October 13, 2008 
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October 13, 2008 [00:08:52] <oco> mmu_man : oh ! m68 port is progressing again :)[00:14:47] *** xijyca has quit IRC[00:15:34] <mmu_man> :)[00:18:37] *** qece has joined #haiku[00:21:04] <CIA-5> korli * r28010 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/protocols/unix/UnixFifo.cpp: No newline at end of file[00:22:20] <CIA-5> korli * r28011 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/media/plugins/ogg/OggReaderPlugin.h: fix a warning[00:23:52] <CIA-5> korli * r28012 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/tracker/zipomatic/GenericThread.cpp: fix a warning (return local address).[00:24:03] *** qece has quit IRC[00:26:16] *** vbmithr has quit IRC[00:26:40] *** daste has joined #haiku[00:28:27] *** TheNerd has joined #haiku[00:28:31] * dos4 tries "time jam -a -j6 haiku-image"[00:28:37] *** dos4 is now known as dr_evil[00:29:48] <dr_evil> mmu_man there is still some disk activity, despite using the hardware RAM disk[00:30:33] <dr_evil> 2 min, 14 sec[00:31:54] <mmu_man> :)[00:33:55] <dr_evil> its the fastest machine, quad core overclocked at 3 GHz.[00:34:01] <dr_evil> well, i should sleep. good night[00:34:44] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[00:37:29] *** korli_ has quit IRC[00:41:19] *** oco has quit IRC[00:43:04] <CIA-5> mmu_man * r28013 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/platform/atari_m68k/platform.cpp: Add support for using the MFP0 timer A. Not calibrated though.[00:46:59] *** daste has quit IRC[00:52:03] <CIA-5> mmu_man * r28014 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/platform/atari_m68k/platform.cpp: Might work better with the interrupt handler... I should go to bed now.[00:52:18] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[00:52:19] *** tigerdog has joined #haiku[00:52:52] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[00:53:31] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[00:53:49] <mmadia> hi tigerdog[00:54:33] *** nvmd has joined #haiku[00:54:34] <tigerdog> hi mmadia![00:54:49] <tigerdog> sorry - multitasking (badly)[00:55:01] <tigerdog> did you try tqh's nspr patch?[00:55:22] <mmadia> i just got back from a family gathering, applying it now.[00:55:29] <tigerdog> don't bother[00:55:34] <tigerdog> just tried - dies during build[00:59:48] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[01:01:12] *** pyCube_ has joined #haiku[01:01:12] *** pyCube has quit IRC[01:01:29] <CIA-5> mmlr * r28015 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/storage/Directory.cpp:[01:01:29] <CIA-5> Fix strange validity check in BDirectory::Contains(). If either path ends up as[01:01:29] <CIA-5> invalid it must not be used.[01:09:46] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[01:15:48] *** nvmd has left #haiku[01:20:31] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[01:21:52] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[01:32:21] <CIA-5> mmu_man * r28016 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/ (arch/m68k/arch_int.cpp platform/atari_m68k/platform.cpp):[01:33:01] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:33:17] <CIA-5> axeld * r28017 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/net/ (DHCPClient.cpp NetServer.cpp):[01:33:17] <CIA-5> * DHCP now actually uses the new SO_BINDTODEVICE socket option to make sure[01:33:17] <CIA-5> the request is sent only on the device it should.[01:35:08] *** Master199 has quit IRC[01:38:36] *** tigerdog has quit IRC[01:40:54] *** senry-user has quit IRC[01:41:05] *** pyCube_ has quit IRC[01:49:51] <CIA-5> axeld * r28018 /haiku/trunk/ (7 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)[01:49:51] <CIA-5> * Changed the way the demangle functionality works: instead of having a kernel[01:49:51] <CIA-5> debugger add-on set a demangle hook, all modules under debugger/demangle/ are[01:49:51] <CIA-5> now considered demangle modules.[01:49:51] <CIA-5> * Added another function to the demangle module interface that gives you access[01:49:52] <CIA-5> to the arguments.[01:49:54] <CIA-5> * Implemented a demangling module for GCC2.[02:06:22] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[02:12:26] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[02:22:11] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[02:27:44] *** BlankBruno has joined #haiku[02:29:02] *** BlankBruno has quit IRC[02:31:55] *** wildur has quit IRC[02:49:33] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[02:51:32] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[02:53:20] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[02:53:54] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[02:55:14] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[02:55:38] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[02:57:21] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[02:57:55] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[02:59:19] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[02:59:54] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[03:00:00] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[03:00:27] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[03:01:16] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[03:01:38] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[03:04:14] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[03:04:39] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[03:05:35] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[03:06:08] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[03:38:15] <CIA-5> axeld * r28019 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/arch/x86/arch_debug.cpp: (log message trimmed)[03:38:15] <CIA-5> * Factored out the demangled function call dump to a print_demangled_call().[03:38:15] <CIA-5> * The stack_trace() command now also uses this call by default to give you[03:38:15] <CIA-5> the arguments to all functions in a stack crawl (beware of templates for now,[03:38:15] <CIA-5> though).[03:38:15] <CIA-5> * Use the new option '-d' to disable the demangling. You can now also specify[03:38:20] <CIA-5> '-d' in the "call" command which has the same meaning there.[03:42:38] *** ari2-free has quit IRC[03:47:10] <CIA-5> axeld * r28020 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/HaikuImage:[03:47:10] <CIA-5> * Added ACPI bus manager module back to the image - if it doesn't work for you,[03:47:10] <CIA-5> please let us know. Especially shutting down your system can potentially[03:47:10] <CIA-5> change its behaviour (maybe even for the better, but maybe not :-)).[03:47:10] <CIA-5> * Added the GCC2 KDL demangle module to the image by default.[03:47:11] <CIA-5> * White space cleanup.[04:07:45] *** mmadia has quit IRC[04:08:02] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[04:10:15] *** pyCube has quit IRC[04:10:28] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[04:14:20] *** mmadia42 has joined #haiku[04:14:48] <mmadia42> oof... this seems like a weird error: http://pastebin.com/m484372f6 any ideas?[04:15:22] <mmadia42> ( more with compiling glib-2.18.1 )[04:23:30] *** mmadia has quit IRC[04:34:40] *** acidx has quit IRC[04:45:16] *** adb has left #haiku[04:48:59] <criso> http://www.freelists.org/archives/haiku-development/06-2008/msg00044.html[04:49:08] <criso> I never saw that before myself[04:49:11] <criso> trouble relocating..[04:50:21] <DeadYak> in this particular case it seems to be failing to find a symbol[05:17:17] <mmadia42> i'll try re-creating it on a r28017[05:24:49] *** mmadia42 has quit IRC[05:36:38] *** pyCube_also has joined #haiku[05:36:55] *** pyCube_also is now known as pyCube[05:37:31] <pyCube> yep[05:37:44] <pyCube> hi[05:50:12] *** hdanak has quit IRC[06:55:49] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[07:03:01] *** ari2-free has joined #haiku[07:14:04] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[07:31:44] *** Stefan100 has joined #haiku[07:47:40] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[08:11:01] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[08:11:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[08:11:04] <pyCube> where is my mind.[08:11:12] <pyCube> ?[08:13:10] <JonathanThompson> Probably out to launch to the moon ;)[08:14:59] <JonathanThompson> That'd be one form of being spaced out ;)[08:15:50] <pyCube> T- think the answer is "way out n the water."[08:16:05] <pyCube> i think[08:16:20] <geist> pyCube: you've been struck by a smooth criminal[08:18:10] <JonathanThompson> The one that stole his mind without him even realizing it was gone?[08:20:14] <pyCube> had to laugh the other day listening to a kinks song. they are mocking fancy pants types with all their fancy expensive stuff..."twenty four inch tv screen.."[08:20:23] <JonathanThompson> :P[08:20:41] <JonathanThompson> Like Prince's song "Party Like it's 1999" it dated itself ;)[08:27:51] <pyCube> so weird not having to go to work tomorrow..vcations are still weird for me[08:28:56] <pyCube> i lkeep feeling like i should do som work[08:29:52] <pyCube> ive been distracting myself by playing with c[08:29:54] <pyCube> hehe[08:33:21] *** pyCube has quit IRC[08:33:41] *** Megaf has joined #Haiku[08:38:26] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[08:44:44] *** stargater has joined #haiku[08:44:47] <stargater> hi[08:50:03] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[08:54:08] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[09:15:12] *** stargater has quit IRC[09:21:20] <ddew|bofh> *mooo*[09:22:13] * JonathanThompson feeds ddew|bofh some grass[09:22:41] <JonathanThompson> Kentucky blue grass, your favorite![09:22:46] <ddew|bofh> yay[09:23:04] <ddew|bofh> two of my fav records are actually bluegrass :P[09:23:08] <JonathanThompson> One of the latest articles on Ars is entertaining: the self-driving car.[09:23:19] <ddew|bofh> from the darpa challenge?[09:23:30] <JonathanThompson> They didn't go into that much.[09:23:44] <JonathanThompson> More of an essay of the advantages if we all used self-driving cars.[09:24:00] <JonathanThompson> Never mind all those minor practical considerations that would need to be true to achieve it.[09:24:03] <ddew|bofh> yeah, appears to be a case of: "stating the fucking obvious"[09:24:24] <geist> a bunch of cars driving around themselves[09:24:31] <geist> gee, that doesn't sound to efficient[09:24:31] <ddew|bofh> cars are damn safe, it's the drivers that kill people (most of the time)[09:24:42] <JonathanThompson> I'm sure I'll be dead first before I see it come to fruition and work well enough people will buy into it.[09:24:51] <geist> seems like you'd get more use out of the fuel if it actually carried you to your destination[09:24:56] <geist> instead of just driving off[09:25:12] <ddew|bofh> an automated system would do wonders for commutes[09:25:19] <JonathanThompson> Yeah, that's all we need: cars unionizing, going on strike, and going off on Sunday drives without our permission![09:25:22] <ddew|bofh> which in turn could potentially save a lot of fuel[09:25:29] <geist> exactly[09:25:35] <geist> isn't the point to serve man?[09:25:41] <geist> and not on a platter[09:25:49] <JonathanThompson> IT'S A COOK BOOK![09:25:54] <geist> OH NOES[09:25:55] <ddew|bofh> i for one welcome our robot overlords[09:26:31] <ddew|bofh> might as well get that one out of the way, in case skynet's listening[09:26:46] <JonathanThompson> The theory of self-driving cars is truly fantastic, but the reality is creating a workable system is not only incredibly expensive, but also NP-complete, never mind all the human factors.[09:27:05] <geist> exactl, which is why all the best solutions dont involve humans at all[09:27:09] <geist> it's the logical conclusion[09:27:33] <JonathanThompson> Only if all roads such cars use are incredibly controlled for what's allowed on them, is there a chance.[09:27:34] <ddew|bofh> you need to stop thinking of cars as in "my car" and instead think of it as a glorofied bus in this scenario[09:27:40] <JonathanThompson> As in, rails in tunnels.[09:28:04] <JonathanThompson> Otherwise, there's way too many things to jump into the equation you can't account for 100% of the time.[09:28:22] <JonathanThompson> And even then, tunnels and rails aren't 100% free of issues that happen.[09:28:27] <ddew|bofh> gps coupled with radar is surprisingly accurate[09:28:41] <JonathanThompson> But it doesn't work in deep woods and certain mountain areas.[09:28:49] <ddew|bofh> but the radar does[09:28:52] <JonathanThompson> And tunnels? :)[09:29:00] * JonathanThompson drives through tunnels regularly[09:29:07] <ddew|bofh> still handled by the radar :)[09:29:39] * JonathanThompson wonders how well the radar works in very heavy rain[09:29:44] <ddew|bofh> gps is really only needed for the route calculation and navigation[09:30:13] <ddew|bofh> the solutions i've seen so far work fine in heavy rain, snowstorms etc[09:31:03] *** Megaf is now known as MegafEee[09:31:14] <JonathanThompson> Of course, there's another reason I didn't put in my response to the article: if people relied too heavily on GPS, imagine how vulnerable that'd make everyone if a satellite was taken out or things were purposely jammed.[09:31:37] *** sprma has joined #haiku[09:31:43] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps I'm being too paranoid, but any large central point of failure eventually will.[09:31:59] *** A-v-S has quit IRC[09:32:01] <ddew|bofh> well you can get a decent lock with only 3 satellites[09:32:27] <ddew|bofh> and i don't know how many orbit the earth but i've seen up to 8 connected at once[09:33:03] <JonathanThompson> Sure, but correct me if I'm wrong in thinking that someone could jam up the system if done correctly.[09:33:28] <JonathanThompson> Or, for that matter, what if the software in the cars was capable of being updated remotely? :)[09:33:41] <ddew|bofh> every system can be abused[09:34:02] <ddew|bofh> people can fly airplanes into buildings, that hasn't stopped them from being allowed in the air[09:34:18] <ddew|bofh> gpses can technically be jammed, but that hasn't stopped everyone from using them[09:34:20] <JonathanThompson> And that's the whole problem: even the most perfectly designed system is still vulnerable: at least by having a human being at the controls for every small part, you have sentience to hopefully catch things.[09:34:24] <ddew|bofh> ad nauseum :)[09:34:41] <JonathanThompson> And humans aren't perfect, either ;)[09:35:00] <ddew|bofh> well naturally there'll be a fail-safe even in the automated cars[09:35:13] * JonathanThompson envisions all self-driving cars having 5 redundant computers like the space shuttle, where at least 3 must vote for the same thing[09:35:25] <ddew|bofh> besides, we can never attain perfection, we can only aspire to it[09:35:27] *** nopper`blah has joined #haiku[09:35:49] *** vbmithr has joined #haiku[09:36:03] <ddew|bofh> haven't they increased the number of computers in the later revisions?[09:36:24] <JonathanThompson> I don't think they ever really increased the computer's capacities in any meaningful manner.[09:36:43] <JonathanThompson> For the vital things (perhaps non-vital things have additional computers) IIRC there's 5.[09:36:48] <ddew|bofh> you kidding me?[09:36:51] <JonathanThompson> And they IIRC also have core memory.[09:36:59] <JonathanThompson> Remember when they were designed, and what was reliable then.[09:37:07] <ddew|bofh> they went from analogue instrumentation to glass cockpits[09:37:12] <JonathanThompson> It was designed in the 70's.[09:37:34] <ddew|bofh> no, the first generation was designed in the 70s. they've undergone major revisions in the mean time[09:37:47] <JonathanThompson> And the way things are usually done, things that are well-known, tested and are available are used for basic parts.[09:38:36] <JonathanThompson> Time to consult Wikipedia to see if anyone has stuff to update that with ;) (keeping in mind that it can be inaccurate, too)[09:38:41] <ddew|bofh> if it ain't broke, don't fix it :)[09:38:51] <nopper`blah> the ipw2100 wireless card is working correcty on haiku? i could use as base for a new wireless driver?[09:39:03] <JonathanThompson> Sadly, evidence is that the space shuttles need to be retired due to stresses of flight.[09:39:24] <ddew|bofh> well yeah, that's been the plan for some 20 odd years[09:39:33] <ddew|bofh> hopefully constellation will be ready by then[09:40:49] <JonathanThompson> I remember watching Challenger disintegrate during the takeoff: I was in school in the library at the time, watching it on TV.[09:40:54] <ddew|bofh> well "by then" meaning when the contract for suyoz flights runs out[09:41:29] <nopper`blah> ...[09:42:08] <ddew|bofh> nopper`blah: haiku doesn't have wlan[09:42:49] <nopper`blah> but there's ipw2100[09:43:00] <JonathanThompson> Ok, in 1990 the processors and RAM were upgraded, but still comparatively primitive.[09:43:05] <ddew|bofh> i'm guessing it's a WIP driver[09:43:14] <nopper`blah> oh[09:43:17] <JonathanThompson> The original systems used magnetic core memory.[09:43:18] <nopper`blah> lovely[09:43:25] <JonathanThompson> 424 kbytes per computer.[09:43:41] <ddew|bofh> JonathanThompson: well yeah, keeping it simple is the way to go[09:43:46] <JonathanThompson> And each CPU was good for about 400K instructions per second ;)[09:43:46] <ddew|bofh> less things to break :)[09:43:58] <ddew|bofh> besides, most controlling can be done from the ground anyway[09:44:26] <ddew|bofh> you can even do a launch and landing without a crew[09:44:31] <JonathanThompson> Most cell phones these days have far more computer power and RAM than all of the space shuttles combined ;)[09:44:57] <ddew|bofh> my calculator has more power than the combined total of what the apollo missions used :)[09:45:24] <ddew|bofh> hell, my cellphones are more powerful than my desktop computer from 1999 :P[09:45:31] <JonathanThompson> Interesting to read that the cockpit of the shuttles also involve programmable calculators ;)[09:45:55] <ddew|bofh> the computers in the shuttle are insanely complicated[09:46:08] <ddew|bofh> makes scientific calculators look like childs play[09:47:09] <JonathanThompson> Funny to read they had problems with woodpeckers :)[09:47:22] <ddew|bofh> don't have much experience with it though, i've mostly used the AGC :)[09:47:58] <ddew|bofh> beautiful machine that is[09:48:16] <ddew|bofh> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/AGC_user_interface.jpg[09:48:54] <ddew|bofh> but it nearly fucked up the apollo 11 mission when it ran out of ram :P[09:50:03] <ddew|bofh> no wait, not ram. cpu-time[09:50:37] <JonathanThompson> I was somewhat watching something on cable the other night about the moon landing conspiracy theories/theorists.[09:50:42] *** nopper`blah has quit IRC[09:50:46] <ddew|bofh> on fox?[09:50:53] <JonathanThompson> Seems there's always people that will look to dispute what happened.[09:51:01] <JonathanThompson> National Geographic Channel IIRC.[09:51:23] <ddew|bofh> and will pick the most retarded proof imaginable to prove their point[09:52:11] <ddew|bofh> like claiming that the flag was waving in the wind when it was planted and completely disregarding the fact that it behaves nothing like cloth and more like chainmail[09:52:22] <JonathanThompson> One of the bits used was that if you speed up the film of running astronauts, it looks like running at normal speed in earth gravity.[09:52:34] *** rsanches has joined #haiku[09:52:35] <ddew|bofh> yeah, the mythbusters proved that one wrong[09:52:44] <JonathanThompson> Of course, what came to my mind immediately is the memory that there's film of them taking HUGE leaps.[09:53:00] <ddew|bofh> it looks similar, but it's not an exact match. you need 1/6th gravity for that :)[09:53:03] <JonathanThompson> Sorry, but nobody is going to be making HUGE leaps in anything but low gravity ;)[09:53:14] <ddew|bofh> hehe[09:53:24] <JonathanThompson> (Of course, I suppose they could argue they had strings attached to pulleys you can't see)[09:53:29] <ddew|bofh> well they could've used lines and wires :P[09:54:08] <JonathanThompson> Fact of the matter is that the video resolution of the transmission was rather grainy and limited, but that's the technology that was available at that time.[09:54:11] <ddew|bofh> it pisses me off to no end that people want to reduce humankinds greatest accomplishment to something that banale[09:54:30] <JonathanThompson> And surely the astronauts weren't exactly professional filmers ;)[09:54:55] <ddew|bofh> the image was actually quite good, it was the method of transferring it from the 10fps sent from the moon to the 24 (or thereabouts) fps needed for tv[09:55:01] <JonathanThompson> As much as anything, they had to do the best they could for tech within power and weight and size requirements.[09:55:07] <ddew|bofh> indeed[09:55:19] <ddew|bofh> and people claim that the pictures taken are too perfect :P[09:55:31] <JonathanThompson> Damned if you do, damned if you don't.[09:55:52] <ddew|bofh> it's not like they grabbed 2 rolls of film and said that's it, they have like thousands of images[09:55:59] <ddew|bofh> most of which look pretty crap :P[09:56:53] <JonathanThompson> I suppose the same conspiracy theorists are going to argue none of the satellites that are orbiting earth have been touched by humans once they got off the ground ;)[09:57:15] <JonathanThompson> And of course, imagine what they must think of the Hubble telescope and such things.[09:57:28] <JonathanThompson> Darn it, they sure generate a lot of fake data! :D[09:57:37] <ddew|bofh> hehe[09:58:12] <ddew|bofh> people will believe whatever they want to believe. despite lack of proof or even proof to the contrary[09:58:45] <ddew|bofh> i guess it's human nature to try to come up with explanations for shit we don't understand[09:58:50] <JonathanThompson> You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink/you can lead a man to knowledge, but you cannot make him think[09:59:10] <ddew|bofh> indeed[10:00:07] <JonathanThompson> I wonder if a full space elevator will be built on earth in my lifetime.[10:00:24] <ddew|bofh> doubt it[10:00:34] <JonathanThompson> Or, if as Arthur C. Clarke is quoted, it'll be built about 50 years after everyone stops laughing ;)[10:00:39] <ddew|bofh> atleast that transport any significant masses[10:00:50] <ddew|bofh> arthur c clarke is a genius[10:01:06] <JonathanThompson> Well, that's the beauty of it: it doesn't need to transport any significant masses in a single load.[10:01:14] <ddew|bofh> you know he's the guy behind satellites in geosync orbits?[10:01:28] <JonathanThompson> Yes, and he has certain space features named after him.[10:01:40] <ddew|bofh> significant mass being anything above a few grams[10:02:10] <JonathanThompson> And when you consider what was known at the time, he got 2001: a Space Odyssey dead on for most of it.[10:02:15] <geist> i poop significant masses[10:02:29] <JonathanThompson> We all know you're the poop, geist ![10:02:38] <ddew|bofh> the movie 2001 is surprisingly accurate[10:02:42] <geist> just making sure that's out there[10:02:49] <ddew|bofh> the pen thing on the plane is brilliant[10:03:02] <JonathanThompson> Would you please flush it now, geist ? k,thanx[10:03:10] <ddew|bofh> s/plane/shuttle/[10:03:18] <JonathanThompson> Pen thing...[10:03:24] <JonathanThompson> Trying to remember...[10:03:41] <geist> the pen thing where it's all woosh and the girls all like *grab* and the dudes all zzzzz[10:03:44] <JonathanThompson> Makes me think of the US versus Russian space program...[10:03:59] <JonathanThompson> We spent millions (or some large amount of money) to create a pen that'd write in space...[10:04:02] <ddew|bofh> when he falls asleep in his seat and the pen floats away[10:04:07] <JonathanThompson> The Russians just used a pencil ;)[10:04:14] <geist> JonathanThompson: that's bunk[10:04:15] <ddew|bofh> yeah :)[10:04:26] <geist> using a pencil fills up the air filters with shit[10:04:32] <geist> you want a pen[10:04:42] <JonathanThompson> Yeah, that sort of thing occurs to me, that pencils have their issues.[10:04:56] <JonathanThompson> I guess in most cases, they didn't think they'd be used enough to be a major problem.[10:05:05] <ddew|bofh> although one wonders if felt tip pens would work in space[10:05:12] <ddew|bofh> seeing how they don't use gravity[10:05:17] <JonathanThompson> I suspect they would.[10:05:23] <JonathanThompson> They use wicking.[10:05:24] *** Euver has joined #haiku[10:05:25] *** Xenexi has joined #haiku[10:05:25] <geist> my sixaxis controller would not work in space[10:05:34] <geist> so no taking your ps3 to space[10:05:42] <geist> in case you wanted it on the space sation[10:05:44] <ddew|bofh> hehe[10:05:46] <JonathanThompson> I'll keep that limitation in mind ;)[10:05:47] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[10:06:11] <geist> well, seriously, if the astronauts want to play some games in space[10:06:19] <geist> they can't rely on any games that need the down thing[10:06:21] <JonathanThompson> Right after the first one being the lack of means to get into space...[10:06:25] <geist> that whole g vector[10:06:52] <geist> lord british is in space[10:06:53] <JonathanThompson> And I know there's no way I'd fit the NASA health requirements.[10:07:26] <ddew|bofh> yeah, that's a big problem in space. getting bored :P[10:07:43] <JonathanThompson> All that wide open space, but nothing really to look at ;)[10:07:54] <ddew|bofh> i'd be glued to one of the portholes on the iss drooling for my entire time up there :)[10:08:01] * JonathanThompson imagines a tourist trip for truly dedicated stargazers[10:09:02] <JonathanThompson> For the world is hollow, and I have touched the SkyOS[10:09:11] * geist strikes the channel down in anger[10:09:12] <JonathanThompson> (Mixing two forms of geekery in that one)[10:09:24] <JonathanThompson> Or perhaps 3...[10:09:24] <ddew|bofh> skyos, the perpetual beta :)[10:09:42] <JonathanThompson> They might say "Haiku, the perpetual pre-alpha" :)[10:09:50] <ddew|bofh> i've been a tester of that for like 4 years and it's still nowhere near release[10:10:00] <geist> that's what happens when a single dude hacks an os[10:10:04] <ddew|bofh> haiku is closer to release than skyos[10:10:11] <geist> you get about 90% of the way there, you get something sort of working[10:10:18] <geist> then blam, 20 man years of work still ahead of you[10:10:27] <ddew|bofh> don't get me wrong, i'm insanely impressed. but i just think the beta moniker is slightly misleading[10:10:39] <JonathanThompson> And the crazy thing is, there's a defined point of completeness for Haiku you need to reach: they can define "complete" for SkyOS to be what they want it to be, and call it good.[10:10:43] <geist> haiku has a handful of people, so it only still has 5 more years ahead of it[10:11:17] <ddew|bofh> hopefully the alpha will attract a few more skilled hackers[10:15:00] * JonathanThompson considers who to vote for for US president, considers others than the two available candidates[10:15:10] <JonathanThompson> Want to be a write-in vote, geist ?[10:15:15] <JonathanThompson> Or, are you even old enough yet?[10:15:22] <geist> 45 right?[10:15:25] <JonathanThompson> IIRC you need to be at least 35.[10:15:46] <geist> 35[10:16:01] *** sprma has quit IRC[10:16:20] <JonathanThompson> Yeah, 35.[10:16:27] <JonathanThompson> Are you that old, or am I mistaken?[10:16:35] <geist> got a few more years[10:17:03] <geist> on an unrelated note: new favorite song[10:17:08] <geist> re: stacks by Bon Iver[10:17:12] <geist> it's amazing[10:17:18] <JonathanThompson> I'm old enough, but can't say I'd want the job.[10:23:16] * JonathanThompson goes off to bed[10:23:51] <ddew|bofh> nn jt[10:31:56] <CIA-5> mmu_man * r28021 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/HaikuImage: acpi bus manager is likely only for x86... at least I don't need it on m68k ;)[10:32:26] *** johndrinkwater has quit IRC[10:32:58] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[10:46:31] <CIA-5> jackburton * r28022 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/screen/ (RefreshSlider.cpp RefreshSlider.h RefreshWindow.cpp): fixed gcc4 warnings[10:50:23] *** cherrylap has joined #haiku[10:51:31] *** 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/haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/disk_device_manager/KDiskDevice.cpp: (log message trimmed)[14:33:56] <CIA-5> If a device reports no media is present, don't try to get the geometry anyway.[14:33:56] <CIA-5> This confused some USB card readers, that would stop working if you still[14:33:56] <CIA-5> requested the geometry when they reported no media.[14:33:58] <CIA-5> Note the case that the B_GET_MEDIA_STATUS fails (because it's not implemented or[14:34:02] <CIA-5> an error occured) is still handeld in _GetMediaStatus() and then we still try to[14:34:04] <CIA-5> get the geometry to check for media presence.[14:36:09] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[14:37:08] <Monni> klus[14:37:41] <Begasus> 'lo peeps[14:37:45] <Begasus> plop ;)[14:38:34] <Monni> kwebbel ;)[14:39:20] <CIA-5> stippi * r28030 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/deskbar/ (7 files):[14:39:20] <CIA-5> Never use the current menu UI color, but always the view color of any given[14:39:20] <CIA-5> menu. Fixes #974.[14:47:01] *** sprma has quit IRC[14:54:09] *** Monni has left #Haiku[14:55:27] <CIA-5> mmu_man * r28031 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs):[14:57:45] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[14:57:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[14:59:33] <Begasus> plop[14:59:45] <Begasus> back home mmu_man ?[15:02:46] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[15:09:49] *** Begasus is now known as Begasus_bbl[15:09:51] <CIA-5> axeld * r28032 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/debugger/demangle/gcc2.cpp: (log message trimmed)[15:09:51] <CIA-5> * Symbols with templates are completely ignored for now (ie. they won't confuse[15:09:51] <CIA-5> the demangler anymore).[15:09:51] <CIA-5> * Functions with leading "__" won't confuse the demangler anymore either.[15:09:51] <CIA-5> * Added a maximum argument count of 32 to reduce the risk of endless loops.[15:09:52] <CIA-5> * Added protection against recursively calling get_next_argument_internal()[15:09:56] <CIA-5> more than once.[15:12:27] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[15:12:57] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[15:14:40] *** Monni has joined #Haiku[15:21:48] *** Teknomancer has left #haiku[15:23:15] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[15:27:16] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[15:27:25] <mmu_man> Begasus_bbl no, not until friday :p[15:37:11] <CIA-5> axeld * r28033 /haiku/trunk/src/system/libroot/os/driver_settings.c:[15:37:11] <CIA-5> Fixed two problems recently introduced by korli and found by aldeck:[15:37:11] <CIA-5> * When invalidating unused settings, we should remove the handle from the list[15:37:11] <CIA-5> before freeing it, or else the settings list will be corrupted.[15:37:11] <CIA-5> * We should protect the safemode settings against being removed, or else they[15:37:13] <CIA-5> won't be availabe anymore after we mounted the boot device.[15:41:37] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[15:52:07] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[15:55:04] <CIA-5> jackburton * r28034 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/acpi/acpi_ns_dump.c:[15:55:04] <CIA-5> worked on the acpi namespace dumper: I kept the recursive implementation of the[15:55:04] <CIA-5> function, but I had to use a different thread, then, to read the data, without[15:55:04] <CIA-5> smashing the buffer passed by read(). It still doesnt' work correctly 100%[15:55:04] <CIA-5> (because I obviously made some stupid mistake, please review), but at least 'cat[15:55:06] <CIA-5> /dev/acpi/namespace' doesn't KDL anymore, and it even shows something.[15:55:08] <CIA-5> mmu_man * r28035 /haiku/trunk/headers/private/kernel/arch/m68k/arch_platform.h: ADd platform hooks to read RTC. platform code should mimic the PC CMOS chip.[16:04:32] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[16:04:54] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[16:07:47] *** mmadia has quit IRC[16:10:56] *** BGA has joined #haiku[16:10:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[16:11:22] <BGA> mmu_man, so, did you have some time to look into that OSS problem during Begeistert?[16:11:48] <BGA> I guess you guys had too many beers... It was not as productive as the previous one. ;)[16:11:50] <DeadYak> BGA: you realize the code sprint's ongoing now, right?[16:12:06] <BGA> DeadYak, ah... Wasn't it thsi weekend?[16:12:11] <DeadYak> BGA: the weekend was BG[16:12:14] <DeadYak> BGA: the code sprint is this week.[16:12:23] <BGA> Got it. The entire week?[16:12:37] <DeadYak> not sure about entire week but at least part of it[16:13:38] <BGA> k. Thanks.[16:14:03] <DeadYak> besides, last BG they didn't have an inet link so I'm not sure how that was more productive :)[16:17:05] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[16:21:49] *** daste has quit IRC[16:23:29] <CIA-5> jackburton * r28036 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/acpi/acpi_ns_dump.c: build fix for nongcc4 build[16:23:55] <mmu_man> BGA no, fixed m68k stuff and netsurf[16:24:17] <mmu_man> but I'll add a startup sound here and see how it goes[16:28:44] <CIA-5> jackburton * r28037 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/acpi/acpi_ns_dump.c: also add a '\n' character, thanks to Francesco Piccinno for noticing[16:29:19] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[16:29:24] <thotypous> hi[16:30:25] *** Sryche has joined #haiku[16:31:23] <BGA> mmu_man, Cool![16:32:23] <BGA> DeadYak, Well, considering the result I saw last year (I don't remember how long after Begeistert I saw it) and the activity I saw this weekend, last year was ore productive.[16:32:28] <mmu_man> hmm WHERE the *** is the RTC on Falcon ?[16:32:38] <BGA> Keep in mind I thought it was ended by now.[16:32:41][16:32:47] <mmu_man> there was a weird one in the Mega STE[16:32:48] <BGA> mmu_man, look behind the couch![16:32:50] <mmu_man> then a PC like one in TT[16:33:03] <mmu_man> but the falcon specific docs I have don't list them either[16:33:28] <DeadYak> mmu_man: looked at linux or netbsd? I'm assuming both of those boot on the Falcon[16:33:55] <mmu_man> yeah but it probes them, so I'm not sure which one I should do first[16:34:08] <DeadYak> ah[16:34:17] <DeadYak> don't suppose they have any extra docs you might've overlooked? :)[16:34:18] <mmu_man> I could also dig the ARAnyM sources :)[16:34:47] <mmu_man> ahh src/rtc.cpp[16:40:42] <CIA-5> jackburton * r28038 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/acpi/acpi_ns_dump.c: sprintf -> snprintf. Also removed useless dprintf()[16:43:58] <mmu_man> src/hardware.cpp: arhw[iRTC] = rtc = new RTC(0xff8960, 4);[16:44:03] <mmu_man> so it's the TT one[16:44:21] <mmu_man> but its IRQ should go through the 2nd MFP, but Falcon supposedly only has 1[16:44:23] <mmu_man> !?[16:44:42] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[16:45:03] <DeadYak> MFP = Falcon's equivalent to a PC's PIC/APIC?[16:47:10] <mmu_man> yeah[16:47:32] <MindChild> I prefer OPP[16:47:38] <mmu_man> MultiFunction Peripheral[16:47:38] <MindChild> yeah you know me[16:47:42] <mmu_man> has GPIO, TIMER, PIC[16:48:18] <DeadYak> ahh.[16:48:19] <DeadYak> neat.[16:51:22] <mmu_man> TT has 2 of the[16:51:47] <DeadYak> I keep reading TT as TuneTracker[16:57:41] *** leszek has joined #haiku[16:57:57] <leszek> re[16:59:49] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[17:04:10] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[17:07:43] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[17:10:32] <mmu_man> kernel entry at 8003b272[17:10:32] <mmu_man> Atari hardware:[17:10:33] <mmu_man> ST MFP[17:10:33] <mmu_man> TT RTC MC146818A[17:10:34] <mmu_man> Welcome to kernel debugger output![17:10:38] <mmu_man> ok so no TT MFP[17:10:39] <DeadYak> nice :)[17:10:52] <mmu_man> must find where the IRQ is routed then[17:11:28] <mmu_man> wait[17:11:41] <mmu_man> I don't actually need the IRQ for the RTC anyway[17:11:50] <DeadYak> why's that?[17:12:06] <mmu_man> we don't use it for timing[17:12:17] <mmu_man> jsut like on PC we just read/write it[17:12:19] <DeadYak> does the Falcon have a higher precision timing source available?[17:12:32] <mmu_man> MFP has 4 8bit timers[17:12:34] <DeadYak> I thought we use RTC timer as a fallback if APIC or PIT isn't available?[17:12:41] <DeadYak> at least on x86[17:12:47] <mmu_man> no[17:12:52] <mmu_man> well PIT is always there[17:12:56] <mmu_man> else it's not a PC :)[17:13:25] <DeadYak> ah, never mind[17:13:30] <DeadYak> I was thinking of the PIT fallback[17:14:02] <mmu_man> yeah, PC hw canbe confusing :)[17:14:13] <mmu_man> PIT PIC POC :)[17:15:04] <DeadYak> there's a POC too?[17:15:06] <DeadYak> that's a new one for me[17:15:22] <DeadYak> unless you meant "Piece Of Crap" :P[17:15:23] <mmu_man> http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/include/asm-m68k/atarihw.h?v=linux-2.4.22#L112[17:15:29] <mmu_man> eh[17:17:36] <mmu_man> so, 8MHz clock[17:17:48] <mmu_man> smallest prescaler is /4[17:18:07] <DeadYak> should be good enough for system_time() then, no?[17:18:16] <mmu_man> except it's 8bit[17:18:41] <mmu_man> plus if I use it for timing I'll always change it on next timer[17:18:55] <mmu_man> but maybe I could have another one always running[17:19:02] <mmu_man> but it'll wrap quite soon...[17:19:13] <mmu_man> maybe I can get 2 chained[17:19:23] <mmu_man> but some of them are used for specific stuff[17:19:28] <mmu_man> like baud gen for the UART[17:20:49] <mmu_man> plus reading the MFP is not that fast it seems[17:20:57] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[17:22:18] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[17:23:59] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[17:29:34] <CIA-5> zooey * r28039 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/PicturePlayer.cpp: * fixed build in DEBUG mode[17:34:10] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[17:37:28] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:38:19] <mmadia> hi tqh[17:42:20] <tqh> hi[17:43:59] <mmadia> tigerdog talked with me before i had a chance to apply + test your 2nd nspr patch. so, i left the clean tree untouched.[17:45:09] <CIA-5> stippi * r28040 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[17:45:09] <CIA-5> * zuMi sent a nice icon for 7zip archives.[17:45:09] <CIA-5> * Added 7zip mime type. (TODO: Add proper recognition rule.)[17:45:56] <tqh> mmadia, yes I need to make a new one.[17:48:21] <mmadia> i also ran into this error while make'ing glib-2.18.1 http://pastebin.com/m484372f6[17:50:43] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[17:51:05] *** BGA_ has joined #haiku[17:51:14] <CIA-5> stippi * r28041 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Added input_server icon by zuMi. Thanks![17:51:25] *** BGA has quit IRC[17:51:30] *** BGA_ is now known as BGA[17:51:41] * DeadYak tasers BGA[17:51:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[17:51:55] <BGA> DeadYak, :P\[17:53:32] <CIA-5> stippi * r28042 /haiku/trunk/data/artwork/icons/App_Expander_3: Variation of the Expander icon with arrow - different color scheme.[17:54:36] *** boh666 has joined #haiku[17:56:39] <tqh> mmadia, dunno looks like it misses a lib in trying to link to stack_trace, or that's a non existing function[17:57:33] <mmu_man> #define MFP_FREQ 2457600UL[17:57:43] <mmu_man> ok got my answer[17:59:27] <mmu_man> can anyone reply to scottmc on haikuports ml ?[17:59:38] <mmu_man> I do have a working native port of XEmacs[17:59:53] <mmu_man> well at least to BeOS, should be easy to add missing part[17:59:57] <mmu_man> I just didn't have time to[18:00:02] <mmadia> sure.[18:00:17] <mmu_man> can't email from here[18:01:06] <mmu_man> as for tetrinet, there is a native Tetrinet for BeOS[18:01:11] <mmu_man> from a french dev[18:01:13] <mmu_man> can't recall the url[18:01:40] <mmadia> does the #define bit need to be sent too?[18:01:54] <mmu_man> bnettris or something[18:01:59] <mmu_man> lol no[18:02:12] <mmu_man> http://sourceforge.net/projects/benettris/[18:03:08] <mmadia> anything else?[18:03:44] <mmu_man> no[18:05:09] <CIA-5> stippi * r28043 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs):[18:05:09] <CIA-5> Meanwhile and zuMi both have send me an icon for the Mandelbrot demo. I have[18:05:09] <CIA-5> made a new icon which should incorporate the best stuff from both icons. Thanks[18:05:09] <CIA-5> a lot to both of you! The Mandelbrot_2 icon shows the fractal with the initial[18:05:09] <CIA-5> color palette that the real Mandelbrot demo will use, but I like zuMi's colors[18:05:12] <CIA-5> better. Just adding it for reference.[18:05:27] <mmadia> hrmm.. is haiku able to install itself from a mount -ro haiku.image to a newly initialized bfs partition?[18:06:59] <mmu_man> mmadia thx :)[18:07:07] <mmu_man> probably[18:07:13] <mmu_man> brb[18:07:14] <mmu_man> dinner[18:07:23] <mmadia> poopies. doesn't work for me.[18:10:06] <tqh> don't boot or not able to copy?[18:10:24] <mmadia> doesn't boot. general os system error.[18:10:57] <tqh> when you have copied have you run the makebootable from the haiku partition?[18:11:41] <mmadia> no, but bootman was previously set up to boot that bfs partition[18:12:01] <HeTo> bootman does nothing but loads the partition boot sector AFAIK[18:12:30] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[18:12:39] * mmadia grins[18:13:08] <mmadia> running makebootable did the trick... can't believe i didn't do that.[18:13:22] <tqh> i'll send you a bill...[18:15:01] *** thotypous has quit IRC[18:16:18] <Monni> lol[18:19:38] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[18:19:46] <plfiorini> hi[18:23:20] *** MindChild has quit IRC[18:28:19] *** luroh has joined #haiku[18:28:27] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[18:29:23] *** MindChild has joined #haiku[18:30:25] *** adb has joined #haiku[18:31:22] *** rsanches has quit IRC[18:32:21] *** TimKack has joined #haiku[18:40:13] *** boh666 has quit IRC[18:40:16] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[18:41:23] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[18:41:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[18:43:01] *** johndrinkwater has joined #haiku[18:52:06] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[18:52:58] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[18:56:26] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[18:57:05] *** mmadia has quit IRC[19:00:55] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[19:01:20] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[19:03:32] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[19:05:57] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[19:06:16] <DeadYak> hi dr_evil[19:06:59] *** Sryche has quit IRC[19:07:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[19:08:39] <dr_evil> hi[19:08:53] *** genkie has joined #haiku[19:18:43] *** urnenfeld has quit IRC[19:19:22] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[19:19:53] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[19:21:23] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[19:32:32] <mmu_man> plop[19:33:37] * DeadYak plops mmu_man[19:33:39] <DeadYak> back from dinner?[19:46:23] *** idefix_xifedi has quit IRC[19:46:49] *** Rakhun|away has joined #haiku[19:48:04] *** oco has joined #haiku[19:53:54] <mmu_man> plop[19:53:56] <mmu_man> yes[19:54:08] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[19:58:24] *** Rakhun|away is now known as Rakhun[20:06:35] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[20:15:50] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[20:18:44] *** boh666 has joined #haiku[20:20:26] *** atomozero has joined #haiku[20:20:59] *** korli has joined #haiku[20:20:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[20:27:26] *** korli has quit IRC[20:31:22] *** korli has joined #haiku[20:31:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[20:36:20] *** atomozero has quit IRC[20:37:06] <BGA> mmu_man, How about now? Managed to take a look at OSS? :)[20:37:25] <mmu_man> not yet, must finish updating my build[20:37:35] <mmu_man> and I'm adding something totally useless to Icon-O-Matic[20:38:21] <DeadYak> such as? :)[20:38:39] <oco> i am sure i need this feature :-)[20:40:01] <korli> mmu_man: are you drawing icons too ? :)[20:40:17] <mmu_man> hmm yeah well...[20:40:23] <mmu_man> just look at Misc_Hand :D[20:40:34] <korli> there is an icon mania, it seems ;)[20:40:39] <oco> maybe he plan to boot m68 this night, so he need some specials icons ;-)[20:41:32] <PulkoMandy> http://grafx2.googlecode.com/files/grafx2-svn244-source.tgz please, we're looking for a beos release build :)[20:43:31] <oco> it seems it is a secret feature :-)[20:47:17] *** anarchos has joined #haiku[20:48:59] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[20:56:53] <CIA-5> korli * r28044 /haiku/vendor/mesa/current/ (341 files in 22 dirs): updating mesa vendor with version 7.2[20:59:25] <CIA-5> korli * r28045 /haiku/vendor/mesa/7.2/: tagging Mesa 7.2[21:00:36] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[21:00:58] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[21:04:17] *** AndrevS has joined #haiku[21:04:33] *** Teknomancer has left #haiku[21:09:18] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[21:09:39] *** wildur has quit IRC[21:10:07] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[21:11:02] *** boh666 has quit IRC[21:16:42] *** digitalteufel has joined #haiku[21:19:25] <tqh> I guess on a PS3 port :)[21:22:00] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[21:32:56] *** idefix_xifedi has quit IRC[21:33:26] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[21:37:27] <CIA-5> korli * r28046 /haiku/trunk/ (341 files in 23 dirs): updated mesa to 7.2[21:56:13] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[22:07:23] *** genkie has quit IRC[22:08:47] <tqh> mmadia, I think tigerdog may have found the most illusive bug yet :) Code where it uses pipes (broken) or socketpair (nonexistant) can't be good.[22:09:06] <DeadYak> tqh: what was the bug?[22:09:16] <DeadYak> tqh: though pipes and socketpairs should both work on Haiku[22:09:24] <mmadia> yeah, i totally don't understand that :P[22:09:36] <tqh> DeadYak, yes which may explain why it works great here :)[22:10:27] <tqh> it's the pollable events. Which means when the pipe breaks, no more events...[22:10:37] <CIA-5> korli * r28047 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/opengl/mesa/ (Jamfile x86/matypes.h): matypes.h is a generated header[22:10:41] <DeadYak> tqh: eep[22:11:00] *** Euver has joined #haiku[22:11:03] <tqh> that chatzilla stops responding bug might have a solution[22:12:00] <DeadYak> how'd he find that?[22:12:38] <tqh> funny thing is that he was just going to test my new nspr code, and he posted this stackcrawl that led me to it.[22:13:42] <DeadYak> ah[22:13:47] <DeadYak> gotta love it[22:14:50] <mmadia> tqh want me to test patch #3?[22:16:00] <tqh> although, it does has a fallback tcp socket pair...[22:16:15] <tqh> mmadia, if you have the time sure.[22:18:21] <CIA-5> korli * r28048 /haiku/trunk/src/data/etc/timezones/ (africa asia europe leapseconds southamerica): update to tzdata2008g[22:18:34] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[22:19:26] *** pyCube has quit IRC[22:21:40] *** dos4 has joined #haiku[22:21:40] *** dr_evil has quit 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output ?[22:30:34] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[22:30:57] <luroh> korli: i'm seeing lots of "src/kits/opengl/mesa/x86/gen_matypes.c:241: error: 'struct gl_lightmodel' has no member named 'ColorControl'"[22:31:01] <luroh> and the likes[22:31:33] <korli> gcc2 ?[22:32:34] <luroh> yes[22:33:45] <korli> weird, works fine here[22:35:50] <luroh> r28046 built fine[22:36:41] *** BGA has quit IRC[22:36:58] <korli> do you have the gcc line which fails ?[22:37:39] <luroh> in a minute (i accidentally started a new jam -aq when wanting to pastebin the output....grr)[22:37:51] <DeadYak> gen_matypes.cpp is failing[22:38:13] <DeadYak> starting with:[22:38:14] <DeadYak> In file included from /usr/home/rene/devel/haiku/src/kits/opengl/mesa/x86/gen_matypes.c:35:[22:38:15] <DeadYak> /usr/home/rene/devel/haiku/src/kits/opengl/mesa/main/glheader.h:169:19: error: GL/gl.h: No such file or directory[22:38:17] <korli> DeadYak: your luck is gone :)[22:38:26] <DeadYak> pardon?[22:39:14] <luroh> yes, that's what i have too[22:39:15] <korli> the build fails for you also[22:39:17] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[22:39:31] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[22:39:56] <DeadYak> ok so maybe I should've pastebin'd that[22:40:04] <DeadYak> but yeah, I guess gl.h would cause most of that[22:40:31] <luroh> http://pastebin.ca/1226221 ...and it goes on like that[22:41:02] <korli> ok I have gl.h installed in my Linux headers[22:41:03] <tqh> mine fails on the ata bus manager[22:41:06] <DeadYak> seems to be including headers/private/opengl but not headers/os/opengl/[22:41:21] <DeadYak> I see headers/os/opengl/GL/gl.h[22:41:25] <korli> it's a build tool[22:41:33] <luroh> ooh[22:42:00] <DeadYak> korli: well, at least looking at the generated gcc line it's not including anything other than the private dir[22:42:13] <DeadYak> korli: I'm assuming it should be including either build/os/opengl or os/opengl, yes?[22:42:27] <tqh> DeadYak, do you build with ata or ide?[22:42:37] <DeadYak> tqh: right now, ide, want me to check ata?[22:42:50] <tqh> DeadYak, seems to be broken here, so yes :)[22:43:04] <tqh> 'PHYSICAL_PAGE_CAN_WAIT' undeclared[22:43:06] <DeadYak> let's see..[22:43:16] <DeadYak> hmm[22:43:17] <DeadYak> yeah, confirmed[22:43:24] <DeadYak> I seem to remember seeing that constant in one of the BG commits too[22:43:50] <DeadYak> that should be DONT_WAIT now I believe[22:44:19] *** xcasex has joined #haiku[22:44:31] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[22:44:34] <DeadYak> hm...in the ide bus manager he replaces it with 0 in some cases ...[22:45:26] *** pulkomandy_ has quit IRC[22:45:50] *** pulkomandy_ has joined #haiku[22:47:06] *** Euver has quit IRC[22:47:59] *** begasus_ has joined #haiku[22:48:58] *** mib_g93pkq has joined #haiku[22:50:41] *** mib_g93pkq has quit IRC[22:52:47] *** bonefish has joined #haiku[22:52:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o bonefish[22:56:29] *** Stefan100 has quit IRC[22:56:48] <CIA-5> anevilyak * r28049 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/ata/ (emulation.c pio.c): Adjust ata bus manager to compensate for r27979.[22:57:09] <DeadYak> tqh: give that a try[22:57:49] <tqh> compiling[22:59:13] <dos4> r27979? hmm[22:59:15] <pulkomandy_> +++[22:59:22] <DeadYak> dos4: PHYSICAL_PAGE_CAN_WAIT was changed[22:59:40] *** pulkomandy_ has quit IRC[22:59:59] *** bonefish has quit IRC[23:00:39] <tqh> maybe should do svn up before compile :)[23:00:51] <dos4> ok, thanks[23:01:15] <DeadYak> dos4: at least from looking at 979 nothing else is needed, I hope you don't mind that I just went ahead and fixed it[23:02:20] <dos4> no, thats ok, I'm right now busy looking for a livingroom heating device[23:02:27] <DeadYak> ah[23:02:33] <DeadYak> cold over there?[23:02:44] <dos4> sitting on sofa with notebook, researching vendors[23:02:59][23:03:02] <DeadYak> ah[23:03:05] <DeadYak> so just part of your house renovations?[23:03:12] <dos4> but I have no heating in the house that im renovating[23:03:16] <dos4> yes[23:03:19] <begasus_> g'night peeps[23:03:34] *** begasus_ has quit IRC[23:03:52] *** quinq has quit IRC[23:04:22] *** Begasus_bbl has quit IRC[23:04:54] *** quinq has joined #haiku[23:05:49] <tqh> DeadYak, yep ata compiles now.[23:06:16] <luroh> hmm, livingroom heating device[23:06:26] <luroh> sounds to me like you need a htpc[23:06:36] <DeadYak> luroh: I was about to say I had a feeling I know where you're going with that...[23:06:49] <luroh> hehe[23:07:12] <tqh> a SAN can always do :)[23:07:26] <DeadYak> my athlon makes a nice space heater :D[23:09:36] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[23:10:03] <CIA-5> korli * r28050 /haiku/trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs):[23:10:03] <CIA-5> * updated build opengl headers to 7.2[23:10:03] <CIA-5> * added opengl to build be api headers[23:10:03] <CIA-5> * define USES_BE_API for gen_matypes[23:10:03] <CIA-5> this should fix the build for Linux which don't provide GL headers :)[23:10:47] * luroh builds[23:11:00] * DeadYak too[23:11:08] * luroh fails "...failed MkMaTypes1 generated/objects/haiku/x86/common/kits/opengl/mesa/matypes.h ..."[23:11:12] <DeadYak> hmm...[23:11:15] <DeadYak> : /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libroot_build.so" not found, required by "gen_matypes"[23:12:15] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:15:50] *** rkbm has joined #haiku[23:19:42] *** ari2-free has quit IRC[23:21:19] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[23:21:59] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[23:22:09] *** senry-user has quit IRC[23:23:13] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[23:24:01] <CIA-5> korli * r28051 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/opengl/mesa/Jamfile: forgot to use HOST_ADD_BUILD_COMPATIBILITY_LIB_DIR[23:24:43] <korli> I hope this is ok now :)[23:24:58] <luroh> building :)[23:25:00] <DeadYak> trying :)[23:25:53] <DeadYak> cool, that built[23:25:56] <DeadYak> for both gcc2 and[23:25:57] <DeadYak> 4[23:26:02] <DeadYak> thanks korli :)[23:26:08] <luroh> yes, nice job[23:26:13] <anarchos> how's the gcc4 version work?[23:26:22] <luroh> (and nice meeting you at BG as well!)[23:26:32] <korli> thanks to both of you[23:26:40] <DeadYak> I just use gcc4 for the hybrid libs, I'm not doing a complete gcc4 build here[23:26:50] <DeadYak> have some stability issues with some of the drivers here[23:27:01] <anarchos> hmm[23:27:21] <anarchos> so you have a gcc2 system that also runs gcc4 compiled apps?[23:27:26] <DeadYak> yeah.[23:27:35] <anarchos> cool[23:27:56] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[23:28:10] <anarchos> that's good[23:28:19] <anarchos> i always liked the idea of the hybrid system[23:28:20] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[23:31:49] <DeadYak> bbiab[23:31:52] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[23:32:12] *** boh666 has joined #haiku[23:33:40] *** dos4 has quit IRC[23:35:18] *** pyCube has quit IRC[23:39:41] *** atomozero has joined #haiku[23:42:04] <korli> search on trac doesn't work :([23:45:24] <luroh> i noticed, but i tend to use google anyway, with the search term: site:dev.haiku-os.org[23:45:31] *** SiCuTDeUx has left #haiku[23:45:55] <luroh> mostly since it's faster[23:46:10] *** Ingenu 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