October 18, 2008 
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October 18, 2008 [00:01:09] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[00:03:06] <mmu_man> [Mmu-sp-plugins-commits] r1 - / trunk trunk/(MiniSpectrumPalettes) trunk/MenuBarSpectrumAnalyzer trunk/MouseSpectrumAnalyzer trunk/TitleSpectrumAnalyzer trunk/glSpectrumAnalyzer.GL1 trunk/glSpectrumAnalyzer.GL2[00:03:08] <mmu_man> \o/[00:05:51] <mmu_man> for those who want to have silly stupid useless soundplay plugins:[00:07:35] <mmu_man> http://dev.osdrawer.net/projects/show/mmu-sp-plugins[00:11:16] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[00:12:19] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[00:14:30] *** atomozero has quit IRC[00:15:57] <mmu_man> http://dev.osdrawer.net/projects/show/behappy :)[00:17:49] *** oco has joined #haiku[00:20:47] *** paul0 has quit IRC[00:23:08] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[00:27:27] <plfiorini> mmu_man, do you have screeshots of stupid useless soundplay plugins? :)[00:28:18] <plfiorini> mmu_man, BTW I'm planning to enalrge the project name field on osdrawer.net[00:28:24] *** petterhj has quit IRC[00:28:36] <plfiorini> mmu_man, i couldn't write the complete project name[00:34:13] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[00:34:25] <mmu_man> hmm I have one somewhere but not here[00:34:31] <brobostigon> good evening[00:34:40] <plfiorini> brobostigon, good night :)[00:34:46] <plfiorini> mmu_man, ok[00:34:48] <brobostigon> i have what i think is a bug to report.[00:36:33] <brobostigon> in the latest build og haiku, with oss, and with my mainboard having an "Ess Solo" soundchip, videoc na dor sound plays briefly, then the video and sound destrorts, and then haiku it sef freeyes.[00:37:21] <brobostigon> freezes[00:39:30] <CIA-5> anevilyak * r28225 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages: Add OpenSSH to list of available OptionalPackages.[00:41:59] <mmu_man> plfiorini there is one here http://web.archive.org/web/20040609004548/clapcrest.free.fr/revol/beos/soft/shot_SoundPlay_vis_TitleSpectrumAnalyzer.png[00:42:12] *** phadin has quit IRC[00:42:49] *** markos_ has quit IRC[00:45:23] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[00:46:22] <AlienSoldier> mmu_man you think you could be sound guru enought to finish that? http://www.bebits.com/app/2341[00:46:39] <AlienSoldier> the S/PIDF part i mean[00:47:18] <mmu_man> dunno[00:47:26] <mmu_man> isn't this card supported by OSS anyway ?[00:47:35] <mmu_man> it should also have SP/DIF working[00:47:52] <mmu_man> though I never tested it as I don't have anything with an input[00:48:00] <AlienSoldier> ha, OSS also do spdif, i was not knowing that[00:49:14] <AlienSoldier> i contacted Marko about it, he said he did not touched BeOS in 4 years[00:49:52] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[00:50:51] <AlienSoldier> you think he could enter a summer of code entry with this?[00:52:34] <AlienSoldier> OSS is nice, but from what i hear si not optimal audio so far[00:52:42] <AlienSoldier> *it's[00:54:30] *** Megaf has quit IRC[00:57:31] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[01:01:20] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:03:37] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[01:05:47] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[01:05:49] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[01:11:09] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[01:15:14] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[01:18:11] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[01:25:26] *** luroh has joined #haiku[01:54:42] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[01:56:36] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[02:01:02] *** aldeck has quit IRC[02:20:44] *** wildur has quit IRC[02:27:12] *** criso has joined #haiku[02:36:32] *** oco has quit IRC[02:37:46] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[02:39:20] *** luroh has quit IRC[02:40:04] *** Matias has joined #haiku[02:44:37] *** acidx has joined #haiku[02:52:51] *** plfiorini has left #haiku[02:59:01] *** thotypous has quit IRC[03:19:35] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:51:36] *** Hoern has quit IRC[04:04:11] *** criso has quit IRC[04:04:30] *** criso has joined #haiku[04:29:00] *** be-bop has joined #haiku[05:03:37] *** criso has quit IRC[05:07:22] *** acidx has quit IRC[05:07:46] *** petterhj has quit IRC[05:24:15] *** be-bop has left #haiku[05:34:00] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[05:43:42] <RandomInsano> Topic seems sort of stale now, but do drivers (especially sound in my case) that were compiled for BeOS 5.0.3 work in Haiku? I'd love to get me some sound goodness[05:52:39] <umccullough> supposedly there's a "legacy driver" compatibility layer in Haiku, but I'm not sure it works exactly[05:53:07] <umccullough> of course, mmu_man's OSS port was for beos R5 and works in Haiku, but I'm not sure if his OSS media node was recompiled specificially for Haiku or not[05:53:43] <RandomInsano> My poor ESS Maestro2 is plenty happy with the BeOS driver over on bebits, but Haiku is less so. The ATI Rage Mobility as well[05:54:01] <umccullough> have you tried OSS for the maestro2?[05:54:14] <RandomInsano> No, I can't say I have[05:54:17] <umccullough> rage mobility is gonna be tricky, i have one of those as well ;)[05:54:22] <RandomInsano> Heh[05:54:26] <umccullough> there's a guy working on a rage driver for Haiku[05:54:31] <umccullough> or, he said he would anyway[05:54:43] <umccullough> he is the guy that wrote the S3 Savage driver for Haiku[05:55:12] <RandomInsano> I'd love to talk with him about it. I'd love to learn how to write drivers on Haiku[05:55:24] <umccullough> have you written drivers before?[05:55:34] <RandomInsano> I can't imagine ATI (or AMD now...) is willing to give up spec sheets[05:55:59] <umccullough> pretty certain the Rage drivers have been pretty well RE'd by now :P[05:56:04] <RandomInsano> I can't says I have. I've done basic I/O manipulation with putc and BIOS hooks in DOS[05:56:19] <RandomInsano> Yes, what with them being 10 years oldish[05:57:44] <RandomInsano> I also have made an odd hobby out of reading the technical documentation for MCUs, ADCs, and the like. I've got the basic understanding of how things work, just not how to mesh it with the operating system[05:58:32] <umccullough> http://www.freelists.org/archives/haiku-development/05-2008/msg00225.html[05:58:49] <RandomInsano> I'm still in awe how well Haiku runs on my 2000 era laptop[05:58:53] <umccullough> i can send you his exact email address if you need it :)[05:59:34] <RandomInsano> It would be nice. If nothing else I can read his code on commutes to the university[06:00:21] <umccullough> his code is in the haiku repo[06:00:33] <umccullough> along with quite a few other video drivers if you're looking for examples :)[06:00:42] <RandomInsano> Ah! Then away I go.[06:00:55] <umccullough> i'm off, ttyl[06:01:09] <RandomInsano> Actually, how does one go about copying the code base? Is it SVN, CVS?[06:01:17] <RandomInsano> Okay. Thanks for the help[06:01:21] <RandomInsano> and info[06:01:27] <umccullough> svn[06:01:40] <RandomInsano> I'll do some digging into it[06:01:40] <umccullough> go to haiku-os.org and check the "getting started' seciton for developers[06:01:57] <RandomInsano> That makes too much sense :P[06:02:06] <umccullough> http://dev.haiku-os.org has a link to browse sources too[06:02:40] <umccullough> yep, gotta jet now[06:02:48] <umccullough> gl, should be people here who can help :)[06:02:58] <RandomInsano> thanks[06:10:56] <DeadYak> fyi, the rage chip has full specs available afaik[06:11:02] <DeadYak> as do most of ATI's parts[06:11:27] <RandomInsano> Maybe I'll dig on http://www.datasheets.org.uk/[06:12:40] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[06:12:40] <RandomInsano> Hmm... can't find it that way without the chip number me thinks. I'd need to dig in my box of old hardware[06:13:31] <Kokito> howdy[06:13:37] <RandomInsano> Allo![06:13:48] <Kokito> hola! :)[06:15:22] <RandomInsano> Hmm... It's getting somewhat late over here given that I have to work tomorrow morning. I'm going away from the computer for now, but if anyone else knows how I can learn the ins and outs of driver creation PM me any useful tidbits[06:15:30] <RandomInsano> Goodnight all[06:16:52] <Kokito> night RandomInsano[06:37:46] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[06:40:23] <mmadia> has anyone seen this news: http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2008/04/adobe-drops-lic.html ?[06:41:44] <mmadia> .... notices the date on the article.[06:50:48] *** mmadia has quit IRC[07:08:54] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[07:15:20] *** Kokito has left #haiku[07:25:35] *** Master199 has quit IRC[07:26:38] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[07:40:28] <pyCube> hmm.. what are some movies you guys liked as kids?[07:57:47] <geist> D.A.R.Y.L.[07:57:56] <geist> that was the shit[08:04:04] <JonathanThompson> Gremlins.[08:04:20] * JonathanThompson loves exploding gremlins in microwaves, or sent through a blender[08:22:47] <pyCube> hmm.. forgot about daryl[08:23:05] <pyCube> my kids have already seen (and love) gremlins[08:23:08] <pyCube> heh[08:23:51] <pyCube> tying to think of movies to watch with the kids[08:24:55] *** pyCube_ has joined #haiku[08:24:56] *** pyCube has quit IRC[08:37:00] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[08:42:15] *** Matias has quit IRC[08:44:25] *** tolimanB has quit IRC[08:53:02] *** Xenexi has joined #haiku[08:55:09] *** adb has quit IRC[08:56:41] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[09:03:07] *** HaikuwareDev has joined #Haiku[09:14:42] *** pyCube_ has quit IRC[09:14:57] *** tqh has joined #haiku[09:17:59] *** Monni has joined #Haiku[09:23:43] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[09:28:52] <plfiorini> hi pyCube![09:29:01] <pyCube> hi[09:29:56] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[09:45:11] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[09:45:51] <Begasus> moin[09:47:45] <plfiorini> anyone knows the email of devid of the beclan fame?[09:48:13] <Begasus> you could try talking to slaad when he's around[09:48:41] <plfiorini> Begasus: this is why i would like to send an email by myself :)[09:48:45] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[09:49:04] <Begasus> don't know if I still have his mail around here[09:49:12] <Begasus> did you check beclan's site?[09:49:46] * plfiorini now checking againt, maybe searching late at night is harder than at 10 am[09:51:18] <plfiorini> http://www.aboutus.org/BecLan.org[09:51:22] <plfiorini> mmm BecLan?[09:52:37] <plfiorini> i didn't think about whois[09:52:40] <Begasus> http://beclan.org/[09:53:05] <plfiorini> http://whois.domaintools.com/beclan.org[09:53:08] <plfiorini> i love whois[09:53:23] <geist> david gilmour still kicks ass[09:53:25] <geist> i can attest to this[09:53:52] <plfiorini> pink floyd?[09:53:58] <geist> yah[09:54:13] <geist> just watched a new bluray of some concert he put on recently[09:54:22] <plfiorini> unfortunately i've seen only a cover band :([09:54:22] <geist> about half his own stuff, half PF stuff[09:54:26] <geist> it was fantastic[09:54:26] <plfiorini> but that was amazing[09:54:36] <plfiorini> i can't even think about the real band![09:55:36] <plfiorini> yeah, i've seen a waters dvd but there's no comparison with gilmour[09:56:08] <plfiorini> the guitarist was very skilled but it was not the same :)[09:56:27] <geist> yah[09:56:35] <geist> gilmour is amazing[09:57:41] <plfiorini> i should have been born 20 years earlier[09:57:53] <plfiorini> to see the bands i like live[09:58:05] <geist> i saw pink floyd live once, back in their division bell tour[09:58:11] <geist> guess that woulda been 1994 I guess[09:58:17] <geist> i think it as the last time they toured as PF[09:58:34] <plfiorini> i've only seen iron maiden, deep purple and judas priest, hope to attend the ac/dc concert[09:58:51] <plfiorini> but i saw deep purple two or three times with the new lineup[09:58:58] <plfiorini> without jon lord and blackmore :([09:59:31] <plfiorini> and i've totally lost rainbow, but i was not born in the '70s[10:04:59] <pyCube> i really like a lot of roger waters solo stuff[10:05:10] <geist> heh, fender just made a replica gilmour guitar[10:05:17] <geist> i was thinking, okay can't be too much eh?[10:05:20] <geist> $5k+[10:05:38] * plfiorini loves fender[10:05:51] <pyCube> i like gilmour as a guitarist, but i prefer waters music[10:06:18] <geist> yep, playing my strat right here[10:06:20] <geist> love this thing[10:06:32] <plfiorini> my current bass guitar is a P-Bass[10:06:41] <plfiorini> geist: wonder what my next bass will be?[10:06:42] <pyCube> but when it comes to guitariness, lately i've not been able to get enough zappa[10:07:18] <geist> i dunno. I only have a cheapass peavy bass[10:07:29] <geist> keep meaning to pick up something more substantial, but none of them stick out to me[10:07:46] <plfiorini> geist: another fender, a jazz bass for sure[10:07:48] <pyCube> i'd love a nice acoustic bass..[10:08:31] <pyCube> ad something dual stringy like a mandolin or 12 str guitar[10:09:03] <geist> yeah, i have an acoustic gibson i am planning on getting[10:09:12] <geist> but i need to trim down the number of guitars, to make room for the new one[10:09:46] <pyCube> i have 3.. classical acoustic, decentish electric, and decentish electric bass[10:10:07] <geist> i think i have 6 or 7[10:10:13] <pyCube> oh, and a viola..[10:10:17] <pyCube> heh[10:10:33] <pyCube> them bowed instruments are frustrating[10:11:05] *** sprma has joined #haiku[10:13:11] <pyCube> my daughter has a smaller steel str acoustic.. i like playing that one too. its got a neat twangy sound[10:15:22] <pyCube> actually.. i cant think of an instrument i'd turn down if offered to me[10:15:24] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[10:16:03] <pyCube> i was just given a nice upright piano last week. just have to get a truck and move it..[10:23:01] <geist> i keep thinking of getting a banjo too[10:28:52] *** _Lucretia___ has joined #haiku[10:30:55] <pyCube> yeah..my daughter keeps trying to con me into getting one everytime we go to the music shop[10:41:56] *** _Lucretia__ has quit IRC[10:49:27] *** Qu4Z has joined #haiku[10:54:51] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[10:55:32] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[10:55:53] <brobostigon> good morning[10:57:30] <brobostigon> 2 days ago i svn'ed haiku's source, and now have 2 folders, trunk and buildsource, i have two questions.[10:58:04] <brobostigon> how do i update that source,?[10:58:12] <geist> cd to it, run 'svn up'[10:58:38] <brobostigon> geist: to which, the folder above trunk?[10:58:48] <geist> to the folder you checked out[10:58:55] <geist> should have a directory called .svn in it[10:59:01] <geist> go to the topmost one of those and run svn up[10:59:15] <brobostigon> geist: i will have a look[10:59:23] <geist> if you checked out two of them, then run svn up in each of them[10:59:49] <geist> this is assuming you 'svn checkout' ed the source before, right?[10:59:55] <geist> if you did an svn export you'll have to do it again[11:00:36] <brobostigon> geist: i followed the linux build instructions on the site.[11:00:46] <geist> i dont know what they are[11:00:54] <geist> anyway, did you svn up?[11:01:43] *** Rakhun|away has joined #haiku[11:01:54] <brobostigon> so i do that from within trunk folder?[11:02:08] *** Rakhun|away has quit IRC[11:02:09] <geist> sure[11:02:13] <geist> i told you what to do[11:02:19] *** shiroginne has joined #haiku[11:02:21] <geist> cd to the top most directory you checked out previously[11:02:24] <brobostigon> geist: ok, thank you[11:02:26] <geist> should have a .svn dir in it[11:02:28] <geist> svn up there[11:02:29] *** Rakhun|away has joined #haiku[11:02:31] <geist> did it work?[11:02:52] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[11:03:00] <brobostigon> geist: it seems to yes,[11:03:03] <geist> excellent[11:03:18] <geist> since you probably checked out the build source seperately, you'll probably want to svn up there too[11:03:21] <geist> though that doesn't change much[11:03:59] <brobostigon> geist: it outputted "Updated to revision 28225."[11:04:14] <geist> okay[11:04:52] *** pyCube has quit IRC[11:04:56] <brobostigon> if i svn up the buildsource will u have to compile that again[11:05:04] <brobostigon> i i mean[11:05:10] <geist> if something substantial changed you probably want to[11:05:16] <geist> most likely it didn't[11:05:38] <brobostigon> geist: so i should just wait a few weeks,[11:05:45] <geist> huh?[11:06:07] <geist> wait for what?[11:06:32] <brobostigon> i mean, if nothing much changes in the buildsource, i will not update it as often as the trunk[11:06:33] *** begasus_ has joined #haiku[11:06:45] <geist> sure, ut you can run svn up whenever you want[11:06:49] <geist> you'll see if the files change or not[11:06:58] <geist> if they do, then maybe you should rebuild everything[11:07:03] <geist> but they probably wont[11:07:14] <brobostigon> geist: ok, thank you for your help there.[11:07:19] <geist> sure[11:07:51] <brobostigon> geist: also, i have been told that you have a powerpc port, can i try that out aswell.[11:08:03] <geist> i dont think it's really complete[11:08:21] <brobostigon> geist: so i shouldnt try it yet.[11:08:28] <geist> probably not, no[11:08:39] <brobostigon> geist: ok, thank you again.[11:09:24] <brobostigon> geist: can i report a bug i had, when i tried the last build i made,[11:09:34] <geist> sure[11:09:35] *** Begasus has quit IRC[11:09:40] *** begasus_ is now known as Begasus[11:09:55] <Begasus> re[11:10:52] <brobostigon> geist: my soundcard is an ess solo, i installed OSS, to get sound output, so i started to play an mp3 with vlc, and it started stuttering, and then after a few seconds it caused haiku to freeze up,[11:11:01] <geist> ah[11:12:16] <brobostigon> geist: it failed to respond to nay keyboard input at all, and hard to restart via the power switch[11:13:50] <brobostigon> geist: i thought that was major though, and i try to report anything,[11:13:58] <geist> sure[11:14:08] <geist> did you report it?[11:14:17] <brobostigon> geist: how,[11:14:25] <geist> there's a bug database[11:15:35] <brobostigon> geist: i will try and find it.[11:16:00] <geist> it's off the web page somewhere[11:16:03] <geist> I dont remember where[11:16:06] *** HaikuwareDev has quit IRC[11:16:58] <brobostigon> i will find it.[11:17:10] <HeTo> http://dev.haiku-os.org/[11:18:32] <brobostigon> thank you HeTo[11:22:04] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[11:22:47] <CIA-5> bonefish * r28226 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/FileRules:[11:22:47] <CIA-5> Changed CopySetHaikuRevision1 actions not to fail, when either of the[11:22:47] <CIA-5> tools doesn't exist. Fixes #2860.[11:23:14] *** Rakhun|away is now known as Rakhun[11:29:24] <brobostigon> ok thank you for your help everyone,[11:29:45] *** brobostigon has left #haiku[11:29:46] <geist> okay, see ya around[11:35:04] *** sprma has quit IRC[11:35:17] <CIA-5> bonefish * r28227 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages:[11:35:17] <CIA-5> Fail when the OpenSSH optional package is enabled and[11:35:17] <CIA-5> HAIKU_IMAGE_HOST_NAME is not set.[11:35:57] *** korli has joined #haiku[11:35:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[11:38:52] <tqh> ooh, newer synaptics touchpads can probably support multitouch[11:49:04] *** Qu4Z has quit IRC[11:53:19] *** Ingenu_ has joined #Haiku[12:01:22] *** judgen has joined #haiku[12:01:43] <judgen> CET=Central Eastern American Timezone?[12:02:06] <Monni> CET = Central European Time ;)[12:02:27] <judgen> oh[12:02:37] <judgen> what is the timezone of nevada then?[12:02:56] *** nils_t has quit IRC[12:03:46] <Monni> no single timezone, but PST is one[12:04:20] <judgen> im going to las vegas to gamble a little and look at the worlds second most advanced fountain[12:04:27] *** Qu4Z has joined #haiku[12:04:43] <judgen> hope it will be fun[12:04:45] <Monni> MST is other[12:04:53] <judgen> inject some money into the american economy.[12:05:07] <Monni> it sure needs it... close to bankrupt ;)[12:05:09] *** Xenexi has quit IRC[12:05:20] <judgen> seems so[12:06:04] <Monni> would be scary to see USD as low as Italian lire was compared to other currencies...[12:06:10] <judgen> but is it true that gambling in the US is actually illegal, the only places you can gamble at is the areas own by the indians as they have autonomy over laws in the reservations?[12:07:08] <Monni> nope[12:07:35] <Monni> it's covered by state laws in Nevada...[12:08:20] <judgen> seems (atleast according to wikipedia) only three places that arent owned by indians are allowed to host legalized gambles so far.[12:08:36] <judgen> Atlantic city, nevada, and tunica.[12:08:59] *** Begasus has quit IRC[12:09:35] <judgen> LOL I allready got the payout on the Obama/McCain election[12:09:45] <judgen> most people seems to think its over.[12:09:54] <judgen> so they payed allready.[12:10:13] <judgen> the odds werent good though only 1.2 times the money =P[12:10:18] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[12:10:18] *** Ingenu_ is now known as Ingenu[12:10:28] <geist> nice[12:10:33] <judgen> made 200SEK[12:10:50] <judgen> not a fortune... (about 37usd)[12:11:17] <geist> i love it when you try to ping your box and get a dest host unreachable[12:11:33] <judgen> geist hope your trying to be funny...[12:12:25] <judgen> geist Some sites claim to have used Be engineers in Cobalt. You are a Be engineer so far i know, did they?[12:12:45] <geist> in cobalt?[12:12:51] <judgen> yeah[12:12:56] <geist> what is cobalt?[12:13:04] <judgen> aka palmos6[12:13:09] <geist> oh that[12:13:12] <geist> yeah, lots of em[12:13:15] <judgen> nice[12:13:21] <geist> too bad it's totally dead[12:13:53] <judgen> what i would like in the next palm plattform is the abillity to have a bluetooth mouse so i would tear less on the screen.[12:14:06] <geist> you aint gonna get it from cobalt[12:14:08] <geist> that's dead[12:14:11] <judgen> i know[12:14:16] <judgen> ALP is alive and well though[12:14:30] <geist> ALP has essentially zero to do with anything previously[12:14:37] <judgen> ok[12:14:37] <geist> they killed pretty much every product within palmsource[12:14:42] <geist> no Be engineers left[12:14:45] <geist> most are at android[12:15:06] <judgen> then why buy it? if they know palm was leaving garnet in the dust?[12:15:20] <geist> that's a very good question[12:15:21] <judgen> Cool Be at android.[12:15:25] <geist> companies do a lot of dumb shit[12:15:44] <judgen> the liscensing ends at 2010 so palm will probably discontinue garnet by then totally.[12:15:57] <geist> palm or palmsource?[12:16:03] <geist> remember they're not the same thing *at all*[12:16:07] <geist> i work at palm[12:16:10] <judgen> palmsource does not exist afaik[12:16:19] <geist> that's correct[12:16:32] <judgen> access holds the IP and palm lisences garnett from them[12:16:47] <geist> correct[12:16:54] <geist> for it's palmos based products[12:17:12] <judgen> Id take a palmos product over winCE any day,[12:17:15] <judgen> .[12:17:54] <judgen> and it seems im not the only one thinking CE sucks. Thus the nokia and google effort with linux i guess.[12:18:06] <geist> yeah[12:18:12] <geist> i 100% agree[12:18:40] <judgen> i was thinking of buying a palm centro or a treo, but it seems the palmos treo is less powerful than the win version.[12:18:56] <geist> why does that matter/[12:19:02] <geist> do you frequently hit the cpu limits?[12:19:04] <judgen> not really[12:19:46] <judgen> but i would like something that can run CoMI (64mb ram required)[12:19:56] <judgen> the lifedrive can do it though.[12:20:11] <geist> no idea what that is[12:20:16] <judgen> Curse of monkey island[12:20:24] <judgen> through scummvm[12:20:26] <geist> uh okay[12:20:28] <geist> why?[12:20:34] <judgen> its fun[12:20:37] <geist> this is some sort of purchasing requirement for your handheld?[12:20:37] <judgen> and why not.[12:20:54] <geist> well, i can think of a few reasons why not[12:21:37] <judgen> well not really, but if im buying a palmos based device i would like to be able to run things that require 64mb ram... like opera+ibm websphere.[12:22:00] <judgen> on a 32mb device it crashes often due to low memory[12:22:00] <geist> well okay then[12:22:38] * geist bites his tongue[12:22:49] <geist> when we do our new thing, that's all gonna be totally irrelevant[12:22:52] <judgen> CoMI is a good test, i brought a SD card with it to a retailer and it didnt work on the centro =([12:23:01] <judgen> geist awsome[12:23:24] <judgen> geist how long till the "next thing" if you have a qualified guess?[12:23:27] <judgen> just a guess[12:23:57] <judgen> im a loyal palm buyer so im intrigued.[12:24:15] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[12:24:26] <judgen> will there be a garnet layer to run the myriad of apps out there for it?[12:24:30] <geist> can't talk about it[12:24:44] <judgen> nothing at all?[12:24:44] <geist> but i can tell you that we're really actually doing something this time[12:24:52] <judgen> cool[12:24:57] <geist> the company got seriously reset about a year ago and we're doing things for real now[12:25:06] <geist> no one will see it coming[12:25:07] <judgen> please say that the next product will be aluminum[12:25:41] <judgen> plastics just looses the shine after a while[12:25:44] <geist> wish i could talk to my server[12:25:50] <judgen> (talking about casings)[12:25:50] <geist> seems to be in a routing hell[12:26:06] <geist> hah, aluminum[12:26:08] <judgen> i have a BeOS router =P[12:26:20] <geist> cant put wireless shit inside aluminum[12:26:46] <judgen> but atleast metal, metal just gets prettier and shiny when used[12:26:56] <geist> can't put radios inside metal[12:27:01] <geist> dont work[12:27:12] <geist> or works like crap (like my macbook pro)[12:27:21] <judgen> isnt the lifedrive in ALU? and it works fine, i can sit at the road and access peoples unlocked internet[12:27:29] <geist> lifedrive aint a fone[12:27:35] <judgen> true[12:28:29] <judgen> hehe when we drove the the town of Ume ive lost internet access for about 2 sec during the ride, that was awsome.[12:28:51] <judgen> with a moped though, so it had plenty of time to negotiate[12:29:09] <judgen> moped cars. Electric thingys[12:29:26] <judgen> 30km/h[12:29:32] <geist> uh huh[12:29:38] <Monni> that's slower than bicycle ;)[12:29:47] <judgen> geist did you work for yT?[12:29:53] <geist> nope[12:29:56] <judgen> Monni damn you cycle fast[12:30:09] <judgen> geist were you in a video with bernd?[12:30:14] <geist> nope[12:30:18] <Monni> I can even run that fast...[12:30:27] <judgen> geist do you know what Be engineer that was?[12:30:36] <geist> nope, I have no idea what video you're talking about[12:30:54] <judgen> Monni you can not run 30km/h and even if you could you coldnt do it for long.[12:31:15] <judgen> geist its a conversation about "the future of zeta"[12:31:27] <geist> okay. I still do not know of this video[12:31:31] <Monni> I didn't say for how long... but you are right, I can't for very long...[12:31:52] *** pulkomandy_ has joined #haiku[12:32:00] <judgen> Monni the worlds best runner Selassie can probably do it for 1km.[12:32:21] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[12:32:39] <judgen> geist he was quite tall, bright hair, glasses, and a little strange dialect.[12:32:46] <Monni> judgen: I only tried for about 200 m or so... co-worker was using bicycle to measure speed...[12:33:17] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[12:33:23] <geist> judgen: okay, still have no idea[12:33:36] <judgen> geist i shall try to locate the name then.[12:33:39] <geist> i could absolutely totally and complete care less about zeta[12:33:41] <geist> or yt[12:33:48] <judgen> i know[12:34:03] <judgen> but you know most of the guys at late Be?[12:34:08] <geist> yep[12:34:21] <judgen> what do you think of JLG?[12:34:25] <geist> i think i only know one guy that ended up at yt[12:34:30] <geist> allen ellis, I think[12:34:33] <judgen> ok[12:34:33] <geist> dont remember his handle[12:34:38] <judgen> that might be the guy[12:34:42] <judgen> sounds right[12:35:33] <judgen> "back at be we tried to do thing better than the competition" is one of the quotes from the guy in the video.[12:36:09] <judgen> Is JLG still in the board of directors at palm?[12:36:21] <geist> palm or palmsource?[12:36:30] <Monni> my top with exercising bike is around 60 km/h[12:36:32] <judgen> palmsource is dead....[12:36:56] <geist> then i guess he isn't the board of directors anymore, is he?[12:37:53] <judgen> Monni for how long? My Suzuki k50 can do 60km/h for days with one filling of the petrol reserve.[12:38:01] *** [Katisu]_laptop has joined #haiku[12:38:06] <judgen> geist hehe i got owned.[12:38:46] <judgen> too bad his VC blog is in french, i can only read it when drunk.... ive forgotten most of my french.[12:38:58] <Monni> judgen: I haven't tried, but I can do it for few minutes atleast[12:39:30] <Monni> would have to strap my feet securely so they won't slip...[12:39:36] <judgen> Monni a k50 can do 1metric mile for about 0,8dl[12:39:41] <judgen> 0.08 liters[12:40:04] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[12:40:05] *** [Katisu]_laptop is now known as [Katisu][12:40:12] <judgen> Monni im guessing youre quite an athleete[12:40:35] <Monni> judgen: Well... I've done running since college... that's about 10 years ago...[12:41:00] <judgen> wonder if americans would benefit from having a mandatory second and third language like us?[12:41:26] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[12:41:29] <judgen> 2min on a bike at my max speed would proably not be good for me...[12:41:47] <judgen> i have very easy to get tromolytes.[12:41:47] <Monni> it's slowing down that is fatal, not keeping up the speed ;)[12:41:52] <judgen> trombolytes[12:42:23] <judgen> aka blood clogs.[12:42:52] <Monni> I get skips if I try to do things too slow ;)[12:43:26] <judgen> i am reccomended by the doctors to take pills, but i dont want to eat then and asked for an alternative treatment... then the doctor said drink a little alcohol verty day (not much)[12:43:56] <judgen> very hard to drink only one when youre an recovering alcoholic...[12:43:58] <Monni> I start with 2 cream cakes, 6 donuts and 4 Danish ;)[12:44:16] <judgen> DAMN lucky you[12:44:25] <Monni> it's pure energy...[12:44:42] <judgen> daniskes is mostly air =)[12:44:56] <Monni> lots of burps ;)[12:45:17] <judgen> im going to try an eperment of how much mass there actually is in a danish[12:45:20] <judgen> cant be much[12:45:31] <judgen> experiment[12:45:37] <Monni> it's all the jelly and sugar that's on top of the Danish that is important ;)[12:45:44] <judgen> yeah[12:45:58] <judgen> jelly? you mean marsaan?[12:46:24] <judgen> the yellow stuff[12:47:07] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[12:47:21] <Monni> something like gelatine and similar stuff...[12:47:41] *** shiroginne has quit IRC[12:48:22] <tqh> judgen, sylt[12:52:41] <judgen> sylt rocks[12:52:44] <judgen> gtg[12:52:50] *** judgen has quit IRC[12:56:39] *** pulkomandy_ has quit IRC[12:57:18] *** pulkomandy_ has joined #haiku[13:00:07] *** ddew|bofh has joined #haiku[13:00:27] <ddew|bofh> HELO[13:01:50] <Begasus> hi[13:03:00] <ddew|bofh> this teh life. autocad 2009 fired up, plenty of cola and buckethead blaring on the stereo :)[13:05:05] *** _Lucretia__ has joined #haiku[13:08:27] <ddew|bofh> buckethead's like the greatest guitarist ever[13:17:50] *** sprma has joined #haiku[13:20:18] *** _Lucretia___ has quit IRC[13:23:38] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[13:25:39] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[13:25:56] <miqlas> Hello Guys![13:26:22] <miqlas> Soo cool, Comsol Multiphysics : http://boly.hu/~miqlas/galeria/index.php?album=g-p-szet%2Fcomsol&image=dugattyu.jpg[13:28:31] <ddew|bofh> COMSOL, is that like autodesk mechanical or something?[13:29:11] <miqlas> This is an Finite Element Analysis program.[13:29:35] <miqlas> Like Ansys, Cosmos, FEMAP, NASTRAN, etc...[13:29:40] <ddew|bofh> cool[13:30:11] *** korli has quit IRC[13:49:46] *** QuAZ has joined #haiku[13:53:42] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[14:06:35] *** El-Al has joined #haiku[14:07:15] *** Qu4Z has quit IRC[14:07:57] *** rsanches has joined #haiku[14:09:44] <El-Al> DeadYak: u there?[14:12:50] *** cherrylap has joined #haiku[14:13:16] <CIA-5> axeld * r28228 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/Window.cpp:[14:13:16] <CIA-5> * Added an ASSERT() and a check to make sure the workspace that Backmost() and[14:13:16] <CIA-5> Frontmost() are using is valid.[14:14:43] *** El-Al has quit IRC[14:15:27] *** rsanches has quit IRC[14:16:36] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[14:17:24] *** aldeck has quit IRC[14:17:57] *** Jixt has joined #haiku[14:19:05] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[14:25:37] <Begasus> Jixt, ![14:27:25] *** rsanches has joined #haiku[14:31:14] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[14:32:24] <Jixt> Hi Begasus[14:32:45] <Begasus> Jixt, did you receive the mailings from osdrawer?[14:33:24] <Jixt> Yes[14:33:36] <Jixt> I'm now checking it.[14:35:26] <Jixt> Looks nice[14:35:33] <Jixt> and fast :)[14:42:22] *** leszek has joined #haiku[14:42:57] <leszek> hi[14:43:01] <leszek> ZevenOS RC1 is ready[14:44:22] * Monni hates suicide candidates...[14:46:41] <leszek> :P[14:47:39] <Begasus> cool Jixt .. so you logged in and checked out already ?[14:48:28] <Monni> other name for so called "release candidates" is "harakiri builds", but I wouldn't use it near Japanese...[14:50:21] <Jixt> yes[14:50:55] <Jixt> I will try to finish the next version of PG[14:51:01] <Begasus> nice Jixt ![14:51:14] <Begasus> the main dev was missing on the page ;)[14:51:25] <Jixt> lol[14:51:31] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[14:51:35] <Monni> that's priceless ;)[14:51:55] <Begasus> http://begasus.blogspot.com/2008/10/bundessieger-nationale-zuchtschau-2008.html[14:51:59] <Jixt> Do you have the latest vmware image of haiku for me Begasus? The one with alle the development tools.[14:52:00] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[14:52:05] <Begasus> made first place with my doggie yesterday ;)[14:52:17] <Begasus> need to check Jixt ...[14:52:21] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[14:52:59] <Monni> Begasus: you should attend some international dog shows with them... they had one in Finland few days ago...[14:53:31] *** Xenexi has joined #haiku[14:53:38] <Begasus> I altered the userbuildconfig file but need to check something ... seems it didn't add some stuff into it ...[14:53:41] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[14:53:42] *** petterhj has quit IRC[14:53:45] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[14:53:53] <Begasus> Monni, the German one yesterday as many others are International ;)[14:53:58] <leszek> This RC is not a harakiri version :P[14:54:35] <Jixt> The dogs are doing nice i see[14:54:56] <Monni> Begasus: Well... Like they say here.... Tampere is abroad, Stockholm is not (Tampere is city in Finland, Stockholm is capital of Sweden) ;)[14:55:04] <Begasus> yeah ..; well atleast Qannik is ;)[14:56:02] <Begasus> plans are being made to attend the world dogshow in Bratislava next year Monni[14:56:17] <Begasus> or atleast the thoughts are going through our mind ;)[14:56:42] <Monni> Begasus: The one in here was for world championship of agility I think...[14:57:16] <Begasus> ah .. that's another thing ;)[14:59:19] <Monni> Begasus: dogs get bored if they just need to sit and look pretty ;)[14:59:39] <Begasus> that's what you think :P[14:59:48] <Begasus> I think I ran a mile yesterday showing the dog ;)[15:00:15] <Monni> or maybe it was the other way around... dog was showing you ;)[15:00:21] <Begasus> hehe[15:00:24] <Begasus> could very well be[15:01:46] <Begasus> Jixt, you best talk to plfiorini about the mailing system ... IIRC there were some probs with it still ...[15:03:49] <Jixt> Yes I know, but I don't need it for the moment[15:04:07] <Jixt> now I need to switch to the new svn repository[15:04:12] <Monni> I wonder when there's going to be midget attending some beauty contest for normal-size people... Atleast would not fail weight tests easily...[15:09:49] *** aldeck has quit IRC[15:10:40] *** rsanches has quit IRC[15:15:46] *** rsanches has joined #haiku[15:19:17] *** sprma has quit IRC[15:25:50] * tqh thinks writing synch primitives is hard enough without mozilla's io layers[15:31:31] *** markos_ has quit IRC[15:36:15] *** rsanches has quit IRC[15:36:20] *** [1]umccullough has joined #haiku[15:36:40] *** Begasus has quit IRC[15:37:08] *** rsanches has joined #haiku[15:39:26] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[15:42:07] <Monni> klus ;)[15:53:08] *** kr1stof has left #haiku[15:53:50] *** umccullough has quit IRC[15:54:46] <Begasus> kwebbel[15:55:27] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[15:56:17] <helf> morning[15:56:46] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[15:57:20] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[15:59:56] *** miqlas has quit IRC[15:59:59] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[16:00:29] <ddew|bofh> yummy: wah -> screamer -> dual rectifier = sound of satan[16:00:50] <ddew|bofh> sounds like a demon puking up pure evil[16:01:19] <helf> oh man[16:01:20] <helf> ddew[16:01:32] <helf> I got to see, in person, and hear sometihng very awesome yesterday :P[16:01:39] <ddew|bofh> oh?[16:01:43] <ddew|bofh> pray tell[16:01:56] <helf> The mechanic that we use for a lot of stuff had his father/son project car that was just completed parked out back[16:02:28] <helf> Fully restored and slightly customized, red, 1969 Chevy Nova[16:02:33] <ddew|bofh> aw man[16:02:36] <ddew|bofh> 451?[16:02:41] <helf> 350[16:02:45] <helf> slightly customized[16:02:46] <helf> BUT[16:02:48] <ddew|bofh> good enough :P[16:02:51] <helf> it was pretty quiet cranked, right?[16:02:55] <helf> hold on, customer[16:03:09] <helf> ok, back[16:03:11] <helf> anyways[16:03:16] <helf> we were talking adn he cranked it[16:03:19] <helf> and it sounded sooo nice[16:03:20] <helf> then he goes[16:03:26] <helf> "wtch this"[16:03:45] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[16:04:22] *** Xenexi has quit IRC[16:05:22] <ddew|bofh> heh, i've just created the perfect sound for a very specific part of a song. and it only took me three hours :P[16:05:32] <ddew|bofh> almost a shame that the part is only 45 secs long[16:05:39] <helf> back, tons of people all the sudden[16:05:40] <helf> anyways[16:05:44] <helf> he reaches down and hits a button[16:05:50] <helf> electronic switch over to straight pipes :D[16:05:57] <ddew|bofh> hehe, awesome[16:06:41] <helf> its pretty :P[16:06:54] <helf> its his 17yo sons car[16:07:00] <helf> they spent the last 3 years restoring it together. pretty cool[16:07:02] <ddew|bofh> my fav musclecar is the el camino[16:07:10] <ddew|bofh> yeah, that's a pretty fun thing to do[16:07:11] <helf> I LOVE el caminos[16:07:19] <helf> my dad adores them too[16:07:27] <helf> ive been wanting to nab one for dirt to play with[16:07:47] <ddew|bofh> the late 60s models are nice, then they turn into crap[16:08:01] <ddew|bofh> and of course you need the vinyl roof[16:08:39] <helf> depends on the car[16:08:44] <helf> novas look like shit with those[16:08:58] <ddew|bofh> fuck novas, i was talking about the el camino :)[16:09:54] *** aknoedel has joined #haiku[16:10:09] <helf> i know :P[16:10:29] <helf> http://helf.freeshell.org/Photo_101708_001.jpg[16:10:31] <helf> there is there car[16:10:36] <helf> took it with my crappy camphone[16:10:43] <ddew|bofh> purty[16:10:45] <helf> :/ couldnt get a good angle either.. but oh well[16:11:44] *** aldeck has joined #Haiku[16:11:53] *** aknoedel has quit IRC[16:11:59] <ddew|bofh> *doh*[16:12:20] <ddew|bofh> forgot to ask dhowett earlier about how the rtl81xx driver is coming along[16:12:28] <helf> DOW closed at 8800 yesterday. not /that/ bad, iguess[16:13:44] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[16:14:09] <ddew|bofh> yeah, now we're not losing our life savings _quite_ that fast anymore[16:14:19] <helf> :P[16:14:20] <lorglas> hello[16:14:24] <ddew|bofh> hiya[16:14:25] * helf hasnt lost anything[16:14:30] <helf> hi lorglas[16:14:38] * ddew|bofh notes that helf didn't have anything to begin with :P[16:14:41] <helf> :P[16:14:57] <helf> I always thought using the stock market for saving was dumb :)[16:15:27] <ddew|bofh> i'm good nevertheless, i don't have any plans to do any withdrawals in the next couple of years anyhow[16:15:29] <helf> besides, money is here to be spent. and im just 21 ;P[16:16:03] <ddew|bofh> heh[16:16:16] <ddew|bofh> i'm sitting here trying to figure out what to do with my aspire[16:16:35] <helf> install ubuntu on it[16:16:38] * helf giggles[16:16:44] <ddew|bofh> i hate you[16:16:46] <ddew|bofh> a lot[16:16:50] <ddew|bofh> DIE![16:16:52] <ddew|bofh> :P[16:17:00] <helf> what do you have on it now>?[16:17:04] <ddew|bofh> xp[16:17:41] <helf> i want my freaking floating holographic keyboards and displays with a wrist watch sized computer and gbit wireless access[16:17:43] <ddew|bofh> my intentions were to run haiku on it but since the nic driver isn't working it's kinda useless. so i reinstalled xp[16:17:53] <helf> stupid noughties haven't been that great so far[16:18:39] <ddew|bofh> heh[16:18:44] * helf wants ghost in the shell level tech[16:18:52] <ddew|bofh> yeah, that'd be nice[16:19:01] <helf> getting closer with some of it[16:19:07] <helf> like the brain implants[16:19:22] <helf> what are the specs on the aspire?[16:19:50] <ddew|bofh> 1.6ghz atom, 1gb ram, 120gb hd, intel gma950 graphics[16:20:01] <helf> does BeOS R5 not run?[16:20:16] <ddew|bofh> yeah, a programmable version of motoko would be useful[16:20:29] <ddew|bofh> haven't tried tbh, i seriously doubt it'd work[16:20:35] <HeTo> I doubt it has drivers for the network and the graphics[16:20:48] <helf> ah[16:20:48] <ddew|bofh> not to mention the sata disk and usb-booting[16:20:55] <helf> oh, its SATA...[16:21:01] <HeTo> add to that the problems with 1 GB of RAM and the probable problems with the processor[16:21:04] <helf> sweet, stick a velociraptor drive in it :P[16:21:19] <helf> ok, so beos is about worthless now-a-days[16:21:23] <ddew|bofh> heh, it's using a 2.5" drive[16:21:28] *** lorglas has quit IRC[16:21:33] <helf> so is the velociraptor[16:21:34] <ddew|bofh> beos went useless a couple of years ago :P[16:21:37] <helf> :P[16:21:40] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[16:21:55] <helf> the velociraptor is a 2.5" drive in a 3.5" shroud.[16:22:10] <ddew|bofh> might be even smaller actually[16:22:13] <ddew|bofh> like ipod sized[16:22:16] <helf> oh[16:22:22] <helf> those drives..[16:22:25] <helf> 1.5" or whatevef[16:22:39] <HeTo> also if you want to use an external mouse.. well, you had better not have a need for scrolling[16:22:41] *** judgen has joined #haiku[16:22:52] <helf> HeTo, ok. we get the point :P R5 sucks[16:22:55] <helf> hey judgen[16:23:21] <ddew|bofh> r5 sucked a couple of years ago :P[16:23:29] <helf> i had fond memories[16:23:36] <ddew|bofh> which is why i'm such a massive supporter of haiku[16:23:46] <helf> then i reinstalled it, relived said fond memories until i remembered why i stopped using it and went back to XP[16:23:47] <ddew|bofh> i love the beos way[16:24:07] <ddew|bofh> the hardware incompability not so much[16:24:14] <helf> my beos installs always start to get flaky[16:24:18] <helf> and crash prone[16:24:30] <HeTo> well R5 is great except..[16:24:33] <helf> ddew|bofh, most of the computers I have are 100% or near 100% BeOS compatible. heh[16:24:49] <ddew|bofh> helf: heh[16:24:52] <HeTo> the list that comes after except is just a little bit too long :-([16:25:20] <ddew|bofh> lack of hardware support is my main gripe[16:25:45] <helf> im trying to decide if i want t ospend $170 buying two big extended life batts for old faithful (my laptop) or spend a bit more on something faster[16:25:58] <helf> ill get like 6-7hours out of the laptop with the two batteries installed...[16:26:22] <ddew|bofh> neato[16:26:22] <helf> tracker doesn't like directories with hundreds of photos[16:26:36] <helf> it slowly gets slower and slower and then starts to crash[16:26:44] <ddew|bofh> well try zetas tracker then, it's even worse[16:26:58] <helf> it sucks, I really like BeOS.[16:27:02] <ddew|bofh> i hate their svg abomination, it's drop dead slow[16:27:02] <helf> I can't wait for Haiku to hit R1[16:27:11] <ddew|bofh> looks great, but it's _slow_[16:27:20] <CIA-5> axeld * r28229 /haiku/trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): * Cleanup, no functional change.[16:27:35] <helf> I want to use BeOS/haiku for multimedia/image related stuff and windows for my games.[16:27:53] <helf> using tracker for organization beats the crap out of anything in Windows[16:28:07] <helf> specially when I have 15-20gb of images :)[16:28:22] <helf> that i took[16:28:23] <helf> its not porn[16:28:25] <ddew|bofh> i want haiku primaily for general usage machines[16:28:25] <helf> nooooope.[16:28:29] <ddew|bofh> suuure :P[16:28:36] <helf> really :P[16:28:48] <ddew|bofh> most uses i have for a computer can be done on fairly slow machines[16:28:55] <helf> ha[16:29:01] <helf> I think I have you beat there ^_^[16:29:01] <ddew|bofh> i'll use my windows workstation for the heavy lifting[16:29:08] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[16:29:12] <ddew|bofh> heh[16:29:14] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[16:29:27] <helf> I want to use something extremely low powered[16:29:42] <helf> for haiku and daily stuff.[16:29:48] <ddew|bofh> a sub-10 second boottime is nice too[16:29:48] <helf> an atom box would work great[16:30:04] <helf> i can do pretty much everything in R5 already. so i know haiku will meet my needs.[16:30:38] <helf> I want to have my NeXT for piddling, a good atom box with lots of storage running haiku and a beefy tower for other things that wont get run all that much[16:30:42][16:30:53] <helf> I'm trying to keep my power consumption low[16:31:05] <ddew|bofh> damn hippie :P[16:31:11] <helf> $$$ :P[16:31:13] <ddew|bofh> i bet you don't take showers either[16:31:16] <helf> screw the environment[16:31:17] <helf> ew[16:31:20] <helf> oh god, i hate that[16:31:28] <helf> i know people that dont flush but every 4th time or something[16:31:34] <helf> im like, its 1.5 gallons![16:31:35] <helf> omfg[16:31:39] <stpere> I leave a 100 watt bulb open all the time to counter balance you helf :P[16:31:43] <ddew|bofh> holy mother of jesus fucking christ on a pogostick[16:31:45] <helf> it goes right back to the water recycling plant[16:31:48] <stpere> j/k[16:31:49] <ddew|bofh> that's just gross[16:31:53] <helf> lol stpere[16:31:54] <helf> yeah[16:32:09] <helf> anyways, i run CFL/LEDs when i can and leave pretty much everything off[16:32:13] <helf> it gets expensive.[16:32:20] <helf> my NeXT only draws about 55watts :)[16:32:23] <helf> so im reallyhappy about that[16:32:29] <ddew|bofh> hehe[16:32:46] <helf> itll draw even less once I get it converted to a CF card[16:33:23] <HeTo> my laptop drew around 11-13W when I tested that a few months ago[16:33:31] <helf> nice, HeTo[16:34:15] <HeTo> but of course, with a more bright screen and when the processor and display adapter have something to do, it'll probably take more[16:34:20] <helf> can you easily buy the quadcore atoms yet?[16:34:34] <HeTo> also the PSU takes it share, of course[16:34:52] *** miqlas_ has joined #haiku[16:34:58] <helf> my little toshiba laptop i dont use much right now, draws very little.[16:35:06] <helf> probably around that 10-15watt mark[16:35:48] <HeTo> KDE battery monitor shows that information if the laptop is unplugged[16:36:13] *** miqlas has quit IRC[16:36:43] <helf> my toshiba has xp on it right now[16:36:47] <helf> i want to put osmething else on it[16:37:09] <helf> its a p2 mobile 300mhz, 128mb ram, 800x600 screen...[16:37:19] <helf> i forget what the GPU is[16:37:30] <helf> I dn't know what would run OK in 128mb of ram[16:37:48] <HeTo> nothing :-P[16:37:52] <helf> :P[16:38:00] <HeTo> but depends on the use, of course[16:38:05] <helf> ok, i dont know of anything overly modern that isnt windows xp thatll run ok in 128mb[16:38:15] <helf> with a GUI, that is[16:38:41] <helf> nothing heavy. 'net usage with WiFi. document editing. etc.. probably run puppylinux or arch or such[16:38:50] <helf> but it has no CD drive. its an ultrathin.[16:38:57] <helf> and no floppy drive..[16:39:09] <helf> come to think of it[16:39:12] <helf> im not sure how i can xp on it[16:39:22] <ddew|bofh> usb[16:39:26] <helf> probably[16:39:36] <helf> oh, i think i used to have a floppy drive for it[16:39:38] <ddew|bofh> pxe[16:39:51] <helf> my ethernet nic doesnt support pxe[16:39:58] <ddew|bofh> annoying[16:40:00] <helf> yeah[16:40:38] <helf> guess i could buy a floppy drive and a pcmcia cd drive for it[16:40:42] <HeTo> Window Maker is quite light[16:40:52] <helf> yeah, I've used it.[16:40:55] <ddew|bofh> enlightenment works well too[16:40:59] <ddew|bofh> and fluxbox[16:41:01] <helf> icewm is decent[16:41:01] <ddew|bofh> or rox[16:41:13] <helf> id run a tiling wm on it[16:41:16] <helf> but at 800x600..[16:41:19] <helf> just not enough space[16:41:20] <HeTo> I don't know about xfce, 4 years ago or so when I last tried it it was usable on 128 MB[16:41:30] <helf> HeTo, eh, its gotten bigger[16:41:53] <HeTo> or rather, I'd say, it was nice on 128 MB[16:41:54] <helf> i installed in on a debian sarge machine i had a few months back with 128mb of ram..[16:42:00] <helf> it didnt like it much[16:42:37] <helf> my NEC laptop that I still use a good deal has just 24mb of ram :P and 12mb free on startup[16:42:46] <helf> hurray for windows 95[16:43:12] <helf> I used to run debian on it, but that hdd died and I've been too lazy to reinstall it.[16:43:32] <helf> text only install with whatever the cli mouse driver is called[16:44:18] <judgen> howdy felas[16:44:22] <judgen> fellas[16:44:31] <judgen> did you miss me?[16:44:59] <ddew|bofh> with every bullet so far[16:45:08] <helf> mine jammed[16:45:10] <judgen> helf win95 runs out of sync at 1,133mhz[16:45:29] <judgen> ddew|bofh pretty mean[16:45:30] *** Jixt has quit IRC[16:45:37] <ddew|bofh> hehe[16:45:37] <helf> it does?[16:45:42] <judgen> yes[16:45:44] <helf> fastest pc iv erun it on was 1ghz :)[16:45:46] <helf> heh, fun[16:45:56] <ddew|bofh> there are patches and fixes for that[16:46:02] <helf> I ran windows 3.11 with dos 7 or whatever that revision is on a 3ghz p4. lol[16:46:03] <judgen> yes[16:46:19] <helf> saw 64mb of ram. tal kabout fast[16:46:20] <judgen> helf win3 does not have that liit[16:46:22] <judgen> limit[16:46:23] <helf> about a 2 sec boot time[16:46:43] <helf> 'course, couldnt really do anything..[16:46:46] <helf> but it was FAST[16:46:46] <helf> :P[16:46:49] <judgen> helf BeOS is about the same here at this machine.[16:46:54] <helf> nice[16:47:01] <judgen> yeah i know[16:47:23] <helf> im hoping i can speed up my NeXTs boot. its takes about a minute to boot once the firmware finishes all its tests.[16:47:24] <HeTo> helf: DOS 7 won't boot Win3[16:47:24] <judgen> dell c840 is the best BeOS laptop ever, it even haves supported wireless working[16:47:29] <HeTo> you need DOS 6.22 or older[16:47:31] <helf> HeTo, oh, may it was 6.22 then[16:47:32] <judgen> imusing wireless right now[16:47:37] <HeTo> as long as we're talking about MS-DOS[16:47:44] <helf> yeah, i wasnt using dr-dos or anything[16:48:16] *** Begasus has quit IRC[16:48:40] <HeTo> I don't know if there are hacks to enable that; it was deliberately broken by Microsoft, after all[16:48:50] <helf> it was?[16:48:57] <helf> i wonder why they'd bother doing that[16:49:22] <ddew|bofh> well 7 was never relased as standalone[16:50:23] <helf> wtf, radioshack still sells my laptops batteries[16:50:30] <helf> my laptop is like 12 years old[16:51:00] *** CIA-5 has quit IRC[16:51:00] <Monni> radioshack would sell even stuff dating from stone age ;)[16:51:18] <helf> having 8800mAh of battery would be nice :D[16:51:51] <helf> it will run between 2.5-3hours on the standard 7.2v, 3.2A battery. so two 4.4A batts will be sweet[16:53:27] <Monni> I have one Radioshack video switch here... works pretty OK, only need to switch positive and negative terminals[16:55:06] <judgen> having a battery recharged by stoneage technology would be great...[16:55:29] <judgen> if i hit two rocks together i get power =)[16:55:46] *** CIA-5 has joined #haiku[16:55:46] <helf> heh[16:56:13] <Monni> having battery recharged by hamster running around would be fun to see...[16:58:22] <helf> apparently our "threat level" is yellow for "elevated".[16:58:29] <helf> hasnt it been yellow since its inception?[17:00:11] *** rsanches has quit IRC[17:00:18] <Monni> I presume it's normal green-yellow-red scale ;) so green level would be closer to "world peace" ;)[17:01:04] *** rsanches has joined #haiku[17:01:07] *** sprma has joined #haiku[17:01:59] <helf> more like "WE BE WINNING! haha"[17:02:32] <Monni> not very likely...[17:02:44] <Monni> Chinks are pretty close to world domination though...[17:03:05] <helf> Which sucks[17:03:10] <helf> Their government is pretty awful[17:03:31] <Monni> soon mandarin will be a lot more than just a fruit ;)[17:03:37] <helf> heh[17:03:43] <helf> i doubt it[17:03:46] <helf> :P[17:04:06] <Monni> well... there are always some people who think Cantonese is a real language...[17:05:27] <helf> bah[17:05:47] <helf> why the heck doesn't firefox have a "print page" option in the context menu when you right click? that is so annoying[17:06:19] <Monni> because they think printing is for blind people... ie. useless ;)[17:07:54] <helf> I *love* having paper copies of things[17:08:17] <Monni> I think I have printer connected, but I'm pretty sure I haven't got drivers for it installed :)[17:09:03] <Monni> takes only 30 minutes to warm up... real stone age technology ;)[17:10:51] <helf> heh, our fairly new HP lasers take several minutes to boot[17:11:04] <Monni> this one is HP LaserJet 3 ;)[17:12:32] <Monni> doesn't take long to boot... but takes longer before it can successfully print a whole page...[17:13:32] <helf> I have some laserjet 4s.. they can take a good 20-30 seconds to print a full page[17:14:11] <Monni> eh... actual printing doesn't take long, it's taking paper that takes long ;)[17:14:43] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[17:16:05] <Monni> I've seen a few LaserJets that slip when trying to take a paper...[17:21:17] *** pulkomandy_ has quit IRC[17:21:49] *** pulkomandy_ has joined #haiku[17:26:33] *** CIA-5 has quit IRC[17:26:59] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[17:27:17] <Lelldorin1> hi all[17:27:28] *** lorglas has quit IRC[17:27:36] <helf> morning, Lelldorin1[17:27:41] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[17:30:20] *** CIA-5 has joined #haiku[17:33:54] *** sprma has quit IRC[17:39:48] *** judgen has quit IRC[17:42:05] *** pulko_mandy has joined #haiku[17:43:42] *** pulkomandy_ has quit IRC[17:44:50] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[17:45:04] <DeadYak> hi mmlr[17:45:09] <mmlr> hi[17:45:26] <mmlr> so axel broke the build?[17:45:43] <DeadYak> fixed it[17:46:01] <DeadYak> he forgot to commit cleanups to AddOnMonitorHandler.h as well[17:46:08] <mmlr> thought so[17:46:24] <DeadYak> should be fixed in 28230 though if you could verify please[17:46:54] <mmlr> I build on BeOS, it'll take some time to build ;-)[17:46:59] <DeadYak> understood[17:47:26] <CIA-5> anevilyak * r28230 /haiku/trunk/headers/private/storage/AddOnMonitorHandler.h: Probably forgotten changes in the last commit, though I'm not sure if Axel had any other style cleanups in mind in this file. Fixes build at any rate.[17:47:39] <DeadYak> took long enough for it to pick that up[17:49:55] <helf> morning, DeadYak[17:50:04] <DeadYak> morning[17:50:18] <mmlr> confirmed build is fixed[17:50:34] <DeadYak> cool[17:50:58] <helf> anyone here ever converted a laptop to LEDs for the backlight?[17:51:15] <helf> I thinking about tearing apart my old laptop and replacing the CCFL with some LEDs. the CCFL in it is getting dim[17:53:32] *** lorglas has quit IRC[17:58:43] *** judgen has joined #haiku[18:00:17] <judgen> Genjeral surgeoung warning: this individual is drunk, do not rely on his advice[18:01:09] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[18:01:21] <ddew|bofh> heh, already?[18:01:21] <judgen> the 2,,6 ghz dell c840 must be the best BeOS laptop ever desigbed[18:01:26] <ddew|bofh> it's 1800 ffs[18:02:35] *** andguent has joined #haiku[18:03:50] <judgen> 1800??[18:03:54] <judgen> wtf?[18:04:03] <ddew|bofh> 18:00[18:04:13] <judgen> its q800 or somewhat at no DC current[18:04:18][18:04:31] <judgen> ddew|bofh och?[18:04:49] <ddew|bofh> to be blistered at this time is impressive :)[18:05:13] <judgen> blistering, blistering[18:05:40] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[18:05:48] <ddew|bofh> hehe[18:07:27] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[18:11:14] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[18:12:43] *** acidx has joined #haiku[18:13:14] <helf> when are you NOT drunk, judgen?[18:13:37] <helf> me thinks judgen is the spawn of a irish american indian and a russian[18:14:31] *** sprma has joined #haiku[18:15:19] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[18:15:26] <helf> heh[18:15:28] <HeTo> helf: he's Swedish, you have to remember he might have Finnish, Norwegian or Russian roots[18:15:31] <helf> my dad is at a car show right now having a ball[18:15:32] <ddew|bofh> he's a northern swede, they're always shitfaced :P[18:15:36] <helf> HeTo, oh yeah :P[18:15:49] <helf> He has the only VW Camper there[18:15:53] <ddew|bofh> there's not much else to do up there[18:16:02] *** lorglas has quit IRC[18:16:28] <helf> he has it all set up like he was out camping too. heh. im sure his bright orange box is sticking out like a sore thumb among all those muscle cars[18:17:06] <ddew|bofh> it's a type 1 camper, it's cooler than all other musclecars put together[18:17:14] <helf> :P[18:17:19] <helf> its a '72[18:17:21] <helf> german import[18:17:28] <helf> has german plates and stickers on everything[18:17:39] <ddew|bofh> oh, disregard my comment then :P[18:17:44] <helf> he is the second owner and has full repair documentation. which makes it cool[18:18:00] <ddew|bofh> if it's a 72 german camper he should paint it drab gray and put STASI on the side :P[18:18:07] <helf> LOL[18:18:26] <ddew|bofh> that'd bu unbelievably cool[18:18:35] <ddew|bofh> *be[18:18:43] <helf> it isnt the exact model he wanted, but for $5k, he couldnt say no :)[18:19:00] <helf> he got the one owner, in mint condition, camper + matching custom trailer + probably 1.5k in spare parts[18:19:05] <helf> the thing is worth over 20 grand ,easy[18:19:13] <ddew|bofh> hell, that's a great deal[18:19:25] <helf> i wish *I* had stumbled across it[18:19:34] <helf> i want one of the slightly older models.[18:19:44] <helf> he used to have a pimped out green one with the full kitchen and all[18:19:45] <ddew|bofh> well we have an advantage[18:19:56] <ddew|bofh> we're europian, it's way easier to get hold cars like that here[18:19:57] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[18:20:00] <helf> yeah[18:20:12] <helf> the VW campers are easily the most functional vehicles ever made[18:20:43] <helf> he has sat in a parking lot, dropped an engine, replaced a jug and put it back in in a few hours. i love aircooled engines[18:20:46] <ddew|bofh> i was thinking of getting an armored personell carrier a while back[18:20:53] <helf> hehe[18:21:06] <ddew|bofh> volvo "puppy"[18:21:11] <helf> i might buy a camper[18:21:12] <helf> i love the things[18:21:19] <ddew|bofh> cheap and robust as hell[18:21:29] <ddew|bofh> old army vehivles[18:21:33] <ddew|bofh> *vehicles[18:21:41] * ddew|bofh sucks at touchtyping[18:21:46] <helf> http://www.4wdonline.com/Volvo/PiCs37/c202.11.jpg[18:21:47] <helf> those?[18:21:53] <helf> i love old lilitary vehicles[18:22:07] <ddew|bofh> yeah, that's the one. but with a full cab[18:22:11] <helf> i love form, but give me function any day :P[18:22:15] <helf> yeah, those are awesome[18:22:27] <helf> we have something similiar here that you can buy all day long for a few K. they are really popular[18:23:29] <ddew|bofh> i love having a military surplus store in the area[18:23:35] <ddew|bofh> i buy pants there all the time[18:23:40] <ddew|bofh> and a bike :P[18:23:42] <helf> :P[18:23:51] <helf> we had one here, im not sure if its stil here. i used to go there all the time[18:23:58] <helf> i love military shit. its so awesome[18:24:07] <ddew|bofh> function over form[18:24:08] <helf> I used to get military cargos all the time[18:24:24] <ddew|bofh> they look like hell and are insanely uncomfortable. but damn they're cool[18:24:38] <ddew|bofh> proper military cargos?[18:24:59] <helf> yep[18:25:06] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[18:26:26] <ddew|bofh> my oldest pair are from 1958, still in great shape :)[18:27:12] <HeTo> ddew|bofh: were you in the military?[18:27:38] <ddew|bofh> not professionally[18:29:43] <HeTo> but you did go through the mandatory service?[18:30:20] <ddew|bofh> of course[18:30:30] <ddew|bofh> i even did volountary training in my youth[18:30:41] <HeTo> because at least in Finland I'd say the most important thing in there was that everything looked good[18:32:11] <helf> heh[18:32:17] <helf> whats the point if you cant atleast look good? :P[18:32:36] <HeTo> well, not good as in beautiful[18:37:07] *** judgen has quit IRC[18:43:36] * AlienSoldier wish ftp-fs would work perfectly :([18:46:46] <Monni> no program or driver will ever work perfectly ;)[18:47:56] * Rakhun hands 'Hello World' to Monni :P it works perfectly[18:48:25] <MrSunshine> pfft, might be bugs in the printing routine or even the kernel that runs the OS[18:48:29] <MrSunshine> wont work perfectly all the time[18:49:15] <Rakhun> true, but I'd rather say it's the printing routine or the kernel that isn't working in that case[18:49:34] <Monni> that's irrelevant ;)[18:52:09] <HeTo> Rakhun: lacks important features :-P[18:53:31] <Rakhun> HeTo: true that it isn't very important, but it isn't missing any from what it is intended to do ;)[18:57:27] <Monni> try running simple "Hello World" that uses printf() outside text console and it doesn't do what it is intended to do... perfect application expects even the unexpected...[18:59:13] *** rsanches has quit IRC[19:03:31] *** aldeck has quit IRC[19:07:14] <CIA-5> aldeck * r28231 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/tracker/PoseView.cpp:[19:07:14] <CIA-5> * Removed the call to Refresh() when switching to scaled icon mode as it[19:07:14] <CIA-5> would scroll to (0, 0), and screw the now always-in-sync fViewState.[19:07:14] <CIA-5> After testing every possible mode transition, there seem to be no side[19:07:14] <CIA-5> effect as the comment would suggest. Stippi, do you remember why it[19:07:18] <CIA-5> was necessary? See r18699.[19:07:20] <CIA-5> * This enabled me to do my previously added TODO's.[19:07:55] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[19:19:31] <andguent> i am currently just browsing the source code an wondering we there is a linear programming library included?[19:20:32] <tqh> it's used in new layout code[19:21:12] <andguent> ah okay, thanks[19:23:54] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[19:24:00] *** UndeadYak has joined #haiku[19:24:25] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[19:24:31] *** UndeadYak is now known as DeadYak[19:26:25] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[19:37:16] *** CIA-5 has quit IRC[19:38:15] <andguent> are there C++ equivalents for the thread related calls (just reading through the BeBook currently...)[19:38:37] *** adb has joined #haiku[19:39:10] <tqh> no[19:40:14] *** CIA-5 has joined #haiku[19:41:11] *** xcasex has quit IRC[19:43:50] *** El-Al has joined #haiku[19:44:41] *** Monni has left #Haiku[20:02:16] *** plfiorini1 has joined #haiku[20:04:15] *** El-Al has quit IRC[20:09:43] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[20:18:22] <plfiorini1> http://dev.osdrawer.net/projects/show/imkit[20:20:03] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[20:22:28] <CIA-5> mmlr * r28232 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/fs/vfs.cpp:[20:22:28] <CIA-5> The fs_mount structure now has a constructor/destructor and is used with new and[20:22:28] <CIA-5> delete. Therefore the constructor/destructor of the contained EntryCache is also[20:22:28] <CIA-5> called. The manual call of the destructor to the OpenHashTable inside the[20:22:28] <CIA-5> EntryCache was therefore superflous and the destructor would be called twice,[20:22:31] <CIA-5> leading to bug #2869.[20:22:45] *** [1]umccullough is now known as umccullough[20:25:06] *** xcasex has joined #haiku[20:26:55] *** oco has joined #haiku[20:34:35] *** judgen has joined #haiku[20:35:55] *** cherrylap has quit IRC[20:37:20] *** cherrylap has joined #haiku[20:37:33] *** andguent has quit IRC[20:41:07] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[20:43:35] *** petterhj has quit IRC[21:11:36] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[21:11:36] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[21:11:51] *** digitalteufel has joined #haiku[21:21:36] *** plfiorini1 has quit IRC[21:21:55] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[21:24:58] *** El-Al has joined #haiku[21:27:01] <El-Al> DeadYak: I have some serial debug output :)[21:29:04] *** mmlr has quit IRC[21:35:56] *** judgen has quit IRC[21:36:42] *** El-Al has quit IRC[21:44:01] *** Hugen_ has joined #haiku[21:44:06] <Hugen_> hi all[21:44:08] *** judgen has joined #haiku[21:49:29] <helf> hey Hugen_[21:50:33] <Hugen_> hi helf[21:52:48] <ddew|bofh> *moooh*[21:53:16] <digitalteufel> Shouldn't mounted filesystems other than "Haiku" appear in the open file dialog box's drop down menu?[21:55:48] *** atomozero has joined #haiku[22:01:14] <mmu_man> hmm anyone had svn complaining that the berlios certificate has expired ?[22:03:29] <oco> hi[22:03:39] <oco> mmu_man : how was jdll ?[22:04:05] <mmu_man> very nice[22:04:06] <digitalteufel> mmu_man, when updating?[22:04:18] <mmu_man> digitalteufel yes[22:04:20] <oco> i suppose it concern only write access...[22:04:30] <digitalteufel> Seems to work fine.[22:05:32] <umccullough> digitalteufel, you use secure SVN to get haiku code?[22:05:46] <geist> seems to work fine here too[22:05:59] <digitalteufel> Nah.[22:06:18] <geist> that's over ssh though[22:06:30] <mmu_man> Error validating server certificate for 'https://svn.berlios.de:443':[22:06:31] <mmu_man> - The certificate is not issued by a trusted authority. Use the[22:06:32] <mmu_man> fingerprint to validate the certificate manually![22:06:32] <mmu_man> - The certificate has expired.[22:06:43] <geist> ah, yeah, not using that[22:06:58] <mmu_man> ah wait, yeah I've svn switched to https when it stopped working some time ago[22:07:13] <mmu_man> then I switched back[22:07:16] <mmu_man> then back agin I think[22:07:27] <geist> berlios is great![22:08:18] *** hdanak has quit IRC[22:08:26] <umccullough> bah, expired certs aren't less useful anyway ;)[22:08:33] <umccullough> just annoying[22:09:26] *** Hugen_ has quit IRC[22:09:28] <digitalteufel> So how is the coding session going? It's this weekend right?[22:09:42] <umccullough> i'm thinking it's over[22:09:43] <mmu_man> no it was this week[22:10:11] <umccullough> the number of commits in the last days was pretty large ;)[22:10:43] <mmu_man> oddly I have trunk as https:// and branches as svn+ssh :)[22:11:11] <digitalteufel> umccullough, anything interesting?[22:11:24] <CIA-5> mmlr * r28233 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/tracker/Utilities.cpp: (log message trimmed)[22:11:24] <CIA-5> Changed the score calculation for type ahead in the Tracker. Previously if there[22:11:24] <CIA-5> was at least one character matching at the start of any file it would have[22:11:24] <CIA-5> gotten a score >= 1. This rendered the substring matching completely useless[22:11:24] <CIA-5> as soon as this happened, because it would always get a score < 1 depending on[22:11:26] <CIA-5> the position of the occurance. Now substring matching is the first (and without[22:11:28] <CIA-5> word mode, the only) score to get. Since the score depends on the position of[22:11:36] <umccullough> digitalteufel, plenty of interesting bugfixes for sure[22:11:46] *** pulko_mandy has quit IRC[22:12:26] <mmu_man> svn switch --relocate https://mmu_man at svn dot berlios.de/svnroot/repos/haiku/haiku/trunk svn+ssh://mmu_man at svn dot berlios.de/svnroot/repos/haiku/haiku/trunk[22:12:27] <umccullough> http://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/haiku-commits/2008-October/thread.html[22:12:33] <mmu_man> works fine now :)[22:12:42] <umccullough> mmu_man, https://lists.berlios.de complains about the cert also, fwiw[22:12:54] <mmu_man> yeah, not the first time IIRC[22:13:23] <digitalteufel> http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/27994[22:13:32] <umccullough> "The issuer of this certificate could not be found."[22:13:42] <digitalteufel> Maybe that's why I couldn't get Haiku to boot when the partition was at the end of my hard drive.[22:14:04] <umccullough> if it was > 137gb, perhaps ;)[22:14:17] <umccullough> i heard a *lot* of people complaining about that in the past[22:14:51] <umccullough> a lot being ~5-8 different persons :P[22:16:10] * mmu_man doesn't have enough money to have such large disks :)[22:16:36] <umccullough> 500gb sata disk here is like ~70 USD :P[22:20:17] *** sprma has quit IRC[22:20:29] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[22:21:45] <atomozero> mmu_man when port haiku to iphone? :)[22:21:53] <mmu_man> eh[22:21:55] <mmu_man> not yet[22:22:09] <oco> after m68 one...[22:22:19] <atomozero> :)[22:22:39] <oco> mmu_man : i saw some progree this week, no ?[22:22:50] <oco> mmu_man : i saw some progress this week, no ?[22:23:15] <mmu_man> yeah :)[22:23:23] *** plfiorini1 has joined #haiku[22:23:37] <oco> mmu_man : how far from seeing the command line ?[22:24:08] <mmu_man> good question[22:28:12] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[22:30:21] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[22:39:34] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[22:41:46] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[22:49:32] <adb> given SCO OS on a partition ID=63 (hurd or sysV), how we may mount in on debian ?[22:50:51] <adb> * it[22:51:09] <HeTo> you could try -t ufs with the proper ufstype option[22:51:33] <adb> thx, HeTo[22:51:40] <HeTo> but you might get some better advice from Google or some other IRC channel[22:52:28] <HeTo> that was just a guess, though, but if it's based on UFS/FFS, it might work :-)[23:00:32] *** plfiorini1 has quit IRC[23:05:33] *** sprma has joined #haiku[23:07:58] *** CIA-5 has quit IRC[23:14:29] *** CIA-7 has joined #haiku[23:15:38] <adb> HeTo: it is a recent recycled pc, so not hight interest[23:22:46] <adb> mount -t ufs -o ufstype=sun|sun86|44bsd|usf2|5xbsd|hp|nextstep|nextstep-cd|openstep default usfold so give a large choice to ...destroy the partition/s[23:31:57] *** Stefan100 has quit IRC[23:33:00] *** neixir has joined #haiku[23:36:30] *** Stefan100 has joined #haiku[23:40:17] *** neixir has quit IRC[23:43:39] *** paul0 has quit IRC[23:46:13] *** CIA-7 has quit IRC[23:56:08] *** CIA-5 has joined #haiku[23:57:26] *** mats has quit IRC[23:57:28] *** Ingenu has quit IRC