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[00:03:16] <CIA-21> mmu_man * r27930 /haiku/trunk/docs/welcome/welcome.html: Better definition for OsDrawer

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[00:59:23] <CIA-21> mmu_man * r27931 /haiku/trunk/docs/welcome/ (bugreports.html filetypes.html gui.html): Some acronyms.

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[01:24:57] <CIA-21> stippi * r27932 /haiku/trunk/docs/welcome/ (7 files):

[01:24:57] <CIA-21> * Fixed some layout issues here and there.

[01:24:57] <CIA-21> * Fixed wrong link to filetypes workshop.

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[01:30:08] <CIA-21> mmu_man * r27933 /haiku/trunk/docs/welcome/gui.html: Unix is a name, should be capitalized. (it's actually a trademark too)

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[02:46:59] <CIA-21> bonefish * r27934 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/servers/debug/crashing_app.cpp: Added "--signal" option that performs the crash in a signal handler.

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[04:17:25] <mmu_man> bloody screen_blanker

[04:17:55] <mmu_man> had to ssh && kill it && make dpms && ./dpms on to get my screen back

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[05:52:16] <CIA-21> anevilyak * r27935 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/vm/ (vm_daemons.cpp vm_page.cpp):

[05:52:16] <CIA-21> Fixed warnings with tracing enabled and made some very noisy dprintfs trace-only

[05:52:16] <CIA-21> as they were flooding the syslog.

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[07:11:59] <Begasus> moin

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[07:35:56] <Begasus> Expander got a bug I think ...

[07:36:17] <mmadia> with the scroll bar?

[07:36:22] <Begasus> scrollbar doesn't work when you 'show contents'

[07:36:26] <Begasus> yeah ;)

[07:36:39] <mmadia> try opening a decent sized document in StyledEdit.

[07:36:49] <mmadia> scrollbar wasn't working for me there either.

[07:37:00] <Begasus> in Tracker it's ok

[07:37:26] <mmadia> although,   Opening StyledEdit and then creating a multi-lined document allowed the scrollbar to work.

[07:37:29] <Begasus> ah in StyleEdit also ...

[07:37:54] * mmadia has lost his bug   login/password   *cough*

[07:38:02] <Begasus> hehe

[07:38:10] <Begasus> in Pe it's ok

[07:38:57] <mmadia> also in 27878, Tracker crashes when dragging a folder out of trash.     files are ok though.

[07:39:16] <Begasus> using 27900 atm ...

[08:02:35] <Begasus> hmm strange one ...

[08:02:57] <Begasus> rm: FATAL: directory 'conftest.dir' changed dev/ino

[08:03:05] <Begasus> that's a new one ...

[08:04:06] <mmadia> in gettext?

[08:04:40] <Begasus> yep

[08:04:48] <Begasus> when running configure

[08:05:00] <Begasus> hmm need to step out ...

[08:05:02] <Begasus> bbl

[08:05:02] <mmadia> i've seen that while pulling my hair out receently.

[08:05:45] * JonathanThompson hands mmadia Hair Club for Men: a big tube of super-hair-glue

[08:07:46] <mmadia> danke

[08:08:07] <JonathanThompson> We don't want you looking remotely like me, after all! ;)

[08:08:40] <DHowett> "It's a club covered in hair. What on earth do i do with this?"

[08:08:53] <JonathanThompson> Beat someone over the head with it, of course!

[08:09:41] * JonathanThompson instructs his doberman pickle to attack DHowett

[08:09:52] <DHowett> Dill-icious.

[08:09:59] <JonathanThompson> It's a real dilly!

[08:10:10] <DHowett> Stop dilly-dallying?

[08:10:30] <JonathanThompson> You'll never guess how old he is: he's well-preserved, and truly a salty dog!

[08:10:47] <JonathanThompson> (Though he is looking a bit green)

[08:11:01] <DHowett> hehe

[08:11:11] <JonathanThompson> But consider this: if he bites you, he also at the same time rubs salt in your wounds ;)

[08:11:27] * mmadia checks the freezer for hot dogs.   mmmm.

[08:11:34] <JonathanThompson> (Truly a marvel of modern genetic engineering)

[08:12:03] <JonathanThompson> He's horribly terrified by food processors for some reason....

[08:12:36] <JonathanThompson> He doesn't relish what might happen.

[08:13:14] <DHowett> ;)

[08:13:17] <JonathanThompson> He doesn't do much around the house: he mostly vegetates all day in front of the TV!  And after he's bored with that, spends some time in the refrigerator, soaking around...

[08:14:24] <JonathanThompson> Quick, DHowett: kick him in the can!

[08:15:01] <JonathanThompson> (Make sure you use the proper seal of approval, the bee's knees wax)

[08:15:42] <JonathanThompson> Oh, how bad of me: I forgot to tell you his name!  It's..... Vlasic!

[08:15:45] <DHowett> I think i've lost count.

[08:15:58] <JonathanThompson> (I wanted something more modern, but... well, he grew on me too fast)

[08:16:28] <JonathanThompson> He can be a real jarhead...

[08:17:46] <JonathanThompson> His barks have a crisp bite!

[08:18:07] <JonathanThompson> (That's when he loses his head, it just snaps off cleanly)

[08:19:07] <JonathanThompson> His mother was named DaVine.

[08:19:34] <JonathanThompson> (For once, a dog that's not a son-of-a-bitch)

[08:22:10] <JonathanThompson> When he goes out for walks, instead of the usual doggy doo-doo, he leaves bits of relish behind.

[08:22:36] <JonathanThompson> I keep on scolding him, telling him sooner or later the authorities are going to catsup to him.

[08:22:57] <JonathanThompson> "Vlasic, if you mustard, please, do it on the bun!"

[08:23:15] <JonathanThompson> I just go onion on.

[08:35:00] <DHowett> Anyone in here ever read House of Leaves?

[08:35:19] <JonathanThompson> Does it turn pretty colors in the fall?

[08:35:33] <DHowett> hah

[08:36:12] * JonathanThompson imagines a Washington state version, "House of Pine Needles"

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[10:07:33] <stargater> hi

[10:08:00] <stargater> cu

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[11:47:24] <CIA-21> mmu_man * r27936 /haiku/trunk/headers/private/system/arch/m68k/arch_commpage_defs.h: The last 16MB (physical) on Atari is used for IO, and we currently map it through transparent translation register. Move commpage out of the way.

[11:49:15] <CIA-21> mmu_man * r27937 /haiku/trunk/src/system/boot/platform/atari_m68k/shell.S: Better floppy media descriptor for the fake FAT.

[11:49:34] <mmu_man> committing stuff from my athlon, I don't intend to bring it to BG... :)

[11:50:13] <CIA-21> axeld * r27938 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/workspaces/Workspaces.cpp:

[11:50:13] <CIA-21> * WorkspacesView::MouseDown() now only reacts on mouse buttons within the view

[11:50:13] <CIA-21>  even if the auto raise feature is activated. This fixes bug #2173.

[11:51:05] <CIA-21> mmu_man * r27939 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/bsnow/SnowView.cpp: Some debug code.

[11:51:40] <DHowett> What time's it over there, mmu_man? :)

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[12:02:57] <CIA-21> axeld * r27940 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/workspaces/Workspaces.cpp:

[12:02:57] <CIA-21> * The BView archived the view's event mask - if the auto-raise feature was

[12:02:57] <CIA-21>  enabled when the view got archived, the replicant inherited the event mask

[12:02:57] <CIA-21>  of the view. We now make sure the event mask is always set to 0.

[12:02:57] <CIA-21> * This fixes bug #2566.

[12:02:58] <CIA-21> * Minor cleanup.

[12:18:33] <Begasus> nice ... even the test stuff in glib is compiled now ;)

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[12:59:41] <mmu_man> geist btw I started the arm stuff in gcc, but I think I'll switch to using EABI directly

[12:59:45] <mmu_man> no need to use the old one

[13:00:26] <geist> yeah, use EABI

[13:02:42] <mmu_man> I've been wondering if I should use -eabi in the target name or not

[13:02:56] <mmu_man> since we don't use the old one there is probably no need to differentiate

[13:03:03] <mmu_man> asked on #gcc btu didn't get an answer

[13:03:22] <geist> yeah exactly

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[13:16:13] <mmu_man> if only I could fix that m68k bug before BG

[13:16:20] <mmu_man> probably something really stupid

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[14:04:26] <CIA-21> stippi * r27941 /haiku/trunk/docs/welcome/workspaces.html: Removed wrong additional line breaks for spacing.

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[14:11:03] <CIA-21> dlmcpaul * r27942 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/media/plugins/mp3_reader/MP3ReaderPlugin.cpp: improve detection of quicktime and MPEG4 files

[14:11:04] <CIA-21> mmu_man * r27943 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/vm/vm.cpp:

[14:14:27] <Begasus> re

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[14:34:26] <CIA-21> jackburton * r27944 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/deskbar/BarView.cpp: don't use the minimum window width, but the real window width. Just in case one day the deskbar was a bit wider

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[15:01:01] <Begasus> plop

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[15:02:56] <Begasus> mmu_man, is it better to use sys_page_size = get_page_size(); or sys_page_size = 4096; ?

[15:03:08] <Begasus> I gather Haiku hand it out when being asked for it?

[15:03:10] <mmu_man> where that ?

[15:03:13] <Begasus> hands*

[15:03:15] <Begasus> glib

[15:03:18] <mmu_man> in portable code use PAGE_SIZE or PAGESIZE

[15:03:20] <mmu_man> else B_PAGE_SIZE

[15:03:39] <mmu_man> or there is a posix ID somewhere to get it

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[15:04:32] <mmu_man> or getpagesize() from unistd.h

[15:05:17] <Begasus> err that was ment to be 'getpagesize()' ;)

[15:06:03] <Begasus> it has 3 optional valleus in that line (2 being marked out to select I presume)

[15:06:18] <Begasus> but adding a line for BeOS/Haiku would overrule that ...

[15:08:18] <Begasus> there's already a nice diff file on haikuports for glib ...

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[15:09:33] <judgen> Does BeOS have +rw support for hfsplus of just for old hfs?

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[15:13:02] <Begasus> Teknomancer, ! ;)

[15:13:04] <egon> http://www.beatjapan.org/mirror/www.be.com/support/qandas/faqs/faq-0214.html

[15:13:06] <egon> hehe

[15:13:15] <egon> Connect your keyboard directly to your CPU, and try again.

[15:13:18] <egon> good advice...

[15:13:29] <Teknomancer> Begasus :)

[15:13:30] <Begasus> I always read that link as BEAT japan ... ;)

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[15:14:51] <Teknomancer> i think most people would

[15:14:51] <judgen> be.at.japan

[15:14:56] <Teknomancer> its like mp3shits :)

[15:15:02] <Teknomancer> .com

[15:15:08] <Begasus> rofl

[15:15:26] <Begasus> well same with flickr.com here

[15:15:33] <Teknomancer> hmm

[15:15:36] <Teknomancer> how is that ?

[15:15:37] <Begasus> flickr when pronounced here has quite a diff meaning ;)

[15:15:44] <surrounder> hehe

[15:15:45] <Teknomancer> hmm

[15:15:48] <Teknomancer> dunno

[15:15:48] <Begasus> meaning gay

[15:16:03] <Begasus> 'lo surrounder ;)

[15:16:19] <Begasus> great portal .. bad name choice ;)

[15:16:21] <surrounder> eey Begasus :)

[15:17:41] <mmu_man> judgen old HFS AFAIK

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[15:22:26] <mmu_man> hmm who's responsible for the website currently ?

[15:23:20] <judgen> kawai?

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[15:34:32] <ThomasShirley_> Any estimates on when the build factory will be back up?

[15:34:59] <DeadYak> can try pinging phil next time he's around....

[15:35:07] <DeadYak> he's in .au though so that can get tricky timezone-wise

[15:35:17] * Begasus pets DeadYak

[15:35:27] * DeadYak pets Begasus

[15:35:31] <mmu_man> who uses SGI raw audio format anymore these days anyway ?

[15:35:33] <Begasus> meep ;)

[15:36:08] * DeadYak looks at the Indy under his desk

[15:36:18] <mmu_man> .au :)

[15:36:25] <mmu_man> or was it SUN ?

[15:36:27] <DeadYak> I thought .au predated SGI

[15:36:29] <mmu_man> hmm both IIRC

[15:36:58] <judgen> .au

[15:37:32] <judgen> wonder what it would be like to run zeta 1.51 on the minimum requirements for R4 =P

[15:37:46] <mmu_man> I ran R5 on 8MB

[15:38:06] <judgen> pentium 1 (ranges from 60 to 266mhz) and 16mb ram..

[15:38:22] <judgen> mmu_man that must have been horribly slow.

[15:40:33] <MindChild> judgen: I don't think you can

[15:40:33] <CIA-21> anevilyak * r27945 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/vm/vm_daemons.cpp: Added TRACE macros to this file and redid its dprintfs to use that instead.

[15:41:03] <MindChild> R5 ran fine on my Pentium 150. Zeta won't even run on a Pentium 2 machine for me

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[15:44:49] <Begasus> lowest I ran ZETA on was a P3 933

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[15:48:40] <DeadYak> MindChild: ran fine on my P2-300

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[16:00:20] <soneca> hello

[16:01:13] <helf> HI

[16:01:16] <helf> HOW ARE YOU?!

[16:01:24] <Begasus> deaf by now ...

[16:01:25] <Begasus> ;)

[16:01:33] <helf> hehe

[16:02:35] <soneca> good

[16:02:50] <soneca> so, i just known haiku. It's very interesting

[16:03:14] <soneca> what window manager is that?

[16:03:31] <Begasus> enlightment? <eg>

[16:03:33] <DeadYak> soneca: window manager?

[16:03:37] <DeadYak> soneca: Haiku's not using X11

[16:04:25] <soneca> interesting

[16:04:56] <soneca> i am getting the svn source now. I hope help the project

[16:04:58] <DeadYak> it has its own windowing system that's heavily inspired by that of BeOS, design-wise

[16:05:04] <DeadYak> as are most components of the system

[16:07:03] <Begasus> always welcome to hop in soneca

[16:09:03] <soneca> i am working with parental control

[16:09:29] <ThomasShirley_> Haiku is such a pleasure to use

[16:09:37] <soneca> so, maybe some of the work that i am doing on openoffice, firefox, msn and others, can be done in haiku

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[16:09:46] <ThomasShirley_> Was it particularly laggy before the swap file was introduced?

[16:10:47] <DeadYak> not really

[16:13:12] <ThomasShirley_> Oh :)

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[16:52:47] * helf just argued with a user over whether or not it was his fault or the softwares fault something wasn't working right

[16:53:00] * helf waits for another right up

[16:53:03] <helf> *write up

[16:53:46] <DeadYak> how many of those do you get? :)

[16:54:18] <helf> ive had 2 or 3 so far

[16:54:35] <helf> i think at least one should have expired

[16:55:43] <Teknomancer> hi helf

[16:57:00] <helf> hey tek

[16:57:19] <helf> DeadYak, or did you mean how many do we get before we are fired? :)

[16:57:23] <DeadYak> yes :P

[16:57:36] <helf> ah :P your statement was ambigious!

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[16:57:42] <helf> um, depends on the severity

[16:57:48] <helf> if its bad enough, just one.

[16:58:01] <CIA-21> jackburton * r27946 /haiku/trunk/src/system/libroot/posix/glibc/ctype/ (Jamfile ctype-extn.c): add ctype-extn.c to the build. It contains the function versions of the is*** defines. Without this, bash 3 refuses to compile on haiku

[16:58:03] <helf> i think they have a 3 strikes, your out policy, though.

[16:58:38] <helf> im trying to remember what my other one was for..

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[17:00:09] <Teknomancer> helf:  you're doing some kind of tech support?

[17:00:40] <helf> I'm currently working the helldesk at my job

[17:00:55] <helf> they only stick me up here in the mornings though, before schools out.

[17:01:02] <helf> I'm not sure why :]

[17:01:23] <Teknomancer> ah ok

[17:01:34] <umccullough> helf, ever get that tape drive working?

[17:01:35] <Teknomancer> so why's it bad to tell its the user fault??

[17:02:54] <helf> trust me, they frown on you arguing with people over something like that

[17:03:05] <helf> umccullough, i just found a scsi cable for it

[17:03:11] <helf> haven't had a chance to hook it all up yet.

[17:03:18] <Teknomancer> if the user is stupid and it's his fault... its his fault.

[17:03:20] <Teknomancer> pffft

[17:03:21] <helf> i need to redo my computer desk before I can do anything, really.

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[17:03:43] <helf> Teknomancer, well, yeah :P but you are making the "customers" unhappy. and we cant have that

[17:03:44] <Teknomancer> i think i wouldn't last a day at helpdesk :)

[17:04:06] <Teknomancer> if the customer is wrong, i would let him know it.

[17:04:15] <helf> I'm usually good about it. I just have no patience for people that automatically get defensive and/or attack something they don't understand.

[17:04:17] <Teknomancer> i dunno how else to say

[17:04:34] <helf> "The Customer is always right" doesn't fly with me... :)

[17:04:41] <Teknomancer> it shouldn't fly with anyone

[17:04:56] <helf> welcome to the politically correct world

[17:05:01] <umccullough> helf, shoulda said something, i could have thrown a cable into the box ;)

[17:05:11] <helf> umccullough, I didn't think about it :)

[17:05:22] <helf> looks like tis, what, a 42pin?

[17:05:26] <helf> i think i have one

[17:05:55] <Teknomancer> even devs who ask for support can be wrong

[17:06:05] <umccullough> helf, should be 50 pin

[17:06:15] <umccullough> scsi comes in 50, 68, and 80 IIRC

[17:06:29] <DeadYak> yeah, narrow = 50 pin, wide = 68, SCA = 80 iirc

[17:06:30] <helf> ah

[17:06:50] <DeadYak> I'm assuming you're ignoring SAS

[17:06:58] <helf> i found an external cable that looks like ti matches up. havent checked it yet

[17:07:13] <umccullough> an external cable that matches up to an internal 50-pin? ;)

[17:07:26] <umccullough> or, did you dump it into an enclosure?

[17:07:27] <helf> oh wait

[17:07:31] <helf> i have two tape drives

[17:07:34] <umccullough> heh

[17:07:49] <helf> i have an enclosure and a cable for the 50 pin internal one

[17:07:50] <umccullough> i sent you the 3.5" full height DDS drive

[17:07:52] <helf> brain fart :]

[17:08:37] <helf> im redoing my desk this weekend. ill give it a shot them.

[17:15:13] <tqh> anyone tested spotify yet?

[17:15:35] <DeadYak> spotify?

[17:16:12] <tqh> Online music service. Although only mac/win atm.

[17:16:19] <DeadYak> ah.

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[17:23:30] <helf> never heard of it

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[17:28:34] <ericb2> hello

[17:29:01] <ericb2> mmu_man: ping ?

[17:29:08] <mmu_man> pong

[17:29:11] <mmu_man> :)

[17:29:30] <ericb2> mmu_man: because I was unsure to catch you, I have answerd you rmail

[17:29:37] <mmu_man> k

[17:29:49] <mmu_man> there is #haiku-fr also with some french devs

[17:30:02] <ericb2> mmu_man: and what I propose is to put a new application on our wiki

[17:30:10] <ericb2> mmu_man: ok :)

[17:30:17] <mmu_man> sure, that'd be the first step

[17:30:23] <ericb2> mmu_man:  http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project/Effort

[17:30:45] <Begasus> does Haiku default come with the download folder?

[17:30:47] <ericb2> mmu_man: and I'll help, but not before , say december

[17:31:04] <mmu_man> also, Haiku being a small and clean OS it might be an interesting idea for students

[17:31:17] <mmu_man> we had some GSoC projects in 2007 and 2008

[17:32:21] <ericb2> mmu_man: can you tell me more about the libc, the gcc version and so on haiku does use ?

[17:32:28] <ericb2> mmu_man: and the API

[17:32:43] <ericb2> mmu_man: e.g. for controls, or windows, whatever graphical

[17:38:12] <mmu_man> we use a not so recent glibc (actually it's a mix of 2.3.5 and 2.7 I think, we need to update), inside libroot.so

[17:38:15] <tqh> hehe http://www.iftheworldcouldvote.com is quite interesting

[17:38:32] <mmu_man> tqh the whole earth should vote for the US president

[17:38:39] <mmu_man> the fate of the planet depends on him...

[17:39:08] <mmu_man> ericb2 we use gcc2 currently to maintain binary compatibility with BeOS, but we also have gcc4

[17:39:19] <mmu_man> currently it's planned to release alpha with support for both

[17:39:35] <tqh> mmu_man, maybe not after the economy changes..

[17:39:39] <ericb2> mmu_man: gcc4 is mandatory

[17:39:43] <mmu_man> yes I know

[17:40:00] <mmu_man> the alpha should be hybrid (support both)

[17:40:15] <mmu_man> the website documents the C++ API pretty much

[17:40:18] <ericb2> mmu_man: is it possible to run gcc4 binary on it ?

[17:40:26] <mmu_man> yes

[17:40:33] <ericb2> mmu_man: please add as much of links you can

[17:40:43] <ericb2> mmu_man: well, I see no problem then

[17:40:44] <mmu_man> it's really only a problem to mix C++ objects

[17:41:08] <mmu_man> (ie a gcc2 GUI app won't load a gcc4 addon) but that's it

[17:41:11] <ericb2> mmu_man: the problem is the ABI , because there is some assembler

[17:41:22] <mmu_man> yeah that might be the tricky part

[17:41:40] <mmu_man> but gcc4 should be fine

[17:41:50] <ericb2> mmu_man: in OpenOffice.org is a heart, called the bridge. This is a proxy, between C++, UNO and Java

[17:42:09] <mmu_man> (we have a Java port in the works but it's not there yet)

[17:42:16] <ericb2> mmu_man: to make things simply wortk at normal speed, we need to use assembler

[17:42:33] <mmu_man> http://openjdk.java.net/projects/haiku-port/

[17:42:38] <ericb2>  mmu_man we can build OOo without Java. Just some features will miss

[17:42:39] <mmu_man> eh :))

[17:43:14] <ericb2> mmu_man: I think the osl layer part will work without too much of changes ( but this needs to be checked )

[17:43:31] <mmu_man> ok

[17:43:44] <ericb2> mmu_man: we got 2 sal (system abstraction layers : one is sal (low level), the other is vcl ( graphics)

[17:43:59] <mmu_man> like XUL for moz I suppose

[17:44:12] <ericb2> mmu_man: hmm I don't know too much, but could be

[17:44:46] <ericb2> mmu_man: in the sal, we'll just add a new case, for file system , everything lock, socket .. low level

[17:44:54] <mmu_man> yeah

[17:45:08] <mmu_man> pretty much everything can be copied from POSIX code

[17:45:13] <ericb2> mmu_man: in the vcl, we need to know the API to be used, and I can help or the implementation

[17:45:16] <mmu_man> we should even have pthread

[17:45:19] <mmu_man> BeOS didn't

[17:45:55] <ericb2> mmu_man: I'm not a specialist of pthreads, but I can point you a specialist of that

[17:46:22] * ericb2 must stop now

[17:46:25] <ericb2> bye

[17:46:29] <mmu_man> ok, got the wiki account

[17:46:30] <mmu_man> see ya

[17:46:36] <ericb2> mmu_man: see you

[17:47:05] * tqh starts hacking

[17:47:30] <ericb2> mmu_man: I forgot : thorsten is the canvas specialist in OpenOffice.org, and everything graphical btw ;)

[17:48:00] <mmu_man> k

[17:48:36] <ericb2> mmu_man: he's on #education channel ;)

[17:49:03] <mmu_man> yep saw him

[17:49:41] <ericb2> mmu_man: + he's the author of Impress

[17:49:54] <mmu_man> kudos then:)

[17:53:18] <digitalteufel> What kind of things usually happen at BeGeistert?

[17:54:59] <tqh> what happens at begeistert stays at begeistert :)

[17:55:18] <Begasus> Beer festival!! :D

[17:55:36] <tqh> hacking and socializing I guess. But mostly hacking :)

[17:55:44] <Begasus> so .. glib-2.18.1 compiled ...

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[17:56:15] <tqh> Begasus, on haiku?

[17:56:17] <DeadYak> tqh: hacking, socializing, some little talks/presentations ...

[17:56:20] <Begasus> yep tqh

[17:56:39] <tqh> Begasus, ah very nice. It is needed.

[17:57:01] <digitalteufel> Wish I could go :)

[17:57:11] <tqh> I was so close to be able to go.

[17:58:12] <Begasus> tqh, I got through it with some of the diff stuff at haiku-ports

[17:58:28] <Begasus> specialy the load_user_dirs stuff ;)

[17:58:48] <Begasus> on that note ....

[17:59:03] <tqh> Begasus, ah. I had no such luck when I tried long ago.

[17:59:05] <Begasus> they used g_strdup("/boot/home/Desktop")

[17:59:06] <digitalteufel> Anyone else think that vim should be removed from the Haiku source tree and moved into haiku-ports?

[17:59:15] <Begasus> I used g_strdup("$HOME/Desktop")

[17:59:25] <tqh> Begasus, good call.

[17:59:30] <Begasus> could be that Haiku evolved ;)

[17:59:57] <tqh> digitalteufel, dunno, but I don't need it myself.

[18:00:00] <Begasus> hmm seems it doesn't need the syspage fix also ...

[18:00:36] <Begasus> is this ok in Haiku "sys_page_size= sysconf (_SC_PAGESIZE);" ?

[18:00:49] <digitalteufel> Vim as it is in the Haiku tree is missing the syntax files and colors (for space reasons).

[18:00:49] <Begasus> it doesn't complain 'bout it ...

[18:01:11] <Begasus> digitalteufel, you could build one with a full Vim in? ;)

[18:01:50] <digitalteufel> Begasus, mmu_man says the syntax files alone are 6MB

[18:02:07] <Begasus> doesn't stop you from building from source ;)

[18:02:16] <Begasus> my image is 1GB

[18:02:41] <Begasus> deppending on what I put in it's quite filled ;)

[18:02:41] <mmu_man> mine isn't :p

[18:02:48] <Begasus> hhe

[18:02:54] <mmu_man> Begasus yes, but that won't work on BeOS

[18:03:01] <mmu_man> getpagesize() is just fine, and portable

[18:03:22] <mmu_man> but I added _SC_PAGESIZE also so for Haiku it's usable

[18:03:24] <Begasus> but on Haiku it's fine like that?

[18:03:30] <Begasus> ah k thnx

[18:03:49] <Begasus> had a prob with that before so I used the other option in that line ... no need for that anymore then ;)

[18:04:20] * Begasus scratches a line in the list of lib building ... ;)

[18:05:10] <digitalteufel> I have a design for my new Backgrounds add-on :)

[18:05:25] <Begasus> it even builds with the tests tqh ;)

[18:05:52] <tqh> Begasus, excellent, feed it back to the glib guys and I'm happy ;)

[18:06:23] <Begasus> hmm ... there are still some things on haiku-ports that I didn't use ... not sure if they are still applicable ...

[18:06:35] <tqh> it's needed for firefox building. I hacked the crap out of it to get something to be able to crosscompile from linux.

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[18:06:50] <digitalteufel> It'll have gradients, svg support, text and maybe event video backgrounds :)

[18:07:25] <tqh> great, then only sound, network and 3d is missing :P

[18:07:46] <Begasus> hehe

[18:08:36] <tqh> finally a firefox that is almost passable for a Haiku app.

[18:08:52] <tqh> pig in a dress :)

[18:08:58] <Teknomancer> :)

[18:08:59] <Begasus> rofl

[18:10:34] <tqh> I encoded every defined color in mozilla code to 80..20, 80..20,80..20 values and looked where they were used. Then I read the haiku sources on how it sets the colors. Both sides has a lot of magic...

[18:11:14] <Begasus> ps ... I think the load_user_dirs was a prob in mozilla also long ago?

[18:11:25] <Begasus> or get_user_dirs ...

[18:11:38] <digitalteufel> Hm, the backgrounds add-on can also set the backgrounds for individual folders?

[18:11:45] <tqh> I am like a goldfish in memory.

[18:11:52] <Begasus> hehe

[18:12:02] <digitalteufel> Doesn't seem to work though.

[18:12:13] <Begasus> same here ... only scratches ... ;)

[18:12:22] <mmu_man> tqh and OOo :)

[18:12:36] <digitalteufel> Or am I just missing something?

[18:12:54] <DeadYak> digitalteufel: only shows in icon view iirc

[18:12:57] <DeadYak> digitalteufel: not list

[18:13:28] <tqh> mmu_man, btw was eric a OOo dev?

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[18:13:33] <mmu_man> yes

[18:13:36] <tqh> ah cool

[18:13:39] <mmu_man> he did the OSX port

[18:14:03] <tqh> and he wants to do another? :)

[18:15:00] <Begasus> he's really into his 'hobby' 0_0

[18:15:16] <digitalteufel> DeadYak, is that normal?

[18:16:06] <DeadYak> digitalteufel: yes, that was a deliberate design decision since the list view has enough information that a background would likely be too distracting, and also the current list mode drawing code doesn't correctly cope with it

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[18:16:16] <Begasus> whoohoo!!!

[18:16:26] <mmu_man> no I talked with him at RMLL in july and he'd be helping a bit

[18:16:29] <Begasus> libIDL 0.8.11 also compiled ;)

[18:16:37] <DeadYak> Begasus: trying to build mozilla?

[18:16:49] <tqh> Begasus, great also needed :)

[18:16:51] <Begasus> nah ... but mmadia asked 'bout those 2 libs

[18:16:54] <DeadYak> ah

[18:17:00] <Begasus> and you know me ;)

[18:17:05] <tqh> he is building firefox :)

[18:17:06] <DeadYak> the only time I've needed those two libs is building mozilla derivatives :)

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[18:17:18] <Begasus> well once glib is done libIDL compiles pretty much out of the box

[18:17:32] <tqh> yes libIDL is quite easy.

[18:17:37] <tqh> glib, is scary

[18:18:02] <digitalteufel> Speaking of icon view, the spacing seems messed up by files with even slightly large filenames.

[18:18:07] <Begasus> can imagine ... it's not like the lib is compiled and installed that everything is ok ... ;)

[18:18:33] <Begasus> but that's for others to test and iron out ;)

[18:18:35] <Begasus> ^^

[18:23:32] <Begasus> tqh, http://www.zeta-games.com/temp/Haiku_libs.html

[18:23:40] <Begasus> wrote down how I did it there ...

[18:23:57] <Begasus> updated ;)

[18:25:19] <tqh> Begasus, great will try later on, using ancient glib at the moment.

[18:25:37] <tqh> I think it was gettext lib that I choked on when I tried.

[18:26:35] <Begasus> ah the missing header in that file online is also fixed ...

[18:26:54] <Begasus> atleast ... I think it was added the other day

[18:27:58] <Begasus> hm seems I even did'nt use --disable-threads there ;)

[18:34:05] <digitalteufel> Where can I get NetSurf?

[18:34:24] <AlienSoldier> digitalteufel on mmu_man page

[18:34:42] <AlienSoldier> revol.free something like that

[18:35:13] <tqh> I thought it was mmu_man:// :)

[18:35:17] <Begasus> http://revolf.free.fr/beos/netsurf-bone.zip

[18:35:23] <mmu_man> lol

[18:36:09] <AlienSoldier> they should just convert it to hexa, because 2 number might not be enbough http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2008/10/09/sign-of-the-times-2/?mod=googlenews_wsj

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[18:38:37] <Begasus> tqh, http://www.zeta-games.com/temp/libIDL-0.8.11_haiku.zip

[18:38:44] <Begasus> glib still uploading ...

[18:38:49] <MindChild> I love IDL

[18:38:56] <MindChild> the world needs a good IDL designer

[18:39:10] <Begasus> http://www.zeta-games.com/temp/glib-2.18.1_haiku.zip

[18:39:23] <Begasus> that should be the one in a minute or two

[18:39:34] <tqh> thx, but I'm gcc4 only here :)

[18:39:39] <Begasus> rofl

[18:40:23] <Begasus> how do you cross compile for Haiku? inside linux?

[18:40:32] <Begasus> glib uploaded

[18:41:16] <tqh> yes

[18:41:42] <tqh> I wrote a song... er, article about it: http://wiki.bebits.com/page/CrosscompilingFirefox

[18:42:00] <Begasus> hehe

[18:42:01] <Begasus> thnx!

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[18:42:41] <DeadYak> http://aht.seriouseats.com/archives/2008/10/the-hamburger-fatty-melt-a-burger-with-two-grilled-cheese-sandwiches-as-its-bun.html ...... only in the US...

[18:42:56] <helf> omg

[18:42:58] <helf> thats wonderful

[18:43:00] <helf> i want that

[18:43:07] <DeadYak> I rest my case

[18:43:30] <helf> seriously

[18:43:31] <Begasus> added to bookmarks tqh

[18:43:33] <helf> why havent i thought of that

[18:43:35] <Begasus> going out here ...

[18:43:39] <Begasus> dog practice ;)

[18:43:42] <Begasus> cya peeps!

[18:43:54] <helf> my family never eats what i cook because i mix random crap together

[18:44:00] <helf> but my sandwhiches rock :P

[18:44:07] * helf knows what he is making soon

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[18:44:53] <tqh> so you are going to mix your awesome sandwiches with random crap?

[18:45:07] <helf> make that burger

[18:45:14] <tqh> yes..

[18:45:15] <helf> i do that to my sandwhiches already

[18:45:28] * helf is open to new flavors and general oddness :)

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[18:46:07] <tqh> up here we have a calzone pizza with a hamburger meal with french fries baked in :)

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[18:46:30] <helf> we have that :)

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[18:46:39] <helf> do you have the double pizzas?

[18:47:02] <helf> two pizzas stacked ontop of each other and cooked

[18:47:07] <tqh> not that I know of.

[18:47:08] <DeadYak> tqh: how about a calzone with lutefisk? :P

[18:47:15] <DeadYak> or wait, that might've been nor way...

[18:47:17] <DeadYak> norway

[18:47:19] <DeadYak> I can't type today

[18:47:25] <helf> Welcome to my world

[18:47:31] <helf> :)

[18:47:51] <tqh> DeadYak, could be norway or sweden, but probably norway, they like fish.

[18:47:54] <DeadYak> I'm hoping you meant the typing and not the lutefisk

[18:48:02] <helf> i got one of my friends to order food like i do one day. he loves it now

[18:48:02] <DeadYak> tqh: yes, but that stuff is just wrong :)

[18:48:11] <tqh> no argument there.

[18:48:18] <DeadYak> I'm not sure you can still call that a fish :)

[18:48:21] <helf> a hamburger with added chicken patties and bacon adn a few other things

[18:48:34] <DeadYak> helf: how the hell do you stay thin?

[18:48:44] <helf> apparently i have a over active metabolism

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[18:49:07] <AlienSoldier> or lot of flat worms

[18:49:11] <helf> or that

[18:50:05] <tqh> it's all good :)

[18:50:26] <helf> sandwhiches with four or five types of cheese and same with meats are wonderful

[18:50:56] <tqh> dunno, sounds like it needs more cheese.

[18:51:15] <helf> thats usually the number i have at home

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[18:51:45] <tqh> I usually have two. One that's okay and one who expired a long time ago.

[18:51:53] <helf> that means its still OK

[18:51:56] <helf> just cut the mold off

[18:51:59] <helf> ^_^

[18:52:13] <helf> i found a thing of extra sharp cheddar that was .. a bit past its due date

[18:52:18] <egon> im watching postal

[18:52:21] <helf> cut the mold off.. man it was GOOD

[18:52:35] <helf> this is probably why im so healthy. i give my immune system a constant workout

[18:52:41] <tqh> yes throw away the non-moldy parts and eat the good stuff.

[18:53:34] <AlienSoldier> egon hehe, watched dungeon seige the other day, my god those film are bad, still want to see postal :)

[18:53:45] <helf> I havent seen postal

[18:53:52] <helf> i want to see blindness and quarantine

[18:53:54] <DeadYak> AlienSoldier: hah, Uwe Boll = run far far away

[18:54:02] <helf> i watched part of [*REC]

[18:54:10] <helf> its OK. I hope quarantine didnt ruin it

[18:54:17] <AlienSoldier> i know, yet i saw ALL is film, exept house of the dead, and i plan to eventually see it :P

[18:54:33] <helf> I had the hardest time giving away alone in the dark

[18:54:34] <AlienSoldier> that said, i never spent a dime on them, other than my time

[18:54:38] <helf> i bought it without knowing who made it..

[18:54:44] <helf> the used dvd shop wouldnt even take it back

[18:54:53] <MindChild> Alone in the Dark was possily the worst movie I ever saw

[18:55:01] <egon> i think the postal movie is actually so far very close to the game

[18:55:04] <helf> they wouldnt let me trade it in, at all. heh

[18:55:04] <egon> and the acting isnt bad

[18:55:39] <DeadYak> helf: ROTFL

[18:55:54] <AlienSoldier> huh? was that the special thing about postal, the only one not based on a game?

[18:56:02] <DeadYak> Postal was a game, no?

[18:56:16] <egon> postal2 is what the movie is based on

[18:56:28] <egon> that game rocked

[18:59:13] <helf> DeadYak, there was another movie they wouldnt take back as well... im trying to remember what it was. it was horrible

[18:59:17] <helf> oh

[18:59:18] <helf> solaris

[18:59:23] <helf> they wouldnt take it back.

[18:59:40] <DeadYak> the new one presumably?

[19:00:00] <helf> yeah, the one with clooney

[19:00:03] <DeadYak> ah

[19:00:09] <DeadYak> yeah, I heard that was pretty terrible

[19:00:22] <helf> yeah, dont ever watch it

[19:00:32] <helf> its extremely pointless while trying soooo hard to be "deep"

[19:00:43] <egon> the worst movie i ever watched is Dr T

[19:00:57] <helf> Dr. T?

[19:01:12] <DeadYak> you know, I'm not sure what I'd qualify as worst movie I've ever seen

[19:01:12] <egon> after seeing that movie my eyes hurt everytime i see that smug POS that played the lead role.

[19:01:18] <helf> The asian star wars rip off movie is terrible

[19:01:23] <helf> ill have to dig it up at some point

[19:01:47] <DeadYak> ripoff or horribly subtitled one?

[19:01:57] <helf> ripoff

[19:01:59] <DeadYak> oh

[19:02:02] <egon> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0205271/

[19:02:03] <helf> its their version of it

[19:02:06] <helf> its awful :)

[19:02:07] <egon> fucking hate that mivoe

[19:02:08] <DeadYak> I thought you meant star Wars: Backstroke of the West :P

[19:02:14] <helf> heh

[19:02:41] <egon> Richad Gere what a POS

[19:06:13] <helf> found it DeadYak

[19:06:15] <helf> full movie :)

[19:06:16] <helf> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7069307816427160377

[19:06:20] <helf> "Turkish Star Wars"

[19:07:43] <AlienSoldier> solaris "remake" was not bad

[19:08:11] <helf> the new one?

[19:08:15] <DeadYak> helf: oh that

[19:08:23] <AlienSoldier> worst movie i saw this month was "the golden compass".  took me 3 sitting to finaly finish it

[19:09:17] <helf> i sat through it OK

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[19:09:44] <ddew|bofh> gah, utter frustration!

[19:09:47] <helf> but ill apparently sit through little kid movies, too... im easily amused

[19:10:22] <tqh> honestly, that tooltip background color is awful.

[19:10:28] <ddew|bofh> hhow in the *bleep*-ing *bleep* can someone think it's ok to only load _some_ php-files on a webserver and just enable one to download others? :O

[19:10:56] <ddew|bofh> i'm too old for this shit :)

[19:11:12] <helf> ha

[19:11:16] <helf> yay, lunch time. cya later

[19:11:27] <MindChild> If you havent seen it: http://idle.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/29/1433206

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[19:21:07] <egon> hehe where is my money? Ive got something better jewish gold teeth. HAHA

[19:21:08] <egon> classic

[19:21:13] <egon> this movie rocks so far.

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[19:23:31] <egon> WOAH Uwe Boll just shot a little kid eating a corndog right in the stomach!

[19:23:47] <egon> this is so like the game!

[19:25:13] <egon> Now they are kidnapping a midget in a suitcase

[19:25:15] <egon> haha

[19:25:24] <egon> a suitcase full of glow in the dark dildos no less

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[19:27:40] <egon> And the trailer he lives in looks very much like the one in the game

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[19:38:56] <ddew|bofh> ok, it can't be healthy to like the steaming pile of shit called postal that much :)

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[19:41:13] <egon> ddew|bofh that game was fun

[19:41:17] <egon> postal2 that is

[19:41:33] <ddew|bofh> i'd go as far as say that it was midly amusing

[19:41:45] <ddew|bofh> the movie otoh is the worst pos i've seen in years

[19:45:53] <egon> ddew|bofh never seen dr T and the women i see.

[19:46:20] <ddew|bofh> actually i have, and I still consider postal the worst pos :)

[19:46:39] <egon> wtf

[19:46:45] <egon> dr t is alot more shit

[19:47:33] <DeadYak> in other words, you haven't seen Manos: The Hands of Fate :P

[19:47:37] <ddew|bofh> atleast it's somewhat original

[19:47:39] <egon> hehe

[19:48:05] <ddew|bofh> :)

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[19:51:11] <egon> ddew|bofh the fact that i like it might be due to the spice i smoked.

[19:51:51] <ddew|bofh> no wonder, potheads have zero taste :)

[19:51:58] <egon> its not pot.

[19:52:32] <ddew|bofh> well, some mind altering substance presumably anyhoo

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[19:53:18] <egon> yup

[19:53:53] <ddew|bofh> can't understand why people want to alter their minds. i'm perfectly fine with mine as it is :)

[19:54:22] <egon> ddew|bofh dont drink either?

[19:54:28] <ddew|bofh> well, except for my insane abuse of caffeine. but that's hardly mind-altering, just enhancing

[19:54:34] <ddew|bofh> i drink occasionally

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[19:54:47] <pyCube> um

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[19:55:25] <pyCube> "alter you mind" is a really lame way of looking at it.. its not like going in and physically rearranging things

[19:55:44] <ddew|bofh> nope, but you're chemically rearranging shit

[19:55:57] <ddew|bofh> and as far as the mind's concerned they're pretty much the same

[19:55:58] <pyCube> experience IS chemical balances/imbalances..

[19:56:03] <digitalteufel> pyCube is right actually.

[19:56:21] <pyCube> looking at something "alters you mind"

[19:56:26] <pyCube> your

[19:56:37] <pyCube> eating someting "alters your mind"

[19:56:38] <ddew|bofh> if you want to argue semantics, feel free to do so

[19:56:46] <pyCube> its not about semantics

[19:56:57] <pyCube> its about taking a metaphorically expression literally

[19:56:58] <digitalteufel> It's not symantics, that's what actually happens.

[19:57:04] <pyCube> metaphorical

[19:57:22] <pyCube> "alter"

[19:57:44] <pyCube> not suggesting going around eating drugs willynilly.. just saying..

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[19:58:36] <ddew|bofh> heh, i should really think about refreshing my english vocablulary. one tends to get too comfy

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[20:01:14] <egon> the final battle scene is very odd

[20:01:31] <digitalteufel> ?

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[20:02:43] <egon> digitalteufel postal the movie

[20:04:27] <helf> back

[20:06:39] <pyCube> hi helf

[20:07:44] <egon> fun movie, but where are the zombies?

[20:08:17] <pyCube> I dunno why anybody would want to look through a telescope.. i can see the stars/planets just fine with my natural eyes

[20:08:24] <egon> maybe there will be a postal 2 - apocalyspe weekend movie =)

[20:08:53] <egon> pyCube i got bad vision...

[20:11:18] <helf> hey PulkoMandy

[20:11:25] <helf> er

[20:11:25] <helf> pyCube,

[20:11:37] <helf> also, telescopes make small shit bigger so you can see more detail. or see more of the tiny white specs ;)

[20:11:41] <helf> Wives are like video games; they're lots of fun to play with, but it's all over once you beat them.

[20:11:57] <PulkoMandy> (hey :))

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[20:14:10] <pyCube> helf: that was sorta my sarcastic point, re: injesting various plants/altering ones perseption

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[20:15:18] <pyCube> ..except spelled properly

[20:15:50] <pyCube> ..so, I moved from wmii to awesome.. window manager wise

[20:15:51] <pyCube> heh

[20:16:29] <pyCube> with these giant 30 inch monitors, i dunno how people can stand using erqular windowy type wm's

[20:16:48] <helf> :P

[20:16:58] <helf> I thought you were already on Awesome

[20:17:12] <pyCube> when i watch other people try to work, *I* get frustratred watching them try to manage/find windows

[20:17:36] <ddew|bofh> heh, alt-tabbing too complicated for them?

[20:17:43] <pyCube> was using wmii and xmonad before

[20:17:44] <egon> I have two 22" and a 42" in the middle.

[20:18:00] <helf> bastard

[20:18:03] <helf> i have a 17"

[20:18:04] <helf> and a 15"

[20:18:06] <helf> CRT!

[20:18:08] <egon> dang

[20:18:14] <egon> i havent owned a crt for ages now.

[20:18:15] <pyCube> ddew|bofh: that is still dumb.. too much human managiness

[20:18:34] <pyCube> and windows often get lost

[20:18:36] <helf> egon, well, i cant afford an LCD :)

[20:18:51] <pyCube> once you go tiled-wm, its tough to go back

[20:18:56] <ddew|bofh> i manage to get around just fine with alt-tab even with tons of windows open

[20:19:04] <helf> yeah

[20:19:06] <helf> i never have issues

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[20:19:32] <pyCube> ddew|bofh: sure.. not saying its impossible.. its just SO much nicer with a tileing wm

[20:19:48] <egon> pyCube i never liked tiling...

[20:19:51] <egon> dont know why

[20:19:59] <pyCube> i got around just fine for years without it.. but its still WAY nicer

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[20:20:02] <ddew|bofh> i've used tiling wms extensively over the years but i alway keep coming back to "normal" ones :)

[20:20:15] <helf> i like a combination of the two

[20:20:19] <pyCube> guess it depends on what your doing

[20:20:32] <helf> ill keep some stuff "tiled" on the side and use the open area for windows

[20:20:40] <pyCube> its not only the tiling thats nice.. its the tagging

[20:21:06] <pyCube> and you can have floating windows ..even a whole "worksapce" just for floatiness

[20:21:06] <helf> i need to try it out

[20:21:10] <egon> wonder why dell dont have a scroll-wheel on their laptops. just that stinky touchpad scroll thing ni the new ones.

[20:21:12] <helf> awesome looked cool

[20:21:27] <ddew|bofh> the funnest bit is the insane tweakability

[20:21:28] <helf> egon, I *hate* touchpads for the most part.

[20:21:48] <pyCube> Ooo.. its thai food day today..

[20:22:05] <helf> i use one on my NeXT.. just becuase my mouse isnt too nice

[20:22:26] <egon> helf agree with you there, but atleast they are better than the crappy legacy steering stick they used to put in laptops, that extensively scratched the screen when the springs of the keys around got a little worn.

[20:22:26] <helf> once I get the ps/2 mouse i want, though, ill swap out :P

[20:22:47] <helf> what?

[20:22:50] <helf> the nipple?

[20:22:53] <helf> i love the nipple

[20:22:56] <ddew|bofh> clits rule!

[20:22:56] <egon> yeah i hate the nipple

[20:23:03] <helf> my current two laptops have a nipple and a trackball

[20:23:07] <helf> ddew|bofh, :P

[20:23:10] <helf> i adore the nipples

[20:23:15] <egon> trackball on a lappy? what model

[20:23:25] <helf> NEC Versa P/75

[20:23:27] <helf> old laptop

[20:23:28] <helf> i love it :)

[20:23:31] <egon> haha

[20:23:38] <egon> THAT old

[20:23:47] <helf> I use it for WAR driving

[20:23:51] <helf> works great

[20:23:52] <egon> WAR?

[20:23:58] <pyCube> i put rockbox on my daughters old ipod mini lastnight.. pretty slick stuff

[20:24:05] <HeTo> I'd choose the nipple any day over a touchpad too

[20:24:15] <pyCube> doom on an ipod mini is, um, interesting

[20:24:23] <pyCube> heh

[20:24:29] <helf> Wireless Access reconasense

[20:24:34] <ddew|bofh> almost as gnarly as quake4iphone

[20:24:57] <helf> heh, my boss had that on his creative zen

[20:25:20] <helf> egon, aka, looking for wifi access points

[20:25:49] <ddew|bofh> helf needs that for when he's looking for kiddie-porn and warez

[20:26:03] <helf> *reconnaisance

[20:26:10] <helf> I cant spell for crap today

[20:26:21] <helf> ddew|bofh, shhhh

[20:26:27] <ddew|bofh> :P

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[20:26:40] <helf> people arent supposed to know about the warez! ;)

[20:26:58] <ddew|bofh> hehe

[20:27:17] <ddew|bofh> heh, wwtdd rocks

[20:27:33] <ddew|bofh> shows me things i had no idea existed

[20:27:57] <ddew|bofh> like, did you know that there's a photo of a horse licking angelina jolies boobies?

[20:28:51] <helf> did the rest of the series get leaked? ;)

[20:28:56] <helf> that was jsut the beginning

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[20:33:55] <helf> im not even sure they changed the tint. I tihnk thats just from the copy quality being so bad

[20:34:15] <helf> they even use music from other movies. Like Indiana Jones

[20:35:28] * PulkoMandy prefers Starcrash

[20:36:31] <egon> hehe

[20:36:57] <egon> the two stongest turkish warriors and some other humans siled into space and declared war...

[20:36:59] <egon> hahaha

[20:38:23] <egon> and the robot is awsome... a watercooler with a warning signal light on top.

[20:38:27] <egon> bloody hillarious

[20:39:32] <egon> btw is it the same guy talking the entire movie, or do someone actually act themselves?

[20:42:07] <egon> Haha now i recognized the indiana jones music

[20:43:01] <ddew|bofh> heh, coolness. Hawking, Sagan and Clarke all in the same tv-show :D

[20:43:40] <helf> ddew|bofh, which? :D

[20:43:43] <helf> egon : its hilarious

[20:43:54] <helf> btw, Paul Anka rocks :P

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[20:44:23] <ddew|bofh> helf "God, the universe and everything else"

[20:44:38] <ddew|bofh> it's the like a who's who of cool people

[20:44:43] <helf> God, The Universe,  and everything else

[20:44:46] <helf> kewl

[20:44:46] <ddew|bofh> err *it's like

[20:45:26] <egon> the hero is semi-overweight

[20:45:35] <helf> egon: makes it better :P

[20:46:11] <egon> and now he attained superpowers

[20:46:18] <egon> able to blow up rocks with his kicks.

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[20:46:33] <helf> I like how the confirmation number they give you for your FASFA PIN request is the date and time string

[20:48:38] <egon> HAHAHAHA the last scene ROX!!!

[20:48:50] <egon> when he cut the villain in half both sides had the nose.

[20:49:13] <egon> they are just using a black paper infront of the lens... and poorly too.

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[20:50:25] <egon> And when the villain died deom cliffs somewhere else blew up

[20:50:27] <helf> for a film made in 1982, it looks like some film school reject from the 50s

[20:50:48] <egon> Uwe Boll is a genious compared to this shit.

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[20:51:14] <helf> genius too, no doubt :P

[20:51:26] <helf> I dunno

[20:51:32] <ddew|bofh> i'm thinking it's a question of budget :P

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[20:51:36] <helf> I think I'd rather watch the Turkish Star Wars than half his movies

[20:51:51] <ddew|bofh> uwe boll is painfully crap

[20:51:54] <helf> ddew : I could probably make a better movie with $100 ;P

[20:52:06] <ddew|bofh> hehe

[20:52:10] <AlienSoldier> can't wait for a movie conversion of lamatron

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[20:53:01] <egon> helf if you did that movie today you would get sued over your head

[20:53:58] <helf> oh I know :)

[20:54:30] <AlienSoldier> the rambo turkish one is of mention

[20:55:03] <AlienSoldier> besy staircase fight ever

[20:55:06] <AlienSoldier> *best

[20:55:51] <AlienSoldier> not to mention rocket launcher with flaming rocket that fall 3 inch already just after exiting the launcher

[20:56:21] <egon> hehe

[20:56:28] <egon> turksih movies are funny

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[20:57:23] <egon> and they use that same principle that the polish do (or atleast last time i was there) with only one guy doing all the voices and if its an forreign film dubbing it all, including the titlescreens and credits texts.

[20:57:28] <AlienSoldier> what is that country finishing in "stan" with megaloman dictator that builded a giant staircase, i would like to see 1 movie made there

[20:58:05] <egon> AlienSoldier giant staircase? you mean that one made by the Dalai Lahma in tibet?

[20:58:12] <egon> or was it in Nepal by the king.

[20:58:20] <AlienSoldier> egon noit only 1 dub them all, they dub over the original dialog :)

[20:59:11] <egon> yeah not even removing the old stuff

[20:59:40] <egon> AlienSoldier the worlds longest staircase is in switzerland 11,674 steps long.

[21:00:11] <helf> nice

[21:00:13] <egon> goes to an altitude of 2,336 meters above sea level. (i dont know how far up it started though)

[21:00:19] <helf> i wanna run up that!

[21:00:31] <egon> helf insane?

[21:00:48] <helf> that would take you 1.62 hours to run up at 2 steps a second

[21:00:50] <helf> ^_^

[21:00:52] <helf> be fun

[21:01:47] <AlienSoldier> i need to try a bmx in those

[21:02:20] <helf> i really want to go see that staircase, now.

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[21:03:38] <egon> helf maybe you need a snack to run that staricase. bring the worlds longest sausage. 59.14 kilometers long.. hehe

[21:03:45] <helf> LOL

[21:03:59] <helf> i wonder far i could get before passing out

[21:04:13] <pyCube> hehe

[21:04:15] <helf> running up steps is /really/ good exercise

[21:04:37] <egon> and bring an ipod with the worlds longest sermon: Dr. Donald Thomas' sermon goers had to endure a record setting 93 hours of sermonizing, a record no one wants to see broken again.

[21:04:40] <pyCube> its so funny watching a movie that looks like a videogame with a kinda crappy 3d engine

[21:04:40] <helf> with my luck, i'd trip running up and slide down

[21:04:55] <helf> who the fuck would sit through a 93hour sermom!?!?

[21:05:04] <egon> some americans apperantly did

[21:05:08] <helf> wtf

[21:05:09] <pyCube> its also cool watching the above mentioned movie slowly turn into something that lokos f'ing amazing

[21:05:15] <egon> but who the hell can stand up and talk for 93 hours.

[21:05:16] <helf> i get aggitated when they run over 30 minutes

[21:05:29] <egon> i dont go to church.

[21:05:34] <helf> i havent in over ayear

[21:05:43] <helf> always annoyed me

[21:05:50] <helf> i stopped going when i had the chance

[21:06:33] <egon> Imagine plqing quake1 on this TV: The Diamond Vision display was built by the Mitsubishi Electric Corporation and measures 70.4 meters or 231 feet long and 8 meters or 26 feet high.

[21:06:53] <egon> playing*

[21:07:41] <helf> how about Rez

[21:07:42] <helf> mmm

[21:07:47] <ddew|bofh> is everyone on their way to begeistert or something?

[21:08:12] <egon> helf the resolution does not have to be great for quake1

[21:08:15] <DeadYak> probably, the tour of the brewery is tomorrow iirc

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[21:08:46] <egon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct8nZ6eTTiY

[21:08:50] <ddew|bofh> ah

[21:08:52] <egon> look at the leanght

[21:09:08] <helf> I wish I could go

[21:09:13] <egon> youtube video at 100mb 4:36:03

[21:09:29] <egon> more than 4 hours long.

[21:10:09] <helf> what a pointless record to hold

[21:10:13] <egon> hehe yeah

[21:11:04] <ddew|bofh> oh ffs

[21:11:23] <ddew|bofh> how the hell can investing in a public planetarium be a bad thing?

[21:11:31] <helf> what?

[21:11:40] <helf> Planetariums rock

[21:11:51] <egon> HAHA the longest pizza delivery: 11,042 KM - 6,861 Miles

[21:12:04] <egon> from south africa to sydney  australia

[21:12:18] <helf> i imagine they got quite the tip

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[21:13:48] <egon> The longest midget toss on record that we could find was made during the British Dwarf Tossing championships of 2002 when Jimmy Leonard of England tossed all 4'4" and 98 pounds of  Lenny the Giant a giant  11 feet 5 inches.

[21:13:50] <egon> HAHAHAHHA

[21:14:11] <egon> hillarious

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[21:21:13] <egon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment

[21:21:22] <egon> Jeanne Calment smoked until she was 117, and only quit when she could no longer see well enough to light the cigarettes.

[21:21:30] <egon> haha

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[21:22:24] <JonathanThompson> I wonder if that pizza was hot or not when it got there? :)

[21:22:46] <pyCube> stressing out about health and aging shaves years off ones life

[21:22:47] <JonathanThompson> If I were the one delivering the pizza, I'd have an oven in the delivery vehicle, and not cook it until almost there.

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[21:27:11] <ddew|bofh> heya JT

[21:28:10] <JonathanThompson> Greets

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[21:30:12] <mmadia> hi

[21:30:26] * mmadia taps tqh on the shoulder

[21:31:36] <egon> btw anyone have lbreakout2?

[21:32:31] <tqh> mmadia, hi

[21:32:47] <mmadia> just saw your LJ post.  sounds like a plan.

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[21:34:00] <mmu_man> damn

[21:34:06] * mmu_man has a sore throat

[21:34:09] <tqh> mmadia, ah nice

[21:34:16] <mmu_man> why am I always sick when going to BG ?

[21:34:22] * tqh has a sore throat as well

[21:35:10] <tqh> must be all the chatting

[21:35:23] <ddew|bofh> any alpha plans for begeistert?

[21:35:53] <ddew|bofh> i've read the occasional hint about making an alpha drop there

[21:35:58] <tqh> I think there will be an 1.0Alpha 1 of beer goggles.

[21:36:03] <ddew|bofh> hehe

[21:36:24] <AlienSoldier> stress lower imuno system

[21:36:39] <ddew|bofh> here's to hoping that the re driver gets an overhaul at bg :)

[21:37:03] <pyCube> man, i gotta say.. having food brought to you at work is like, nice

[21:37:03] <tqh> i suspect it won't be at begeistert, but hopefully the coding event will make it not so far away.

[21:37:15] <ddew|bofh> right

[21:37:30] <ddew|bofh> in my head begeistert and the coding event was one and the same :)

[21:37:36] <ddew|bofh> seeing their proximity and whatnot

[21:37:46] <AlienSoldier> the coding event is for planed stuff or improvisation?

[21:38:46] <ddew|bofh> if anyone fixes the re driver during the event i'll buy them a beer at the next bg

[21:38:54] <tqh> it's a continuation after begeistert and it has some kind of plan, but if that involves what coding I don't know.

[21:39:08] <helf> hm

[21:39:12] <helf> no one believes that I'm 21

[21:39:42] <ddew|bofh> helf: they're guessing 12? :P

[21:39:45] <tqh> ddew|bofh, and what if it's in the freebsd network compability layer?

[21:39:52] <pyCube> youre 21?

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[21:40:06] <ddew|bofh> tqh: iirc it is, does that matter?

[21:40:30] <tqh> only if you only buy beers for those that fix the driver :)

[21:40:45] <helf> yeah, I'm 21

[21:40:51] <pyCube> helf: werent you like 14 or something when you first showed up in beosland?

[21:40:57] <helf> I've had gas station attendants claim my ID is a fkae

[21:40:59] <helf> *fake

[21:41:00] <tqh> I'm 21 and then some :)

[21:41:07] <helf> pyCube, something like that

[21:41:09] <ddew|bofh> tqh: heh, i guess something can be arranged for the guys working on the fbsd compat layer :P

[21:41:28] <helf> tqh : celebrating the 6th anniversary of your 21st birthday? ;)

[21:41:42] <tqh> eleventh :)

[21:41:49] <pyCube> helf: so you could say that i have had an influence on you in your formative years.. hehehe

[21:42:09] <helf> pyCube, that is a scary thought

[21:42:10] <ddew|bofh> pyCube: now that's a scary thought ;P

[21:42:17] <helf> heh

[21:42:23] <helf> twh : ah :P

[21:42:24] <ddew|bofh> jinxed

[21:42:25] <helf> tqh

[21:42:33] <tqh> yes?

[21:42:47] <helf> i was ah'ing your response

[21:43:20] <helf> What's scary is that the internet had an influence on me back then

[21:43:57] <tqh> Al Gore hadn't invented Internet when I grew up :)

[21:44:25] <helf> it was still a series of small tubes when I was little

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[21:45:25] <pyCube> i used cb's for communication when i was a kid

[21:45:59] <helf> my dad was a CB nut when he was my age

[21:46:20] <pyCube> i had lots of fun with cb's

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[21:46:56] <pyCube> breaker breaker..  ten four good buddy

[21:47:06] <helf> this is rubber ducky

[21:47:13] <pyCube> grey ghost

[21:47:16] <pyCube> heh

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[21:48:00] <pyCube> cb's are like redneck irc

[21:48:23] <pyCube> its fun if youre in an area with lots of people using them

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[21:49:17] <helf> hey matt

[21:49:21] <mmadia> howdy

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[21:49:48] <helf> how goes it?

[21:49:55] <egon> But everyone knows McCain invented the blackberry =P

[21:50:26] <mmadia> it goes.  yourself?  : )

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[21:50:50] <tqh> he's quite old so he probably invented a lot of stuff. Like electricity.

[21:50:56] <egon> HA

[21:50:59] <helf> ok, stuck at work for awhile yet

[21:51:00] <egon> ownage

[21:51:15] <helf> mmadia, thinking about tackling rebuilding my rabbit engine myself

[21:51:17] <egon> tqh Like he invented fire?

[21:51:18] <helf> that'll be interesting

[21:51:21] <helf> and most likely hilarious

[21:51:22] <mmadia> invented or *witness being invented* ?

[21:51:25] <helf> ]to toher people watching :P

[21:51:35] <tqh> hehe

[21:52:10] <egon> Im going to go for some Quake3-BeOS madness in a while.

[21:52:43] <helf> i never got a copy of q3 that ran in beos :/

[21:52:58] * mmadia is getting ready to cuss and pound on his keyboard in a pitiful attempt at programming

[21:53:02] <pyCube> any vi/vim freaks here?

[21:53:54] <egon> helf just use the one from the quake3 cd, install it in windows and add the quake3 binary from haikuware.

[21:54:04] <HeTo> pyCube: depends

[21:54:53] <pyCube> HeTo: just looking for some "oh man, you gotta use plugin  ___" or "here's a handy tip..." type stuff

[21:55:40] <egon> i am a noob so i prefer nano.

[21:55:57] <judgen> good morning yall!

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[21:57:13] <judgen> i ment good night =P

[21:57:17] <judgen> im going to bed.

[21:57:24] <ddew|bofh> pussy :P

[21:57:26] <judgen> cya later

[21:57:32] <helf> :P

[21:57:32] <ddew|bofh> the night time is the right time ;)

[21:57:35] <mmadia> yes please.

[21:57:41] <JonathanThompson> For being awake!

[21:57:51] <Rakhun> pyCube: I might be considered a vim freak.. what's up?

[21:58:00] <ddew|bofh> day-time is full of distractions

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[21:58:14] * JonathanThompson labels ddew|bofh a current distraction

[21:58:18] <mmadia> yeah, that sun thing keeps bugging me.

[21:59:27] <ddew|bofh> the sun, people running around outside etc

[21:59:28] * JonathanThompson shoots out the sun

[21:59:41] <ddew|bofh> damn people, can't they be quiet when i need them to be :P

[22:00:00] <pyCube> i like when the sun causes plants to grow and yield fruit

[22:00:36] <pyCube> Rakhun: like i said.. just wondered if people had any "must have/know" tips

[22:00:52] <ddew|bofh> the basic shortcuts are handy to now

[22:00:54] <ddew|bofh> *know

[22:00:59] <ddew|bofh> like yank and put

[22:01:02] <pyCube> of course

[22:01:11] <ddew|bofh> and basic regexping

[22:02:11] <helf> ah, damn

[22:02:16] <helf> I just got my ass handed to me

[22:02:16] <ddew|bofh> the :help pages are very handy, pretty much everything one needs to know about vim

[22:02:17] <HeTo> :sy enable is handy if you like that sort of thing, also having a look at :he 'formatoptions' might be useful

[22:02:20] * JonathanThompson yanks ddew|bofh out of the channel and puts him back in place

[22:02:22] <helf> playing a solitaire zombie card game :P

[22:02:44] <JonathanThompson> Are you walking around with your arms straight ahead of you, mindlessly walking into walls?

[22:03:02] <Rakhun> pyCube: ah, not really. I think it works nicely to start out using it as any other editor, just type a to enter instert mode as soon as you start it. and then learning more progressively

[22:03:13] <helf> heh

[22:03:45] <ddew|bofh> heh, fun. my aspire got two different battery meters showing different values

[22:04:19] <helf> one is showing you battery life under windows and the other is showing you how worse off you'd be running a linux distro

[22:04:20] <helf> ;)

[22:04:37] <ddew|bofh> heh, one could think that

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[22:05:04] <ddew|bofh> which is kinda surprising seeing how much of the hardware is turned off in linux

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[22:06:25] <pyCube> \quit

[22:06:28] <pyCube> ac

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[22:07:07] <pyCube> heh

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[22:13:55] <ddew|bofh> gah, acer are bitches

[22:15:12] <ddew|bofh> got 512MB ram soldered on the aspire one mobo running at 533mhz which means i can't add a stick of ram i have that runs at 800mhz

[22:15:58] <ddew|bofh> in normal machines it clocks down without issues but they've got some auto-sensing or something that sees that it's 800mhz and refuses to accept it

[22:16:13] <ddew|bofh> i hate hw manufacturers

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[22:17:44] <prOSy> hi

[22:17:50] <ddew|bofh> lo

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[22:24:50] <AlienSoldier> i don't get why the center netbook around battery lasting.  I would prefer to have a highend one without any batterie and keeping the same form factor

[22:24:54] <AlienSoldier> *they

[22:26:26] <HeTo> AlienSoldier: 6h of lectures/day, not necessarily all of them next to an electrical outlet

[22:27:23] <ddew|bofh> i can get 4 hours of battery time in linux and 6+ in windows. that's more than enough for my usage

[22:27:45] <ddew|bofh> if i want more i might as well use my macbook

[22:27:51] <AlienSoldier> i know, but many just want a portable computer, not a mobile one.  I can't see why batterie can't be sold separatly

[22:28:29] <AlienSoldier> i miss the 90's with only customisable pc in all store

[22:28:41] <ddew|bofh> well you don't have to use the batteries if you don't want to :)

[22:29:18] <AlienSoldier> no, but i have to buy them

[22:29:27] <HeTo> well there's Mac mini

[22:29:37] <ddew|bofh> it's such a small part of the price that it really doesn't matter much

[22:29:44] <AlienSoldier> especially that i still don't trust those lithium cells

[22:30:34] <AlienSoldier> i doupt it's less than 30$, 10% of a 300$ pc

[22:30:48] <AlienSoldier> add crazy canadian tax to that

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[22:31:14] <ddew|bofh> still, 300$ for a very portable computer is no big price

[22:31:47] <ddew|bofh> if it had been that batteries account for a majority of the price i could understand your concern

[22:31:50] <AlienSoldier> wow, bayonetta look more like devil may cry than i tought http://www.gametrailers.com/download/41158/t_bayonetta_tgs08_directf.mp4

[22:34:34] <AlienSoldier> it's not a big concern, just a little wish, i'm happy already that those small laptop sell for a good price compared to samsung Q30 not so long ago and it's 1700$

[22:35:51] <ddew|bofh> i'm pretty floored that i can get a machine that handles a large part of my computing usage for less than 500$ :)

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[22:38:05] <ddew|bofh> not only is it cheap, it runs a full os too. not just some embedded solution

[22:38:42] <Chowder> anyone here ever heard of Inferno OS?

[22:38:48] <ddew|bofh> i have

[22:38:57] <AlienSoldier> i wonder what will increase those need.  It's not going to be HD video.  Perhaps RT computer imagrie in real time

[22:39:05] <AlienSoldier> *imagerie

[22:39:21] <AlienSoldier> inferno, the plan 9 "fork"?

[22:39:46] <Chowder> yea

[22:39:54] <ddew|bofh> for me the full os is an advantage for compatibility reasons, i can run the apps i run on my workstation

[22:40:11] <Chowder> it can run under Linux, Unix, Windows, Plan9, and Mac

[22:40:37] <Chowder> AlienSoldier, someone said that I should use it but what's the point if I'm not running a server or anything?

[22:40:38] <ddew|bofh> is that still in development?

[22:41:37] <AlienSoldier> Chowder the only feature i lked about it would be unusable if hosted i think, it's being able to run any hardware over the network, including video and sound

[22:42:05] <AlienSoldier> as all card are treated like a file, all is file

[22:42:14] <Chowder> that's an interesting feature

[22:42:48] <Chowder> so a network could be using the ethernet card from one main comp?

[22:43:09] <pyCube> um

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[22:43:37] <pyCube> how does a computer without a nic use a nic on a computer on the network that it cant be a part of because of its lack of nic?

[22:43:57] <Chowder> pyCube, you just lost me

[22:44:01] <Chowder> lol

[22:44:46] <pyCube> that is, a real nic seems kind required if you want to use hw on other computers on the network

[22:44:47] <mmadia> chowder i think aliensoldier meant that computer A can run a media program and have the sound come out of computer B's sound card.

[22:45:01] <geist> unpossible!

[22:45:08] <geist> an abomination

[22:45:17] <geist> and offense to God

[22:45:33] <geist> begone such evil thoughts!

[22:45:33] <Chowder> mmadia, thanks for the clarification

[22:46:05] <Chowder> but what would be the point of doing that?

[22:46:31] <mmadia> don't care ; )

[22:46:54] <geist> anyway, audio can be done, video is a little tougher

[22:47:20] <Chowder> hmmm

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[22:49:24] <AlienSoldier> Chowder the point is that virus coding on plan 9 must be really fun :)

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[22:49:53] <Chowder> I see a domino effect

[22:50:01] <Chowder> if one were to code a virus for it

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[22:51:42] <Chowder> i don't nearly have enough programming experience to make a virus

[22:51:47] <Chowder> or anything useful

[22:51:52] <Chowder> I can only script in BASH

[22:52:56] <AlienSoldier> well a disk format command in a script sure can piss me off :P

[22:53:38] <mmadia> any experience any issues when using a transparent png as haiku's background image?

[22:53:59] <Chowder> something like dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda1

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[22:55:42] <Chowder> or to zerofill, which I've done to an external HDD it'd be dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb1

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[22:57:18] <Chowder> hello DeadYak

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[22:59:39] <AlienSoldier> with the credit crisis, i wonder how much left of that microsoft "cash" reserve is left

[23:00:16] <Chowder> pffft, Bill Gates probably has loads of cash in some foreign country like andorra

[23:01:33] <AlienSoldier> you men cash as in a safe?

[23:01:38] <AlienSoldier> *mean

[23:01:55] <Chowder> well, andorra is a tax haven

[23:01:58] <AlienSoldier> i doupt it's all in gav deposit

[23:02:07] <AlienSoldier> *gov

[23:02:10] <Rakhun> they probably have nothing to worry about, last I heard bill gates was scamming people in china

[23:02:25] <Chowder> so Gates can keep a large sum in a bank without having to worry about income tax

[23:02:27] <ThomasShirley> China? Don't you mean people all over the world? ;)

[23:02:42] <Chowder> Rakhun, where did you hear this?

[23:02:51] <Chowder> details! I want them!

[23:03:02] <AlienSoldier> because as it's going right now, i could see motorola chapter 11 next week

[23:03:06] <Rakhun> that too of course, but even more in china, in relation to the olympics I suppose

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[23:03:18] <AlienSoldier> lot of familiar name will fold

[23:03:37] <Rakhun> Chowder: I don't remember, might have been something linked to on fsdaily

[23:04:49] <Chowder> hmm

[23:04:50] <AlienSoldier> if bank own companies, and if those get owned by the american gov, it will be more comunist than it ever was in USSR

[23:04:57] <Chowder> I will Google hard and post results

[23:05:33] <Chowder> AlienSoldier, corporations are already the ones in charge

[23:06:59] <AlienSoldier> secret soceity are, but those that populate them now are not as bright as those that started it.

[23:07:54] <Chowder> well yea, George Bush and Benjamin Franklin can't really match wits

[23:07:55] <Chowder> lmao

[23:07:59] <AlienSoldier> finland was on the edge of bankrupcy yesterday

[23:08:47] <AlienSoldier> true, posing with a F14 look lot more cooler than with a kite :P

[23:08:50] <Chowder> aren't they part of the EU?

[23:09:31] <AlienSoldier> no idea, but seem that the small population and hi leverage put them to risk

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[23:09:42] <HeTo> what? Iceland's the country that's going bankrupt

[23:09:50] <judgen> couldnt sleap

[23:10:04] <judgen> HeTo yes, all banks has allready gone down

[23:10:22] <Chowder> I'm just glad I chose a field of study that's always in demand

[23:10:31] <judgen> they had invested heavily in forreign real estate i guess.

[23:10:56] <AlienSoldier> the french are protected from bancrupcy because they hide themself in the biggest burocracy ever, nobody will notice money is missing before centuries

[23:11:14] <judgen> Good god im glad sweden liquidated the bad assets during our financial bank crisis of the 90s

[23:11:26] <AlienSoldier> HeTo sorry, you right, what about a typo :)

[23:11:28] <judgen> no chance of that happening again with the current regulations here

[23:11:34] <helf> judgen, lucky

[23:11:53] <helf> America has been running off bad assets for years now :P

[23:11:58] <helf> poor iceland

[23:12:03] <judgen> helf but it was a rough couple of years with high unemployment and high taxation

[23:12:07] <helf> this whole meltdown caught them by surprise

[23:12:32] <judgen> btw anyone using im_kit right now.

[23:12:39] <helf> i was..

[23:12:46] <mmadia> i could fire it up.

[23:12:53] <helf> i trying to get a dual p2 machine going so i can reinstall beos

[23:12:58] <judgen> it just tells me that i cant get a ticket from msn

[23:13:01] <helf> having memory issues with it...

[23:13:31] <mmadia> same error here judgen.

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[23:14:12] <judgen> i tried updating the protocol to the newer one found on bebits (the one on beware is from aug 2005 and the one on bebits is from feb 2006 ver 621

[23:14:22] <judgen> that usually works. but not today

[23:14:39] <judgen> i men haikuware

[23:14:48] <judgen> mmadia darnit

[23:15:07] <mmadia> imkit for beos+zeta stopped somewhere around rev. 690

[23:15:20] <mmadia> i'm running 682.

[23:15:58] <helf> i was running some beta version i found on the im_kit file directory

[23:18:49] <helf> rev617

[23:18:54] <pyCube> heh.. speaking of IM.. i just started playing with finch

[23:19:04] <pyCube> the curses version of pidgin

[23:19:15] <helf> ncurses, isnt it?

[23:19:21] <pyCube> uh.. yeah

[23:19:25] <helf> is it any good?

[23:19:29] <pyCube> sure

[23:19:35] <pyCube> it does what its supposed to do

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[23:19:54] <PulkoMandy> +++

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[23:20:40] <helf> wait, didnt you compile a relatively new version of im_kit for me, mmadia?

[23:20:46] <helf> i think i had it on a floppy somewhere

[23:21:05] <mmadia> pretty sure,   but i doubt it's MSN will work

[23:21:16] <helf> I never use MSN, so that isn't a biggy :)

[23:21:19] <mmadia> as it'd still be around rev690

[23:22:12] <HeTo> relatively new, floppy?

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[23:22:37] <HeTo> I suppose only helf can say something like that :-)

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[23:23:40] <helf> well, I didn't have any CD-Rs on hand and I had forgotten my USB key...

[23:24:05] <Chowder> I wanna get a flash drive and keep Haiku on it

[23:24:15] <HeTo> erm, there's still network

[23:24:37] <Chowder> yea, I just wanna have a few flash drives. One for Haiku, the other for backtrack 3

[23:25:26] <helf> heto : received files at work. beos machine was at home with no net connection :)

[23:25:39] <helf> which i know kinda defeats the purpose of an IM client...

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[23:37:56] <mmu_man> umccullough can you add it then ?

[23:38:18] <DeadYak> add what?

[23:40:24] <judgen> btw anyone got gobe productive.. ive lost my cd

[23:40:34] <ddew|bofh> heh, the music indistry has really gone downhill. you know it's bad when a song written by a homocidal psychopath is better than most of the junk that hits the charts

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[23:42:38] <ddew|bofh> got a surprisingly nice voice and a pretty catchy vocal line

[23:42:50] <helf> what?

[23:43:01] <ddew|bofh> the song "Look at your game girl"

[23:43:12] <ddew|bofh> not the guns n' roses cover but the original

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[23:48:58] <judgen> noone? oh well

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[23:52:30] <judgen> How many going to BG?

[23:52:42] <Chowder> has Haiku reached 1.0? or is it like 0.3 or something?

[23:52:54] <mmu_man> +1 for me

[23:53:10] <mmu_man> Chowder we are planning R1/alpha

[23:53:32] <oco> +4 for me

[23:53:32] <ddew|bofh> which should be an unusually stable alpha imo

[23:53:40] <judgen> yup

[23:53:44] <Chowder> interesting

[23:53:48] <ddew|bofh> haiku is behaving really well here

[23:53:52] <Chowder> how big is the footprint thus far?

[23:54:07] <ddew|bofh> about 100 megs

[23:54:13] <Chowder> not bad

[23:56:05] <Chowder> brb

[23:56:10] * Chowder is away: afk

[23:59:57] <helf> At the rate it is going, Haiku stability-wise at R1 will be like Linux at 2.6 :P
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