October 29, 2008 
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October 29, 2008 [00:00:55] <AlienSoldier> i see november 12 as release date[00:04:19] <mmadia> hrrmm.. what can be causing DNS issues in net_server?[00:04:53] *** rdmr has quit IRC[00:10:22] *** ddew|bofh has joined #haiku[00:11:32] *** Malmis has quit IRC[00:11:33] *** _Malmis is now known as Malmis[00:13:22] *** Guma has joined #haiku[00:14:23] <Guma> What is the difference between haiku-pre-alpha-r28350-raw.zip and haiku.image.r28350.zip. One is much bigger than other. What is included in pre alpha[00:16:48] *** flssrswkgd has quit IRC[00:17:50] <CIA-60> anevilyak * r28361 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/Shelf.cpp:[00:17:50] <CIA-60> Fix various errors in handling specifiers and/or scripting messages. This[00:17:50] <CIA-60> makes the Get, Count and Delete Replicant scripting directives work correctly,[00:17:50] <CIA-60> and consequently fixes the Remove BSnow button (ticket #1897), as well as[00:17:50] <CIA-60> commands like: hey Tracker Get Replicant BSnow of Shelf of View PoseView of Window 1[00:18:47] <thotypous> wow! BSnow fixed! thanks :D[00:18:57] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[00:19:08] <thotypous> [21:20:01] <thotypous> wow! BSnow fixed! thanks :D[00:19:13] <thotypous> :P[00:20:04] <mmu_man> :)[00:20:12] <mmu_man> see, it wasn't my fault :D[00:20:15] <AnEvilYak> lol[00:20:40] <tigerdog> hooray Yak![00:20:43] <AnEvilYak> BSnow does kind of chew CPU time pretty heavily though :)[00:20:55] <AnEvilYak> at least here[00:21:02] <mmu_man> well it's a cpu cycle sucker[00:21:03] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[00:21:04] <tigerdog> now if I could just figure out why I can't even run in VESA mode any more...[00:21:31] <tigerdog> the alpha versions will only come up correctly if I hit spacebar and choose safe video mode here[00:21:43] <tigerdog> nVidia acceleration is busted too.[00:21:45] <tigerdog> :([00:21:48] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[00:22:07] *** A-v-S has joined #haiku[00:28:15] <tigerdog> I guess I'm the only poor sod with video issues under Haiku. :([00:28:28] * AnEvilYak pets tigerdog[00:28:42] * tigerdog wags tail[00:28:43] <AnEvilYak> unfortunately I know nothing about the nvidia accelerant :/[00:28:45] <AnEvilYak> nor any hardware[00:29:13] <tigerdog> the nVidia issue is reported; there are two tickets open since the issues may or may not be related.[00:29:19] *** Thomas_away has quit IRC[00:29:26] <tigerdog> no word from Rudolph C. yet.[00:29:42] <tigerdog> the problem happens when the driver/accelerant is built for r5, too.[00:29:48] <tigerdog> so its definitely in the driver.[00:30:40] <AnEvilYak> ah[00:31:09] <mmadia> which nvidia card?[00:32:14] <tigerdog> 7600GS PCIe[00:32:19] <tigerdog> 256Mb[00:32:44] <tigerdog> works fine with older version of rudolphs driver, under Zeta, BONE and R5[00:33:21] <aldeck> hmm i got a black screen with a 7600Go 512Mb in laptop.[00:33:32] <aldeck> dunnon if it's the same gpu though[00:33:38] <aldeck> *dunno[00:33:49] <AnEvilYak> the Go parts are slightly different afaik[00:37:37] *** ari2-free has quit IRC[00:38:56] *** AndrevS has quit IRC[00:41:04] *** mmadia has quit IRC[00:41:45] *** DaaT has quit IRC[00:42:01] *** Guma has quit IRC[00:42:58] *** ari-free has joined #haiku[00:43:14] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[00:43:25] <tigerdog> aldeck, black screen is what I get.[00:43:58] <aldeck> hmm, and vesa doesn't work either?[00:44:00] <tigerdog> er, more precisely, the output keeps toggling. Monitor shows "no video", then tries to sync, then "no video" again.[00:45:18] <tigerdog> vesa worked as recently as build 2827x. I had to start in safe mode originally, but after the Screen control panel wrote a VESA config file, subsequent starts were fine.[00:45:36] <tigerdog> I could even edit the VESA file for widescreen modes.[00:45:43] <tigerdog> now, that doesn't work.[00:46:19] * mmu_man just learnt about the Church of Stop Shopping[00:46:21] <mmu_man> funny[00:46:54] <Stefan100> Have you been enlightened by the Church of FSM yet?[00:47:06] <mmu_man> the Church of Emacs you mean ?[00:47:21] <mmu_man> I'm still on the path to being Saint[00:47:25] <Stefan100> His noodly appendage beats your emacs any day[00:47:33] <mmu_man> I still have proprietary software to remove from my PC :)[00:47:35] <ddew|bofh> fsm rocks. may his noodly appendage touch you[00:47:50] <aldeck> tigerdog: ooh, vesa and widescreen, i thought that wasn't possible[00:48:13] <mmu_man> oh, didn't know that one[00:48:24] <tigerdog> aldeck: so did I, but somehow it worked, at least until recently.[00:48:39] <Stefan100> I love proprietary software[00:48:43] <mmu_man> oh wait yes I recall seeing that[00:48:47] <mmu_man> really funny[00:48:55] <mmu_man> (and rightfully useful)[00:49:02] <aldeck> tigerdog: never tried on that machine before, so i couldn't know if it worked before :)[00:49:21] <tigerdog> all I did was edit the VESA file in /boot/home/config/settings/kernel/drivers to 1270x768. once there, all the widescreen modes showed up in the "Screen" prefs panel.[00:49:23] <aldeck> tigerdog: do you have a ticket for your problems?[00:50:03] <aldeck> tigerdog: well tried 1280x800 here but nothing... it stays on 1024x768[00:50:27] <tigerdog> aldeck: yes, ticket opened. can't think of the number at the moment.[00:50:39] <aldeck> tigerdog: ok np, i'll find out[00:51:40] <aldeck> tigerdog: but maybe we should disable those cards ids for the alpha.. until we find a solution[00:51:48] <AnEvilYak> 2790 2791 2948 all seem related[00:51:58] <tigerdog> mine is 2948.[00:52:21] <AnEvilYak> 2791 is yours too :)[00:52:44] <tigerdog> yes, Yak, on a slightly different subject.[00:52:53] <tigerdog> not directly related to nVidia.[00:52:55] <AnEvilYak> looked related though[00:52:56] <AnEvilYak> oh[00:53:19] <aldeck> and anyone with a supported 7600Go around?[00:53:21] <tigerdog> turns out the VESA driver doesn't look at the modelines in the accelerant headers[00:53:35] <AnEvilYak> well yeah, it can't[00:54:04] <AnEvilYak> the VESA driver only knows the modes that are part of the vesa spec and the ones the monitor gives it back via EDID, assuming the monitor does so at all[00:55:05] <judgen> GTG GNITE[00:55:10] *** judgen has quit IRC[00:57:01] <Stefan100> niterogen[01:00:35] *** N3S has quit IRC[01:02:14] *** judgen has joined #haiku[01:14:25] * aldeck pets AnEvilYak[01:14:34] <aldeck> BSnow \o/[01:16:27] <mmu_man> :)[01:16:42] <aldeck> plop :)[01:17:02] <aldeck> works nicely now[01:22:11] <ddew|bofh> egad, i'm about to hurl[01:22:46] <ddew|bofh> the latest stock ticker update on my desktop told me that i'd lost 10K$[01:23:13] <ari-free> must be a pretty weird stock considering that everything else went up today[01:23:52] <ddew|bofh> not odd, it's the asian market and it won't see the rise until tomorrow[01:25:09] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[01:25:17] <ari-free> usually the asian market gives a hint to what the US will do tomorrow. so it's down now? figures[01:26:02] <ddew|bofh> guess we'll have to wait and see :)[01:26:11] <tigerdog> well, time to find the rest of the pack and hunt down a buffalo to feed the family. BBL[01:26:20] * tigerdog barks, waves, and trots away.[01:26:29] <ari-free> well i expect big swings up and down for at least the next few days[01:26:32] *** tigerdog has quit IRC[01:26:47] <ddew|bofh> there's been big swings up and down the past few weeks[01:26:57] <ddew|bofh> i don't expect that to change for a while[01:27:26] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[01:27:47] <ddew|bofh> and selling now would be like the worst idea ever[01:27:53] <ari-free> well we'll see after the elections. that's what people may be betting on[01:29:58] *** luroh has quit IRC[01:32:40] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[01:33:36] *** umccullough_w has joined #haiku[01:33:38] *** Sarmy has joined #haiku[01:34:06] *** Sarmy has left #haiku[01:38:37] *** zizban has joined #haiku[01:42:25] *** Stefan100 has quit IRC[01:43:38] *** TheNerd has joined #haiku[01:47:49] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28362 /haiku/trunk/headers/compatibility/bsd/sys/cdefs.h: Don't define "protected" macro in C++ mode.[01:50:43] <mmu_man> damn, our (stupid, but just like her predecessors) minister of culture trying to explain his new bill on "piracy" (that is the "bad" ppl downloading music on the net, not the real pirates who cause damage to companies but they don't care)[01:50:47] <mmu_man> on tv[01:51:15] <ddew|bofh> you're also getting hit by that new EU law?[01:51:48] <ddew|bofh> we're getting that too, but our government thought it was too wussy so they upgraded it[01:51:49] <mmu_man> we already have our own translation of EUCD (DADVSI)[01:51:56] <mmu_man> but they thought it was not enough[01:52:05] <mmu_man> yeah[01:52:19] <mmu_man> it's funny they always transcript "for the worse"[01:52:43] <mmu_man> and add their own spice to it, just to maintain the illusion that they can decide anything[01:52:43] <ddew|bofh> we're essentially giving the anti-piracy lobby more power over copyright issues than the police have over "real" crime[01:54:49] <ddew|bofh> this latest development is literally the last thing i'd expect from the current government. they're right wing and want to makes us about as free as the people in the DDR or stalinist USSR[01:55:01] <ddew|bofh> *wants to give[01:55:19] <ddew|bofh> heh, i'm so upset i can't even type :P[01:55:44] <ari-free> we need to crack down on all the videos of babies dancing to music. they must not be tolerated[01:56:01] <ddew|bofh> ok, 1997 called. they want their meme back[01:57:07] <ddew|bofh> rickrolling otoh, that should be a felony[01:57:57] <AlienSoldier> babies are only funny when sleeping in their cereal bowl ... and dresed as clown, that is always funny[01:58:36] <ari-free> babies are never funny when they are STEALING[01:58:40] <ari-free> hehehe[01:58:56] <ddew|bofh> clowns creep me the fuck out[01:59:31] <AlienSoldier> of course, want to make billions? do a god of war beatem up in clown land[01:59:52] <ari-free> especially the clowns from that house of 1000 corpses movie[01:59:57] <AlienSoldier> mythology, vampire, pssss.... clown!!![02:00:14] <AlienSoldier> only saw the sequel to that yet[02:00:18] <ari-free> now that was a messed up movie[02:00:38] <AlienSoldier> seen vulgar, best clown movie i think i saw[02:04:00] <zizban> I tend to avoid clown movies[02:04:25] <AlienSoldier> i tend to avoid 4 fantastic movies, yet i saw 3 so far :([02:06:24] <zizban> kinda like cinematic crack, eh? :)[02:06:51] <ari-free> batman dark knight was a good clown movie[02:07:27] <zizban> Ya I haven't seen that--waiting for the DVD[02:07:43] <ddew|bofh> reading "IT" has scarred me for life[02:08:43] <zizban> Reading "The Dead Zone"did that to me[02:09:01] <ddew|bofh> well after It clowns creep me out totally :)[02:10:55] <zizban> heh[02:11:55] <ddew|bofh> John Wayne Gacy hasn't helped putting clowns in good grace either[02:12:54] <ari-free> maybe what you need is some cirque de soleil[02:13:02] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[02:13:23] <ddew|bofh> nah, i just need clowns to leave me alone :P[02:13:50] <zizban> got some clown paranoia going on? Hmmm?[02:14:19] <ddew|bofh> just a little :P[02:14:38] <ari-free> what gets me is that pillsbury dough boy[02:14:40] <zizban> :)[02:14:57] <zizban> that thing creeped me out since I was a child[02:15:04] <zizban> and that one with the talking hand[02:16:17] *** Duggan2 has joined #haiku[02:17:05] *** Duggan has quit IRC[02:17:08] *** Duggan2 is now known as Duggan[02:17:20] <Duggan> greetings all[02:18:49] <zizban> hello[02:20:16] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[02:22:47] *** digitalteufel has joined #haiku[02:24:41] *** umccullough_w has quit IRC[02:26:39] <Duggan> anybody have any good links about driver debugging in Haiku?[02:26:40] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28363 /haiku/trunk/data/etc/licenses/ (Artistic (Perl) GNU GPL v1): Added GNU GPL version 1 and Perl's version of the Artistic license.[02:36:10] *** aldec1 has joined #Haiku[02:36:26] *** aldeck has quit IRC[02:36:33] *** aldec1 has quit IRC[02:43:36] *** judgen has quit IRC[02:46:39] *** redblue has joined #haiku[02:47:51] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:47:56] *** petterhj has quit IRC[02:55:26] *** ushdf has joined #haiku[02:55:42] <ushdf> where do i find a group of people dedicated to writing their own OSes[02:55:48] <ushdf> i figured this was a half-good place to start[02:56:05] <Duggan> what do you mean to writing their own OSes?[02:56:13] <ushdf> to designing OSes[02:56:14] <Duggan> I mean freenode is filled with them[02:56:15] <ushdf> and implementing them[02:56:20] <ushdf> that's true[02:56:22] <thotypous> ushdf, #osdev[02:56:26] <ushdf> thanks[02:56:54] <Duggan> I'm actually looking at starting my own little project here soon lol[02:57:02] <Duggan> soon as school lets up a little...[02:57:07] <ddew|bofh> www.osdev.org looks fun[02:58:15] <Duggan> http://www.osdever.net/ is better[02:58:43] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[03:06:36] <zizban> you put your energy into helping an existing small OS[03:07:05] <Duggan> I'd be happy to if I thought I could do anything to help Haiku...[03:07:10] <Duggan> lol[03:07:22] <zizban> I wasn't thinking Haiku[03:07:25] <Duggan> actually, everybody should mark their calendars, I DID build haiku successfully today[03:07:28] <Duggan> oh.... I am[03:07:33] <zizban> You could help Syllable[03:07:37] <Duggan> and if not Haiku, then my own project lol[03:07:48] <zizban> syllable.sf.net[03:08:39] <Duggan> no, I'm afraid I cant be a part of that project[03:09:13] <Duggan> it's working with GPL'ed code, and I can't bring myself to do that[03:09:31] <zizban> wow..umm, okay. Your choice :)[03:09:37] <Duggan> lol[03:10:02] <Duggan> I've got in some pretty big arguments in here about that hehe[03:10:05] <ushdf> what's using haiku like?[03:10:22] <Duggan> ever used the BeOS?[03:10:30] <zizban> uh I dunno[03:10:36] <zizban> its like an os-gasm?[03:10:42] <Duggan> for me, yes[03:10:42] <zizban> wrong word, maybe :)[03:10:47] <Duggan> for most of us, probably[03:10:49] <Duggan> thats why we're here[03:10:52] <Duggan> :)[03:11:53] <ddew|bofh> beos rocks![03:12:07] <ddew|bofh> well, haiku does. beos not so much (anymore)[03:12:32] <zizban> ya. true[03:12:53] <Duggan> Be Inc. created the BeOS.... Be Inc. went bankrupt... Haiku is an open-source clone of the BeOS..... but better[03:12:55] <Duggan> or will be[03:13:21] <zizban> yes[03:13:23] <ddew|bofh> it already is better[03:13:27] *** zizban has left #haiku[03:13:34] <Duggan> Be Inc. was also founded by some guys that used to work at Apple, keep that in mind[03:14:01] * JonathanThompson founds a lost company[03:14:26] <Duggan> ddew|bofh I personally can't agree, citing some stability and driver issues, but I'm still impressed.... its getting better all the time[03:14:36] <Duggan> JonathanThompson dude[03:14:44] <JonathanThompson> :P[03:14:51] <Duggan> thats awesome[03:14:57] <JonathanThompson> Better than losing a found company ;)[03:15:14] <Duggan> like what Palm did :'([03:15:27] <ddew|bofh> Duggan: it's got a better netstack, better drivers, improved ui etc[03:15:32] <JonathanThompson> All firmly in their own grip.[03:15:43] <JonathanThompson> (The question is, what were they gripping with their Palm?)[03:16:12] <Duggan> the throats of the Be Inc. shareholders?...[03:16:19] <Duggan> or just the management? lol[03:17:19] <Duggan> ddew|bofh I can't say much about the netstack and the ui looks pretty similar but I really can't agree with the drivers part[03:17:41] <Duggan> BeOS *always* worked out of the box for me[03:17:43] <JonathanThompson> Maybe something else? :P[03:18:27] <ddew|bofh> Duggan: how can you not? the drivers are not only as good as beos drivers (and compatible) but we also have the fbsd compat layer, woking ahci and OSS[03:18:35] <Duggan> JonathanThompson if I say "I can't say much about ..." that means I won't argue one way or another because I cannot make an informed argument either way[03:18:52] <Duggan> ddew|bofh none of that matters if it doesn't WORK lol[03:19:12] <ddew|bofh> ahci works, OSS sort of works and the fbsd compat works[03:19:14] <ddew|bofh> :)[03:19:24] <Duggan> like all the problems I've had before getting NIC drivers, and now all the problems I have with the rtl81xx driver and the intel_extreme driver[03:19:51] <Duggan> and from my understanding sound still only half-ass works[03:20:04] <ddew|bofh> the rtl81xx is not complete yet but the intel_extreme driver works flawlessly here[03:20:12] <Duggan> and I don't think anybody ever did anything to fix OpenGL either[03:20:27] <Duggan> intel_extreme flickers at about 7hz[03:20:37] <ddew|bofh> heh, it doesn't here :)[03:20:45] <Duggan> migraine inducing / neuron destroying frequency[03:20:51] <Duggan> it does here lol[03:21:06] <ddew|bofh> i'm using that driver on three different machines without issues[03:21:22] <Duggan> whether it works on yours or not doesn't mean its good if it doesn't work on every card its supposed to work on[03:22:01] <ddew|bofh> of course not, but it working on three different chipsets here and not on yours asks the question of whether your driver was built properly[03:22:48] <Duggan> it came from one of the nightly images and that includes before it was "fixed" as well as afterward[03:23:03] <Duggan> well more than one of, but you get what I'm saying[03:23:27] <Duggan> remember, TODAY is the FIRST damn time I've been able to successfully build the OS from source[03:23:39] <Duggan> and unfortunately only then from within vm[03:23:46] <ddew|bofh> on haiku?[03:23:51] <Duggan> yes[03:24:04] <Duggan> on any OS[03:24:15] <ddew|bofh> funky, i've been building haiku on haiku for months now[03:24:31] <ddew|bofh> maybe it's the knack[03:24:31] <Duggan> first time I tried was on a box with too little ram.... that was before swap support[03:24:49] <Duggan> then my windows box screwed up when I tried to put the HD in it...[03:25:00] <Duggan> now on my laptop which has an rtl8101e[03:25:11] <Duggan> oh and the school only has wireless anyway...[03:26:13] <Duggan> and if you could tell me if the intel_extreme driver is supposed to work for pci\ven_8086&dev_2a02, that'd be great lol[03:26:20] <Duggan> because thats what I've got and it don't work[03:26:50] *** [mark] has joined #haiku[03:27:03] <Duggan> effectively I've been plagued with issues ever since I tried to get involved[03:27:33] <Duggan> NOW the real journey begins as I feebly attempt to delve into the world of driver debugging...[03:29:13] <ddew|bofh> 2a02 should be covered by the intel extreme driver[03:30:07] <Duggan> it kinda does but its pretty buggy...[03:30:32] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28364 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages:[03:30:32] <CIA-60> Updated the Perl optional package. It's still version 5.10.0, but the[03:30:32] <CIA-60> installation has been relocated to /boot/common and socket support is[03:30:32] <CIA-60> enabled.[03:32:24] <ushdf> wow, how long have i been in here![03:32:28] <ushdf> looks like we've been infiltrated[03:32:36] <ushdf> kill the interloper! kill! kill![03:32:40] * ushdf hands out torches[03:33:00] <ddew|bofh> eh?[03:34:39] <Duggan> oh yeah, anybody know where the files for http://www.haiku-os.org/documents/dev/driver_development_presentation_at_waltercon_2006 are?[03:34:46] * JonathanThompson kills ushdf gladly[03:34:54] <Duggan> thank you JonathanThompson[03:34:56] <Duggan> :D[03:34:57] <Duggan> jk[03:35:08] <ushdf> ok so, compared to system 7, let's say[03:35:13] <ushdf> what's different about beos and then haiku?[03:35:15] *** ari2-free has joined #haiku[03:35:27] <Duggan> hey ari2-free[03:35:38] <ari2-free> hi[03:35:53] <Duggan> ushdf never used system 7, couldn't tell you[03:36:12] <ddew|bofh> well to begin with beos is multitasking[03:36:20] <ushdf> :)[03:36:21] <ddew|bofh> and extremely multithreaded[03:36:28] <ushdf> :O[03:37:42] <ushdf> keep going[03:38:07] <Duggan> are there any modern consumer desktops running on PPC or are those all legacy?[03:38:29] <ddew|bofh> wikipedia and google explains it much better than i do and i'm bored with people wanting information spoonfed to them[03:39:00] <ushdf> duggan: linux[03:39:19] <ushdf> well...not consumer, enterprise[03:39:24] <ushdf> nevermind ;)[03:40:43] <Duggan> is there such a thing as an "enterprise desktop"? lol[03:40:52] <ari2-free> ummm yes[03:41:34] <ari2-free> all those enterprise servers have to serve something[03:41:47] <Duggan> erm yeah... thats why they're called "servers" lol[03:41:55] <Duggan> and they usually run in racks, not on desktops hehe[03:42:06] <ari2-free> right, they serve enterprise desktops[03:42:16] <Duggan> enterprise or commercial?[03:42:45] <ari2-free> corporate desktops are in the enterprise[03:43:40] <Duggan> "you mean those panels that blow up everytime its hit by a micro-meteor?"....... sorry I couldn't help it[03:44:14] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[03:46:40] <ari2-free> make it so :)[03:46:45] <Duggan> engage![03:46:54] <ari2-free> resistance is futile[03:47:19] <Duggan> THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS![03:54:33] <Duggan> I reckon I'm off to get some coffee...[03:54:45] <AlienSoldier> at teenagra[03:55:01] <Duggan> yes, its 10 o'clock[03:55:29] <Duggan> hehe[03:55:34] <Duggan> best time to have coffee :D[03:55:42] <Duggan> after all, I don't have Game AI til 11 tomorrow, why not? :D[03:56:31] <Duggan> anyway, I'll be back shortly..... consider yourself warned, JonathanThompson[03:58:51] <Sikosis> haha ... there are 4 lights eh ? great episode that ...[04:05:44] *** digitalteufel has quit IRC[04:06:03] <CIA-60> threedeyes * r28365 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/ntfs/ (7 files): first changes for new FS API support[04:16:26] *** Koki_java has joined #haiku[04:17:15] *** Duggan has quit IRC[04:17:42] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[04:18:03] <Koki_java> hello folks[04:18:10] <Duggan> greetings[04:18:20] <Koki_java> hey Duggan[04:25:57] <ari2-free> hi[04:26:09] <Duggan> hi[04:29:56] *** umccullough_x has joined #haiku[04:30:09] <Koki_java> hey ari-free & umccullough_x[04:30:14] <umccullough_x> hi Koki_java[04:30:21] <Duggan> hey um[04:30:24] <Duggan> er umccullough lol[04:30:27] <umccullough_x> :)[04:30:47] <Duggan> did you hear the news?[04:30:59] <umccullough_x> which news[04:31:03] <umccullough_x> (guess not)[04:31:04] <ari2-free> what/ ohmigosh[04:31:10] <Duggan> I finally built haiku in haiku today lol[04:31:16] <umccullough_x> :)[04:31:27] <Duggan> dunno if it WORKS, but it well kinda did.... moreso the first time before the kdl the 2nd time...[04:32:43] <Duggan> now if I can find some resources on driver debugging/development, I'll be all set[04:32:52] <Duggan> anything else I can help with til then?[04:33:41] <ari2-free> hey...haiku is still not on scan.coverity.com?[04:34:39] <Duggan> erm wtf.... just got a kdl on boot in vm[04:36:31] <Duggan> erm ok, happened again...[04:36:47] <Duggan> whats a good place to post a screenshot? for free? without having to sign up? lol[04:38:21] <umccullough_x> ari2-free, they're exceptionally slow about updating that web page[04:39:17] <ari2-free> yeah. but haiku is on the system right[04:40:23] <umccullough_x> yep[04:40:33] <umccullough_x> note, reactos is missing from that list as well[04:42:37] <umccullough_x> http://www.reactos.org/en/newsletter_47.html#sec2[04:42:52] *** thotypous has quit IRC[04:43:44] <umccullough_x> i should probably do some kind of status post about it ...[04:43:49] <umccullough_x> but i've been pretty busy :([04:46:05] <ari2-free> yeah it's good they mention coverity[04:47:27] <umccullough_x> looks like the ROS guys nailed like 500 issues by fixing a single issue[04:47:53] <umccullough_x> er, 500 reported issues as a result of a single function or macro that was shared[04:48:45] <ari2-free> lemme see[04:49:44] <Koki_java> umccullough_x, you are becoming "coverity"-famous :)[04:49:50] <umccullough_x> i believe it was patch 37001[04:49:55] <umccullough_x> Koki_java, ;)[04:50:10] <umccullough_x> doesn't hurt to spread the wealth around a bit ;)[04:51:12] <Koki_java> umccullough_x, you sound like Obama :P[04:51:14] <Duggan> umccullough's been the voice of Haiku since well before I've tried to be involved...[04:51:34] <Duggan> you been with the project from the source I assume, umccullough?[04:52:15] <Duggan> er start?....[04:52:30] <Duggan> start, source.... whats the difference[04:53:44] <AlienSoldier> Duggan when i played with driver, only the kernel working printf (forgot the right name) was needed.[04:54:23] <AlienSoldier> kprintf perhaps, been a while[04:54:45] <AlienSoldier> don't even know if it's like that now, thios was on R5[04:54:48] <AlienSoldier> *this[04:57:15] <ari2-free> "I'm a mac." "I'm a PC." "I'm a Haiku http://www.haiku-os.org/files/CharlieBrightEyes.jpg[04:57:42] <Duggan> AlienSoldier ok cool thanks[04:58:04] <AlienSoldier> just be sure to have a serial debug pc around[04:58:34] <ari2-free> Haiku, the OS you can have a beer with[04:59:08] <Duggan> rofl, is that already somebody's motto? if not, Haiku REALLY should adopt it![04:59:46] <ari2-free> ya I made it up[05:00:01] <Koki_java> omg, we are screwed... maradona has been confirmed as coach for Argentina's national soccer team... :/[05:00:33] <ari2-free> not some stuffy guy in a suit. not some obnoxious pretentious jerk[05:00:45] <Duggan> ok yeah Haiku needs to adopt that, somebody (umccullough?) please post that somewhere official :P lol[05:01:42] <AlienSoldier> when i watch soccer, abstracting all the fame and commentator around it, it look a lot like molecular random movement. That probably explain the relatively low score of most match.[05:02:05] <Duggan> lol[05:02:29] <AlienSoldier> it's like politician, remove them and nothing change[05:05:09] <ari2-free> imagine watching soccer with no announcers or screaming fans[05:05:26] <Duggan> it'd be exactly like it was before hand[05:05:28] <ari2-free> admit it. it's boring :)[05:05:32] <Duggan> excruciatingly boring.[05:06:50] <Duggan> gonna run for a bit again[05:06:53] <Duggan> l8r guys[05:11:07] *** xxploit has quit IRC[05:11:41] <Koki_java> ari-free, the atmosphere is part of the game :)[05:12:20] <Koki_java> it's like the sound track of a movie[05:14:24] <ari2-free> yeah like John Williams in the star wars prequels. great music![05:16:24] *** Duggan has quit IRC[05:21:37] *** xxploit has joined #haiku[05:29:38] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[05:39:51] *** Duggan has quit IRC[06:01:01] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[06:15:18] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[06:15:37] <Duggan> greetings... again[06:15:49] <Koki_java> wb[06:15:53] <Duggan> danke[06:17:18] <Koki_java> de nada[06:33:55] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[07:02:47] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[07:10:53] *** M_199 has joined #haiku[07:15:47] *** Master199 has quit IRC[07:18:19] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[07:18:36] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[07:54:39] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[08:01:26] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[08:04:39] *** hdanak has quit IRC[08:05:17] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[08:08:05] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[08:08:07] *** hdana1 has joined #haiku[08:11:12] *** Koki_java has quit IRC[08:12:49] *** xxploit has quit IRC[08:13:29] *** xxploit has joined #haiku[08:17:59] *** ushdf has quit IRC[08:24:08] <Duggan> why am I always the last to know about things like this lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J41MIFllX8M gj umccullough... I can tell that was the 3rd day hehe[08:28:28] *** sprma has joined #haiku[08:31:39] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[08:34:00] <ari2-free> wow that was a while ago. i wish begeistert was on youtube[08:38:28] *** redb1ue has joined #haiku[08:39:28] *** redblue has quit IRC[08:45:11] *** [JT] has quit IRC[08:47:18] *** ddew|bofh has quit IRC[08:49:27] *** tolimanB has quit IRC[08:53:22] *** stargater has joined #haiku[08:54:29] *** stargater has quit IRC[08:54:40] *** Duggan has quit IRC[08:57:48] *** hdanak has quit IRC[09:00:31] *** redb1ue is now known as redblue[09:01:05] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28366 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/HaikuImage: Added /boot/common/{bin,include,lib} directories to image.[09:04:49] *** Stefan100 has joined #haiku[09:23:41] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[09:30:36] *** Monni_ has joined #Haiku[09:31:32] *** A-v-S has quit IRC[09:31:41] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[09:32:49] *** Monni_ has quit IRC[09:33:40] *** giszo_ is now known as giszo[09:33:54] *** Monni_ has joined #Haiku[09:44:30] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[09:44:34] <Hugen> hi all[09:47:47] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[09:48:30] *** Hugen has quit IRC[10:09:59] <MrSunshine__> has the rtl driver become anymore stable ?[10:18:45] <Monni_> since what?[10:21:09] <Monni_> not to mention there is several rtl drivers...[10:23:49] *** leszek_fh has joined #haiku[10:24:02] <leszek_fh> re[10:29:40] <MrSunshine__> rtl8139[10:29:46] <MrSunshine__> the one that crashes all the time[10:32:42] *** [JT] has joined #haiku[10:34:52] <leszek_fh> MrSunshine__, rtl8139 has been fixed[10:34:58] <MrSunshine__> ohh :)[10:35:05] <leszek_fh> with build r27771[10:37:37] <MrSunshine__> coolio :)[10:38:56] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[10:45:57] *** aldeck has joined #Haiku[10:47:34] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[10:51:49] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[10:54:12] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[10:54:23] *** Arafangion has joined #haiku[10:55:25] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[10:55:32] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[10:56:26] <MrSunshine__> don't know how to make HAIKU logo - white on blue - small.png[10:56:51] <leszek_fh> ?[10:57:15] <MrSunshine__> when building haiku-image[10:57:21] *** sprma has quit IRC[10:57:22] <MrSunshine__> i get that and it cant make the image thanks to that[10:57:42] <leszek_fh> lol[10:57:46] <leszek_fh> maybe a bug[10:59:34] <MrSunshine__> just commented it out in HaikuImage :P[11:08:04] *** sprma has joined #haiku[11:08:18] <MrSunshine__> btw, any work on a wlan stack yet? :)[11:11:19] *** Andrius has quit IRC[11:11:47] *** sprma has quit IRC[11:14:09] *** paul0 has quit IRC[11:14:27] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[11:16:10] *** MrSunshine__ has quit IRC[11:23:21] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[11:26:23] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[11:26:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[11:36:04] <mmu_man> hmmm 4 articles about Windows7 on osnews[11:36:14] <mmu_man> are they getting paid to do PR or ??[11:36:19] <Teknomancer> boring stuff[11:36:49] <Teknomancer> hehe, probably[11:36:53] <leszek_fh> windows 7 is boring :P[11:39:06] <HeTo> well it's quite a major operating system[11:39:18] <HeTo> and it's OSnews as in Operating System news[11:40:08] <Teknomancer> bah, a news site dedicated to OS should be more l33t ;)[11:45:39] *** paul0 has quit IRC[11:49:43] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[11:49:56] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[12:02:23] *** HaikuMonni has joined #Haiku[12:13:37] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[12:17:32] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[12:25:33] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[12:31:20] *** vmlemon_ has joined #haiku[12:34:53] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[12:43:49] *** Monni has quit IRC[12:43:55] *** Monni_ is now known as Monni[12:46:54] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[12:49:49] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[12:58:12] *** leszek_fh has quit IRC[13:02:11] *** nvmd has joined #haiku[13:03:17] *** witukind has joined #haiku[13:04:44] *** sprma has joined #haiku[13:05:03] *** sprma has quit IRC[13:05:59] *** nvmd has left #haiku[13:13:56] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[13:22:02] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[13:22:42] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[13:54:57] <Teknomancer> anyone know when the first official Haiku release will be around? (alpha?)[14:00:47] *** Arafangion has quit IRC[14:08:07] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[14:08:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[14:15:20] <thotypous> plop![14:15:42] <Monni> klus![14:16:17] <Monni> Teknomancer: That depends on when rest of the blocking bugs have been fixed ;)[14:17:14] <Teknomancer> Monni: oh, how many blockers are there ?[14:17:22] <Teknomancer> i hope the BFS corruptions are gone? :)[14:17:25] <Monni> Teknomancer: not many[14:17:49] <VinDuv> http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/R1/AlphaStatus#Blockerissues[14:18:10] <Teknomancer> thanks[14:18:19] <Monni> 7[14:19:35] <mmu_man> plop[14:19:39] <Monni> some of the critical bugs can still change to blocker issues, so it can be anything between 7 and 12 ;)[14:20:21] <HeTo> http://www.flickr.com/photos/12629882@N05/2984032016/[14:26:18] <Monni> almost as fun as my first case at work... electrician did wire data cables inside walls of 3-story building and we had to rip off every wall because there was bad signal somewhere in between ;)[14:28:22] <Monni> or when I was supposed to diagnose regular ADSL connection and signal was found in center of a wooden table... I guess that was new definition for wireless internet ;)[14:34:49] <mmu_man> lol[14:41:07] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[14:41:36] * JonathanThompson poits DeadYak[14:42:40] <DeadYak> JonathanThompson: you're up early[14:42:55] <JonathanThompson> It's only 6:44 a.m. locally.[14:43:09] <JonathanThompson> So, not really, since my TV is set to turn on at 7.[14:43:23] <JonathanThompson> It was either that, or do something I really didn't want to do.[14:43:50] <Monni> eat breakfast? ;)[14:44:15] <JonathanThompson> Though I'll note that in the last bit of dream before I woke up, I was somehow singing my own mutation of "Joy to the World"[14:44:25] <Monni> lol[14:44:38] <JonathanThompson> Well, I admit, I had no intentions of eating breakfast in bed while being asleep :)[14:45:04] <DeadYak> hah[14:45:13] <Monni> I've done that once... was not very good idea...[14:45:58] * JonathanThompson notes it could be rather messy if a cannibal has breakfast in bed, and wonders how often they sleep together and if they eye their partners warily[14:46:19] <Monni> I did try to bite my own knee without opening my mouth... that was a nice mess...[14:47:05] <JonathanThompson> DeadYak:, imagine if someone gave me truth serum, hoping to get the real me, thinking I was putting on an act ;)[14:48:16] <Ingenu> you're not sane[14:48:31] <DeadYak> sanity is subjective :)[14:48:40] <JonathanThompson> What is sanity?[14:48:40] <Ingenu> is it ?[14:49:01] <JonathanThompson> If you're always self-consistent, that's a good step towards the definition of sanity.[14:49:29] <JonathanThompson> Granted, some people are rather consistently mistaken or wrong.[14:49:34] <Monni> bi-polarism is more fun...[14:50:02] * JonathanThompson imagines the lyrics of the song (Billy Joel?) being sung, "Why do I always go to extremes?"[14:50:16] <JonathanThompson> Monni: it has its ups and downs.[14:50:24] <HeTo> http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Real[14:50:25] <Monni> yeah....[14:50:47] <HeTo> I seem to be in a linking mood today :-)[14:51:01] <JonathanThompson> So, are you the missing link?[14:51:27] <Monni> JonathanThompson: In my previous job they had trouble checking employees because normal FST did show nothing... they had to test blood to make sure people were capable to normal work...[14:51:43] <JonathanThompson> FST?[14:51:50] <Monni> field sobriety test[14:52:27] <JonathanThompson> Having never had one, and not involved in such a thing everyday, I couldn't immediately decipher from the context what FST stood for :)[14:52:56] <Monni> it's the test where you dig you nose and then try to walk straight ;)[14:53:17] <Ingenu> weird[14:53:33] * Teknomancer throws something for a change at JonathanThompson[14:53:46] * JonathanThompson catches it and returns it in electronic currency[14:53:54] *** rsanches has joined #haiku[14:54:08] * Teknomancer prints return code as 0.[14:54:19] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[14:55:15] <Ingenu> you're on the east cost of the USA JonathanThompson ?[14:55:27] <JonathanThompson> West coast.[14:55:29] *** redblue has quit IRC[14:56:05] <Ingenu> west cost is only 8 hours less than here... I expected more[14:56:19] *** sprma has joined #haiku[14:56:51] <JonathanThompson> Sorry to disappoint you with the sad facts of reality ;)[14:57:09] <Ingenu> reality is not nice enough[14:57:17] <Ingenu> let's invent surreality[14:57:21] <JonathanThompson> Sometimes, it's not mean enough to many.[14:57:38] <JonathanThompson> If in doubt, I point to the mortgage mess.[14:58:25] <JonathanThompson> A bit of meanness earlier would have made things not nearly as mean as they're likely to get, at least for those that don't deserve it.[14:58:42] <HeTo> Ingenu: you didn't read my link, did you? Reality is not real.[14:58:49] <JonathanThompson> For those that knowingly bit off more than they could afford, I have zero sympathy.[14:58:51] <HeTo> surreality isn't real, either[14:59:03] * JonathanThompson wants missreality[14:59:15] <Ingenu> hyperreality[14:59:26] <Monni> neoreality ;)[14:59:31] <JonathanThompson> And is the opposite of that calmreality?[14:59:31] <HeTo> missreality and hyperreality aren't real[14:59:36] <Ingenu> enhanced reality could be nice too ^^[14:59:46] * HeTo thinks talking on this channel got quite a lot easier just now[14:59:53] <JonathanThompson> Depends on what they enhance :P[15:00:00] <HeTo> except this channel isn't real[15:00:18] <JonathanThompson> Right: it's all just a figment of my overactive imagination...[15:00:19] <Ingenu> they enhance penis size[15:00:29] <JonathanThompson> But since I'm not real, it doesn't matter, right?[15:00:29] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC[15:00:32] <HeTo> your imagination isn't real[15:00:32] <Ingenu> according to the emails I get it's the #1 problem in the world[15:00:57] <JonathanThompson> So does that mean too small of a butt is the #2 problem in the world?[15:01:15] <HeTo> JonathanThompson: of course you're not real, but I'm not real either, so can you really know?[15:01:17] <Teknomancer> rolex replicas are #2.[15:01:17] <Ingenu> no, problem #2 are errection issues[15:01:22] <Ingenu> just read your emails ![15:01:23] <Ingenu> ;p[15:01:33] <JonathanThompson> You'd think that by watching american TV commercials these days.[15:01:48] <JonathanThompson> "But I never knew it could lead to erectile dysfunction!"[15:02:50] <JonathanThompson> I'm thinking of writing to all broadcasters of any channels I watch regularly, telling them I'm not going to watch anymore of their stuff, if they keep on showing those annoying commercials.[15:02:53] <Monni> we've got gay kit commercials in public TV channels nowadays...[15:03:10] <JonathanThompson> If they really need to show those to pay the bills, the programming clearly isn't popular enough.[15:03:33] <JonathanThompson> In the Seattle area, we've got "Men Seeking Men" commercials, a dating service.[15:03:46] <JonathanThompson> If that's what you mean by gay...[15:04:24] <Monni> kits that can make you look like "proper" homosexual person ;)[15:04:36] <JonathanThompson> Huh...[15:04:59] <JonathanThompson> And what, precisely, does a "proper" homosexual look like?[15:05:15] <JonathanThompson> For all I know, I have a bunch around me at work![15:05:34] <JonathanThompson> (I already know one of my apartment management is lesbian, very clearly stated by her once)[15:05:40] <JonathanThompson> <shrug>[15:06:08] <JonathanThompson> No point in me getting too worried about it all.[15:06:14] <Monni> in the commercial it has a shirt that says "Pappa betalar" which is Swedish for "Father pays"...[15:06:18] <JonathanThompson> It's not like I have a chance of changing it.[15:07:17] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[15:07:50] <Monni> Finnish people have stereotype that all Swedish speaking people are gay...[15:07:55] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[15:08:42] * JonathanThompson hopes Monni isn't a typical Finnish person, as that'd be a bad overall typical[15:08:56] *** Animal-X has joined #haiku[15:09:08] <Monni> JonathanThompson: I'm pretty sure I'm far from typical... My father is Swedish speaking ;)[15:09:23] <JonathanThompson> Typically atypical? :)[15:10:06] <Monni> Finnish-Born Livonian... taking account there is only 10 native Livonians left, being part Livonian is pretty uncommon...[15:10:15] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[15:10:29] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[15:10:34] * JonathanThompson has been to Livonia - a suburb of Detroit, Michigan[15:10:51] <JonathanThompson> I think there's a lot more than 10 native Livonians left ;)[15:11:15] <Monni> last counting was few weeks ago... last year there was 30[15:11:28] <JonathanThompson> I vote we just finish them all off :P[15:12:52] <Monni> as long as there is atleast one Livonian male and one Livonian female there is possibility that it will survive ;)[15:13:15] <JonathanThompson> Depends on the male and female in question :P[15:13:45] <Monni> true...[15:13:53] <JonathanThompson> Of course, if they get human cloning perfected...[15:14:05] * JonathanThompson imagines "War of the Livonian Clones"[15:15:11] <Monni> if they would make a movie about that.... We might have to borrow Natalie Portman as lead actress.... Just to make sure it looks like Star Wars parody...[15:15:22] * JonathanThompson accidentally found a website that allows you to sketch in text-sized pixels in black on white[15:16:42] <JonathanThompson> What's US politics coming to, when a presidential candidate is using infomercials?[15:16:48] <JonathanThompson> <sigh>[15:17:09] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[15:17:59] *** quinq has quit IRC[15:19:41] <Monni> few more years and Disney will buy whole America if Chinks don't do it before...[15:28:30] *** Monni has quit IRC[15:28:30] *** quinq has joined #haiku[15:32:46] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[15:38:48] *** Monni has joined #Haiku[15:39:31] *** judgen has joined #haiku[15:40:49] *** hdana1 has quit IRC[15:52:58] *** umccullough_x has quit IRC[16:06:04] *** leszek has joined #haiku[16:06:20] <leszek> re[16:09:30] <judgen> Sweden does it again... to boost export we devaule the currency against the dollar....[16:09:53] <judgen> how sad, now i cant buy cheap stuff from abroad.. have to pay alot more than a few weeks ago[16:11:10] <judgen> before it was about 5SEK for a dollar, now its almost 8[16:12:36] <judgen> its brilliant use of the sovereign currency in one way, but still sucks for me as the little guy. Guess thats why we voted no on the euro.[16:12:48] <judgen> =P[16:13:01] <MindChild> The dollar is strengthaning too[16:13:06] <thebolt> it never was down to 5.. and its not really sek that is dropping[16:13:15] <thebolt> its the usd strengthening[16:13:16] <judgen> yeah but the dollar hasnt gone up by 100%[16:13:41] <thebolt> judgen: no, but SEK/EURO just changed a few percent and alot less than sek/usd[16:13:42] <judgen> 5,59: was the lowest i think[16:14:05] <thebolt> 5.90 is lowest i find..[16:14:14] <judgen> well soon the SEK will drop to 10 per dollar...[16:14:21] <judgen> thebolt ok[16:14:32] <thebolt> (and now its 8:05)[16:14:40] <thebolt> and it definitely affect me more than you ;)[16:14:47] <thebolt> so i am very much not happy about it either[16:15:01] <judgen> but the mining giants and the power companies love it.[16:15:05] <thebolt> (i have all my money in SEK, but all my costs in TWD which is pretty closely tied to USD)[16:15:13] <judgen> now they get more doe for the same exports[16:15:36] <thebolt> well, power companies in sweden trade mostly in euro i think[16:15:54] <judgen> thebolt true, but the SEK is dropping against the euro too...[16:15:57] <judgen> and even more so soon[16:16:07] <thebolt> sure, but not close to as much as against dollar[16:16:16] <judgen> also true[16:16:41] <judgen> Vattenfall is happy as hell, and so is LKAB and SSAB.[16:17:36] <judgen> The dollar might crash though when (if ever) that bailout money that is made up out of thin air comes into circulation around the world.[16:18:37] <judgen> or if the forregin countries like china, japan and india cashes in their dollar reserves[16:19:45] <judgen> but that is unlikely to happen unless the US pisses them off majorly, wich i have a really hard time believing.[16:20:57] <Monni> SEK has been stronger than before so it's normal for it to get weaker... It should stay around 9.91 SEK per EUR and USD should be around 0.67 EUR for it to be on same level[16:20:58] <MindChild> The dollar is getting stronger, because of the credit collapse. There is no longer unbacked credit contributing to the inflated value[16:21:03] <MindChild> it is becoming more solid[16:21:08] <xcasex> judgen: me 2. but then again i work for Vattenfall :p[16:21:19] <MindChild> just people have less[16:21:38] <judgen> xcasex In what division?[16:21:47] *** Player1 has joined #haiku[16:21:53] <xcasex> VBSN/VSS[16:22:24] <xcasex> but my group is a bastardisation of four diff. bussiness units.[16:22:51][16:23:22] <xcasex> judgen: till viss del, nya 24h strömavbrotts bla bla[16:23:51] <judgen> ok[16:23:59] <judgen> ser att dom letar chefer till VBSN[16:24:08] <xcasex> judgen: låter lite som du själv jobbar för vattenfall :)[16:24:14][16:24:36] <xcasex> kommer det någonsin en gruppchefs position för nätverk eller it stödet kommer jag att söka den.[16:24:41] <judgen> xcasex har gjort, nu jobbar jag innom massaindustrin[16:24:43] <xcasex> har tillräckligt med solid ledarskapsutb. för det[16:24:48] <xcasex> judgen: där ser man :D[16:25:09][16:25:41] <xcasex> judgen: umeå :)[16:25:51] <xcasex> så vi delar kontor med, KS![16:26:26][16:27:05] <judgen> Satte in nya spetsmatare[16:27:40] <xcasex> på "linerboard" haha, härligt :)[16:27:47] <xcasex> så vad är ditt intresse i haiku ?[16:30:57][16:32:07] <xcasex> coolt :)[16:32:17][16:33:01] <xcasex> använt beos till och från sedan 99-00, och gillar haiku mkt pga progressiviteten.[16:33:03][16:33:08] <xcasex> yes :)[16:33:17] <thebolt> heh, maybe you should switch to english.. i understand you.. others don't ;)[16:33:23] <judgen> No problems[16:33:23] <xcasex> yeah ;)[16:35:03] <Player1> viggen[16:35:09] <Player1> theres my swedish contribution[16:35:11] <Player1> :S[16:35:18] <Player1> it means thunderbolt right?[16:35:23] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[16:36:10] *** Animal-X has joined #haiku[16:43:24] *** [JT] has quit IRC[16:55:23] *** sprma_ has joined #haiku[16:58:42] <judgen> Player1 means bolt[16:58:54][16:59:00][16:59:58] <judgen> xcasex what do you think of the nick sprma =)[17:00:45] <judgen> I am a bit drunk, but that sounds funny to me in swedish[17:01:33] <xcasex> its very funny ;)[17:01:34] <judgen> brb reboot[17:01:42] *** judgen has quit IRC[17:05:49] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[17:06:44] *** sprma has quit IRC[17:06:57] <Duggan> greetings all[17:07:02] *** judgen has joined #haiku[17:09:00] <Teknomancer> hi[17:12:17] *** boh666 has joined #haiku[17:16:49] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[17:24:20] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[17:32:11] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[17:33:40] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[17:34:11] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[17:34:30] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[17:34:54] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[17:37:54] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[17:37:55] *** adb_ has quit IRC[17:37:55] *** boh666 has quit IRC[17:37:55] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[17:37:55] *** markos_ has quit IRC[17:37:55] *** Nies has quit IRC[17:39:48] *** boh666 has joined #haiku[17:39:48] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[17:39:48] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[17:39:48] *** cherrypie has joined 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i was hoping more[19:02:47] <AlienSoldier> i wonder what the chipset is. can't find that anywere (nic etc...)[19:03:17] *** Monni has joined #Haiku[19:04:23] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[19:11:24] <helf> best crib ever[19:11:33] <helf> 8-7-7-7 with an 8 cut[19:11:35] <helf> :D[19:11:42] * helf has been playing cribbage[19:11:45] <DeadYak> huh?[19:11:46] <DeadYak> oh[19:12:25] *** soapdog has quit IRC[19:13:06] <helf> 20 points[19:16:58] *** rsanches has quit IRC[19:20:05] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[19:20:09] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[19:21:38] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[19:25:15] *** korli has joined #haiku[19:25:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[19:26:02] *** markos_ has quit IRC[19:27:15] *** HaikuMonni has quit IRC[19:27:17] *** HaikuMonni has joined #Haiku[19:28:23] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[19:37:13] <mmu_man> http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=757&thold=0&mode=0&order=0[19:37:20] <mmu_man> couldn't resists :)[19:37:23] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[19:38:49] <CIA-60> korli * r28367 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/ColumnListView.cpp: remove debug output[19:41:49] *** Animal-X has joined #haiku[19:44:56] *** vmlemon_ has joined #haiku[19:48:46] *** luroh has joined #haiku[19:49:09] *** boh666 has quit IRC[19:54:06] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[19:59:27] *** andguent has joined #haiku[20:02:50] *** Guma has joined #haiku[20:04:16] *** idefix_xifedi has quit IRC[20:06:48] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[20:08:26] *** pyCube has quit IRC[20:09:08] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[20:09:37] <Begasus> evening peeps[20:09:53] <Teknomancer> hi Begasus[20:12:11] <Begasus> hi Teknomancer ;)[20:17:58] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[20:19:43] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC[20:26:30] *** dos4 has joined #haiku[20:26:52] *** Dane_ has joined #Haiku[20:27:11] *** Corrupt_Packet has quit IRC[20:28:30] *** Guma has quit IRC[20:43:39] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[20:44:21] *** Barrett666_ has joined #haiku[20:45:22] *** Barrett666_ has quit IRC[20:47:07] *** Barrett666_ has joined #haiku[20:47:39] *** Barrett666_ has quit IRC[20:48:50] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[20:54:54] <Monni> klus[20:57:52] *** Barrett666_ has joined #haiku[20:58:27] *** JDarkness__ has joined #haiku[21:02:10] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[21:08:58] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[21:15:56] *** Barrett666_ has quit IRC[21:27:56] *** vbmithr has quit IRC[21:29:24] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[21:35:13] *** tigerdog has joined #haiku[21:35:23] * DeadYak pets tigerdog[21:36:09] * tigerdog wags tail at DeadYak, barks hello[21:38:22] *** JDarkness__ has quit IRC[21:38:35] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[21:38:35] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[21:38:47] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[21:45:05] *** tigerdog has quit IRC[21:45:14] *** tigerdog has joined #haiku[21:48:09] <tigerdog> well, I figured out why I had trouble with Haiku in VESA mode[21:49:16] <tigerdog> I installed a wifi card, not used under Haiku or BeOS[21:49:44] <tigerdog> system assigned same IRQ as video card with no ready way of reassigning (no free slots, limited mobo)[21:50:15] <tigerdog> maybe someone can confirm, but it seems if you select (use safe mode video) the video IRQ is ignored[21:50:16] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[21:51:24] <tigerdog> but if not, even in VESA mode the IRQ is used. since there was no driver for the wifi card and its IRQ conflicted, the system became unresponsive[21:51:42] <tigerdog> does this make sense to anyone?[21:56:14] <DeadYak> it's possible something's not gracefully handling interrupt sharing there[21:56:38] *** vbmithr has joined #haiku[21:56:39] <dos4> no, makes no sense. good night[21:56:50] <DeadYak> night dos4[21:57:06] <Duggan> sounds like this might have something to do with my video problems?[21:57:13] <dos4> when there is no driver, device shout be passive anyway[21:57:16] *** BuildFactory has joined #haiku[21:57:30] *** dos4 has quit IRC[22:02:02] <tigerdog> DeadYak: I agree - something is not handling interrupts gracefully.[22:02:13] <tigerdog> DeadYak: for now, I've removed the offending wifi card[22:04:32] *** HaikuMonni has quit IRC[22:04:32] *** tigerdog has quit IRC[22:04:40] *** HaikuMonni has joined #Haiku[22:04:50] *** tigerdog has joined #haiku[22:05:51] <tigerdog> sorry - system keeps restarting[22:06:06] <DeadYak> np[22:08:21] <tigerdog> Duggan: Do I remember correctly that you also have nVidia graphics troubles?[22:09:17] <Duggan> no, intel[22:09:26] <tigerdog> oh, sorry[22:09:41] *** somnambulant has joined #haiku[22:09:53] <Duggan> flashes at a very low rate.... about 10hz[22:09:57] <Duggan> if even that[22:10:27] <tigerdog> does the entire system seem slow or just graphics display?[22:10:34] <Duggan> is there any way to turn backbuffering off for the desktop?[22:10:39] <Duggan> appears to be just the graphics[22:10:51] <tigerdog> ok, not related to my issue then[22:10:51] <Duggan> but I cant use it long enough totell[22:11:03] <Duggan> incredibly headache inducing[22:11:37] <tigerdog> are you using Intel driver, VESA driver or does it happen with both?[22:11:50] <Duggan> just happens with intel driver, vesa driver appears to be fine[22:13:08] <tigerdog> Do you invoke VESA using "spacebar/use safe mode video" during startup?[22:13:29] <Duggan> yep[22:13:44] <tigerdog> mine was fine that way, too, but VESA during normal boot was not.[22:13:48] <somnambulant> will haiku run on... say an old IBM/Cyrix 150mhz machine?[22:14:44] <Duggan> how do you know it was using the vesa driver?[22:15:07] <tigerdog> somnambulant: I've never tried with a Cyrix CPU. had trouble on an old AMD K6 though.[22:15:14] *** thotypous has quit IRC[22:15:27] <somnambulant> tigerdog, ok thanks[22:15:32] *** andguent has quit IRC[22:15:41] <Duggan> its always worth a shot, right?[22:15:47] <somnambulant> tigerdog, how much ram did you have on that? I've got 256 on this one..[22:16:00] <tigerdog> Duggan: do you have a settings file /boot/home/config/settings/kernel/drivers/vesa?[22:16:02] <Duggan> 256 runs it fine[22:16:21] <Duggan> tigerdog don't know right now, in windows lol[22:16:49] * tigerdog is building a BONE version of Firefox with new NSPR for testing under Haiku[22:17:31] <somnambulant> I never used beOS.. but the Haiku interface looks very attractive..[22:17:58] <Duggan> haiku's interface is almost completely taken from the BeOS[22:18:26] <somnambulant> and I was pretty impressed by that youtube video with haiku under heavy load (about 5 or 6 video players playing)[22:18:43] <tigerdog> Duggan: no problem. if it's there, I *think* the system will try to start in accelerated VESA mode. If you have the same trouble as with the Intel driver, then you could well have and interrupt issue.[22:19:02] <Duggan> I ran 9 mp3's simultaneously in BeOS on a 300mhz machine with no skipping and virtually no system lag[22:19:26] <somnambulant> wow-- what does that say about haiku?[22:19:30] <Duggan> tigerdog ok thanks, I'll look into it next time I reboot, thank you very much[22:20:30] <somnambulant> ok guys- Imight have to give it a shot.. would be fun if it actually installed on this old thing[22:20:39] <Duggan> good luck :)[22:20:40] <tigerdog> somnambulant: the performance is addicting[22:21:00] <tqh> mmu_man, nice comment :)[22:21:02] <somnambulant> so far the only thing i've been able to install on it have been dsl and netbsd..[22:21:02] <tigerdog> somnambulant: let us know if it works[22:21:08] <somnambulant> ok[22:21:13] <mmu_man> tqh thx[22:21:24] <mmu_man> couldn't help but register just for that :p[22:21:24] <Duggan> greetings tqh, mmu_man[22:21:36] <tqh> although I think it may not be very appriciated :)[22:21:38] <tigerdog> hello tqh[22:21:47] <tqh> hi everybody :)[22:21:53] <mmu_man> tqh just like truth everywhere[22:21:59] <Duggan> I found a facebook group for Haiku last night lol[22:22:04] <Duggan> so of course I joined...[22:22:07] * tigerdog missed mmu_man's comment. must have been juicy![22:22:13] <CIA-60> stippi * r28368 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/input/usb_hid/ (HIDDevice.cpp KeyboardDevice.cpp KeyboardDevice.h): (log message trimmed)[22:22:13] <CIA-60> Several problems prevented USB HIDs to be opened, closed and reopened:[22:22:13] <CIA-60> * The first problem was introduced by myself, when I added deleting the[22:22:13] <CIA-60> transfer semaphore in HIDDevice::Close(). Obviously, I should (re)create it[22:22:15] <CIA-60> in Open() then, or it won't work another time. (Open() is now the only place[22:22:17] <CIA-60> where it's created.)[22:22:19] <CIA-60> * The second problem was when transfers have already been scheduled the[22:22:21] <mmu_man> Would The Internet Exist Without Linux? < YATS Yet Another Troll Subject on OSNews :)[22:22:25] <somnambulant> tigerdog, the graphics server/environment (whatever you guys call it) must use fewer resources than x server right?[22:22:34] <Duggan> lol[22:22:50] <Duggan> maybe, but the internet wouldn't exist without Algore[22:23:00] <Duggan> lol[22:23:04] <tigerdog> somnambulant: I believe a suburban housewife taking one child to school in a Cadillac Escalade uses fewer resources than X[22:23:21] <Duggan> lol tigerdog[22:23:30] <somnambulant> tigerdog, lol ok got it..[22:23:57] <somnambulant> and then X compared to Windows.. :)[22:24:09] <tigerdog> I keep trying to use Xubuntu or some other Linux OS just so as to have flash in my series of tubes, but I can't stand the feel.[22:24:17] <tigerdog> even the xfce environment is too darned slow[22:24:25] <Duggan> sadly enough I'd have to argue on the behalf of Windows in this argument...[22:24:32] <somnambulant> I use Sidux w/xfce.. not bad[22:24:42] <somnambulant> Duggan, really?[22:24:48] <Duggan> yep[22:24:52] <somnambulant> wow[22:24:57] <replaced> mmu_man: hah![22:25:04] <mmu_man> plop[22:25:10] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[22:25:23] <replaced> would the internet exist without php? :P[22:25:34] <mmu_man> tigerdog http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=757[22:26:02] <mmu_man> seems noone answered it yet[22:26:50] <somnambulant> i have to admit though.. there's nothin like the debian repo if you don't like to compile.. :)[22:27:18] <tigerdog> somnambulant: bebits and haikuware will (hopefully someday) come close[22:27:40] <somnambulant> tigerdog, they can't be anywhere close now though eh?[22:27:55] <Duggan> can somebody explain exactly what the build factory is for?[22:28:15] <mmu_man> somnambulant we don't have an automated installer with dependancy handling yet[22:28:28] <mmu_man> usually we just unzip an app and use it and it just works[22:28:40] <mmu_man> and most already come with the OS anyway[22:28:42] <tigerdog> somnambulant: most beos software will run under haiku, but much is quite old. we will lack a contemporary office suite at launch, for instance.[22:28:56] <Duggan> pkg's are awesome lol[22:29:10] <mmu_man> btw, do we still have a maintainer for Abiword ??[22:29:25] <tigerdog> mmu_man, I don't think that's been updated in several years[22:29:31] <somnambulant> interesting[22:29:34] <mmu_man> I recall at one point beos support was about to be dropped[22:29:38] <tigerdog> would be nice - the latest version is quite useable[22:29:47] <mmu_man> tigerdog yT maintained it for a while, before going down[22:29:52] <Duggan> we lost VLC :([22:30:16] <tigerdog> yep, but I don't think they ever actually launched it. Duggan, what happened to VLC?[22:30:25] <mmu_man> Duggan well the old gui was too simple anyway[22:30:42] <Duggan> they dropped support because Haiku wasn't moving to gcc4 fast enough[22:30:44] <mmu_man> tigerdog the old BeOS code doesn't compile anymore anyway[22:31:32] <Duggan> and of course firefox...[22:31:49] <tqh> what about firefox?[22:31:53] <MindChild> BeProductive doesnt work?[22:32:08] <Duggan> 2.0.0.17 was the last "official" port wasn't it?[22:32:12] <somnambulant> a lot of people on the osnews comments on any beos story talk about the "absolute joy of computing" with beos.. what do they mean by that?[22:32:27] <chandler> MindChild: you mean GoBe? hardly competitive anymore[22:32:29] <Duggan> somnambulant the BeOS (and subsequently Haiku) are FUN to use[22:32:37] <tigerdog> MindChild, it works, I think. but that's why I said "contemporary" office suite - GBP is kind of old[22:32:39] <Duggan> they're EASY and reliable and fast[22:32:40] <chandler> now that the sole remaining competition (AppleWorks, nee Claris) is gone :-)[22:32:48] <MindChild> chandler: but does it work?[22:32:49] <tqh> Duggan, no, actually it is up to us.[22:32:51] <MindChild> ok[22:32:59] <Duggan> tqh ok[22:33:19] <tigerdog> Duggan, I'm currently building 2.0.0.18pre every few days and will launch it whenever Mozilla does[22:33:20] <tqh> although without a working Cairo it's no point trying to release Firefox3[22:33:21] <chandler> It should. I should dig up my Gobe 2 disc. Found the version 1 disc the other day...[22:33:38] <Duggan> I thought firefox was >3.0 now?[22:33:43] <chandler> it's probably right next to wherever I stashed my Civ CTP disc :-)[22:33:57] <tigerdog> Duggan: the 2.x branch is being maintained through the end of the year[22:34:02] <Duggan> oh ok[22:34:07] <Duggan> so we have 2 months[22:34:16] <Duggan> I've heard talk of Cairo, but what is it?[22:34:21] <tigerdog> Duggan: all the hooks are still in place to build and tqh has been doing work to prepare for Haiku builds[22:34:26] <somnambulant> alright guys talk to you later.. i'm getting inspired.. I'll let you know if it installs[22:34:30] <tqh> the graphics lib that mozilla forced on everyone.[22:34:32] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[22:34:33] <Duggan> lol good luck somnambulant[22:34:41] <Duggan> oh that sucks...[22:34:45] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[22:34:51] <Duggan> hey thotypous[22:34:54] *** wildur has quit IRC[22:35:04] <tigerdog> Duggan: he's right though, Cairo is the graphics lib at the core of FF3. without it, it's not possible to make a working FFox[22:35:12] <thotypous> hi[22:35:20] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[22:35:34] <mmu_man> tigerdog what's the status onthat btw ?[22:35:42] <ari2-free> they considered AGG at first. that would've worked well if they went with it[22:35:43] <mmu_man> seems swfdec needs it as well[22:35:44] <mmu_man> crap[22:35:46] <tqh> and if it didn't contain some of the ugliest C I ever seen I'd probably work on it.[22:35:58] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[22:36:11] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[22:36:14] <mmu_man> ari2-free yeah WTF did they go cairo instead ?[22:36:22] <mmu_man> besides, its coord system is horendous[22:36:36] <mmu_man> you must add .5 to everything to have sharp drawing I heard[22:36:43] <tigerdog> mmu_man: one of our background contributors (mrmdls) was working on Cairo but I don't think he's ever built one that actuall works.[22:36:44] <Duggan> lol[22:36:46] <ari2-free> i'm not sure...I think it was the promise of hw accel[22:36:48] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[22:36:58] <Duggan> I'll help if I ever get time...[22:36:59] <mmu_man> ari2-free lol, and did they get it ?[22:37:08] <Duggan> just like with fixing these driver problems I'm having...[22:37:30] <ari2-free> http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/tor/archives/2006/04/why_cairo.html[22:37:30] <thotypous> mmu_man, cairo is very slow[22:37:39] <thotypous> when compared to agg[22:37:47] <mmu_man> can't we just make a wrapper ? ;)[22:37:55] <thotypous> it would be better[22:37:58] <thotypous> cairo -> agg wrapper[22:38:23] <tqh> why couldn't the settle for an interface and let us worry about what graphics lib to choose?[22:38:27] <thotypous> "C++ is bad"?!?! but Mozilla is written in C++[22:38:30] <tqh> let's hardcode everything![22:38:33] <Duggan> omg thats so stupid[22:38:34] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[22:38:35] * tigerdog scratches ear with back foot, wonders what agg is[22:38:51] <Duggan> "why cairo? because we're f'n stupid thats why!!!!! :D"[22:38:54] <tqh> tigerdog, a graphics lib, that renders the haiku desktop :)[22:38:57] <ari2-free> agg is anti grain geometry[22:39:07] <mmu_man> thotypous moz in C++ ? oh right[22:39:08] <tigerdog> thank you, tqh[22:39:11] * tigerdog wags tail[22:39:14] <mmu_man> how come Linux devs actually use it ?[22:39:22] <mmu_man> they just hate C++ for no reason[22:39:33] <thotypous> and mozilla is bad-written C++[22:40:05] <ari2-free> "Cairo has PDF/PS output." This seems to be the strongest argument in cairo's favor.[22:40:55] <thotypous> here, with accelerated hardware from Intel, I get cairo at least 30x slower than agg[22:41:00] <ari2-free> you can tell he's trying...[22:42:20] <ari2-free> wonder what webkit uses[22:43:37] <tqh> webkit last time I looked was smart enough to try to write an interface[22:43:40] <thotypous> webkit uses the OS' stuff[22:43:43] <mmu_man> the usual problem with porting things to the BeAPI is it lacks some of the PS model it seems[22:43:55] <thotypous> when you port webkit, you port drawing stuff[22:44:06] <mmu_man> NetSurf uses that, and the current port has drawing issues (off-by-1..)[22:44:47] <mmu_man> also I couldn't finish my native rdesktop port due to all those ROP2 codes from win32 that BView::SetDrawingMode() didn't have[22:44:52] <thotypous> anyway, you can always use google's skia drawing engine with webkit :)[22:44:57] <mmu_man> (invert+clip+things...)[22:45:05] <thotypous> that draws to bitmaps or framebuffers[22:45:23] <ari2-free> chrome has good tech. not crazy about the UI[22:45:24] <mmu_man> what would be nice would be allow tunelling extra modes to AGG[22:45:47] <mmu_man> it seems the Fill*() on BView actually also fill the border while on the PS model it shouldn't do it[22:45:50] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[22:45:54] <thotypous> chrome uses the skia stuff, so android uses it[22:46:04] <tigerdog> ari2-free: I agree. colours are icky, UI seems simple and text is difficult to read, at least here.[22:46:12] <tigerdog> text not crisp[22:46:15] <ari2-free> i want menus[22:46:23] <thotypous> but using BeAPI or AGG would surely be better for Haiku[22:47:00] <thotypous> mmu_man, tunelling to AGG would be nice[22:47:26] <ari2-free> "Google Chrome is more about the mobiles and less about the desktops"[22:48:09] <ari2-free> true. it's not easy to push a new browser even if you're google[22:48:56] <thotypous> http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/external/skia.git;a=tree[22:50:13] <ari2-free> firefox brought out a tremendous marketing campaign[22:51:19] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[22:54:58] *** Begasus has quit IRC[22:57:24] *** petterhj has quit IRC[22:57:29] * mmu_man definitely can't stand git web interface[22:57:29] <somnambulant> do i burn that raw hd image to a cd?[22:57:45] <mmu_man> somnambulant no[22:58:18] <mmu_man> making a bootable CD is a more complex process for now, it requires creating a first el-torito ISO track[22:58:53] <mmu_man> if you build yourself you can actually ask jam to make you one, but I'm not sure it's still working[22:58:58] *** Duggan has quit IRC[22:59:51] *** witukind_ has joined #haiku[23:00:06] <somnambulant> hmm ok- so you copy the image directly to the hd somehow?[23:04:06] <tigerdog> somnambulant: sorry for the deafening silence. :)[23:05:51] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:06:01] <tqh> somnambulant, when building Haiku you can configure the build scripts to write to a partition.[23:07:43] <mmu_man> hmmm[23:07:45] <mmu_man> http://amazon.com/xo[23:08:17] <somnambulant> tqh.. ok thx -- that might be above my pay grade though.. I might have to wait til a beta w/bootable/installable from cd[23:09:14] <tigerdog> somnambulant, do you at least have a spare partition or two on your HD, even if only 2GB or so?[23:10:18] <somnambulant> no but I could make that happen[23:11:35] <tigerdog> I keep one partition, just 2GB, only for Haiku. I keep another working BeOS partition and use it to format the Haiku partition, download a nightly build and copy the files to the Haiku parition.[23:11:36] <tqh> night[23:11:39] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:11:41] <tigerdog> night tqh[23:11:49] <tigerdog> convoluted, but it works[23:12:07] <tigerdog> and since I use BeOS (well, Zeta) as my day-to-day, it's no hardship[23:12:15] <tigerdog> but may be more trouble than you want.[23:12:55] <somnambulant> tigerdog, yeah i think it might be.. :)[23:13:05] <tigerdog> didn't I recently read it's possible to copy one of the nightly build images to a USB drive and boot from that?[23:13:14] <tigerdog> then run the installer?[23:13:51] <tigerdog> maybe my old dog-brain is playing tricks on me again[23:14:11] <somnambulant> wish my machine had usb.. lol[23:14:38] <tigerdog> oh. well then, never mind... :)[23:15:38] <Rakhun> tigerdog: yes that works, except it froze for me when running the installer, seems like any operation on USB drives apart from the one it's running from causes it to freeze[23:16:36] *** witukind has quit IRC[23:16:37] <somnambulant> will haiku mount an nfs drive?[23:16:45] <tigerdog> that's no fun.[23:17:04] * tigerdog was talking to Rakhun[23:17:40] <tigerdog> not sure about nfs. I don't remember reading about it, though.[23:18:06] <Rakhun> hm, froze might be a bad word, it opened the debug console, but I'm clueless about how to make any use of it :)[23:18:20] * tigerdog offers very little real help, it seems.[23:20:47] *** oco has joined #haiku[23:24:07] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[23:26:41] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[23:32:06] <CIA-60> korli * r28369 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/translators/tiff/TIFFTranslator.cpp: added some error output[23:34:08] <mmu_man> somnambulant there is an NFS2 client[23:34:26] <mmu_man> not sure it works atm, it's been converted to the new fs API but probably not tested[23:35:33] <somnambulant> mmu_man, ok cool thx[23:39:29] *** tigerdog has quit IRC[23:39:38] <CIA-60> korli * r28370 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/translators/raw/ (RAW.cpp RAW.h): make sure we support the compression, it could be a tiff image[23:40:44] * mmu_man checking requirements for a port to OLPC...[23:40:57] <mmu_man> they use i586... but OpenFirmware[23:41:07] <mmu_man> would mean some shuffling in the bootloader code[23:41:54] <replaced> any non i386 port planned?[23:42:45] <mmu_man> replaced I'm working on m68k[23:42:53] <mmu_man> ppc needs some fixes[23:42:57] <mmu_man> and there is arm in the pipeline[23:43:01] <replaced> hmm[23:43:07] <replaced> arm sounds very good[23:48:09] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[23:49:42] <CIA-60> korli * r28371 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): supports double clicking column title separator to preferred column size[23:50:00] <oco> in case someone have time, i need support for 8040 in the marvell Yukon driver ;-)[23:50:00] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[23:50:22] <luroh> nice one, korli![23:51:37] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[23:52:56] *** luroh has quit IRC[23:53:57] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[23:53:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis