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[00:07:36] <CIA-5> * makebootable now checks if the partition/image/device is mounted via the
[00:07:36] <CIA-5>  disk device API, and if that is the case, it will use the private
[00:07:36] <CIA-5>  BFS_IOCTL_UPDATE_BOOT_BLOCK ioctl to update the boot code.
[00:07:36] <CIA-5> * Fixed inconsistent naming of "Bootcode" vs. "BootCode".
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[00:31:40] <CIA-5> * Added a flag B_DISK_SYSTEM_SUPPORTS_WRITING to determine whether or not a
[00:31:40] <CIA-5>  file system can write to files before mounting.
[00:31:40] <CIA-5> * Set the flag for all file systems that actually can write.
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[00:56:36] <helf2> hi]
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[00:59:17] <ddew|bofh> ho
[01:00:36] <pyCube> hi
[01:02:22] <helf2> whats going on? DOW closed 937 points up :P someone made a KILLING today
[01:02:28] <pyCube> hm.. i cant seem to get bored with planetZappa
[01:02:41] <helf2> didnt zappa die?
[01:02:48] * tigerdog woofs hello at DeadYak
[01:02:56] <tigerdog> Yes, FZ died quite some time ago.
[01:03:01] <pyCube> yeah
[01:03:15] <helf2> oh, i dont notice these things :)
[01:03:21] <tigerdog> One of his last performances was to introduce the music on the CD "The Yellow Shark"
[01:03:23] * DeadYak pets tigerdog
[01:03:30] <tigerdog> pretty scholarly music - my favorite Zappa
[01:03:41] <pyCube> yellow shark is interesting
[01:04:07] <CIA-5> mmu_man * r28056 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/arch/m68k/arch_real_time_clock.cpp: Code to read and write the RTC, copied from the x86 version.
[01:04:07] <tigerdog> All the musical challenge of Zappa without the verbal affront.
[01:04:16] <ddew|bofh> zappa was a god
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[01:04:44] <tigerdog> changing the subject back to BeOS/Haiku for a moment,
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[01:05:01] <helf2> my dad, in his bright orange, ancient VW camper that says "im old and im slow - deal with it" on his rear window got a speeding ticket today
[01:05:02] <tigerdog> does anyone remember specific references to beos named pipes being broken?
[01:05:03] <pyCube> i dunno.. yellow shark is neat and all, but its just a sliver of the "challenge" of fz
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[01:07:08] <CIA-5> stippi * r28057 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/servers/app/view_transit/Jamfile: Fixed wrong target name.
[01:08:02] <CIA-5> stippi * r28058 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/servers/app/view_transit/ViewTransit.cpp:
[01:08:02] <CIA-5> Also test what happens when there is a view with an event mask. (Currently
[01:08:02] <CIA-5> shows a bug in the app_server event dispatching which is going to be fixed
[01:08:02] <CIA-5> next.)
[01:09:38] <DeadYak> tigerdog: tqh was mentioning that earlier...
[01:10:05] <tigerdog> I think we're both looking at the same bit of Mozilla code.
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[01:10:35] <tigerdog> I'm sorry I missed him.  Sometimes, time zones are a PITA
[01:11:31] <pyCube> so are flatbreads
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[01:11:42] * AnEvilYak facepalms
[01:11:48] <pyCube> heh
[01:11:57] <AnEvilYak> couldn't just let that one go could ya? :P
[01:12:46] <pyCube> i suppose i could have...
[01:13:06] <ddew|bofh> wouldn't be as fun though :P
[01:13:34] <helf2> im apparently going to have to fix my rabbit myself
[01:14:01] <ddew|bofh> helf2: you say that like it's a bad thing
[01:14:02] <helf2> I've gotten incredulous looks or barely held in laughs over every inquiry about it I've made.
[01:14:05] <pyCube> heh
[01:14:13] <helf2> ddew|bofh:  its a diesel
[01:14:18] <helf2> i know jack all about diesels
[01:14:18] <ddew|bofh> so?
[01:14:24] <ddew|bofh> time to learn then :P
[01:14:26] <helf2> and ive never torn an engine apart :]
[01:14:27] <helf2> yeah
[01:14:29] <helf2> be fun, i geuss
[01:14:37] <helf2> gotta buy some more tools. like na engine hoist
[01:14:40] <ddew|bofh> diesels are easier to work with than gas engines
[01:14:44] <helf2> time to put my barn to work ^_^
[01:14:52] <ddew|bofh> less things you can fuck up
[01:14:54] <helf2> yeah
[01:14:57] <helf2> not much there
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[01:15:09] <helf2> dunno what all im going to run into when i tear it apart
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[01:15:23] <helf2> interference diesel @ ~5k RPM + snapping timing belt
[01:15:39] <CIA-5> stippi * r28059 /haiku/trunk/src/ (kits/interface/Window.cpp servers/app/EventDispatcher.cpp): (log message trimmed)
[01:15:39] <CIA-5> zooey + axeld + stippi:
[01:15:39] <CIA-5> Fixed a problem with dispatching B_MOUSE_MOVED messages to views which need
[01:15:39] <CIA-5> the transit event:
[01:15:39] <CIA-5> * If the app_server decided to send a B_MOUSE_MOVED to the previous mouse
[01:15:39] <ddew|bofh> timing belt snapped?
[01:15:40] <CIA-5>  containing window, it forgot to add the _feed_focus flag, which was a problem
[01:15:44] <CIA-5>  if the message actually happened to contain tokens (views that registered
[01:15:49] <helf2> ya
[01:15:56] <helf2> i forgot to check it after buying the damned thing
[01:15:56] <ddew|bofh> eek
[01:15:59] <helf2> looks ancient
[01:16:00] <helf2> :/
[01:16:05] <ddew|bofh> that can be expensive
[01:16:11] <helf2> i had a vw diesel mechanic tell me i probably fucked up some guides and the valves
[01:16:21] <ddew|bofh> the valves can be pretty thrashed
[01:16:40] <tigerdog> you have a fun task ahead, helf2
[01:17:01] <helf2> i can get the entire (injection pump, everything) rebuilt and crated back to me timed and ready to be dropped in for about 2.5k
[01:17:07] <tigerdog> kinda fun in the way that dentistry without novocaine is fun
[01:17:09] <ddew|bofh> helf2: well you know what they say. easy is boring :)
[01:17:14] <helf2> :P
[01:17:17] <tigerdog> you won't be bored, then
[01:17:19] <helf2> tigerdog: shaddup :P
[01:17:26] <tigerdog> LOL
[01:17:34] <helf2> ive been psyching myself up for this for a month now
[01:17:45] <tigerdog> you can do it, helf2
[01:17:52] <ddew|bofh> it's an ancient rabiit, doing an engine rebuild on that is just a waste of money
[01:18:00] <helf2> what?
[01:18:02] <helf2> is not
[01:18:02] <helf2> ass
[01:18:10] <ddew|bofh> it's better to fix it yourself
[01:18:13] <helf2> porsche snob
[01:18:16] <helf2> oh
[01:18:20] <helf2> you meant paying someone
[01:18:25] <ddew|bofh> well duh
[01:18:27] * helf2 apologizes :P
[01:18:41] <helf2> yeah, i cant see spending that much
[01:18:45] <ddew|bofh> hell, i've rebuilt cars far worse than a rabbit with a busted timing belt :)
[01:18:48] <helf2> since i only have maybe 1.5k invested in it
[01:19:06] <tigerdog> years ago, I made a decision.  I'll work on anything automotive that doesn't require disassembly of a major subsystem.  If I can't get to what's broken without disassembling things that are NOT broken, I leave the task to a professional
[01:19:11] <helf2> maybe ill get lucky and only have a few bent valves
[01:19:24] <helf2> tigerdog:  luckily this is a play car
[01:19:27] <ddew|bofh> good thing rabbit parts are fuck cheap
[01:19:29] <helf2> so no worries if it takes me a year
[01:19:33] <helf2> yeah
[01:19:41] <helf2> almost everything except major parts are $50
[01:19:43] <helf2> seriously
[01:19:49] <helf2> rear light assembly
[01:19:49] <ddew|bofh> i know, it rocks :)
[01:19:50] <helf2> 50 bucks
[01:19:55] <helf2> injectors
[01:19:56] <helf2> 50 bucks
[01:20:02] <helf2> ball joints
[01:20:03] <helf2> 50 bucks
[01:20:03] <helf2> :P
[01:20:08] <tigerdog> makes sense, helf2.  Moreover, when you're done, you can fill the tank with strainings from the local burger king's frenchfryer
[01:20:10] <ddew|bofh> and here in europia they're even cheaper
[01:20:41] <tigerdog> or put an ad on Craigslist to offer "free recycling" of peanut oil from thanksgiving turkey frys.
[01:20:43] <helf2> tigerdog: my grand plan is a space saver 10g tank in the hatch set up with heating elements and an electronic switch over on the fuel lines
[01:20:48] <ddew|bofh> tigerdog: you do know that running an engine on veggie oil takes some preprocessing of the oil. right?
[01:20:57] <helf2> crank the beast and let it warm up with diesel and then switch over to veggy
[01:21:01] <tigerdog> yes, especially where it's cold.
[01:21:22] <ddew|bofh> not to mention cleaning the oil up
[01:21:29] <helf2> which isnt hard
[01:21:38] <ddew|bofh> unless you enjoy replacing fuel filters every 5 miles :)
[01:21:45] <helf2> heh
[01:21:48] <tigerdog> here in San Diego, people basically filter stuff and dump it in their tank.  mix it with petroleum diesel if it's chilly.
[01:21:57] <helf2> yeah, that works
[01:22:00] <tigerdog> I fry turkeys every thanksgiving.
[01:22:14] <helf2> apparently the old vw diesel engines like the rabbit has are great for veg conversions
[01:22:22] <helf2> something about where the injectors inject at and crap
[01:22:23] <CIA-5> mmu_man * r28060 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/arch/m68k/arch_real_time_clock.cpp: Fix the build.
[01:22:25] <ddew|bofh> heh, guess it's an advantage you guys have living in the greasiest country on earth
[01:22:26] <helf2> i dont understand it but im stoked
[01:22:32] <helf2> ^_^
[01:22:38] <tigerdog> I get rid of the oil by dumping it back into the container and posting to craigslist.  had 5 gallons gone to a student with an old Mercedes diesel in 3 hours.
[01:22:44] <helf2> if nothing else, i can knock out a random fat person and cut hteir fat off and burn it
[01:23:06] <tigerdog> start your own medical waste recycling business!
[01:23:16] <pyCube> one fuel source that isnt facing depletion anytime soon is spent shitfood grease here in the usa
[01:23:20] <tigerdog> clean up at the local plastic surgeon's liposuction clinic
[01:23:22] <CIA-5> mmu_man * r28061 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/platform/atari_m68k/platform.cpp: Timer & RTC code
[01:23:33] <helf2> hey, i happen to like some of that shitfood
[01:23:42] <tigerdog> well, time to take the kid to hockey.
[01:23:43] <helf2> anyways
[01:23:46] <tigerdog> see y'all later
[01:23:46] <helf2> cya tigerdog
[01:23:49] <ddew|bofh> tata
[01:23:53] <helf2> I cant wait to get it running :)
[01:23:56] * tigerdog wags tail at his Haiku friends
[01:23:57] <helf2> I have grand plans for it
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[01:24:03] <ddew|bofh> hehe
[01:24:26] <helf2> 40+ mpg with mostly free fuel = wooo :)
[01:24:28] <ddew|bofh> aw man, this is annoying. cleaning espressomakers really kill the taste
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[01:25:24] <ddew|bofh> i'm pondering doing some engine work on my smart
[01:25:35] <helf2> i forgot you bought a smart
[01:26:07] <helf2> they arent growing on me
[01:26:08] <ddew|bofh> mostly mior things though, like opening up the air intake a bit and whatnot
[01:26:22] <helf2> I get annoyed when im stuck behind one. people here drive them like morons
[01:26:29] <ddew|bofh> problem is that i gotta be careful so i don't lose my free parking
[01:26:36] <helf2> and i feel like my tank of a van will crush them if i dont stop fast enough
[01:26:44] <ddew|bofh> of course they do, smarts in the us are _slow_
[01:26:53] <helf2> which i dont understand
[01:26:59] <CIA-5> anevilyak * r28062 /haiku/trunk/src/tools/makebootable/platform/bios_ia32/Jamfile: Fix build of tool version of makebootable on Haiku.
[01:27:03] <helf2> my country is so screwed up
[01:27:09] <ddew|bofh> indeed
[01:27:15] <helf2> and why cant they make a little car that doesnt look retarded that gets good mpg?
[01:27:23] <helf2> i like golfs, for instance
[01:27:28] <ddew|bofh> but one thing is pretty cool, they're insanely crashproof given their size
[01:27:33] <helf2> but we have the "yaris" and the other hideous hatch..
[01:27:37] <helf2> oh yeah, the honda fit
[01:27:40] <AnEvilYak> I like the yaris :(
[01:27:51] <ddew|bofh> i've seen footage from ncap tests where they drove a smart at 100mph into a concrete wall
[01:27:58] <helf2> yeah, they will survive a crash that will squish your innards just from innertia ;P
[01:28:01] <ddew|bofh> the yaris is THE DEVIL
[01:28:12] <helf2> inertia
[01:28:13] <ddew|bofh> god i hate that car
[01:28:21] <AnEvilYak> why?
[01:28:26] <helf2> I dont like the hatches that are chopped
[01:28:41] <ddew|bofh> they're crap to drive, uncomfortable and plain annoying
[01:28:45] <helf2> the smart is kinda cool, though. i dont mind it too much :)
[01:28:47] <AnEvilYak> uh....
[01:28:53] <AnEvilYak> I beg to differ on both of those points
[01:29:02] <helf2> he stated 3 :P
[01:29:08] <AnEvilYak> plain annoying is subjective heh
[01:29:12] <ddew|bofh> heh
[01:29:28] <AnEvilYak> unless the euro one's severely crippled somehow, I don't know how you get "crap to drive, uncomfortable"
[01:29:35] <ddew|bofh> i've driven one for a few thousand miles, i think my opinion is justified
[01:29:53] <helf2> AnEvilYak:  I thouht they were cramped, the one time i rode in one
[01:30:09] <helf2> so is the vibe
[01:30:15] <AnEvilYak> helf2: that's funny, everybody I know, myself included is always incredibly surprised by how much legroom it has for its size
[01:30:17] <helf2> which is funny since i dont think my rabbit is cramped
[01:30:23] <AnEvilYak> helf2: my cowoerker at work that's 6'8 fit into it np
[01:30:24] <helf2> leg room isnt everything
[01:30:29] <CIA-5> stippi * r28063 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/deskbar/ (4 files): (log message trimmed)
[01:30:29] <CIA-5> zooey + stippi:
[01:30:29] <CIA-5> Reimplemented the drag message over the team entries dragging. The previous
[01:30:29] <CIA-5> implementation used the menu bar tracking by faking a B_MOUSE_DOWN event. The
[01:30:29] <CIA-5> problem was that in Haiku menus are always sticky and therefor the tracking
[01:30:30] <CIA-5> thread was not exited when the user released the mouse (which was supposed to
[01:30:34] <CIA-5> trigger the drop event in the Deskbar). The new implementation follows the
[01:30:36] <helf2> it can have lots of leg room and stil lfeel cramped :)
[01:30:42] <ddew|bofh> if you want leg room you should get a smart :P
[01:30:50] <AnEvilYak> I've been in a smart
[01:30:54] <AnEvilYak> I have more leg room in my yaris
[01:31:00] <helf2> I've seen photographic evidence :P
[01:31:02] <ddew|bofh> my mate who's 200 cms long sits comfortable in it
[01:31:06] <AnEvilYak> and the smarts over here suck ass, as was pointed out
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[01:31:13] <anarchos> hmm
[01:31:19] <AnEvilYak> ddew|bofh: 6'8 = ~200cm as well
[01:31:27] <anarchos> thinking of buying a netbook.  think i'll go with the aspire one
[01:31:34] <ddew|bofh> anarchos: good choice
[01:31:37] <pyCube> i wouldnt spent money on any new car really..
[01:31:39] <ddew|bofh> get the windows one
[01:31:51] <pyCube> it was hard enough for me to buy my current family car
[01:32:05] <anarchos> yeah im thinking the 6 cell, 160gb, winxp black model
[01:32:27] <ddew|bofh> anarchos: the linux version is just crippled
[01:32:41] <AnEvilYak> plus the smart over here requires 93 octane
[01:33:00] <helf2> ew
[01:33:05] <AnEvilYak> despite having one hell of a crippled engine
[01:33:07] <helf2> whats the compression ratio on that thing?
[01:33:08] <anarchos> ddew|bofh: howso?
[01:33:11] <helf2> 13:1?
[01:33:15] <AnEvilYak> helf2: dunno
[01:33:16] <ddew|bofh> anarchos: ssd
[01:33:32] <AnEvilYak> so yeah, color me unimpressed by the US rev of the smart
[01:33:33] <anarchos> oh
[01:33:36] <ddew|bofh> AnEvilYak: driving it on 93 us octane has got to be painful
[01:33:44] <helf2> ...
[01:33:51] <helf2> there you go wit hthe euro octane snobbishness
[01:33:55] <AnEvilYak> ddew|bofh: you realize 93 US is higher grade fule than 93 europe, yes?
[01:33:57] <AnEvilYak> fuel*
[01:34:23] <AnEvilYak> US uses R+M/2 for the octane measurement, not just Ron
[01:34:31] <helf2> ddew: 93 here is 98 for you
[01:34:32] <helf2> goober
[01:34:37] <helf2> the numbers are derived differently
[01:34:50] <ddew|bofh> you kidding me? i figured it was the other way around
[01:34:57] <helf2> no
[01:34:57] <AnEvilYak> no, I'm not kidding
[01:35:02] <ddew|bofh> and fuck! running a cat with 98 :O
[01:35:03] <helf2> It annoys me :P
[01:35:39] <helf2> 91 octane here is 95.5 RON
[01:36:05] <ddew|bofh> i run the smart on 91 and that's just fine
[01:36:35] <AnEvilYak> well, the smart in the US is sold as premium fuel only, in the US premium = 92/93 octane R+M/2
[01:37:00] <ddew|bofh> aw man
[01:37:04] <helf2> ddew : 87 us is 91 RON
[01:37:08] <helf2> so you run on pee like me
[01:37:09] <helf2> ha ha
[01:37:10] <helf2> :P
[01:37:20] <ddew|bofh> hells no, we don't even have 91 RON here
[01:37:26] <ddew|bofh> i meant 95.5RON
[01:37:31] <ddew|bofh> so 91 US
[01:37:36] <helf2> ah
[01:37:41] <helf2> :P
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[01:37:48] <helf2> whats your lowest?
[01:37:50] <helf2> 93?
[01:38:04] <ddew|bofh> 95
[01:38:25] <helf2> ah ok
[01:38:35] * AnEvilYak shrugs
[01:38:37] <ddew|bofh> and that's all we really need, the 98 unleaded in our pumps is just for ancient cars
[01:38:42] <AnEvilYak> if it were me I'd happily live without a car entirely
[01:38:56] <AnEvilYak> but around here that's pretty much impossible
[01:39:22] <ddew|bofh> i'm looking forward to the day when electric cars become viable
[01:39:28] <helf2> i am too, actually
[01:39:32] <pyCube> i am going motorcycle as my next step towards to no car
[01:39:37] <ddew|bofh> i'd switch in a heartbeat even today if i could afford it
[01:39:41] <helf2> yeah
[01:39:45] <helf2> ive love to be pure electric
[01:39:55] <helf2> more torque and hp
[01:39:56] <helf2> :)
[01:40:15] <ddew|bofh> not so much because of the whole enviroment, global warming hippie propaganda but because electric engines rock
[01:40:37] <pyCube> hippie propaganda?
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[01:41:22] <ddew|bofh> yeah, hippie propaganda.
[01:41:38] <CIA-5> mmu_man * r28064 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/icon-o-matic/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
[01:41:43] <ddew|bofh> spelling might be off, there's possibly an h somewhere in there but i'm not sure
[01:41:44] <pyCube> whats the alterior motive of this propaganda?
[01:42:02] <ddew|bofh> pyCube: don't know, don't care
[01:42:12] <AnEvilYak> so why call it propaganda?
[01:42:14] <helf2> TO PUNISH THE OIL BARRONS
[01:42:56] <ddew|bofh> AnEvilYak: just because i'm not interested in their motives doesn't they don't have any
[01:43:02] <ddew|bofh> *doesn't mean
[01:43:10] <AnEvilYak> ddew|bofh: and if you think it's only hippies then you're severely deluding yourself
[01:43:21] <AnEvilYak> ddew|bofh: unless hippies now includes the vast majority of the global scientific community
[01:43:43] <ddew|bofh> well here's the thing, i don't mean literally hippies. i mean hippies as in a derogatory term
[01:43:55] <AnEvilYak> in other words
[01:44:08] <AnEvilYak> "la la la la, I don't like what I'm hearing so I'm going to character assassinate these people"
[01:44:15] <ddew|bofh> not really
[01:44:22] <AnEvilYak> no? then justify that
[01:44:40] <CIA-5> mmu_man * r28065 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/icon-o-matic/import_export/styled_text/StyledTextImporter.h: Fix Haiku build.
[01:44:47] <ddew|bofh> justify to whom?
[01:45:00] <mmu_man> now you can make ugly icons with text easily :D
[01:45:10] <ddew|bofh> heh
[01:45:15] <AnEvilYak> why is it hippie propaganda?
[01:45:26] <helf2> afternoon, mmu_man :)
[01:45:27] <pyCube> whats the secret agenda?
[01:45:43] <pyCube> the statented agenda seems clear
[01:45:48] <pyCube> stated
[01:46:05] <pyCube> "lets not live in a trashcan if we dont have to"
[01:46:37] <ddew|bofh> not quite, i'm more annoyed with the spouting of inconclusive evidence as fact
[01:46:39] <CIA-5> axeld * r28066 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * Added a handy BDiskSystem::SupportsWriting().
[01:46:52] <AnEvilYak> uhh
[01:46:59] <AnEvilYak> who says it's inconclusive, other than the oil companies?
[01:47:08] <ddew|bofh> mostly researchers
[01:48:03] <ddew|bofh> don't get me wrong, i'm not in any way defending the oil industry. i'd love to see alternative fuels
[01:48:13] <ddew|bofh> if anything it makes for a cleaner air
[01:48:19] <CIA-5> axeld * r28067 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/tracker/AutoMounter.cpp:
[01:48:19] <CIA-5> * The Tracker now makes use of the new B_DISK_SYSTEM_SUPPORTS_WRITING flag,
[01:48:19] <CIA-5>  and will only show the "mount me read-only?" dialog when the file system
[01:48:19] <CIA-5>  actually supports writing in the first place.
[01:48:28] <pyCube> so some people get carried away and say stupid shit.. whats new? their statements dont un-deforest land and un-fill the sky with crap
[01:49:00] <CIA-5> axeld * r28068 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/disk_device_manager/ddm_userland_interface.cpp: * Registering a file device now also normalizes the path now.
[01:49:01] <helf2> thats another thing that annoys me
[01:49:08] <helf2> planting trees does little to get rid of carbon
[01:49:11] <helf2> all it does it store it
[01:49:16] <helf2> and not even very efficiently
[01:49:37] <pyCube> right.. so i guess we should just fill burn more oil
[01:49:50] <pyCube> un, no fill
[01:49:51] <pyCube> hehe
[01:49:53] <helf2> heh
[01:50:00] <CIA-5> axeld * r28069 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/mountvolume.cpp:
[01:50:00] <CIA-5> * Added mounting of file devices by path (they are tried as a fallback when
[01:50:01] <CIA-5>  mounting by name failed).
[01:50:01] <CIA-5> * Also left some TODO comments in the code.
[01:50:02] <ddew|bofh> because depending on a finite supply of energy is a good choice?
[01:50:28] <helf2> i just hate people that claim to be all green by "planting trees to offset their carbon emissions"
[01:50:43] <pyCube> who cares?
[01:50:51] <pyCube> thats kinda silly
[01:50:55] <helf2> apparently not you
[01:50:58] <helf2> about anything
[01:51:02] <helf2> :)
[01:51:33] <ddew|bofh> the whole offestting carbon emissions idea is just retarded, carbon emissions is like the least of our worries :)
[01:51:54] <pyCube> other people doing whatever.. however hlpful, worth while, idiotic, retard, etc.. no of that has any bearing on the obviously destructive pratices peple aev been engaged in
[01:52:21] <pyCube> any bearing on the real/not reallness of it, that is
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[01:52:36] <helf2> I wish they could get them to stop with the rain forest destruction
[01:52:46] <helf2> the amazon is going to be gone in 50 years at the current rate
[01:52:47] <ddew|bofh> instead of focusing on real issues, such as killing fellow humans we'll focus on a hippie feel good problem
[01:52:56] <helf2> and that has grave implications for medical fields, among others
[01:53:35] <pyCube> it comes down to how much you are willing to give up/change
[01:53:56] <mmu_man> zzz
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[01:54:20] <helf2> ive already given up most things
[01:54:28] <helf2> i have my car
[01:54:33] <helf2> and um, very few electronics
[01:54:41] <helf2> and i try to use recyclable materials
[01:54:45] <ddew|bofh> haha, i love the us. in what other country can someone attempt to sue someone for 2.8 trillion dollars?
[01:54:49] <helf2> most of tihs stuff isnt hard to do :)
[01:54:51] <pyCube> i mean the expectation of things like being able to score a fat burger damn near anywhere at any time
[01:54:57] <helf2> ddew|bofh:  anywhere
[01:55:00] <helf2> they might get laughed at though
[01:55:22] <helf2> pyCube:  whats wrong with that?
[01:55:30] <helf2> not hte burger joints fault people cant control themselves :)
[01:55:34] <pyCube> depends on what you mean
[01:55:45] <pyCube> nothing is wrong with it
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[01:55:49] <ddew|bofh> yeah, god forbid people should have a choice of what to eat and when to eat it
[01:55:54] <pyCube> it being liking/wanting burgers
[01:56:04] <helf2> i like and want burgers.. :)
[01:56:07] <helf2> i wuv burgers
[01:56:09] <ddew|bofh> it's better to have government rations handed out at set times each day in designated eating areas
[01:56:10] <pyCube> me too
[01:56:43] <helf2> people bitch about the methane produced by dairies and the like. figure out a cheap way to filter it from the atmosphere. hey! lots of energy :)
[01:57:03] <pyCube> but at what cost? if it means clearing rainforests and displacing people, i am not sure i like that
[01:57:25] <ddew|bofh> there's already people doing the whole methane fuel thing to support the maintenance of their farms
[01:57:29] <helf2> farming methane shouldnt have anything to do with the rain forest
[01:57:42] <ddew|bofh> it's actually really effective even on smaller setups
[01:57:45] <helf2> ddew|bofh: ah, cool. they used it to great effect in barter town, too ;)
[01:57:53] <ddew|bofh> heh
[01:58:02] <pyCube> i am all for using our brains to figure out how to have all the cool shit we have but in a more sane way
[01:58:19] <ddew|bofh> seriously, we're talking a 100% self reliant place simply by using the methane
[01:58:25] <helf2> yeah... people dont put much thought into the consequences of things
[01:58:31] <ddew|bofh> the problem is that the initial setup cost is fuck expensive
[01:58:32] <helf2> ddew|bofh:  thats awesome
[01:59:58] <ddew|bofh> people need to start putting more trust into what smart people can accomplish :P
[02:00:40] <helf2> they wont :p
[02:00:50] <ddew|bofh> sadly not :)
[02:00:59] <ddew|bofh> but one can dream :P
[02:02:29] <helf2> hehe
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[02:16:35] <helf2> hey matt
[02:16:59] <ddew|bofh> hmm, i need a cnc
[02:17:05] <ddew|bofh> and a lathe
[02:18:04] <helf2> thats not too expensive
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[02:18:16] <anarchos> hmm
[02:18:26] <ddew|bofh> heh, i can get a job as a cad designer and a cnc operator. hoping i could use the cnc during off hours :P
[02:18:51] <AnEvilYak> cnc?
[02:19:07] <Dane_> does anyone know if there's development happening on a flash player for Haiku?
[02:19:14] <ddew|bofh> even if price isn't an issue i doubt they'd like me installing one in my one room apartment :P
[02:19:29] <ddew|bofh> AnEvilYak: computer controlled milling machine
[02:19:46] <AnEvilYak> ah
[02:19:58] <anarchos> intel atom 330 (dual core 1.6) can decode 1080p h.264
[02:20:25] <anarchos> now...all that is needed is a mini-itx board with that cpu and also has hdmi out (or dvi)
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[02:20:41] <ddew|bofh> does the gma950 support hardware decoding of 264?
[02:20:47] <DeadYak> nope.
[02:20:52] <ddew|bofh> damn
[02:21:06] <DeadYak> the gma950's fairly bottom of the barrel
[02:21:08] <anarchos> that's without using hardware
[02:21:09] <anarchos> just cpu
[02:21:14] <ddew|bofh> not that it'd matter much though, my screen is too small for even 720p :P
[02:21:52] <anarchos> the intel D945GCLF2 would be PERFECT, except no DVI/HDMI output :(
[02:22:24] <ddew|bofh> why not get something that handles h.264 in hardware?
[02:22:45] <ddew|bofh> if you just want a media player i can totally recommend the netgear eva8000
[02:22:50] <anarchos> ddew|bofh: from what i've found hardware support isn't very good (only windows, etc)
[02:23:03] <ddew|bofh> handles 1080p 264 with hdmi passthrough
[02:23:16] <ddew|bofh> ah, you want it as a haiku machine
[02:24:05] <anarchos> yea, or linux
[02:24:23] <anarchos> basically a homebrew media centre, for dirt cheap :P
[02:24:31] <ddew|bofh> heh
[02:24:45] <ddew|bofh> the atom is an excellent choice for that
[02:24:55] <anarchos> if the intel board had dvi, i could slap in some ram for $20 and a hdd for $30 or 40, and bet set
[02:24:59] <anarchos> well and a case/psu
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[02:25:12] <anarchos> but under $200 for sure, for a kick ass little media centre pc
[02:25:41] <ddew|bofh> a dvd/bluray would be3 a nice addition too
[02:25:45] <ddew|bofh> *be
[02:26:05] <ddew|bofh> and a decent soundcard
[02:26:19] <anarchos> yea
[02:26:47] <anarchos> they have a pcie slot
[02:26:48] <helf2> i wish Intel would put out a board that didnt use that retardedly power hungry chipset for the atom
[02:26:50] <ddew|bofh> hdmi 1.3 is teh shiznit
[02:28:32] <ddew|bofh> dts passthrough is a must imo for a media center
[02:28:43] <mmadia> hi helf2
[02:29:53] <mmadia> anarchos have you heard of xbox media center?  xbmc.org
[02:30:36] <anarchos> mmadia: that's what i had in mind :D
[02:31:14] <anarchos> i suppose i could get a cheap video card to use in the pcie slot
[02:31:26] <anarchos> that has dvi or hdmi
[02:31:39] <mmadia> there's a recent thread in the linux forum,  detailing a minimal install of Ubuntu
[02:31:58] <mmadia> http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=38804   : D
[02:33:49] <ddew|bofh> hmm, doesn'
[02:34:00] <ddew|bofh> doesn't support mkv properly by the looks of it
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[02:50:03] <ddew|bofh> hmm, i was thinking. is 25 too old of an age to start thinking about about getting a mechanical engineering degree?
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[02:51:06] <DeadYak> I've known people much older than that who got one
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[02:51:50] <ddew|bofh> i've always been under the impression that education is for the "young" people :P
[02:52:03] <ddew|bofh> like straight out of college
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[02:52:27] <DeadYak> well, I dunno how the culture is over there, but there was a guy in his late 40s in my computer science courses here when  I was going to college
[02:52:51] <ddew|bofh> interesting, so it might not be too late for me to get a degree then
[02:53:34] <ddew|bofh> that's what bummed me out the most about getting injured in my late teens, not being able to educate myself
[02:53:57] <DeadYak> what happened?
[02:54:20] <ddew|bofh> some guy tried to kill me by stomping repetedly in my face
[02:54:25] <DeadYak> :o
[02:54:32] <DeadYak> dare I ask?
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[02:54:47] <ddew|bofh> i don't mind, i just don't wanna bum people out :)
[02:55:04] <DeadYak> I'm just scared to ask how that came about
[02:55:31] <ddew|bofh> i'm half-greek and a pretty vocal against racism. my "opponent" was a skinhead with more brawn than brains
[02:55:53] <DeadYak> ah
[02:56:05] <ddew|bofh> when he realized that he was outwitted by a drunk teen he retorted to what he knew best, ass-kicking
[03:00:01] <mmadia> ... i was about to ask how to "exit" from KDL
[03:00:13] <DeadYak> continue
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[03:00:28] <mmadia> oh,  "exit" worked just as well
[03:00:28] <DeadYak> assuming you're not playing KDL hangman :)
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[03:03:57] * ddew|bofh ponders giving haiku on the aspire one more go
[03:04:13] <ddew|bofh> for some reason usb-booting broke on it in the past few days
[03:04:52] <DeadYak> can you pin down a revision on that?
[03:05:15] <ddew|bofh> sadly not
[03:06:08] <ddew|bofh> since getting the image on to a usb stick takes the better part of an hour doing random testing of 50 revisions looks annoying
[03:06:35] <ddew|bofh> i'm browsing through the svn logs to see if anything related to it sticks out
[03:09:24] <DeadYak> the only thing I can think of offhand is the one with respect to no media present but iirc that was card readers, so I'm not sure that'd affect usb boot directly
[03:10:20] 
[03:10:48] <DeadYak> that's possible, true
[03:11:30] <ddew|bofh> doing an "svn up && jam -q haiku-image" now to see if it's fixed
[03:13:01] <ddew|bofh> hopefully disabling one core in bootman will fix the network trouble too
[03:13:22] <DeadYak> try -aq
[03:13:41] <mmadia> what's the -a do?
[03:13:46] <ddew|bofh> rebuild all
[03:13:47] <DeadYak> forces a rebuild of all targets
[03:13:53] <DeadYak> whether or not jam thinks they'd need it
[03:14:02] <ddew|bofh> i usually only use a if the build fails for some reason
[03:14:07] <DeadYak> basically ensures that something's not out of date due to a stale dependency
[03:14:18] <DeadYak> which can happen since things in the build sys get changed now and then
[03:14:47] <ddew|bofh> wish jam handled multicore better
[03:14:55] <ddew|bofh> well, smp
[03:15:00] <DeadYak> Ingo usually uses -j2
[03:16:12] <ddew|bofh> it worrks for me when i'm just updating the build but not when doing a full rebuild
[03:16:22] <helf2> your mom usually used -OOOOOOO
[03:16:24] <helf2> ^_^
[03:16:33] <ddew|bofh> *badadish*
[03:16:40] * DeadYak slaps helf
[03:16:47] <helf2> :P
[03:16:58] <ddew|bofh> my mind was compile using -O4
[03:17:11] <ddew|bofh> works really well most of the time but occasionally fails hard
[03:22:36] <helf2> I like seeing download estimates that say "1y23w5d"
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[03:42:19] <AlienSoldier> anyone have a "fixed" tubepositive that work?
[03:48:42] <ddew|bofh> heh, aspire one boots fine from usb now.
[03:50:22] <ddew|bofh> although the recent acpi changes crap out when when shutting down
[03:57:30] <anarchos> ddew|bofh: nice.  i think im going to pull the trigger on one
[03:57:48] <anarchos> cant be long until all it's hardware is supported, right? ;)
[03:57:57] <ddew|bofh> hehe, hopefully
[03:58:06] <ddew|bofh> the nic still locks up the machine
[03:59:42] <ddew|bofh> once that works the machine will be perfect for haiku
[04:00:18] <AlienSoldier> then massive in store installation vendalism :P
[04:00:32] <anarchos> what about wifi
[04:00:40] <ddew|bofh> no workie
[04:00:51] <ddew|bofh> haiku has no wifi at all afaik
[04:01:08] <anarchos> oh :(
[04:01:08] <ddew|bofh> well there's an intel driver in the repo but i doubt it works
[04:01:32] <anarchos> wifi is important because i have no other method of connecting :P
[04:01:39] <ddew|bofh> heh
[04:02:25] <anarchos> so audio/video though
[04:02:26] <ddew|bofh> my apartment is a mess filled with switches and cat5 :)
[04:02:39] <ddew|bofh> audio works somewhat, video's fully supported
[04:02:46] * anarchos lives in a building with supplied wifi.  no cat5 anywhere :P
[04:03:07] * ddew|bofh huggles his cat5e wiring
[04:03:21] <mmadia> anarchos what about a bridge?
[04:03:42] <anarchos> i remember the good old days.  i wired up my parents house with cat5e.  i had 4 in-wall ports in my room :D
[04:04:01] <anarchos> mmadia: could work. wifi->ethernet
[04:04:08] <ddew|bofh> heh, in wall wiring. newfangled boondoggles
[04:04:30] <anarchos> i had like 15 in wall ports throughout the house
[04:04:44] * helf2 hugs his 10mbit network over 4 wire rj11
[04:04:59] <anarchos> fourtunately the house layout made it very easy
[04:05:07] <anarchos> took like 4-5 hours
[04:05:39] <ddew|bofh> that's a disadvantage of living in an old apartment. 3dm thick concrete walls
[04:06:20] <ddew|bofh> or 2dm, haven't measured :P
[04:07:02] <AlienSoldier> ddew|bofh video fully supported? axeld finished overlay support?
[04:07:47] <helf2> just run a network over your power cabling
[04:07:57] <helf2> iirc, you can do 100mbit
[04:08:02] <helf2> get some cheap filters
[04:08:47] <ddew|bofh> AlienSoldier: haven't tried overlay tbh, but the rest works as advertised
[04:09:08] <geist> helf2: yeah? that actually works?
[04:09:12] <AlienSoldier> as not seen on tv
[04:09:25] <geist> i'd love to bridge mynetwork to the garage and move my servers out there
[04:09:31] <geist> but i have no good way to run ethernet to it
[04:09:33] <ddew|bofh> ethernet over powerlines is slow
[04:09:56] <helf2> they have in house units, ddew|bofh
[04:10:00] <helf2> lemme dig it up
[04:10:53] <DeadYak> geist: how far from your switch to your garage?
[04:11:21] <geist> dunno, maybe 30 feet
[04:11:31] <ddew|bofh> i get nervous when i see statements like "speed up to 189mbits"
[04:11:42] <geist> it might be on the other power grid though
[04:11:46] <ddew|bofh> up to usually means that you're lucky to get even half the rated speed
[04:11:59] <DeadYak> geist: tried using a pair of 11g APs in bridge mode?
[04:12:03] <geist> it's clear this place is hooked up as 2 taps off a tri phase power line
[04:12:09] <geist> so it's possible to be on the other phase
[04:12:25] <geist> in which case i'd assume it's not connected at all
[04:12:50] <DeadYak> that's what I do here to avoid having to string eth cable all over the place
[04:13:07] <helf2> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2554182&CatId=211
[04:13:12] <geist> well it's pretty moot, since what i want to do is move my file servers out there
[04:13:12] <helf2> up to 200mbps apparently
[04:13:17] <geist> so i'd need fast connections
[04:13:30] <ddew|bofh> helf2: yeah "up to"
[04:13:30] <DeadYak> geist: what kind of link do you have there?
[04:13:33] <helf2> other companies make them
[04:13:40] <geist> gigabit
[04:13:45] <ddew|bofh> helf2: which usually means lucky to get 50% of rated speed
[04:13:47] <DeadYak> geist: to inet? :o
[04:13:58] <geist> oh no, that's just a cablemodem
[04:14:02] <geist> but i mean the internal file server
[04:14:07] <helf2> ddew|bofh:  50% would be 100mbit
[04:14:09] <DeadYak> ah
[04:14:10] <DeadYak> fair enough
[04:14:11] <helf2> most home networks are that :P
[04:14:27] <helf2> BUT, with the power ones, you'd have to make sure that the lines in hte house are all connected right
[04:14:29] <ddew|bofh> anything less than 500mbps and i go nuts
[04:14:36] <helf2> and no going through seperate breaker boxes or whatever
[04:14:42] <helf2> whiny
[04:14:44] <helf2> spoiled
[04:14:46] <helf2> :P
[04:14:49] <helf2> im on 100mbit
[04:14:55] <helf2> my home internet is only 15mbit
[04:14:57] <ddew|bofh> i transfer huge amounts of data over the network :P
[04:15:06] <geist> s/data/porn
[04:15:09] <helf2> hehe
[04:15:14] <helf2> s/porn/horse porn
[04:15:16] <helf2> own up
[04:15:34] <geist> man, they're *big*
[04:15:42] <ddew|bofh> actually NAS where i store video to be mixed and raw audio
[04:15:45] <AlienSoldier> quadHD 3D porn?
[04:16:07] <geist> yah, same here. my nas box is teh center of the universe
[04:16:11] <helf2> anyways, geist, its $120 for the two units. might be worth it to play with
[04:16:20] <geist> yep
[04:16:40] <helf2> i dont do enough computing at home that requires more than a 100mbit network
[04:16:49] <helf2> i have a bunch of hard drives in my PC for storage :P
[04:17:10] <geist> there's also my beowulf cluster of ps3s i swiped from work
[04:17:33] <DeadYak> seriously?
[04:17:38] <helf2> really?
[04:17:39] <geist> heh, no
[04:17:56] <geist> though i have seen enough arms lately that i could probably put one together
[04:18:13] <helf2> heh
[04:18:41] <ddew|bofh> doing a core2 cluster doesn't look too tricky
[04:18:41] <geist> just like broken devices, main boards with no casing
[04:18:50] <geist> most would power off usb directly
[04:18:54] <ddew|bofh> s/tricky/expensive/
[04:19:01] <geist> so you could get a machine, attach 128 arm cpus
[04:19:17] <helf2> usb2 isnt very fast
[04:19:28] <helf2> and isnt hte latency pretty high? specially with that many devices
[04:19:32] <helf2> and isnt hte limit 127?
[04:19:43] <helf2> i just did the same typo twice
[04:19:44] <helf2> wow
[04:19:49] <geist> yes, 127, latency is fine, troughput would be a little grody
[04:20:06] <geist> but that's why you put together a cluster right? each one doesn't have to do that much
[04:20:30] <geist> and anyway, that's 127 for a single bus
[04:20:35] <helf2> ah
[04:20:41] <geist> though i guess the host would run out of ids after 127
[04:20:50] <geist> so i suspect you can only put 127 on all busses of a host
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[04:21:15] <geist> in theory each bus is independent, but i betcha most host stacks dont keep twolevel of ids
[04:22:11] <AlienSoldier> Unbeleivable Stupid Bus
[04:22:28] <geist> *shrug* i find it to be okay
[04:22:40] <geist> but i got mad usb skillz, so i'm down with it
[04:22:52] <helf2> heh
[04:23:07] <geist> just working on another usb client stack yesterday
[04:23:15] <geist> will probably get it checked into my lk project today or so
[04:23:20] <AlienSoldier> as an originally intended input thing, it was ok, but universal it's not
[04:23:36] <geist> like many things there are good and bad implementations
[04:23:43] <geist> it's relatively hard to do a good implementation
[04:25:37] <helf2> ive seen awesome abuses of the old ADB bus :P
[04:26:35] <helf2> ADB apparently pumps out enough voltage to run usb devices. so 5v .5a it seems...
[04:28:55] <adb> hwo , me ? is not me sory
[04:29:46] <DeadYak> haha
[04:29:48] * geist charges off of adb
[04:31:26] <helf2> lol
[04:32:38] <mmadia> that's worse than people autotabbing me for mmu_man
[04:33:38] <helf2> heh
[04:39:40] <AlienSoldier> the microsoft way to fix this would be a panel: "are you sure you autotabed that name?"
[04:40:44] <AlienSoldier> ... please upgrade to autotabing 7.3, only 60MB
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[05:01:23] * umccullough doesn't have many ADB devices left
[05:02:13] <umccullough> just a couple apple keyboards and mice :)
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[05:03:14] <ddew|bofh> i have three sets of kbd and mice using adb but only one mac capable of using them :)
[05:03:24] <umccullough> heh
[05:03:32] <umccullough> i have two macs, but only one that works :P
[05:03:35] <umccullough> and it's an SE
[05:03:36] <ddew|bofh> for some reason i always end up with tons of useless crap
[05:03:58] <ddew|bofh> i have boxed set with a sun5 keyboard and optical mouse here
[05:04:05] <umccullough> actually, i don't even know if it still works, been in the closet now for a couple years
[05:04:05] <ddew|bofh> but no suns :P
[05:04:23] <umccullough> the LC3 is toast still
[05:04:29] <umccullough> leaky caps
[05:04:36] * umccullough hates leaky caps, especially SMT
[05:05:11] <ddew|bofh> i've been meaning to fix the battery in my macintosh but it requires a special torx wrench and a case cracking tool
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[05:43:12] <umccullough> no case-cracking tool needed :)
[05:43:19] <umccullough> just the torx wrench
[05:43:27] * umccullough has one
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[07:25:33] <Begasus> moin
[07:25:53] * DeadYak pets Begasus
[07:26:07] <Begasus> meep
[07:26:17] <Begasus> 'lo DeadYak
[07:26:35] <DeadYak> how goes?
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[07:27:17] <Begasus> can't complain myself thnx
[07:27:28] <Begasus> work is aa bit slow lately but further then that ;)
[07:27:34] <DeadYak> ditto, almost time for bed
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[09:31:56] <CIA-5> jackburton * r28070 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/network/rtl81xx/pci/glue.c: also rename the device from 're' to 'rtl81xx'
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[10:37:42] <CIA-5> axeld * r28071 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/bfs/BlockAllocator.cpp: (log message trimmed)
[10:37:42] <CIA-5> Squashed a TODO in the block allocator:
[10:37:42] <CIA-5> * BlockAllocator::AllocateBlocks() was implemented pretty crappy: instead of
[10:37:42] <CIA-5>  just remembering the best run on the first pass, it made a second pass through
[10:37:42] <CIA-5>  all allocation groups when it couldn't fulfill the maximum request.
[10:37:45] <CIA-5> * Even worse, it would then also only allocate the first run that satisied the
[10:37:47] <CIA-5>  minimum request. Now, it will always choose the best allocation, leading to
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[10:40:11] <CIA-5> mmu_man * r28072 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/icon-o-matic/import_export/styled_text/StyledTextImporter.cpp:
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[11:18:30] <CIA-5> jackburton * r28073 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/deskbar/ (BarView.cpp BarView.h): no need to use private libbe variables anymore
[11:39:22] <CIA-5> mmu_man * r28074 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/icon-o-matic/import_export/styled_text/StyledTextImporter.cpp:
[11:39:22] <CIA-5> /me pets Humdinger
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[12:10:38] <CIA-5> mmu_man * r28075 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/icon-o-matic/MainWindow.cpp:
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[12:18:33] <waveshaper> I have to say it is impressive how haiku has progress the last months. I havent tried it on real hw myself due to lack of hw to test on. but looking at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSMT8cM20m0 I am stunned. congratz, Im ready to dev killer apps :p
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[12:30:53] <anarchos> wow that video's nice
[12:31:05] <anarchos> haven't used haiku on real hardware yet either
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[13:07:24] <CIA-5> mmlr * r28076 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/opengl/mesa/Jamfile:
[13:07:24] <CIA-5> Rather use UsePublicObjectHeaders instead of using USES_BE_API for the
[13:07:24] <CIA-5> gen_mattypes build tool, as the latter will try to use BeOS headers on BeOS
[13:07:24] <CIA-5> compatible host platforms and therefore breaks the build because of missing
[13:07:24] <CIA-5> files. This should work on all platforms, as with that the headers in the
[13:07:24] <CIA-5> repository are always used.
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[13:15:24] <leszek_fh> hi
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[14:52:41] <CIA-5> dlmcpaul * r28077 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/media/plugins/wav_reader/ (WavReaderPlugin.cpp WavReaderPlugin.h wav.h): pass a wave structure as meta data. avcodec needs it
[14:53:09] <CIA-5> dlmcpaul * r28078 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/media/plugins/wav_reader/WavReaderPlugin.cpp: turn off debug
[14:54:34] <CIA-5> dlmcpaul * r28079 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/media/plugins/avcodec/avcodec.cpp: get MetaData from infoBuffer parameter
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[15:15:53] <CIA-5> stippi * r28080 /haiku/trunk/headers/private/interface/utf8_functions.h: Save one check in certain situations.
[15:16:31] <CIA-5> stippi * r28081 /haiku/trunk/headers/os/interface/ScrollView.h: Updated copyright.
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[15:18:23] <CIA-5> stippi * r28082 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/drawing/Painter/Painter.cpp: Removed superfluous parenthesis.
[15:19:37] <CIA-5> stippi * r28083 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/GlyphLayoutEngine.h:
[15:19:37] <CIA-5> * Added clarifying comment.
[15:19:37] <CIA-5> * When the consumer does not want to consume a glyph, make
[15:19:37] <CIA-5>  sure the advance values are being reset before breaking out of the
[15:19:37] <CIA-5>  loop. These are used one more time after the loop.
[15:19:58] <mmu_man> hmmm I think maybe I got a funky way to get a fast system_time() on atari...
[15:20:09] <mmu_man> must check docs for the BLITTER
[15:20:25] <PulkoMandy> return TIME++; :o)
[15:20:52] <CIA-5> stippi * r28084 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ServerFont.cpp: Small indentation improvement...
[15:22:05] <mmu_man> PulkoMandy that's more lame :p
[15:22:11] <mmu_man> but I actually do that for now in the bootloader
[15:23:22] <mmu_man> hmm hmm ok no so sure it'll work the way I want, there are blankings in the video signal, means the pixel address might not have a constant rate :^)
[15:24:11] <PulkoMandy> just divide by 512 and be happy :) (except in the VBL area)
[15:24:23] <CIA-5> stippi * r28085 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/accelerants/vesa/ (accelerant_protos.h hooks.cpp): Fix some char/line limit and naming problems. No functional change.
[15:25:56] <CIA-5> stippi * r28086 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/partitioning_systems/intel/write_support.cpp: Added a TODO, because I spotted a problem when moving partitions.
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[15:28:20] <Teknomancer> hi Haiku-ers
[15:28:36] <CIA-5> stippi * r28087 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/BuildSetup: Improve indentation.
[15:28:57] <mmu_man> PulkoMandy you know the ST shifter ?
[15:28:58] <mmu_man> brb
[15:30:18] <PulkoMandy> no :)
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[15:30:40] <PulkoMandy> i only use my st to watch demos and compose some music :)
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[15:39:03] <CIA-5> stippi * r28088 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/launchbox/IconButton.cpp:
[15:39:03] <CIA-5> * Improve indentation.
[15:39:03] <CIA-5> * Use layout friendly constructor of BView.
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[16:45:55] <CIA-5> aldeck * r28089 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/tracker/ (DeskWindow.cpp DeskWindow.h): * DeskWindow wasn't checking if the context menu for the trash was already open and showing. We do it like in ContainerWindow now. Fixes #353
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[16:50:46] <duaneb> hello #haiku
[16:51:09] <DeadYak> hiya
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[17:17:08] <CIA-5> mmlr * r28090 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/acpi/oshaiku.c: (log message trimmed)
[17:17:08] <CIA-5> * Fix syslog output, dprintf doesn't take a va_list. This caused junk to be
[17:17:08] <CIA-5>  written on load of the ACPI module.
[17:17:08] <CIA-5> * Fix waiting for a semaphore. It didn't ever use the timeout because it missed
[17:17:08] <CIA-5>  the B_RELATIVE_TIMEOUT and the timeout value would've been wrong as well
[17:17:11] <CIA-5>  since it didn't convert from milli- to microseconds.
[17:17:13] <CIA-5> * Do away with the hack of not actually using spinlocks because it apparently
[17:19:16] <CIA-5> mmlr * r28091 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/acpi/oshaiku.c:
[17:19:16] <CIA-5> * More cleanup, made the coding style mostly Haiku compliant, replaced space
[17:19:16] <CIA-5>  by tab indents everywhere.
[17:19:16] <CIA-5> * Remove special handling in map_physical_memory to handle page offset and
[17:19:16] <CIA-5>  length. Opposed to BeOS, Haiku does both automatically.
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[17:40:53] <mmu_man> hmm trac still down :-(
[17:49:44] <helf> morning
[17:50:56] <Teknomancer> hi helf
[17:53:22] <helf> hiya tek
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[18:15:28] <CIA-5> stippi * r28092 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Created an icon for Playground.
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[18:52:23] <leszek> re
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[19:06:08] <Monni> klus
[19:06:50] <AndrevS> hej
[19:07:07] <Monni> tjena
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[19:09:53] <Begasus> re
[19:09:57] <Begasus> kwebbel
[19:10:24] <AndrevS> :P
[19:10:44] <Monni> Begasus: I got myself a SCSI controller that weighs almost as much as my laptop ;)
[19:11:04] <Begasus> who's bying a SCSI controller these days? :P
[19:11:20] <Monni> Begasus: It came with bag of drives with ;)
[19:11:37] <Begasus> ;)
[19:11:39] <Monni> Begasus: Weighs about 10 kg or so ;)
[19:11:49] <Teknomancer> your laptop is 10 kgs ??
[19:11:50] <mmu_man>  kdebug> image
[19:11:51] <mmu_man>  loaded kernel images:
[19:11:52] <mmu_man>  0x81355ca8 (1) kernel_m68k
[19:11:52] <mmu_man>  0x81355d20 (2) usb_disk
[19:11:53] <mmu_man>  0x81355d98 (3) usb
[19:11:53] <mmu_man>  0x81355e10 (4) uhci
[19:11:54] <mmu_man>  0x81355e88 (5) silicon_image_3112
[19:12:01] <mmu_man> 0x8135d258 (13) legacy_sata
[19:12:08] <mmu_man> SATA on Falcon \o/
[19:12:11] <mmu_man> :D
[19:12:19] <Monni> Teknomancer: Dunno... But the SCSI controller came with 2x300 W redundant power supply ;)
[19:12:22] <Begasus> I rest my case ;)
[19:12:25] <Begasus> hi Teknomancer !
[19:12:29] <Begasus> 'lo mmu_man  ;)
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[19:12:38] <Begasus> still in Dusseldorf I gather?
[19:13:03] <Teknomancer> hi Begasus
[19:13:40] <CIA-5> axeld * r28093 /haiku/trunk/src/tools/vmdkimage/ (vmdkimage.cpp vmdkimage.h): (log message trimmed)
[19:13:40] <CIA-5> * Added assigning an UUID to the image written; you can either pass one via the
[19:13:40] <CIA-5>  new '-u' option, or let it generate one automatically (by building a hash over
[19:13:40] <CIA-5>  the full path of the image).
[19:13:40] <CIA-5> * This is allows you to use our images in VirtualBox without having to readd
[19:13:43] <CIA-5>  the hard drive with every rebuild.
[19:13:44] <CIA-5> * Enlarged the description section to 1024 bytes - this also prevents VirtualBox
[19:16:11] <AndrevS> So Begasus how's it back there in the south :P
[19:16:13] <Begasus> food!!
[19:16:16] <Begasus> bbl :P
[19:16:22] <Begasus> warm AndrevS :P
[19:16:30] <AndrevS> hihi
[19:16:36] <Begasus> biab ;)
[19:16:38] <AndrevS> okay
[19:16:41] <AndrevS> smakelijk :)
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[19:22:08] <CIA-5> stippi * r28094 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/launchbox/PadView.cpp: * Reworded MouseDown() to avoid all these nested conditions...
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[19:24:50] <CIA-5> stippi * r28095 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/launchbox/PadView.cpp: ... actually, "unnest" the rest of the file as well.
[19:25:12] <plfiorini> for person in people:
[19:25:22] <plfiorini>   print "Hi %s" % person
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[19:25:38] <miqlas> Hello Guys!
[19:25:51] <plfiorini> hi miqlas
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[19:26:59] <miqlas> Can somebody help to me? I want put some progress bar to my blog, but i need retrieve the data from an another webpage. I need analyze the webpage, and get the required data, i know, but i don't know, how can i make this. Somebody can help to me?
[19:27:12] <miqlas> Hello plfiorini!
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[19:40:09] <helf> thats pretty sweet
[19:40:20] <helf> I didn't realize that the digital broadcast tv supports 5.1 surround sound
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[19:45:50] <Monni> it support anything a computer can encode... it's just MPEG container with random stuff inside ;)
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[19:47:13] <helf> heh
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[19:47:17] <helf> its nifty though
[19:47:40] <helf> has information feeds like on satellite/digital cable and the like. which is nice
[19:47:43] * JonathanThompson punts helf
[19:47:49] <Monni> if I set signal amplification to maximum, I get all kinds of funny muxes... contain cellular signals etc...
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[19:48:33] <Monni> I need to register the software to actually read all those different types but I was going to do that anyways...
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[20:31:39] <CIA-5> stippi * r28096 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/launchbox/ (7 files):
[20:31:39] <CIA-5> * Implemented changing the icons size (several ones are supported from
[20:31:39] <CIA-5>  16 x 16 to 64 x 64).
[20:31:39] <CIA-5> * Changed the layout code to have dynamic padding depending on main icon size.
[20:31:39] <CIA-5> * Fixed a problem with the "Auto Raise" feature where, when the pad was along
[20:31:39] <CIA-5>  the bottom, you had to tip the top of the screen with the mouse for the pad
[20:31:43] <CIA-5>  to raise...
[20:35:14] <CIA-5> stippi * r28097 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/launchbox/IconButton.cpp:
[20:35:14] <CIA-5> Use the parent's low color, not view color for the icon background and frame
[20:35:14] <CIA-5> base color. Fixes the frame looking much too strong.
[20:39:52] <CIA-5> mmu_man * r28098 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
[20:45:26] <luroh> hmm, yesterday i noticed that vmware exited after shutting down Haiku, which was nice
[20:45:43] <DeadYak> luroh: that's probably that ACPI fix Axel made
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[20:45:51] <luroh> ah
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[20:46:19] <tqh> it worked before in vmware, but acpi wasn't included by default. And it hanged on shutdown on my real hardware.
[20:46:32] <DeadYak> tqh: after Axel's change too?
[20:46:46] <luroh> well, in the current build it doesn't exit
[20:47:12] <luroh> (vmware doesn't exit, that is)
[20:47:41] * luroh goes wabbit huntin'
[20:48:14] <tqh> DeadYak, havn't tested after Axel's change
[20:48:29] <tqh> but lets do that now :)
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[20:49:18] <DeadYak> luroh: mmlr made some ACPI changes today too
[20:49:48] <luroh> ok thanks, i'll see if i can find the commit in question
[20:50:03] <DeadYak> mmlr = 28090 28091
[20:50:37] * luroh builds 28089
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[20:54:51] <aljen> hey =)
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[20:56:58] <luroh> 089 is good, vmware still exits on shutdown
[20:57:09] <luroh> i notice that boot time in vmware has improved slightly btw
[20:57:20] <luroh> that can't be a bad thing
[20:58:11] <luroh> it reaches the red rocket quicker, probably spending less time at the disk icon
[20:58:35] <mmu_man> plop
[20:59:02] <DeadYak> luroh: try with 090?
[20:59:27] <luroh> yes, just tried, 090 is the culprit
[20:59:36] <DeadYak> time to trout mmlr :)
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[21:00:39] <tqh> DeadYak, acpi works fine on real hw as well :)
[21:00:52] * luroh breaks out a frozen trout
[21:00:54] <tqh> and that debug firefox build was nice :)
[21:01:14] <tqh> need to do a static one..
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[21:04:30] <CIA-5> stippi * r28099 /haiku/trunk/data/artwork/icons/ (Navigation_Left Navigation_Right Navigation_Up):
[21:04:30] <CIA-5> Created navigation icons/buttons. Could be used in Tracker or browsers for
[21:04:30] <CIA-5> example. One could also design them to be 3D icons like regular icons.
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[21:15:55] <mmu_man>  INIT: init ports
[21:15:55] <mmu_man>  m68k_exception_entry: time 0 vector 0x2, iframe 0x80104e0c, pc: 0x8004081e
[21:15:56] <mmu_man>  m68k_exception_entry: time 0 vector 0x2, iframe 0x80104b74, pc: 0x80053d12
[21:15:56] <mmu_man>  m68k_exception_entry: time 0 vector 0x2, iframe 0x801048dc, pc: 0x80053d12
[21:15:57] <mmu_man>  m68k_exception_entry: time 0 vector 0x2, iframe 0x80104644, pc: 0x80053d12
[21:15:58] <mmu_man>  m68k_exception_entry: time 0 vector 0x2, iframe 0x801043ac, pc: 0x80053d12
[21:15:58] <mmu_man>  CPU: Double bus fault detected !
[21:15:59] <mmu_man>  CPU: Halting
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[21:16:13] <mmu_man> we're getting there
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[21:29:56] <CIA-5> stippi * r28100 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/icon-o-matic/MainWindow.cpp: Add short cuts for changing the snapping mode.
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[21:46:08] <CIA-5> stippi * r28101 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/EventDispatcher.cpp: Whitespace cleanup.
[21:47:43] <CIA-5> stippi * r28102 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ (FontStyle.cpp FontStyle.h):
[21:47:43] <CIA-5> * Removed dead code.
[21:47:43] <CIA-5> * Fixed line lengths.
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[21:51:00] <CIA-5> mmu_man * r28103 /haiku/trunk/src/tools/vmdkimage/vmdkimage.cpp: This should fix the BeOS build. Note BeOS had read_pos() way before POSIX had any pread()...
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[22:03:28] <CIA-5> rudolfc * r28104 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/busses/ide/generic_ide_pci/generic_ide_pci.c:
[22:03:28] <CIA-5> added recognition for subclass PCI_mass_storage_other since my promise ide
[22:03:28] <CIA-5> controller Ultra133TX2 reports being one, and there are others as well. My
[22:03:28] <CIA-5> system is now booting with IDE and ATA busmanager using the promise controller,
[22:03:28] <CIA-5> and DMA works perfectly. If the addition of PCI_mass_storage_other regresses
[22:03:30] <CIA-5> booting then cardID's and manID's should be added that may report
[22:03:32] <CIA-5> PCI_mass_storage_other since otherwise certain systems are rendered unbootable.
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[22:05:53] <tqh> nice.
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[22:27:48] <CIA-5> oruizdorantes * r28105 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Styling and define module path outside the driver
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[22:33:40] <CIA-5> oruizdorantes * r28106 /haiku/trunk/headers/os/bluetooth/HCI/ (btHCI_command.h btHCI_transport.h): Add flow specificacion command. Add port names being used among the Stack.
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[22:46:48] <CIA-5> oruizdorantes * r28107 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/protocols/l2cap/ (13 files):
[22:46:48] <CIA-5> Current L2CAP code. Replying ConnectionResponses signals. The style should be
[22:46:48] <CIA-5> more acurate than my previous commits(so use this commit to correct my remaining
[22:46:48] <CIA-5> bad habits). The Code is not completed but need to commit to have a chance to go
[22:46:48] <CIA-5> on from Germany....
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[22:49:56] <CIA-5> oruizdorantes * r28108 /haiku/trunk/headers/private/bluetooth/BTCoreData.h: Header for a common kernel module to handle all BT Stack data structures. Its sources can wait...
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[22:55:07] <ThomasShirley> Hello
[22:55:10] <ThomasShirley> Whats new in Haiku?
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[23:02:12] <PulkoMandy> +++
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[23:27:39] <CIA-5> stippi * r28109 /haiku/trunk/ (60 files in 21 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[23:27:39] <CIA-5> Patch by Artur Wyszynski:
[23:27:39] <CIA-5> * Implemented BGradient, BGradientLinear, BGradientRadial,
[23:27:39] <CIA-5>  BGradientDiamond, BGradientConic and BGradientRadialFocus
[23:27:39] <CIA-5>  new Interface Kit classes.
[23:27:39] <CIA-5> * Implemented all the (AGG-based) backend necessary in
[23:27:41] <CIA-5>  the app_server to render gradients (Painter, DrawingEngine)
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[23:33:02] <Monni> bfs_control.h doesn't seem to be self-contained anymore...
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[23:38:30] <luroh> wow, some patch
[23:39:11] <luroh> good stuff coming in thick and hard
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[23:46:14] <CIA-5> mmlr * r28110 /haiku/trunk/src/tools/vmdkimage/vmdkimage.cpp: Fix build under BeOS.
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