October 10, 2008 
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October 10, 2008 [00:00:16] *** Chowder has quit IRC[00:00:22] <helf> bbl[00:09:33] <AlienSoldier> once axel is done with the kernel, i guess it will be scary to see loose end progress[00:12:16] <judgen> how much of axels code is used in newos now?[00:12:41] <mmu_man> count on me to add bugs :)[00:15:15] <AlienSoldier> for when the 68K port hit R1 is the real question :P[00:16:39] <judgen> lol[00:16:57] <judgen> AlienSoldier i cant wait for haiku to be ported to my amiga =P[00:17:26] <ddew|bofh> hehe, this is just disturbing. collegehumor mispelling sophomore. one would think they should know that one[00:18:21] <judgen> btw did you know that R5 supports font antialiasing?[00:19:23] <mmu_man> sure it did[00:19:38] <mmu_man> when windows barely knew what truetype was, let alone AA[00:20:02] <judgen> the fonts included though when used as system fonts are not antialiased[00:20:06] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[00:20:13] <judgen> bitstream vera works though[00:20:18] <judgen> so does dejavu[00:20:23] <judgen> and lucida grande[00:20:59] <mmu_man> the default font in R5 was AAed[00:21:09] *** thebolt|away has quit IRC[00:21:15] <mmu_man> it doesn't depend onthe font anyway[00:21:27] <judgen> mmu_man ok[00:22:32] <judgen> on windows 2000 it depends on the font. None of the included fonts in 2k is antialiased. but it works with bitstream.... and microsoft said it to be impossible to get antialiasing in 2k and used that to market xp.[00:22:44] <AlienSoldier> and does vista do subpixel now?[00:22:54] <judgen> i dont know actually[00:23:03] <judgen> i dont use vista or xp[00:23:16] <ddew|bofh> subpixel has been supported since xp[00:23:33] <judgen> http://www.transworldnews.com/GalleryView.aspx?id=10576&h=0&w=0&app=5 lol palin got owned by newsweek[00:23:37] <HeTo> erm, there was antialiasing in Windows I think since 98[00:23:43] <HeTo> or maybe 95 Plus![00:24:14] <ddew|bofh> all i know is that cleartype supports subpixel[00:24:32] <ddew|bofh> back when i ran 95 and 98 my resolution was so crap it didn't matter much[00:24:41] <mmu_man> on windows AA was only on on large size[00:24:48] <mmu_man> > 16pt or something[00:25:04] <judgen> mmu_man exactly[00:25:30] <judgen> and cleartype was only available from windows whistler and forward[00:25:53] <ddew|bofh> according to wikipedia it was include in microsoft reader before xp though[00:34:01] <judgen> ok[00:36:27] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[00:37:23] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[00:46:25] *** shiroginne has joined #haiku[00:47:12] <ddew|bofh> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/action_movies.png[00:47:22] <ddew|bofh> i would _so_ watch that movie[00:47:26] *** shiroginne has quit IRC[00:48:20] *** shiroginne has joined #haiku[00:53:33] *** [Katisu]_laptop has joined #haiku[00:54:29] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[00:56:01] *** nvmd has joined #haiku[00:56:16] *** nvmd has left #haiku[00:57:49] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[00:57:49] *** [Katisu]_laptop is now known as [Katisu][01:03:01] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[01:03:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[01:07:25] *** xcasex[w1rk] has joined #haiku[01:07:52] *** xcasex[work] has quit IRC[01:11:42] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[01:12:31] *** oco has quit IRC[01:20:02] *** witukind_ has quit IRC[01:34:11] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[01:34:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[01:36:55] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[01:37:06] *** senry-user is now known as TheNerd[01:37:32] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[01:37:48] *** ddew|bofh has quit IRC[01:46:17] <CIA-21> bonefish * r27947 /haiku/trunk/src/system/ (32 files in 20 dirs): (log message trimmed)[01:46:17] <CIA-21> * Moved the arch specific stuff in src/system/kernel/lib into arch/...[01:46:17] <CIA-21> subdirectories. Also moved the x86 kernel arch_string.S there.[01:46:17] <CIA-21> * Moved memcpy.c from src/system/libroot/posix/string into the[01:46:17] <CIA-21> arch/generic subdirectory.[01:46:17] <CIA-21> * Dealt with the consequences of moving things around. Affected are also[01:46:21] <CIA-21> the boot loader and runtime loader builds.[01:46:24] <judgen> gnite again[01:47:04] *** judgen has quit IRC[01:49:20] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:13:51] *** shiroginne is now known as shiro_zZZz[02:19:14] *** xcasex[w1rk] has quit IRC[02:19:23] *** xcasex[work] has joined #haiku[02:25:20] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[02:26:33] *** sdeken has joined #haiku[02:34:59] *** ed6pack has joined #haiku[02:39:45] *** ed6pack has left #haiku[02:49:27] *** helf2 has joined #haiku[02:49:32] <helf2> wasssup![02:49:33] *** daste has quit IRC[02:49:46] <helf2> my well blew a friction clamp[02:49:47] <helf2> wooo[03:01:12] *** thebolt has joined #haiku[03:08:10] <AlienSoldier> you are an oil baron?[03:10:09] <helf2> lol[03:10:09] <helf2> i wish[03:10:15] <helf2> water well :P[03:13:55] *** TheNerd has joined #haiku[03:17:06] <AlienSoldier> my well is from early 80's, i guess my pump can die any day now. But it's in the basement so less trouble to change[03:19:36] <helf2> we have our well pump burn up[03:19:56] <helf2> the foot on the end of hte line broke.. the little valve in it broke. so the well ran continously for like a week without anyone noticing[03:19:59] <helf2> burned the motor up[03:22:26] <mmadia> Yes! I broke the washing machine! i am awesome![03:22:28] <AlienSoldier> i should put karzai president of the usa and construct a pipeline to sell water to mexico[03:23:27] <AlienSoldier> don't sit on it with the cover open[03:24:23] <mmadia> har. i washed a small floor rug and it tore some part of the lining. : /[03:25:47] <helf2> nice][03:30:55] *** helf2 has quit IRC[03:41:02] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[03:44:28] *** sdeken has quit IRC[03:54:48] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[04:08:12] *** pyCube has quit IRC[04:45:42] *** das_kraut has joined #haiku[04:51:57] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[04:54:06] *** mmadia has quit IRC[04:58:27] *** sdeken has joined #haiku[04:58:39] *** sdeken has quit IRC[05:04:23] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[05:21:46] *** ormandj has quit IRC[05:23:12] *** adb has quit IRC[05:24:22] *** thotypous has quit IRC[05:26:12] *** das_kraut has quit IRC[05:41:44] *** paul0 has quit IRC[06:12:02] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[06:16:02] *** ormandj has joined #haiku[06:20:22] *** ormandj has quit IRC[06:38:26] *** ormandj has joined #haiku[06:44:50] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[06:48:05] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[06:48:34] <Begasus> moin[06:57:09] *** ormandj has quit IRC[06:57:47] *** ormandj has joined #haiku[07:06:10] *** miqlas has quit IRC[07:27:37] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[07:28:21] *** Begasus is now known as Begas_[07:28:40] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[07:32:15] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[07:46:38] *** Begasus has quit IRC[07:46:53] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[07:56:19] *** cherry` has quit IRC[08:00:56] *** Begas_ has quit IRC[08:03:23] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[08:07:52] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[08:07:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[08:11:21] *** mmadia has quit IRC[08:13:01] *** Begasus has quit IRC[08:13:20] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[08:20:45] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[08:22:40] *** Begasus has quit IRC[08:22:58] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[08:28:43] *** Begasus has quit IRC[08:37:51] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[08:43:59] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[08:59:55] *** cherrylap has joined #haiku[09:12:40] *** ormandj has quit IRC[09:24:02] *** MLacey has joined #haiku[09:24:47] *** shiro_zZZz is now known as shiroginne[09:25:43] *** AndrevS has quit IRC[09:39:02] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[09:53:24] *** KariLap has joined #haiku[09:59:50] *** cherry` has joined #haiku[10:04:24] *** helf_ has joined #haiku[10:04:55] *** helf has quit IRC[10:04:55] *** helf_ is now known as helf[10:09:47] *** cherrylap has quit IRC[10:10:06] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[10:11:24] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[10:11:48] *** ThomasShirley_ has joined #haiku[10:13:56] *** shiroginne has quit IRC[10:17:52] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[10:18:05] <Begasus> re[10:18:35] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[10:19:29] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[10:19:46] *** MLacey has quit IRC[10:20:02] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[10:27:06] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[10:33:12] <CIA-21> dlmcpaul * r27948 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/media/plugins/wav_reader/ (WavReaderPlugin.cpp WavReaderPlugin.h): Handle duration for mp3 in wav container better, add FindKeyFrame function[10:33:47] <CIA-21> dlmcpaul * r27949 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/media/plugins/mp3_reader/ (MP3ReaderPlugin.cpp MP3ReaderPlugin.h): Add FindKeyFrame function[10:42:06] *** cherry` has quit IRC[10:42:10] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[11:00:12] *** rsanches has joined #haiku[11:04:36] *** judgen has joined #haiku[11:14:07] *** ormandj has joined #haiku[11:20:16] *** stoc has joined #haiku[11:34:19] *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC[11:34:50] <judgen> Anyone know how to get Screen to recognize the 1920x1080 mode?[11:34:54] *** _Lucretia_ has joined #haiku[11:35:26] <judgen> 1920x1440 works though.[11:46:16] *** Xenexi has joined #haiku[11:47:48] *** helf_ has joined #haiku[11:48:47] *** helf has quit IRC[11:48:48] *** helf_ is now known as helf[11:53:53] *** judgen has quit IRC[11:57:08] *** ThomasShirley_ is now known as ThomasShirley[12:02:17] *** stoc has quit IRC[12:11:20] *** judgen has joined #haiku[12:11:44] <judgen> Anyone knows how to convert an Xorg modline to a BeOS app_server one?[12:12:45] <judgen> xorg looks like this: Modeline "1920x1080_60.00" 172.80 1920 2040 2248 2576 1080 1081 1084 1118 -HSync +Vsync .... And the BeOS one looks like this: timing 108000 1280 1328 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 0x60000000[12:13:50] <judgen> oh i might have figured it out... need to reboot.[12:14:10] *** judgen has quit IRC[12:15:18] *** judgen has joined #haiku[12:15:28] <judgen> nope that ended me up in 640x480 land[12:19:02] <judgen> oh well another attepmt.[12:19:05] *** judgen has quit IRC[12:21:47] *** judgen has joined #haiku[12:21:55] <judgen> dangit[12:24:21] *** judgen has quit IRC[12:25:31] *** judgen has joined #haiku[12:27:17] *** slaad has joined #haiku[12:27:42] *** helf has quit IRC[12:27:46] *** helf has joined #haiku[12:31:22] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[12:36:27] *** judgen has quit IRC[12:38:12] *** judgen has joined #haiku[12:38:41] <judgen> Wonder if any 16:9 modes owrk at all... no modelines i have tried works so far. Just ends up with 640x480 screen.[12:39:58] * geist wonders if judgen is talking to anyone in particular...[12:44:10] <mmlr> depends on the platform, driver and chipset I guess[12:44:33] <mmlr> some 16:9 modes work for me on my intel_extreme chipset on my laptop[12:46:33] *** adb has joined #haiku[12:52:52] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[12:53:28] <judgen> its an nvidia geforce2[12:53:33] <judgen> oops geforce4mx[12:53:47] <judgen> same chip though[12:54:04] <judgen> and it works fine in other OS... so its not the hardware.[12:56:05] <judgen> mmlr when it states timing 110892 in the app_server_settings ... what does the timing say 110.892hz?[12:56:22] <mmlr> it's probably a pixel clock[12:56:45] <mmlr> kilo hz would fit[12:56:49] <judgen> so how do i calculate the pixel clock then?[12:58:48] <mmlr> usually it's total count of pixels times the refresh rate plus some resync time at the top and bottom[12:59:34] <mmlr> best to take it from some existing modeline, as you never really know how much of a resync time you need[12:59:49] <mmlr> edid would give you that info though[13:00:38] *** adb has quit IRC[13:01:37] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[13:02:16] <judgen> 172.80 1920 2040 2248 2576 1080 1081 1084 1118 this one worked with my other computer in linux.[13:02:24] *** senry-user has quit IRC[13:02:43] <judgen> and this one is the one i generated from x11 modeline generator 182.28 1920 1952 2640 2672 1080 1102 1113 1135[13:03:37] <mmlr> yeah, now if you can find out what field means what you should be fine ;-)[13:03:54] <mmlr> I guess 1920x1080 would be the desired resolution[13:03:59] <judgen> yup[13:04:20] <mmlr> 1952 and 1102 would then probably be the real resolution, including the resync stuff[13:04:46] <judgen> the resolutions in the app_server_settings uses the same type of line. except for the first field[13:04:54] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[13:05:12] <judgen> 182.28 does not make sense compared to the numbers in the settings file.[13:05:15] <mmlr> the first field should be the pixel clock[13:05:41] <judgen> should i just remove the decimal point and hope for the best?[13:06:15] <mmlr> if the real resolution would be 2672x1135 and a refresh rate of 60hz would be used you'd get 181963200[13:06:48] <mmlr> so it'd actually be something like 182MHz[13:07:00] <mmlr> which is possible[13:07:33] <mmlr> so yeah, I'd go with 182280 taking the app_server mode line is in KHz[13:07:57] *** Xenexi has quit IRC[13:08:25] <judgen> ok. hope it works... i will just reboot then[13:08:29] <mmlr> it probably won't kill it if you get it wrong, it'll just not display correctly, or at all[13:08:45] *** judgen has quit IRC[13:10:13] *** helf_ has joined #haiku[13:10:37] *** helf has quit IRC[13:10:43] *** helf_ is now known as helf[13:10:45] *** judgen has joined #haiku[13:10:50] <judgen> nope no go[13:11:16] <mmlr> what value did you use?[13:11:28] <judgen> in the first field?[13:11:29] <mmlr> what os anyway, BeOS or Haiku?[13:11:31] <mmlr> yes[13:11:33] <judgen> BeOS[13:12:02] <judgen> 182280 1920 1952 2640 2672 1080 1102 1113 1135 0x60000000[13:12:08] <judgen> is the full modeline i used this time.[13:12:13] <judgen> same result though.[13:13:00] <mmlr> whatever the 0x60000000 at the end means[13:13:03] <judgen> 640x480[13:13:04] <mmlr> I have 0x0 there[13:13:27] <judgen> oh i dont knwo what it means, but BeOS adds it after each line[13:13:32] <judgen> 60hz?[13:14:07] <judgen> gonna try with 0[13:14:09] <judgen> brb[13:14:13] *** judgen has quit IRC[13:15:05] *** judgen has joined #haiku[13:15:54] <mmlr> it's the sync value probably[13:15:55] *** judgen has quit IRC[13:16:46] *** judgen has joined #haiku[13:16:56] <judgen> nope still 640x480[13:17:08] <judgen> this is getting rediculous[13:18:32] <judgen> Its ignoring the modeline i think. if i use the custom modelines on workspace 2 only it still uses same resulotion as workspace 1[13:18:37] <mmlr> 0x60000000 means B_POSITIVE_VSYNC | B_POSITIVE_HSYNC[13:18:59] <mmlr> it'll use a fallback if the one supplied can't be set I guess[13:19:16] <mmlr> it's entirely possible that the driver doesn't allow the resolution though[13:19:16] <judgen> dang[13:19:29] <judgen> how sad.[13:20:57] <mmlr> what sync flags does the x11 modeline use?[13:21:35] <judgen> +hsync and +vsync i think[13:21:37] <judgen> i can check[13:21:49] <judgen> yup[13:21:50] <mmlr> yeah then the 0x60000000 is fine[13:22:48] <judgen> guess its the driver then =([13:23:05] <mmlr> I would also try with a more "exact" pixelclock value[13:23:20] <judgen> and how do i figure that out then?[13:23:27] *** v has joined #haiku[13:23:29] <mmlr> 2672*1135*60[13:23:33] *** leszek has joined #haiku[13:23:48] <leszek> hi[13:23:49] <mmlr> = 181963200 = 181963KHz[13:24:02] <judgen> hmm that simple[13:24:33] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[13:26:21] <mmlr> and you've set the virtual resolution to 1920x1080 as well I guess?[13:27:52] <judgen> so with this line 1920 2040 2248 2576 1080 1081 1084 1118 its 2576*1118*60=172798080[13:28:27] <mmlr> yup[13:28:38] <judgen> ok another reboot then[13:28:44] *** judgen has quit IRC[13:28:49] <leszek> xorg modelines !?[13:29:32] *** judgen has joined #haiku[13:32:16] *** judgen2 has joined #haiku[13:32:16] *** judgen has quit IRC[13:32:34] <judgen2> well that modeline shut down the app_server i think.. all went dark[13:32:54] <mmlr> you did convert that hz value to khz first, did you?[13:32:59] <judgen2> yup[13:33:11] <mmlr> take a look at the syslog[13:33:39] <mmlr> the nvidia driver should output some debug stuff if mode mismatches happen[13:34:07] <mmlr> the problem is that the nvidia driver seems to have a whitelist of modes that it checks against in certain conditions[13:34:21] <mmlr> there's no 1920x1080 listed there[13:34:54] <mmlr> only 1920x1440 and 1920x1200[13:35:19] <judgen2> ive noticed.[13:35:36] <mmlr> you could try adding your mode or go with 720p[13:36:46] <judgen2> ok[13:37:37] <mmlr> 74520 1280 1368 1424 1656 720 724 730 750 0x60000000 should do for 720p[13:37:56] <judgen2> ok thanks ill try it[13:38:10] <judgen2> is that mode 16:9[13:39:00] <mmlr> 1280/720=1.78[13:39:12] <mmlr> and 16/9=1.78, so yes it is[13:39:18] <judgen2> nice[13:39:43] <judgen2> ok here we go[13:39:46] <judgen2> brb[13:39:48] *** judgen2 has quit IRC[13:40:05] *** adb has joined #haiku[13:40:56] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[13:42:34] *** judgen has joined #haiku[13:42:44] <judgen> nope[13:43:11] <mmlr> what does the syslog say`[13:43:56] <judgen> nothing[13:44:05] *** v has quit IRC[13:44:40] <judgen> last log event was 2 hours ago[13:45:00] <mmlr> then you should enable logging in the nv.settings[13:45:11] <judgen> oh yeah =P[13:45:15] <judgen> sorry[13:45:40] <mmlr> maybe with force_ws you could persuade it to work[13:46:26] <mmlr> it should write out a file to the home folder detailing why it rejects the mode[13:47:09] *** slaad has quit IRC[13:48:35] *** judgen has quit IRC[13:50:56] *** judgen has joined #haiku[13:53:00] *** BGA has joined #haiku[13:53:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[13:53:27] <judgen> cant get it to work... ill just have to run 1024x768 then...[13:53:43] <judgen> 1280x720 worked but wasnt even readable[13:53:54] <judgen> all blurry and stuff.[13:54:53] <andguent> what is the utf status on BString? - reading from the be docs BString just handles ASCII...is that still the state of the art?[13:55:55] *** slaad has joined #haiku[14:02:17] <mmlr> andguent: what methods exactly do you mean only handle ASCII?[14:04:33] *** judgen has quit IRC[14:09:31] <helf> hi[14:11:45] *** judgen has joined #haiku[14:12:05] <judgen> Anyone got BeOS installed?[14:12:13] *** Xenex_ has joined #haiku[14:12:22] *** Xenex_ is now known as Xenexi[14:12:50] <judgen> I need the old keymap for swedish.... since this version ive got does not handle the alt+gr key. treats it as a second alt button.[14:14:22] <mmlr> judgen: http://www.bebits.com/app/698 this one usually works for me[14:14:28] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[14:15:33] <helf> warren buffet just recently overtook Bill Gates as Americas richest man[14:15:38] <helf> I didnt realize that :)[14:16:40] <judgen> mmlr didnt work for me... or do i need to reboot first?[14:16:58] <judgen> helf that was months ago. But both are behind Carlos Slim[14:17:24] <mmlr> you need to use one of the user keymaps[14:17:33] <judgen> i did that[14:17:36] <mmlr> I don't think a reboot is required, but you can try anyway[14:17:47] <helf> I said American :P[14:17:55] <helf> carlos is only worth a few billion more[14:18:01] <helf> it wont take long for warren to beat him, im sure.[14:18:27][14:18:49] <judgen> so i cant make a (at) sign[14:18:57] <judgen> or brackets and such[14:18:59] <mmlr> I'd try a reboot[14:19:02] <judgen> ok[14:19:23] <helf> 1:40 before US Markets open[14:19:25] <judgen> something that annoys me too is that the os resets the command key back to alt after reboot every time.[14:19:28] <helf> this aught to be good :)[14:19:43] *** judgen has quit IRC[14:21:25] *** judgen has joined #haiku[14:21:31] <judgen> nope didnt work[14:21:51] <mmlr> strange, that always worked for me[14:22:09] <judgen> @@@@[14:22:19] <judgen> i can bind keys through spicykeys though[14:22:23] *** slaad has quit IRC[14:22:35] <judgen> to use the win key+ signs to make the signs[14:22:36] <mmlr> well that's something[14:22:50] <judgen> but its annoying as i dont have a win key on my favourite keyboard.[14:27:20] <judgen> Also i can only bind one key to the win key[14:31:28] <judgen> but i think the original keymap is broken or somesuch[14:31:46] <judgen> or maybe the input server[14:32:56] <helf> heh[14:42:50] <helf> http://www.flickr.com/photos/soyburger[14:42:53] <helf> that guy is crazy[14:45:00] <judgen> i can easily do 11 sec boot time with my laptop from pressed the power button till inside BeOS[14:45:32] *** mmadia has quit IRC[14:45:57] <judgen> hehe old macs[14:46:16] *** Xenexi has quit IRC[14:47:22] <judgen> lol who collects imacs to have them all =P[14:47:35] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[14:47:55] <helf> yeah, i know :P[14:47:58] <helf> i love old mahcines[14:48:01] <helf> but thats just insane[14:48:09] <helf> mixing crappy older macs with Ikea furniture[14:48:14] <helf> how posh[14:48:31] <helf> hey matt[14:48:38] <judgen> helf i would like to own one of theese http://www.flickr.com/photos/soyburger/209362228/in/set-72157594228629049/[14:48:54] <judgen> TAC[14:49:13] <judgen> with a 366mhz PPC card and 128mb ram. That would be sweet![14:49:48] <judgen> Apperantly that configuration runs both BeOS and MacOS 7-9[14:50:00] <mmadia> morning[14:50:01] <judgen> and osx with 3d party software[14:51:41] <helf> TAC are pretty sweet, actually[14:52:39] <judgen> helf http://www.blocket.se/vi/16903605.htm?ca=1_9_s[14:52:50] <judgen> there is one for sale in excellent original condition[14:53:05] <judgen> too bad the screen is only 800x600 (must have been massive back then though)[14:53:52] <helf> that wastn massive backthen[14:53:56] <helf> maybe for a laptop screen[14:54:02] <helf> since the TAM is jsut a laptop in a cool case P[14:54:03] <helf> :P[14:55:58] <judgen> true[14:55:59] *** Dane_ has joined #Haiku[14:56:01] <judgen> LCD[14:56:27] <judgen> compare it to the power books of the time...[14:56:58] <Dane_> Can anyone think of a way to do a query on all of BeOS' e-mails and add a file extension to them? (Yes, I have a reason to do it :-)[14:57:46] <DeadYak> for i in `query -a BEOS:TYPE="text/e-mail"` ; mv "$i" "$i.ext" ; done[14:57:48] <DeadYak> something along those lines[14:57:52] <DeadYak> not sure I have that mimetype right[14:58:26] <Dane_> where .ext is the extension I want, right DeadYak ?[14:58:31] <DeadYak> yes[14:58:37] <DeadYak> and there should've been a do in front of mv[14:59:16] <Dane_> for i in `query -a BEOS:TYPE="text/e-mail"` ; do mv "$i" "$i.ext" ; done (like that?)[14:59:29] <DeadYak> yep, assuming I have my mimetype right[14:59:40] <Dane_> hehe, ok I'll try a query first.[14:59:56] <mmlr> it's text/x-email[15:00:07] <DeadYak> what I'm not remembering is if BEOS:TYPE is indexed or not[15:00:12] <DeadYak> mmlr: oops[15:00:40] <Dane_> for i in `query -a BEOS:TYPE="text/x-email"` ; do mv "$i" "$i.ext" ; done (like that?)[15:00:45] <DeadYak> otherwise you could probably go off of MAIL:from="*" or one of the other e-mail specific attributes[15:01:34] <DeadYak> Dane_: does the query portion of that return anything?[15:01:56] <mmlr> the type isn't indexed, but MAIL:from="*" works[15:02:15] <Dane_> the following returns nothing...[15:02:16] <Dane_> query -a BEOS:TYPE="text/x-email"[15:02:29] <DeadYak> ok, guess that one's not indexed[15:02:35] <DeadYak> how about MAIL:from="*" ?[15:02:44] <Dane_> sec[15:03:06] <Dane_> DeadYak Can you put that in context for me?[15:03:14] <DeadYak> query -a MAIL:from="*"[15:03:33] <Dane_> yep![15:03:39] <judgen> MAN! i think im getting allergic to snus....[15:03:39] <Dane_> that did it[15:03:42] <judgen> how horrible[15:03:47] <DeadYak> k, use that instead then[15:03:53] <Dane_> judgen Are you getting a snus infection?[15:04:00] <Dane_> dea[15:04:04] <judgen> Dane_ snus infection?[15:04:07] <Dane_> hehe[15:04:10] <Dane_> sinus infection[15:04:14] <Dane_> never mind, dumb joke[15:04:24] <judgen> No the tobacco stuff... called snus[15:04:45] <Dane_> ooh nasty stuff[15:04:55] <judgen> without it im barely human at all.[15:06:46] *** CIA-21 has quit IRC[15:07:34] <judgen> As you might know im almost inhuman even with snus =)[15:07:42] <Dane_> hehe[15:08:21] <DeadYak> off to work, bbl[15:08:24] <judgen> ok[15:11:06] <Dane_> thanks DeadYak[15:13:58] *** CIA-5 has joined #haiku[15:14:37] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[15:20:31] <Dane_> DeadYak Still around? This returns a > with no other action I can see...[15:20:31] <Dane_> for i in `query -a MAIL:from="*"' ; do mv "$i" "$i.iml" ; done[15:24:45] *** warpdesign has joined #haiku[15:25:04] <helf> hiya Dane_[15:25:47] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[15:27:06] *** Exterios has joined #haiku[15:28:21] <Dane_> hi helf will you be around for a few minutes?[15:28:32] <Dane_> I have a question but need to be away for a bit[15:29:04] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[15:30:43] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[15:32:56] <helf> ok[15:33:18] <helf> 30 mins till we get to see the .DJI tank some more :)[15:33:31] <helf> Dane_, ill be on most of today, probably[15:34:21] <helf> oh wait, i forgot the markets are in a different time zone[15:34:26] <helf> markets open and it's tanked already[15:34:27] <helf> heh[15:35:42] <helf> 8054 already.. jeez :P[15:36:08] <judgen> Sound policy says that bad assets must be liquidated, how painfull it even might be.[15:36:38] <helf> oo[15:36:44] <helf> passed 8000[15:36:46] <judgen> Its not actual money anyways... actual as in invested money. Most of the money or actually the stock value is created through speculation.[15:36:47] <helf> down to 7907[15:36:53] <helf> yeah[15:37:19] *** KariLap has quit IRC[15:38:17] <judgen> helf its back up over 8k again[15:38:19] <helf> back up over 8000[15:38:20] <judgen> dow atleast[15:38:20] <helf> yeah[15:38:31] <helf> its ok, itll plummet around the last hour of the day[15:38:56] <judgen> but from 14k to 7.907 is a bad drop i agree.[15:39:05] <helf> almost 50%[15:39:27] <helf> It was stupidly inflated when it hit 14k, though[15:39:33] <judgen> yes[15:40:27] <judgen> wonder how much those 1,2billion dollars a day that iraq is costing the taxpayers could have helped the economy.[15:40:36] <helf> 1200 point drop in 2 days[15:40:43] <helf> lots[15:40:47] <helf> our country is run by idiots[15:40:52] <judgen> seems so[15:40:57] <helf> they wont spend anytime on our crumbling infrastructure[15:41:01][15:41:21] <helf> we went through this in the 30s, the 80s, the early 90s, and now :P[15:42:30] <judgen> not really. Sweden bailed out all banks and had to put up a borrowing roof for the government as well as it hurt as hell to give some of the major companies in sweden tax free status if they took on our government loans.[15:42:43] <judgen> thats how sweden solved the entire debt to other countries.[15:42:44] <helf> ouch[15:43:03] <helf> I hope we get some smart people in soon.[15:43:12] <DeadYak> not looking likely[15:43:18] <judgen> Whyd od you think IKEA and LKAB as well as SSAB and Vattenfall can compete so immensly.[15:43:27] <helf> neither group running is very intelligent. really. :/[15:44:40] <judgen> I think the Government in the US has to face the music and stop those help packages that only makes the suffering longer.[15:45:00] <judgen> this chrisis could be over in a year if they let it crash to 10% and then regain...[15:45:07] <judgen> the regain would be immensly fast[15:45:12] <helf> we need to stop spending so much on weak ass wars and foreign aid and fix our internal problems[15:45:21] <judgen> exactly[15:46:05] <judgen> Sweden removed mandatory millitary service to decrease costs. wich i think is nice.[15:46:10] <helf> we pump out far too much money to other countries[15:47:23] <judgen> Most people dont want to fight anyways. better with a professional and effective army anyways. Since if the US or RFED would attack we would be screwed in a few months anyways (unless they use nukes, then we shoot our three nukes and are completly oblitterated and exterminated)[15:47:52] <helf> lol[15:47:56] <judgen> So no point in fighting...[15:47:58] <helf> your 3 nukes[15:47:59] <helf> lol[15:48:02] <judgen> yup[15:48:05] <judgen> sweden only have 3[15:48:11] <helf> yeah, that is one reason a draft hasnt been reimplemented[15:48:23] <helf> the people running the military know that a reluctant soldier is a worthless one[15:48:36] <judgen> Russia has 14k and US has 12k.[15:48:45] <judgen> so its impossible to do mutual destruction..[15:48:58] <judgen> maybe in a tiny country like denmark =)[15:49:32] <helf> the USA can probably aim them better than Russia :P[15:49:58] <judgen> helf most of the US missiles arent long distance.. and there is only a few metric miles ro russia from sweden.[15:50:03] <judgen> 5 hours by car or so.[15:50:33] <judgen> either way we would be fudged.[15:50:56] <Dane_> helf do you know anything about bash? Can you see what might be the problem with this line?[15:51:00] <Dane_> for i in `query -a MAIL:from="*"' ; do mv "$i" "$i.iml" ; done[15:51:02] <helf> im just hoping that none of the countries are stupid enough to use nukes again[15:51:23] <Dane_> I'm trying to add a file extension to all my e-mails[15:51:25] <helf> is it giving any error messages or just not doing anything?"[15:51:31] <Dane_> It goes to this:[15:51:32] <Dane_> >[15:51:34] <judgen> helf Israel has been close a few times, but never used them. And India VS Pakistan vas very close too.[15:51:58] <mmlr> Dane_: you're missing the closing ` of the query command[15:52:07] <helf> yep[15:52:11] <judgen> helf have you read about the "Father of all bombs"?[15:52:15] <helf> judgen, nope[15:52:25] <mmlr> it should be ... in `query ... `; do ...[15:53:03][15:53:10] <DeadYak> yeah, he used a ' instead of ` to close it, that would be the problem[15:53:42] <Dane_> mmlr Could you apply that to the line so I can see what you mean?[15:53:51] <helf> judgen, that's nifty[15:54:03] <helf> a larger version of the USA's MOAB bomb :)[15:54:07] <DeadYak> Dane_: from="*" `[15:54:13] <DeadYak> Dane_: not "*"'[15:54:31] <mmlr> for i in `query -a MAIL:from="*"` ; do mv "$i" "$i.iml" ; done[15:55:00] <judgen> helf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_of_all_bombs[15:55:00] <Dane_> seems to be doing something...sec[15:56:12] <judgen> helf theoretically it can be built to any size. So its quite possible to blow "everything" up with a single bomb =([15:56:33] *** daste has joined #haiku[15:56:49] <helf> its not more powerful than a nuke[15:56:55] <helf> about the same power as a small tactical nuke[15:57:00] <helf> according to that wikipedia article[15:57:02] <judgen> yes the one tested, yes[15:57:07] <helf> pretty powerful for no radiation, though :P[15:57:10] <judgen> but it can be built to any size[15:57:15] <helf> cool[15:57:34] *** nvmd has joined #haiku[15:57:39] <thebolt> those "any" size usually has an upper bound still ;)[15:57:41] <judgen> "This would have to be one of the largest deliverable, droppable bombs in military history."[15:57:48] <judgen> thebolt true[15:57:59] <helf> i love all the mentioning of "nanotechnology" without actualyl explaining anything[15:58:06] <helf> NANOTECHNOLOGY MAKES BETTER COFFEE![15:58:09] <Dane_> it seems to be querying within the files for each word.[15:58:22] <judgen> Because its russian millitary, thus we dont know too much about it.[15:58:25] <Dane_> /bin/mv: a\: No such file or directory[15:58:26] <Dane_> /bin/mv: few\: No such file or directory[15:58:26] <Dane_> /bin/mv: inches\: No such file or directory[15:58:27] <Dane_> /bin/mv: closer\: No such file or directory[15:58:28] <Dane_> /bin/mv: to\: No such file or directory[15:58:38] <helf> heh[15:59:25] <judgen> dane try ising the "[15:59:34] <DeadYak> he did[16:00:11] *** boh666 has joined #haiku[16:00:19] <judgen> "' '" then?[16:00:22] <Barrett666> what is the state of experimental multiuser in Haiku?[16:00:46] <judgen> Barrett666 its implemented just as in BeOS afaik.[16:00:46] *** Stefan100 has joined #haiku[16:00:59] <Barrett666> ah judgen ok[16:01:00] <judgen> its there but so far the only user is baron[16:01:33] <Dane_> for i in `query -a MAIL:from="*"` ; do mv "$i" "$i.iml" ; done <--- where should I add it?[16:03:05] <judgen> hmm that line works for me...[16:03:10] <helf> DeadYak, do you still have those SGIs?[16:03:59] <Dane_> judgen on my system, it just renamed mail folder to mail.in[16:04:12] <judgen> Dane_ you want to rename all files to give them a file extension?[16:04:19] <Dane_> judgen yes[16:04:20] <Dane_> correct[16:04:29] <Dane_> all the e-mail files[16:04:50] <judgen> Dane_ Cant you just use pecorename?[16:05:00] <judgen> thats graphical app for just that purpose.[16:05:04] <Dane_> judgen unfortunately that program won't rename across folders[16:05:09] <judgen> oh ok[16:05:45] <judgen> ls[16:05:47] <judgen> oops[16:05:54] <DeadYak> helf: no, gave 'em to a friend[16:05:57] <helf> k[16:06:25] <mmadia> Dane once you have a Tracker query window, you might be able to open pecorename and then drag all of the query results into pecorename.[16:07:38] <mmlr> Dane_; you can also use this to build yourself a script that does it[16:07:44] <mmlr> query -ae MAIL:from="*" | gawk '{ printf "mv \"" $0 "\" \"" $0 ".iml\"\n" }' > myrenamscript.sh[16:08:07] <Dane_> wow[16:08:11] <mmlr> then you can run that directly instead of a loop[16:08:16] <Dane_> ok I'll try that[16:08:29] <mmlr> because the for will split on word boundaries and kill the query output[16:09:35] <Dane_> mmlr Would it also work to use cp rather than mv[16:09:43] <DeadYak> no[16:09:44] *** nvmd has left #haiku[16:09:50] <DeadYak> because cp won't copy the attributes[16:09:58] <Dane_> copyattr ?[16:09:59] <DeadYak> at least not on R5[16:10:01] <DeadYak> copyattr -d[16:10:02] <mmlr> yeah, but copyattr -d would work[16:10:20] <mmlr> just replace mv with whatever program you want to use[16:10:37] <Dane_> like this?[16:10:37] <Dane_> query -ae MAIL:from="*" | gawk '{ printf "copyattr -d \"" $0 "\" \"" $0 ".iml\"\n" }' > myrenamscript.sh[16:10:42] <mmlr> yes[16:10:45] <Dane_> cool[16:10:46] <Dane_> trying it[16:12:33] <judgen> helf what do you think about this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba[16:13:36] <mmlr> Dane_: if you want to export them into a single folder you could also do some more tricks on the output name[16:13:57] <judgen> helf more than 3 times stronger than the biggest the US got.[16:14:04] <judgen> scary stuff.[16:14:13] <helf> nice[16:14:21] <Dane_> mmlr I'd like that[16:14:25] <Dane_> that'd actually help a lot[16:14:30] <helf> damn, today we have to do inventory[16:14:41] <mmlr> like using "/path/to/output/`basename \"" $0 "\"`"[16:14:43] <Dane_> helf I'd rather have my teeth drilled. :-)[16:14:52] <mmlr> not sure if that really works, let me try[16:15:07] <Dane_> mmlr if it works could you insert that into the line for me?[16:16:26] <helf> Dane_, :([16:16:37] <helf> judgen, damn, 1.4% of the power output of the sun[16:16:59] <thebolt> helf: yea, but for how long time? ;)[16:18:29] <thebolt> 39 nS it seems[16:19:01] <helf> quite awhile :P[16:19:13] <Dane_> mmlr Does it work for you?[16:19:33] <mmlr> yup[16:19:37] <helf> I love how the US's largest yielded 15mt even though it was only designed to do 5mt[16:19:50] <mmlr> query -ae MAIL:from="*" | gawk '{ printf "copyattr -d \"" $0 "\" \"/boot/export/`basename \"" $0 "\"`\"\n" }' > myexportscript.sh[16:20:05] <mmlr> where /boot/export is where you'd like to get them exported to[16:20:18] <Dane_> very cool :-)[16:20:19] <Dane_> trying it[16:20:27] *** tqh has joined #haiku[16:21:02] <mmlr> oh forgot about the extension[16:21:08] <mmlr> query -ae MAIL:from="*" | gawk '{ printf "copyattr -d \"" $0 "\" \"/boot/export/`basename \"" $0 "\"`.iml\"\n" }' > myexportscript.sh[16:21:31] <Dane_> k[16:21:42] <mmlr> you have to create the export folder first[16:22:55] <Dane_> right[16:24:54] <mmadia> tqh a new cvs tree is on my r5bone box , for tomorrow.[16:25:38] <tqh> mmadia, goodie[16:26:21] <Dane_> mmlr So as far as you can see, everything is right about this, assuming I have a folder called /home/renamedmails ?[16:26:26] <Dane_> query -ae MAIL:from="*" | gawk '{ printf "copyattr -d \"" $0 "\" \"/boot/home/renamedmails/`basename \"" $0 "\"`.iml\"\n" }' > myexportscript.sh[16:27:09] <mmlr> yes that looks fine[16:27:20] <mmlr> it'll generate a script file that then actually does the copying[16:27:39] <mmlr> so you'll have to run myexportscript.sh after you ran that line[16:27:41] <tqh> mmadia, forwarded some configure changes that I've done for Haiku[16:28:06] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[16:28:16] <mmadia> nice ![16:28:42] <Dane_> /bin/basename: too many arguments[16:28:42] <Dane_> Try `/bin/basename --help' for more information.[16:28:43] <Dane_> copyattr: /boot/home/renamedmails/.iml is not a directory (required when copying multiple files)[16:28:58] *** aldeck has left #haiku[16:29:21] <mmadia> i'm ironing out the process of building newer versions of glib, libidl in haiku.[16:30:07] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[16:30:41] <mmlr> Dane_: what version of gawk and basename are you using?[16:30:53] <mmlr> gawk --version and basename --version should tell[16:31:08] *** aldeck has quit IRC[16:31:21] <Dane_> k[16:31:41] <Dane_> $ gawk --version[16:31:42] <Dane_> Gnu Awk (gawk) 3.0, patchlevel 0[16:31:42] <Dane_> $ basename --version[16:31:43] <Dane_> basename (GNU sh-utils) 2.0[16:31:50] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[16:32:15] <tqh> mmadia, did you see Begasus description of building those?[16:32:43] <tqh> http://www.zeta-games.com/temp/Haiku_libs.html[16:32:52] <mmlr> I see, that's an old basename you have there[16:32:56] <Dane_> mmlr Here's an example of a line from the export script...[16:32:57] <Dane_> boot/home/mail/out/driver, build et al 20070503065432 Dane Scott"`.iml"[16:33:07] <Dane_> wait[16:33:23] <Dane_> correction...[16:33:25] <Dane_> copyattr -d "/boot/home/mail/out/driver, build et al 20070503065432 Dane Scott" "/boot/home/renamedmails/`basename "/boot/home/mail/out/driver, build et al 20070503065432 Dane Scott"`.iml"[16:33:28] <Dane_> that's one line from it[16:33:43] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[16:34:08] <mmlr> yeah that'd be fine, probably your basename's just to old to handle that[16:34:22] <mmlr> I've got basename (GNU coreutils) 4.5.3 here[16:34:41] <Dane_> mmlr will that one work under BeOS 5 ?[16:35:04] <mmlr> yes, I'm on bone here[16:35:54] *** aldeck has left #haiku[16:36:00] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[16:36:20] <mmadia> tqh yeah, libiconv was having trouble building as a shared library.[16:37:35] <mmadia> i'm writing more of a step-by-step. begasus's notes + haiku ports have been invaluable.[16:37:39] <DeadYak> mmlr: that copy line shouldn't still have a backtick in it, should it?[16:37:50] <DeadYak> oh wait[16:37:50] *** boh666 has quit IRC[16:37:53] <DeadYak> it has the whole basename still[16:37:54] <DeadYak> never mind[16:38:08] <DeadYak> too early in the morning[16:41:36] *** mmadia has quit IRC[16:43:22] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[17:04:02] <digitalteufel> Does haiku-ports store any source code or just patches to existing repos?[17:04:22] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[17:05:28] *** aldeck has quit IRC[17:06:15] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[17:06:55] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[17:08:28] <DeadYak> digitalteufel: just the diffs[17:10:11] *** cherrylap has joined #haiku[17:17:15] <helf> http://www.geekologie.com/2008/05/02/zombie-car-1.jpg[17:17:16] <helf> want[17:20:07] <DeadYak> reminds me of the deathcoaster in army of darkness[17:23:03] *** leszek has quit IRC[17:24:37] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[17:26:54] *** AndrevS has joined #haiku[17:30:43][17:33:04] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[17:33:33] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[17:43:00] *** Monni has joined #Haiku[17:44:46] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[17:45:06] *** wildur has quit IRC[17:45:36] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[17:49:05] *** mmadia has quit IRC[17:57:05] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[17:57:05] <judgen> helf wonder how much progress that could have been made in afghanistan if all the money poured into the iraq war was directed there instead.[17:57:22] <judgen> and now both campaigns are failing.[17:57:31] <judgen> unless you believe fox ofcourse =)[18:01:29] <judgen> Atleast there is the "coalition of the willing" LOL[18:01:31] <judgen> hehe[18:01:35] <judgen> how many are left[18:01:44] <judgen> the Aussies and the americans?[18:01:52] <judgen> even denmark pulled out of that...[18:02:29] <judgen> oh yeah puerto rico offered to help, but ofcourse with no troops or meteriel or any other helpful thing...[18:02:32] <judgen> lol[18:03:58] <judgen> meybe the US government could use them to migrate to iraq and turn religious voilence to Barrio-gang violence instead. And teach those iraquis how to do it properly to get their virgins RIGHT NOW and not in the afterlife.[18:04:05] <judgen> oh god im offensive[18:04:41] <helf> lol[18:04:53] <helf> we should just leave the middle east to its own vices[18:05:01] <judgen> yes[18:05:12] <judgen> but you should finish what you have started in afghanistan[18:05:15] <helf> assassinate a few key people when they get too bullish[18:05:35] <judgen> how hard can it be to kill 20k taliban?[18:05:46] <helf> who knows[18:06:04] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[18:06:06] <helf> its a giant clusterfuck[18:06:25] <judgen> bring one of those russian meganukes into the south of afghanistan and let the northern alliance do the rest....[18:06:31] <helf> :)[18:06:45] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[18:07:00] <judgen> or you can wait untill 2012 untill the us has that 3rd of the power and use that[18:07:05] <helf> people frown upon nuking people[18:07:27] <judgen> helf noone frowns about nuking talibans, we all support you in that[18:07:39] <helf> but we'd nuke a lot of people not involved in it[18:07:40] <judgen> and there is NO people left in the taliban areas[18:07:42] <helf> which is frowned upon[18:07:56] <judgen> thats why you should give the nuke to the northern alliance[18:08:02] <judgen> and not use it yourselfs[18:08:05] <helf> the "war" was run by idiots that didnt have a clue[18:08:09] <helf> the whole country is[18:08:17] <helf> and we keep electing these fools[18:08:29] *** rsanches has quit IRC[18:08:38] <helf> both of our current candidates are idiots.[18:08:39] <judgen> helf just give the nuke to Karzhai and let him use it.[18:08:45] <helf> our whole electrion system is a farce[18:08:48] <helf> heh[18:08:52] <judgen> he is the defaco president[18:09:01] <judgen> of afghanistan[18:09:06] <helf> our majority vote is meaningless[18:09:17] <helf> the electoral vote is what actually decides[18:09:24] <helf> and the public really doesnt have any control over that[18:09:25] <judgen> helf well you ass well as us dont have "real democracy"[18:09:26] <helf> money does[18:09:28] <judgen> deal with it[18:09:38] <helf> i wish they'd just stop with the pretending[18:09:50] <judgen> only swizerland in the whole world has direct democracy[18:09:56] <helf> its small enough[18:10:04] <helf> direct democracies do not scale well[18:10:20] <judgen> helf imgaine walking up that staircase we talked about just to vote... then people really care.[18:10:30] <helf> :)[18:10:36] <helf> i really want to go walk those steps[18:10:46] <judgen> no you dont... i bet.[18:10:50] <helf> I do[18:10:54] <helf> I love stuff liekt hat[18:10:57] <helf> *like that[18:11:10] <judgen> ive been to swizerland and all those alps looks might tall even to fly over with an helicopter[18:11:25] <helf> heh[18:11:32] <DeadYak> they were great fun to ski and hike in though :)[18:11:42] <helf> lucky :P[18:11:47] <helf> i want to travel really badly[18:11:54] <judgen> its not recomended to fly over the highest ones though... as helicopters are less efficient in thin air.[18:12:10] <judgen> helf aver tried sweden?[18:12:19] <helf> ive never been outside the USA[18:12:22] <judgen> helf there are some nice mounitains here too.[18:12:24] <helf> unless you count the gulf of mexico[18:12:27] <helf> :/[18:12:37] <judgen> gulf as in actual mexico?[18:12:56] <judgen> so youve never been outside your own continent..[18:13:02] <helf> never had the money[18:13:04] <helf> or time[18:13:07] <judgen> I would recommend Borneo for sure.[18:13:14] <judgen> ifts amazing[18:13:19] <helf> over the next few years, i want to travel around[18:13:30] <judgen> too bad 75% of it has been destroyed though.[18:13:41] <judgen> the rainforest 10 years ago was magnificent[18:14:33] <judgen> If you ever travel to norrbotten and im not working, ill let you stay at my place.[18:14:42] <helf> the amazon wont be around for much longer at the rate the fucktards are going[18:14:48] <helf> sweet :)[18:14:54] <helf> ive been wanting to visit sweden[18:15:05] *** Dane_ has quit IRC[18:15:08] *** mmlr has quit IRC[18:15:39] <judgen> helf and if you have a lot of illness they will fix it for free even if you are not a citizen[18:15:48] <helf> oooo :)[18:15:59] <helf> im pretty healthy, though.[18:16:04] <helf> except for my horrible teeth[18:16:32] <judgen> Toothcare is free in sweden too for citizens atleast....[18:16:59] <judgen> we only pay 100sek a year (12dollars)[18:17:22] <judgen> unless we need major surgery, because that is totally free[18:17:26] <helf> didnt you all justh ave some survielance bill passed or something[18:17:34] <judgen> yeah it sucks[18:18:59] <judgen> its not as bad as it sounds but basicly, sweden survey all traffic going through sweden (theis is possibly a us request as RFED uses sweden as an uplink) but it does bother me that a private company actually sells that information[18:19:16] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[18:20:15] <judgen> but the demonstrations made sure that no person within the borders, that has a terrorist agenda can be litigated by this.[18:20:44] <judgen> damn we could have deposed the fucktards if they denied us that right.[18:21:42] <judgen> the conservatives are all fuckwads, and thats why sweden economically collapsed in the 89-95. so fuck them. Im voting nationalistic next election.[18:22:49] <judgen> we need to stop a bit of the immigration too, sweden with its tiny 8 million swedes has taken refugee of more iraqis than the US and cana combined....[18:22:51] <helf> here, the democrats and conservatives blame each other for everything while doing shit to fuck things up themselves[18:22:54] <helf> i hate the blame game[18:22:58][18:23:01] <helf> just own up to your mistakes and work to fix them[18:23:56] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[18:23:58] <judgen> Stefan100 im sad to say i need to stop immigration to make due for some real integration. All that money spent to help one person as an immigrant in sweden helps 20 in their homelend[18:24:09] <judgen> except politalc refugees ofcourse[18:24:13] <judgen> political[18:24:16] <Stefan100> Sverigedemokraterna then?[18:24:22] <helf> we need to stop immigration here[18:24:24] <helf> at least for awhile[18:24:26] <helf> bbl. lunch[18:24:32] <judgen> helf agree[18:25:06] <judgen> Stefan100 well that my only option at the moment, unless a better sollution comes along[18:25:26] <judgen> and im actually a liberalist, os i dont agree on most of the other issues[18:25:59] <judgen> Stefan100 So youre a swede?[18:26:09] <Stefan100> yes[18:26:12] <Stefan100> ja[18:26:17] <judgen> awsome[18:26:22] <Stefan100> not reached voting age yet however[18:26:39] <judgen> what party would you vote for in current situation?[18:26:41] <Stefan100> but I love seeing xenophobia masked as nationalism[18:26:46] <Stefan100> *cough*[18:27:44] <judgen> Trying to insult me? does not work... liberalism can not just be discarded,[18:28:00] <judgen> we can have a private discussion in swedish if you want.[18:28:01] <Stefan100> insult you?[18:28:09] <judgen> the cough[18:28:25] <judgen> it implicated me at xenophobia[18:28:40] <Stefan100> that was aimed at the party[18:28:44] <judgen> oh[18:29:34] <judgen> well the only thing i really want is that we really take care of the immigrants we allready have, and that can not be done while we keep taking in immigrants.[18:29:45] <judgen> its will just lead to alienation[18:29:48] <judgen> and that horrible[18:29:57] <judgen> is*[18:30:08] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[18:30:22] * Stefan100 shrugs[18:30:33] <judgen> Stefan100 so how will you solve it?[18:30:38] <Stefan100> can't really say anything on that matter. haven't experiened much of it myself[18:30:54] <tqh> is it even a problem?[18:31:06] <Stefan100> and usually I don't care about politics. I got too much other stuff to waste my life on[18:31:12] <judgen> experienced the integration or experienced ..?[18:31:33] <Stefan100> experiened immigration/immigrants being a problem[18:31:50] <judgen> integration mean that all in this country should have jobs and ways to support their family[18:32:48] <judgen> clustering them together in the major cities wont work[18:33:02] <judgen> and no, im voting blank[18:33:12] <judgen> as noone has a decent plan[18:33:43] *** warpdesign has quit IRC[18:34:13] <judgen> ive always voted VPK in my life but they intend to release the top limit of people to get in and get membership[18:35:01] <judgen> they are still humans and as i said previously the cost of taking one in can help 20 people in their homeland. its just silly[18:35:06][18:35:35] <judgen> lol[18:35:43] <judgen> ref:[18:35:43] <Stefan100> ah, but this wins[18:35:45][18:35:52] <Stefan100> ref: http://www.sverigedemokraterna.net/nyhet.php?action=fullnews&id=606#invandringspolitik[18:35:56] * Stefan100 wins[18:36:05] <judgen> are you talking about SD?[18:36:21] <Stefan100> uhm, I thought that was what we were doing[18:36:39] <Stefan100> did I totally miss something somewhere?[18:36:43] * Stefan100 scrolls up[18:36:47] <judgen> i am a VPK member for life even if the party does not exist anymore[18:37:05] *** wildur has quit IRC[18:37:35] <judgen> but i cant believe you would think that taking in more immigrans with no skills would benefits sweden, or humanity[18:38:24] <Stefan100> spooky language. I said I am not familiar with the issue.[18:38:27] <judgen> All i said was to miinimize or stop immigration untill all have jobs and means to support their children[18:38:50] <Stefan100> <judgen> Stefan100 well that my only option at the moment, unless a better sollution comes along --- that wasn't answer to "Sverigedemokraterna then?"?[18:39:08] *** boh666 has joined #haiku[18:39:51] <judgen> we allready have bad situation in work (except in the north where they calim to need 120k workers to move the city of kiruna)[18:39:53] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[18:41:14] <judgen> cant we just love the allready immigrated people, and give them actual work instead of turning them into wellfare depending people due to increased immigration[18:42:11] <judgen> Stefan100 Sweden is a moderate economy at beast. but the parts that are socialized do caere fo the emplyees.[18:42:59] <judgen> Stefan100 did you know that you can vote INDEPENDENT OF PARTIES AND FOR ONLY ONE PERSON[18:43:00] <judgen> lol[18:43:25] <judgen> I can vote for anyone i want and that vote wont be carried to the party he is in.[18:43:43] <judgen> Stefan100 please read up on swedish politics,[18:44:05] <Stefan100> wow[18:44:34] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[18:44:38] <judgen> Stefan100 do you hate me now?[18:44:38] <Stefan100> I am 16...I do know Sweden pretty well by now[18:44:52] <judgen> I bet you do...[18:45:01][18:45:23] <Stefan100> don't think so. what about it? ;)[18:45:45] *** BGA has quit IRC[18:46:11] <judgen> almost no southerners (and i gues you are one) have never been further up than half of sweden. )wich means sundsvall)[18:46:58] <Stefan100> I live in Stockholm ;)[18:47:14] <Stefan100> counts as southerners or...middle men?[18:48:07] <judgen> if the half is at sundsvall, where would you put yourself?[18:48:43] <tqh> this is really boring discussion[18:48:56] <judgen> tqh i know, swedish politics does that to you[18:49:14] <tqh> no I meant this discussion .[18:49:16] <judgen> ive offered to do it in single mode[18:49:24] <Stefan100> heh. pretty much southerner then ;)[18:49:29][18:49:33] <Stefan100> but yeah, forget about sweden.[18:49:42] <Stefan100> small, stupid, uninteresting country anyway.[18:49:46] <Stefan100> let's talk about...[18:49:53][18:50:11] * Stefan100 typos jugen[18:50:32] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[18:50:40] <judgen> My spelling is bad because the obvious reason, its friday and im drinking.[18:50:52][18:50:54] <judgen> Damn you cant have been here long[18:50:54] <Stefan100> car.[18:51:02] <Stefan100> about a week[18:51:57] <Stefan100> amyway...let's talk about...Haiku! D:<[18:51:58] <judgen> takes only 11 hours to get to pite by car to stockholm[18:52:02] *** ThomasShirley_ has joined #haiku[18:52:59] <judgen> asmost people think we people in the north hate stockholm... we DONT we hate the government and what they do to us.[18:53:33] <judgen> Same argument as washington hatin alabala, its just silly[18:53:39] <judgen> alabama[18:53:44] <Stefan100> come on. drown me in the awesomeness of Haiku :o[18:54:14] <judgen> Ok haiku is almost beeing BeOS Stefan100[18:54:33] <judgen> Stefan100 do you do programming?[18:54:44] <judgen> in any sorts[18:54:51] * Stefan100 points at http://cia.vc/stats/author/sginsberg[18:54:56] <Stefan100> ups[18:54:58] <Stefan100> CIA down[18:55:08] <Stefan100> well. I do. mostly kernel mode[18:55:25] <judgen> maybe you can help alex out with the kernel[18:55:32] <judgen> axel[18:55:56] <judgen> that would be awsome[18:56:08] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[18:56:11] <Stefan100> I only know NT kernel mode[18:56:14] <judgen> what kind of kernel development do you do[18:56:35] <judgen> Stefan100 did you workt at microsoft?[18:56:42] <Stefan100> heh, no[18:56:55] <Stefan100> I didn't know C when I joined #reactos[18:57:03] <judgen> Stefan100 how can you know about NT development then?[18:57:04] <Stefan100> now they let me dick around in their kernel[18:57:20] <Stefan100> judgen, uh.[18:57:24] <judgen> oh shit[18:57:25] * Stefan100 -> http://www.reactos.org/en/index.html[18:57:35] <judgen> i know what reactos is[18:57:48] <judgen> i dont want it[18:57:55] <Stefan100> heh[18:58:00] <judgen> if someone do, ok with me[18:58:02] * tqh goes to play some wii[18:58:04] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[18:58:25] <judgen> what have you written in reactos?[18:58:38] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[18:59:32] <Stefan100> I mostly do bug fixing. stupid typos, broken logic, etc[18:59:45] *** Monni has left #Haiku[19:01:23] <Stefan100> ...also quite a bit of code cleanup and such fun stuff.[19:01:41] <Stefan100> like, super critical parts left in a mess for years. ;0)[19:02:22] <judgen> fun[19:03:40] <judgen> Id like to talk to you some more, but my time has run out. If you want to talk to me some more im at judgen(at)gmail.com[19:04:06] <Stefan100> well, I need to go too before store closes ;)[19:04:26] <Stefan100> wops[19:04:30] * Stefan100 -> store[19:04:34] <judgen> So good afternoon/night/day/morning hope you have a wonderfull day/night[19:05:01] *** judgen is now known as judgawa[19:05:27] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[19:05:33] * judgawa is not away for maybe a week or so.. see you on friday[19:16:52] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[19:23:52] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[19:23:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[19:24:07] * DeadYak plops mmu_man[19:24:09] <DeadYak> at BG?[19:24:40] <mmu_man> plop![19:29:37] <mmu_man> yes[19:30:56] <DeadYak> cool, say hi to everybody :)[19:31:13] <Stefan100> re-plop[19:31:25] <mmu_man> hi to everybody[19:31:39] <mmu_man> :p[19:34:02] <aldeck> Hiii :D[19:34:11] <DeadYak> aldeck: hi :)[19:35:10] *** digitalteufel has quit IRC[19:37:29] <judgawa> btw i love CL-amp[19:38:02] <Stefan100> back already? :p[19:38:09] <judgawa> its got EVERYTING i need so far (allthough high and drunk at the same time might not be a benefit of credibillity)[19:39:18] <judgawa> Stefan100 sadly[19:39:29] *** ddew|bofh has joined #haiku[19:39:39] *** judgawa is now known as judgen[19:39:42] <ddew|bofh> hello ladies[19:41:09] <ddew|bofh> The Who is probably the greatest live performers ever[19:49:43] <helf> psh[19:49:47] <helf> your mom is[19:50:08] <ddew|bofh> the who kicks ass, PERIOD![19:50:11] <ddew|bofh> :)[19:50:36] <helf> so does your mom ^_^[19:50:55] <ddew|bofh> townshend is like the most energetic guitarist ever[19:51:42] <helf> yeha, he is pretty good[19:51:47] <ddew|bofh> and i'm not surprised about you fancying my mom, she being dead 20 years and all that ;)[19:51:57] <helf> necrophilia, baaabaaay[19:52:08] <ddew|bofh> hehe[19:52:13] <helf> sorry, though[19:52:13] <helf> :P[19:52:25] <ddew|bofh> no worries, i'm not offended :)[19:53:05] <ddew|bofh> i'm not a bleeding hippie or anything[19:53:22] <helf> ive put my foot in my mouth like that before and had people freak :P[19:53:34] <helf> like making a retard joke to a person had had a mentally handicapped kid.. and i didnt know it[19:53:35] <helf> :P{[19:53:49] *** boh666 has quit IRC[19:53:57] <ddew|bofh> well if they can't take it they shouldn't be in contact with other people :P[19:54:06] <helf> yeah[19:54:06] <ddew|bofh> damn emo-hippies[19:54:30] <helf> man, i keep seeing where people are talking about how they just withdrew all their money and blah blah[19:54:31] <helf> idiots[19:54:35] <helf> doing that makes stuff worse[19:54:50] <ddew|bofh> the financial crisis? yeah[19:54:55] <helf> yeah[19:55:14] <helf> "oh no! the banks are crashing (not)! lets withdraw all the money that they need to stay alive!"[19:55:28] <ddew|bofh> i'd rather keep my money in savings and risk losing a few % rather seeing the whole economy taking a nose dive[19:55:38] <ddew|bofh> *rather than[19:55:41] <helf> yeah[19:55:55] <ddew|bofh> fuck, basic economics teach you that banks need people keeping their money there[19:56:00] <helf> well[19:56:04] <helf> This IS the American public[19:56:07] <ddew|bofh> don't you have schools where you live?[19:56:11] <ddew|bofh> :P[19:56:19] <helf> ha[19:56:24] <helf> Our public school system is a joke[19:56:36] <ddew|bofh> or is that more focused on giving even the most retardest idiots a passing grade?[19:56:36] <helf> people also don't learn from history[19:56:41] <helf> yes[19:56:45] <helf> exactyl[19:57:00] <helf> partially thanks to our fucking idiot overlords and their "leave no child behind" act[19:57:12] <helf> aka lowest common denominator rules[19:57:19] <helf> schools have fricken QUOTAS[19:57:22] <helf> QUOTAs![19:57:27] <ddew|bofh> that's insane[19:57:28] <helf> it's like our banks having loan quotas[19:57:34] <helf> THAT was part of the problem[19:57:47] <helf> the banks also had to show an ethnicity spread in their loans[19:57:49] <helf> wtf[19:57:55] <helf> you dont put quotas on stuff like that[19:58:00] <ddew|bofh> heh, pc ftw![19:58:09] <ddew|bofh> damn hippies[19:58:24] <helf> people are blaming the banks for most of this. but a lot of it was bad and poor government regulation[19:58:51] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[19:59:00] <helf> oh well[19:59:00] <ddew|bofh> one would think the us would've learnt something from the 30s[19:59:02] <helf> I gotta run :P[19:59:02] <Lelldorin1> hi all[19:59:03] <helf> cya later[19:59:07] <ddew|bofh> see ya[19:59:08] <helf> ddew|bofh, you'd think[19:59:10] <helf> cya[19:59:40] *** AndrevS is now known as Andre_Radio[20:02:01] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[20:06:02] *** shiroginne has joined #haiku[20:10:35] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[20:15:46] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[20:16:58] *** ThomasShirley_ has quit IRC[20:26:27] *** adb has quit IRC[20:33:01] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[20:33:57] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[20:37:25] <CIA-5> axeld * r27950 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/stack/interfaces.cpp:[20:37:25] <CIA-5> * put_device_interface() accessed "device" which was already freed to get[20:37:25] <CIA-5> the module name, possibly causing a crash when you delete an interface.[20:41:10] <CIA-5> stippi * r27951 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/icon-o-matic/ (4 files in 3 dirs):[20:41:10] <CIA-5> Fix a confusion with the big-endian versus little endian saving of the[20:41:10] <CIA-5> magic four bytes to recognize native (BMessage-based) icons. The file[20:41:10] <CIA-5> recognition rule didn't work in the end.[20:42:39] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[20:43:07] <CIA-5> bonefish * r27952 /haiku/trunk/ (19 files in 17 dirs):[20:43:09] <CIA-5> * Implemented x86 assembly version of memset().[20:43:11] <CIA-5> * memset() is now available through the commpage.[20:43:13] <CIA-5> * CPU modules can provide a model-optimized memset().[20:43:56] <CIA-5> bonefish * r27953 /haiku/trunk/headers/private/system/arch/x86/arch_commpage_defs.h:[20:43:56] <CIA-5> Should have been part of the previous commit. x86 commpage definition[20:43:56] <CIA-5> for memset().[20:44:48] *** nvmd1 has joined #haiku[20:45:02] *** nvmd1 has left #haiku[20:50:28] <CIA-5> julun * r27954 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[20:50:28] <CIA-5> * rewrote BTime to operate entirely on microseconds[20:50:28] <CIA-5> * added some convenient functions, operator etc...[20:50:28] <CIA-5> * reused parts of the patch by Stephen Deken, thanks[20:54:11] *** adb has joined #haiku[20:54:18] <CIA-5> stippi * r27955 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/mediaplayer/ (10 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)[20:54:18] <CIA-5> * Cleanup with regards to file panel usage. There are two global file panels[20:54:18] <CIA-5> now maintained by the application. (So that the last used folder is more[20:54:18] <CIA-5> consistently remembered.)[20:54:19] <CIA-5> * Added a message protocol for using the file panels from other loopers.[20:54:21] <CIA-5> * Implemented playlist saving and loading for the binary (BMessage-based)[20:54:25] <CIA-5> format. There were some beginnings for supporting a m3u-like text-based format[20:57:51] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[21:00:46] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[21:06:32] <CIA-5> julun * r27956 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/showimage/ShowImageView.cpp: * cleanup[21:08:09] <CIA-5> julun * r27957 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/showimage/ShowImageView.cpp: * traverse the entry so that symlinks to files can be opened as well[21:13:32] <CIA-5> stippi * r27958 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[21:13:32] <CIA-5> zuMi was at it again and created a cool icon for the mail_daemon. Almost a pity[21:13:32] <CIA-5> to use this gem for a background application. :-)[21:14:36] <DeadYak> apparently the code sprint's starting early[21:15:51] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[21:17:29] <ddew|bofh> i love the time around begistert[21:17:48] <ddew|bofh> the normally insanely high tempo gets jacked up another three notches :)[21:27:08] * JonathanThompson laughs at ddew|bofh in greeting, with wild ideas in his mind[21:27:36] <ddew|bofh> wild ideas are fun :)[21:27:39] <ddew|bofh> hiya btw[21:31:01] *** anarchos has joined #haiku[21:35:19] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[21:41:11] <DeadYak> wb mmlr[21:42:30] <mmlr> hi there[21:42:42] <mmlr> got to pack stuff for begeistert and then go sleeping[21:43:22] <DeadYak> ah[21:46:13] *** Exterios has quit IRC[21:49:52] *** shiroginne has quit IRC[21:50:40] *** Euver has joined #haiku[21:51:31] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[21:53:46] *** mmlr has quit IRC[22:06:21] <CIA-5> bonefish * r27959 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/lib/arch/x86/arch_string.S: Save one byte of code.[22:10:51] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[22:11:59] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[22:12:42] *** daste has quit IRC[22:13:11] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[22:18:29] *** Stefan100 has quit IRC[22:27:28] *** Andre_Radio is now known as A-v-S[22:33:31] *** aguent has joined #haiku[22:35:41] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[22:36:25] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[22:39:56] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[22:40:45] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:40:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[22:50:07] *** andguent has quit IRC[22:52:28] <DeadYak> mmu_man: how goes?[22:52:41] <mmu_man> back from dinner[22:53:27] <DeadYak> ah[22:53:33] <DeadYak> wasn't the trip to the brewery today too?[22:54:40] <mmu_man> no it was moved to tomorrow[22:54:53] <mmu_man> and I heard it got canceled, so we might try a spanish[22:55:37] <DeadYak> oh[23:00:39] *** Euver has quit IRC[23:05:06] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[23:05:39] <Duggan> greetings, all[23:06:28][23:06:45] <mmu_man> interesting, but I'm not sure I grasp everything from the name :)[23:07:16] <Duggan> fishy[23:10:07] *** cherrylap has quit IRC[23:10:22] <DeadYak> mmu_man: haha[23:10:56] <Duggan> can you guys give me any info about debugging a driver?[23:11:09] <mmu_man> need to reboot[23:11:10] <mmu_man> brb[23:11:24] <mmu_man> giuseppe gave me a usb key with a broken BFS ;)[23:11:36] <Duggan> the rtl81xx driver is continually locking up my computer when its loaded[23:11:38] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[23:11:56] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:14:17] <ddew|bofh> Duggan: does it lock up with one core being maxed out and not even F12 responding?[23:14:40] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[23:14:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[23:15:19] <Duggan> I see the bug description now, I'll have to try it[23:15:29] <Duggan> wb mmu[23:15:44] <ddew|bofh> i get hit by a similar thing with the re driver anyhoo on my aspire one[23:16:14] <Duggan> I'll definately check it.... I think thats the last problem keeping me from downloading and building haiku from source[23:16:20] <Duggan> (for now)[23:16:55] <Duggan> definitely, sorry[23:17:16] <ddew|bofh> once the re driver is working i'll be able to use the aspire full time :)[23:17:29] <Duggan> I'm on a wireless network right now so no sense in trying (in class)[23:17:39] <ddew|bofh> the haiku gui works really well on smaller screens[23:17:43] <Duggan> will have to go to the lab to connect to ethernet[23:18:12] <anarchos> ddew|bofh: so audio/wireless/video work on an aspire?[23:18:41] <ddew|bofh> everything except wireless[23:18:51] <anarchos> is video VESA or a real driver?[23:18:58] <ddew|bofh> real driver[23:19:05] <ddew|bofh> the gma950 is well supported[23:19:07] <anarchos> nice[23:19:09] <Duggan> I'm using vesa due to driver issues with intel chipsets[23:19:22] <anarchos> i've been thinking of getting an aspire[23:19:27] <Duggan> I even KDL on boot[23:19:28] <anarchos> this might make me actually do it[23:19:50] <ddew|bofh> the aspire one is one of my all time favourite machines[23:20:00] <ddew|bofh> it's really nice to work with[23:20:15] <ddew|bofh> only downside is that it's a pita to upgrade ram in[23:20:47] <anarchos> oh yeah?[23:21:05] <ddew|bofh> yeah, there's no access panel for it so you have you disassemble the whole thing[23:21:45] <anarchos> o i c[23:21:51] *** mmu_laptop has joined #haiku[23:21:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_laptop[23:22:18] <ddew|bofh> but as long as you're careful it's no biggie. just takes some time[23:22:37] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[23:30:38] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[23:33:09] <Duggan> awesome.... 2350 is fixed...[23:34:02] <Duggan> now if 2680 can get fixed....[23:40:26] <anarchos> why are unlocked blackberry bold's so friggin expensive?[23:40:27] <anarchos> :([23:40:39] <ddew|bofh> supply and demand[23:41:17] <anarchos> i hate to see what the storm's gonna be like[23:41:24] <anarchos> cuz bolds are like $800 unlocked[23:42:54] <NeonLicht> do you guys know whether Haiku will run on the OpenPandora?[23:43:14] <ddew|bofh> the gp32x successor?[23:43:29] <ddew|bofh> open gaming platform or whatnot[23:43:51] <ddew|bofh> in that case i find it hard to imagine, given the alternative cpu and lack of ram[23:44:04] <NeonLicht> no idea what the gp32x is[23:44:27] <ddew|bofh> it's the father of the pandora[23:45:08] <ddew|bofh> iirc[23:46:03] <ddew|bofh> my bad, it was gp2x[23:46:25] <ddew|bofh> i hate technical names, impossible to remember :)[23:46:48] <NeonLicht> OpenPandora is easier XD[23:46:55] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[23:47:02] <ddew|bofh> indeed[23:48:15] <CIA-5> bonefish * r27960 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/lib/arch/x86/arch_string.S:[23:48:15] <CIA-5> memset() returned the wrong value. Fascinatingly there's even software[23:48:15] <CIA-5> (APR) that uses it.[23:48:24] <NeonLicht> I just want to get the lighter device I can run a 80x25 console (SSH) on with Wifi and a reasonable sized qwerty keyboard (not phone or PDA), and I think the OpenPandora could be the right thing for me... if I could run Haiku on it then it would be simply perfect :)[23:48:50] <ddew|bofh> hehe[23:49:05] *** aldeck has quit IRC[23:49:12] <mmu_laptop> http://revolf.free.fr/beos/shots/shot_beos_netsurf_styled_clipboard.png[23:49:30] <ddew|bofh> go with a netbook. they're cheaper, got a bigger screen and a lot more powerful[23:50:20] <NeonLicht> mmu_laptop: 404[23:50:31] <NeonLicht> what do you mean by a netbook, ddew|bofh?[23:50:40] <mmu_laptop> works here[23:50:43] <ddew|bofh> eeepc, aspire one and msi wind[23:50:50] <ddew|bofh> link worked fine here too[23:51:23] <NeonLicht> I've got an EeePC, ddew|bofh, I want something lighter and with a longer battery time, something like OpenPandora in size and battery (10+ horus)[23:51:41] <ddew|bofh> i see[23:51:41] <dr_evil> re mmu_laptop[23:51:51] <mmu_laptop> re[23:52:05] <anarchos> worked for me[23:52:20] <ddew|bofh> i just figured the device was a touch overkill for just a 80x25 ssh console :)[23:53:20] <NeonLicht> I really need a terminal in my pocket, ddew|bofh; as soon as I move a bit from a keyboard I get a telephone call asking me for support XDDDD and a 80x25 console is enough for me most of the time :)[23:53:27] <Duggan> ok, time to restart...[23:53:32] *** Duggan has quit IRC[23:53:52] <NeonLicht> well, I work on 80x25, but a browser to check out some docs on the web would also be convenient, haha[23:54:17] <ddew|bofh> hehe[23:54:31] <ddew|bofh> people have learnt to stop asking me for tech support[23:55:05] <NeonLicht> how have you got them to learn that??? I'm envious XDD[23:55:23] <ddew|bofh> being an arrogant ass about it works wonders :P[23:55:30] <NeonLicht> hahaha[23:56:41] <NeonLicht> well, last weekend I got introduced to a few people; one of them was about to ask me something when I simply said: "I don't give support or answer any questions on Windows unless I get paid for it"[23:56:54] <NeonLicht> I was really ashamed afterwards, haha[23:57:00] <mmu_laptop> NeonLicht links[23:57:10] <NeonLicht> mmu_laptop: elinks :-)[23:57:16] <mmu_laptop> ;p[23:59:32] *** dos4 has joined #haiku