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[00:06:32] <MYOB> hello
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[00:57:03] <Duggan> greetings al
[00:57:06] <Duggan> all
[00:59:42] <CIA-21> bonefish * r27897 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/thread.cpp:
[00:59:42] <CIA-21> When a thread times out on a locking primitive, reschedule only, if the
[00:59:42] <CIA-21> timed out thread has a higher priority than the currently running one.
[00:59:42] <CIA-21> Maybe we should even restrict this behavior to realtime threads.
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[02:19:04] <AlienSoldier> that Album app is fast
[02:19:22] <mmu_man> which ?
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[02:26:52] <AlienSoldier> mmu_man the new bebits app
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[02:53:57] <mmu_man> hmm Tracker overwrites BEOS:TYPE on a bookmark file :-(
[02:56:14] <mmu_man> and symlinks to html and html are open by StyledEdit :-(
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[07:47:18] <CIA-21> jackburton * r27898 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/Screen.cpp:
[07:47:18] <CIA-21> Screen was assuming setting a 800x600 mode would work anyway, but currently the
[07:47:18] <CIA-21> Intel driver only supports the 'native' mode for laptop panels. Added a 'strict'
[07:47:18] <CIA-21> parameter to SetBestMode which, if true, fails if it doesn't find any mode with
[07:47:18] <CIA-21> the passed width. If false, and can't find any good mode, just uses the first
[07:47:21] <CIA-21> mode in the list (could be improved). This fixes bug #2350
[07:50:28] <CIA-21> jackburton * r27899 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/Screen.h: should've been part of r27898
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[07:55:47] <Begasus> moin
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[08:08:23] <Rakhun|school> I tried Haiku from a USB stick this morning, reporting success with revision 27883 :)
[08:09:53] <Begasus> nice Rakhun|school
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[08:52:46] <DHowett> O_O
[08:52:47] <DHowett> :P
[08:52:59] <JonathanThompson> Must have tickled you too much ;)
[08:53:10] <DHowett> ;P
[08:53:34] * JonathanThompson imagines a new horror movie:  "Attack of the Killer Tickle Monster"
[08:54:00] <DHowett> Screams of terror fill the theatre.
[08:54:01] <DHowett> :P
[08:54:03] <JonathanThompson> The movie that has the victims die laughing!
[08:54:28] <JonathanThompson> Of course, you know what MPAA rating it'd have, right?
[08:54:36] <JonathanThompson> It'd be rated "Har Har Har!"
[08:54:42] <DHowett> HAHA
[08:54:45] <DHowett> that's terrible :P
[08:54:53] * JonathanThompson bow-wows
[08:55:07] <JonathanThompson> More random humor from a precisely random mind ;)
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[09:12:54] <prOSy> hi
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[09:48:55] <CIA-21> jackburton * r27900 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/opengl/glut/glutWindow.cpp: check for NULL in advance (CID 1056)
[09:52:32] <DHowett> 'nyone here read House of Leaves?
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[10:16:47] <leszek_fh> hi
[10:18:24] <Begasus> hi
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[10:19:04] <Begasus> so ... libIDL compiled ;)
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[11:41:06] <knolan> morning
[11:41:07] <knolan> :)
[11:52:10] <mmu_man> plop
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[11:53:25] <Teknomancer> hi
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[11:54:37] <Begasus> Teknomancer, ! ;)
[11:54:46] <Teknomancer> hey Begasus!
[11:55:08] <Begasus> long time no see
[11:55:12] <Begasus> how's it been?
[11:55:26] <Teknomancer> yeah fine, shifted house :/
[11:55:34] <Begasus> again?
[11:55:35] <Teknomancer> so lots of boring real life stuff to do
[11:55:39] <Teknomancer> no within Germany
[11:55:46] <Teknomancer> previous was just a temporary gasthof
[11:55:49] <Begasus> yeah .. but still ;)
[11:55:51] <Begasus> ah k
[11:56:13] <Begasus> so now you are setled to stay for a while there?
[11:56:18] <Teknomancer> didn't yet get my bed delivered.. and somebody did a #if 0 on my heating last night... pfffffffft.
[11:56:27] <Teknomancer> stay for a while yes. Settled, no.
[11:56:34] <Begasus> ;)
[11:57:05] <Teknomancer> sleeping on the cold floor in india was nice, in germany nicht so gut!!! :(
[11:57:58] <thebolt> Teknomancer: i am guessing it was less cold in india than germany (at least without heating)
[11:58:14] <Teknomancer> you need Air conditioner (coolign) in India, not heating :)
[11:58:17] <Teknomancer> and ceiling fans
[11:59:20] <Begasus> no coutch or anything Teknomancer ?
[11:59:31] <Teknomancer> nothing in the house, but kitchen with refrigerator.
[11:59:33] <Teknomancer> :)
[11:59:37] <Teknomancer> and 2 of my suitcases
[11:59:42] <Begasus> that's even colder :P
[11:59:48] <Teknomancer> house of Echoes
[12:00:19] <Begasus> nice ... image build ... 27900 ... nice round number ... ;)
[12:00:27] <Begasus> I can imagine ;)
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[12:51:00] <stargater> Hi
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[13:32:55] <judgen> hehe Moe is a very nice app i think. Pretty useless by amusing still.
[13:37:56] <judgen> How do i add more modes to the screen preferences applet_
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[13:42:34] <CIA-21> axeld * r27901 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/opengl/glut/ (glutWindow.cpp glutWindow.h): * Minor cleanup - this stuff really has "reimplement me" written all over it...
[13:48:31] <CIA-21> bonefish * r27902 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Moved vm_translation_map_arch_info definition to the header.
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[14:09:58] <judgen> hmm vlc does not list as a mozilla plugin, but the fakeflashplayer that is locatedin the same folder is recognized.
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[14:17:46] <judgen> Anyone else has this problem with vlc?
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[14:23:43] <judgen> hi mmu_man i was playing with oss and even got ossplay to play Machinae supremacy for me =)
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[14:33:49] <mmu_man> :)
[14:33:53] <mmu_man> and not with the media kit ?
[14:34:04] <mmu_man> (try something else than MediaPlayer, it's broken ATM)
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[15:05:36] <CIA-21> jackburton * r27903 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/VirtualScreen.cpp: I'm getting old. Without this change, bug #2350 was still with us. Sorry for forgetting to commit this
[15:08:02] <CIA-21> bonefish * r27904 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/arch/x86/arch_thread.cpp: Simplified x86_next_page_directory().
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[16:34:58] <judgen> Howdy!
[16:36:01] <judgen> http://judgen.googlepages.com/screen1.tga
[16:36:23] <judgen> quite a decent usage of the screen estate.
[16:38:31] <judgen> Wonder if the fellas at wallstreet will give me a loan for getting some more.
[16:38:41] <Teknomancer> judgen: nah, there's still a gap between vlc transmission /dump and /boot
[16:38:53] <Teknomancer> open calculator in that :)
[16:54:23] <judgen> noone awake? or just indifferent?
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[17:08:59] <AlienSoldier> tga just take time over dialup :)
[17:09:57] <judgen> oh
[17:10:01] <PulkoMandy> http://code.google.com/p/grafx2/ is someone wanting to compile a binary for beos/haiku ?
[17:10:05] <Teknomancer> AlienSoldier: you're on dial up???
[17:10:08] <judgen> but everyone complains when i use jpg
[17:10:17] <Teknomancer> judgen: use png
[17:10:18] <Teknomancer> :)
[17:10:18] <PulkoMandy> should not be difficult, it's just a sdl application
[17:10:40] <AlienSoldier> Teknomancer each summer, hope it will change for next year, and 28.8 to make you feel less cheap in india
[17:11:10] <AlienSoldier> going back to town friday i think so alll will be good
[17:11:32] <Teknomancer> AlienSoldier:  where are you now?
[17:11:43] <Teknomancer> AlienSoldier: 28.8 ? not 56k?
[17:11:45] <AlienSoldier> Teknomancer at my summer house
[17:11:51] <Teknomancer> AlienSoldier: yes where is that ?
[17:11:52] <Teknomancer> :)
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[17:12:01] <AlienSoldier> line is too poor, i also have a big humm on the phone
[17:12:07] <judgen> ok
[17:12:11] <judgen> ill remake into a png
[17:12:21] <AlienSoldier> Teknomancer just 1h south of where i live in quebec
[17:12:31] <Teknomancer> AlienSoldier: ok if it's a remote place, then having some internet is better than none!
[17:13:18] <AlienSoldier> everyting that is not on the border of the st-laurence river here is redneck country, even if only 30 min away from it
[17:13:43] <AlienSoldier> imagine Maine but 100 time less populate
[17:13:47] <AlienSoldier> *populated
[17:13:54] <judgen> http://judgen.googlepages.com/realestate.png
[17:14:29] <judgen> Now people might understand how i work =)
[17:14:46] <DeadYak> I don't think I could handle a desktop that crowded
[17:15:04] <AlienSoldier> judgen you should code a tetris game using running BeOS app and scripting windows possition, with the JLG MOE mascot to taunt you
[17:15:10] <judgen> but if its minimized you dont see whats happening
[17:15:21] <judgen> hehe
[17:15:21] <DeadYak> judgen: who said minimize :)
[17:15:32] <DeadYak> I just put apps in groups on different workspaces here
[17:15:51] <judgen> DeadYak if my Screen settings applet could handle bigger screens i would use it.
[17:16:12] <judgen> i havea 42" computer screen running at 1024 in BeOS.
[17:16:39] <judgen> i prefer 1920x1080 as i think it looks best but the maximum is 25** something.
[17:19:03] <AlienSoldier> judgen this is zeta?
[17:19:14] <judgen> AlienSoldier no
[17:19:26] <AlienSoldier> what kind of transmission is it then?
[17:19:36] <judgen> AlienSoldier can you move tabs in zeta.. in case ive missed something.
[17:19:54] <AlienSoldier> true, missed that one
[17:20:49] <AlienSoldier> just that my transmission don't look like that, only see that one on zeta before
[17:20:58] <AlienSoldier> *saw
[17:21:37] <judgen> You have a old version
[17:21:51] <judgen> the gui was updated but never available on bebits.
[17:21:54] <judgen> its from source
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[17:36:19] <cupantae> Hello! I've downloaded "vmhaiku.r27896.zip" for use on vmware on arch linux. After downloading, no archiver can read the .zip file, and unzip claims that "End-of-central-directory signature not found", among other things. Am I to understand that it is a corrupted file? Should i just try again? Is "vmhaiku.r27883.zip" an outdated image? Thanks in advance. Wordy, I know
[17:39:07] <Teknomancer> cupantae: easiest would be to verify md5sum with the correct .zip
[17:39:13] <Teknomancer> if someone has it , or it has been posted somewhere
[17:39:19] <cupantae> oh yeah, great
[17:39:21] <Teknomancer> unless u're on a fast link and don't mind re-downloading
[17:39:40] <cupantae> i'll look for the md5. it's not too fast, no
[17:40:03] <Teknomancer> and when unzip claims end of central directory sig missing it means the stream's somehow incorrect/incomplete
[17:40:26] <cupantae> yeah, it seems like it's claimed to be a .part file
[17:44:39] <cupantae> I'm just downloading the thing again. i presume no one has complained about a corrupted file on the server, then...
[17:45:38] <DeadYak> maybe you downloaded it while it was in the middle of being uploaded
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[17:46:25] <cupantae> oh i never thought that the times quoted might not be in my timezone
[17:46:55] <cupantae> i also didn't notice that the other file is only 17hrs older!
[17:47:23] <cupantae> why is the other one double the size, though?
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[17:56:52] <cupantae> sorry, some monkey down at my isp pushed the wrong button
[17:57:30] <cupantae> if anyone said anything since i said "why is the other one double the size, though?", i didn't hear it
[17:58:15] <mmu_man> no
[17:58:21] <cupantae> cool
[17:59:13] <cupantae> anyway, my dl speed is ~1/10 of the advertised speed right now, so i still have a while to go on the download
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[18:05:06] <cupantae> great. working now. can't wait
[18:14:01] <judgen> mmu_man is ther a way to get OSS to be default and found in meda perferences in BeOS or Zeta?
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[18:16:20] <mmu_man> judgen just select teh card in the prefs
[18:16:36] <mmu_man> if you have two you likely have a native driver as well and you are asking for trouble
[18:16:43] <mmu_man> as they will conflicts and might even KDL
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[18:19:41] <judgen> mmu_man i have no native driver at all, and the card is not slectable.
[18:19:55] <mmu_man> odd
[18:20:02] <mmu_man> does it appear in the list ?
[18:20:18] <judgen> ot plays sound in wav format
[18:20:56] <judgen> its not selectable
[18:21:08] <judgen> not even a fake node
[18:21:57] <mmu_man> ?
[18:22:00] <judgen> but the sound is perfect with ossplay with .wav files
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[18:25:50] <DeadYak> is the opensound media addon not present or something?
[18:26:18] <judgen> im using the defaul install
[18:26:25] <judgen> default
[18:26:48] <cupantae> i really like haiku. every os should have a fractal viewer installed by default
[18:27:38] <Monni> fractals are just government conspiracy to hypnotize people
[18:27:55] <mmu_man> hmm it should be in by default now
[18:28:04] <mmu_man> judgen query opensound.media_addon
[18:28:09] <cupantae> which government?
[18:28:42] <Monni> I'm pretty sure it's not Livonian government atleast...
[18:29:02] <tqh> nah, it must Switzerland
[18:29:22] <Monni> one of my friends is from Vaud, Switzerland ;)
[18:29:36] <tqh> so we have a suspect.
[18:30:09] <Monni> has a few different identities on Facebook ;)
[18:31:07] <tqh> that is one way of getting more 'friends' in facebook :)
[18:31:09] <judgen> mmu_man i really appreaciate your answer, ive got to get to the system (only one connection)
[18:31:12] <judgen> brb
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[18:31:52] <Monni> latest seems to be Alice Kha ;)
[18:35:12] <cupantae> sorry for being cynical, but this is more well designed than the general public will ever be able to appreciate. even the sudoku is just perfect
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[18:36:17] <Teknomancer> cupantae: which ?
[18:36:47] <cupantae> just the os in general. if i ever learn to programme, you can bet i'll join the project
[18:36:51] <cupantae> i love it
[18:37:08] <Monni> better start learning soon then ;)
[18:37:19] <cupantae> i'd like to be able to use those small titlebars as tabs
[18:37:32] <cupantae> i'm only a young'un yet
[18:37:32] <DeadYak> you can
[18:37:37] <DeadYak> hold down shift
[18:37:39] <cupantae> how?
[18:37:41] <DeadYak> and you can drag the tab
[18:37:43] <cupantae> oh great
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[18:38:00] <DeadYak> what's missing is the sys being able to auto-align them but who knows, maybe some day..
[18:38:39] <HeTo> kwin's BII theme has some code for that
[18:38:50] <DeadYak> HeTo: yeah, using that here at work
[18:39:02] <cupantae> oh right, it's just to move it across its own window. in fluxbox, you can add one to another properly, and it works great
[18:39:12] <DeadYak> cupantae: oh
[18:39:21] <DeadYak> cupantae: misunderstood how you meant using them as tabs
[18:39:28] <cupantae> yeah
[18:40:03] <cupantae> actually, is there any compatibility with other os's planned/achieved?
[18:40:44] <DeadYak> define compatibility with other OSes? We're POSIX compliant if that's what you mean
[18:41:02] <HeTo> there's BeOS R5 binary compatibility for apps, which is aimed for and works quite well
[18:41:19] <cupantae> right. well that saves some trouble then, doesn't it
[18:41:45] <DeadYak> some, yes, but if you mean like, being able to run apps from linux out of the box, not likely to happen as we use neither X11 nor their toolkits
[18:41:53] <DeadYak> ergo larger graphical apps would still have to be ported if you'd want those
[18:42:06] <DeadYak> but that should mostly only have to touch the GUI stuff if the app is decently structured
[18:42:58] <Teknomancer> I wonder how hard it would be to port QT ... i think the threading differences might be quite problematic
[18:42:59] <HeTo> there's also an SDL port
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[18:45:25] <mmu_man> Teknomancer some ppl have made one, at least partially
[18:45:54] <mmu_man> the Qt API is actually quite similar (blatently ripped off ?) to BeAPI
[18:45:54] <judgen> mmu_man seems that my current system wont boot to an input error, but still ecplain what i should do to get OSS working as main sound provider.
[18:46:12] <mmu_man> so it's probably quite simple (just time eater) threading considerations appart
[18:46:23] <Teknomancer> not surprising as Benoit Schillings was ex-Be
[18:46:28] <Monni> I thought MYOB was going to port Qt to Haiku... But as he is such a joke, dunno if it was for real...
[18:46:28] <Teknomancer> anyway mmu_man was this qt3 or qt4 ?
[18:46:49] <mmu_man> judgen well if you have the media addon you should be able to select teh card in the media prefs
[18:46:56] <judgen> Monni why is he a joke?
[18:46:59] <mmu_man> Teknomancer likely qt3 or less
[18:47:18] <judgen> mmu_man where can i find this addon?
[18:47:30] <mmu_man> it should be in the default haiku image now
[18:47:53] <Teknomancer> mmu_man: ok
[18:47:59] <judgen> mmu_man is it compatible with R5, dano, or zeta
[18:48:08] <mmu_man> yes
[18:48:17] <judgen> binary or source
[18:48:33] <mmu_man> OSS itself is plain C so the same binary should work everywhere
[18:48:50] <mmu_man> the media addon needs to be compiled for BeOS explicitely from haiku sources
[18:48:52] <mmu_man> like
[18:48:55] <Monni> judgen: he has a big mouth... talks more than he should...
[18:49:06] <mmu_man> TARGET_PLATFORM=r5 jam -q opensound.media_addon
[18:51:33] <judgen> Monni i kinda like myob, he is good to me.
[18:51:59] <judgen> mmu_man ill try that
[18:53:54] <cupantae>  /Haiku/beos/apps/Expander - the titlebar says "Expand-O-Matic". Inconsistent?
[18:54:43] <mmu_man> hmm the beos one says "Expander"
[18:54:51] <judgen> also i have a weekness for irish =)
[18:54:54] <mmu_man> it's a pun with Zip-O-Matic but eh
[18:55:06] <cupantae> irish?
[18:55:07] <judgen> hehe
[18:55:14] <HeTo> the BeOS one does say Expand-O-Matic too
[18:55:25] <mmu_man> not the Zeta one
[18:55:28] <HeTo> it says Expander in the Deskbar, though
[18:55:30] <mmu_man> and Zeta *is* BeOS :p
[18:56:15] <judgen> Zeta is almost beos..... uses all too much libs. annoying nowdays that zeta is dead.
[18:56:31] <judgen> more dead than BeOS actually
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[18:57:17] <stargater> Hi
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[18:57:49] <judgen> mmu_man how do i set oss as default (recognizable in media prefs)
[18:58:15] <judgen> it can play music and all, but only through ossplayer so far.
[18:59:02] <mmu_man> just select it
[18:59:05] <mmu_man> there is nothing else to do
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[18:59:20] <judgen> it does not appear in the selectable units.
[18:59:46] <leszek> hi
[18:59:49] <judgen> in the bebits page you say it requires multi addon. and i have that. no the other addon though.
[18:59:56] <judgen> hi leszek
[18:59:58] <stargater> Yu must edit built setting
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[19:01:23] <judgen> stargater what do you mean?
[19:01:35] <stargater> And out commit the nativ audio driver
[19:02:46] <judgen> the native audio driver is not the issue, it works with the excellent wotk of mmu_man but not just as system default on this machine.
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[19:08:32] <judgen> mmu_man do i lack some software essential to get it working?
[19:08:40] <judgen> or am i just stupid?
[19:09:12] <judgen> im guessing the latter.
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[19:09:27] <mmu_man> probably just overseeing something
[19:09:27] <plfiorini> hello
[19:09:29] <mmu_man> plop
[19:09:33] <plfiorini> pluuup
[19:09:56] <mmu_man> judgen make sure opensound.media_addon is there, and also try quitting media_server
[19:09:58] 
[19:10:08] <mmu_man> and restarting it from a Terminal to see the debug output
[19:10:16] <mmu_man> it should tell if it loaded it or not
[19:10:25] <cupantae> anyway, thanks all. i'll be sure to try it some more and try future installments
[19:10:40] <cupantae> *install{ments,ations}
[19:10:43] <judgen> i dont think it is, how do i solve that?
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[19:11:02] <mmu_man> update your haiku image ?
[19:11:16] <judgen> mmu_man sadly im running BeOS
[19:11:18] <mmu_man> it's definitely in the image now
[19:11:41] <judgen> i only use haiku for testing.
[19:11:44] <mmu_man> ah, for BeOS I can build one
[19:11:56] <judgen> mmu_man you are wonderful!
[19:12:33] <judgen> if there is one thing french are famous for its generousity.
[19:14:24] 
[19:14:58] <judgen> does not matter though
[19:15:17] <mmu_man> hmmm WTF
[19:15:18] <mmu_man> cc1plus: Invalid option `-fmultiple-symbol-spaces'
[19:15:40] <judgen> mmu_man thats what i told you when i tried to build.
[19:15:46] <mmu_man> who added that ?
[19:16:28] <judgen> i dont have a account (damn i would have messed stuff up) and im thankful i dont.
[19:16:42] <judgen> my speed hacks isnt good enough.
[19:17:55] <mmu_man> there is no need for that flag
[19:17:59] <judgen> mmu_man couldnt you just check last subission and see that?
[19:18:08] <judgen> mmu_man so true
[19:18:27] <DeadYak> mmu_man: sounds like a gcc4-specific flag
[19:18:47] <judgen> werent we to avid suck flags?
[19:18:57] <judgen> avoid.
[19:20:23] <judgen> btw im playng q3 while speaking with full 3d
[19:20:32] <judgen> in BeOS.
[19:21:29] <judgen> its slower than win2k but atleast it works.
[19:22:09] <judgen> do you want benhcmarks? then i could provide it to yah
[19:23:15] <judgen> Sorry for talking to much
[19:26:02] <judgen> mmu_man that file ended up in nowhere.
[19:26:14] <mmu_man> it's likely in ~/
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[19:30:55] <judgen> no matter, ive located every file
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[19:35:24] <judgen> mmu_man can you make oss work for me? I can leave you an ssh login, and i would pay you (though not an enourmous amout) to get my stuff working
[19:35:56] <leszek> judgen, xD
[19:36:04] <leszek> which card or chipset do you have ?
[19:36:07] <judgen> leszek =)
[19:36:25] <judgen> leszek i have a 88*
[19:36:42] <leszek> hmm... whats that ?
[19:36:57] <judgen> realtek alc 88*
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[19:37:15] <myrkraverk> hi all
[19:37:25] <judgen> it works very poorly in alsa
[19:37:31] <myrkraverk> and, though maybe off topic, why is #beos invite only?
[19:37:42] <judgen> myrkraverk hi, its been a while
[19:37:54] <mmu_man> myrkraverk seems someone screwed it up
[19:37:58] <leszek> myrkraverk, someone overtook the channel as chanserv was kicked for several seconds
[19:38:07] <leszek> its several weeks ago
[19:38:20] <leszek> judgen, is there any driver in oss for it ?
[19:38:23] <myrkraverk> and you haven't talked to staff about it?
[19:38:56] <myrkraverk> judgen, yes, it's been a while since I did anything remotely connected to the world of beos ;-P
[19:38:58] <leszek> myrkraverk, I definitely have not time for that
[19:38:58] <judgen> leszek i can hear music as long as it is in wav....
[19:39:09] <leszek> in haiku ?
[19:39:32] <myrkraverk> ok, maybe I'll try to talk to staff about it -- but not now, I need to be out of the house in a bit ;-P
[19:39:38] <leszek> so there is a haiku oss driver for it judgen ?
[19:39:59] <judgen> leszek im using BeOS
[19:40:07] <mmu_man> leszek yes it's just an issue with the media addon
[19:40:18] <leszek> ah BeOS, the oss port of haiku works with it ?
[19:40:25] <leszek> ah ok mmu_man
[19:40:29] <judgen> leszek how is the B6 coming along
[19:41:24] <leszek> B6 of ZevenOS was released several month ago (I think 3 months already) RC1 finished and first CD pressed versions are on the way
[19:41:37] 
[19:42:08] <judgen> leszeklovely
[19:42:26] <judgen> i am goints to install your zevenos
[19:42:49] <leszek> :)
[19:43:09] <judgen> i will do singleboot as soon as the tracker and deskbar is behaving the same
[19:43:11] <leszek> webseite is full of infos and a short video
[19:43:15] <leszek> *website
[19:43:45] <leszek> :D
[19:44:22] <judgen> what is yhe newest info on zevenos
[19:44:34] <judgen> url me
[19:45:04] <leszek> http://www.zevenos.com
[19:45:21] <leszek> there is a video (german spoken but it shows several new features)
[19:45:23] <mmu_man> judgen try unzipping this to /boot http://revolf.free.fr/beos/opensound_media_addon_beos.bin.zip
[19:46:16] <leszek> judgen, and there is a info page aswell explaining some of the aps
[19:46:18] <leszek> *apps
[19:46:26] <myrkraverk> is zevenos api compatible with beos, or only a look a like?
[19:46:37] <Teknomancer> its linux
[19:46:47] <leszek> myrkraverk, only look a like
[19:47:02] <myrkraverk> ok ;)
[19:47:29] <myrkraverk> Teknomancer, gnustep is api compatible with openstep, and still linux (afaict)
[19:48:45] <cnuke> gnustep is not just about linux
[19:48:46] <HeTo> GNUstep runs on FreeBSD and Windows in addition to Linux
[19:50:05] <myrkraverk> ah
[19:50:14] <judgen> ill be off again, doing ALOT of cble witching
[19:50:21] <judgen> brs
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[19:50:31] <myrkraverk> which even further reinforces the merit of my question :P
[19:52:16] <leszek> hmm... the dd installation method of installing haiku on a partition on a disk is also working for usb sticks isn't it ?
[19:53:26] <MindChild> USB is for newbs. Real men hook up a commodore 64 floppy drive to the parallel port and boot from that
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[19:55:17] <DeadYak> leszek: assuming the stick is big enough, yes.
[19:56:50] <mmu_man> MindChild yeah with Lunix NG :)
[19:58:45] <Rakhun> leszek: did that successfully this morning :)
[19:59:24] <leszek> ah nice
[19:59:49] <leszek> because I have a support question if it is working with my self written Haiku DD-Installer GUI :)
[20:00:17] <leszek> sadly my notebook does not support booting of an usb stick
[20:00:24] <mmu_man> I started porting Lunix to ORIC but never finished
[20:00:25] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/oric/lunix_oric_004.png
[20:00:25] <leszek> so I can not test it
[20:00:58] * PulkoMandy uses a usb floppy drive to write and read floppies for his amstrad cpc
[20:01:26] <leszek> :)
[20:01:33] <Rakhun> leszek: may I have a look at it? :)
[20:02:27] <CIA-21> mmu_man * r27905 /haiku/trunk/3rdparty/mmu_man/themes/doc/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Add some documentation for Themes.
[20:02:52] <leszek> Rakhun, here you can find it: http://zevenos.com/index.php?article_id=36&clang=0
[20:03:15] <leszek> a german and english description aswell as the download, ah shit I forgot the src I think
[20:03:27] <leszek> will upload this after meal
[20:04:19] <Rakhun> ok
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[20:06:26] <judgen> my install must havr nrrm brokrm
[20:08:20] <judgen> been broken
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[20:08:51] <mimi> can someone help me to get my msn account back
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[20:19:34] <mmu_man> plop
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[20:30:09] <prOSy> hi
[20:35:44] <CIA-21> mmu_man * r27906 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/media/plugins/au_reader/au_reader.cpp:
[20:40:53] <leszek> re
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[21:03:36] <judgen> plop
[21:04:13] <judgen> im in a smus panic
[21:04:36] <judgen> no snus availablr, the mokes will not work
[21:05:43] <AndrevS> aww
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[21:13:40] <mmu_man> re
[21:13:54] <mmu_man> judgen do sports, tai chi
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[22:00:28] <Ingenu> I'm not quite sure whether it should be /dev at the beginning
[22:00:53] <JonathanThompson> Well, perhaps /qa in your future?
[22:00:54] <DeadYak> how about /usr/share/? :)
[22:01:07] <Ingenu> no /qa ty
[22:01:21] <Ingenu> mmh
[22:02:09] * JonathanThompson imagines Ingenu going into customer support/technician roles fixing PC's for virus infestations, etc.
[22:02:43] <Ingenu> well I'm rather considering forgeting about computers, except as a user
[22:03:23] <tqh> how bout actor then :)
[22:04:08] <Ingenu> I'm not nice on film, could prolly act correctly though
[22:05:02] <Ingenu> Fact is I ended up as a programmer because I needed to chose a career path that my father would find acceptable
[22:05:11] * JonathanThompson suspects Ingenu is just plain evil
[22:05:18] <Ingenu> I'd much prefer to be on the creative side
[22:05:24] <Ingenu> I wanted to be game designer
[22:05:24] <JonathanThompson> That's a horrible reason to choose a career path.
[22:05:38] <Ingenu> but I like to tell stories, create them too
[22:05:59] <Ingenu> yes it is, I chose the career that was somewhat the easiest
[22:06:11] <Ingenu> I had already programmed when I was a kid on a CPC6128
[22:06:31] <Ingenu> Z80 galor, with 64kB memory and another 64kB could be accessed through the right poke
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[22:07:50] <Ingenu> now that I am about to get an interview in a nice video game firm, so that basically I'm reaching my "goal", I wonder if that's what I really want
[22:08:43] <Ingenu> It's not the first time I'm wondering if I didn't take a wrong turn somewhere
[22:09:09] <JonathanThompson> Don't let your wings melt by flying too close to the sun/It will end up with you falling quickly to the earth and you will come undone
[22:09:18] <DeadYak> Ingenu = Icarus?
[22:09:23] <JonathanThompson> :P
[22:09:39] <Ingenu> yeah I saw the reference too
[22:10:09] <Ingenu> but it's not really trying to reach higher, that's what I've done sofar with some success
[22:10:10] <tqh> I'd like to continue working with computers but I need to be my own boss :)
[22:10:43] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps you already flew too high, and discovered you got burnt, Icgenu?
[22:11:08] <Ingenu> tqh really ? how do you do so ?
[22:11:09] <tqh> let's speak in metaphors shall we?
[22:11:38] <Ingenu> I went from web industry to game industry, to better job (well more money and fame at least), and climbing
[22:11:39] <tqh> Ingenu, I guess you have to have a good idea or join a startup or something like that
[22:11:42] <JonathanThompson> No doubt, 3 and 5 have a lot of metaphors that get between their communication ;)
[22:12:03] <Ingenu> but it costs me to go that high, and I feel I'm not nearly as good as I should be to be able to shine in this area anyway
[22:12:16] <Ingenu> surely there's an area I can shine in, that is closer to my heart
[22:12:20] <tqh> in to much work?
[22:12:56] <Ingenu> I keep learning, and learning and learning, it's never ending
[22:13:10] <Ingenu> and whenever I have gotten a topic there are like ten more opening
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[22:13:35] <tqh> that's the computer industry, if you don't want to learn much it's hard to keep up
[22:13:45] <JonathanThompson> The computer field is as broad as medicine, but as fickle as fashion.
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[22:13:58] <Ingenu> But I wonder whether I do that because it's my job, so I ought to be good at it, or not
[22:14:00] <tqh> I was thinking that driving a fork lift in a big warehouse would be real nice.
[22:14:28] <tqh> driving it all the way up to the lunch room, having a portable radio beside you :)
[22:14:35] <Ingenu> at least once you master the fork lift you don't have much too learn or worry about ;)
[22:14:48] <Ingenu> too/to
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[22:15:45] <tqh> most developers (locally, not here) I've met seems to think that once you graduated you don't have to learn anything unfortunatly.
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[22:15:56] <JonathanThompson> That IS sad.
[22:16:03] <Ingenu> I remember earlier in my career, when I was in the web industry, I got told that I had to master ie/netscape differences because that was my job
[22:16:07] <JonathanThompson> The learning never stops unless you want to dinosaur yourself.
[22:16:16] <Ingenu> and god at the time they were messing everything at every release
[22:16:21] <Ingenu> I quit shortly after ^^
[22:17:12] <Ingenu> Yeah, having to ever learn is something I knew about the computer industry
[22:17:18] <tqh> everybody wants you to master things. It's all about finding a key area you like and be good at that.
[22:17:47] <Ingenu> But do I want to spend my time learning that ? Or would I like to learn something I'd more interested in...
[22:18:44] <tqh> I havn't found something I rather do so far..
[22:19:31] <Ingenu> Well I have, but it's even harder to succeed in that area
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[22:20:47] <tqh> if you don't work full time maybe you can start soft.
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[22:21:03] <hummin> dam-dam-diggety!
[22:21:07] <hummin> sup?
[22:22:52] <tqh> gtg, good night.
[22:23:00] <Ingenu> good night tqh
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[22:26:22] <Begasus> evening peeps
[22:26:34] <hummin> evening
[22:28:15] <Monni> goede avond Begasus
[22:29:23] <Begasus> goede avond Monni  ;)
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[22:36:00] <leszek> n8@all
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[23:02:30] <Ingenu> tired + late = going to bed, good night, see you tomorrow, poets
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[23:03:53] <CIA-21> stippi * r27907 /haiku/trunk/docs/welcome/ (17 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[23:03:53] <CIA-21> Worked over the design and some of the text of the "Welcome" documentation.
[23:03:53] <CIA-21> * Changed the design of the logo area and worked on the document margins
[23:03:53] <CIA-21>  and overall layout.
[23:03:53] <CIA-21> * Added a navigation infrastructure.
[23:03:57] <CIA-21> * Worked on the text on the Welcome page - Added an actual welcome paragraph
[23:03:59] <CIA-21>  and unified the bug sections. Slightly changed the paragraph ordering.
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[23:06:01] <helf> sup beotches
[23:07:19] <helf> I slave to get my stolen wifi working, and noone is here to chat
[23:07:24] * helf runs off crying
[23:10:47] <CIA-21> stippi * r27908 /haiku/trunk/data/artwork/icons/ (6 files):
[23:10:47] <CIA-21> * Finished Zip-O-Matic icon.
[23:10:47] <CIA-21> * Added Jamfile icon and two icons I will use in Pe. (I keep them here, since
[23:10:47] <CIA-21>  for now, this is the one place with all HVIF icons.)
[23:10:47] <CIA-21> * Added helper icons for one of the boxes from the generic app icon, may be
[23:10:48] <CIA-21>  useful for integrating in other icons.
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[23:12:53] <CIA-21> stippi * r27909 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/tracker/zipomatic/ZipOMatic.rdef: Switched to new Zip-O-Matic icon.
[23:14:11] <CIA-21> bonefish * r27910 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
[23:14:11] <CIA-21> * smp.c -> smp.cpp
[23:14:11] <CIA-21> * Added smp_send_multicast_ici(), which sends the message to all CPUs
[23:14:11] <CIA-21>  specified via a mask.
[23:18:48] <geist> fun
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[23:26:21] <Duggan> greetings all.... anybody know if a driver for a realtek 8101e exists?
[23:26:57] <Gareth> Ahoy.
[23:29:55] <CIA-21> stippi * r27911 /haiku/trunk/data/artwork/ (12 files):
[23:29:55] <CIA-21> * Renamed "white on blue - small" to "normal".
[23:29:55] <CIA-21> * Added "black on white - normal" size.
[23:29:55] <CIA-21> * Added the website logo area designs.
[23:29:56] <CIA-21> * Added the variation of the website logo that I did for the welcome
[23:29:58] <CIA-21>  introduction.
[23:31:07] <Dane_> anyone...
[23:31:16] <Dane_> what would make zipomatic lock up the computer?
[23:31:32] <Dane_> It's been working fine, and now suddenly when you zip a larger number of files, BeOS freezes solid.
[23:31:34] <Dane_> Any ideas?
[23:31:55] <Dane_> BGA Any clues on that one?
[23:32:43] <Dane_> Monni ?
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[23:35:26] <Monni> smells like file system issue
[23:36:49] <geist> it's the luposian bug!
[23:37:24] <Monni> meaning...
[23:37:50] <geist> well, kind of a joke. you either get it or not
[23:37:58] <geist> not really worth explaining
[23:38:17] <Monni> try me...
[23:38:38] <CIA-21> bonefish * r27912 /haiku/trunk/ (9 files in 7 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[23:38:38] <CIA-21> * Added "from" address space parameter to vm_swap_address_space()/
[23:38:38] <CIA-21>  arch_vm_aspace_swap().
[23:38:38] <CIA-21> * The x86 implementation does now maintain a bit mask per
[23:38:38] <CIA-21>  vm_translation_map_arch_info indicating on which CPUs the address
[23:38:38] <CIA-21>  space is active. This allows flush_tmap() to avoid ICI for user
[23:38:42] <CIA-21>  address spaces when the team isn't currently running on any other CPU.
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[23:39:58] <CIA-21> julun * r27913 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/hey.cpp: * whitespace cleanup
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[23:47:03] <CIA-21> julun * r27914 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/hey.cpp:
[23:47:03] <CIA-21> * The size of the array passed should was not enough to hold the entire formatted string.
[23:47:03] <CIA-21>  This fixes ticket #2802. (Not sure why it only happend on gcc4)
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[23:47:57] <CIA-21> stippi * r27915 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
[23:47:57] <CIA-21> zuMi created a pretty awesome icon for the debug server. It could be improved
[23:47:57] <CIA-21> (for better silhouettes), but I think it's pretty cool as is! Thanks a lot!
[23:55:17] <mmu_man> nice work on the welcome pages from stippi
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