October 8, 2008 
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October 8, 2008 [00:00:55] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[00:01:01] <miqlas> Hello![00:01:23] <miqlas> Any news, Guys?[00:01:33] <miqlas> New post: http://urnenfeld.blogspot.com/2008/10/l2cap-signaling-1-way.html[00:06:35] <CIA-21> julun * r27916 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/HaikuImage: * fix build[00:06:49] *** tarma has joined #haiku[00:14:20] <miqlas> How can i download the Welcome Package?[00:14:24] *** oco has joined #haiku[00:14:28] <miqlas> only with svn?[00:15:01] <geist> dunno[00:15:16] <miqlas> :([00:15:26] <miqlas> There is a defragmenter app for BeFS?[00:15:31] *** wildur has quit IRC[00:16:19] *** xspager has joined #haiku[00:16:49] <geist> dont think so, but it doesn't usually get fragmented that badly[00:19:10] *** xspager_ has joined #haiku[00:19:40] *** xspager_ has quit IRC[00:19:43] *** xspager has quit IRC[00:19:59] *** Exterios has quit IRC[00:20:38] *** xspager has joined #haiku[00:20:41] <miqlas> Because i have an screensaver, that can efragment my disks. I think this is a good idea, and if the fragmentation is a real problem for BFS it will useful.[00:21:35] <CIA-21> mmu_man * r27917 /haiku/trunk/docs/welcome/ (10 files):[00:21:35] <CIA-21> Fix display in NetSurf which doesn't notice the <body> parameters. visited link color isn't handled yet though.[00:21:35] <CIA-21> Fixed a typo.[00:22:33] <pulkomandy_> +++[00:22:40] *** pulkomandy_ has quit IRC[00:24:29] *** quinq has quit IRC[00:27:25] <Duggan> I'm gonna go ahead and ask again for shits n giggles....[00:27:46] <Duggan> anybody know of any rtl8101e drivers for haiku?[00:28:00] <Duggan> just out of curiosity because I havent found any yet (which probably means they dont exist)[00:28:10] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[00:29:22] <miqlas> Duggan what is the Device ID?[00:31:06] <Duggan> I knew once how to find that in windows....[00:31:44] <Duggan> can you refresh my memory?[00:31:51] <miqlas> I scanned the sources, and i found it this device in the sources.[00:32:08] <Duggan> rtl8101e?[00:32:16] <miqlas> Control Panel->System->[00:32:23] <miqlas> Hardware[00:32:28] <CIA-21> mmu_man * r27918 /haiku/trunk/docs/welcome/workshop-filetypes+attributes.html: Make the workshop page look the same as others.[00:32:32] <miqlas> Devices[00:33:06] <Duggan> I'm at the devices properties but I dont remember where the id was located[00:33:09] <miqlas> Open Your NIC's informations[00:33:27] <miqlas> I have Hungarian WinXP :)[00:34:20] <miqlas> I have "General", Special, Driver, Energy, Resources, and the LAST tab, that You need.[00:34:29] <miqlas> Here You can found the device id.[00:35:02] <miqlas> PCI\VEN_10B7&DEV_9055.....bla-bla <- my nic[00:37:25] <Duggan> ok it was listed as "matching device id" for some reason, hope it works....[00:37:25] <Duggan> pci\ven_10ec&dev_8136[00:38:49] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[00:39:11] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[00:39:24] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[00:39:53] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[00:40:43] <CIA-21> mmu_man * r27919 /haiku/trunk/docs/welcome/bugreports.html: Make bugreport page look like others.[00:41:01] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[00:41:05] *** xspager has quit IRC[00:41:57] *** MegafEee is now known as Megaf|Away[00:42:04] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[00:44:24] <Duggan> I see there's somebody out there that was at least recently working on a driver for the rtl8101e card....[00:47:41] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[00:48:09] *** Stefan100 has quit IRC[00:48:42] <DeadYak> geist: what does flush_tmap() do?[00:52:25] <mmu_man> it makes sure the cpu TLBs don't contain invalid descriptors[00:52:40] <DeadYak> ah[00:53:04] <DeadYak> by flushing the entire TLB or.. ?[00:53:44] <Duggan> somebody was working on an rtl8101e driver in early september but nothing since?...[00:53:59] <DeadYak> ...it's in the tree.[00:54:15] <Duggan> er[00:55:14] <DeadYak> as of r27887 or so[00:55:15] *** bwilliams__ has joined #haiku[00:55:18] *** bryguy[lap] has quit IRC[00:55:26] <Duggan> alright, thanx[00:55:30] <DeadYak> np.[00:56:53] <miqlas> Duggan, i'm not developer but it looks supported device. It not works for You?[00:57:09] <miqlas> I have realtek 8139d and 3com950tx NIC.[00:57:21] <miqlas> But iuse only the 3com , it works coorectly.[00:57:22] <DeadYak> miqlas: 8101 is a different chipset[00:57:43] <miqlas> If You have problem with the Realtek, buy a cheap 3com nic.[00:57:45] <DeadYak> it's similar but not identical to ann 8169[00:58:03] <miqlas> DeadYak, thanks.[00:58:15] <Duggan> I think my current install is slightly before that date so I just got the new image and will install shortly[00:58:27] <Duggan> miqlas, hard to do with a laptop[00:58:33] <Duggan> ideally I'd use wireless[00:58:52] <Duggan> but seeing as its not supported, that is somewhat difficult as well[01:00:22] <Duggan> off to restart, install, and try it out.... wish me luck[01:00:32] <Duggan> l8r all[01:00:36] *** Duggan has quit IRC[01:02:04] <miqlas> I have 8 hour to morning, and i need draw an A1 size sketch. :([01:02:33] <miqlas> I hate the handdraw. Why i can't use CAD for it? Blah, stupid teachers.[01:08:40] *** mat_geek has joined #haiku[01:09:19] *** adb has quit IRC[01:14:11] *** Rakhun|away has joined #haiku[01:14:38] *** Rakhun|away has joined #haiku[01:14:52] *** Rakhun|away has quit IRC[01:15:22] *** Rakhun|away has joined #haiku[01:22:26] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[01:33:00] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[01:36:29] *** tarma has quit IRC[01:37:27] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[01:52:04] <mmu_man> someone remind me of adding JDLL on 18 oct on the conferences page[01:52:50] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[01:52:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[01:55:00] *** oco has quit IRC[02:03:43] <AlienSoldier> jdll?[02:04:31] *** joe_electrician has joined #haiku[02:05:58] *** joe_electrician has quit IRC[02:08:45] <mmu_man> http://jdll.org/[02:13:03] *** aldeck has quit IRC[02:14:22] *** Negr0 has quit IRC[02:18:25] *** adb has joined #haiku[02:20:08] <AlienSoldier> seem they will film the event[02:49:49] *** Dane_ has quit IRC[02:49:53] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[02:51:34] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[02:51:38] <pyCube> woot[02:51:42] <pyCube> ..or whatever[02:55:00] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[03:01:01] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[03:01:20] <Duggan> greetings all[03:05:08] <pyCube> so hows stuff?[03:09:28] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[03:22:46] *** Duggan has quit IRC[03:30:00] *** adb has quit IRC[03:52:01] *** Chowder has joined #Haiku[04:09:28] *** mmadia has quit IRC[04:09:42] <pyCube> quit[04:09:44] <pyCube> um[04:09:46] *** pyCube has quit IRC[04:28:23] *** sdeken has joined #haiku[04:28:26] <Chowder> Freenode is dead[04:28:43] <sdeken> netcraft confirms it[04:31:51] <sdeken> So, in the interface kit, there's this TODO:[04:31:59] <sdeken> // TODO: make more elaborate (figure out this window's[04:31:59] <sdeken> // tab height and border width... maybe ask app_server)[04:32:48] <Chowder> where would Haiku be when it reaches Revision 30000[04:32:50] <sdeken> What's the easiest way to do that? I have a patch that makes the tab stick to the top of the screen, but I'm using a hard-coded tab and border size.[04:34:18] <Chowder> leo@satori:~/Haiku/trunk$ sudo svn up[04:34:18] <Chowder> Updated to revision 3000. Now delete your Linux partition, the developers demand it.[04:38:12] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[04:47:48] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[04:56:25] <umccullough> http://www.flickr.com/photos/umccullough/2923625710/[05:04:32] <AlienSoldier> number of video become a bit like the number of stars,a bit pointless. That "demo" now need to be made from HD video to get something more close to something the mind can process[05:18:25] <umccullough> :)[05:20:43] <umccullough> actually, somewhere between 25 and 30 videos, haiku came to a screeching halt for me...[05:20:52] <umccullough> i'm gonna test with a newer rev[05:22:02] <umccullough> also that was prior to the APIC timer fix[05:22:39] <umccullough> and for comparison, my P4 2.8ghz machine can only play ~4 videos before having problems[05:23:23] <umccullough> so, it's still a meaningful benchmark here[05:29:04] <AlienSoldier> made the same test with media player?[05:32:28] <umccullough> media player just crashes on most everything[05:32:34] <umccullough> at least, last i tried[05:33:18] <umccullough> i haven't tried since dlmcpaul updated the codecs[05:34:31] <umccullough> apparently that was rev 26927[05:41:24] <AlienSoldier> those kind of test would be nice to have in script to do nice demo. Each time i see filmed demo, the presenter get all stress out because he lack time and miss many point.[05:42:13] <AlienSoldier> it could also serve as a benchmark, at least tested on same hardware[05:42:17] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[05:51:32] *** sdeken has quit IRC[05:53:50] *** sdeken has joined #haiku[06:00:26] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[06:01:16] *** Rakhun|away has quit IRC[06:01:40] *** Rakhun|away has joined #haiku[06:01:57] *** Rakhun|away has quit IRC[06:02:07] *** thotypous has quit IRC[06:02:19] *** Rakhun|away has joined #haiku[06:02:33] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[06:02:49] <Duggan> greetings all[06:11:32] <Chowder> greetings and slautations[06:13:29] <ormandj> yo yo yo yo, wuzzup homie g skillet?[06:14:04] <Chowder> skillet?[06:14:15] <Chowder> MAKE MY BREAKFAST[06:17:00] <Monni> lol...[06:17:06] *** Rakhun|gone has joined #haiku[06:18:53] *** Rakhun|gone is now known as Rakhun[06:24:25] *** bryguy[lap] has joined #haiku[06:26:31] *** bwilliams__ has quit IRC[06:27:06] * ormandj isn't a woman, Chowder...[06:27:11] * ormandj runs ;)[06:28:11] *** Rakhun|away has quit IRC[06:42:12] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[06:46:02] *** [1]umccullough has joined #haiku[06:46:03] *** umccullough has quit IRC[06:50:32] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[06:54:21] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[06:56:34] *** [1]umccullough is now known as umccullough[07:04:12] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[07:10:23] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[07:30:32] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[07:32:20] <Begasus> moin[07:48:03] *** umccullough_lap has joined #haiku[07:49:51] * JonathanThompson word sequence disorder DHowett at lobs[07:50:12] <DHowett> Difficule understand is the are you am[07:50:23] <DHowett> as well Difficult[07:50:23] <DHowett> :P[07:50:45] *** prOSy has joined #haiku[07:50:50] <prOSy> hi[07:58:33] *** Duggan has quit IRC[08:00:11] <Begasus> prOSy, ! ;)[08:00:23] <prOSy> HIYA! Begasus[08:00:25] <prOSy> :)[08:00:35] <Begasus> long time no see .. how's it been there?[08:01:17] <prOSy> heh, sometimes it fells like my new job wants to kill my brain, but it is getting better every day[08:01:30] <prOSy> preparing for BG019 ...[08:01:36] <Begasus> old age stepping in? :P[08:01:54] <prOSy> old age, well said :D[08:01:55] <Begasus> ah ... if things go as planned it could be that I will be there on Saterday[08:02:11] <Begasus> provided nothing comes up ...[08:02:12] <prOSy> that would be nice[08:02:29] <Begasus> yeah .. been looking forward to it for some time ... it has been to long ;)[08:03:10] <prOSy> :) seems that there will by probably one ore more historical moments afaik[08:05:01] <Begasus> that also ;)[08:07:08] *** umccullough_lap has quit IRC[08:08:49] <DHowett> I am immensely aware that the last digit of Pi is a laser.[08:09:08] <JonathanThompson> How could you be so sure? That's an irrational response![08:09:23] <DHowett> ;)[08:17:36] <prOSy> he's with the dark (or math?) side of the force... ;[08:17:42] <prOSy> ;)[08:30:30] <JonathanThompson> That's an odd question, prOSy ![08:31:25] <JonathanThompson> "Sliding Ruler Number 9, sliding down the Number Line, if the Ruler goes off its track, do you want your money back?"[08:32:46] * JonathanThompson doesn't expect many to grasp the straw that sucks the reference from the past into something that's in the present and will likely have a short future back in the past from where it presents itself[08:50:39] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[08:57:11] *** Euver has joined #haiku[09:07:25] *** cyrann has joined #haiku[09:08:02] *** Euver has quit IRC[09:10:35] <prOSy> bye[09:10:36] *** prOSy has quit IRC[09:25:06] *** DHowett has left #haiku[09:25:12] *** stargater has joined #haiku[09:25:15] *** AndrevS has quit IRC[09:25:38] <stargater> hi[09:26:35] *** Chowder has quit IRC[09:32:38] *** Megaf|Away has quit IRC[09:41:42] <stargater> cu[09:41:46] *** stargater has quit IRC[09:45:45] <CIA-21> axeld * r27920 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ (ServerWindow.cpp ServerWindow.h Window.cpp):[09:45:45] <CIA-21> * The ServerWindow now memorizes the original BDirectWindow feel when switching[09:45:45] <CIA-21> to full screen. Since BDirectWindows can have any feel, this does now[09:45:45] <CIA-21> correctly restore it instead of always reverting to B_NORMAL_WINDOW_FEEL.[09:45:45] <CIA-21> * This fixes part of bug #2808.[09:45:45] <CIA-21> * Minor cleanup.[09:57:57] <CIA-21> axeld * r27921 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/screen_blanker/ (PasswordWindow.cpp ScreenSaverWindow.cpp): (log message trimmed)[09:57:57] <CIA-21> * Made the screen saver window as well as the password window kWindowScreenFeel.[09:57:58] <CIA-21> * This makes them highest in the window order, so that floating all windows[09:57:58] <CIA-21> like the Deskbar cannot compromise the password protection anymore.[09:57:58] <CIA-21> This fixes #2808.[09:58:01] <CIA-21> * Note, the password window should also block uses of Alt-Tab, even though this[09:58:03] <CIA-21> is usually harmless (as only other windows with kWindowScreenFeel can be[10:03:16] *** Euver has joined #haiku[10:06:29] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[10:12:18] *** bryguy[lap] has quit IRC[10:12:45] *** bryguy[lap] has joined #haiku[10:28:28] *** [1]umccullough has joined #haiku[10:28:49] *** [Katisu]_laptop has joined #haiku[10:34:37] *** quinq has joined #haiku[10:42:33] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[10:42:33] *** [Katisu]_laptop is now known as [Katisu][10:44:24] *** umccullough has quit IRC[11:04:29] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[11:04:45] <DHowett> Have to say I love when a program tells me "Error 0x0f: The memory exception has occurred."[11:05:01] <DHowett> There is but one. We call him (*flashy lights*) THE MEMORY EXCEPTION.[11:05:21] <surrounder> hahaha[11:06:57] <DHowett> Probably because i have WINE set to "Windows ME". It emulates all the bugs nicely ;)[11:13:25] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[11:13:25] *** paul0 has quit IRC[11:13:26] *** ormandj has quit IRC[11:13:26] *** Vampyre has quit IRC[11:13:32] *** cnuke has quit IRC[11:13:32] *** NeonLicht has quit IRC[11:13:32] *** BuildFactory has quit IRC[11:13:32] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[11:14:17] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[11:14:17] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[11:14:17] *** cnuke has joined #haiku[11:14:17] *** Vampyre has joined #haiku[11:14:17] *** NeonLicht has joined #haiku[11:14:17] *** ormandj has joined #haiku[11:14:17] *** BuildFactory has joined #haiku[11:15:25] *** [Katisu]_laptop has joined #haiku[11:15:57] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[11:16:03] *** [Katisu]_laptop is now known as [Katisu][11:16:41] *** cnuke has quit IRC[11:16:44] *** cnuke has joined #haiku[11:33:06] *** DHowett has left #haiku[11:41:12] *** johndrinkwater has quit IRC[11:59:21] *** Begasus has quit IRC[12:08:42] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[12:15:55] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[12:19:04] <judgen> heh[12:21:05] <Monni> klus[12:22:54] <Begasus> plop[12:27:36] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[12:31:38] *** Exterios has joined #haiku[12:52:07] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[13:00:33] *** tolimanB has joined #haiku[13:04:26] *** aldeck has joined #Haiku[13:07:40] *** johndrinkwater has joined #haiku[13:15:10] *** tolimanB_ has quit IRC[13:20:39] *** stoc has joined #haiku[13:21:38] *** geist has quit IRC[13:24:23] *** Begasus has quit IRC[13:27:21] *** geist has joined #haiku[13:27:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o geist[13:28:01] *** Euver has quit IRC[13:34:40] *** sdeken has quit IRC[13:37:25] *** stef_ is now known as stef[13:41:18] *** Exterios_ has joined #haiku[13:41:19] *** Exterios has quit IRC[13:55:36] *** quinq has quit IRC[13:56:41] *** quinq has joined #haiku[13:59:37] *** baaina has joined #haiku[14:06:47] *** quinq has quit IRC[14:07:21] *** quinq has joined #haiku[14:13:02] *** naaina has quit IRC[14:23:55] *** aldeck has quit IRC[14:29:49] *** markos__ has joined #haiku[14:30:33] *** markos_ has quit IRC[14:31:02] *** markos__ is now known as markos_[14:41:24] <helf> hm[14:41:28] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[14:41:32] <helf> looks like i left work early yesterday by accident[14:42:02] <Teknomancer> helf: is that a problem? whats the point in staying at work when there's no work :)[14:42:05] <Teknomancer> hi btw[14:43:16] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[14:43:19] <helf> they are kinda anal about time clocks ;)[14:43:24] <helf> and, morning :P[14:43:43] <helf> plus im not salary[14:43:54] <helf> so if i leave early, i short myself :)[14:44:09] <Teknomancer> well if there's no work, its usually better to go waste time somewhere else[14:44:11] <Teknomancer> ;)[14:44:22] <helf> true :)[14:44:31] <Teknomancer> i dont understand the 'put this many hours in, even if you have nothing to do' :)[14:44:54] <helf> i have to, otherwise i make no money[14:45:02] <helf> so even days the IT has /nothing/ to do, we come in[14:45:05] <helf> i just play games[14:45:18] <Teknomancer> helf: games is good[14:45:19] <Teknomancer> :)[14:45:29] <helf> hmm, looks like iceland will be the first country scale bankruptsy[14:45:37] <helf> *bankruptcy[14:45:49] <Teknomancer> how many people there? 500? :P[14:45:51] <Teknomancer> its too cold[14:45:56] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[14:45:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[14:46:05] <Teknomancer> "ice" land.. brrrrrrr[14:47:20] <helf> 320k[14:47:22] <helf> To try to wrest control of the spiraling situation, the government also loaned $680 million to Kaupthing to tide it over and said it was negotiating a $5.4 billion loan from Russia to shore up the nation's finances.[14:47:26] <helf> from /russia/[14:47:29] <helf> they must be desparate[14:47:54] <helf> *desperate[14:49:40] <Teknomancer> things go bad when they dont have money :) not just food, but they need more for heating etc.[14:49:55] <Teknomancer> sad[14:51:16] <helf> and overnight, the british side had to loan like 90 billion to their 8 largest banks and is making 400 billion more available in short term loans[14:51:21] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[14:51:36] <helf> This global financial meltdown is fun to watch[14:53:31] <helf> I sure someone is making gobs of money off this meltdown, somehow :P[14:59:04] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[14:59:38] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[15:04:18] <CIA-21> mmu_man * r27922 /haiku/trunk/docs/welcome/welcome.html: Add OsDrawer to the list of 3rd party sites.[15:06:39] *** paul0 has quit IRC[15:07:11] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[15:12:25] *** baaina is now known as naaina[15:18:22] *** leszek has joined #haiku[15:18:38] <leszek> hi[15:18:49] <helf> hey leszek[15:28:15] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[15:29:15] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[15:38:06] *** adb has joined #haiku[15:38:41] <CIA-21> mmu_man * r27923 /haiku/trunk/docs/welcome/ (welcome.css welcome.html): Add a CSS and use it from the first page.[15:39:37] <naaina> http://www.milbestlight.com/swf/game/game1.swf[15:44:41] <mmu_man> flash sux[15:45:32] <naaina> it's so simple that it also should work with gnash[15:45:34] <naaina> :)[15:49:09] <CIA-21> mmu_man * r27924 /haiku/trunk/docs/welcome/welcome.html: Add comment on haikuports and osdrawer[15:52:07] <mmu_man> I don't have the port installed[15:52:15] <mmu_man> and flash sux still :p[15:53:15] *** Stefan100 has joined #haiku[15:55:57] *** judgen has quit IRC[16:05:03] <CIA-21> bonefish * r27925 /haiku/trunk/src/system/libroot/posix/malloc/arch-specific.cpp:[16:05:03] <CIA-21> Increase the heap size in 64 KB steps. Was 4 KB before, which was a bit[16:05:03] <CIA-21> slow for short-running, heap-intensive programs.[16:06:19] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[16:06:36] <CIA-21> bonefish * r27926 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/debug/profile/profile.cpp:[16:06:36] <CIA-21> Right check, wrong place. The "-C" option (don't profile child teams)[16:06:36] <CIA-21> was broken.[16:10:37] *** mib_42kbk2 has joined #haiku[16:12:24] *** mib_42kbk2 has quit IRC[16:13:50] *** Duggan has quit IRC[16:19:01] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[16:23:05] <mmu_man> hmm does FF use its own double buffering ?[16:24:25] <DeadYak> probably[16:24:46] <mmu_man> actually I do'nt find NS to render that much slower than FF[16:24:50] <mmu_man> once the page is loaded[16:27:34] <mmu_man> axel finds it slower...[16:28:51] *** leszek has quit IRC[16:29:26] <adb> dillo is faster , but missing somethings _ don't ask me that _[16:31:40] <mmu_man> links too :p[16:36:57] <adb> here NS has problems to view this page : can't "see" the contents of "Subiectul" colon Subiectul:http://www.linux.ro/forum/viewforum.php?forum=19&14052[16:42:36] *** digitalteufel has joined #haiku[16:48:55] <mmu_man> I'd say maybe their css is buggy :)[16:49:18] <mmu_man> pastes in #netsurf[16:49:22] <mmu_man> pasted[16:51:46] <adb> well, this page works well even in dillo[16:58:06] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:11:08] *** Exterios_ is now known as Exterios[17:18:25] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[17:19:13] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[17:19:26] * JonathanThompson bankrupts helf[17:19:45] <JonathanThompson> That should be easy: just present an overpriced NeXT box in front of you on eBay ;)[17:19:51] <Monni> lol[17:20:30] <JonathanThompson> (Women aren't helf's vice: he can turn those down without a second thought)[17:20:33] <DeadYak> JonathanThompson: more like ovepriced any piece of computer hardware older than about a decade and a half :P[17:21:24] <CIA-21> axeld * r27927 /haiku/trunk/ (7 files in 4 dirs):[17:21:24] <CIA-21> * Added the "Open Target Folder" Tracker add-on as published on BeBits[17:21:24] <CIA-21> to the repository and image.[17:26:46] *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC[17:28:18] *** _Lucretia_ has joined #haiku[17:29:32] <digitalteufel> Does Haiku have lspci or something similar?[17:30:10] *** adb has quit IRC[17:30:29] <DeadYak> believe it was 'listdev'[17:30:45] * JonathanThompson laughs that Britain plans to sue Iceland over deposits lost by Britons[17:31:19] *** aldeck has joined #Haiku[17:32:20] <Monni> Britain is home of bad comedies ;)[17:32:34] <helf> hey now[17:32:46] <helf> it has to be a cool piece of decade and a half old computer hardware[17:32:50] <JonathanThompson> Well, here's the big problem I see with Britain doing that, regardless of Iceland's intent to not worry about their deposits....[17:33:06] <JonathanThompson> People should have been depositing their funds in a home-owned and managed bank.[17:33:14] <helf> suing a country whose debt is almost 10xs what its GDP is, is kinda dumb[17:33:24] <JonathanThompson> I think perhaps Britain would have a better chance of just taking over Iceland ;)[17:33:28] <helf> hehe[17:33:37] <Monni> just like China could take over USA ;)[17:33:38] <helf> Iceland only has 330k people[17:33:51] <helf> I'd like to see China take over the USA[17:33:51] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[17:33:52] <JonathanThompson> Not *nearly* the same thing, Monni ....[17:34:00] <helf> There is no way in hell they could[17:34:13] <JonathanThompson> It'd be incredibly difficult for any foreign power to accomplish.[17:34:23] <JonathanThompson> They'd have to use nukes, which would be worse than pointless.[17:34:27] <helf> yeah[17:34:29] <DeadYak> helf: have you looked how much of the US's national debt belongs to chinese creditors lately? :)[17:34:41] <helf> DeadYak, I know. Doesn't mean they can take over :P[17:34:58] <JonathanThompson> They can own us without being able to take over ;)[17:34:58] <Monni> When USD drops beyond hope, it's just financial move, not tactical...[17:35:02] <DeadYak> well, maybe not via military :)[17:35:13] <helf> its pathetic[17:35:15] <JonathanThompson> Wait, I think they already do own us, mostly...[17:35:19] <helf> they do[17:35:24] <helf> because we are stupid[17:35:39] <helf> bbiab[17:35:41] <JonathanThompson> (On the countrywide scale, but not all individuals)[17:36:53] <JonathanThompson> I know! Microsoft could single-handedly rescue Iceland by moving all their world operations there ;)[17:37:07] <Monni> in few more years, Mandarin will be official language of United States ;)[17:37:09] <JonathanThompson> That'd more than double their GDP![17:37:25] <JonathanThompson> You're wrong there, Monni: it'll be Spanish![17:37:37] <Monni> Spanish isn't a language ;)[17:37:46] <JonathanThompson> Tell that to all those speaking it ;)[17:37:48] <DeadYak> um....yes it is?[17:38:02] <AlienSoldier> why learn mandarin when kungfu movies are in cantonese?[17:38:03] <Monni> Jonathan: I speak what they speak in Spain ;)[17:38:16] <DeadYak> castillano or catalan?[17:38:27] <JonathanThompson> So Americans don't speak "English" by the same definition....[17:38:41] <JonathanThompson> Keep in mind, there's many different variants of Spanish on this side of the world.[17:38:43] <Monni> DeadYak: More like the one that starts with G ;)[17:38:59] <DeadYak> Monni: in other words, you're on crack?[17:39:10] <Monni> drinking coffee only ;)[17:39:15] <JonathanThompson> Nothing new there, DeadYak ;)[17:39:38] * JonathanThompson takes away Monni's multipurpose Coffee-Bong hybrid[17:39:47] <DeadYak> Galician isn't spoken by a significant enough portion of Spain to be relevant anyways[17:40:21] <aldeck> evening :)[17:40:25] <Monni> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galician_language[17:40:43] <DeadYak> and the official language of Spain is still Castillano, like it or not[17:40:46] <DeadYak> so what's your point?[17:40:50] <DeadYak> hi aldeck :)[17:41:54] * JonathanThompson is logically thinking Monni's legal real middle name is 'PITA'[17:42:48] <Monni> My legal middle name is "Tapio" ;)[17:42:59] <JonathanThompson> Close enough![17:43:06] <DeadYak> Tapioca? :P[17:43:09] <AlienSoldier> with all that market turmoil, i feel someone thinking a nuclear war with Iran would solve lot of problem under the carped[17:43:32] * JonathanThompson hopes AlienSoldier doesn't sweep his problems under bony fish[17:44:16] <Monni> I guess my point is that no-one should call any entity with common name if it is more controversial than the official name...[17:44:38] <JonathanThompson> That's a very relative decision.[17:45:09] <JonathanThompson> Surely you don't insist people do surveys of all people to see what their views are in order to speak "correctly" ?[17:45:32] <Monni> proper name for the language is Castilian btw...[17:46:34] <DeadYak> in english, yes.[17:46:41] <DeadYak> in spanish, no.[17:46:45] <Monni> castellano in Castilian[17:55:04] *** [1]umccullough is now known as umccullough[17:58:39] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[17:59:54] <NeonLicht> no, Monni, proper name is Spanish[18:00:18] <NeonLicht> Castilian was the language used in Castilla, not the whole country[18:02:06] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[18:02:26] <aldeck> according to wikipedia Castililian == Spanish it seems... there's no controversy at least[18:02:59] <NeonLicht> well, Wikipedia has thousands of mistakes[18:03:12] <aldeck> just like books[18:03:42] <aldeck> anyway wanted to say that Spanish is more or less the official name[18:04:03] <NeonLicht> I'm from Spain and Castilian (Castellano) is only used sometimes to diferenciate between proper Spanish and some other languages spoken in some regions of the Country (Catalan, Gallego, Euskera)[18:04:16] <NeonLicht> Spanish is the proper and official name of our language[18:04:24] <aldeck> agree :)[18:04:35] <NeonLicht> Castilian is, actually, a dialect[18:06:13][18:06:44] <NeonLicht> I belive it was spoken in part of Portugal, as well, at some point[18:09:35] <aldeck> oh, didn't know about south america, i thought Mexican spanish was the same as Spain Spanish[18:10:50] <NeonLicht> it is basically the same, although they have many different words, mainly "neologismos" (new words, I don't know the english proper term for it) from the States[18:11:07] <aldeck> i see[18:11:52][18:15:12] <aldeck> NeonLicht: were are you in Spain?[18:15:56] <NeonLicht> aldeck: Granada, Andalucia (Andalusia, in English, I belive)[18:17:14] <aldeck> NeonLicht: cool, went to Malaga when i was younger, nice wine here :)[18:17:29] <NeonLicht> it is located way south in the country[18:17:46][18:18:04] <NeonLicht> were r u from, aldeck?[18:19:03] <aldeck> from france, paris[18:19:12][18:19:18] <aldeck> hehe :)[18:19:39] <aldeck> went to Barcelona last year[18:19:52] <aldeck> i love Spain :)[18:19:59] <NeonLicht> you missed the great "Sierra Nevada" (the realone, not the american one ;-) and the Alhambra; don't miss them next time you come around![18:20:11] <aldeck> sure[18:21:12] <NeonLicht> so do I (love Spain, haha), Barcelona is great (even though they want to call themselves a different country from Spain :-)[18:24:47] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[18:24:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[18:27:33] <MindChild> Puedo ir al bano?[18:29:21] <NeonLicht> ve, MindChild, pero no tardes[18:30:10] *** Rakhun|gone has joined #haiku[18:30:40] *** Rakhun|gone is now known as Rakhun[18:31:06] *** Monni has left #Haiku[18:31:21] *** AndrevS has joined #haiku[18:33:34] <MindChild> NeonLicht: por que?!!!!!!!!![18:33:53] <NeonLicht> para que no te echemos de menos, MindChild XDDD[18:34:17] <MindChild> Tengo que ir mucho mucho mal![18:36:28] <MindChild> or is it "muy muy mal"?[18:36:40] <MindChild> You start to forget when you don't speak it often[18:36:48] <NeonLicht> don't know, I have no idea what you want to say, actually, hahaha[18:37:02] <NeonLicht> perhaps you mean something like: "I need to go badly"?[18:37:07] <MindChild> "I need to go really really bad!"[18:38:22] <MindChild> I took 4 years of spanish, but it got a little fuzzy when I moved from Virginia to Pennsylvania. While I could mudddle through the last year, Virginia taught mexican spanish, while Pennsylvania taught Euro spanish[18:38:30] <NeonLicht> we don't use such expresion, we would rather say something like: "Necesito ir urgentemente" ("I need to urgently go", or something)[18:39:07] <NeonLicht> hahaha, really? are there so big differences between spoken spanish in different US states?[18:39:18] <MindChild> definitely[18:40:00] <MindChild> Down here in florida it is really hard to understand because there is a lot of cuban influence... a lot of more slang words that are hard to pick up[18:40:43] <NeonLicht> man, I can imagine, even we (native Spanish) have a hard time to understand "cubanos", haha[18:41:38] <helf> MindChild,[18:41:45] <MindChild> helf.[18:41:53] <helf> both the SS20 and the Mac SE weigh about 30lbs[18:42:03] <helf> + shipping materials[18:42:03] <MindChild> a piece?[18:42:08] <helf> yeah[18:42:10] <MindChild> ok[18:42:31] <helf> it was like 27lbs for the ss20 and 29 for the mac se or something[18:43:14] <NeonLicht> does an SE weight more than an SS20? really? or is it that the screen is included on the former?[18:43:48] <MindChild> SS20 is a sparcstation 20[18:44:01] <helf> the mac se includes a carrying case and what not[18:44:03] <NeonLicht> I know, I've got one myself :-)[18:44:22] <NeonLicht> an SS20, I mean, I don't have any SE yet :-([18:44:27] <MindChild> NeonLicht: I read that wrong. Sorry[18:44:48] <NeonLicht> np :)[18:45:07] <helf> the ss20 is just the unix with a keyboard/mouse[18:45:27] <helf> er[18:45:28] <helf> the unit[18:45:41] <MindChild> helf: calculate shipping to 33713, add some for packing and a little for yourself and let me know[18:45:47] <NeonLicht> man there are so many nice boxes shoing up at the wrond side (there :-) of the pond... I whish they showed up that much in Europe, also[18:46:15] <MindChild> My 24" SGI monitor has dual input. One VGA and one 13w3, with a toggle switch[18:46:42] <helf> MindChild, ok, two separate boxes[18:46:50] <MindChild> that is fine[18:46:56] <helf> k[18:47:21] <MindChild> Do you have a paypal acount or do you just want me to mail you a money order?[18:48:15] <helf> i have paypal[18:48:34] <MindChild> ok[18:49:58] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[18:54:56] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[18:54:58] <plfiorini> plop[19:02:03] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[19:02:14] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[19:02:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[19:14:50] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[19:27:07] *** luroh has joined #haiku[19:28:00] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[19:28:21] *** wildur has quit IRC[19:28:47] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[19:39:47] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[19:47:31] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[19:48:04] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[19:48:37] *** oco has joined #haiku[19:49:39] *** Barrett666_ has joined #haiku[19:50:21] *** digitalteufel has quit IRC[19:53:14] <luroh> yay, neo freerunner in da house[19:53:32] <luroh> is the arm port done yet? ;P[19:54:00] * luroh hides[19:54:25] *** JDarkness__ has joined #haiku[19:57:50] *** miqlas_opera has joined #haiku[19:58:16] <miqlas_opera> Hello[19:58:43] <mmu_man> luroh lol, no sorry[19:58:47] <mmu_man> need to finish m68k first[19:59:14] <luroh> hehe i know, just kidding[19:59:46] <luroh> geist mentioned an interesting dev board the other day[20:00:06] <mmu_man> yeah I noticed[20:00:21] *** markos_ has quit IRC[20:00:24] <luroh> i suspect it would be a better dev platform than a neo[20:00:55] <luroh> (whenever the time comes)[20:01:48] <mmu_man> well, the neo has a qemu target patch[20:01:59] <mmu_man> but the board is probably simpler[20:03:28] <luroh> i see, yeah[20:06:12] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[20:07:52] *** Barrett666_ has quit IRC[20:17:47] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[20:19:25] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[20:20:52] *** miqlas_opera has left #haiku[20:20:54] *** Negr0 has joined #haiku[20:25:12] <helf> mmu_man, hows the 68k port? :)[20:25:22] <mmu_man> didn't touch it much recently[20:25:36] <mmu_man> .. who is receiving the event submissions btw now ?[20:25:46] <mmu_man> on /conference[20:26:00] <helf> oh[20:27:14] *** adb has joined #haiku[20:33:38] <helf> wow, buncha loonies on google finance[20:33:40] <helf> http://finance.google.com/group/google.finance.983582/browse_thread/thread/6999dc57990c27cc/67ea6f02a327b4c9[20:42:19] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[20:47:45] *** JDarkness__ is now known as Barrett666[21:02:29] *** paul0 has quit IRC[21:22:24] *** leszek has joined #haiku[21:22:33] <leszek> hi[21:23:52] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[21:25:57] *** stargater has joined #haiku[21:33:41] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[21:35:48] *** stargater has quit IRC[21:39:12] <CIA-21> julun * r27928 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/hey.cpp: * use snprintf[21:43:54] *** digitalteufel has joined #haiku[21:45:42] *** luroh has quit IRC[21:45:45] *** luroh has joined #haiku[21:46:40] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[21:48:29] <JonathanThompson> Yup, helf, where's your responses? :)[21:51:39] *** luroh has quit IRC[21:53:55] <digitalteufel> Does interface kit have have a colour picker?[21:55:03] <DeadYak> BColorControl[21:56:03] <digitalteufel> DeadYak, isn't that just RGB sliders?[21:56:43] <DeadYak> that's the closest we have to a color picker atm[21:58:17] *** luroh has joined #haiku[21:59:43] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[21:59:52] <Duggan> greetings all[22:00:40] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[22:02:20] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[22:12:59] <digitalteufel> Syntax highlighting doesn't seem to work with vim in Haiku.[22:14:28] <PulkoMandy> :syntax enable ?[22:14:56] <leszek> :syntax on[22:15:38] <digitalteufel> It's missing the syntax files in /etc/vim/syntax[22:17:45] *** Euver has joined #haiku[22:18:15] <mmu_man> seems so[22:19:10] <mmu_man> damn, 6MB for them ?[22:19:42] <digitalteufel> Really?[22:20:12] <mmu_man> [revol@Zeta /Data/haiku/trunk]# du -s -h src/bin/vim/runtime/syntax/[22:20:13] <mmu_man> 6.0M src/bin/vim/runtime/syntax/[22:20:49] *** Duggan has quit IRC[22:23:09] <digitalteufel> Shouldn't vim be an optional package anyway?[22:23:10] <helf> anyone know how to set up a powerpoint presentation so that all the slides have the same timing?[22:23:50] <helf> because, otherwise, im going to have to manually set the timings on over 200 slides...[22:24:04] <mmu_man> I use OOo[22:24:28] <mmu_man> and I usually just make PDFs so I can use them on Haiku :p[22:24:41] <HeTo> helf: go to the overview (or whatever it's called) screen, select all, and change the timing[22:24:56] <HeTo> or that's what I'd try, anyway[22:27:06] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[22:27:26] <helf> there is just a "rehearse timing" function that i can see.. and it runs a counter and you change the slide when it hits how ever many seconds you want...[22:27:32] <helf> can you tell ive never used powerpoint?[22:27:56] <Duggan> greetings all[22:28:24] <HeTo> there should be some sort of a properties or transform effect properties dialog or something[22:28:25] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[22:29:17] <helf> oh, i found it[22:29:18] <helf> thanks :)[22:35:11] *** leszek has quit IRC[22:37:47] *** korli has joined #haiku[22:37:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[22:37:58] *** silverpower has joined #haiku[22:38:18] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[22:41:20] *** leszek has joined #haiku[22:41:52] <leszek> re[22:42:17] *** Duggan has quit IRC[22:49:07] *** jrick has joined #haiku[22:51:16] <CIA-21> stippi * r27929 /haiku/trunk/docs/welcome/ (20 files in 3 dirs):[22:51:16] <CIA-21> * More conversion to using CSS. The complicated table for layouting is gone,[22:51:16] <CIA-21> the logo area is very simple now, as well as the navigation area. Tweaked[22:51:16] <CIA-21> the looks to remind a little of the Haiku website look.[22:51:16] <CIA-21> * Incorporated patch by Humdinger (better "Open With..." menu screen shot,[22:51:17] <CIA-21> added "Open With Preferred" screen shot and text.)[22:51:21] <CIA-21> * Some minor fixes here and there.[22:56:32] *** Euver has quit IRC[22:57:44] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[23:00:49] <Begasus> evening peeps[23:01:16] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[23:01:42] *** Exterios has quit IRC[23:06:00] <Duggan> hey all.... anybody know if Mr. Dorfler's Mount Image utility works in Haiku? I can't get it to work...[23:07:23] <oco> Duggan : the last time i tried it was not working[23:07:46] *** El_Gringo has joined #haiku[23:07:52] <Duggan> ok, at least its not just me. thanx[23:07:57] *** El_Gringo has left #haiku[23:08:25] <oco> Duggan : maybe there is a command line that work but never took time to search[23:09:20] <Duggan> theres another one but his was supposedly the better of the two[23:09:49] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:10:00] <Duggan> I'm having serious issues running Haiku on my laptop anyway so sometimes its hard to determine whether something actually works or if its broke because something else doesn't work properly[23:17:54] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[23:18:42] <ThomasShirley> Hell[23:18:47] <ThomasShirley> +o[23:20:51] <Begasus> hi[23:21:54] <ThomasShirley> Ah, you prowl this channel too?[23:23:14] <ThomasShirley> I'm very impressed with the Haiku team[23:23:18] <mmu_man> damn[23:23:34] <mmu_man> stippi screwed up the welcome stuff, doesn't show correctly in NetSurf[23:24:28] <oco> mmu_man : fix NetSurf ;-)[23:24:41] <mmu_man> well if it's a bug in NS, but it might not be[23:25:03] <oco> bad html ? ;-)[23:27:36] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[23:27:41] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[23:28:55] <AnEvilYak> hi guys[23:29:37] <AnEvilYak> oco, Duggan: re mounting images, mkdir /mymountpoint ; mount -t bfs /path/to/image /mymountpoint[23:29:56] <AnEvilYak> assuming it's a BFS image anyways, the param for -t will vary depending on what filesystem's in there[23:30:15] <dr_evil> I hate anti-leech-tracker[23:31:19] <AnEvilYak> dr_evil: which is?[23:31:54] <dr_evil> bittorent[23:32:03] <helf> heya AndrevS[23:32:04] <helf> er[23:32:05] <helf> AnEvilYak,[23:32:13] <AnEvilYak> helf: hiya[23:32:17] <AndrevS> hej[23:32:32] *** jmayfield has joined #haiku[23:32:44] *** jmayfield has quit IRC[23:33:35] *** jmayfield has joined #haiku[23:34:32] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[23:34:39] <AnEvilYak> pyCube: web[23:34:41] <AnEvilYak> err[23:34:41] <AnEvilYak> wb[23:34:56] <Begasus> g'night peeps[23:35:07] <pyCube> heh[23:35:07] <AnEvilYak> night Begasus[23:35:08] <pyCube> hi[23:35:15] <AnEvilYak> how goes?[23:35:19] <AnEvilYak> haven't seen you much in a while[23:35:23] <pyCube> es geht[23:35:33] <pyCube> ya.. been busy and stuff[23:35:40] <AnEvilYak> I hear that[23:35:50] *** Begasus has quit IRC[23:36:00] <pyCube> taking a week vacation next week though.. which is nice[23:36:34] *** Duggan has quit IRC[23:36:34] <leszek> gn8@all[23:36:36] <PulkoMandy> +++[23:36:40] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:37:37] *** leszek has quit IRC[23:39:04] *** Stefan100 has quit IRC[23:42:21] *** ddew|bofh has joined #haiku[23:42:23] <ddew|bofh> SYN[23:44:09] <AnEvilYak> ACK[23:44:25] <geist> mmu_man: thinking of getting newos running on my beagleboard[23:44:30] <geist> which is an arm cortex-a8[23:44:30] <ddew|bofh> i still can't believe that isn't in TNHD[23:44:37] <geist> pretty fast, you could actually run a desktop on it[23:44:43] <mmu_man> geist nice[23:45:22] <geist> and it's a sufficiently moderm arm such that you dont have too many annoying mmu/cache misfeatures that you get on earlier ones[23:45:34] <geist> no cache aliasing, physically tagged, etc[23:47:40] *** _Bombe is now known as Bombe[23:51:01] <mmu_man> is there a qemu target that matches it ?[23:51:28] <geist> i doubt it[23:51:41] <geist> since it uses a very new instruction set that i dont think qemu fully supports[23:51:49] <geist> armv7 + vfp3/NEON[23:52:12] <geist> qemu only supports a couple of arm targets unless you agressively hack it[23:52:17] <geist> like the android guys did[23:53:05] <AnEvilYak> the SDK's emulator is qemu-based?[23:53:08] <geist> yah[23:53:25] <AnEvilYak> neat, didn't know that[23:53:39] <geist> yep, they hacked in a bunch of virtual devices that are easy to emulate[23:53:48] <digitalteufel> While the build system is unzipping an optional package, rm gives me a FATAL message about a directory changing /dev/ino[23:53:52] <digitalteufel> What does that mean?[23:53:58] <ddew|bofh> wohoo! fallout 3 has gone gold :D[23:54:08] <AnEvilYak> never seen that one before...[23:54:09] <geist> ORLY?[23:54:44] <digitalteufel> I noticed it before when I tried deleting the haiku source tree with rm[23:54:56] <mmu_man> yeah FreeRunner also has a qemu patch[23:55:05] <digitalteufel> I'm still building on Haiku by the way.[23:55:23] <geist> yeah, they dont make it back to qemu for some reason. i think they may be a little hard to deal with or something[23:55:43] <geist> we are doing similar for the new thing at palm[23:56:02] <AnEvilYak> are the maintainers just finicky about accepting patches or what?[23:56:43] <digitalteufel> ddew|bofh, Fallout 3 is going to suck but all the reviews will praise it. Just like Oblivion.[23:56:51] <geist> AnEvilYak: probably[23:56:54] <geist> i dunno though[23:57:11] <geist> they probably suffer from PCitis, which happens a lot with these cross platform things that support ARM[23:57:15] <ddew|bofh> well oblivion sucked indeed but f3 looks promising. they've kept a lot of the fun stuff from f2[23:57:18] <geist> if it aint x86-pc, they just dont care