October 25, 2008 
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October 25, 2008 [00:00:58] *** andguent has quit IRC[00:05:10] *** Euver has joined #haiku[00:05:14] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[00:09:23] <Begasus> g'night peeps[00:09:35] *** Begasus has quit IRC[00:16:13] *** rdmr has quit IRC[00:17:43] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[00:21:47] *** RandomInsano has joined #haiku[00:25:02] *** paul0 has quit IRC[00:26:05] *** A-v-S has joined #haiku[00:31:07] *** AndrevS has quit IRC[00:48:11] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[00:49:28] *** ablyss has joined #haiku[00:57:52] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[00:58:11] *** oco_ has joined #haiku[00:58:15] *** Guma has quit IRC[00:58:25] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[00:58:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[00:58:32] <Duggan> wb[00:58:44] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[00:59:08] *** oco has quit IRC[00:59:08] *** Styrbjorn has quit IRC[00:59:08] *** Malmis has quit IRC[00:59:08] *** [JT] has quit IRC[00:59:08] *** oco_ is now known as oco[00:59:27] *** Styrbjorn has joined #haiku[00:59:27] *** [JT] has joined #haiku[00:59:27] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[01:04:25] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[01:08:20] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:09:08] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[01:09:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[01:09:23] <RandomInsano> Hello all[01:09:30] *** Corrupted_Packet has joined #haiku[01:10:52] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[01:12:01] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[01:13:52] *** ablyss has quit IRC[01:14:55] *** Kokito has quit IRC[01:15:26] *** Duggan has quit IRC[01:15:30] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[01:18:45] *** Euver has quit IRC[01:19:35] *** euzao has joined #haiku[01:19:37] <euzao> hey![01:19:45] <euzao> is Haiku Alpha out?[01:19:51] <RandomInsano> It... might be.[01:20:04] <RandomInsano> I think they just started building alpha-ish releases[01:20:14] <euzao> nice![01:20:22] <RandomInsano> Since there are still tickets related to 'alpha' in the bug tracker[01:20:40] <RandomInsano> It really just includes firefox and some other apps[01:20:58] <euzao> RandomInsano, it is really great[01:21:01] <AnEvilYak> nope, just test revisions, not an official Alpha at this point[01:21:02] <euzao> I'm anxious to test it[01:21:17] <euzao> AnEvilYak, something like a Release Candidate, correct?[01:21:28] <RandomInsano> It's not official until someone says it is :P[01:21:49] <AnEvilYak> I guess that'd be about the best way to describe it right now, they're more just so we have an image in the same configuration we'll actually be distributing the alpha in for testing to see how close we are[01:21:56] <AnEvilYak> since the normal build factory images are pretty barebones[01:22:15] <AnEvilYak> there'll be an announcement on the page when Alpha's officially out[01:22:25] <RandomInsano> Someone should put an install script for firefox in the buiild[01:22:28] <euzao> AnEvilYak, it's been long years, hasn't it?[01:22:35] <AnEvilYak> mm...7?[01:22:43] <euzao> yes hehe[01:23:07] *** markos__ has quit IRC[01:23:12] <euzao> AnEvilYak, but when it got released, you'll see a lot of programmers enter the project[01:23:18] *** markos__ has joined #haiku[01:23:21] <AnEvilYak> perhaps, we'll see[01:24:08] <RandomInsano> I'm excited stippi may have fixed the input-sever crashing that's been around since rev 28233 or so.[01:24:47] <RandomInsano> I'm waiting for the image to be released on haiku-files so I can test it[01:25:21] <AnEvilYak> that build seems fine here, but I never hit the input_server crash on this box anyways so not really the best subjective evaluation there[01:25:34] <RandomInsano> Heh[01:26:22] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[01:26:36] <RandomInsano> Well, it was sort of odd to have gdb on the desktop background and still be able to resize and move the terminal window[01:26:44] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:26:53] <RandomInsano> Seems there was a way to work through it, but it was rather annoying as you might imagine[01:28:59] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[01:28:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[01:29:04] <RandomInsano> Now I just need to figure out how to file tickets... There are a few lurking bugs with Haiku on my laptop[01:29:53] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[01:30:17] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[01:30:27] <AnEvilYak> hm..odd.[01:30:35] <RandomInsano> Hmm?[01:30:59] <euzao> AnEvilYak, Haiku need people to help test it[01:31:04] <euzao> when it releases alpha[01:31:34] <RandomInsano> I've heard the 'too many testers is a bad thing argument' already...[01:32:37] <RandomInsano> Makes too much traffic in the bug tracking and it's hard to keep organized and whatnot.[01:32:46] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[01:32:54] <RandomInsano> It's the reason there's no LiveCD or so I've read[01:33:30] <AnEvilYak> the bigger problem I've seen is random people who've never used Haiku or BeOS before filing a bazillion bugs because things behave differently from how they're used to in GNOME or whatever[01:34:00] <RandomInsano> I still want to file a bug for 'window title does not fix length of window' :P[01:34:09] <AnEvilYak> ?[01:34:38] <RandomInsano> The whole BeOS title bar feel. I'm slowly getting used to it not extending the length of the window[01:34:57] * AnEvilYak pets tabs[01:35:10] <RandomInsano> My legitimate problems are with USB and Networking drivers[01:35:39] <RandomInsano> It's actually nice when there are windows on top of each other. That way even NetPositive can have tabs![01:35:58] <euzao> RandomInsano, doing that in a organized way[01:36:34] <RandomInsano> Hmm? Bug reports or the wonders of tab moving around?[01:38:21] *** Xenexi has joined #haiku[01:38:37] <RandomInsano> It would actually be nice to be able to work with users to help them file meaningful bug reports[01:39:02] <RandomInsano> Or have a document says "Five steps to a better bug report" and just telling them to RTFM[01:39:38] <AnEvilYak> you're assuming people read documents ;)[01:41:43] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:42:14] *** umccullough_w has joined #haiku[01:42:23] <RandomInsano> It's more a mean way of telling them to take their problem and go away. But if they read it and come back then hurrah for bug tracker[01:42:36] <RandomInsano> Does anyone know how to actually file a bug?[01:42:48] <RandomInsano> I'm looking all over Trac and I've got nothing[01:42:53] <AnEvilYak> New Ticket[01:42:57] <AnEvilYak> assuming you have a trac account[01:43:01] * mmadia likes using nail files on bugs ;)[01:43:03] <RandomInsano> Now if I could find that[01:43:07] <AnEvilYak> otherwise that button will not show up[01:43:19] <RandomInsano> I registered and am now logged in yes[01:43:36] <AnEvilYak> to the left of Search in the button bar[01:43:36] <RandomInsano> Ah ha![01:44:18] <RandomInsano> It's not there... BUT! If I go to dev.haiku-os.org there's instructions![01:46:02] <RandomInsano> It seems there's four steps to filing a better bug report :P[01:47:15] <umccullough_w> "new ticket" is definitely there in the upper right when you've logged in[01:47:22] *** Duggan has quit IRC[01:47:38] <RandomInsano> Well I'm an idiot. Give me a moment here[01:48:36] <RandomInsano> Ah ha! So there it is. Another blond moment.[01:49:05] <RandomInsano> I have read the wonderful instructions. "Together we can improve Haiku, bit by bit." makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside[01:50:36] * umccullough_w sends RandomInsano some whiskey just for good meaasure[01:50:39] <umccullough_w> measure even[01:51:28] <umccullough_w> RandomInsano, what OSes do you generally use/experiment with?[01:52:30] <RandomInsano> Ermm... I use Windows XP and Ubuntu Linux interchangeably (each has certain advantages), OpenBSD for any server stuff (because I love pf and making things hard on myself) and lately Haiku on my laptop[01:52:50] <RandomInsano> I've tried ReactOS and MinuetOS very very lightly[01:53:24] <RandomInsano> Or anything you can recommend to me umccullough[01:54:39] <umccullough_w> just curious :)[01:55:10] *** Xenexi has quit IRC[01:55:54] <RandomInsano> Haiku is sort of my main focus at the moment. I become interested in certain things then learn as much as I can about them until I get bored. I really enjoy how Haiku's organized though. That and I absolutely hate X in any incarnation. If I can use it as my main OS, I'll be quite happy[01:57:25] <RandomInsano> I mainly use Linux for gcc, a program called conduit, and watching the updater progress bars fill.[01:57:53] <umccullough_w> you like all those updates too? :)[01:58:14] <umccullough_w> i love how it interrupts you with the update window while you're trying to do something else..that's my favorite part[01:58:35] <RandomInsano> I've got a love for those filling bars. As I fill I feel as though real progress is being made :P[01:58:50] <RandomInsano> *they fill[01:59:24] <umccullough_w> maybe when it's done, it should let out a satisifed sigh of contentment[02:00:09] <mmu_man> or it could yell a climax sound of joy[02:00:15] <RandomInsano> I certainly do. Nothing's better on a Friday night than a good update[02:00:21] <RandomInsano> LMAO[02:00:47] <umccullough_w> mmu_man, i think that part comes when it hits 99%[02:00:49] <mmu_man> "Oh yes, YES! Oh DISK IS FULL!"[02:00:56] <mmu_man> Installus interumptus[02:01:04] <umccullough_w> nice :)[02:02:13] <mmu_man> (then usually ppl take a cigarette... that's where is_computer_on_fire() is actually useful :p)[02:05:43] *** Corrupted_Packet has quit IRC[02:06:13] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[02:08:43] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[02:17:34] *** Megaf has joined #Haiku[02:18:27] *** zizban has joined #haiku[02:24:07] *** wildur_ has quit IRC[02:24:13] *** oco has quit IRC[02:26:26] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[02:33:58] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[02:35:44] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[02:40:08] * umccullough_w is falling asleep here[02:41:41] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[02:43:21] <zizban> then go to sleep[02:44:01] <Al2O3> so we are pre alpha announcements, yet again?[02:44:02] <Al2O3> :)[02:47:11] <zizban> ya announce it late at night so no one notices[02:47:13] <zizban> good idea[02:47:25] <zizban> :)[02:50:09] <umccullough_w> late at night in which timezone?[02:50:14] *** Stefan100 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was available and all was froze[05:29:59] <AlienSoldier> boot ok now, gonna retry that warm restart[05:32:48] <AlienSoldier> no, can't replicate it[05:34:49] <AlienSoldier> found it in kernel[05:36:37] <AlienSoldier> ... sure boot slow on those old 152M Seagate :)[05:36:44] <AlienSoldier> *512[05:37:56] <AlienSoldier> no suprprise, shutdown work (it worked in R5)[05:39:48] <umccullough> oh, that reminds me[05:40:02] <umccullough> i should see if the swap support allows haiku to boot on my old P75 laptop with 40mb RAM[06:05:31] <JonathanThompson> That'd be interesting if it works well enough ;)[06:07:37] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[06:13:40] *** Xenexi has quit IRC[06:22:25] <DeadYak> AlienSoldier: the KDL-looking screen with gdb is fake_app_server, it's what you get if the app_server crashes[06:25:37] <AlienSoldier> DeadYak nice to know[06:26:17] <DeadYak> AlienSoldier: it's basically a very simple framebuffer console[06:26:29] <DeadYak> so it's at least possible to debug what went wrong if the app_server crashes[06:41:03] * JonathanThompson purrs in semaphore flag code into the channel[06:41:22] <DeadYak> lol[06:41:29] <DeadYak> if it weren't for Monty Python I totally wouldn't know what that was[06:41:45] * pyCube calls a meeting, because thats how things get done[06:42:09] <JonathanThompson> Monty Python: the modern maintainer of old communication methods ;)[06:42:29] <DeadYak> JonathanThompson: iirc it was Wuthering Heights re-enacted by the Semaphore Code Society[06:42:41] <JonathanThompson> Amongst other things, yes.[06:42:50] <DeadYak> what made them come up with *that* combination, I have no idea[06:42:54] <pyCube> DeadYak: i think it was via python that i flearned that too[06:43:38] <pyCube> my guess is that is an example of something very languagey in a human way, and the idea of conveying all that passion etc via flags is hilarious[06:43:46] <JonathanThompson> I think it was purposely something as emotional/chickish as possible to emphasize the insanity of it.[06:44:33] <DeadYak> pyCube: yeah, I totally busted up laughing when it listed that[06:45:18] <pyCube> i still laugh whenever that particular episode gets played[06:45:24] <pyCube> ..among many[06:45:41] <DeadYak> pyCube: we've been working our way through the complete Flying Circus via netflix[06:46:10] <pyCube> the skit about the old german composer with the insanely long name.. that one kills me for some reason[06:46:43] <pyCube> how they refuse to use articles, instead alway say his name.. hehe[06:46:52] <DeadYak> Ministry of the Silly Walks kills me every time, no matter how often I see it[06:46:52] <geist> that's a good one[06:47:01] <geist> that is my fave[06:47:15] <pyCube> and of course argument clinic[06:47:19] <DeadYak> :)[06:47:23] <pyCube> i can think about it without giggling[06:47:26] <DeadYak> That's not an argument, that's a contradiction[06:47:27] <DeadYak> ![06:48:00] <pyCube> i prefer cheese shop to dead parrot[06:48:21] <geist> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqhlQfXUk7w[06:49:07] <DeadYak> One of my personal favorites is still the self defense vs fresh fruit one[06:49:54] <pyCube> the action chase montage section of the skit with the pantomime horse as a secret agent.. i like that a lot too[06:50:02] <pyCube> for pure silliness[06:50:17] <pyCube> pantomime horse riding a tandem bicycle.. brilliant[06:50:38] * DeadYak attacks pyCube with a passion fruit[06:51:03] <pyCube> oh, and the silly fish dance thing[06:51:09] <DeadYak> the fish slapping dance? :)[06:51:12] <pyCube> yeah[06:51:13] <pyCube> that one[06:51:14] <pyCube> hehe[06:51:20] <DeadYak> that was great :D[06:52:14] <pyCube> i think my fav skit has to be the dennis the peasant bit in the holy grail[06:52:40] <DeadYak> is that the "help help, I'm being oppressed" guy?[06:52:46] <pyCube> yeah[06:52:55] <DeadYak> yeah, that was probably my favorite part of holy grail[06:54:43] <DeadYak> by and large my favorite of the movies is probably life of brian[06:54:59] <DeadYak> another hilarious skit by the way: the mixed up hungarian phrase book[06:59:28] *** Xenexi has joined #haiku[07:00:52] *** Euver has joined #haiku[07:16:25] *** auntieNeo has quit IRC[07:24:09] *** Master199 has quit IRC[07:26:34] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[07:30:32] *** Euver has quit IRC[07:33:12] *** Malmis has quit IRC[07:33:12] *** Styrbjorn has quit IRC[07:33:12] *** [JT] has quit IRC[07:33:31] *** Styrbjorn has joined #haiku[07:33:31] *** [JT] has joined #haiku[07:33:31] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[07:44:50] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[08:15:47] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[08:22:36] *** adb has quit IRC[08:27:45] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[08:28:39] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[08:29:49] <Begasus> moin[08:40:27] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[08:42:40] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[08:44:27] *** BePhantom is now known as BePhantom-haiku[08:44:41] *** BePhantom-haiku is now known as BePhantom-at-hai[08:45:07] *** BePhantom-at-hai is now known as BePhantom-haiku[08:49:47] <BePhantom-haiku> haiku alpha rocks :)[08:50:09] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[08:54:49] <Begasus> and the input server prob is solved ;)[08:55:54] <BePhantom-haiku> yay! such exciting times[08:56:41] <BePhantom-haiku> i wish i could set video resolution to 1280x800[08:57:17] <Begasus> mine is ;)[08:57:29] <BePhantom-haiku> no wide screen support yet as far as i've seen[08:57:31] *** nielx has joined #haiku[08:58:21] <nielx> /msg nickserv identify -mUA4E1i[08:58:27] <nielx> damn :-)[08:58:30] <Begasus> jikes!![08:58:31] <Begasus> rofl[08:58:37] <BePhantom-haiku> heh[08:58:41] <Begasus> moin nielx[08:58:46] <nielx> hello :-)[08:59:03] <nielx> ah, there was a space :-P[08:59:19] <BePhantom-haiku> begasus do you know how to change video resolution to 1280x800?[08:59:53] <BePhantom-haiku> that would make my life much simpler :D[08:59:58] <Begasus> Haiku set it itself for me it seems BePhantom-haiku[09:01:04] <BePhantom-haiku> crap :P[09:02:38] <BePhantom-haiku> senyru allows me to set that resolution[09:02:50] <BePhantom-haiku> haiku doesnt :P[09:04:33] <Begasus> can't change the resolution also in Haiku .. just the refreshrate ... but that's ok with me[09:06:00] <BePhantom-haiku> you on VM?[09:06:13] <Begasus> nope native (on the laptop)[09:06:19] <BePhantom-haiku> awesome[09:06:29] <Begasus> running ZETA here on the pc ...[09:06:36] <Begasus> still no network on the laptop :/[09:06:40] <BePhantom-haiku> do you mind telling me the HW spec?[09:07:02] <Begasus> Aspire 5612WLMi[09:07:13] <Begasus> google should tell you more I think ;)[09:08:49] <BePhantom-haiku> that's some nice lappy[09:09:31] <BePhantom-haiku> i'm also on a laptop but i run haiku under vmware[09:09:57] <BePhantom-haiku> cant wait for the live cd to test my hw compatibility[09:11:11] <Begasus> ;)[09:11:35] <BePhantom-haiku> i wonder if haiku supports intel 945 chipset[09:12:36] <BePhantom-haiku> well, i'll find out eventually :P[09:13:56] <BePhantom-haiku> will reboot, brb[09:14:00] *** BePhantom-haiku has quit IRC[09:42:55] *** pyCube has quit IRC[09:48:55] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[09:53:59] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[09:54:36] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[09:55:40] <plfiorini> moin[09:56:31] <Begasus> moin[10:01:46] *** pyCube has quit IRC[10:03:06] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[10:08:30] <Monni> niom[10:09:14] *** fanskap has joined #haiku[10:12:33] *** danboid has joined #haiku[10:12:46] <danboid> Hi![10:13:26] <danboid> Does Haiku support centrino wireless? What about wpa(2)?[10:16:02] <danboid> Also, wasn't the main guy behind QT ex-BeOS? Are there any plans to port QT4 to Haiku?[10:16:50] <Monni> it doesn't support wireless at all ;)[10:18:35] <Monni> QT is pretty ambious acronym... it can mean several things...[10:18:45] <Monni> ambiguous ;)[10:20:07] *** Styrbjorn has quit IRC[10:20:34] <Monni> if you mean Qt toolkit, then the answer is yes... there is plans to port newer version of Qt toolkit...[10:20:42] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[10:21:09] *** senry-user has quit IRC[10:22:48] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[10:28:09] *** fanskap has quit IRC[10:28:28] *** slaad has joined #haiku[10:33:14] <danboid> Monni: Of course I meant QT. What else would I mean 'cutey'?[10:33:37] <danboid> Good to hear its being ported though- has work already started?[10:33:52] <Monni> QT also means QuickTime[10:34:29] <danboid> don't think that was developed by a BeOS guy was it?[10:34:38] <danboid> but yeah you're right[10:35:01] <danboid> but for that I know ffmpeg will be available[10:35:06] <Monni> I only know that one dev said he's going to start working on it...[10:35:20] <danboid> big job for one guy![10:35:40] <danboid> I thought there'd be a bit more interest[10:36:01] <Monni> some people are like that... when they start working on a project, they put 100% in it...[10:36:13] <danboid> There are some really very cool QT4 apps for Linux now. LMMS, KDEnlive, Musescore, Krita etc.[10:36:23] <danboid> KOffice[10:36:31] <Monni> I have Qt 4.x apps myself[10:37:05] <danboid> I want to be able to tun LMMS and KDEnlive under Haiku one day[10:37:32] <Monni> I also did QNX port of Qt myself when they launched Neutrino...[10:37:43] <danboid> Oooh![10:38:01] <danboid> Qt, what version- 1.x, 2.x, 3.x?[10:38:04] <Monni> I've also worked on Qt 3.x for Intel MacOS[10:38:51] <danboid> You'rte not a Trolltech or whatever they're called now employee are you? (Nokia)[10:38:59] *** Begasus has quit IRC[10:39:05] <danboid> qtsoft or something[10:39:06] <Monni> danboid: Nah... I work for government ;)[10:39:21] <danboid> oh great- even nicer! :)[10:39:34] <danboid> Which gov, US?[10:39:38] <Monni> Finnish[10:39:50] <danboid> oh right[10:40:04] <Monni> not hard to guess from hostname ;)[10:40:17] <danboid> How popular is Linux in Finland now?[10:40:26] <Monni> it was invented in Finland ;)[10:40:39] <danboid> yeah I know that[10:40:48] <danboid> but doesn't mean it poular[10:41:22] <danboid> and I think RMS would argue that point too ;)[10:41:25] <Monni> Most of my relatives use Linux... and I guess it's userbase is still growing... Windows is still pretty strong...[10:42:25] <Monni> after they released Vista, Windows user base started getting smaller...[10:42:27] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[10:42:54] <Monni> it's pretty much either *BSD or Linux as an alternative for Vista...[10:42:55] <danboid> IMO one of the main things now is wifi- networkmanager STINKS. wicd works better but is still missing from Ubuntu and Debian. Wifi is VERY important to most users and if its not easy to setup- forget it[10:43:30] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[10:43:30] <danboid> there is Antix linux that comes with wicd and is based on Debian but few know about that[10:43:41] <danboid> and Mandriva has good wifi too[10:43:42] <Monni> everyone here is just telling how good HSDPA is... no-one talks about wireless except companies....[10:43:48] <danboid> but Mandriva is buggy[10:44:04] <danboid> wifi isa very popular in UK[10:44:28] <danboid> 3G HDSPA are expensive[10:45:04] <danboid> too expensive to be a Lijnux adoption showstopper ala poor wifi/ net config tool[10:45:29] <Monni> 3G is pretty cheap in Finland... starting from 9 EUR or so per month...[10:45:42] <Monni> wireless internet is over 100 EUR just for start[10:46:41] <danboid> Don't think wicd does 3G / HDSPA so I wouldn't want to even try it. NM is absolutely useless IMO[10:46:48] <Monni> regular internet is around 80 EUR for start and then about the same price as HSDPA[10:47:03] <Monni> wvdial does HSDPA ;)[10:47:19] <danboid> really![10:47:40] <Monni> I tried it myself... needs few changes in the config but it works[10:48:01] <Monni> using Huawei E220 and SuSE[10:48:39] <Monni> it's simple as bootstrapping wvdial from usb_serial[10:50:22] <Monni> it's pretty much changing the default port, changing init string to tell PIN code to the modem and then setting up phone number, username and password[10:50:42] *** tqh has joined #haiku[10:52:41] *** plfiorini_ has joined #haiku[11:07:41] *** Styrbjorn has joined #haiku[11:08:28] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[11:08:41] *** emitrax has quit IRC[11:09:37] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[11:11:04] *** Styrbjorn has quit IRC[11:11:20] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[11:13:02] *** Styrbjorn has joined #haiku[11:18:01] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[11:22:10] *** tqh has quit IRC[11:23:40] *** sprma has joined #haiku[11:32:04] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[11:35:14] *** cryptic has joined #haiku[11:35:14] *** aphedox has quit IRC[11:35:19] *** cryptic is now known as aphedox[11:42:35] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[11:42:36] *** slaad has quit IRC[11:45:50] *** tqh has joined #haiku[11:51:29] *** sprma has quit IRC[11:53:08] *** cherrylap has quit IRC[11:56:14] *** cherry` has quit IRC[12:08:07] *** _maniac_ has quit IRC[12:22:40] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[12:26:30] *** Begasus has quit IRC[12:26:30] *** Malmis has quit IRC[12:26:30] *** [JT] has quit IRC[12:27:06] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[12:27:19] *** [JT] has joined #haiku[12:27:19] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[12:35:28] *** stippi has joined #haiku[12:35:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[12:36:06] *** Begasus has quit IRC[12:36:18] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[12:37:07] *** mmadia has quit IRC[12:55:50] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[13:04:34] *** stippi has quit IRC[13:05:16] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[13:05:34] <kr1stof> moin[13:06:27] *** tqh has quit IRC[13:07:21] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[13:07:48] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[13:09:23] <CIA-60> stippi * r28322 /haiku/trunk/data/artwork/icons/ (9 files): New and updated icon work by zuMi! Thanks a lot![13:11:12] *** stippi has joined #haiku[13:11:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[13:16:32] *** sprma has joined #haiku[13:17:05] *** tqh has joined #haiku[13:17:28] *** VinDuv|Haiku has joined #haiku[13:18:31] *** Euver has joined #haiku[13:26:54] *** Stefan100|zZz is now known as Stefan100[13:27:20] *** Euver has quit IRC[13:35:06] *** rdmr has quit IRC[13:45:53] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[13:48:01] *** tqh has quit IRC[13:49:32] *** Barrett666_ has joined #haiku[13:49:47] *** tqh has joined #haiku[13:57:14] *** tqh has quit IRC[13:58:54] <Begasus> re[13:59:14] <Begasus> stippi, !!! thnx for the update yesterday on the input server ;)[14:00:00] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku[14:06:36] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[14:16:49] *** stippi has quit IRC[14:18:35] *** tqh has joined #haiku[14:21:24] *** bSON has joined #haiku[14:21:29] <bSON> hi[14:21:37] <bSON> where do i put deskbar add-ons?[14:21:47] *** sprma has quit IRC[14:24:49] *** stippi has joined #haiku[14:24:49] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[14:26:31] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[14:26:54] <bSON> is there a deskbar add-on directory?[14:27:50] <CIA-60> axeld * r28323 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/lib/kernel_vsprintf.c:[14:27:50] <CIA-60> * Make the kernel (and boot loader) version of vsnprintf() (that backs up all[14:27:50] <CIA-60> formatted printing) aware of '%%', closing bug #2953.[14:36:53] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[14:37:33] *** bSON has quit IRC[14:41:01] <Begasus> http://zeta-games.com/components/com_remository_files/file_image_106/img_106_01.png new one online ;)[14:46:59] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[15:06:26] *** databridge has joined #haiku[15:09:41] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[15:10:29] *** xxploit has quit IRC[15:13:37] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[15:14:18] <thotypous> hi[15:20:43] *** danboid has quit IRC[15:41:28] *** VinDuv|Haiku has quit IRC[15:47:07] *** thotypous has quit IRC[15:47:22] *** bSON has joined #haiku[15:47:26] <bSON> hi[15:48:13] <bSON> has anybody ever successfully built and compiled im kit trunk (from osdrawer.net, w/ OSCAR protocol plugin) on haiku?[15:49:19] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[15:51:22] *** xxploit has joined #haiku[15:54:37] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[15:54:48] <brobostigon> hi[15:55:03] <brobostigon> i have notices that the raw images now are in zip format[15:55:55] <brobostigon> and why the name change on the images"http://haiku-files.org/raw/haiku-alpha-r28321-raw.zip" ?[16:05:33] *** cherrylap has joined #haiku[16:10:12] *** criso has joined #haiku[16:11:58] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28324 /buildtools/trunk/legacy/gcc/gcc/config/i386/haiku.h:[16:11:58] <CIA-60> Adjusted default include paths:[16:11:58] <CIA-60> * Use "3rdparty" instead of "gnu".[16:11:58] <CIA-60> * Added "bsd".[16:11:58] <CIA-60> * Added "/boot/common/include".[16:13:39] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28325 /buildtools/trunk/legacy/ (binutils/bfd/version.h gcc/gcc/version.c): Bumped version.[16:16:05] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28326 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages: Updated gcc 2.95.3 package.[16:18:16] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28327 /haiku/trunk/configure: Require new GCC version.[16:20:15] <Begasus> new gcc version? ... updating! ... ;)[16:21:05] <Begasus> well .. new ;)[16:23:00] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[16:24:11] <Begasus> bSON, I don't know in Haiku but in ZETA I had to setup the headers and lib's needed for im_kit ... maybe you're missing something?[16:30:26] <bSON> Begasus: the problem is (a) the jam build system doesn't seem to install everything when I run "jam install" and (b) the OSCAR plugin complains about no BONE support[16:31:06] * JonathanThompson hands bSON some peanut butter to go with his jam, expects Begasus to hand him some tea (Sound of Music reference)[16:31:18] <Begasus> aloha JonathanThompson[16:31:33] <JonathanThompson> Since when did you go to Hawaii? :P[16:31:44] <Begasus> bSON, check where imkit checks for BONE (eg -lbind instances probly)[16:32:48] <Begasus> if so .. check if changing "-lbind -lsocked" into "-lnetwork" works[16:37:15] <bSON> i tried to disable the BONE check, but the code constantly looks for header in the wrong places because a macro BONE_BUILD is not set[16:37:36] <bSON> i added a #define in the source code, but this is rather hackish[16:38:06] *** xxploit has quit IRC[16:38:45] <Begasus> did a checkout earlier in ZETA ... not in Haiku yet ...[16:39:03] <Begasus> haven't looked into it yet either ...[16:39:58] *** stippi has quit IRC[16:43:01] *** xxploit has joined #haiku[16:43:56] *** adb has joined #haiku[16:45:01] *** rdmr has quit IRC[16:53:37] *** eazel7 has joined #haiku[16:53:48] <eazel7> hi ppl[16:54:30] <eazel7> I have noteiced that there are alpha builds on the build factory, and that they are much larger than before, is there any page with info about this?[17:02:13] <tqh> they are pre-alpha just a naming problem.[17:03:22] <Begasus> 'lo tqh[17:03:27] <Begasus> hi eazel7[17:03:54] <tqh> hi[17:04:52] <brobostigon> tqh: whats in the alpha names images thats making them on twice the size?[17:05:05] *** Guma has joined #haiku[17:05:25] <Begasus> 3d-party apps maybe ?[17:07:19] <Begasus> didn't even knew they added alpha in the images ;)[17:09:51] *** MrSunshine_ has quit IRC[17:10:01] *** MrSunshine_ has joined #haiku[17:12:48] <eazel7> I was wondering the same[17:12:54] <eazel7> they're much larger[17:13:04] <eazel7> hope they to include a dev environment[17:13:06] <eazel7> like BeIDE[17:13:14] <eazel7> it would be great[17:14:20] <tqh> brobostigon, dunno[17:15:01] *** alukard has joined #haiku[17:19:35] *** plfiorini_ has quit IRC[17:24:26] <Begasus> there's no BeIDE afaik in/for Haiku ... not even in 3d party apps[17:24:39] <Begasus> pe is nice though[17:25:06] <Begasus> only one way to find out eazel7[17:27:13] <Begasus> anyone running Haiku with SDL etc installed?[17:28:36] <Ingenu> not me[17:28:43] <Ingenu> don't even have an image of it[17:28:45] <Begasus> hehe[17:28:54] <Ingenu> correcting that[17:29:10] <Begasus> howdy Ingenu .. how's it going?[17:29:40] <Ingenu> it's going slowly, been unemployed since I left Funcom back at the end of July[17:29:48] <Begasus> compiled powermanga earlier today ... checked it in R5 and ZETA where it's working ...[17:29:58] <Begasus> don't have a full SDL Haiku install atm to check ...[17:30:00] <Ingenu> powermanga ?[17:30:04] <Begasus> yeah[17:30:13] <Begasus> http://linux.tlk.fr/games/Powermanga/[17:30:16] <Begasus> neat game ;)[17:30:19] *** alukard has quit IRC[17:30:19] *** Guma has quit IRC[17:30:19] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[17:30:43] <eazel7> I am running the latest alpha build[17:30:44] <Ingenu> mmmh[17:30:45] *** alukard has joined #haiku[17:30:45] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[17:30:46] <eazel7> it has firefox[17:30:54] <Ingenu> I'm so bored I can play flash games ;p[17:30:56] <Begasus> hi kr1stof ![17:31:01] <Begasus> rofl Ingenu[17:31:07] <Ingenu> rly ? it has firefox ?[17:31:16] <Begasus> still no new job Ingenu ?[17:31:33] <brobostigon> eazel7: there is no mention anywhere, not even on haiku-os.org that haiku is now alpha status.[17:31:50] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[17:32:38] <Begasus> bias[17:32:39] <eazel7> the build factory files are named alpha[17:32:48] <eazel7> and the build actually includes much more applications[17:32:53] <eazel7> BePDF, Mozilla, etc[17:33:24] <eazel7> I don't know if it is alpha or not, but I will call it alpha, since that's the name the build recieved[17:34:06] <brobostigon> eazel7: i find the best is to name after the revision number,[17:36:32] <eazel7> 28321[17:36:46] <Ingenu> weird[17:36:50] <Ingenu> Qemu doesn't work anymore :([17:37:04] <Ingenu> Begasus, yeah still unemployed... at least I have free time[17:48:46] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[17:48:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[17:49:00] <Begasus> re[17:49:20] <Begasus> look on the bright side Ingenu ... you have time to spend on Haiku now ;)[17:51:36] *** atomozero has joined #haiku[17:51:46] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[17:52:01] * Begasus pets DeadYak[17:53:06] <kr1stof> Herr Schrijvers? Wie gehts? :-D[17:53:43] <Begasus> hehe[17:53:52] <Begasus> ist schon wieder lange her kr1stof ;)[17:53:57] <Begasus> mir gehts gut danke[17:54:04] <kr1stof> :-)[17:54:13] <Begasus> how's it going there?[17:54:21] <Begasus> long time no speak[17:54:22] <kr1stof> I finnaly managed to get a job.[17:54:29] <Begasus> great![17:54:29] * brobostigon gehts auch gut, nur einiges an rucken schmerzen.[17:54:30] <kr1stof> indeed[17:54:48] <Begasus> been there a short while back brobostigon ;)[17:55:02] <brobostigon> lol[17:55:04] <Begasus> still working on an interim base here from january ...[17:55:05] *** Barrett666_ has quit IRC[17:55:08] <Begasus> works fine for me so far[17:55:16] <kr1stof> brobostigon: Same here. This is very common if you have an office job.[17:55:16] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[17:55:39] <Begasus> it's an overall prob kr1stof ;)[17:55:53] <Begasus> in the construction buisiness it's the same trust me ;)[17:55:59] <kr1stof> :-D[17:56:36] <brobostigon> kr1stof: i have osteoporsis, so my back pain should be considered slightly more worrying than normal, but thats a complicated story.[17:56:40] <Begasus> kr1stof, are you doing anything BeOS related stuff lately?[17:56:52] <kr1stof> Unfortunately I have very limited time left for sitting at the computer.[17:56:58] <Begasus> same prob brobostigon ...[17:57:10] <Begasus> to bad kr1stof :s[17:57:13] <brobostigon> i spend most of my day at computers,[17:57:18] <kr1stof> I gave it up almost completly[17:57:37] <brobostigon> Begasus: its not nice, i just have been told to be carefull, and hope,[17:57:38] <Begasus> if I can't walk due to backpain the only place that I can sit is at the desktop ;)[17:58:02] <Begasus> yeah brobostigon ... it happens when you least expect it ...[17:58:48] <Begasus> and deppending on the degree of problems you have probly also ..[17:58:51] <brobostigon> Begasus: thats how i broke my hip last year, when i least wanted it to, and i am only 26 aswell. to makes things worse.[17:59:03] *** petterhj has quit IRC[17:59:09] <Begasus> there's no age for it ... :s[17:59:26] <Begasus> iirc it's something you are born with ...[17:59:38] * Begasus is getting old ... :P[18:00:08] <brobostigon> Begasus: my doctor described by back bones as if they were a honeycomb.[18:00:16] <brobostigon> my*[18:00:32] <brobostigon> so a desk job works well for me.[18:01:21] <Begasus> then you have time enough to spend at the Desktop to work on Haiku related stuff? <eg>[18:01:28] *** acidx has joined #haiku[18:01:31] <brobostigon> yay[18:02:06] <Begasus> are you into IT brobostigon ?[18:02:12] <Begasus> as in ... educated ....[18:02:24] <Begasus> *bad English ...[18:02:38] <brobostigon> i had the weirdest problem last night, i fired up a build, on real hardware, and asoon as i fired up wget to get firefox, haiku frooze, and i had to hard restart,[18:03:04] <brobostigon> Begasus: i am a qualified computer engineer, 2 A-Levels.[18:03:32] <Begasus> errr ... that's way above my skills I presume ^^[18:04:16] <brobostigon> Begasus: A-Levels, are the qualification you do in england, just before you go to university.[18:05:13] <Begasus> anything above my skills are good enough to step in ;)[18:05:18] <Begasus> although ...[18:05:24] <Begasus> wouldn't be that hard ... hehe[18:05:26] <brobostigon> so i spend the afternoon these days running "svn up" and "sudo jam -q" in the afternoon, and testing it in the evening[18:06:11] <Begasus> when I have time to spend in the morning I try to run Haiku nativly on the laptop to port/compile libraries[18:06:13] <DeadYak> brobostigon: what graphics chipset do you have?[18:06:32] <brobostigon> DeadYak: my test machine has a riva tnt.[18:06:34] <DeadYak> ah[18:06:38] <Begasus> eeps![18:06:38] <DeadYak> k, never mind that idea then[18:06:42] <Begasus> hehe[18:06:43] <DeadYak> I ran into that problem too[18:06:49] <DeadYak> but with a totally different chip[18:06:50] <Begasus> classic one ;)[18:06:58] <DeadYak> at first I thought I broke something with my changed to the radeon driver[18:07:05] <DeadYak> changes*[18:07:22] <Begasus> on that note .. how's support for Radeon card these days DeadYak ?[18:07:41] <DeadYak> Begasus: hasn't changed in a while, still no support for Radeon HD[18:07:49] <DeadYak> or anything else higher than about X800 or so[18:08:15] <Begasus> thinking of switching cards (nVidia 5200 with the kids card Radeon9600) on the pc ...[18:08:22] <brobostigon> my other machine has a ati rage pro, i think, and it seems ok, just no sound,[18:08:48] *** Xenexi has quit IRC[18:08:56] <Begasus> sound is also a prob on the laptop ...[18:09:15] <Begasus> squicky sound (oss) ... --> points at mmu_man[18:09:24] <Begasus> 0_°[18:09:43] *** atomozero has quit IRC[18:09:52] <brobostigon> Begasus: when i install OSS it works for about thirty seconds, and then kills haiku entirly, sometimes it restarts fine, sometimes it kills everything entirly.[18:10:27] <Begasus> mmu_man, is the Haiku port for oss (including the addon) uptodate?[18:10:38] <Begasus> as in ... the same as yours? ;)[18:11:08] <DeadYak> Begasus: the optional package downloads from free.fr so I'd hope so[18:11:54] <Begasus> IIRC the addon mmu_man had was newer then the one in the 3de party addon ...[18:12:02] <DeadYak> oh[18:12:04] <DeadYak> that could be[18:12:18] <Begasus> only partial ..[18:12:27] <Begasus> but that could make a diff ;)[18:13:15] <Begasus> ps ... ported/compiled powermanga 0.90 earlier today DeadYak ..[18:13:27] <DeadYak> nice[18:13:46] <Begasus> nice game ... (although initial port didn't work sideways with keyboard) ;)[18:14:04] *** aldeck has joined #Haiku[18:14:16] <Begasus> sometimes one needs to hit a nice game to get ported ...[18:15:13] *** alukard has quit IRC[18:15:27] <Begasus> but this one is quit nice to play .. (need to take care not to play to much), just like 'fish fillets'[18:19:30] <brobostigon> i am looking at a new machine, saving up for it right now, what compnents should i choose to maximise my chances of running both zeta and haiku?[18:19:50] <mmu_man> Begasus no the code in svn is the latest[18:21:00] <Begasus> so no need to go outside the haiku repo mmu_man ?[18:21:31] <Begasus> P4,nvidia to cut it short brobostigon[18:21:37] <Begasus> with some realtek NIC[18:21:45] <Begasus> imho ...[18:22:27] <brobostigon> ok, thank you Begasus[18:22:40] <Begasus> that is to have a nice building enviroment ...[18:22:57] <Begasus> you can always lower your specs .. ;)[18:23:20] <Begasus> or increase ... ^^[18:23:22] <brobostigon> Begasus: i was thinking of trying an smp[18:25:25] <Begasus> that's way above me ;)[18:28:32] *** databridge has quit IRC[18:41:10] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[18:43:20] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[18:43:51] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[18:44:46] <mmu_man> Begasus for the media addon, no[18:45:32] *** eazel7 has quit IRC[18:46:09] <Begasus> k thnx mmu_man .. will build a new image next with oss included next time ;)[18:46:23] *** bSON has quit IRC[18:47:03] <Begasus> ps ... nice the fix in pe ![18:47:19] <Begasus> now you can actualy see what your are searching for ;)[18:48:37] <brobostigon> Begasus: what is pe?[18:49:03] <Begasus> ps = extended text editor ...[18:49:12] <Begasus> imo the best around for BeOS atm[18:49:24] <Begasus> and since ages ....[18:49:40] <brobostigon> ok, sorry, my memory failed for a moment[18:49:44] <Begasus> np[18:51:10] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[18:54:37] *** oco has joined #haiku[18:55:46] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[18:56:08] <brobostigon> Begasus: you mentioned earlier i think, compiling other apps with jam, when you compile an image, how would you achieve that?[19:01:14] <Begasus> I only use jam to build the haiku image[19:01:33] <Begasus> not 3d party apps (aside from the haiku included ones)[19:01:54] <brobostigon> oh, ok,[19:02:01] <mmu_man> brobostigon http://developer.berlios.de/projects/pe-editor[19:02:40] <Begasus> other apps/games are added with ...[19:02:42] <Begasus> UnzipArchiveToHaikuImage[19:02:42] <Begasus> : $(HAIKU_TOP)/../misc/Ri-li_2.0.0_ZETA.zip[19:02:42] <Begasus> ;[19:02:47] <Begasus> as example ...[19:03:03] <Begasus> (in UserBuildConfig)[19:03:20] <brobostigon> Begasus , mmu_man , thank you[19:03:24] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[19:09:43] <AlienSoldier> were is the place to get altest OSS, haikuware one say 23 jul, any newer?[19:09:50] <AlienSoldier> *latest[19:12:20] <brobostigon> AlienSoldier: thats a good question[19:12:31] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[19:15:08] <mmu_man> AlienSoldier http://revolf.free.fr/beos/oss-beos-v4.1test-bin.zip[19:16:46] <AlienSoldier> ok, seem the same one, i was expecting to find it in some support file on haiku-os.org[19:20:58] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[19:22:25] <Begasus> mmadia, ![19:22:27] <Begasus> ;)[19:22:49] <mmadia> how's it going?[19:22:55] <AlienSoldier> PCI 128 was not haiku working, so now i will try oss[19:23:39] <Begasus> errr ... mmu_man !! is the link one newer then the one in svn/linked when compiling haiku's 3d party?[19:23:52] <Begasus> fine hre thnx mmadia... how's it going there?[19:23:55] <mmu_man> it likely is[19:24:04] <Begasus> errr ... :s[19:24:21] <mmu_man> that's the drivers[19:24:43] <mmu_man> not the media node[19:24:44] <Begasus> I thought the addon in that zip was newer then the drivers?[19:24:54] <mmu_man> it's not in the zip anymore[19:24:54] <mmadia> can't complain. have you been following the /boot/common email thread, Begasus? :)[19:25:06] <mmu_man> if you need it for R5 you must compile it from svn[19:25:22] <Begasus> hmm haven't seen any mails about that mmadia ?[19:25:44] <mmadia> might have been haiku-dev[19:25:53] <DeadYak> it was[19:26:28] <Begasus> bugger .. still missing one then ..; :p[19:27:34] <AlienSoldier> i wonder what that mean, it say output 0(raw) and outpout1(out), does that mean that card have 2 different one, like a software switch?[19:27:49] <AlienSoldier> *both say (raw)[19:28:46] <AlienSoldier> the network replicant stay in the tray after reboot but not process controler[19:34:09] <AlienSoldier> crasnh (hang) retrying[19:37:21] <AlienSoldier> it hang if i choose output 1[19:38:06] <AlienSoldier> thta start to look more and more like making a game work on PC circa 1990 :P[19:38:27] <mmu_man> AlienSoldier OSS ?[19:38:45] <AlienSoldier> yes, see the card, but i can't sem to use it[19:39:09] <AlienSoldier> using the one from haikuware at the moment[19:40:03] <AlienSoldier> now i'm hang for good, time to try a cold reboot[19:40:06] * Begasus bites his lip ....[19:40:57] <DeadYak> I still don't understand why free.fr is so slow for the first 5% or so of the file[19:41:08] <DeadYak> then suddenly jumps to 150kb/s or so[19:42:59] <AlienSoldier> noticed that also[19:43:08] <mmu_man> odd[19:43:18] <mmu_man> AlienSoldier try osstest[19:43:28] <AlienSoldier> perhaps a dos attack protection[19:44:06] <AlienSoldier> mmu_man currently i can't boot, i only see the pointer and a blue screen, can't light caplock on my keyboard[19:44:42] <DeadYak> mmu_man: it's pretty consistent about it, no matter what day or time of day I try it, I'm thinking it's intentional[19:44:47] <AlienSoldier> safe mode user add-on disabled boot[19:45:00] <mmu_man> DeadYak maybe, but it's painful[19:45:10] <DeadYak> mmu_man: that it is...[19:48:54] <AlienSoldier> seem that after selectioning none in safe mode it did the try, it reboot normal now[19:51:07] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[19:51:38] <AlienSoldier> mmu_man sound test do sound, gotta go, gonna try back later[19:52:24] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[19:59:30] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[20:01:13] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[20:02:11] *** oco has quit IRC[20:04:15] *** RandomInsano has quit IRC[20:04:34] *** RandomInsano has joined #haiku[20:05:24] *** RandomInsano has quit IRC[20:07:13] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[20:14:53] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[20:17:21] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[20:26:15] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[20:36:48] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[20:36:56] <Duggan> greetings all[20:43:29] <Begasus> hi Duggan[20:45:50] <Duggan> hey Begasus[20:45:53] <Duggan> hows it going?[20:46:19] <Begasus> fine here thnx[20:46:23] <Begasus> you?[20:48:48] <Duggan> doing alright... working on homework lol[20:49:44] *** rdmr has quit IRC[20:50:19] <Duggan> Game AI projects are whooping me... you'd never think state machines could be so difficult lol[20:50:50] <Duggan> actually working on an assembly program right now[21:02:27] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[21:08:57] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[21:13:49] *** cnuke has quit IRC[21:14:20] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[21:15:38] *** cnuke has joined #haiku[21:21:20] *** Begasus is now known as Begasus_bbl[21:22:02] *** petterhj has quit IRC[21:24:04] *** mmadia is now known as mmadia_zzz[21:25:44] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[21:34:02] *** stippi has joined #haiku[21:34:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[21:34:11] <Duggan> greetings stippi[21:34:39] <stippi> hi Duggan[21:36:10] *** rdmr has quit IRC[21:37:29] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[21:38:07] <mmu_man> plop[21:38:11] <Duggan> greetings[21:39:43] <AlienSoldier> mmu_man seem i have sound now, freaking mp3 of thest i downloaded was only 1% of the supposed size, that said it's not optimal. At least i guess as i never got any sound in haiku other than with OSS[21:39:50] *** SprMa has quit IRC[21:39:52] <AlienSoldier> *test[21:40:14] <mmu_man> also beware, MediaPlayer doesn't work at allfor me... tried another one ?[21:41:19] <AlienSoldier> yes, vlc, but both work[21:41:35] <AlienSoldier> oss test report some bug, but it still work[21:42:20] <AlienSoldier> the sound stutter when i move windows (on a 600Mhz machine), it give a linus 2001 feeling[21:42:25] <AlienSoldier> *linux[21:43:50] *** stippi has quit IRC[21:43:54] <thotypous> mediaplayer works for me with oss_hdaudio in Haiku, but it pops sound sometimes[21:44:07] <thotypous> VLC outputs more stable sound[21:44:26] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[21:44:49] <AlienSoldier> does true beos sound driver close to R5 latency? in other word, how many cpu% does using oss eat?[21:45:38] <Duggan> I don't think haiku's been able to use R5 drivers for quite some time now...[21:45:50] <Duggan> oh wait, yeah some it does....[21:46:06] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[21:47:40] <AlienSoldier> i don't know what sound card work native[21:48:13] <AlienSoldier> was expecting the creative 64 and 128 to be ok, but i'm just not lucky :)[21:50:09] <AlienSoldier> i hope that driver will work for the alpha release because it's such a widespread and available card[21:50:12] *** sprma has joined #haiku[21:50:35] <AlienSoldier> and most will probably use haiku on their second grade pc[21:51:16] <Duggan> if I 1: had time and 2: could compile it, I'd be all over problems like that... but I'm too much of an imbecil to even do that lol[21:54:06] *** cherrylap has quit IRC[21:54:37] <mmu_man> there are still bugs to fix in OSS, but it's better than none :p[21:54:38] <AlienSoldier> i'm still impressed over my haiku testing owever[21:55:21] <AlienSoldier> yes, even if it feel a bit like a hi-fi PC speaker driver[21:55:44] <AlienSoldier> sound quality seem ok, it's just that it's ... stiff[21:58:04] *** brobostigon has left #haiku[22:02:40] *** stippi has joined #haiku[22:02:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[22:03:14] *** stippi has quit IRC[22:03:29] *** stippi has joined #haiku[22:03:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[22:03:54] <AlienSoldier> playing both at the same time, mediaplayer seem to take 3 time more cpu than vlc... and vlc always was a bit slower than it's win32 counterpart on that machine[22:04:20] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[22:04:35] <stippi> AlienSoldier: What codec are you testing[22:04:48] <AlienSoldier> stippi mp3 with OSS[22:05:09] <stippi> AlienSoldier: Ah, in that case, it's using different codec implementations[22:05:11] <AlienSoldier> have no sound otherwise[22:05:22] <stippi> you mean with OSS, you have sound?[22:05:30] <AlienSoldier> yes[22:05:36] <stippi> nice[22:05:48] <stippi> that was the plan. :-)[22:05:51] <AlienSoldier> but native driver would be like butter[22:05:58] <stippi> how so?[22:06:12] <AlienSoldier> butter taste good[22:06:16] <stippi> OSS is just as native.[22:06:31] <stippi> it's got a node and it fully integrated.[22:06:41] <AlienSoldier> really? because i get sound interuption when moving a window[22:06:51] <mmu_man> AlienSoldier how old is your install ?[22:07:04] <AlienSoldier> haiku is from today[22:07:08] <mmu_man> there was something that got fixed with APIC timer recently[22:07:09] <mmu_man> ah ok[22:07:19] <mmu_man> well I guess we still have work to do :p[22:08:01] <AlienSoldier> as i said, i can't compare oss and "native" as i never was able to get any of my sound card to work[22:08:11] *** stippi has quit IRC[22:08:14] <AlienSoldier> bbl[22:08:27] *** stippi has joined #haiku[22:08:27] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[22:08:59] <stippi> AlienSoldier: Did you say anything after I claimed OSS was just as native? My network seems to be flaky in Haiku.[22:10:40] <AlienSoldier> [16:08] <AlienSoldier> really? because i get sound interuption when moving a window[22:10:40] <AlienSoldier> [16:08] <mmu_man> AlienSoldier how old is your install ?[22:10:41] <AlienSoldier> [16:08] <AlienSoldier> haiku is from today[22:10:41] <AlienSoldier> [16:08] <mmu_man> there was something that got fixed with APIC timer recently[22:10:42] <AlienSoldier> [16:08] <mmu_man> ah ok[22:10:43] <AlienSoldier> [16:09] <mmu_man> well I guess we still have work to do :p[22:10:43] <AlienSoldier> [16:09] <AlienSoldier> as i said, i can't compare oss and "native" as i never was able to get any of my sound card to work[22:10:45] <AlienSoldier> [16:09] *** stippi (n=vision at e183153212 dot adsl.alicedsl.de) has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:10:47] <AlienSoldier> [16:10] <AlienSoldier> bbl[22:10:49] <AlienSoldier> [16:10] *** stippi (n=vision at e183153212 dot adsl.alicedsl.de) has joined the channel.[22:10:51] <AlienSoldier> [16:10] *** ChanServ set mode +o stippi[22:10:53] <AlienSoldier> [16:10] <stippi> AlienSoldier: Did you say anything after I claimed OSS was just as native? My network seems to be flaky in Haik[22:11:23] <Duggan> no he didn't[22:11:48] *** alukard has joined #haiku[22:12:06] <Duggan> er damn got the people asking the question mixed up lol[22:12:53] <stippi> you would get this with a native driver as well[22:13:32] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:22:23] *** adb has quit IRC[22:25:34] *** adb has joined #haiku[22:26:34] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[22:26:57] *** alukard has left #haiku[22:28:21] *** stippi has quit IRC[22:33:58] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[22:36:54] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[22:39:02] <Duggan> one project down, 5 to go...[22:40:16] *** alukard has joined #haiku[22:45:29] *** sprma has quit IRC[22:47:55] <AlienSoldier> nice to know the problem is not with OSS then, i was thinking it was having too much to do in it's aloccated iterrupt interval[22:48:07] <AlienSoldier> *interrupt[22:48:44] *** petterhj has quit IRC[22:49:28] *** Xenexi has joined #haiku[22:50:45] <mmu_man> AlienSoldier it works very well here in zeta, so I don't think it's really OSS itself[22:50:45] *** leszek has joined #haiku[22:51:38] *** alukard has left #haiku[22:52:13] <leszek> re[22:52:15] *** Xenexi has quit IRC[22:55:59] *** oco has joined #haiku[23:13:36] *** Begasus_bbl has quit IRC[23:14:14] *** Duggan has quit IRC[23:14:17] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[23:56:41] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku