October 23, 2008 
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October 23, 2008 [00:02:53] *** Duggan has quit IRC[00:06:19] *** DaaT has quit IRC[00:07:34] *** Kokito3 has quit IRC[00:10:00] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[00:11:27] *** cherrylap has quit IRC[00:17:34] *** _maniac_ has quit IRC[00:23:10] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[00:31:53] <CIA-60> korli * r28290 /haiku/trunk/headers/private/shared/usb-utils.h: helper functions to get device and vendor names from usbdevs list[00:35:36] *** wildur has quit IRC[00:36:20] *** korli has quit IRC[00:48:38] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[00:49:55] *** rdmr has left #haiku[00:50:11] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[00:53:05] *** aldeck has quit IRC[01:07:44] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[01:14:15] *** Begasus has quit IRC[01:22:52] *** Megaf is now known as MegafEee|Away[01:30:57] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[01:31:05] *** oco has quit IRC[01:41:02] *** umccullough_w has joined #haiku[01:41:42] *** DBAlex has quit IRC[01:42:19] *** Nies has quit IRC[01:50:49] *** acidx has joined #haiku[02:05:42] *** petterhj has quit IRC[02:08:30] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[02:09:07] <Duggan> greetings all[02:11:00] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[02:12:44] <Duggan> anybody know anything about why jam would crap out saying functions are implicitly defined in atomic.cpp (part of fs_shell)?[02:14:08] <umccullough_w> pastebin of the exact errors usually help[02:14:11] <Duggan> well, gcc crapping out technically[02:14:20] <umccullough_w> sounds familiar, but i believe it was already fixed[02:14:40] <Duggan> er whats the url?[02:14:46] <umccullough_w> pastebin.com?[02:14:48] <Duggan> just pastebin.com?[02:14:48] <Duggan> lol[02:14:49] <Duggan> oh ok[02:15:22] <Duggan> gonna take a sec for it to die again[02:15:40] <umccullough_w> is this a fresh svn co of the sources?[02:15:49] <umccullough_w> or, one that you've been svn up'ing for a while?[02:15:51] <Duggan> if the problem has to do with what its being built on, it would make sense...[02:16:13] <Duggan> I co'ed last night, it died so I had to fix some stuff, finished it today and did it again this afternoon[02:16:22] <umccullough_w> possibly, since fs_shell is built for the host...it relies on the host being sane[02:16:29] <Duggan> the build that I'm running in vmware however is one I just happened to have laying around, it's probably a bit old[02:16:48] <Duggan> so if that has something to do with it, then I can fix that easy enough[02:17:38] <umccullough_w> i think that particular error generally means your headers are missing something[02:18:04] <umccullough_w> so, either you're on a host that isn't currently tested/supported, or your system headers are fucked[02:18:16] <umccullough_w> i'd guess the latter[02:18:32] <umccullough_w> or a recent change caused the former :P[02:18:47] <Duggan> well, my atomic.cpp looks like http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/tools/fs_shell/atomic.cpp[02:18:53] <Duggan> and...[02:19:10] <umccullough_w> but that doesn't tell us anything we don't already know ;)[02:20:10] <Duggan> my fssh_atomic.h looks like http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/headers/private/fs_shell/fssh_atomic.h[02:20:17] <umccullough_w> again...we know this[02:20:22] <umccullough_w> actually...[02:20:24] <Duggan> lol ok well what else could it be?[02:20:40] <umccullough_w> waiting for the pastebin[02:20:46] <umccullough_w> and maybe a description of your build platform[02:22:17] <umccullough_w> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/1277[02:22:47] <Duggan> http://pastebin.com/d7b7ef3c4[02:23:28] <Duggan> build platform is haiku running in vmware[02:23:44] <umccullough_w> did you use the R5 build tools by accident?[02:24:09] <Duggan> build is 27509[02:24:19] <umccullough_w> i'm guessing you used R5 headers/build tools[02:24:30] <umccullough_w> instead of using a Development version of Haiku[02:24:34] <Duggan> I installed them but I also installed the newer gcc[02:24:42] <umccullough_w> yeah, you flubbed it[02:24:54] <Duggan> lol ok[02:25:25] <umccullough_w> you don't want *any* R5 development stuff on a Haiku build image...just not necessary, causes more problems than it solves[02:25:50] <Duggan> alright[02:26:02] <Duggan> would it be safe just to delete it all?[02:26:22] <umccullough_w> dunno, i mean usually i build my haiku images with dev tools on them initially[02:26:34] <umccullough_w> never tried cleaning one up after toasting with R5 stuff ;)[02:27:13] <umccullough_w> suggestion: http://haiku-files.org/vm/[02:27:20] <umccullough_w> get the new pre-alpha complete with dev tools[02:27:33] <umccullough_w> :D[02:28:02] <Duggan> awesome[02:28:05] <Duggan> thanx[02:28:10] <Duggan> that'll save me alot of trouble lol[02:28:17] <umccullough_w> you may not read the mailing list ;)[02:28:36] <Duggan> not recently.... I've got a backlog a couple thousand strong actually...[02:30:15] <umccullough_w> http://www.freelists.org/archives/haiku-development/10-2008/msg00280.html[02:30:16] <Duggan> got to the point I couldn't keep up with them so I just fell out of reading them completely[02:30:59] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[02:30:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[02:31:15] <umccullough_w> hi Sikosis[02:31:30] <Sikosis> hey umccullough_w[02:31:36] <Duggan> greetings[02:31:41] <Sikosis> hey[02:32:07] <umccullough_w> .t EAST[02:32:10] <BuildFactory> Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:33:23 EAST[02:32:15] <umccullough_w> just get to work?[02:32:25] <Sikosis> well back from coffee break ;)[02:32:37] <Sikosis> had to reboot a bunch of servers this morning[02:32:44] <Duggan> can you overwrite the OS while its running? lol[02:33:01] <Sikosis> also been testing out windows 7 beta ... its vista with UI changes ;)[02:33:32] <Sikosis> umccullough_w you saw the posting on haiku-development ? re: pre alpha[02:33:43] <umccullough_w> Duggan, not last i heard[02:35:32] <Duggan> I know its a stupid question, but it was wishful thinking considering the hoops I have to jump through to put haiku on a larger vmware image[02:37:18] <umccullough_w> Duggan, i think that new image is 2gb[02:37:24] <umccullough_w> Sikosis, yeah, we were just talking about it[02:37:28] *** ari2-free has joined #haiku[02:37:29] <Duggan> that would be awesome too lol[02:37:36] <ari2-free> hi[02:41:42] <Duggan> hi[02:42:38] *** Matias has joined #haiku[02:49:29] <umccullough_w> Duggan, my bad, seems the images are currently only 400mb, unless axel fixed that already[02:49:41] <umccullough_w> you can always mount a second image to get the sources and build haiku though[02:49:53] <umccullough_w> as a second disk that is[02:57:21] *** thotypous has quit IRC[02:57:25] *** Matias is now known as thotypous[02:57:57] *** boh666 has quit IRC[03:00:59] <Duggan> umccullough usually what I do is create a 2nd image, initialize it, run makebootable, copy the files over, run makebootable again (because I never remember that it doesn't work before you copy the files) then just ax the old image[03:01:48] <Duggan> I'll probably end up setting it up like I always have on partitions... make two images and dual boot[03:01:49] <umccullough_w> but see...that makes it hard to update to a new image ;)[03:01:51] <Duggan> if you can do t hat in vmware[03:02:04] <umccullough_w> might as well just keep two images, one with the base OS, one with your custom stuff[03:02:37] <umccullough_w> image1 = haiku, image2 = large BFS disk with sources, apps, games, media files, etc. on it[03:02:47] <umccullough_w> then you just swap image1 to update to a newer rev of haiku[03:02:57] <umccullough_w> simple :)[03:03:04] <Duggan> true that I suppose[03:03:16] <Duggan> just not sure how to do the whole mount as /boot/home thing[03:03:17] <Duggan> lol[03:03:20] <umccullough_w> when i build haiku onto a partition, i keep another BFS partition spare for stuff i don't want to copy to the partition every time[03:03:31] <umccullough_w> why does it have to be /boot/home?[03:03:38] <Duggan> doesnt lol[03:03:40] <Duggan> just saying[03:03:46] <umccullough_w> i mean, you'll lose your settings, but big deal[03:04:05] <umccullough_w> just back them up onto the other disk before you swap, then copy them back[03:04:18] <umccullough_w> anyhow, i gotta jet, ttyl[03:04:19] <Duggan> I mean I can build the src on my main partition, then copy over to test on the other, then if its good while I'm testing I can copy over to the primary partition[03:04:25] <Duggan> l8r[03:04:28] <Duggan> thanks for your help[03:04:31] <umccullough_w> they're not partitions, they're disk[03:04:32] <umccullough_w> s[03:04:35] <umccullough_w> have 3 or 4 if you want :)[03:04:38] <umccullough_w> bye[03:04:44] <Duggan> you said partition, I was going to correct myself lol[03:04:44] <Duggan> l8r[03:04:55] *** umccullough_w has quit IRC[03:10:12] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[03:10:39] *** TheNerd has joined #haiku[03:14:39] *** xcasex has quit IRC[03:21:42] *** acidx has quit IRC[03:23:53] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[03:24:11] *** xcasex has joined #haiku[03:28:44] *** Kokito has quit IRC[03:29:36] *** senry-user has quit IRC[03:47:16] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[03:55:21] *** thotypous has quit IRC[04:05:28] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[04:07:00] *** thotypous has quit IRC[04:09:31] <miqlas> Is somebody know an good alarm clock for BeOS/Haiku?[04:13:16] <umccullough> AWESOME[04:13:32] <umccullough> as much as i hate to post /. links: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/10/22/2230223[04:14:17] <umccullough> perhaps friendlier link: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9117656[04:14:42] <miqlas> Here is 4:15 AM, how can i wake up at mornin' without an good alarm clock for Haiku?[04:14:58] <miqlas> Help to me, umccullough, pleas.[04:15:01] <umccullough> lol[04:15:05] <umccullough> write one![04:15:45] <umccullough> is there a shell command to sleep for one minute?[04:16:52] <miqlas> i don't know. i have only shutdown program for beos/haiku.[04:17:39] <umccullough> http://onlineclock.net/[04:20:44] <miqlas> umccullough....hmmm....sorry, but i don't want install closed source Flashplayer to my Haiku.[04:20:57] <umccullough> oh, does that use flash?[04:21:01] <umccullough> i didn't notice ;)[04:21:38] <umccullough> doesn't appear to use flash here[04:22:26] <miqlas> only if it alarm.[04:22:39] <miqlas> The counter is not flash.[04:22:46] *** [JT] has quit IRC[04:22:46] *** Malmis has quit IRC[04:22:46] *** Styrbjorn has quit IRC[04:22:46] *** Mazon has quit IRC[04:22:49] *** stef has quit IRC[04:22:49] *** giszo has quit IRC[04:22:57] <miqlas> Another clock?[04:23:32] <umccullough> heh, too bad, they could have taken it to a page with a sound instead of using flash[04:23:35] *** [JT] has joined #haiku[04:23:35] *** stef has joined #haiku[04:23:35] *** Styrbjorn has joined #haiku[04:23:35] *** Mazon has joined #haiku[04:23:35] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[04:23:35] *** giszo has joined #haiku[04:24:39] *** _Mazon has joined #haiku[04:25:04] *** fanskap has joined #haiku[04:25:33] *** giszo_ has joined #haiku[04:25:35] *** stef_ has joined #haiku[04:27:35] *** giszo has quit IRC[04:27:35] *** Malmis has quit IRC[04:27:35] *** stef has quit IRC[04:27:35] *** Mazon has quit IRC[04:27:35] *** Styrbjorn has quit IRC[04:27:36] *** [JT] has quit IRC[04:27:36] *** _Mazon is now known as Mazon[04:28:40] *** [JT] has joined #haiku[04:28:40] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[04:41:45] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[04:54:08] *** miqlas has quit IRC[04:59:41] <Duggan> anybody else happen to be having any problems with the new vmdk?[05:06:10] <umccullough> there might have been some stuff mentioned on the mailing list[05:17:41] <Duggan> I don't see any mention of any problems.... just giddy children in a candy store[05:18:08] <Duggan> bickering over what flavour of jawbreakers to buy with their $20 allowance...[05:18:57] *** cryptic has joined #haiku[05:18:58] *** aphedox has quit IRC[05:19:02] *** cryptic is now known as aphedox[05:21:43] *** SunWuKung|away has joined #haiku[05:26:16] *** [mark] has joined #haiku[05:29:52] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[05:29:58] *** senry-user has quit IRC[05:53:13] *** Duggan has quit IRC[05:53:32] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[05:57:31] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[06:23:41] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[06:25:39] *** SunWuKung|away has quit IRC[06:35:04] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[06:41:02] *** Kokito has quit IRC[06:41:19] *** Euver has joined #haiku[06:50:02] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[06:58:52] *** numbah has quit IRC[06:58:53] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[07:02:11] *** SunWuKung|away has joined #haiku[07:08:18] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[07:30:51] *** aphedox has quit IRC[07:30:53] *** aphedox has joined #haiku[07:34:50] <umccullough> anyone here familiar with proper addresses in China?[07:35:34] <umccullough> as in, how to address something going to china from the US[07:36:54] *** [Katisu]_laptop has joined #haiku[07:37:24] *** M199 has joined #haiku[07:40:40] *** adb has quit IRC[07:42:42] *** SunWuKung|away is now known as SunWuKung|away|a[07:42:51] *** Master199 has quit IRC[07:42:51] *** M199 is now known as Master199[07:43:47] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[07:44:06] <Begasus> moin[07:52:10] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[07:53:52] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[07:53:52] *** [Katisu]_laptop is now known as [Katisu][07:57:22] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[08:05:16] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[08:14:29] *** sprma has joined #haiku[08:22:34] <Monni> klus[08:32:26] *** Euver has quit IRC[08:32:39] *** ari2-free has quit IRC[08:33:30] *** ari2-free has joined #haiku[08:38:22] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[08:41:21] *** Styrbjorn has joined #haiku[08:44:51] *** fanskap has quit IRC[08:49:34] *** pyCube has quit IRC[08:58:50] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[09:00:12] *** Duggan has quit IRC[09:27:29] *** AndrevS has quit IRC[09:39:05] *** stef_ is now known as stef[09:59:37] *** daste has quit IRC[10:01:41] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[10:05:20] *** Xenexi has joined #haiku[10:11:01] *** hdanak has quit IRC[10:17:48] <CIA-60> jackburton * r28291 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs):[10:17:48] <CIA-60> Moved _joystick_info definition to JoystickTweaker.h, since there is no point to[10:17:48] <CIA-60> keep it public. Removed default parameter in the second version of Open(),[10:17:48] <CIA-60> otherwise the two functions can't be used unambiguously. Should fix bug #2904[10:21:41] *** sprma has quit IRC[10:22:23] *** sprma has joined #haiku[10:22:49] *** sprma has quit IRC[10:24:46] *** sprma has joined #haiku[10:26:08] *** sprma has quit IRC[10:42:31] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[10:45:59] <MegafEee|Away> good morning[10:46:14] <licksjp> hello[10:46:17] *** MegafEee|Away is now known as MegafEee[10:47:43] <MegafEee> today is a warm day, 13 C[10:47:46] *** aldeck has joined #Haiku[10:48:23] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28292 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/sem.cpp: 0 is a valid semaphore ID.[10:48:43] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[10:50:56] *** Begasus has quit IRC[10:51:11] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[10:58:20] <Monni> kangaroo ;)[10:59:09] <Begasus> bugger ... still no network in Haiku on the laptop ... :/[10:59:11] <Begasus> :P[10:59:18] *** Begasus has quit IRC[10:59:42] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[11:00:48] <Begasus> wrong combo :P[11:05:04] <Monni> lol[11:12:19] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[11:12:36] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[11:17:05] <CIA-60> stippi * r28293 /haiku/trunk/build/config_headers/ReadMe: Added a small ReadMe about custom build headers.[11:23:02] *** slaad has joined #haiku[11:29:21] *** aldeck has quit IRC[11:42:04] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[12:08:59] *** Megaf has joined #Haiku[12:12:26] *** Megaf has quit IRC[12:19:20] <Begasus> can someone reach dev.osdrawer.net?[12:19:36] <slaad> I think it's b0rked again.[12:19:43] <Begasus> :s[12:22:16] <Begasus> cya peeps[12:22:28] *** Begasus has quit IRC[12:26:52] *** BGA has joined #haiku[12:26:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[12:48:30] *** slaad has quit IRC[12:51:25] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[13:11:53] *** stippi has joined #haiku[13:11:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[13:17:32] *** Xenexi has quit IRC[13:23:47] *** leszek has joined #haiku[13:24:07] <leszek> hi[13:27:15] *** quinq has quit IRC[13:29:18] *** quinq has joined #haiku[13:33:07] *** stippi has quit IRC[13:33:07] *** mats has quit IRC[13:41:12] *** stippi has joined #haiku[13:41:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[13:45:42] *** cherrylap has joined #haiku[13:46:09] *** cherrylap has joined #haiku[13:56:12] *** stippi has quit IRC[14:03:32] *** leszek has quit IRC[14:10:22] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28294 /haiku/trunk/src/system/runtime_loader/elf.cpp:[14:10:22] <CIA-60> When going to load a library also check whether the last path component[14:10:22] <CIA-60> matches the program's image name. This is a special case for add-ons[14:10:22] <CIA-60> that link against the application, with the application not having a[14:10:22] <CIA-60> soname set. 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This correctly[15:58:07] <CIA-60> initializes the engine lock and a few other things, fixing the deadlock in[15:58:07] <CIA-60> ticket #2893. This also seems to result in somewhat improved graphics[15:58:10] <CIA-60> performance, at least on my X800.[16:04:08] *** boh666 has joined #haiku[16:04:20] *** stippi has quit IRC[16:05:19] *** MindChild has quit IRC[16:06:21] *** numbah has joined #haiku[16:12:24] *** stippi has joined #haiku[16:12:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[16:18:09] *** MindChild has joined #haiku[16:31:15] *** adb has joined #haiku[16:35:53] <miqlas> http://pic.mellbimbo.hu/files/iBExgbn3c0ut06Ow.jpg[16:36:01] <miqlas> blah[16:41:19] *** hdanak has quit IRC[16:41:36] <Monni> ewww[16:41:52] *** _maniac_ has joined #haiku[16:44:42] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[16:44:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[16:45:48] *** boh666 has quit IRC[16:57:39] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[17:03:10] *** KariLap has joined #haiku[17:04:32] *** KariLap has quit IRC[17:08:04] *** helf has joined #haiku[17:08:35] <helf> hi[17:09:31] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[17:10:07] *** warpdesign has joined #haiku[17:11:49] <MindChild> hola[17:12:01] <helf> got your paypal[17:12:06] <MindChild> good[17:12:50] <MindChild> I was looking for a motherboard for a new development system yesterday. Was thinking an AMD Phenom 4 core... but there is like ONE in the whole world with a PCI-X slot[17:12:56] <MindChild> doubleyouteeeff[17:13:12] *** mmu_man is now known as mmu_laptop[17:13:20] <helf> wtf?[17:13:29] <helf> just 1?[17:13:31] <DeadYak> people use PCI-X?[17:13:33] <MindChild> just one[17:13:37] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[17:13:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[17:13:43] <helf> DeadYak: its mindchild[17:13:51] <MindChild> DeadYak: What else are you going to stick a U320 RAID controller in[17:13:56] <helf> thats like saying "people still use 15 year old computers?" when im talking[17:13:57] <helf> :P[17:14:00] <MindChild> PCI? Pffffffft[17:14:04] <DeadYak> MindChild: PCIE x8?[17:14:04] <mmu_laptop> http://osnews.com/story/20425/ARM_To_Enter_Netbook_Market[17:14:04] <helf> pci-e[17:14:06] <mmu_laptop> ...[17:14:18] <helf> mmu_laptop: read my comment[17:14:25] <helf> "netbooks" hav ebeen around for ever.[17:14:29] <helf> stupid new marketting spin :P[17:14:33] <helf> and people are falling for it[17:14:33] <MindChild> maybe there is a PCI-E to PCI-X riser of some sort[17:14:41] <mmu_man> thx mmu_laptop[17:14:43] * mmu_man pets network clipboards[17:14:46] <helf> they arent compatible, are they?[17:14:49] <mmu_laptop> helf "netbook" is (was) a trademark from PSION[17:14:50] <warpdesign> mmu_man, with what operating system ? :p symbian ? :)[17:14:59] <helf> mmu_laptop: I owned one :)[17:15:02] <helf> I LOVED my netbook[17:15:04] <helf> I miss it dearly[17:15:08] <mmu_laptop> way before that stupid buzz[17:15:17] <helf> I had one with the 64mb upgrade[17:15:19] <helf> i was pimpin[17:15:24] <mmu_laptop> I myself made lots of comments to fix that but ppl are just clueless[17:15:27] <helf> with my wifi card and huge (2gb) cf card[17:15:42] <helf> psion32r5 rocks :)[17:15:43] <helf> er[17:15:45] <helf> epoc32r5[17:15:49] <mmu_laptop> besides, there were better ones way before[17:15:50] <mmu_laptop> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_Portfolio[17:15:52] <helf> I accidently shorted it out :/[17:15:55] <mmu_laptop> and that was a *real PC*[17:15:59] <helf> heh[17:16:00] *** warpdesign has quit IRC[17:16:01] <mmu_laptop> (ie. 8086)[17:16:23] <helf> netbooks? oh, you mean overglorified PDAs that have been aruond since the early 90s? gotcha[17:16:25] <DeadYak> 80C88 @ 4.9152MHz? ouch :)[17:16:36] <mmu_laptop> actually Atari also designed (one of?) the first tabletPC^WtabletST[17:16:48] <mmu_laptop> http://www.atarimuseum.com/computers/16bits/stpad.html[17:16:48] <helf> or do you mean mini laptops that have been around forever, too?[17:16:51] <helf> :P[17:17:25] <helf> its like the crap with "cross overs"[17:17:30] <helf> oh, you mean squished station wagons?[17:18:06] *** stippi has quit IRC[17:18:14] <helf> this is the second time I've used this XP code and it won't activate.. *sigh*[17:18:29] <mmu_laptop> google for another one ? :)[17:18:50] <helf> psh[17:19:00] <mmu_man> it's funny how Nicholas Blachford hinted us about ARM at last BG ;)[17:19:07] <helf> just call MS, go "i reinstalled windows because my hdd crashed and now it wont take my key!!" and they will give me a new one[17:19:07] <Monni> I just copy the whole activation code from registry on another XP box ;)[17:19:08] <MindChild> http://www.pricewatch.com/controller_cards/ultra320.htm[17:19:13] <MindChild> every single one is PCI-X[17:19:19] <MindChild> every single one[17:19:44] *** mmu_laptop has quit IRC[17:20:11] *** cherrylap has quit IRC[17:20:11] *** warpdesign has joined #haiku[17:20:12] <helf> MindChild: http://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=6704519&oext=1038A&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=6704519[17:20:24] <MindChild> DeadYak: I think that was the specs of my Data General One, Model 2[17:21:31] <MindChild> helf: look at the connector. Google the part number. That is PCI-X too[17:21:38] <MindChild> they listed it wrong[17:22:20] <DeadYak> yeah they did[17:22:29] <DeadYak> that's totally not a -E connector[17:25:16] <helf> oh, you are right[17:25:21] <helf> i didnt look at the pic[17:25:31] <helf> DeadYak: $2.39 for 87 here :)[17:25:46] <DeadYak> nice[17:25:54] <helf> I wonder if it'll dip below $2 again[17:25:57] <DeadYak> that's *almost* back to the prices when I first moved here[17:26:03] <helf> :)[17:26:15] <helf> at 2.39, my fillups are down to $65 :D hurray[17:26:33] *** thotypous has quit IRC[17:30:16] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:39:22] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[17:51:31] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[17:52:53] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[17:53:30] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[17:56:17] *** miqlas has quit IRC[17:56:18] *** Mazon has quit IRC[17:56:18] *** umccullough has quit IRC[17:56:18] *** Monni has quit IRC[17:56:19] *** HeTo has quit IRC[17:58:13] *** petterhj has quit IRC[17:59:39] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[17:59:39] *** Mazon has joined #haiku[17:59:39] *** umccullough has joined #haiku[17:59:39] *** Monni has joined #haiku[17:59:39] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[18:00:06] *** stippi has joined #haiku[18:00:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[18:02:35] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[18:06:30] *** helf has quit IRC[18:14:08] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28296 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[18:14:08] <CIA-60> * Added kernel tracing for page faults.[18:14:08] <CIA-60> * vm_clone_area() does now set the B_SHARED_AREA flag on both the source[18:14:08] <CIA-60> and the cloned area. This is necessary, since it would no longer be[18:14:08] <CIA-60> guaranteed that areas are backed by leaf caches only (after[18:14:11] <CIA-60> fork()ing), which doesn't work with our cache merging strategy.[18:14:12] <CIA-60> Fixes #2605.[18:14:27] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[18:14:41] <tqh> oh stippi online.[18:15:02] * tqh wants firefox rdef[18:15:45] <DeadYak> tqh: I think he's afk right now[18:16:12] <tqh> Hopefully he'll notice this later on.[18:18:51] *** warpdesign has quit IRC[18:20:13] *** AndrevS has joined #haiku[18:22:14] *** stippi has quit IRC[18:27:53] *** idefix_xifedi has quit IRC[18:28:53] *** tqh has quit IRC[18:30:12] *** stippi has joined #haiku[18:30:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[18:32:54] *** helf has joined #haiku[18:32:55] <helf> hi[18:33:10] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:33:42] <DeadYak> wb stippi[18:34:04] <stippi> going to reboot anyways though... :-) See ya later[18:34:06] <tqh> I think someone has broken window handling, always on top seems to not work correctly[18:34:18] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[18:34:23] <stippi> tqh[18:34:25] <tqh> the customize window in firefox disappear when focus changes.[18:34:47] <tqh> stippi, I want that rdef of firefox.[18:35:42] <nielx> hi tqh, do you have a good idea on how to proceed with getting a release of FF into alpha 1?[18:35:47] *** petterhj has quit IRC[18:35:51] <DeadYak> hey nielx :)[18:36:31] <stippi> tqh: can you send private messages?[18:36:34] <stippi> I am not seeing any[18:36:44] <tqh> at least to deadyak[18:36:50] <nielx> hi DeadYak ;-)[18:37:01] *** SiCuTDeUx_ has joined #haiku[18:37:41] <tqh> nielx, I have a quite special mozilla tree with lots of haiku fixes and optimizations. Currently only gcc4 but maybe gcc4-libs will be in alpha?[18:37:52] <tqh> still more to fix though.[18:38:38] <nielx> the gcc 4 libs will be in the alpha (this was voted in)[18:38:41] <plfiorini> hi[18:38:42] <tqh> stippi hmm weird.[18:39:08] <tqh> nielx, then if it works ok maybe only provide a gcc4 built firefox.[18:39:37] <tqh> stippi, hmm, seems I can't talk to you :)[18:39:44] *** stippi has quit IRC[18:39:50] <DeadYak> tqh: I gave him your gmail addr[18:40:16] <tqh> DeadYak, good[18:40:51] <tqh> nielx, I'm planning on setting up a linux32 gcc2 haiku as well, so should be doable.[18:41:48] <nielx> I think it is pretty safe to go for GCC 4[18:42:34] <tqh> what needs to be done is mostly the clicking on url's for the alpha.[18:42:36] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[18:43:23] <tqh> much better nspr, faster widget code is done though.[18:44:05] <nielx> the only reason to go for gcc 2 is when you want to release a BeOS R5 one[18:44:52] <nielx> tqh, if you need any way to host your changes, for example, a cvs, subversion or mercurial repository (or even git), let me know, I think we are more than willing to lend you some of our resources[18:45:58] <tqh> currently I have space for one build at the time, and I use that for test-builds, so I will need that for the optional package later on.[18:46:22] <tqh> btw, I'm quite easy to reach on this channel :)[18:47:51] <nielx> that's good :-)[18:48:08] <nielx> is tigerdog still doing builds?[18:49:57] <tqh> yes[18:50:47] <tqh> and mmadia is doing some testbuilds with several mozilla products.[18:51:06] <nielx> how are you sharing your patches?[18:51:55] <CIA-60> stippi * r28297 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/servers/app/bitmap_bounds/main.cpp: Simplification.[18:52:43] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[18:52:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[18:52:54] <tqh> nielx, some by mail some thru mozilla bugs :)[18:53:01] <DeadYak> wb mmu_man[18:53:39] <tqh> biggest problem I have is getting configure changes confirmed working on BeOS netserver/Bone and Zeta. I get mixed reports[18:53:42] <nielx> do you think you will be able to get all the changes into the firefox 2 tree or do you have different plans?[18:53:46] <mmu_man> DeadYak seems to work fine[18:53:48] <mmu_man> anything to test specifically ?[18:53:52] <mmu_man> tried to change rez, seemed to work[18:53:54] <DeadYak> mmu_man: just that it works :)[18:54:00] <mmu_man> btw, we still have the "current workspace" grayed out in Screen prefs[18:54:09] <mmu_man> well it does[18:54:12] <mmu_man> unlike network[18:54:20] <DeadYak> mmu_man: cool[18:54:21] <CIA-60> stippi * r28298 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/servers/app/Jamfile:[18:54:21] <CIA-60> Fixes to make the app_server test env compile, but I have various other[18:54:21] <CIA-60> fixes in my tree to make it compile on R5 still. I don't really want to[18:54:21] <CIA-60> check this in, I'd rather adopt the buildsystem to make it run on Haiku[18:54:21] <CIA-60> itself...[18:54:22] <mmu_man> but I think we don't have a driver for that tulip chip[18:54:27] <tqh> nielx, not before alpha, and firefox2 support is going away, so that is a big question.[18:54:32] <mmu_man> I recall needing the beos bin[18:54:34] <DeadYak> mmu_man: wonder why Thomas had that function only called with dma acc enabled then...[18:54:44] <mmu_man> dunno[18:54:51] <DeadYak> mmu_man: probably a mistake[18:55:03] <DeadYak> mmu_man: oddly enough on my box graphics performance seems better after that change[18:55:21] <CIA-60> stippi * r28299 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/servers/app/bitmap_drawing/run: Fixed locations of binaries and some output.[18:55:27] <mmu_man> hmm and my audio card doesn't make any noise either :-([18:55:45] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[18:55:52] <mmu_man> finds it, media player & SP sends data but nothing (and it's not with OSS)[18:56:20] <DeadYak> what chip?[18:56:38] <DeadYak> mmu_man: thanks for checking the radeon driver in any case, felt kind of nervous making that change without more than one chipset to test :)[18:56:50] <mmu_man> auvia[18:56:57] <DeadYak> ah[18:59:03] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[18:59:18] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[19:01:46] <CIA-60> stippi * r28300 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/drawing/DrawingEngine.cpp:[19:01:46] <CIA-60> * DrawingEngine::CopyBits() was invalidating the wrong region (without offset)[19:01:46] <CIA-60> when the HWInterface was using acceleration and at the same time double[19:01:46] <CIA-60> buffering.[19:01:46] <CIA-60> * _CopyToFront() should always be used, since it calls a protected virtual that[19:01:46] <CIA-60> derived classes of HWInterface depend on. This fixes some graphics glitches[19:01:50] <CIA-60> in certain situations.[19:03:00] <senry-user> Greetings! I'm an anxious and excited potential user (LOVED BeOS), and would like to report a potential bug. I tried to report on the bug forum, but am having trouble with the system -- it won't let me in (have tried for over a half hour).[19:04:00] <senry-user> wget no longer works correctly -- it did with 27896, but hasn't since. I've tried several of the daily haiku vm releases since and they all fail.[19:04:07] <senry-user> can't get firefox[19:04:19] <mmu_man> sure the network is up ?[19:04:27] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[19:04:29] <senry-user> i've gone back and tried on 27896 and it still works fine there, so I think it's something with the releases[19:04:32] <senry-user> yes[19:04:38] <senry-user> can ping[19:04:57] <DeadYak> is this on VMWare?[19:04:59] <senry-user> i've tried 3 releases since 27896 and it never works[19:04:59] <senry-user> yes[19:05:08] <DeadYak> what does your network configuration look like?[19:05:14] <DeadYak> should be e1000 and NAT[19:05:32] <mmu_man> I updated wget btu that was like last month[19:05:36] <DeadYak> on the vmware side that is[19:05:52] <senry-user> oh goodness, i think i just figured it out myself by chatting with you -- hold on a second and let me check something. Possible user error...[19:05:58] <Teknomancer> same problem with vbox as well.; wget just keeps getting slower and slower[19:06:11] <Teknomancer> was some time ago[19:06:21] <Teknomancer> must try a recent haiku image[19:06:29] *** A-v-S has joined #haiku[19:07:41] <nielx> tqh is there any need for another way to share the patches or does the current system suffice~?[19:10:19] <tqh> nielx, it works I think, I've been thinking about git, but havn't had the time to think of a good way to do it yet[19:12:44] <nielx> I'd suggest trying mercurial (since at some point the whole development needs to switch over to mercurial anyway with FF3)[19:13:03] <mmu_man> hg works not too bad in zeta[19:13:17] <nielx> also, I would offer hosting within the Haiku domain[19:14:51] <CIA-60> stippi * r28301 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/drawing/ (9 files): (log message trimmed)[19:14:51] <CIA-60> * Rewrote the UpdateQueue class. It actually works now and would perform screen[19:14:51] <CIA-60> updates during the vertical refresh, but it causes flickering again since[19:14:51] <CIA-60> there is no guarantee that screen regions will stay clean from the time that[19:14:54] <CIA-60> they were scheduled with the UpdateQueue until the UpdateQueue thread[19:14:56] <CIA-60> transfers them. Therefor it is still disabled.[19:14:58] <CIA-60> * Refactored a bit the distinction between Invalidate() and CopyToFront().[19:15:29] *** leszek has joined #haiku[19:15:48] <leszek> re[19:17:46] <DeadYak> wow, nice commit[19:18:17] *** senry-user has quit IRC[19:19:54] <tqh> nielx, cool[19:20:51] *** SunWuKung|away has joined #haiku[19:22:44] *** AndrevS has quit IRC[19:25:32] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[19:26:46] <senry-user> Okay -- it was indeed my error. My apologies for the interruption. You guys are doing some truly amazing work! I can't wait to setup my home music machine (Thinkpad 240, circa 1998) with Haiku rather than XP! It's going to be awesome![19:27:08] <DeadYak> cool, have fun :)[19:27:44] <senry-user> One quick question, Firefox on Senryu vmware is much slower starting up than on haiku-os vmware. Is this expected for some reason?[19:28:06] <mmu_man> old build ?[19:28:12] <leszek> perhaps senry-user uses an older build[19:28:24] <leszek> xD[19:28:43] <DeadYak> 28222?[19:29:02] <senry-user> yes, 28222[19:29:09] <Teknomancer> does SoundPlay work on Haiku ?[19:29:12] <senry-user> downloaded just a couple hour ago[19:29:29] <leszek> Teknomancer, yep it works[19:29:31] <mmu_man> Teknomancer yes, except the latest version[19:29:45] <mmu_man> we fixed a deadlock recently[19:29:49] <Teknomancer> good, can't wait to put SoundPlay in a VBox VM and stream music :)[19:29:54] <mmu_man> but latest version still uses a private call[19:30:01] <Teknomancer> i see,[19:30:08] <Teknomancer> which symbol would that be ?[19:30:17] <mmu_man> I shall try to dig that one maybe[19:30:20] <mmu_man> don't remember[19:30:23] <Teknomancer> is it planned to fix it in Haiku?[19:30:27] <mmu_man> something about enumerating addons[19:30:32] <Teknomancer> oh[19:30:32] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[19:30:36] <mmu_man> it's SP that should be fixed[19:30:43] <mmu_man> it's using a private call it shouldn't[19:30:50] <Teknomancer> ok is Marco still available to fix it ?[19:30:59] <mmu_man> and it did that as workaround to avoid using ffdecoder[19:31:19] <DeadYak> did it? I didn't know that part[19:31:38] <mmu_man> well he complained about it but never send any real bug report, so...[19:31:59] <miqlas> Teknomancer, You can use VLC for stream audio[19:32:10] <mmu_man> or ffmpeg[19:32:14] <mmu_man> but ffserver is buggy[19:32:25] <miqlas> I always use it with shoutcast[19:33:10] <miqlas> I tested wget today on real iron, and it works.[19:33:23] <Teknomancer> miqlas: I want to use SP for it's "IIR" EQ.[19:33:33] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[19:33:34] <Teknomancer> VLC I use only for videos[19:34:00] * tqh should buy a SP license[19:34:03] <miqlas> Teknomancer, sorry, but i dont understand this:"IIR" EQ[19:34:13] <mmu_man> .. and "djjiiiuuuu Register Meee djuuuiiiIII"[19:34:15] * Teknomancer should buy SP as well[19:34:25] <Teknomancer> i used SpicyKeys to avoid Register Me :P[19:34:29] <miqlas> I'm sure it use windows: http://88.151.103.8/aoi/images/Z62oaI4ffDUqLHqQ.jpg[19:34:32] <AlienSoldier> is page is still up, maybe you could contact him http://www.xs4all.nl/~marcone/soundplay.html[19:34:36] <Teknomancer> well not avoid, just stops and restarts it[19:34:52] <mmu_man> I think he said he might make an Haiku version when it's ready[19:35:04] <Teknomancer> miqlas: SP -> Settings->EQ and its an infinite response EQ (IIR) IIRC[19:35:17] <Teknomancer> IIR mix or whatever it was called, the one with "100 Hz"[19:35:25] <Teknomancer> mmu_man: great[19:35:51] <miqlas> RoGer, the developer of Zenebona told me he want make an gift for Haiku users, an free Zenebona version for Haiku.[19:36:09] <Teknomancer> whats Zenebona? some music player right ?[19:36:15] <Teknomancer> SP is da best :P[19:36:34] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[19:36:44] <AlienSoldier> mmu_man (cue billy joel "pressure") finish that 68K port because it's comming :) http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,1000000091,39527261,00.htm?r=1[19:36:47] <Teknomancer> SP + spicykeys is not just the best for Haiku but for any OS :)[19:37:26] <mmu_man> AlienSoldier yes I know[19:37:38] <mmu_man> Nicolas Blachford warned us at BeGeistert :)[19:38:13] <mmu_man> though I'd rather get a 68080 PDA :D[19:38:14] *** BGA has quit IRC[19:38:37] *** bryguy[lap] has joined #haiku[19:38:51] <AlienSoldier> what is that? a motorola/intel 90's hybrid? :P[19:39:09] <mmu_man> lol[19:39:15] *** bwilliams__ has quit IRC[19:39:33] <AlienSoldier> or a dual mmu chip[19:40:18] <AlienSoldier> never saw him, is it the man? http://technorati.com/people/technorati/marconielsen[19:40:28] <DeadYak> wrong name[19:40:34] <DeadYak> his is marco nelissen[19:41:01] <DeadYak> iirc[19:41:17] <AlienSoldier> ha[19:41:21] <Teknomancer> yep marcone[19:41:25] <Teknomancer> so "Ne"[19:41:33] <mmu_man> yes, but everyone had his name spelt wrong[19:41:38] <Teknomancer> :)[19:41:50] <AlienSoldier> dams google fuzzy mane retrival[19:41:56] <AlienSoldier> *damn[19:42:05] <Teknomancer> *name ?[19:42:08] <tqh> fuzzy mane?[19:42:32] <tqh> sounds like a nice nic[19:42:58] *** tqh is now known as FuzzyMane[19:43:00] <AlienSoldier> i new real super hero don't give their identity that easily[19:43:04] <AlienSoldier> *knew[19:43:05] * DeadYak watches google send some lions after AlienSoldier[19:43:20] *** FuzzyMane is now known as tqh[19:44:39] <AlienSoldier> they would have better chance with snow leopard with me today[19:45:51] <AlienSoldier> seem pineapple can survive just fine 3 day in the snow[19:46:09] <tqh> I wonder if Dr Phibes rises again movie is as good as the misfits song.[19:49:51] *** BGA has joined #haiku[19:49:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[19:56:01] <senry-user> clear[19:56:14] <senry-user> CLEAR[19:56:21] <Stefan100> /clear ?[19:56:43] <senry-user> ah, thanks[19:56:49] <senry-user> been years since i've been in irc[19:56:50] <mmu_man> you mean /quit :)[19:56:53] <senry-user> sorry, folks[19:57:05] <senry-user> ah, i can take a hint[19:57:06] <senry-user> ![19:57:23] <mmu_man> :p[19:57:38] <tqh> commands start with / you have /leave and /join #haiku as well as others.[19:58:11] <mmu_man> and /help[19:58:24] <tqh> and /nick FuzzyMane[19:58:38] *** senry-user is now known as bch[19:59:01] *** bch is now known as bch11[20:00:35] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[20:02:37] *** SiCuTDeUx_ has quit IRC[20:05:22] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[20:05:49] <tqh> if I want to setup gcc2 build on linux x64 I just do setarch (linux32) right?[20:06:53] <Duggan> greetings all[20:06:55] * tqh goes experimenting.[20:10:52] <Teknomancer> oh damn, ran out of food, need to go to the supermarket. pfffffft.[20:10:54] <Teknomancer> cu[20:10:55] *** Teknomancer has left #haiku[20:14:06] *** korli has joined #haiku[20:14:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[20:16:28] <helf> blah[20:16:30] <helf> blah blah blah[20:16:46] <geist> awoooga[20:17:23] <tqh> helf fascinating[20:18:00] <tqh> movie time![20:18:47] *** wildur has quit IRC[20:19:13] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[20:20:03] *** leszek has quit IRC[20:36:22] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[20:36:51] <helf> lol[20:37:18] <helf> the stupid windows activation computer suddenly stopped listening to me and kept going "i didnt catch that!" " lets try again!"[20:37:38] <helf> i went "OMG BITCH".. it goes "great! lets continue! block D is.."[20:42:49] *** korli has quit IRC[20:43:31] <Duggan> ok, I give up[20:44:00] <Duggan> there's no way to decompress a bz2 in windows vista.... not possible....[20:44:12] <Duggan> no prealpha for me :([20:44:47] <PulkoMandy> 7zip does it fine ...[20:45:31] <Duggan> bunzip2 doesnt.... tugzip doesnt....[20:45:49] <Duggan> google doesn't come up with links to 7zip when I search for "bzip2 windows vista"[20:45:50] <Duggan> lol[20:46:01] *** SunWuKung|away is now known as SunWuKung|away|a[20:46:02] <PulkoMandy> www.7zip.org[20:46:10] <PulkoMandy> uncompress about everything[20:46:17] <dr_evil> Duggan get bunzip2 command line tool[20:46:26] <dr_evil> should work in win2k, xp and vista[20:46:29] <Duggan> lol no it doesnt[20:46:33] <helf> it does[20:46:35] <Duggan> I can show you screenshots if you want rofl[20:46:36] <helf> I use it in Vista[20:46:38] <helf> ok[20:46:40] <Duggan> no, it unzips it to *no location*'[20:46:57] <helf> run it with compatibility mode?[20:46:57] <Duggan> like... literally.... it doesn't show up but it says it already exists.... I searched for it and it popped up and it didn't exist[20:47:19] <Duggan> I mean it found it but the path was null... i tried copying it and it said it couldn't be found lol[20:47:26] <miqlas> ZZzzzZZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZZ : http://88.151.103.8/aoi/images/G0oFrezhlFN5fqVj.jpg[20:47:49] <helf> Duggan,[20:47:50] <helf> http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/bzip2.htm[20:47:55] <helf> that works in Vista[20:47:59] <helf> its listed as compatible[20:48:00] <Duggan> I think you missed the part where I said it doesnt lol[20:48:01] <helf> with requirements[20:48:16] <helf> you have something fucked up :P[20:48:23] <Duggan> tell me about it[20:49:27] <helf> what are you trying to decompress?[20:50:19] <helf> miqlas, Too bad the signs are in exactly the same position in every picture :P[20:50:38] <miqlas> :)[20:51:10] <Duggan> moving up in the world, used 7zip and I no longer get a "file doesn't exist", now I get an "error on line 1"[20:51:22] <miqlas> :D[20:51:32] <Duggan> I'm sorry guys but this is really starting to piss me off[20:51:49] <Duggan> I've been trying to help with this project for a year now and I have yet to be able to compile it from source[20:51:52] <helf> what are you trying to decompress?[20:52:03] <Duggan> am I that incompetent?......... wtf am I doing wrong...[20:52:10] <Duggan> the pre-alpha vmdk image[20:53:14] <helf> haiku-pre-alpha-r28283.vmdk.bz2[20:53:16] <helf> that one?[20:53:20] <Duggan> yep[20:56:42] *** shiroginne has joined #haiku[20:58:29] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[20:59:44] *** korli has joined #haiku[20:59:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[21:00:56] *** helf has quit IRC[21:01:07] <CIA-60> korli * r28302 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/soundrecorder/ (RecorderWindow.cpp RecorderWindow.h): adapt the record format with the input format[21:01:09] <PulkoMandy> Duggan, are you sure the download is correct ?[21:02:07] <Duggan> did it twice[21:02:38] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[21:02:57] *** helf has joined #haiku[21:02:59] <helf> fucking pc[21:08:15] *** BGA has quit IRC[21:08:48] <DeadYak> rene@fenrir:~$ bzip2 -t haiku-pre-alpha-r28283.vmdk.bz2[21:08:48] <DeadYak> rene@fenrir:~$ md5sum haiku-pre-alpha-r28283.vmdk.bz2[21:08:48] <DeadYak> cc1bc79d9676a7634f1ac4a08827c6ed haiku-pre-alpha-r28283.vmdk.bz2[21:08:48] <DeadYak> rene@fenrir:~$ ls -l haiku-pre-alpha-r28283.vmdk.bz2[21:08:54] <DeadYak> does yours match that size / md5 hash?[21:10:15] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[21:10:43] *** Nutela has joined #haiku[21:11:46] <Nutela> anyone running haiku want to see something funny?[21:12:10] <Duggan> depends lol[21:12:37] <Nutela> launch Chart (from the Demos) launch WorkSpaces, drag the Chart window from the WorkSpaces to another WP[21:12:58] <Nutela> oh be sure to start drawing before[21:15:11] <Nutela> Cool! This I wanted to have![21:15:21] <Duggan> chart crashed for me[21:15:39] <Nutela> Start Playground, click middle mous button and drag, it's like Adobe Acrobat dragging[21:15:49] *** korli has quit IRC[21:15:50] <Nutela> which version?[21:16:02] <Duggan> dunno, I'd hare to restart vmware lol[21:18:48] <Nutela> About Haiku will tell you[21:18:57] <Nutela> im running on raw hw[21:19:07] <Duggan> I know, I just haven't restarted vmware yet lol[21:19:16] <Nutela> ok gtg will file bug reports later[21:19:20] <Duggan> I am too just not right now[21:19:38] <Nutela> ok keep it up, test test test! :-)[21:19:40] <Nutela> bye[21:19:43] *** Nutela has quit IRC[21:20:15] <Duggan> screw that, I want to fix fix fix, but I cant even get the damn thing to compile X([21:24:54] <helf> something is wrong when a printer driver is over 50mb[21:25:05] <helf> I don't care how fancy your printer is..[21:25:07] <helf> that is just wrong :P[21:26:54] <Rakhun> helf: OSX installation has optional printer drivers at 3.4 G iirc (total size of course, but still)[21:27:18] <helf> good lord[21:27:34] <Rakhun> (and I agree with you btw, it's not an argument against it)[21:28:57] * JonathanThompson poits helf[21:29:16] *** Duggan has quit IRC[21:29:37] <helf> god, im getting sick of windows all over again[21:30:18] *** helf has quit IRC[21:33:10] *** helf has joined #haiku[21:33:16] <helf> god i hate computers all of the sudden[21:34:26] <JonathanThompson> Go kill them all, then![21:34:58] <JonathanThompson> That way, there'll be other things to gripe about other than the housing crunch, and everyone will need to be employed to replace the stuff computers automated ;)[21:37:59] <PulkoMandy> +++[21:38:01] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[21:44:21] * AlienSoldier decide to try haiku, hope it's a good build to try[21:45:20] <AlienSoldier> was 2 haiku partition something good or bad on 1 system?[21:47:13] <DeadYak> should be fine[21:47:52] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[21:48:28] <AlienSoldier> i remember MDR was not liking being on 2 partition at once in R5[21:56:13] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[21:56:24] *** petterhj has quit IRC[21:58:12] *** M_199 has joined #haiku[22:01:30] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[22:04:25] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[22:08:50] *** bch11 has quit IRC[22:12:58] <kallisti5> whoo! kallisti5 : idle : 700 hours 24 mins 46 secs (signon: Fri Sep 5 04:17:40 2008)[22:13:08] * kallisti5 flexes[22:13:33] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[22:14:02] <tqh> ookay[22:14:41] <kallisti5> sorry.. the haiku-pre-pre-pre alpha release made me all giddy[22:14:52] <helf> lol[22:15:07] <helf> All those morons that bought tons of gold are losing money now. value is below $700[22:15:42] <kallisti5> lol... the price of gold will never go down![22:15:50] <JonathanThompson> At least, in the form of gold, the loss of money is very compact ;)[22:16:42] <kallisti5> im starting to regret buying dell stock after the plunge... because it is still plunging :'([22:17:27] <AlienSoldier> be ready to see 30% of company go chapt 11 in the comming months[22:19:01] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[22:19:07] * JonathanThompson notes AlienSoldier is an optimist[22:19:34] <Monni> I would love to see whole USA go chapter 11[22:19:55] <tqh> get over it :)[22:22:29] <JonathanThompson> Monni: you're a complete fscking idiot.[22:22:50] <JonathanThompson> Consider what would happen if that did come true.[22:23:48] <AlienSoldier> it would never come true, because the law would be included in the whole thing[22:24:00] *** M_199 has quit IRC[22:24:34] * JonathanThompson wonders if there are any dung beetles that live in a turd world country[22:24:44] <AlienSoldier> but technically, it is already, as all country probably, they are all in dept they will never be able to pay, whole system does not compute[22:25:03] <JonathanThompson> Not all the country, but too many for comfort.[22:25:19] <tqh> I think Norway is not.[22:25:24] <JonathanThompson> Sadly, there's so many people acting like we need to rescue all those in debt and with upside down mortgages.[22:25:37] *** ddew|bofh has joined #haiku[22:25:40] <ddew|bofh> g'evening[22:26:23] <AlienSoldier> eventually, soon enough, money as a commodity concept will disapear and will be re-made as a contract thing[22:26:31] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[22:26:46] <AlienSoldier> then, try to charge interest on a contract[22:27:20] <ddew|bofh> we've already tried that, didn't work out :)[22:28:12] <AlienSoldier> out of curiosity (i have no account) does paypal pay interest?[22:28:41] *** korli has joined #haiku[22:28:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[22:28:46] <JonathanThompson> It'd be interesting if they do![22:29:36] <ddew|bofh> now why would they do that? they're not a bank[22:32:10] <helf> interest>?[22:32:11] <helf> uh[22:32:26] <helf> they are more likely to freeze your account and never tellyou why and never let you have your money back[22:32:43] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[22:32:52] <ddew|bofh> paypal doesn't deal with money in that sense, they're not a bank. they just make it easier to pay online[22:32:55] <AlienSoldier> interest, the art of not have to work anymore aka as the free ticket to slavery[22:33:02] <ddew|bofh> you don't even have to have any money with them[22:33:14] <ddew|bofh> wow, hippie[22:33:14] <helf> generally, our account has no money in paypal[22:33:24] <helf> we pull from our checking/credit cards to make a payment[22:33:26] <ddew|bofh> i've never had any money in that account[22:33:38] <ddew|bofh> except for the obligatory token payment[22:33:44] <helf> i imediately withdraw money i receive[22:34:05] * JonathanThompson wonders what the price of PayPal withdrawal symptoms is[22:34:06] <ddew|bofh> i only use it to buy stuff, and it's linked to my creditcard[22:34:26] <tqh> btw what's your credit card number?[22:34:33] <AlienSoldier> 666[22:34:37] <tqh> :)[22:34:51] <JonathanThompson> 1234 5678 9012 3456 ;)[22:35:08] <ddew|bofh> that's what's so nice about having a proper bank. i'm not responsible for purchases i didn't make :)[22:35:14] <AlienSoldier> JonathanThompson i was expecting to see imaginary number in yours :P[22:35:17] <JonathanThompson> (My phone number is 000-555-1212)[22:35:25] <JonathanThompson> Hard to type, AlienSoldier ;)[22:35:31] <JonathanThompson> (You have to imagine them)[22:35:44] <AlienSoldier> or gesture them with a wiimote :P[22:35:53] <tqh> I was so close to buying a Intel SSD.[22:36:09] <tqh> but it didn't like that number...[22:36:15] * JonathanThompson goes back to the Place of Dread with a Future 10+% Dead[22:36:41] <helf> SSDs are evil[22:36:50] <ddew|bofh> ssds are nice but they're still way too slow[22:36:54] <AlienSoldier> does ssd already in typical computer store yet or it it still online ordering?[22:36:55] <helf> they are evil[22:37:04] <tqh> ddew|bofh, not the intel ones[22:37:28] <tqh> Linus was impressed: http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2008/10/so-i-got-one-of-new-intel-ssds.html[22:37:41] <ddew|bofh> oh right, linus is teh god[22:37:58] <tqh> It's not about Linus it's about the numbers.[22:38:03] <AlienSoldier> i want to put a 8G one in my old P3 system and remove all fan[22:38:45] <ddew|bofh> ssds still suck, nevermind performance. i'm more about price-efficiency[22:39:04] <ddew|bofh> it's like with scsi drives, their performance is stellar but the high pricepoint makes them suck[22:39:19] <tqh> that is ofc true. But price is a boring topic[22:39:29] <ddew|bofh> boring but very relevant[22:39:30] <geist> BORING[22:40:29] <helf> linus...[22:40:59] <AlienSoldier> hi price don't bother me when, it's something you have for life, it's something you don't buy in great quantity[22:41:22] <ddew|bofh> you don't buy anything for life[22:41:32] <ddew|bofh> things break, become obsolete etc[22:41:41] <tqh> and it would reduce the time I spend waiting in front of the computer a lot.[22:42:03] <AlienSoldier> you can buy aturtle or a parrot for life :) gold digger also fit that category :P[22:42:27] <helf> actually sounds nice :d[22:42:29] <tqh> don't want no gold digger.[22:42:54] <ddew|bofh> i don't find myself spending more than about 5 mins each day in total waiting for my computer when doing various tasks[22:43:02] <AlienSoldier> who care, just don't let her prepare lunch as she is conflict of interest :)[22:43:13] <ddew|bofh> and saving 5 mins each day is so not worth it to me[22:43:51] <AlienSoldier> it is for me, as i don't take 5 min a day to shave :)[22:44:39] <AlienSoldier> for me ssd is more a noise thing[22:44:45] <kallisti5> hmm this needs to be ported to haiku[22:44:47] <kallisti5> http://www.beigerecords.com/cory/pizza_party/[22:45:42] <tqh> We have http://pizza.nu here.[22:45:47] <ddew|bofh> what's to port? there's a python version available[22:46:34] <ddew|bofh> and the first one is written in perl, which also ought to work[22:47:41] <kallisti5> haha, just downloaded it and realized that[22:47:44] <kallisti5> sigh[22:47:55] <kallisti5> well, then perl needs to be compiled for haiku ;)[22:47:59] <AlienSoldier> if i was to use a computer to order pizza i would have it sound like L from Death Note[22:48:04] <ddew|bofh> it already is :)[22:48:09] <kallisti5> sigh[22:48:16] * kallisti5 puts on his failure hat[22:48:21] <ddew|bofh> hehe[22:48:34] <ddew|bofh> it's ok, it's not your fault that you're an idiot ;)[22:48:38] <DeadYak> kallisti5: -rw-r--r-- 1 rene rene 10290065 Mar 24 2008 perl-5.10.0-gcc2-2008-03-24.zip[22:49:11] <tqh> I like perl, it's like a confusing little world of it's own.[22:50:23] <kallisti5> for somereason i see a perl program that orders pizza for you a bad thing.. i wonder if their system got a request for 999 pizza's[22:50:32] <kallisti5> what they would do[22:50:47] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[22:50:57] <kallisti5> and ddew..[22:51:00] <kallisti5> i hate you[22:51:04] <kallisti5> ;)[22:51:08] <ddew|bofh> :)[22:51:09] <helf> tqh, that SSD sounds pretty sweet. guess they are finally maturing :)[22:51:53] <tqh> helf, yes. I hope the price goes down quick.[22:52:49] <helf> yeah[22:53:31] <ddew|bofh> if we'll see a pricedrop like the one on ddr2 i'll be a happy man :)[22:53:51] <kallisti5> hmm[22:53:54] <kallisti5> http://cgi.ebay.com/2-CF-LAPTOP-44-pin-IDE-SSD-Adapter-mini-ITX-Bootable_W0QQitemZ370100330539QQihZ024QQcategoryZ41993QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem[22:54:03] <kallisti5> CF -> ide $4[22:54:15] <kallisti5> sorry to burst the SSD love bubble :([22:54:34] <helf> intels ssd smokes a UDMA CF card :P[22:54:47] <tqh> and my laptop is sata :)[22:55:03] <helf> addonics makes a UDMA Cf to SATA adapter, sqh[22:55:06] <helf> tqh[22:55:13] <kallisti5> helf: but look at the price ratio :)[22:55:13] <tqh> hehe[22:55:21] <helf> im going to be putting a 4gb UDMA CF card in my NeXT :)[22:55:24] <helf> and my laptop[22:55:29] <tqh> price is boring![22:55:31] <kallisti5> tqh: im not buying you one ;)[22:55:56] <helf> going to stick the dual CF adapter in my laptop. woo :D have one smaller CF for swap and a larger one for the OS isntall[22:55:59] <tqh> it's ok. I can manage[22:56:10] <ddew|bofh> screw cf, i want and sdcard adapter :)[22:56:13] <ddew|bofh> *an[22:56:14] * kallisti5 hives tqh a non-sexual hug[22:56:17] <ddew|bofh> *a[22:56:20] <ddew|bofh> *gah*[22:56:33] <kallisti5> err gives not hives[22:56:44] * kallisti5 takes a moment to ponder on that one[22:56:47] <tqh> gee thanks I guess[22:57:24] <kallisti5> sigh.. i think i was more useful idling.[22:57:28] <helf> ddew|bofh, screw SD[22:57:30] <helf> CF is better[22:57:36] <helf> specially the high quality UDMA ones :P[22:57:47] <kallisti5> that is when UDMA works[22:57:55] <helf> yeah...[22:58:03] <ddew|bofh> well cf got the ide-compat thing going for it. but sd is so much smaller[22:58:10] <helf> bleh[22:58:16] <helf> what does it matter when you are replacing a hdd? :P[22:58:27] <helf> you have lots of space in the hdd bay :)_[22:58:45] <ddew|bofh> i'm thinking an uberarray of chips[22:58:57] * kallisti5 ponders a raid 5 of SSD[22:59:03] <helf> ok, at that points, why not just an SSD? :P[22:59:27] <ddew|bofh> holy crap, cf is expensive[22:59:44] <kallisti5> damn... beat me to it[22:59:46] <kallisti5> http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/13/battleship-mtron-the-absurdly-fast-ssd-raid-array/[23:00:08] <helf> you can get DDR RAID arrays[23:00:13] <helf> I'm sure thats even faster :P[23:00:20] <helf> ddew|bofh, CF isnt that expensive[23:00:30] <ddew|bofh> compared to what? :)[23:02:08] <helf> your mom[23:02:24] <kallisti5> ...[23:02:35] <helf> ^_^[23:02:53] <ddew|bofh> yeah, imagine she's pretty cheap. after being dead for 23 years and all that :)[23:03:27] <helf> oh crap[23:03:31] <helf> i keep forgetting that :P[23:03:38] <ddew|bofh> hehe[23:03:55] <helf> first person ive encountered that used the "my mom is dead, you bastard" line and was telling the truth[23:03:59] <ddew|bofh> "your mom" jokes have no power over me :P[23:04:05] <helf> :P[23:04:14] <helf> I agree with people when they do them to me :P[23:04:20] <ddew|bofh> hehe[23:04:58] <ddew|bofh> aw man, i'm such a geek[23:05:23] <ddew|bofh> sitting here studying a pile of photos from the building of ISS[23:05:33] <helf> :P[23:05:47] <ddew|bofh> that's not the sad part, i'm actually doing it for fun :)[23:06:00] <helf> I wonder how fast it would be if you had a RAID setup of SSDs in two seperate sata controllers with gobs of onboard cache and then raided the two controllers..[23:06:01] <helf> hmmm[23:06:14] <helf> The ISS is awesome[23:06:30] <ddew|bofh> heh, you might run into a situation where the harddrive no longer is the bottleneck in a system[23:06:50] * kallisti5 points to his article from earlier where someone did this[23:06:52] <kallisti5> http://www.nextlevelhardware.com/storage/battleship/[23:07:03] <helf> they didnt raid separate controllers[23:07:10] <ddew|bofh> i just hope the us doesn't pussy out of additional funding for it[23:07:15] <kallisti5> aah[23:07:37] <helf> oh wait[23:07:38] <helf> i think they did[23:07:39] <helf> hold on[23:07:58] <kallisti5> ARC-1231ML[23:08:02] <ddew|bofh> yeah, they've ditched funding for NASA but i'm still hoping that they'll reconsider[23:08:15] <ddew|bofh> holy mother of crap, that ssd array is _fast_[23:09:21] <kallisti5> lol, and it still takes vista 12 seconds to load[23:09:41] <kallisti5> i guess buggy code and nop's will do that[23:09:42] <ddew|bofh> in which part of the universe is a boot time of 25 seconds considered slow?[23:09:52] <kallisti5> the beos universe ;)[23:09:54] <helf> no, they didnt raid controllers[23:10:13] <helf> I want raided controllers :P[23:10:14] <Ingenu> night everyone[23:10:17] <ddew|bofh> well beos didn't have a third of the functionality vista has :)[23:10:21] <ddew|bofh> g'night[23:10:26] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:10:29] *** SunWuKung|away|a has quit IRC[23:10:31] <ddew|bofh> so i'd say a 25 sec boottime is excusable[23:10:48] <ddew|bofh> considering you only do it once a month[23:11:01] <kallisti5> psh.. beos has a unix like command line.. vista doesn't have that (if you mention cygwin i will stab you in the face)[23:11:10] <helf> my NeXT takes 1.2minutes to boot and thats on a 33mhz 040 with 128mb of 60ns EDO, a SCSI-2 drive that maxes at 2MB/s with a full unix OS loading[23:11:14] <tqh> then again Vista don't have BeOS functions :)[23:11:15] <ddew|bofh> no, it has something way more powerful[23:11:15] <helf> and its 17 years old[23:11:20] <helf> new machines should be booting in 10 seconds ;)[23:11:51] <ddew|bofh> gah, why is everyone booting all the time? why not just put it to sleep?[23:12:02] <helf> sleep still draws power[23:12:07] <kallisti5> ddew|bofh: torrents[23:12:10] <kallisti5> nuff said[23:12:13] <tqh> for the pretty icons[23:12:15] <helf> heh[23:12:23] <DeadYak> kallisti5: uh...what about torrents?[23:12:28] <ddew|bofh> so you need to reboot the computer because of torrents?[23:12:30] <helf> yeah, what?[23:12:39] <helf> none of my machines sleep well with any OS[23:12:41] <kallisti5> nah, people dont use sleep cause of em[23:12:45] <helf> thats why i dont bother with it :)[23:12:58] <helf> ddew|bofh, how well does vista work with sleeping?[23:13:05] <ddew|bofh> very well[23:13:09] <DeadYak> I've had hit or miss experiences with suspend/resume on random hardware[23:13:16] <helf> i messed with my grandmothers laptop with vista and i couldnt get it to come out of sleep..[23:13:17] <ddew|bofh> takes about 1.5 secs to wake up from sleep[23:13:23] <DeadYak> I've only ever really seen it work well on unmodified out of the box configurations from vendors[23:13:30] <kallisti5> damn, people in the haiku chatroom use vista?[23:13:33] * kallisti5 gags[23:13:34] <helf> DeadYak, ive never had it work well on mine[23:13:43] <DeadYak> helf: works fine in XP on my laptop at home[23:13:50] <helf> :/[23:13:53] <helf> hibernate works well :P[23:14:00] <helf> my toshiba doesnt like to sleep[23:14:06] <ddew|bofh> i use vista all the time, no problems waking up from sleep. although i do tend to have proper drivers installed as opposed to the generic ahci and chipsetdrivers in vista[23:14:08] <kallisti5> microsft free for 5 years![23:14:18] <ddew|bofh> poor you :P[23:14:22] <helf> heh[23:14:27] * kallisti5 kisses his linus pendant and raises it to the sky[23:14:32] <helf> oh lord[23:14:51] * kallisti5 dances for a while then gets bored[23:15:30] <helf> I run a little bit of everything[23:15:36] <kallisti5> orly?[23:15:37] <helf> I don't care what I use as long as it works[23:15:41] <helf> ya RLY[23:15:45] <kallisti5> like os/2 and nt 3.1?[23:15:46] <ddew|bofh> i run that which does what i need it to do[23:15:55] <helf> I hate warp4 for a bit :P[23:15:57] <helf> and ecs 1.2[23:15:58] <helf> lol[23:16:05] <kallisti5> and plan9[23:16:09] <kallisti5> and QNX[23:16:13] <DeadYak> kallisti5: I can't think of anything that's depressed me more on the desktop in recent years than linux[23:16:17] <ddew|bofh> so a couple of linux servers, a solaris fileserver, vista workstations and slaptops, xp netbooks[23:16:18] <helf> Right now its windows xp, windows 95 (my debian hdd for that laptop died...), windows 2k, nextstep 3.3, debian sarge[23:16:32] <kallisti5> hmm i liked nextstep[23:16:34] <helf> kallisti5, I used to have a 386 booting QNX4[23:16:38] <kallisti5> then apple had to dirty it up[23:16:49] <helf> OSX is OK[23:16:51] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:16:55] <ddew|bofh> nextstep is ok, os x is an abomination[23:17:09] <helf> I'm upgrading my NeXT to openstep as soon as I can finish converting it to CF cards[23:17:18] <kallisti5> dont get me started on the iphone and how it kills small children[23:17:23] <helf> heh...[23:17:28] <ddew|bofh> the iphone is a fun device :)[23:17:32] <ddew|bofh> i love it[23:17:33] <kallisti5> uugh[23:17:37] <helf> I Don't mind OSX. The interface can be annoying sometimes. but..[23:17:40] <kallisti5> UUUGGHHHH[23:17:55] <kallisti5> iphone == locked down development[23:18:01] <helf> DeadYak, what are you using as your primary desktop?[23:18:07] <ddew|bofh> i can't stand os x so i'm running winserver 2008 on my mbp :)[23:18:20] <kallisti5> .[23:18:22] <DeadYak> helf: at home, my XP laptop and Haiku[23:18:26] <ddew|bofh> kallisti5: ever heard of the phenomena "jailbrak"?[23:18:28] <DeadYak> helf: at work I'm forced to use Linux[23:18:30] <helf> ah[23:18:38] <ddew|bofh> *jailbreak[23:18:44] <helf> ddew|bofh, thats a dirty hack :P[23:18:53] <kallisti5> ddew|bofh: yep... still dumb though[23:18:54] <ddew|bofh> dirty hack that works :)[23:19:01] <kallisti5> i perfer my treo[23:19:04] <helf> I love my treo[23:19:08] <helf> I want to get a 755[23:19:12] <helf> my 650 is about dead[23:19:25] <ddew|bofh> my fav hacked app is mxtube, a youtube downloader :)[23:19:39] <kallisti5> im still waiting for palm's linux based os and palmos compat. layer[23:19:45] * kallisti5 taps his foot[23:19:56] <helf> hopefully it wont blow[23:20:01] * helf laughs[23:20:02] <ddew|bofh> the tethering app is pretty good to, it's nice having 7.2MBit interweb on the go[23:20:24] <helf> when did they start calling it tethering?[23:20:36] * helf is so out of the loop with "tech talk"[23:20:36] <kallisti5> back in the 80's[23:20:53] <helf> heh[23:21:01] <kallisti5> us new kids call it popin fresh[23:21:10] <kallisti5> or the purple snake[23:21:27] <ddew|bofh> damn hippies[23:22:08] <kallisti5> ddew|bofh: ...[23:22:14] <kallisti5> ddew|bofh: <3[23:23:18] <kallisti5> the death of an irc chan..[23:23:42] <helf> I'm going to probably sell my NeXT as soon as i finish upgrading it... Hopefully I'll be able to woo some collector into giving me far too much money :P[23:24:02] <ddew|bofh> hehe, tell him Jobs peed on it :P[23:24:08] <helf> lol[23:24:11] <kallisti5> ill trade you a BeBox for it[23:24:16] <helf> 133?[23:25:01] <kallisti5> [helf(n=helf at 74 dot 92.253.9)] what revision bebox?[23:25:04] <kallisti5> j/k ;)[23:25:18] <ddew|bofh> not. funny.[23:25:35] <kallisti5> if i did have one you wouldn't want it.. after all the humping and all[23:25:36] <ddew|bofh> beboxen are holy[23:25:59] <helf> i hate you[23:25:59] <helf> :P[23:26:01] <kallisti5> i saw one one on ebay a fre years ago for 300ish[23:26:08] <kallisti5> i should of gotten it :([23:26:23] <helf> deadyak has two :P[23:26:32] <kallisti5> damnit[23:26:39] <kallisti5> stor hording![23:26:42] <kallisti5> dfgj[dfgfdp[asgh[23:26:52] <kallisti5> type str8 damnit[23:27:06] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[23:27:25] <helf> anyways, I'm hoping I can get a decent price for my NeXT. itll be pretty nice as far as NeXTstations go[23:28:06] <kallisti5> theres one on ebay for $190 right now with bids[23:28:16] <helf> probably bare bones[23:28:19] <helf> gimme ID number[23:28:29] <DeadYak> one of 'em I'm definitely keeping, the other I'd like to ideally give to one of our core guys over in Europe some day so they could get Haiku booting on it[23:28:42] <kallisti5> 300267200668[23:28:47] <helf> keep the pre FCC tested unit :)[23:29:01] <kallisti5> wait, was it a cube or a station?[23:29:16] <CIA-60> korli * r28303 /haiku/trunk/src/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[23:29:16] <CIA-60> * BMediaRoster::GetAudio*() should return B_NAME_NOT_FOUND when nothing is set[23:29:16] <CIA-60> * In this case, SoundRecorder shows a different error message, more informative, confer bug #134[23:29:24] <helf> ive had a cube, my current three are stations[23:29:26] <helf> thats a mono[23:29:33] <helf> with almost no extras[23:29:34] <helf> weak :P[23:29:40] <helf> good machine to start with, though[23:30:02] *** boh666 has joined #haiku[23:30:20] <helf> mines a turbo color with maxed ram, about to have a nice storage upgrade, tape drive, cd drive, lots of software, extra parts, one rare piece of hardware, will have an LCD.. :)[23:30:59] <DeadYak> korli: nice :) ooooooooooold bug[23:31:31] <helf> kallisti5, my cube was modified and had 4 motherboards :P i sold it for a decent amount[23:32:02] <helf> kallisti5, http://helf.freeshell.org/quad-cube.jpg[23:33:02] <kallisti5> helf: nice , extra ~fancy~[23:33:09] <korli> DeadYak: stop kidding :)[23:35:08] <kallisti5> helf: aww http://helf.freeshell.org/prom.jpg[23:35:14] <korli> DeadYak: who is able to update http://haiku-files.org/files/optional-packages/ ?[23:36:49] <ddew|bofh> dorky suit, hot chick. odd combo :)[23:36:50] *** zizban has joined #haiku[23:38:54] <kallisti5> ill narrate this pic: http://helf.freeshell.org/crt_mags/Picture112_22Oct07.jpg[23:39:00] <helf> god[23:39:03] <helf> i forget i have shit in there[23:39:10] <helf> I hate proms[23:39:12] <helf> :P[23:39:18] <helf> that was emily. she was cool[23:39:36] <kallisti5> seconds later helf was covered in burning hot plasma (cause u know, crt's have plasma in them)[23:39:41] <ddew|bofh> seriously black suit with a black shirt?[23:39:57] <helf> what? you want lime green and baby blue?[23:40:04] <kallisti5> lol[23:40:08] <ddew|bofh> and pink tie to top it off, as clearly it isn't fruity ernough as it is?[23:40:18] <helf> :P[23:40:28] <helf> it looked better in real life[23:40:29] <helf> really[23:40:30] <helf> it did[23:40:32] <helf> uh huh[23:40:36] <kallisti5> hmm it seems helf lives in angleton texas[23:40:38] <ddew|bofh> hehe[23:40:40] <helf> who cares, i went with the prom queen[23:40:43] * helf sticks tongue out[23:40:50] <helf> I live in Alabama[23:40:55] <kallisti5> ooh[23:40:55] <helf> where the hell did you get texas from?[23:41:01] <ddew|bofh> it's ok, we all did our fair share of fashion mistakes in our youth[23:41:04] <helf> :P[23:41:04] <kallisti5> damn socal engineering failure[23:41:07] <kallisti5> http://helf.freeshell.org/necessities.jpg[23:41:18] <zizban> bah, all those southern states blur together :)[23:41:18] <ddew|bofh> i've done live gigs in an eric draven outfit[23:41:23] <helf> ew[23:41:24] <ddew|bofh> complete with make up :)[23:41:39] * helf is afriad of what all it in that dir[23:41:42] <helf> i dont remember :)[23:42:00] <kallisti5> damn.. work is too boring if im diging through random indexes[23:42:06] <ddew|bofh> don't worry, we'll remind you if we find anything embarrassing :P[23:42:16] <helf> :P[23:42:26] <helf> random indexes can be fun[23:42:26] <kallisti5> lol @ Joshua[23:42:29] <kallisti5> http://helf.freeshell.org/writeup.jpeg[23:42:35] <helf> yeah.. that was mine[23:42:51] <kallisti5> good choice on the scan[23:43:09] <ddew|bofh> best. writeup. ever.[23:43:33] <helf> Amanda is a humorless bitch[23:43:40] <helf> Just so you know[23:44:05] <DeadYak> korli: actually I don't know ... Ingo for sure because he uploaded the packages for the dev kit and such[23:44:15] <kallisti5> yeah, i dont see how that was racially offensive[23:44:15] * DeadYak pokes nielx[23:44:21] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28304 /haiku/trunk/ (Jamrules build/jam/BuildSetup):[23:44:21] <CIA-60> BuildConfig needs to be included before any other rules file. That's why[23:44:21] <CIA-60> the wrong Link actions were used (always the no-attributes-support ones[23:44:21] <CIA-60> which remove the target first), for instance.[23:44:41] <helf> kallisti5, she is a dumbass. Cinco De Mayo isnt even a big holiday[23:44:56] <helf> all the spanish people I know thought it was funny. heh[23:45:06] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[23:45:13] <ddew|bofh> people are too PC for their own good[23:45:32] *** boh666 has quit IRC[23:45:34] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28305 /haiku/trunk/ (136 files in 69 dirs): Preparations for removing __BEOS__ from the compiler defines.[23:46:38] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28306 /buildtools/trunk/legacy/ (24 files in 12 dirs): No longer define __BEOS__ for target Haiku.[23:46:43] <helf> ddew : she gave one of my friends a 2 week suspension because he didnt 100% properly get something approved before doing it.. even though he won us some awards and some grant money[23:46:52] <kallisti5> helf: ok, i am complete browsing your junk index'es[23:46:57] <kallisti5> nothing to fap to[23:47:00] <kallisti5> move along[23:47:02] <helf> i removed all that :P[23:47:25] <helf> wait, there are two jpgs in the top of the index[23:47:31] <helf> that are OK.. i geuss[23:47:31] <helf> :P[23:47:34] <kallisti5> weak[23:47:37] <ddew|bofh> kidding me? the 300SL is totally fappable[23:47:41] <helf> lol[23:47:46] <helf> I love the 300sl's[23:48:03] <helf> The bizzarrini is niiiice[23:48:08] <kallisti5> sigh korli.. SIGH[23:48:14] <kallisti5> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/2902[23:48:48] <kallisti5> semantics ftw[23:48:50] <helf> bbl[23:49:02] *** helf has quit IRC[23:49:41] *** oco has joined #haiku[23:50:30] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[23:51:13] *** adb has left #haiku[23:53:03] <korli> kallisti5: ?[23:53:19] <kallisti5> lol, just kidding[23:53:34] <kallisti5> u people do good work[23:54:27] <korli> interesting how it seems like usb booting is more bug prone :)[23:54:51] <kallisti5> strange right? some sort of SMP / USB conflict?[23:55:44] <kallisti5> i have an idea, ill install haiku to the HDD and see if it still occurs[23:56:29] <DeadYak> bbl[23:56:33] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[23:57:08] *** entlog has joined #haiku[23:57:09] <korli> kallisti5: this would help yes, also net booting if you can :)[23:57:32] <kallisti5> lol, no clue how to PXE haiku ;)[23:58:39] <korli> actually it would be cool to net boot Haiku from a Haiku PXE server :)[23:59:03] <kallisti5> hmm.. that would make development crazy fast[23:59:53] *** Guma has joined #haiku