * AlienSoldier send an agent in pyCubekistan[06:03:18] * pyCube captures AlienSoldier's agent[06:05:19] * AlienSoldier send Reginal Front de Boeuf in a night rescue mission[06:05:21] *** hdanak has quit IRC[06:05:50] <pyCube> ya know, i kinda liked the 3 stooges game they made[06:08:14] <AlienSoldier> most game were good, sinbad and sdi lot less[06:21:37] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[06:27:51] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[06:29:14] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[06:35:34] <ari2-free> rocket ranger![06:35:55] <ari2-free> cinemaware made me look at my c64 in a completely new way[06:36:23] *** adb_ has quit IRC[06:49:29] <pyCube> it certainly made me look at my computer for long periods of time[06:50:34] <ari2-free> amazing what you can do in under 200 gigabytes[06:51:05] <ari2-free> run notepad in vista for example[06:51:30] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[06:52:47] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[06:53:34] <pyCube> this is what i used until my 11th grade year when i got an amiga.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpeedScript[06:55:24] <DHowett> niiice[06:55:26] <DHowett> ;)[06:55:27] <pyCube> i had a history teacher that kept a c64 and printer in his classroom.[06:55:33] *** GWAR has joined #haiku[06:55:35] <pyCube> so i had a place to print stuff[06:55:37] <pyCube> hehe[06:56:03] <GWAR> did you know that haiku is ukiah spelled backwards?[06:56:15] <DHowett> o_o[06:56:19] <GWAR> you do now[06:56:46] <GWAR> (its a town in california)[06:56:46] <RandomInsano> I'm fairly sure I could have figured that out.[06:56:55] <RandomInsano> Oh, then that's more pretient[06:57:00] <GWAR> yup[06:57:03] <DHowett> i officially deem this bowl too small to hold my ramen.[06:57:15] <RandomInsano> Because 'yzarc' is crazy backwards[06:57:46] <GWAR> and now, the techie stuph[06:58:11] <GWAR> anyone familiar with bandwidth throttling?[06:58:33] <RandomInsano> I have a vague knowledge of it[06:58:42] <GWAR> i think my evil isp dislikes utorrent[06:58:49] <RandomInsano> Which ISP?[06:59:09] <GWAR> any time i get good speed goin, my cable modem cold starts[06:59:14] <GWAR> mchsi[06:59:45] <RandomInsano> That's odd. Shaw just throttles the speed so the traffic actually slows down while standard traffic is zippy as anything[06:59:57] <DHowett> hmm..[06:59:59] <GWAR> hmm[07:00:07] <GWAR> maybe a buggy modem?[07:00:09] <DHowett> GWAR: I had a similar problem with my DSL modem.. any transfer though.[07:00:10] <DHowett> Yeah[07:00:10] <RandomInsano> Maybe the amount of ports open is making your modem crash? I know D-Link routers had that issue[07:00:22] <DHowett> If i pushed enough data through it, it would restart[07:00:40] <RandomInsano> That's some manner of terrible[07:00:49] <GWAR> well, i got two others of ifferent makes to try[07:00:55] <DHowett> called my ISP and they replaced it, saying "Yeah.. looks like you're disconnecting, like, every 10 seconds. I'll file a ticket and have a tech come out"[07:01:30] <pyCube> haiku heh, draw pupils lip upward heh, ukiah[07:01:37] <GWAR> pffft, service techs[07:02:02] <GWAR> they look around,[07:02:05] <GWAR> do nothin[07:02:08] <DHowett> Course[07:02:11] <DHowett> Well[07:02:22] <GWAR> they just installers[07:02:23] <pyCube> palindromic haiku[07:02:27] <DHowett> woman came, got out of the truck, handed me a box, said "Yeah, we're trying to get rid of that old model you've got. Too many problems"[07:02:36] <GWAR> heh[07:02:54] <DHowett> (The issue was- It was overheating. I threw a heatsink in there and managed to prolong its connection times ;))[07:03:03] <GWAR> hmmm[07:03:15] * GWAR grabs soldering gun[07:03:50] <GWAR> everyone stand back[07:04:33] <DHowett> hehe[07:04:49] * DHowett takes a step rearward.[07:04:49] <DHowett> :P[07:05:13] <GWAR> i got lots of extra fans and heatsinks[07:05:25] <GWAR> i can modify it[07:05:30] <GWAR> massivly[07:05:54] <GWAR> it will resemble the space station when im done[07:05:55] <DHowett> Unfortunately, this was only a TO-something heatsink. The thing that's larger than a TO-220.. that i thermal-pasted to the top of the hottest chip. With a proper heatsink i probably wouldn't have had to replace it[07:05:57] <DHowett> hehe[07:08:49] <GWAR> ya know, this could also relate to my frequent disconnects while tryin to be leet at online gameing[07:09:43] <GWAR> just when you are about to make the most amazing headshot of all time,,[07:09:49] <GWAR> poof[07:09:49] <DHowett> Aw man.. yes[07:10:49] *** M199 has joined #haiku[07:11:18] <GWAR> hi there[07:12:43] * JonathanThompson poits DHowett[07:13:02] * DHowett is not immediately sure what that word being done to him means.[07:13:26] <GWAR> maybe thats a good thing[07:13:32] * JonathanThompson smurfs DHowett[07:13:52] <DHowett> x.x[07:14:07] <GWAR> at the sound of the BONG, the time will be 420[07:14:13] <GWAR> BONG[07:14:16] <JonathanThompson> BING![07:15:27] * JonathanThompson hopes there aren't others that have employment situations with absolutely stupid meeting situations like his current employer[07:15:51] <JonathanThompson> I should have just stayed in bed/on the couch a bit longer this morning: it would have been infinitely more productive and useful.[07:16:06] *** M_199 has quit IRC[07:16:22] <JonathanThompson> (And more pleasant)[07:16:37] <GWAR> my work season is over till next spring :/[07:16:50] <GWAR> bored already[07:16:50] <JonathanThompson> Is that a good or a bad thing?[07:16:58] <GWAR> bad[07:17:09] <JonathanThompson> Construction worker? Farmer?[07:17:16] <JonathanThompson> Seasonal cat-stretcher?[07:17:22] <GWAR> luckily the house and land is paid off[07:17:44] <GWAR> im an "alchohol delivery technician"[07:17:52] <GWAR> :P[07:17:54] <JonathanThompson> So, do you do something like find something to code during the off season?[07:18:02] <JonathanThompson> huh[07:18:15] <JonathanThompson> I never knew there was such a critter.[07:18:32] <GWAR> i supply all the bar stations at concerts at an outdoor venue[07:18:45] <JonathanThompson> Of course, my personal habits make it such that I can assure you, I'll never be part of the reason you make a living ;)[07:18:53] <GWAR> with booze, beer, ice, water, etc[07:19:22] <GWAR> err,[07:19:32] <GWAR> you dont like music?[07:19:43] <JonathanThompson> I don't drink alcoholic beverages.[07:19:48] <GWAR> ah[07:20:04] <RandomInsano> I also do not.[07:20:15] <JonathanThompson> Though, truth be told, due to hearing sensitivity, I'm not likely to be at many concert venues that sell alcohol like that, either.[07:20:18] <RandomInsano> Music is good though, and I could always buy drinks for others[07:20:54] <GWAR> its a cool job, get paid to go to concerts, lol[07:21:11] <JonathanThompson> Other than live classical music concerts, the only other concerts I've been to are a Weird Al concert, Victor Borge (before he died) and ELO Part 2.[07:21:26] <JonathanThompson> None with even 10K people in the audience, and two of them indoors.[07:21:28] <GWAR> oy vey, wierd al,,[07:21:35] <GWAR> he is,,,[07:21:37] <GWAR> uhm[07:21:46] <GWAR> snooty[07:21:53] <RandomInsano> Heh[07:21:55] <JonathanThompson> Snooty?[07:22:13] <GWAR> holier than thou[07:22:21] <JonathanThompson> And why do you say that?[07:22:23] <GWAR> in his mind, at least[07:22:33] <GWAR> cos he acts that way[07:22:57] <GWAR> i have to deal with the "personalitys" from time to time[07:23:04] * JonathanThompson expects most popular music/rock star musicians are all rather ... snooty, with extremely big egos[07:23:19] <GWAR> not all, youd be surprised[07:23:28] <JonathanThompson> Note "most"[07:23:38] <GWAR> noted[07:24:16] <GWAR> my hilite of the season, Allison Kraus' autograph[07:24:23] <GWAR> i wuv her[07:24:26] <JonathanThompson> I get the distinct impression Weird Al only does as many concerts and releases as he feels a need/desire for doing financially.[07:24:38] <GWAR> exactly[07:24:49] <GWAR> and its same show 3 seasons in a row[07:24:52] <JonathanThompson> Need in terms of fulfilling contracts for records released, and perhaps if he needs to pay bills.[07:24:56] <GWAR> so far[07:25:24] <GWAR> is link posting a bad thing in here?[07:25:49] <JonathanThompson> I don't know how many people he'd get that'd pay for a live concert, but the venue I saw him in had about a capacity of 3500, on the Indiana State University campus.[07:26:08] <GWAR> we can seat 5500[07:26:17] <JonathanThompson> It happens all the time, and as long as it isn't certain types of spammy things, no big deal :)[07:26:25] <GWAR> ok[07:26:37] <JonathanThompson> Well, by today's standards, even 5500 isn't that large of a venue.[07:26:58] <JonathanThompson> Not for musical artists concerts, anyway, that are often outdoors.[07:27:28] <JonathanThompson> Personally, I'm not interested in being present in the larger venues: too noisy and chaotic for my tastes.[07:28:06] <GWAR> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq8Jar8Xidw&feature=related[07:28:21] <GWAR> video from where i work[07:28:41] <GWAR> just a random one[07:28:43] <pyCube> anything larger than sitting in front of my stereo is too big for me[07:28:51] <JonathanThompson> So what do you do in the off season to keep busy?[07:29:07] <GWAR> uhm, "gardening"[07:29:08] <GWAR> lol[07:29:24] <JonathanThompson> Lots of distortion in the recording: it was recorded with the levels all screwed up ;)[07:29:37] <GWAR> probly a phone[07:29:44] <GWAR> theres better ones[07:29:53] <JonathanThompson> Sadly, due to how my hearing works, most concerts that loud wouldn't sound much different for me in person, and cause me pain at the same time.[07:30:05] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[07:30:09] <pyCube> gardening eh? so it must be about harvest time then i suppose...[07:30:14] <GWAR> yup[07:30:18] <JonathanThompson> They'd probably actually be more distorted.[07:30:25] <pyCube> good time of year[07:30:39] <GWAR> le skunk de pew![07:30:41] * JonathanThompson somehow suspects he's not referring to winter wheat[07:30:48] <GWAR> nope[07:31:17] <pyCube> stinktitude[07:32:16] <GWAR> http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1020825go3.jpg[07:32:20] <GWAR> bwahaha[07:32:22] <pyCube> too bad concerts cant be more like farmers markets.. people wouldnt have to resort to all that beer nonsense[07:32:35] <GWAR> lol[07:33:04] <pyCube> quite a cola[07:33:10] <GWAR> i probly move 60 to 80 cases of corona a show[07:33:21] * JonathanThompson reads a weird story headline about South Korea limiting masseurs to being blind[07:33:46] <GWAR> lmao[07:34:30] <JonathanThompson> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081030/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_korea_blind;_ylt=Ap46TJYxOlaIs6G_cUGEONZvaA8F[07:34:37] <JonathanThompson> I can't make this stuff up![07:35:04] <JonathanThompson> Though looking at it, at least they did what they could to ensure the visually-impaired had some way to earn a living.[07:35:20] <GWAR> got a point[07:36:13] <JonathanThompson> A rather creative solution, if not ideal.[07:36:30] <GWAR> well, been nice talkin with you folks, im gonna change out my modem, see if it helps[07:36:40] <GWAR> o/[07:36:44] <JonathanThompson> I should do the same with mine :P[07:36:52] *** GWAR has left #haiku[07:36:54] <JonathanThompson> It gets slow after awhile.[07:58:53] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[08:07:23] *** xxploit has quit IRC[08:14:19] *** xxploit has joined #haiku[08:22:49] *** sprma has joined #haiku[08:33:19] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[08:46:30] *** DHowett has left #haiku[09:14:01] *** HaikuMonni has quit IRC[09:15:06] *** j has quit IRC[09:18:03] *** Monni 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joined #haiku[10:45:02] <erika14212> hi all[10:45:07] *** redblue has quit IRC[10:45:08] *** cherrylap has joined #haiku[10:45:32] <erika14212> question[10:45:34] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[10:45:37] <Teknomancer> morning[10:46:00] <erika14212> the vmware image does not work[10:47:21] <erika14212> has anyone had any problems[10:47:31] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[10:47:35] <Teknomancer> erika14212: in vmware or are you trying in VirtualBox ?[10:47:45] <erika14212> nmware[10:47:56] <erika14212> vmware[10:48:10] <Teknomancer> ah sorry, never tried haiku on it.[10:48:21] <erika14212> haiku-pre-alpha-r28339-vm.zip[10:48:40] <erika14212> is virtual box for linux[10:49:05] *** aldeck has joined #Haiku[10:49:38] <waveshaper> haikus runs on my eee 900 :) first time on hw for me[10:50:49] <erika14212> did yu download raw hd image[10:50:57] <waveshaper> yep[10:52:07] <erika14212> wat emulator yu using[10:52:34] <waveshaper> not using any. running native but from usb key at the moment.[10:53:09] <erika14212> would that boot off a hard drive[10:53:48] <Teknomancer> erika14212: virtualbox works on windows, linux, mac and solaris.[10:53:57] <Teknomancer> and runs Haiku as guest fine[10:53:58] <waveshaper> nop. boots from the usb key. next would be to install it onto a partition. but this atlest shows how it runs on my HW[10:55:44] <erika14212> ok[10:55:53] <erika14212> ill try virtual box[11:04:50] <erika14212> virtual box is confusing[11:06:23] <erika14212> haiku files are corrupt[11:07:38] *** erika14212 has left #haiku[11:08:11] <Teknomancer> erika14212: if haiku files are corrupt really nothing much can be done[11:08:17] <Teknomancer> except redownload them[11:18:03] *** kotrcka has joined #haiku[11:24:33] *** redblue has joined #haiku[11:40:31] *** Stefan100 has joined #haiku[11:41:35] *** kotrcka has left #haiku[11:45:37] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[12:04:15] *** aldeck has quit IRC[12:06:14] *** ari2-free has quit IRC[12:08:33] *** petterhj has joined 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This could cause a read fault in x86's[12:14:50] <CIA-60> print_demangled_call() (as it assumed there must be a ':' when this is true).[12:21:34] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[12:22:22] *** aldeck has joined #Haiku[12:32:09] <CIA-60> axeld * r28376 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/debug/debug_commands.cpp:[12:32:09] <CIA-60> * If DEBUG_DEBUGGER_COMMANDS is 1, invoke_debugger_command() will no longer[12:32:09] <CIA-60> install a fault handler, allowing to debug KDL commands better.[12:34:58] <CIA-60> axeld * r28377 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/debugger/demangle/gcc2.cpp:[12:34:58] <CIA-60> * Now handles function pointers as arguments correctly.[12:34:58] <CIA-60> * Added optional tracing output.[12:56:34] <CIA-60> dlmcpaul * r28378 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/game/SimpleGameSound.cpp: correct spelling error[12:57:35] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[12:57:35] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[12:58:03] <CIA-60> dlmcpaul * r28379 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/game/GameProducer.cpp: match default buffer size to Mixer default[12:59:49] <CIA-60> dlmcpaul * r28380 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/game/FileGameSound.cpp: uint8 Fillbuffer should use sizeof(uint8) for divisor[13:05:05] <Dane_> mmu_man good morning/afternoon :-)[13:07:31] <Teknomancer> hi Dane_[13:08:59] <Dane_> Howdy Teknomancer How's life?[13:09:26] <mmu_man> plop[13:11:01] <Teknomancer> hi mmu_man, goot post yday on linuxformat ;)[13:11:04] <Teknomancer> good[13:11:13] <Teknomancer> Dane_: ok, not too bad.[13:12:09] * Dane_ gives mmu_man a nudge about a certain project :-)[13:12:18] <mmu_man> .. :)[13:12:23] <Dane_> :-)[13:13:04] <mmu_man> brb[13:13:04] <Dane_> Teknomancer What are you doing for fun these days, computerwise?[13:13:23] *** Animal-X has joined #haiku[13:13:36] * Dane_ got an iMac, which is pretty darned fun. :-)[13:13:49] <Teknomancer> no time for anything besides work currently[13:13:53] <Dane_> ah[13:14:02] <Dane_> Teknomancer You're a popular guy with the boss. :-)[13:14:06] <Teknomancer> but I soon plan to get an MB Pro and internet at home, and want to explore some Mac desktop programming[13:14:08] <Teknomancer> never done that before[13:14:13] *** Stefan100 is now known as Stefan100|afk[13:14:29] <Teknomancer> and I liked OS X from what I used of it[13:14:55] <Dane_> It's a pretty quick machine. Runs X-Plane well.[13:14:58] <Teknomancer> nah, the deadlines will kill you[13:14:59] * Dane_ likes to flight sim[13:15:04] <Dane_> hehe[13:15:14] <Teknomancer> X-Plane?[13:15:32] <Teknomancer> running X11 on OS X seems almost as bad as running them on BeOS :)[13:15:48] <Dane_> http://www.x-plane.com/[13:15:50] <Teknomancer> i wonder if ther'es a native OS X version of wireshark[13:18:26] <Teknomancer> x-plane looks cool, but i dont suppose you can fire missiles and do carpet bombs ?[13:18:38] <Teknomancer> thats like taking out 99% of all the fun.[13:18:47] <Dane_> yeesh :-)[13:18:57] * Dane_ likes looking at the scenery and flying the plane....sorry :-)[13:19:17] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[13:19:36] <Teknomancer> yeah like my bro.[13:20:00] <Teknomancer> he likes those sort of simulation games as well, train and flight sims, definitely not much fun for me though[13:20:01] <Teknomancer> :)[13:21:31] <Dane_> You can't help it if youo have a violent streak in you. :-)[13:21:43] <Arafangion> Teknomancer: Worse.[13:22:00] <Arafangion> Teknomancer: Most BeOS machines come with a two or three button mouse, do they? ;)[13:23:11] <Teknomancer> Arafangion: ?[13:23:55] *** leszek_fh has joined #haiku[13:24:06] <Arafangion> Teknomancer: The vast majority of X11 apps assume the presence of the right-mouse button, and the clipboard uses the middle button.[13:24:07] *** _maniac_ has quit IRC[13:24:10] <leszek_fh> hi[13:24:31] <Teknomancer> Arafangion: oh that, hehe[13:24:51] <Dane_> That's one thing I couldn't handle was the "hoof" they supply with a mac. I love having a right mouse button and a scrollwheel.[13:24:51] <Teknomancer> i always use 3 button mouse, well mostly, now i'm using a crappy 2 button microsoft one[13:25:18] <Teknomancer> Dane_: what prevents you from using right mouse and mouse wheel with mac ?[13:25:23] <Arafangion> Teknomancer: The last MS mouse I had had an internal short, which, for some fricking stupid reason, the MS drivers catered for.[13:25:39] <Arafangion> Teknomancer: So, on Linux, the mouse would suddenly stop working and you'd have to physically unplug it and plug it back in.[13:26:05] <Teknomancer> ugh[13:26:05] <Arafangion> Teknomancer: On Windows, the mouse pointer would simply hang for a few seconds, while the MS driver would reset it - so, hangs on windows, normal behaviour, I guess. ;)[13:26:35] <Teknomancer> but suprisingly this microsoft mouse has been far far more long lasting than the equivalent HP one, 2 of them failed in less than 2 months with the mouse wheel axel breaking.[13:26:56] <Teknomancer> although i hate to admit it[13:26:57] <Teknomancer> :)[13:27:01] <Arafangion> Teknomancer: Yours might've been a rebadged one, MS didn't always make their mice.[13:27:23] <Arafangion> Teknomancer: Nah, I think it's fair to say that MS is better at making hardware than they are at software. ;)[13:27:36] <Arafangion> MS keyboards are supposed to be good.[13:27:39] <Teknomancer> because somebody else does the software and they just put their sticker on it[13:27:40] <Arafangion> (I want a daskeyboard)[13:27:42] <Teknomancer> ?[13:27:47] <Dane_> Teknomancer Nothing, except the "mighty mouse" that comes with it requires that you hold down a key to get some of that functionality. But you can plug in a windows-style mouse and get that no problem with the Mac, so that's what I did.[13:27:51] <Arafangion> Teknomancer: Don't overanalyse the comment. :)[13:28:11] <Arafangion> Dane_: Shit![13:29:02] <Teknomancer> Dane_: I got a mouse with a leopard style painting on it to use with OS X .. LOL[13:29:05] <Teknomancer> but not the might mouse[13:29:12] <Teknomancer> logitech[13:29:30] <Teknomancer> funny thing was it was cheaper than a mouse without the leopard paint design[13:29:40] <Dane_> Teknomancer hehe[13:29:50] <Dane_> You can mac-up a PC quite a bit[13:30:05] <Teknomancer> not quite the same though[13:30:08] <Dane_> hehe[13:30:09] <Arafangion> I'm very happy with my Lenovo laptop.[13:30:10] <Dane_> no , hardly[13:30:24] <Dane_> Arafangion congratulations[13:30:27] <Arafangion> With the nipple, no touchpad. (This is a budget model)[13:30:35] <Teknomancer> ah the red one[13:31:06] <Arafangion> Only thing is... This laptop has a software controlled hardware wifi switch, by all appearances, so I can't actually use wifi using Debian.,[13:31:07] <Teknomancer> i left my Sony vaio in india, it had very comfortable keys and had a super display[13:31:20] <Teknomancer> one of the best in terms of viewing angles i've had in a laptop[13:31:42] <Teknomancer> i heard the newer MacBook Pros have the shittiest of glossy displays, .. DAMN.[13:31:50] <Teknomancer> i hope i can get an older one[13:31:54] <Arafangion> Teknomancer: Supposedly the glossy displays look nicer in the store.[13:32:02] <Teknomancer> too much reflection = crap.[13:32:12] <Teknomancer> yeah they always look better on the stores :)[13:32:13] <Arafangion> Apple only cares about sales, they don't give a crap about aftersales.[13:33:50] <Arafangion> G'night, Haiku.[13:33:51] <Teknomancer> i intend to buy a MBPro, replace it with some uber-huge disk, partition enough space for XP to play games, and use OS X for the rest of my desktop/media/chat/daily use needs.[13:33:55] <Teknomancer> nite Arafangion[13:34:29] <Arafangion> Teknomancer: One day when I'm rich and famous, I'll buy a damn powerful mac system, and install Debian onto it. ;)[13:34:36] <Arafangion> They're up to 8 cores now.[13:34:44] <Teknomancer> haha[13:35:03] <Arafangion> It's impressive how muc hfaster ubuntu is compared to mac os.[13:35:06] <Teknomancer> i'm not rich, i just spend on computers than what other people do normally[13:35:30] <Teknomancer> eg sleep on floor for a while to save money than buying a bed.[13:35:32] <Arafangion> Likewise, but heck, even computers 5 years old are MUCH more powerful than I need.[13:35:38] <Teknomancer> not me[13:35:46] <Arafangion> Just needs good keyboard, decent mouse, and good screen.[13:35:51] <Teknomancer> i can never get fast enough computers :)[13:35:56] *** vmlemon_ has joined #haiku[13:35:57] <Arafangion> Ahh, a gamer, I see.[13:35:59] <Dane_> hehe[13:36:01] <Teknomancer> i need to compile my stuff instantly[13:36:06] <Teknomancer> and games ofcourse[13:36:08] <Arafangion> distcc.[13:36:22] <Arafangion> compiling stuff is easy to distribute.[13:36:25] <Teknomancer> parallel builds on 4 cores is sweet[13:36:31] <Teknomancer> on 8 would be awesome[13:36:41] <Arafangion> How about multiple physical machines.[13:36:48] <Teknomancer> too much space[13:36:57] <Teknomancer> dont have much space for several machiens[13:36:59] <Arafangion> Just a box.[13:37:04] <Arafangion> Stack them.[13:37:30] <Teknomancer> yeah but you lose portability ;) i want to compile while i wait for my train[13:37:49] <Teknomancer> that's like waiting 2 times[13:37:51] <Teknomancer> but still[13:37:54] <Arafangion> Haha. :)[13:38:12] <Arafangion> The C++ compiler makes for a poor crutch. :)[13:38:46] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[13:38:47] <Arafangion> Ok, definetly bed time.[13:38:49] *** Arafangion has quit IRC[13:46:56] *** andguent has joined #haiku[13:59:31] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC[14:00:53] *** Serophos has joined #haiku[14:02:21] *** Dane_ has quit IRC[14:03:41] *** TheNerd_ has joined #haiku[14:06:08] *** sprma has joined #haiku[14:07:20] *** pyCube_ has joined #haiku[14:07:21] *** pyCube has quit IRC[14:07:30] *** leszek_fh has quit IRC[14:11:59] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[14:14:45] *** Stefan100|afk is now known as Stefan100[14:20:03] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[14:21:41] *** Serophos has joined #haiku[14:22:30] *** thotypous is now known as geek[14:23:00] *** geek is now known as Guest93731[14:23:22] *** Guest93731 is now known as thotypous[14:24:48] *** Serophos has quit IRC[14:30:40] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[14:34:26] <mmu_man> http://linuxfr.org/my/ ugh, they rethemed the site for the ubuntu release...[14:34:45] <mmu_man> that's cheating, I'll make sure they get an Haiku theme for R1/alpha :D[14:38:07] *** oco has joined #haiku[14:38:25] <Teknomancer> god, that looks awful[14:38:54] <DeadYak> can't say I'm too impressed by that color scheme either...[14:39:01] <mmu_man> well, on par with ubuntu :)[14:43:02] <helf> btw, nice post earlier, mmu_man :P[14:43:05] <helf> on that linux site[14:43:33] <mmu_man> funny I didn't know about Yggdrasil[14:43:40] <helf> oh god, that color scheme is terrible[14:43:43] <mmu_man> actually I knew the name, but never tried it[14:43:56] <helf> and i didn't know BeOS was tickless[14:44:20] *** Monni has joined #Haiku[14:44:34] <mmu_man> that was the reason it didn't wokr on my laptop... crappy chipset didn't support the timer mode[14:44:43] <mmu_man> wel, incorrectly[14:44:49] <helf> oh[14:44:54] <DeadYak> mmu_man: the IXP one?[14:44:55] <helf> man, im slightly ticked off[14:44:55] <mmu_man> ATI IXP...[14:44:58] <helf> I can't vote this year[14:45:03] <DeadYak> why?[14:45:17] <helf> I apparently either forgot to register when I did my selective service or my application got lost in the mail[14:45:18] <mmu_man> DeadYak not sure exactly, it's that irq issue[14:45:23] <mmu_man> I suppose they never tested it[14:45:23] <helf> I SWEAR I sent it in..[14:45:30] <DeadYak> mmu_man: fun[14:45:55] <mmu_man> ATI actually mailed to ask why we were using the PIT in that precise mode[14:46:01] <mmu_man> "just because we can" :D[14:46:35] <helf> PIT?[14:46:43] <DeadYak> Programmable Interrupt Timer[14:46:47] <helf> oh[14:47:04] <helf> mmu_man, do people usually not use it that way? :)[14:47:12] <mmu_man> no[14:47:19] <mmu_man> everyone else just use it in periodic mode[14:47:31] <helf> oh[14:47:39] <mmu_man> linux switched to tickless; but they used the APIC timers right away[14:49:15] <thotypous> plop![14:55:25] <mmu_man> OMG[14:55:33] *** sprma has quit IRC[14:55:37] <mmu_man> one more ugliness from linux![14:55:38] <mmu_man> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Kernel_Module_Support[14:55:57] <DeadYak> haha[14:55:58] <mmu_man> instead of fixing their stupid ridiculous lack of proper clean and stable driver API[14:56:04] <mmu_man> they WORK AROUND IT[14:57:21] <mmu_man> oh my[14:57:25] <JonathanThompson> What do you expect out of an OS that's a perpetual hackfest?[14:58:39] <HeTo> well considering the opinions of Linus Torvalds and other people in charge of Linux, you'd need to fork it to make a stable driver API for it[14:59:02] <cnuke> linux isnt designed, it just grows...[14:59:09] <JonathanThompson> And you can guess the long-term implications of branching out, HeTo .[14:59:11] <HeTo> and then you might just as well go with Solaris or something that already has that[14:59:25] *** cherrylap has quit IRC[14:59:46] <JonathanThompson> Once you go outside of what they expect/want you to do, you're always going to be stuck patching from anything that's done in the main, which will perpetually still change.[15:00:27] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[15:00:42] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[15:00:49] <JonathanThompson> So unless you can come up with a bridge API, everything you did that depends on the stable thing you did will always have to be modified to work with it, with the unmodified unstable standard tree root to modify from.[15:00:52] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[15:01:35] *** Monni_ has joined #Haiku[15:02:00] <Monni_> klus[15:02:04] <Begasus> 'lo peeps[15:02:06] <Begasus> goede middag Monni ;)[15:02:19] <Teknomancer> does Haiku at any place make use of HPET ? would be cool if it did .. lol.[15:03:16] <thotypous> http://linux.dell.com/projects.shtml#dkms[15:03:24] <thotypous> Linus will not like it surely :P[15:03:49] <helf> mmu_man, they refuse t ostabilize it[15:03:49] <thotypous> I think all the closed source drivers will use it, then it will be difficult to Linus to cause him headaches[15:03:57] <thotypous> s/him/them/[15:03:58] <Teknomancer> vbox uses dkms already ;) its easier to explain to users than how to recompile[15:03:59] <mmu_man> yes I know[15:04:13] <mmu_man> for stupid reasons that are now gone with DKMS[15:04:23] <mmu_man> it will still allow binary blobs[15:04:37] <mmu_man> and still piss off other FOSS driver writers[15:04:37] <DeadYak> Teknomancer: HPET is not yet entirely complete, there's some more ACPI and IO-APIC work that needs to be done before it can be used properly[15:04:54] <HeTo> Teknomancer: if I understood correctly, you still need to recompile things after a kernel update[15:05:14] <Teknomancer> DeadYak: right[15:05:30] <Teknomancer> HeTo: yes but not mnually; dkms would recompile the driver on demand (iirc)[15:05:32] *** witukind_ has quit IRC[15:06:07] *** Monni has quit IRC[15:06:12] *** Monni_ is now known as Monni[15:06:50] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[15:08:11] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[15:08:37] <Monni> Begasus: I invented new hobby... hitting reconnect on ATM router until it gets speed over advertised maximum ;)[15:09:05] <Begasus> lol[15:09:37] <Monni> Begasus: Managed to get 2533 kbps on 1 Mbit/s line...[15:09:53] <helf> ...[15:10:23] * JonathanThompson compresses Monni[15:11:15] <mmu_man> Teknomancer well you still need to maintain the glue code[15:12:08] <Teknomancer> mmu_man: yes right[15:12:14] <Monni> JonathanThompson: I bet that gets better with compression... even with random binary data I've got 3% increase[15:13:56] <mmu_man> tried I2BP ? :D[15:29:36] *** hdanak has quit IRC[15:34:27] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[15:34:45] *** petterhj- has quit IRC[15:39:32] *** TheNerd_ is now known as TheNerd[15:40:53] <miqlas> Ouch, i need to go to make an Hepatitis B, C and AIDS test... :([15:41:11] <miqlas> Maybe i have Hepatitis infection....[15:42:29] <TheNerd> miqlas, hrmm ok[15:44:06] <miqlas> My girlfriend will be medic, and maybe she get the infection from infected deads...[15:44:13] <miqlas> And maybe me too.[15:46:56] <MindChild> Well, maybe she should wear gloves then[15:47:03] <MindChild> and maybe you too[15:47:46] <mmu_man> ouch[15:48:37] <Begasus> jikes[15:48:46] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[15:52:00] *** johndrinkwater has quit IRC[15:52:37] *** petterhj has quit IRC[16:02:49] <miqlas> Is somebody have new im_kit build?[16:03:00] *** UndeadYak has joined #haiku[16:03:02] *** Begasus has quit IRC[16:04:33] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[16:05:04] <Monni> bengaroo ;)[16:06:28] <Teknomancer> what's that? BeOS kangaroo software?[16:06:51] <JonathanThompson> It bounces you offline :P[16:06:59] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[16:07:00] *** UndeadYak is now known as DeadYak[16:07:12] <Teknomancer> haha[16:08:47] *** miqlas has quit IRC[16:09:26] *** paul0 has quit IRC[16:09:27] <Monni> it makes as little sense as buying helmets just so people can hit their heads freely...[16:11:26] <JonathanThompson> You don't need a helmet to hit your head freely: why not go without one and just go bang your head? Saves on the cost of the helmet ;)[16:12:57] <Monni> well.. not just cost of one helmet per person, but as it is required to get a new helmet after big hit, it requires several helmets per single person ;)[16:13:15] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[16:14:03] <CIA-60> axeld * r28381 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/translators/raw/ (RAW.cpp RAW.h ReadHelper.h):[16:14:03] <CIA-60> * The identify algorithm will no longer accept compressions it doesn't know[16:14:03] <CIA-60> anything about (fix for ticket #2628).[16:14:03] <CIA-60> * Fixed TReadHelper::ReadShorts() which only read half of the data.[16:14:03] <CIA-60> * Disabled the stuff for the old Canon format for now (didn't work yet anyway).[16:14:05] <CIA-60> * Tried to add RAW unpacked mode, but it doesn't seem to work yet (tried with[16:14:07] <CIA-60> an Olympus RAW image) (and is therefore disabled, too).[16:15:38] *** HaikuwareDev has joined #Haiku[16:15:48] *** HaikuwareDev is now known as sijmen[16:16:09] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[16:16:57] <sijmen> okay, I just got Senryu up and running in VMware. what is the first thing I should know about using Haiku? are there certain things I should be aware of?[16:17:16] *** andguent has quit IRC[16:17:25] <sijmen> I found the Be Book and I'd like to do some programming, but I'm not sure where to start[16:18:16] *** andguent has joined #haiku[16:19:22] <Monni> page 1? ;)[16:19:27] <mmu_man> lol[16:19:37] <sijmen> haha well yes the programming documentation is clear[16:19:47] <mmu_man> http://www.haiku-os.org/documents[16:19:52] <sijmen> but is there an IDE? a compiler even?[16:19:57] <mmu_man> sure[16:19:59] <mmu_man> Pe[16:20:00] <mmu_man> gcc[16:20:09] <mmu_man> vi :D[16:20:17] <Monni> StyledEdit ;)[16:20:24] <mmu_man> XEmacs \o/[16:20:33] <mmu_man> ugh, no I still have to rebuild it[16:20:45] <Monni> lol[16:21:39] <sijmen> what's the role of the shell in Haiku?[16:21:57] <Monni> minimal[16:22:28] <sijmen> so it's not like Linux where pretty much everything is a shell around.. the shell?[16:22:37] <sijmen> gcc[16:22:40] <sijmen> oops sorry[16:22:43] <Monni> everything revolves around Tracker ;)[16:22:53] <sijmen> that's the thing in the top right?[16:23:04] <Monni> that's Deskbar ;)[16:23:18] <sijmen> oh, then Tracker is?[16:23:23] <HeTo> the file manager[16:23:32] <sijmen> ah okay[16:23:44] <HeTo> and also in charge of the desktop icons[16:23:47] <sijmen> does it also manage the des-[16:23:49] <sijmen> haha you beat me[16:23:57] <chandler> mmu_man: don't forget Eddie![16:23:59] <sijmen> so it's a bit like FInder[16:24:11] * chandler <3 Eddie[16:24:26] * Monni likes nano[16:24:35] <Teknomancer> nano rocks[16:24:50] <mmu_man> sijmen BeOS has some Mac roots, yeah :p[16:24:56] <mmu_man> but it's better than Finder[16:25:09] <chandler> it's better than the current awful finder[16:25:12] <mmu_man> (did Apple finally made this new wizzbang finder ?)[16:25:13] <Monni> when the heretics switched from pico to nano, I just symlinked both ;)[16:25:17] <chandler> not sure it's better than the OS 9 finder[16:25:50] <sijmen> okay first I used Control-everything, then it was Command-everything, and now I need to learn to alt-everything, heh[16:25:54] *** markos_ has quit IRC[16:26:04] <HeTo> sijmen: you can change it to ctrl if you wish[16:26:23] <HeTo> the setting is in the Menu preferences app[16:26:41] <HeTo> but then you'll have to use alt+c in terminal for ^C etc.[16:26:51] <sijmen> yes I think I'll keep it like this[16:27:10] <sijmen> I found Niue, first impressions are good but are there things I should know?[16:27:53] *** oco has quit IRC[16:27:55] <Monni> never trust first impressions ;)[16:28:46] <mmu_man> sijmen actually Alt is Command on PC keyboards...[16:29:05] <sijmen> I'm not using a PC keyboard though ;)[16:29:09] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[16:29:12] <mmu_man> headers usually use B_COMMAND_KEY[16:29:33] <sijmen> it's hella sluggish though here in VMware[16:38:27] <sijmen> woot Pe has a group list[16:38:44] <MindChild> wssssssssup[16:41:35] <Teknomancer> Oh great Intrepid Ibex gives me a "you have just inserted a picture CD. choose waht application to launch" when I plugged in my USB flash disk. Cool.[16:41:37] *** svensko_laptop has joined #haiku[16:42:02] <svensko_laptop> is this unix based at all?[16:42:37] *** sprma has joined #haiku[16:43:22] <Monni> Teknomancer: Better than my phone... only option was "Eject" and even that didn't work ;)[16:43:35] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[16:43:45] <Teknomancer> hah, wonder how they managed to confuse a CD with a USB device.[16:43:58] <Monni> Teknomancer: Same filesystem ;)[16:44:18] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[16:44:31] <Teknomancer> err no[16:44:39] <sijmen> svensko_laptop not afaik[16:44:49] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[16:44:51] <Monni> some flash drives use CDFS internally[16:45:07] <svensko_laptop> are there plans to make clones of WM for haiku? are you stuck using the default DE?[16:45:19] <Teknomancer> possibly, but i was pretty certain this one wasn't[16:46:08] <Monni> my father's modem uses CDFS ;)[16:47:26] <svensko_laptop> any ETA on the release date?[16:47:50] <Monni> 5038[16:48:27] <mmu_man> ISO you mean ?[16:48:34] <mmu_man> I don't know of any CDFS[16:48:36] <svensko_laptop> i'll have to ask my great great great great ... great grandchildren for a review then[16:48:40] <mmu_man> ISO9660, UDF yes[16:48:41] <Teknomancer> mmu_man: that's what I presumed[16:48:45] <Teknomancer> 9660[16:48:46] <mmu_man> CDDA eventually :)[16:50:34] <Monni> even Wikipedia knows what CDFS is ;)[16:51:12] <miqlas> In Magnify i see my zoomed mouse cursor...[16:51:22] <DeadYak> miqlas: known bug[16:51:28] <mmu_man> miqlas that's because of VESA[16:51:31] <miqlas> In Magnify i see my zoomed mouse cursor...r28350[16:51:48] <miqlas> then i use now vesa?[16:51:49] <DeadYak> mmu_man: no that's because of stephan's double buffering changes, happens in accelerated mode too and there's a ticket open for it[16:51:49] <mmu_man> Monni it disambiguates it as ISO9660[16:51:56] <mmu_man> ah[16:51:58] <miqlas> I have nvidia card...[16:52:18] <Monni> mmu_man: ISO9660 is only part of data CDFS can contain... CDFS can contain UDF, BFS, FAT etc...[16:52:20] <DeadYak> miqlas, mmu_man: http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/2997[16:53:41] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[16:54:02] <mmu_man> so, I need a volunteer to make a CSS for linuxfr.org for R1/alpha[16:54:52] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[16:55:26] <DeadYak> mmu_man: 51, 102, 152 is your friend :)[16:55:33] <mmu_man> yeah :)[16:55:38] *** sprma_ has joined #haiku[16:55:41] <mmu_man> and yellow tabs[16:55:43] <DeadYak> also, why would we have a haiku theme on a linux site? :)[16:56:10] <Monni> just like there was BeOS theme for Mac OS ;)[16:56:26] <DeadYak> yes, but why would a linux website be reporting on a Haiku release? :)[16:56:37] <Monni> brainwash ;)[16:57:51] <mmu_man> DeadYak it's about FOSS[16:58:00] <mmu_man> they also tell about BSD so why not Haiku[16:58:38] <DeadYak> wasn't aware of that[16:59:08] <sijmen> Pe keeps crashing. I don't like crashing software[16:59:12] <mmu_man> actually had some haiku news already[16:59:20] <mmu_man> sijmen hmm where ?[16:59:34] <sijmen> often when I'm working with a group, or saving a file[16:59:37] <mmu_man> the svn version has some bugfixes, not sure the package has been updated[16:59:46] *** thotypous has quit IRC[16:59:47] <mmu_man> I hardly use the group window[16:59:57] <mmu_man> but indeed there was a fix on group window code recently[17:00:10] <mmu_man> you might want to try and svn co && jam yourself :)[17:00:22] <sijmen> then how do people manage projects? do you have a file manager open next to it?[17:00:22] <mmu_man> would make you used to it also :)[17:00:31] <Teknomancer> OSN: "Windows 7: Why Windows 7 Will Suck Less Than Vista" . Yeah right. like they can come up with something worse.[17:00:42] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[17:00:43] <sijmen> mmu_man not a bad idea[17:00:46] *** Barrett666_ has joined #haiku[17:00:52] <mmu_man> some BeOS software used binary .proj files for BeIDE but it's closed and bad and not scalable[17:00:58] <mmu_man> most use makefiles[17:01:01] <mmu_man> or jamfiles now[17:01:11] <mmu_man> Pe has a nice thing called Worksheet[17:01:32] <sijmen> I was talking more about when you are working on a project and want to keep a list of files open[17:01:37] <mmu_man> make a text file with "make" or whatever command, save it ( as Worksheet for ex)[17:02:00] <mmu_man> then Window menu, Working Directory[17:02:07] <mmu_man> select the folder where you'd run it[17:02:11] <mmu_man> then Alt-Enter[17:02:24] <mmu_man> it'll run it and sort gcc errors in a clickable list[17:02:39] *** sprma has quit IRC[17:02:46] <mmu_man> well Tracker works fine[17:02:56] <mmu_man> I use bash most of the tiem anyway[17:03:09] <mmu_man> with my own dev scripts that maintain separate per-project history[17:03:49] <mmu_man> http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/3rdparty/mmu_man/scripts/dev-perso[17:04:33] <mmu_man> besides, usually projects are in few folders[17:04:45] <sijmen> so if you use Tracker for your files[17:04:54] <mmu_man> I usually leave the folders for the project open in a specific workspace[17:05:01] <mmu_man> so I can work in parallel[17:05:02] <sijmen> then how do you make sure all source files are opened with Pe?[17:05:17] <mmu_man> File Types preferences[17:05:26] <DeadYak> for i in * ; do open $i ; done ? :)[17:05:29] <mmu_man> you can assign the default app for the text/x-source-code type[17:05:39] <mmu_man> DeadYak open * :P[17:05:44] <DeadYak> or that :)[17:05:52] <mmu_man> actually...[17:05:52] <sijmen> ah I see, cool[17:05:56] *** sprma_ has quit IRC[17:05:57] <DeadYak> mmu_man: unless you have subdirs :)[17:06:10] <mmu_man> open application/x-vnd.beunited.pe *[17:06:29] <sijmen> what, apps have mime types?[17:06:34] <DeadYak> yes.[17:06:35] *** redblue has quit IRC[17:06:45] <DeadYak> referred to as an application signature[17:07:03] <DeadYak> those are also indexed by BFS, so the app can be located even if you move it around on the filesystem[17:07:13] <sijmen> oh, that's cool[17:07:29] <mmu_man> BeOS used mimetypes in many places[17:07:37] <DeadYak> try query -a BEOS:APP_SIG=* from Terminal sometime[17:07:48] <sijmen> oh and is there something like Spotlight for quick app launching or directory finding?[17:07:54] <mmu_man> even the scripting mechanism uses suite/*[17:08:00] <mmu_man> hey Tracker getsuites[17:08:29] <sijmen> DeadYak I get mothing, it just returns[17:08:34] <mmu_man> sijmen better[17:08:39] <DeadYak> hm..do I have that attr name wrong?[17:08:40] <mmu_man> we have queries[17:08:57] <mmu_man> DeadYak shell escape *[17:09:00] <sijmen> that query command?[17:09:01] <DeadYak> oops[17:09:06] *** svensko_laptop has quit IRC[17:09:32] <DeadYak> sijmen: that query command is just an interface to BFS indexes, our filesystem is capable of indexing arbitrary attributes and having them queried against[17:09:34] <mmu_man> sijmen Spotlight actually "stole" some things BeOS did 10 years ago[17:09:38] <DeadYak> sijmen: Tracker's Find uses the same mechanism[17:09:49] <sijmen> mmu_man I read that once yes[17:10:03] <DeadYak> mmu_man: well yeah, DBG ended up at Apple :P[17:10:06] <sijmen> okay but my specific use case is that I want to hit a shortcut, type a name, and go[17:10:09] <mmu_man> if you dig spotlight formulas... it's just query ones with a twist[17:10:18] <Teknomancer> DBG?[17:10:28] <mmu_man> Dominic Giampaolo[17:10:29] <DeadYak> Teknomancer: Dominic, the guy who wrote BFS[17:10:34] <Teknomancer> ah him, ok[17:10:40] <DeadYak> and parts of XFS for that matter[17:10:53] <Teknomancer> i like his BeFS book,[17:10:54] <mmu_man> sijmen Alt-F brings the file panel[17:11:15] <mmu_man> doesn't actually do what spotlight does though (search all indices at once)[17:11:26] <mmu_man> that'd be a 3rd party opportunity :)[17:11:28] <mmu_man> *hint*[17:11:47] <sijmen> haha yes[17:11:55] <DeadYak> if you're looking for a clone of Spotlight/Quicksilver, I'm not sure one exists right now, but it'd be relatively trivial to write one[17:12:05] <sijmen> I suppose[17:12:16] <mmu_man> actually there are some apps building on queries that are close to that[17:12:26] <DeadYak> though I thought I saw something on bebits recently that did that...[17:12:27] * DeadYak looks[17:12:29] <sijmen> but how do you people run this? in virtual machines? I understood that's recommended but it's really slow here[17:12:49] <mmu_man> sijmen devs install on their own machine now[17:12:52] <DeadYak> sijmen: I have it running on an Athlon64 at home[17:12:53] <DeadYak> no VM[17:12:57] <mmu_man> the install process isn't streamlined yet[17:13:11] <Teknomancer> it is slow on VMs yes but VMs offer a safer testbox[17:13:14] <mmu_man> but it's possible to just dd the image to a usb key and boot from it now[17:13:16] <Teknomancer> you can run it on real hardware[17:13:33] <sijmen> cool[17:13:48] <Teknomancer> sijmen: just remember this is still pre alpha ;)[17:13:51] <MindChild> TONKA[17:13:54] <sijmen> I happen to only have Macs left, an Intel iMac and a PowerBook. are any of those supported?[17:14:02] <sijmen> Teknomancer, I know, that's the charm[17:14:30] <sijmen> well not just that of course[17:14:36] <mmu_man> sijmen not sure[17:14:47] <mmu_man> we currently need a BIOS[17:14:59] <mmu_man> so maybe with bootcamp or some other hack...[17:15:01] <DeadYak> you'd need boot camp for sure, not sure about driver support offhand[17:15:08] <sijmen> yeah already got Boot Camp[17:15:16] <mmu_man> someone has a spare Mac to let me add EFI support ? :D[17:15:40] <DeadYak> mmu_man: unfortunately no, but if I had a way I'd get you my BeBox so you could add support for that :)[17:15:57] <Begasus> re[17:16:03] <mmu_man> :P[17:22:56] *** Euver has joined #haiku[17:24:30] *** johndrinkwater has joined #haiku[17:26:07] <Monni> Begasus: Found two bugs in latest MUSCLE already ;)[17:26:58] <Begasus> nice going ;)[17:27:35] *** Barrett666_ has quit IRC[17:27:36] <Monni> Begasus: first one was so serious that it didn't even compile on my box ;)[17:28:26] <CIA-60> axeld * r28382 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/debug/ (3 files):[17:28:26] <CIA-60> * Removed the DEBUG_DEBUGGER_COMMANDS define again, and followed Ingo's[17:28:26] <CIA-60> suggestion by adding a "faults" command that now sets the[17:28:26] <CIA-60> gInvokeCommandDirectly variable as wished.[17:28:29] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[17:28:36] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[17:28:58] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[17:30:27] <Monni> Begasus: second bug was seriously funny... variable used before initializing it, but there was two NULL checks to make sure app doesn't crash...[17:30:33] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[17:30:34] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[17:31:04] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[17:31:05] <Begasus> tsss who writes the code? ;)[17:31:21] <Monni> Begasus: I presume either VitViper or Jeremy ;)[17:31:43] <Begasus> VitViper still in the project?[17:31:51] <Begasus> mann haven't heard his name in ages ;)[17:32:01] <Monni> Begasus: Haven't heard from him since he abandoned Ozone...[17:32:13] <Teknomancer> VitViper[17:32:13] <Teknomancer> wow[17:32:16] <Teknomancer> i remember.[17:32:17] <Teknomancer> haha[17:32:35] <Begasus> ;)[17:32:59] <Ingenu> memories[17:33:04] <Teknomancer> oh yeah[17:33:13] <Monni> He forgot to make copies of Ozone source codes and lost them... so he asked from me if he could recover parts still common between Unizone and Ozone...[17:33:39] <Ingenu> sad[17:34:01] *** erika14212 has joined #haiku[17:34:28] <erika14212> hi all[17:34:48] <Monni> he started doing multi-server version using wxWindows but didn't finish the project...[17:35:31] <Teknomancer> ah[17:35:32] <erika14212> i have problem with hdd image files for haiku[17:36:24] <erika14212> corrupt[17:36:35] <erika14212> has anyone else had that[17:36:47] <DeadYak> which?[17:36:47] <Monni> yup[17:37:22] <erika14212> the last two night builds[17:38:59] <DeadYak> as in the archive is corrupt or the image won't boot in a VM or what?[17:39:12] <erika14212> yep[17:39:17] <DeadYak> ...yep to which?[17:39:23] <Teknomancer> lol[17:39:30] <DeadYak> you can't decompress it or you can't boot it?[17:39:30] <erika14212> corrupt wont boot[17:39:38] <Teknomancer> md5sum?[17:39:51] <DeadYak> vmware or raw?[17:39:59] <erika14212> im using windows[17:40:12] <erika14212> i the zip thing in window[17:40:16] <erika14212> \xp[17:40:50] <Teknomancer> http://www.pc-tools.net/win32/md5sums/[17:40:58] <erika14212> i cud go an down win zip[17:42:09] <erika14212> both[17:42:29] <erika14212> raw an vmware[17:42:39] <DeadYak> hm..don't have vmware to try with here right now[17:43:15] <erika14212> virtual box is awfully confusing[17:43:39] <Ingenu> I?[17:43:47] <Ingenu> I mean how so ?[17:43:55] *** Jixt has joined #haiku[17:44:01] <erika14212> hard to use[17:44:11] <erika14212> not user friendly[17:44:23] <Ingenu> I have had no issue with it[17:44:29] <Teknomancer> it's the easiest vm solution you can get[17:44:29] <Ingenu> found everything I wanted quickly[17:44:32] <Teknomancer> for the desktop[17:44:56] <Teknomancer> Jixt!!![17:44:57] <Teknomancer> :)[17:45:22] <erika14212> maybe in year they have iso file[17:45:34] <Begasus> Jixt, ![17:46:06] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[17:46:43] <Jixt> Hi![17:47:33] *** vmlemon_ has joined #haiku[17:48:02] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[17:48:17] <Monni> Haiku can never be iso file[17:48:25] <DeadYak> guess again[17:48:34] <Monni> never ;)[17:48:41] <DeadYak> guess again[17:48:46] <Monni> never ;)[17:48:51] <DeadYak> you lose[17:48:57] <Gareth> What is Haiku can be an iso file?[17:49:00] <Monni> whatever[17:49:20] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[17:49:23] <Monni> iso file literally contains iso9660 filesystem and only iso9660 filesystem[17:49:24] <erika14212> like a live cd[17:49:29] <DeadYak> Monni: and your point is?[17:49:31] <Gareth> I'll take "Monni doesn't know what he's talking about" for $1000, Alex[17:49:45] *** sprma has joined #haiku[17:49:54] <DeadYak> Monni: our VFS can do layered filesystems, ergo you can do a generic attribute layer that emulates attrs for filesystems that don't support them.[17:50:09] <DeadYak> which in fact is already being discussed as a way to do a CD without having to do two tracks.[17:50:39] <Monni> DeadYak: Like I said earlier today... some USB drives use CDFS... CDFS can contain iso images, bfs images etc...[17:51:03] <DeadYak> which is irrelevant to an actual CD.....[17:51:08] *** erika14212 has quit IRC[17:51:23] <Monni> actual CD doesn't care **** what you burn to it...[17:51:50] <Monni> actual CD can and most likely uses CDFS as outermost filesystem[17:52:40] <Monni> same with RockRidge images and some Apple-style CDs[17:53:48] <mmu_man> it's more of a partition table[17:54:59] *** Animal-X has joined #haiku[17:55:53] *** Jixt has quit IRC[17:56:22] <Monni> cdfs is a lot like partition table for hard disks...[17:56:34] *** Euver has quit IRC[17:57:11] <Monni> Wikipedia says it's kind of virtual file system, but that's pretty ambiguous definition[17:58:21] *** Styrbjorn has quit IRC[17:58:37] <Monni> other term to describe it is "special purpose file system" afaik...[18:00:40] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[18:01:39] *** boh666 has joined #haiku[18:02:31] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[18:05:00] <miqlas> BSnow did'nt work in R28350. I don't see the snow.[18:05:10] <MindChild> cdfs IS ambiguous. You can have UDF/Rockridge/ISO9960/joliet on cdfs[18:09:06] *** sprma has quit IRC[18:13:09] *** MauriceK has joined #haiku[18:17:09] <Monni> cdfs is container for several other filesystems, just like zip is container for various files and directories ;)[18:20:01] <Monni> cdfs can also mix filesystems and "raw audio" ;)[18:36:58] <CIA-60> axeld * r28383 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/debugger/demangle/gcc2.cpp:[18:36:58] <CIA-60> * count_namespaces() did not work correctly when there were more than one but[18:36:58] <CIA-60> less than 10 namespaces.[18:36:58] <CIA-60> * 'const' object methods are now properly handled.[18:36:58] <CIA-60> * Template classes are now ignored as well.[18:37:37] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[18:37:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[18:41:33] *** wildur has quit IRC[18:41:47] <miqlas> Why so distorted and pixelish the radio buttons and the rounded corners inFirefox?[18:42:29] *** sijmen has quit IRC[18:43:44] <mmu_man> you mean CSS corners ?[18:44:07] <mmu_man> well likely unfinished code in the beos backend[18:50:47] <Begasus> cya peeps![18:51:19] <Monni> cya Begasus[18:51:29] <Begasus> plop[18:51:34] *** Begasus has quit IRC[18:52:23] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC[18:52:43] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[18:56:33] *** AndrevS has joined #haiku[18:58:23] *** Monni has quit IRC[18:59:35] *** andguent has quit IRC[19:01:33] *** vmlemon_ has joined #haiku[19:01:49] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[19:07:32] *** aphedox has quit IRC[19:10:37] *** tqh has joined #haiku[19:10:48] <mmu_man> lol[19:10:59] <mmu_man> an industrial robot arm as orchestra chief[19:11:01] <mmu_man> funny[19:11:11] <CIA-60> axeld * r28384 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/add-ons/kernel/ (4 files in 2 dirs): * Added test application for the GCC2 demangler.[19:12:08] <mmu_man> who needs test ?[19:12:50] <tqh> all those that wants to know if it works correctly :P[19:14:02] *** Styrbjorn has joined #haiku[19:15:13] <CIA-60> axeld * r28385 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/debugger/demangle/gcc2.cpp: * Namespaces of argument names are now also handled properly.[19:18:07] <tqh> so now that we have all the fancy demangling, when will we get mangling :)[19:27:22] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[19:28:39] <CIA-60> axeld * r28386 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/arch/x86/arch_debug.cpp:[19:28:39] <CIA-60> * Instead of faulting when trying to print an invalid string pointer,[19:28:39] <CIA-60> print_demangled_call() will now use user_strlcpy() to copy the string[19:28:39] <CIA-60> first (if that fails, it will printf '???' to show this).[19:28:43] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[19:32:26] <tqh> go go xubuntu upgrade[19:34:32] <vmlemon_> No Haikubuntu? ;)[19:34:56] <DeadYak> ew :P[19:35:20] <tqh> no, I only want Haiku Haiku[19:36:06] <mmu_man> GNU/Haiku you mean[19:36:07] <mmu_man> :D[19:36:18] <DeadYak> mmu_man: lol[19:36:27] <tqh> nah I like BSD/Haiku :)[19:36:47] *** sprma has joined #haiku[19:36:52] <tqh> but only in the license meaning :)[19:37:08] <vmlemon_> Soliku? (Solaris/Haiku hybrid, probably) ;)[19:37:27] <DeadYak> tqh: I dunno, we have enough BSD code imported that the technological meaning would be at least partly valid too :)[19:38:14] <tqh> yes, the bsd guys rock. They even know how to make the code purty.[19:38:19] <mmu_man> hmm MediaPlayer still doesn't like me :([19:38:56] *** Guma_ has joined #haiku[19:39:29] *** Guma_ has quit IRC[19:39:30] <tqh> btw all you other guys didn't need to upgrade while I'm doing it :)[19:39:57] *** tqh2 has joined #haiku[19:40:12] *** Guma_ has joined #haiku[19:40:39] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[19:41:12] *** tqh2 has quit IRC[19:42:06] *** VinDuv|laptop has joined #haiku[19:42:34] *** VinDuv|laptop has quit IRC[19:42:55] *** VinDuv|laptop has joined #haiku[19:43:32] <mmu_man> hmm is the Terminal dragger still enabled btw ?[19:44:40] *** Guma_ is now known as Guma[19:44:52] *** Guma is now known as _Guma_[19:45:36] *** _Guma_ has left #haiku[19:46:15] <DeadYak> mmu_man: I thought that was disabled ages ago?[19:46:21] <DeadYak> at least I don't remember seeing a dragger in there[19:46:46] *** leszek has joined #haiku[19:47:04] <leszek> re[19:47:57] *** luroh has joined #haiku[19:47:58] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[19:52:03] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[19:52:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[19:56:38] <mmu_man> CIA-60 help[19:57:01] <mmu_man> CIA-60 talk to me[19:57:04] <mmu_man> oh well[19:57:14] * DeadYak slaps CIA-60[20:00:10] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[20:00:38] * tqh hugs CIA-60[20:00:39] * CIA-60 hugs tqh[20:04:27] <mmu_man> hmm[20:04:40] <mmu_man> seems About credits are supposed to be clickable[20:04:44] <mmu_man> but it didn't seem to work here[20:05:11] <DeadYak> our credits still need a Habanero Masters section :)[20:05:35] <Teknomancer> nite[20:05:35] *** Teknomancer has left #haiku[20:06:39] <tqh> It also lacks an 'All hails TQH!' section[20:06:51] <DeadYak> hah.[20:09:31] *** atomozero has joined #haiku[20:10:01] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[20:10:51] *** oco has joined #haiku[20:12:23] <mmu_man> well let's see how it goes to enable it[20:12:41] <DeadYak> enable what?[20:12:51] <tqh> dragger in terminal I guess[20:12:56] <DeadYak> ah[20:13:05] <DeadYak> I'm trying and failing to remember what problem resulted in that being disabled[20:13:06] * tqh thinks mmu_man likes replicants[20:13:23] <miqlas> I can't compile the im_kit :([20:13:35] <DeadYak> that was fixed the other night[20:13:42] <DeadYak> need a pretty recent revision to do that[20:13:58] <miqlas> i get the sources from the osdrawer ...[20:14:11] <DeadYak> yes, there was an error in Haiku's headers[20:14:17] <DeadYak> it's fixed in newer revs, like I said[20:14:24] <mmu_man> tqh sure Ilike them[20:14:43] <DeadYak> specifically r28362 or higher[20:14:55] <mmu_man> I want VNCViewer replicant, NetSurf replicant, BePDF rpelicant[20:14:57] <mmu_man> ...[20:15:00] <miqlas> IM_Kit Revision 749[20:15:34] <miqlas> mmu_man, i want IM_Kit contact list replicant[20:16:31] <mmu_man> contact list ?[20:16:34] <mmu_man> use Tracker :p[20:16:57] <mmu_man> well, Tracker isn't really replicable (yet)[20:21:21] <miqlas> I compiled an new InfoPopper binary: http://noob.hu/07/1030/info_popper.jpg[20:21:21] <miqlas> Cool.[20:21:51] <mmu_man> nice[20:21:57] <miqlas> If You have libxml2, You can build it. It is easy.[20:22:15] * mmu_man recalls his script using IP for stupid things...[20:22:27] <mmu_man> like using the GLTeapot icon to remind the tea time[20:22:44] <mmu_man> oh, I also had something to pop up on incomming telnet/ftp[20:24:45] <miqlas> I want test the new im_kit, but i can't :( Hmm..Hmm...[20:29:56] *** nils_2 has joined #haiku[20:30:38] *** pyCube has quit IRC[20:31:20] <miqlas> I get this error massage in Haiku: http://noob.hu/07/1030/error.jpg :)[20:31:55] <miqlas> I need format the HDD?[20:32:20] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[20:33:31] <mmu_man> lol[20:33:51] <mmu_man> are you fixing wine ?[20:34:09] <miqlas> No, i only testing InfoPopper....[20:34:33] <miqlas> mmu, i'm only a Haiku fan, not developer, sorry.[20:34:54] <miqlas> Is somebody tested to build the FeedKit? I can't build it...[20:36:10] <mmu_man> hmm so, clicking in the About works in BeOS[20:36:12] <mmu_man> not in Haiku[20:37:18] <miqlas> Whats this: "makefile:36: *** commands commence before first target. Stop."[20:37:25] <miqlas> And what can i do now?[20:38:32] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[20:39:07] <plfiorini> plop to all[20:39:17] *** sprma has quit IRC[20:39:31] <atomozero> hi plfiorini my imkit men :D[20:39:55] <plfiorini> ahahaha :D[20:40:06] * plfiorini took two cadavers at work[20:40:21] <plfiorini> maybe i will do a haiku machine asap[20:40:26] <plfiorini> yahooooooo[20:40:50] <plfiorini> i just need to find a ide disk[20:41:16] <atomozero> plfiorini: i have 2 disk mmm 10 or 20 giga[20:41:16] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[20:41:39] <plfiorini> wow![20:42:34] *** adb_ has joined #haiku[20:43:10] <plfiorini> i should find the sata pci card to use my old sata disk[20:43:33] <plfiorini> just to make it working very soon[20:44:44] <miqlas> plfiorani, i can't build im_kit on Haiku. :([20:44:52] <miqlas> But info popper working correctly.[20:45:04] <plfiorini> miqlas, i built im kit last night[20:45:10] <plfiorini> miqlas, what error?[20:45:18] <plfiorini> miqlas, are you building it from 3rdparty?[20:45:38] <CIA-60> mmu_man * r28387 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/aboutsystem/AboutSystem.cpp:[20:48:37] <plfiorini> where do i've lost my screwdriver...[20:53:19] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[20:53:36] *** MauriceK has quit IRC[20:54:29] * plfiorini needs a halloween suite http://www.backstage089.de/presse_files/24/Lordi.jpg[20:57:19] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC[20:58:58] *** vmlemon_ has joined #haiku[20:59:20] <MrSunshine> http://images.slashdot.org/articles/08/10/30/0027211-1.png i want that pumpkin[21:00:38] <plfiorini> http://www.eurovisionclub.com/assets/images/2006/lordi_tabloid/lordi_tabloid03.jpg[21:00:47] <plfiorini> awesome she is so cute without the mask[21:01:44] <miqlas> Ouch: http://pic.mellbimbo.hu/files/00034900.jpg[21:02:21] <leszek> lol[21:02:24] <tqh> haha[21:02:44] <miqlas> Is Fallout 3 released now for Haiku?[21:03:16] *** rdmr has quit IRC[21:03:35] <tqh> also Duke Nukem[21:04:08] <miqlas> Duke Nukem Forever?[21:04:35] <MrSunshine> not duke nukem never[21:04:35] <tqh> all of them[21:04:59] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[21:05:25] <MrSunshine> ive honestly never ever played duke nukem .. of any kind :)[21:07:56] <mmu_man> hey WTF[21:08:08] * mmu_man just noticed the U+f000 character...[21:09:53] <mmu_man> PRIVATE_USE_AREA[21:10:00] <mmu_man> oh, seems it actually depends onthe font :('[21:10:10] <thotypous> [21:14:52] <mmu_man> oh, BeOS seems to actually special case arrow and enter shortcuts to other unicode chars[21:15:05] <mmu_man> I suspected it translated control chars but not just those ones[21:22:55] *** Hugen_ has joined #haiku[21:23:02] <Hugen_> hi all[21:27:39] <miqlas> The Beam looks zetaish on Haiku : http://noob.hu/07/1030/screenshot5.jpg . But Works with SSL, and Gmail.[21:28:57] *** johndrinkwater has quit IRC[21:33:48] *** boh666 has quit IRC[21:35:10] <mmu_man> hmm http://unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2190.pdf[21:35:47] <mmu_man> miqlas Beam used gradients on toolbars way before ZETA had them[21:36:46] *** VinDuv|laptop has left #haiku[21:37:36] <miqlas> mmu_man, oh, okay :)[21:39:47] <thotypous> hehe it looks nice[21:41:15] *** leszek has quit IRC[21:49:47] *** Hugen_ has quit IRC[21:52:34] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[21:53:03] <pyCube> hi[21:53:32] *** JMReis has joined #haiku[21:54:53] * pyCube would rather be at home enjoying the first blulstery, rainy-ish day of the year[21:56:00] <JMReis> hi everyone....does anybody else have problems with the login on the bebits.com page?[21:59:38] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[22:09:13] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[22:12:14] <tqh> We have D code? http://www.ohloh.net/projects/haiku/analyses/latest[22:13:27] *** miqlas has quit IRC[22:15:28] *** stpere has quit IRC[22:16:21] <thotypous> there is something wrong with these analysis[22:16:39] <thotypous> 4065 GPLv2 files?[22:16:47] <mmu_man> [22:21] <DosX> mmu_man: hangman in kdebug?[22:16:47] <mmu_man> [22:21] <DosX> amazing. i'll switch to haiku :D[22:16:52] <thotypous> 83 GPLv3? are there GPLv3 at all?[22:16:58] <mmu_man> I *knew* it would be a + for us :)[22:17:20] <tqh> thotypous, gcc is very very big[22:17:29] <thotypous> ah[22:17:32] <thotypous> so it includes buildtools[22:17:49] <tqh> thotypous, I think it takes everything in svn[22:18:05] <thotypous> yes.. you are right.. that explains everything[22:18:31] *** stpere has joined #haiku[22:19:55] *** Monni has joined #Haiku[22:21:05] *** johndrinkwater has joined #haiku[22:21:26] *** erika14212 has joined #haiku[22:21:32] <erika14212> hi all[22:23:45] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[22:25:09] *** erika14212 has left #haiku[22:27:58] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[22:29:23] *** Monni_ has joined #Haiku[22:30:09] *** Monni_ has quit IRC[22:30:14] *** Monni has quit IRC[22:30:25] *** Monni has joined #Haiku[22:31:17] *** Monni has quit IRC[22:33:08] *** Monni has joined #Haiku[22:33:46] <MrSunshine> tqh, heh i guess it has to do with the parsing or something :)[22:33:49] <MrSunshine> that they do[22:34:07] <MrSunshine> 541 lines of php ?[22:34:20] <MrSunshine> and classic basic?[22:35:00] <tqh> probably 3rdparty stuff that's in svn root.[22:35:02] <pyCube> people still use php?[22:36:05] <MrSunshine> the linux kernel is a big little beast :)[22:36:15] <MrSunshine> 13.9 million lines of code[22:36:21] <helf> I hope you are joking, pyCube[22:36:34] <MrSunshine> or even more[22:36:40] *** boobz has joined #haiku[22:36:46] <boobz> hello[22:37:07] <pyCube> helf, um.. no. I havent heard of/seen anybody using it for a while[22:37:07] <boobz> someone know how to install haiku from linux ()[22:37:18] <boobz> I already have compile the haiku-image[22:37:19] <pyCube> i assumed everybody grew up :-p[22:37:35] <AlienSoldier> lot of current kernel size is mainly due to stupid hardware[22:37:44] <thotypous> boobz, to a partition?[22:37:48] <thotypous> or to a pendrive?[22:37:49] <boobz> yes[22:37:56] <boobz> to my /dev/sdaX[22:38:06] <helf> what rock do youl ive under? :P[22:38:16] <boobz> I want to use grub with chainloader[22:38:23] <pyCube> the rock of not leet haxor web doodz[22:38:29] <thotypous> boobz, there are 2 ways.. you can dd the image into the /dev/sdaX, then call makebootable to fix the boot loader offset[22:38:39] <thotypous> otherwise you can just create an UserBuildConfig[22:38:41] <thotypous> file[22:38:48] <boobz> ok[22:38:54] <thotypous> telling jam to generate the image directly into the partition[22:38:59] <thotypous> I recommend the second way[22:39:02] <boobz> ok[22:39:09] <boobz> and with the second way[22:39:11] <boobz> to install[22:39:22] <boobz> i lauch jam install-haiku ?[22:39:24] <thotypous> http://haiku-os.org/documents/dev/installing_haiku_to_a_partition_from_linux[22:39:34] <boobz> ok thanks[22:40:03] <thotypous> you create the UserBuildConfig file as it teachs here, then you will just call "jam" as root and it will install it to the partition[22:40:18] *** tqh2 has joined #haiku[22:40:24] <boobz> ok thanks[22:40:36] <MrSunshine> jam haiku-image[22:40:38] <MrSunshine> as root[22:41:35] <tqh> or even better join the disk group[22:41:44] <tqh> adduser youruser disk[22:42:05] *** tqh2 has quit IRC[22:42:16] <boobz> thanks for your help[22:42:42] <pyCube> helf, so where are you seeing php these days?[22:43:38] <tqh> in the face of every child, on every street ...[22:44:16] <helf> dunno any specifics off hand, but i run into it all over the place[22:44:30] <helf> well, the forum i frequent uses it[22:44:31] <thotypous> a bug in a program could wipe up your hard disk if you are in the disk group :P there was a bug like that in wine some time ago[22:45:25] <pyCube> phpBB!![22:45:41] <pyCube> heh[22:45:55] <helf> yeah :)[22:46:53] <pyCube> i remember years ago MYOB telling me about how there are no python jobs..[22:51:05] <pyCube> good thing he was wrong or i would have been totally wasting my time[22:51:08] *** petterhj has quit IRC[22:52:27] *** ablyss has joined #haiku[22:53:59] <pyCube> hi ablyss[22:54:07] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[22:54:35] <ablyss> hi pyCube[22:55:00] <ablyss> sorry if I dont reply quickly, I'm driving :|[22:55:05] <pyCube> ah. heh[22:55:08] <pyCube> sounds dangerous[22:55:13] <ablyss> next redlight maybe[22:56:15] <ablyss> hmm // opera on widblows has text to speech... i wonder if it would work w/ IRC[22:56:43] <AlexForster> as well as windows' text to speech works, i would assume[22:56:58] <AlexForster> vista's voice control works suprisingly well, its tts might too[22:57:11] <ablyss> using bluetooth for internet on my LG Vu phone ISDN speeds[22:57:40] <AlexForster> and satellite latency[22:57:58] <pyCube> and drippingly geek[22:58:03] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:59:29] <ablyss> dont make me laugh ... i gottapee real bad[22:59:56] <ablyss> andtraffic suxs[23:00:43] <pyCube> once that happened to me.. and just as i was nearing home, i got stuck behind a broken railroad crossing[23:01:04] <ablyss> lol[23:01:06] <pyCube> ..thankfully, my car is just short enough to fit underneath.. much to the envy of the cars behind me[23:03:12] * mmu_man rather wants speech to text[23:03:14] <ablyss> you still running os x pyCube ?[23:03:24] <mmu_man> I actually ported CMU Sphinx once[23:03:49] <pyCube> ablyss, sometimes.. like when i am at home near my macbook[23:04:28] <ablyss> cool[23:08:32] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[23:13:30] *** Dane_ has joined #Haiku[23:15:47] *** JMReis has quit IRC[23:15:52] *** AndrevS has quit IRC[23:17:15] *** miqlas_opera has joined #haiku[23:17:51] *** miqlas_opera has quit IRC[23:18:43] *** miqlas_opera has joined #haiku[23:18:45] *** wildur has quit IRC[23:18:47] <miqlas_opera> Hello[23:19:41] *** miqlas_opera is now known as miqlas[23:20:30] <AlexForster> speech to text?[23:21:37] <Dane_> Does anyone know of a good overall diagnostic tool for BeOS, to test out the entire system...hard drive, network, sound cards, etc., and give a report?[23:21:39] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[23:22:06] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:22:52] <miqlas> Dane_, BePCInfo : http://www.bebits.com/app/1945[23:23:10] <Dane_> cool...checking it out...thaks miqlas![23:23:45] <miqlas> The link is broken...[23:25:15] <Dane_> found a copy in beshare[23:26:07] <miqlas> Ok:)[23:28:39] *** thotypous has quit IRC[23:28:41] <Dane_> BeShare frequently "bails me out" when a link is broken at BeBits. :-)[23:28:59] <Dane_> If Zathros ever goes away, we're all in deep doo doo :-)[23:29:23] <Dane_> Speaking of deep doo doo, hi mmu_man :-P[23:29:35] <mmu_man> hi :)[23:29:40] <miqlas> Dan_, i was think You are new boy, and You can't use BeShare....[23:29:42] <miqlas> Sorry.[23:29:55] <miqlas> But You make it :)[23:37:17] *** ablyss has quit IRC[23:37:21] *** JT_ has joined #haiku[23:37:47] *** JT_ is now known as [JT][23:37:57] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[23:38:37] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[23:45:28] *** atomozero has quit IRC[23:45:51] *** atomozero has joined #haiku[23:46:17] <pyCube> deep doo wop[23:47:51] <pyCube> like bowser from sha na na[23:48:14] <Dane_> oops, now you're showin' your age, pyCube :-)[23:48:46] <pyCube> heh[23:49:01] <pyCube> i guess so huh[23:49:44] <pyCube> i always forget that people I assume are 'adults' were born pre 1980..[23:49:50] <pyCube> wait[23:50:17] <pyCube> ack[23:50:21] <miqlas> Mesa is included by default in Haiku?[23:50:39] <pyCube> horrid sentence[23:50:57] <DeadYak> miqlas: yes, that's what we use for OpenGL kit[23:51:12] <pyCube> i forget that people who i see as adults werent necessarily born pre-1980[23:51:25] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[23:51:30] <DeadYak> pyCube: I was just barely born in 1980[23:51:51] <pyCube> i have memories of 1980[23:53:53] <DeadYak> I remember a few scattered images from about 1983-1984 or so...that's as early as I go[23:54:05] <miqlas> reboot[23:54:08] *** miqlas has left #haiku[23:54:24] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[23:56:44] *** nils_2 has quit IRC[23:57:05] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC[23:58:34] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[23:59:17] <miqlas> Only the BeThon can make Be like windows? Or the simple python can make it too?[23:59:45] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[23:59:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man