October 11, 2008 
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October 11, 2008 [00:00:24] <mmu_laptop> re[00:05:09] *** thebolt|away has quit IRC[00:06:40] *** dos4 has quit IRC[00:07:23] *** mmu_laptop has quit IRC[00:08:50] *** dos4 has joined #haiku[00:09:45] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[00:09:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[00:12:18] <CIA-5> axeld * r27961 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)[00:12:18] <CIA-5> * Threw away the broken stat() vs. _stat() mechanism to allow for more fields[00:12:18] <CIA-5> in struct stat.[00:12:18] <CIA-5> * Instead, I followed Marcus' great idea and added a compatibility check in[00:12:18] <CIA-5> the runtime loader: now, R5 binaries (also shared libraries) are detected,[00:12:20] <CIA-5> and they get special versions for stat(), fstat(), and lstat() that return[00:12:22] <CIA-5> the smaller stat struct.[00:17:17] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[00:24:51] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[00:36:31] *** adb has quit IRC[00:36:37] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[00:41:29] <ddew|bofh> wth, how the hell can Fox News even begin to claim that Palin is a better choice for VP than Biden? :O[00:42:55] <ddew|bofh> we have 30+ years of senatorial experience versus 1 term as a mayor, one term on the city council and barely 2 years as a governor[00:43:16] <mmadia> but, but, she's got the legs![00:43:33] <mmadia> : P[00:43:35] <ddew|bofh> seriously, are people really that thick?[00:44:35] <ddew|bofh> judging by how ancient McCain is she'd have a pretty big chance of becoming the president if McCain's elected[00:44:45] <ddew|bofh> that scares the living hell out of me[00:44:56] *** adb has joined #haiku[00:48:47] <mmadia> what about the fact that we're still using e-voting machines that have been proven to be unreliable.[00:52:52] <ddew|bofh> given the power of the religious right in the us i'm less concerned about the voting machines[00:53:30] <ddew|bofh> meaning i don't think cheating is needed for the republicans to win[00:54:51] <mmadia> on a side note, i despise libiconv1.12[00:55:07] <ddew|bofh> oh? refusing to build in haiku?[00:55:24] <mmadia> trouble getting it to build as a shared lib.[00:55:39] <ddew|bofh> oh joy[00:55:40] <mmadia> and now, having trouble reproducing my steps to do so :/[00:56:06] <ddew|bofh> yeah, i suck at documenting my stuff too :)[00:56:17] <ddew|bofh> it really comes back to bite you in the end[01:03:50] <ddew|bofh> hmm, am i the only one failling to see the point of zevenos?[01:04:28] <ddew|bofh> looking at the screenshots it's pretty obvious that the things i love about the Be OS are mainly emulated look wise and not function wise[01:05:01] <ddew|bofh> their Magi app looks nice though[01:05:32] <dos4> vsftpd sucks. can't do any virtual directories with that one :([01:05:39] <dos4> and chroot jail sucks, because you can't symlink directories into it[01:06:06] <dos4> and hardlinks suck, because ln says "hardlink not allowed for directory"[01:07:01] <ddew|bofh> i recommend proftpd[01:07:25] <ddew|bofh> takes some rtfm-ing but it's rock solid[01:07:41] <dos4> doesn't that one need sql? im still rtfming[01:07:57] <ddew|bofh> not to my knowledge[01:08:36] <ddew|bofh> i've got nothing related to sql in my conmfig anyhoo[01:08:40] <ddew|bofh> *config[01:08:47] *** wildur has quit IRC[01:10:32] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[01:10:55] <mmu_man> anyone has IPs for DNS that are accessible from germany ?[01:11:39] <dos4> 217.237.151.142[01:12:14] <mmu_man> seems the firewall at the youth hotel's DHCP provided DNS has a limited number of users[01:12:23] <mmu_man> korli has problems using it[01:12:25] <mmu_man> thx[01:12:33] <dos4> err, better try 194.25.2.129[01:15:10] *** Korli has joined #haiku[01:15:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Korli[01:15:22] <Korli> thanks dos4[01:20:17] <CIA-5> axeld * r27962 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/activitymonitor/ (ActivityView.cpp DataSource.cpp DataSource.h):[01:20:17] <CIA-5> * The network usage data sources are now actually using a single scale as[01:20:17] <CIA-5> intended before.[01:20:17] <CIA-5> * Also found a bug in the scales that prevented them from working.[01:25:30] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/codycam.html[01:26:00] <ddew|bofh> heh, hard-core[01:26:38] <CIA-5> mmu_man * r27963 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/codycam/SftpClient.cpp: Support IP:port notation in the server field for sftp, pass it as -oPort=port.[01:27:43] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[01:31:18] <ddew|bofh> hm, anyone here using the rtl81xx driver?[01:37:08] *** Korli has quit IRC[01:37:42] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:43:08] <CIA-5> korli * r27964 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/audio/ac97/auich/multi.c: take sample rate from settings into account[02:02:55] *** mmadia42 has joined #haiku[02:03:11] *** mmadia has quit IRC[02:40:53] *** SunWuKung|away has joined #haiku[02:43:11] *** dos4 has quit IRC[02:44:57] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[03:05:47] *** SunWuKung|away has quit IRC[03:18:58] *** thebolt has joined #haiku[03:49:05] *** SunWuKung|away has joined #haiku[03:57:15] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[04:39:04] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[04:46:32] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[05:19:58] *** cherrylap has joined #haiku[05:22:23] *** Xenexi has joined #haiku[05:31:24] <anarchos> hmm[05:58:54] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[06:01:37] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[06:08:19] <anarchos> where can i get some haiku/beos icons in some format that does transparencies? ie gif or png[06:08:24] <anarchos> for photoshop[06:08:47] <ddew|bofh> checked out the artwork dir?[06:09:26] <ddew|bofh> in trunk/data/artwork[06:09:29] <anarchos> hmm[06:09:41] <ddew|bofh> pngs, svgs etc[06:10:24] <anarchos> hmm[06:10:41] <anarchos> is that accessable online somewhere?[06:12:08] <DeadYak> http://svn.berlios.de/wsvn/haiku/haiku/trunk/data/artwork/[06:12:19] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[06:15:47] <anarchos> thx[06:18:09] <DeadYak> np[06:32:49] <mmadia42> any suggestions on how to get glib's configure to realize gettext's headers are in /boot/common/include?[06:33:56] <DeadYak> depends on what options its configure has[06:34:21] <mmadia42> as in --please-work type of options?[06:35:40] <DeadYak> they often have one about include dirs[06:36:25] <ddew|bofh> ah, autotools. how i loathe thee[06:36:26] <mmadia42> CLFLAGS=-I/boot/common/include[06:36:54] <mmadia42> LDFLAGS=-L/boot/common/lib is also being used.[06:37:51] <mmadia42> i'll try using CPPFLAGS=-I/boot/common/include too[06:38:13] <DeadYak> should be CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS[06:38:45] <mmadia42> adding CPPFLAGS seems to have gotten past the gettext header detection, thanks : )[06:38:51] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[06:39:06] <DeadYak> ah[06:51:37] <CIA-5> anevilyak * r27965 /haiku/trunk/ (12 files in 3 dirs):[06:51:37] <CIA-5> Add the current version of JiSheng Zhang's firewire_dv media add-on to the[06:51:37] <CIA-5> build. This is mostly complete, excepting BBufferConsumer's virtuals are not[06:51:37] <CIA-5> yet implemented, and needs more testing to ensure that the encoded stream is[06:51:37] <CIA-5> correctly read from the camera, though based off preliminary tests by Francois,[06:51:38] <CIA-5> detection/publishing at least seems to work.[06:54:37] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[06:59:07] * DeadYak gets forced to do math problems in order to send his email[06:59:25] <ddew|bofh> ah, the gmail lock[06:59:33] <ddew|bofh> brilliant idea that is :)[07:00:02] <ddew|bofh> they should have a similar lock on cellphones to prevent bootycalls too[07:00:15] <DeadYak> yeah, I turned it on for amusement[07:00:26] <DeadYak> forgot I'm currently in the time frame where it enforces that :)[07:00:37] <ddew|bofh> heh[07:01:28] <DeadYak> I did make some joking suggestions about that though[07:01:35] <DeadYak> its highest difficulty setting is still not very hard :)[07:01:46] <DeadYak> so I suggested they make it throw integral calculus at you or something :)[07:01:51] <ddew|bofh> i'm guessing it is when you're shitfaced[07:02:10] <DeadYak> well, at easiest it just makes you do addition with 2 digit numbers[07:02:10] <ddew|bofh> hell, even the most basic arithmetic gets tricky then :)[07:02:26] <DeadYak> at hardest it throws in 3 digit numbers and multiplication / division[07:03:12] <ddew|bofh> guess it's to prevent various stages of drunkeness[07:03:16] <DeadYak> hah[07:03:27] <ddew|bofh> almost as excellent as the youtube comment read aloud[07:03:40] *** Xenexi has quit IRC[07:07:24] <DeadYak> this weekend should be interesting[07:08:02] <ddew|bofh> indeed[07:08:15] <ddew|bofh> hopefully we'll have an alpha to mess around with next week[07:08:33] <ddew|bofh> not that it matters all that much for us who like to keep the tree synced, but still :)[07:09:32] <DeadYak> dunno about that quickly, but we'll see[07:09:53] <ddew|bofh> that's what the begeistert website says anyway :)[07:10:27] <ddew|bofh> but yeah, i'm in no hurry[07:10:55] <ddew|bofh> it's stable enough for my hackage regardless of alpha tag[07:13:14] <ddew|bofh> ah well, time for some shuteye. nn ladies :)[07:13:20] <DeadYak> night night[07:13:26] *** ddew|bofh has quit IRC[07:15:05] *** adb has quit IRC[07:19:28] *** anarchos has quit IRC[07:27:32] *** Euver has joined #haiku[07:38:36] *** Euver has quit IRC[07:50:00] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[07:51:58] *** Qu4Z has joined #haiku[07:54:03] <mmadia42> real basic question, but how would i specify two directories with the CLFLAGS= tag ?[07:55:04] <Begasus> in the configure file? ;)[07:56:21] <mmadia42> no, like a one-liner ./configure --blah CPPFLAGS=-I/boot/common/include and /boot/home/config/include[08:02:07] <Begasus> you could do something like $CPPFLAGS = $HOME/config/ and then do CPPFLAGS = "$CPPLAGS -i/boot/common/config" or somthing in that line inside configure I think ...[08:02:41] * Begasus is still not convinced to use /boot/common though ...[08:03:45] <Begasus> later peeps[08:10:11] *** mmadia42 has quit IRC[08:29:45] *** anomaly has joined #haiku[08:43:52] *** Monni has joined #Haiku[08:49:59] *** Begasus has quit IRC[09:14:44] *** stargater has joined #haiku[09:15:19] *** stargater has quit IRC[09:16:43] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[09:16:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[09:19:45] *** luroh|bg has joined #haiku[09:20:24] *** digitalteufel has joined #haiku[09:20:45] *** anomaly has left #haiku[09:27:40] *** Qu4Z has quit IRC[09:28:15] *** Qu4Z has joined #haiku[09:30:07] <CIA-5> bonefish * r27966 /haiku/trunk/ (11 files in 3 dirs):[09:30:07] <CIA-5> * Added "flags" parameter to VMCache::Read().[09:30:07] <CIA-5> * Use the new VMCache::Read() flags parameter to directly read into the[09:30:07] <CIA-5> physical page in the page fault handler instead of mapping it first.[09:30:46] <geist> aww yeah, now we're talkin[09:34:05] *** Qu4Z has quit IRC[09:39:31] *** luroh|bg has quit IRC[09:40:24] *** Xenexi has joined #haiku[09:58:14] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[09:58:57] *** aldeck has left #haiku[10:07:20] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/codycam.html BG CodyCam[10:07:37] <geist> hmm[10:22:51] *** luroh has joined #haiku[10:23:50] <CIA-5> mmu_man * r27967 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/codycam/CodyCam.cpp: Got rid of the ugly non-working hack to hide the password and use BTextView::HideTyping() instead. Seems the BeOS one removes the text on call !?[10:24:23] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[10:25:33] <digitalteufel> Does the coding sprint take place during BeGeistert?[10:26:49] <mmu_man> after[10:29:26] <Monni> first they get drunk enough and then they start coding stuff they don't understand the next morning ;)[10:41:07] <CIA-5> mmu_man * r27968 /haiku/trunk/src/system/runtime_loader/elf.cpp: Avoid crashing if gccPlatform is NULL, thanks Axel![10:42:06] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[10:43:13] <digitalteufel> Can the Tracker be restarted if it crashes?[10:43:35] <mmu_man> yes[10:43:40] <mmu_man> CTRL-ALT-DEL[10:43:45] <mmu_man> wait 1s[10:43:49] <mmu_man> click "Restart Desktop"[10:44:02] <mmu_man> (or use ProcessController in the Deskbar if it's there)[10:44:22] <digitalteufel> Shouldn't this be done automatically?[10:46:07] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[10:47:36] <mmu_man> no[10:47:44] <mmu_man> maybe it's been quit on purpose :)[10:47:55] <mmu_man> well there is something on bebits that does it[10:50:25] <digitalteufel> It shouldn't be a problem to tell the difference between a crash and a manual shutdown of the Tracker right?[10:58:23] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[11:03:44] *** pyCube_ has joined #haiku[11:03:44] *** pyCube has quit IRC[11:08:15] *** daste has joined #haiku[11:14:35] *** Stefan100 has joined #haiku[11:17:25] *** Xenexi has quit IRC[11:22:53] <mmu_man> oops[11:22:57] <mmu_man> Pe doesn't start anymore[11:23:02] <mmu_man> made a mistake I guess[11:23:14] <Stefan100> plop[11:24:26] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[11:24:51] <Begasus> 'lo live from BG ;)[11:28:49] <mmu_man> [10:11] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/codycam.html BG CodyCam[11:29:36] <Begasus> ;)[11:31:30] <digitalteufel> How many people are there?[11:33:09] <mmu_man> 20 and axel disapeared[11:35:13] <digitalteufel> disappeared?[11:36:19] <Begasus> vanashed?[11:36:28] <Begasus> err ... vanished*[11:36:29] <Begasus> ;)[11:36:42] <Begasus> booting to haiku ...[11:36:45] *** Begasus has quit IRC[11:49:52] *** Exterios has joined #haiku[11:52:09] <mmu_man> i586-pc-haiku-gcc: Internal compiler error: program as got fatal signal 21[11:52:21] <mmu_man> probably doesn't like building Pe at the same time[11:52:36] <mmu_man> protection violation (access to kernel page)[11:52:41] <mmu_man> funky[11:56:28] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[12:04:55] *** tqh has joined #haiku[12:07:20] *** SunWuKung|away has quit IRC[12:14:45] *** Xenexi has joined #haiku[12:15:31] *** cherrylap has quit IRC[12:17:19] <digitalteufel> I wish compiling was faster on Haiku :([12:19:37] *** pyCube_ has quit IRC[12:23:43] *** boh666 has joined #haiku[12:37:52] *** boh666 has quit IRC[13:05:32] *** Euver has joined #haiku[13:05:52] <mmu_man> oh[13:05:59] <mmu_man> forgot to make the symbol C linkage...[13:08:37] <tqh> ooh, I want a Intel ssd[13:16:26] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[13:23:58] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[13:34:46] *** leszek has joined #haiku[13:35:06] <leszek> hi[13:38:04] *** johndrinkwater has quit IRC[13:41:23] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[13:45:18] *** johndrinkwater has joined #haiku[14:02:59] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[14:07:35] <mmu_man> plop[14:07:42] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/codycam.html BG CodyCam[14:09:24] <tqh> nice image :)[14:11:31] *** atomozero has joined #haiku[14:12:31] <atomozero> http://www.haiku-os.it/image/tid/200 :)[14:12:53] <aguent> i hope it's okay to ask a question about the be api here...if not: feel free to point me to another channel....ok: when i receive an B_KEY_DOWN event..is there any convenient way to find out if the stuff i got is actually a printable character (not like arrow keys or backspace...)... or do i have to make a long switch and check for "bad" keycodes[14:23:24] <tqh> good question :)[14:25:02] <tqh> afaik it's up to you to do the dirty work[14:26:33] <aguent> i was afraid to get such an reply...but okay, thanks anyway ;)[14:31:53] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[14:47:03] *** Xenexi has quit IRC[14:48:33] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[14:51:49] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[14:57:44] *** Barrett666_ has joined #haiku[14:58:02] *** Barrett666_ has quit IRC[14:58:08] *** Barrett666_ has joined #haiku[15:09:58] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[15:13:43] <tqh> mmu_man, that cam sure is action-filled.[15:13:51] <mmu_man> eh[15:14:16] <tqh> the bg cody cam[15:14:17] <mmadia> any ideas why glib-2.18.1's configure is crapping out? error message: http://pastebin.com/m451dd79c configure file: soon to follow, i hope.[15:14:57] <tqh> seems to be a broken configure file.[15:15:26] <tqh> do you change configure.in and generate configure with autoconf?[15:16:27] <mmadia> no + no.[15:17:33] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[15:18:19] <tqh> it is how you should work with it usually, but I think it's a problem with line 44470-1 or 44470[15:19:45] <mmadia> yeah, i just don't see the error... if anything PKG_CHECK_MODULES[15:20:28] <tqh> add the lines to the pastebin[15:21:25] *** cherrylap has joined #haiku[15:22:00] *** luroh has quit IRC[15:22:28] <mmadia> line 46 = 44470 http://pastebin.com/m1ead0c02[15:22:45] *** Xenexi has joined #haiku[15:23:22] <tqh> it's not just the line break?[15:24:58] <tqh> or is $PCRE_REQUIRED_VERSION not set?[15:25:04] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[15:28:36] <mmadia> line break = confirmed no.[15:29:34] <mmadia> $PCRE_REQUIRED_VERSION appears to be set to 7.2[15:35:39] <tqh> no idea then[15:35:40] *** thotypous has quit IRC[15:36:45] *** adb has joined #haiku[15:40:20] <judgen> darn i got drunk yesterday.. just awoke 15:41[15:44:38] <judgen> to use a custom video resolution i must recomplie the driver with an updated ProposeDisplayMode.c with my mode in it under : Valid mode list?[15:44:47] <judgen> Am i correct?[15:45:11] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[15:45:42] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[15:49:22] <mmadia> no idea judgen.[15:49:33] *** pl_busy has joined #haiku[15:49:35] <pl_busy> plip[15:49:52] <pl_busy> how is doing the begeistert?[15:49:55] *** pl_busy is now known as plfiorini[15:50:25] <mmadia> mmu_man has a cody cam url of the action.[15:50:52] <plfiorini> good job mmu_man![15:50:53] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[15:51:17] <mmadia> it's all the excitement of watching people type their keyboards ; )[15:51:52] <mmadia> http://revolf.free.fr/codycam.html[15:52:21] <judgen> mmadia is there ujst a green thing right now?[15:52:37] <judgen> wonder what it its[15:52:39] <judgen> is[15:52:52] <plfiorini> next year I want to be there for my haiku projects and osdrawer[15:53:12] <Rakhun> looks like a ceiling imo.. or a wall[15:53:14] <plfiorini> let's see if after all those years my intetion will be become reality[15:53:39] <plfiorini> i will need to buy a laptop though[15:53:48] <plfiorini> wow nice green thing![15:54:16] <judgen> maybe its BG with all the coders desks from space[15:54:20] <mmadia> it had a better view a few hours ago.[15:54:31] <plfiorini> :)[15:54:35] <judgen> i might have fallen over[15:55:13] <judgen> it[15:55:34] *** luroh has joined #haiku[15:56:00] *** TheNerd has joined #haiku[16:00:31] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[16:03:51] *** cherrylap has quit IRC[16:04:22] *** ormandj has quit IRC[16:04:23] *** ormandj has joined #haiku[16:04:41] *** ormandj has quit IRC[16:04:50] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[16:07:27] *** thotypous has quit IRC[16:08:30] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[16:09:00] *** cherrylap has joined #haiku[16:10:50] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[16:18:41] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[16:18:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[16:24:25] *** plfiorini is now known as pl_busy[16:24:29] *** aldeck has left #haiku[16:30:32] *** mmadia42 has joined #haiku[16:38:09] *** mmadia42 has quit IRC[16:39:28] *** Xenexi has quit IRC[16:42:00] *** leszek has quit IRC[16:47:10] <mmadia> codycam back up![16:50:53] *** pl_busy is now known as plfiorini[16:50:55] <plfiorini> a head![16:51:16] <plfiorini> mmm is he giuseppe gargaro?[16:51:35] <luroh> yes[16:51:43] <plfiorini> hehehe[16:52:10] <plfiorini> damn! i want to be there[16:52:56] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[16:53:01] *** senry-user has quit IRC[16:54:22] <luroh> two heads! ;)[16:55:17] <mmadia> are better than one![16:55:24] <plfiorini> still see one[16:56:06] <luroh> yeah giuseppe ate him[16:56:19] <plfiorini> ahahah[16:56:32] <plfiorini> is he that big seen live?[16:57:23] <CIA-5> korli * r27969 /haiku/trunk/src/system/libroot/os/driver_settings.c:[16:57:23] <CIA-5> * correctly init ref_count on driver settings handles[16:57:23] <CIA-5> * unload settings when ref_count is zero and boot device is available[16:59:27] *** oco has joined #haiku[17:00:00] <luroh> nah, the cam is just pointed awkwardly[17:04:23] <CIA-5> mmu_man * r27970 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Remove that cirrus driver I never really started on. QEMU is getting vmware graphics support anyway now.[17:04:50] <mmu_man> yeah the can has a very weak leg[17:04:53] <mmu_man> doesn't stick[17:04:56] <mmu_man> cam[17:05:18] * mmadia offers mmu_man duct tape[17:09:24] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[17:16:25] <CIA-5> bonefish * r27971 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs):[17:16:25] <CIA-5> * Added kernel tracing for the page daemon and the page writer.[17:16:25] <CIA-5> * Added some commented out debug output in vm.cpp.[17:20:22] *** thotypous has quit IRC[17:20:35] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[17:24:12] *** KariLap has joined #haiku[17:24:19] *** KariLap has left #haiku[17:28:22] *** cherrylap has quit IRC[17:29:40] *** oco has quit IRC[17:30:27] <CIA-5> korli * r27972 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/audio/ac97/auich/ (auich.c auich.h multi.c):[17:30:27] <CIA-5> moved the check for settings like sample rate, buffer count, buffer frames in open()[17:30:27] <CIA-5> changes on auich.settings are now taken into account when restarting media_server[17:38:55] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[18:06:25] *** boh666 has joined #haiku[18:18:48] * JonathanThompson notes it's not a good sign when you have hostage situations in your dreams[18:19:58] <umccullough> damn, trying to download something via torrent that has no seeders, and i'm stuck at 99.6%[18:20:08] <umccullough> pita[18:21:26] <JonathanThompson> Need to borrow a <grumble> ?[18:21:38] <umccullough> nah, i have a pile of them here somewhere[18:35:46] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[18:39:38] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[18:40:07] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[18:42:34] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[18:42:35] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[18:45:21] *** judgen has quit IRC[18:49:59] *** boh666 has quit IRC[18:51:48] *** acidx has joined #haiku[18:59:32] *** Monni has left #Haiku[19:20:47] *** Euver has quit IRC[19:28:11] <CIA-5> zooey * r27973 /haiku/trunk/headers/private/net/ProtocolUtilities.h:[19:28:11] <CIA-5> * we no longer demand the socket that receives a broadcast[19:28:11] <CIA-5> datagram to have the SO_BROADCAST flags set (the flag[19:28:11] <CIA-5> is only needed for sending a broadcast) - fixes part of[19:28:11] <CIA-5> #2065[19:37:32] *** quittt has joined #haiku[19:37:34] <quittt> hello[19:37:39] <quittt> sadly... I'm missing BeOS =/[19:37:44] <quittt> how is Haiku now?[19:41:30] <mmu_man> getting there :)[19:41:46] <quittt> mmu_man, I'm anxious... it will be an awesome app[19:42:14] *** tqh has quit IRC[19:44:13] *** tqh has joined #haiku[19:44:47] <umccullough> might even be a whole awesome OS :)[19:51:28] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[19:52:38] *** leszek has joined #haiku[19:52:57] <leszek> re[19:53:23] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[19:56:09] *** aguent has quit IRC[19:57:28] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[19:59:28] *** Barrett666_ has quit IRC[20:06:42] *** adb_ has joined #haiku[20:06:43] *** adb has quit IRC[20:10:24] <CIA-5> bonefish * r27974 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs):[20:10:24] <CIA-5> Added functions to pin a thread to the current CPU (i.e. it will only be[20:10:24] <CIA-5> scheduled on that CPU) and to avoid unscheduling it.[20:11:21] <CIA-5> bonefish * r27975 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/arch/x86/arch_vm_translation_map.cpp:[20:11:21] <CIA-5> Don't disable interrupts in flush_tmap() and map_iospace_chunk(), just[20:11:21] <CIA-5> pin the thread to the current CPU.[20:11:52] *** ddew|bofh has joined #haiku[20:11:56] <ddew|bofh> g'evening[20:12:28] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[20:12:55] <Begasus> evening peeps[20:12:59] * Begasus is back home[20:13:02] <ddew|bofh> hiya[20:24:50] <CIA-5> stippi * r27976 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/WorkspacesView.cpp:[20:24:50] <CIA-5> Polished the rendering of the miniature windows in Workspaces.[20:24:50] <CIA-5> * The window names are now drawn.[20:24:50] <CIA-5> * The window scaling is improved to avoid wobbly placement[20:24:50] <CIA-5> when windows move slightly.[20:24:50] <CIA-5> * The tab rect is scaled to size, not a single line.[20:26:05] *** xcasex has quit IRC[20:26:09] *** xcasex has joined #haiku[20:28:23] <leszek> Begasus, any news from the BG ?[20:28:33] <Begasus> it's great there ;)[20:28:36] <leszek> maybe a alpha version of Haiku ?[20:28:40] <leszek> :D[20:28:49] <Begasus> not that I've seen[20:28:50] <Begasus> :P[20:29:23] <Begasus> stippi and mmu_man did a presentation (IconOMatic and NetSurf)[20:29:29] <leszek> I heard rumors r28000 will be the Alpha 1[20:29:44] <leszek> ah NetSurf was running ?![20:29:47] <leszek> never did here[20:29:53] <Begasus> still 24 removed from it ;)[20:29:57] <Begasus> I also works here[20:30:18] <leszek> ah interesting, perhaps I have to compile the newest revision[20:31:19] <leszek> is there anybody taking a video of the presentations ?[20:31:28] <Begasus> had some talks with lelldorin and lorglass too ;)[20:31:43] <Begasus> not that I've seen ...[20:34:40] <ddew|bofh> shame, videos would've been great[20:34:58] <ddew|bofh> for us non-attendees :)[20:45:37] *** mmu_laptop has joined #haiku[20:45:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_laptop[20:45:56] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[20:50:21] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[20:50:51] * DaaT slaps Begasus[20:51:15] <Begasus> hi DaaT ![20:51:21] <Begasus> where have you been?![20:51:22] <DaaT> hiya :)[20:51:33] * Begasus smaks DaaT for not being at BG![20:51:52] <DaaT> you're there?[20:52:04] <DaaT> i couldn't make it :([20:52:18] <Begasus> back at home now[20:52:25] <DaaT> ahh[20:52:25] <Begasus> been there during the day[20:52:27] <DaaT> had fun?[20:52:36] <Begasus> yeah was great (as always)[20:52:40] <DaaT> :([20:52:42] * DaaT sobs[20:52:49] <Begasus> even played some table tennis with Bas (syllable)[20:52:59] * Begasus hands DaaT a tissue[20:53:02] <DaaT> cool[20:53:02] * DeadYak slaps DaaT too[20:53:12] <Begasus> ;)[20:53:13] <DaaT> they have table tennis now??[20:53:17] * DaaT kicks Begasus[20:53:27] <DaaT> ooops... I meant DeadYak :P[20:53:30] <Begasus> you wouldn't recognize the place back[20:53:34] <Begasus> yeah right! :P[20:53:37] <DaaT> that changed?[20:53:52] <Begasus> yeah ... a good thing the entrance is still in the old place ;)[20:53:59] * DaaT kicks DeadYak <--- see Begasus?[20:54:01] <DaaT> lol, yeah[20:54:13] <Begasus> hehe[20:54:28] <Begasus> stippi did a presentation on how IconOMatic works[20:54:30] <DaaT> what else is new?[20:54:39] <DaaT> cool. How many ppl there, any idea?[20:54:40] <Begasus> and Francois did some demo with NetSurf[20:54:43] <PulkoMandy> +++[20:54:46] <DeadYak> nice :)[20:54:47] <DaaT> oh cool[20:54:48] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[20:54:50] * DaaT pets mmu_laptop[20:54:50] <Begasus> prox 30 I think[20:54:58] <DaaT> 30? nice[20:55:02] <mmu_laptop> plop[20:55:09] <Begasus> or somewhere in the mid 20's ;)[20:55:15] <mmu_laptop> until I ran out of battery :)[20:55:26] <DaaT> Begasus :)[20:55:27] <DaaT> mmu_laptop :P[20:55:39] <DaaT> how did netsurf behave?[20:55:40] <Begasus> yeah! :d[20:56:39] <ddew|bofh> speaking of network... :P[20:57:04] <ddew|bofh> i read in a comment to a bug in rtl81xx that setting the priority to less than realtime helped[20:57:37] <ddew|bofh> how bad is it for the driver to work in a non-realtime prio in regards to speed and/or workability?[20:58:11] <ddew|bofh> will it start losing packets or does it just take a speed hit?[20:58:17] <DeadYak> quite possibly the former[20:58:21] <DeadYak> the thread in question is the taskq thread[20:58:37] <ddew|bofh> related to the new I/O scheduler?[20:58:40] <DeadYak> no[20:58:45] <DeadYak> I/O sched has zero to do with network traffic[20:58:54] <DeadYak> taskq is one of the mechanisms the FreeBSD net drivers use[20:59:00] <ddew|bofh> ah, i see[20:59:03] *** Exterios has left #haiku[20:59:09] <DeadYak> it's realtime because it's supposed to be reacted to very quickly on interrupts[20:59:16] * ddew|bofh learned something new today :P[20:59:20] <DeadYak> driver looping in there indicates something's wrong with the driver :)[20:59:39] <DeadYak> probably bad handling of shared interrupts or something along those lines[20:59:41] <ddew|bofh> bugger, i'd really like to have networking on the aspire one :)[21:00:06] <DeadYak> is that thing a netbook or what?[21:00:11] <ddew|bofh> yeah[21:00:17] <ddew|bofh> and haiku really flies on it[21:00:22] <DeadYak> well, who knows, maybe someone has one at BG / code sprint[21:00:49] <ddew|bofh> feels faster than my haiku desktop actually despite having a quarter of the ram and a single core cpu[21:00:55] <DaaT> cool[21:01:37] <DeadYak> ddew|bofh: random curiosity, if you disable the other cores on the desktop does it perform any better?[21:01:38] <ddew|bofh> the hw is pretty well supported as far as graphics, chipset and stuff goes[21:01:56] <DeadYak> wondering if it's affinity issues or something along those lines[21:01:58] <ddew|bofh> DeadYak: the desktop works fine, it doesn't use that driver[21:02:09] <DeadYak> ddew|bofh: I realize, I meant more in general[21:02:35] <ddew|bofh> it actually performs slightly worse with just one core[21:02:39] <DeadYak> ah[21:02:44] <DeadYak> just wondered[21:02:56] <ddew|bofh> i'm guessing the sata and unsupported video is tricky[21:03:08] * DeadYak nods[21:03:11] <DeadYak> ahci or ..[21:03:12] <DeadYak> ?[21:03:16] <ddew|bofh> yeah[21:03:23] <DeadYak> hm, anything in syslog about timeouts or whatnot?[21:03:24] <ddew|bofh> ich8[21:03:28] <DeadYak> I was under the impression the ahci driver worked fine[21:03:58] <ddew|bofh> i don't have the box running atm but there are some timeouts dealing with the ide controller iirc[21:04:05] <DeadYak> ah[21:04:06] <ddew|bofh> which isn't even used[21:04:19] <DeadYak> could try disabling the IDE/PATA interface in the BIOS[21:04:27] <ddew|bofh> but it's a jmicron device and those are crap regardless of os[21:04:47] <DaaT> Begasus, does the hostel have net access now?[21:04:52] <DeadYak> really? marcus was impressed by their SATA implementation[21:05:00] <DeadYak> DaaT: yep[21:05:04] <DeadYak> DaaT: hence mmu_laptop as well[21:05:08] <Begasus> yeah DaaT[21:05:10] <DaaT> true[21:05:13] * DaaT slaps himself[21:05:14] <ddew|bofh> yeah, i've disabled it but for some reason an ide device shows up. thinking it's either some emulation or that the chip doesn't get fully disabled[21:05:20] <DaaT> so why no pics yet?!?! ggrrr[21:05:21] <DeadYak> speaking of, somebody say hi to Axel, Ingo and Stephan for me :)[21:05:24] <DaaT> mmu_laptop, is ithamar there?[21:05:27] <DeadYak> DaaT: mmu has a codycam up[21:05:36] <DaaT> DeadYak, url?[21:05:37] <mmu_laptop> no[21:05:39] <Begasus> Charlie set it up and his laptop is functioning as a gateway (for those needed)[21:05:42] <DeadYak> DaaT: http://revolf.free.fr/codycam.html[21:05:45] <DaaT> thanks[21:05:46] <mmu_laptop> DeadYak it's down atm[21:05:50] <DeadYak> aw :([21:05:50] <DaaT> thx mmu_laptop[21:05:52] <DaaT> ah, bummer[21:06:00] <Begasus> DaaT, if you let me finish the topic you'll have a few ones in a sec :P[21:06:01] <DeadYak> well, there's a blurry pic up :P[21:06:10] <DaaT> Begasus, deal :)[21:06:34] <DeadYak> mmu_laptop: don't suppose anyone there has an FW DV cam? :)[21:06:46] <mmu_laptop> no :([21:06:49] <DeadYak> darn[21:07:38] <Begasus> http://begasus.blogspot.com/2008/10/begeistert-019-alphaville.html[21:07:44] *** warpdesign has joined #haiku[21:07:57] <DeadYak> holy crap, yeah the hostel looks different now[21:08:05] <Begasus> told ya ;)[21:08:12] <DaaT> THAT'S the hostel? wow[21:08:23] <Begasus> they are not sitting in the basement anymore also[21:08:41] <ddew|bofh> heh, i might actually have stayed there once[21:08:44] <DeadYak> stippi's looking different from the last time I saw him :)[21:08:47] <DaaT> we weren't in the basement before :)[21:08:52] <DaaT> DeadYak, i know what you mean[21:08:56] <DaaT> like... he grew up![21:08:58] <DaaT> :)[21:09:09] <Begasus> well you know ... ;)[21:09:32] <DeadYak> DaaT: I didn't think he was *that* young last time I saw him[21:09:33] <ddew|bofh> how's the time-frame for beigeisterts, annual?[21:09:42] <DeadYak> ddew|bofh: bi-annual I think?[21:09:44] <DaaT> DeadYak, I just mean in looks[21:09:49] <DeadYak> DaaT: right, so do I[21:09:51] <DaaT> DeadYak, yes[21:10:09] <ddew|bofh> and the language of choice during it is? i'm hoping english :P[21:10:11] <DaaT> and there's mmu_laptop[21:10:22] <DaaT> ddew|bofh, whichever you speak[21:10:26] <DaaT> those lots of germans there[21:10:31] <DaaT> which makes sense ;)[21:10:42] <ddew|bofh> DaaT: well i'm thinking presentations and whatnot :)[21:10:47] <DaaT> ddew|bofh, englishj[21:10:51] <ddew|bofh> neato[21:10:57] <ddew|bofh> might drop by the next one then[21:11:20][21:11:25] <DaaT> you'll enjoy it i'm sure[21:11:33] <DeadYak> ddew|bofh: aren't you in sweden?[21:11:49] <DaaT> Begasus, nice write up, thanks[21:11:53] <DaaT> and for the pics as welll[21:11:53] <ddew|bofh> DeadYak: yeah, but anything less than 2000km is "pretty close" :)[21:11:58] <DeadYak> ddew|bofh: hah[21:12:10] <Begasus> np ... just a small thing ;)[21:12:13] <ddew|bofh> as long as i can drive it in less than 24 hours[21:13:35] <ThomasShirley> netsurf, nice[21:13:39] <DaaT> yeah[21:13:54] <DeadYak> BG's fun, wish I could have gone[21:14:02] <DaaT> me too :'([21:14:10] <DeadYak> DaaT: you just miss the Seat Toledo :P[21:14:25] <DaaT> :P[21:14:42] *** Exterios has joined #haiku[21:14:44] <DaaT> nah, I just miss sharing a bed with you[21:14:46] <DaaT> ;D[21:14:48] <DeadYak> that too :P[21:14:57] * DeadYak makes gagging noise[21:15:07] <DaaT> oh c'mon, it's not THAT big[21:15:11] * DaaT ducks[21:15:12] <DeadYak> ............[21:15:14] <warpdesign> hi :)[21:15:18] <DeadYak> hiya[21:15:26] <DaaT> hi warpdesign, and sorry for the conversation :P[21:15:45] <DeadYak> some old jokes never die :)[21:15:48] <Begasus> once they go BG memorylane ... ;)[21:15:52] <ddew|bofh> wow, this place just took a weird turn[21:15:57] <DaaT> lol[21:16:03] <warpdesign> hey[21:16:05] <warpdesign> no problem :)[21:16:10] <warpdesign> was funny[21:16:12] <Begasus> the dark mistories of BG (after dark that is)[21:16:25] <DaaT> *grin*[21:17:01] <DeadYak> :P[21:18:42] <DaaT> getting lost in belgium and walking for a few miles with the luggage....[21:18:45] <DaaT> :D[21:18:54] * DeadYak whistles[21:18:57] <DeadYak> I'm innocent![21:19:00] <DaaT> suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure[21:19:07] <DaaT> lovely chili though[21:19:16] <DeadYak> the food at that hotel was awesome[21:19:22] <DaaT> aye[21:19:54] <DeadYak> hell, the food pretty much everywhere down there[21:20:02] <DaaT> :)[21:20:04] <DeadYak> if there's one thing I miss from .be, it's that[21:20:05] <DaaT> putten steak at 4am[21:20:09] <DeadYak> ROTFL[21:20:12] <DeadYak> I forgot about that[21:20:30] <DaaT> that was the the 2nd time I went there actually :)[21:20:42] <ThomasShirley> Anyone here use Yellowtab?[21:20:46] <ThomasShirley> (zeta)[21:20:54] <DeadYak> not in a few years now[21:21:03] <DaaT> ThomasShirley, same as DeadYak[21:21:07] <warpdesign> anyone here use haiku ? :p[21:21:14] <ddew|bofh> i do[21:21:16] <DeadYak> on my other box, yeah[21:21:16] <ddew|bofh> :P[21:21:19] * DeadYak points at AnEvilYak[21:21:19] <ThomasShirley> From time to time[21:21:28] <DaaT> no haiku here[21:21:31] <warpdesign> nah, as your main os i mean...[21:21:33] <DaaT> no wifi yet[21:21:36] <warpdesign> "other box" doesn't count ;)[21:22:30] <DeadYak> warpdesign: depends what room I'm in, Haiku on the laptop's infeasible due to lack of wifi, otherwise I would[21:23:07] <warpdesign> well, isn't there a way to use bsd drivers in haiku ?[21:23:27] <warpdesign> network drivers that is[21:23:29] <DeadYak> yes, but the wireless portion of the BSD stack isn't currently present[21:23:43] <DeadYak> there's work in progress on that by tqh, but it's not far enough along to be 100% usable yet[21:23:45] <ddew|bofh> and even if the drivers work they can be erratic[21:23:56] <warpdesign> ah ok, that's too bad[21:23:58] <DeadYak> see http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/1050[21:24:17] <DaaT> yeah, it's a shame. We need wifi!!! :)[21:25:14] <ddew|bofh> wifi would be nice to have but it's hardly a blocker :)[21:25:36] <ddew|bofh> convenient? yes. crucial? no way[21:25:53] <DeadYak> yes and no, with the increasing prevalence of laptops and netbooks...[21:25:56] <DaaT> sure it is, don't say that! *slaps ddew|bofh*[21:26:01] <DeadYak> it's steadily moving from luxury to must have, honestly[21:26:03] <ddew|bofh> hehe[21:26:10] <DaaT> DeadYak makes a good point[21:26:20] <ddew|bofh> i agree, i love wifi too.[21:26:29] <ddew|bofh> but there's no sense in letting it hold us back[21:26:55] <warpdesign> what else is missing for a R1 ?[21:27:05] <DaaT> i don't think an OS should shop without wifi (if that's what you mean by holding back ddew|bofh)[21:27:42] <ddew|bofh> DaaT: maybe i'm old fashioned or something but wifi isn't a blocker for me :)[21:27:53] <DaaT> correct, you're old fashioned :)[21:27:57] <warpdesign> he he[21:28:04] <ddew|bofh> *pfft* :P[21:28:08] <warpdesign> hmm.. nothing to do with haiku, but where are you from ?[21:28:13] <warpdesign> i'm just curious :)[21:28:17] <ddew|bofh> damn youngsters[21:28:30] <ddew|bofh> with their new-fnagled wifi this and wireless that[21:28:34] <DaaT> :D[21:28:39] <DaaT> warpdesign, portugal here[21:28:41] <warpdesign> lol ddew|bofh[21:28:48] <ddew|bofh> back in my days we had to punch cards with a pencil. AND WE LIKED IT!![21:28:49] <warpdesign> I like wifi[21:28:51] * DaaT slaps ddew|bofh (we're playing you atm)[21:28:57] <warpdesign> ddew|bofh: lol[21:29:05] <DaaT> ddew|bofh, you had pencils? and cards? HEAVEN I SAY, HEAVEN!![21:29:10] <ddew|bofh> hehe[21:29:21] <warpdesign> DaaT: ok, good :) got a colleague working in portugal[21:29:27] <DeadYak> <- austria[21:29:33] * ddew|bofh awaits stories of whistling into 200 baud modems :P[21:29:33] <DaaT> warpdesign, cool[21:29:40] <DaaT> ddew|bofh, 1 baud here[21:29:44] <DaaT> back in the ooooooooold days[21:29:45] <DaaT> :P[21:29:47] <warpdesign> but he is scotish lol[21:29:56] <warpdesign> DeadYak: nice[21:29:59] <warpdesign> I'm from France[21:30:15] <ddew|bofh> i'm from the civilized part of the world, sweden[21:30:24] <warpdesign> back in the old days we didn't have memory protection: any program could crash the whole os... was nice :p[21:30:36] <ddew|bofh> ah, dos. how i loathe thee[21:30:46] * DaaT misses the DOS days[21:30:47] *** Exterios has quit IRC[21:30:56] <DeadYak> warpdesign: currently living in the US though[21:31:06] <warpdesign> DeadYak: ok[21:31:11] <warpdesign> where in the us ?[21:31:22] <DeadYak> Alabama[21:31:31] <warpdesign> played with morphos recently... it's like going 15 years in the past :p[21:31:51] <ddew|bofh> there machines capable of actually running it? :O[21:31:58] <warpdesign> yes[21:32:00] <ddew|bofh> or am i thinking of amigaos?[21:32:05] <warpdesign> machines 8 years from the past lol[21:32:08] * JonathanThompson plops ploppable people precisely[21:32:08] <DeadYak> MorphOS runs on Efika iirc[21:32:15] <DeadYak> Pegasos[21:32:20] <warpdesign> got a pegasos[21:32:28] <DaaT> we have a Begasus[21:32:38] <DaaT> not as good but it's what's possible[21:32:38] <warpdesign> but it runs on efika as well indeed (wich is even slower than the pegasos)[21:32:41] <JonathanThompson> We can't run much on a Begasus ;)[21:32:55] <DaaT> JonathanThompson, he can't run *period*[21:33:01] <DaaT> ancient machine and all[21:33:03] * Begasus is trying to hold back with writing an angy mail at karl in the haik ml :/[21:33:13] <JonathanThompson> Have you verified he can't run? :)[21:33:16] <DaaT> why's that Begasus[21:33:24] <ddew|bofh> i was thinking of getting an efik but that much money for something so crippled seemed like the worst idea ever[21:33:24] <DaaT> JonathanThompson, that I have[21:33:25] * JonathanThompson believes Begasus still has two functioning legs[21:33:37] <Begasus> with all his haikuware stuff ...[21:33:43] <Begasus> and then again zeta bashing ...[21:33:44] <DaaT> Begasus, what stuff?[21:33:46] <DaaT> ah[21:33:58] <JonathanThompson> After all, how's he supposed to keep up with his pups if he can't run?[21:34:05] <warpdesign> ddew|bofh: yes... although you could buy one for very little during some time[21:34:16] <DaaT> JonathanThompson, he has his pups so they can carry him!! think man, think![21:34:25] * JonathanThompson imagines Begasus walking/running his dogs while riding a Segway[21:34:29] <Begasus> they're no pups anymore :P[21:34:47] <Begasus> another thing DaaT ... he's hosting files from zeta-games[21:34:48] <DaaT> manner of speaking[21:34:48] <JonathanThompson> Neither are you, Begasus, so at least it's a matched set! :P[21:34:54] <DaaT> Begasus, oh?[21:34:59] <warpdesign> JonathanThompson: there is also a board like the efika which runs amigaos.. and it's even more expensive... like 600euros... add a case, etc... and you're around 800euro[21:35:00] <ddew|bofh> warpdesign: still seems like a waste of money. it's not like morphos or amigaos are modern operating systems :)[21:35:01] *** Hugen_ has joined #haiku[21:35:05] <Begasus> without any question ... using screenshots etc ...[21:35:09] <Hugen_> hi all[21:35:10] <warpdesign> you can get a quadcore for that amount of money :)[21:35:11] <DaaT> Begasus, not nice[21:35:15] <Begasus> hi Hugen_ ;)[21:35:20] <Begasus> exactly DaaT[21:35:20] <Hugen_> hi Begasus[21:35:26] <DaaT> hey Hugen_[21:35:32] <warpdesign> ddew|bofh: i agree[21:35:40] <ThomasShirley> I can't believe how much software there is for Haiku[21:35:43] <Begasus> I don't have a prob that he puts them up ... but they should link to the original page were possible[21:35:44] <Hugen_> hi DaaT[21:35:45] <JonathanThompson> Or even a Mac Mini that's already assembled, just add mouse, monitor and keyboard ;)[21:35:50] <DaaT> Begasus *nod*[21:35:53] <ddew|bofh> is haikuware aiming to be an updated version of bebits or something?[21:35:55] <warpdesign> ddew|bofh: too bad they don't dump compatibility and write something new..[21:36:05] <DaaT> ddew|bofh, don't think so[21:36:07] <DaaT> imho[21:36:25] <ddew|bofh> good, because it's a painfully slow place to navigate[21:36:40] <warpdesign> the funny thing is that they now have a 3D desktop..[21:36:45] <Begasus> and his page for freeciv is even outdated ...[21:36:50] <DaaT> bebits _is_ bebits :)[21:37:00] <Begasus> he's still hosting 2.1.2 .. latest one is 2.1.6[21:37:06] <Begasus> yeah![21:37:11] <ddew|bofh> bebits seems pretty stagnated nowadays[21:37:31] <DaaT> nothing new[21:37:31] <DeadYak> yeah, bebits is more or less on autopilot now[21:37:36] <DaaT> exactly[21:37:45] <Begasus> but it's still there ...[21:38:01] <DaaT> this talk reminds me I have to pay ICO's hosting company[21:38:08] <Begasus> hehe[21:38:19] <ddew|bofh> upgrading bebits would rock[21:38:32] <ddew|bofh> face it, it's the de facto place for beos software[21:38:41] <ddew|bofh> a community effort around it would rock[21:38:46] <plfiorini> what about haikuware?[21:38:54] <warpdesign> well, think the os needs to be finished first..[21:38:57] <plfiorini> is it supposed to be the new bebits?[21:39:03] <Begasus> see comments above plfiorini[21:39:04] <DaaT> plfiorini, no, don't think so[21:39:11] <Begasus> I think karl is aiming for it[21:39:18] <DaaT> you think so?[21:39:25] <DeadYak> sounds like it[21:39:27] * DeadYak shrugs[21:39:30] <Begasus> yeah ... just my 2 cents[21:39:40] * DaaT throws 3 cents at Begasus[21:39:52] <Begasus> thanks ... almost anough for a beer ;)[21:40:00] <Begasus> enough*[21:40:12] <DaaT> :)[21:40:23] <ddew|bofh> but i gotta applaud karl's tenacity. he's mirrored all available file on bebits :)[21:40:36] <ddew|bofh> that couldn't have been easy to do[21:41:09] <Begasus> there .. mail sent ...[21:41:16] <DaaT> uh oh...[21:41:17] <Begasus> in case they linch me ... ;)[21:41:29] <Begasus> it was nice knowing you all :P[21:41:34] <ddew|bofh> hehe[21:41:49] <ddew|bofh> in that argument i support you[21:41:55] <ddew|bofh> imo zeta's less dead than r5[21:42:12] <DaaT> Begasus, link to karl's mail please?[21:42:39] <Begasus> you don't have acces to my hard drive :P[21:42:47] <ddew|bofh> zeta's far from perfect or even very good, but atleast it's more up to date[21:42:51] <DeadYak> DaaT: are you subscribed to haiku-general?[21:43:08] <DaaT> Begasus, karls' original mail I meant *slaps*[21:43:09] <Begasus> ZETA is more used then people think[21:43:13] <DaaT> DeadYak, to non[21:43:14] <DaaT> e[21:43:20] <Begasus> on the mailinglist DaaT ![21:43:22] <DeadYak> DaaT: ah[21:43:24] <DeadYak> DaaT: looking[21:43:27] <DaaT> Begasus, I KNOW![21:43:30] * DaaT slaps Begasus[21:43:37] <DaaT> sheeesh, old geezer[21:43:38] <DaaT> :P[21:43:43] <Begasus> I don't use web mailinglist *smacks*[21:43:51] <Begasus> kiddo!![21:44:00] <DeadYak> http://www.freelists.org/archives/openbeos/10-2008/msg00029.html - there's the thread[21:44:23] <DeadYak> http://www.freelists.org/archives/openbeos/10-2008/msg00051.html - there's the message Luc was replying to[21:44:48] <DaaT> thanks DeadYak[21:44:49] <DeadYak> np[21:44:54] <DaaT> Begasus, see what DeadYak did? easy[21:44:55] <DaaT> :P[21:45:19] <Begasus> well .. he's using web for that thing maybe :P[21:45:28] <DeadYak> Begasus: no, just searched freelists[21:45:52] <Begasus> I did have a reminder email from freelists though this week ;)[21:46:15] <DeadYak> anyways[21:46:17] <DeadYak> there ya go[21:46:23] <Begasus> 6 ones on freelists ...[21:46:42] <Begasus> then a few others (like scummvm, tux4kids projects ... )[21:47:03] <DeadYak> 9 mailing lists here[21:47:07] <DeadYak> no 10[21:47:27] <DeadYak> though a couple of them only really matter during GSoC time[21:47:46] <Begasus> should give you something to read from time to time ;)[21:48:03] <DeadYak> well, most of them have to do with development in some way :)[21:48:09] <Begasus> while GSoC it was a mess with the mailinglists ;)[21:48:11] <DeadYak> haiku-dev, haiku-bugs, haiku-svn, haiku-kernel, etc.[21:48:13] <Begasus> couldn't keep up ^^[21:50:22] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[21:53:46] <Begasus> here are the 'pups' now DaaT http://flickr.com/photos/begasustro/2918250562/ ;)[21:54:03] <Begasus> next one is ariving early next year hopefully[21:54:07] <DaaT> :)[21:54:31] <DaaT> going out for dinner, bbl[21:54:36] <ddew|bofh> tata[21:54:41] <DaaT> :)[21:54:48] <Begasus> enjoy ![21:56:57] <DeadYak> heading out to take care of some things here too, have fun Luc :)[21:57:32] *** tqh has quit IRC[21:57:48] <Begasus> DaaT's going DeadYak ;)[21:57:56] <DeadYak> Begasus: I know :) but so am I[21:58:01] <Begasus> ah ;)[21:58:10] <Begasus> same there then ;)[21:58:15] <DeadYak> :)[21:58:35] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[22:03:07] <Begasus> Help is welcome, thanks for noting that application.??!![22:03:13] <Begasus> that's my port ! :S[22:05:16] <CIA-5> axeld * r27977 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ (WorkspacesView.cpp WorkspacesView.h):[22:05:16] <CIA-5> * If you click on a window in the Workspaces view, it won't move until you[22:05:16] <CIA-5> move the mouse a bit more. This should help with "fast" workspace switches[22:05:16] <CIA-5> when you click on a workspace and accidently move the mouse a bit.[22:07:11] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[22:11:36] *** adb_ has quit IRC[22:15:01] *** adb has joined #haiku[22:15:46] <CIA-5> axeld * r27978 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/bfs/kernel_interface.cpp:[22:15:46] <CIA-5> * Use a block size of 512 - since there is no standard, we're just following[22:15:46] <CIA-5> the masses (whatever stupidity created this misery).[22:16:10] * helf yawns[22:16:16] <helf> damn, today is draaaaaaging by[22:22:58] * JonathanThompson sticks helf with a fork[22:23:05] <JonathanThompson> Or perhaps a fork()[22:23:52] <Stefan100> spoon();[22:24:22] <ddew|bofh> there is no spoon[22:25:11] <ddew|bofh> fuck i'm getting aggravated. flashnul is repetedly raping my mind[22:25:22] <JonathanThompson> Is it a dry one?[22:25:29] <DeadYak> flashnul?[22:25:47] <ddew|bofh> it's an app for writing disk images to drives[22:25:50] <DeadYak> ah[22:26:36] <helf> whywhy not use rawrite?[22:28:05] <helf> ... or that sonly for floppies[22:28:05] <helf> heh[22:28:23] <ddew|bofh> only floppies iirc[22:28:59] <ddew|bofh> aw man, i need a smoke before i kill someone[22:29:55] <Rakhun> or use dd :)[22:30:56] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[22:32:19] <ddew|bofh> Rakhun: that would involve infecting my machine with something unixy[22:32:21] <ddew|bofh> :)[22:33:16] <JonathanThompson> Oh, the insanity![22:33:22] <ddew|bofh> indeed[22:33:26] <Rakhun> iirc rawrite is for a bad infection already, so Unix would be an improvement[22:35:31] <helf> hehe[22:35:33] <helf> touche :P[22:36:55] <ddew|bofh> i don't know about you guys but my time is valuable to me and getting a *nix system running to the point where it does what i need it to do is just not worth it[22:37:10] <DeadYak> what do you currently have on there?[22:37:25] <Rakhun> I think I've seen some dd for windows available too though[22:37:47] <ddew|bofh> this machine? vista x64[22:37:50] <DeadYak> ahh[22:38:18] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[22:38:40] <helf> which Just Works (tm)[22:38:41] <helf> :P[22:39:02] <DeadYak> interesting, that tmap change seems to make a measurable diff for jam here[22:39:15] <ddew|bofh> well i've been using it for almost 3 years and so far i've run into one thing it doesn't do :)[22:39:29] <helf> work?[22:39:30] <helf> :D[22:39:44] <DeadYak> heh, most of the people who bitch about Vista never used it[22:39:50] <helf> yeah[22:40:00] <helf> I've have to use it some. its not too bad[22:40:05] <helf> i wouldnt want to use it everyday, thougg[22:40:06] <helf> *though[22:40:10] <DeadYak> pre-SP1 ok, maybe they had a point[22:40:22] <helf> the GUI is an eye-sore and it runs like crap with the classic theme[22:40:27] <ddew|bofh> the rtm version sucked comparatively[22:40:43] <ddew|bofh> why anyone would want to run the classic theme is beyond me[22:40:51] <helf> because the standard theme sucks ass?[22:40:53] <ddew|bofh> i actually like compositing[22:40:58] <helf> I do too[22:41:12] <helf> If the environment doesn't hurt your eyes while doing it[22:41:18] <Begasus> can't help myself ...[22:41:22] <helf> granted, there is probably a decent theme somewhere[22:41:22] <ddew|bofh> to me compositing is worth more than the ui[22:41:29] <helf> bleh[22:41:44] <helf> i dont want my eyes to bleed while having a smooth interface[22:41:45] <ddew|bofh> i tend to focus on contents of windows, not their frames :)[22:41:58] * DeadYak puts on asbestos suit[22:42:01] <Begasus> same here DeadYak ... it only booted about 10 times I think before linux was setup ;)[22:42:13] <Begasus> asbestOS? ^^[22:42:22] <helf> ddew|bofh, heh. i cant help it, apparently[22:42:27] <warpdesign> ciao[22:42:31] <helf> if the GUI is ugly, imo, i wont touch it[22:42:31] <warpdesign> i need some sleep :)[22:42:32] <Begasus> cu warpdesign[22:42:35] <ddew|bofh> heh, people take their choice of OS way too seriously imo[22:42:36] <warpdesign> long live to haiku :p[22:42:39] <ddew|bofh> nn warp[22:42:42] <warpdesign> life*[22:42:49] <warpdesign> thanks[22:43:00] <helf> ddew|bofh, hehe. usually.. :P[22:43:06] *** warpdesign has quit IRC[22:43:25] <helf> but, i don't even like OSXs GUI colors...[22:43:55] <Yaroze> helf: which one of them? ;)[22:44:02] <JonathanThompson> Yes![22:44:31] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[22:44:32] <ddew|bofh> anyone who thinks that osx is a pinnacle of ui design deserves to be stabbed in the face[22:44:47] <helf> I want information displayed efficiently. I don't want it to try and be purdy and wast espace[22:44:49] <helf> *waste[22:45:15] <ddew|bofh> screw that, my gripe is the lack of consistency[22:45:37] <helf> That'll be a gripe forever[22:45:38] <JonathanThompson> One of my biggest pet peeves with OSX gui standards is the problem of all the modal dialogs, especially since they are automatically placed in the same place every time, and you can't move them.[22:46:05] <helf> My NeXTs GUi is pretty consistent ;)[22:46:09] <helf> *GUI[22:46:14] <JonathanThompson> What if I actually *want* to be able to look at what's directly underneath them to get information to enter into them?[22:46:56] <helf> bbl[22:49:10] <ddew|bofh> heh, the haikuware thread on the obos ml is taking a nasty turn[22:54:44] <CIA-5> bonefish * r27979 /haiku/trunk/ (14 files in 10 dirs):[22:54:44] <CIA-5> * Replaced the vm_get_physical_page() "flags"[22:54:44] <CIA-5> PHYSICAL_PAGE_{NO,CAN}_WAIT into an actual flag[22:54:44] <CIA-5> PHYSICAL_PAGE_DONT_WAIT.[22:54:45] <CIA-5> * Pass the flags through to the chunk mapper callback.[22:54:58] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[23:03:04] *** Hugen_ has quit IRC[23:03:43] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[23:08:31] <Begasus> 'lo aldeck[23:08:56] *** acidx has quit IRC[23:09:14] <umccullough> Begasus, stirring up the mailing list? ;)[23:09:33] <Begasus> mann .. it's been sitting on my nerves for months umccullough ;)[23:09:42] <umccullough> heh[23:10:38] <Begasus> atleast have the deasency(?) to provide correct links etc ...[23:10:51] <umccullough> decency[23:10:57] <Begasus> thnx[23:11:08] <Begasus> I'm even lost with words atm ^^[23:11:14] <umccullough> ;)[23:11:22] <umccullough> yeah, i really didn't want to throw any fuel on that fire[23:11:27] <umccullough> what Karl's doing is ... useful :)[23:11:45] <Begasus> that's not something I'm arguing about ;)[23:11:48] <umccullough> i know[23:11:52] <Begasus> ;)[23:12:22] <Begasus> bias ... going to pick up a sixpak ... need a drink ;)[23:12:38] <umccullough> beeeeer[23:13:15] <luroh> *drunkards return from the brewery trip*[23:13:25] <luroh> </disclaimer>[23:13:26] <ddew|bofh> criticism is crucial for doing a good job[23:14:04] <ddew|bofh> the concept of haikuware is brilliant, had it been hosted on a better connection as well as less anti-zeta[23:15:06] <ddew|bofh> i don't know how it is now but used to be that zeta applications not linked against libzeta worked better on haiku than their zeta counterparts[23:15:19] <ddew|bofh> as far as networking went anyway[23:15:27] <umccullough> do they also run on R5?[23:15:27] <aldeck> hey Begasus :)[23:15:43] <umccullough> a zeta app that runs on haiku likely runs on R5 bone also[23:15:48] <umccullough> at least, that would be my guess[23:16:18] <ddew|bofh> yeah, i'd wager that too.[23:16:40] <umccullough> and as such, i would have expected the author/developer that posted it on bebits to label it as such[23:16:51] <umccullough> although, i suppose without testing, they might be hesitant to do so[23:17:03] <ddew|bofh> that's possible[23:17:31] <ddew|bofh> and considering the legal gray area that is bone i can understand the hesitation to do so[23:18:25] <umccullough> i see it being mostly similar to when people claim an app requires Windows XP[23:18:36] <luroh> from the icon-o-matic workshop -> http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00241tz9.jpg[23:18:44] <umccullough> but it also happens to run on Windows 2000, it just happens that most people don't consider windows 2000 to have been popular enough to matter[23:19:20] <umccullough> too many idiots draw a line from Windows 98->Windows XP as the only upgrade path that ever existed :P[23:19:47] <ddew|bofh> i'm just hoping this whole mess can be resolved without a Mare situation on our hands[23:19:49] <umccullough> luroh, axel looks like a chipmunk with a mouth full ;)[23:20:44] <luroh> :P[23:20:47] <ddew|bofh> heh[23:21:04] <luroh> barrels and barrels of excellent alt bier -> http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00245yb1.jpg[23:22:01] *** DBAlex has joined #haiku[23:22:06] <ddew|bofh> methinks slaptops has killed off some of the fun of gatherings like begeistert or LANs.[23:22:20] <umccullough> heh[23:22:44] <ddew|bofh> looking at people's hardware and any modifications done to them used to be one of the funnier things to do[23:23:02] <umccullough> most of those lappies look pretty modern[23:23:30] * umccullough would have lugged an old turn-of-the-century brick[23:23:44] <umccullough> actually, i have a P4 laptop even ;)[23:23:51] <ddew|bofh> heh[23:24:10] <umccullough> but it's only 1024x768 and heavy-as-hell[23:24:31] <umccullough> doesn't even fit in most laptop bags[23:24:37] <ddew|bofh> heh, that's bad[23:24:44] <ddew|bofh> and a 30 min battery-time? ;)[23:25:09] <CIA-5> zooey * r27980 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/kits/net/udp_echo.c:[23:25:09] <CIA-5> * improved flexibility when doing broadcasts (the broadcasting[23:25:09] <CIA-5> address can now be specified), in order to be able to do[23:25:09] <CIA-5> global broadcasts as well as network (IP-level) broadcasts[23:25:11] <umccullough> well, i stole a higher capacity battery out of a faster model[23:25:18] <umccullough> so it's not too bad, maybe an hour[23:25:24] <ddew|bofh> hehe[23:25:40] <umccullough> tbh, it's only a celeron 2ghz P4[23:25:53] <ddew|bofh> nowadays a slaptop is crap if it does less than 4 hrs on a charge :P[23:26:12] <DBAlex> ddew|bofh: like anyone really uses that ;)[23:26:13] <umccullough> heh[23:26:18] <DBAlex> most people have a laptop plugged in heh :P[23:26:19] <umccullough> i do ;)[23:26:21] <DBAlex> ok[23:26:36] <DBAlex> haiku on a laptop is useless though? no wifi[23:26:36] <DBAlex> :)[23:26:38] <umccullough> i just picked up a replacement battery for an old PIII 500 laptop i was given[23:26:42] <umccullough> it does about 2.5 hours[23:26:54] <DBAlex> nice[23:26:57] * umccullough has haiku on his laptop[23:27:03] <DBAlex> I heard once you can put the batteries in the freezer[23:27:07] <DBAlex> it recharges em[23:27:12] <umccullough> my p4 laptop has a bcm5700 wired ethernet jack[23:27:24] <ddew|bofh> i have the 120gb disk in my aspire all partitioned and ready for haiku :)[23:27:27] <umccullough> and i have a wrt54g in client mode which gives me wireless access from haiku ;)[23:27:33] <ddew|bofh> can't wait to get it running[23:27:41] <DBAlex> umccullough: http://lirent.net/hardware/revive-a-dead-laptop-battery-in-the-freezer.html[23:27:57] <umccullough> doubt that works well :P[23:28:22] <ddew|bofh> that's like the most stubborn urban legend ever[23:28:27] <DaaT> umccullough, wifi from haiku?[23:28:42] <umccullough> DaaT, yeah, using a wrt54g wireless router with dd-wrt in client mode ;)[23:28:51] <umccullough> only need a 1 foot cat5 cable :D[23:29:00] <DaaT> ahhhhh, so it's not wifi :P[23:29:05] <digitalteufel> No, no, you have to microwave the battery to recharge.[23:29:13] <DeadYak> eep[23:29:16] <umccullough> digitalteufel, i throw mine on the bar-b-cue[23:29:21] <DBAlex> ddew|bofh: really?[23:29:21] <digitalteufel> Hehe.[23:29:22] <DBAlex> Hmm[23:29:24] <DBAlex> lol[23:29:25] * DaaT pets DeadYak[23:29:32] <DBAlex> maybe it works for some people & not for others[23:29:33] * DeadYak pets DaaT[23:29:34] * DBAlex snopes it[23:30:14] <umccullough> DBAlex, rechargeable batteries generally die due to the internal change in chemistry that takes place from charging and discharging over time[23:30:21] <umccullough> a freezer ain't gonna fix it ;)[23:30:50] <DBAlex> ok[23:31:01] <umccullough> you can use a freezer to maybe prevent a battery from going bad while sitting around dormant[23:31:07] <DBAlex> but if a battery isn't fully crapped out, e.g. it still gives 10 mins or something it might work?[23:31:17] <umccullough> but the sub-zero cooling can probably cause more problems anyway[23:31:38] <umccullough> what's worse would be putting a warm battery in the freezer[23:31:56] <umccullough> the rapid temperature change actually decreases the life of the battery[23:31:57] <digitalteufel> Is anything going to be done about the ata situation before alpha?[23:32:40] * umccullough has read plenty of articles on R/C car battery maintenance over the years[23:34:06] <umccullough> re: hard drive in the freezer, that would be different[23:34:08] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[23:34:40] <umccullough> the change in temperature would actually make the metal shrink, which would change the tolerances on the bearings, etc.[23:35:02] <umccullough> or even change the viscosity of the fluid bearing[23:36:40] <umccullough> DBAlex, just for fun - i'll throw the old LiIOn battery from my laptop in the freezer today - it doesn't even produce enough voltage to keep my laptop powered when yanking the plug[23:36:45] <umccullough> i'll let you know what happens ;)[23:37:04] <Paradoxon> hi[23:37:06] <ddew|bofh> hehe, good luck[23:37:16] <DBAlex> ok[23:37:25] <DBAlex> lol umccullough cool :)[23:37:27] <DBAlex> we'll see[23:37:34] <Paradoxon> has onyone experience with building haiku on Mac OS X 10.5?[23:37:46] <DBAlex> I couldn't find anything about laptop batteries on snopes.com (the biggest myths website)[23:37:53] <DBAlex> *urban legends[23:38:11] <Begasus> re[23:38:22] <Begasus> back with a fresh sixpak ... :D[23:38:45] <umccullough> Paradoxon, not many have bothered - you running into a specific problem?[23:39:38] <ddew|bofh> setting up a build env on os x is gnarly. easiest would be to install debian or something in a vm and build from there[23:40:08] <umccullough> i gathered it wasn't too bad...just needed a case-sensitive filesystem to build on :)[23:40:37] <umccullough> OS X ppc would be pretty nasty, OTH[23:40:40] <ddew|bofh> well contaminating os x with all the gnu tools needed sucks pretty bad too[23:40:45] <umccullough> heh[23:41:00] <Paradoxon> jear[23:41:12] <Paradoxon> i have a intel macbook[23:41:18] <Paradoxon> and configure[23:41:27] <Paradoxon> run into some errors[23:41:31] <Rakhun> Xcode for OSX already contains all the main GNU tools anyway, no "contamination"[23:41:34] <ddew|bofh> install debian in a virtual machine, it'll save you a lot of headache[23:41:53] <Paradoxon> oh..[23:41:53] <ddew|bofh> Rakhun: oh, so you've done it then?[23:42:17] <Rakhun> yeah, my school laptop is a hackintosh :) (although not compiled Haiku, just other stuff)[23:42:32] <ddew|bofh> ah, so you haven't compiled haiku on os x?[23:42:45] <pyCube> hi[23:43:01] <Rakhun> nope, haven't compiled it at all[23:43:03] <Paradoxon> na[23:43:13] <pyCube> viva gnu![23:43:14] <ddew|bofh> i have, and it was messy :)[23:43:18] <Paradoxon> i tired to follow[23:43:19] <Paradoxon> http://www.haikuware.com/20080518215/latest/compiling-haiku-to-a-partition-on-mac-osx-leopard[23:43:40] <Paradoxon> every thing except the partition stuff[23:43:50] <umccullough> the tools needed include automake, autoconf, texinfo, gawk, flex, perl, bison, and maybe others i'm forgetting[23:43:57] <Paradoxon> i just want to compile a normal[23:43:58] <Rakhun> ddew|bofh: yeah I kinda suspected that it is, and the binaries seem to work well anyway[23:43:59] <Paradoxon> i know[23:44:06] <Paradoxon> have everythin[23:44:06] <umccullough> Paradoxon, what are the errors?[23:44:13] <Paradoxon> on the way :)[23:44:55] <umccullough> Paradoxon, hopefully you didn't ignore the case-sensitive partition step :P[23:45:03] <ddew|bofh> building in a vm has another advantage too, last time i checked you could only build ggc4 images on os x :)[23:45:26] <Paradoxon> thats what i want to[23:45:26] <umccullough> ddew|bofh, yeah, although i think someone recently offered a patch for gcc2 that allowed it to work as a host compiler on os x also[23:45:45] <Paradoxon> i dont like such "backwars compatibilyt stuff" feels like windows 95[23:45:46] <Paradoxon> or so[23:46:06] <umccullough> nah[23:46:07] <quittt> OS/2[23:46:11] <CIA-5> mmu_man * r27981 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/lib/arch/m68k/Jamfile: 10000l for Ingo for having me spend hours spotting this funny typo![23:46:12] <quittt> I never used OS/2 Warp[23:46:16] <Begasus> ps umccullough ... I still think win2k was the best they made ... ;)[23:46:16] <ddew|bofh> Paradoxon: problem is that there's not much gcc4 software available[23:46:21] <umccullough> you'll be wishing for that backward compatibility once you get haiku installed and have no software to run ;)[23:46:28] <umccullough> Begasus, yeah, i liked it to[23:46:34] <umccullough> too[23:46:45] <pyCube> whats this about gcc and osx?[23:46:49] <Paradoxon> http://pastie.org/290241[23:46:50] <Begasus> still running it on the PC here[23:46:56] <Paradoxon> thats the error[23:47:07] <Paradoxon> didnt looked into the source jet[23:47:37] <Paradoxon> i am not good enought therefore :( ;-)[23:48:16] <umccullough> Paradoxon, what command did you use to run that?[23:49:02] <umccullough> the failures on string.h are... fishy[23:49:15] <Paradoxon> ./configure --build-cross-tools-gcc4 x86 ../buildtools/[23:49:18] <umccullough> you certain you are running that on a case-sensitive filesystem?[23:49:32] <Paradoxon> not really[23:49:36] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[23:49:37] <Paradoxon> i tried to check[23:49:42] <DeadYak> case-sensitive on OSX = UFS no?[23:49:52] <umccullough> can you touch test.txt and touch Text.txt and get two separate files?[23:49:56] <pyCube> touch Test; touch test[23:49:58] <umccullough> er, Test.txt[23:50:02] <umccullough> right[23:50:06] <ddew|bofh> you have to set a flag during partition creation to get case-sensitivity[23:50:35] <Paradoxon> just a plain installed Mac oS[23:50:48] <Paradoxon> habe the mac since one week ;-)[23:51:00] <umccullough> Paradoxon, they don't come case-sensitive by default[23:51:11] <umccullough> you won't be able to compile haiku on a filesystem that isn't case-sensitive[23:51:24] <Begasus> did that fix the nasty bug mmu_laptop ? ;)[23:51:25] <pyCube> if you specifically choose a non-case-sensitive fs, you should probably just punch youself in the face for the rest of us[23:51:30] <Paradoxon> ok[23:51:33] <mmu_laptop> yes btu there is another one[23:51:34] <ddew|bofh> i'm pondering giving the "install on real partition from vmware" thing a go if i can find my mbp :)[23:51:41] <Begasus> ;)[23:52:15] <pyCube> thats not to promote violence, rather the illustrate how dumb of a choice it would be[23:52:18] <pyCube> :-p[23:52:28] <pyCube> to illustrate[23:53:39] * umccullough installs windows on a non-case-sensitive filesystem all the time[23:53:50] <umccullough> :)[23:53:53] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[23:53:54] <CIA-5> korli * r27982 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/audio/echo/ (echo.cpp echo.h multi.cpp): we load settings on open(), changes are taken into account on media_server restarts[23:54:12] <umccullough> granted, i don't really have a lot of choice[23:54:33] <Paradoxon> :)[23:54:48] <Rakhun> actually they are case sensitive, but windows pretends it's not :)[23:56:25] <pyCube> its amazing how a little thing like the diff between something.EXT and Something.ext can cause giant headaches[23:57:22] <pyCube> ..and how it wouldnt happen as often if people didnt use things like windows and its awesome non case sensitiveness[23:58:48] *** slaad has joined #haiku