October 27, 2008 
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October 27, 2008 [00:00:12] <ddew|bofh> if they say they don't they're lying :P[00:00:35] <HeTo> because XP media center edition is based on XP home, and XP tablet edition is based on XP pro[00:00:38] <umccullough> HeTo, yes, media center edition afaict[00:00:46] <HeTo> so it would seem weird to have both[00:00:52] <umccullough> who knows...[00:01:03] <HeTo> and most probably a breach of the XP license[00:01:05] <umccullough> i seem to recall that the tablet extensions can be installed separately[00:01:16] <umccullough> i've seen them downloadable from microsoft[00:01:50] <HeTo> oh, I wonder what the tablet pc edition is for then[00:01:57] <umccullough> anyhow, not my problem, i just gotta clean this crap up :)[00:02:30] <ddew|bofh> which makes it your problem :P[00:02:42] * JonathanThompson uses an oversized cat-stretching device on ddew|bofh[00:02:51] <umccullough> my problem is just making sure AVG finds the baddies ;)[00:02:53] <ddew|bofh> hola JT[00:03:12] <JonathanThompson> Are you making a satisfied meow yet? :)[00:03:31] <ddew|bofh> i'm a fan of making WinPE discs with MacAffee integrated[00:03:43] <ddew|bofh> works wonders on infested slaptops[00:04:00] <ddew|bofh> JonathanThompson: i can go as far as a purr :P[00:04:14] <JonathanThompson> That'll do, pig, that'll do![00:04:20] <ddew|bofh> hehe[00:04:43] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[00:04:48] <umccullough> ah, imagine that...the IE temp files location is loaded with trojans and malware[00:05:07] <umccullough> color me surprised[00:05:22] * JonathanThompson raids a Crayola assembly line to get supplies[00:05:47] <umccullough> AntiSpywareXP2009.exe[00:05:51] <umccullough> i've seen that before ;)[00:05:54] <ddew|bofh> hehe[00:06:04] <ddew|bofh> omfg, star wars mmo?[00:06:20] <umccullough> g[00:06:30] <ddew|bofh> unless it's as crap as sw:g i can wave any social life in the future good bye[00:07:17] * JonathanThompson falls over in shock[00:07:26] <JonathanThompson> You actually have *any* social life now?[00:07:37] <ddew|bofh> i like to pretend i do :P[00:07:40] <JonathanThompson> :P[00:07:55] *** MegafEee|NFS_HP2 is now known as MegafEee[00:07:55] <umccullough> "US Army Sees Twitter As Possible Terrorist "Operation Tool""[00:07:58] <umccullough> lovely[00:08:02] <ddew|bofh> haha[00:08:05] <ddew|bofh> paranoia ftw[00:08:08] <umccullough> omgerz, they might communicate![00:08:19] <JonathanThompson> everything misappropriated can be used for war purposes.[00:08:38] <JonathanThompson> The "mis" part is all depending upon which side you're on.[00:08:46] <ddew|bofh> hell, fluffy bunnies can be used for war purposes[00:08:57] <JonathanThompson> Sure: send them through mine fields![00:09:07] <ddew|bofh> or used as distraction[00:09:14] <umccullough> or...strap bombs to them ;)[00:09:28] <JonathanThompson> (They'll quickly create their own replacements if allowed a bit of fun before most are sent across)[00:09:30] <ddew|bofh> kindergarten kids love them, and while they're distracted you can shoot them in the back[00:09:41] <JonathanThompson> Bouncing Baby Bunny Bombs FTW![00:09:43] <ddew|bofh> saves a lot of ammo[00:09:46] <ddew|bofh> hehe[00:09:54] <JonathanThompson> The rabbits or the kids?[00:10:31] <ddew|bofh> the kids[00:10:41] <ddew|bofh> they're tricky to hit when they're running around[00:11:00] <JonathanThompson> Of course, a funny thing they do in this area is they capture a large number of wild bunnies, have them all neutered/spayed, then they're released into a certain large area park.[00:11:26] <JonathanThompson> There are some things I just can't make up.[00:11:45] <ddew|bofh> wow, why not just let 2 out and they'll populate the place for them in like a week[00:11:51] <ddew|bofh> would save a lot of money :)[00:11:58] <JonathanThompson> I don't know why they don't just hand them out a bunch of condoms like they do to kids these days :P[00:12:20] <zizban> get off my lawn :)[00:13:08] * JonathanThompson imagines a bunch of spayed and neutered VW Rabbits lounging in a large city park[00:15:26] <JonathanThompson> Hopefully, nobody catches them in the act of trying to test their instinctive needs they had before ;)[00:16:34] *** atomozero has quit IRC[00:17:41] *** Franxico has quit IRC[00:36:19] *** MauriceK has quit IRC[00:39:49] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[00:44:15] <erikl> where does the built image end up?[00:44:23] <ddew|bofh> in generated[00:44:34] <erikl> thank you[00:44:40] <ddew|bofh> so trunk/generated/haiku.image[00:50:57] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[00:52:27] *** thotypous has quit IRC[00:52:33] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[01:09:20] *** tgiphil is now known as tgiphil|afk[01:09:35] *** erikl has quit IRC[01:09:50] *** ddew|bofh has quit IRC[01:11:56] *** aldeck has quit IRC[01:12:25] *** erikl has joined #haiku[01:14:28] *** replaced has quit IRC[01:16:31] *** replaced has joined #haiku[01:21:02] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[01:25:09] *** wildur has quit IRC[01:27:45] *** erikl has quit IRC[01:29:08] *** miqlas has quit IRC[01:29:15] *** erikl has joined #haiku[01:34:27] <erikl> umccullough: tried and crashed; found a ticket here -> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/2465[01:40:24] *** redblue has joined #haiku[01:43:24] *** luroh has quit IRC[01:59:45] *** umccullough_x has joined #haiku[02:03:16] *** Stefan100 has quit IRC[02:15:56] *** miqlas-Haiku-pre has joined #haiku[02:16:01] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> Hello![02:16:18] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> I have problem with my SB Live in R28283 pre alpha.[02:16:39] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> Is somebody tested Haiku with Sound Blaster Live?[02:17:31] <umccullough> not recently[02:17:51] <zizban> it has worked before[02:17:59] <zizban> but it may not work in this build[02:18:20] *** xxploit has quit IRC[02:18:51] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> I have this problem: http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/2932[02:19:58] <AnEvilYak> my SBLive's working fine here[02:20:21] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> AnEvilYak, You are always lucky...[02:20:23] <zizban> ok, I see the issue in the tracker and I'm sure it'll be passed up to the powers that be (tm)[02:20:35] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> You have 5.1 or 4.0 card?[02:21:29] <AnEvilYak> neither, mine's just an SBLive XGamer[02:21:42] <AnEvilYak> has an S/PDIF output but otherwise it's normal stereo[02:21:58] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> I have SB Live Value. And it don't work :([02:22:16] <AnEvilYak> device Multimedia controller (Multimedia audio controller) [4|1|0][02:22:17] <AnEvilYak> vendor 1102: Creative Labs[02:22:17] <AnEvilYak> device 0002: SB Live! EMU10k1[02:22:27] *** erikl has quit IRC[02:22:45] <AnEvilYak> this card's somewhere around 6 years old at this point[02:23:01] <umccullough_x> miqlas-Haiku-pre, i have an sblive value as well[02:23:05] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> AnEvilYak, where can i check the devID?[02:23:14] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> In Haiku..[02:23:15] <umccullough_x> if you're in haiku, just use listdev[02:23:38] <AnEvilYak> listdev[02:23:40] <AnEvilYak> yeah[02:23:55] <umccullough_x> if anything, it might just be a shared interrupt issue[02:24:27] *** xxploit has joined #haiku[02:25:04] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> device Multimedia controller (Multimedia audio controller) [4|1|0][02:25:05] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> vendor 1102: Creative Labs[02:25:06] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> device 0002: SB Live! EMU10k1[02:25:22] <umccullough_x> yeah, i think they're all the same hardware, just different outputs detected by the driver[02:25:29] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> Then my card have the same id..[02:26:28] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> Hahaha! vendor 10de: nVidia Corporation device 004e: NV40GL [Quadro FX 4000][02:26:29] <geist> didn't look like they were real Creative with the ids[02:26:30] <geist> har har[02:26:41] <zizban> heh[02:28:12] *** travis1 has joined #haiku[02:28:43] <travis1> hello, room[02:29:08] <travis1> can anyone tell me how far away from having a usable web browser in haiku we are?[02:29:26] <umccullough_x> myvzw.com? irc via cell phone?[02:29:27] <travis1> or usable wifi drivers?[02:29:28] <geist> 42[02:29:42] <umccullough_x> just askin'[02:29:54] <travis1> or why my intel hda audio doesn't work even though there's a driver for it[02:30:53] <zizban> haiku has firefox[02:31:01] <travis1> or how cool it is that i can boot the same haiku partition natively or from qemu[02:31:01] <zizban> that's pretty usable[02:31:07] <AnEvilYak> HDA only works on some chipsets right now, iirc ICH8[02:31:08] <travis1> yes, firefox is usable if ugly in haiku[02:31:17] <travis1> ah! i see[02:31:19] <zizban> no one said it was pretty :)[02:31:29] <travis1> what does "iirc ICH8" mean?[02:31:30] <travis1> heh[02:31:35] <travis1> zizban: right on[02:31:50] <travis1> thank you, AnEvilYak[02:31:55] <zizban> Netsurf is in the works as well[02:32:03] <AnEvilYak> if I remember correctly, ICH8[02:32:09] <travis1> yes, zizban...how's research in that department going?[02:32:10] <AnEvilYak> zizban: Netsurf's functional[02:32:25] <travis1> AnEvilYak: What's keeping it from running my HDA?[02:32:43] <AnEvilYak> all HDA chipsets aren't identical, the guy who worked on that driver only has one or two of 'em around to test[02:32:47] <umccullough_x> different HDA codecs[02:32:53] <zizban> yup[02:32:56] <travis1> AnEvilYak: Or for that matter, what's keeping my b43 wireless card from working[02:33:06] <AnEvilYak> no wifi stack?[02:33:07] <zizban> no drivers[02:33:15] <travis1> how can I help?[02:33:19] * zizban loves these easy questions[02:33:32] <travis1> is driver writing extremely extremely difficult?[02:33:53] <AnEvilYak> that's a reasonable way of putting it[02:33:59] <zizban> you need some kind of docs for wireless chipsets[02:34:00] <umccullough_x> it must be, given the lack of them floating around ;)[02:34:04] <zizban> or reverse egineer[02:34:09] <zizban> AND a working wifi stack[02:34:30] <zizban> atheros could be possible, since its documented[02:34:57] <umccullough_x> there is kinda this project that was started to port the wifi stack from freebsd[02:35:04] <umccullough_x> but it's sort of stalled atm[02:35:21] <zizban> ya there are bigger priorities[02:35:33] <zizban> like uh, keeping your stuff from being corrupted in Haiku[02:35:57] <umccullough_x> well, the guy who was working on it is actually focusing on firefox now[02:35:57] <travis1> what are the possibilities for borrowing from linux[02:36:04] <travis1> there's a linux driver[02:36:08] <geist> GPL[02:36:13] <AnEvilYak> slim considering we don't take GPL code[02:36:24] <zizban> and we don't even have a wifi stack to begin with[02:36:36] <AnEvilYak> and yeah, the linux driver won't do much without the rest of the wifi stack[02:36:48] <travis1> ah[02:36:48] <zizban> so that driver will just sit, there, taunting you :)[02:36:49] <travis1> yes[02:36:54] <travis1> :)[02:37:01] <travis1> good points[02:37:04] <AnEvilYak> taunting drivers are the best kind[02:37:07] <umccullough_x> linux drivers can be used for reference in some cases[02:37:15] <zizban> absolutely. taunting rocks[02:37:22] <geist> doubleplustrue[02:37:27] <travis1> so what i'm really getting at is what is the time line?[02:37:39] <umccullough_x> unfortunately, that is not available[02:37:40] <travis1> how close are we, i mean[02:37:48] <travis1> news has been really slow lately[02:37:49] <AnEvilYak> there isn't really one, everyone works on this in their free time, and wifi's not really a priority right now[02:37:51] <travis1> on the website[02:37:52] <zizban> well. let's start at the beginning[02:37:55] <travis1> it's frustrating[02:38:03] <umccullough_x> travis1, the website is probably one of the last places to read news ;)[02:38:07] <zizban> 65 million years ago dinosaurs roamed the earth[02:38:16] <travis1> heh[02:38:20] <travis1> thanks, zizban[02:38:29] <zizban> hey, no problem :)[02:38:30] <umccullough_x> commit list, buglist, and other mailing lists are where all the real news occurs[02:38:36] *** duaneb has joined #haiku[02:38:37] <travis1> i fear haiku's gotten way too technical[02:38:40] <duaneb> hey people[02:38:48] <duaneb> technical = awesome[02:38:50] <zizban> compared to what..?[02:38:51] <travis1> yes...but let's talk big picture[02:38:56] <duaneb> but then again, I write bootloaders for fun :P[02:39:05] <zizban> my microwave? yes. Linux? no.[02:39:16] <travis1> the beauty of beos and haiku are that they are good for techies, but also for not-so-techy people too[02:39:21] <umccullough_x> it's hard to write an OS without getting all technical[02:39:39] <zizban> ya thats what makes it hard[02:39:39] <umccullough_x> i mean...you don't just write code like: "load the drivers and stuff, then show a pretty gui"[02:39:44] <zizban> "Coding is hard!"[02:39:47] <travis1> i mean, if you want to be a giant computer nerd, just use linux (i use linux, btw), but if you're an artsy stylish person, use macos[02:39:51] <duaneb> nah, coding is easy.[02:39:54] <duaneb> programming is hard.[02:40:05] *** slaad has quit IRC[02:40:07] <duaneb> travis1: nah, just use the mac[02:40:13] <duaneb> and save linux for the render farms[02:40:28] <umccullough_x> this discussion is way too non-technical for #haiku ;)[02:40:28] <duaneb> seriously :P[02:40:30] <zizban> muhahaha I use Irix, fear me :)[02:40:33] <zizban> or something[02:40:39] <travis1> i just mean haiku needs more marketing to potential end users[02:40:43] <travis1> who aren't programmers[02:40:48] <umccullough_x> travis1, certainly not at the moment[02:40:49] <zizban> it will, when it's time[02:40:52] <duaneb> I have a CPM machine right next to this computer[02:40:54] <travis1> :([02:40:56] <umccullough_x> haiku is in no shape for end users[02:40:57] <AnEvilYak> when it's completely unfinished?[02:41:00] <zizban> trust me, when the alpha hits everyone will know[02:41:05] <zizban> the beta more so[02:41:09] <travis1> i know...but we hope that sometime this century it will be ready[02:41:13] <zizban> R! will be an news-gasm[02:41:18] <travis1> it is not completely unfinished[02:41:22] <AnEvilYak> there will be when it's ready for such users.[02:41:24] <AnEvilYak> right now it isn't[02:41:28] <duaneb> What I'm afraid of is that when haiku is 'finished', it will be ten years old.[02:41:29] <travis1> ok[02:41:35] <AnEvilYak> hence the docs focus on those people it's currently ready for, which is mainly devs[02:41:55] <umccullough_x> duaneb, is that really so bad?[02:42:00] <travis1> but *i*'m an intermediate kind of person...someone who can get it to run natively, but probably won't be very deeply digging in any code[02:42:01] <duaneb> Well, yes.[02:42:04] <umccullough_x> i mean, is it just a perception issue?[02:42:16] <travis1> and i just would like to know when there'll be a wifi stack so i can use it[02:42:18] <AnEvilYak> duaneb: and the problem with that is?[02:42:21] <duaneb> If it doesn't run x86-64....[02:42:23] <umccullough_x> 10 years old doesn't mean it was just dug up from under a rock after 10 years[02:42:33] <duaneb> True, it was advanced for its time[02:42:41] <zizban> the wifi stack will be a ways away[02:42:48] <duaneb> Also, how do you propose getting good drivers?[02:42:54] <duaneb> 3d drivers, I mean[02:42:57] <travis1> what's currently the priority?[02:43:22] <zizban> bug fixing before alpha1[02:43:35] <zizban> bugs like, non booting, data corruption, app_server crashes[02:43:39] <AnEvilYak> right now, bug fixes.[02:43:40] <umccullough_x> travis1, there's a alpha 1 milestone on Trac[02:43:50] <travis1> (x86-64 support in all os's on my amd processor is sucky...)[02:43:52] <umccullough_x> and a list of Alpha1 proposals that need to be met[02:43:53] <duaneb> NB: this isn't to say I don't think that haiku isn't doing well—it's doing awesomely[02:43:56] <duaneb> I'm just worrying :P[02:44:03] <zizban> like super duper awesome[02:44:09] <umccullough_x> worrying unfortunately doesn't change anything ;)[02:44:10] <duaneb> gcc 2/4 for alpha? O.O[02:44:28] <travis1> well, i can surf the web on it[02:44:28] <zizban> yes[02:44:31] <travis1> and type a document[02:44:34] <AnEvilYak> I guess I'm confused as to what there is to worry about[02:44:48] <zizban> you can listen to music and play videos, too[02:45:06] <duaneb> Well, I'm worried that I'll have to use linux instead of haiku because of missing features[02:45:15] <AnEvilYak> such as?[02:45:17] <duaneb> I.E. nvidia's CUDA[02:45:22] <duaneb> e.g., rather[02:45:25] <umccullough_x> darn[02:45:30] <zizban> nah, FreeBSD, if you must[02:45:40] <duaneb> drivers are buggy[02:45:45] <travis1> zizban: not yet (no support for my audio chipset)[02:45:47] <duaneb> doesn't support x86-64[02:45:47] <umccullough_x> i suppose i could have to use windows instead of haiku because of... stuff[02:45:55] <duaneb> (referring to nvidia drivers)[02:46:09] <zizban> Heck I use Irix so I can't judge :)[02:46:16] <duaneb> Only thing windows is good for is gaming :P[02:46:17] <travis1> such fancy machines[02:46:22] <travis1> haiku is so responsive[02:46:26] <travis1> i love it[02:46:48] <zizban> get an xbox or p23 for gaming[02:47:15] <umccullough_x> duaneb, and running windows software[02:47:32] <umccullough_x> which is an amazingly-common problem people run into ;)[02:47:33] <duaneb> ...like? :P[02:47:39] <umccullough_x> like the software my company writes[02:47:47] <duaneb> yea, I'm saving up for a PS3[02:47:53] <umccullough_x> anyhow, time to reboot here[02:47:58] <zizban> bye[02:48:02] *** umccullough_x has quit IRC[02:48:02] <zizban> I have a PS2[02:48:03] <duaneb> Sorry, but in all likelihood, I probably don't use that[02:48:10] <duaneb> PS3 looks awesome[02:48:13] <duaneb> CELL ftw[02:48:21] <zizban> heh[02:48:24] <AnEvilYak> meh[02:48:39] <AnEvilYak> cell is good at a handful of special purpose tasks and that's about it[02:49:39] <travis1> adios[02:49:42] *** travis1 has left #haiku[02:49:57] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[02:50:16] *** daste has joined #haiku[02:50:29] <duaneb> AnEvilYak: do not insult the power family![02:50:34] <AnEvilYak> whatever[02:50:35] <daste> hi, i wanted you to know that in pthread.h you have an unnamed union[02:50:35] <zizban> there goes another satisifed customer[02:50:37] <AnEvilYak> the PPU is crap.[02:50:47] <daste> which prevents from compiling with -pedantic gcc option[02:50:48] <duaneb> But seriously, it's the future of processing[02:50:53] <AnEvilYak> um...[02:50:55] <umccullough> nah[02:50:55] <AnEvilYak> no it isn't[02:50:56] <duaneb> intel has a dead end coming up[02:51:01] <umccullough> teh SPE's are useful for certain tasks[02:51:48] <duaneb> Well, it's certainly not getting beaten by the x86 :P[02:51:57] <AnEvilYak> at what?[02:52:00] <umccullough> exactly[02:52:02] <AnEvilYak> the SPEs are fine at number crunching[02:52:04] <umccullough> i was gonna ask the same[02:52:05] <AnEvilYak> they suck at anything else[02:52:07] <duaneb> at anything[02:52:13] <AnEvilYak> anything that heavily relies at branching? Cell is complete ass.[02:52:17] <AnEvilYak> relies on*[02:52:19] <umccullough> yeah, cuz the cell processor runs linux faster than x86..sure[02:52:23] <duaneb> the processor does nothing BUT crunching![02:52:31] <umccullough> better check your results again[02:52:37] <AnEvilYak> someone's drunk a bit too much of the kool-aid[02:52:54] <zizban> heh[02:53:10] <daste> ehm...[02:53:11] <duaneb> nah, I know this stuff.[02:53:14] <umccullough> number crunching does not define the usefulness of a processor ;)[02:53:20] <duaneb> yea it does.[02:53:23] <AnEvilYak> if you think Cell beats x86 at general purpose code, then no, no you don't.[02:53:26] <duaneb> what else are you going to do with it?[02:53:27] <daste> do i have to register to dev.haiku.org to attach a ticket?[02:53:29] <AnEvilYak> so all you do is run SETI all day?[02:53:32] <duaneb> what's 'general purpose code'?[02:53:33] <AnEvilYak> daste: yes.[02:53:37] <duaneb> moving memory through the processor?[02:53:38] <AnEvilYak> duaneb: apps.[02:53:42] <daste> couldn't just someone report the bug for me?[02:53:55] <AnEvilYak> duaneb: most apps do not sit there doing floating point multiply accumulate all day[02:54:00] <AnEvilYak> which is the only thing Cell beats anyone at[02:54:07] <umccullough> heh, the only distributed computing apps i know of that run on cell are dnetc and FAH, and something called ps3grid[02:54:25] <duaneb> that's because CELL chips are new and expensive :P[02:54:36] <AnEvilYak> and for the average user they suck[02:54:37] <duaneb> Look, for any type of calculations, the cell chip wins.[02:54:38] <duaneb> fair?[02:54:41] <umccullough> really? i coulda sworn that PS3 was a hell of a lot cheaper than a regular PC[02:54:49] <umccullough> and it even comes with a blueray drive[02:54:56] <AnEvilYak> that'd be great if all an app did all day was calculate[02:55:00] <AnEvilYak> the vast majority do not.[02:55:02] <duaneb> Well, no self respecting company would build an array of PS3s[02:55:09] <AnEvilYak> and again it's specific kinds of parallel calculations that the cell is good at[02:55:10] <umccullough> serious?[02:55:13] <duaneb> yea[02:55:17] <AnEvilYak> you would be wrong.[02:55:17] <umccullough> arrays of PS3s are all over the place[02:55:21] <AnEvilYak> can and has been done everywhere.[02:55:26] <duaneb> anyway, what about roadrunner?[02:55:33] <umccullough> PS3 clusters are pretty popular to heavy lifting[02:55:40] <umccullough> for[02:55:40] <duaneb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Roadrunner[02:55:58] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> Globe Webeditor on Haiku : http://noob.hu/07/1027/globe.jpg[02:56:27] <duaneb> Basically, the cell chips serve as more accessible GPUs[02:56:40] <AnEvilYak> we're well aware of what they are.[02:56:50] <duaneb> ok[02:56:54] *** umccullough_h has joined #haiku[02:56:55] <duaneb> so... what's the problem?[02:57:01] <AnEvilYak> you're making stuff up?[02:57:12] <duaneb> what am I making up? :P[02:57:24] <zizban> hey thats a nice web editor[02:57:28] <AnEvilYak> that Cell's good at anything other than parallel number crunching?[02:57:36] <AnEvilYak> aka about 1% of apps in existence?[02:57:39] <umccullough_h> FFTs FTW[02:58:00] <AnEvilYak> I mean, if all I ever did was encode h264 all day, you might have a point[02:58:01] <AnEvilYak> but I don't.[02:58:04] <umccullough_h> actually, from what i gather, CUDA, GPUs are better at FFTs[02:58:22] <duaneb> How fast does your word processor need to be?[02:58:33] <duaneb> anything that needs speed will do well on the cell chip...[02:58:37] <AnEvilYak> no it won't.[02:58:37] <zizban> blazing![02:58:39] <AnEvilYak> one word: compiling.[02:58:41] <duaneb> Fine.[02:58:46] <duaneb> Compiling will[02:58:48] <AnEvilYak> no it won't.[02:58:49] <duaneb> it's pretty simple[02:58:57] <AnEvilYak> my old athlon64 will run circles around a Cell at compiling.[02:58:59] *** xxploit has quit IRC[02:59:02] <zizban> where are you that it's 255 am??[02:59:04] <umccullough_h> last i checked, the PPC core on the cell chip didn't hardly have any branch optimizations built-in[02:59:08] <duaneb> AnEvilYak: [citation needed][02:59:23] <zizban> heh[02:59:34] <duaneb> umccullough_h: A) it does, and B) you're supposed to be moving away from branching, remember?[02:59:36] <AnEvilYak> duaneb: says the one who can't substantiate "Cell pwnz allz0rs!"[02:59:44] <AnEvilYak> branching is unavoidable for a lot of things.[02:59:46] *** xxploit has joined #haiku[02:59:48] <duaneb> AnEvilYak: so, basically, you have no evidence of anything.[02:59:50] <AnEvilYak> and simple: the PPU core is complete crap.[02:59:56] <AnEvilYak> it's a very simple in-order design[03:00:03] <AnEvilYak> ergo hit a branch, pipeline grinds to a halt.[03:00:08] <duaneb> AnEvilYak: So, basically, you have no evidence of anything.[03:00:13] <AnEvilYak> duaneb: speak for yourself.[03:00:15] <umccullough_h> duaneb and you do?[03:00:29] <umccullough_h> let's see this gcc compiling beast you claim the cell could be[03:00:35] <zizban> man this is like wikipedia "live" :)[03:00:55] <umccullough_h> the person here probably with the most knowledge and experience working with a cell would be geist[03:00:58] <duaneb> umccullough_h: if you recall, I never brought it up.[03:01:01] <umccullough_h> and he's been nice and quiet :)[03:01:23] <duaneb> Until there's evidence that it sucks at compiling, I'll assume that it's just like every other processor on the planet and will compile just fine.[03:01:40] <AnEvilYak> duaneb: so you're admitting that you know zero about its architecture and are just regurgitating IBM marketing docs?[03:01:48] <duaneb> AnEvilYak: no[03:01:49] <umccullough_h> i've read several reviews in the past claiming the cell processor runs pretty mediocre[03:01:53] <AnEvilYak> because if you knew anything whatsoever about the PPU, you'd know damn well why it's crap at compiling.[03:01:57] <duaneb> AnEvilYak: I never said anything of the sort[03:02:20] <umccullough_h> bbiab, problems outside[03:02:43] <duaneb> AnEvilYak: Ok, tell me why.[03:02:53] <AnEvilYak> I've told you why about 6 times now.[03:02:57] <duaneb> Why is a single core CELL chip worse off than a single core x86 chip?[03:02:58] <AnEvilYak> if you don't want to listen, that's your problem.[03:03:02] <duaneb> well, refresh my memory[03:03:08] <AnEvilYak> simple[03:03:13] <AnEvilYak> the cell has one PPU and several SPU/SPEs[03:03:18] <AnEvilYak> the SPEs can only do certain ops like FMACs[03:03:20] <duaneb> (per core)[03:03:22] <duaneb> ok[03:03:33] <AnEvilYak> the PPU is the one it *has* to fall back to for general purposes ops.[03:03:36] * zizban eye's glazes over[03:03:48] <AnEvilYak> the PPU is a simple in-order 3.2GHz chip with 2 pipelines, no branch prediction, nothing.[03:03:54] <duaneb> so?[03:03:56] <AnEvilYak> everything that's not an FMAC has to go through it.[03:03:59] <duaneb> that won't make it any slower[03:03:59] <AnEvilYak> so?[03:04:02] <AnEvilYak> yes it will.[03:04:07] <duaneb> it just means that it won't be faster[03:04:08] <AnEvilYak> no branch prediction, no out of order execution?[03:04:14] <AnEvilYak> it grinds to a halt as soon as it hits a branch[03:04:18] <AnEvilYak> an x86 will not.[03:04:46] <AnEvilYak> the PPU is not a PPC970, architecturally it's closer to something like a 604.[03:04:48] <umccullough_h> duaneb, i don't know if you noticed, but processors have stopped increasing speed via clockrate, and started increasing speed by including branch optimizers and other neat tricks to optimize the execution of certain code[03:04:58] <AnEvilYak> it is *not* a fast general purpose chip, because that's not what it's designed to be.[03:05:08] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> Transmission is under GPL2 or MIT license?[03:05:23] <duaneb> No, the PPU has branch prediction, the SPEs do not have dynamic branch prediction[03:05:39] <AnEvilYak> and if it misses, it grinds to a halt[03:05:42] <AnEvilYak> no out of order execution[03:05:58] *** acidx has quit IRC[03:05:59] *** daste has quit IRC[03:06:00] <AnEvilYak> and once again, you have yet to show the benchmarks that show the Cell pwnz all[03:06:02] <AnEvilYak> because they don't exist[03:06:21] <umccullough_h> they do exist for math ;)[03:06:23] <duaneb> ...and you don't have any benchmarks to show that x86 pwnz all[03:06:28] <zizban> its GPL[03:06:35] <AnEvilYak> lol, you're the one that ran in here saying the Cell owns everything[03:06:38] <AnEvilYak> your job to substantiate[03:06:44] <AnEvilYak> have fun, because you can't.[03:06:54] <AnEvilYak> and btw, PPC lost the desktop battle years ago, but feel free to keep living in denial[03:06:56] <duaneb> http://www.cellperformance.com/articles/2006/04/background_on_branching.html[03:06:59] <digitalteufel> I don't think anyone claimed that x86 pwnz all.[03:07:08] <duaneb> AnEvilYak did, actually[03:07:17] <AnEvilYak> no I didn't.[03:07:31] <AnEvilYak> I said a Cell will not beat an x86 at most general purpose tasks[03:07:32] <umccullough_h> i think the claim was that a cell processor was not going to be faster at everything[03:07:37] <AnEvilYak> that does not equate to "x86 pwnz all" by a long shot[03:07:41] <AnEvilYak> so stop putting words in my mouth[03:07:44] <zizban> parts of Transmission are GPL and some are MIT[03:07:46] <duaneb> Well, fine[03:07:49] * AnEvilYak decides to stop feeding the troll[03:07:50] <duaneb> but the same effect :P[03:07:56] <AnEvilYak> no, not at all[03:07:57] <duaneb> I never said that the Cell pwnz all either[03:08:00] <AnEvilYak> take a basic logic class[03:08:01] <duaneb> don't stuff my mouth either[03:08:06] <AnEvilYak> yes you did[03:08:11] <AnEvilYak> ZOMG IT'S THE FUTURE OF COMPUTING![03:08:12] <duaneb> AnEvilYak: take a basic researching class ;)[03:08:17] <duaneb> well, it is[03:08:22] <AnEvilYak> and there you have it.[03:08:24] <AnEvilYak> see ya.[03:08:25] <AnEvilYak> troll.[03:08:49] <umccullough> there are many other processor technologies that seem to indicate a similar "future of computing" ;)[03:08:55] <zizban> night[03:08:58] *** zizban has left #haiku[03:09:07] <duaneb> I never said that the other one's aren't[03:09:17] <duaneb> I just said that Cell's style will soon dominate the chip market[03:09:28] <duaneb> I wasn't making any specific claims about the Cell[03:09:28] <digitalteufel> What market?[03:09:30] <umccullough> you didn't say the "style" would, and by style, i assume you mean multiple cores[03:09:35] <duaneb> (though I did defend it)[03:09:39] <duaneb> the desktop market[03:09:48] <digitalteufel> Ha[03:09:50] <duaneb> ...no, I don;t[03:09:56] <duaneb> Well, I sort of do[03:10:09] <duaneb> multiple cores CAN act in a similar fashion[03:10:14] <umccullough> multiple special-purpose cores?[03:10:24] <umccullough> like DSPs, etc...?[03:10:31] <duaneb> yes[03:10:38] <duaneb> You'll start seeing more of those[03:10:40] <umccullough> yeah, that's not necessarily "cell"[03:10:50] <duaneb> No, but cell is an example of it[03:10:59] <duaneb> the first example since that cray, iirc[03:11:05] <umccullough> i think we're gonna start seeing graphics cores on the same die as the x86 processors[03:11:14] <umccullough> wouldn't be surprised if AMD does that next[03:11:55] <duaneb> I think intel has one on the line in the future[03:11:59] <duaneb> hmm, lemme find that[03:12:00] <umccullough> i'm sure they do[03:12:11] <digitalteufel> Larrabee[03:12:41] <duaneb> yea, just remember that :P[03:12:54] <digitalteufel> Hm? Remember what?[03:12:56] <umccullough> i'm certainly they're not doing it because of the Cell processor[03:12:59] <umccullough> certain[03:13:04] <umccullough> it's just natural evolution[03:13:05] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> Haiku pre-alpha thread at hungarian unix portal: http://hup.hu/cikkek/20081024/letoltheto_a_Haiku_pre-alpha[03:13:38] <duaneb> I never made the claim[03:13:40] <umccullough_h> damn, my windows box is all screwed up[03:13:45] <duaneb> i just said the cell processors were the future[03:13:48] <duaneb> which they are![03:13:55] <duaneb> maybe not the cell chip, per se[03:14:03] <digitalteufel> Wha?[03:14:05] <umccullough_h> well see...now you're sort of changing what you've said[03:14:05] <duaneb> but that style, certainly![03:14:09] <duaneb> No[03:14:15] <duaneb> I just can't speak well :P[03:14:20] <umccullough_h> also known as backpeddaling[03:14:22] <umccullough_h> ;)[03:14:23] <duaneb> I work much better in essays that I can revise[03:14:31] <duaneb> Well, you know what I meant :P[03:14:43] <umccullough_h> maybe i do now...but it didn't sound the same before[03:14:44] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> Is somebody have an idea how to fix my sound problems?[03:14:53] <umccullough_h> miqlas-Haiku-pre try putting the sblive in another slot[03:14:56] <digitalteufel> By "cell processor" do you really mean "heterogeneous processor"?[03:15:04] <umccullough_h> miqlas-Haiku-pre also, you do NOT have OSS installed do you?[03:15:08] <umccullough_h> OpenSound?[03:15:08] <duaneb> by 'cell processor' I meant 'cell processor'[03:15:38] <digitalteufel> Then you don't know what you're talking about.[03:15:44] <duaneb> No, I do[03:15:53] <duaneb> but again, I can't speak[03:15:59] <digitalteufel> Yes I know.[03:16:10] <duaneb> by saying that the x86 is dead, I meant in its current incarnation[03:16:28] <digitalteufel> What is that supposed to mean?[03:16:30] <duaneb> perhaps the instruction set will survive, but on a different design.[03:16:39] <umccullough_h> i think there's a large percentage of people that will disagree that x86 is "dead" ;)[03:16:39] <digitalteufel> Gah?[03:16:39] <duaneb> i.e. the multiple cores thing[03:16:43] <duaneb> it's not very feasible[03:17:09] <duaneb> That will only last until ~128 cores[03:17:21] <duaneb> ~80 because of manufacturing issues[03:17:40] <duaneb> after that, you start getting bogged down in communication issues[03:17:44] <umccullough_h> i think 80 is the currently number that intel has succeeded in producing right?[03:17:47] <umccullough_h> current[03:17:51] <duaneb> well, kind of[03:17:57] <duaneb> but yes :)[03:17:58] <umccullough_h> 80 that weren't dead[03:18:29] <duaneb> correct[03:18:55] <duaneb> ahh, I miss the internet[03:19:31] <digitalteufel> What now?[03:20:48] <duaneb> the flaming...[03:20:50] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> umcculloug, i never installed OSS yet[03:21:22] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> I use the first pre-alpha. I can't update, because i lost my flashdrive :([03:21:46] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> An i think i cant overwrite the kernel under Haiku.[03:23:32] *** duaneb has quit IRC[03:23:59] <digitalteufel> What a weird person.[03:24:08] <umccullough_h> troll :)[03:24:29] <umccullough_h> well, maybe that's not the right word[03:25:10] <umccullough_h> does zip commandline in haiku automatically retain attributes by default?[03:25:33] <digitalteufel> I would think so.[03:25:46] <thotypous> does zip even support attributes?[03:25:53] <umccullough_h> haiku version does[03:26:26] <spuopolo> it looks like -X flag excludes attributes if necessary[03:26:46] <thotypous> how are the attributes encoded in the zip file? as comments?[03:27:25] <umccullough> zip supports extended storage IIRC[03:27:29] <digitalteufel> I think the format just supports metadata in general.[03:27:29] <umccullough> not entirely sure how it works[03:27:50] <umccullough> i think there's a limit to the size of metadata it supports per file :P[03:28:52] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> I need to sleep.[03:28:57] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> Goodbye, Guys![03:29:08] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> Goodbye Haiku![03:29:12] <umccullough> 'night[03:29:38] *** miqlas-Haiku-pre has quit IRC[03:29:58] <thotypous> ah :D[03:33:33] <umccullough> hmm.. gotta reboot[03:33:38] *** umccullough has quit IRC[03:35:09] *** aspartame has joined #haiku[03:47:58] *** umccullough has joined #haiku[03:47:59] *** umccullough_h has quit IRC[03:51:14] *** spuopolo has left #haiku[03:54:23] <umccullough> damn, why doesn't hot-plug SATA work properly in windows?[03:54:41] <umccullough> stupid nvidia drivers[03:56:39] *** umccullough has quit IRC[04:00:23] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[04:00:28] *** umccullough_x has joined #haiku[04:00:46] <AlienSoldier> can haiku "format" a mp3 player (fat) yet?[04:09:51] *** aspartame has quit IRC[04:13:45] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[04:19:12] *** [mark-zzz] is now known as [mark][04:22:20] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[04:24:25] *** umccullough_g has joined #haiku[04:25:58] <umccullough_g> wonder if haiku will boot on this toshiba yet[04:31:34] *** tgiphil|afk is now known as tgiphil[04:32:06] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[04:40:41] *** umccullough_g has quit IRC[04:49:56] *** umccullough_x has quit IRC[04:54:50] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[04:55:42] <Kokito> hello folks[04:56:41] *** hdanak has quit IRC[05:00:09] *** umccullough has joined #haiku[05:02:04] <Kokito> hey umccullough[05:03:54] <umccullough> hey[05:04:00] <umccullough> W.T.F.[05:04:08] <umccullough> i just went to download a new storage driver for my nforce chipset[05:04:11] <umccullough> for windows[05:04:14] <umccullough> 138mb?[05:04:37] <umccullough> how in the f'ing world can a disk controller driver be that large[05:05:03] <umccullough> oh, of course[05:05:13] <umccullough> it includes the ethernet driver as well... that makes complete sense[05:05:37] *** thotypous has quit IRC[05:06:45] <geist> umccullough: yeah, damn ethernet drivers[05:06:48] <umccullough> i have a sneaky suspicion they slipped the video driver in too[05:06:57] <geist> always bloating up your storage drivers[05:07:02] <geist> why can't they leave well enough alone?[05:07:03] <umccullough> yeah, damn ethernet[05:07:27] <geist> that's why haiku isn't that big yet[05:07:32] <geist> doesn't support enough ethernet chipsets[05:07:45] <umccullough> exactly[05:08:09] <Kokito> hey geist[05:09:09] <AlienSoldier> i wonder where i could (and if i can) get a fat32 image (empty) for a sandisk 512M card. Don't have any XP to format it and i can't seem to recognise my card reader in my win98 service pc[05:09:53] <AlienSoldier> i don't want to use beos as it does not fat the same way it seem[05:13:03] <AlienSoldier> just my luck found a 1G one :) .... :([05:14:08] * JonathanThompson laughs uproariously at the foolishness of ThomHowerda[05:14:16] *** criso has quit IRC[05:14:20] * JonathanThompson adds an l[05:14:36] * JonathanThompson laughs uproariously at the foolishness of ThomHolwerda[05:15:01] <umccullough> ah, here's the breakdown: ftp://ftp.binarychicken.com/umccullough/nvidia_driver_shit.png[05:15:06] *** Kokito has quit IRC[05:15:14] <umccullough> i guess they snuck the video *and* audio driver in...[05:15:35] <JonathanThompson> Did they also include a complete installation of Windows 3.11 for Workgroups?[05:15:38] <umccullough> installing this will probably trash my connection...so ...[05:17:42] <AlienSoldier> trying to get an image from the other mp3player don't seem to work, i stoped it at 680M, used dd if=/dev/disk/scsi/0/0/0 of=/boot/home/Downloads/test/image[05:22:23] <umccullough> bah, the install hung[05:22:26] <umccullough> reboot time[05:22:29] *** umccullough has quit IRC[06:04:26] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[06:13:34] *** umccullough has joined #haiku[06:13:51] <umccullough> hopefully my machine will behave now[06:15:18] *** umccullough has quit IRC[06:21:57] *** umccullough has joined #haiku[06:23:21] <ari2-free> hi[06:23:48] <digitalteufel> I hope you unchecked "MediaShield"[06:24:31] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[06:42:05] *** redblue has quit IRC[06:49:34] <umccullough> digitalteufel, why?[06:50:01] <umccullough> believe it or not, i'm using the "fake raid" feature of this chipset :P[07:08:56] <digitalteufel> umccullough, because MediaShield is garbage.[07:09:01] <digitalteufel> Actually I'm thinking of something else.[07:09:23] <umccullough> yeah, afaik, mediashield is pretty much just the raid management tools from nvidia[07:09:44] <digitalteufel> I forget what it's called... something shield I think.[07:09:47] <umccullough> lets you check the health of your raid and sync/migrate/rebuild it from windows[07:10:18] <umccullough> hope you're not referring to mcafee's virus scanning software[07:11:10] <digitalteufel> No it's something that the nvidia driver package asks you to install...[07:11:23] <digitalteufel> Might be a firewall or something but I can't remember.[07:11:29] <umccullough> ah, that[07:11:32] <digitalteufel> Maybe they finally removed it.[07:11:43] <umccullough> i know what you're talking about...i installed it, but disabled it :P[07:12:17] <umccullough> stupid network management crap[07:12:30] <umccullough> "forceware network access manager"[07:12:42] <digitalteufel> Ugh, upload the pre-alpha image faster will ya.[07:13:12] <AlexForster> i don't trust my nvidia mirror raid[07:13:53] <AlexForster> sometimes if i don't shutdown properly, when i boot up again only one hard drive gets used and i'm missing like half my files[07:15:21] <umccullough> AlexForster, i'm using raid5[07:15:30] <umccullough> so far, it's been solid, except for the crappy performance :([07:15:46] <AlexForster> yeah, soo much hashing[07:15:51] <umccullough> since it relies on the driver to do all the work, i guess it's really no better than software raid anyway[07:16:06] <AlexForster> i have a storage array for big files like movies and all that, and then my os install is on a mirrored set[07:16:22] <umccullough> i may just breakdown and setup NAS[07:16:31] *** anarchos has joined #Haiku[07:17:13] <AlexForster> esata or even usb external hard drives are perfect for large, infrequently accessed files like movies and isos[07:17:41] <umccullough> yeah, i have a 300gb usb disk that i dump shit on too ;)[07:17:53] <umccullough> my raid5 is currently three 320gb SATA disks[07:18:40] <umccullough> hmm... ran nvidia's gamma-adjustment tool and it makes all my colors look worse[07:20:44] <AlexForster> could be that you're not used to it[07:22:04] <umccullough> perhaps, but it means all my other machines are wrong too[07:25:03] *** M_199 has joined #haiku[07:41:23] *** Master199 has quit IRC[07:59:07] <anarchos> is there any kind of colour adjustment for haiku?[08:01:38] *** HeTo has quit IRC[08:05:43] *** redblue has joined #haiku[08:06:17] *** numbah_ has joined #haiku[08:07:00] *** numbah has quit IRC[08:09:50] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[08:34:36] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[08:36:08] *** [r4] has quit IRC[08:42:32] *** saimon61 has joined #haiku[08:42:43] *** saimon61 has left #haiku[09:01:22] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[09:10:33] *** adb has quit IRC[09:18:08] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[09:18:39] *** sprma has joined #haiku[09:23:12] <umccullough> 3[09:23:22] <umccullough> whoops[09:26:41] *** A-v-S has quit IRC[09:43:15] *** rsanches has joined #haiku[09:46:17] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[09:53:26] *** Arafangion has joined #haiku[10:15:15] *** sprma_ has joined #haiku[10:17:48] *** sprma__ has joined #haiku[10:17:49] *** sprma_ has quit IRC[10:18:04] *** sprma has quit IRC[10:18:17] *** sprma__ has quit IRC[10:39:22] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[10:41:09] <Teknomancer> hi Haiku'ers[10:41:19] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[10:41:32] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[10:42:04] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[10:51:46] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[10:51:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[10:59:48] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[11:00:01] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[11:03:42] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[11:06:10] <Arafangion> Teknomancer: I'm not a Haiku, do I still get a hello?[11:06:52] <Teknomancer> sure, as long as you don't charge me for it ;)[11:06:57] <Teknomancer> hi Arafangion[11:08:05] <Arafangion> Ha, now I must find another channel to collect stolen greetings.[11:10:59] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[11:18:15] <ari2-free> I know what a mac and a pc look like (obnoxious jerk and a fat guy in a suit) but what does a Haiku look like?[11:18:54] <Arafangion> ari2-free: A poem, I believe.[11:20:08] <ari2-free> nooooo[11:22:33] <ari2-free> "I'm a Haiku. I'm the kind of guy who can have a beer with."[11:22:42] <ari2-free> who=you[11:22:52] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[11:23:01] *** digitalteufel has quit IRC[11:23:47] <ari2-free> like this guy http://www.haiku-os.org/files/CharlieBrightEyes.jpg[11:24:38] *** Qu4Z has joined #haiku[11:28:37] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[11:28:41] *** Qu4Z has quit IRC[11:28:57] *** Qu4Z has joined #haiku[11:30:42] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[11:32:05] *** senry-user has quit IRC[11:33:30] *** xoblite has joined #haiku[11:34:21] <xoblite> ...any dev team members alive? :)[11:34:50] <Arafangion> xoblite: I got a copy of the source code... Does that count? :)[11:34:58] <xoblite> just read http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/R1/Alpha1Proposals and I could probably mirror the alpha I you'd want me to[11:35:06] <xoblite> heh[11:35:18] <xoblite> then I guess I could ask myself ;)[11:37:19] *** _maniac_ has joined #haiku[11:38:26] *** Vampyre has quit IRC[11:38:49] *** Qu4Z has quit IRC[11:45:46] *** aldeck has joined #Haiku[11:54:37] <CIA-60> stippi * r28341 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/input/InputServer.cpp: As pointed out by Axel, this TODO is invalid.[11:58:47] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[12:03:56] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[12:04:06] *** senry-user is now known as Franxico[12:07:20] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[12:13:30] *** Stefan100 has joined #haiku[12:13:32] *** erikl has joined #haiku[12:18:27] *** Player1 has joined #haiku[12:18:36] <Player1> !seen me[12:19:48] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[12:22:43] <Franxico> Is there another name to the Sound Preferences? I'm looking for a ticket[12:26:07] *** redblue has quit IRC[12:26:39] *** Vampyre has joined #haiku[12:27:08] <Franxico> umccullough any idea?[12:27:17] <Franxico> "Preflet"?[12:27:22] <CIA-60> stippi * r28342 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/input_server/devices/ (keyboard/KeyboardInputDevice.cpp mouse/MouseInputDevice.cpp): (log message trimmed)[12:27:22] <CIA-60> Fixed a race condition and resulting deadlock I introduced, which[12:27:22] <CIA-60> resulted in the keyboard not working (at least on my Lenovo/IBM T60).[12:27:22] <CIA-60> The device control thread could become aware of a dead device[12:27:24] <CIA-60> at the time another thread (for example the add-on manager thread)[12:27:26] <CIA-60> is already waiting for it. Then it tried to remove the device and[12:27:28] <CIA-60> got stuck on locks that the other thread already holds (InputDeviceItem[12:29:46] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[12:38:14] *** daste has joined #haiku[12:43:08] *** markos__ is now known as markos_[12:47:19] <erikl> Is there a way to set HS and VR for nvidia driver?[12:49:21] *** Matias has joined #haiku[12:50:29] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[12:52:15] *** _maniac_ has quit IRC[13:05:06] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[13:05:34] <miqlas> Ca i boot haiku image from NTFS natively?[13:05:40] <miqlas> I read a commit about it.[13:06:49] *** thotypous has quit IRC[13:10:32] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[13:10:50] <erikl> there's a guide at www.haikuware.com/hikis[13:10:58] <erikl> if I can recall[13:13:00] <miqlas> erikl there was a commit where mmu_man write about the FAT32 support for boot manager[13:13:25] <miqlas> in r28156.[13:13:42] <miqlas> i need test it.[13:13:52] <miqlas> i have ntfs, i hope it will works..[13:14:47] *** miqlas has quit IRC[13:15:19] *** Matias is now known as thotypous[13:15:22] *** erikl has quit IRC[13:16:01] <Ingenu> mmh[13:16:33] <Ingenu> trying latest Haiku build (alpha 28339) and I only get colored boxes at the top of the QEMU window...[13:16:41] <Ingenu> anyone know what's going on ?[13:17:24] *** Hoern has joined #Haiku[13:18:13] <Hoern> hi[13:18:18] <Franxico> not me[13:27:05] *** erikl has joined #haiku[13:28:22] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[13:30:39] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[13:36:20] *** Player1 has quit IRC[13:38:38] <Ingenu> omg ! there's a beos folder in my haiku HDD image ![13:38:39] <Ingenu> ;)[13:39:05] <Ingenu> I thought everything was to be Haiku (since the mailing list changed from OpenBeOS to Haiku...)[13:40:32] <thotypous> changing this is being discussed in the mailing list[13:50:28] *** M_199 has quit IRC[13:57:36] *** Animal-X has joined #haiku[13:57:54] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[14:05:38] <Ingenu> naughty[14:06:41] <Ingenu> ah no[14:06:48] <Ingenu> mmh anyway Haiku is slow in QEMU[14:07:00] <Ingenu> it used to be close to BeOS speed in QEMU on my computer[14:07:20] <Teknomancer> it was always slow in QEMU for me, but then I didn't try too many Haiku builds[14:07:36] <Franxico> in VMWare is OK[14:08:26] <Ingenu> bootscreen is nice :)[14:10:03] <Franxico> Haiku is nice :D[14:13:11] <Arafangion> Teknomancer: It's probably faster with the kqemu kernel module.[14:13:34] <Teknomancer> yes should be[14:15:16] <Arafangion> G'night.[14:15:18] *** Arafangion has quit IRC[14:16:45] <helf> heh, first time I've seen OSN lock the comments on a new article[14:17:23] <Ingenu> anything like parallels for windows ?[14:17:29] <Teknomancer> Ingenu: VirtualBox[14:17:47] <Teknomancer> we just released 2.0.4 :)[14:17:54] <Ingenu> so Haiku should be very fast with VirtualBox ?[14:18:05] <Ingenu> I'm already downloading it... we ? you're working on it ?[14:18:18] <Teknomancer> I don't know, it ran a bit sluggish last time I tried it[14:18:23] <Teknomancer> yes[14:18:47] <Ingenu> BeOS & sluggish can't be used in the same sentence, it's not right :p[14:19:07] <Teknomancer> yeah I know, i still didnt try Haiku on real hardware[14:20:26] <Ingenu> me neither[14:20:45] <Ingenu> last time I tried (long ago) Haiku was fast in Qemu so I did not bother installing it[14:21:05] <Ingenu> but it was extremely slow just now :([14:21:16] <Teknomancer> maybe a bit of code was added[14:21:17] <Teknomancer> ;)[14:24:31] <Ingenu> mmh[14:24:36] <Ingenu> gonna try Virtual Box[14:24:42] <Ingenu> will blame you if not satisfied :p[14:24:47] <Teknomancer> haha[14:28:40] <Franxico> did anyone try NetSurf in Haiku?[14:28:41] *** anarchos has quit IRC[14:28:57] *** Schmedly3D has joined #haiku[14:29:01] *** Schmedly3D has left #haiku[14:29:35] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[14:33:47] *** miqlas-Haiku-pre has joined #haiku[14:33:54] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> Hello![14:34:11] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> Is somebody have netpositive 2?[14:34:17] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> I need this for something.[14:34:45] *** xoblite has quit IRC[14:36:19] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[14:37:50] <Franxico> miqlas-Haiku-pre NetSurf won't do the job? ;)[14:39:59] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> Franxico, no. NS don't have this feature, that i need.[14:40:21] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> If i remember correctly only the Net+ have the required feature.[14:40:44] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> Firefox gives PANIC if i try to open an ftp url.[14:41:11] <Franxico> hm[14:41:34] <Franxico> i'm using VMWare[14:41:56] <Franxico> so I can't mount BeOS partition[14:42:54] <miqlas-Haiku-pre> Nobody have the Net+ binary?[14:43:10] *** miqlas-Haiku-pre has quit IRC[14:43:11] <DeadYak> not me[14:44:15] <Hoern> oops, too late - I had[14:44:38] <Franxico> there's the 3.03 at BeShare[14:45:01] <Franxico> i told him[14:46:25] <Hoern> ok[14:46:27] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[14:46:45] *** BuildFactory has quit IRC[14:49:22] <miqlas> I have a good wallpaper for the Haiku fans, You can get it here: http://noob.hu/07/1027/cickosneni_1280.jpg[14:49:27] <miqlas> I hope You like it.[14:50:29] <Ingenu> Teknomancer : no blaming, it works nicely :)[14:50:55] <Teknomancer> Ingenu: good :)[14:51:53] *** VinDuv|Haiku has joined #haiku[14:59:52] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[15:02:02] <Franxico> Teknomancer VirtualBox is better than VMWare?[15:03:01] <Teknomancer> Franxico: depends, but its definitely far easier to install and use[15:05:18] <Franxico> Teknomancer it can run VMWare images, is it right?[15:05:32] <Ingenu> yes[15:05:32] <Teknomancer> it supports .vmdk files, yes.[15:05:39] <Franxico> cool[15:05:44] <Franxico> :)[15:06:04] <Franxico> VMWare is a huge app[15:06:34] <Franxico> i'll give a try to VirtualBox[15:09:08] <Franxico> miqlas FireFTP add-on seems to work nice in Firefox[15:10:13] <miqlas> Please, try to open ftp://beos.hu in simple FF.[15:10:29] <miqlas> I get KDL when i opened this url.[15:11:30] <Ingenu> works ok for ff3 on vista[15:11:39] <DeadYak> Ingenu: he meant try it in Haiku[15:11:49] <DeadYak> miqlas: tried a newer revision? there's been a few hundred since 28283[15:12:06] <Franxico> miqlas opens fine here[15:12:09] <DeadYak> FTP in firefox worked ok for me last night anyways[15:12:21] <miqlas> i can't try it with newer version, because i lost my flashdrive :([15:12:38] <Franxico> 2.0.0.17[15:12:47] <DeadYak> Franxico: I meant of Haiku[15:12:51] *** xxploit has quit IRC[15:12:59] <Franxico> yes, i'm in Haiku[15:13:01] <miqlas> No, i tested only with 2.0.0.12 and R28283.[15:13:16] <Franxico> latest Senryu[15:13:25] <Franxico> R28327[15:13:42] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[15:13:57] <miqlas> I can't overwrite Haiku in Haiku, then i can' update now...[15:14:16] <miqlas> I tested the overwriting: crash.[15:14:27] <miqlas> Maybe the kernel don't like it.[15:14:27] *** xxploit has joined #haiku[15:15:01] <Franxico> hm don't think overwriting is a good idea :)[15:16:13] *** senry-user has quit IRC[15:16:15] <miqlas> Yeah, not so.[15:16:25] <DeadYak> yeah, you can't overwrite a running image like that because the files are memory mapped[15:17:46] *** Ingenu is now known as IngenuAWAY[15:21:15] *** VinDuv|Haiku has quit IRC[15:21:34] <helf> can you upload files via ftp in firefox?[15:21:44] <helf> I've never tried[15:24:51] <DeadYak> dunno, I generally just use ssh/scp here[15:25:23] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[15:25:30] <CIA-60> axeld * r28343 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages: * Updated BePDF to the latest available package (1.1.0b1).[15:27:36] <Franxico> cool ClipUp works great in Haiku :D[15:27:41] <Franxico> i love that app[15:27:46] <Teknomancer> ClipUp is cool :)[15:28:18] <Franxico> =D[15:28:37] <AlienSoldier> was liking previous version better, the custom GUI is slowing it too much[15:28:40] <Franxico> should be part of it ;)[15:28:41] <Teknomancer> i think i will opensource Beezer, if I don't have time to fix the damn crashes[15:28:57] <Teknomancer> AlienSoldier: i think you can turn off the custom GUI animations[15:29:03] <DeadYak> I forget, ClipUp?[15:29:12] <Teknomancer> DeadYak: multi-clipboard deskbar replicant[15:29:28] <AlienSoldier> Teknomancer i don't know how[15:29:34] <DeadYak> ah[15:29:35] <DeadYak> different[15:29:48] <Teknomancer> AlienSoldier: did you check in the Preferences?[15:29:54] <Teknomancer> of the app i mean,[15:30:06] <AlienSoldier> yes[15:30:21] <Teknomancer> then probably you can't, i thought it always had the anims.[15:30:29] <Franxico> version 2.0.5 is a little bit slower indeed[15:31:15] <Franxico> DeadYak try it :) you won't regret![15:31:17] <AlienSoldier> one replicant i like a lot is SVN, can't live without it[15:31:32] <AlienSoldier> *SVM[15:31:42] <AlienSoldier> system volume monitor[15:31:56] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[15:31:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[15:32:03] <Franxico> Is ClipUp considered a replicant?[15:32:36] <AlienSoldier> i think so, it is in the deskbar[15:33:18] <CIA-60> axeld * r28344 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/fs/vfs.cpp:[15:33:18] <CIA-60> * fs_unmount() removed the vnodes of the fs_mount twice since r28215,[15:33:18] <CIA-60> triggering an assert.[15:33:43] <Franxico> ok[15:33:46] <Franxico> mmu_man salut![15:33:59] <DeadYak> Franxico: deskbar icons are also replicants, the only real difference is the way you go about adding them[15:34:29] <Franxico> mmu_man NetSurf from HaikuWare won't work before some changes[15:35:04] <helf> http://www.lge.com/products/model/detail/kf510.jhtml[15:35:15] <helf> lol, that is probably the WORST product video demo I've seen on a website[15:35:19] <mmu_man> is it the same as http://revolf.free.fr/beos/netsurf-bone.zip ?[15:35:30] <helf> The narrator soundsl ike he has something shoved up his butt the whole time[15:35:46] <Franxico> ah ok, I thought only apps that live in the desktop were replicants[15:36:07] <Franxico> mmu_man hm let me check[15:36:16] <DeadYak> Franxico: mm no, replicants are used all over the place[15:36:25] <DeadYak> Franxico: BeHappy for instance uses Net+ as a replicant for its HTML view[15:36:30] <DeadYak> (and thanks to mmu_man, NetSurf also)[15:36:59] <DeadYak> any app can have that functionality, just needs to add a replicant shelf[15:37:15] <AlienSoldier> that said i would like replican in deskbar to me more like the other. i guess they differentiated them to remove the little hand drager as creen estate was an issue[15:37:51] <AlienSoldier> *screen[15:38:28] <AlienSoldier> other than that, they all show the same in repliman[15:39:37] <mmu_man> Franxico the version before had libs in the app folder, and replicating failed due to that[15:40:06] <Franxico> mmu_man I saw another issue[15:40:12] <Franxico> I couldn't start it[15:40:38] <Franxico> I had to create a 'beos' subfolder, and move 'res' into it[15:41:28] <Franxico> just tried netsurf-bone.zip and that problem is there[15:41:51] <miqlas> Whats this "Feed Kit"? An feed reader? Maybe with BFS attributes? I hope so...[15:42:06] <DeadYak> miqlas: it's theoretically a framework for RSS feed reading[15:42:26] <DeadYak> iirc it grabs the feed in the form of bookmarks[15:43:12] <miqlas> I hope maybe we will get an mail-like feed support. Queryable feeds, with extra attributums.[15:43:34] <DeadYak> don't know how many extra attributes you could really put on a feed[15:44:04] <miqlas> And we don't need an feed reader more. The Mail or anything else can show it.. This is my dream :)[15:44:45] <miqlas> Time, link to the article, read status, etc...[15:44:48] <Franxico> mmu_man seems that the haikuware version is better than this one you send me lol[15:44:57] <mmu_man> how so ?[15:45:56] <mmu_man> you did not rename boot/apps/netsurf to something else, did you ?[15:45:57] <AlienSoldier> bepodder work well, but i would prefer it to me more like MDR than Beam[15:46:01] <mmu_man> the path is hardcoded[15:46:43] <mmu_man> if it doesn't find it it tries to use beos/res/ in the current folder for testing[15:47:39] *** xxploit has quit IRC[15:48:31] <Franxico> mmu_man no[15:48:44] <mmu_man> well maybe it was broken[15:48:52] <mmu_man> what's the pb with the new version ?[15:48:54] *** xxploit has joined #haiku[15:50:10] <Franxico> mmu_man I have "unable to open Messages file './beos/res/messages'.[15:50:41] <mmu_man> you did unzip it to the right folder, did you ?[15:51:15] <mmu_man> you have the correct zip at least ?[15:51:41] <Franxico> mmu_man ah ok, sorry, wrong folder[15:52:08] <mmu_man> I moved all other files to resources so it wouldn't matter but this one they require a path somewhere[15:52:11] <mmu_man> grrr[15:52:55] <Franxico> i was doing /boot/beos/apps[15:53:08] <Franxico> but i didn't know it was hardcoded anyway[15:53:42] *** tgiphil has quit IRC[15:54:02] *** hdanak has quit IRC[15:55:56] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[15:57:51] *** Begasus has quit IRC[15:58:23] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[15:59:33] *** petterhj has quit IRC[15:59:53] <Franxico> brb[16:01:20] *** xxploit has quit IRC[16:06:47] *** xxploit has joined #haiku[16:09:37] *** markos_ has quit IRC[16:10:57] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[16:18:03] *** Franxico has quit IRC[16:20:17] *** IngenuAWAY is now known as Ingenu[16:20:40] *** xoblite has joined #haiku[16:21:47] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[16:30:31] <CIA-60> axeld * r28345 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/storage/disk_device/DiskDevice.cpp: * Implemented Eject().[16:31:16] <mmu_man> hmm Tracker doesn't scale well, moving few files from a folder with 4000 files...[16:33:26] <CIA-60> axeld * r28346 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[16:33:26] <CIA-60> * Added functions FindPartitionByVolume() and FindPartitionByMountPoint()[16:33:26] <CIA-60> that conveniently bridge BVolumes/mount points with BPartitions.[16:33:26] <CIA-60> * Minor cleanup.[16:35:03] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[16:41:18] *** _Guma_ has joined #haiku[16:41:30] <CIA-60> axeld * r28347 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/tracker/AutoMounter.cpp:[16:41:30] <CIA-60> * _UnmountAndEjectVolume() now actually ejects the media, if configured, and[16:41:30] <CIA-60> possible, ie. if no other volumes are mounted on the device.[16:41:30] <CIA-60> * Fixed a operator precedence bug in GetSettings() when retrieving the mounted[16:41:30] <CIA-60> volume flags.[16:45:29] *** Franxico has joined #Haiku[16:45:58] <Franxico> Teknomancer howdy[16:46:06] <Teknomancer> hi Franxico[16:46:13] <Franxico> can't use network with VirtualBox[16:46:34] <Teknomancer> Franxico: which host, wat type of networking?[16:46:39] <Franxico> Haiku won't show any devices[16:46:56] <Teknomancer> you need to use e1000g (intel pro 1000) in VBox Network settings of the virtual machine[16:47:05] <Franxico> aaah ok[16:47:12] <Franxico> let me try again, thanks :)[16:47:12] <Teknomancer> by default it's "AMD PCnet" which I don't know if that works with Haiku[16:47:32] <Ingenu> no[16:47:36] <Ingenu> you need to set the intel NIC[16:47:59] <Ingenu> sound was horrible with AC97 and didn't work with SB16[16:48:26] *** boh666 has joined #haiku[16:48:28] <Ingenu> (and yes I only read the latest message of the log :p)[16:48:54] *** paul0 has quit IRC[16:50:01] *** Franxico has quit IRC[16:50:50] <Teknomancer> what was wrong with the sound?[16:52:20] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[16:53:07] *** franxico has joined #Haiku[16:53:22] <franxico> rock'n'roll, man :D[16:53:31] <Teknomancer> franxico: works?[16:53:37] <franxico> yeah :)[16:53:40] <Teknomancer> good[16:53:43] <Ingenu> it sounded like garbage[16:53:47] <Ingenu> like noise[16:53:57] <Teknomancer> Ingenu: you mean kept clipping[16:54:02] <franxico> no sound yet[16:54:11] <Teknomancer> thats not normal[16:54:12] <Ingenu> you have to enable the soundcard yourself[16:54:18] <Monni> saying "rock'n'roll" is so old... even Japanese say "Lock & LOL" nowadays...[16:54:43] <Teknomancer> Ingenu: vista or XP ?[16:54:47] <Ingenu> Vista x64[16:54:55] <Teknomancer> the worst of the windows distros :)[16:54:56] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[16:55:03] <Teknomancer> vbox has known problems with x64 vista[16:55:10] <franxico> it's enabled, i put ICH AC97[16:55:26] <franxico> i'm in vista x32[16:55:41] <_Guma_> I also do not have network on vbox on Vista 64[16:56:11] <franxico> Monni i'm old :P[16:56:13] <franxico> hehe[16:56:32] <franxico> let me try another sound card[16:56:34] <mmu_man> GRRR someone is again spoofing my email for his spam...[16:56:35] <Monni> Being old is so relative...[16:56:46] <mmu_man> 600 "undelivered" reports or so[16:56:52] *** franxico has quit IRC[16:56:58] <DeadYak> mmu_man: that happens to my work address all the time :/[16:57:12] <mmu_man> it's getting annoying[16:58:01] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[16:58:15] <Monni> if checking mail doesn't take atleast 6 hours. it's not really _checking_ ;)[17:00:26] <CIA-60> axeld * r28348 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/disk/scsi/scsi_cd/scsi_cd.cpp:[17:00:26] <CIA-60> * Don't try to update the DMAResource in case there is no medium (also saves[17:00:26] <CIA-60> a panic when ejecting a disc, since updating DMAResource isn't implemented[17:00:26] <CIA-60> yet...).[17:01:34] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[17:01:44] <Ingenu> mmh[17:01:51] <Ingenu> anyway to play internet radio in Haiku ?[17:02:17] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[17:02:18] <DeadYak> what, like shoutcast?[17:02:32] <Ingenu> like what I play in winamp[17:02:42] <DeadYak> Soundplay and CL-Amp can handle those 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Tried all combinations[17:04:05] <franxico> maybe Vista[17:04:25] <Teknomancer> franxico: try someother guest,[17:04:40] <Ingenu> hoped VLC or mediaplayer would[17:04:42] <Teknomancer> probably easier to try playing sound from a DSL iso[17:04:51] <Ingenu> mmh Teknomancer I blame you ![17:04:56] <Teknomancer> :)[17:05:14] <Ingenu> I'm not sure how to make Haiku find out I did insert a CD in VirtualBox[17:05:35] <DeadYak> Ingenu: vlc might, I dunno[17:06:08] <Teknomancer> Ingenu: it should pick it up from the mount menu[17:06:28] <Ingenu> work around rebooting OS worked[17:06:34] <Ingenu> yeah it didn't show up[17:06:37] <Teknomancer> cd mounting works for every other guest, even solaris 10[17:06:47] <franxico> Teknomancer works with VMWare[17:06:54] <Teknomancer> franxico: which?[17:07:00] <franxico> Player[17:07:07] <Teknomancer> what works you mean?[17:07:10] <Teknomancer> sound or CD mounting?[17:07:11] <franxico> let me see the version[17:07:17] <franxico> sound in Haiku[17:08:00] <franxico> vmware 2.0.5[17:08:47] <Teknomancer> mounting ISo works here[17:08:52] <Teknomancer> Haiku guest[17:09:26] <Teknomancer> and trying to load the CD paniced Haiku[17:09:27] <Teknomancer> KDL[17:10:18] <Teknomancer> ASSERT FAILED: src/system/kernel/fs/vfs.cpp:5376: entry->d_reclen >= sizeof(struct dirent)[17:12:47] <Teknomancer> Haiku doesn't yet have ACPI shutdown right ?[17:13:25] <DeadYak> it does afaik[17:14:42] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[17:15:15] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[17:18:20] *** AndrevS has joined #haiku[17:20:49] *** Megaf has joined #Haiku[17:22:13] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[17:26:56] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:28:46] *** Megaf has quit IRC[17:30:13] *** xoblite has quit IRC[17:32:27] *** franxico has quit IRC[17:33:07] *** Dane_ has joined #Haiku[17:34:25] *** xxploit has quit IRC[17:36:28] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[17:39:20] *** xxploit has joined #haiku[17:39:50] <helf> new romero zombie movie being filmed! yay! :)[17:40:18] <Monni> how many zombies are they going to harm while filming? ;)[17:40:31] <helf> hopefully lots[17:41:03] <helf> this one is going to take place 3 weeks after the outbreak on a secluded island with some survivors[17:41:39] * JonathanThompson laughs at helf[17:41:52] *** Hoern has quit IRC[17:41:58] * Monni laughs at JonathanThompson[17:42:02] *** markos_ has quit IRC[17:42:35] * JonathanThompson laughs at Monni, just like everyone else does[17:42:45] <helf> haha[17:42:48] <Monni> I'm such a joke, I know...[17:44:21] *** boh666 has left #haiku[17:44:41] <CIA-60> stippi * r28349 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/input/PathList.cpp:[17:44:41] <CIA-60> Init the ref_count with 1, since the first AddPath() would leave it[17:44:41] <CIA-60> at 0. A single AddPath()+RemovePath() would therefore leave a not[17:44:41] <CIA-60> anymore needed path_entry(), while a AddPath()+AddPath()+RemovePath()[17:44:41] <CIA-60> would remove/delete the path_entry while it was actually still used.[17:46:57] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[17:48:10] <Lelldorin1> hi all[17:52:41] <CIA-60> stippi * r28350 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/input/usb_hid/ (HIDDevice.cpp HIDDevice.h KeyboardDevice.cpp): (log message trimmed)[17:52:41] <CIA-60> * When a device closes, delete the transfer semaphore, so that threads blocking[17:52:41] <CIA-60> on it are unblocked and get an error.[17:52:41] <CIA-60> * Make fOpen volatile to prevent unwanted caching effects when checking it from[17:52:43] <CIA-60> different threads. (?)[17:52:45] <CIA-60> * Check IsOpen() in the KeyboardDevice class in more acquire_sem_etc() return[17:52:47] <CIA-60> cases, analogous to the MouseDevice class.[17:55:57] *** vbmithr has quit IRC[17:56:16] <Lelldorin1> is mkisofs inculded in haiku next time? have anyone a compiled version of it for haiku?[18:02:17] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[18:02:22] *** xoblite has joined #haiku[18:02:35] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[18:06:51] <Begasus> cya peeps[18:07:04] *** Begasus has quit IRC[18:15:08] *** adb has joined #haiku[18:17:17] *** luroh has joined #haiku[18:18:38] * tqh is bored[18:18:47] <miqlas> My new desk: http://noob.hu/07/1027/miqlas.jpg[18:18:50] * Monni is bored too[18:19:46] *** rsanches has quit IRC[18:19:57] <mmu_man> do *not* shake your screen :D[18:20:25] * mmu_man has headache[18:20:32] <DeadYak> nice hostname :P[18:21:10] <Lelldorin1> hui[18:25:14] <tqh> ah 'the woman loves wall' scenario. nothing new :)[18:26:41] <Monni> I like mine more... shows what's the real place for women...[18:27:00] <miqlas> kitchen?[18:27:06] <Monni> outer space ;)[18:27:19] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[18:27:35] <Teknomancer> send them back where they came from![18:27:49] <Teknomancer> brb, switching comps[18:27:52] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[18:28:16] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[18:31:11] *** vbmithr has joined #haiku[18:31:21] <Monni> http://www.kpopmusic.co.uk/monni/YounhaWallpaper1.jpg[18:33:16] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[18:49:42] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[19:00:53] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[19:02:47] <MindChild> What is with the wallpapers with 11-year-old-looking asian girls[19:02:50] <MindChild> it isnt cute[19:02:52] <MindChild> it isnt funny[19:02:55] <MindChild> it isnt cool[19:02:58] <MindChild> it is stupid[19:04:08] <dr_evil> I thought that was a boy on that picture[19:04:45] <MindChild> Well then, super doubly what the fook[19:05:04] *** Master199 has quit IRC[19:08:07] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[19:08:24] <mmu_man> ohh, nice place http://www.x.org/docs/[19:08:35] <mmu_man> http://www.x.org/docs/SM/ lol[19:15:17] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[19:21:09] *** daste has quit IRC[19:23:25] *** AndrevS has quit IRC[19:23:31] *** xoblite has quit IRC[19:26:41] *** petterhj has quit IRC[19:27:15] *** Master199 has quit IRC[19:31:00] *** Monni has left #Haiku[19:35:20] *** franxico has joined #Haiku[19:35:53] <franxico> yo![19:43:46] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[19:45:19] *** Master199 has quit IRC[19:45:37] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[19:45:39] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[19:48:12] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[19:49:38] <plfiorini> hi[19:52:03] *** leszek has joined #haiku[19:52:18] <leszek> hi[19:54:05] *** markos_ has quit IRC[19:56:42] <replaced> hi[19:59:02] *** Styrbjorn has quit IRC[19:59:31] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[20:00:56] *** Styrbjorn has joined #haiku[20:07:42] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[20:11:50] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[20:12:15] <Teknomancer> cu[20:12:15] *** Teknomancer has left #haiku[20:18:42] *** korli has joined #haiku[20:18:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[20:29:10] * JonathanThompson uses a cat-stretching device to stretch DeadYak to PI times normal length, to see if he gets more RADical[20:29:39] *** TheNerd has joined #haiku[20:35:57] *** AndrevS has joined #haiku[20:42:36] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[20:45:47] *** frankps has joined #haiku[20:47:03] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[20:47:19] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[20:54:53] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[20:59:28] *** korli has quit IRC[21:01:08] <DeadYak> JonathanThompson: that was a terrible pun :P[21:01:23] * JonathanThompson bow-wows[21:01:34] <JonathanThompson> Is there any other kind of pun???[21:08:18] *** Mazon has quit IRC[21:08:19] *** M_199 has joined #haiku[21:09:28] *** Mazon has joined #haiku[21:10:20] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[21:13:33] *** leszek has quit IRC[21:20:13] *** frankps has left #haiku[21:23:11] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[21:24:10] <erikl> hmm, when I added the deviceid and such[21:24:25] *** Master199 has quit IRC[21:24:29] <erikl> the HSYNC and VSYNC is messed up. :([21:24:53] <DeadYak> probably needs different logic for programming the CRTC on that card then[21:25:26] <erikl> oh snap.[21:28:58] *** [r4] has joined #Haiku[21:31:42] *** [r4] has quit IRC[21:32:00] *** atomozero has joined #haiku[21:33:03] *** M199 has joined #haiku[21:45:55] <franxico> hi atomozero[21:45:59] <franxico> are you from Italy?[21:46:23] <atomozero> yes[21:46:35] <atomozero> :)[21:46:46] <franxico> cool, could you help me with something?[21:47:24] <franxico> I have a friend in Italy who is looking for an internet provider[21:47:31] <atomozero> mm[21:47:37] <franxico> google only finds Tiscali[21:47:43] <plfiorini> not vodafone or tiscali[21:47:51] <plfiorini> or tele2[21:48:01] <franxico> is there another one?[21:48:11] <franxico> ah tele2[21:48:12] <plfiorini> alice is working good here[21:48:20] <atomozero> alice is good[21:48:25] <franxico> she wants free phone[21:48:26] <atomozero> ngi is good[21:48:30] <plfiorini> a person told me that tele2 filters emule :P[21:48:47] <atomozero> tiscali and tele2 is cheep[21:48:52] <franxico> hm[21:49:10] *** M_199 has quit IRC[21:49:42] <franxico> i'll take a note[21:49:44] <franxico> prego![21:49:48] <franxico> :D[21:49:53] <atomozero> infostrata is good[21:50:01] <atomozero> you welcome![21:51:06] *** nielx has joined #haiku[21:51:17] <nielx> Evening![21:51:25] <plfiorini> hi nielx[21:51:37] <AndrevS> hej[21:52:13] <franxico> atomozero plfiorini none of those has international free phone?[21:52:31] <atomozero> mmmm i don't think[21:52:38] <atomozero> skype?[21:52:40] <franxico> aaah ok[21:53:44] <franxico> in Frace i can call for free 70 countries :)[21:54:02] <MindChild> I can call anywhere in the world on my cell phone for free[21:54:04] <plfiorini> in Italy you can call for free only the police number :)[21:54:05] <MindChild> $40 a month[21:54:13] <franxico> plfiorini loool[21:54:27] <franxico> MindChild wow[21:54:56] <franxico> MindChild which country and which operator?[21:54:57] <plfiorini> franxico, maybe 3 has some good prices but you are forced to buy their phone[21:55:14] <franxico> 3?[21:55:25] <plfiorini> franxico, my motorola (which i bought for 100 EUR) is good enough - i don't want another phone[21:55:37] <plfiorini> 3 is an operator[21:55:50] <MindChild> USA, Metro PCS[21:55:53] <franxico> 3.it ?[21:56:15] <plfiorini> http://www.tre.it/public/home.php[21:56:21] <plfiorini> tre => three[21:56:37] <atomozero> h3g[21:57:10] <franxico> thanks![22:03:55] *** M199 has quit IRC[22:04:23] *** oco has joined #haiku[22:06:03] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[22:07:13] *** senry-user has quit IRC[22:07:20] *** [r4] has joined #Haiku[22:15:59] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[22:22:29] *** Korli has joined #haiku[22:22:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Korli[22:24:49] *** [r4] has quit IRC[22:34:41] *** duaneb has joined #haiku[22:36:15] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:39:23] *** 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published devices for[23:19:07] *** zizban has joined #haiku[23:20:09] *** Hoern has joined #Haiku[23:22:35] *** redb1ue has joined #haiku[23:22:39] *** genkie has quit IRC[23:23:28] *** genkie has joined #haiku[23:26:04] *** stpere has quit IRC[23:27:40] *** nielx has quit IRC[23:33:53] *** genkie has quit IRC[23:33:59] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[23:34:05] <mmadia> hrmm.. in r28327, deskbar retains its original XY coordinates when switching to a higher resolution.[23:34:17] *** stpere has joined #haiku[23:35:07] *** anarchos has joined #haiku[23:37:29] *** digitalteufel has joined #haiku[23:38:58] <CIA-60> stippi * r28352 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/input_server/devices/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)[23:38:58] <CIA-60> Sorry for the confusing patch...[23:38:58] <CIA-60> * Made KeyboardInputDevice more similar to MouseInputDevice, the object to[23:38:58] <CIA-60> track individual keyboards has become the class KeyboardDevice. Moved[23:38:58] <CIA-60> much functionality that used to be in KeyboardInputDevice into[23:39:01] <CIA-60> KeyboardDevice.[23:39:04] <CIA-60> Functionally, it should still be the same, but there are two important[23:41:53] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[23:41:56] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:48:06] <mmadia> in the Backgrounds preflet, if the color for the Current Workspace differs from any other workspace: [Apply] should be enabled when selecting "All Workspaces" from the drop down menu.[23:48:07] *** duaneb has quit IRC[23:49:08] <mmadia> in r28327 the observed behavior is having [Apply] remain greyed out.[23:58:00] *** wildur has quit IRC[23:58:12] *** Hoern has quit IRC