October 16, 2008 
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October 16, 2008 [00:01:52] *** nutela has quit IRC[00:04:09] *** korli_ has quit IRC[00:04:29] *** Korli has quit IRC[00:15:36] <mmu_man> arf, should work much better if I take data start into account when converting clusters to blocks[00:17:52] <dr_evil> lol[00:18:28] <dr_evil> night anyway. won't make it tomorrow or friday to join you guys, I'm sorry.[00:18:39] <mmu_man> why can't they just have obvious mappings ?[00:18:45] <mmu_man> ok, should work now[00:19:09] <dr_evil> obnoxious ;)[00:19:12] <mmu_man> FASFS::Directory::GetNextEntry: checking 'BEOS . ', 10[00:19:16] <mmu_man> much better[00:19:44] <dr_evil> grettings to the others mmu_man[00:19:51] <dr_evil> greetings[00:21:01] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[00:22:18] *** oco has quit IRC[00:24:50] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[00:39:10] *** oco has joined #haiku[00:41:16] *** paul0 has quit IRC[00:45:13] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[00:49:17] *** Kernel86 has joined #Haiku[00:50:50] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[00:50:52] *** oco has quit IRC[01:00:46] <mmu_man> hmm allocating a cluster table for 300MB seems a bit large for the bootloader...[01:13:41] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[01:14:46] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[01:15:13] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[01:16:59] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[01:16:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[01:18:31] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[01:25:28] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[01:29:23] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[01:42:41] <CIA-5> mmlr * r28154 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs):[01:42:41] <CIA-5> bonefish + mmlr:[01:42:41] <CIA-5> * Add possibility to restart a complete pipe through B_KDEBUG_RESTART_PIPE.[01:42:41] <CIA-5> * Implement tail in the kernel debugger making use of the former.[01:48:32] <CIA-5> mmlr * r28155 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/arch/x86/arch_debug_console.c:[01:48:32] <CIA-5> bonefish + mmlr:[01:48:32] <CIA-5> Don't use the spinlock in arch_debug_serial_puts if we're inside the kernel[01:48:32] <CIA-5> debugger. This fixes a tripplefault when faulting with said spinlock held[01:48:32] <CIA-5> (due to a NULL string argument for example).[01:51:50] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[01:51:53] *** nvmd has joined #haiku[01:52:05] *** nvmd has left #haiku[01:53:13] <CIA-5> mmu_man * r28156 /haiku/trunk/ (18 files in 5 dirs): Add FAT32 support. This allows the bootloader to find a BFS image file (currently named BEOS\IMAGE.BE) and start booting for it, until the kernel tries to mount the boot partition.[01:53:55] <mmu_man> \o/[01:55:22] <geist> ahh, you're carrying on the IMAGE.BE hack[01:55:37] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[01:56:01] <mmu_man> yeah[01:56:16] <mmu_man> with an ISO fs it would even work on CDs[01:56:34] <geist> yah[02:05:49] <CIA-5> mmu_man * r28157 /haiku/trunk/src/system/boot/loader/file_systems/fat/ (Directory.cpp File.cpp Stream.cpp Volume.cpp): Turn off debug output.[02:06:04] *** Matias has joined #haiku[02:06:23] *** thotypous has quit IRC[02:06:25] *** Matias is now known as thotypous[02:06:27] <mmu_man> zzz[02:06:37] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:07:32] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[02:34:46] *** thotypous has quit IRC[02:41:36] *** umccullough_w has joined #haiku[02:41:47] *** be-bop has joined #haiku[02:49:44] *** umccullough_w has quit IRC[02:51:39] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[02:51:52] *** pyCube_ has quit IRC[02:52:40] *** TheNerd_ has joined #haiku[02:52:50] *** TheNerd_ has quit IRC[02:56:26] <be-bop> has anyone looked into what it would take to support booting from efi?[02:57:49] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[02:58:59] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[03:00:31] *** adb has quit IRC[03:03:52] *** miqlas has quit IRC[03:16:51] *** acidx has quit IRC[03:18:55] *** pyCube has quit IRC[03:19:14] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[03:26:47] *** pyCube has quit IRC[03:26:57] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[03:34:20] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[03:37:37] *** mats has quit IRC[03:38:59] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[03:39:14] *** vbmithr has quit IRC[03:40:52] <CIA-5> aldeck * r28158 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/tracker/PoseView.cpp:[03:40:52] <CIA-5> * In single window navigation, tracker wasn't restoring the view origin (current scrolling) properly. It was reseting the origin even after[03:40:52] <CIA-5> successfully loading the saved state. Reworked the logic to make that work properly (this also needed checking if the state read succeeded). This[03:40:52] <CIA-5> fixes part of #2441. There is still an issue when sometimes the view state is not saved properly, more tomorrow![03:42:31] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:45:20] *** aldeck has quit IRC[03:49:54] *** bwilliams__ has joined #haiku[03:50:47] *** bryguy[lap] has quit IRC[03:59:09] *** hdanak has quit IRC[04:03:12] *** pyCube has quit IRC[04:10:52] <DeadYak> be-bop: not yet afaik[04:19:19] * JonathanThompson bops DeadYak[04:19:47] * DeadYak pets JonathanThompson[04:20:00] * JonathanThompson purrs in spaghetti code[04:20:17] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[04:30:44] <pyCube> umm.. wtf? troops to teachers?[04:30:53] <DeadYak> huh?[04:31:44] <pyCube> McCain was talking about education in the debate.. talked ab out a program where soldiers returning form iraq/afganistan can become teachers without all the hassle of college and certifications and such[04:32:04] <pyCube> ..as a way to improve the public educatoin system..[04:32:07] <DeadYak> .... o.0?[04:32:12] <DeadYak> what qualifies them as teachers?[04:32:44] <pyCube> i am guessing their "bravery and service to the country" or some such BS[04:33:13] <Rakhun> "they've been in war, they can handle school violence"[04:33:41] <pyCube> i guess teaching middle eastern kids how to shit their pants in fear is something..[04:34:11] <pyCube> seriously though.. is it me, or does that plan sound unbelievably insane?[04:34:57] <Rakhun> sounds insane to me[04:36:50] <pyCube> ok.. well it seems the real troops to teachers program isnt insane like mccain said.. it helps them get schooling/certs..[04:37:03] <pyCube> what he said in the debate was f'ing scarey[04:38:26] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[04:38:58] <AlienSoldier> anyone ever got the spdif cmedia driver to work in beosR5?[04:40:27] <AlienSoldier> i don't even know what it ouput, future plan say pcm[05:05:05] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[05:06:44] *** be-bop has left #haiku[05:08:46] <AlexForster> "I'm voting for Senator Government!" - dailykos, hah[05:31:30] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[05:37:50] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[06:14:12] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[06:25:17] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[06:46:37] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[07:22:19] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[07:28:33] *** pyCube_ has joined #haiku[07:28:33] *** pyCube has quit IRC[07:29:16] *** PathagenX has joined #haiku[07:29:28] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[07:35:54] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[07:37:26] *** M199 has joined #haiku[07:41:23] *** Master199 has quit IRC[07:41:23] *** M199 is now known as Master199[07:51:51] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[07:52:02] <DHowett> src/system/boot/loader/file_systems/fat/Directory.cpp:268: error: default argument given for parameter 3 of 'status_t FATFS::Directory::GetNextEntry(void*, uint8, uint8)'[07:52:03] <DHowett> src/system/boot/loader/file_systems/fat/Directory.h:42: error: after previous specification in 'status_t FATFS::Directory::GetNextEntry(void*, uint8, uint8)'[07:52:04] <DHowett> :([07:55:12] * JonathanThompson purrs at DHowett in spaghetti code[07:55:32] <pyCube_> i prefer lasagne code[07:55:59] <DHowett> pyCube_: Written in thick delicious sheets? :P[07:56:06] * DHowett eats said spaghetti code.[07:56:18] <pyCube_> ..basically structued, but not so worried about a little slop here and there[07:56:29] <JonathanThompson> More lines in spaghetti code, but a different sauce ;)[07:57:32] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[07:59:36] <pyCube_> so i took my kid to the exploratorium in sf today[07:59:40] <pyCube_> kids[08:02:02] <pyCube_> that was fun[08:02:10] <DHowett> :)[08:02:50] <pyCube_> they got to see bugs eating a dead mouse and dead turtle[08:04:14] <DHowett> o_o[08:06:24] <JonathanThompson> Were they coding bugs? :)[08:07:24] * JonathanThompson ponders that if an ant colony was computer code, it'd be very buggy[08:07:47] <pyCube_> ...yet amazingly succesful[08:07:51] <pyCube_> s[08:08:23] <pyCube_> if all the bugs work together, is it buggy?[08:08:31] <JonathanThompson> A system of bugs![08:08:38] <JonathanThompson> (Instead of a buggy system)[08:08:45] <pyCube_> Bug Complete Machine[08:09:02] <JonathanThompson> How many operations does something need to be Bug Complete?[08:09:47] <pyCube_> none[08:10:05] <JonathanThompson> Unless it's the NULL program, it'd need at least one operation...[08:10:20] <pyCube_> it doesnt work[08:10:23] <JonathanThompson> Otherwise, it's just a cipher you call a program if the code is NULL.[08:14:37] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[08:16:18] *** mib_ku6sem has joined #haiku[08:16:28] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[08:18:00] *** mib_ku6sem has quit IRC[08:45:00] *** ddew|bofh has joined #haiku[08:45:04] <ddew|bofh> g'morning[08:47:02] * JonathanThompson greets ddew|bofh with a bowl of purple spaghetti[08:47:19] <JonathanThompson> Noodles for the artist formerly known as Prince![08:47:55] * JonathanThompson wonders if cannibals have a different concept of the common thing (at least when/where he grew up) of "Prince Spaghetti Day"[08:48:32] <JonathanThompson> Invite a pop artist over to play the dinner roll ;)[08:49:07] <JonathanThompson> (Hopefully, they're Fine Young Cannibals)[08:49:52] *** Qu4Z has joined #haiku[08:51:24] <ddew|bofh> *groan* :)[08:52:38] <JonathanThompson> I know: I'm incorrigible.... but probably edible ;)[08:52:47] <JonathanThompson> (Not sure if I'm in good taste, however)[08:53:12] * ddew|bofh is in a good mood[08:53:16] <JonathanThompson> My mind is like New York, New York...[08:53:25] <ddew|bofh> Chinese Democracy has finally gotten a release date[08:53:27] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[08:53:39] <JonathanThompson> It may be doing half a million things at a quarter to 3 a.m. ;)[08:54:13] <JonathanThompson> The traffic snarls cause problems, sometimes, with not enough taxi cabs for all the impulses.[08:54:39] <ddew|bofh> *pfft* like that's a problem[08:55:01] <ddew|bofh> my mind's been under 110% load for the past 6 years without any issues[08:55:09] <JonathanThompson> ...[08:55:35] <JonathanThompson> You're still a young pup ;)[08:56:04] <ddew|bofh> young pup, sure. but i've lived more in my few years than most do in a lifetime :)[08:56:10] * JonathanThompson throws ddew|bofh a bone[08:56:20] <ddew|bofh> *grrr*[08:56:22] <JonathanThompson> Or, in here, a BONE.[08:56:23] <ddew|bofh> :P[08:56:33] * ddew|bofh facepalms[08:56:44] <JonathanThompson> Palm Access's ;)[08:57:30] <JonathanThompson> In the feature/bug continuum, there's features, there's bugs, and then there's featured bugs ;)[08:57:51] <ddew|bofh> this is a pretty weird feeling, an album that's been in production for 17 years and is the worlds most expensive album to date is finally being released[08:58:13] <JonathanThompson> ?[08:58:22] <ddew|bofh> chinese democracy[08:58:34] <ddew|bofh> it's being released 24/11[08:58:41] <JonathanThompson> Seems like an oxymoron.[08:58:49] <ddew|bofh> the title?[08:58:58] <JonathanThompson> The concept that the title is.[08:59:08] <ddew|bofh> yeah, that's kind of the point[08:59:36] <JonathanThompson> Then again, it appears if Obama gets elected, the US may become more socialist.[08:59:49] <ddew|bofh> like that's a bad thing[08:59:49] <JonathanThompson> Though with these huge bailouts, that's already a pretty far leaning.[09:00:15] <JonathanThompson> Depends on how far it goes.[09:00:48] <JonathanThompson> Sadly, I can see that the financial markets need a bit of regulation that includes sane requirements.[09:01:09] <JonathanThompson> Too many people have too many ways to screw up the works if they're not kept in check.[09:01:23] <ddew|bofh> indeed[09:01:39] <JonathanThompson> Though, oddly enough, a lot of the mortgage mess was created by the government in the first place with the mandate that more people need to be allowed to buy houses.[09:02:28] <ddew|bofh> giving loans to people who can't afford it economical suicide[09:02:41] <JonathanThompson> And that's what's largely happened.[09:02:45] <ddew|bofh> it ranks pretty high as far as bad ideas go[09:03:04] <JonathanThompson> Combined with people getting too fancy on the parceling of investments and relabeling things.[09:04:05] <ddew|bofh> greed is a poweful thing[09:04:07] <JonathanThompson> If I have a proper understanding of how derivatives and such debt instruments all work together, I honestly wouldn't be surprised in the least if there are some number of items that are counted more than once in the same investment/loan/whatever.[09:04:40] <JonathanThompson> Because things are as complex as they are, I bet people lost track of things enough times by accident, or purposely did a bit of BS, and that's a result.[09:05:04] <JonathanThompson> It'd be interesting to see a graph of how it all fits together.[09:05:35] <ddew|bofh> i'd much rather see some accountability[09:05:49] <JonathanThompson> I remain wholly unconvinced that the "solution" won't cause more problems than letting the market self-correct.[09:06:07] <JonathanThompson> And the accountability issue is a big part of the problem with the so-called bailouts.[09:07:04] <ddew|bofh> the problem with self-correction is that it would create massive unemployement and tons of people going bankrupt[09:07:35] <JonathanThompson> I don't think that's going to be avoided anyway, and in the process, there's going to be a lot of major inflation and long-term national debt besides that could be avoided.[09:08:14] <ddew|bofh> long term national debt? that's been a problem for years[09:08:16] <JonathanThompson> And fact of the matter is that a lot of the people that'd go bankrupt (but not all of them, sadly: there'd be collateral damage of those doing the right things) are those that need to fall to learn, as they've been the ones that pushed the limits.[09:08:41] <ddew|bofh> the collateral fallout would be insane[09:08:45] <JonathanThompson> True, it's not been a good thing, but this package alone appears to increase it by about 10% in one single act.[09:09:06] <ddew|bofh> when a company goes tits up not only is the guy running it getting shanked but also his employees[09:09:08] <JonathanThompson> Here's the thing: I think the so-called bailout will only prolong the damage.[09:09:32] <JonathanThompson> There's no way to win, but I think it'll create more loss longer term.[09:09:34] <ddew|bofh> prolong but possibly lessen the blow[09:10:42] <JonathanThompson> But it isn't guaranteed to lessen the blow, either, while it is guaranteed to be expensive for all those that were doing the right thing, and are now being penalized for it.[09:11:24] <JonathanThompson> My understanding of how things work in the real world is with the bailout, those that were minding their things correctly get doubly-damned.[09:11:29] <ddew|bofh> there are never any guarantees, but it's worth a shot instead of just sitting idly by and seeing everything blow up[09:12:23] <JonathanThompson> I wouldn't be the least surprised to see this year's election vote out an unusually large number of incumbents.[09:12:45] <ddew|bofh> only time will tell[09:13:11] <DHowett> That reminds me that I still need to register to vote in my home state. :P[09:13:31] <JonathanThompson> I didn't know the State of Confusion had voting booths ;)[09:13:41] <JonathanThompson> (Probably take too long for voters to make up their minds! )[09:13:43] <DHowett> Ah, but we do, and all the options are "Maybe"[09:13:44] <DHowett> ;)[09:14:52] <JonathanThompson> It seems this year, the state of Washington is looking at a 3+ billion deficit/budget shortfall, King County is like $93 million short, and then there's the national/world thing.[09:14:58] <JonathanThompson> All hosed at the same time.[09:15:50] <JonathanThompson> And of course, the crazy thing is if you check out all the road and bridge infrastructure in the US, there's no end of possible valuable work available to do.[09:16:10] <JonathanThompson> Also that of dams: many are past due to burst open.[09:17:36] <JonathanThompson> I think it'd be a good thing if the US stopped spending money on foreign aid, various off-nation military operations that weren't purely defensive, and just limited itself to trading for a decade, while focusing on paying down our own needs.[09:18:08] <JonathanThompson> I get the impression that the world's opinion would improve in regards to the US if we did that, too.[09:18:16] <JonathanThompson> (But I may be wrong there)[09:20:17] <DHowett> Thompson 'o8.[09:20:24] <JonathanThompson> :P[09:20:40] <JonathanThompson> A bit late for me to get into the race.[09:20:47] <DHowett> hehe[09:20:53] <DHowett> A bit late and If i'm right a bit early, too.[09:20:58] <JonathanThompson> And... I don't think I'd be able to compete for raising money ;)[09:21:07] <JonathanThompson> For the next election?[09:21:14] <DHowett> nah[09:21:32] <DHowett> I'm not sure why, but you strike me as 28. Maybe because it's been said before. I'm not sure.[09:21:54] <JonathanThompson> You're off by quite a bit: I'm legally old enough to be president ;)[09:21:59] <DHowett> ah, wow[09:22:41] <JonathanThompson> I'm not quite to the current limit for joining the armed forces, since they've been raising the age to get more people.[09:22:59] <JonathanThompson> But, I have at least one unwaiverable medical issue that'd get me disqualified.[09:23:29] <JonathanThompson> All that, despite being able to outdistance/speed probably a lot of teenagers of age that might join.[09:23:33] <DHowett> 34-42. My second guess was in that range ;)[09:23:35] <DHowett> ah, hmm..[09:23:49] <JonathanThompson> 37[09:24:01] <DHowett> My second guess was my first plus ten, so 38. Not bad for a second try ;)[09:24:20] <JonathanThompson> I just seem to be caught in a timewarp ;)[09:24:28] <DHowett> hehe[09:24:33] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps that's why you thought I was younger? :)[09:24:54] <DHowett> "I know you're 28 as sure as my name's Doug."[09:24:58] <DHowett> quite possible ;)[09:25:04] <JonathanThompson> :P[09:25:22] <JonathanThompson> I told you before I'm horrible with keeping names and faces correct, didn't I? :D[09:25:32] <DHowett> I do believeth so.[09:28:17] <JonathanThompson> Well, regardless of whether McCain or Obama wins, it'll be historic for the US.[09:28:42] * JonathanThompson wonders if McCain wins, if Palin's husband becomes "The Second Man"[09:28:46] <DHowett> haha ;)[09:29:28] <JonathanThompson> I'm not certain either candidate has sane economic plans, though.[09:29:53] <JonathanThompson> I'm thinking it'll be another case of trying to vote for the lesser of two evils again.[09:30:22] <JonathanThompson> Michael Jackson's "Bad" to Weird Al's "Even Worse"[09:32:19] <JonathanThompson> Getting the job of US president is a weird one....[09:32:44] <JonathanThompson> The interview process invariably costs more than the financial rewards you'll get from the yearly salary and all the retirement benefits...[09:33:06] <JonathanThompson> And yet, in most cases, that's money others have paid towards your "interview" that you don't need to pay back.[09:33:22] <JonathanThompson> But there always seems to be strings attached to that money.[09:33:32] *** DHowett has left #haiku[09:33:35] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[09:34:29] *** AndrevS has quit IRC[09:44:53] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[09:50:36] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[09:50:36] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[09:55:10] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[10:11:00] *** Qu4Z has quit IRC[10:11:31] *** Qu4Z has joined #haiku[10:11:40] *** DHowett has left #haiku[10:20:54] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[10:35:07] *** vbmithr has joined #haiku[10:50:36] <anarchos> can i build haiku on osx?[10:56:17] <ddew|bofh> yes[10:59:47] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[11:02:26] <HeTo> anarchos: you need a case-sensitive file system for that, though[11:11:16] <ddew|bofh> for which an image you create in disk utility works great[11:11:23] <ddew|bofh> meaning you don't have to reinstall os x[11:18:51] <CIA-5> stippi * r28159 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/filetypes/IconView.cpp:[11:18:51] <CIA-5> * Do not delete the private data of the BMessage! This fixes a crash when[11:18:51] <CIA-5> dragging and dropping icons from one FileTypes window to another (in case[11:18:51] <CIA-5> the dragged icon was a vector icon).[11:18:51] <CIA-5> * Checked the other similar places, but all seems fine. Added a comment in[11:18:51] <CIA-5> one place why no data is leaked, although it may seem to at first sight.[11:19:50] *** matjako has joined #haiku[11:20:11] *** matjako has quit IRC[11:22:06] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[11:25:03] *** PathagenX has quit IRC[11:27:28] <ddew|bofh> hmm, this is annoying. turns out you can't infact run anything on the macbook pro without having os x on it[11:29:15] <CIA-5> jackburton * r28160 /haiku/trunk/src/system/boot/loader/file_systems/fat/Directory.cpp: Fix build for gcc4[11:35:54] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[11:38:55] <mmu_man> ah thx[11:45:39] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[11:50:14] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[11:52:15] <CIA-5> jackburton * r28161 /haiku/trunk/src/system/boot/loader/file_systems/fat/CachedBlock.cpp: Fix build for gcc4. If you really want to inline these methods, they need to be implemented in the header[11:59:40] <CIA-5> axeld * r28162 /haiku/trunk/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs):[11:59:40] <CIA-5> * Fixed the incorrect ASSERT that possibly dropped you into KDL while deleting[11:59:40] <CIA-5> something (as reported by Marcus and Bruno on the mailing list).[11:59:40] <CIA-5> * AllocationGroup::Allocate() would always invalidate the largest block if[11:59:40] <CIA-5> it did not cover the largest part of the group; now it only invalidates it[11:59:41] <CIA-5> if it has been cut before.[11:59:44] <CIA-5> * Added small test app for the invalidation part.[12:01:12] <CIA-5> mmlr * r28163 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/acpi/Jamfile: The ACPI module isn't BeOS compatible anymore.[12:04:09] <CIA-5> mmlr * r28164 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/acpi/oshaiku.c:[12:04:09] <CIA-5> * Return an error code if installing the interrupt handler fails.[12:04:09] <CIA-5> * Add debug facilities.[12:04:49] <CIA-5> mmlr * r28165 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/acpi/acpi_busman.c: Fix comment.[12:05:05] <CIA-5> mmu_man * r28166 /haiku/trunk/src/system/boot/loader/file_systems/fat/ (CachedBlock.cpp CachedBlock.h):[12:05:05] <CIA-5> Inline Unset and SetTo correctly. I copied the class from BFS which only uses it in a single file...[12:05:05] <CIA-5> Thx for the gcc4 fixes.[12:11:08] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[12:21:10] *** witukind has joined #haiku[12:39:05] *** sprma has joined #haiku[12:46:24] *** Qu4Z has quit IRC[12:46:37] *** Qu4Z has joined #haiku[12:55:38] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[12:55:45] *** sprma has quit IRC[12:59:05] *** leszek_fh has joined #haiku[12:59:18] <leszek_fh> hi[13:37:44] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[13:57:04] *** andguent has joined #haiku[14:02:04] <CIA-5> mmlr * r28167 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/acpi/acpi_busman.c:[14:02:04] <CIA-5> * Fix warnings in busmanager code.[14:02:04] <CIA-5> * Check return of lock_memory() and get_memory_map(). They may fail and under[14:02:04] <CIA-5> Haiku they also return a usable value in that case.[14:07:42] *** leszek_fh has quit IRC[14:14:08] <CIA-5> axeld * r28168 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ServerWindow.cpp:[14:14:08] <CIA-5> * _Show() and _Hide() must now be called with having all windows locked[14:14:08] <CIA-5> (it would do that internally anyway).[14:14:08] <CIA-5> * AS_MINIMIZE no longer calls _Show() when being unminimized, but[14:14:08] <CIA-5> Desktop::ActivateWindow(), as this will also bring the window on the screen[14:14:08] <CIA-5> if it's on another workspace (according to its flags).[14:14:12] <CIA-5> * Whitespace cleanup.[14:14:21] *** leszek_fh has joined #haiku[14:19:37] *** johndrinkwater has quit IRC[14:53:09] *** leszek_fh has quit IRC[14:55:19] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[14:56:10] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[14:56:16] <CIA-5> stippi * r28169 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/bootman/bootman.rdef: Removed the solid white icons.[15:00:46] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[15:12:34] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[15:13:22] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[15:13:26] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[15:14:35] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[15:14:51] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[15:15:06] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[15:17:08] *** anarchos has quit IRC[15:18:22] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[15:19:10] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[15:21:53] *** sprma has joined #haiku[15:22:45] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[15:36:15] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/beos/shots/shot_beos_netsurf_replicated_001.png \o/[15:36:33] <ddew|bofh> heh, awesome[15:37:46] <mmu_man> hmm I have problems controlling[15:37:52] <mmu_man> seems thecontrols lost their target[15:38:00] <mmu_man> btu it didn't crash on deletion :)[15:38:25] *** cherrylap has joined #haiku[15:38:31] <ddew|bofh> it's a start :)[15:39:18] *** Stefan100 has joined #haiku[15:50:53] <CIA-5> zooey * r28170 /haiku/trunk/src/system/libroot/posix/time/strftime.c:[15:50:53] <CIA-5> * added skipping of '0'-modified supported by glibc (formats are padded[15:50:53] <CIA-5> with zeros anyway)[15:50:53] <CIA-5> this fixes creation of unique file names in Beam under haiku[15:51:59] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[15:54:30] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[16:05:40] <helf> anyone need any PC100 32/64mb SO-DIMM?[16:06:01] <helf> i have 5 sticks of it pulled from thinkpads[16:06:25] <ddew|bofh> wow, that's useful...or something :P[16:06:49] <helf> shaddup[16:06:53] <helf> :P[16:06:54] <ddew|bofh> hehe[16:07:27] <helf> you only need uber fast machines for real time hd video editing, heavy music editing, 3d graphics, watching movies... doing stuff fast[16:07:29] <helf> flash[16:07:31] <helf> ...[16:07:32] <helf> :P[16:07:45] <ddew|bofh> i'm actually in kind of a so-dimm dilemma here too. i have like 8 1GB sticks of ddr2 lying around and I just don't know what to do about them[16:08:12] <helf> i have two PC2-5300 512mb sticks[16:08:23] <helf> how the hell do you have 8 sticks?[16:08:47] <ddew|bofh> upgraded a bunch of machines from 1x1GB to 2x2GB[16:09:08] <ddew|bofh> hell, 5 of the sticks came from machines i've bought in the past 2 months[16:09:09] <helf> ill take them off your hands[16:09:25] <helf> i have no money to buy newm achines :)[16:09:32] <ddew|bofh> the shipping would cost more than actually buying them :)[16:09:41] <helf> heh[16:09:50] <ddew|bofh> 2GB ddr2 sodimms are like 30 bucks now[16:10:04] <ddew|bofh> that's no money at all when it comes to computer parts[16:10:21] <helf> yeah[16:10:38] <helf> i refuse to make do when i buy newer hardware.. thats why i never have anything[16:10:44] *** hdanak has quit IRC[16:10:48] <helf> to build a barebones system out of the parts I want would cost me 3.5k USD[16:10:50] <helf> :/[16:10:59] <ddew|bofh> i remember back in the day when i upgraded my imac lamp with a 1GB ddr sodim and it cost me like 250 bucks[16:11:34] <ddew|bofh> seriously? 3.5K?[16:11:38] <helf> yes[16:11:58] <helf> thats for just two of the 4 CPUs, motherboard, like 4gb ram, psu, case, one hdd[16:12:00] <helf> :/[16:12:16] <helf> actually, that might be for a single cpu[16:12:17] <ddew|bofh> yoinks, i built this quad with 8gb ram and a gtx 280, a homeserver with 2TB storage for less than 3K[16:12:23] <helf> yeah, well...[16:12:24] <helf> :P[16:12:43] <helf> the board i want supports quad quadcores, 32gb ram.. etc etc ;)[16:12:54] <ddew|bofh> if you want tons of computing power for rendering or something you might as well build yourself a cluster[16:13:01] <helf> why?[16:13:07] <ddew|bofh> way, way, way cheaper[16:13:13] <helf> less energy efficient[16:13:19] <ddew|bofh> kidding me?[16:13:22] <HeTo> helf: do you have any idea what modern processors can calculate?[16:13:31] <helf> yes[16:13:34] <helf> i know its pointless overkill[16:13:36] <HeTo> they are quite much faster than the 68k in your NeXT :-)[16:13:40] <helf> but its whati want. never said it is what i need[16:13:47] <HeTo> even if it were only one core[16:14:00] <helf> HeTo, ive had newer systems. we have newer systems at home. i dont own any newer ones at the moment. im well aware :P[16:14:10] <ddew|bofh> and once cuda rendering gets off the ground we're looking at raytracing at nearly realtime speed[16:14:16] <ddew|bofh> realtime if you run sli[16:14:37] <ddew|bofh> that's fast enough for me :)[16:15:03] <helf> my goal is to build a tower i can use for a very long time without really ever needing to upgrade anything :P[16:15:06] <ddew|bofh> doing renders at decent resolution no longer takes days[16:15:12] <helf> screw the whole upgrade every other year crap :)[16:15:33] <ddew|bofh> limiting yourself to an arch like that could prove fatal[16:15:50] <helf> you are talking to the person who still uses a 33mhz NeXT[16:15:53] <Monni> nowadays it's more like upgrade every 6 months or less :)[16:15:54] <helf> nothing will ever prove fatal to me :P[16:16:09] <helf> ill buy an atom system in a few months[16:16:20] <helf> im hoping intel will put out a desktop board with a less powr hungry chipset[16:16:23] <ddew|bofh> it's suck to see way more powerful processors pop up at at away lower price than you purchased your for :)[16:16:26] <helf> *power[16:16:27] <ddew|bofh> *it'll[16:16:57] * ddew|bofh has zero multitasking capabilities. typing while doing other stuff is a nogo :)[16:17:08] <helf> :P[16:17:09] <Monni> my dual 450 MHz Pentium III kicks ass in speed compared to few years younger box running at 1800 MHz ;)[16:17:27] <ddew|bofh> for browsing kiddieporn? sure[16:17:31] <helf> HeTo, right now im happy on my NeXT and a dual p3-600. i know I'd be happy on a $200 core2 macihne.. but... :P[16:17:40] <ddew|bofh> but for real usage raw mips rock[16:18:09] <Monni> nah... I compile stuff not surf net ;)[16:18:33] <helf> most of my computers have been oddball workstations or server based. i just cant bring myself to build a consumer grade machine[16:19:06] <ddew|bofh> doing a proper consumer grade build is way underrated[16:19:30] <helf> I'm really interested in the Atom boards, though. 20-30 watts max draw sounds really nice[16:19:48] <ddew|bofh> it all depends on usage i suppose[16:20:11] <ddew|bofh> if you want it as a mediacenter or similar it works really well if there are hardwware decoders[16:20:33] <ddew|bofh> my computer-usage requires more numbercrunching though[16:20:34] <helf> i want it for general computing[16:20:43] <helf> most of my computer usage doesnt :P[16:20:48] <helf> or if it does, i let it run over night[16:20:54] * helf apparently still does batch computing[16:20:58] <ddew|bofh> heh[16:21:00] * helf somehow isnt surprised[16:21:01] <ddew|bofh> timesharing :P[16:21:20] <ddew|bofh> counting cycles and scheduling jobs to run over night[16:21:26] <ddew|bofh> good old days[16:22:37] <helf> i do have a machine put together online thats only like $700[16:22:45] <helf> gigabyte board, ddr3, quadcore, etc...[16:22:50] <helf> would be OK, i guess[16:23:20] <helf> im waiting for nehalem to really contemplate buying anything, though[16:23:20] <ddew|bofh> i'll probably do a switch to ddr3 next year. atm the ram prices are still too high for my taste[16:23:31] <helf> DDR3 isnt that much at the moment[16:23:34] <helf> have you looked lately?[16:23:49] <ddew|bofh> well i'm not going to downgrade from 8GB[16:23:54] <helf> ah[16:24:06] <helf> i chose 4gb of ddr3-1600 and it was going to be like 160usd[16:24:10] <helf> i believe[16:25:02] <ddew|bofh> yeah, it's not incredibly expensive anymore but it's still a lot[16:26:01] <helf> oh, no[16:26:04] <helf> it was an ASRock board[16:26:27] <helf> i forgot it was a microatx system i was piecing together[16:28:10] <helf> BD sata burner, microatx asrock board, lian case, quadcore core2, gskill ddr3-1333, 150gb velociraptor sata drive, 1tb sata drive, silverstone 750watt psu.. $1200usd[16:28:13] <helf> not badi guess[16:28:39] <helf> the case is a cube. which is cool :P[16:28:40] <ddew|bofh> i'd be nervous about the asrock board[16:28:51] <ddew|bofh> i'd recommend using a gigabyte board instead[16:28:53] <helf> it had a bunch of good review[16:28:57] <helf> *reviews[16:29:07] <ddew|bofh> gigabyte's are very well priced and freakishly great[16:29:15] <helf> yeah, ive used them before without issue[16:29:23] <helf> id want to redo this list anyways[16:29:26] <helf> its over a month old[16:29:49] <ddew|bofh> you're better off doing the list when you have cash in hand :)[16:29:56] <ddew|bofh> things change overnight[16:30:30] <helf> i know[16:30:30] <helf> :)[16:30:33] <helf> that problem is[16:30:37] <helf> ill never have cash in hand :P[16:31:06] <ddew|bofh> ah, you're going the american route. buying stuff with money you don't have :)[16:31:12] <helf> no[16:31:17] <helf> just never buying anything :"P[16:31:24] <ddew|bofh> heh[16:32:58] <helf> im waiting on my new FAFSA PIN so i can finish my financial aid crap for school[16:33:03] <helf> :/[16:33:33] <ddew|bofh> *groan* i hate financing studies[16:33:45] <helf> i dont have any other way to go if i dont[16:33:49] <helf> well[16:33:59] <helf> i could pay my own way. but id have to take one class at a time or something[16:34:00] <ddew|bofh> i'm pondering getting a mechanical engineering degree but by the looks of it i won't be able to afford it[16:34:02] <helf> that'd take FOREVER[16:34:27] <helf> and since im not looking forward to college, i want to get it over with as fast as possible[16:34:31] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[16:34:46] <thebolt> helf: hehe, i love studying (or at least being a student ;-)[16:35:07] <helf> i like studying and learning.. myself.. :P[16:35:11] <helf> i hate sitting in classes[16:35:29] <ddew|bofh> going to uni is fun and all but there's no way i'll be able to hack 4 years of fulltime studying and working part-time[16:35:41] <helf> thats what ill be doing[16:35:42] <helf> :([16:36:25] <helf> or i might just get a gigantic school loan and go to school full time and not work[16:36:35] <helf> i have to go to school fulltime eitherway to get all the free money[16:38:04] * thebolt likes not having to pay for studies (directly, at the moment...)[16:38:32] <helf> graduation deferred payments? :)[16:38:46] <ddew|bofh> living at home? :P[16:39:01] <ddew|bofh> err i mean living with parents[16:39:39] <thebolt> well no.. rent & food i have to pay (and books)[16:39:45] <thebolt> but this year all of that is pretty cheap[16:40:09] <thebolt> but no tution fees or so.. (and also gets money from gov to cover some of the living expenses)[16:40:18] <thebolt> i'll pay it back later via taxes ;)[16:40:18] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[16:40:36] <helf> where do you live?[16:41:04] <ddew|bofh> sweden i presume?[16:41:19] <thebolt> Sweden normally (Taiwan right now.. but Swedish gov pays for my year here as part of the exchange program..)[16:42:02] <helf> all i get is grants from the goverment and other institutions and any other way i can scrounge up money. government doesnt pay for everything[16:43:09] <ddew|bofh> well atleast you're not socialist. because that's a bad thing...right?[16:43:23] <helf> :][16:43:25] <helf> it can be[16:43:26] <helf> :P[16:43:30] * thebolt is :P[16:43:38] <ddew|bofh> being liberated from having the government pay for education and so on[16:43:53] <thebolt> (and i have no problem paying taxes either, as long as it goes to what its supposed to go to.. )[16:44:02] <helf> heh[16:44:03] <ddew|bofh> i love taxes[16:44:07] <helf> i dont mind paying taxes at all[16:44:14] <ddew|bofh> without taxes i'd be seriously fucked[16:44:16] <helf> i dont understand people bitching about it here[16:44:31] <helf> ooo, damn, a whopping 23% of your income[16:44:41] <thebolt> ddew|bofh: gov. employee? ;)[16:44:44] <ddew|bofh> heh, we pay a 33% income tax[16:44:55] <helf> all the candidates ever spout is TAXCUTS FOR EVERYONE AND FREE CANDY!!![16:44:57] <helf> ...[16:45:11] <thebolt> ddew|bofh: in the lowest income bracket ;)[16:45:32] <Teknomancer> i pay almost 50% tax[16:45:35] <ddew|bofh> thebolt: no, but i had to spend some time in a hospital a few years back which would've cost me around a million USD if i paid for it myself[16:45:36] <helf> im a city employee :P so i get paid by people that live here[16:45:38] <Teknomancer> (.de)[16:45:44] <ddew|bofh> but thanks to taxes i paid 30 bucks :)[16:46:01] <helf> wtf did you manage to do to yourself that would cost near a million/;[16:46:02] <helf> ?[16:46:37] <ddew|bofh> having someone smashing your head in a couple of times appearantly is bad for you :P[16:46:51] <Teknomancer> hospitals are expensive everywhere[16:46:53] <helf> my granddad had triple bypass surgery on his heart, two new valves, and was in expensive hospital suits for like 3 months and then rehab for a few more and that wasnt more than ~200k, if that.[16:46:53] <Teknomancer> damn[16:46:55] <thebolt> ddew|bofh: ah, ok.. yea.. hm, 400SEK normal going-to-doctor fee i assume you had to pay? (which you pay for everything from getting a bruise fixed to spending two months in an intensive care unit ;)[16:47:00] <ddew|bofh> i've had more cat-scans and mris done to me than i care to remember[16:47:01] <helf> ddew|bofh, oh yeah. i forgot about that[16:47:11] <ddew|bofh> thebolt: indeed :)[16:47:18] <helf> ddew|bofh, that explains it :][16:47:26] <helf> MRIs are farking expensive[16:47:29] <ddew|bofh> yeah, healthcare isn't cheap[16:48:01] <helf> i only go to the doctor is its actually needed.[16:48:03] <ddew|bofh> might be a reason so many plugs are being pulled on comatose patients in the us :P[16:48:13] <helf> i havent been in a few years. last time was to get some prescription flu medas[16:48:15] <helf> *meds[16:48:33] <helf> i dont see the point in keeping someone alive by machine thats been out for several weeks[16:48:41] <Teknomancer> i had to go to the damn eye doctor as my eyes couldn't adjust to the .de dryness initially... took 3 weeks to become alright :([16:48:45] <ddew|bofh> i don't go to hospitals unless i think there's an actual threat to my life[16:48:46] <helf> even if they recover.. they wouldnt have if you didnt have them plugged up[16:48:47] <Teknomancer> but i hate going to the doctor.[16:49:41] <ddew|bofh> helf: i was out for several weeks and the doctors gave me less than 40% chance of recovery. and now i'm here, more brilliant than ever :)[16:50:11] <helf> ha[16:50:12] <helf> :P[16:50:24] <helf> did you have brainactivity?[16:50:36] <helf> im talking about people with little to no brainactivity for 2-3 weeks or more[16:50:59] <ddew|bofh> i didn't have enough brainactivity to keep my heart going.[16:51:12] <helf> ah. maybe im wrong then :)[16:51:17] <ddew|bofh> no brainactivity means braindeath, there's no coming back from that[16:51:43] <ddew|bofh> and if someone start bitching about souls and shit i'll kick their ass[16:51:47] <helf> people have come back from being declared braindead[16:51:51] <helf> hehe[16:51:53] <Teknomancer> HAHAHA[16:51:56] <helf> but it usually takes a long time[16:51:59] <helf> :P[16:52:05] <ddew|bofh> nope[16:52:07] <Teknomancer> yeah if you're braindead, it's kind of bad.[16:52:16] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[16:52:20] <Teknomancer> the nasty kind[16:52:21] <ddew|bofh> maybe they've been wrongly declared braindead but they haven't been braindead and recovered[16:52:32] <thebolt> yea[16:52:49] <thebolt> only reason to keep someone "alive" after being declared braindead is organ transplants[16:52:56] <ddew|bofh> indeed[16:53:12] <ddew|bofh> but that's stretching the definiotion of "alive"[16:53:17] <ddew|bofh> *definition[16:53:47] <helf> oo.. dont mention organ harvesting to some people[16:53:49] <Teknomancer> yeah,[16:53:51] <helf> they will go beserk[16:53:56] <helf> this is cool. http://www.bioedonline.org/news/news.cfm?art=2630[16:54:14] <ddew|bofh> donating organs is like the awesomest thing anyone can do[16:54:31] <helf> i have a book i found somewhere. its hilarious. they go on and on about "braindead" people, and how we are murdering them[16:54:50] *** johndrinkwater has joined #haiku[16:55:33] <ddew|bofh> helf: yeah, mcs is pretty harsh. they grade brain activity on a scale of 1 to 7 iirc. waking up from levels 1 and 2 is unusual[16:56:16] <helf> its like that big hullabaloo they had here a year or so ago over that braindead woman[16:56:34] <ddew|bofh> right, that piece of meat[16:56:38] <helf> when they FINALLY took her off life support. let her body turn off and then checked her out. she had like 5% of her brainmass still there[16:56:46] <helf> 5%! there is NO coming back from that[16:57:00] <ddew|bofh> it was a piece of meat with an artificial pulse[16:57:05] <helf> yeah[16:57:17] <helf> im pretty sure the family was just using her to make money[16:57:23] <helf> people are sick enough to do that[16:57:25] <ddew|bofh> it's like hooking up a t-bone to medical equipment and declaring it alive[16:57:28] <ddew|bofh> fuckers[16:57:37] <helf> heh[16:58:28] <DeadYak> helf: Terry Schiavo or whatever her name was?[16:59:06] <helf> yeah, it think[16:59:13] <helf> it was all overthe news for months[16:59:22] <ddew|bofh> even worse is keeping people alive even when there's no hope of any improvement or anything when there's a pretty big chance that they're in massive pain[16:59:34] <ddew|bofh> yeah, it was called Terry[17:01:48] <ddew|bofh> here's a typical example of cruelty for the sake of fame and fortune: http://www.wwtdd.com/photo.phtml?post_key=12551&photo_key=36111[17:02:23] <DeadYak> holy crap[17:02:53] <ddew|bofh> holy crap indeed, there's nothing left.[17:02:57] <helf> what is that?[17:03:22] <ddew|bofh> you know the story about Hulk Hogans son and the streetracing incident last year?[17:03:24] <DeadYak> on a completely different note, is it just me, or is "Shredder" not the wisest choice of codenames for a new beta of a mail client?[17:03:27] <ddew|bofh> that was the passenger[17:03:34] <ddew|bofh> haha[17:03:42] <DeadYak> ( = Thunderbird 3)[17:03:43] <helf> oh[17:03:47] <helf> that douche back nick hogan[17:03:52] <ddew|bofh> indeed[17:03:52] <Teknomancer> ddew|bofh: what happneed to Hogan's son?[17:04:00] <ddew|bofh> went to prison[17:04:16] <helf> hogans son drove his crappy car into a roll and almost killed his passenger[17:04:21] <helf> he was street racing[17:04:25] <ddew|bofh> "almost"?[17:04:35] <ddew|bofh> do you seriously consider someone without a brain alive?[17:04:49] <ddew|bofh> he got 8 months in jail, hogan[17:04:49] <helf> ok, killed his passenger[17:05:00] <helf> the little shit needs to go back[17:05:03] <Teknomancer> but his crappy son's not damaged?[17:05:10] <ddew|bofh> nope[17:05:13] <Teknomancer> lol[17:05:18] <ddew|bofh> well, not from the crash anyways[17:05:38] <helf> heh, he looks like an idiot in that pic in the article[17:05:39] <ddew|bofh> he's not sane[17:06:01] <helf> how much of his passengers brain had to be removed? looks like the entire frontal lobe area[17:06:32] <ddew|bofh> yeah, that's pretty much it[17:06:38] <thebolt> more than is healthy at least..[17:06:46] <ddew|bofh> and the frontal lobe is where the conciousness is located[17:07:03] <ddew|bofh> without it we're just pieces of meat[17:08:54] <helf> or zombies[17:09:20] <ddew|bofh> heh[17:09:39] <helf> isnt a lobotomy where they remove most or all of the frontal lobes? they live. just no emotion.. or much of anything else. heh[17:10:05] <ddew|bofh> the sever the connection between the frontal lobe and the rest of the brain[17:10:13] <CIA-5> axeld * r28171 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/bfs/ (BlockAllocator.cpp BlockAllocator.h):[17:10:13] <CIA-5> * Disabled the allocation group check again.[17:10:13] <CIA-5> * Fixed warnings.[17:10:16] <helf> ah[17:10:35] <ddew|bofh> usully by jamming a screwdriver up someone's nose and bashing it a few times[17:10:36] <helf> they should do that to violent offenders :P[17:10:48] <helf> and then put them to work in factories[17:10:50] <helf> free labor![17:11:43] <ddew|bofh> heh[17:13:44] <helf> Lobotomies were used in the 20th century to treat a wide range of severe mental illnesses, including schizophrenia, clinical depression, and various anxiety disorders, as well as people who were considered a nuisance by demonstrating behavior characterized as, for example, "moodiness" or "youthful defiance".[17:13:50] <helf> oh jeez, "youthful defiance"[17:14:24] <ddew|bofh> atleast it's better than a biblical approach[17:14:30] <helf> stone them?[17:14:31] <helf> :P[17:14:43] <DeadYak> yeah, they should all get stoned :P[17:14:49] <helf> :][17:14:52] <helf> i think they do anyways[17:15:10] <thebolt> lobotomy was pretty big thing in sweden in 1960s and 70s[17:15:18] <ddew|bofh> indeed[17:15:28] <ddew|bofh> that and sterilization[17:15:41] <helf> they need to practice more sterilization in china[17:18:57] <helf> http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/conditions/11/30/pdg.lobotomy/index.html[17:19:10] <helf> article with a little bit of input from a guy who had a lobotomy at age 12[17:19:28] <Teknomancer> his input can't be accurate :P[17:19:33] <helf> :P[17:19:37] <helf> he's over 50 now[17:19:42] <Teknomancer> all the more so[17:19:52] <helf> his name is dully. which might be appropriate[17:19:55] <Teknomancer> he's both senile and lobotomized[17:20:48] <Teknomancer> is lobotomy still big? or are there some more advanced techniques today that aren't so drastic?[17:21:05] <ddew|bofh> lobotomy isn't done any more[17:21:13] <helf> they use chemicals now[17:21:18] <Teknomancer> oh[17:21:25] <ddew|bofh> well, not in any great extent afaik. medications is the cure now[17:21:30] <helf> i cant imagine having part of my mind removed[17:21:35] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/beos/shots/shot_beos_netsurf_behappy_001.png \o/[17:21:38] <mmu_man> it's working ![17:21:44] <mmu_man> almost perfectly I might add[17:21:50] <Teknomancer> I know Superman lobotomized Doomsday[17:21:52] <ddew|bofh> they didn't remoive any parts of the brain, just severed some connections[17:21:59] *** helf has quit IRC[17:22:08] <mmu_man> (appart NetSurf not liking the pre-CSS BeBook, but maybe hubbub would fix it)[17:22:12] <Teknomancer> mmu_man: cool!![17:22:21] <ddew|bofh> nice work[17:22:43] *** helf has joined #haiku[17:22:50] <helf> thanks mmu_man[17:22:57] <mmu_man> for ?[17:22:58] <helf> clicking that make hydra AND firefox die :P[17:23:04] <ddew|bofh> haha[17:23:06] <ddew|bofh> you suck[17:23:07] <mmu_man> it's just a png[17:23:21] <helf> yeah, i haven o idea what happened :)[17:23:23] <mmu_man> oh you mean the new-url-kills-previous-instance ?[17:23:32] <helf> got memory access violation errors from both programs at the same time[17:23:33] <mmu_man> you have as old a moz as I have :)[17:24:09] <helf> im running 3.0 :P[17:24:12] <helf> ff[17:25:02] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:25:18] <mmu_man> ... beta software :D[17:27:29] <helf> noooo.. 3.1 is still beta :P[17:27:37] <helf> loaded fine this time[17:27:39] <helf> who knows.[17:27:59] <helf> crappy old p3 hardware and windows xp. :P[17:31:02] <ddew|bofh> cosmic rays :P[17:31:03] <CIA-5> stippi * r28172 /haiku/trunk/src/system/libroot/posix/string/strstr.c: (log message trimmed)[17:31:03] <CIA-5> When opening mails with slightly larger attachements in Beam, I noticed that[17:31:03] <CIA-5> it was quite sluggish. When opening larger mails, like a 1.14 MB mail for[17:31:03] <CIA-5> example, it could take almost half a minute until it was displayed. It turned[17:31:03] <CIA-5> out that the offending thread was in strstr().[17:31:04] <CIA-5> This is an implementation taken from Wikipedia (declared as public domain[17:31:06] <CIA-5> there), which makes the mails open instantly. This usecase may have represented[17:32:03] <helf> i used to use the BOFH online excuse generator at work[17:33:56] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[17:34:01] <helf> man, I'm all about these recessions. My fillups are now just $76[17:34:02] <helf> :)[17:34:12] <ddew|bofh> hehe[17:34:13] <DeadYak> 76? how big is your tank?[17:34:56] <helf> 27.4[17:34:59] <helf> gallons[17:35:05] <ddew|bofh> he drives a soccermom van :P[17:35:11] <helf> I was at $118 for awhile[17:35:13] <helf> nooo[17:35:19] <ddew|bofh> or hockey-mom :P[17:35:19] <helf> soccer mom vans have little 14g tanks[17:35:22] <helf> 20 if they are lucky[17:35:34] <helf> i have a midsized van[17:35:35] <helf> ass[17:35:35] <helf> :P[17:35:38] <ddew|bofh> well if you're a hockey mom from alaska you need the big tank :P[17:35:41] <helf> stop dissing ma wheels[17:35:44] <ddew|bofh> hehe[17:36:01] <helf> im a hockey mom that does mavericky things[17:36:04] <DeadYak> I'm down to around 35-38 for the golf[17:36:10] <helf> lucky[17:36:11] <DeadYak> dollars per fillup that is[17:36:22] <DeadYak> more like 30 for the yaris[17:36:32] <helf> well, oncei fill up, i usually jsut top off each week. and thats around 10 gallons a weak. sometimes less.[17:36:41] <helf> so my top offs will be $30-35 :) im so happy[17:36:46] <DeadYak> I'm talking filling up from fumes here :)[17:36:54] <helf> you suck[17:36:55] <helf> :P[17:36:57] <DeadYak> :P[17:37:11] <helf> yeah, wlel, you couldnt almsot comfortably live out of your golf[17:37:12] <helf> ;P[17:37:34] <helf> i really need to get my rabbit going or buy some small car for commuting[17:37:52] <helf> i could get by on $10/w if i had a tiny civic or such[17:38:08] <ddew|bofh> ewwww civic *hiss*[17:38:17] <helf> i was just using it as an example :P[17:38:23] <helf> ddew ; it has to be something i can afford[17:38:25] <helf> as in, 6k or less[17:38:27] <helf> :P[17:38:28] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[17:38:47] * thebolt|away jsut changed car.. apparently (same brand though..)[17:38:49] <ddew|bofh> beetles and golfs are cheap[17:39:22] <helf> beetles are too cramped for me. but i do like my golfs.[17:39:24] <ddew|bofh> you can easily find a mid mileage 2005 golf for less than 6K[17:39:48] <thebolt|away> my last car, a 1988 volvo 480 cost 5k.. SEK ;)[17:39:50] <helf> no you cant[17:39:50] <ddew|bofh> well, here you can[17:39:56] <helf> a 2005 for 6k?[17:39:58] <helf> HA HA HA[17:39:59] <helf> :P[17:40:07] <helf> maybe with te front fender missing[17:40:11] <helf> and 140k miles[17:40:20] <ddew|bofh> helf: nope, they're that cheap here in europe.[17:40:35] <ddew|bofh> i was looking at golfs before i settled on my smart[17:40:36] <DeadYak> ddew|bofh: not in the US lol[17:40:46] <DeadYak> ddew|bofh: a 2005 golf will probably be somewhere in the 10-15k range[17:40:49] <DeadYak> beetles even more so[17:40:49] <helf> yeah[17:40:50] <helf> easy[17:40:51] <ddew|bofh> ouch[17:41:09] <DeadYak> and in both cases generally leaning more towards the 15k side of it unless they have a ton of miles or like helf said...[17:41:21] <helf> I'm kinda liking the toyato iQ, though. they are planning on bringing it to the states next year with a Scion badge[17:41:44] <helf> now, 2000-2002 range, thats possible[17:41:47] <helf> but still rather high up[17:42:22] <helf> 03 GOLF TDI ONLY 81000 MILES CLEAN RUNS 100% 40 TO45MPG[17:42:23] <helf> Volkswagen : Golf[17:42:23] <helf> 03 GOLF TDI ONLY 81000 MILES CLEAN RUNS 100% 40 TO45MPG[17:42:23] <helf>[17:42:26] <helf> 2003 model year[17:42:28] <helf> $11.9[17:42:30] <helf> k[17:43:13] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[17:43:40] <ddew|bofh> i'm guessing cars are getting cheap here because of the wicked gas prices[17:43:54] <DeadYak> VWs have always been ridiculously marked up like that over here for some reason[17:44:12] <helf> yeah, vws are expensive[17:44:21] <ddew|bofh> but great cars :)[17:44:25] <helf> id rather have an older one[17:44:35] <ddew|bofh> it's in my top 3 of awesome car makes[17:44:35] <helf> in a lot of cases, better MPG and no computers to fail[17:44:37] <DeadYak> which is doubly ironic considering how many of 'em over here are made by the horrible quality brazilian and/or mexican plants[17:44:43] <helf> yeah[17:44:55] <ddew|bofh> heh[17:45:00] <DeadYak> I was lucky I bought mine in Cali since that guarantees an actual german-manufactured one[17:45:21] <ddew|bofh> the cars here in europia are made in germany where they've been building beetles for 70 years :)[17:45:24] <helf> my dads '72 vw camper is a german import.[17:45:52] <DeadYak> ddew|bofh: like I said, the california ones are all german because their other plants can't build them to CA emission spec[17:46:00] <DeadYak> rest of the country it's more or less a crap shoot[17:46:04] <helf> ddew|bofh, lets put it this way. EU made cars, unless its some horrid french brand, are generally much higher quality than USA made cars[17:46:07] <DeadYak> unless you know what to look for in the VIN[17:46:22] <helf> it seems[17:46:22] <ddew|bofh> helf: i don't doubt that for a second[17:46:32] <DeadYak> first character of VW's VIN tells you the manf plant[17:46:41] <helf> anyways, i want a Toyato iQ :P I love micro cars and its decent looking[17:46:58] <helf> and rated at 56mpg on our gas[17:47:27] <ddew|bofh> i'd make a quip about it being a chick car but then remembered that i drive a Smart which according to the ladies is "cute"[17:47:35] <helf> yeah[17:47:38] <helf> so you cant talk :P[17:47:41] <ddew|bofh> indeed[17:47:42] <helf> it looks better than the smart[17:47:51] <ddew|bofh> but it gets me attention from the ladies[17:47:53] <DeadYak> that's the other reason we have a yaris lol, gf thinks it's adorable looking[17:48:04] <DeadYak> but she's generally a sucker for small cute cars[17:48:11] <DeadYak> smart, mini, you name it[17:48:14] <ddew|bofh> my smart is like a puppy[17:48:25] <ddew|bofh> instant oohs and aaahs[17:48:32] <helf> http://photos.leftlanenews.com/photos/imageresizeronfly/phpThumb.php?src=/photos/content/march2008/toyota-iq-2.jpg&w=1024[17:48:33] <ddew|bofh> and awwww[17:48:34] <DeadYak> wish minis weren't so f'ing expensive over here[17:48:34] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[17:48:51] <DeadYak> that body design looks a lot like the yaris[17:48:51] <helf> i cant stand the yaris for some reason :P[17:48:56] <helf> i know[17:48:57] <helf> which is weird[17:49:01] <ddew|bofh> only problem with the iq is that it's toyota[17:49:09] <DeadYak> and the problem is?[17:49:13] <DeadYak> they make great cars[17:49:15] <helf> uh[17:49:16] <helf> yeah[17:49:16] <ddew|bofh> i have a pathological hate against toyota[17:49:21] <helf> its toyota aka awesomeness[17:49:31] <ddew|bofh> i can't stand driving toyotas[17:49:32] <helf> DeadYak, i thikn its because the fit and the yaris have such flat backends[17:49:49] <DeadYak> helf: *blink* if anything the yaris is more curved than the back of the IQ is[17:49:57] <helf> what?[17:49:58] <helf> hold on[17:50:08] <DeadYak> at least based on that picture[17:50:24] <CIA-5> mmu_man * r28173 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/urlwrapper.cpp: Add support for non-standard port on ssh and sftp.[17:50:34] <DeadYak> helf: http://www.flickr.com/photos/origami_potato/2828096241/in/set-72157607114216889/[17:50:45] <helf> huh[17:50:48] <helf> who knows[17:50:58] <ddew|bofh> heh, is it your car?[17:51:02] <DeadYak> yes.[17:51:08] <helf> its one of those dislikes i cant put my finger on :)[17:51:10] <DeadYak> well, technically my gf's[17:51:19] <DeadYak> mine is a white 99 golf GLS[17:51:42] <ddew|bofh> i was about to tell you what Jeff Dunham calls that color but I think i'll pass :P[17:51:53] <helf> mine is the millenium fa^H^H^H^H^H^H a 1991 astro van[17:52:05] <DeadYak> ddew|bofh: I couldn't care less what somebody else thinks of the color :P[17:52:09] <ddew|bofh> hehe[17:53:36] <helf> actually, screw all these. i need to just buy a suziki samurai[17:53:43] <helf> i love those. they get really good mpg, are 4wd.. :P[17:53:45] <ddew|bofh> those rock[17:53:49] <helf> suzuki[17:53:53] <helf> they are dirt cheap here[17:53:56] <thebolt|away> heh, these days i am driving Mk1 Biotransporter ;)[17:53:58] <helf> i can get a good one for 2-4k[17:54:02] <thebolt|away> (aka legs..)[17:54:05] <helf> lol[17:54:07] <ddew|bofh> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL7J4Vcy8SE[17:54:16] <helf> i like driving off road. so a suzuki is perfect[17:54:16] <ddew|bofh> jeff dunham rocks :)[17:54:25] <helf> i missed out seeing him live a few months ago :([17:54:27] <helf> tickets sold out[17:54:45] <CIA-5> mmlr * r28174 /haiku/trunk/ (headers/os/app/Message.h src/kits/app/Message.cpp):[17:54:45] <CIA-5> Introduce BMessage::CompareData() which is a Haiku API extension. It compares[17:54:45] <CIA-5> the data of two BMessages and allows recursive comparison (BMessage inside[17:54:45] <CIA-5> BMessage). Note that using this API might require you to recompile your app in[17:54:45] <CIA-5> the path to R1.[17:55:01] <ddew|bofh> he's one of few comedians that have me literally rofling[17:55:35] <DeadYak> the only problem I have with suzukis is every time I've driven one I kept feeling like I would tip over every time I made a turn[17:55:48] <helf> heh[17:56:01] <helf> i felt like that after getting into my van for the first few weeks[17:56:03] <ddew|bofh> yeah, they're pretty easy to flip[17:56:12] <helf> my van apparently isnt[17:56:13] <DeadYak> specifically in the samurai and the sidekick[17:56:19] <helf> ive been around curves fast enough to slide :P[17:56:20] <ddew|bofh> atleast the vitara is and that's about the same as a samurai[17:56:43] <helf> ive seen some bad ass sams[17:56:57] <ddew|bofh> i've flipped my vitara[17:57:05] <helf> frame and pan coated inside and out in rhino liner. huge lift kits, diesel engines :P[17:57:12] <ddew|bofh> twice actually, only once was almost intentional[17:57:14] <helf> how many cars do you have?[17:57:35] <ddew|bofh> right now only two, but i used to own a vitara when i was 18[17:57:40] <helf> ah[17:57:46] <helf> I have two at the moment[17:57:49] <helf> I've had 4[17:57:55] <helf> and ive barely been driving 3 years. kind asad[17:58:03] <ddew|bofh> heh[17:58:44] <ddew|bofh> technically i've only been driving 5 years and i've owned 7 cars :P[17:58:57] *** sprma_ has joined #haiku[17:59:07] <ddew|bofh> i've had my license 7 years but i couldn't drive for 2 of them[17:59:08] <helf> :P[17:59:39] <ddew|bofh> no wait, 8 cars[17:59:55] <ddew|bofh> i'm a fan of buying old crap cars and driving them til they die[17:59:59] <helf> I've owned a 1983 RX-7 GSL, 1979 Triumph Spitfire 1500, 1991 Astro van, 1981 vw diesel rabbit[18:00:19] <helf> im a fan of buying old crap cars and letting them sit for a year and then selling them for less than i paid for them[18:00:26] <helf> and/or wrecking them[18:01:25] <tqh> haha[18:01:32] <ddew|bofh> my list is: 1989 vitara glx, 1989 opel kadett, 1967 beetle, 198? vw fox, 1988 volvo 480, 1979 porsche 924, 1967 porsche 911 and a 2004 smart[18:01:46] <helf> good lord[18:01:52] <helf> 911s are expensive here[18:01:56] <helf> the 924s arent[18:02:07] <helf> a beetle that old is expensive if its in good shape[18:02:12] <ddew|bofh> that specific 911 is expensive even here, it's a very rare model[18:02:35] <helf> the vitara wasnt imported to the USA iirc. neither was the fox as far as i knw[18:02:39] <DeadYak> one of my coworkers back when I was in Belgium would've killed for a Porsche... 356 I believe[18:02:45] <DeadYak> I might have the model number wrong[18:02:52] <ddew|bofh> 356's are awesome[18:02:54] <DeadYak> very old one though[18:03:11] <ddew|bofh> awesome car, it's what turned into the vw type 1 :)[18:03:11] <helf> i'd love a 911[18:03:28] <DeadYak> ddew|bofh: yeah, that's the one[18:03:33] <DeadYak> guess my memory's better than I thought[18:03:38] <ddew|bofh> heh[18:03:47] <helf> i cant stand 924s :P[18:04:00] <ddew|bofh> 924's are nice if they're in good nick[18:04:15] <ddew|bofh> most 924 around here are beat up pieces of crap[18:04:33] <ddew|bofh> but once you restore it they're divine[18:04:55] <helf> bleh[18:05:00] <helf> i do want a new 911 :][18:05:04] <ddew|bofh> what it lacks in power it makes up for in handling[18:05:28] <helf> its ugly[18:05:41] <ddew|bofh> hells no, you have no taste :P[18:06:55] <helf> its ugly[18:06:57] <helf> :][18:07:08] <ddew|bofh> some minor tweaks and it turns into a piece of art[18:07:24] <DeadYak> how old a 924 are we talking here?[18:07:30] <ddew|bofh> first things to get rid of are the fugly american bumpers and the excessive trims[18:07:34] <helf> http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/porsche-924-2.jpg[18:07:35] <helf> bleh[18:07:47] <helf> thats a EU spec one[18:07:48] <ddew|bofh> mine's a 1979, in better condition than when it left the factory :)[18:08:13] <helf> THIS is nice[18:08:13] <helf> :P[18:08:14] <helf> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Maserati_merak.jpg[18:08:14] *** sprma has quit IRC[18:08:32] <ddew|bofh> heh, got a nice pantera feel to it[18:08:44] <ddew|bofh> apart from the whimpy wheels[18:08:44] <helf> yeah[18:09:02] <helf> panteras are pieces of shit until you update everytihng and fix the factory defects[18:09:07] <ddew|bofh> the panteras rear tires are insane, wider than most cars[18:09:27] <helf> which must make it a bitch in curves :)[18:09:32] <helf> id love a pantera[18:09:53] <ddew|bofh> they've become really expensive the past few years[18:09:58] <helf> the later model panteras are ugly as heck[18:10:05] <helf> yeah, 40-50+k USD[18:10:21] <helf> I still want a DMC :)[18:10:23] <ddew|bofh> 40-50K for a crap one[18:10:32] <ddew|bofh> yeah, a delorean would rock[18:10:32] <helf> no, 40-50k for a good one[18:10:36] <ddew|bofh> one of the new ones[18:10:55] <ddew|bofh> we have to pay like 670-80K for a good pantera here[18:11:02] <ddew|bofh> err *70-80K[18:11:12] <helf> ha[18:11:13] <helf> HA[18:11:14] <helf> :P[18:11:27] <ddew|bofh> guessing it's because the us models suck :P[18:11:35] <helf> actually, looking at ebay. original, unmolested cars are going for 25k[18:11:36] <helf> :P[18:11:44] <helf> REALLY good ones are 60k[18:12:18] <ddew|bofh> i can get a good one for 50K[18:12:23] <ddew|bofh> it turrns out[18:12:24] <helf> deloreans really arent that expensive[18:12:30] <helf> 10-15k for an OK one[18:12:48] <ddew|bofh> with 6500km on the meter[18:12:54] <helf> maybe i should weasel my way into a DMC...[18:13:12] <ddew|bofh> hehe[18:13:24] <ddew|bofh> i want a new dmc[18:13:34] <helf> yeah, how much are THOSE? :P[18:13:41] <helf> they arent making many[18:14:07] <ddew|bofh> 57500$ :)[18:14:11] <helf> eek[18:14:12] <helf> :P[18:14:18] <helf> ill settle with a used one for 11k[18:14:27] <ddew|bofh> stage 2 engines, a lighter body and a new frame[18:14:40] <helf> i really want a painted black DMC[18:14:51] <helf> they are pretty jet black with a black interior[18:15:05] <helf> do the new units fix the eyebrow problems?[18:15:36] <ddew|bofh> eyebrow problems?[18:15:53] <helf> the rubber molding around the front headlights have a tendency to bow up[18:16:24] <helf> "front headlights" is so redundant[18:16:27] <ddew|bofh> i see no modling there[18:17:31] <helf> http://www.carcollectorclassifieds.com/ccselect/uploads/internetpics/Gol1207109851-1-001.jpg[18:17:35] <helf> you can see it in the side shot[18:17:40] <helf> that strip across teh front[18:17:55] <ddew|bofh> ah, the bumper[18:18:08] <helf> oh, the whole thing is the bumper..[18:18:10] <helf> heh[18:18:16] * helf has never seen a DMC in person :([18:18:26] <ddew|bofh> i've seen two[18:18:34] <ddew|bofh> sat in one of them[18:18:44] <helf> how is it?[18:18:51] <ddew|bofh> they really feel like sportscars[18:19:10] <ddew|bofh> haven't driven one but according to what i hear it's pretty meh[18:19:27] <helf> unless you get a turbo'd unit with new exhaust.. yeah[18:19:35] <helf> the handling isnt so great either[18:19:40] <helf> but who keeps their cars stock?[18:19:53] <ddew|bofh> in short, it's a crap car that looks great :)[18:19:58] <helf> yeah[18:19:58] <helf> :P[18:20:02] <helf> that's ok though :)[18:20:03] <ddew|bofh> like who doesn't want a time machine[18:20:22] <helf> does minox still have his?[18:20:27] <helf> i know one other guy with one[18:20:45] <ddew|bofh> i'd bet good money on that if it hadn't been for the Back To The Future flicks the Delorean would've faded into darkness ages ago[18:20:54] <helf> yeah[18:21:00] <helf> id still want one, though[18:21:01] <helf> :)[18:21:07] <ddew|bofh> as do i :)[18:21:24] <ddew|bofh> with a flux capacitor mounted on it :P[18:21:45] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[18:22:25] <helf> i wish they'd stop making bubbles[18:22:33] <helf> there HAS to be another shape thats aerodynamic[18:22:35] <ddew|bofh> haha, this is spin doctoring. "Yeah, there's no target disk mode in the new macbooks. But it's not like you need it anyway"[18:22:52] <helf> heh[18:23:05] <helf> there is also no FW in the new macbooks...[18:23:37] <Monni> who needs firewire anyways...[18:24:03] <tqh> yes when there are lots of crappy usb standards...[18:24:25] <Monni> my FSC has fw as option... but I don't see me needing it...[18:24:29] <ddew|bofh> fw target disk mode rocks[18:25:01] <helf> woo, my dads job isnt on the line anymore[18:25:07] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[18:25:12] <ddew|bofh> grats :)[18:26:58] <Monni> I like being freelancer... my job is never on the line...[18:27:12] <ddew|bofh> there's also no job security[18:27:35] <helf> yeah[18:27:43] *** witukind has quit IRC[18:27:47] <helf> i dont have any job security[18:27:50] <helf> I'm a temp employee[18:27:52] <helf> going on 4 years[18:27:52] <helf> :P[18:27:57] <Monni> I've been kicked out and re-hired on same day... that's pretty much better than any "security" ;)[18:28:38] <ddew|bofh> still not job security in the sense that you always have a job to go to regardless[18:28:46] <Monni> not to mention I can say "go to end of the line and take a number" to my "boss" ;)[18:30:14] *** _Lucretia__ has joined #haiku[18:30:41] <Monni> today a customer complained to one of the smaller bosses because I talked German with him...[18:31:14] <Teknomancer> :)[18:31:15] <Teknomancer> haha[18:33:40] <Monni> one of my favourite is to mark majority groups... like making official complain about having too many straight men compared to lesbian women... or discrimination against men...[18:34:24] * helf ponders how he can come up with 11k[18:35:29] <helf> it would take me 3 years to come up with 11k...[18:35:31] <helf> booo[18:37:40] <ddew|bofh> hehe, science discovers some really weird things[18:38:02] <ddew|bofh> like that drinking coffee shrinks boobies[18:38:48] <helf> it does?[18:38:54] <ddew|bofh> yup[18:38:55] * helf goes on a crusade to help women[18:39:00] <helf> gimme url[18:39:07] <ddew|bofh> it's a swedish studie[18:39:11] <ddew|bofh> *study[18:39:45] <ddew|bofh> accidental discovery during reasearch of breast cancer[18:40:15] <helf> heh[18:41:10] <ddew|bofh> appearantly there's a gene in about 50% of women that's making them more resistant to breast cancer as well causing boob shrinkage if they drink 3+ cups of coffee per day[18:41:26] <helf> gotta love genes[18:41:43] <helf> i kept reading that as brain cancer[18:41:46] <helf> i have no idea why[18:41:48] <ddew|bofh> i never cease to be surprised by science[18:42:29] * Stefan100 never ceases to be surprised by science vs. religion[18:43:05] <ddew|bofh> i'm surprised people even put them on the same playing field[18:43:27] <ddew|bofh> one is the pursuit of truth and the other is actively denying truth[18:43:34] *** thotypous has quit IRC[18:43:48] * Stefan100 introduces ddew|bofh to the standard religious fanatic[18:44:25] <ddew|bofh> i treat religious people the same as i would treat any other grown person who believes in the tooth fairy or santa claus :)[18:44:43] <Stefan100> point and laugh?[18:44:45] <Stefan100> :p[18:44:49] <helf> lol[18:44:50] <ddew|bofh> pretty much[18:44:55] <ddew|bofh> there's also pity involved[18:44:58] <helf> "helloooo easy money"[18:45:22] * Stefan100 pets http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o[18:45:43] <ddew|bofh> i have zero respect for religion, i've even pretended to be religious to get in a chicks pants[18:45:47] <Stefan100> <3 George Carlin[18:45:54] *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC[18:46:03] <ddew|bofh> carlin was the shiznit[18:46:14] <Stefan100> the what?[18:46:25] <ddew|bofh> the shiznit, the shit. the bees kness[18:46:31] <ddew|bofh> the man[18:47:19] <ddew|bofh> good thing we have Betner who's taken over his style of comedy[18:47:52] <Stefan100> Betner who?[18:47:56] <helf> lunch[18:47:56] <helf> bbl[18:48:01] <ddew|bofh> magnus betn+er[18:48:04][18:48:13] <ddew|bofh> swedish comedian[18:49:27] <ddew|bofh> insanely funny guy[18:49:37] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[18:49:57] <tqh> I liked ali hussein[18:50:49] <ddew|bofh> yeah, he was funny[18:51:09] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[18:51:09][18:51:55] <ddew|bofh> way funny guys[18:52:02] <tqh> yes[18:56:46] *** MauriceK has joined #haiku[19:01:25] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[19:02:03] *** johndrinkwater has quit IRC[19:22:27] *** siarzhuk has joined #haiku[19:24:50] *** sprma_ has quit IRC[19:31:10] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[19:31:49] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[19:38:37] *** nvmd has joined #haiku[19:40:25] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[19:45:36] *** oco has joined #haiku[19:47:07] *** Euver has joined #haiku[19:48:37] *** nvmd has left #haiku[19:56:34] <helf> http://www.highgrowthstock.com/IanBlog/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/blog-401-keg.png[19:57:47] <DHowett> hah! ;)[19:58:04] <helf> hey DHowett! :)[19:58:31] <ddew|bofh> hehe[19:59:36] <DHowett> hey helf :) howsit?[19:59:58] <helf> good, you?[20:00:17] <DHowett> pretty good :D[20:01:02] <CIA-5> stippi * r28175 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ServerWindow.cpp:[20:01:02] <CIA-5> Fixed r28168, which introduced an app_server deadlock. Functions[20:01:02] <CIA-5> which call into Desktop methods which in turn grab the window[20:01:02] <CIA-5> write lock are never supposed to hold this write lock themselves[20:01:02] <CIA-5> already, since the Desktop code takes care to not hold the lock[20:01:04] <CIA-5> when for example calling EventDispatcher methods, which would[20:01:06] <CIA-5> cause a deadlock (as in this example).[20:02:32] <DHowett> fs/aufs/br_nfs.c:280: error: implicit declaration of function ‘vfsub__lookup_hash’[20:02:36] <DHowett> I hate you, linux. I really, really do.[20:03:23] <DHowett> And then the aufs maintainer's decision to include the aufs source code as not a patch, but a manual modification to Kconfig plus a folder in fs/, and copy-the-include-file-there-yourself[20:04:11] <helf> DHowett, ever finish that adapter?[20:04:51] <DHowett> Nah, that project got postponed when I couldn't find wire small enough. For some reason, nobody sells small wire.[20:05:04] <geist> dont be a hater[20:05:14] <helf> how small?[20:05:26] <DHowett> It's also pending better soldering experience with smd[20:05:41] <DHowett> 26-28 gauge, i believe[20:05:54] <helf> ok[20:06:01] <helf> go strip some rj45 or rj11[20:06:11] <DHowett> hehe[20:06:43] <DHowett> I.. i'm not sure what the heck is up with this.[20:07:10] <DHowett> ah, i see. The prototype is hidden behind a #define but the code that uses it isn't. Stupid, stupid.[20:07:20] <DHowett> ifdef, really[20:08:04] * geist senses more hate[20:08:20] <DHowett> geist: The hatred is mostly feigned :)[20:08:35] * geist doesn't want to lose another one to the dark side[20:08:57] <ddew|bofh> to the clusterfuck that is linux?[20:09:35] <geist> hah, try to ship a product based on it[20:10:07] <ddew|bofh> heh, doesn't sound too pleasant tbh :)[20:10:26] <geist> or deal with the non x86 side of it[20:10:30] <geist> much less 'supported'[20:10:35] <miqlas> I made this webpage (with google), this dinamically get the data from the Haiku roadmap webpage, and show some graficon: http://boly.hu/~miqlas/index.php/haiku/[20:10:46] <helf> ddew|bofh, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2IiTO3oipw&NR=1[20:10:47] <miqlas> If somebody need the php code, please tell me :)[20:10:47] <helf> omg[20:10:48] <helf> :P[20:10:55] <DHowett> wow, i love it. nice miqlas[20:11:05] <helf> one of my friends is getting that bike in january. already put a down payment[20:11:09] <DHowett> I remember the old OpenBeOS page with progress bars for certain things that needed to get done[20:11:11] <ddew|bofh> i've had the (mis)fortune of playing with linux on dec alpha and mips platforms. fun for hackery but almost impossible to get it to behave[20:11:43] <miqlas> DHowett, thank You![20:11:50] <geist> ooh that sounds nice[20:12:04] <helf> yeah[20:14:34] <geist> i still have stock pipes on my Hornet, so it just purrs[20:15:08] <ddew|bofh> heh, the fixed exhaust makes it sound like an actual engine :P[20:15:14] <ddew|bofh> on helf's clip[20:15:19] <geist> yeah[20:15:34] <geist> i love the exhaust mixed with the primary high pitched sound[20:15:47] <geist> valve train or something[20:16:08] <ddew|bofh> i can't stand the stock sound of newer bikes. they sound way too high-pitched, whiney and just annoying[20:16:23] <ddew|bofh> engine sound should be like a kick in the chest[20:16:30] <helf> yeah[20:16:42] <geist> yeah, I should get a replacement for my exhaust, but the trouble is almost all of them ruin the heat shield[20:16:46] <geist> and then i have problems with bags[20:16:48] <helf> i love the sound[20:16:59] <helf> ive been dying to get a bike[20:17:04] <geist> the hornet (919 in us) has its exhaust up high, actually exposed[20:17:06] <helf> im fairly certain i want this triumph now :)[20:17:08] <geist> but they have a heat shield on it[20:17:22] <ddew|bofh> i'm no motorbike person so i'm going strictly by how sexy the noise is :)[20:17:23] <geist> almost all of the replacements nuke the shield[20:17:28] <geist> and now you can burn the shit out of yourself[20:17:31] <ddew|bofh> heat shields et al are meaningless to me :P[20:17:45] <helf> heh[20:18:30] <ddew|bofh> but it's nice to have bikers around. we need the organdonors ;)[20:18:36] <helf> lol[20:18:59] <geist> see, this replacement exhaust nukes the shield: http://www.staintune.com.au/exhausts/honda/images/Honda%20Hornet%20900.jpg[20:19:08] <geist> so that'll burn the shit out of you[20:19:18] <ddew|bofh> that can't be comfy for the passenger[20:19:24] <geist> heh[20:20:36] <geist> helf: i assume you've ridden before, right?[20:20:48] <geist> you're not gonna go out and grab a machine like that first time[20:21:35] <helf> yeeeeaaahhh.... about that..[20:21:36] <Teknomancer> why not? looks cool :)[20:22:00] <geist> helf: you wanna grab a cheapo bike, learn to ride[20:22:19] <geist> there's usually a market for that, buy one, beat it up, sell it for about as much as you paid for it[20:22:21] <Teknomancer> ah in that sense,[20:22:31] <helf> i plan on getting lots of motorcycle training over the next year before i even think about actually buying one. my sister fiance is a master of technology harley mechanic and also does sportsbikes. so im going to get lessons on everything :)[20:22:37] <helf> geist, yeah. i know.[20:22:40] <geist> excellent![20:22:41] <helf> little 1k cheap one[20:22:44] <helf> yeah![20:22:45] <geist> yeah, totally[20:22:50] <helf> we are moving him out here in january[20:22:54] <helf> he's in new mexico right now.[20:23:01] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[20:23:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[20:23:05] <geist> I rode a beat up 25 yr old nighthawk to learn[20:23:10] *** siarzhuk has quit IRC[20:23:11] <geist> then i gave it to my dad, he's enjoying it now[20:23:17] <helf> There are literally no more classes he can take from harley :)[20:23:34] <geist> meh, not sure where you are[20:23:44] <geist> in the US there's usually a MSF class[20:23:48] <geist> they're quite good[20:23:51] <helf> US[20:24:02] <geist> look around for those, they're great[20:24:07] <helf> ok[20:24:23] <geist> motorcycle safety foundation i think[20:24:31] <geist> it's different in different states though[20:24:38] <helf> i want to take some formal classes on it... my friend did and he's been using his dads bike for practice[20:24:44] <helf> im in alabama[20:24:46] <helf> ill have to look it up[20:24:49] <geist> yeah, exactly. it's a formal class[20:24:50] *** Rakhun|away has joined #haiku[20:25:02] <geist> and you get a waiver for your road test, probably (depends on the state)[20:25:17] <geist> but they'll teach you how to lock it up, swerve, etc[20:25:45] <geist> but they'll usually do it on little 125cc or 250cc bikes[20:25:51] <helf> fun :)[20:25:51] <geist> easy to handle, no problem when you drop em[20:26:02] <geist> yeah, I really enjoyed it[20:26:02] <helf> most ive ever ridden is a dirt bike[20:26:11] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[20:26:14] *** Rakhun|away is now known as Rakhun[20:26:14] <geist> same here. having ridden on a dirt bike meant it was a breeze[20:26:22] <geist> since i didn't have to worry about all the gear shifting and whatnot[20:26:26] <geist> that all came back in an instant[20:26:26] <helf> yeah[20:26:41] <helf> 4wheelers are mostly the same in that department, and ive ridden those a good deal.[20:26:44] <helf> so it shouldnt take much[20:26:53] <geist> yep, that wont be an issue[20:27:00] <geist> means you can focus on the other stff[20:27:05] <helf> ill definitely keep my foot out of it until i get REALLY comfortable.[20:27:14] <geist> though i tell ya, a big bike is really big when you get on it[20:27:15] <helf> i dont want to repeat my rx-7 incident with a mor expensive vehicle :P[20:27:24] <helf> *more[20:27:32] <geist> but you're nuthin compared to all the cars around you[20:27:42] <geist> you're like a fish swimming with sharks[20:27:45] <helf> im used to having to look out.[20:27:55] <helf> my rx-7 was constantly having suvs try to shift lanes on top of it[20:28:01] <helf> my hood didnt come up to their windows[20:28:06] <helf> *roof[20:28:20] <geist> at least on a bike you have a lot of visibility, except through trucks and suvs[20:28:30] <geist> you sit relatively high, you can usuall see over cars[20:28:36] <helf> cool[20:28:46] <helf> ive been dying for a motorcycle for awhile now.[20:28:59] <geist> i enjoy the challenge of operating it[20:29:04] <geist> getting better, etc[20:29:12] <geist> makes you really appreciate motogp and all that a lot more[20:29:13] <helf> yeah, that is what i miss about my sports cars[20:29:16] <geist> those guys are fucking nuts[20:29:21] <helf> my van takes no effort to try[20:29:22] <helf> its annoying[20:29:44] <helf> you ever watch the trick bikes? i forget what its calle.d.. where they have no seat and its a crawl pace?[20:29:44] <geist> actually my bike shifts a lot easier than my subaru[20:30:04] <geist> the 919 has so much torque you can pretty much shift into 1st in idle[20:30:12] <helf> heh[20:30:14] <geist> whereas the wrx is all turbo lagged, you have to finesse it a bit more[20:30:31] <helf> i enjoyed that in my rabbit :)[20:30:37] <helf> didnt have to touch the gas to pop it in first and go[20:30:55] <geist> otoh, if i were to actually rev the 919 and pop the clutch i'd find myself in my ass in about 1/10 of a second[20:31:07] <helf> hehe[20:31:11] <geist> and the throttle is extremely touchy when clutched out[20:31:34] <helf> if i get a bike. ill be on it whenever i have the chance...[20:31:35] <geist> i never really opened it up, but i found a video the other day where someone recorded themselves doing it[20:31:39] <geist> oh man...[20:31:43] <helf> whats the top speed?[20:32:18] <geist> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnejvxhtMHo[20:32:57] <mmu_man> http://dev.osdrawer.net/projects/show/mmu-sp-plugins ;)[20:33:15] <geist> actually this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htI8JJmYdxM&feature=related[20:33:46] <geist> since it has no wind screen, i think you fall off at about 140[20:34:07] <geist> i think people have gotten up to about 160[20:34:18] <geist> it's not geared for it, it's tuned for a lot more low end torque[20:34:21] <helf> fun :)[20:34:32] <geist> engine tops out at about 9500[20:35:51] <geist> hey this doesn't sound too bad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-EWoss11fk&feature=related[20:36:44] <Teknomancer> cu[20:36:44] *** Teknomancer has left #haiku[20:37:22] <helf> thats not bad[20:37:23] <helf> brb[20:41:42] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[20:45:06] *** Sloar has joined #haiku[20:52:27] *** ddew|bofh has quit IRC[20:55:30] *** DHowett has left #haiku[20:59:51] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[21:02:40] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[21:02:57] <plfiorini> hello[21:03:58] <Stefan100> hi[21:04:15] <plfiorini> hi Stefan100[21:04:48] *** markos_ has quit IRC[21:08:23] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[21:09:16] <CIA-5> stippi * r28176 /haiku/trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)[21:09:16] <CIA-5> Applied patch by Stephen Deken:[21:09:16] <CIA-5> * Added a new class BAffineTransform, currently in the BPrivate namespace[21:09:16] <CIA-5> and the inofficial "shared kit".[21:09:16] <CIA-5> * Extended BPolygon to be transformable by a BAffineTransform.[21:09:16] <CIA-5> Thanks a lot![21:09:18] <CIA-5> Minor fixes by myself:[21:13:59] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[21:14:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[21:20:06] <CIA-5> stippi * r28177 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/Dragger.cpp:[21:20:06] <CIA-5> aldeck + stippi:[21:20:06] <CIA-5> * Improved the naming of the menu entry that removes a replicant from a shelf[21:20:06] <CIA-5> to be less frightning.[21:23:11] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[21:23:33] *** pyCube_ has quit IRC[21:25:25] <CIA-5> stippi * r28178 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/filetypes/ (IconView.cpp IconView.h):[21:25:25] <CIA-5> * Fixed a memory leak when creating the drag bitmap.[21:25:25] <CIA-5> * Added an optional modification message that is triggered whenever the[21:25:25] <CIA-5> view adopts a new icon.[21:25:36] *** Sarmy has joined #haiku[21:26:02] *** Stefan100 has quit IRC[21:26:13] *** Sarmy is now known as Stefan100[21:32:20] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[21:34:26] *** atomozero has joined #haiku[21:44:19] *** pyCube has quit IRC[21:47:05] *** Sloar has left #haiku[21:47:27] * JonathanThompson poofs DeadYak[21:47:34] <CIA-5> mmu_man * r28179 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/ (thread.cpp util/cbuf.c):[21:47:34] <CIA-5> bonefish+mmu_man: fix cbuf_user_memcpy_from_chain() returning an error when the[21:47:34] <CIA-5> source buffer was NULL despite being asked for 0 bytes, while the counterpart[21:47:34] <CIA-5> was actually not creating a buffer for 0 bytes to send... Also don't bother[21:47:34] <CIA-5> calling it from receive_data() in that case anyway.[21:47:34] <CIA-5> This fixes a deadlock in SoundPlay that made it freeze when trying to play the 2nd sound.[21:47:38] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[21:47:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[21:48:09] * DeadYak plops mmu_man[21:48:35] <mmu_man> SoundPlay now plays the next sound :)[21:48:37] <mmu_man> oh, and I fixed NetSurf so BeHappy doesn't lockup[21:48:51] <mmu_man> (should probably fix BTranslationRoster to not need to lock be_app though[21:49:52] <DeadYak> mmu_man: wait, BeHappy can use NetSurf for its HTML view?[21:51:01] <mmu_man> yes[21:51:08] <DeadYak> neat[21:51:49] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/beos/shots/shot_beos_netsurf_behappy_001.png[21:52:09] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/beos/shots/shot_haiku_netsurf_replicated_and_behappy_001.png[21:53:01] <mmu_man> I should make a package[21:53:01] <DeadYak> nice :)[21:53:22] <DeadYak> btw, since some of you guys were looking at BDragger earlier..don't suppose anyone has ideas on the disappearing dragger hand problem? :)[21:53:59] <mmu_man> nope[21:58:23] *** Barrett666_ has joined #haiku[22:02:20] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[22:04:03] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[22:05:13] <miqlas> mmu_man! Ohh, my sweety good! This is sooo cool![22:06:06] <miqlas> But i think, this is not the best place for the replicant handle. Why You don't put it to the bottom of the window?[22:07:54] <mmu_man> damn, I can't upload anything from here[22:08:02] <mmu_man> I get IO errors with scp or sftp[22:08:16] <mmu_man> miqlas cause it's not as easy in the code[22:08:25] <mmu_man> the dragger must be direct child of the base view[22:08:36] <mmu_man> but there you have the scrollview on top[22:09:05] <mmu_man> it should be possible by setting the clipping mask but I didn't try yet[22:09:57] <miqlas> Ah, i understand. Yeah, You are the developer, i'm only an mech. engineer. You have right. Thank you for Your work, and i hope You have enough energy to make ot of cool things for us.[22:12:15] <mmu_man> seems to be working with split -b 100k[22:12:17] <mmu_man> painful[22:13:17] <miqlas> Reboot to Haiku...[22:13:21] *** miqlas has quit IRC[22:14:08] *** adb has joined #haiku[22:16:20] *** Barrett666_ has quit IRC[22:17:30] <CIA-5> axeld * r28180 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/tracker/ (7 files): (log message trimmed)[22:17:30] <CIA-5> * The type ahead mechanism did not work correctly in list view mode: instead[22:17:30] <CIA-5> of taking the contents of the columns, it would always use the file name[22:17:30] <CIA-5> instead.[22:17:30] <CIA-5> * That uncovered another bug, though: WidgetText::Text() tried to cast everything[22:17:33] <CIA-5> to StringAttributeText, but GenericAttributeText is actually used for most[22:17:35] <CIA-5> columns.[22:28:46] <PulkoMandy> +++[22:28:54] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[22:30:00] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[22:32:15] *** witukind has joined #haiku[22:33:42] <HeTo> mmu_man: is BeHappy just for BeBook, or what format is the TOC/index in?[22:33:57] <mmu_man> it has addons[22:34:04] <mmu_man> to index docs[22:34:10] <mmu_man> currently BeBook and BeHappyDoc itself[22:34:22] <mmu_man> I wrote a Man addon once to index htmlized man pages[22:34:31] <mmu_man> and started one for glibc docs[22:34:49] *** johndrinkwater has joined #haiku[22:34:56] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[22:35:22] <HeTo> but the format is still specific to BeHappy?[22:35:23] <miqlas> Hello Guzs$[22:35:38] <miqlas> The Haiku now bootable on extended partition$ >([22:35:45] <miqlas> :)[22:36:28] <mmu_man> HeTo what do you mean ?[22:36:47] <mmu_man> the index is specific to the addon itself IIRC[22:37:02] <mmu_man> but maybe it can be made more generic[22:37:25] *** witukind has quit IRC[22:37:32] <mmu_man> could be interesting to reuse existing infos (and add them to PDFs...)[22:38:01] <HeTo> so the index file format is in no way standardised even within BeHappy?[22:38:06] *** shiroginne has joined #haiku[22:39:54] <DeadYak> HeTo: would seem not[22:41:56] <mmu_man> HeTo I honestly don't remember, been a while since I checked it[22:42:08] <mmu_man> addons derive from a base class that handles the indexing, so maybe[22:42:47] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:44:21] <CIA-5> mmlr * r28181 /haiku/trunk/ (headers/os/app/Message.h src/kits/app/Message.cpp):[22:44:21] <CIA-5> Rename BMessage::CompareData() to HasSameData() as this makes more sense for the[22:44:21] <CIA-5> bool return type. Did I mention this was an unstable Haiku extension?[22:44:37] <helf> i think ive hit a new low[22:44:43] <helf> reencoding porn so its playable on my NeXT[22:44:52] <CIA-5> stippi * r28182 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/filetypes/ (ApplicationTypeWindow.cpp ApplicationTypeWindow.h): (log message trimmed)[22:44:52] <CIA-5> * Implement a method to track the need to save changes. Enabled the[22:44:52] <CIA-5> Save menu item accordingly and ask the user to save changes when he quits[22:44:52] <CIA-5> the window and there are any changes.[22:44:52] <CIA-5> Most changes are tracked in a robust way, only icons are tracked with a[22:44:56] <CIA-5> more fuzzy method (the actual data is not compared). Whenever an icon[22:44:58] <CIA-5> (of the app itself or one of its types) is changed, then the preflet is[22:45:41] *** helf has quit IRC[22:45:43] <miqlas> I can't run the pe. Why?[22:46:54] <DeadYak> helf: the $20,000 question. Mono or Color? :P[22:48:07] <miqlas> If You resize some times the window of VLC , the small black display (time) will die. (It doenst resize with the window)[22:48:08] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[22:48:22] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[22:48:33] *** helf has joined #haiku[22:48:40] <helf> woops[22:48:42] <helf> hydrairc crashed[22:49:13] *** luroh has joined #haiku[22:49:49] *** senry-user2 has joined #Haiku[22:50:22] *** senry-user3 has joined #Haiku[22:50:26] <miqlas> mmu_man, is something wrong with Your webpage? Veryyy slooooww...[22:50:50] *** senry-user3 has quit IRC[22:50:51] *** senry-user has quit IRC[22:50:51] *** senry-user2 has quit IRC[22:50:56] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[22:51:20] <mmu_man> miqlas no, your country has just bad peering with french ISPs :P[22:51:34] <helf> french[22:51:44] <helf> sure, blame everyone else, like normal[22:51:44] <helf> :P[22:51:45] <DeadYak> site seems fine from here[22:51:49] <miqlas> I want download the netsurf :([22:52:07] <helf> how slow is very slow?[22:52:11] <atomozero> from italy a cant download from your homa page :([22:52:12] *** BrunoBratwurst has joined #Haiku[22:52:17] <miqlas> Or maybe something wrong with the Haiku?[22:52:29] <helf> gimme the download link[22:52:34] <helf> ill stick it on my server and you can test it[22:52:34] <miqlas> 0-6Kb/S[22:52:40] <atomozero> netsurf start the download but at 1-2 b/sec[22:52:46] <CIA-5> axeld * r28183 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/BuildSetup: * Added bfs to the -Werror components.[22:52:56] <miqlas> http://revolf.free.fr/beos/netsurf-bone.zip[22:52:58] *** BrunoBratwurst has quit IRC[22:52:58] *** senry-user has quit IRC[22:53:00] <DeadYak> on second thought, yeah, getting around 5KB/sec when I actually try to download[22:53:05] *** BrunoBratwurst has joined #Haiku[22:53:47] <CIA-5> mmlr * r28184 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/app/Message.cpp: Fix build. The deep version did use the CompareData of course.[22:54:13] <helf> im getting 10kb/s[22:54:19] <helf> lemme stick it on my page after its finished[22:54:31] <helf> 150kb/s now[22:54:31] <miqlas> LaunchBox have AutoRaise function, but it not work for me.[22:54:31] <helf> :P[22:55:07] <atomozero> now i download at 4kB/sec[22:55:30] <helf> finished already[22:55:33] <helf> at 140kb/s average[22:58:23] <helf> its weird[22:58:31] <helf> downloads start out super slow then skyrocket to 140-150kb/s[22:59:04] *** cherrylap has quit IRC[23:01:21] <luroh> hmm, build still failing here on two machines[23:01:42] <luroh> src/preferences/filetypes/ApplicationTypeWindow.cpp: In method `uint32 ApplicationTypeWindow::_NeedsSaving(long unsigned int) const':[23:01:52] <luroh> src/preferences/filetypes/ApplicationTypeWindow.cpp:813: no matching function for call to `BMessage::CompareData (BMessage) const'[23:05:26] <DeadYak> looking...[23:06:28] *** Euver has quit IRC[23:08:21] <DeadYak> once I get that far, changes to Message.h of course force tons of things to be rebuilt[23:08:32] <DeadYak> ah, there we are[23:08:57] <miqlas> NetSurf told: "Out of memory!" But it uses only 16Mb... Then i don't understand that massage...[23:09:48] <CIA-5> stippi * r28185 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/filetypes/ApplicationTypeWindow.cpp: * This should fix the build of FileTypes... I should have heard the warning... :-)[23:10:18] <luroh> DeadYak: yeah, nasty one[23:10:22] * luroh builds[23:10:44] <CIA-5> mmlr * r28186 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/main.cpp: Move semaphore initialization a bit earlier in boot. They'll be needed by ACPI.[23:11:39] <CIA-5> mmlr * r28187 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/arch/x86/arch_int.c:[23:11:39] <CIA-5> Prepare usage of the ACPI module. Actual code for getting PCI interrupt routing[23:11:39] <CIA-5> not yet done though.[23:12:30] <luroh> yep, 28185 built fine[23:13:19] *** BrunoBratwurst has quit IRC[23:13:57] <DeadYak> is that commit at all related to ticket #3?[23:14:00] *** MauriceK has quit IRC[23:14:40] <vbmithr> r28186 ?[23:14:40] <DeadYak> hm, interesting warning...[23:14:43] <DeadYak> /usr/home/rene/devel/haiku/src/kits/media/OldBufferStream.cpp: In static member function 'static void* BBufferStream::operator new(size_t)':[23:14:43] <DeadYak> /usr/home/rene/devel/haiku/src/kits/media/OldBufferStream.cpp:179: warning: 'operator new' must not return NULL unless it is declared 'throw()' (or -fcheck-new is in effect)[23:14:51] <DeadYak> never noticed that one before[23:14:57] <vbmithr> svn restarted ?[23:15:08] <vbmithr> the release number was so much higher last time I checked..[23:15:21] <DeadYak> ....[23:15:26] <DeadYak> you must be misreading?[23:16:14] <vbmithr> I would swear the some month ago, the commit number was about 150000[23:16:35] <DeadYak> um...no[23:17:26] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[23:17:32] <DeadYak> the oldest commits I have in my email are from 9/2007 and those are around 22000[23:17:49] <DeadYak> so unless by some months ago you mean something like "before berlios" ....[23:17:55] <DeadYak> I have no idea what revision it got up to on sourceforge[23:18:14] <vbmithr> no I don't think so[23:18:22] <vbmithr> nevermind[23:18:31] <CIA-5> mmlr * r28188 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/acpi/ (acpi_busman.c acpi_module.c oshaiku.c): (log message trimmed)[23:18:31] <CIA-5> * Make the initialization of the DPC module lazy. It'll not be available in early[23:18:31] <CIA-5> boot, but it's not needed there either.[23:18:31] <CIA-5> * Return 1 for the thread id when ACPI asks and we are thread 0 (early boot),[23:18:33] <CIA-5> because it treats 0 as an error.[23:18:33] <vbmithr> it's not important anyway[23:18:35] <CIA-5> * Switch over logic when installing/removing interrupt handle to panic when[23:18:37] <CIA-5> installing the interrupt handler if the data supplied is non-NULL. In case it[23:21:07] <CIA-5> mmlr * r28189 /haiku/trunk/headers/os/drivers/ACPI.h: Remove one line of whitespace.[23:21:07] *** helf has quit IRC[23:23:18] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[23:25:33] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[23:26:57] *** BrunoBratwurst has joined #Haiku[23:27:23] *** BrunoBratwurst has quit IRC[23:27:48] *** atomozero_ has joined #haiku[23:28:34] <miqlas> Haiku don't boot if i enabled my Realtek 8139 NIC :([23:28:57] *** atomozero has quit IRC[23:29:02] *** atomozero__ has joined #haiku[23:30:23] <CIA-5> mmu_man * r28190 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages:[23:30:23] <CIA-5> Added an updated version of BeHappy as optional package. This one can use NetSurf instead of NetPositive if it finds it.[23:30:23] <CIA-5> Make sure you rm generated/downloads/NetSurf.zip to get the new replicable one.[23:30:39] <CIA-5> mmlr * r28191 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/HaikuImage: Add the ACPI module to the boot module symlinks.[23:31:19] <CIA-5> bonefish * r28192 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/posix/ (xsi_message_queue.cpp xsi_semaphore.cpp): Added TODO regarding serious locking problem.[23:31:30] *** thotypous has quit IRC[23:32:48] <luroh> hmm, r28188 KDLs at the disk icon in Vmware, should i file a ticket?[23:33:20] <CIA-5> bonefish * r28193 /haiku/trunk/data/etc/profile: Removed "lal" alias and added "-A" to "ll" instead.[23:33:29] <DeadYak> luroh:: try 28191 first[23:33:43] <luroh> did that, didn't help[23:33:53] <DeadYak> then probably :)[23:35:03] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[23:36:11] <luroh> ok, http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/2848[23:39:17] <CIA-5> zooey * r28194 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/TextView.cpp:[23:39:17] <CIA-5> Stippi + zooey:[23:39:17] <CIA-5> * fixed LineHeight() for the case when the textview does not yet contain[23:39:17] <CIA-5> anything - instead of returning 0 we now return the lineheight of the[23:39:17] <CIA-5> default style (or the textview's font).[23:39:17] <CIA-5> Fixes #2231[23:39:17] <DeadYak> ah[23:39:37] <CIA-5> bonefish * r28195 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/fs/fifo.cpp:[23:39:37] <CIA-5> Fixed serious race condition: If the thread waiting for a request was[23:39:37] <CIA-5> interrupted, another thread closing the other end of the pipe could[23:39:37] <CIA-5> invoke thread_unblock() while the first thread already entered[23:39:38] <CIA-5> mutex_lock(). 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