October 17, 2008 
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October 17, 2008 [00:02:00] <CIA-5> bonefish * r28198 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/vm/vm_page.cpp:[00:02:00] <CIA-5> Dynamically adjust the page writer's I/O priority depending on how many[00:02:00] <CIA-5> pages have to be written and how tight the memory situation is.[00:05:33] <CIA-5> mmlr * r28199 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/acpi/acpi_busman.c:[00:05:33] <CIA-5> * Disable ACPI by default for now as it currently introduces problems with[00:05:33] <CIA-5> interrupts (UHCI/EHCI not working).[00:05:33] <CIA-5> * Add missing line break in debug output.[00:07:24] <DeadYak> heading home, bbl[00:07:30] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[00:11:03] *** atomozero_ has quit IRC[00:19:53] <Ingenu> good night everyone[00:20:09] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[00:21:12] <miqlas> Is there an new Transmission, or only the ver 0.7?[00:21:21] <miqlas> This is banned from lot of site.[00:24:11] <CIA-5> mmlr * r28200 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/acpi/oshaiku.c:[00:24:11] <CIA-5> * Add a mapping of interrupt handler data and remove the panic on installing[00:24:11] <CIA-5> the interrupt handler. There can be more than one interrupt handler installed[00:24:11] <CIA-5> on the same interrupt number with different data, so we also need the data[00:24:11] <CIA-5> pointer when removing the handler (to remove the right one). But since ACPI[00:24:14] <CIA-5> doesn't supply it to us, we have to do the mapping ourselfs. Fixes #2848.[00:24:16] <CIA-5> * Renamed acpi_root to sACPIRoot.[00:29:40] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[00:30:01] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[00:30:22] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[00:30:44] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[00:32:51] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[00:33:12] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[00:34:48] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[00:35:12] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[00:36:48] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[00:37:15] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[00:38:03] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[00:38:55] <miqlas> Transmission 0.7 and 0.71 not work by me, but the 0.4 CLI version working correctly.[00:43:53] *** atomozero__ has quit IRC[00:53:13] *** oco has quit IRC[00:55:21] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[00:55:44] *** shiroginne1 has joined #haiku[00:57:41] <miqlas> I downloading 5Mb/s in Haiku (bittorrent), and the Haiku not slowed down.[01:01:41] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:05:12] *** shiroginne has quit IRC[01:09:50] *** Guest31836 has quit IRC[01:13:04] *** luroh has quit IRC[01:13:23] *** niagara_guy36 has joined #haiku[01:17:38] *** niagara_guy36 has quit IRC[01:18:15] *** _Lucretia___ has joined #haiku[01:21:27] *** adb has quit IRC[01:24:13] *** adb has joined #haiku[01:28:04] *** adb has quit IRC[01:28:50] *** adb has joined #haiku[01:33:52] *** _Lucretia__ has quit IRC[01:52:23] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[01:52:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[02:05:54] *** BGA has joined #haiku[02:05:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[02:32:46] <CIA-5> bga * r28201 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/tracker/DeskWindow.cpp:[02:32:46] <CIA-5> selected item which does not make much sense. Disabled the checkmark.[02:39:49] *** markos_ has quit IRC[02:43:23] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[02:48:03] <DeadYak> BGA: nice catch[02:54:52] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[02:56:38] <BGA> DeadYak: :)[03:00:18] <CIA-5> anevilyak * r28202 /haiku/trunk/data/settings/kernel/drivers/kernel: Update example description to the current state of affairs. Please revert to old description whenever we enable ACPI by default again.[03:00:58] *** BGA has quit IRC[03:03:11] <AnEvilYak> brb[03:03:11] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[03:04:25] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[03:10:14] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[03:11:17] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[03:15:29] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[03:29:12] <CIA-5> axeld * r28203 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/WorkspacesView.cpp:[03:29:12] <CIA-5> * Use a good default "yellow" in case there is no decorator (otherwise yellow[03:29:12] <CIA-5> isn't initialized, but also not really used currently).[03:30:49] <CIA-5> axeld * r28204 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/Desktop.cpp:[03:30:49] <CIA-5> * When changing the workspace of a window, it's workspace position will now be[03:30:49] <CIA-5> set to its current position if that is the only workspace it's in.[03:30:49] <CIA-5> * This fixes missing windows on other workspaces in the Workspaces app after[03:30:49] <CIA-5> boot, ie. before you had visited that workspace.[03:35:14] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[03:40:49] <CIA-5> aldeck * r28205 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/tracker/ (PoseView.cpp PoseView.h ViewState.cpp ViewState.h):[03:40:49] <CIA-5> * Rewrote the way BViewState checks if changes needs to be saved on quiting a navigation window (icon mode and[03:40:49] <CIA-5> list mode) or switching dir in single window navigation. Fixes the other half of the problem in #2441. Left some[03:40:49] <CIA-5> todos.[03:40:50] <CIA-5> I discovered an other bug that can add a random offset after finishing adding poses.[03:41:16] *** aldeck has quit IRC[03:49:24] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[03:50:52] <Kokito> hpwdy[03:51:07] <DeadYak> hiya[03:52:31] <Kokito> hiya :)[03:52:42] <DeadYak> how're things?[03:53:16] <Kokito> just came back from the city; went to see an old friend.[03:55:44] <Kokito> first time I drove in peak traffic in a long time. so happy I don't have to commute to work anymore :)[03:55:50] <CIA-5> anevilyak * r28206 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/DesktopSettings.cpp:[03:55:50] <CIA-5> app_server was not storing its settings when the workspace count was changed.[03:55:50] <CIA-5> As a consequence this setting was lost unless another setting was also altered[03:55:50] <CIA-5> that affected the workspace configuration in some way.[03:55:50] <CIA-5> Fixes #2849.[03:56:51] <DeadYak> Kokito: nice :) traffic kinda sucked driving home here too[03:56:59] <DeadYak> rain = traffic jam central over here[04:01:08] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[04:20:16] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[04:20:57] <Gareth> Kokito: howdy.[04:33:22] <Kokito> hey Gareth[04:33:52] * Kokito is watching a documentary about the Ainu in Japan[04:35:22] * Gareth is waiting for a call from a radio station[04:35:52] <Kokito> Gareth, interview?[04:36:11] <Gareth> Yeah.[04:37:43] * JonathanThompson pets AnEvilYak with a serrated-edged comb[04:49:12] <Kokito> Gareth, the price of being famous :P[04:49:23] <Gareth> Kokito: haha apparently.[04:51:51] <Kokito> is this going to be live or recorded?[04:56:01] <Gareth> recorded.[04:56:10] <Gareth> http://www.gutsygeeks.com/[04:56:41] <Gareth> it was just a quick spot talking about the local Linux Users Group, but I got a quick plug for SCALE in there :)[04:57:58] <Kokito> Gareth, cool[05:06:10] <AlienSoldier> http://www.haikuware.com/20081016251/mission-complete that was a good idea, i need to check the file i have, probably have a lot of the missing one[05:17:54] *** thotypous has quit IRC[05:29:25] *** paul0 has quit IRC[05:43:06] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[06:20:36] <AlienSoldier> haikuware "contact"craped on me, anyone have karl email?[06:21:18] <DeadYak> one sec[06:21:41] <DeadYak> mailto:karl at karlvd dot com[06:21:53] <AlienSoldier> mucho gracias[06:21:59] <DeadYak> at least that's the sender on his mails to the haiku dev lists[06:28:02] <AlienSoldier> sent[06:55:54] *** adb has quit IRC[07:03:48] <Kokito> buenas noches folks[07:04:06] *** Kokito has quit IRC[07:05:42] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[07:12:25] *** pyCube has quit IRC[07:12:46] *** phadin has joined #haiku[07:14:37] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[07:27:10] *** M199 has joined #haiku[07:40:23] *** Master199 has quit IRC[07:40:23] *** M199 is now known as Master199[08:25:05] *** RandomInsano has joined #haiku[08:26:49] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[08:44:41] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[09:16:48] *** johndrinkwater has quit IRC[09:19:26] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[09:22:28] *** lorglas has quit IRC[09:22:38] *** lorglas1 has joined #haiku[09:27:20] *** ddew|bofh has joined #haiku[09:27:23] <ddew|bofh> g'day[09:32:23] * JonathanThompson hands ddew|bofh a Slinky with a nasty fever[09:32:54] *** Stefan100 has joined #haiku[09:35:00] <ddew|bofh> i'm afraid to ask... :P[09:35:48] <JonathanThompson> That way you can see it shiver uncontrollably ;)[09:36:03] <ddew|bofh> heh[09:36:08] <ddew|bofh> like a chihuahua[09:36:27] <JonathanThompson> Only, no fur at all, and made of metal :P[09:36:40] <ddew|bofh> they have furs now? :P[09:36:46] <ddew|bofh> err *fur[09:36:59] <ddew|bofh> chihuahuas are an abomination[09:37:03] <JonathanThompson> Not much, perhaps, but chihuahuas do ;)[09:37:14] <JonathanThompson> (Never seen a furry Slinky yet)[09:37:26] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[09:38:32] <ddew|bofh> heh, whenever i see the nick cherrypie i can't help but think of warrant[09:38:50] <ddew|bofh> quite possible the greatest video in the history of rock[09:41:52] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[09:42:12] <ddew|bofh> music videos has become way too serious nowadays, there's no fun left[09:42:40] <JonathanThompson> Weird Al knows how to be fun still.[09:42:54] <JonathanThompson> How can you not love "Weasel Stomping Day" to bits?[09:43:20] <ddew|bofh> yeah, weird al is fun[09:43:38] <JonathanThompson> I've managed to see him once in concert, live.[09:43:46] <JonathanThompson> I had a front row seat, or nearly so.[09:46:13] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[09:46:26] <ddew|bofh> yeah, he's pretty talented[09:46:28] <pyCube> i sat behind him on a plane[09:46:56] *** NeonLicht has quit IRC[09:47:11] * JonathanThompson suspects he got the better show[09:47:37] *** NeonLicht has joined #haiku[09:47:43] <JonathanThompson> though it'd be something to watch him step over an airline seat and land in it, using his double-jointedness to proper advantage.[09:48:01] *** miqlas has quit IRC[09:48:27] <ddew|bofh> he's probably the only guy who could make a song entirely in palindromes and still be funny[09:48:57] * JonathanThompson tries to remember the lyrics to "A Very Complicated Song"[09:49:36] <JonathanThompson> Which must be his reciprocal to his song "Six Words Long"[09:50:33] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[09:51:12] <ddew|bofh> my fav weird al song probably is albuquerque[09:51:39] <JonathanThompson> There's Weird Al's country western song, "The Biggest Ball of Twine in Minnesota"[09:51:44] <JonathanThompson> A very long song.[09:52:11] <ddew|bofh> albuquerque is like 10 minutes long, with a coherent story...kind of[09:52:49] *** Stefan100 is now known as Stefan100|afk[09:53:45] <JonathanThompson> The twine one made perfect sense as a story.[09:54:02] <JonathanThompson> And the craziest thing is, he didn't have to make up the things mentioned in the song.[09:54:25] <ddew|bofh> his holiday tunes are heartwarming too[09:54:37] <ddew|bofh> the night santa went crazy is comedy genius[09:56:12] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[09:56:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[09:56:50] <JonathanThompson> I still love "Christmas At Ground Zero"[10:01:55] <mmu_man> Weird Al \o/[10:02:54] *** sprma has joined #haiku[10:04:50] *** sprma has quit IRC[10:05:08] <mmu_man> just in case you missed it yesterday[10:05:08] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/beos/shots/shot_haiku_netsurf_replicated_and_behappy_001.png[10:05:33] *** sprma has joined #haiku[10:06:48] <ddew|bofh> purty :)[10:07:31] <CIA-5> jackburton * r28207 /haiku/trunk/src/ (5 files in 4 dirs): some gcc4 warning fixes[10:13:09] *** M_199 has joined #haiku[10:13:27] *** HaikuwareDev has joined #Haiku[10:13:59] *** HaikuwareDev has quit IRC[10:15:05] *** Xenexi has joined #haiku[10:15:58] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[10:16:00] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[10:18:49] *** M_199 has quit IRC[10:19:20] <mmu_man> ..[10:30:52] *** lorglas1 has quit IRC[10:31:48] <CIA-5> mmlr * r28208 /haiku/trunk/headers/private/kernel/heap.h:[10:31:48] <CIA-5> Add throw() to the nogrow new operator. This will cause the right version to be[10:31:49] <CIA-5> used that handles NULL returns and doesn't expect an exception. This fixes that[10:31:49] <CIA-5> certain constructors would still be called even if the allocation failed in low[10:31:49] <CIA-5> memory situations.[10:44:31] *** Stefan100|afk is now known as Stefan100[10:48:23] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[10:51:45] *** cherrylap has joined #haiku[10:53:18] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[10:53:23] <miqlas> Hello Guys![10:56:28] <CIA-5> aldeck * r28209 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/tracker/ (ViewState.cpp ViewState.h): * Style cleanup.[10:56:44] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[11:00:20] *** aguent has joined #haiku[11:00:52] *** KariLap has joined #haiku[11:01:28] *** KariLap has quit IRC[11:01:45] *** KariLap has joined #haiku[11:17:10] *** cherrylap has quit IRC[11:18:22] *** andguent has quit IRC[11:19:49] *** Xenexi_ has joined #haiku[11:20:12] *** sprma has quit IRC[11:36:07] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[11:38:54] *** Xenexi has quit IRC[11:50:22] *** miqlas has quit IRC[11:51:14] <CIA-5> aldeck * r28210 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/tracker/PoseView.cpp: (log message trimmed)[11:51:14] <CIA-5> * AddPosesCompleted could be called actually before all the poses were added.[11:51:14] <CIA-5> The method was called after _sending_ all the messages, not after receiving[11:51:14] <CIA-5> them all. This fixes the scroll validity check in AddPosesCompleted in list[11:51:15] <CIA-5> mode (bug mentioned in my last commit).[11:51:17] <CIA-5> We can now close #2441, tracker windows should now be completely persistant[11:51:19] <CIA-5> with regard to scrolling now, in all modes (spatial mode, single window[11:52:49] <CIA-5> stippi * r28211 /haiku/trunk/ (48 files in 23 dirs):[11:52:49] <CIA-5> Patch by Humdinger:[11:52:49] <CIA-5> * Refactored a User Guide style documentation from the previous Welcome[11:52:49] <CIA-5> documentation. The Welcome documentation links to the User Guide, the[11:52:49] <CIA-5> biggest difference is that there is now a separate contents page.[11:52:49] <CIA-5> * Improvements to the text.[11:52:51] <CIA-5> * Added Tracker-Add-ons page.[11:54:39] <CIA-5> axeld * r28212 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/fs/vfs.cpp: (log message trimmed)[11:54:39] <CIA-5> * fs_sync() now holds the sVnodeMutex while iterating over the mount list.[11:54:39] <CIA-5> * This has the advantage that we no longer need to call get_vnode(), and[11:54:39] <CIA-5> instead can use lookup_vnode().[11:54:39] <CIA-5> * This means at least most of the "corrupted BFS inode" messages should be[11:54:39] <CIA-5> gone; they were produced when fs_sync() tried to get already deleted vnodes.[11:54:43] <CIA-5> This was actually harmless, but doesn't really help in trusting your system :-)[11:55:19] <ddew|bofh> i hate the loudness war[11:55:46] <ddew|bofh> makes keeping a sane volume during playlists tricky[11:56:01] <CIA-5> axeld * r28213 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/bfs/kernel_interface.cpp:[11:56:01] <CIA-5> * Give a more detailed error message in case someone just tried to access a[11:56:01] <CIA-5> deleted inode (which might always happen when accessing an inode by ID),[11:56:01] <CIA-5> for example by using the BDirectory(node_ref&) constructor.[11:56:05] <ddew|bofh> not to mention the killing of sound[11:59:30] <mmu_man> ggl[11:59:38] <mmu_man> bbl[12:00:38] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[12:01:44] *** aldeck has quit IRC[12:10:08] *** HaikuwareDev has joined #Haiku[12:14:13] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[12:22:11] *** Xenexi_ has quit IRC[12:26:15] *** Xenexi has joined #haiku[12:29:05] *** idefix_xifedi has quit IRC[12:29:07] *** Xenexi has quit IRC[12:39:00] <aguent> since the be makefile engine is no longer present. and jam is the preferred build tool under haiku. are there example projects showing how to use jam? is there a prewritten jam-macro-file?[12:47:42] *** mats has joined #haiku[12:51:14] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[13:49:39] *** Xenexi has joined #haiku[14:04:33] *** Barrett666_ has joined #haiku[14:09:01] *** helf has joined #haiku[14:09:03] <helf> morning[14:09:15] <ddew|bofh> g'morning[14:13:07] <Teknomancer> hi[14:14:49] <ddew|bofh> aw man, transferring massive amount of data over teh interweb is killing my will to live[14:14:56] <ddew|bofh> it's _slow_[14:15:10] <Xenexi> Needs more trucks.[14:15:23] <ddew|bofh> indeed[14:17:03] <helf> The net needs drano[14:17:30] <ddew|bofh> the tubes seems to be working fine, no clogs as far as i can see[14:18:27] <ddew|bofh> it's like filling a pool with a garden hose. it gets the job done but it takes ages :)[14:18:59] <helf> :P[14:19:05] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[14:19:11] <helf> too bad Internet2 isn't widely available[14:19:18] <ddew|bofh> yet[14:19:21] <helf> I want gigabit speeds no matter what I'm doing[14:19:36] <helf> no, there is no plan for it to be implemented outside companies and learning insitutions[14:19:42] <helf> at least not in the USA, afaik[14:20:29] <ddew|bofh> i'm on 100 mbits but even that feels slow[14:29:17] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[14:29:43] <kr1stof> moin[14:30:18] <helf> shaddup, ddew|bofh :P[14:30:19] <helf> im on 15mbit[14:30:24] <helf> and even that feels fast for here[14:30:25] <helf> ;)[14:30:53] <ddew|bofh> well i'm transferring almost 70GB[14:31:34] <ddew|bofh> it'd take a good while even on a gigabit connection :)[14:35:37] <helf> what the hell are you transefring?[14:35:40] <helf> *transfering[14:35:44] <helf> transferring[14:35:49] <helf> its 7am, shutup :P[14:35:50] <ddew|bofh> star trek[14:35:52] <ddew|bofh> heh[14:35:59] <ddew|bofh> we know you suk at speling[14:36:08] <ddew|bofh> :P[14:36:14] <helf> i duz not![14:36:32] <helf> Is that the complete TNG or what?[14:36:41] <ddew|bofh> tng and voyager[14:36:49] <helf> how bigs the tng set?[14:36:53] <ddew|bofh> i own the dvd sets but i'm too lazy to rip them myself[14:37:06] <ddew|bofh> 35GB each[14:37:12] <ddew|bofh> roughly, or something[14:37:59] <ddew|bofh> voyager is slightly larger to account for d-cups and 2 additional seasons[14:38:19] <helf> i never cared much for voyager[14:38:23] <helf> I like TNG alright, though[14:38:34] <helf> the doctor is the best character in voyager :P[14:38:46] <ddew|bofh> i'm a fan of all the star trek shows, except for ds9[14:38:52] <ddew|bofh> but tng is my fav[14:39:49] <helf> TOS and TNG are great[14:40:01] <helf> DS9 was... OK[14:40:07] <helf> I'll watch voyager if its on[14:40:10] <helf> I cant stand Enterprise[14:40:36] <helf> I have all the movies :)[14:40:38] <ddew|bofh> well season 2 and 3 sucked, but 1 and 4 were great[14:40:43] <helf> i need to finish buying the TNG seasons[14:40:44] <ddew|bofh> of enterprise[14:40:50] <helf> bleh[14:40:55] <ddew|bofh> can't wait for the new st movie :)[14:40:56] <helf> ive watch episodes from all the seasons[14:40:59] <helf> yeah![14:41:01] <helf> looks badass[14:41:05] <helf> at least the trailer is[14:41:05] <helf> :P[14:41:09] <ddew|bofh> indeed[14:41:21] <ddew|bofh> that panning shot of enterprise gave me a boner[14:41:27] <helf> The acting in Enterprise was awful, even for a Startrek show[14:41:31] <helf> :][14:41:54] <helf> I kinda like how they decided to show the enterprise being built on earth instead of in space dock[14:42:00] <ddew|bofh> the only good actors in any st franchise are patrick steward and brent spiner[14:42:26] <helf> The guy that plays the doctor in voyager is decent, imo :)[14:42:29] <ddew|bofh> although shatner is fun in a camp kinda way[14:42:35] <helf> :P[14:42:37] <ddew|bofh> yeah, he's pretty good too[14:42:45] <helf> And the guy that plays worf is decent[14:42:46] <ddew|bofh> i like him in stargate[14:42:46] <helf> actually[14:42:50] <helf> yeah[14:43:06] <ddew|bofh> michael dorrn? haven't seem him anywhere else that i can think of[14:43:09] <ddew|bofh> *dorn[14:43:20] *** sprma has joined #haiku[14:43:29] *** sprma has quit IRC[14:43:31] *** sprma has joined #haiku[14:44:02] <helf> looks like he does a lot of voice acting and for TV movies[14:44:42] <helf> yeah, mostly voice acting and tv series/movies, it seems[14:45:09] <ddew|bofh> i like all the crosspollination of actors in scifi. soon enough we'll have joss whedon project with summer glau, claudia black, shanks and david hewlett[14:45:15] <ddew|bofh> i'd watch that show[14:45:34] <helf> lol[14:46:03] <helf> i wish they'd make a GOOD, action packed, startrek movie[14:46:08] <ddew|bofh> indeed[14:47:00] <ddew|bofh> nemesis was pretty cool though[14:47:09] <ddew|bofh> err generations[14:47:12] <ddew|bofh> sheesh[14:47:41] <helf> like TIHS[14:47:42] <helf> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u7m7BiX1JI[14:47:43] <helf> omfg[14:47:47] <helf> i'd pay $200 to see this[14:47:48] <helf> :P[14:51:00] <ddew|bofh> yeah, kirk vs picard ftw :)[14:51:09] *** sprma has quit IRC[14:51:11] <helf> no startrek movie ever had that much action in it[14:51:20] <helf> and they should have done some EPIC movie[14:51:27] <helf> now half the actors are dead[14:51:39] <ddew|bofh> here's to hoping that star trek will be epic[14:51:54] <ddew|bofh> wouldn't count on it being anything but a mindfuck though, considering the director[14:52:14] <helf> hell, even a mindfuck would be an entertaining twist to the movies[14:53:33] <ddew|bofh> we're not talking proper mindfuck, i mean the funky ass mindfucks of lost here[14:53:40] <helf> oh[14:53:42] <helf> lost sucks[14:53:46] <helf> dont tell me such things[14:53:48] <helf> if this movie blows[14:53:51] <helf> ill probablyk ill someone[14:53:57] <ddew|bofh> it's the same director[14:54:20] <helf> fuuuuck[14:54:22] <ddew|bofh> who preferred star wars over star trek[14:54:22] * helf cries[14:54:30] <helf> why the HELL is he directing it?[14:54:50] <ddew|bofh> but he's done some pretty big projects, lost, MI:3 and Alias[14:54:52] <helf> i dunno, you can pretty much do anything in startrek and trekkies will buy it[14:54:59] <ddew|bofh> all of which are brilliant... :/[14:55:02] <helf> i didnt like alias or lost[14:55:09] <helf> havent seen MI:3 yet[14:55:10] <ddew|bofh> all three of them sucked ass[14:55:29] <helf> first one was OK. its entertaining[14:55:32] <helf> the second one was..[14:55:34] <helf> oh god it was bad[14:55:43] <ddew|bofh> indeed[14:56:07] <ddew|bofh> looking forward to seeing john cho as sulu though :)[14:56:29] <ddew|bofh> off centre rocked[14:58:04] <helf> :)[14:58:25] <helf> If i had billions of spare dollars[14:58:49] <helf> I'd pump billions of dollars into a 3 hour startrek epic using the most life like computer animation possible since a lot of the actors are.. indisposed[14:58:52] <ddew|bofh> if i had billions of spre dollars i'd start a tv company just so i could renew firefly[14:59:04] <helf> firefly was great[14:59:15] <ddew|bofh> firefly wasn't great, it was epic awesomeness[14:59:27] <helf> lol[14:59:36] <helf> yeah[14:59:46] <helf> one o fthe dirt new scifi flicks to be any good in the last few years[14:59:49] <helf> and it wasnt just :"good"[14:59:55] <helf> it upped the bar for all future ones[15:00:00] <helf> btw, /me hates the new BSG[15:00:05] <helf> its a fucking soap opera[15:00:11] <ddew|bofh> yeah, i lost interest after season 1[15:00:33] <ddew|bofh> too many intrigues and shit now[15:01:08] <Stefan100> BSG?[15:01:19] <ddew|bofh> battlestar galactica[15:01:36] <helf> like most "dramas", its a soap opera iwth a larger budget than most[15:01:36] <helf> :P[15:01:48] <ddew|bofh> *groan*[15:01:53] <helf> its not a proper scifi show[15:02:02] * helf hates dramas with a passion[15:02:10] <ddew|bofh> here's another suggestion for spending 3 bill dollars: http://xkcd.com/311/ :P[15:02:31] <ddew|bofh> drama's ok, but don't fucking call it scifi and mess with my head[15:02:51] <helf> hehe[15:03:22] <ddew|bofh> i'd pay good money to see that flick[15:04:41] <ddew|bofh> one good thing about the star trek franchise though compare to the star wars franchise is that atleast we're not seeing our childhood idols being assraped by chihuahuas.[15:05:12] <ddew|bofh> the new series and mjovies might not be great but atleast they resemble the originals somewhat[15:05:50] <helf> yeah[15:05:55] <helf> i want to shoot lucas[15:05:58] * ddew|bofh is slightly pissed off over spending time watching the clone wars series[15:06:05] <helf> i refused to watch it[15:06:06] <ddew|bofh> it was painfully bad[15:07:10] <helf> im pissed at the dvds i own[15:07:14] <ddew|bofh> the whole yoda reboot they did in ep2 seriously pissed me off[15:07:17] <helf> NOWHERE did they say they were the special editions[15:07:29] <helf> i bought them after the unmolested originals were put on DVD[15:07:32] <helf> so i was hoping...[15:07:37] <ddew|bofh> ah[15:07:37] <helf> nope, special editions[15:07:45] <helf> so i have to go buy another set :P[15:08:22] <helf> i actually like some of the changes in the specials. im planning on ripping the remastered originals and the special editions and spinning a new version with just the scenes i like from the special added[15:08:26] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[15:08:42] <ddew|bofh> i like what they did with all the consoles and signs[15:08:47] <helf> yeah[15:08:49] <DHowett> *hunts around for a cheap laser printer sadly* stupid non-cheap laser printers[15:08:50] <ddew|bofh> translated them to imperial[15:09:07] <helf> i HATE what they did at the end and with mos whateverthefuckitsspelled[15:09:20] <ddew|bofh> mos eisley?[15:09:25] <helf> DHowett, I have an old hp laserjet 4p :P[15:09:26] <ddew|bofh> where they added the bantha and shit?[15:09:28] <helf> ddew|bofh, yeahg[15:09:44] <helf> and where they ruined jabas barge with that gay ass dancing alien[15:10:00] <helf> and that horrible deleted scene the added back in with han and jabba in the hanger[15:10:13] <helf> that scene ruined the surprise of seeing the falcon[15:10:28] <ddew|bofh> 3 words sum it all up:[15:10:30] <helf> i found some website awhile back showing differences between the two.[15:10:31] <ddew|bofh> han shot first[15:10:36] <DHowett> helf: This interests me for some reason, despite the feeling of age in those letters[15:10:38] <helf> the guy missed HUNDREDS of little changes[15:10:46] <helf> ddew|bofh, oh god[15:10:50] <helf> that is probably the worst change[15:11:03] <helf> they even had to shorten that scene to make that change[15:11:09] <helf> DHowett, its fairly old but owrks fine, iirc[15:11:10] <ddew|bofh> that little change pussified han solo[15:11:26] <DHowett> helf: Style of connection?[15:11:35] <helf> parallel or serial iirc[15:11:37] <helf> might just be parallel[15:11:41] <DHowett> Some plug the size of my laptop :)[15:11:41] <DHowett> hehe[15:11:43] <helf> ddew|bofh, yeah[15:12:02] <DHowett> helf: Forgot to mention the USB criteria. Very nice, though[15:12:05] <helf> ddew|bofh, some of the chages were nice. like the fighters headed off to the deathstar and what not[15:12:07] <ddew|bofh> but lucas might've woken up to the truth: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Kelly_and_George.jpg[15:12:25] <ddew|bofh> yeah, redoing effect shots was a good thing[15:12:36] <ddew|bofh> but do not fuck with the story. PERIOD[15:12:42] <helf> why would he have even allowed that change?[15:12:44] <helf> yeah[15:13:44] <ddew|bofh> the dvds i own have both versions[15:13:49] <helf> nice[15:13:52] <ddew|bofh> the real version and the 2004 fuckup[15:14:10] <helf> the first special editions were unbelievably bad[15:14:11] <helf> ever see those?[15:14:45] <ddew|bofh> nah, i missed out on those[15:14:54] <helf> good[15:14:59] <helf> count yourself very very very lucky[15:15:14] <ddew|bofh> heh[15:15:14] <helf> we are talking N64 quality textures[15:15:32] <ddew|bofh> oh yay[15:15:35] <helf> actually, i think i jsut insulted the N64[15:15:45] <ddew|bofh> heh, fun trivia. the original emperor was played by a chick[15:16:02] <helf> she did a fucking good job[15:16:02] <helf> :P[15:16:12] <ddew|bofh> indeed[15:16:15] <helf> i wish he'd kept with his original plan[15:16:18] <helf> it was to be 9 movies[15:16:21] <helf> or books[15:16:34] <helf> same "world" but the only tihng really tying them together were to be the two droids[15:16:36] <DHowett> Man, I loved my N64.. got it for christmas when it was headed out of style :)[15:16:39] <helf> that would have been awesome if he did it right[15:16:45] <helf> :)[15:16:56] <helf> i got mine for xmas like a year after it came out[15:16:56] <ddew|bofh> yeah, totally[15:17:04] <helf> one of the few times my dad has bought us new stuff like that[15:17:16] <DHowett> helf: It would have been completely awesome to have an n64dd unit for the bottom :)[15:17:22] <helf> came with the starwars speed racer cart[15:17:30] <helf> DHowett, oooh yeah :P[15:17:32] <DHowett> mine came with Pokemon Stadium :([15:17:33] <helf> those are so expensive now[15:17:42] <helf> i loved the speeder game[15:17:55] <DHowett> god yeah[15:17:55] <DHowett> :)[15:17:56] <ddew|bofh> pod racer game?[15:17:58] <helf> at one point, i could play it on the hardest difficulty and come in first in EVERY course in one sitting[15:18:01] <helf> oh yeah, pod racer[15:18:03] <DHowett> nice[15:18:04] <helf> whatever it was called :P[15:18:19] <helf> the *best* pod was Neva Kees[15:18:47] <DHowett> Like totally the best car in f-zero for the SNES was the purple stingray one ;)[15:18:55] <helf> :P[15:19:03] <helf> speaking of f-zero[15:19:21] <ddew|bofh> wow, haven't played that game in like 10-12 years[15:19:27] <ddew|bofh> god i feel old[15:19:29] <DHowett> ddew|bofh: makes you feel old, eh[15:19:30] <DHowett> hey :P[15:19:33] <helf> i actually liked the speed racer movie OK. the acting was horrible, but so was teh cartoon.. and the racing was just a live action f-zero x ^_^[15:19:47] <ddew|bofh> heh[15:20:03] <DHowett> that F-Zero anime clip on youtube was awesome. "Falcon Punch!" (as the world -disintegrates-)[15:20:05] *** Ingenu is now known as IngenuAWAY[15:20:12] <ddew|bofh> well acting in a speed racer movie is like expecting an oscar performance from death race 2000[15:20:18] <ddew|bofh> not. gonna. happen.[15:20:48] <DHowett> Now that i'm 19 am i allowed to feel old when i reminisce? ;P[15:21:18] <ddew|bofh> heh[15:22:22] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[15:22:41] <ddew|bofh> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/32/Greedo_shoots_first.jpg[15:22:44] <ddew|bofh> seriously?[15:22:53] <ddew|bofh> i could do better than that in paint ffs[15:23:15] <DHowett> HAH[15:23:20] *** shiroginne has joined #haiku[15:23:29] <DHowett> I don't know, that's some pretty heavy stuff there[15:24:42] <ddew|bofh> aw man, i just realized something[15:24:55] <ddew|bofh> i'n turned into fat comic book guy from the Simpsons[15:25:02] <ddew|bofh> except for the fat part[15:25:18] <ddew|bofh> i'm a cliche[15:25:25] <helf> LOL[15:25:33] <ddew|bofh> "han shot first", "fox is evil, resurrect firefly" etc[15:25:39] *** _maniac_ has joined #haiku[15:27:00] <helf> you aint alone[15:27:10] <helf> i get rabid when people tlel me the 3 new starwars movies are good[15:27:10] <helf> :P[15:27:16] <helf> brb[15:27:24] <ddew|bofh> that's a shooting offense[15:27:36] *** _maniac_ has quit IRC[15:28:42] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[15:30:30] *** shiroginne1 has quit IRC[15:37:15] <helf> morning yak[15:37:53] <DeadYak> hiya[15:41:19] <helf> bah[15:41:27] <helf> yet another LCDs backlite has gone out[15:41:34] <helf> I'm not liking the reliability of these viewsonics[15:41:53] <helf> at the edge or their warranty and they are starting to fail[15:41:59] <helf> we've had 5 go out in the last 2 months[15:49:21] <ddew|bofh> heh, i can spend all afternoon griping about star wars fuckups :D[15:50:22] <CIA-5> mmlr * r28214 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/bfs/kernel_interface.cpp: (log message trimmed)[15:50:22] <CIA-5> Fix two bugs related to the use of the entry cache for parent entries in BFS:[15:50:22] <CIA-5> * The parent entry ("..") of a directory was not removed from the cache when its[15:50:22] <CIA-5> directory was removed.[15:50:22] <CIA-5> * When moving a directory to a new parent, it's cached parent entry wasn't[15:50:25] <CIA-5> updated.[15:50:27] <CIA-5> Those would lead to stale cache entries for directory parents. If a certain inode[15:54:14] <helf> ddew|bofh, lol, yeah[15:55:34] <ddew|bofh> yet still, barring I-III (which i refuse to admit happened) the trilogy is the best scifi movies ever made[15:56:14] <DHowett> helf: Had a burned out cathode tube from a backlight.. the ends were literally BURNED OFF from the display being on full-time for years[15:57:30] <helf> nice[15:57:38] <helf> ddew|bofh, yeah. they really are[15:57:55] <helf> the space scenes are amazing, 'specially for that point in time[15:58:02] <helf> i hate how everything is CGI. I LOVE models[15:58:27] <ddew|bofh> well i like the improved effects. i was mostly thinking about the epic story arc[15:58:40] <ddew|bofh> the nomiker space opera is perfect[15:58:46] <ddew|bofh> *moniker[15:58:59] <DeadYak> I'm not sure I'd go with best ever made, but they were definitely up there[15:59:07] <helf> best ever[15:59:11] * helf glares at DeadYak[15:59:20] <helf> ddew|bofh, the storyline really is quite good too[15:59:23] *** tolimanB has joined #haiku[15:59:44] <ddew|bofh> the story-line is fantastic[15:59:59] <ddew|bofh> it's an epos in the vein of Beowulf[16:00:16] <helf> I love the millenium falcon[16:00:22] <ddew|bofh> and not just some random scifi "hunt aliens"/alien invasion crap[16:00:26] <helf> ive decided i like it so much because its a space van.[16:00:30] <helf> andi have a fasscination with vans[16:00:39] <ddew|bofh> yeah, the falcon is a great vehicle[16:00:45] <ddew|bofh> a proper freight vessle[16:01:07] <DeadYak> space van immediately makes me think of that flying winnebago in spaceballs heh[16:01:18] *** Xenexi has quit IRC[16:01:26] <DHowett> i'm just reminded of "What the hell is an aluminum falcon!"[16:01:27] <helf> :P[16:01:52] <ddew|bofh> the winnebago rocks :)[16:02:04] <ddew|bofh> with barf as its trusted pilot[16:02:09] <DeadYak> ddew|bofh: that movie rocked in general[16:02:11] <helf> ddew|bofh, i iwsh they'd make more like it. the newest scifi flick thats close is serenity[16:02:21] <helf> we used to own a winnebego :P[16:02:21] <DHowett> DeadYak: absolutely. :)[16:02:23] <helf> i LOVE those things[16:02:55] <ddew|bofh> it'd be cool to see a followup of the original stargate movie[16:03:01] <ddew|bofh> i really liked that film[16:03:10] <helf> there are so many books i wish they'd turn into movies[16:03:20] <helf> 'course, they could fuck them up bad[16:03:35] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[16:03:38] <helf> I'd love a well done version of 'Armor', Ender's Game, Song of Albion... etc etc[16:04:34] <ddew|bofh> well given the recenmt surge in scifi and how geekdom has become cool i wouldn't be too surprised to something like that[16:04:40] <ddew|bofh> *recent[16:05:20] <DeadYak> speaking of Ender's Game, I'm scared to ask where they're going with the next futurama movie[16:05:25] <DeadYak> considering it's titled "Bender's Game"[16:05:32] <ddew|bofh> heh[16:06:23] <helf> uh oh[16:07:37] <helf> bbl, gotta finish inventory[16:08:08] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[16:08:21] <DeadYak> hi mmlr[16:08:30] *** k-os has joined #haiku[16:08:38] <mmlr> hi there[16:11:53] *** HaikuwareDev has quit IRC[16:12:34] <k-os> no web-browser installed?[16:13:01] <DeadYak> not on the vmware images from the factory if that's what you grabbed[16:13:01] <mmlr> where?[16:13:06] <DeadYak> you can wget one easily enough though[16:13:32] <k-os> yes, i thought of wgetting one[16:14:05] <k-os> any docs/guides on that subject?[16:14:34] <DeadYak> I'd give you the URL but I forgot to start sshd on my box so I can't get to my source tree...[16:15:42] <k-os> you can tell me where you got the url, and i might be able to fix it[16:16:11] <DeadYak> one sec[16:16:41] <DeadYak> : http://www.yellowbites.com/downloads/Firefox-2.0.0.12.zip[16:16:54] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[16:17:38] <k-os> wget http://www.yellowbites.com/downloads/Firefox-2.0.0.12.zip ?[16:17:43] <DeadYak> yes.[16:18:25] *** KariLap has quit IRC[16:20:56] <k-os> isn't it possible to set up a shared folder/location between the guest and the host os?[16:21:10] <DeadYak> dunno, I pretty much never use vmware[16:28:26] <mmlr> it is possible, but it's most probably just a cifs network share[16:28:32] <mmlr> haiku doesn't support that yet[16:31:42] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[16:31:47] <ddew|bofh> ftp is a good way to transfer files in and out of vms[16:32:03] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[16:32:28] <ddew|bofh> i've used the haiku ftpserver to transfer files on numerous occasions[16:42:20] *** Qu4Z has quit IRC[16:44:39] <mmlr> 216 commits from begeistert+codingsprint[16:44:51] <DeadYak> nice :)[16:44:52] <mmlr> not that bad for 7 days[16:45:01] <mmlr> that's over 30 commits a day[16:51:33] *** mmlr has quit IRC[16:52:23] *** IngenuAWAY is now known as Ingenu[16:55:47] *** _Lucretia__ has joined #haiku[16:55:57] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[16:56:18] *** wildur has quit IRC[16:56:46] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[17:00:20] *** karlvd has joined #haiku[17:04:56] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[17:11:22] <helf> hm[17:11:37] <helf> I've some how made it so that my User can kill even system owned processes in XP.[17:11:46] *** _Lucretia___ has quit IRC[17:11:56] <helf> I have no idea how I managed that. It comes in handy, though. I wish I could remember how to do it so I could set my other PCs up that way. heh[17:13:44] <umccullough> helf, an admin *can* kill system owned processes[17:14:05] <umccullough> just not all of them[17:14:08] <helf> cant, usually, if its a critical system process[17:14:15] <helf> i can kill *anything* with my user on this install[17:14:22] <umccullough> yeah, but that doesn't equate to *all* system-owned processes[17:14:23] <DeadYak> not usually one that's running as user "SYSTEM"[17:14:26] <helf> It doesn't even whine[17:14:39] <umccullough> i can kill processes owned by SYSTEM all day long[17:14:45] <DeadYak> or maybe that's just a restriction enforced by Task Manager[17:14:49] <umccullough> just not all of them ;)[17:15:00] <helf> umccullough, I'm pretty sure I'm not limited.[17:15:05] <helf> lemme save my work and test ;) im curious now :P[17:15:07] <DeadYak> using taskmanager or some other tool like process explorer?[17:15:15] <umccullough> helf, try killing smss[17:15:17] <helf> taskman[17:15:34] <helf> didnt work. nevermind :][17:15:37] <umccullough> ;)[17:15:41] <umccullough> anyhow, off to work[17:15:44] <helf> well, I havent tried it since installing PS3[17:15:46] <helf> *SP3[17:16:40] <DHowett> random note: supershell starts a command prompt in the SYSTEM context.. very neat[17:16:52] <helf> heh[17:18:04] <ddew|bofh> ok, time to brace myself. about to watch Star Wars the holiday special[17:19:11] <helf> oh god[17:19:12] <helf> its so bad[17:19:13] <helf> :P[17:19:17] <helf> been years since i saw it[17:19:57] <ddew|bofh> downloaded it just now for shits n' giggles[17:20:07] <DeadYak> (mostly shits)[17:20:10] <ddew|bofh> my expectations aren't set very high :P[17:20:11] <helf> :P[17:20:42] <ddew|bofh> it's appearantly so bad that even Lucas himself is ashamed of it[17:20:53] <ddew|bofh> and that's bad[17:21:01] <DeadYak> I was going to say, after that clone wars movie....[17:21:45] <ddew|bofh> it'll be tough to be the gungans though[17:21:50] <ddew|bofh> *beat[17:22:49] <ddew|bofh> not even the ewoks piss me off as much as the gungans[17:23:33] <helf> hey[17:23:37] <helf> dont diss the ewoks[17:23:40] <helf> wicket will kick your ass[17:23:50] <ddew|bofh> egad[17:24:00] <DeadYak> woot, army of teddy bears![17:24:04] <ddew|bofh> the term offensive cuteness was coined because of ewoks[17:24:08] <helf> :P[17:24:28] <helf> their cuteness will turn you from your wicked ways[17:24:48] <ddew|bofh> a tiger huggling a monkey isn't even close to ewok cuteness[17:24:50] <DeadYak> (disclosure: ddew was the one piloting that AT-AT)[17:24:52] <ddew|bofh> *barf*[17:24:56] <ddew|bofh> hehe[17:25:17] <helf> :P[17:25:41] <ddew|bofh> icanhascheezburger is cynical and dark compared to ewoks[17:26:05] <helf> the ewoks should have been our first warning of the gayness lucas was going to unleash 30 years later[17:26:17] <ddew|bofh> he raped our childhood memories[17:26:23] <ddew|bofh> in the ass[17:27:29] <ddew|bofh> although this pic from cheezburger was actually pretty neat: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/omgfullastarz-sm.jpg[17:28:03] <ddew|bofh> but it might be the awesomeness of Clarke shining through[17:28:16] <helf> nice cat head[17:29:00] <ddew|bofh> indeed[17:29:46] <DHowett> I've turned that every which way and I can't figure out how it is...[17:29:54] <DHowett> ah, there[17:30:00] <helf> heh[17:30:09] <helf> took my a split second to realize it was a cat, im afraid to say[17:31:43] <ddew|bofh> what can i say, i'm a sucker for kitties :)[17:38:31] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:42:58] *** shiroginne1 has joined #haiku[17:43:20] <CIA-5> axeld * r28215 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/fs/vfs.cpp:[17:43:20] <CIA-5> * Instead of having the mount_link, struct vnode now subclasses from[17:43:20] <CIA-5> DoublyLinkedListLinkImpl, and fs_mount now uses a DoublyLinkedList instead[17:43:20] <CIA-5> of a typeless struct list.[17:43:20] <CIA-5> * Also added a constructor/destructor to fs_mount which simplifies and cleans[17:43:20] <CIA-5> some code.[17:43:24] <CIA-5> * This should not contain any functional changes :-)[17:45:51] <CIA-5> axeld * r28216 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/servers/app/stress_test/main.cpp:[17:45:51] <CIA-5> stippi+axeld:[17:45:51] <CIA-5> * Made the StressTest app into a real stress test for the app_server, as the[17:45:51] <CIA-5> windows are now randomly changed, ie. moved, resized, hidden, activated, ...[17:45:51] <CIA-5> * This already helped identifying two long-hiding bugs in the app_server code![17:47:33] <CIA-5> axeld * r28217 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ServerWindow.cpp:[17:47:33] <CIA-5> * AS_ACTIVATE_WINDOW must not hold a window lock when calling[17:47:33] <CIA-5> Desktop::ActivateWindow(), or Desktop::SendWindowBehind().[17:47:33] <CIA-5> * This fixes a potential deadlock.[17:53:07] *** shiroginne has quit IRC[17:59:38] *** AndrevS has joined #haiku[18:05:38] *** cherrylap has joined #haiku[18:09:04] *** adb has joined #haiku[18:10:35] *** k-os has quit IRC[18:15:51] * tqh tries summoning stippi thru magical BMessages[18:17:44] <DeadYak> tqh: what's up?[18:18:03] <tqh> he has a firefox icon :)[18:18:25] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[18:22:13] *** Hoern has joined #Haiku[18:22:13] *** helf has quit IRC[18:22:13] <Hoern> hi[18:22:13] <Hoern> just a short question, what again was the proggie called that list all libraries that an app uses?![18:22:13] <Teknomancer> ldd[18:22:13] <Teknomancer> ?[18:22:13] <Hoern> ah, thanks a lot![18:22:13] <Teknomancer> yw[18:22:13] <Hoern> I allways forget that one :-)[18:22:13] *** helf has joined #haiku[18:22:20] <tqh> I liked the BeGeistert report at haiku-os.org specially the photo description in the beginning.[18:23:35] <tqh> I use objdump -x and look at NEEDED[18:24:31] <DeadYak> hi Hoern :) long time no see :)[18:24:39] <Hoern> hi DeadYak!!![18:25:02] <Hoern> tqh: hmm, works also. But ldd also shows you the paths[18:25:42] <DHowett> tqh: I know there was a ff icon thrown into the repository lately, but it's just the hvif from the original ff svg, as far as i read[18:25:47] *** thotypous has quit IRC[18:26:06] <tqh> DHowett, yes he wrote that he could provide me with a rdef as well.[18:26:18] <Hoern> DeadYak: still heavily coding?![18:26:23] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[18:26:28] <DHowett> tqh: ahh, yes. I remember that.[18:26:35] <tqh> It's no hurry so I'm just looking for him here from time to time.[18:26:51] <tqh> but I want it![18:26:57] <DHowett> :)[18:27:07] <CIA-5> bonefish * r28218 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/thread.cpp:[18:27:07] <CIA-5> * The undertaker was not locking when enqueuing the thread structure in[18:27:07] <CIA-5> the free queue.[18:27:07] <CIA-5> * "thread" also prints the thread's I/O priority.[18:28:10] <tqh> anyone that knows openvms event flags?[18:28:37] <DeadYak> Hoern: not as much as I'd like, too tired after work :([18:28:57] <tqh> does set/clear do anything else besides setting clearing a flag? Signalling?[18:29:09] <DeadYak> don't know openvms, sorry[18:30:12] <vbmithr> vms :)[18:31:18] <CIA-5> bonefish * r28219 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs):[18:31:18] <CIA-5> * Moved memset_physical() to vm.cpp and made it available in the kernel.[18:31:18] <CIA-5> * Added memcpy_to_physical().[18:31:37] <tqh> well then I just assume they are atomic flags that a process can use, and that my emulation of those is not what causing problems.[18:31:37] *** petterhj has quit IRC[18:44:19] <CIA-5> bonefish * r28220 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/cache/file_cache.cpp: (log message trimmed)[18:44:19] <CIA-5> Updated write_to_cache() to use physical pages for I/O and the new[18:44:19] <CIA-5> {memset,memcpy_to}_physical() functions.[18:44:19] <CIA-5> Mapping lots of physical pages at once as done before was an actual[18:44:19] <CIA-5> problem on systems with enough RAM, as the physical page mapper can map[18:44:20] <CIA-5> only 64 chunks at a time. So multiple threads could play dining[18:44:24] <CIA-5> philosophers, each getting only one of two chopsticks, waiting for[18:46:20] *** thotypous has quit IRC[18:46:48] <AlienSoldier> helf more profanation for you http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.lebloggadget.com/2008/10/comment-intgrer.html&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=fr&tl=en[18:46:54] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[18:47:34] <helf> who... who would do that to a Saturn??[18:47:54] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[18:48:17] <AlienSoldier> pervert :)[18:51:33] *** leszek has joined #haiku[18:51:50] <leszek> hi[18:52:37] <CIA-5> bonefish * r28221 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs):[18:52:37] <CIA-5> Moved definition of the PAUSE macro to <cpu.h>, respectively[18:52:37] <CIA-5> <arch/cpu.h>.[18:58:28] <CIA-5> bonefish * r28222 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/arch/generic/generic_vm_physical_page_mapper.cpp:[18:58:28] <CIA-5> * Removed debug check.[18:58:28] <CIA-5> * "iospace p" should only print the entries for actually existing[18:58:29] <CIA-5> memory.[18:58:29] <CIA-5> * Fixed output of "iospace v".[19:04:37] *** shiroginne1 has quit IRC[19:13:36] *** Rakhun|away has joined #haiku[19:25:35] *** cherrylap has quit IRC[19:28:41] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[19:28:48] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[19:36:09] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[19:44:09] *** Rakhun|away is now known as Rakhun[19:46:14] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[19:46:29] <plfiorini> woff woff[19:47:37] <ddew|bofh> *meep*[19:48:40] <plfiorini> damn, the .cue i've copied from haikulivescript seems broken[19:48:53] * plfiorini is looking for cdrecord for windoze[19:49:03] <ddew|bofh> imgburn.com[19:49:09] <ddew|bofh> works great[19:50:00] <plfiorini> also for the haiku live disc?[19:50:11] <plfiorini> i've followed this http://www.haiku-os.org/blog/mmu_man/2008-03-03/the_return_of_the_son_of_the_demo_cd[19:50:38] <plfiorini> but took the .cue from haikulivescript but the i see the 1.44mb floppy loading ... then the pc reboots[19:50:44] <plfiorini> tryied with tow PCs[19:50:53] <ddew|bofh> the livecd script is ancient[19:51:00] <ddew|bofh> i doubt it still works[19:51:10] <plfiorini> one of those is a 2000 pc known to work with max and zeta[19:51:20] <DeadYak> yeah, it's entirely possible that that procedure's fallen out of date with recent changes[19:51:35] <DeadYak> you'll most likely have better luck with a USB stick[19:51:44] <plfiorini> nope[19:51:53] *** pyCube has quit IRC[19:52:02] <plfiorini> dd if=haiku.image of=/dev/sdb1 worked but can't boot[19:52:14] <plfiorini> tried with my pc which supports booting of usb[19:52:27] <ddew|bofh> try dd if=file of=/dev/sdb[19:52:28] <DeadYak> how far's it get?[19:52:28] <leszek> plfiorini, have you tried the haiku-dd-installer for linux ?[19:52:37] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[19:52:47] <ddew|bofh> the image already has a partition table and putting it on a partition might confuse it[19:52:49] <leszek> plfiorini, ddew|bofh ist right[19:52:57] <plfiorini> leszek, this requires to install linux - i'm building the images from a virtual machine linux box :)[19:53:09] <DeadYak> yeah, for the USB stick you need to be dd'ing straight to the root of the disk[19:53:25] <plfiorini> oooooooh now i try thanks[19:53:34] <ddew|bofh> good luck[19:53:41] <plfiorini> thanks[19:53:50] <leszek> plfiorini, a alternative would be make the sdb1 bootable from a beos or zeta cd . But i am not sure it will boot then[19:54:17] <leszek> this works on a hd well, never tried it on usb[19:54:20] <plfiorini> leszek, if i can't do it will install linux - no problem[19:54:52] <plfiorini> leszek, it's that i wanted to use my free space for other things - this was a linux-free pc in these months ;)[19:54:59] <ddew|bofh> good lad[19:55:02] <ddew|bofh> avoid linux[19:55:06] <leszek> :)[19:55:15] <plfiorini> and i've forgot the suse dvd at work[19:55:21] <leszek> bah suse[19:55:37] <plfiorini> i like it more than others[19:55:40] <ddew|bofh> i hate it when people start using linux and declare the best computing experience ever simply because they like the novelty of it[19:55:48] <leszek> use zevenos is a livecd works great and I worked on it :P Therefor it has to be good ;)[19:56:08] <ddew|bofh> heh, is that still in development?[19:56:13] <leszek> yep[19:56:19] <leszek> rc 1 will be out tomorrow[19:56:28] <leszek> a visual clone of beos/zeta/haiku[19:56:29] <ddew|bofh> i like what you did with magi but i'm not so sure about the rest[19:56:32] <plfiorini> ddew|bofh, linux is pure mess for desktop. it's now official[19:56:56] <leszek> ddew|bofh, its work in progress[19:56:57] <ddew|bofh> problem with cloning the looks of beos is that it doesn't clone the functionality and that was kinda the main selling point of beos[19:56:57] <plfiorini> ddew|bofh, people use it because it's free and has more software than any other so called alternative systems[19:57:20] <plfiorini> ddew|bofh, haiku will kick all this messed-up desktop distributions[19:57:26] <leszek> ddew|bofh, sure its hard to get that working ;)[19:57:28] <ddew|bofh> i'm fine with linux, it's the naive users i can't stand[19:57:29] <plfiorini> at least i hope people will start using it[19:57:39] <ddew|bofh> people who treat software as religion are idiots[19:57:58] <ddew|bofh> leszek: good job on magi anyway :)[19:58:03] <leszek> thx ;)[19:59:31] <ddew|bofh> i'm hoping the rtl81xx gets some attention soon, it's the only problem that keeps me from using haiku as a full time os on my aspire[20:00:06] <ddew|bofh> if i had more experience writing device drivers for fbsd i'd take a crack at it myself but atm the learning curve seems way too steep[20:00:37] <leszek> yeah the rtl8139 is now working but network speed over all is a little bit slow[20:00:54] <ddew|bofh> the rtl81xx locks up randomly[20:01:09] <ddew|bofh> the rtl8139 is a native driver, right?[20:01:13] <leszek> no[20:01:19] <leszek> its the freebsd driver[20:01:21] <DeadYak> nope, that would be 8169[20:01:26] <ddew|bofh> ah[20:01:37] * ddew|bofh learned something new today :)[20:01:54] <ddew|bofh> haven't used 8139 chips since i switched to gigabit[20:04:00] <leszek> hmm... I am still waiting for the alpha 1 . Maybe I am able to show it off in a tech show here in germany[20:04:06] <ddew|bofh> btw, didn't someone do some work on getting gcc2 images built under mac os x leopard recently?[20:04:19] <DeadYak> I thought they already build[20:04:22] <DeadYak> oh wait[20:04:23] <DeadYak> gcc2[20:04:29] <DeadYak> dunno on that[20:05:51] <ddew|bofh> i'm hacking away at it here and wanted to avoid doing duplicate work :P[20:06:04] *** sprma has joined #haiku[20:08:29] *** sprma has quit IRC[20:12:38] *** johndrinkwater has joined #haiku[20:13:16] <CIA-5> bonefish * r28223 /haiku/trunk/ (7 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)[20:13:16] <CIA-5> * Removed unused SMP_MSG_RESCHEDULE ICI message.[20:13:16] <CIA-5> * Introduced flag "invoke_scheduler" in the per CPU structure. It is[20:13:16] <CIA-5> evaluated in hardware_interrupt() (x86 only ATM).[20:13:16] <CIA-5> * Introduced SMP_MSG_RESCHEDULE_IF_IDLE message, which enters the[20:13:17] <CIA-5> scheduler when the CPU currently runs an idle thread.[20:13:19] <CIA-5> * Don't do dprintf() "CPU x halted!" when handling a SMP_MSG_CPU_HALT[20:13:50] *** nils_t has joined #haiku[20:13:59] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[20:27:21] *** Matias has joined #haiku[20:28:08] *** Cube-ness has joined #haiku[20:29:47] *** Cube-ness has quit IRC[20:31:58] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[20:32:16] <DeadYak> hi aldeck :) back home?[20:35:59] *** thotypous has quit IRC[20:39:14] *** atomozero has joined #haiku[20:39:22] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[20:39:39] *** thotypous has quit IRC[20:42:52] *** Barrett666_ has quit IRC[20:43:02] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[20:46:33] *** wavelet has joined #haiku[20:46:50] *** wavelet has quit IRC[20:51:18] <ddew|bofh> yay, got the buildtools working under leopard :D[20:51:31] *** aldeck has quit IRC[20:51:40] *** Matias has quit IRC[20:52:20] <plfiorini> ddew|bofh, wow nice![20:52:30] * plfiorini is still dd'ing the image[20:53:09] * plfiorini is also wondering what demo would be cool[20:53:14] <ddew|bofh> heh, dding images over usb 1 is slow[20:53:30] <plfiorini> a web cam that shows its image realtime on a cube would be awesome[20:53:34] <ddew|bofh> well for a demo vlc, firefox and vision works well[20:53:45] <plfiorini> i though about some porn[20:53:55] <plfiorini> the web cam on the cube would be porn[20:54:30] <plfiorini> i still have to think about the slides for this italian event though[20:56:38] *** Matias has joined #haiku[20:57:13] <plfiorini> ddew|bofh, it is a usb2 key but virtual box see it as usb 1[20:57:39] <plfiorini> can't get usb2 working with virtual box[20:57:56] <ddew|bofh> if it's any consolation i can't get it working on vmware either :P[20:58:05] <plfiorini> heheh :)[21:04:20] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[21:10:53] *** atomozero has quit IRC[21:15:21] *** Matias has quit IRC[21:19:54] <PulkoMandy> +++ :)[21:20:14] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[21:22:19] <helf> aaaaaw[21:22:22] <helf> Kaiwai left OSN[21:22:44] <helf> Why do people feel the need to write a long "im leaving" letter everytime they "leave" a website?[21:22:47] <helf> I should start doing that[21:24:03] <pyCube> "See, i am totally important"[21:25:20] <helf> :P[21:25:35] <helf> It's the Internet. No one cares.[21:26:31] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[21:27:41] <ddew|bofh> sheesh[21:28:07] <ddew|bofh> it's a geek newssite, comments on that don't even register on the importance scale[21:28:20] <helf> yeah[21:28:31] <pyCube> its right up there with , "Oh, i'd better encrypt my fs/email/etc so that people cant steal my important info"[21:28:36] <helf> Internet dweebs have a very misplaced sense of self importance[21:29:03] <ddew|bofh> yeah, i've never understood people obsession with information security[21:29:49] <helf> it makes you feel important to be paranoid[21:30:08] <helf> other than banking/medical info.. whats the point?[21:30:12] <ddew|bofh> i have nothing to hide, well there are things i've said or done that i'm insanely proud of but it's not like it's a matter of "oh noes, the world is ending!!!!1""! "[21:30:20] <helf> i can understand big corporations and governments and such.. but not joe blow[21:30:22] <pyCube> helf: radness[21:30:22] <ddew|bofh> *i'm not insanely[21:30:26] *** aguent has quit IRC[21:31:02] <plfiorini> mmmmmmmmmmmmmm[21:38:01] * JonathanThompson pops ddew|bofh's thought-bubble[21:39:31] <ddew|bofh> yo[21:47:26] *** scanty has joined #haiku[21:47:37] *** thotypous has quit IRC[21:47:47] <scanty> is STL in gcc 2.95 in haiku completely broken?[21:47:55] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[21:48:14] <pyCube> hi scanty[21:48:24] <scanty> hey pyCube[21:48:26] <scanty> what's going on?[21:49:02] <pyCube> nothing much.. enjoying what remains of my week off[21:49:15] <scanty> cool[21:49:20] <scanty> i've been dorking around with CSS all week[21:49:25] <scanty> pretty neat stuff[21:49:36] <scanty> taking a break and doing some C++ stuff now.[21:49:40] <DeadYak> scanty: STL should be fine, why?[21:50:38] <scanty> DeadYak, I can't build anything using STL... gcc is even complaining that ifstream is missing.[21:50:56] <DeadYak> scanty: linker or compiler?[21:51:19] *** atomozero has joined #haiku[21:51:30] <scanty> actually I'm getting mostly errors like "parse error before ::[21:51:34] <scanty> compiler..[21:51:59] <DeadYak> this is haiku's toolchain right? not the r5 devtools[21:52:07] <scanty> yeah it's haiku[21:52:13] <DeadYak> mm[21:52:15] <DeadYak> can I see the code?[21:52:49] <scanty> yeah, i'll have to pastebin it.... one sec.[21:52:53] <DeadYak> k[21:54:03] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[21:55:32] <scanty> http://pretendo.pastebin.com/m7a1b537f[21:55:56] <scanty> I can put the errors up too, if you wish[21:56:04] <DeadYak> that'd actually be helpful[21:56:12] <scanty> sec[21:56:28] <helf> omg[21:56:29] <helf> its scanty[21:56:35] * JonathanThompson blows scanty's stack to see what sort of error message he lobs in response[21:57:55] <scanty> http://pretendo.pastebin.com/m70af818e[21:58:15] <scanty> hi helf, JonathanThompson[21:58:41] <scanty> oops i think i double-pasted, but you shold get the idea[21:59:04] *** DHowett has left #haiku[21:59:38] <DeadYak> I wonder if ios_base was added/changed in gcc4...[21:59:44] <DeadYak> can't get to my box to try building that right now :/[22:00:05] <scanty> all this code builds fine in gcc4[22:00:16] <DeadYak> yeah, that's why I'm wondering[22:00:35] <scanty> gcc3, also.[22:02:48] <DeadYak> yeah, looks like gcc2's STL didn't have ios_base[22:03:14] <scanty> grr[22:03:14] <DeadYak> which is probably confusing the rest of it[22:03:25] <DeadYak> at least I'm not finding it looking through haiku's cpp headers[22:03:33] <scanty> i guess i have to use stlport then[22:03:52] <scanty> if that will even build.[22:06:52] <geist> i betcha 2.95 stl is completely busted by today's standards[22:07:04] <geist> heck, it even existed before the last rev of c++, right?[22:07:07] <scanty> i'd go farther than bet :)[22:09:08] * tqh is thinking of going in to bookmaking[22:09:28] <pyCube> making paper is fun[22:09:46] <scanty> i'll see if i can't build stlport later on[22:09:52] <scanty> don't have patience now to fight with it.[22:10:17] <DeadYak> some of the busted aspects of it are 2.95 itself[22:10:25] <DeadYak> particularly horrible handling of namespaces[22:11:17] <geist> yeah that was a big issue[22:11:27] <geist> if not *the* issue of moving to gcc3[22:11:44] <geist> since the name mangling changed dealing with namespaces between the versions[22:12:24] *** petterhj has quit IRC[22:13:39] *** leszek has quit IRC[22:16:56] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[22:17:02] <Anarchos> who is using im-kit ?[22:19:41] *** scanty has quit IRC[22:24:37] *** Euver has joined #haiku[22:25:30] <DeadYak> let me guess, trouble logging into MSN?[22:26:52] <Anarchos> DeadYak no but i don't know how to add contacts except by adding attributes in quickres ...[22:27:23] <DeadYak> I think there was an add-on for that...been too long[22:31:00] <Anarchos> ok i will continue adding then with quickres[22:31:10] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[22:46:26] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[22:49:58] <plfiorini> http://mikeos.berlios.de/[22:50:12] <plfiorini> the operating system for the future of computing![22:50:57] * plfiorini wondering if it boots on a 64bit computer[22:53:34] *** petterhj- has quit IRC[22:53:50] <AndrevS> It should. 64 bit computers still boot up in real mode[22:54:09] <AndrevS> 'cept for apples maybe[22:55:36] *** Hoern has quit IRC[23:01:35] *** Euver has quit IRC[23:02:38] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[23:04:04] *** Hoern has joined #Haiku[23:06:58] *** thotypous has quit IRC[23:10:06] *** shiroginne1 has joined #haiku[23:15:33] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:18:08] *** Megaf has joined #Haiku[23:22:09] *** karlvd has quit IRC[23:27:32] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[23:27:53] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[23:27:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[23:28:00] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[23:28:31] *** shiroginne1 has quit IRC[23:34:30] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[23:35:29] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[23:36:19] <CIA-5> axeld * r28224 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ (6 files): (log message trimmed)[23:36:19] <CIA-5> * Reworked EventDispatcher::SendFakeMouseMoved() after an idea by Stephan[23:36:19] <CIA-5> that solves most app_server locking headaches: it now works asynchronously,[23:36:19] <CIA-5> and therefore doesn't need to lock the EventDispatcher anymore.[23:36:19] <CIA-5> * EventStreams now allow to inject messages into the stream to allow the above[23:36:22] <CIA-5> functionality.[23:36:24] <CIA-5> * InputServerStream::GetNextEvent() no longer returns when there is no event.[23:43:12] *** ddew|bofh has quit IRC[23:46:27] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[23:46:35] * plfiorini tyring flashnul[23:47:00] <plfiorini> dd punished me, tried a full image which was 2.1GB instead of 2.0GB[23:47:19] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[23:48:14] <dr_evil> dd never fails. user error?[23:48:19] <plfiorini> yeah[23:48:41] <plfiorini> anyway UserBuildConfig stated HAIKU_IMAGE_SIZE = 2048[23:49:10] <plfiorini> dd is too slow to try with a 512MB image[23:49:11] <dr_evil> you know the GiB <> GB difference?[23:49:17] <dr_evil> dd is very fast[23:49:35] <plfiorini> not if you use the usb key from virtual box ;-)([23:49:54] <dr_evil> user error? try bs=32k[23:50:10] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:50:19] <plfiorini> the problem is the size, the image doesn't fit[23:50:37] <mmu_man> dr_evil yes GiB is a wannabe-standard from ppl who know nothing of the quantity they want to measure[23:51:00] <mmu_man> could be an ABBA song[23:51:12] <mmu_man> GiB GiB GiB a byte after midnight...[23:51:34] <dr_evil> 2GB USB is probably just barely 2000000000 byte[23:51:53] <mmu_man> maybe not even[23:52:05] <dr_evil> 2GB = 2185232384[23:52:07] <mmu_man> if the US GB follows the US$[23:52:41] <dr_evil> USB stick useses some sectors for internal purposes, you never get the full 2GB space[23:53:04] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku