October 26, 2008 
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October 26, 2008 [00:00:44] *** paul0 has quit IRC[00:01:19] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[00:03:49] <leszek> gn8@all[00:04:02] *** leszek has quit IRC[00:08:53] *** Duggan2 has joined #haiku[00:09:34] *** Duggan has quit IRC[00:09:38] *** Duggan2 is now known as Duggan[00:11:10] *** Master199 has quit IRC[00:22:45] *** rdmr has quit IRC[00:25:16] *** johndrinkwater has joined #haiku[00:26:00] <johndrinkwater> much better.[00:33:55] <AlienSoldier> mmu_man ?[00:34:00] <mmu_man> ?[00:34:37] <AlienSoldier> mmu_man i identified a bit my problem, seem over 50% of volume i already start to get saturation...[00:34:52] <AlienSoldier> could it be that OSS give to much gain, or the node?[00:34:55] <mmu_man> ah, well it happens with native drivers as wel[00:35:02] <mmu_man> maybe[00:35:05] <mmu_man> checked the node mixer ?[00:35:09] <AlienSoldier> it was feeling just like stutter[00:35:21] <mmu_man> cause there is both the system mixer and the hw mixer that can change that[00:35:28] <AlienSoldier> vlc is lot better now, mediaplayer still skip[00:35:38] <mmu_man> media player doesn't like 1s of latency[00:35:43] <mmu_man> or is it vlc ?[00:35:45] <mmu_man> can't recall[00:35:55] <mmu_man> but it should be less now[00:36:39] <AlienSoldier> right now as it is, i have the main level at 50% and vlc at 100%[00:37:49] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[00:37:54] <mmu_man> beware, vlc has strange volume control[00:37:58] *** aphedox has quit IRC[00:38:01] <mmu_man> halfway is actually 100%[00:39:36] <thotypous> 200% rocks[00:39:49] <Duggan> this one goes to 11[00:40:01] *** Guest92343 has quit IRC[00:40:18] <thotypous> mmu_man, why does the haiku's oss have such a high latency?[00:41:03] <mmu_man> that was to counter some bad scheduling I think[00:41:03] <AlienSoldier> wow, gain setting is option gallore compared to R5 :)[00:41:13] *** scottmc has joined #haiku[00:44:06] <AlienSoldier> i recalibrated the sound card to do saturation only in the red bar now, nice setting to be able to fiddle with[00:44:43] <AlienSoldier> i also notice the deskbar knob volume and the mixer one are not real time linked[00:44:50] <thotypous> mmu_man, bad scheduling?[00:45:19] <AlienSoldier> and the numeric display overlay of the volume is not proprely displayed[00:45:50] *** aphedox has joined #haiku[00:45:54] <AlienSoldier> and the sound when releasing the deskbar volume don't "beep" :)[00:46:23] <scottmc> anyone here have access to adding files to haiku-files.org?[00:46:32] <mmu_man> because there is no "beep" system sound set[00:47:42] <AlienSoldier> i usually like it to quicly test if a beos system have sound[00:48:39] <scottmc> i sometimes get sound in vmware on ubuntu, using OSS but there's lots of static and the playback rate is too fast.[00:49:11] <scottmc> and in both SDL and Allegro sound tests the sound tests lag badly[00:49:34] <thotypous> vmware has crazy timers[00:49:44] <thotypous> guest clock often runs faster than host clock[00:49:45] <mmu_man> I never got OSS to work in qemu[00:50:06] <scottmc> yeah, my system clock in vmware on ubuntu lags or goes too fast...[00:50:31] <thotypous> it works here in vmware, only with some popling[00:50:42] <scottmc> right now it's only behind by 1 minute, sometimes it get's a few hours ahead[00:51:41] <geist> are you sure your computer isn't travelling at near-relativistic speeds?[00:52:16] *** paul0 has quit IRC[00:53:10] <mmu_man> cause as is stated in the BeBook, Be still didn't master the technics of time travel[00:53:24] <scottmc> it was nice to see that building and testing of cmake went from 200+ minutes to just 37 minutes on recent haiku builds.[00:53:42] <geist> yeah, it was generally okay to deal with planet bound computers back in 1999[00:53:45] * mmu_man pets the int32 casts of cpu freq in BeOS... that one was funny to fix[00:53:46] <geist> but time as moved on[00:54:07] <mmu_man> time :)[00:54:17] <Duggan> I found a bug...[00:54:24] <geist> scottmc: yeah, now that ingo is getting into redoing a bunch of the simplistic algorithms in newos it should start seeing a speed boost left and right[00:54:36] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[00:54:37] <Duggan> my computer caught fire and the value if is_computer_on_fire() didn't change[00:54:47] <Duggan> somebody might wanna fix that[00:54:53] <geist> i tried to design it as self contained as possible, so that sections should be replaced with smarter stuff[00:55:28] <geist> design wise, much of newos is sound, but algorithmically there is a lot of work[00:55:50] <scottmc> cool. looking forware to further improvements. it's getting there.[00:56:04] <geist> i feel good that a lot of what ingo and crew are doing are pretty much what i would have done as well[00:56:05] <scottmc> i gotta run... another kids halloween party to go to.[00:57:03] *** acidx has quit IRC[00:57:28] <Duggan> hey geist...[00:58:00] <Duggan> I'm looking at possibly starting an OS soon for pretty much the same reason you are... got any tips? lol[00:58:22] <AlienSoldier> 3 VLC playing music at the same time seem to be the top (of course i stress test the hardware a lot, just a old 512M seagate hd)[01:02:14] *** EuanK has joined #haiku[01:02:32] <AlienSoldier> soundplay indeed does not work[01:02:58] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[01:03:32] <AlienSoldier> watched the new splatterhouse trailer in haiku, man they see to have made a mess of that game[01:03:39] <AlienSoldier> *seem[01:04:45] <AlienSoldier> even if i like all the new audio setting, i can't help to find them confusing/overwhelming if i put myself into a newbie skull[01:05:24] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[01:05:30] <mmu_man> AlienSoldier use an old one[01:05:39] <AlienSoldier> perhaps some more instant "visualisation" could be done eventually[01:05:47] <AlienSoldier> old one?[01:06:06] <AlienSoldier> ho, old soundplay?[01:06:40] <mmu_man> 4.7.2 works fine[01:06:52] <AlienSoldier> ok[01:08:03] <AlienSoldier> launching firefox while sound is playing is reacting better than i tought[01:08:09] <CIA-60> aldeck * r28328 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/filetypes/ApplicationTypeWindow.cpp:[01:08:09] <CIA-60> * Enable keyboard navigation on the long description BTextView.[01:08:09] <CIA-60> * Use a derived text view that filters the tab key to avoid interupting tab[01:08:09] <CIA-60> navigation while in focus/editing. Closes #2321[01:08:09] *** paul0 has quit IRC[01:08:51] <AlienSoldier> does any ram drive work yet?[01:09:22] <AlienSoldier> i don't think AGMS one work in haiku[01:09:57] *** slaad has joined #haiku[01:12:25] <mmu_man> hmm ramdisks should work[01:12:35] <mmu_man> ram fs likely not unless ported to the new fs api[01:13:21] <Duggan> I thought ramdisks were the major thing holding back live cds?[01:14:13] <AlienSoldier> i don't know if it's having an amiga background, but i use ram disk a lot in all kind of situation[01:21:55] <DeadYak> nah, only thing holding back live CDs is lack of an I/O sched algorithm to deal with them efficiently, right now accessing a CD's slow as hell[01:22:46] *** adb has quit IRC[01:25:14] * slaad wedgies DeadYak[01:26:03] *** Duggan has quit IRC[01:26:21] * DeadYak noogies slaad[01:34:45] *** adb has joined #haiku[01:53:53] *** wildur has quit IRC[01:54:46] * JonathanThompson slam-dunks DeadYak[01:58:41] * DeadYak blinks[01:58:53] <DeadYak> why am I being slam dunked? :)[01:59:00] * JonathanThompson props open eyes with cat's claws[01:59:07] <JonathanThompson> You were looking too bouncy :P[01:59:16] <DeadYak> :P[01:59:48] <JonathanThompson> This is one of those Saturdays... nothing I've planned has gone according to plan.[02:00:04] <DeadYak> oh?[02:00:14] <JonathanThompson> Nothing fatal, thankfully.[02:00:27] <JonathanThompson> Just one of those days I wish I could go back and sleep in.[02:00:34] <JonathanThompson> But that wasn't even possible ;)[02:00:53] <JonathanThompson> I had planned on doing a run with the trainer at 9 a.m. this morning, but my body was giving me unhappy signs.[02:01:20] <JonathanThompson> So, trying to sleep in? Nah: the Starbucks outside my apartment windows was using a leaf blower at 7:30 a.m. besides.[02:01:32] <JonathanThompson> As I said, one of those days :P[02:01:39] *** EuanK has left #haiku[02:01:45] *** EuanK has joined #haiku[02:02:09] <JonathanThompson> I was hoping to drop my car off to get some items worked on, but that didn't work as hoped, either, so that'll be next week.[02:02:10] *** adb has quit IRC[02:02:28] <JonathanThompson> Then I'd hoped to be able to get new glasses, and that didn't work out as intended, either.[02:02:42] <JonathanThompson> Then I had intended to get donuts, but when I got there, they had closed early.[02:03:11] <umccullough> well, at least you're successfully sitting here explaining it all to us :)[02:03:20] <umccullough> you could have lost your power and/or internet connection as well, just to spite you[02:03:31] <JonathanThompson> Then I hoped to drop in on a friend, and not only was he not home, but the whole house was locked up, and when I finally talked to him, I learned he had fallen back into using cocaine, and was at a friend's place.[02:03:42] <JonathanThompson> Or have another crane fall on me :P[02:04:15] *** adb has joined #haiku[02:04:45] <JonathanThompson> Oh, my old dual P3-450, I had checked right before typing in here: it rebooted with no reason I'm aware of with certainty (perhaps the critical security patch for Windows, which probably applied as well to Win2K3R2?)[02:04:57] <JonathanThompson> So, I've still got power and an internet connection :P[02:05:15] <JonathanThompson> (For now!)[02:05:25] * DeadYak pets umccullough[02:05:40] * JonathanThompson stretches umccullough with a cat-stretching device[02:05:49] <JonathanThompson> I'll make you purrfect yet, umccullough ![02:05:54] * DeadYak groans[02:06:02] *** DGMurdockIII has joined #Haiku[02:07:11] * JonathanThompson hopes DeadYak writes books and has a DeadYak on the cover to make them distinct for branding[02:07:45] <DeadYak> why would I write books? :)[02:07:50] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[02:07:57] <JonathanThompson> Why do you write code? :)[02:08:21] <umccullough> mmu_man, can the gcc4 cross compiler be setup easily to do x64?[02:08:33] <umccullough> x86-64[02:08:43] <CIA-60> aldeck * r28329 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/tracker/TrackerScripting.cpp:[02:08:43] <CIA-60> * Added support to show tracker preferences via scripting. This will allow accessing[02:08:43] <CIA-60> tracker prefs via the preferences menu using a one line script: 'hey Tracker DO[02:08:43] <CIA-60> Preferences'. Not sure how to set the icon of the script with the build system, feel[02:08:43] <CIA-60> free to do it. See enhancement #2365[02:09:02] <thotypous> scripting? which script language is used?[02:09:08] <DeadYak> hey.[02:09:12] <DeadYak> via a bash shell script[02:09:15] <thotypous> ah[02:09:16] <thotypous> :D[02:09:20] <JonathanThompson> Exactly.[02:09:23] <DeadYak> more or less all BeOS apps can be manipulated to some extent that way[02:09:34] <mmu_man> umccullough I suppose you must add the needed files[02:09:41] <DeadYak> for instance, open a terminal and type hey Workspaces Set Look of Window 0 to 2[02:09:46] <DeadYak> assuming Workspaces is running[02:10:34] <mmu_man> thotypous BeOS had scripting way before Linux got D-bus or whatever :)[02:10:42] <mmu_man> (but after AREXX :)[02:10:55] <thotypous> :D[02:11:03] <DeadYak> I thought D-bus was more for component embedding[02:11:16] <thotypous> but dbus and that stuff is hackish[02:11:24] <thotypous> beos is beautiful[02:12:17] * JonathanThompson wonders what the alliterative 3 words for Haiku will be[02:12:32] <JonathanThompson> H is H[02:12:43] <JonathanThompson> <fill in the H___>[02:12:46] *** DGMurdockIII has left #Haiku[02:13:05] * mmu_man throws JonathanThompson into KDL to play hangman[02:13:31] * JonathanThompson guesses the letters for a bizarre word in english that trips up most people in hangman, "Rhythm"[02:13:43] <JonathanThompson> Who could ask for anything more???[02:14:20] <Duggan> lol[02:14:43] <Duggan> except Rhythm starts with an R.... H___ starts with an H[02:14:45] <Duggan> D:[02:14:47] <Duggan> oops :D[02:14:50] <thotypous> "haiku" in portuguese sounds like "there is ass", so we call the japanese poems "haikai" here[02:15:32] <JonathanThompson> Who said the two were connected, Duggan ? :)[02:16:06] <Duggan> you guessed the letters of a bizarre word in english that nobody asked for?[02:16:10] <Duggan> lol[02:16:20] * JonathanThompson is disappointed that Duggan didn't seem to catch the joke[02:16:42] <Duggan> ok yeah I didnt, but I got rhythm[02:16:46] <Duggan> you got rhythm[02:16:52] <JonathanThompson> I actually played a recent game of Hang Man with someone that used that word, and I was the only one of the group to guess it :P[02:17:02] <Duggan> oh lol[02:17:29] <JonathanThompson> By itself, it's a nasty one to plop on people playing that game, because the closest thing to a vowel is y.[02:17:31] *** mmadia_zzz has quit IRC[02:17:37] <Duggan> gypsy[02:17:52] <JonathanThompson> And for 6 letters, there's almost nothing in english that has one vowel ;)[02:18:12] <Duggan> 7 letters....[02:18:14] <Duggan> rhythms[02:18:25] <JonathanThompson> Ok, so blowing people's minds, "Gypsy Rhythms"[02:18:30] <Duggan> lol yeah[02:18:40] <Duggan> Gypsy's Rhythms[02:18:42] *** ecl has joined #haiku[02:18:56] <JonathanThompson> Or "Gypsy Rhythm's Bookkeepers"[02:19:14] <ecl> hi youngs[02:19:22] <Duggan> if you want to add a proper noun, you can make it "Rhythm Gypsy's Rhythms"[02:19:24] <Duggan> greetings[02:20:20] <Duggan> thats 19 letters excluding spaces lol[02:21:33] <Duggan> well, back to my projects I guess..... stupid A*....[02:22:07] <JonathanThompson> "Rhythm Gypsy's Rhythmic Gymnastics Possessive Bookkeepers" :P[02:22:50] <JonathanThompson> "Sure, here's a couple of e's, hope this helps!"[02:23:22] <Duggan> Buffalo buffalo, Buffalo buffalo buffalo, buffalo Buffalo buffalo.[02:23:24] <JonathanThompson> Or throw the word "quaquaversally" into the mix.[02:23:42] <JonathanThompson> (It's a real word, I assure you!)[02:23:43] <Duggan> http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_buffalo[02:24:22] <JonathanThompson> The sort of word one my past roommates and I found while being poor students and *really* bored.[02:25:57] <JonathanThompson> Duggan: that's one of those sentences that'd absolutely trip up any AI ;)[02:26:08] <JonathanThompson> At least, definitely with speech recognition.[02:26:22] <JonathanThompson> Then there's the esau bit.[02:26:31] <Duggan> the esau one isn't that bad[02:27:01] <JonathanThompson> The Buffalo thing is much easier to remember off the top of your head, though :P[02:27:04] <Duggan> try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_while_John_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_a_better_effect_on_the_teacher[02:28:11] * JonathanThompson wonders why Weird Al hasn't incorporated all this insanity into a song yet[02:28:24] <DeadYak> hah[02:28:39] *** ecl has left #haiku[02:28:53] <Duggan> insanity!?[02:28:54] * mmu_man perfers "This song is just six words long"[02:29:04] <Duggan> lol mmu[02:29:47] <Duggan> JonathanThompson I'm surprised at you.... you mean to tell me that you think that something as simple as that would qualify as INSANITY!?[02:29:51] <Duggan> what's the world coming to :([02:29:55] <AlienSoldier> just gave some more attention to powermanga, game is LOT better than i initially tought[02:30:10] <AlienSoldier> second boss, is HARD[02:30:16] <JonathanThompson> It's all about the context, Duggan ;)[02:30:22] <Duggan> AlienSoldier got a link? lol[02:30:31] <AlienSoldier> Duggan got it from bebits[02:30:38] * JonathanThompson imagines it'd be great fun at a party where people are drunk/high to completely blow their minds with such things[02:30:44] <Duggan> ooooh ok, cool, I'll be sure to check it out, thanks[02:30:52] <AlienSoldier> it's like gallaga meet gradius meet xenon II[02:31:11] *** aldeck has quit IRC[02:31:15] * DeadYak ponders getting raped by Ikaruga[02:31:34] *** EuanK has joined #haiku[02:31:44] <AlienSoldier> now, if only it would have full screen option like kobodeluxe, that one have option galore[02:32:19] <AlienSoldier> DeadYak latest thunderfoce 5 video made me less wanting it[02:32:23] <AlienSoldier> *6[02:32:38] <AlienSoldier> seem more of the same as a saturn game[02:32:53] * JonathanThompson notes AlienSoldier rhyming[02:32:58] <AlienSoldier> gradius V will end up as the king of the ps2[02:33:11] <DeadYak> that game was impossible lol[02:33:20] <JonathanThompson> Insinuation Nation...[02:33:29] <JonathanThompson> Complete with inflation![02:33:41] <AlienSoldier> i'm good at them, that is why i challenge you to beat powermanga level 2 boss :)[02:33:51] <JonathanThompson> Made worse with conflagration ;)[02:33:59] <AlienSoldier> it's not really level 2, i don't quite get level yet, but it's the second boss[02:33:59] <DeadYak> AlienSoldier: can't try unfortunately[02:34:05] <JonathanThompson> (And a bit of desperation)[02:34:25] <JonathanThompson> And you end up with frustration.[02:34:42] <JonathanThompson> (Which is an unpleasant sensation)[02:35:23] <JonathanThompson> I'll stop this infestation ;)[02:35:40] <JonathanThompson> (Before I suffer a defenestration)[02:36:32] <AlienSoldier> JonathanThompson you sound liek LISP :P[02:36:35] <AlienSoldier> *like[02:37:00] <JonathanThompson> Lots of Insanely Silly Parentheses ? :)[02:37:31] *** EuanK has left #haiku[02:37:38] * JonathanThompson considers it'd be appropriate for someone that had to go through a lot of speech therapy as a kid to program in LISP as an adult[02:38:00] <DeadYak> hah.[02:38:30] <Duggan> I was looking for some games I've got on my other computer and for the life of me I can't find them[02:38:38] <Duggan> I'm a bit of a fan of vertical shooters myself...[02:38:47] <JonathanThompson> Can you find them for the life of someone else? :)[02:39:08] <mmu_man> [02:41] <nik1> aros is selfcompiling now :)[02:39:14] <mmu_man> \o/[02:39:20] <Duggan> depends, JonathanThompson[02:39:32] <JonathanThompson> (Sorry, all out)[02:40:16] <Duggan> for you? hell no... for Adriana Lima? .... I shall cause the earth to halt and there shalt no more be movement upon or within it until the time whence I find that which I seek...[02:40:46] <Duggan> neither breath shall be taken nor eye shall be blinked....[02:41:12] <Duggan> so yeah, it depends[02:43:13] <DeadYak> never heard of her[02:43:36] <Duggan> google[02:43:58] <DeadYak> did, don't recognize her either[02:44:06] <Duggan> http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=adriana+lima&gbv=2[02:44:11] <Duggan> oh ok, thats fine[02:44:29] <Duggan> she's my fiance, she just doesn't know it yet.... or me for that matter[02:44:33] <Duggan> lol[02:44:36] *** Stefan100 has quit IRC[02:44:41] <DeadYak> meh, not my type[02:45:06] <Duggan> good, less competition[02:48:09] <JonathanThompson> But, I'm still here!!!![02:48:45] <Duggan> lol[02:48:56] <JonathanThompson> Ok, but how does she do on mountain trails? :)[02:48:56] <Duggan> so you think you *are* DeadYak's type?[02:49:10] <Duggan> considering she's from Brazil, probably pretty good...[02:49:13] <JonathanThompson> That's a distinct misunderstanding on your part ;)[02:49:16] <criso> can she carry 50 kg of water on her head??[02:49:26] <criso> I'm a practical sort of person[02:49:54] <JonathanThompson> Not only the water, but what about the container required to hold 110 pounds of water? :P[02:49:56] <Duggan> probably not[02:50:02] <Duggan> probably neither[02:50:19] <DeadYak> um...you realize only small parts of Brazil are actually mountainous right?[02:50:28] <umccullough> wut?[02:50:33] <Duggan> the populated parts?[02:50:34] <Duggan> lol[02:50:52] <Duggan> never been there, wouldn't mind going sometime though...[02:50:55] * umccullough thought Brazil was one giant mountain[02:50:59] <Duggan> rofl[02:51:14] <Duggan> hey umccullough[02:51:50] * JonathanThompson thought Brazil was one giant rain forest complete with a mountain[02:52:35] <geist> i thought it was that statue of that dude[02:52:45] <DeadYak> lol[02:54:56] <geist> on the mountain[02:59:17] <AlienSoldier> mmu_man, haiku was running since 7h since i just let it iddle. At that point all was fine but when i did try sound again, there was none (from media player or vlc). osstest was still working that said. Mediarestard did nothing, it took a full restart[02:59:37] <mmu_man> yeah BGA told me[02:59:54] <mmu_man> I also noticed it on zeta earlier, but restarting media_server worked[02:59:56] <mmu_man> odd[02:01:11] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[02:05:46] <thotypous> mmu_man, do you know if the ppc guys were using some ppc emulator or only real hardware?[02:06:08] <mmu_man> thotypous AFAIK axel got it booting on his pegasos[02:06:11] <mmu_man> but that was some time ago[02:06:14] *** zid has joined #haiku[02:06:19] <AlienSoldier> axeld got a ppc board at one point but hated it[02:06:30] <mmu_man> the pegasos has a buggy OF[02:06:39] <umccullough> yeah, those first-gen boards were crappy from what i hear[02:06:44] <umccullough> i think geist has one too :P[02:07:06] <AlienSoldier> must be hard to resit porting it to a bebox[02:07:09] <thotypous> hm, are these boards expensive?[02:07:13] *** zid has left #haiku[02:07:16] <AlienSoldier> *resist[02:07:21] <umccullough> they don't make pegasos any more i don't think[02:07:24] <umccullough> EFIKA now IIRC[02:07:39] *** zizban has joined #haiku[02:07:57] <thotypous> this freescale stuff is neat[02:08:00] <AlienSoldier> according to the last time i saw those sam440 (a name like that), the price what very high[02:08:11] <AlienSoldier> *was very[02:09:02] <thotypous> https://www.genesi-usa.com/store.php[02:09:26] <thotypous> $375[02:11:13] <thotypous> BeOS is not listed at "Operating Systems": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC[02:11:41] <umccullough> wasn't sam440 meant to be some amiga clone or something?[02:12:00] <umccullough> oh, guess not[02:12:52] <mmu_man> AlienSoldier http://www.sam440.com/eng/summerfollies.html[02:13:35] <mmu_man> yeah how come no BeOS for ppc ?[02:13:39] * mmu_man goes fix it[02:13:44] <thotypous> :P[02:14:26] <thotypous> well, there are gxemul, pearpc and qemu[02:14:30] <thotypous> for emulating ppc[02:15:06] <thotypous> qemu can only emulate macppc, perhaps[02:15:10] <mmu_man> oddly they cite NetBSD for bebox[02:15:22] <thotypous> pearpc was made exclusively for macppc[02:15:43] <thotypous> and gxemul can emulate macppc and pmppc, altough I don't know if it emulates graphics[02:17:44] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[02:19:28] *** zizban has quit IRC[02:21:04] <mmu_man> fixed :)[02:21:17] <mmu_man> I ported PearPC to BeOS once[02:21:34] <mmu_man> host I mean[02:22:05] <thotypous> "NetBSD/pmppc can run in GXemul on an emulated Artesyn PM/PPC board. Currently, no SCSI or other disk controller is emulated for this machine type, but it is possible to run NetBSD with root-on-nfs."[02:22:19] <thotypous> gxemul supports graphics for pmppc, but no disk controller[02:22:41] <thotypous> so perhaps qemu and pearpc are the best emulators[02:22:43] <umccullough> mmu_man, nice haiku plug btw ;)[02:23:01] *** zizban has joined #haiku[02:23:23] <thotypous> I think ppc and arm are the two best architectures for desktop machines[02:23:41] <zizban> they're the two most popular besides x86[02:24:07] <thotypous> arm is the most popular architecture in the world, but only because it's used for embedded purposes :P[02:24:42] <zizban> is it? I thought PPC was?[02:25:02] <thotypous> well, that was what I heard[02:25:09] <thotypous> wikipedia should know better[02:25:11] <zizban> I wouldn't be surprised[02:25:31] <mmu_man> funny, NetSurf is on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_BeOS_programs[02:25:43] <thotypous> "Today, the ARM family accounts for approximately 75% of all embedded 32-bit RISC CPUs,[2] making it one of the most widely used 32-bit architectures."[02:25:47] <zizban> why is that funny?[02:25:53] <zizban> ah[02:26:03] <thotypous> it doesn't say it's the most widely used :([02:26:06] <mmu_man> cause it's quite recent I ported it :p[02:26:07] <thotypous> only "one of the most"[02:26:53] <zizban> you ported it mmu_man ? You rock[02:27:13] <zizban> well ARM is in the top 2, certainly[02:27:14] <thotypous> :D[02:27:19] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[02:28:11] *** saimon69 has joined #Haiku[02:28:12] <thotypous> btw, these ppc & arm SoC chips from freescale both rocks a lot[02:28:26] <thotypous> they would be so nice to build a HaikuBox...[02:28:30] <zizban> ya they do. I wouldn't mind having an efika[02:28:36] <umccullough> for arm, the BeagleBoard looks pretty nifty[02:28:38] <zizban> but I have enough computers around here[02:29:32][02:30:50] <thotypous> wow, crazy nifty sweet board[02:31:02] <umccullough> hdmi out and everything[02:31:26] <zizban> that is cool. put Linux on a sd card and you are ready to rock[02:31:43] <criso> boot from it?[02:31:54] <zizban> I would assume you could[02:32:10] <criso> is it connected internally to usb ?[02:32:18] * criso doubtin'[02:32:57] <zizban> well let me looksee and see[02:32:59] <umccullough> ah, i guess it's DVI-D, not exactly hdmi[02:33:03] <umccullough> what's the question?[02:33:15] <thotypous> it has an auxiliary DSP core[02:33:38] <umccullough> i think geist has one of thsoe too :P[02:33:52] <thotypous> should be enough to decode high resolution H.264[02:33:55] <zizban> it has 256 MB flash built in[02:34:11] <zizban> then you can also boot via usb[02:34:31] <zizban> Debian has a port to it :)[02:34:33] <zizban> sweet[02:34:37] <thotypous> hm, they have an IRC channel here at freenode[02:34:39] <thotypous> #beagle[02:34:48] <zizban> hey thats cool[02:36:07] <mmu_man> thotypous I think that's more the gnome fs indexing engine[02:36:21] <mmu_man> that's named beagle[02:36:26] <thotypous> no, no[02:36:33] <thotypous> see the channel topic[02:36:42] <umccullough> http://beagleboard.org/discuss[02:36:48] <zizban> ahhh[02:36:49] <umccullough> it mentions #beagle on their website[02:36:53] <thotypous> yes, it's listed at their website[02:36:55] <zizban> interesting[02:37:26] <mmu_man> ah, odd[02:37:40] <zizban> okay you can book from sd via a usb card reader[02:37:42] <zizban> sweeeeeeeeeet[02:37:59] <thotypous> lol -> "Beagle search tools are on #dashboard at irc.gimp.org, NOT here ;)"[02:38:14] <mmu_man> yeah, I really thought that was it[02:38:15] <umccullough> mmu_man, let me know when you're gonna work on arm and i'll send you one of those as a present ;)[02:38:34] <zizban> ha ha[02:38:41] <thotypous> mmu_man, these boards would be sweet when you start to port haiku to arm, perhaps[02:38:41] <umccullough> i'm *not* kidding[02:38:52] <mmu_man> likely[02:38:54] <thotypous> oh[02:39:26] <thotypous> great :P[02:39:42] <mmu_man> though I also have the freerunner as target[02:39:46] <mmu_man> they have a qemu mod for it[02:40:08] <mmu_man> but it has more stuff to support[02:40:10] <Duggan> wow I don't think I've ever seen a whole page of continuous chat in here before[02:40:30] <mmu_man> XEmacs! VI![02:40:40] <Duggan> notepad.exe[02:40:42] <mmu_man> sorry, what did you say ? :p[02:40:44] <zizban> hey[02:40:54] <zizban> I bring life to any irc channel :P[02:40:58] <zizban> or something[02:41:57] <umccullough> notepad2.exe![02:43:47] <zizban> notepad...I haven't used windows in ages[02:43:53] <zizban> beings back memories[02:43:57] <zizban> bad ones :P[02:44:09] <AlienSoldier> mmu_man lost sound for a long time, seem restarting media server while mediaplayer is playing is not fenshui. I see to notice a partern that i can bring back the sound by running the osstest, then relaunching the mediaplayer. Of course all that might be just random luck[02:44:58] <umccullough> I'm considering submitting another Coverity scan run this weekend[02:45:02] <AlienSoldier> i think all should restrat live, like for the input server of with the hack soundplay use to survice media restart[02:45:35] <mmu_man> MediaPlayer should also survive[02:45:36] <umccullough> mmu_man, did you ever get a chance to see the results there?[02:45:39] <mmu_man> but maybe it's broken[02:45:47] <umccullough> on coverity's site i mean[02:45:51] <mmu_man> actually stippi came up with that hack in the first place I think[02:46:01] <mmu_man> umccullough yeah[02:46:03] <AlienSoldier> mine die with a restard[02:46:11] <mmu_man> I recall lot of stuff in external libs :p[02:46:19] <umccullough> heh[02:46:21] <mmu_man> well MP doesn't work at all for me[02:46:28] <umccullough> probably should be marked "ignore" or fixes pushed upstream[02:46:34] <AlienSoldier> not dies, but act like marcel marseau, or even better, as "ze mime"[02:46:48] <zizban> heh "ze mime"[02:47:44] <AlienSoldier> ze mime is didier lucien, quebec actor, you can get some of is "art" on youtube[02:48:11] <AlienSoldier> i particularly like "ze gun"[02:48:18] <zizban> I'll pass, thank ye[02:50:13] <AlienSoldier> how is the general concensus on the netstack so far. I can only test it with adsl so it's no reall benchmark[02:50:47] <mmu_man> zz[02:51:09] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:51:22] <zizban> ya[03:01:28] *** pyCube has quit IRC[03:01:32] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[03:09:10] *** daste has joined #haiku[03:10:23] <Duggan> netstack is fine.... WHEN I can get a NIC that works...[03:13:27] <zizban> get a realtek[03:13:33] <zizban> every os on the planet supports that[03:13:47] <zizban> or an older 3Com typhoon you can get 'em on ebay cheap[03:13:51] <geist> good ol 8139[03:13:59] <zizban> yup[03:14:03] <zizban> I have an 8139[03:16:32] <thotypous> I have a gigabit ethernet NIC from realtek[03:16:35] <thotypous> works fine[03:16:41] <criso> typhoon?[03:16:50] <criso> 3com 509 is the standard[03:16:52] <thotypous> realtek 8169[03:16:52] <zizban> older 3Com nic[03:17:07] <zizban> typhoon was just a variant[03:17:22] <zizban> inside thats what the etching said[03:17:22] <Duggan> DONT get an rtl8101[03:17:37] <criso> etching said typhoon?[03:17:40] *** saimon69 has left #Haiku[03:17:54] <zizban> ya[03:17:57] <zizban> it did[03:17:58] <criso> 3c990[03:18:19] <criso> not a gigabit?[03:18:24] <criso> k[03:18:28] <zizban> its on an old pc around here somewhere[03:18:31] <criso> I have a stack of 3c509's[03:18:35] <criso> they are rock solid[03:19:12] <zizban> yup they are[03:19:15] <criso> I stuck 3 in every machine[03:19:17] <criso> just in case :)[03:19:32] <criso> and then it turned out I wanted 4 in the router machine[03:20:00] <zizban> heh[03:20:23] <criso> in order to isolate certain servers to their own subnets, and iptable them off in the router[03:20:35] *** Matias has joined #haiku[03:20:46] <criso> wouldn't want them sniffing traffic to other machines[03:21:08] *** Matias has quit IRC[03:21:09] <zizban> true[03:21:19] <criso> does haiku have anything like iptables ?[03:21:50] <criso> I vaguely recall beos having an 'ip forward' or 'ip routing' checkbox[03:22:23] <criso> I wondered about haiku in that regard too[03:22:33] <zizban> I don't know[03:33:15] *** redblue has joined #haiku[03:37:01] <DeadYak> criso: not yet, the network stack still needs a lot of work[03:37:20] <DeadYak> criso: if anything we'd probably be going more in the direction of something like pf or ipfw though[03:38:10] *** thotypous has quit IRC[03:41:30] <umccullough> criso, you mean 905s?[03:41:39] <umccullough> cuz...i thought the 509s were ISA cards[03:41:49] <DeadYak> 3c509 is indeed ISA[03:41:56] <umccullough> i have a few of those too :P[03:41:59] <DeadYak> 905a/b/c and 920 are PCI[03:42:03] <umccullough> but i have a stak of 905s as well[03:42:10] <zizban> heh[03:42:23] <umccullough> and there was also a 590 IIRC[03:42:28] <umccullough> just to be confusing :)[03:42:31] <DeadYak> 900 as well[03:42:35] <umccullough> yeah[03:42:46] <umccullough> and 589 as a pcmcia card :P[03:44:14] * criso slaps criso around a bit with a large trout[03:44:19] <criso> in fact I have 509's too[03:44:56] <criso> I have a 575 pcmcia[03:45:00] *** pyCube has quit IRC[03:45:03] *** Cube-ness has joined #haiku[03:45:05] <criso> ugh[03:45:09] <umccullough> yeah, sounds fmiliar[03:45:15] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[03:45:22] *** Cube-ness is now known as pyCube[03:58:31] *** zizban has left #haiku[04:01:17] *** Duggan has quit IRC[04:20:51] *** oco has quit IRC[04:33:59] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[05:01:52] *** Cube-ness has joined #haiku[05:01:52] *** pyCube has quit IRC[05:11:56] *** scottmc has quit IRC[05:19:52] *** Xenexi has joined #haiku[05:22:18] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[05:32:47] *** Xenexi has quit IRC[05:42:16] *** Cube-ness has quit IRC[05:49:45] <CIA-60> anevilyak * r28330 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/Dragger.cpp: (log message trimmed)[05:49:45] <CIA-60> In various apps such as ActivityMonitor, BDraggers are instantiated with[05:49:45] <CIA-60> invalid rects (in ActivityView's case in particular, (-7, -7, 0, 0)). BDragger[05:49:45] <CIA-60> would happily accept these, and preserve them when being archived/unarchived,[05:49:46] <CIA-60> which led to its position being completely messed up in the target shelf.[05:49:46] <CIA-60> We now compensate for this when determining our relationship with the target[05:49:48] <CIA-60> view. This fixes the problems with missing replicant handles in BSnow,[05:58:47] <geist> aww yeah, Yak attack[05:59:06] <DeadYak> heh, that bug's been driving me nuts[06:06:56] * slaad pets a Yak.[06:16:39] *** redb1ue has joined #haiku[06:20:37] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[06:23:42] *** redblue has quit IRC[06:34:30] *** adb has quit IRC[06:49:57] *** redb1ue is now known as redblue[07:14:14] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[07:15:48] <Duggan> greetings all[07:46:52] *** hdanak has quit IRC[07:56:05] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[08:20:36] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[08:29:54] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[08:49:36] *** mats has joined #haiku[08:52:07] *** mats has quit IRC[08:53:29] *** Arafangion has joined #haiku[08:54:59] *** nielx has quit IRC[08:55:21] <Arafangion> What's the status of haiku?[08:58:33] <Arafangion> (And how doeos haiku support the hardware - via oskit, or?)[09:00:00] <Monni> preparing for first alpha afaik...[09:00:17] <Monni> haiku has own drivers and freebsd compatibility layer for network drivers[09:00:57] <Monni> most native drivers are kernel "add-ons"[09:01:17] <Arafangion> Interesting.[09:02:47] <Arafangion> I suppose it's too early to discuss why Linux wasn't used as a source of drivers. (ie, potentially even just boot linux, which in-turn runs haiku as a VM, with some optimisations)[09:03:08] <Monni> licensing... we avoid GPL code as much as possible[09:03:33] <Arafangion> The same concept would work with fbsd or obsd, I'm sure.[09:03:51] <Monni> *BSD has different license...[09:04:19] <Monni> Haiku is based on NewOS which is rewrite of BeOS kernel ;)[09:04:22] <Arafangion> It's not the modified BSD license?[09:04:45] <Monni> Haiku uses so-called MIT/X11 license[09:05:46] * Arafangion is surprised to hear that there might be a lience conflict between modified BSD and MIT/X11[09:06:46] <Arafangion> In any case, Haiku would be an "application", and thus shouldn't require license compatibility with the host kernel?[09:06:59] <Monni> Not quite...[09:07:50] <Monni> even if it runs under VM, it's still full operating system[09:08:17] <Arafangion> Yes, but development only needs to focus on one set of hardware.[09:08:24] <Monni> not true[09:08:44] <Monni> Haiku already runs on top of Linux...[09:08:44] <Arafangion> Continue. :)[09:09:16] <Monni> it's just that it has additional layers which support different host platforms...[09:09:43] <Monni> it can run some BeOS applications, but not all...[09:09:49] <Arafangion> So you need one set of hardware support for each subtantially different host platform/layer combination?[09:10:31] <Monni> each layer needs own set of drivers... because drivers are kernel add-ons + user add-on for interfacing with user applications[09:10:46] <Arafangion> Hang on, are you implying that you[09:11:02] <Arafangion> that you're also supporting legacy BeOS drivers?[09:11:30] <Monni> some BeOS drivers work, some don't... not all internals were documented fully...[09:12:13] <Monni> some Haiku drivers were also backported to BeOS R5[09:12:33] <Arafangion> So it's a design constraint that you really, really need to be binary compatibility.[09:13:17] <Monni> either binary or source compatibility... sometimes it needs some modifications in the source code because Haiku has some "bugs" fixed...[09:14:09] *** databridge has joined #haiku[09:14:16] <Monni> Haiku R1 is supposed to be as much binary compatible as possible... after that it will shift to gcc4 and newer and eventually less are backwards compatible...[09:14:27] <Arafangion> Hmm, so ideologically you aim for full binary compatibility except where it would be silly to do so or if you have a good oportunity to fix a real bug.[09:14:57] <Monni> not just silly... if it would take too much reverse-engineering... and rewriting would become easier...[09:16:35] <Monni> it's also about choosing between discontinued and different, but still actively maintained alternative...[09:17:11] <Arafangion> Did BeOS use gcc originally? (Or do you have your own C++ ABI?)[09:17:26] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[09:17:38] <Monni> BeOS used mwcc and gcc[09:18:11] <Arafangion> mwcc being the Watcom compiler?[09:18:11] <Monni> Haiku supports gcc 2.95.3 and gcc 4.x[09:18:21] <Monni> MetroWerks[09:18:49] <Arafangion> I'm sorry I must go and get some dinner.[09:19:01] <Arafangion> Will come back, might even install it afterwards.[09:19:10] <Arafangion> Looks to be a very intruging OS.[09:19:22] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[09:29:41] <plfiorini> wow virtualbox guru meditation![09:41:55] <Monni> lol[09:46:11] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[09:47:21] <plfiorini> nice error !![09:47:38] <plfiorini> wow build profiles rock![09:51:41] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[09:56:39] *** plfioriniHaiku has joined #haiku[10:07:08] <plfiorini> what happened to libstdc++?[10:07:15] *** leszek has joined #haiku[10:07:35] <leszek> morgen[10:10:58] <plfioriniHaiku> leszek, morning[10:25:08] *** Euver has joined #haiku[10:29:28] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[10:30:36] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[10:33:32] *** plfioriniHaiku has quit IRC[10:36:20] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[10:38:51] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[10:38:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[11:14:03] <Arafangion> Does anyone use Haiku as their primary system?[11:14:15] * Arafangion rephrases.[11:14:26] <Arafangion> Do any of the _developers_ here use Haiku as their primary system? :)[11:14:43] <mmu_man> some do[11:14:56] <mmu_man> I think stippi made the switch[11:16:21] <Arafangion> Cool.[11:17:26] <Arafangion> Does haiku have a standard scripting language?[11:18:32] <mmu_man> bash ?[11:19:05] * Arafangion is forced to admit that bash is, indeed, a scripting language.[11:19:55] * plfiorini pushes python[11:20:25] * Arafangion would prefer lua or ruby be pushed.[11:21:02] <leszek> isn't yab als scripted !?[11:21:05] <leszek> *also[11:25:10] <Monni> standard scripting language in Haiku is what Hey uses ;)[11:26:24] <mmu_man> bash :p[11:26:46] <leszek> :P[11:26:46] <plfiorini> ruby is too weird IMHO[11:27:12] <leszek> python would be nice, but only with a working BeAPI integration[11:27:27] <plfiorini> bethon should work[11:27:37] <plfiorini> at least i saw something on haiku-os.it months ago[11:27:38] <Arafangion> Lua is stupidly easy to embed and extend.[11:27:47] <Arafangion> (imho)[11:27:55] <mmu_man> yeah Bethon should work[11:28:12] <Arafangion> What's the url for Bethon?[11:28:14] <Monni> eventually there will be a lot of choices... just because people are do different... like different styles etc...[11:28:49] <Arafangion> Monni: Isn't the idea of Haiku is to embed things, and thus you should have a particular "default" scripting language?[11:29:04] <Arafangion> Rather than having the huge diversity of, eg, Linux.[11:29:39] <Monni> Arafangion: Like I said... the one that Hey uses is the "default" because of high integration in base system... rest are just options...[11:30:09] <Arafangion> What does Hey use?[11:30:32] <Arafangion> Bethon does look good.[11:31:25] <Monni> I don't really know if there is official name, but there is a lot of examples how to use Hey to control different BeOS applications...[11:31:59] <mmu_man> hey is a command line front-end to the native scripting API that is used from the shell[11:32:32] <mmu_man> it just sends messages around[11:32:39] <Monni> I actually made networked version of that too... as a proof of concept... based on existing code in BeShare ;)[11:33:03] <Arafangion> So it's an IPC subsystem?[11:34:10] <mmu_man> it's a tool to use the native high level messaging system[11:34:29] <Monni> it was actually pretty scary to use the API under Linux and Windows.... I could just connect to remote BeOS box and control apps without firing up telnet connection ;)[11:35:01] <plfiorini> Monni, awesome![11:35:03] <Arafangion> Monni: That version won't be made the public, default version, I'll take it? ;)[11:35:28] <Monni> Arafangion: Well... as the code was for a commercial product, it's pretty unlikely ;)[11:35:43] <Arafangion> Monni: Excellent. :)[11:36:35] <Monni> I could rewrite parts of it, but it would require adding the cross-platform framework to Haiku... and that is still work-in-progress[11:36:47] *** databridge has quit IRC[11:38:50] <Monni> the framework compiles mostly, but there is still some missing syscalls that need to be implemented before it works 100%[11:39:50] *** petterhj has quit IRC[11:42:47] <Arafangion> How big is the haiku repo?[11:43:47] <Monni> compiling needs about 2 GB for sources...[11:45:25] <Arafangion> But how big are the sources?[11:45:57] *** Euver has quit IRC[11:47:04] <Monni> you mean all revisions?[11:48:11] <Arafangion> Yes.[11:48:53] <Arafangion> Actually, I meant just the tip revision, but yeah, the original question was for all revisions.[11:50:45] <Monni> I'm not sure if there is recent check of how big the whole Haiku repository is... there is a lot of activity so it increases all the time...[11:51:32] <Arafangion> Hmm.[11:52:00] <Monni> I don't know exact size of the latest revision because I haven't done clean on my tree in few weeks... but I know for sure it's above 2 GB[11:52:09] <CIA-60> mmlr * r28331 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/DefaultDecorator.cpp:[11:52:09] <CIA-60> Also add the border overlap on both sides to the available space of the initial[11:52:09] <CIA-60> tab width. This fixes the initially wrong tab width for windows where the title[11:52:09] <CIA-60> does not fit and previously there would be 10 pixels waste on the right.[11:52:46] * Arafangion finds out.[11:54:31] <Monni> I need to go out... it's almost lunch time ;)[11:54:40] <Arafangion> Take care. :)[11:55:07] <Arafangion> While I'm very interested in Haiku, I seriously doubt I'll find any time for proper investigation/development, but I do intend to at least check it out. :)[11:55:50] <Arafangion> haiku has ntfs drivers?[11:55:57] *** Stefan100 has joined #haiku[11:56:32] <leszek> yes[11:56:42] <Arafangion> ro or rw?[11:57:33] <leszek> there is an rw driver for BeOS not sure if it is included in haiku[11:57:44] <Arafangion> Impressive.[11:57:46] <leszek> but ro should work[11:58:03] <leszek> try perhaps search on google for BeOS Ntfs Driver[11:59:18] <leszek> haikunews.org/1241[12:00:32] <Arafangion> Impressive.[12:01:33] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[12:03:19] *** sprma has joined #haiku[12:04:32] *** cherrylap has joined #haiku[12:18:47] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[12:20:51] *** senry-user has quit IRC[12:20:59] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[12:21:17] <Arafangion> Ok, haiku's checkout is 1.1G, which includes .svn directories.[12:21:53] *** senry-user has quit IRC[12:22:20] <CIA-60> stippi * r28332 /haiku/trunk/docs/userguide/ (15 files in 3 dirs):[12:22:20] <CIA-60> patch by Humdinger:[12:22:20] <CIA-60> * Various fixes and corrections[12:22:20] <CIA-60> * Preparation for new sections[12:22:26] *** [r4] has joined #Haiku[12:25:05] *** redblue has quit IRC[12:25:55] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[12:31:48] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[12:32:50] *** nielx has joined #haiku[12:33:02] <nielx> hola[12:33:37] *** [r4] has quit IRC[12:39:22] *** cherrylap has quit IRC[12:39:26] *** sprma has quit IRC[12:48:44] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28333 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/fs/vfs.cpp:[12:48:44] <CIA-60> * vfs_stat_node_ref(): Added missing initialization of[12:48:44] <CIA-60> stat::st_{dev,ino}.[12:48:44] <CIA-60> * stat::st_rdev is unused, but at least initialize it with some[12:48:44] <CIA-60> deterministing value. This makes Perl's lib/File/stat.t test happy.[12:49:34] <Arafangion> Ok, the repo layout is odd... Branches aren't really brancches.[12:49:39] <Arafangion> They're workrooms.[12:51:02] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28334 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/stack/stack_interface.cpp:[12:51:02] <CIA-60> stack_interface_recvfrom(): Incorrect return value check. It's a[12:51:02] <CIA-60> ssize_t, not a status_t, so the following setting of the address length[12:51:02] <CIA-60> was never invoked, causing recvfrom() to always return the passed in[12:51:02] <CIA-60> size.[12:54:08] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[12:54:14] <nielx> Arafangion: yep[12:54:23] <nielx> there's no 'real' branch yet[12:54:37] <nielx> BTW, my Haiku computer died on me[12:55:36] <Duggan> greetings all..... I think.....[12:55:50] <Duggan> wtf...[12:55:55] <Duggan> laaaaaag[12:56:18] <Arafangion> nielx: What's teh cause of most of these crashes? (What component)[12:56:38] <nielx> what crashes are we refering to?[12:56:54] *** Duggan has quit IRC[12:57:02] <Arafangion> nielx: The sort that makes you reboot. :)[12:58:45] *** acidx has joined #haiku[12:58:48] <Arafangion> nielx: Any reason why you don't have branches? (I only ask because I've recently become interested in branching/not-branching discussions)[12:59:37] <nielx> well, IMO, branching is when you have to maintain two independent code trees[13:00:03] <nielx> for example, a 2.0 trunk where you put all the cool stuff, and your 1.1 branch in which you maintain bug fixes and release minor versions from[13:00:37] <Arafangion> While merging those bug fixes into 2.0 as applicable. I'm not sure if I'd call them "independant", as if they had no comonality, though.[13:01:34] *** johndrin1water has joined #haiku[13:02:22] *** johndrinkwater has quit IRC[13:02:27] *** johndrin1water is now known as johndrinkwater[13:04:01] <nielx> no, but what you will see is that there is a main 'version 1' branch, with subbranches 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3[13:04:14] <nielx> If you are still working on a 1.4, that will go into the main version 1 branch[13:04:20] <Arafangion> Yes, I have noticed that.[13:04:56] <nielx> if you fix a security issue, and you want to release that fix in all versions (say 1.1.1, 1.2.1, 1.3.1), you merge taht change into the subbranches[13:05:14] <Arafangion> Yup.[13:09:49] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[13:11:10] *** aldeck has joined #Haiku[13:11:32] <Arafangion> Is Haiku commercially interesting?[13:12:29] <leszek> not now, perhaps later[13:13:16] <Arafangion> I saw a book on BeOS's filesystem today, being sold in the bookshop.[13:13:43] <Arafangion> In the linux section, which is between Mac OS X, and tons of Microsoft stuff.[13:23:24] <Monni> in some countries Linux section is the place where toilet paper is ;)[13:24:38] <Arafangion> In australia, it seems a select few are slowly finding that it may be technically better than Windows Vista.[13:25:20] <Monni> anything is better than Vista...[13:25:42] <Arafangion> Almost anything.[13:25:51] <Monni> even XP is better ;)[13:26:00] <Arafangion> Well, I dunno.[13:26:05] <Arafangion> For a developer, certainly.[13:26:38] <Arafangion> Mind you, MS had 6 years to improve it, and did so marginally in some respects.[13:26:52] <Rakhun> better for end-users as well[13:26:53] <Monni> I use Vista SDK to write apps for XP ;)[13:27:18] * Arafangion is a Delphi programmer using Vista.[13:27:29] <Arafangion> I do actually prefer XP.[13:27:38] <Arafangion> But at home, I won't touch it.[13:27:44] *** sprma has joined #haiku[13:28:05] <Monni> I have Vista on laptop, XP on work machine, Haiku, MacOS and Ubuntu on toy machine[13:28:33] * Arafangion runs Debian Linux.[13:28:44] <Arafangion> For 6 years. :)[13:29:14] <Monni> I started with Debian, moved on to RedHat, then Fedora, SuSE and finally to Ubuntu[13:30:12] <Arafangion> Debian is a fantastic server, which _now_ also makes a decent desktop, Redhat is crap, Fedora is crap, SuSE... I've heard good things about, but I don't think I'd like it, and Ubuntu is rather impressive, and I suspect has been influencing Debian.[13:32:05] <Arafangion> Yes, I'm a debian fanboy. :([13:32:06] <Monni> old RedHats were usable, but when they started shifting to server versions, I decided I need something more user friendly...[13:32:37] <Arafangion> Well, I got introduced to Redhat right when they decided to become spectacularily crap, then moved to Mandrake, which was nicer but crappier.[13:32:51] * Arafangion mumbles something about a gcc version that even the gcc developers refuse to admit existed.[13:32:55] <Monni> I didn't like when they started removing CLI applications and stopped maintaining them... I kept mixing source packages from RedHat 7 in RedHat 9 to get them back...[13:33:18] <Arafangion> I didn't like it when they broke the compiler, and in Mandrake's case, also ship with incompatible libraries.[13:34:36] <Monni> what I liked in RedHat was that it could run NT on a X session and play files from Linux using Winamp without WINE ;)[13:35:19] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28335 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/posix/xsi_message_queue.cpp:[13:35:19] <CIA-60> _user_xsi_msgrcv():[13:35:19] <CIA-60> * Fixed some places that set an error return value but didn't actually[13:35:19] <CIA-60> return.[13:35:19] <CIA-60> * Fixed success case return value. The number of bytes received must be[13:35:20] <CIA-60> returned, not B_OK.[13:35:24] <Arafangion> I never looked at audio stuff.[13:35:26] * Arafangion is deaf.[13:35:37] * Monni is half deaf only[13:35:55] <Arafangion> Bah, you full hearing then. ;)[13:36:08] <Monni> one ear works, other doesn't...[13:36:24] <Arafangion> My ears have turned to bone.[13:36:31] <Arafangion> That's how deaf I am. ;)[13:36:46] <Monni> well... they removed a bee from my left ear...[13:37:02] <Arafangion> Bees, spiders... That stuff happens. :)[13:37:16] <Monni> yeah. but they had to remove the ear drum too...[13:37:33] <Arafangion> Want to take this private?[13:37:46] <Monni> nah... already ate ;)[13:37:53] <Arafangion> Heh. :)[13:38:36] <Arafangion> The eardrum would make unassisted hearing difficult. ;)[13:38:55] <Monni> humming sound is really painful...[13:39:02] <Arafangion> What happened with me was I lost all my hearing because of meningitis, though I have a cochlear implant now.[13:39:12] <Arafangion> Is that a real sound, or tinnitus?[13:39:32] <Monni> real....[13:39:46] <Monni> tinnitus is more like sharp sound...[13:39:49] <Arafangion> Do you mean *was* really painful, or *is*?[13:39:59] <Arafangion> Actually tinnitus can take many forms.[13:40:01] <Monni> _is_[13:40:37] <Arafangion> That's nasty![13:40:48] <Monni> removing ear wax from that ear is pretty easy... it's like waterfall...[13:40:58] <Arafangion> Can't they close it up?[13:41:11] <Monni> too much scar tissue[13:41:20] <Arafangion> Nasty.[13:41:55] <Arafangion> I'm sorry to say you've the dubious honor of winning this case of one-up-manship. :)[13:42:56] <Monni> well.. it's fun when at work... boss can say anything and I can just ignore him... ;)[13:43:21] <Arafangion> In my case, I really don't hear them,unless I'm already paying attention.[13:43:26] * Arafangion does have a cochlear implant.[13:43:46] <Monni> well... I would have to be about 1 m from anyone to hear....[13:44:43] <Arafangion> Which country are you from?[13:44:56] <Monni> living currently in Finland[13:45:07] <Monni> family is from Livonian confederation[13:45:34] <Arafangion> I'm just surprised how it managed to regress to that level in the first place.[13:46:18] <Arafangion> I suspect it's worse to loose a person's hearing while old, rather than while very very young.[13:46:32] <Monni> I'm 29 now... 30 in March[13:46:44] <Monni> I've had ear infections almost every year...[13:47:00] <Arafangion> Nasty.[13:47:29] <Arafangion> I've been deaf since 1yo, and have had three surgeries on it, but haven't had any bees in it yet. :([13:48:05] <Arafangion> Do you use sign language?[13:48:17] <Monni> Not much.... I mostly read from lips...[13:48:27] <Arafangion> Ahh, a lipreader.[13:49:06] <Arafangion> I don't lipread much at all, but when I don't have my hearing on, I don't have /any/ sound, which makes lipreading almost impossible, anyway.[13:49:18] <Arafangion> I do some sign these days, though. :)[13:49:45] <Monni> I do some signs too... we did listen to one movie back in school where they did teach some important signs...[13:50:06] <Arafangion> By "some signs", I mean to say I'm learning Auslan, which is the sign langauge we use here. :)[13:50:43] <Monni> I like international signs more... I work with people with different backgrounds...[13:51:10] <Arafangion> Fair enough. :)[13:52:23] <Monni> with my ex-gf it was really easy.... she did barely talk and I wasn't such a good listener ;)[13:53:11] <Arafangion> Sucks for communication, though. :([13:53:34] <Monni> yeah... we broke up after she lost her job.... we met near her workplace...[13:53:52] <Arafangion> That's a shame. :([13:55:50] <Arafangion> haiku used to be in a CVS repo?[13:55:54] <Monni> yup[13:56:06] <Monni> used to be in SourceForge[13:56:15] <Monni> bbl... gonna go watch a movie ;)[13:57:42] <Arafangion> I'm actually checking out a clone of the repo using git.[13:58:24] *** rotordotorklos has joined #haiku[13:58:33] <Arafangion> Development seriously picked up after the move to svn, by the looks of the history.[13:58:43] <rotordotorklos> Hi, Where is everybody at?[14:02:46] *** databridge has joined #haiku[14:06:01] *** bknoedel has joined #haiku[14:08:24] *** bknoedel has quit IRC[14:12:55] <dr_evil> cvs history was imported into svn. but very early cvs history before folder renaming was lost[14:14:07] *** xxploit has quit IRC[14:14:30] <Arafangion> dr_evil: Was changed from 2005-03-17.[14:17:03] <Arafangion> dr_evil: What's an example file that has it's history truncated?[14:17:25] *** xxploit has joined #haiku[14:29:12] *** EuanK has joined #haiku[14:30:06] <EuanK> What's an easy way to view the linux interrupt config for my laptop? 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I'm not sure how to do similar[16:20:59] <CIA-60> validy checking in the case of the other relationships (or if that's even[16:21:01] <CIA-60> feasible) though. Comments welcome as always :)[16:22:40] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[16:23:37] *** Rakhun|away has joined #haiku[16:24:25] *** Rakhun|gone has joined #haiku[16:26:46] *** telenorsucks has joined #haiku[16:28:10] <Monni> lol[16:29:17] <DeadYak> telenorsucks: slightly unhappy with your ISP I take it? :[16:29:18] <DeadYak> er :)[16:30:24] <zizban> just a bit, me thinks :)[16:30:53] *** Rakhun_ has joined #haiku[16:32:36] *** Rakhun__ has joined #haiku[16:32:43] <DeadYak> geez[16:33:03] <DeadYak> I'm surprised the next few choices weren't "telenorreallysucks", etc.[16:33:11] <DeadYak> :)[16:33:25] <Rakhun__> heh, yeah[16:33:35] *** Rakhun__ has quit IRC[16:33:57] *** Rakhun__ has joined #haiku[16:35:17] <zizban> heh[16:35:36] *** atomozero has joined #haiku[16:36:22] *** Rakhun|laptop has joined #haiku[16:36:33] <Monni> Sweden has nice history of serious fsck ups in ISP operations...[16:37:13] <Rakhun|laptop> seems so, although telenor comes from norway iirc[16:37:26] <DeadYak> I was actually about to ask when telenor started doing service in sweden[16:37:59] <Monni> maybe so many people got pissed off at Telia after their mega-scale e-mail scandal, Telenor decided they have a chance ;)[16:38:25] <DeadYak> email scandal?[16:39:03] *** xxploit has quit IRC[16:39:10] <Monni> Their e-mail system crashed and a lot of e-mails were lost...[16:39:37] <Monni> prompted Telia's Finnish part to separate from main company...[16:39:53] <Rakhun|laptop> telia>telenor..[16:39:56] *** Matias has joined #haiku[16:40:07] *** xxploit has joined #haiku[16:42:10] *** Rakhun|away has quit IRC[16:42:56] *** Rakhun|gone has quit IRC[16:45:54] *** telenorsucks has quit IRC[16:46:13] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[16:47:39] *** adb has joined #haiku[16:49:38] *** Rakhun__ is now known as Rakhun[16:50:07] *** Rakhun_ has quit IRC[16:51:40] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28337 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/stack/stack_interface.cpp:[16:51:40] <CIA-60> Always return what we've got from the socket module (error or number of[16:51:40] <CIA-60> bytes received), but not B_OK on success.[16:54:00] *** thotypous has quit IRC[16:54:02] *** Matias is now known as thotypous[16:59:21] *** xxploit has quit IRC[17:02:44] *** xxploit has joined #haiku[17:22:25] *** boh666 has left #haiku[17:23:05] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[17:27:57] *** atomozero has quit IRC[17:28:02] *** sprma has joined #haiku[17:28:33] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28338 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/protocols/tcp/TCPEndpoint.cpp: Strongly typed languages ftw.[17:31:56] *** zizban has quit IRC[17:32:05] *** atomozero has joined #haiku[17:36:25] *** zizban has joined #haiku[17:36:36] *** mats has joined #haiku[17:36:41] *** oco has quit IRC[17:37:20] <umccullough> damn, attack of the newbs today?[17:47:51] <AnEvilYak> huh?[17:48:42] <umccullough> :)[17:49:35] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[17:50:18] *** CIA-60 has quit IRC[17:51:40] *** Rakhun|laptop has quit IRC[17:59:03] <MrSunshine_> ough pritty full channel :)[17:59:41] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[17:59:55] *** zizban has quit IRC[18:00:00] <Monni> just wait for the channel to burp, then there is room again ;)[18:01:31] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[18:02:55] <MrSunshine_> ye :)[18:07:01] <Monni> Swedish version of "Poppa Joe" is *shrugs*[18:10:39] <AlienSoldier> another slashdot apearance http://ask.slashdot.org/askslashdot/08/10/26/1518250.shtml[18:12:24] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:12:35] *** rotordotorklos has quit IRC[18:12:42] * AnEvilYak pets tqh[18:12:59] <tqh> howdy[18:15:23] *** erikl has joined #haiku[18:16:33] <thotypous> plop[18:22:04] <erikl> Hello! How can I list all user addons (drivers) that are loaded? Thanks in advance, F.[18:23:06] <Monni> crash it and look in kernel debugger ;)[18:23:49] <erikl> Monni: why crash it, when you could just tap F12? ;)[18:24:13] <Monni> more fun ;)[18:25:11] *** [mark] is now known as [mark-zzz][18:25:56] <erikl> Monni: `image' seem to display it.[18:26:17] <erikl> Question two. How can I load the nvidia accelerant instead of vesa?[18:26:23] <erikl> could*[18:28:44] *** erikl has quit IRC[18:36:11] <Monni> it should use nvidia accelerant if it contains correct vendor and device ids[18:41:56] *** thotypous has quit IRC[18:42:46] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[18:42:57] *** senry-user has quit IRC[18:43:58] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[18:44:11] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[18:44:14] *** senry-user is now known as Franxico[18:44:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[18:44:39] * Franxico screams go Haikuuuu!!![18:45:09] * mmu_man puts the ear plugs on[18:45:19] <Franxico> lol[18:45:24] <Franxico> \o/[18:45:28] <Monni> too late ;)[18:45:49] <Franxico> \o\[18:45:59] <Franxico> /o/[18:46:32] <JonathanThompson> /me hands mmu_man hearing aids to assist his future needs after being deafened by Franxico[18:46:35] <Franxico> cool, didn't know about that DiskUsage app[18:46:58] <Franxico> hehe sorry about that ;)[18:50:01] <Franxico> mmu_man your new baby (aka NetSurf) will be in the Alpha?[18:50:23] <mmu_man> dunno yet[18:50:38] <Franxico> ok[18:50:58] <mmu_man> possibly, if we put the bebook we'll have behappy[18:51:51] <Franxico> if it crashes here, can i send you bug reports ?[18:52:19] <Franxico> testing bebook only if you want[18:52:20] <Monni> we'll just lock him in basement of Eiffel tower ;)[18:53:20] <Franxico> didn't know it had a basement lol[18:53:41] <Monni> one documentary claimed it had old telegraphy station in its basement[18:54:58] <Franxico> wow neat ![18:55:06] <Franxico> i'll look for that[18:56:16] <Franxico> man, i'm in France since 2004 and I still don't know the top of the Eiffel Tower[18:56:26] <mmu_man> Changes (by jackburton): * milestone: R1/alpha1 => R1[18:56:29] <mmu_man> CHEATING![18:56:31] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[18:56:36] <Franxico> everytime I go to Paris it's closed![18:57:57] * DeadYak plops mmu_man[18:58:21] <Monni> Wikipedia mentions the station ;)[18:58:55] <Franxico> cool! can we visit it?[18:59:07] <Monni> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eiffel_tower#Installations[18:59:21] <umccullough> ah, i read that as #Instructions there for a sec ;)[18:59:36] <mmu_man> DeadYak I don't remember the beos code doing that in BDragger[18:59:46] *** CIA-60 has joined #haiku[19:00:29] <DeadYak> mmu_man: I have no way of knowing what the BeOS code does, but it's unacceptable for the dragger to not be visible[19:00:43] <mmu_man> sure[19:01:20] <DeadYak> ActivityMonitor gives it an invalid rect due to the rewrite to switch it to using the layout kit[19:01:52] <DeadYak> not sure what BeOS does when given a bad rect for that thing, though imo the user shouldn't be giving it a rect at all, just an anchor corner[19:02:22] <mmu_man> ah, fix the layout kit then :p[19:02:50] <MauriceK> does anyone know what the linker command is to check for all symbols being available?[19:02:58] <MauriceK> I think I asked that once already, but forgot about it[19:03:27] <DeadYak> mmu_man: well, the problem is it's attaching the dragger in the constructor of the view[19:03:33] <DeadYak> so it hasn't been resized or computed in layout yet[19:03:55] <Franxico> Monni very nice, thanks[19:04:05] <DeadYak> see src/apps/activitymonitor/ActivityView.cpp's c'tor[19:04:33] <DeadYak> either way though, fixing the layout kit wouldn't fix the fact that it's possible to feed a bad rect to the dragger itself[19:04:59] <DeadYak> so what *should* it do in that case?[19:06:20] <Monni> handle it gracefully ;)[19:06:31] <DeadYak> which is what I made it do[19:08:03] <Monni> IMHO when left value is negative, it should offset it from width and if top value is negative, it should offset if from height... which is pretty much how it does now...[19:12:46] <Monni> dunno if any existing applications use possibility that only one of them is negative, but that would make sense when application is designed for rtl language where everything else is mirrored too...[19:16:37] <umccullough> mmu_man, oh yeah, i told z98 to talk to you about BFS questions he had :)[19:16:53] <umccullough> yesterday... hope you don't mind[19:17:15] <mmu_man> np[19:18:37] <Franxico> does TubePositive work for anyone?[19:19:07] <nielx> hola[19:19:55] <umccullough> yo[19:20:11] <Monni> ...no soy ;)[19:20:22] <umccullough> :)[19:22:52] <Monni> first thing they teach in Spanish lessons is "Yo no soy marinero." ;)[19:23:05] <Franxico> hehehe[19:23:20] <Franxico> from the song "La Bamba"?[19:23:38] <Franxico> soy capitan[19:23:39] <Monni> well... we had to memorize whole lyrics in elementary school ;)[19:25:23] <Franxico> lol[19:25:32][19:25:40] <Franxico> SoundPlay won't play anything :([19:25:50] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[19:25:51] <Franxico> Monni ah great song![19:26:00] <Franxico> very hard to play[19:26:12] <stpere> umccullough: so, you want to be the release manager? :)[19:26:18] <umccullough> nope[19:26:22] <umccullough> i don't have time :)[19:26:31] <Monni> Franxico: I was 4 years old back then...[19:26:49] <CIA-60> axeld * r28339 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/generic/ide_adapter/ide_adapter.c:[19:26:49] <CIA-60> * Fixed off by one bug... math can be so hard ;-)[19:26:49] <CIA-60> * This fixes bug #2880, ie. make the ide_adapter write the IDE task file[19:26:49] <CIA-60> correctly to the command register, CD-ROMs are working again.[19:27:20] *** aphedox has quit IRC[19:28:00] <Franxico> yessssssssss![19:28:06] * Franxico screams again![19:28:43] <umccullough> nice one[19:28:57] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[19:29:00] * umccullough looks for a muzzle[19:29:26] <Franxico> Monni do you still play it? :)[19:30:43] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[19:30:56] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[19:31:57] <Monni> Franxico: I stopped when I finished elementary school...[19:32:13] <Franxico> ok[19:32:41] <Monni> my fingers don't work so well anymore... too much bowling...[19:33:39] <Franxico> really?[19:33:42] <Franxico> man..[19:36:42] <Monni> nowadays it's more electronic music and not so much acoustic... it's all about sequencers and synthesizers...[19:36:43] <Franxico> that's odd, VLC plays a wav file faster than MediaPlayer[19:36:50] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[19:36:56] *** sprma has quit IRC[19:37:26] <Franxico> I like eletronic music too[19:38:11] <umccullough> Franxico, "faster"?[19:38:17] <umccullough> you mean it loads up faster?[19:38:37] <Franxico> but i still love the drums[19:38:37] <Franxico> acoustics[19:38:38] *** rdmr has quit IRC[19:38:58] <Franxico> hm i mean better[19:39:02] <Franxico> no glitches[19:39:05] <umccullough> ah[19:39:07] <Franxico> smoother[19:39:21] <umccullough> yeah, vlc is pretty good about that[19:39:45] <Franxico> why SoundPlay won't play anything?[19:40:39] <umccullough> i thought newer versions of soundplay were busted because they relied on a private method in the media kit or something[19:40:47] <umccullough> and only older versions worked[19:41:07] <Franxico> hm... :-/[19:42:54] <Franxico> umccullough also, the MediaPlayer cursor stops before the end[19:43:23] <umccullough> bug report :)[19:43:45] <Franxico> ok :)[19:45:20] <dr_evil> r28339 is broken[19:45:43] <umccullough> the bugfix busted things? nice :P[19:46:20] <Franxico> hehe[19:49:45] <Monni> not enough regressions, maybe ;)[19:51:31] <Franxico> umccullough can you reproduce that bug i said?[19:51:36] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[19:51:40] <umccullough> i don't have soundplay[19:51:47] <umccullough> oh, media player?[19:51:49] <nielx> guys, my computer that I used to run Haiku on died[19:51:51] <Franxico> about MediaPlayer[19:51:54] <Franxico> yes :)[19:51:55] <nielx> please mourn with me[19:52:00] <umccullough> Franxico, not atm, maybe later :)[19:52:02] <umccullough> nielx, how so?[19:52:07] <Franxico> nielx man![19:52:14] *** replaced has joined #haiku[19:52:16] <replaced> hi[19:52:28] *** esojep has joined #haiku[19:52:30] <umccullough> nielx, i for example have revived a few machines by replacing the bulging/leaking capacitors ;)[19:52:32] <nielx> it's just dead, it's a notebook and it doesn't even get past the point where it lights up the screen[19:52:37] <umccullough> oh, suck[19:52:38] *** esojep has left #haiku[19:52:45] <umccullough> laptops are pointless to repair ;)[19:52:53] <nielx> yes, I must admit it was dying[19:53:02] <nielx> but nevertheless, this comes as a shock[19:53:05] <umccullough> although, pulling them apart one can sometimes find the cause of the problem - sometimes a screw floating around on the mobo :([19:53:49] <umccullough> perhaps the interla PSU is shot[19:53:53] <umccullough> internal even[19:54:19] <umccullough> sometimes you can find cheap mobo replacements for older laptops on ebay or something[19:54:38] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[19:55:12] <nielx> :-) well, I might try something, but the thing is the keyboard was already malfunctioning[19:55:34] <umccullough> heh, i've replaced a couple laptop keyboards via ebay as well ;)[19:55:37] <nielx> for example, it thought I pressed a key continually (unless I corrected it by tapping on that key)[19:55:53] <umccullough> sometimes the failure is simply that the keyboard isn't screwed down tight (depending on how it's attached) making it not ground properly[19:56:13] <umccullough> also might just need cleaning[19:56:29] <nielx> okay, well, I'll try to find a screwdriver and mess about, but I'm not that technical :-)[19:56:47] <umccullough> sometimes keyboards can actually be cleaned with soapy water, as long as you dry them effectively afterward[19:57:20] <Franxico> nielx what about the RAM? try to clean it[19:57:25] <umccullough> if you can take something apart, and remember how to put it back together, you're in good shape ;)[19:57:31] <mmu_man> I saved EUR100 once[19:57:37] <mmu_man> cleaned the 3 keys that didn't work[19:57:51] <nielx> actually, it might be the ram, since it never gets to the part where it complains about the fact that I am pressing my ESC key[19:58:03] <mmu_man> I just removed the cap, and slided some paper between the 2 translucent plastic sheets to rub the contacts[19:59:50] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[20:01:53] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[20:03:13] <dr_evil> mmu_man the fix that axel did is really strange[20:04:04] <mmu_man> yeah I recall you asking for the zeta one[20:04:11] <mmu_man> which is just that, but that doesn't mean it's correct[20:04:50] <replaced> is the "nice" system call missing from haiku?[20:05:08] <nielx> tqh: which branch in the mozilla CVS are you currently working in?[20:07:34] <tqh> mk_add_options MOZ_CO_TAG=MOZILLA_1_8_BRANCH[20:07:41] *** erikl has joined #haiku[20:07:54] <mmu_man> replaced it's maybe not implemented[20:08:07] <replaced> not even a stub as i see[20:08:10] <mmu_man> we have a different priority scheme than unix[20:08:24] <mmu_man> I have something I can stuff there if needed[20:08:34] <mmu_man> why do you need it for ?[20:08:40] <umccullough> is that even POSIX?[20:08:46] <replaced> even a stub would be fine :)[20:09:12] <nielx> tqh: okay, I'm going to try to load that tree into mercurial. Which machine are you developing from (which platform)?[20:09:13] <erikl> how is it possible to load the nvidia accelerant?[20:09:18] <erikl> thanks in advance[20:09:41] <tqh> nielx, 64bit linux[20:09:44] <umccullough> erikl, it loads automatically if needed[20:10:08] <mmu_man> replaced I actually have one, I wrote a /bin/nice app[20:10:35] <erikl> umccullough: where could I find a list of supported cards? do you have information of such? Thanks.[20:10:46] <mmu_man> http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/000095399/functions/nice.html[20:10:49] <umccullough> in the sources, ... hold on[20:11:06] <erikl> umccullough: thank you.[20:11:31] *** VinDuv|laptop has joined #haiku[20:11:59] <umccullough> erikl, the driver uses this code: http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/nvidia/driver.c[20:12:10] <umccullough> the accelerant does more...let me find it[20:13:16] <umccullough> looks like maybe here: http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_general.c[20:13:47] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[20:13:50] <umccullough> erikl, you can always look at the syslog to see what it finds[20:14:04] <erikl> umccullough: my card seemes to be suppoerted[20:14:08] <umccullough> if you're wondering about the driver loading, you can ls /dev/graphics to see what loaded there[20:14:19] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[20:14:26] <umccullough> what makes you believe it's not working?[20:14:55] <erikl> umccullough: F12 and the command image[20:15:07] <erikl> umccullough: nevermind[20:15:09] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[20:15:14] <erikl> umccullough: I'll look it up, thanks a lot. :)[20:15:27] <umccullough> DeadYak, what was the method to find what accelerant the app_server loaded?[20:15:42] * umccullough always forgets[20:16:02] *** Rakhun|away has joined #haiku[20:16:13] *** Rakhun|away has quit IRC[20:16:38] *** Rakhun|away has joined #haiku[20:17:58] <mmu_man> listimage | grep accel[20:17:59] <mmu_man> ?[20:18:10] <umccullough> perhaps that's all it was :P[20:22:25] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[20:24:57] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[20:25:34] <umccullough> erikl, yeah, looks like "image" from kdl only returns kernel images[20:25:38] <umccullough> and the accelerant runs in userland[20:28:32] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[20:29:12] * Franxico sent two easy bugs[20:30:19] <Franxico> but I have no idea how to fix them lol[20:31:41] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[20:32:01] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[20:32:10] *** senry-user has quit IRC[20:32:19] <replaced> umccullough: im porting an application using it, but i just made it conditional for now[20:32:33] <replaced> mmu_man:[20:33:37] <DeadYak> erikl: listimage on the app_server's team ID will show you[20:33:45] <DeadYak> (usually 61)[20:33:58] <erikl> umccullough, DeadYak: thank you[20:34:07] <erikl> I'll come back later for more assistance[20:34:17] <erikl> Have a great day/night.[20:34:28] <DeadYak> in any case, you can't force it to load, either the driver finds an ID it recognizes or it doesn't[20:35:51] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[20:36:26] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[20:36:33] *** Rakhun|away is now known as Rakhun[20:37:45] <umccullough> DeadYak, grepping listimage output for accelerants works well since they all reside in /add-ons/accelerants ;)[20:38:01] <umccullough> er, add-ons/accelerants that is :P[20:38:13] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[20:38:17] <AnEvilYak> umccullough: right but going directly after the team's image list would be more valid :)[20:38:24] <umccullough> probably ;)[20:38:36] <AnEvilYak> in my case for instance:[20:38:37] <AnEvilYak> 1546 /boot/beos/system/add-ons/accelerants/radeon.accelerant 0x7f5000 0x80d000 0 0[20:39:16] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[20:39:33] <mmu_man> replaced AC_CHECK_FUNC(nice) :p[20:41:10] <replaced> its not ac based[20:41:13] <replaced> :)[20:42:43] * JonathanThompson campaigns for real gravy, real authentic British gravy[20:49:10] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[20:49:34] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[20:55:29] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[21:03:13] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[21:09:53] *** euzao has joined #haiku[21:10:00] <euzao> alpha haiku is near!!! finally!![21:10:14] <euzao> will be released a ISO version of it?[21:10:18] <nielx> tqh uploading initial checkin[21:10:29] <euzao> for testing?[21:12:27] <nielx> euzao: yes[21:12:30] <nielx> but not right now[21:12:37] <euzao> I know it... great[21:12:46] <euzao> how much of space do you think would be great?[21:13:08] *** erikl has quit IRC[21:14:03] <tqh> nielx, cool[21:14:23] <euzao> damn, I really miss BeOS[21:15:22] <euzao> just wait and you'll see, after Haiku release, a LOT of old apps reborn[21:15:46] <euzao> and several ports of games, etc... Haiku will be a far better desktop than unixes[21:16:06] <replaced> its not a hard task actually :P[21:16:30] <euzao> replaced, yes hehe[21:16:41] <euzao> I'm very exited with it[21:16:52] <euzao> but what are those two important bugs to be solved?[21:17:36] <replaced> im a big unix fan, but damn i need something without X window disaster :D[21:17:58] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[21:18:05] <MrSunshine_> and with a unified user thingie :P[21:18:21] <MrSunshine_> developing for X means checking like 5 diferent window managers if they are active :P[21:18:36] <euzao> yes...[21:18:55] <euzao> wow, BeOS is really near of getting back to scene[21:19:07] <euzao> after long 7 years![21:20:23] <miqlas> Hello Guys![21:20:51] <miqlas> euzao, :)[21:21:07] <euzao> and BeShare?[21:21:16] <euzao> BeShare is dead... it should be ressurrected[21:21:29] *** erikl has joined #haiku[21:21:37] <erikl> ls /dev/graphics shows VESA[21:21:52] <erikl> although, the nvidia.accelerant said that GF 7600 GT was supported[21:24:30] <umccullough> erikl, did it show *only* vesa?[21:24:39] <umccullough> cuz vesa pretty much always gets loaded[21:25:06] <umccullough> nvidia driver usually shows up in /dev/graphics with the vendor/deviceid as the filename[21:25:47] <umccullough> if the driver doesn't load, the accelerant won't either :)[21:25:55] <umccullough> afaik[21:26:59] <HeTo> MrSunshine_: why would you need to care what window manager the user is running?[21:28:27] <MrSunshine_> some stuff like changing decorations etc :)[21:28:59] <criso> I'd like to grab the first description paragraph of a man page, anyone know of a nice groff option to do that?[21:29:21] <criso> I tried ##linux but they're useless :/[21:30:25] <HeTo> MrSunshine_: why would you need to change the decoration? the user chooses what he likes, you shouldn't touch that[21:30:52] <euzao> I want to wait for Alpha because I want to install it on a partition[21:31:00] <HeTo> unless you're writing a configuration app for the window manager, but in that case you only need to care about the one WM you're writing the app for[21:31:09] <umccullough> euzao, you can install on a partition without waiting for an ISO :)[21:31:15] <euzao> because my hardware is completely supported by the old BeOS and, thus, is supported by HAIKU[21:31:22] <euzao> umccullough, but I think it is more secure[21:31:28] <euzao> I want to mess around with it[21:31:37] <umccullough> feel free to wait ;)[21:31:49] <umccullough> i'm just clarifying that you don't have to[21:32:17] <euzao> of course[21:32:32] <umccullough> btw, just because the hardware is supported by BeOS doesn't immediatly guarantee it's also supported by Haiku[21:32:43] <umccullough> there's some older hardware that Haiku doesn't have drivers for where beos did[21:32:51] <umccullough> such as older ATI Rage cards, etc.[21:33:02] <umccullough> and some network drivers[21:33:08] <umccullough> or audio drivers[21:33:25] <euzao> well there were drivers for all my stuff[21:33:32] <euzao> for everything[21:33:37] <umccullough> for beos...[21:33:53] <euzao> yes, but someone is here for testing[21:33:53] <HeTo> and i815[21:33:55] <umccullough> haiku cannot necessarily use all closed-source binary beos drivers[21:34:07] <mmu_man> umccullough graphics driver bins should work as is[21:34:09] <HeTo> (Haiku only supports starting from i845)[21:34:38] <HeTo> mmu_man: has it always been like that?[21:34:44] <umccullough> mmu_man, should... ;) I think i tried the mobility driver for beos and it failed miserably in Haiku[21:34:59] <HeTo> because I think I tried the i815 driver for R5 a couple of years ago, but it didn't work[21:35:16] <mmu_man> HeTo the R4 bins yes, not the old app_server addons[21:35:29] <mmu_man> I said *should* :p[21:35:31] <replaced> 'int signal' in string.h?[21:35:46] <mmu_man> ?[21:35:59] *** euzao has quit IRC[21:36:13] <replaced> /boot/develop/headers/posix/string.h:73: warning: declaration of `signal' shadows global declaration[21:36:32] <miqlas> Can somebody help to me? I need somebody who have BeShare. Please pm to me.[21:36:41] <mmu_man> it's likely a variable in your program or another header that has the same name[21:37:12] <mmu_man> ah, the arg to strsignal...[21:37:18] <replaced> having variables and functions with theyep[21:37:24] <replaced> whoops[21:37:26] <replaced> yep[21:38:41] <mmu_man> WTF it's declared in signal.h anyway[21:38:52] <mmu_man> const char *strsignal(int sig);[21:39:07] *** sprma has joined #haiku[21:39:18] <nielx> tqh: done[21:40:49] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[21:41:38] <mmu_man> opengroup doesn't seem to define it[21:41:48] <replaced> what?[21:42:03] <mmu_man> http://linux.die.net/man/3/strsignal[21:42:38] <mmu_man> Conforming to This function is not part of any standard, but aside from Linux, it can be found on Solaris and the BSDs.[21:42:49] <nielx> tqh: check it out at http://repos.haiku-os.org/firefox-2-haiku/[21:43:55] *** Serophos has joined #haiku[21:45:04] <replaced> but bsd has it in unistd.h[21:45:26] <replaced> in fact its pointless to have it in string.h[21:45:53] <mmu_man> Linux man says string.h[21:46:04] *** ari2-free has joined #haiku[21:46:36] <replaced> http://netbsd.gw.com/cgi-bin/man-cgi?strsignal++NetBSD-current[21:47:56] *** Serophos is now known as Serophos_[21:48:49] *** andguent has quit IRC[21:51:26] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[21:57:46] *** zizban has joined #haiku[21:58:46] *** Megaf has joined #Haiku[22:00:16] <umccullough> hmm... a zip created from Haiku won't install properly as an optionalpackage during the build on linux for me :([22:00:25] <umccullough> bunch of errors about bad file descriptor[22:00:34] *** sprma has quit IRC[22:00:44] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[22:02:38] <criso> umccullough, ?[22:02:44] <umccullough> exactly[22:02:51] <criso> I mean[22:02:56] <criso> zip of what?[22:03:01] <umccullough> bunch of html files[22:03:13] <umccullough> i can open the same zip on my windows box[22:03:15] <umccullough> using 7zip[22:03:29] *** spuopolo has joined #haiku[22:03:31] <umccullough> and when i re-created it using 7zip on windows, it worked fine in the build system[22:03:38] <umccullough> re-creating with linux now to see if that works as well[22:03:47] <umccullough> guessing something has gone wonky with zip-o-matic in haiku :([22:04:12] <umccullough> preventing the custom zip tool used during the build from using it properly[22:04:27] <umccullough> possibly related to attribute support[22:04:28] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[22:04:34] *** Megaf is now known as MegafEee[22:04:42] <zizban> I bet that is it--attributes[22:05:04] *** digitalteufel has joined #haiku[22:05:19] <umccullough> but i have to assume other zips in the optionalpackages have beos attrs in them as well (such as wonderbrush, pe, etc)[22:05:40] <zizban> ah[22:05:51] <zizban> well, that should be fun then[22:07:06] <digitalteufel> Getting close to alpha I see :)[22:07:17] <umccullough> the unzip tool used by the build system is one designed to handle attributes AFAIK[22:07:22] <zizban> ya, baby steps, it seems[22:07:28] <zizban> baby[22:07:38] <spuopolo> has anyone had soundplay working in haiku yet?[22:07:43] * umccullough had to revert axel's latest change to allow haiku to boot[22:07:56] <umccullough> spuopolo, newer versions of soundplay reported use a private API that won't be implemented in haiku[22:08:16] <umccullough> i heard the author was maybe going to release a fixed version of soundplay in the future ;)[22:08:51] <spuopolo> that would be cool, i'm trying to connect to my biys server with something in haiku but i'm stumped how to do it[22:09:00] <umccullough> biys?[22:09:35] <spuopolo> be in your stereo (uses robin hood, php, sound play streaming to internal net[22:09:53] <umccullough> no clue :)[22:10:03] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:10:16] <umccullough> reportedly, older versions of soundplay work in haiku[22:10:19] <spuopolo> it's a music server[22:10:30] <zizban> aaah[22:10:37] <zizban> I remember it[22:10:40] <spuopolo> do you know about which version back to try (I have a few)[22:10:51] <umccullough> let me see if it was mentioned on the mailing list[22:11:22] <spuopolo> biys gives you a http interface to your music collection using attributes, very handy[22:11:41] <umccullough> "You are and aren't: current SoundPlay won't run, but the last working[22:11:41] <umccullough> SoundPlay was version 4.7.3 - it only uses those private Be media[22:11:41] <umccullough> functions after that version.[22:11:42] <umccullough> "[22:12:00] <umccullough> that's from axeld on the mailing list back in 2006[22:12:04] <spuopolo> the box streams music using soundplay[22:12:09] <zizban> well, there you go[22:12:13] <spuopolo> thanks umccullough[22:13:30] <spuopolo> by the way, I have been using haiku rev. 28321 for days now, very stable. Congrats to all the devs involved. Extremely impressive work![22:13:57] <umccullough> here's the thread, btw: http://www.freelists.org/archives/openbeos/11-2006/msg00045.html[22:14:04] <erikl> umccullough: only vesa[22:14:05] <zizban> I am thinking of trying it...been a while since I have been in beos land (a couple of years)[22:14:24] <umccullough> erikl, aw :( what's the devid?[22:14:42] <zizban> are those pre-alpha images isos?[22:14:55] <umccullough> nope[22:14:56] <erikl> umccullough: devid? of the card?[22:15:00] <umccullough> yeah[22:15:07] <erikl> umccullough: I'm not sure, really.[22:15:08] <umccullough> listdev from haiku should tell you[22:15:17] <erikl> umccullough: I'm currently on gnu/l[22:15:21] <zizban> Okay, how then do I put them on a cd?[22:15:23] <umccullough> lspci -nn[22:15:26] <zizban> is that possible?[22:15:37] <umccullough> not really[22:15:47] <zizban> ah okay[22:15:57] <umccullough> not in any way i could explain anyhow ;)[22:16:02] <erikl> umccullough: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation GeForce 7600 GT [10de:02e0] (rev a2)[22:16:05] <umccullough> easier would be a dd it to a USB stick[22:16:14] <umccullough> 02e0 then...[22:16:16] <zizban> heh okay :)[22:16:17] <umccullough> let me check the driver[22:17:00] <umccullough> erikl, not in the driver[22:17:05] <umccullough> probably could just add it and try again :)[22:17:15] <umccullough> line 267[22:17:26] <umccullough> http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/nvidia/driver.c#L267[22:17:37] <spuopolo> did Marco have a falling out with Haiku?[22:17:59] <umccullough> erikl, and the accelerant also: http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_general.c#L137[22:18:16] <umccullough> probably just an extra case above 02e1[22:19:11] <umccullough> erikl, you should file a bug at http://dev.haiku-os.org to get it added with the lspci output[22:19:28] <umccullough> spuopolo, not that i know of[22:19:37] *** Serophos_ has quit IRC[22:19:56] <umccullough> i think bruno and axel spoke with him at the haiku google tech talk last year[22:19:57] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[22:20:05] <spuopolo> I read on bebits some request to marco to open source but no reply[22:20:20] <umccullough> well...lack of response usually indicates... lack of time/interest ;)[22:20:20] <spuopolo> that is encouraging, haiku without soundplay ain't right[22:20:50] <digitalteufel> Who's Marco?[22:21:00] <spuopolo> author of soundplay[22:21:12] <spuopolo> who's polo...couldn't resist[22:21:18] <erikl> umccullough: I'll try fix it; if I fail. I'll definitly ask for more help. Also, I'll be sure to file the bug later[22:21:35] <umccullough> erikl, sure - if you need help with a patch, let me know and i'll send you one :)[22:21:40] <umccullough> assuming i have time[22:22:31] *** VinDuv|laptop has quit IRC[22:22:43] <erikl> umccullough: a patch would be great, as I'm not a developer[22:22:56] <erikl> umccullough: thanks a lot for your time.[22:23:02] <umccullough> no problem :)[22:23:34] <erikl> I've been checking this out from time to time since -05[22:23:42] <umccullough> oh, i gave you the wrong location int he accelerant btw[22:23:44] <umccullough> my bad[22:23:46] <erikl> but never tested it on real hardware[22:24:02] <erikl> umccullough: luckly, you saw your own miss[22:24:10] <erikl> :)[22:24:34] <umccullough> probably just want to add the extra case here:[22:24:35] <umccullough> http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_general.c#L1200[22:25:02] <erikl> I'll be back later; peace.[22:25:04] <umccullough> case 0x02e010de: /* Nvidia GeForce 7600 GT */[22:25:10] <umccullough> later[22:25:18] <zizban> hasta[22:26:16] *** umccullough has quit IRC[22:26:22] *** umccullough has joined #haiku[22:26:34] <digitalteufel> A new version of gcc 2.95.3 is required to build now? :([22:26:45] <umccullough> not that i know of[22:27:44] *** pyCube has quit IRC[22:27:51] <digitalteufel> "GCC version 2.95.3-haiku-081024 is required!"[22:28:21] <umccullough> huh... funny cuz I think i'm building without it[22:28:27] <leszek> gn8@all[22:28:31] <umccullough> maybe the configure script requires it now[22:28:37] *** leszek has quit IRC[22:29:23] <digitalteufel> It does[22:29:43] <umccullough> i haven't re-configured since those updates were made, so i guess it doesn't matter yet ;)[22:30:01] <umccullough> http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/28327[22:30:54] <umccullough> the new version mostly just removes the declaration of __BEOS__ and adds a few more directories to locate libraries/headers in IIRC[22:33:10] <digitalteufel> Do you know where I can get a binary for Haiku?[22:33:20] <umccullough> the optional packages have been updated already[22:33:25] <digitalteufel> Ah[22:33:29] <umccullough> so, when you build a new haiku image, it will include the new version[22:34:19] <umccullough> you could probably just disable the check in the configure script and still succeed :P[22:34:23] <umccullough> but...no guarantees[22:34:32] <umccullough> guess that means i should update my build tools on my linux box as well[22:34:37] <digitalteufel> Actually I'm self hosting...[22:34:50] <zizban> cool?[22:34:55] <zizban> cool![22:36:15] <umccullough> yes, i understand, but... clearly everyone will need to update their build tools[22:36:22] <umccullough> no matter what host[22:37:09] <umccullough> i wonder if there shouldn't be a jamrule to check that before it starts to compile[22:37:28] <umccullough> at least with a warning ;)[22:37:46] <zizban> a warning then if they go for it :)[22:38:17] <digitalteufel> I'm just going to disable to check in the configure script and hope for the best.[22:41:28] <digitalteufel> Ok this should take something like 3 hours to finish.[22:42:13] <zizban> cya then :)[22:42:29] *** mats has quit IRC[22:44:51] <digitalteufel> Is the build broken?[22:47:39] *** tgiphil has joined #Haiku[22:48:09] <zizban> no idea[22:48:22] *** MegafEee is now known as MegafEee|NFS_HP2[22:51:52] <erikl> umccullough: is there a way to just recompile the accelerant and driver?[22:52:14] <erikl> umccullough: so I could replace it with the currently dd:ed image[22:52:25] <erikl> umccullough: images* nvidia files[22:57:11] <umccullough> yeah[22:57:25] <umccullough> jam -q nvidia.driver nvidia.accelerant i guess[22:57:30] <umccullough> or whatever their target names are[22:57:56] <umccullough> then copy them over the other ones i suppose[23:04:09] *** nielx has quit IRC[23:05:39] *** ddew|bofh has joined #haiku[23:05:41] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[23:05:44] <ddew|bofh> g'evening[23:05:44] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[23:06:25] <zizban> man writing an image to a usb stick is slooooooow[23:06:39] <ddew|bofh> with vmware? hells yeah[23:06:49] <zizban> heh[23:07:17] <ddew|bofh> anyone here used the ocz ssds?[23:08:03] <zizban> ?[23:08:19] <ddew|bofh> a 128GB ssd with 143/93 transferrates for about 500$ looks awfully sweet[23:08:37] <zizban> OH[23:08:51] <zizban> I don't have any experience with ssds[23:09:43] <ddew|bofh> i figure i'd be able to squeeze 6 hours of battery time out my smackbook with it[23:10:33] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[23:10:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[23:10:37] <zizban> ya probably could[23:10:56] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[23:11:01] <ddew|bofh> and i'm betting anything will be faster than a 5300rpm drive[23:12:44] <zizban> well, true. you could go find a 10000 rpm drive :)[23:13:11] <ddew|bofh> and get 15 minutes of batterytime :P[23:13:13] <CIA-60> axeld * r28340 /haiku/trunk/headers/private/drivers/ide_types.h:[23:13:13] <CIA-60> * As Marcus correctly pointed out indirectly, the bitmask for[23:13:13] <CIA-60> ide_mask_sector_count_48, and ide_mask_LBA_*_48 were all wrong.[23:13:13] <CIA-60> * Using the high byte in LBA48 mode should work now, too (wasn't written[23:13:13] <CIA-60> to the IDE controller before, but that shouldn't have been a problem yet with[23:13:14] <CIA-60> today's disks).[23:13:16] <umccullough> that you can cook with ;)[23:13:25] <zizban> heh[23:13:36] <zizban> brb[23:13:39] *** zizban has left #haiku[23:13:40] <mmu_man> maybe he got it this time ?[23:13:49] <ddew|bofh> yeah, that's really pissing me off. whenever i'm using any other os besides os x this gets insanely hot[23:14:04] <mmu_man> I mean ide[23:14:28] <umccullough> hopefully[23:15:06] <umccullough> i had to revert the last change to allow boot :([23:15:37] <ddew|bofh> hung at the rocket?[23:15:40] * umccullough just found a heineken that was put in the freezer several days ago[23:15:45] <umccullough> at the disk icon[23:15:53] <ddew|bofh> oh, nevermind then[23:16:04] <umccullough> nice and cold...but not frozen :)[23:16:31] <ddew|bofh> heh, sweet[23:16:58] <umccullough> <sigh> gotta look at my brother-in-law's windows box that got borged[23:17:10] <umccullough> fun[23:17:24] <spuopolo> install haiku and fix it[23:17:34] <umccullough> i doubt that would go over well[23:17:55] <spuopolo> yeah but the look would be priceless[23:18:07] <umccullough> so would the beating i'd endure ;)[23:18:51] <umccullough> of course, i could just leave it as-is and tell him to call HP ;)[23:18:59] <spuopolo> there ya go[23:19:13] <spuopolo> tell him it's windows 7[23:19:20] <umccullough> he's not that clueless[23:19:41] <umccullough> and honestly, i think it was his GF that did the damage anyway[23:19:49] <umccullough> she likes myspace[23:19:55] <spuopolo> ohhhh[23:20:06] <umccullough> just a hunch ;)[23:20:43] <umccullough> afaik, he uses firefox when browsing...but i'm not certain if she does[23:22:34] <spuopolo> btw, soundplay 4.7.3 is working fine in haiku, thanks for the help[23:24:17] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[23:29:35] <mmu_man> yeah a deadlock was fixed last week[23:30:55] <mmu_man> umccullough you're really wasting beer[23:31:06] <mmu_man> that's what it should be used for:[23:31:07] <mmu_man> http://www.totl.net/Eunuch/[23:32:12] <umccullough> mmu_man, the use of aluminum cans in that manner seems dangerous[23:33:16] <umccullough> it seems that in the end, they found lager to be inferior[23:33:51] <umccullough> so, i don't feel so bad :)[23:34:36] <ddew|bofh> holy mother of *bleep*[23:34:57] <ddew|bofh> are they high? an SX25 at 247mhz?[23:35:16] <ddew|bofh> methinks the spirits had more to do with the result than we're led to believe :P[23:36:11] <umccullough> 120mhz[23:36:19] *** zizban has joined #haiku[23:36:19] <umccullough> oh, right...247[23:36:34] <zizban> okay, my geriatric IBM can't boot from USB[23:41:09] <ddew|bofh> hmm, this was a pleasant surprise. haiku appears to be behaving much better than last week regarding ram usage[23:43:40] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[23:43:57] <zizban> well, there have been imporvements[23:44:34] <ddew|bofh> well yeah, but since last week?[23:44:39] <umccullough> sure :)[23:45:05] <umccullough> ingo has been pounding on stuff pretty hard lately[23:45:33] <zizban> with the drive to alpha and all[23:45:40] * umccullough wonders if he'll find any malware on the HP recovery partition[23:45:54] <ddew|bofh> heh, ingo is really kicking ass[23:46:21] *** rdmr has quit IRC[23:48:16] <ddew|bofh> is this mbp hadn't been such a pita to install additional oses on i'd install haiku on it[23:53:25] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[23:55:14] <umccullough> holy shit, how much crap could a windows recovery partition have on it :P[23:55:42] <thotypous> plop![23:55:49] <ddew|bofh> tons of crapware, eh? :)[23:55:58] <umccullough> yeah, it's an HP machine[23:56:05] <umccullough> "media center pc"[23:56:06] <umccullough> POS[23:56:13] <ddew|bofh> whoopie[23:56:38] <umccullough> goddamn recovery partition is nearly 9gb and almost full[23:56:42] <HeTo> ddew|bofh: doesn't it boot like any other PC (loads the MBR and emulates the BIOS) if you press option and choose Windows (or whatever it calls the non-Mac OS X choice)?[23:56:45] <umccullough> almost makes me sick[23:57:29] <ddew|bofh> HeTo: depends, some of the time it does that. i've got refit installed so it takes care of the mbr/gpt translation for me[23:58:13] <umccullough> why must Windows XP Tablet extensions be installed on a desktop pc?[23:58:21] <umccullough> ludicrous[23:58:28] <ddew|bofh> because HP are idiots?[23:58:31] <umccullough> likely[23:58:58] <ddew|bofh> they've probably got the same image for all their computers, from tablets to desktops[23:59:08] <umccullough> jeez, i just realized the 270gb main partition only has 13gb free... must be a lot of shit on there :)[23:59:30] * umccullough wonders what his brother-in-law downloads[23:59:41] <ddew|bofh> a good guess is porn[23:59:58] <HeTo> umccullough: now that's weird, does it have Windows Media Center?[23:59:59] <ddew|bofh> veryone's got porn