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[00:01:07] <Rakhun> thotypous: if you've got a 256mb or bigger USB memory stick you could simply dd it onto there to run it on real hardware
[00:01:36] <thotypous> Rakhun, I can partition an USB stick too, right?
[00:01:46] <mmu_man> DeadYak seems there were several ones actually :)
[00:02:20] <Rakhun> well, the haiku image needs to be dd'd onto /dev/sdX directly, so it won't work with partitions
[00:02:47] <Rakhun> except maybe with chainloading to the partition
[00:02:55] <thotypous> yep
[00:03:07] <thotypous> does the raw image has a partition table?
[00:04:04] <Rakhun> I don't know
[00:04:10] <mmu_man> no
[00:04:12] <mmu_man> it doesn't
[00:04:18] <mmu_man> it's a *partition* image
[00:04:40] <thotypous> ok, so dd if=haiku.image of=/dev/sda1 should work?
[00:04:50] <thotypous> then chainload it from GRUB
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[00:05:28] <HeTo> thotypous: Haiku boot loader still has a block list which is offset from the beginning of the drive
[00:05:50] <HeTo> so you need to run makebootable after that, I think
[00:07:21] <thotypous> 512MB image should be enough when including all optional packages, right?
[00:10:45] <thotypous> by now I will raw copy the image in the USB stick, but this is my only USB stick.. I will have to find a way to partition it later
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[00:13:01] <thotypous> lucky enough, perhaps haiku supports my gigabit ethernet card
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[00:28:45] <thotypous> argh, it crashed and my cellphone camera was at low resolution
[00:29:15] <thotypous> the crash photos got creepy
[00:29:26] <thotypous> let me set it high resolution and take the shots again
[00:30:39] <thotypous> ok, now stuff is readable, brb
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[00:39:30] <thotypous> done
[00:39:32] <thotypous> shots taken
[00:39:54] <thotypous> http://basalto.ifsc.usp.br/~paulo_matias/haiku-stuff/crash-nec-versa/
[00:40:32] <thotypous> ide_irq_handler
[00:41:41] <thotypous> http://dev.haiku-os.org/attachment/ticket/2349/Haiku_r25834_gcc2_c2d_boot.txt
[00:41:47] <thotypous> perhaps the same crash
[00:41:51] <thotypous> right?
[00:42:45] <thotypous> http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/25834
[00:42:52] <thotypous> maybe reverting that should help?
[00:44:35] <DeadYak> 25834? why are you running that old a build?
[00:44:48] <umccullough> :O
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[00:44:55] <thotypous> DeadYak, I'm running the latest one
[00:45:05] <thotypous> I will try to revert the 25834 change
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[00:45:20] <thotypous> perhaps their crash is the same as mine
[00:45:22] <umccullough> that's like 3000 revs back
[00:45:25] <umccullough> :)
[00:45:30] <umccullough> aren't we at 28xxx now?
[00:45:35] <DeadYak> yes
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[00:45:48] <AnEvilYak> Haiku leviathan 1 r28242 Oct 18 2008 21:44:02 BePC Haiku
[00:47:04] <umccullough> heh, that's a link to my bootlog ;)
[00:47:16] <umccullough> i thought th filename looked familiarish
[00:47:24] <AnEvilYak> that problem's fixed on yours since then, no?
[00:47:37] * umccullough looks at hte ticket
[00:48:11] <thotypous> umccullough, mine is perhaps getting the same crash: http://basalto.ifsc.usp.br/~paulo_matias/haiku-stuff/crash-nec-versa/
[00:48:11] <umccullough> actually...
[00:48:11] <DeadYak> ah right, the MTRR thing
[00:48:28] <umccullough> IIRC, the MTRR thing was not necessarily related to the crash
[00:48:38] <thotypous> should I revert changeset 25834 or do something else? :P
[00:48:42] <umccullough> switching from ide to ata fixed the KDL
[00:48:48] <umccullough> read the comments
[00:49:17] <umccullough> thotypous, why would you think that that rev was the cause?
[00:49:24] <umccullough> that just happened to be the rev i tested, doesn't mean anything
[00:49:38] <DeadYak> yeah, try switching bus managers
[00:49:55] <DeadYak> that revision's changes have nothing at all to do with IDE KDLing
[00:49:57] <dr_evil> mmu_man could you check something in the zeta IDE code?
[00:49:59] <umccullough> definitely, the "ide" bus_manager causes those crashes pretty easily
[00:50:05] <mmu_man> sure
[00:50:22] <thotypous> aaah :P ok... I was just distracted hehe
[00:50:28] <thotypous> thanks
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[00:51:56] <umccullough> damn, did you take those pics with a camera phone?
[00:52:04] <tracxjo> hello?
[00:52:08] <dr_evil> mmu_man http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/27994 what value is used in ide_adapter.c on zeta?
[00:52:17] <dr_evil> it's at the bottom of the changeset
[00:53:08] <thotypous> umccullough, yes, it's the only camera I have
[00:53:24] <umccullough> thotypous, heh, whatever works then ;)
[00:53:28] <tracxjo> us umccullough the person who designed the icon set?
[00:53:40] <umccullough> tracxjo, that would be stippi
[00:53:40] <thotypous> how can I switch to the "ata" bus manager?
[00:53:50] <umccullough> and zumi for some of them ;)
[00:53:57] <umccullough> and maybe mmu_man designed one... :D
[00:54:03] <tracxjo> wow!
[00:54:04] <AnEvilYak> thotypous: open src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/Jamfile
[00:54:09] <AnEvilYak> thotypous: comment out ide, uncomment ata
[00:54:15] <AnEvilYak> thotypous: and rebuild
[00:54:15] <tracxjo> are the people on here developers?
[00:54:16] <thotypous> AnEvilYak, thanks :)
[00:54:27] <umccullough> tracxjo, a couple, yes  (not me)
[00:54:49] <tracxjo> that's awesome! i've been silently tracking haiku since it was openbeos
[00:55:02] <dr_evil> mmu_man this bug somehow made me curious
[00:55:02] <tracxjo> (is this appropriate to discuss here?)
[00:55:23] <mmu_man> dr_evil hmm the only ide_adapter.c I found was in ithamar's own files
[00:55:43] <mmu_man> probably got renamed
[00:55:52] <umccullough> tracxjo, haiku-related topics are generally welcome ;)
[00:56:59] <dr_evil> mmu_man you can surely find it. it's the module that contains the ide controller core functions, is used by the pci and isa ide drivers
[00:57:23] <mmu_man> and this version has if( ((1 << (i-7)) & mask) != 0 ) {
[00:58:36] <tracxjo> cool! i just had a problem with my alsa (i run linux); rhythmbox wouldn't let a game have /dev/dsp and i thought to myself..."Haiku is supposed to fix all this."
[00:58:37] <mmu_man> maybe in os/zeta/system/add-ons/kernel/ata/host_adapters/generic_ata_pci/
[00:58:49] <dr_evil> I don't get it. thats so problem
[00:58:53] <dr_evil> atic
[00:59:15] <mmu_man> hmm doesn't seem to be it
[00:59:18] <umccullough> tracxjo, well, that's the idea (eventually) :)
[00:59:38] <tracxjo> i totally got haiku running on my machine the other day...i even surfed the web...it was ... very gratifying after waiting for so long
[00:59:51] <mmu_man> ahh src/cebit/os/zeta/system/add-ons/kernel/ata/generic/ata_adapter/ata_adapter.c
[01:00:14] <umccullough> tracxjo, on native hardware?
[01:00:19] <tracxjo> yup
[01:00:27] <mmu_man> ugh
[01:00:27] <umccullough> cool, what specs out of curiosity? :)
[01:00:28] <tracxjo> it was totally beautiful
[01:00:28] <mmu_man> dr_evil
[01:00:30] <mmu_man> this one has
[01:00:31] <mmu_man> if( ((1 << (i+7)) & mask) != 0 ) {
[01:00:37] <tracxjo> hp laptop
[01:00:56] <tracxjo> ummm...pavillion ... 63...something
[01:01:09] <tracxjo> i can't see the model...but i have a turion processor
[01:01:24] <tracxjo> and nvidia video
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[01:01:35] <tracxjo> my sound doesn't work, though
[01:01:42] <tracxjo> and, of course, no wireless
[01:02:32] <umccullough> tracxjo, did you try the OSS (OpenSound) port ?
[01:02:37] <tracxjo> nope
[01:02:39] <umccullough> that might get your sound working
[01:02:49] <tracxjo> sounds...challenging. i can't wait for everything to just work out of the box
[01:02:59] <tracxjo> installer bugged out on me too
[01:03:08] <tracxjo> i'm sure that's to be expected
[01:03:18] <umccullough> ah, yeah, the "install" process is probably a bit rough yet
[01:03:39] <tracxjo> that makes me think of some cool rfcs
[01:03:41] <zizban> I've used many alt oses and Haiku has a lot more drivers than many
[01:03:43] <zizban> tons more
[01:04:08] <tracxjo> is it true that freebsd drivers can be easily ported to haiku?
[01:04:08] <umccullough> Haiku does benefit from quite a few drivers that were written for BeOS
[01:04:20] <DeadYak> tracxjo: only ethernet drivers
[01:04:21] <umccullough> there's a freebsd network driver compatibility library
[01:04:31] <tracxjo> (yeah, but that number is shockingly limited...which upsets me)
[01:04:35] <thotypous> tracxjo, hopefully wireless drivers too, soon
[01:04:35] <umccullough> currently supports wired-ethernet ;)
[01:04:39] <tracxjo> including 802.11?
[01:04:46] <DeadYak> no, not 802.11 yet.
[01:04:47] <mmu_man> not yet
[01:04:51] <tracxjo> oh...hence ethernet
[01:04:52] <tracxjo> yeah
[01:04:53] <tracxjo> ok
[01:04:58] <umccullough> but someone's working on the 80211 ;)
[01:05:01] <umccullough> or was
[01:05:08] <thotypous> not yet, but you can see the progress at - http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/1050
[01:05:09] <tracxjo> i'm sure they are...progress is steady
[01:05:11] <tracxjo> that's lovely
[01:05:14] <mmu_man> dr_evil ?
[01:05:45] <tracxjo> linux has to use some funky firmware from the windows driver
[01:06:15] <umccullough> that's because there's no OSS firmware for those chipsets
[01:06:24] <tracxjo> so oss port, eh? (from above)
[01:06:34] <tracxjo> so can haiku do something similar
[01:06:37] <umccullough> it's not "funky" so much as it's the only way to get them working short of RE'ing the firmward
[01:06:39] <umccullough> firmware
[01:06:43] <thotypous> is tqh porting firefox3?
[01:06:47] <DeadYak> dr_evil: I find it interesting that the SHOW_FLOW statement has i+7 in all places, but the conditional doesn't
[01:06:50] <tracxjo> or will this just turn in beos ...where drivers just stop
[01:06:59] <tracxjo> circa 2000
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[01:07:05] <DeadYak> thotypous: firefox 3 is infeasible on at least gcc2
[01:07:16] <thotypous> ah
[01:07:20] <tracxjo> firefox is soooo not good for haiku
[01:07:23] <zizban> I dislike firefox 3...doesn't thrill me
[01:07:30] <tracxjo> someone's redoing net+ right?
[01:07:43] <thotypous> webkit browser will be great
[01:07:48] <thotypous> but that will need gcc4 too
[01:07:53] <DeadYak> why would you redo Net+? it's completely useless for today's web
[01:08:05] <anarchos> webkit++
[01:08:08] <tracxjo> well....what i really meant was an updated net+
[01:08:10] <tracxjo> yeah
[01:08:24] <tracxjo> is anyone thinking about chrome?
[01:08:35] <tracxjo> it's just the gui that bugs me
[01:08:39] <anarchos> webkit = chrome (kinda :P)
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[01:08:52] <tracxjo> and it seems like there should be a beossy way of doing it
[01:08:59] <tracxjo> the gui, i mean
[01:09:23] <tracxjo> same way with the office suite...i've wanted to program one for a long time
[01:09:30] <tracxjo> but i'm not that talented
[01:09:35] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/beos/shots/shot_haiku_netsurf_replicated_and_behappy_001.png
[01:09:57] <anarchos> what is this netsurf i hear about? a new render engine from linux?
[01:09:58] <dr_evil> well well, thats pretty bizzar. haiku has i+6 now ;)
[01:10:01] <anarchos> or where was it ported from
[01:10:19] <thotypous> anarchos, it's from RISC OS
[01:10:27] <anarchos> ah
[01:10:28] <tracxjo> (I think it's sad that since I use linux, i was just impressed that xirc-gnome sends a link appropriately to firefox)
[01:10:33] <thotypous> but it only supports html+css, no js
[01:10:42] <thotypous> it's very lightweight, btw
[01:10:55] <anarchos> cool
[01:11:04] <anarchos> does it do html and css well?
[01:11:09] <thotypous> yes
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[01:11:38] <tracxjo> is that webkit???
[01:11:53] <DeadYak> no
[01:12:01] <tracxjo> i'm so confused
[01:12:01] <thotypous> chrome is webkit
[01:12:07] <DeadYak> netsurf has its own engine
[01:12:08] <thotypous> but now we are talking about netsurf
[01:12:15] <tracxjo> yes...but when i last heard that was up except it needs gcc4
[01:12:29] <DeadYak> webkit does need gcc4, yes.
[01:12:33] <DeadYak> netsurf does not.
[01:12:33] <tracxjo> (webkit=it)
[01:12:39] <thotypous> it's hoped we will have webkit at R1, perhaps
[01:12:44] <tracxjo> but netsurf is a tad primitive, isn't
[01:12:45] <anarchos> i don't think webkit is fully ported yet
[01:12:49] <tracxjo> rebuilding wheels
[01:12:49] <anarchos> er well, fully working
[01:12:54] <DeadYak> the webkit port's far from done
[01:13:05] <tracxjo> ok
[01:13:16] <DeadYak> at this point a bunch of work would have to be done just to resync it back with the current webkit tree anyhow
[01:13:26] <mmu_man> NetSurf isn't primitive
[01:13:32] <mmu_man> it's just simpler
[01:13:35] <tracxjo> have we switched to this behappy! yet? what is that?
[01:13:38] <thotypous> netsurf just doesn't support js
[01:13:43] <DeadYak> BeHappy is a documentation viewer
[01:13:44] <tracxjo> ok
[01:13:47] <DeadYak> from back in the R5 days
[01:13:52] <thotypous> but netsurf supports html+css very well
[01:13:54] <DeadYak> that used Net+ as a replicant to render be book pages
[01:14:11] <tracxjo> well, that's good
[01:14:16] <DeadYak> that screenshot's a modified rev that uses NetSurf as a replicant instead
[01:14:29] <tracxjo> aha
[01:14:35] <anarchos> would it be possible to take webkits js engine and hack it into netsurf?  that would probably require a lot of code to netsurf, huh?
[01:14:36] <tracxjo> i was wondering where the widgets were
[01:15:34] <thotypous> anarchos, the problem is DOM
[01:15:38] <tracxjo> .oO(I've always wondered how befs attributes were ftp'd)
[01:15:47] <mmu_man> anarchos no reason, NetSurf is just that, a rendering engine
[01:15:47] <DeadYak> tracxjo: they aren't
[01:15:55] <mmu_man> the rest is just GUI code
[01:16:07] <tracxjo> deadyak: how would they be?
[01:16:18] <DeadYak> tracxjo: NetPenguin and some FTP server for R5 had some non-standard extensions to do it but ...
[01:16:19] <mmu_man> ah, the js part..
[01:16:21] <DeadYak> tracxjo: zip it.
[01:16:23] <mmu_man> probably too complex
[01:16:30] <DeadYak> tracxjo: zip will preserve the attrs
[01:16:32] <mmu_man> JS is planned but not yet
[01:16:44] <anarchos> yea
[01:16:48] <mmu_man> they are already working on the DOM code
[01:16:55] <tracxjo> deadyak: that's nifty...i didn't know that about zip...but i guess if it worked for macos forks....
[01:17:10] <thotypous> there are a lot of fast easily integrable js engines today - the problem is DOM
[01:17:23] <DeadYak> tracxjo: that's why pretty much every BeOS app's distributed as either a zip or a pkg
[01:18:28] <thotypous> mmu_man, do you think the Atari Falcon running haiku will be able to run any web browser? NetSurf should be runnable, perhaps.. but what do you think about webkit (when it's done) or even firefox?
[01:18:42] <tracxjo> has anyone noted the desirability of making replicants that look like apple widgets?
[01:18:51] <DeadYak> huh?
[01:19:00] <mmu_man> thotypous I don't really plan on actually *using* Haiku on a Falcon
[01:19:11] <mmu_man> I just want to get it working and seen on /. :P
[01:19:11] <thotypous> :X
[01:19:20] <mmu_man> but NS should work
[01:19:24] <anarchos> link
[01:19:28] <mmu_man> firefox will likely be slooow
[01:19:32] <mmu_man> but possible to start
[01:19:35] <tracxjo> replicants were nifty back in the day...but their only slightly neater than windows' equivalent that never took off ... (what's it called? came out with ie4)
[01:19:40] <mmu_man> some falcons have CT60 boards with 256MB
[01:19:56] <DeadYak> tracxjo: ActiveX and replicants are two completely different animals
[01:19:56] <mmu_man> tracxjo activex ?
[01:20:02] <mmu_man> yeah nto the same
[01:20:09] <tracxjo> noo
[01:20:18] <tracxjo> Active Desktop, it was called
[01:20:20] <tracxjo> i think
[01:20:23] <DeadYak> ...which used ActiveX
[01:20:31] <mmu_man> that one...
[01:20:36] <tracxjo> where you can embed html on the screen
[01:20:39] <mmu_man> that kept crashing on me in win98
[01:20:45] <mmu_man> :)
[01:20:45] <DeadYak> which still has nothing to do with how BeOS replicants work
[01:20:48] <DeadYak> two completely unrelated things
[01:21:03] <tracxjo> well, it's even to this day bulky...but it has a lot in common with widgets (the apple kind) and active desktop
[01:21:06] <anarchos> tracxjo: replicants allow you to embed *anything*, not just html (as long as the app was coded to support it)
[01:21:14] <tracxjo> i know
[01:21:33] <thotypous> does haiku supports this replicants stuff?
[01:21:36] <tracxjo> i understand that, but the general idea is to put nifty things like calculators in your desktop, isn't it?
[01:21:37] <DeadYak> yes.
[01:21:39] <tracxjo> yes
[01:21:40] <DeadYak> tracxjo
[01:21:57] <DeadYak> tracxjo: no, the general idea was to have a simple way for one app to embed portions of another app
[01:22:05] <DeadYak> the desktop's just the most visible place you see that behavior
[01:22:08] <tracxjo> ok
[01:22:16] <mmu_man> until you get annoyed because it's always under other windows anyway
[01:22:23] <tracxjo> yeah
[01:22:24] <tracxjo> ha
[01:22:27] <anarchos> who's got a link to this so called "Falcon" thing on slashdot
[01:22:41] <HeTo> so OLE or COM would be the closest Windows equivalent?
[01:22:43] <mmu_man> anarchos it's not there yet as it's not finished :p
[01:22:45] <tracxjo> but you're saying you could embed a spreadsheet into like a dialogue box?
[01:22:47] <mmu_man> HeTo probably
[01:22:49] <tracxjo> ok
[01:22:51] <tracxjo> ole
[01:23:12] <mmu_man> except once the replicant is instanciated, Be never defined any standard protocol to deal with it
[01:23:16] <thotypous> it would be neat to have a haikubox running in ppc architecture
[01:23:16] <tracxjo> oh, you crazy devs!
[01:23:23] <thotypous> ppc cpus are VERY cheap today
[01:23:25] <tracxjo> do descend to the level of this poor novice
[01:23:33] <anarchos> tracxjo: look at that netsurf screenshot.  netsurf embedded into BeHappy
[01:23:38] <mmu_man> thotypous I have the SAM440 on my TODO list
[01:23:47] <thotypous> you can buy a ppc SoC with everything integrated by $23 from FreeScale
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[01:24:20] <tracxjo> ooooh: you're right anarchos!
[01:24:34] <tracxjo> do you use the behappy contols to surf?
[01:24:41] <DeadYak> no.
[01:24:50] <DeadYak> er maybe I misunderstood that
[01:25:10] <DeadYak> behappy tells it what URL to display, yeah
[01:25:18] <mmu_man> tracxjo no it's just BeHappy that sends the file: urls to NetSurf when you select items in the list onthe left
[01:25:19] <DeadYak> based off your choices in the left pane
[01:25:21] <thotypous> mmu_man, how far the ppc guys arrived before stopping to work in the ppc port?
[01:25:26] * tracxjo scratches head puzzledly...you have to understand...i'm a junior high english teacher for god sakes
[01:25:31] <mmu_man> thotypous AFAIK it booted
[01:25:34] <mmu_man> long ago
[01:25:35] <tracxjo> ohhh
[01:25:36] <mmu_man> on a pegasos
[01:25:44] <mmu_man> but it misses stuff now
[01:25:45] <tracxjo> that is just too neat...all that with replicants?
[01:25:47] <DeadYak> booted, but I don't think it got as far as an actual GUI
[01:25:49] <mmu_man> like TLS init
[01:25:58] <mmu_man> tracxjo yes
[01:26:01] <tracxjo> how do you put the replicant in behappy?
[01:26:14] <DeadYak> tracxjo: BeHappy does it programmatically, it's not done by the user
[01:26:20] <tracxjo> oh
[01:26:20] <mmu_man> tracxjo it just asks the system to instanciate it from a BMessage object
[01:26:21] <tracxjo> ok
[01:26:24] <mmu_man> (archived data)
[01:26:42] <mmu_man> when you do it in Tracker it just gets this data from drag-n-drop
[01:26:51] <mmu_man> NetSurf builds it when asked
[01:26:57] <anarchos> i'd like to see an arm(9?) port
[01:26:58] <thotypous> BeOS runs only in ppc and x86 machines, right?
[01:26:59] <mmu_man> in Archive() method of a view
[01:27:05] <DeadYak> thotypous: yes.
[01:27:05] <mmu_man> anarchos it's planned
[01:27:09] <mmu_man> thotypous yes
[01:27:12] <tracxjo> ok...i tried to follow the article someone wrote about that a few years back...it was neat, but i barely understood it
[01:27:14] <anarchos> thotypous: and hobbit :P
[01:27:20] <anarchos> mmu_man: nice.
[01:27:21] <thotypous> hobbit?! :P
[01:27:33] <mmu_man> abandonned :p
[01:27:35] <DeadYak> anarchos: uh...not any rev you were ever actually able to buy
[01:27:40] <mmu_man> actually, BeOS was ported to arm when Be focus shifted
[01:27:58] <tracxjo> ha..."be focus shifted"
[01:27:58] <anarchos> thotypous: beos was originally coded for at&t hobbit (iirc) before they switched to ppc, then intel
[01:28:05] <thotypous> :D
[01:28:14] <tracxjo> is that what they call that whole mess?
[01:28:15] <DeadYak> thotypous: the BeBox was originally based on the AT&T Hobbit, but then AT&T stopped manufacturing it, hence the switch to PPCs
[01:28:20] <mmu_man> and I think I recall seeing a carboard box mentionning "m68k port" in the photos made when Be items were sold
[01:28:24] <mmu_man> :)
[01:28:36] <anarchos> mmu_man: i did not know that, neat :)
[01:28:57] <tracxjo> i don't get the desire to run haiku on a ppc
[01:28:58] <DeadYak> the actual production BeBox uses a pair of 603s at 66 or 133MHz depending on what model you got
[01:28:59] <anarchos> mmu_man: i have a dream of running haiku on a HTC Touch Diamond :P  probably ifesable, but i can dream...
[01:29:07] <tracxjo> why not on a 64bit processor
[01:29:11] <DeadYak> anarchos: its UI is totally not designed for that
[01:29:16] <geist> DeadYak: dont forget the 200s that were never sold :)
[01:29:21] <DeadYak> geist: :P
[01:29:26] <DeadYak> geist: those don't count :)
[01:29:27] <mmu_man> anarchos I'd be targetting the openmoko freerunner I think
[01:29:44] <anarchos> DeadYak: yeah, i know.  :P
[01:29:45] <tracxjo> i sometimes fear that haiku might start to look more backward than it does forward
[01:30:03] <anarchos> mmu_man: open hardware is nice, but it's not sweet looking like a htc :P
[01:30:03] <tracxjo> this is a good example of that
[01:30:03] <mmu_man> geist was I just dreaming when I saw this 68k photo ?
[01:30:09] <geist> yeah
[01:30:15] <mmu_man> anarchos but the specs are out (mostly)
[01:30:21] <DeadYak> tracxjo: if someone wants to port it to PPC for fun, what's the problem?
[01:30:21] <mmu_man> which greatly helps writing drivers
[01:30:23] <geist> dont think it ever came close to a 68k box
[01:30:24] <anarchos> mmu_man: true enough :)
[01:30:29] <geist> closest other thing it ever got to was SH
[01:30:34] <thotypous> tracxjo, because ppc is very very cheap now that apple doesn't use it anymore
[01:30:36] <geist> hitachi was talking to be at some point
[01:30:41] <mmu_man> OTH I could sue HTC for not providing the proper manual (specs *are* manuals for us devs)
[01:30:43] <DeadYak> geist: what, did you try to port BeOS to a dreamcast too?
[01:30:45] <tracxjo> there's not at all...i just think that's crazy that someone is smart enough to just port haiku for giggles
[01:30:48] <tracxjo> like 1 person?
[01:30:54] <geist> i didn't, it was long before i was at be
[01:30:56] <DeadYak> oh
[01:31:09] <geist> back in the sh-1,2 or 3 days
[01:31:17] <DeadYak> tracxjo: there's only a limited subset of the OS that actually needs to be ported generally, + some drivers need to be written
[01:31:18] <mmu_man> geist yeah, or maybe it was an aborted port from the hobbit days
[01:31:26] <geist> sh is a reasonably popular cpu, it just never picked up on the us much
[01:31:30] <DeadYak> assuming you're not aiming to support every piece of hardware known to man, it's not as much work as you might think
[01:31:48] <thotypous> Haiku Inc. could manufacture HaikuBoxes with ppc cpus from freescale :D
[01:32:10] <tracxjo> heh
[01:32:14] <tracxjo> that'd be cool
[01:32:19] <tracxjo> olpc
[01:32:27] <tracxjo> i actually tried to market those in africa
[01:32:39] <mmu_man> there was this ppc "workstation" from yellowdog...
[01:32:42] <tracxjo> it was extraordinarily expensive...maybe a ppc would be better
[01:32:56] <mmu_man> but it was awfully expensive for ppc hw in an IBM case
[01:33:10] <anarchos> thotypous: can a regular person just buy a freescale soc system, without having to buy like 1,000+ at a time?
[01:33:11] <HeTo> mmu_man: was it PPC or POWER?
[01:33:20] <mmu_man> power I suppose
[01:33:29] <thotypous> anarchos, you can ask for samples :)
[01:33:59] <tracxjo> is anyone running haiku natively as we speak...i.e. chatting from haiku?
[01:34:13] <DeadYak> I was earlier, KDLed that box testing something though
[01:34:31] <thotypous> ppc + ac'97 + 3d-accelerated vga + usb + ethernet in a single chip :D
[01:34:33] <zizban> I don't have the guts :)
[01:34:34] <tracxjo> how long was it stable
[01:34:42] <tracxjo> i think i'm going to try it now
[01:34:51] <DeadYak> depends on what I try to do with it, can run it for days on end no problem if I don't try to build it in itself right now
[01:34:52] <anarchos> thotypous: heh, cuz they have some models that are dual core 1.5mhz with what looks to be basically a G4 CPU
[01:34:59] <mmu_man> well, take a SAM board, a case and you're out :)
[01:34:59] <DeadYak> MHz? :)
[01:35:16] <tracxjo> deadyak: that's crazy nuts
[01:35:17] * mmu_man pets 1.5 *millihertz*
[01:35:22] <thotypous> anarchos, yes, they have very powerful chips there :D
[01:35:25] <anarchos> thotypous: if that was available for $30 that would be so sick :P.  as long as the board had USB/dvi/video
[01:35:31] <anarchos> erm, 1.5ghz :P
[01:35:43] <tracxjo> 1.5 millihertz?
[01:35:45] <DeadYak> mmu_man: 1.5 milihertz would be painful
[01:35:47] <DeadYak> :)
[01:35:58] <thotypous> man, a friend of mine said it could be solded into a 3-layer or 4-layer PCB
[01:36:13] <thotypous> when Intel chips need 7-layer PCBs
[01:36:21] <tracxjo> such nerds!
[01:36:24] <DeadYak> tracxjo: not really, it's been able to stay up that long for quite a while as long as you don't try to do certain ops
[01:36:39] <tracxjo> hmmm
[01:36:47] <tracxjo> well, i'm finding a nice irc client for beos now
[01:36:55] <zizban> Vision
[01:36:59] <zizban> it rocks
[01:37:02] <anarchos> all i want is a tiny (pico-itx sized) system that fully integrated and has dvi/hdmi output, as well as being able to decode 1080p video :P
[01:37:15] <thotypous> tracxjo, vision is great
[01:37:20] <mmu_man> HDMI SUXOR
[01:37:22] <tracxjo> ok
[01:37:22] <mmu_man> DRM SUXOR
[01:37:42] <anarchos> mmu_man: hdmi doesn't neccisarily have drm :P
[01:37:50] <anarchos> only when they have that stupid hdcp crap going on
[01:37:53] <mmu_man> but it allows that
[01:38:02] <zizban> Vision is the best GUI irc client I have ever used
[01:38:09] <HeTo> anarchos: 1.5 GHz isn't enough for 1080p, I think
[01:38:25] <tracxjo> hey...i've noticed there's a widget changing program in beos...and i've seen something about it in the haiku source
[01:38:39] <tracxjo> can i make haiku look like classic macos like i could with beos?
[01:38:47] <HeTo> mmu_man: dvi allows hdcp, too
[01:38:50] <anarchos> HeTo: a dual core atom 330 (1.6ghz) can decode 1080p w/o hardware acceleration
[01:39:01] <HeTo> but if you have an hdmi connector, you have to have support for hdcp
[01:39:11] <DeadYak> tracxjo: you mean the easter egg that turned the tabs into macos bars?
[01:39:27] <tracxjo> yes
[01:39:33] * mmu_man still uses good old VGA
[01:39:35] <DeadYak> Haiku doesn't implement that, no
[01:39:47] <DeadYak> that's a hack in BeOS's app_server
[01:40:07] <tracxjo> could it...in a less hacked way?
[01:40:11] <DeadYak> in theory you could do a Haiku decorator for that but no one's bothered
[01:40:17] <mmu_man> well, someone just needs to fix the extenal decors
[01:40:20] <tracxjo> yellow tabs are a bit passé
[01:40:25] <tracxjo> yes
[01:40:26] <DeadYak> if you say so
[01:40:26] <tracxjo> decor
[01:40:31] * mmu_man pets yellow sliding tabs
[01:40:31] <DeadYak> I love the tabs
[01:40:31] <tracxjo> that's what it's called
[01:40:32] <zizban> I like the yellow tabs myself
[01:40:39] <tracxjo> i do too...but they could be updated
[01:40:44] <tracxjo> and made customizable
[01:40:49] <tracxjo> skinnable, i mean
[01:40:52] <HeTo> can't you change the colour in Haiku? :-P
[01:40:54] <DeadYak> and if the tabs are out of date, what does that make MacOS 9? :P
[01:40:55] * thotypous still thinks Atom uses an ARM core to process stuff
[01:40:58] <mmu_man> HeTo not yet
[01:41:00] <DeadYak> ugh, skinning
[01:41:02] <tracxjo> i do too...i even try to make my window managers look like that
[01:41:07] <DeadYak> biggest waste of CPU time ever.
[01:41:11] <tracxjo> hahahahhaa
[01:41:20] * tracxjo rolls eyes
[01:41:24] * DeadYak rolls eyes back
[01:41:29] <tracxjo> come on, guys...think like end users!
[01:41:33] <DeadYak> I am
[01:41:33] <zizban> If FVWM did shaped title bars, I'd make a beos theme
[01:41:35] <thotypous> ok, haiku rebuilt
[01:41:37] <DeadYak> I hate hate hate skins
[01:41:42] <thotypous> I'm going to boot from pendrive
[01:41:52] <thotypous> hope me lucky
[01:41:58] <tracxjo> me too
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[01:42:11] <zizban> many end users like the yellow tabs, too
[01:42:14] <zizban> I'm one
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[01:43:02] <anarchos> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYRGjjvNoZ4
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[01:49:56] <vision> yo yo yo
[01:49:59] <vision> ooops
[01:50:01] <vision> wrong nick
[01:50:15] <vision> did that work?
[01:50:16] <vision> nope
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[01:50:22] <zizban> ya I think you need to change that
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[01:51:15] <thotypous> oh great man
[01:51:17] <tracxjoInHaiku> hmmmm...did that work
[01:51:19] <tracxjoInHaiku> aha
[01:51:23] <tracxjoInHaiku> cool
[01:51:23] <thotypous> my laptop runs Haiku so smoothly
[01:51:28] <zizban> yes
[01:51:32] <tracxjoInHaiku> mine too
[01:51:33] <thotypous> the gigabit ethernet works like a charm
[01:51:43] <thotypous> I will build an image with firefox and vision now
[01:51:53] <tracxjoInHaiku> the font something is better but still ...something is wrong
[01:51:57] <thotypous> so I can slack the rest of the sunday inside haiku
[01:52:03] <tracxjoInHaiku> ooooh
[01:52:17] <tracxjoInHaiku> i just kld'd when i turned my mouse off
[01:52:18] * zizban doesn't use a GUI irc client
[01:52:19] <thotypous> when it supports wi-fi and power management, it's gonna be perfect
[01:52:52] * mmu_man goes finishing his sunday in the bed
[01:52:57] <mmu_man> actually it's monday already
[01:52:59] <mmu_man> n8
[01:53:14] <mmu_man> zizban you can try rhapsody IRC in Haiku, I ported it
[01:53:15] <tracxjoInHaiku> ummmm....how do i fix the font smoothing?
[01:53:26] <DeadYak> fix?
[01:53:30] <mmu_man> http://rhapsody.sourceforge.net/
[01:54:03] <mmu_man> hmm the haiku diff isn't in the sources yet, only beos stuff
[01:54:04] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/beos/patches/rhapsody-0.28b.haiku.diff.txt
[01:54:13] <zizban> oh ya? that rocks
[01:54:20] <zizban> thanks, mmu_man
[01:54:32] <mmu_man> it's simple but works
[01:54:32] <tracxjoInHaiku> it needs tweaking for my lcd
[01:54:35] <mmu_man> still Vision is nice
[01:54:39] <tracxjoInHaiku> \i found it...in appearance
[01:55:05] <zizban> I wonder if Irssi will compile? Hmmm
[01:55:08] * zizban thinks
[01:55:21] 
[01:55:49] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28243 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/vm/vm_tests.c: Removed tests from the implementation directory.
[01:55:51] <mmu_man> zizban I think there is a glib port around
[01:55:56] <mmu_man> not sure baout other deps
[01:55:59] <mmu_man> check haikuports
[01:56:11] <zizban> it just needs glib and pcre
[01:56:21] <mmu_man> we have the later I think
[01:56:31] <zizban> I think so too
[01:56:51] <mmu_man> it might look ugly though, the Terminal doesn't implement the drawing charset (line drawing)
[01:57:04] <zizban> oh that could a problem
[01:57:06] <anarchos> so are there any wireless chipsets supported yet?
[01:57:09] <DeadYak> no.
[01:57:14] <mmu_man> anarchos actually yes
[01:57:24] <DeadYak> mmu_man: ?
[01:57:26] <mmu_man> there are some beos drivers on bebits
[01:57:32] <mmu_man> form patrick laffarguette
[01:57:34] <anarchos> i want to get a netbook for haiku, but i only have wireless, no wires :P
[01:57:36] <thotypous> yes
[01:57:43] <DeadYak> those are pretty old chipsets though
[01:57:43] <mmu_man> but I don't think anyone tested them
[01:57:50] <mmu_man> and we don't have the sources AFAIK
[01:57:56] * tracxjoInHaiku is having fun with chart
[01:58:02] <mmu_man> but feel free to send diffs :)
[01:58:25] <mmu_man> tracxjoInHaiku it's even nicer in fullscreen in background :)
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[01:58:32] <DeadYak> now let's see....
[01:58:34] <zizban> I live in the rurals; the only wireless here is in my house
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[01:59:24] <thotypous> mmu_man, there is a ipw2100 driver at Haiku's source tree
[01:59:29] <thotypous> src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/network/ipw2100
[01:59:36] <tracxjoInHaiku> how do i do that, mmu_man?
[01:59:45] <mmu_man> right click on the tab
[01:59:59] <mmu_man> to put it behind other windows
[02:00:04] <mmu_man> then click "autodemo"
[02:00:16] <mmu_man> though maybe you need to use FFM mode
[02:00:42] <thotypous> is src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/audio/hda being built by default? do I need to disable it in order to use OpenSound?
[02:00:44] <tracxjoInHaiku> heh
[02:00:47] <tracxjoInHaiku> it works
[02:00:53] <tracxjoInHaiku> though it makes me dizzy
[02:01:07] <mmu_man> thotypous yes
[02:01:17] <mmu_man> you must remove the native driver as it might colide
[02:01:22] <mmu_man> and eventually crash
[02:01:28] <thotypous> mmu_man, how can I remove it?
[02:01:36] <thotypous> mmu_man, commenting in the Jamfile?
[02:01:40] <mmu_man> locate the binary and move it out of the folder
[02:01:42] <thotypous> #SubInclude HAIKU_TOP src add-ons kernel drivers audio hda ;
[02:01:49] <mmu_man> no that'll break the build
[02:01:57] <thotypous> mmu_man, Linux can't mount BFS :P
[02:01:59] <mmu_man> but you can remove it from build/jam/HaikuImage
[02:02:10] <mmu_man> thotypous it can, but readonly
[02:02:12] <DeadYak> thotypous: sure it can, jam run ":<build>bfs_shell /dev/partition"
[02:02:20] <DeadYak> where partition = wherever you installed to
[02:02:35] <thotypous> DeadYak, :D thanks
[02:02:44] <tracxjoInHaiku> how do i turn on the oss driver?
[02:02:50] <thotypous> BEOS_ADD_ONS_DRIVERS_AUDIO = auich auvia echo3g emuxki ; #hda
[02:02:59] <thotypous> hda is already commented out in build/jam/HaikuImage
[02:03:07] <mmu_man> tracxjoInHaiku you need to add the optional package
[02:03:18] <tracxjoInHaiku> that involves compiling?
[02:03:22] <mmu_man> no
[02:03:28] <mmu_man> it's a zip
[02:03:35] <thotypous> just download the zip and uncompress
[02:03:36] <tracxjoInHaiku> haikuware?
[02:03:39] <mmu_man> the url is in build/jam/OptionalPackages
[02:03:47] <mmu_man> either put it in your image
[02:04:05] <mmu_man> or add the comand to build/jam/UserBuildConfig
[02:04:09] <mmu_man> so jam adds it
[02:04:13] <mmu_man> night
[02:04:15] <mmu_man> zzz
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[02:04:32] <thotypous> hey, come back :P
[02:04:35] <thotypous> lol
[02:05:13] <tracxjoInHaiku> i'm confused
[02:05:15] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28244 /haiku/trunk/ (33 files in 16 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[02:05:15] <CIA-60> * Prefixed memset_physical() and memcpy_to_physical() with "vm_",
[02:05:15] <CIA-60>  added vm_memcpy_from_physical() and vm_memcpy_physical_page(), and
[02:05:15] <CIA-60>  added respective functions to the vm_translation_map operations. The
[02:05:15] <CIA-60>  architecture specific implementation can now decide how to implement
[02:05:18] <CIA-60>  them most efficiently. Added generic implementations that can be used,
[02:05:20] <CIA-60>  though.
[02:05:51] <tracxjoInHaiku> this installation is from a test build...will the jam stuff still be here...or do i have to go online?
[02:09:44] <tracxjoInHaiku> hmmm
[02:11:06] <tracxjoInHaiku> is anybody here?
[02:11:14] <tracxjoInHaiku> hmmmm
[02:13:31] <zizban> I am
[02:13:39] <zizban> not sure I can help you
[02:14:05] <tracxjoInHaiku> ok
[02:14:08] <tracxjoInHaiku> i found it
[02:14:20] <geist> excellent
[02:14:31] <tracxjoInHaiku> though i just exploded tracker
[02:14:53] <tracxjoInHaiku> team monitor is so cool
[02:15:31] <tracxjoInHaiku> there's deskbar
[02:15:35] <tracxjoInHaiku> now where's tracker
[02:15:54] <DeadYak> click restart desktop in team monitor
[02:16:01] <tracxjoInHaiku> i did
[02:16:03] <tracxjoInHaiku> i didn' t
[02:16:37] <tracxjoInHaiku> yeah
[02:16:45] <tracxjoInHaiku> now i killed tracker and deskbar
[02:16:46] <tracxjoInHaiku> cool
[02:16:56] <tracxjoInHaiku> team manager's not doin it
[02:18:34] <DeadYak> well, if you have a terminal open you can try /system/Tracker &
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[02:21:55] <tracxjoisconfuse> wow
[02:22:03] <tracxjoisconfuse> i totally had the wrong resolution
[02:23:53] <tracxjoisconfuse> ping anybody
[02:24:45] <zizban> here
[02:26:17] <tracxjoisconfuse> phew
[02:26:19] <tracxjoisconfuse> i was nervous
[02:26:27] <tracxjoisconfuse> sadly oss didn't work
[02:26:32] <tracxjoisconfuse> now i get to go grade papers
[02:26:34] <tracxjoisconfuse> joy
[02:26:38] <tracxjoisconfuse> adios
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[02:35:24] <thotypous> I shouldn't use XFS for the partition I use to build haiku
[02:35:54] <zizban> not if you want to build Haiku
[02:36:15] <thotypous> it's very slow to unpack the optional packages in it
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[03:01:26] <thotypous> I'm on haiku! :D
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[03:02:20] <DeadYak> thotypous: yay
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[03:12:28] <thotypous> strange, my webcam should be supported (logitech quickcam express)
[03:12:36] <thotypous> but it doesn't appear at the Media Preferences
[03:12:40] <thotypous> and CodyCam doesn't find it
[03:12:51] <thotypous> is there something I should know?
[03:13:17] <DeadYak> USB presumably?
[03:13:42] <thotypous> yes, USB
[03:13:53] <thotypous> but other USB stuff is working (USB mouse for example)
[03:14:00] <DeadYak> I'm assuming your usb controllers work otherwise?
[03:14:02] <DeadYak> ah
[03:14:10] <DeadYak> hm, anything in syslog? :)
[03:14:25] <thotypous> OpenSound works greatly
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[03:16:59] <DeadYak> thotypous: happen to know the vendor/device ID of yours?
[03:17:16] <DeadYak> I see only: {{ 0, 0, 0, 0x046d, 0x0840 }, "Logitech", "QuickCam Express", NULL },
[03:17:16] <DeadYak> {{ 0, 0, 0, 0x046d, 0x0850 }, "Logitech", "QuickCam Express LEGO", NULL },
[03:17:21] <thotypous> how can I read that inside Haiku?
[03:17:31] <thotypous> mine was 046d:0840 I think
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[03:18:22] <DeadYak> is usb_webcam even on your partition?
[03:18:26] <DeadYak> query name=usb_webcam
[03:18:49] <DeadYak> err, that should be usb_webcam.media_addon
[03:19:45] <thotypous>  /boot/beos/system/add-ons/media/usb_webcam.media_addon
[03:19:54] <DeadYak> hmm...
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[03:21:44] <DeadYak> command might've been usb_dev_info
[03:21:48] <DeadYak> trying to remember
[03:23:26] <auntieNeo> hey, I'm sort of messing with this... where can I get ports of software for haiku? I feel helpless without an ssh server xD
[03:23:48] <DeadYak> there's an optional package for it
[03:24:07] <DeadYak> I'm assuming you're playing with an image?
[03:24:14] <auntieNeo> yeah, just an image
[03:24:28] <auntieNeo> I'm downloading the svn right now though :P
[03:25:30] <DeadYak> wget http://haiku-files.org/files/optional-packages/openssh-5.0p1-gcc2-2008-05-04-1.zip and wget http://haiku-files.org/files/optional-packages/openssl-0.9.8g-gcc2-2008-03-28.zip
[03:26:12] <DeadYak> unzip both to /boot
[03:27:17] <HeTo> I just wonder, what are you trying to do with Haiku if you feel helpless wihtout an ssh server
[03:27:36] <auntieNeo> ;P
[03:27:44] <DeadYak> I was kind of wondering that too, it's not really generally geared towards being the world's most command line usable OS
[03:27:57] <auntieNeo> mmm
[03:28:00] <auntieNeo> I dunno
[03:29:03] <auntieNeo> I was thinking I wanted to develop software... and I'm a vim addict... and well, it's easier if I can compile stuff remotely
[03:29:06] <auntieNeo> you know?
[03:29:14] <DeadYak> compile stuff remotely on a graphical OS?
[03:29:21] <auntieNeo> ...
[03:29:29] <auntieNeo> is it possible to develop software from within haiku?
[03:29:32] <DeadYak> yes.
[03:29:40] <auntieNeo> I'm guessing you guys use gcc, right?
[03:29:42] <DeadYak> yes.
[03:29:46] <auntieNeo> ...
[03:29:54] <auntieNeo> :P
[03:29:56] <auntieNeo> whatever
[03:30:04] <pyCube> ?
[03:30:11] <auntieNeo> nevermind ;P
[03:30:22] <DeadYak> I guess I just don't see the benefit of building stuff across ssh unless all you want to write is command line tools
[03:30:30] <pyCube> what are the cool kids under the bleachers compiling with these days?
[03:31:23] <auntieNeo> *sigh*
[03:31:29] <auntieNeo> I compile gui stuff over ssh all the time ;P
[03:31:32] <auntieNeo> I don't see what the problem is
[03:31:48] <auntieNeo> maybe my code just sucks so bad I need to test it by compiling it every 10 minutes xD
[03:31:54] <DeadYak> I just fail to see the point if you're going to have to go back to the box to test it anyways :)
[03:32:05] <auntieNeo> anyway
[03:32:13] <auntieNeo> meh
[03:32:19] <auntieNeo> you guys are mean ;P
[03:32:27] <pyCube> you mean curious?
[03:32:31] <DeadYak> I'm not being mean, I'm just trying to understand what you're getting out of that
[03:32:40] <auntieNeo> remote compiling
[03:32:48] <DeadYak> I mean, if it's a graphical app, you can't test it without being at the computer itself
[03:32:50] <pyCube> sounds fancy
[03:32:51] <auntieNeo> and I didn't know that haiku was strictly a gui os
[03:32:53] <DeadYak> at which point remote compiling doesn't help you at all
[03:32:57] <auntieNeo> it does have a terminal...
[03:33:04] <DeadYak> and seeing as we don't use X11, you can't test your app remotely....
[03:33:15] <auntieNeo> you just wait
[03:33:16] <thotypous> netsurf is nice
[03:33:22] <auntieNeo> I'll write the first VNC server for haiku ;P
[03:33:24] <auntieNeo> over ssh
[03:34:13] <auntieNeo> *sigh* I probably won't be able to write anything anyway :/
[03:35:53] <DeadYak> what makes you say that?
[03:36:07] <auntieNeo> heh, I can't code worth shit :P
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[03:37:00] <pyCube> i bet if you simplified your coding practices it'd be easier to code worth shit
[03:38:44] <pyCube> of course, i dunno.. just a guess based on a few minutes of looking at your text
[03:39:00] <pyCube> also, not sure if coding worth sjit is something to shoot for.. heh
[03:39:46] <auntieNeo> heh
[03:40:00] <pyCube> one might interpret 'cant code woth shit' as 'incapable of coding shitty code'
[03:40:01] <thotypous> http://i33.tinypic.com/e994sp.png
[03:40:19] <DeadYak> thotypous: ouch, vector calc homework?
[03:40:32] <thotypous> just one djvu file around :D
[03:40:39] <DeadYak> that takes me back lol
[03:40:59] <thotypous> :P
[03:41:05] <auntieNeo> hah, people still use that? xD
[03:41:08] <thotypous> BTW, levi civitta rox
[03:41:14] <thotypous> levi civita*
[03:41:56] <thotypous> brb
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[03:42:20] <pyCube> auntieNeo: vector calc?
[03:42:31] <auntieNeo> djvu ;P
[03:42:48] <auntieNeo> I've seen one djvu file in my lifetime :P
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[03:44:11] <DeadYak> wb
[03:44:34] <thotypous> Haiku ran very nicely in this laptop.. anyway, I need to figure out why the webcam didn't work
[03:44:50] <thotypous> and if my cellphone is supported by usb_serial
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[03:50:09] <auntieNeo> thotypous: what laptop? I was thinking of running it on mine...
[03:50:25] <thotypous> NEC Versa M360
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[04:05:10] <RandomInsano> My Motorola V635 worked great on BeOS R5 with USB serial driver
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[04:06:51] <RandomInsano> Oh, been meaning to ask; Is USB Mass Storage supposed to be working in Haiku? My laptop just locks up in I think an interrupt or somesuch when I try to use my thumbdrive
[04:07:12] <DeadYak> RandomInsano: it generally does
[04:07:13] * DHowett always was a cat.
[04:07:14] <DHowett> :P
[04:07:16] <DHowett> :)
[04:07:25] <DHowett> RandomInsano: USB 1.1 or 2.0?
[04:07:27] <DeadYak> RandomInsano: a bunch of people test it by booting from USB thumb drives
[04:07:41] <RandomInsano> 1.1 in the case of my laptop
[04:07:50] <DHowett> I had a lot of issues booting over USB 1.1.. dropped into KDL because we couldn't find/load files fast enough
[04:08:13] <RandomInsano> I mean just hot-plugging and reading the files off the drive
[04:08:27] <DHowett> ahh
[04:08:28] <DHowett> hmm
[04:08:49] <RandomInsano> My main system doesn't boot off of it probably for other reasons
[04:10:11] <RandomInsano> Maybe I could file a bug or something. I can press F12 when booting to get to the KDL, and there's some init thread running. Just a second, I'll be more specific
[04:13:21] * RandomInsano fall onto chair and salsa explodes all over the place
[04:13:25] <RandomInsano> *s
[04:13:55] <RandomInsano> If my room was a large corn chip this would be less of a problem...
[04:14:11] <DHowett> ...
[04:14:29] <DHowett> LMAO.
[04:15:18] <RandomInsano> Okay, so let's see here...
[04:17:02] <RandomInsano> So Haiku loads until the rocket then hangs
[04:17:22] <RandomInsano> In this case I'm using a USB card reader
[04:18:07] <RandomInsano> pushing F12 it tells me 'Thread 59"fxp intr handler"' running on CPU 0
[04:21:59] <DeadYak> that's the ipro100 driver
[04:22:20] <DeadYak> you have an intel ethernet chipset in there?
[04:22:52] <RandomInsano> Indeed
[04:23:13] <DeadYak> sounds like that driver's having problems, you could try removing it from the image
[04:23:36] <RandomInsano> I can just rename the driver file to do that?
[04:23:47] <DeadYak> just move it out of that directory
[04:23:56] <DeadYak> or comment it out in build/jam/HaikuImage
[04:23:57] <RandomInsano> that works too
[04:24:10] <DeadYak> assuming you don't have any way of manipulating that partition directly
[04:24:14] <RandomInsano> If I built Haiku myself, that would work
[04:24:22] <DeadYak> ah
[04:24:25] <RandomInsano> It's installed on my laptop
[04:24:48] <RandomInsano> I just copied the files from the raw images over to the partition
[04:25:14] <DeadYak> ah
[04:25:23] <DeadYak> well then, yeah, just delete it or move it someplace that's not in the add-ons subdir
[04:27:19] <RandomInsano> we shall see if the allows for usb
[04:30:20] <RandomInsano> And it boots, and mounts, and... crashes because it can't write back some block or other
[04:33:39] <RandomInsano>   Mounting R/O it seems to work
[04:34:05] <RandomInsano> So could this be a problem with the interrupt sharing I was reading somewheres (probably the commit logs)
[04:35:57] <RandomInsano> Ah phooey, I'm leaving it for the night. Bye to everyone thanks for the idea DeadYak
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[05:11:42] <Duggan> greetings all
[05:12:19] <DHowett> 'lo Duggan
[05:12:43] <Duggan> how goes it?
[05:12:57] <DHowett> Well. Yourself?
[05:14:48] <Duggan> same I suppose
[05:15:08] <Duggan> trying to find some efficient way to be able to readily get the src into my haiku partition
[05:15:45] <Duggan> seems I'm really not supposed to try to help with this project, as many machines as I've failed to be able to get the source to compile on lol
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[05:22:29] <geist> :(
[05:22:40] <Duggan> hi
[05:31:41] <DHowett> Wish my webhost did svn hosting :(
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[06:04:35] <Duggan> what's the total size of the repo at the moment?
[06:09:38] <anarchos> over 9000 bytes
[06:10:40] <DHowett> anarchos: I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. But it's obligatory that i said "IT'S OVER 9000!"
[06:10:58] <DHowett> say*
[06:12:26] <anarchos> i was close enough ;)
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[06:13:31] <DHowett> See, at first, I was not sure if you intended it, so i had to say it. Then it made sense in my head ;)
[06:14:04] <anarchos> heh
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[06:21:25] <Duggan> ... gotcha....
[06:22:11] <Duggan> well the first time I checked it was close to 500megs, then I did an update which didn't  change anything, except when I check its over 900 megs
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[06:22:36] <geist> that's about right
[06:22:48] <Duggan> either  500 or 900 is about right?
[06:22:52] <geist> svn stores a second copy of what you have checked out inside the .svn dir
[06:23:10] <geist> iirc, it's about 900 or so total, .svn dirs included
[06:23:29] <Duggan> ok, so theoretically if I copied and pasted the info, I'd just copy everything except .svn or are there other directories I should leave out too?
[06:23:31] <anarchos> i was only a decimal place off! ;)
[06:23:37] <DHowett> anarchos: ;)
[06:23:43] <geist> Duggan: uh, not sure what you mean
[06:24:23] <Duggan> I cant get the repo on haiku on this machine because this is a laptop.... haiku doesn't support wireless and the rtl81xx driver crashes anytime its used
[06:24:50] <geist> okay, so why do you want the repo on the laoptop?
[06:24:59] <geist> doesn't sound lke it'd be all that useful
[06:25:03] <Duggan> because...... ok hold on....
[06:25:59] <Duggan> haiku build attempts 1 through about..... 15.... dedicated computer, haiku runs great, have a million problems trying to get networking up and running on it
[06:26:16] <Duggan> finally get a nic / driver combo that works
[06:26:35] <Duggan> get the repo, try to build it, jam crashes..... turns out I only have 256 megs of ram (no paging at the time)
[06:26:51] <Duggan> ok, move that HD to another machine and multiboot...
[06:27:16] <Duggan> well, that other machine is an xp box where the main drive letter is I
[06:27:48] <Duggan> if I set up bootman, xp reletters the drives (changes I to C) which means I cant log in anymore, so no xp if I use that computer (which is my main computer)
[06:28:02] <Duggan> ok, fast forward a few months
[06:28:15] <Duggan> here I am at school, I get my student loan money, buy a laptop....
[06:28:25] <Duggan> I have vista and 2 haiku installs booting....
[06:28:43] <Duggan> however its suffering from numerous serious bugs
[06:28:56] <Duggan> problems with the intel video driver, kdl on boot, etc
[06:29:39] <Duggan> I can work around all those to get it to boot and it runs except the rtl81xx drivers (when I'm hooked up to cat5) crash anytime you try to transfer informatino
[06:29:43] <Duggan> information^
[06:30:14] <Duggan> so my next attempt is to physically copy the source from my vista partition to a haiku partition via a usb drive
[06:30:37] <geist> pretty dedicated
[06:30:56] <Duggan> no kidding, BeOS was the best OS I've ever used and I want to be a part of Haiku to help it as much as I can
[06:31:00] <Duggan> I AM a programmer after all
[06:31:18] <geist> seems like a much better deal would be to screw the self hosting for now and build on another box
[06:31:24] <geist> *not* running haiku
[06:31:24] <Duggan> plus my name in the credits would look awfully good on a resume lol... but I cant even build the damned thing, what am I supposed to do now...
[06:31:34] <geist> clearly you dont have the right box for the moment
[06:31:37] <Duggan> I tried building it windows
[06:31:42] <geist> linux
[06:31:44] <Duggan> cygwin sucks balls
[06:31:47] <Duggan> no linux boxes
[06:31:48] <geist> builds great on linux
[06:32:33] <Duggan> I have the original machine here and I've put the HD back in it
[06:32:43] <Duggan> problem is, I only have wireless here
[06:33:20] <Duggan> I'd have to lug it halfway across campus to plug it into a switch, and thats tough to do for a desktop when you have to lug it back when you're done
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[06:33:50] <Duggan> ... plus monitor keyboard and mouse hehe
[06:33:52] <DHowett> get a really, really long ethernet cable.
[06:33:56] <Duggan> er yeah
[06:34:18] <DHowett> Oh, hum. I wonder what the maximum practical length of cat6 is.. can one theoretically clip ends onto a 1000 foot cable and actually use the thing for useful networking?
[06:34:41] <geist> maybe, but i was thinking something mor elike 100 meteres
[06:34:45] <geist> i'm sure the internet knows
[06:34:46] <anarchos> DHowett: for some reason i think 100m
[06:35:01] <geist> we think alike
[06:35:12] <anarchos> heh.  it's either 100m/300ft or 300m
[06:35:20] <Duggan> well, the bug working with the intel video bug that was supposed to be resolved obviously wasn't the same bug I have
[06:35:20] <anarchos> can't remember exactly :P
[06:35:21] <DHowett> "100M = 300Ft (roughly, it's closer to 320-330ft actually, IIRC)"
[06:35:48] <DHowett> "364 feet to be exact"
[06:35:50] <DHowett> well sigh.
[06:37:48] <Duggan> the problem I have is such that the video flickers at exactly the rate that is nominal for killing braincells and inducing horrible headaches and nausea
[06:38:23] <DHowett> 60Hz?
[06:38:31] <DHowett> kidding, but still =\
[06:38:39] <DHowett> 60Hz CRTs drive me batty.
[06:38:50] <DeadYak> ouch
[06:39:04] <anarchos> don't lcd's pretty much all run on 60hz?
[06:39:12] <DeadYak> 923MB for svn here, all told
[06:39:25] <DHowett> anarchos: Most i've seen are on 72 or 75
[06:39:28] <DeadYak> anarchos: LCDs do, but due to the difference in how they work, they don't need more than that
[06:39:36] <DeadYak> DHowett: really? every single one I own won't accept > 60
[06:39:38] <geist> right, they dont flicker
[06:39:49] <DHowett> DeadYak: Hmm..!
[06:39:53] <DeadYak> for an LCD the only difference it really makes is your peak (synced) framerate
[06:40:14] <anarchos> DeadYak: yeah.  so you're sayin' those 120hz TVs these days are useless? ;)
[06:40:27] <DeadYak> anarchos: 120Hz TV = CRT
[06:40:35] <anarchos> nah they have 120hz lcds
[06:40:37] <DeadYak> on an LCD it's useless
[06:40:42] <anarchos> they have 'em
[06:40:48] <DeadYak> well there's no point
[06:41:01] <DeadYak> on a CRT you needed that because the phosphors would start to fade as soon as the electron gun hit 'em
[06:41:02] <geist> the only point would be to have a smoother frame rate
[06:41:16] <DeadYak> ergo you needed the high refresh rate in order to keep 'em lit without flickering
[06:41:17] <geist> but 60 is generally good enough to fool the eye
[06:41:37] <anarchos> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3489850&Sku=S226-4610&SRCCODE=GOOGLEBASE&cm_mmc_o=TBBTkwCjCVyBpAgf%20mwzygtCjCVRqCjCVRq
[06:42:06] <DeadYak> anarchos: put it this way, DVDs and/or BR discs generally run around 25-30fps
[06:42:20] <anarchos> yea
[06:42:26] <DeadYak> so the only place you even *might* see a difference is a 360 game or whatnot
[06:42:31] <DeadYak> and even then, 120's overkill
[06:42:49] <DHowett> Can't believe how expensive dual-layer dvd-rs are still.. not that I even use standard dvd-rs.. i've got a 320 gig hard drive and no incentive to back up the data that's followed me around for 6-7 years..
[06:42:59] <anarchos> i guess that is true that if the source is not 120hz...then no point
[06:43:10] <DeadYak> yeah, and nothing I know of sources 120
[06:43:10] <anarchos> and a lot of bluray is 24p, no?
[06:43:19] <DeadYak> game consoles generally sync at 60fps
[06:43:20] <DeadYak> tops
[06:43:25] <DeadYak> and yes, a lot of movies are 24
[06:43:31] <DeadYak> since that's what the actual movie cameras run at
[06:43:37] <anarchos> 60fps interlaced would be 120hz, though?
[06:43:42] <DeadYak> um....
[06:43:43] <DeadYak> no.
[06:44:22] <DeadYak> a modern LCD will de-interlace it internally
[06:44:28] <anarchos> ah
[06:44:37] <anarchos> makes sense
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[06:45:41] <anarchos> but on an crt, if you had something going at 30fps and it was interlaced, it would need 60hz, right?
[06:45:51] <anarchos> or am i totally confused on this whole thing? :)
[06:45:58] <DeadYak> yeah but that still wouldn't quite get you the same net effect because you'd still have frame tearing
[06:46:34] <anarchos> yea
[06:47:46] <anarchos> shower, bbl
[06:52:05] <DeadYak> hey geist, around?
[06:52:43] <DeadYak> geist: forgot to ask, is the second disc of that Gilmour concert any good?
[06:52:51] <geist> haven't gotten it yet
[06:52:53] <DeadYak> since your note mostly just pointed out the second half of the first disc
[06:52:54] <DeadYak> ah
[06:52:55] <geist> it's apparently interviews and whatnot
[06:52:56] <DeadYak> that would be why :)
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[06:53:11] <DeadYak> guess I'll just add disc 1 for now then, lemme know :)
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[06:59:28] <Duggan> sorry guys, had to step out a bit
[06:59:36] <Duggan> and no, not 60 hz.... more like 4hz
[07:00:34] <Duggan> actually more like 10hz
[07:00:44] <Duggan> but atrociously slow
[07:00:47] <Duggan> er low
[07:00:54] <Duggan> and its an LCD
[07:01:04] <Duggan> flashes between the normal desktop and a black screen
[07:01:37] <DHowett> ah, wow.
[07:01:48] <DHowett> Seizurific
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[07:03:10] <Duggan> exactly
[07:03:24] <Duggan> question is, what's the problem, and can it be fixed?
[07:03:27] <Duggan> no errors or anything
[07:04:49] <Duggan> just unusable due to flicker.... for those that are interested, this is an HP Pavilion dv6000 and the video card is: Mobile Intel(R) 965 Express Chipset Family
[07:05:14] <Duggan> dev id (for all I can tell) = pci\ven_8086&dev_2a02
[07:05:48] <DHowett> ahhh..
[07:05:56] <DHowett> see, i've got a pavilion dv6000 but with nvidia graphics
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[07:16:22] <DHowett> So. Do you guys think it's worth it? $40 for a b/w laser printer, new, 23 ppm, 2400x600 dpi. "Brother" is the brand. Good reviews on amazon.
[07:21:27] <geist> nope
[07:21:34] <geist> but i never use printers anyway
[07:22:11] <DHowett> bah ;)
[07:22:43] <DHowett> Given that you don't use printers anyway, would it be best to disregard that sentiment? XD
[07:22:43] <DHowett> :)
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[07:24:25] <Duggan> I dunno how good Brother's laser printers are but $40 for any laser printer sounds like a decent deal
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[07:25:36] <geist> it's not the price of the printer, it's the price of the ink
[07:25:43] <geist> nowadays they practically give it away
[07:25:51] <geist> make all their money back in ink/toner
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[07:26:32] <DHowett> True
[07:26:58] <DHowett> high cap toner is about 38; and drums. I need to learn how laser printers work and why they need those pieces :P
[07:28:01] <DHowett> Then again, there's this $11,000 Xerox laser printer that has a hard drive...
[07:30:06] <geist> yeah, that's pretty common. ink costs about as much as the printer itself
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[09:28:04] <mmu_man> plop
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[09:33:57] <DHowett> Hey! An air-bop!
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[09:34:12] <JonathanThompson> I thought you needed a change of pace ;)
[09:36:49] <DHowett> :P
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[09:52:39] <CKJBeOS> hi
[09:54:50] <DHowett> hey CKJBeOS
[09:55:32] <CKJBeOS> i need help to find bug in app
[09:55:52] <CKJBeOS> i have a network source compile but not work
[09:56:12] <CKJBeOS> the same source work in R5 + Bone
[09:57:27] <JonathanThompson> What are the error messages?
[09:57:55] <JonathanThompson> I'd suggest you do a grep in the header directories to see if the things it doesn't find are located in different header files, or if they don't exist at all.
[09:58:03] <CKJBeOS> the tcp/ip send() return -1
[09:58:39] <JonathanThompson> So, it compiles without problems, but it doesn't work as expected?
[09:58:53] <CKJBeOS> yes it compile fine
[09:59:09] <JonathanThompson> Are you in Haiku right now, online?
[09:59:22] <CKJBeOS> yes
[09:59:37] <CKJBeOS> i use BeIDE
[09:59:41] <JonathanThompson> Ok, I just had to check that your hardware and system were supported...
[10:00:05] <CKJBeOS> what do you need
[10:00:25] <CKJBeOS> i can send you the source
[10:00:29] <JonathanThompson> Unfortunately, that's about as much help as I'm able to give you, since I don't have a recent enough Haiku system running.  It may be a bug in Haiku's network support, for all I know.
[10:00:46] <JonathanThompson> And I'm not experienced in network programming...
[10:00:52] <CKJBeOS> oh ok ;)
[10:01:06] <mmu_man> still with that error ?
[10:01:14] <CKJBeOS> yep ;(
[10:01:41] <mmu_man> you are linking to the correct network lib, are you ?
[10:01:54] <JonathanThompson> Multithreading?  Sure :)  Multiprocessing?  Sure :)  Sockets programming?  Weak :(  (did some named pipes development under Windows, but that won't help here)
[10:02:02] <CKJBeOS> i think
[10:02:09] <umccullough> using BeIDE sounds like he's probably using R5 headers
[10:02:18] <JonathanThompson> Probably.
[10:02:20] <umccullough> and possibly using the R5 build tools
[10:02:29] <JonathanThompson> Which may result in things not being quite correct.
[10:02:36] <umccullough> sounds like a frankenstein haiku system ;)
[10:02:43] * umccullough notes he's using a beos version of Vision as well
[10:02:46] <CKJBeOS> i use beide, but i have installed tools from Haiku www
[10:02:50] <JonathanThompson> That's Franku to you ;)
[10:02:59] <umccullough> you installed them manually?
[10:03:04] <umccullough> you likely didn't get the headers
[10:03:07] <CKJBeOS> yep i have get vision on my beos partition :)
[10:03:32] <umccullough> if you build your own haiku images, you can automatically include the development tools (which will install the headers) and a haiku version of vision
[10:03:49] <umccullough> mixing R5 stuff is ... nasty ;)
[10:04:01] <CKJBeOS> hum !!!
[10:04:07] <JonathanThompson> It's like Frankenstein/not quite a natural beast/It compiles, not runs ;)
[10:04:14] <CKJBeOS> i must see if i use correct headers
[10:06:10] <umccullough> you'll know the Haiku headers, they mostly say copyright haiku, inc at the top
[10:06:18] <umccullough> with some exceptions :/
[10:06:53] <CKJBeOS> ok go back later
[10:07:01] <CKJBeOS> return to R5
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[10:07:26] <umccullough> <sigh>
[10:07:34] <umccullough> anyhow, i should think about sleepytime
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[10:07:48] <DHowett> 'night umccullough.. good idea here too :P
[10:08:06] * umccullough starts nursing a sleepy-time beer
[10:08:47] <umccullough> someday i'll have to go to BG too :)
[10:09:00] <umccullough> i'd actually like very much to go to europe
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[10:12:00] <CKJBeOS> ok i'm back on R5
[10:12:15] <CKJBeOS> i have mount the Haiku latest build
[10:12:28] <CKJBeOS> but i can't find the headers ;(
[10:12:38] <umccullough> nope, they're part of the "development" package
[10:12:54] <CKJBeOS> ok go to dwl it :)
[10:13:00] <umccullough> you get them if you build your own images and add "Development" optional package
[10:13:07] <umccullough> it's not something you download
[10:13:32] <umccullough> unless you download the haiku sources, and grab the public headers manually
[10:13:52] <CKJBeOS> arg !
[10:14:23] <umccullough> proper way to setup a haiku development environment is to build your own image with the "Development" optional package
[10:14:28] <umccullough> or do it all manually
[10:14:43] <umccullough> http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages
[10:15:01] <umccullough> alll the steps to do it manually would be listed in that jamfile under "Development"
[10:15:20] <umccullough> it's way easier to just build your own ;)
[10:15:30] <umccullough> or get Senryu or something which already has it all
[10:16:08] <umccullough> there's *supposed* to be development images already here: http://haiku-files.org/dev/
[10:16:16] <umccullough> but Sikosis slacked off and never finished them
[10:17:10] <CKJBeOS> snifff
[10:17:20] <CKJBeOS> thx for informations
[10:17:30] <umccullough> you have a linux box to use for building images?
[10:17:36] <CKJBeOS> no
[10:17:45] <umccullough> you can do it with R5,but you'll have to install the cross compiler
[10:17:53] <umccullough> it's a bit of work
[10:18:34] <umccullough> amazingly, it's probably a lot easier to build haiku using haiku ;)
[10:18:50] <CKJBeOS> he he ;)
[10:19:08] <umccullough> but getting the development env setup is the hard part unless someone gives you an image with all the tools already :P]
[10:19:10] <umccullough> :P
[10:19:42] <CKJBeOS> i can test to get the GCC for haiku and headers
[10:19:53] <CKJBeOS> and try with them
[10:20:02] <umccullough> i'd build and send you an image, but right now my haiku build machine is ...
[10:20:04] <umccullough> torn apart
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[10:21:22] <CKJBeOS> i get this http://haiku-files.org/files/optional-packages/gcc-2.95.3-haiku-080323.zip and get hedaers !
[10:21:32] <CKJBeOS> first step to try
[10:21:40] <umccullough> that won't have the haiku headers
[10:21:51] <CKJBeOS> yep i get with svn
[10:22:06] <umccullough> ah, yeah, follow the instructions in the OptionalPackages jamfile
[10:22:10] <umccullough> 'night
[10:22:13] <umccullough> sleep
[10:22:17] <CKJBeOS> thx
[10:22:50] <mmu_man> re
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[11:07:32] <judgen> hmm heavy internet loads crashes bone for me... any ideas?`
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[11:08:55] <leszek_fh> judgen, network stack is unstable
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[11:09:37] <judgen> how afully annoying
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[11:12:37] <ddew|bofh> g'day
[11:19:44] <judgen> gday ddew|bofh
[11:20:48] <ddew|bofh> gah, financing studies sucks
[11:21:11] <ddew|bofh> there's like no way i could afford doing my degree
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[11:43:46] <judgen> time for reinstall
[11:43:46] <judgen> cya
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[13:03:28] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28245 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/smp.cpp:
[13:03:28] <CIA-60> Fixed bug introduced in r28223: The counter whose modulo was used as
[13:03:28] <CIA-60> index into the sLastCaller array is vint32, so after overflowing the
[13:03:28] <CIA-60> modulo operation would yield negative indices. This would cause the
[13:03:28] <CIA-60> 256 bytes before the array to be overwritten. Might also be the cause of
[13:03:31] <CIA-60> #2866.
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[13:41:17] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28246 /haiku/trunk/src/system/runtime_loader/elf.cpp:
[13:41:17] <CIA-60> Patch by romain: Fixed FD leak after opening an image that has already
[13:41:17] <CIA-60> been loaded.
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[14:04:37] <Begasus> 'lo peeps
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[14:49:37] <mmu_man> ahh, BeBook looks much better in hubbub builds
[14:50:10] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/beos/shots/shot_beos_netsurf_hubbub_vs_xml_001.png
[15:05:08] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28247 /haiku/trunk/ (6 files in 5 dirs):
[15:05:08] <CIA-60> Consistently use KDEBUG. It is always defined and therefore must be
[15:05:08] <CIA-60> checked with "#if".
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[15:20:56] <ddew|bofh> o/
[15:22:10] <ddew|bofh> vlc crashing with a segment violation when using OSS is a know bug, right?
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[15:46:23] <ddew|bofh> heh, there's something ridiculously satisfying about running haiku/beos on a quad
[15:46:43] <ddew|bofh> last time i did was way back on a powercomputer quad 604e ppc
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[15:49:59] <thotypous> hi
[15:50:15] <thotypous> mmu_man OSS works greatly in Haiku :)
[15:50:16] <thotypous> plop
[15:50:26] <mmu_man> thx
[15:50:32] <BGA> thebolt, not really. :P
[15:50:35] <mmu_man> still some issues though
[15:50:40] <BGA> mmu_man, don't let him fool you!
[15:50:48] <thotypous> lol :P
[15:51:27] <BGA> I mean to say thotypous.
[15:51:34] <BGA> meant
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[16:01:09] <Pimentel-ES> mac is able to run haiku?
[16:02:28] <mmu_man> depends
[16:02:46] <mmu_man> intel Macs might be able to with some trickery
[16:02:57] <mmu_man> (bootcamp or some other stuff, until we fully support EFI)
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[16:03:23] <mmu_man> the PPC port is not well maintained and so lacks some parts
[16:04:50] <Pimentel-ES> i dont know how bootcamp works...  it emulates bios on top of the EFI?
[16:05:30] <DeadYak> precisely.
[16:05:44] <thotypous> Pimentel-ES apple did it to be able to run Windows in the mac O.o
[16:05:59] <thotypous> Pimentel-ES http://www.apple.com/br/macosx/features/bootcamp.html
[16:06:14] <Yaroze> Pimentel-ES: the bios emu in efi has nothing todo with bootcamp :)
[16:06:56] <Yaroze> Bootcamp is just an app to burn a windowscd with drivers and split a partition in half :P
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[16:11:16] <mmu_man> well, I don't use overpriced PCs^W^Wmacs
[16:13:19] <thotypous> mmu_man, my usb stick flashes its light all the time.. is it writing or only reading? if it's writing, it should be not wise to boot haiku from an usb stick :P
[16:13:48] <Pimentel-ES> o.O
[16:13:49] <Pimentel-ES> RIP
[16:14:03] <DeadYak> booting mostly involves reading so that shouldn't be an issue
[16:14:12] <DeadYak> unless you have so little RAM that you're swapping on your flash stick also
[16:14:31] <thotypous> no, virtual memory is disabled
[16:14:42] <ddew|bofh> most usb-sticks nowadays have a wear-balancing function as well
[16:15:05] <ddew|bofh> to avoid wearing out sections
[16:15:40] <mmu_man> yeah it should be mostly harmless
[16:15:46] <mmu_man> but of course it won't last forever
[16:15:49] <mmu_man> so make backups :)
[16:16:03] <mmu_man> (does he says, he who never makes any)
[16:16:07] <ddew|bofh> it might shorten the lifespan from 20 to 10 years, but it's not a major issue :)
[16:16:08] <mmu_man> "google is my backup" :D
[16:16:13] <ddew|bofh> hehe
[16:16:25] <ddew|bofh> "i upload to ftp and let the world mirror it"
[16:16:36] <thotypous> should the audio mixer settings be saved? they are not being saved here
[16:16:40] <ddew|bofh> regarding backing up the linux source
[16:16:47] <DeadYak> mmu_man: you mean free.fr isn't your backup? :)
[16:16:57] <mmu_man> thotypous with OSS ?
[16:17:18] <mmu_man> I didn't really check this, I'm not sure the save code is working, it was copied from multiaudio code
[16:17:30] <mmu_man> or do you mean the system mixer itself
[16:17:32] <ddew|bofh> not to be an ass or anything, but is the OSS work considered usable yet?
[16:17:41] <thotypous> mmu_man, the system mixer itself
[16:17:43] <mmu_man> ddew|bofh well it works for me
[16:17:55] <ddew|bofh> without popping and crackling?
[16:17:57] <thotypous> ddew|bofh I can hear sound and use the mic :P
[16:18:02] <ddew|bofh> heh
[16:18:11] <mmu_man> ddew|bofh it should be better now but not perfect
[16:18:13] <mmu_man> working on it
[16:18:20] <thotypous> I get popping and crackling in vmware, but not in real hardware
[16:18:40] <mmu_man> I'm surprised it works in vmware
[16:18:40] <ddew|bofh> mmu_man: i love the OSS port, so when i say "working" i mean flwlessly :)
[16:18:46] <mmu_man> I never got it to work in qemu
[16:19:37] <ddew|bofh> oss works ok with mediaplayer here, minus some crackling. but vlc flat out refuses to work
[16:19:37] <mmu_man> using it in an emulator is probably suboptimal
[16:19:46] <mmu_man> it likely has timing issues
[16:19:55] <mmu_man> at least it seems to be the problem in qemu
[16:19:57] <thotypous> yes
[16:20:05] <thotypous> vmware has timing issues too
[16:20:23] <thotypous> often when running BSD in vmware I get timer running faster than the real hardware
[16:21:17] <mmu_man> ddew|bofh vlc doesn't like the overly big default latency
[16:21:26] <ddew|bofh> ah, i see
[16:21:28] <mmu_man> current version of the media node should be better
[16:21:49] <ddew|bofh> isn't the latest already in the build system?
[16:22:35] <thotypous> I'm surprised to see how Haiku is power-conservative
[16:22:55] <thotypous> if I was running in Linux without cpufreq, my fan would be running now, only using IRC and firefox
[16:23:02] <ddew|bofh> and it's fast too, even when using vesa
[16:23:27] <thotypous> Haiku in the other way doesn't do cpu frequency control yet, and fan didn't run at all
[16:23:49] <CIA-60> bonefish * r28248 /haiku/trunk/ (13 files in 5 dirs):
[16:23:49] <CIA-60> * Moved more debug macros to kernel_debug_config.h.
[16:23:49] <CIA-60> * Turned the checks for all those macros to "#if"s instead of "#ifdef"s.
[16:23:49] <CIA-60> * Introduced macro KDEBUG_LEVEL which serves as a master setting.
[16:24:10] <mmu_man> ddew|bofh yes the svn HEAD
[16:24:33] <mmu_man> thotypous anyone already ran a battery bench on some eeepc like yet ?
[16:24:41] <mmu_man> to compare with XP & linux ?
[16:25:22] <thotypous> I don't know
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[16:43:53] <Pimentel-ES> bye ppl
[16:43:56] <Pimentel-ES> thanks for the help
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[16:55:39] <thotypous> http://haiku.pastebin.com/m65b106d6
[16:59:10] <thotypous> mmu_man hey, you had written the quickcam driver, right?
[16:59:25] <thotypous> I have a quickcam, but it doesn't get detected: http://haiku.pastebin.com/m65b106d6
[16:59:29] <thotypous> how can I debug it?
[16:59:33] <thotypous> http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/xref/src/add-ons/media/media-add-ons/usb_webcam/addons/quickcam/QuickCamDevice.cpp
[16:59:38] <thotypous> {{ 0, 0, 0, 0x046d, 0x0840 }, "Logitech", "QuickCam Express", NULL },
[16:59:45] <thotypous> it's the same product id and vendor id
[16:59:54] <thotypous> and I have the usb_webcam addon in my image
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[17:01:00] <umccullough> perhaps it's not part of the image by default
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[17:01:19] <thotypous>  /boot/beos/system/add-ons/media> grep 'QuickCam Express' usb_webcam.media_addon    Binary file usb_webcam.media_addon matches
[17:01:32] <thotypous> the grep finds it
[17:01:41] <umccullough> ah
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[17:02:21] <thotypous> and it's the only place in the code this string is defined: http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/search?q=QuickCam+Express&defs=&refs=&path=&hist=
[17:03:51] <thotypous> the addon should show up in "ps" if it was loaded, right? but it doesn't show up
[17:04:09] <DeadYak> no, it shouldn't
[17:04:25] <thotypous> hm :~
[17:04:30] <DeadYak> an addon will never show up in ps on its own, it's always loaded by another team
[17:04:32] <DeadYak> hence add-on
[17:04:34] <umccullough> it's loaded by the media server ass needed
[17:04:35] <umccullough> as
[17:04:40] <DeadYak> in this case it would be loaded by media_addon_server
[17:04:41] <umccullough> ;)
[17:04:46] <umccullough> that's the one :P
[17:04:59] <umccullough> it's not a kernel driver loaded at boot
[17:05:05] <thotypous> it should show up in Video Settings as a Video Input list option, right?
[17:05:17] <DeadYak> probably
[17:05:20] * DeadYak prods mmu_man
[17:05:40] <thotypous> I didn't find it anywhere
[17:05:45] <umccullough> anyhow, i was checking the jamfile, and it looks like the "quickcam" dir is certainly included at build time :)
[17:06:05] <thotypous> yes, it wouldn't show up at the grep if it was not compiled
[17:06:07] <DeadYak> umccullough: the only thing that really matters is it being mentioned in build/jam/HaikuImage
[17:06:13] <DeadYak> whether the dir's included or not
[17:06:19] <umccullough> DeadYak, yeah, but that's just usb_webcam
[17:06:28] <umccullough> there are two sub-types - quickcam and sonix
[17:06:32] <umccullough> in subdirs
[17:06:43] <DeadYak> yep.
[17:08:12] <thotypous> plop mmu_man
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[18:10:42] <mmu_man> re
[18:11:39] <dr_evil> hi
[18:12:08] <dr_evil> mmu_man I ordered 7 windows today (but not Windows)
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[18:30:51] <mmu_man> dr_evil lol
[18:31:05] <mmu_man> make sure you don't leave them open ;)
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[18:36:51] <miqlas> http://www.motifake.com/motivational_posters/ccd164b270.jpg
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[18:37:37] <mmu_man> ROTFL
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[18:42:57] <miqlas> Hello mmu!
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[18:53:08] <miqlas> http://www.motifake.com/motivational_posters/ccd292f265.jpg
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[18:56:50] <ddew|bofh> o/
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[19:54:57] <plfiorini> hello there
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[20:19:24] <leszek> re
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[20:24:10] <thotypous> hi
[20:24:23] <thotypous> mmu_man did you received my messages about the webcam stuff?
[20:24:36] <mmu_man> mail ?
[20:24:43] <thotypous> irc
[20:25:03] <mmu_man> ah memoserv didn't tell me
[20:25:14] <thotypous> mmu_man http://haiku.pastebin.com/m65b106d6
[20:25:28] <mmu_man> hmm oh no that's something else
[20:25:33] <thotypous> I do own a Logitech QuickCam Express
[20:25:38] <thotypous> but it's not recognized
[20:25:49] <thotypous> I have the correct addon
[20:25:57] <mmu_man> thotypous are you registered with nickserv ?
[20:26:00] <thotypous> yes
[20:26:15] <thotypous> [x] is signed on as account thotypous
[20:26:16] <mmu_man> if you aren't identified you can't send private messages on freenode
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[20:26:19] <mmu_man> ah
[20:26:23] <mmu_man> oddly I didn't get it
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[20:26:31] <thotypous> mmu_man I said in the channel :P
[20:26:47] <mmu_man> ah, now I see it
[20:26:49] <mmu_man> I was away
[20:27:05] <thotypous> :D
[20:27:13] <thotypous> do you have any idea on how to debug it?
[20:27:25] <thotypous> it should show up at the Media preferences dialog, right?
[20:27:29] <thotypous> as a Video Input device
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[20:30:21] <thotypous> I'm going to class now, cya
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[21:02:20] <CIA-60> korli * r28249 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/acpi/acpi_device.c: acpi_get_object can be called with a null path
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[21:26:02] <AndrevS> hoi
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[21:39:37] <CIA-60> mmu_man * r28250 /haiku/trunk/build/scripts/build_cross_tools_gcc4:
[21:39:56] * Stefan100 plops mmu_man
[21:40:03] <mmu_man> plop
[21:40:29] <Stefan100> save me from NT. enlighten me more about Haiku D:<
[21:40:41] * Stefan100 tired after hunting a registry bug for 3 hours
[21:41:53] <Stefan100> one missing reference among hundreds of thousands is awesome, no?
[21:43:07] <CIA-60> mmu_man * r28251 /haiku/trunk/ (build/jam/BuildSetup configure): Add OpenBSD to the list of supported build platforms.
[21:43:15] <mmu_man> eh
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[21:44:37] <DeadYak> mmu_man: building on an OpenBSD box now too?
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[21:47:59] <mmu_man> DeadYak someone else
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[21:57:44] <plfiorini> OMG megadeth are always impressive
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[21:59:36] * MauriceK sets up new haiku build system...
[22:00:18] <mmu_man> on OpenBSD ? :p
[22:02:37] <plfiorini> wow is openbsd now supported?
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[22:03:59] <mmu_man> plfiorini someone is trying to build on it yes
[22:04:07] <mmu_man> he's having probs with makeinfo
[22:04:32] <DeadYak> interesting, I would've thought OBSD would work more or less out of the box since FreeBSD does
[22:07:45] <mmu_man> well FreeBSD wasn't supported either for gcc2 it seems
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[22:08:35] <DeadYak> mmu_man: news to me :)
[22:08:52] <DeadYak> [rene@leviathan ~/devel/haiku]$ uname -a
[22:08:52] <DeadYak> FreeBSD leviathan.comcast.net 7.0-RELEASE-p5 FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p5 #0: Wed Oct  1 10:10:12 UTC 2008     root at i386-builder dot daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  i386
[22:08:57] <DeadYak> hybrid build works flawlessly here
[22:09:04] <mmu_man> at least the gcc2 script doesn't force gmake on it
[22:09:09] <mmu_man> ah
[22:09:58] <DeadYak> only problem I ran into was FreeBSD not supporting gcc -m32 on amd64, hence the i386 build
[22:10:05] <DeadYak> otherwise works fine with both compilers
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[22:34:27] <miqlas> Hello Guys!
[22:34:36] <miqlas> Drawing and drawing... http://boly.hu/~miqlas/upload/kenes_es_tomites.pdf
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[23:37:36] <brobostigon> good evening
[23:38:37] <brobostigon> can someone clarify how to install to a real partition under linux, i have jam building images fine, and ideas?
[23:40:31] <CIA-60> korli * r28252 /haiku/trunk/src/tools/vmdkimage/vmdkimage.cpp: takes into account the offset used in realpath(). see bug #2895. Thanks kaliber!
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[23:43:45] <korli> brobostigon: http://www.haiku-os.org/documents/dev/installing_haiku_to_a_partition_from_linux
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[23:47:38] <k-os> i keep getting "missing library" on certain programs, this time BeMSN. how should i interpret that message exactly?
[23:48:07] <mmu_man> that it's missing a library :)
[23:48:23] <brobostigon> thank you korli
[23:48:25] <mmu_man> usually it links to a libfoo.so that's not installed
[23:48:28] <k-os> hmm, how can i go deeper than that?
[23:48:47] <mmu_man> k-os if you run them from Tracker it should tell which one
[23:48:56] <mmu_man> or you can also enable syslog in the kernel settings
[23:49:07] <mmu_man> you should get infos in /var/log/syslog
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[23:52:52] <k-os> aight
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[23:57:31] <k-os> mmu_man, problem fixed ;)
[23:57:42] <mmu_man> :)

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