October 21, 2008 
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October 21, 2008 [00:02:22] <k-os> where can i find foo.pkg files?[00:02:35] <k-os> that can be installed by the package-installer?[00:03:07] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[00:03:53] <mmu_man> foo is a placeholder :p[00:04:48] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[00:04:51] <k-os> i know[00:05:03] <k-os> where can i find pkg files?[00:05:29] <mmu_man> bebits ?[00:05:34] <mmu_man> what is the lib you need anyway ?[00:05:34] <thotypous> hi[00:05:51] <mmu_man> thotypous the quicam code is not finished[00:05:53] <mmu_man> it won't work[00:05:57] <k-os> mmu_man, i needed to place a file in a certain folder[00:06:28] <mmu_man> if you told what program you try to run and what lib it wants it'd be easier to tell you what to get[00:07:21] <k-os> ok, Opera[00:08:30] <thotypous> mmu_man oh :D[00:08:39] <thotypous> mmu_man so it doesn't work for you too[00:09:50] *** mmu has joined #haiku[00:09:56] <PulkoMandy> +++[00:10:03] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[00:10:34] <mmu> grrr[00:10:40] <mmu> got disco[00:11:00] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[00:11:12] *** mmu is now known as mmu_man[00:11:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[00:14:30] <miqlas> k-os, if You run program in terminal you may get more info about the missing lib[00:15:37] <k-os> i got no problems now, i was just wondering if Opera browser was available...[00:16:12] *** thotypous has quit IRC[00:22:05] <mmu_man> there is an old version for BeOS that should run[00:24:43] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[00:25:29] *** korli has quit IRC[00:29:56] <k-os> i found version 3[00:42:34] *** leszek has quit IRC[00:47:23] *** MindChild has joined #haiku[00:56:41] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28253 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/ (7 files in 2 dirs):[00:56:41] <CIA-60> Moved scheduler.cpp into new subdirectory scheduler/. Moved the[00:56:41] <CIA-60> scheduler tracing and scheduler analysis code into separate source[00:56:41] <CIA-60> files.[00:58:55] *** acidx has joined #haiku[01:11:08] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28254 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/scheduler/scheduler_tracing.cpp:[01:11:08] <CIA-60> "lastTime" wasn't updated correctly when the thread was unscheduled.[01:11:08] <CIA-60> "scheduler" would therefore print incorrect latencies.[01:15:27] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:17:03] *** aldeck has quit IRC[01:19:10] *** wildur has quit IRC[01:41:41] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:49:17] *** mmadia has quit IRC[01:50:39] *** SunWuKung|away is now known as SunWuKung|away|a[01:56:24] *** criso has joined #haiku[02:37:13] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[02:51:17] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[02:52:19] *** umccullough_w has joined #haiku[03:08:44] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[03:09:33] <Kokito> hello folks[03:09:56] <AlienSoldier> hi[03:14:36] <Kokito> hey AlienSoldier[03:15:58] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[03:17:18] <AlienSoldier> just came out of a nap, took it because being pissed about buying crap item at canadian tire was hard on my hearth :)[03:17:27] <AlienSoldier> seem i will boycott them for another 10 year[03:18:34] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[03:20:04] <criso> lol[03:20:09] <criso> what was it[03:21:26] <AlienSoldier> a bicycle pump, took me 20 min per tire[03:21:47] <umccullough_w> bicycle tiers?[03:21:50] <umccullough_w> tires[03:22:23] <criso> manual pump?[03:22:57] <AlienSoldier> i decided to let my trusty one at the shack (a 60's made pump working great) and get a new... welcome to plastic cheap part and stupid system made just to circumvent a patent and save on royalty[03:23:01] <AlienSoldier> yes manual[03:23:14] <criso> you are very unreasonable[03:23:23] *** SunWuKung|away|a has quit IRC[03:23:54] <AlienSoldier> i am?[03:23:58] <criso> :)[03:24:07] <AlienSoldier> :P[03:24:17] <criso> I can't blame canadian tire for people buying junk..[03:24:32] <criso> get a compressor next time[03:24:35] <AlienSoldier> wallmart is already on my boycott list, so it's not going to be hard to add them[03:24:44] <criso> zellers?[03:24:54] <AlienSoldier> zellers also on my list :)[03:24:56] <criso> :/[03:25:00] <criso> what's left?![03:25:07] <AlienSoldier> speciality store[03:25:22] <criso> Put them on the list too[03:25:24] <AlienSoldier> they sell twice the price, but at least i don't have crap[03:25:29] <criso> just in case[03:25:59] <criso> in fact[03:26:05] <AlienSoldier> why in hell do they have to use plastic for stuff that screw[03:26:08] <criso> when I have a similar problem[03:26:12] <umccullough_w> just to be stereotypical, just add anything that has their stuff made in china to that list :P[03:26:18] <criso> I just buy a new bike ;)[03:26:49] <AlienSoldier> criso pretty much the mentality they want to get folks in, buy buy buy[03:28:02] <AlienSoldier> really, why would i want the reliability of a tool to go down by 90% just for 2$ less is beyond me[03:28:38] <umccullough_w> i tend to hang onto "good used tools"[03:28:56] <umccullough_w> if they've lasted long enough to show up at a garage sale, they're probably still good ;)[03:29:05] <AlienSoldier> so true[03:29:15] <umccullough_w> especially powertools[03:29:37] <AlienSoldier> my old one is made in one peice of metal, the tube and the foot, and the handle is in wood[03:31:23] <AlienSoldier> it does no surprise me we see polymer added to milk those days[03:32:30] <AlienSoldier> tomorrow i gonna go to a mom and pop bicycle store, they better not have that same crap in store or i do a scene :P[03:35:36] <umccullough_w> heh[03:35:43] *** SunWuKung|away has joined #haiku[03:37:25] <umccullough_w> i think my DVD-RW drive at home has something against linux[03:37:56] <umccullough_w> every install cd i burn for linux ends up failing the media check, no matter what distro[03:38:08] <umccullough_w> starting to piss me off[03:38:45] <umccullough_w> and yes, the iso passes MD5 check[03:38:57] <umccullough_w> and yes, i've burned at various speeds, including the lowest my burner will go[03:39:05] <umccullough_w> and yes, it burns other CDs with no issue[03:39:35] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[03:39:41] <AlienSoldier> some linux are the reverse, they can brick DVD drve[03:39:45] <AlienSoldier> *drive[03:39:50] <umccullough_w> during an iso burn?[03:39:54] <umccullough_w> that's teh evil[03:40:42] <AlienSoldier> no idea what operation cause it, but i remember a mandrake did it some years ago, and another linux did it this year[03:41:07] <AlienSoldier> was corupting the bios of the device for some reason[03:41:48] <umccullough_w> sounds like a faulty device if it's susceptible to that ;)[03:42:23] <AlienSoldier> i'm lucky to not have that happen to me as i also have those optical drive as my ennemys now :) at least those that burn stuff. Original maticed disk device never bothered me[03:42:44] <AlienSoldier> *matriced[03:43:24] <AlienSoldier> for me dvd and the like is not equivalent to 5 1/4 now, i don't want to have to do with them[03:43:35] <AlienSoldier> *is equivalent[03:44:25] <AlienSoldier> once those magneto resistance HD came out around 2000, i said screw those optical disk[03:44:56] <AlienSoldier> now i'm about to say the same thing about HD and go SSD[03:45:24] <AlienSoldier> but... i feel they are a bit like RW CD :P[03:45:44] *** criso has quit IRC[03:49:39] <AlienSoldier> hells angels war is starting back :( they got their bunker burned by a tank truck filled with fuel[03:49:59] <AlienSoldier> holliwood have nothing on quebec bikers :)[04:00:14] *** razor0 has joined #haiku[04:00:31] <razor0> Has anyone emulated Haiku OS on-top of Windows?[04:01:13] <razor0> I am trying to tinker with Haiku without major workstation setup/reconfiguration[04:02:15] <geist> vmware[04:02:51] <razor0> thanks[04:03:16] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[04:04:18] *** senry-user has quit IRC[04:13:04] <umccullough_w> virtualbox[04:13:06] <umccullough_w> qemu[04:13:41] <umccullough_w> i keep hearing that Haiku in virtualbox is quite good - possibly better than vmware... but I haven't tested that myself yet :)[04:14:17] <umccullough_w> going home now[04:14:20] *** umccullough_w has quit IRC[04:17:19] <thotypous> it only runs in virtualbox if your processor supports hardware virtualization[04:17:24] <thotypous> (>= core2duo)[04:27:09] *** Kokito has quit IRC[04:27:32] *** BuildFactory has joined #haiku[04:34:09] *** thotypous has quit IRC[04:41:13] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[04:48:13] *** helf2 has joined #haiku[04:48:17] <helf2> mml8906ga[04:48:23] <helf2> uh[04:48:25] <helf2> um[04:48:29] <helf2> ignor ethat[04:50:13] <NeonLicht> umccullough: it runs very nicely on qemu for me[04:57:24] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[04:57:29] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[04:57:38] <thotypous> src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/ata/pio.c:181: too few arguments to function `vm_put_physical_page_current_cpu'[04:57:40] <thotypous> :D[04:57:51] *** Kokito has quit IRC[04:58:02] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[04:58:18] <DeadYak> thotypous: sure you're up to date?[04:58:30] <thotypous> let's track what was changed[04:58:36] <thotypous> DeadYak, sure, r28254[04:58:40] <thotypous> but I'm using ata bus manager[04:58:43] <DeadYak> thotypous: svn status show anything fishy?[04:59:01] <thotypous> only the src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/Jamfile I've modified[04:59:16] <DeadYak> lemme try[05:00:43] <thotypous> http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/28244[05:00:48] <thotypous> perhaps it's related to this changeset[05:01:16] <DeadYak> probably, though I thought he adjusted ata in that one too[05:02:00] <DeadYak> ok, confirmed...[05:02:01] <DeadYak> one moment[05:02:07] <thotypous> maybe he missed this line[05:02:22] <thotypous> perhaps it's only missing handle[05:02:41] <thotypous> in the transfer_PIO_physcont, it gets the handle at the beggining of the function[05:02:55] <thotypous> but it doesn't use it when calling vm_put_physical_page_current_cpu[05:03:05] <DeadYak> I was just going to look at 28244 to see how vm_put_physical_page_current_cpu got changed[05:03:35] <thotypous> http://haiku.pastebin.com/f36c64dd9[05:03:41] <thotypous> DeadYak, this should fix[05:04:06] <thotypous> builds now[05:04:14] <thotypous> I still have to reboot and test[05:04:21] <DeadYak> looks like you're right, yeah[05:04:26] *** markos_ has quit IRC[05:04:38] <thotypous> it's my first installation into a partition :P I was booting from usb stick[05:04:39] <thotypous> any hints?[05:04:50] <DeadYak> loading it via grub I guess?[05:04:54] <thotypous> yes[05:05:31] <thotypous> jam is now creating the image in the partition[05:05:37] <CIA-60> anevilyak * r28255 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/ata/pio.c: Omitted change in 28244, the handle wasn't passed. Thanks thotypous![05:05:45] <thotypous> :D[05:11:01] *** helf2 has quit IRC[05:13:32] *** daste has joined #haiku[05:14:24] <thotypous> brb, reboot to haiku :D[05:14:27] *** thotypous has quit IRC[05:43:37] *** paul0 has quit IRC[05:45:36] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[05:46:32] <thotypous> DeadYak, well, after struggling a lot with the partitions, got it to boot... but.. panic (probably still related to the changeset)[05:47:02] <thotypous> src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/ata/pio.c:166[05:47:42] <thotypous> assertion failed (physicalAddress & 4097) == (virtualAddress & 4097)[05:48:20] <thotypous> ata_exec_pio_transfer() -> read_PIO_block()[05:48:29] *** helf has quit IRC[05:49:09] *** helf has joined #haiku[05:49:38] *** helf has quit IRC[05:50:18] *** helf has joined #haiku[05:50:48] <thotypous> DeadYak, there seems to be no assertions like that in ../ide/pio.c[05:51:00] <thotypous> do you think it would be safe to remove this assertion?[05:51:03] *** helf has joined #haiku[05:52:38] <thotypous> I'm trying this: http://haiku.pastebin.com/m28f8c0a8[05:52:50] <thotypous> I don't know if it's expected to work, though[05:53:03] *** helf has quit IRC[05:53:19] <thotypous> writing image to disk...[05:53:43] *** helf has joined #haiku[05:53:49] <thotypous> man, writing the image to disk is really *slow*[05:56:03] <umccullough> not usually too bad[05:56:10] <umccullough> using the build system? or dd?[05:56:17] <thotypous> using the build system[05:56:21] <umccullough> writing to USB is slow ;)[05:56:30] <thotypous> I'm writing to HD now[05:56:53] <thotypous> the problem is installing the optional packages all the time (and I want them)[05:57:05] *** helf has quit IRC[05:57:08] <thotypous> umccullough, do you think disabling this assertion will work? http://haiku.pastebin.com/m28f8c0a8[05:57:46] *** helf_ has joined #haiku[05:59:40] <umccullough> sorry, i missed what you were trying to accomplish[06:00:08] <thotypous> this assertion fails, and there is no such assertion in the (default) IDE bus manager[06:00:25] <umccullough> i have no clue, the person to ask is probably dr_evil (since he wrote that bus manager)[06:00:32] <umccullough> he's obviously not here atm though :([06:00:51] <thotypous> writing to disk finished[06:00:58] <thotypous> wish me lucky[06:01:07] *** thotypous has quit IRC[06:01:08] <umccullough> bbiab[06:03:12] <DeadYak> I'd probably not do that...that could result in data corruption[06:04:52] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[06:04:55] <thotypous> yuppy[06:04:58] <thotypous> I'm in Haiku now[06:05:02] <thotypous> it works :D[06:05:22] <DeadYak> I'd be careful....that assert didn't trip before the changes in 28244 ... might be risking data corruption there[06:05:42] <thotypous> DeadYak hm, booted without the assertion[06:05:46] <thotypous> :P[06:05:55] <DeadYak> yes, but that assert's there for a reason[06:05:59] <thotypous> it's needed to check out this stuff[06:06:01] <thotypous> yep[06:06:23] <DeadYak> file a ticket please[06:06:56] <thotypous> ok, opening firefox :D[06:07:34] <DeadYak> for now at least though, I'd advise not mounting any partitions other than your haiku one[06:07:36] <DeadYak> just in case[06:08:33] <thotypous> DeadYak I'm ok, my Linux partition is XFS, and Haiku doesn't even recognize it :P[06:08:41] <DeadYak> ha[06:08:44] <DeadYak> that works[06:09:04] <DeadYak> my other partitions are also unreadable here, Haiku currently doesn't understand FreeBSD slices at all[06:09:27] <umccullough> thotypous, but we're not talking about filesystems, we're talking about the ata bus_manager - it probably can thrash an entire disk without blinking ;)[06:10:01] <umccullough> and it seems that an assertion that it's writing to the proper memory address would be pretty damn important[06:10:14] <umccullough> assuming that's what it was[06:10:35] <thotypous> well, I don't see why it would write outside the Haiku partition[06:10:50] <umccullough> you feed a disk controller garbage, you never know what you'll get[06:10:54] <thotypous> as the writing address is not passed through this memory area[06:11:01] <thotypous> is it?[06:11:14] <thotypous> s/address/sector, cluster/[06:12:09] <thotypous> I like to live dangerously, anyway :P[06:12:12] <DeadYak> bear in mind what that function is... it's a data transfer to/from the disk[06:13:03] <DeadYak> so yes it's entirely possible for it to trash stuff outside the bounds of the partition if given bad data[06:13:32] <DeadYak> it's also possible that those changes mean that assert no longer applies but... I'd be a bit more paranoid when it comes to my data[06:14:32] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[06:14:49] <umccullough> interestingly, when the MTRR setup was wrong, i was using my core 2 duo box with 4gb RAM, and the intel_extreme driver sent something to my 1920x1200 LCD via the analog cable that caused it to lose all red color[06:14:52] <thotypous> hm, I need to create an account for Trac[06:15:06] <umccullough> no matter what machine i started up, it was screwed[06:15:21] <umccullough> even unplugging it from the wall didn't fix it[06:15:24] <umccullough> but the DVI worked[06:15:35] <DeadYak> wow nice[06:15:37] <thotypous> umccullough *fear*[06:15:40] <umccullough> i figured it had blown the analog convertor on the monitor for a while[06:16:04] <umccullough> it eventually was corrected when I hooked it up to my HDMI port on my HD-DVD player for some reason[06:16:13] <umccullough> after that, it was all better :P[06:16:46] <umccullough> i was just about ready to RMA the monitor :P[06:17:03] *** SunWuKung|away is now known as SunWuKung|away|a[06:17:23] <thotypous> is it so dangerous to play with the intel driver? :P[06:17:35] <thotypous> umccullough can you use the analog cable now?[06:18:27] <DeadYak> I'd assume so since MTRR setup was fixed in the meantime[06:18:28] <umccullough> thotypous, oh yeah, it's all better since korli fixed the MTRR[06:18:51] <umccullough> moral of this: testing OSes can be dangerous to *any* hardware ;)[06:19:13] <DeadYak> what, like that linux kernel driver bug that was like...blowing away the firmware on some eth chipset or other?[06:19:19] <umccullough> heh[06:19:29] <DeadYak> an intel chipset if I remember right?[06:19:32] <DeadYak> or was it something other than ethernet?[06:19:33] <umccullough> and aliensoldier was saying that DVD burner firmware was getting toasted by linux too :P[06:19:51] <umccullough> DeadYak, it was intel ethernet, yes[06:19:57] <thotypous> e1000[06:19:59] <DeadYak> ah yeah, intel 1000e[06:20:10] <thotypous> DeadYak Component: Add-Ons[06:20:14] <thotypous> is that right?[06:20:17] <thotypous> to fill in the ticket[06:20:23] <thotypous> it's my first ticket :~[06:20:31] <umccullough> drivers probably better[06:20:35] <DeadYak> thotypous: you have javascript enabled right?[06:20:41] <thotypous> yes[06:20:55] <DeadYak> Drivers / Disk[06:20:58] <thotypous> Drivers -> Disk[06:21:06] <thotypous> aah sure[06:21:08] <thotypous> ok :D thanks[06:21:17] *** razor0 has quit IRC[06:21:31] <DeadYak> make sure to mention that the assert only started tripping after the changes in 28244[06:21:58] <thotypous> ok, thanks :)[06:26:14] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[06:27:33] <thotypous> DeadYak http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/2896[06:28:37] * DeadYak nods[06:28:40] <DeadYak> I'm on the bug mailing list :)[06:29:01] <thotypous> :D[06:29:19] <umccullough> speaking of which...[06:29:22] * umccullough goes to read his email[06:29:41] <thotypous> hehe[06:30:34] * umccullough svn up's his core 2 duo box[06:30:41] <DeadYak> what clock is that one?[06:30:47] <DeadYak> and is that the one with like 4GB of RAM?[06:30:51] <AlienSoldier> umccullough if i remember it was a LG model that was at risk back then[06:30:52] <umccullough> 2.66 i think[06:30:53] <geist> 42[06:31:01] <umccullough> yes, 4gb ram[06:31:17] <DeadYak> geist: see Ingo's page mapper changes?[06:32:03] <thotypous> I'm going to sleep now :D[06:32:07] <DeadYak> night thotypous[06:32:08] <thotypous> bye and thanks :)[06:32:11] <thotypous> good night[06:32:11] <umccullough> 'night[06:32:18] *** thotypous has quit IRC[06:33:03] <geist> DeadYak: no. I'll lookie though[06:33:16] <DeadYak> geist: r26244 to be exact[06:33:16] <umccullough> apparently some nice speedups lately[06:33:22] <DeadYak> errr[06:33:24] <DeadYak> 28244[06:34:16] <geist> yeah[06:34:19] <geist> makes sense[06:34:36] <DeadYak> I'm not sure I completely understood what the broken behavior was for > 256MB of RAM though[06:34:40] <DeadYak> can you shed some light?[06:35:07] <geist> yeah, the physical page mapper was previously on demand mapping pages into a 256MB region of kernel space[06:35:10] <geist> LRU style[06:35:14] <DeadYak> ok[06:35:38] <geist> so if you had 256 or less, it essentially mapped all at once and then never touched the mapping again[06:35:44] <geist> otherwise you'd start thrashing[06:36:07] <DeadYak> aha[06:36:57] <DeadYak> so the new change does what exactly, make a larger region available for that?[06:37:42] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[06:38:00] <geist> hang on, in game[06:38:05] <umccullough> heh[06:38:35] <DeadYak> I sense a warcrack slave[06:38:40] <DeadYak> ;)[06:40:30] <geist> but i'm glad ingo is into making real changes now[06:40:42] <geist> he's finally replacing a lot of the first level implementations of things i did[06:40:48] * JonathanThompson stretches DeadYak to 11 times his normal length[06:40:51] <geist> most of the system was intended to be replaced with something better[06:40:58] <DeadYak> I was wondering if that one was inherited from NewOS or not[06:40:59] <geist> like almost exactly what he did today[06:41:03] <geist> totally[06:41:19] <DeadYak> could you pull any of the stuff he did back, or has that part of it changed too much at this point?[06:41:33] <geist> oh all the cpp and junk makes it impossible[06:41:39] <DeadYak> aw[06:43:12] <umccullough> haiku is unintentially anti-newos :([06:44:46] <DeadYak> anyways, time for bed here[06:44:48] <DeadYak> see you guys around[06:45:18] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[06:45:22] <geist> what it could do if i had time is trigger me doing essentially the same thing[06:45:30] <geist> there's always a zillion ways to do that kind of stuff[06:45:47] * DeadYak nods[06:51:48] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[06:52:00] <Duggan> hey all[06:55:03] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[07:02:03] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[07:02:24] *** VinDuv has left #haiku[07:04:23] *** acidx has quit IRC[07:05:59] *** Duggan has quit IRC[07:22:40] *** luroh has joined #haiku[07:22:55] <umccullough> hi luroh[07:23:02] <luroh> heya umccullough[07:23:19] <luroh> or aloha, rather :)[07:24:09] <Kokito> aloha![07:24:26] <luroh> whoa, Kokito :)[07:26:11] <Kokito> :)[07:26:40] <umccullough> ah damn, i hit that same assertion failure as thotypous[07:27:23] <luroh> i had a quick stop over in SF the other day[07:27:35] <umccullough> aw[07:27:40] <luroh> not enough time to solicit any social interaction though[07:27:55] <umccullough> work-related?[07:28:22] <Kokito> luroh, from where to where?[07:28:23] <luroh> yeah, on my way to hawaii[07:28:30] <Kokito> ah[07:28:50] <luroh> work's a bitch sometimes :P[07:28:52] <umccullough> luroh, you get to travel a lot i gather ;)[07:29:14] <luroh> well yes, but i'm a lone ranger[07:29:48] <luroh> you usually like to get the work done and get back home, no matter where you are[07:30:03] <umccullough> yeah, business travel isn't one of my favorites either :/[07:30:07] <luroh> aye[07:32:13] <luroh> i hear some guys complaining about the price of gas over here[07:32:33] <luroh> today, i bought a litre of water[07:32:37] <luroh> $7,50[07:33:22] <luroh> obviously, i have to find a substitute :P[07:35:30] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[07:36:00] <umccullough> in Hawaii?[07:36:12] <luroh> http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00260vl2.jpg[07:36:41] <luroh> perhaps i'll try to drink gas instead[07:36:45] <umccullough> lol, fijii water is pretty damned expensive to begin with ;)[07:37:07] <umccullough> it's the most expensive bottled water i know of ;)[07:37:08] <luroh> well how was i supposed to know :P[07:37:18] <Kokito> the Grand Hyatt is not where you would expect to find good deals luroh :)[07:37:25] <umccullough> that also[07:37:37] <luroh> ah yeah, figures :P[07:41:04] * Kokito is pretty sure you can't get a room for less than $300/night at any Grand Hyatt[07:41:33] <DHowett> Hey Koki[07:41:36] <DHowett> & everybody :)[07:42:00] <Kokito> hey DHowett[07:42:50] <luroh> yeah, everything's pretty expensive here[07:43:19] <luroh> they have you pretty well cut off from civilization, unless you rent a car[07:43:38] <luroh> (which i'm doing tomorrow, btw)[07:44:02] <umccullough> hawaii isn't known to be a cheap place to live/visit ;)[07:44:21] <umccullough> pretty much just a tourist trap[07:45:18] <Kokito> is this where you are luroh? > http://kauai.hyatt.com/hyatt/hotels/[07:45:54] <luroh> Kokito: yes[07:46:17] <Kokito> luroh, I would not mind trading places :P[07:46:41] <DHowett> ah wow, nice[07:46:44] <umccullough> speaking of hyatt[07:46:48] <DHowett> luroh; is everything really that reflective?[07:47:07] <luroh> hehe[07:47:14] <umccullough> i stayed here for a couple days recently: http://hyatthighlands.hyatt.com/hyatt/hotels/index.jsp[07:47:28] <luroh> well, it's got a theme park flavour[07:47:46] <DHowett> umccullough: niice[07:47:50] <luroh> "deutschneyland", we call it in sweden[07:48:30] <Kokito> umccullough, did you bring your own drinking watter with you? :)[07:49:00] <umccullough> nah, we drank sea water instead ;)[07:49:09] <Kokito> luroh, welcome to "yankilandia" (that's how some call the US in south america) :P[07:49:11] <umccullough> i hate drinking water away from home[07:49:11] <luroh> carmel, that's not too far from where you live, umccullough, right?[07:49:19] <umccullough> luroh, about 4 hour drive[07:49:21] <luroh> Kokito: hehe :P[07:49:50] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[07:50:44] <luroh> i'm not going to BG next year if you aren't, umccullough[07:50:49] <luroh> just so you know :P[07:50:58] <umccullough> lol[07:51:05] <umccullough> why?[07:51:11] <luroh> and i'll blame you[07:51:14] <umccullough> jeez[07:51:29] * umccullough will have to figure out how to travel to europe[07:51:44] <umccullough> can't have anyone blaming me for their failure to attend ;)[07:51:48] <Kokito> umccullough, put it on the corporate account :P[07:51:54] <umccullough> yeah...[07:52:03] <DHowett> ;)[07:52:16] <Kokito> "Fly Urias to BG" donation drive!!![07:52:23] <umccullough> convincing my work (and family) to give me the time off will be harder ;)[07:53:17] <luroh> we'll send the boys around, they'll understand[07:53:24] * luroh lights a cohiba[07:53:46] <Kokito> the boys? ooooooohhhh... :P[07:55:31] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[07:56:49] <Kokito> "Bush says economic 'panic' easing"[07:56:56] <Kokito> yeah right...[07:57:19] <DHowett> I'm still panicking. :P[07:57:28] <DHowett> Welcome to Economy Debug Land...[07:57:32] <DHowett> :)[07:57:43] <umccullough> my stocks are back up to only being ~40% down :)[07:58:28] <umccullough> ~ = approximately[07:58:33] <DHowett> Oh.[07:58:35] <DHowett> Stupid font.[07:58:36] <umccullough> circa[07:58:38] <umccullough> ;)[07:58:52] <DHowett> Due to hinting, this font shows ~ as a couple-pixels-longer -[07:58:53] <Kokito> umccullough, it's all in your head. you have not lost/gained anything until you sell.[07:59:05] <umccullough> Kokito, that's true[07:59:36] <umccullough> thus what it means to be "in for the long-term"[07:59:42] * luroh pulled out of all insane markets 2 years ago, thinking it would crash sooner than it actually did[07:59:58] <DHowett> luroh: But it did crash, and that's all you needed to be right on ;)[07:59:59] <umccullough> premature withdrawl?[08:00:03] <Kokito> so unless you plan to retire at the age of 30, you should be OK :)[08:00:06] * umccullough snickers[08:00:11] <luroh> :P[08:00:27] <DHowett> Would it be bad to invest before things spring back up? I mean. Jeez. The moment I get old enough and decide to consider playing stocks, this happens.[08:00:27] <DHowett> :P[08:00:54] <umccullough> DHowett, it may be a good opportunity for someone who is willing to take a risk[08:01:05] *** Qu4Z has joined #haiku[08:01:05] <DHowett> Sounds like me ;)[08:01:05] <DHowett> hehe[08:01:27] <umccullough> i'm out of $ personally...so i don't have anything more to gamble with ;)[08:01:30] <DHowett> hehe[08:01:58] <umccullough> yeah, just checked: my total market value is 43% of what i paid[08:02:11] <DHowett> wow[08:02:12] <umccullough> sorry, i mean down 43%[08:02:18] <umccullough> so, 57% of what i paid[08:03:11] <umccullough> it was as low as 52% at one point[08:03:30] <Kokito> time to sleep here[08:03:33] <Kokito> night folks[08:03:40] <luroh> g'night Kokito[08:03:43] <umccullough> granted, a large part of that is poor performance stocks that have been on the decline for the last year ;P[08:03:43] *** Kokito has quit IRC[08:04:01] <DHowett> Couldn't stay away, that koki.. :)[08:05:17] <luroh> if it's not money that you need, you're good[08:05:19] <umccullough> heh[08:05:29] <umccullough> well...[08:05:32] <Gareth> ahoy[08:05:44] <luroh> in a year or so, it will climb back up[08:06:25] <umccullough> unfortunately i've had a moneypit i've been dumping money into recently...that could turn out to be a problem[08:06:36] <umccullough> since it's realestate :([08:07:02] <DHowett> =\[08:07:12] <luroh> i was just about to say that[08:07:39] <umccullough> but at least we're done renovating it, and it's ready for sale now[08:07:43] <luroh> that will take longer to regain traction[08:07:47] <umccullough> i think the listing went on the market today[08:07:54] <luroh> oh, you're selling?[08:08:04] <umccullough> not the house i'm living in now, no[08:08:07] <luroh> oh[08:08:20] <luroh> i see[08:08:27] <umccullough> kinda complicated...inheritance related[08:08:41] <umccullough> multiple people involved :([08:09:03] <luroh> yeah i can relate to that[08:09:03] <umccullough> and money owed on it as well :P[08:09:43] *** sprma has joined #haiku[08:10:06] <umccullough> i'm pretty strapped atm... fortunately i've got some personal loans from family propping me up[08:10:33] <umccullough> but anyhow...that's boring stuff ;)[08:10:53] <umccullough> got new haiku rev running on my c2d[08:11:16] <DHowett> nice :)[08:12:06] <luroh> ![08:12:06] <umccullough> time to get sources and build haiku to see how quick it is[08:12:06] <umccullough> brb[08:12:06] <luroh> with networking?[08:12:07] *** umccullough_h has joined #haiku[08:12:09] <umccullough_h> seems quick[08:12:16] * luroh is staying up late to work on his jet lag[08:12:32] <umccullough_h> you're two hours behind me ;)[08:12:44] <umccullough_h> it's like 9:13 there isn't it?[08:12:55] <luroh> it's no fun around here, waking up at 1 a.m.[08:13:05] <luroh> 8:13[08:13:10] <umccullough_h> eh?[08:13:17] <umccullough_h> no daylight savings?[08:13:38] <luroh> GMT -11, i believe[08:13:57] <umccullough> hmm...[08:14:00] <umccullough> thought it was -10[08:14:13] <luroh> it's california -3 hours[08:14:28] <umccullough> well, we're at -7 atm[08:14:32] <umccullough> iirc[08:14:35] <luroh> hum :p[08:14:53] <umccullough> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Daylight_Time[08:15:23] <luroh> http://www.worldtimezone.com[08:16:15] <umccullough> yeah, two timezones over, but we're on daylight savings[08:16:41] <umccullough> so instead of -8, we're actually at -7 right now[08:17:10] <umccullough> i guess i just assumed hawaii was daylight time also ;)[08:17:16] <luroh> ah ok, so i'm at -12 + dst[08:17:30] <umccullough> no, hawaii is gmt-10[08:17:31] <luroh> i think i am...[08:17:56] <umccullough> we're usually -8 in CA[08:18:12] <umccullough> get some sleep ;)[08:18:17] <luroh> oh, so hawaii is not on dst?[08:18:22] <umccullough> right[08:18:31] <luroh> well, it's still only 8:19 :P[08:18:36] <umccullough> see on that map it shows teh los angeles time?[08:18:41] <luroh> yes[08:18:42] <umccullough> and it has the little yellow DST above it?[08:18:48] <luroh> aah :P[08:18:53] <umccullough> but at the bottom it says we're GMT-8[08:19:00] <umccullough> and it says hawaii is gmt-10[08:19:05] <umccullough> but it's 3 hours apart :P[08:19:08] <luroh> it was this map that threw me off http://www.worldtimezone.com/wtz011.php[08:19:12] <umccullough> i hate daylight time[08:19:30] <luroh> it says "dst" in yellow, and honolulu is in yellow...[08:19:58] <umccullough> ah, i see[08:20:05] <umccullough> yeah, none of those places are DST[08:20:10] <luroh> right[08:20:19] <luroh> they just don't give a fuck[08:20:35] <umccullough> they hate you[08:20:39] <luroh> probably[08:21:03] <umccullough> i always remembered it as alaska being one timezone behind me, and hawaii being two[08:21:16] <umccullough> cuz the USA spans 6 (!) timezones[08:21:34] <DHowett> o_o[08:21:37] <luroh> st johns, canada is just silly, i recall[08:21:45] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[08:21:47] <luroh> it's GMT -4.5 or something like that[08:22:02] <luroh> i mean, who the hell cares :P[08:22:05] <umccullough> yeah, half-timezones are funky[08:22:26] <umccullough> talk about self-centered ;)[08:22:51] <luroh> :P[08:28:33] * luroh takes a $.25 sip of delicious fiji water[08:31:48] <umccullough> http://www.mineralwaters.org/[08:32:00] <umccullough> http://www.pmgeiser.ch/mineral/index.php?func=ratings&parval=brands[08:32:21] <umccullough> it's apparently not rated the best ;)[08:32:28] <luroh> haha[08:32:40] <luroh> well, it's artesian ;D[08:32:57] * luroh has no idea what that means[08:33:16] <geist> doesn't that mean it comes up on it's own?[08:33:44] <umccullough> apparently the carbon footprint of fiji water is pretty bad[08:33:46] <umccullough> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIJI_water[08:34:01] <umccullough> you're destroying the environment by drinking it[08:34:25] <luroh> oh, wikipedia says you're right geist, it's a natural well sort of thing[08:34:27] * umccullough boycott's luroh[08:34:49] <umccullough> boycotts even[08:34:52] * geist is satisfied: once again right[08:35:41] <umccullough> we have a pretty famous artesian well not far from here[08:35:53] <umccullough> "bitney springs"[08:36:05] <umccullough> people come from sacramento to fill up gallons and gallons from there[08:36:15] <umccullough> an hour drive to get water ;)[08:36:18] * geist throws a tantrum and tosses the computer across the room[08:36:41] <umccullough> sad part is...nobody around here drinks from it since it was tested positive for giardia years ago[08:36:50] <geist> we built a tower to the sky today[08:37:00] <geist> right to the light[08:37:03] <geist> but it fell[08:39:07] * luroh flies back to return the bottle of fiji water[08:40:24] <geist> http://tkgeisel.com/pics/Palm/tower/1224550392546.jpg[08:40:28] <umccullough> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTaqo3zOBIc[08:40:50] <DHowett> geist: Nice.[08:41:15] <DHowett> I bet geist is the really tall one made of cups[08:41:16] <DHowett> oh, wait. :P[08:41:28] <geist> the gross part is they were all used cups out of one guy's cube[08:41:39] <DHowett> ew.[08:41:40] <luroh> haha[08:41:43] <geist> so they all had chunks of dried coffee and whatnot[08:42:31] <umccullough> i'm guessing geist is the one taking the picture ;)[08:42:36] <geist> you got it[08:42:50] <geist> http://tkgeisel.com/pics/Palm/tower/1224551111030.jpg[08:42:57] <umccullough> that's nice carpet[08:43:06] <DHowett> umccullough: Made of cups. :P[08:43:18] <umccullough> is i really that color? or was the lighting bad?[08:43:53] <geist> the first pic is pretty accurate[08:43:56] <geist> it's a grody brown[08:47:07] <geist> it's just the cheezy camera on a G1[08:47:16] <umccullough> heh[08:47:26] <umccullough> is the G1 fun?[08:47:31] <geist> not particularly[08:47:46] <umccullough> sorta disappointing then?[08:47:50] <geist> yeah[08:48:06] <umccullough> hardware wise, software wise, or both?[08:48:12] <geist> both[08:48:15] <umccullough> yay[08:48:16] <DHowett> :([08:48:27] <DHowett> time to hack haiku onto my razr v3m then.[08:48:27] <geist> though no doubt sw will get better[08:48:35] <geist> hw of course is stuck[08:48:49] <geist> but we compete with em, so it's hard to get too excited[08:48:55] <geist> but i'm not particularly concerned[08:48:59] <umccullough> heh[08:49:17] <umccullough> "dooderz, we totally pwn their asses"[08:49:29] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[08:50:02] <DHowett> Dooderz?[08:50:04] <DHowett> XD[08:50:09] <umccullough> i still don't carry a cell phone[08:50:18] <geist> umccullough is hard core like that[08:50:31] <geist> he carries a pager and an AK[08:50:36] <umccullough> nah, no pager[08:50:45] <umccullough> ...no comment on the AK[08:50:45] <geist> glock glock[08:51:53] <umccullough> i carry a GPRS walkie-talkie :)[08:57:24] <luroh> i finally got the neo freerunner i ordered half a year ago[08:57:27] <CIA-60> julun * r28256 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/print/drivers/pdf/source/ (AdvancedSettingsWindow.cpp DocInfoWindow.cpp): * fix broken interface caused due to our changes to BMenuField, BTextControl[08:57:44] <luroh> man, talk about unstable sw[08:59:05] <luroh> the wifi wasn't even remotely working[09:00:28] <luroh> slow boot, constant reboots needed[09:00:49] <luroh> but the hi-res display is impressive, i must say[09:04:31] *** Stefan100 has joined #haiku[09:04:45] <AndrevS> 'llo[09:15:30] *** Euver has joined #haiku[09:19:34] *** umccullough_h has quit IRC[09:29:43] <luroh> "The trophozoite form of Giardia was first observed in 1681 by Antonie van Leeuwenhoek in his own diarrhea stools."[09:30:12] <luroh> so he was sitting on the answer all the time[09:30:25] *** luroh has quit IRC[09:33:31] *** AndrevS has quit IRC[09:42:04] <umccullough> deinitely sleep tie[09:42:06] <umccullough> time[09:50:28] *** Qu4Z has quit IRC[10:16:06] * JonathanThompson bounces DHowett like a rubber ball[10:16:26] * DHowett skitters off under some old bit of furniture like 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Setting the thread priority was the[14:36:15] <CIA-60> only situation in which it was used.[14:36:15] <CIA-60> * Renamed scheduler.cpp to scheduler_simple.cpp.[14:36:16] <CIA-60> * The scheduler functions are no longer called directly. Instead there's[14:36:19] <CIA-60> an operation vector now, which is initialized at kernel init time.[14:37:00] <CIA-60> axeld * r28263 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/acpi/oshaiku.c:[14:37:00] <CIA-60> * AcpiOsReadPciConfiguration() always return AE_ERROR as all "break"s were[14:37:00] <CIA-60> missing.[14:39:46] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[14:44:55] *** Animal-X has joined #haiku[14:57:52] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[15:02:41] *** SunWuKung|away has joined #haiku[15:10:28] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[15:13:31] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[15:20:09] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[15:36:42] <NeonLicht> how can I check whether or not Haiku supports a hardware device? What I actually want is to know whether or not the D-Link DWL-122 wifi adapter is supported[15:40:56] <MindChild> BADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGERBADGER[15:41:11] <Ingenu> .[15:42:01] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[15:42:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[15:42:08] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[15:44:40] *** lavo96 has joined #haiku[15:46:58] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[15:47:08] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[15:47:30] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[16:02:40] <[1]helf> GOOOOOOOD MOOOOOOOOORRRRNIIIIIIINNNGGG![16:02:55] <DeadYak> hiya helf[16:04:41] *** SunWuKung|away is now known as SunWuKung|away|a[16:28:17] * [1]helf punches umccullough[16:30:23] <[1]helf> I didn't get to bed until like 2:30 and had to get up at 5:45 to take my dad to his truck. bleh[16:30:29] * [1]helf doesn't want to be at work[16:31:47] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[16:32:01] *** [1]helf is now known as helf[16:34:37] *** lavo96 has quit IRC[16:42:04] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[16:43:56] *** leszek has joined #haiku[16:44:15] <leszek> hi[16:45:04] <helf> morning, leszek[16:49:52] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[16:50:05] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[16:50:30] *** hdanak has quit IRC[16:53:35] *** Megaf has joined #Haiku[16:53:57] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[16:53:58] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[16:54:14] <helf> morning mmu_man[16:54:21] * helf is the resident Door Greeter[16:54:52] <mmu_man> re[16:54:56] <mmu_man> 5pm here...[16:55:30] <helf> 9:56am here[16:57:28] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[17:02:06] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[17:04:55] <thotypous> hi[17:05:06] <mmu_man> ..[17:05:19] * DeadYak plops mmu_man[17:05:32] *** Barrett666_ has joined #haiku[17:08:55] <mmu_man> tea time[17:09:42] *** Zevs has joined #haiku[17:12:41] *** cherrylap has quit IRC[17:13:29] *** Sarmy has joined #haiku[17:14:33] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[17:15:19] *** thotypous has quit IRC[17:19:45] <umccullough> helf, i did what any responsible IRC buddy would ;)[17:19:55] *** Stefan100 has quit IRC[17:19:56] *** Sarmy is now known as Stefan100[17:20:09] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[17:22:09] *** Barrett666_ has quit IRC[17:22:22] <helf> yes, thanks :)[17:22:29] <helf> I forgot to change it after I did that[17:22:40] <umccullough> obviously ;)[17:23:13] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[17:23:51] <helf> Call me Mr. States-the-obvious[17:27:09] *** AndrevS has joined #haiku[17:28:34] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[17:28:52] *** paul0 has quit IRC[17:29:37] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[17:29:51] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[17:29:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[17:33:48] *** daste has joined #haiku[17:39:04] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[17:47:20] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[17:47:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[17:49:00] *** VinDuv|Haiku has joined #haiku[17:50:38] *** Zevs has left #haiku[17:52:11] *** boh666 has joined #haiku[17:56:42] *** thotypous has quit IRC[18:08:25] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:08:37] * JonathanThompson checks the net to see if pink slips have already been officially announced at Yahoo! yet[18:09:19] <helf> fired yet?[18:10:04] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[18:10:18] <JonathanThompson> Day's still young ;)[18:10:49] <helf> heh[18:11:06] <JonathanThompson> If they laid me off with what I understand that last wave got for severance packages, I don't think I'd mind that much.[18:11:48] <helf> heh[18:12:13] *** petterhh has joined #haiku[18:12:27] *** petterhh is now known as petterhj[18:20:08] *** SunWuKung|away|a has quit IRC[18:21:37] <mmu_man> ohh http://www.beatjapan.org/mirror/www.be.com/documentation/user_docs/01_beos_basics.html[18:21:45] <mmu_man> most still valid, would hint for welcome pages[18:25:12] <helf> "That's why Canada's army is a whopping 50,000 strong. And that's[18:25:12] <helf> counting the beavers and canoes.[18:25:13] <helf> "[18:25:14] <helf> lol[18:26:10] * JonathanThompson fears beavers in canoes[18:27:42] <BGA> http://source.android.com/[18:27:48] <BGA> Not related but cool anyway.[18:27:56] <BGA> Android's source code has been released.[18:27:58] * tqh wonders if JonathanThompson lives at a creek.[18:28:12] <BGA> Considering most ex-Be engi9neers worked on it, should be interesting.[18:28:25] * JonathanThompson lives on an island in the middle of a good-sized lake in the Pacific Northwest[18:28:38] <helf> So Be was, in away, able to complete its focus shift :P[18:31:52] <tqh> but using java.awt is such a turnoff. Lets pretend to hide all the threading by one giant awt-thread that needs to do everything.[18:32:12] <tqh> hello swingworker and friends to try to fix threading.[18:33:21] <tqh> hello everyone else complaining java apps are slow when it's just the awt threading that sucks.[18:33:54] <tqh> ok, rant done :)[18:36:01] <tqh> dalvik is probably quite interesting[18:37:57] <NeonLicht> how can I check whether or not Haiku supports a hardware device? What I actually want is to know whether or not the D-Link DWL-122 wifi adapter is supported[18:38:50] <BGA> NeonLicht, there is no support for wi-fi right now.[18:39:06] <DeadYak> tqh: Android's SDK uses AWT?[18:39:11] <DeadYak> I got the impression it used its own frameworks[18:39:16] <helf> android is java based period, isnt it?[18:39:36] <NeonLicht> oh, BGA :([18:39:44] <DeadYak> java the language doesn't imply that you're also using the frameworks in the JDK[18:39:52] <helf> oh :][18:40:00] <DeadYak> the sidekick uses Java for instance but it's not even remotely using the sun classes[18:40:06] <tqh> DeadYak, I looked at the base framework module so yes. Although it's not 'certified' java[18:40:17] <DeadYak> tqh: seems to run pretty nicely so far[18:40:30] <tqh> this one: frameworks/base Core Android app framework libraries[18:40:46] <DeadYak> I still need to grab the SDK, haven't had a chance yet[18:40:53] <BGA> Also, we use Java but with a very different VM.[18:40:56] <DeadYak> been spending way too much quality time with the kernel debugger the past few days[18:41:00] <BGA> That was designed for mobile devices.[18:41:07] <BGA> So it is faster than you would think.[18:41:09] <BGA> :)[18:41:25] <tqh> http://android.kernel.org/?p=platform/frameworks/base.git;a=commit;h=54b6cfa9a9e5b861a9930af873580d6dc20f773c[18:41:52] <DeadYak> ah[18:42:05] <mmu_man> BGA wow, cool :)[18:42:28] <tqh> that's dalvik btw.[18:42:29] <mmu_man> git...[18:42:32] <mmu_man> less cool ;)[18:42:47] <tqh> it's confusing though :)[18:43:46] <mmu_man> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Widget_engine[18:43:52] <mmu_man> they didn't even mention replicants[18:43:55] <mmu_man> shrug[18:44:02] *** VinDuv|Haiku has quit IRC[18:44:41] <BGA> tqh: The pointis, the API is supposed to be familiar but the way it is handled internally differes considerably.[18:44:43] <tqh> mmu_man, they didn't? It's at the bottom[18:44:50] <mmu_man> cause I just added it[18:44:56] <tqh> mmu_man, ah cool[18:44:58] <mmu_man> and it's not on the actual page[18:45:01] <mmu_man> it's the discussion[18:46:24] <tqh> BGA, yes, but awt is flawed by design (nothing that can't be fixed though), so a modified one might actually be better in the long run. (Hello AWTLooper :)[18:47:33] <helf> I have $4.45 until this friday[18:47:34] <helf> yet again[18:47:38] <helf> How do I manage it? :P[18:47:56] <tqh> anyway it probably beat anything the other guys are doing with mobiles. I hear symbian is a reaal PITA.[18:48:01] <BGA> tqh, :)[18:48:38] <helf> I haven't liked the Androids interface.. from what I've seen of it. haven't gotten to use it yet.[18:48:58] <MindChild> I got a $10k raise yesterday and a $2k bonus check[18:49:06] <helf> I hate you[18:49:08] <tqh> hehe, they already included swingworker to work around the problem[18:49:40] <MindChild> I'd hate me too. Especially since I didn;t ask for it[18:49:41] <helf> MindChild, I havent gotten back to you on that stuff since I haven't had the money to go buy packing supplies and get final weights :P[18:49:53] <helf> that puts you in another tax bracket, doesnt it?[18:50:10] <MindChild> helf: Did you figure out what it will cost? Ill just paypal you the money[18:50:23] <MindChild> helf: yeah. Im paying buttloads in medicare taxes now[18:50:42] <helf> lame[18:50:57] <helf> hold on a sec. ill double check it.[18:55:43] <mmu_man> BGA it won't beat Haiku though... http://embedded.hug-nordic.org/[18:56:34] *** wildur has quit IRC[18:56:50] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[18:57:20] <chandler> mmu_man: hey! finally saw what you were doing with NetSurf. Looks very cool.[18:57:29] <mmu_man> :)[18:57:47] <chandler> I downloaded and tried it on GTK+ - looks like a good successor to NetPositive, but it needed a little multithreading love on network access[18:57:53] <tqh> I've heard android runs on Walter.[18:58:12] <chandler> Will NetSurf work on R5 too?[18:59:26] <mmu_man> chandler it does[18:59:29] <mmu_man> on BONE at least[18:59:38] <mmu_man> likely won't even build on net_server[18:59:39] <BGA> mmu_man, we have a long way to go before being able to run on a phone.[18:59:46] <mmu_man> not that much[18:59:49] <BGA> We still use a lot more memory than we should.[19:00:01] <PulkoMandy> look at modern phones :)[19:00:05] <BGA> Not to mention the specific hardware support required.[19:00:08] <mmu_man> just need to get axel and ingo in a basement for few more weeks :)[19:00:11] <chandler> mmu_man: oh. I do not have/use BONE (unwilling to use it illegally)[19:00:15] <BGA> *AND* decent power management.[19:00:29] <chandler> BGA: just wait for phones to catch up :-)[19:00:31] <tqh> moar power![19:00:33] <mmu_man> well, openmoko has a patch for qemu that emulates the Neo phone[19:01:07] <mmu_man> chandler sorry, but it will certainly not work, it uses curl library, which makes a good use of select() calls,[19:01:21] <mmu_man> and the gui code itself uses select() to serialize messages in pipes[19:01:37] <mmu_man> BGA go code :p[19:02:05] <tqh> mmu_man, so libcurl is in decent shape on Haiku?[19:02:26] <mmu_man> well the bone build works fine[19:02:43] <tqh> ah, that's good to know.[19:02:59] <Monni> Haiku needs to shrink below 64 MB to work on decent mobile phones...[19:03:01] <mmu_man> with a patched patch from haikuports[19:03:05] <mmu_man> had to hack a bit[19:03:13] <tqh> always patch the patch![19:03:19] <helf> they need to stop being cheap asses and give phones 1gb or mor eof memory[19:03:22] <helf> not like its expensive[19:03:24] <mmu_man> Monni shouldn't be too ahrd[19:03:44] <mmu_man> first don't start by allocating 16MB just for kernel heap at boot[19:03:48] <Monni> my phone has 64 MB ram, 128 MB nand and 2 GB external flash[19:03:55] <helf> "if we spend an extra $10 on gobs of memory, we have to up the price of the unit $500!"[19:03:56] <chandler> helf: it's expensive in terms of power, and most of the chips don't have a memory controller that works for that[19:04:05] <helf> chandler, oh yeah[19:04:17] <helf> stop giving phones tiny 900mAh batts :P[19:04:38] <mmu_man> just make phones with a wheel+dynano[19:04:45] <helf> I'm apparently in the minority of phone users. I don't mind carying around a brick[19:04:46] <tqh> and stop faking the battery indicator[19:04:50] <chandler> and yes, any $1 increase in parts will turn into a $4 increase in sticker price[19:04:55] <BGA> Or we could just put a GSM chipset in a laptop. :)[19:05:02] <mmu_man> lol[19:05:03] <BGA> Not very convenient to use tough. :)[19:05:06] <chandler> helf: nokia makes that, it's called the E90 :-)[19:05:09] <Monni> mmu_man: they already sell cranks for powering cell phones ;)[19:05:11] <helf> chandler, i know :][19:05:14] <helf> ive been drooling over it[19:05:20] <helf> but its GSM only[19:05:24] <helf> I use a CDMA network[19:05:43] * BGA has an Android phone since 3 months ago. :)[19:05:44] <mmu_man> anyway, need to finish m68k, then arm[19:05:59] <Monni> BGA: modern laptops have gsm compatible chipsets ;) support upto hsdpa[19:06:01] <BGA> mmu_man, No![19:06:05] <helf> bga: how are you liking it so far?[19:06:12] <BGA> mmu_man, OSS -> m68k -> ARM[19:06:33] * tqh thinks arm, OSS, m68k[19:06:35] <BGA> helf, I love it, but my opinion is a suspect one. ?)[19:06:37] <BGA> :)[19:06:59] <tqh> what linux version is it?[19:07:12] <BGA> tqh?[19:07:25] <tqh> it uses the linux kernel afaik[19:07:29] <mmu_man> OSS should be able to use MC97 codecs[19:07:43] <mmu_man> just need to port some softmodem code[19:07:57] <BGA> tqh, yes. it is the latest kernel.[19:08:00] <BGA> WHatever it is.[19:08:06] <BGA> latest stable kernel, I mean.[19:08:08] <mmu_man> actually I ported linmodem (from Fabrice Bellard (qemu, ffmpeg...)), but it's limited to 2400 bauds :-([19:08:19] <tqh> ah so a fairly new 2.6 then[19:08:20] <mmu_man> (to BONE)[19:08:23] <BGA> mmu_man, no. you just need to fix it. :P[19:08:24] <BGA> :)[19:08:45] <mmu_man> no, I need to write select() support to use it in linmodem[19:09:09] <tqh> all I want for Haiku right now is wifi and gcc4 :)[19:09:14] <mmu_man> I just did an svn up on the laptop[19:09:20] <mmu_man> need to jam[19:09:51] <helf> BGA, im reserving judgement until i get to play with it :P[19:10:29] <mmu_man> BGA tried adding osstest to Bootscript ?[19:10:34] <tqh> ah 2.6.25 seems to be the latest merge into android[19:11:02] <tqh> btw way cool about the coming synaptics driver for Haiku.[19:11:17] <BGA> mmu_man, Nope. I remember you saying you would do that. :)[19:11:26] <mmu_man> k[19:12:45] *** Megaf has quit IRC[19:13:32] <tqh> so are there any iphone-like apperance android phones yet?[19:13:56] <mmu_man> BGA did they try porting to FreeRunner yet ?[19:14:00] <mmu_man> they have a qemu diff[19:14:04] <BGA> The only android phone is the T-Mobile G1.[19:14:08] *** MauriceK has joined #haiku[19:14:15] <BGA> But it seems Samsung and Motorola are at it.[19:14:16] <tqh> with the slidy thing?[19:14:16] <helf> which is fugly :P[19:14:23] <mmu_man> I suppose I could do it since we now have the src[19:14:40] <helf> bga : hows the slidy thing on the G1?[19:14:44] <BGA> mmu_man, nope.[19:14:46] <tqh> samsung might be pretty cool. They have nice hardware.[19:15:08] <BGA> helf, it is not. Really. You should play with one to see.[19:15:23] <helf> none of the local phone stores has one yet :([19:15:33] <helf> s/has/have[19:15:46] <BGA> Shame on them! I am in Brazil and I already have one! ;)[19:15:59] <BGA> Of course I had it since long before it was released. ;)[19:17:51] <tqh> funny how the google engineers seem to have google phones ;)[19:18:13] <mmu_man> I wonder how many apple ones have iphones :)[19:18:53] <tqh> when I was consulting at Ericsson, employees had Ericsson, all consultants had Nokia :)[19:19:05] <mmu_man> :p[19:20:16] <Monni> difference between Ericsson and Nokia phone is that Ericsson constantly tries to find network, Nokia doesn't even try ;)[19:21:24] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[19:22:42] <mmu_man> lol[19:22:49] <thotypous> hi[19:22:50] <Monni> good joke is that when you bring Nokia phone to Sweden, it thinks it's in Estonia or one of the other Baltic countries... signal travels better from there than local links...[19:23:45] <mmu_man> aw[19:24:56] <Monni> when I was cruising to Stockholm, my cell phone "found" dozen networks and only two were Swedish...[19:25:29] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[19:25:57] <tqh> bah Stockholm, is not so important :)[19:26:06] *** idefix_xifedi has quit IRC[19:30:02] <Monni> Stockholm is closest Swedish port from here...[19:30:55] <tqh> it's 1000km to the south from here :)[19:31:49][19:44:46] *** adb has joined #haiku[19:48:13] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[19:50:39] *** Euver has joined #haiku[20:03:25] *** boh666 has quit IRC[20:04:37] *** Megaf has joined #Haiku[20:13:10] *** thotypous has quit IRC[20:17:25] <tqh> in svn builds are asserts supposed to trigger kdl?[20:17:29] <DeadYak> yes.[20:17:35] <DeadYak> if you have kdebug enabled[20:17:36] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[20:17:38] <DeadYak> which it is by default[20:17:43] <DeadYak> (for now)[20:18:03] <CIA-60> mmu_man * r28264 /haiku/trunk/data/artwork/icons/App_Mail_None: An empty version of the mail box icon, with the flag down. Might be used for the Deskbar replicant.[20:18:12] <DeadYak> BGA: is there an ssh client for this thing?[20:18:27] <tqh> ok, then I have an assert in BPrivate:hoardHeap:freeBlock[20:19:02] <tqh> from MouseDevice::_RemoveDevice[20:19:24] <DeadYak> tqh: ah, that's not KDL, that's the fake_app_server in gdb[20:19:41] <DeadYak> tqh: same as ticket 2894?[20:20:02] <tqh> lets look. Dunno what a fake app_server is doing though[20:20:29] <DeadYak> tqh: that's what's used for the debugging console if one of the critical services like app_server or input_server crashes[20:20:36] <DeadYak> tqh: it's basically a very simple frame buffer console[20:20:51] <tqh> probably the same yes[20:21:23] <tqh> might not like that no mouse is attached, only touchpad[20:21:55] <DeadYak> tqh: could be[20:22:01] <DeadYak> though no mouse should be ok[20:22:18] <mmu_man> damn, they started voting in US[20:22:27] <mmu_man> I demand the right to vote as well[20:22:45] <tqh> mmu_man, yes lets get fake ids and vote :)[20:22:49] <mmu_man> their president will have the power to screw us all, why shouldn't we have our say on that?[20:27:58] <leszek> :)[20:28:09] <DeadYak> mmu_man: only if you let us vote out Sarkozy :P[20:28:26] <DeadYak> though by the sounds of it, you at least wouldn't need much persuading on that :P[20:28:30] * tqh imagines Obama on a mission to screw mmu_man over[20:28:51] <mmu_man> DeadYak well I wish you helped of avoid voting for him[20:29:10] <DeadYak> mmu_man: sorry, not a french citizen :)[20:29:15] <DeadYak> nor a US one for that matter[20:29:40] <tqh> what country are yaks from anyway?[20:29:41] *** Euver has quit IRC[20:29:49] <CIA-60> stippi * r28265 /haiku/trunk/data/artwork/icons/ (4 files):[20:29:49] <CIA-60> A new batch of icons from zuMi! Thanks![20:29:49] <CIA-60> * Slightly worked over the Image Editor icon to improve crispness at 16x16).[20:29:49] <CIA-60> * The shadow of the pendrive could perhaps be improved.[20:29:52] <DeadYak> tqh: austria[20:30:01] <tqh> hmm[20:30:03] <DeadYak> at least me[20:30:07] <tqh> hehe[20:30:10] <DeadYak> I gather most of them are from tibet :P[20:31:24] * mmu_man goes add /bin/osstest; sleep 10 to Bootscript[20:33:47] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[20:34:23] <helf> woo[20:34:32] <helf> Night of the Living Dead remake :D[20:34:41] * helf holds the DVD up in the air and does a twirl[20:34:45] *** tqh2 has joined #haiku[20:47:15] <CIA-60> stippi * r28266 /haiku/trunk/data/artwork/icons/App_Mail_None:[20:47:15] <CIA-60> * Correct perspective of flag and snapped path points to pixels[20:47:15] <CIA-60> * moved flag slightly for better crispness[20:47:15] <CIA-60> Hope you don't mind, nice work, Francois![20:48:10] *** oco has joined #haiku[20:48:37] *** tqh2 has quit IRC[20:49:17] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[20:51:34] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[20:51:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[20:51:40] <helf> gah[20:51:48] <helf> we had /another/ LCD go out today :P[20:51:57] <helf> dropping like flies[20:52:00] <DeadYak> wb mmu_man[20:52:33] <mmu_man> BGA: running osstest at boot works fine[20:52:35] <mmu_man> so it's definitely the media node that drops buffers[20:53:30] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[20:55:13] <BGA> mmu_man, cool! This is progress. So any ideas why it is dropping buffers?[20:56:12] <AlienSoldier> helf i want to buy one, you are scaring me[20:56:37] *** tqh2 has joined #haiku[20:56:56] <Gareth> BGA: howdy.[20:56:59] <mmu_man> BGA it's likely screwed up timing code[20:57:22] <BGA> Gareth, hey![20:57:29] <BGA> mmu_man, care to take a look at it? :)[20:57:34] <mmu_man> sure[20:57:35] <Gareth> BGA: how goes? :)[20:57:48] <BGA> This is like the last user visible annoying bug I still have.[20:57:51] <mmu_man> there is something to define to forbid dropping buffers, should help[20:58:07] <BGA> Gareth, fine. Trying to negotiate attending Scale next year. :P[20:58:13] <Gareth> BGA: nice :)[20:58:22] <Gareth> BGA: Lemme know if I can help at all.[20:58:54] <BGA> Gareth, do you know if we (Google) expressed interest in sponsoring you guys this time?[20:59:03] <BGA> That would certainly make things easier. :)[20:59:56] <Gareth> BGA: I would imagine so...We're in pretty good with the Google Open Source folks (Cat, Chris, Leslie)[21:00:38] *** tqh has quit IRC[21:00:39] *** pulkomandy_ has joined #haiku[21:00:43] <CIA-60> mmu_man * r28267 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/tty/tty.cpp: shut up complaining for something not even Linux supports.[21:00:45] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[21:01:15] <DeadYak> mmu_man: how much work is it modifying our tty stuff to support the graphical charset anyways?[21:01:23] <BGA> If I can get Chris or Leslie to invite me, that would help. So maybe you could let then know that it would be interesting to have a lecture about Haiku.[21:01:30] <mmu_man> DeadYak it's in the Terminal[21:01:31] <BGA> And that I could do it (as I did the past 2 years).[21:01:36] <DeadYak> mmu_man: oh[21:01:44] <mmu_man> I tried to add it once but it wasn't clean[21:01:53] <mmu_man> it just needs to catch the escape codes[21:01:58] <mmu_man> and swap some tables[21:02:00] <mmu_man> mostly[21:02:03] <DeadYak> ah[21:02:19] <Gareth> BGA: I'll pass that along..[21:02:49] <BGA> mmu_man, where do I chage this? (dropping buffers)[21:02:59] <BGA> Gareth, ok. Thanks.[21:05:44] <mmu_man> actually BGA you can try commenting out some stuff in OpenSoundNode::HandleBuffer()[21:06:06] <BGA> Just point me to what I should try and I will do it in about 1 hour.[21:06:10] <BGA> Going home soon.[21:07:27] *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC[21:08:46] *** MauriceK has quit IRC[21:08:54] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[21:09:31] *** tqh has joined #haiku[21:15:11] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[21:15:51] <Kokito> howdy[21:16:26] <tqh2> hi Kokito[21:17:14] <mmu_man> plop[21:17:19] <mmu_man> hey Kokito, how goes it ?[21:18:39] <Kokito> hi all[21:18:46] <Kokito> mmu_man, doing well here[21:19:02] <Kokito> how are you mmu_man?[21:19:29] <mmu_man> still a bit sick, got a cold all through BG :^)[21:19:52] <Kokito> ouch. too much German beer? :P[21:19:58] <mmu_man> not even[21:21:11] <tqh> it's hard to get too much german beer :)[21:21:33] *** BGA has quit IRC[21:21:43] <helf> AlienSoldier, these are viewsonic va702bs[21:21:47] <helf> less than 2 years old[21:21:52] <helf> backlights are failing[21:22:03] <helf> thye are on ALL day long 5 days a week, though.[21:22:13] <AlienSoldier> helf so i was wise to wait for lcd ones :)[21:22:20] <Kokito> tqh, I don't drink, so any amount is too much for me :P[21:22:44] <tqh> ah[21:23:32] <helf> AlienSoldier, viewsonics are supposed to be a good brand.. getting them RMA'd hasnt been an issues. called up tech support, told them what was going on, they asked for the serials, verified they were still under warranty and gave us an RMA number :)[21:23:36] <helf> phone call took all of 10 minutes[21:24:57] <AlienSoldier> i'm still debating if i should get a 30 inch one or settle for a 17 inch and get a led based projector next year[21:25:57] <helf> im getting a 17-19incher probably beginning of next year[21:25:59] <JonathanThompson> It's not the size, but the frequency that counts: make sure you can receive the channels you want :P[21:26:05] <helf> be a waste of pixels for me to get anything larger.[21:26:22] <helf> since the computer that'll be running it only pumps out 1120x832 ;P[21:26:53] <Kokito> helf, Viewsonic has recently refised to repair my LCD monitor because it is out of warranty[21:27:34] <Gareth> Kokito: howdy[21:27:45] <helf> Kokito, ours are just barely still in warranty...[21:28:10] <Kokito> hey Gareth :)[21:28:28] <Gareth> brb. meeting.[21:29:57] <Kokito> helf, yeah, I read your post; I just don't think I would recommend a company like Viewsonic that abandons their customers like they did with me. maybe I am just too old-fashined... :)[21:30:28] *** HaikuwareDev has joined #Haiku[21:31:03] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[21:31:53] <HaikuwareDev> test[21:32:13] <tqh> test completed. All systems normal.[21:32:15] <thotypous> plop[21:32:35] <thotypous> hi tqh :)[21:32:39] <tqh> hi thebolt|away[21:32:41] <tqh> oops[21:32:45] <tqh> hi thotypous[21:33:16] <tqh> never assume two letters is enough for auto-complete :)[21:33:29] *** HaikuwareDev has quit IRC[21:33:38] <thotypous> :P[21:33:48] *** HaikuwareDev has joined #Haiku[21:35:17] <JonathanThompson> test completed. All systems abnormal.[21:35:19] *** sda00 has joined #Haiku[21:35:23] *** HaikuwareDev has quit IRC[21:35:57] *** sda00 has quit IRC[21:36:10] <tqh> JonathanThompson, isn't that normal for you :P[21:36:29] <JonathanThompson> I'm normally abnormal, so all systems normal :P[21:36:32] *** sda00 has joined #Haiku[21:36:49] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[21:36:50] <tqh> exactly :)[21:37:00] <JonathanThompson> I joke at the pizza vendor at the farmer's market that I'm their regular irregular :P[21:37:38] *** sda00 has quit IRC[21:37:44] *** HaikuwareDev has joined #Haiku[21:37:51] <tqh> doesn't that upset the regular irregulars?[21:38:11] <tqh> or the irregular regulars?[21:38:39] *** HaikuwareDev has quit IRC[21:39:02] <JonathanThompson> I'm not worried about them: as long as I get my desired pizza quota, they don't matter that much :P[21:39:13] <JonathanThompson> All that I'm saying, is give pizza chance...[21:39:39] *** sda00 has joined #Haiku[21:39:55] <tqh> I thought it was peas[21:40:34] <chandler> tqh: visualise whirled peas![21:41:13] <tqh> chandler, ha[21:41:16] *** sda00 is now known as sda[21:41:25] <DeadYak> dd if=/dev/zero of=sda[21:42:02] <tqh> DeadYak, this is IRC, terminal is over there ----->[21:42:25] <chandler> dunno, this looks like a terminal to me, just not a shell :-)[21:42:33] *** sda is now known as sda00[21:42:52] <tqh> ok, you try a sudo.[21:44:13] * tqh 's password collecting scheme falls to pieces.[21:44:59] <thotypous> tqh, I had some rendering problems sometimes with firefox.. is it known? is it a firefox port or a haiku bug?[21:46:10] <tqh> thotypous, depends. I havn't seen any lately, but I'm using some rewritten code.[21:46:34] <thotypous> I was using the OptionalPackage firefox[21:46:57] <helf> tqh, get Mr Xs Firefox install if you wanna collect passworsd *rolls eyes*[21:47:28] <DeadYak> thotypous: that one's on the old side at this point[21:47:35] <thotypous> :P[21:47:46] <DeadYak> someone should post an updated one[21:47:48] * DeadYak nudges tqh[21:47:49] <thotypous> it will be updated before Alpha1, right?[21:47:55] <tqh> helf, nah. I better not add that to firefox.[21:48:01] <helf> heh[21:48:19] <tqh> thotypous, that's the plan. Although I'm gcc4 only atm.[21:48:26] <helf> I wonder who he is scamming these days :)[21:48:46] <DeadYak> tqh: as long as the alpha image is hybrid, that's a non-issue[21:49:01] <thotypous> tqh, gcc4? hm, so are you working in firefox3?[21:49:14] <tqh> thotypous, no[21:49:54] <tqh> anyway time to play with it, talk to tqh2 instead :)[21:50:01] *** tqh has quit IRC[21:50:08] <thotypous> :P[21:51:43] <thotypous> bbl[21:51:46] *** thotypous has quit IRC[21:56:09] *** BGA has joined #haiku[21:56:09] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[21:56:22] <BGA> mmu_man: So, what should I change to test?[21:56:45] <DeadYak> [14:06] <mmu_man> actually BGA you can try commenting out some stuff in OpenSoundNode::HandleBuffer()[21:56:46] *** frankps has joined #haiku[21:56:50] * DeadYak pets frankps[21:57:06] * frankps pets DeadYak[21:57:15] <BGA> DeadYak: yeah, I was just wondering if he could be more specific. :)[21:57:22] <BGA> Will check here.[21:57:35] <DeadYak> BGA: I think he mentioned something about an ifdef to refuse dropping packets[21:57:52] <DeadYak> hopefully he's back soon[21:58:01] <helf> Said one mother, "[All I have to do is show it (shock device) to my son and...] he'll automatically comply to whatever my signal command may be, whether it is 'Put on your seatbelt,' or 'Hand me that apple,' or 'Sit appropriately and eat your food,'... It's made him a human being, a civilized human being."[21:58:03] <helf> D:[21:58:07] <helf> that didnt make him a human being[21:58:11] <helf> it made him a dog[22:00:02] <BGA> Heh... Nice check:[22:00:03] <BGA> if (RunMode() != B_OFFLINE[22:00:03] <BGA> // lateness doesn't matter in offline mode...[22:00:03] <BGA> && RunMode() != B_RECORDING[22:00:03] <BGA> // ...or in recording mode[22:00:03] <BGA> && how_early < 0LL[22:00:04] <BGA> && false) {[22:00:11] <DeadYak> ouch.[22:00:12] <BGA> Can you guys spot the problem? :)[22:00:21] <DeadYak> && false? :P[22:00:24] <BGA> Yep.[22:00:25] <BGA> :)[22:00:31] <BGA> I hhope that was intentional. :)[22:00:31] <DeadYak> I'm assuming that's intentional[22:00:45] <BGA> I sure hope so, but then the check is useless.[22:00:47] <DeadYak> iirc there was some stuff commented out because of problematic timing calculations[22:01:35] <BGA> I will compile a debug version and check if I get anything ionteresting.[22:01:36] *** tqh has joined #haiku[22:02:17] <tqh> is anyone here doing gcc2 and gcc4 builds of Haiku using the same tree?[22:02:21] <DeadYak> me.[22:04:09] * BGA does that from time to time[22:10:27] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[22:10:32] <miqlas> Re Guys![22:12:52] <plfiorini> hi frankps[22:12:58] <plfiorini> hi BGA[22:13:04] <plfiorini> hi *[22:13:21] <frankps> hi pliorini[22:13:29] <frankps> szia miqlas[22:13:39] <miqlas> Hello frankps.[22:14:05] <plfiorini> has anyone a transaprent version of http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/haiku/haiku/trunk/docs/welcome/welcome-images/logo.png[22:14:14] <plfiorini> i would like to use it for osdrawer...[22:14:27] <BGA> plfiorini: Hello.[22:14:50] *** flssrswkgd has quit IRC[22:14:55] <miqlas> I'm thinking. If Haiku can't contain any web browser, we have another way... Why Haiku don't contain an script (wget url..bla..bla..bla) to download the Firefox? I always have trouble to found the download link for Firefox.[22:15:33] <tqh> IMO there should be scripts for getting the optional packages from inside haiku.[22:15:34] <miqlas> This is the easyest MIT licensable way i think.[22:15:51] <BGA> brb[22:15:53] *** BGA has left #haiku[22:16:19] <miqlas> tqh, but only if You build the Haiku, right? Then it is useless for the peoples who uses the precompiled haiku image.[22:16:38] <DeadYak> Alpha should make that easier, bear in mind the precompiled images right now are mostly for testing[22:17:00] <pulkomandy_> +++[22:17:10] <tqh> no, no. the scripts to get optional packages should be generated anyway IMO.[22:17:14] *** pulkomandy_ has quit IRC[22:20:17] <CIA-60> julun * r28268 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs):[22:20:17] <CIA-60> * fix wrong cast[22:20:17] <CIA-60> * fix r5 target build[22:20:27] *** tqh2 has quit IRC[22:22:00] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:24:32] *** frankps has quit IRC[22:24:55] <miqlas> DeadYak, yeas, i know it for testing, and i always wgetting the bebits.com index page, and searching for the firefox page, and the link...[22:25:40] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[22:27:54] *** sda00 has quit IRC[22:28:04] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[22:28:20] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[22:28:56] <thotypous> plop[22:30:27] *** NeonLicht has quit IRC[22:31:32] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[22:32:43] *** BGA has joined #haiku[22:32:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[22:33:01] <BGA> Debugging version of OSS shows nothing. :([22:33:08] <BGA> mmu_man?[22:33:15] *** NeonLicht has joined #haiku[22:34:47] <mmu_man> ..[22:35:57] <BGA> mmu_man: So, most of the interesting code in the method you asked me to look into is commented out.[22:37:47] <BGA> Actually, not commented out, but disabled.[22:38:06] <BGA> Also, if I restart media services, audio dies but I get nothing interesting in the debug output[22:38:57] <Kokito> BGA!!![22:39:54] <BGA> Kokito: Hey.[22:40:11] <BGA> Oh well... Have other stuff to do here. See ya all.[22:40:30] *** BGA has quit IRC[22:48:32] <CIA-60> mmu_man * r28269 /haiku/trunk/data/artwork/icons/App_XEmacs: A naive icon for XEmacs[22:50:38] *** flssrswkgd has joined #haiku[22:51:04] <leszek> n8[22:51:09] *** leszek has quit IRC[22:51:54] *** boh666 has joined #haiku[22:54:45] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[22:56:26] <CIA-60> mauricek * r28270 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/magnify/Magnify.h: Whitespace cleanup.[22:58:33] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[22:58:59] *** petterhj has quit IRC[23:02:13] *** senry-user has quit IRC[23:16:14] <oco> mmu_man : Hi ! you took the time to finally finish the XEmacs port to Haiku ? ;-)[23:16:29] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[23:16:51] <DeadYak> hi dr_evil[23:19:53] <mmu_man> hmm not yet :p[23:20:04] <mmu_man> but I have an icon now :)[23:22:06] <oco> :)[23:22:06] *** helf has quit IRC[23:22:52] *** sprma has quit IRC[23:22:55] <CIA-60> mmu_man * r28271 /haiku/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs):[23:23:10] <DeadYak> mmu_man: I thought you had timers working?[23:23:11] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[23:24:08] <mmu_man> timer implemented, not system_time yet[23:24:21] <DeadYak> ah[23:25:03] <DeadYak> sorry, I thought that was what you'd worked on[23:27:07] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[23:27:58] <mmu_man> yes but that fixes the build[23:28:19] <DeadYak> I meant I thought you'd already worked on system_time() during the code sprint[23:28:44] <mmu_man> yes I thought about possibler impl[23:28:53] <mmu_man> just need the code now[23:30:17] <DeadYak> mmu_man: btw, naive icon? :)[23:30:47] <mmu_man> StyledEdit + "XE" + some parens (lisp like)[23:31:01] <DeadYak> so you meant naive, not native? :)[23:31:51] <mmu_man> yes[23:32:15] <Stefan100> t-t-t-t-t-t-timers[23:32:16] <DeadYak> oh :)[23:32:38] <mmu_man> it's hard to explain all of XEmacs in an icon ;)[23:32:51] <mmu_man> it's an OS :D[23:32:53] <DeadYak> hahah[23:33:04] <DeadYak> use a photo of RMS as icon? :P[23:33:10] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[23:33:14] <chandler> no way, that's the icon for Emacs[23:33:17] <chandler> not for those splitters[23:33:29] <DeadYak> fair enough[23:35:22] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[23:35:59] * DeadYak pets Begasus[23:36:25] <Begasus> meep ;)[23:36:26] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[23:36:27] <Begasus> evening peeps[23:36:31] <CIA-60> mauricek * r28272 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/magnify/ (Magnify.cpp Magnify.h):[23:39:48] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[23:44:47] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[23:45:25] <oco> mmu_man : maybe you could add a "*" in the XEmacs icon ;-)[23:47:55] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28273 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/arch/x86/arch_vm_translation_map.cpp:[23:47:55] <CIA-60> Style changes:[23:47:55] <CIA-60> * Renamed static variables.[23:47:55] <CIA-60> * Enforced 80 columns limit.[23:52:34] *** Kokito has quit IRC[23:58:32] *** Ingenu has quit IRC