October 22, 2008 
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October 22, 2008 [00:00:14] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[00:00:28] * DaaT pets DeadYak from Haiku and Vision[00:00:33] * DeadYak pets DaaT[00:00:39] * Begasus slaps DaaT ![00:00:48] <Begasus> Karls been doing a great job again ... :s[00:01:25] * Begasus stops ... it's getting to my nerves ... :s[00:01:38] * DaaT slaps Begasus[00:01:55] <Begasus> too p*ssed atm DaaT ..[00:02:26] <DaaT> why?[00:02:31] <DaaT> ahhh, karl from haikuware?[00:02:51] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[00:03:28] *** miqlas_ has joined #haiku[00:03:29] *** miqlas has quit IRC[00:06:15] <Begasus> http://www.haikuware.com/view-details/games/3d/no-gravity-space-girl#pc_1240[00:06:21] <Begasus> sorry .. that's enough for me ...[00:09:50] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[00:13:30] *** begasus_ has joined #haiku[00:15:56] <DaaT> wb[00:16:14] <AlienSoldier> Begasus what about that entry?[00:21:57] <begasus_> he takes all and doesn't give credit to any of the porters ...[00:22:03] <begasus_> for one ...[00:22:22] *** Begasus has quit IRC[00:22:27] *** begasus_ is now known as Begasus[00:25:29] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[00:25:36] *** wildur has quit IRC[00:25:59] <AlienSoldier> that is very possible, i can't say (might know soon as i currently work for him on something), but i won't be piss at him as he at least do something (not to say you are doing nothing, far from it :))[00:26:07] <Begasus> ps ... the one he's using in the latter link is actualy an older one that has been online for longer ...[00:28:00] <Begasus> AlienSoldier, I'm not pissed at him for the work he's doing ...[00:28:07] <Begasus> just the way he is doing it atm ...[00:28:15] <Begasus> as for some downloads ...[00:29:56] <AlienSoldier> i will send him some ninja, all should be fine after :P[00:30:41] <Begasus> doubt it AlienSoldier ... he knows how I feel ...[00:30:55] <DaaT> anyone here had luck running netsurf? it's complaining about missing libjpeg.so[00:31:07] <Begasus> np here DaaT[00:31:23] <AlienSoldier> DaaT ruuned it in R5[00:31:27] <AlienSoldier> *runned[00:32:12] <DaaT> haiku here[00:33:07] <AlienSoldier> i have not tested haiku since i'm back from the woods[00:33:43] *** Stefan100 has quit IRC[00:34:17] * Begasus needs to update the source ...[00:34:52] <Begasus> ps DaaT .. http://begasus.blogspot.com/[00:35:08] <Begasus> the male one got his first German youth title ;)[00:35:49] <DaaT> congratulations :)[00:36:44] <Begasus> thnx! ;)[00:36:49] <DaaT> :)[00:37:09] <Begasus> it's the only thing that's stopping me from sending the mail atm ...[00:37:12] <Begasus> common sense ...[00:37:34] <Begasus> to bad it usualy doesn't work both ways ... :s[00:37:40] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[00:37:45] <DaaT> wb DeadYak[00:37:47] <Begasus> wb DeadYak[00:52:43] *** oco has quit IRC[00:57:28] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[00:59:19] <CIA-60> aldeck * r28274 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/tracker/Tracker.cpp:[00:59:19] <CIA-60> * Lock the window when saving windows states in Tracker::QuitRequested.[00:59:19] <CIA-60> This was the cause of #2571 and duplicate #2888 although the bug wasn't[00:59:19] <CIA-60> triggered anymore since r28205.[01:00:59] <AnEvilYak> aldeck: nice :)[01:04:30] <aldeck> hi AnEvilYak! thx :)[01:16:18] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[01:16:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[01:19:56] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[01:21:58] *** adb has quit IRC[01:26:01] *** DaaT has quit IRC[01:33:33] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[01:35:20] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[01:35:36] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[01:39:29] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[01:39:34] *** hdana1 has joined #haiku[01:40:47] *** thotypous has quit IRC[01:42:23] <Begasus> hmm when I try to compile the image with openssh support (with added hostname) it doesn't build them and other optional packages ...[01:42:44] <DeadYak> how are you doing it?[01:43:07] <Begasus> #HAIKU_IMAGE_HOST_NAME = begasus[01:43:14] <DeadYak> without the # I hope?[01:43:17] <Begasus> that's a line (just the name as test)[01:43:26] <Begasus> I added the # to check ;)[01:43:28] <DeadYak> oh.[01:43:36] <DeadYak> AddOptionalHaikuImagePackages OpenSSH ; ?[01:43:38] <Begasus> with it it doesn't build the optional packages ...[01:43:46] <DeadYak> you forgot the ;[01:43:57] <Begasus> AddOptionalHaikuImagePackages[01:44:01] <DeadYak> should be HAIKU_IMAGE_HOST_NAME = begasus ;[01:44:06] <Begasus> w00t[01:44:15] <Begasus> :D[01:44:19] <DeadYak> also note the space between begasus and ; matters[01:44:23] <DeadYak> same for any other line[01:44:23] <Begasus> my bad there ;)[01:44:33] <Begasus> nah the other one is ok ;)[01:44:36] <DeadYak> k[01:44:43] <Begasus> it's just 'part of' ;)[01:45:08] <DeadYak> just making sure, that part of jam syntax is a bit counterintuitive :)[01:45:19] <Begasus> AddOptionalHaikuImagePackages[01:45:19] <Begasus> APR[01:45:19] <Begasus> APR-util[01:45:19] <Begasus> Beam[01:45:19] <Begasus> BeHappy[01:45:21] <Begasus> etc ...[01:45:41] <Begasus> yeah ... should've noticed myself ...[01:45:50] *** hdanak has quit IRC[01:45:58] <DeadYak> if you want them all btw....[01:46:06] <DeadYak> HAIKU_ADD_ALL_OPTIONAL_PACKAGES = 1 ;[01:46:15] <DeadYak> no need for the very long AddOptionalHaikuImagePackages line[01:46:35] <Begasus> nah .. opensound isn't one I need in every image ...[01:46:51] <Begasus> the PC doesn't like it[01:46:54] <DeadYak> okey[01:47:02] <DeadYak> just checking since you seemed to list a ton of them :)[01:47:05] <DeadYak> anyways, I need to go[01:47:13] <Begasus> k thnx for the tips ;)[01:47:19] <Begasus> enjoy ![01:47:44] <DeadYak> you too :)[01:48:08] <Begasus> will do ;)[01:48:49] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[01:55:48] *** thotypous has quit IRC[01:57:03] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[01:57:26] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[02:01:08] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[02:03:04] <Begasus> ps DeadYak ... http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yGwQ2Lr9rho/SPm-nPPtpCI/AAAAAAAAAEI/vkQxrQSMn4Q/s1600-h/DSCF8751.JPG ... my 'litle guy' ;)[02:03:16] <Begasus> <eg> :P[02:09:41] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[02:10:29] *** ddew|bofh has joined #haiku[02:10:32] <ddew|bofh> o/[02:10:43] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[02:10:46] *** Schmedly3D has joined #haiku[02:10:49] *** Schmedly3D has left #haiku[02:11:46] * Begasus needs to tape his fingers ....[02:12:20] <ddew|bofh> heh, had a similar thought moments ago[02:13:04] <ddew|bofh> guitarshredding takes its toll after a few hours[02:13:09] <Begasus> probly not in the same content :P[02:13:17] <Begasus> hehe[02:14:00] <ddew|bofh> listening to buckethead is wickedly inspirational[02:14:19] <Begasus> nothing inspires me for the moment :P[02:14:44] <ddew|bofh> well that's not not _my_ fault, now is it? ;)[02:15:56] <Begasus> nope ;)[02:16:02] <ddew|bofh> hehe[02:16:17] <Begasus> well the Haiku image is building fine now thnx DeadYak!![02:19:25] <ddew|bofh> egad, buckethead is a weird fellow indeed. :O[02:20:05] <ddew|bofh> the whole chicken thing is taken like three steps too far for comfort :)[02:30:55] *** johndrinkwater has quit IRC[02:31:52] *** johndrinkwater has joined #haiku[02:32:24] *** johndrinkwater is now known as Guest92343[02:34:44] <Begasus> busted ;)[02:43:52] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[02:50:54] <Begasus> g'night peeps[02:50:58] *** Begasus has quit IRC[02:56:24] *** boh666 has quit IRC[03:01:53] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[03:02:49] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[03:07:49] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[03:09:50] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[03:31:56] *** aldeck has quit IRC[03:36:22] *** petterhj has quit IRC[03:45:08] *** mmadia has quit IRC[04:00:51] *** _Lucretia_ has joined #haiku[04:17:06] * JonathanThompson can claim he's sharing a Yahoo! stalker with the guy that sits next to him[04:30:21] <ddew|bofh> stalker or upset shareholder? ;)[04:31:15] <JonathanThompson> Claims to be an upset free email account user that now is unable to get into her own email account she's had for 9 years :)[04:31:29] <ddew|bofh> ah, so a loony then[04:31:32] <JonathanThompson> And also seems to be seeking a testing job, or something, in C#.[04:31:54] <JonathanThompson> But we're also wondering if she's an undercover reporter trying to get some dirt.[04:32:18] <JonathanThompson> She sent me and my coworker email today asking if she could take us out for lunch or coffee.[04:32:31] <ddew|bofh> might be a headhunter?[04:32:40] <JonathanThompson> That's unlikely.[04:32:47] <ddew|bofh> in which case i'd say go for it :)[04:33:15] <JonathanThompson> She claims to be a student working towards a C# certificate.[04:33:38] <ddew|bofh> could be legit[04:33:43] <JonathanThompson> Could be...[04:33:51] <JonathanThompson> But, it's all so grey and odd.[04:33:57] <ddew|bofh> hard to imagine why someone would look for an internship at a sinking ship though[04:34:08] <JonathanThompson> Any port in a storm ;)[04:34:19] <JonathanThompson> (or even whirlpool!)[04:34:36] <ddew|bofh> well yhoo is going down the crapper with amazing speed, even compared to other techjobs[04:34:38] <ddew|bofh> :)[04:34:44] <JonathanThompson> :P[04:34:47] <ddew|bofh> s/techjobs/techfirms/[04:35:11] <ddew|bofh> if the yhoo/googl antitrust case goes to court there'll be hell to pay[04:35:36] <JonathanThompson> Personally, I think a lot of damage has already been done, regardless of which way things go for that.[04:36:02] <JonathanThompson> My thoughts are that the only reason it was a resounding success for that short trial is that nobody knew what was going on until it was overwith.[04:36:38] <JonathanThompson> And that in reality, it does NOT reflect long-term planned results that'll happen when people know it will be done that way.[04:37:13] <ddew|bofh> still, it's a tricky path to walk[04:37:51] <ddew|bofh> they're not as targeted as MS but someone somewhere will find reasons to be upset and file a complaint somewhere[04:38:17] <JonathanThompson> I brought up in the QA meeting addressing results of a survey about perceived issues, and I mentioned that the whole Google thing reeks of a big vote of no-confidence in Yahoo!'s internal tech or employees, and if nothing else, that's what outsiders will see it as.[04:38:20] <ddew|bofh> and by the looks of it bad PR is the last thing yahoo wants[04:38:39] <ddew|bofh> given all the layoffs etc[04:39:10] <JonathanThompson> I don't see it being realistic that I could hope to be there long enough for my stock options to ever even break even at the rate things are going.[04:39:30] <JonathanThompson> And that's even if I suddenly decided I liked QA work.[04:40:07] <JonathanThompson> I think I can safely say I've given it a try for a long enough time to know it's not for me.[04:40:30] <ddew|bofh> you should be a dev[04:40:34] <ddew|bofh> a proper dev i mean[04:40:40] <JonathanThompson> Agreed.[04:41:23] <ddew|bofh> can't vouch for your coding abilities but if they're half as plenty as your ideas you'll be set :)[04:42:47] <JonathanThompson> That's the whole thing: I'm not being allowed to be creative in a manner that's taking advantage of my past experience, or even anything interesting.[04:43:08] <JonathanThompson> And I fear my C++ knowledge is getting rusty in the process :([04:43:22] <ddew|bofh> do some haiku coding then :P[04:43:33] <ddew|bofh> that'll keep your mind working[04:51:47] *** cryptic has joined #haiku[04:51:48] *** aphedox has quit IRC[04:51:52] *** cryptic is now known as aphedox[04:54:33] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[05:19:47] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[05:37:05] *** thotypous has quit IRC[05:41:48] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[05:41:56] <Duggan> greetings all[05:43:28] *** RandomInsano has joined #haiku[05:44:13] <RandomInsano> Evening folks! (Evening here in Canada at least)[05:44:28] <Duggan> greetings[05:44:41] <RandomInsano> Hi[05:47:09] <Duggan> how are things?[05:47:56] <RandomInsano> Ah, things go well. I've been researching video driver development instead of studying these past few days. It's pretty interesting stuff.[05:48:14] <Duggan> hehe I'm sure it is, I wish I could work on driver development...[05:48:25] <Duggan> your major CS?[05:48:47] <RandomInsano> It's actually not nearly as hard as I'd imagined. That I am.[05:49:14] <Duggan> well if you can point me in the right direction maybe I could learn a thing or two myself..... I am as well[05:49:48] <RandomInsano> Ah. Actually, OGerald Zajac[05:49:55] <RandomInsano> I'm going to restart thjat[05:49:56] <Duggan> actually been talking to a friend about starting an OSD group... just come up with some fancy ideas, learn from other's mistakes and build an OS from scratch... it'd be a fun learning experience (completely academic however)[05:50:12] <Duggan> whats that?[05:50:46] <RandomInsano> Oh, I've been talking back and forth with Gerald Zajac who's working on the ATI Rage driver[05:50:57] <RandomInsano> He's given me a few links and reading stuffs.[05:50:57] <Duggan> ah ok[05:51:19] <RandomInsano> Have you taken any assembler programming classes?[05:51:20] <Duggan> I've been plagued by issue after issue preventing me from building haiku from source[05:51:27] *** DHowett1 has joined #haiku[05:51:35] <RandomInsano> Or more, anything that would have talked about low level hardware?[05:51:40] <Duggan> lol I got a D in 2001, retaking it this semester.... asm is cake, just didn't do my homework first time[05:51:59] <Duggan> the teacher today decided to show my last project off and she was wetting herself over how great it was[05:52:02] <RandomInsano> Well done. That's my problem as well[05:52:18] <RandomInsano> Well, less with women wetting themselves :P[05:52:27] <Duggan> lol[05:52:44] <Duggan> it probably would've been better if she called me into her office at least, no she had to go do it in front of the whole class...[05:52:59] <RandomInsano> There's a chapter in the BeBook about the video driver stuffs[05:53:13] <RandomInsano> I'll find the link somewheres[05:53:19] <Duggan> hmm maybe you could help me with something...[05:53:28] <Duggan> I have a question about graphics libraries...[05:53:29] <RandomInsano> I can try[05:53:38] <RandomInsano> Oh my... well this might be interesting[05:53:41] <RandomInsano> Ask away[05:53:43] <Duggan> lol[05:54:04] <Duggan> how exactly do they work... do they go through some api calls in the os, do they talk directly to the driver, how exactly does that all work?[05:55:30] <Duggan> I've been considering attempting to develop my own (for shits and giggles) but just wanting to learn more about how they work on a more fundamental level before I start[05:55:33] <RandomInsano> I can tell you that the driver identifies what card you have, the acclerant controls the hardware, and BeOS makes clones of the accelerant for applications that need it[05:55:57] <Duggan> is that generally how it works in all OSes?[05:56:01] <DHowett1> nah.[05:56:02] <DeadYak> the driver does a bit more than just identify it :)[05:56:04] <DeadYak> and no[05:56:06] <RandomInsano> I don't know.[05:56:29] <RandomInsano> Yes, I've been reading about that. The driver also handles kernel level functions[05:56:48] <Duggan> I wish I knew where you guys find documents to read about that sort of crap lol[05:57:00] <RandomInsano> People hand them to me :P[05:57:10] <DeadYak> in our case the driver also sets up the card including things like the memory mapped registers and such that the accelerant'll need to manipulate to do its work[05:57:41] <DeadYak> the accelerant does most of the real work using that, including things like mode switching and blitting[05:58:03] <DeadYak> (and overlay)[05:58:11] <Duggan> can you guys provide or recommend documents for all that sort of stuff? (and for driver development? lol)[05:58:24] <RandomInsano> General or Haiku specific?[05:58:33] <Duggan> both[05:58:50] <RandomInsano> I'm afraid I'm just learning myself :([05:58:57] <Duggan> I want to learn enough to do it anywhere, but I'd love to focus on Haiku.... I'vebeen trying forever to be of some help to the project but I cant even build the source lol[05:59:05] <RandomInsano> http://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/DeviceDrivers.html[05:59:27] <RandomInsano> Also, the Haiku site has some documents[06:00:00] <RandomInsano> http://www.haiku-os.org/documents/dev/driver_development[06:00:08] <RandomInsano> Kind of sparse there though[06:00:15] <Duggan> I thought the driver interfaces changed or something like that[06:00:32] <RandomInsano> Perhaps they did. DeadYak, confirm?[06:01:28] <Duggan> something changed about the interface if I remember correctly in Haiku from the legacy BeOS format...[06:02:26] <RandomInsano> I've only just started getting into the guts of the system lately. I've been more of an admirer up to this point.[06:02:51] <Duggan> I've been wanting to but I feel miserable as a programmer not even being able to build the source lol[06:03:20] <RandomInsano> Well, how is it failing and what environment are you using to build it?[06:03:34] <DeadYak> they did for some classes of devices, rght now that only applies to disk drivers mainly though[06:03:41] <DeadYak> right*[06:03:53] <DeadYak> eventually the plan is to use the new driver model for everything but that will take time[06:04:01] <Duggan> RandomInsano you really want the whole story? lol[06:04:19] <Duggan> DeadYak gotcha[06:04:28] <RandomInsano> You could briefen it up a tad[06:05:40] <Duggan> er, the first half dozen times I failed, it involved bad NICs and bad drivers for those NICs[06:06:03] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[06:06:08] <Duggan> then, I get a combo that works and get the source, run jam and CRASH..... not enough ram, turns out the machine I was trying on only had about 256 megs...[06:06:22] <Duggan> (this is before haiku had swap support)[06:06:35] <thotypous> hi[06:06:39] <Duggan> howdy[06:06:52] <RandomInsano> You could build on a different host. Like, Linux or as of late, OpenBSD[06:07:00] <thotypous> I'm using Mac OS X for the first time... and I feel like a lot of things were copied from BeOS :P[06:07:03] * DeadYak has been building on FreeBSD for ages[06:07:06] <Duggan> ok, so I take that HD out and put it in my main box (which is running XP, who's main drive letter is I, not C)[06:07:16] <DeadYak> thotypous: a bunch of the people that wrote BeOS initially were ex-Apple[06:07:35] <DeadYak> (and some of them went back after Be went under)[06:07:40] <Duggan> well that changed the drive configuration which gave XP the idea that it needed to reletter the drives, which meant I couldn't log in and try as I might I couldn't fix it[06:07:45] <thotypous> :P[06:07:59] <thotypous> anyway, I feel BeOS/Haiku more organized[06:08:20] <thotypous> I found it very difficult to manage that multitude of windows in OSX[06:08:31] <thotypous> lots and lots of windows[06:08:32] <DeadYak> thotypous: Expose handles large window counts pretty well[06:09:02] <thotypous> there are too much windows, this is gonna blow up my mind :P[06:09:12] <Duggan> ok, so I get this laptop some months later, it has Vista which I've despised until I noticed you could dynamically resize NTFS partitions with it.... way cool, Vista's stock raised in my book (I have to give it some credit, it isn't THAT bad)[06:09:14] <DeadYak> thotypous: f10, f11, f12 iirc[06:09:33] <thotypous> heheh[06:09:45] <DeadYak> Duggan: dynamic NTFS resize has been possible since long before Vista[06:09:51] <Duggan> throw haiku on here, and I now suffer from many issues.... bad video card support, kernel crash on boot (both of which I can work around)[06:09:55] <DeadYak> just can't do it to whatever partition you booted from[06:10:04] <Duggan> DeadYak yeah but that doesn't mean I'd trust any "free" software that did it[06:10:25] <DeadYak> Duggan: um....how about the stuff that comes with the OS?[06:10:36] <Duggan> DeadYak anyway, microsoft included it like they expect you to actually install some other OS on the same machine.... its almost like they're getting a clue[06:10:42] <thotypous> F9 is good[06:10:53] <Duggan> DeadYak I never came across any utilities that did that before[06:10:57] <DeadYak> you were able to do that with the disk management tools in XP as well[06:11:02] <DeadYak> they're just fairly well hidden[06:11:06] <thotypous> but the BeOS' right-click in the title bar is missing :P[06:11:26] <Duggan> anyway, RandomInsano, one major issues no wireless support which this campus only has wireless.... except in the computer labs[06:11:38] <RandomInsano> Ah, so you be doomed[06:11:48] <RandomInsano> Build Haiku on Linux or somesuch[06:11:51] <Duggan> I have permission to hook up to the routers but the driver for my NIC is VERY unstable with my particular NIC[06:11:58] <RandomInsano> It's a steep learning curve perhaps[06:12:11] <Duggan> I've been trying over a year just to build the source and I have yet to succeed once[06:12:15] <RandomInsano> And not as good as Haiku :P[06:12:48] <Duggan> I tried a few minutes ago to wget svn from haiku-os.org inside VMWare and it doesn't work either, dunno if its some misconfiguration or what[06:12:53] <RandomInsano> Well, Ubuntu can install into your NTFS partition to give you a permanent development envirnoment, you should be able to build and develop Haiku on there[06:13:11] <DeadYak> Duggan: you have VMWare set up in bridge or NAT mode? and what nic?[06:13:27] <Duggan> oh yeah, I tried cross compiling from xp using cygwin, except managed directory support in cygwin sucks and is required to build the haiku source... no go there either[06:13:27] <RandomInsano> Get the developement image from Haikuware. Just a sec, I'll link[06:13:44] <Duggan> this NIC is an rtl8101e...[06:13:53] <Duggan> set up in VMWare as.... checking...[06:14:10] <RandomInsano> Look here: http://www.haikuware.com/view-details/development/miscellaneous/senryu-developer-edition-vmware-image[06:14:15] <RandomInsano> If you want to use VMWare[06:14:22] *** thotypous has quit IRC[06:14:44] * DeadYak doesn't tend to like how much random crap senryu is stuffed with[06:14:56] <Duggan> bridged....[06:14:57] <RandomInsano> The build environment?[06:14:57] <DHowett1> Yeah...[06:15:02] <DeadYak> Duggan: there's your problem[06:15:02] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[06:15:09] <DeadYak> Duggan: set it for NAT[06:15:15] <DeadYak> and preferably e1000[06:15:16] <Duggan> alright, thanx[06:15:23] <Duggan> I believe its the e1000, whatever the default is[06:15:35] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[06:16:08] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[06:16:30] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[06:16:37] <Duggan> somebody with an intel video card in an HP pavilion dv6000 should look into the flicker issue if possible[06:16:42] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[06:16:46] <Duggan> I'd open a ticket but I'm too chicken/lazy[06:17:05] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[06:17:12] <DeadYak> problem's less likely to be fixed if there's no ticket noting it exists[06:17:56] <CIA-60> laplace * r28275 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/print/drivers/pdf/source/Cache.cpp: Fixed wrong condition in assertion.[06:18:08] <Duggan> yeah well...[06:18:31] <Duggan> I THOUGHT the issue was related to the one that they said was fixed (don't remember the number right off) but since the fixed it, it still happens so...[06:18:32] <Duggan> lol[06:19:43] <DeadYak> all the more reason to file a ticket :)[06:20:04] <Duggan> I'm hoping one day to actually be able to help fix this tsuff[06:20:05] <Duggan> stuff[06:20:11] <Duggan> stupid laptop keyboards...[06:20:41] *** DHowett1 has left #haiku[06:20:42] <RandomInsano> Stupid ancient OpenBSD. I need SVN![06:21:24] <DeadYak> pkgsrc or whatever it is OpenBSD uses for ports doesn't have it?[06:21:52] <RandomInsano> This ports tree is way out of date and they've removed 3.6 files from the servers[06:22:02] <DeadYak> why're you using that old a rev?[06:22:23] <RandomInsano> Well, it's on my home server[06:22:33] <RandomInsano> I don't upgrade in fear of breaking my internets![06:22:45] <DeadYak> that doesn't seem like the most prudent policy :)[06:23:06] <DeadYak> at least not if you want to be able to do anything else with it[06:23:08] <Duggan> every computer I've attempted to put Haiku on so I can try to build it, I put it in two partitions, one to use, the other to test[06:23:48] <RandomInsano> Well, it has Samba and pf set up just so. If pf and squid config files haven't changed then I may upgrade[06:24:12] <RandomInsano> I should just ghost the drive and see what happens if I do upgrade[06:24:31] <Duggan> gotta run for a few, thanks for t he help guys, I'll be back in 30 minutes or so I hope[06:24:41] <RandomInsano> Later Duggan[06:24:44] <DeadYak> good luck[06:24:48] <Duggan> thanks guys[06:25:11] *** thotypous has quit IRC[06:25:24] *** luroh has joined #haiku[06:25:30] <DeadYak> morning luroh[06:25:38] <luroh> heya DeadYak[06:25:49] *** Duggan has quit IRC[06:26:03] <luroh> (6:28 pm here actually)[06:26:11] <DeadYak> I thought you were in Sweden?[06:26:34] <luroh> i was, but i'm in hawaii currently[06:26:37] <DeadYak> ahhh.[06:26:39] <DeadYak> vacation?[06:26:46] <luroh> no, business[06:26:49] <DeadYak> oh[06:26:51] <DeadYak> which island?[06:26:59] <luroh> kauai[06:27:04] <DeadYak> ah nice :)[06:27:29] <luroh> yeah, took a drive today through the western part of the island[06:27:40] <luroh> it's bigger than i thought[06:35:24] *** RandomInsano has quit IRC[06:42:34] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[06:44:56] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[06:49:54] *** luroh has left #haiku[07:02:07] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[07:02:23] <Duggan> greetings again, all[07:06:55] <umccullough> Duggan, i have resized NTFS using gparted quite a few times with no issue[07:07:02] <umccullough> free software *does* work, even if you don't trust it ;)[07:08:30] <Duggan> hehe hey umccullough[07:08:32] <Duggan> hows life?[07:08:43] <Duggan> btw grats on the badass of the month award[07:12:54] <umccullough> heh, thx[07:13:09] <umccullough> been busy[07:13:17] <Duggan> same here[07:13:27] <Duggan> school's been fun but definitely keeping me on my toes[07:14:31] *** k-os has quit IRC[07:27:22] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[07:27:45] <Begasus> moin[07:30:58] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[07:31:54] <Begasus> Kokito, ![07:33:22] <Kokito> hey Begasus :)[07:33:28] <Kokito> how is it going?[07:33:38] <Begasus> not to bad here thnx[07:33:45] <Begasus> how 'bout yourself?[07:33:53] <Begasus> haven't seen you around for a while ;)[07:34:34] <Kokito> yeah, have been detoxing for a while :P[07:34:54] <Begasus> think I need to do some time also ^^[07:36:27] <Gareth> ahoy[07:36:42] <Begasus> hi Gareth[07:37:16] <Gareth> howdy :)[07:37:25] <Duggan> hey guys...got a stupid question if I may...[07:37:37] <umccullough> enlighten us[07:37:45] <Begasus> aloha umccullough ;)[07:37:45] <Duggan> anybody know of a quick and easy way to transfer files in and out of vmware images?[07:37:56] <Begasus> gmail?[07:37:57] <umccullough> wget?[07:37:59] <umccullough> ftp?[07:38:13] <Begasus> see ... that's already 3 ;)[07:38:23] <umccullough> create an iso and mount it as a virtual cd[07:38:27] <Duggan> hmm I guess lol was hoping to keep it local[07:38:28] <umccullough> (for getting files in)[07:38:41] <Duggan> getting files out however...[07:38:45] <umccullough> ftp[07:38:56] <Kokito> hiho Gareth[07:39:16] <Duggan> can I run an ftp server local and connect to it through vmware?[07:39:22] <umccullough> yeah[07:39:31] <Gareth> Kokito: hey :) couldnt stay away, huh?[07:39:32] <Duggan> ok cool, thanx[07:39:35] <umccullough> i've got an ftp server here on my network that i connect to[07:40:02] <Duggan> well I mean on the same box.... I kinda don't (and am not supposed to) have "my own" network[07:40:07] <umccullough> sure, why not[07:40:12] <Kokito> just hanging out while wife watches silly program on Japan TV :)[07:40:29] <Gareth> heh[07:40:57] *** adb has joined #haiku[07:41:46] <Duggan> ok, how to resize a vmware image? lol[07:42:00] * Kokito only likes documentaries, sumo and the news from TV Japan. the rest is pretty crappy.[07:42:08] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[07:42:17] <umccullough> Duggan, with bfs on it? you don't[07:42:27] <Duggan> create a new one?[07:42:31] <umccullough> yeah[07:42:36] <Duggan> how? lol[07:43:10] <umccullough> vmware server allows you to create vmdk files[07:43:16] <umccullough> otherwise, you can use qemu-img[07:43:19] <Kokito> Duggan, a FAT formatted USB stick should do the trick[07:43:32] <umccullough> oh yeah, USB through vmware - another good option :D[07:44:16] <Kokito> if you want to preserve the BFS attributes, you can just ZIP the files first[07:44:29] <umccullough> Duggan, there are plenty of *FREE SOFTWARE* tools for managing vmdk files ;)[07:44:41] <Duggan> yeah just reading about using qemu[07:45:00] <umccullough> qemu-img works well, i used to use that to convert raw images to vmdk before haiku's build system did it for us[07:45:27] <umccullough> it actually makes better vmdk files too...it doesn't make them the full size, they grow as needed[07:45:52] <Duggan> just got haiku running in virtualbox again thanks to qemu... wonder if it might be the better of the two (vmware and virtualbox)[07:46:24] <DHowett> You.. got it working in vbox using qemu?[07:46:29] <DHowett> Why not just.. use qemu?[07:46:32] <Duggan> yep[07:46:52] <Duggan> because qemu is slow as hell and I don't know how to turn the optimization on lol[07:47:00] <DHowett> Ah.[07:47:01] <DHowett> :P[07:47:11] <NeonLicht> Virtualbox is qemu, it's a graphical wrapp around it[07:47:46] <DHowett> That can't be true, as Haiku never used to work in vbox without KVM and it's always worked in qemu...[07:47:52] <umccullough> kqemu is easy[07:47:57] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[07:47:58] <umccullough> Duggan, you on windows?[07:48:38] <DHowett> NeonLicht: [citation needed][07:48:45] <Duggan> yes[07:48:50] *** daste has quit IRC[07:48:54] <umccullough> vbox did start out from qemu, last i heard[07:49:00] <DHowett> Ah. Pff.[07:49:04] <umccullough> probably deviated code quite a bit since then ;)[07:49:31] <umccullough> "VirtualBox's recompiler is based on the free and open-source QEMU."[07:49:35] <umccullough> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtualbox[07:49:39] <umccullough> there's your citation :D[07:49:41] <DHowett> "VirtualBox's recompiler is based on the free and open-source QEMU."[07:49:42] <DHowett> yep[07:49:48] <Duggan> no no what am I saying, I didn't use qemu at all... lol[07:49:50] <NeonLicht> DHowett: http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/10/18/ssup5sup-10/[07:49:51] <DHowett> that's all though. The rest isn't. :P[07:50:04] <Duggan> virtualbox has its own damn utility to convert raw images to vdi's ...[07:50:06] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[07:50:08] <NeonLicht> DHowett: http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=es-ES&q=Virtualbox+based+qemu&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8[07:50:21] <Duggan> I remember having taken that road some months back and forgot about what I did a few minutes ago....[07:51:27] <DHowett> I shall now pipe down.[07:51:27] <DHowett> :P[07:51:30] <DHowett> | down[07:53:06] <Kokito> time to shut down here. good night folks[07:53:08] <NeonLicht> I find Haiku (as many other OSs) running very nicely (fast) on qemu[07:53:13] <Duggan> g'night[07:53:46] <NeonLicht> night Kokito, here is 7:54... almost starting the day :-)[07:53:48] *** Kokito has quit IRC[07:53:48] <Begasus> g'night Kokito ![08:05:47] <Duggan> awesome, making some progress[08:06:03] <Duggan> got my new image and now copying haiku over to it[08:06:17] <DHowett> I could have sworn you just said something about cyborgs.[08:06:33] <Duggan> no, I wish I did though[08:08:03] <DHowett> :)[08:09:01] *** sprma has joined #haiku[08:14:03] <Duggan> alrighty, got haiku in a 10gig vmdk and downloading the repo again[08:14:29] <NeonLicht> what's the repo?[08:14:30] <Duggan> thanks for your help guys, I really appreciate it[08:14:36] <Duggan> the haiku source[08:14:56] <NeonLicht> ah, ok :)[08:25:06] <umccullough> 2[08:25:09] <umccullough> damn[08:26:35] <Duggan> whats up?[08:26:49] <umccullough> my fingers don't do what they should[08:27:09] <Duggan> lol[08:27:11] <Duggan> gotcha[08:43:15] *** hdana1 has quit IRC[08:44:04] *** DHowett has left #haiku[08:48:54] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[09:04:25] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[09:05:41] *** markos__ has joined #haiku[09:17:16] *** markos_ has quit IRC[09:27:24] *** AndrevS has quit IRC[09:41:04] *** Duggan has quit IRC[09:59:18] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[10:01:51] *** Megaf has quit IRC[10:07:03] *** leszek_fh has joined #haiku[10:07:18] <leszek_fh> morgen[10:08:20] <Begasus> moin[10:08:31] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[10:08:54] <DHowett> It's all so weird and.. dark.[10:12:19] <Monni> turn the lights on then ;)[10:12:54] <DHowett> Monni :)[10:13:03] <Monni> that's my cat ;)[10:13:09] <DHowett> hehe[10:14:17] <DHowett> I need to find a place to put a clock on this desktop (i just typed clock 3 times and inserted at least one random b in it. wtf?).. it doesn't like being thrown into a vertical panel, but that's really my only opton[10:14:24] <DHowett> Unless I put it on an autohide shelf.. ew.[10:18:04] <DHowett> I suppose that works. A click in the bottom right corner shows me a clock which is cleverly hidden.[10:18:07] <DHowett> It still feels clunky.[10:19:03] <Monni> I always have a clock visible...[10:19:35] <DHowett> I feel the need to and I feel that i'm making a mistake by hiding it in a panel[10:19:50] <DHowett> but there's no real other way I can do it without permanently covering a program with it :P[10:20:12] <Monni> just make it transparent ;)[10:20:28] <DHowett> hmm...[10:20:54] <Monni> I usually put transparent stuff on empty spots on application title bars...[10:21:50] <DHowett> Hey, good idea. Stick it across the top of the screen somewhere and make it transparent.[10:21:51] <DHowett> Thanks! :P[10:21:56] <Monni> np[10:23:42] <Monni> a few apps use that trick and when you hover over them, they fade between transparent and non-transparent background...[10:24:05] <DHowett> *nods*[10:24:15] *** DHowett has quit IRC[10:24:30] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[10:24:36] *** DHowett has left #haiku[10:24:40] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[10:31:42] *** sprma has quit IRC[10:38:56] <DHowett> http://dustin.howett.net/dh_desktop1.png[10:38:56] <DHowett> :)[10:40:59] <Monni> that's a lot of blurring ;)[10:43:44] <DHowett> :-P[10:44:15] <Monni> my inbox is always clean and empty... nothing to hide ;)[10:44:43] <DHowett> It would take more effort to clean that bloody thing than it would to.. I don't know, take over Kazahkstan or something.[10:44:43] <DHowett> :P[10:45:11] <DHowett> on that note, time to pick up on my world domination plans[10:45:11] <DHowett> :P[10:45:27] <Monni> Thunderbird does it automatically for me ;)[10:45:59] <DHowett> pff, you and your fancy non-browser e-mail clients[10:45:59] <DHowett> hehe[10:46:20] <Monni> works with gmail just fine... also with aol mail and hotmail[10:46:31] <DHowett> wait, hotmail?[10:46:35] <Monni> yup[10:46:53] <DHowett> Via hotwayd or does hotmail actually provide some form of external access.. or are you a premium user[10:47:21] <Monni> hotmail plugin for webmail gateway... comes as Thunderbird extension[10:47:27] <DHowett> ah, nice![10:49:47] <Monni> http://webmail.mozdev.org/installation.html[10:50:03] <DHowett> :)[11:01:17] <CIA-60> aldeck * r28276 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/tracker/Tracker.cpp:[11:01:17] <CIA-60> * Do the locking and lock check in an outer 'if', the window could be left[11:01:17] <CIA-60> unlocked if the whole condition wasn't true. Thanks stippi![11:03:39] <CIA-60> axeld * r28277 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/input/PathList.cpp:[11:03:39] <CIA-60> * The ref_count member should definitely be initialized - thanks Stefano![11:03:39] <CIA-60> * This might fix bug #2894.[11:18:05] *** Stefan100 has joined #haiku[11:18:46] <DHowett> 'night[11:18:47] *** DHowett has left #haiku[11:22:23] *** leszek_fh has quit IRC[11:46:55] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[11:55:47] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[11:55:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[11:58:21] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[11:58:29] <brobostigon> good morning[11:59:22] *** Begasus has quit IRC[11:59:32] *** aldeck has joined #Haiku[12:00:56] <brobostigon> can i use grub to start zeta 1.21 insted of bootman, is that possible,?[12:02:12] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[12:05:30] <mmu_man> lol http://www.gobe.com/cgi-bin/sendmail.cgi not found on this server[12:05:37] <mmu_man> WTF have a contact page when it doesn't work[12:05:38] <mmu_man> ???[12:06:27] <brobostigon> mmu_man: can i use grub to start zeta insted of bootman?[12:06:34] <mmu_man> yes[12:06:40] <mmu_man> and HAiku[12:06:49] <mmu_man> just boot them as a DOS partition (chainloader IIRC)[12:06:54] <brobostigon> mmu_man: any special parameters for grub needed?[12:07:03] <mmu_man> as long as the partition has been makebootable-ed it will work[12:07:12] <mmu_man> no[12:07:19] <mmu_man> our own bootloader will take over there[12:07:24] <brobostigon> excellant, thank you mmu_man[12:09:16] <mmu_man> ahh, finally found a mail on http://www.gobe.com/offices.html[12:09:32] <brobostigon> yay mmu_man[12:09:49] <brobostigon> why do you want to get hold of gobe?[12:09:55] <brobostigon> what for?[12:15:00] <brobostigon> i ask because i have haiku building from linux onto a normal partition, but i want to try and build haiku under zeta,[12:17:24] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[12:18:30] <mmu_man> I just wanted to complain their website is buggy (flash)[12:20:43] <brobostigon> ah[12:21:25] <CIA-60> axeld * r28278 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/debug/debug.cpp:[12:21:25] <CIA-60> * Applied patch by Adrian Panasiuk (Adek336) to fix the syslog output to insert[12:21:25] <CIA-60> the <DROP> marker at the place data was dropped, not somewhere else. See[12:21:25] <CIA-60> ticket #156; this might already fix this bug.[12:21:26] <CIA-60> * Minor cleanup.[12:24:14] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[12:28:53] <CIA-60> axeld * r28279 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/debug/debug.cpp: * Cleanup.[12:31:31] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[12:34:13] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[12:34:53] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku[12:36:42] *** sprma has joined #haiku[12:37:30] *** mats has joined #haiku[12:37:38] *** BGA has joined #haiku[12:37:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[12:39:28] <mmu_man> plop[12:40:31] <CIA-60> axeld * r28280 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[12:40:31] <CIA-60> * Added a new kernel setting "syslog_buffer_size" to change the size of the[12:40:31] <CIA-60> internal syslog ring buffer.[12:44:35] <mmu_man> wtf freshmeat.net is slow[12:51:49] <mmu_man> hmm[12:51:50] <mmu_man> http://freshmeat.net/releases/287029/[13:03:44] *** sprma_ has joined #haiku[13:13:41] *** sprma has quit IRC[13:20:08] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[13:21:28] *** Euver has joined #haiku[13:24:28] *** rdmr has quit IRC[13:34:09] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[13:44:32] *** cherrylap has joined #haiku[13:48:03] *** ThomasShirley_ has joined #haiku[13:50:26] <CIA-60> axeld * r28281 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs):[13:50:26] <CIA-60> * Added a new window feel kPasswordWindowFeel that is above all other feels.[13:50:26] <CIA-60> * Changed the password window to use this feel.[13:50:26] <CIA-60> * Later, the screen saver itself should use this feel whenever the password[13:50:27] <CIA-60> mode is enabled. The password window should then use a modal-app feel, but[13:50:29] <CIA-60> this doesn't work yet.[13:51:11] *** Euver has quit IRC[14:01:48] <CIA-60> axeld * r28282 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ (Desktop.cpp Desktop.h):[14:01:49] <CIA-60> * Added the BeOS feature that Command-~ (with American keymap) will switch[14:01:49] <CIA-60> workspaces between this and the previous one.[14:01:49] <CIA-60> * Note that this is mapped to a specific key on the keyboard (key 17), so[14:01:49] <CIA-60> it will differ with the keymap, but will usually be the key below the escape[14:01:53] <CIA-60> key.[14:01:55] <CIA-60> * This closes ticket #2766.[14:03:53] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[14:04:02] *** Animal-X has joined #haiku[14:06:31] *** judgen has joined #haiku[14:07:23] <judgen> hehe a swedish site is selling an almost complete upgrade kit for Amiga 1200 now.[14:07:36] <judgen> only need the mainboard itself.[14:07:59] <judgen> oh helf isnt here.[14:13:29] *** slaad has joined #haiku[14:14:27] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[14:14:32] *** brobostigon has left #haiku[14:23:32] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[14:29:06] *** ThomasShirley_ is now known as ThomasShirley[14:32:39] <adb> judgen: this ones ? http://www.sam440.com/eng/summerfollies.html[14:35:39] *** slaad has quit IRC[14:36:04] <mmu_man> damn, bebits still wo'nt log me in as user :-([14:43:54] *** rdmr has quit IRC[14:59:56] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[15:02:09] *** helf has joined #haiku[15:02:11] <helf> ...[15:02:35] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[15:06:55] *** paul0 has quit IRC[15:07:05] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[15:10:01] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[15:12:46] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[15:13:47] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[15:20:31] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[15:29:56] *** stippi has joined #haiku[15:29:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[15:30:52] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[15:37:29] <helf> morning, DeadYak[15:37:51] <DeadYak> hiya[15:38:27] <mmu_man> plop[15:39:19] * DeadYak plops mmu_man[15:39:41] *** stippi has quit IRC[15:45:14] <mmu_man> * This file is dual licensed; you can use it under the terms of[15:45:15] <mmu_man> * either the GPL, or the BSD license, at your option.[15:45:34] <mmu_man> seems they changed their mind on the public API in u-boot \o/[15:45:35] <mmu_man> great[15:46:25] <Monni> is that for booting underwater ;)?[15:46:53] <mmu_man> yeah :p[15:47:04] <DeadYak> haha[15:47:04] <Teknomancer> hehe[15:49:00] <Monni> u-boot is German abbreviation for submarine ;)[15:49:10] <Teknomancer> uboat[15:49:33] <mmu_man> it's also a bootloader for embedded hw[15:49:50] <Monni> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Boot#German[15:50:29] <mmu_man> yes we know that :p[15:50:48] <Monni> Jawohl...[15:51:23] *** miqlas_ has quit IRC[15:52:14] <mmu_man> genau[15:52:33] <mmu_man> hmm the public api doesn't seem to be available in the 1.3.1 that is in the sam board :'([15:53:29] <CIA-60> anevilyak * r28283 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/expander/ (ExpanderWindow.cpp ExpanderWindow.h):[15:53:29] <CIA-60> Factor out a ValidateDest() function that checks if the destination is valid[15:53:29] <CIA-60> and throws up a BAlert if not. Reuse this when the user clicks expand to check[15:53:29] <CIA-60> for and grab the destination path. This fixes the problem that if the user[15:53:32] <CIA-60> manually types in or pastes a destination path and then immediately clicks[15:53:34] <CIA-60> Expand, the actual destination path used is never updated. Thanks to Daniel[15:53:36] <CIA-60> Teixeira for reporting.[15:56:44] <judgen> adb, no the upgrade kit was for the amiga 1200[15:56:59] <judgen> well im off for some food[15:57:04] *** judgen has quit IRC[16:09:31] *** mindchld2 has joined #haiku[16:21:21] *** MindChild has quit IRC[16:26:14] *** mindchld2 is now known as MindChild[16:28:23] *** leszek has joined #haiku[16:28:40] <leszek> re[16:30:33] *** boh666 has joined #haiku[16:36:58] *** boh666 has quit IRC[16:42:44] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28284 /haiku/trunk/headers/private/kernel/util/SinglyLinkedList.h: Added MoveFrom().[16:45:18] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28285 /haiku/trunk/ (headers/private/kernel/heap.h src/system/kernel/heap.cpp):[16:45:18] <CIA-60> * Use a singly linked list for the deferred free entries.[16:45:18] <CIA-60> * Added deferred_delete() that takes a DeferredDeletable and deletes it[16:45:18] <CIA-60> asynchronously.[16:48:18] *** hdanak has quit IRC[16:54:31] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28286 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/debug/debug.cpp:[16:54:31] <CIA-60> Added boolean "syslogOutput" parameter to flush_pending_repeats() so[16:54:31] <CIA-60> that dprintf_no_syslog() can avoid sending something to the syslog.[16:57:57] *** SunWuKung|away has joined #haiku[17:11:34] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28287 /haiku/trunk/ (6 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)[17:11:34] <CIA-60> When switching to a kernel thread we no longer set the page directory.[17:11:34] <CIA-60> This is not necessary, since userland teams' page directories also[17:11:34] <CIA-60> contain the kernel mappings, and avoids unnecessary TLB flushes. To make[17:11:36] <CIA-60> that possible the vm_translation_map_arch_info objects are reference[17:11:38] <CIA-60> counted now.[17:11:40] <CIA-60> This optimization reduces the kernel time of the Haiku build on my[17:12:44] <mmu_man> \o/[17:13:49] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[17:14:35] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[17:14:49] <Duggan> greetings all[17:16:43] <miqlas> Hello![17:17:17] <miqlas> I can't setup the MDR to get my emails from gmail in Haiku :( Then i use beam! ;)[17:17:33] <miqlas> I can't set the SSL encryption in MDR.[17:17:59] <DeadYak> do you have OpenSSL installed?[17:18:15] <miqlas> Yeah. I installed it from haiku-files optional packages.[17:18:40] <miqlas> Maybe i need restart the mdr.[17:18:58] <miqlas> I can select only Plain Text, and APOP.[17:19:01] <Monni> might need recompiling MDR if it is not enabled build-time...[17:19:13] <miqlas> Maybe.[17:19:29] <Monni> afaik it needs to link to the libraries when building...[17:19:31] <miqlas> But it works correctly with Beam. Imap :)[17:19:52] <miqlas> I have 5252 mail... Downloading...[17:20:03] <Monni> you need a few more then ;)[17:20:12] <miqlas> All of them readed mail,. I don't know, why the beam want download all of them.[17:20:34] <miqlas> Mails: 4948 of 5252....[17:20:38] <Monni> it does full download if there is no record of previous check ;)[17:21:03] <miqlas> Ahh...Stupid Beam. I need only the new mails.[17:21:27] <Monni> I remember when at school it took 6 hours to download all mail... and that was on T1 ;)[17:21:31] <miqlas> Can i mount my dvd discs?[17:21:42] <miqlas> 5040/5252![17:22:05] <miqlas> Wow! 1mb/s for the mails....[17:22:12] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:22:12] <DeadYak> I've been having issues with mounting CDs lately...[17:22:25] <miqlas> I cecked it in the activity monitor :)[17:22:34] <tqh> hi[17:22:34] <miqlas> 5200![17:22:41] <miqlas> Hello tqh.[17:22:50] <Monni> mine still has problems trying to finding non-existant controller drivers :)[17:23:27] <miqlas> I was have an old Haiku installation on my HDD. I put the new image to my flashdrive, booted from it, and i try to replace the old files. but i get KDL...[17:23:48] <Duggan> where the hell is the bootscript lol[17:23:58] <DeadYak> easy, /system/boot[17:24:00] <Monni> mine starts booting primary boot partition but doesn't find partition boot record :)[17:24:01] <miqlas> Then i restarted, initialize my hdd, the i copy the files. Now working,[17:24:06] <Duggan> trying to configure jam, intall note says some crap about adding a line to the bootscript[17:24:09] <Duggan> DeadYak thanx[17:25:03] <miqlas> Mail download complete :)[17:25:15] <Duggan> wait, there's no /system directory...[17:25:16] <Duggan> lol[17:25:51] <DeadYak> Duggan: oh, you meant in the source tree[17:26:00] <Duggan> er no[17:26:10] <Duggan> I got jam, trying to set it up[17:26:22] <DeadYak> then yes, /system exists, though you won't see it from Tracker[17:26:23] <Duggan> theres a text file in it called "INSTALL" it says to add some line to the "userbootscript"[17:26:36] <DeadYak> UserBootscript = /boot/home/config/boot/UserBootscript[17:26:42] <Duggan> ah ok thanx[17:26:43] <mmu_man> /system should be a symlink to /boot/beos/system[17:27:18] <Duggan> erm no boot directory under config...[17:27:52] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[17:28:16] <Duggan> ok, its /boot/beos/system/boot/Bootscript[17:28:19] <DeadYak> uh[17:28:21] <DeadYak> don't touch that one[17:28:25] <Duggan> ok lol[17:28:36] <DeadYak> just create the boot subdir in config if it doesn't exist[17:28:53] <Duggan> ok, can you just give me instructions on how to set up jam? lol[17:29:06] <DeadYak> um[17:29:11] <DeadYak> copy to ~/config/bin, done?[17:29:17] <DeadYak> I dunno why it's telling you to add something to bootscript[17:30:01] *** boh666 has joined #haiku[17:30:40] <Duggan> if I try to run jam, I get an "Operation not allowed" error btw[17:31:46] <BGA> R5's jam will want to install pipefs and the Cache Server[17:32:01] <BGA> That's probably why it is asking to add stuff to UserBootScript[17:32:13] <Duggan> well I'm a little iffy on what version of gcc to use IN haiku lol[17:32:30] <DeadYak> the one that the build system installs via OptionalPackages[17:32:37] <DeadYak> BGA: ah, forgot about that one[17:33:05] <Duggan> ok do I need to do that then and can somebody describe the location of that UserBootScript file?[17:36:12] <tqh> it's at /boot/home/config/boot/UserBootscript if it exists.[17:36:57] <Duggan> it doesn't... just create it?[17:37:14] <Duggan> the /boot/home/config/boot directory doesn't exist[17:37:22] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[17:37:28] <DeadYak> that's one of those things we need to set up for Alpha / final release, UserBootscript isn't required to exist though no[17:37:31] <DeadYak> it's just parsed if present[17:37:52] *** [1]umccullough has joined #haiku[17:37:59] <Duggan> ah ok.. and its expected to be at that location?[17:38:03] <DeadYak> yes.[17:38:10] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[17:38:25] *** Animal-X is now known as Animal-X_aWay[17:38:29] *** umccullough has quit IRC[17:38:30] <Duggan> ok thanx... will add it when I get to sit back down lol[17:38:32] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[17:38:33] *** [1]umccullough is now known as umccullough[17:38:39] <Duggan> wb umccullough[17:38:43] <DeadYak> you shouldn't be using the r5/bebits version of jam on Haiku anyhow though[17:38:47] <umccullough> thx[17:38:50] <umccullough> stupid connection[17:38:50] <Duggan> np[17:39:15] <Duggan> DeadYak thats whats linked on the haiku website[17:39:28] <tqh> If Ingo keeps optimizing stuff I'm afraid it will be hard to see the boot logo.[17:39:32] <DeadYak> *if* you're building on R5 ....[17:39:38] <Duggan> lol tqh[17:40:00] <Duggan> one sec[17:40:04] <tqh> on crt's it probably already is at first boot.[17:40:44] <Duggan> there is no other version of jam listed for building haiku inside haiku[17:40:50] <Duggan> it just says BeOS R5 "and later"[17:41:12] <Duggan> which I (and most other readers) would assume most likely includes Zeta and Haiku as well[17:41:13] <DeadYak> yes, because that's generally not an assumed scenario at this point[17:41:32] <DeadYak> and no it does not include Haiku for the specific reason that Haiku's POSIX support is very different and thus does not need the hacks that that version of jam does.[17:41:44] <Duggan> the average reader won't know that[17:41:59] <DeadYak> and the average reader will be downloading development tools?[17:42:27] <DeadYak> wget http://www.haiku-files.org/files/optional-packages/jam-haiku-gcc2-2008-03-27-1.zip and unzip to /boot[17:42:42] <Duggan> the average reader would be some joe looking at some new unstable OS that hasn't even reached alpha yet and NOT be a developer? lol[17:42:58] * DeadYak sighs[17:43:05] <DeadYak> ok, whatever, back to work[17:43:37] <Duggan> hehe ok thanx[17:44:13] <umccullough> i was thinking someone should put together a shell script that downloads and installs the dev tools from a "vanilla" haiku install[17:44:24] <Duggan> that would be nice[17:44:46] <umccullough> that way we could stop hearing about how people tried to install them on their own and failed[17:44:52] <tqh> generating scripts for all optional packages would be nice to download from inside Haiku IMO[17:45:00] <Duggan> butthen again maybe they wouldn't learn as much about the system in the process lol[17:45:20] *** ThomasShirley is now known as Thomas_away[17:45:28] <umccullough> Duggan, nobody does anyway, installing the dev tools is automated when you build an image with the optional "Development" package[17:45:38] <umccullough> which is what most people do anyway[17:45:45] <tqh> as long as I'm happy I'm happy :)[17:45:46] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[17:45:50] <Duggan> (note to self....)[17:47:17] <Duggan> speaking of build configurations, is there any comprehensive lists of those anywhere?[17:48:05] <umccullough> http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages[17:48:09] <umccullough> read the source[17:48:35] <umccullough> and this one is enlightening: http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/build/jam/UserBuildConfig.ReadMe[17:48:36] <Duggan> makes sense lol[17:48:43] <umccullough> everyone building their own configuration should read that readme first[17:49:10] <umccullough> and there's a sample UserBuildConfig to use as a template to start with[17:49:21] <Duggan> awesome, thanks[17:49:44] <umccullough> this stuff should be mentioned in a "getting started" guide too...but that guide is pretty well out of date[17:50:20] <Duggan> I'm learning... I'd be happy to help if I thought I knew enough about it[17:51:15] <miqlas> Where can i found infopopper for haiku?[17:51:34] <umccullough> i believe the R5 version runs on haiku...[17:51:35] <CIA-60> axeld * r28288 /haiku/trunk/ (Jamrules build/jam/ReleaseBuildProfiles):[17:51:35] <CIA-60> * Followed Ingo's suggestion, and put the alpha build profiles (for raw and[17:51:35] <CIA-60> vmdk images) into the new ReleaseBuildProfiles file.[17:51:50] <umccullough> miqlas, last time i used it, i had to build it from source :P[17:52:18] <umccullough> oh nice, a build profile for alpha :D[17:54:45] <miqlas> where?[17:54:52] <Duggan> I can't wait until I'm actually of *some* use to this project...[17:54:58] <miqlas> ah, yes, i see[17:55:00] <umccullough> miqlas, i think it's part of im kit?[17:55:16] <miqlas> Yeah, but it works with Vision too.[17:55:20] <umccullough> yep[17:55:33] <DeadYak> infopopper's its own service, but yeah it's part of im kit's source tree iirc[17:55:39] <miqlas> And i can't use imkit for msn, soo buggy. I use Vision+bitlbee for msn.[17:55:53] <umccullough> fun :P[17:56:01] * umccullough hasn't heard of bitlbee[17:56:02] <DeadYak> slaad's working on the MSN plugin now[17:56:10] <DeadYak> umccullough: bitlbee's an IRC -> chat gateway[17:56:15] <umccullough> i gathered ;)[17:56:20] <miqlas> umccullough, the bitlbee is an IM gateway for irc.[17:56:28] <umccullough> yes, i see :D[17:56:42] <umccullough> meebo?[17:56:51] <miqlas> Too slow with Firefox.[17:56:54] <umccullough> heh[17:57:04] <miqlas> Bitlbee the easy and be way :)[17:57:22] <miqlas> There is no jumping emoticons, and lot of gay thingies[17:57:56] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[17:58:18] <miqlas> I think the zeta have only 1 good improvements. The fastlaunch bar in the deskbar. Why Haiku don't have this?[17:59:30] <leszek> because haiku wants to be an r5 clone, at least with version 1.0[17:59:37] <Duggan> it probably will eventually[17:59:38] <miqlas> If You can't use the newest Transmission (0.71) because it always stopped, then You can use the 0.5 bone version. It works, because i think it not banned from the trackers yet.[18:00:39] <miqlas> leszek, in R5 we don't have lot of thing, that we can found in Haiku (Launchbar for example). And there is the app Launchbar. I thin it easy to put to the Deskbar.[18:00:48] <miqlas> Everything is ready for it.[18:00:56] *** Sryche has joined #haiku[18:01:08] <umccullough> i'm sure the response would be something like: "patches welcome"[18:01:37] <miqlas> Why the cached memory is not emptyed? I don't run anything, and the cached memory is 800mb...[18:01:38] <Duggan> and the haiku inc's collective response would be "3rd party software welcome"[18:02:01] <umccullough> well if it's part of deskbar... then it would be sort of core to the OS[18:02:02] <mmu_man> miqlas because it doesn't have any other use[18:02:32] <miqlas> oh, ok. Then it will eraes if i run anything that need place?[18:02:39] <umccullough> i have to assume it's similar to microsoft's quick-launch bar? (I don't have zeta to see)[18:02:44] <DeadYak> yes, that's how caching on any modern OS works[18:05:07] <Duggan> it wouldn't *have* to be part of deskbar...[18:05:41] <miqlas> umccullough you can see it here: http://www.newmobilecomputing.com/img/5642/zeta2.png[18:06:54] <Duggan> you could easily enough make a 3rd party application that did that, it just wouldn't necessarily live in the deskbar[18:07:24] <Duggan> though I imagine it could be possible... after all there's the performance addons[18:11:33] <miqlas> Now i need only mountable shared directoryes... Maybe with CIFS?[18:11:58] <DeadYak> which we don't yet have, the GSoC project for that failed[18:12:18] <DeadYak> don't know how well mmu_man's NFS driver works atm[18:13:05] <miqlas> Is somebody tested the cifs_mounter on Haiku?[18:14:28] *** leszek has quit IRC[18:14:41] <mmu_man> not even sure it's been ported ot the new api[18:14:54] <mmu_man> hmm seems so[18:15:03] <mmu_man> didn't test it since then[18:15:06] <mmu_man> it should work[18:15:08] <mmu_man> just slow[18:15:54] <Duggan> a working image mounter would be nice too[18:18:07] <umccullough> can't you mount images directly in haiku?[18:18:15] <umccullough> i know you can from a terminal[18:18:36] <DeadYak> mkdir /mountpoint ; mount -t fs /path/to/image /mountpoint will work yes[18:19:21] <Duggan> umccullough no[18:19:32] <umccullough> since mounting images isn't likely to be a common task for regular users, i suppose it doesn't make sense to build it into the OS as a GUI feature :)[18:19:33] <Duggan> its an addon[18:19:39] <umccullough> use the mount tool[18:19:46] <umccullough> the add-on was devloped for R5[18:20:03] <umccullough> because IIRC, it had no way to mount images[18:20:16] <miqlas> I want mount net shared volumes.[18:20:59] <umccullough> anyhow, off to work now, ttyl[18:21:07] <Duggan> bye umccullough[18:21:24] <Duggan> there were two add-ons developed actually...[18:21:46] <Duggan> http://www.bebits.com/app/2932 and http://www.bebits.com/app/3576[18:23:15] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[18:23:19] <mmu_man> plop[18:25:36] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[18:26:37] <dr_evil> been on the phone with Bob for half an hour today. from our factory in Charleston...[18:26:48] *** miqlas has quit IRC[18:28:27] <dr_evil> turns out our english texts that were done by a translation bureau are very misleading[18:28:39] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[18:29:18] <mmu_man> nothing beats doing things yourself :)[18:29:45] <Monni> for some people speaking in lolcat is a lot easier than that ;)[18:29:55] <dr_evil> they did "ECU not disabled due to current fault" should mean "ECU was not locked because other errors are present"[18:30:10] <dr_evil> current != ampere[18:30:27] <dr_evil> disabled != locked[18:32:11] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[18:32:51] * JonathanThompson plops something into the channel[18:33:02] <Duggan> greetings[18:33:17] <dr_evil> any native speakers available?[18:33:19] * Monni plops JonathanThompson into the channel[18:33:33] <JonathanThompson> Sorry, I don't speak native ;)[18:33:37] <Monni> lol[18:33:38] <Duggan> lol[18:33:43] <dr_evil> bruhaha[18:34:47] <Teknomancer> hi JonathanThompson[18:34:53] <JonathanThompson> Hi Teknomancer[18:35:11] <JonathanThompson> Just got done posting my resume (how to type that correctly?) on Craig's List.[18:35:31] <Teknomancer> JonathanThompson: you're thinking of quitting Yahoo?[18:35:32] <JonathanThompson> See if I can get out of Yahoo! on my own terms, as opposed to their terms, with all that's going on.[18:35:56] <Duggan> whats going on?[18:35:56] <Teknomancer> oh[18:36:11] <JonathanThompson> Well, they announced yesterday at their earnings report they intend on reducing head count (forget how they put it) by at least 10% by sometime in December.[18:36:24] <Duggan> that sucks[18:36:35] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps there'll be a useful severance package, but I'm not going to count on that.[18:36:44] <JonathanThompson> Besides, I don't like doing QA work anyway.[18:36:47] <Monni> better lure into competing search provider ;)[18:36:47] <Duggan> can you do me a favour?[18:37:25] <Duggan> make a note that the yahoo messenger for vista doesn't have my poweruser crown and I want it back dammit... let the QA guys working on that one know, ok?[18:37:33] <Duggan> thanx :)[18:37:48] <Duggan> lol[18:38:04] <JonathanThompson> Before I do that, I should bitch at their QA department that Yahoo Messenger leaks Windows resources like a sieve![18:38:07] <Monni> who uses yahoo messenger anyways... real geeks use Jabber ;)[18:38:27] <Teknomancer> use Pidgin[18:38:28] <Teknomancer> :P[18:38:32] <JonathanThompson> Oh, and there's no sane way of killing the task nicely.[18:38:34] <Teknomancer> because Solaris only has that[18:38:46] <Duggan> Monni I'm not a geek and I take offense to that term..... I'm a NERD[18:38:50] <JonathanThompson> So, I've had to reboot my work laptop more than once because of that POS.[18:39:02] <Monni> Pidgin is pretty unstable atleast here... doesn't handle long contact lists ;)[18:39:19] <Teknomancer> possibly[18:39:24] <Teknomancer> my contact list is very tiny[18:39:29] <Monni> Duggan: I use Gizmo, which is based on Jabber... and I'm not a geek either...[18:39:33] <Teknomancer> real geeks have tiny contact lists :P[18:39:35] <JonathanThompson> It may look nice (running the latest version, 9. something) but even though they ran it through Coverity, it still needs work on that one issue.[18:39:35] <Teknomancer> LOL[18:40:02] <Duggan> nerds have two types of people on their contact lsits.... their personal friends and ex-internet girlfriends[18:40:08] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[18:40:25] <Duggan> considering the only personal friends they ever have are other nerds...[18:40:46] <miqlas> I can't use cifs :([18:40:58] <Monni> Duggan: Big joke in my contact list was that over 20 them were inter-account contacts...[18:41:00] * JonathanThompson suspects the all-hands meeting today will have abnormally high attendance....[18:41:23] <Duggan> lool[18:41:35] <Duggan> I have myself just to be able to see if I'm online or not....[18:42:09] <Monni> Duggan: Well... I get n*n-1 copies of myself... where <n> is number of accounts logged in[18:42:37] <Duggan> you have O(n^2) of yourself on your list?[18:43:12] <Duggan> thats pretty funny btw[18:43:31] <Monni> pretty priceless I would say...[18:44:07] <Duggan> how many targets in haiku again?[18:44:15] <Monni> same goes for other contacts except no -1 ;)[18:44:24] <Duggan> lol[18:44:34] *** SunWuKung|away is now known as SunWuKung|away|a[18:45:09] <Monni> what's really funny is that with AIM account I get one for .Mac, one with regular and one using each Jabber transport ;)[18:46:14] <Duggan> do you actually have any friends on your lists? lol[18:46:26] *** korli has joined #haiku[18:46:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[18:46:32] <Monni> maybe 1/10 of total entry count ;)[18:47:36] <JonathanThompson> Nah: he only has enemies! You know what they say: hold your friends close, and hold your enemies even closer ;)[18:47:39] <dr_evil> mmu_man we had a training concerning a new cluster server today at work. only about 10 people, reagarding maintenance. I tried to be funny and asked for the root password. The instructor then put up a listing of all accounts and passwords on the beamer[18:47:52] <JonathanThompson> :P[18:48:31] <Duggan> rofl[18:48:37] <JonathanThompson> Another real-life example of the saying "Be careful what you ask for, because you just might get it!"[18:48:42] <mmu_man> lol[18:48:49] <Monni> JonathanThompson: Actually I try to keep friends as far as possible...[18:49:09] <JonathanThompson> I'm sure you do a great job of that, Monni :P[18:49:43] *** boh666 has quit IRC[18:50:20] <Monni> JonathanThompson: Well.... My boss got good laughs when UPS delivered stuff I bought week before from a shop my friend owns and is 3600 km from me...[18:52:29] *** Animal-X_aWay is now known as Animal-X[18:52:33] <Monni> JonathanThompson: It looks pretty funny when a 3 ton truck delivers a package that weighs 100 g ;)[18:53:23] <JonathanThompson> :P[18:53:35] <JonathanThompson> Sounds about right, sadly.[18:59:53] *** Euver has joined #haiku[19:00:25] <Monni> half of the time UPS can't track their deliveries here because they use local courier companies... and those have funny delivering schedules...[19:01:05] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[19:01:30] <JonathanThompson> Such is the problem of using subcontractors without enforcing identical rules.[19:01:55] <Monni> they assume that people are at home from 8 am to 1 pm which is pretty insane...[19:02:03] <JonathanThompson> ???[19:03:26] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[19:03:55] <Monni> Most people here are at work from 7 am to 6 pm[19:04:00] <tqh> Monni, same in Sweden, they are always confused when people are at work.[19:04:27] <Monni> tqh: I work in place where no outsiders are allowed...[19:04:28] <tqh> like it's a new invention they never heard of[19:04:32] <JonathanThompson> "What? You mean you work the same shift I do? Why would anyone do THAT???"[19:04:47] <Monni> JonathanThompson: exactly...[19:05:41] <thebolt> JonathanThompson: i got fedex (local branch/subcontractor) to deliver a package to me at uni (at a cafe) instead of home to my place[19:06:05] <JonathanThompson> One of my coworkers has his wine deliveries at the office.[19:06:16] <Monni> Well... I was on a sailing boat when UPS was trying to deliver a package to my home address ;)[19:06:49] <Monni> try parking a 3 ton truck on top of a sailing boat ;)[19:07:03] <JonathanThompson> Some people would try it ;)[19:07:36] <Monni> would work on a cruise ship, but not a sailing boat ;)[19:08:19] <JonathanThompson> All depends on how big the sail boat is :P[19:08:50] <Monni> JonathanThompson: Designed for 5[19:08:51] <helf> ha[19:08:58] <helf> the USD is now worth .77 EURO :)[19:09:08] * JonathanThompson laughs at helf because helf is funny[19:09:13] <Monni> up it goes... was .68 last time I checked...[19:09:18] <helf> yep[19:09:19] <helf> :)[19:09:29] <Monni> should go above 1.10 EUR[19:09:32] <helf> oil has traded at as low as $67/bbl today[19:09:33] <helf> :D[19:09:45] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[19:10:07] <JonathanThompson> Pity that won't be reflected in gas prices most of the time.[19:10:18] <DeadYak> they've been steadily dropping here[19:10:30] <DeadYak> down to around 2.60 ish here[19:10:39] <JonathanThompson> They've been dropping here, too, but still > $3/gallon.[19:10:44] <Monni> 95 octane should go as low as 0.80 EUR per litre to be on a normal level...[19:11:24] <dr_evil> 1.28 EUR here[19:11:25] <helf> its 2.75 for regular here, unless it has dropped since i got to work[19:11:43] <dr_evil> 1.28 EUR here pere litre 95 oct[19:11:47] <helf> 2.60 something for crappy gas[19:11:49] <dr_evil> helf litre?[19:11:53] <helf> gallon[19:12:02] *** Thomas_away has quit IRC[19:12:42] <dr_evil> 1 litre = 0.26 US gallons?[19:12:49] <helf> its like 72c a litre[19:13:16] <helf> 1 US Gallon = 3.785 Litres[19:14:17] <helf> our 93octane (98.5 RON) was $3.03/G this morning[19:15:36] <Monni> I would like it to go as low as 65 cents per litre...[19:16:08] <helf> costs me around $75 to fill up from an empty tank :)[19:16:11] * helf is so happy[19:16:18] <helf> was $118 just a few weeks ago[19:16:38] <Monni> I think it's about 50 EUR to fill my whole tank...[19:17:43] <helf> about $10 less than me[19:17:47] <helf> I have a large tank.[19:17:51] <helf> 27.4 US Gallons[19:17:57] <Monni> mine is around 40 litres I think...[19:18:05] <DeadYak> you and your van down by the river :P[19:18:12] * DeadYak ducks[19:18:22] <helf> 103litre tank :P[19:18:26] <helf> lol DeadYak[19:19:55] <Monni> without stupid limitations I could connect 1000 litre tank to my car using trailer... I wouldn't ever need to refill that...[19:20:04] <helf> you could pull that[19:20:07] <helf> couldnt[19:20:18] <Monni> It can pull 900 kg atleast[19:20:48] <Monni> I've pulled 1.2 tons downhill[19:21:01] <helf> monni[19:21:02] <Monni> 300 kg over car's own weight...[19:21:15] <helf> 1000 litres of gaoline is like 1500lbs[19:21:24] <helf> and thats 1.2tons.. downhill[19:21:47] <helf> my van is rated for 3 tons.. i betcha i could pull 50tons.. downhill[19:21:47] <helf> ;)[19:22:07] <Monni> 1500 lbs is about 680 kg...[19:22:30] <miqlas> How can i delete the MDR icon from the deskbar?[19:22:48] <helf> ok, lets put it this way. you might be able to pull it. while wearing out your transmission, transfer cases, engine.. and getting horrible fuel mileage[19:22:55] <helf> oh, and your suspension[19:23:19] <Monni> does that matter if I have 1000 litres to use instead of 40 litres ;)[19:23:58] <Monni> even if the container weighs 100 kg, which it shouldn't... it's not over the maximum rated...[19:25:01] *** Euver has quit IRC[19:25:18] <Monni> It just needs own brakes in trailer, because otherwise it would just continue pushing the car when I hit brakes...[19:25:41] <miqlas> Ohh.. shit. The activity Monitor replicant is undeleteable yet![19:25:57] <Monni> zombie replicants are the HIP ;)[19:26:29] <miqlas> Then what is the magic command to delete it? And why this bug not fixed yet?[19:26:47] <DeadYak> hey Tracker Quit ; rm ~/config/settings/Tracker/tracker_shelf[19:26:55] <DeadYak> and same reason why every other bug that still exists isn't fixed yet[19:27:12] <Monni> on bottom of importance list ;)[19:27:42] *** helf_ has joined #haiku[19:27:45] <helf_> wtf[19:27:47] *** helf_ is now known as helf2[19:27:48] *** helf2 has quit IRC[19:28:14] *** helf_ has joined #haiku[19:28:29] <Monni> clone wars ;)[19:28:29] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[19:28:35] <helf_> ...[19:28:40] <helf_> i keep getting disconnected[19:28:55] *** helf has quit IRC[19:28:59] *** helf_ is now known as helf[19:29:23] <Monni> birds sitting on copper cables ;)[19:32:17] *** Duggan has quit IRC[19:53:13] *** korli has quit IRC[19:58:07] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[20:02:26] *** Sryche has quit IRC[20:08:58] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[20:09:01] *** SunWuKung|away|a has quit IRC[20:09:47] *** MauriceK has joined #haiku[20:10:08] *** _maniac_ has joined #haiku[20:14:12] * DeadYak pets MauriceK[20:14:25] <MauriceK> hey DeadYak[20:17:45] *** Teknomancer has left #haiku[20:18:17] *** SunWuKung|away has joined #haiku[20:20:37] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[20:22:54] *** AndrevS has joined #haiku[20:24:49] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[20:41:20] <CIA-60> axeld * r28289 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/input_server/devices/keyboard/TeamMonitorWindow.cpp: * Added shortcut Command+Shift+T to open a Terminal. For compatiblity with BeOS :-)[20:45:48] *** sprma_ has quit IRC[20:52:55] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[20:54:07] <helf> oh god[20:54:26] <helf> I found some of that peanut butter and jelly mixed together peanut butter shit in the staff pantry[20:54:30] <helf> and i didnt check the date[20:54:35] <helf> and i feel terrible[20:54:37] <helf> ...[20:55:58] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[20:59:59] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[21:00:51] <Monni> people shouldn't need to check the dates...[21:03:08] <dr_evil> hmm I ate tasty apple sauce last weekend. best before october 2007[21:03:14] <helf> :P[21:03:22] <helf> out of date stuff usually doesnt bother me..[21:03:25] <dr_evil> but still unopened[21:03:31] <helf> it could just be that the crap was terrible tasting to begin with :)[21:03:57] <Monni> I've had stuff that was 4 years old and still eatable...[21:04:56] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[21:05:11] <AlienSoldier> it's a rich only problem helf :P[21:05:28] <Kokito> howdy[21:06:08] <Monni> just like fried testicles when they watch too much online porn on laptops ;)[21:07:51] <AlienSoldier> 10 cm of snow since yesterday, and the damn thing is not melting yet :([21:09:44] <Monni> you better go do some snow angels then ;)[21:11:14] <AlienSoldier> i only do yellow demon :P[21:13:02] <Monni> no wonder then...[21:14:44] *** BGA has quit IRC[21:15:39] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[21:16:05] *** senry-user has quit IRC[21:18:01] <helf> reloading my work pc. bbl possibly[21:19:11] * JonathanThompson laughs at helf again[21:19:31] <helf> ..[21:19:54] <helf> i just exported my bookmarks as an html file[21:19:59] <helf> 466kb[21:22:19] *** helf has quit IRC[21:29:43] *** Nies has joined #haiku[21:48:50] *** Gareth has quit IRC[21:58:49] *** daste has joined #haiku[22:05:55] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[22:06:36] *** Gareth has joined #haiku[22:08:33] *** Barrett666_ has joined #haiku[22:10:42] <PulkoMandy> +++[22:10:47] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[22:22:28] *** SunWuKung|away is now known as SunWuKung|away|a[22:23:53] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[22:23:55] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[22:24:02] <Duggan> greetings all[22:24:43] *** Stefan100 has quit IRC[22:27:43] *** paul0 has quit IRC[22:27:43] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[22:29:11] <miqlas> Hm....[22:38:14] *** miqlas has quit IRC[22:40:04] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:42:35] *** DBAlex has joined #haiku[22:51:38] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[22:52:39] *** rdmr has quit IRC[22:54:27] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:54:27] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[22:56:44] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[22:56:54] *** SunWuKung|away|a has quit IRC[22:58:12] *** SunWuKung|away has joined #haiku[22:59:28] <Duggan> question...[23:00:34] <Duggan> get alot of targets that are skipped "for lack of " -something- (where something is <build>mimeset, <build>rc, or <build>rsrc)....[23:00:37] <Duggan> is this common?[23:01:38] *** stippi has joined #haiku[23:01:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[23:03:59] <mmu_man> plop[23:04:17] <mmu_man> Duggan how are you building ?[23:04:39] <mmu_man> you must specify a target (haiku-image or install-haiku) else you'll likely try to build things that aren't meant to[23:04:54] <Duggan> first time I built the image[23:05:12] <Duggan> which failed[23:05:37] <mmu_man> what platform ?[23:05:38] <Duggan> I just ran an update then rebuilt with just "jam" and I had more luck lol[23:05:40] <mmu_man> did you run configure ?[23:05:44] <Duggan> yes[23:05:56] <mmu_man> I repeat you *must* specify a target[23:06:18] <Duggan> as far as just running, jam I know you're not supposed to do that[23:06:59] <Duggan> its still funny how i ended up having better success with that than with jam haiku-image[23:07:11] <mmu_man> use jam -q haiku-image[23:07:19] <mmu_man> it'll stop on the first pb[23:07:22] <mmu_man> that should help[23:08:09] <Duggan> the install-haiku target, what does that build to? does it overwrite the current install or does it compile it into a tree under the repo?[23:08:43] <stippi> mmu_man: I think haiku-image may be the default target since some time.[23:09:04] <mmu_man> ah, maybe[23:09:37] <Duggan> its rebuilding but it'll take a while before I get anything back[23:12:29] *** Barrett666_ has quit IRC[23:15:38] *** SunWuKung|away has quit IRC[23:16:09] <Duggan> fs_shell/atomic.o failed[23:17:21] *** ddew|bofh has quit IRC[23:17:27] *** aldeck has quit IRC[23:17:35] <Duggan> implicit declaration of function int_atomic_set(...) is the first error...[23:18:00] <Duggan> couple dozen implicit declarations all in all[23:20:03] <Duggan> any ideas?[23:20:59] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[23:21:30] <Begasus> evening peeps[23:21:36] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[23:22:26] *** aldeck has joined #Haiku[23:23:16] *** stippi has quit IRC[23:24:10] <Duggan> sorry, int32_t fssh_atomic_set(...)[23:26:43] <mmu_man> which platform are you building from ?[23:27:05] *** MauriceK has quit IRC[23:27:24] <Duggan> vmware[23:27:28] <Duggan> x86[23:27:35] <Duggan> haiku itself[23:28:26] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[23:30:47] *** helf has joined #haiku[23:31:02] <helf> howdy[23:31:07] <Duggan> hi[23:31:24] *** stippi has joined #haiku[23:31:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[23:31:29] <Duggan> wb[23:32:02] *** boh666 has joined #haiku[23:34:19] *** Kokito3 has joined #haiku[23:36:01] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[23:38:49] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:40:19] *** stippi has quit IRC[23:46:27] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[23:46:43] *** helf has quit IRC[23:46:53] * DaaT slaps Begasus[23:47:15] <Begasus> thnx ;)[23:47:25] <DaaT> :)[23:47:33] *** oco has joined #haiku[23:47:35] <Begasus> ps ... I got my GSoC t-shirt today :D[23:47:42] <Begasus> ^^[23:47:46] <DaaT> yay[23:47:51] <DaaT> pic! pic![23:47:56] <DaaT> of the t-shirt, not you of course :P[23:48:10] <mmu_man> better make sure[23:48:18] <DaaT> ;)[23:48:20] * DaaT pets mmu_man[23:48:24] <mmu_man> you might get pics without the t-shirt...[23:48:31] <DaaT> nnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo[23:48:36] * DaaT sticks forks in eyes[23:48:57] <mmu_man> there is no spoon[23:49:06] <mmu_man> but there is a fork :)[23:49:17] <DaaT> which is what I need[23:49:20] <DaaT> convenient :)[23:51:17] <Begasus> :P[23:54:16] <DaaT> Begasus, my name's now part of the haiku commits[23:54:17] <DaaT> yay[23:54:17] <DaaT> :P[23:54:28] <Begasus> wtg![23:54:36] <DaaT> :P[23:54:57] <Kokito3> DaaT![23:55:13] <Kokito3> Begasus, how come you got a GSoC shirt?[23:55:28] <Begasus> tux4kids project Kokito ;)[23:55:35] <DaaT> Kokito!![23:55:51] <Begasus> howdy btw :D[23:56:04] <Kokito3> hiho :)[23:56:12] <Kokito3> tudo bem DaaT?[23:56:19] <DaaT> tudo e contigo?[23:56:26] <Kokito3> tudo bem[23:56:35] <Kokito3> watching soccer[23:56:47][23:57:29] *** korli has joined #haiku[23:57:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli