October 6, 2008 
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October 6, 2008 [00:00:01] <carrot> toy commander[00:00:09] <AlienSoldier> i could play (finish) JGR each 2 year for the next 10 year, some game are just that good[00:00:19] <carrot> jgr[00:00:27] <carrot> i never beat jgr[00:00:29] <carrot> i am shamed[00:00:32] <AlienSoldier> i have yet to finish fur and toy[00:00:41] <carrot> i don't think i ever beat either of those[00:00:48] <carrot> but i played the hell out of the multiplayer[00:00:50] <AlienSoldier> jgr get better and better[00:01:01] <carrot> i think i got stuck[00:01:04] <carrot> jsrf is fun too[00:01:16] <AlienSoldier> i so much use still my DC i will get a VGA box this year[00:01:16] *** quinq has quit IRC[00:01:51] <AlienSoldier> i played 1h of the future one, stuff i don't like about it, but it's a nice remix[00:02:24] <carrot> i have a whole horde of dc stuff[00:02:34] <carrot> i need a new copy of virtua tennis and chu chu rocket though[00:02:36] <AlienSoldier> only time i got stuck in lots of year was with ecco, damn confusing[00:03:02] <digitalteufel> How much memory is needed to compile Haiku? I got 512MB on my VM with no swap file.[00:03:21] *** quinq has joined #haiku[00:03:26] <AlienSoldier> i still have to beat the last match in the virtua tennis 2 tournement :([00:03:26] <DeadYak> without swap, 800ish[00:04:10] <AlienSoldier> carrot you know there is a nive port of chu chu rocket for the atari falcon :)[00:04:14] <AlienSoldier> *nice[00:04:17] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[00:05:55] <carrot> falcon?[00:07:54] *** Qu4Z has quit IRC[00:08:20] <AlienSoldier> atari equivalent to the amiga aga line[00:14:05] *** QuAZ has quit IRC[00:14:39] <digitalteufel> Is there a more recent version of svn for Haiku? 1.1.3 seems to have problems.[00:19:36] <luroh> digitalteufel: http://haiku.mlotz.ch/subversion-1.4.6-haiku-20080628.zip[00:24:03] <digitalteufel> Thanks[00:24:30] <luroh> ( http://svn.berlios.de/wsvn/haiku/haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages )[00:27:53] <miqlas> http://noob.hu/07/1006/penguins_2.jpg[00:40:56] <CIA-5> julun * r27882 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/support/List.cpp: * cleanup[00:43:34] <miqlas> I want to contribute the translation for the WelcomePackage. Can i make it?[00:43:53] <CIA-5> julun * r27883 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/support/List.cpp: * fix of by one bug while moving from front to back[00:51:11] <DaaT> miqlas: wasn't the WelcomePackage a rejected proposal?[00:51:56] <miqlas> Yes, i know, but later it will handy if we have translated version. This don't make the image much bigger.[00:52:41] <luroh> miqlas: i don't think Haiku can acommodate translations at this point[00:52:56] <miqlas> I think somebody can make an small app that run automatically on first boot, and show an welcome massage with link to the Welcome package. Little flags for every language.[00:53:24] <miqlas> And the user can open the translated version with a single click.[00:53:43] *** PieterPan has joined #haiku[00:54:00] <luroh> did beos come in various language versions?[00:54:09] <PieterPan> good evening[00:54:14] *** Stefan100 has quit IRC[00:55:31] <miqlas> luroh, yes, in german and japanese language, if i know correctly[00:55:42] <PieterPan> I'm working on getting my network driver to work, but I'm stuck. Anyone here ever develop network drivers with the freebsd compatibility layer? :)[00:56:31] <PieterPan> It concerns the broadcom gigabit driver (bge in freebsd)[01:00:30] <luroh> miqlas: i dunno, i'm not a big fan of localization[01:01:40] <miqlas> luroh, maybe You not a big fan, but what You think about the users from Angola? Or from Taiwan? Or from Romania?[01:02:06] <miqlas> Belive to me, if somebody don't speak english, like the translations.[01:02:34] <carrot> lol[01:03:32] * luroh hates users from Angola[01:05:51] * geist hates haters[01:08:14] <DaaT> ok, that's weird... if you open XChat's prefs window, the CPU shoots up to 100%[01:08:17] <DaaT> freaky[01:09:30] <miqlas> If an program compiled under BeOS and it uses USB kit will work under Haiku? ( http://f-x.haiku-talkers.net/usbpulsebox-e.html )[01:09:49] <mmu_man> hmm no SGA511 this week ??[01:10:11] <mmu_man> miqlas yes it should[01:10:13] <DaaT> mmu_man: unfortunately not it seems[01:10:53] <PieterPan> Wow, I can actually get the MAC address of my network chip. But then it crashes when I plug in the cable ;)[01:10:56] <miqlas> I want build an usb pulsebox, if i can buy the parts that needed.[01:11:19] <miqlas> PieterPan, thank You for Your work, and Thank You for every Haiku developers.[01:11:32] <miqlas> If i can help, please, tell me.[01:12:17] <PieterPan> Well it doesn't work at all, and I have little clue on what I'm doing, so it is too early for that :)[01:12:54] <PieterPan> I only consider myself a casual haiku user/developer, I just started, really...[01:13:41] <PieterPan> I just really want my laptop to get a network connection. Haiku is more fun with a network connection![01:16:38] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[01:16:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[01:18:13] <miqlas> PieterPan, :)[01:18:54] *** DaaT has quit IRC[01:19:25] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[01:29:22] <digitalteufel> Do I need to pass anything to configure in order to self-host?[01:33:53] <PieterPan> off to bed[01:33:56] *** PieterPan has left #haiku[01:35:45] *** luroh has quit IRC[01:44:21] *** DaaT has quit IRC[02:10:04] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[02:15:02] *** ThomasShirley_ has quit IRC[02:21:22] *** digitalteufel has quit IRC[02:30:06] *** carrot has quit IRC[02:38:22] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[02:59:40] *** criso has joined #haiku[02:59:48] *** digitalteufel has joined #haiku[03:00:19] <digitalteufel> This is going to take hours isn't it :)[03:05:08] <criso> is there any port of apt/dpkg for beos/haiku?[03:08:22] <digitalteufel> criso, of course not.[03:08:38] <criso> yes, just checking[03:09:34] <digitalteufel> Haiku will probably need some for of package management though.[03:12:06] <criso> how does it work now?[03:12:38] <criso> you mean, support for dependency checking or some such?[03:13:01] <criso> I was thinking dpkg is a good candidate[03:14:34] <adb> apt[03:15:24] <adb> dpkg don't resolve dependencies[03:15:31] <criso> it checks them[03:15:34] <criso> :)[03:17:34] <adb> not, is apt-get who do this[03:17:45] <digitalteufel> 45 minutes and it's about 1/3 done :([03:18:15] <adb> digitalteufel: do you build kaiku ?[03:19:00] <digitalteufel> I'm compiling Haiku on Haiku.[03:21:06] <adb> good job than , i tried ones to compile on linux , but no joy[03:30:30] *** quinq has quit IRC[03:54:11] *** rbmk8 has quit IRC[03:57:24] <mmu_man> NetSurf becomes quite usable[04:01:46] *** knuckles_ekb has joined #haiku[04:09:03] <digitalteufel> mmu_man, hm?[04:09:19] <mmu_man> fixed some drawing issues[04:10:09] *** sdeken has joined #haiku[04:10:21] <digitalteufel> mmu_man, screenshots?[04:11:27] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[04:28:09] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[04:32:06] <sdeken> How can I increase the size of the image generated by `jam haiku-image`?[04:32:29] <sdeken> The image it generates isn't large enough to hold the BeOS build tools or the Haiku sources.[04:33:28] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/beos/shots/shot_beos_netsurf.013.png[04:33:35] <mmadia> haiku-svn/haiku/build/jam/UserBuildConfig.ReadMe sdeken[04:34:13] <mmadia> got a r5bone binary to play with, mmu_man ? : )[04:36:40] <thotypous> mmu_man, news about the softmodem or about the cellphone stuff? :p[04:36:45] <thotypous> plop[04:37:04] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/beos/netsurf-bone.zip[04:37:18] <mmu_man> thotypous not much[04:37:20] <thotypous> netsurf is beautiful, are you going to use it to display the welcome package in alpha?[04:37:32] <mmu_man> stippi seems to be thinking about it[04:37:43] <mmu_man> moz is a bit harsh for it[04:37:54] <sdeken> thx mmadia[04:38:09] <thotypous> yes, it's better to use a lightweight browser for that[04:39:53] <mmu_man> need to make sure it doesn't go nuts anymore under Haiku[04:40:00] <mmu_man> some select() issue[04:43:00] *** knuckles_ekb has quit IRC[05:00:21] *** bryguy[lap] has joined #haiku[05:01:22] *** mmadia has quit IRC[05:54:04] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[05:58:26] *** sdeken has quit IRC[05:59:52] <mmu_man> oh, we aer second there[05:59:52] <mmu_man> http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=haiku&btnG=Google+Search[05:59:56] <mmu_man> 3rd actually[06:00:00] <mmu_man> 2nd no .com :)[06:00:04] <mmu_man> on .com[06:00:19] <thotypous> mmu_man, brazilian google shows haiku-os.org as the first[06:00:29] <mmu_man> ;)[06:04:44] <mmu_man> ok, fixed text input on NS[06:04:50] <digitalteufel> It took 3 hours but it finally finished compiling.[06:08:01] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/beos/netsurf-bone.zip[06:08:15] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[06:14:46] *** criso has quit IRC[06:15:30] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[06:58:55] *** thotypous has quit IRC[07:07:05] *** umccullough_lap has joined #haiku[07:12:24] *** Stefan100 has joined #haiku[07:28:27] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[07:37:23] *** [1]umccullough has joined #haiku[07:38:44] *** [1]umccullough has quit IRC[07:40:06] *** umccullough_lap has quit IRC[08:03:48] *** jonathanbthompso has joined #Haiku[08:18:41] * jonathanbthompso goes cricket-stomping[08:19:55] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[08:21:18] *** senry-user is now known as liteK[08:22:09] *** liteK has quit IRC[08:28:59] *** jonathanbthompso is now known as JonathanThompson[08:30:54] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[08:47:17] *** BeSman has joined #haiku[08:47:27] <BeSman> Hi all[08:52:52] <CIA-5> rudolfc * r27884 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/generic/ide_adapter/ide_adapter.c:[08:52:52] <CIA-5> forcing 16bit pio writes, disabling 32bit pio writes. This was already the case[08:52:52] <CIA-5> for read pio ever since this driver got imported. This fixes booting from IDE[08:52:52] <CIA-5> drives in PIO mode with both the IDE and ATA busmanagers, at least on my ASUS[08:52:52] <CIA-5> P5E3 mainboard. If I am stepping out of bounds here please correct and let me[08:52:55] <CIA-5> know..[08:54:27] *** BeSman has quit IRC[08:55:14] *** tqh has joined #haiku[08:57:40] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[09:03:13] *** DHowett1 has joined #haiku[09:03:30] *** DHowett1 is now known as DHowett[09:05:17] *** digitalteufel has quit IRC[09:24:16] * JonathanThompson greets DHowett[09:24:29] * DHowett responds with a similar generic greeting.[09:29:52] *** AndrevS has quit IRC[09:30:08] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[09:54:05] *** fleximus has joined #haiku[10:15:15] <miqlas> mmu_man, Thank You for the NetSurf![10:15:25] <miqlas> I wish have a nice day for every developer.[10:27:39] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[10:29:11] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku[11:07:50] *** stoc has joined #haiku[11:10:58] *** simmons has joined #haiku[11:13:07] *** Hiryu has quit IRC[11:19:39] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[11:20:38] *** ThomasShirley_ has joined #haiku[11:30:35] *** judgen has quit IRC[11:39:57] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[11:41:18] <CIA-5> axeld * r27885 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/input_server/filters/screensaver/ (ScreenSaverFilter.cpp ScreenSaverFilter.h):[11:41:18] <CIA-5> * The ScreenSaverFilter now uses locking in all public functions to ensure[11:41:18] <CIA-5> it works well with its controlling looper. This fixes #2638.[11:41:18] <CIA-5> * Header cleanup.[11:42:23] *** DHowett has left #haiku[11:45:24] <CIA-5> axeld * r27886 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/input_server/filters/ (8 files in 3 dirs):[11:45:24] <CIA-5> * Renamed the "screensaver" directory to match the name of the filter, ie.[11:45:24] <CIA-5> "screen_saver".[11:47:08] *** miqlas has quit IRC[11:55:10] *** judgen has joined #haiku[11:57:33] <judgen> ./dev/mixer: No such file or directory The device file is missing from /dev. Perhaps you have not installed and started Open Sound System yet[11:57:37] <judgen> hmm[11:58:15] <judgen> reboot[11:58:20] *** judgen has quit IRC[12:00:02] *** judgen has joined #haiku[12:08:14] *** Euver has joined #haiku[12:09:04] <tqh> woohoo accidently doing rm on source dirs. Hopefully I got it aborted before I lost any changes.[12:12:31] <geist> yay source control[12:13:10] *** Euver has quit IRC[12:17:10] *** QuAZ has joined #haiku[12:18:59] <tqh> I probably should test git-cvs so I can have local vcs[12:24:47] <geist> i found that git-svn works great with haiku source[12:25:05] <judgen> nice[12:29:37] <judgen> when i try to build haiku-nvidia-cvs i get "failed C++ generated/objects/dano/x86/release/build/libhaikucompat/GraphicsDefs.o"[12:29:41] <judgen> darnit.[12:45:31] *** stargater has joined #haiku[12:48:23] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[12:48:45] <tqh> bah git cvsimport seems to assume you want to get all the history as well.[12:49:02] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[12:49:12] *** [Katisu]_laptop has joined #haiku[12:51:46] *** judgen has quit IRC[12:55:40] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[12:55:46] *** quinq has joined #haiku[13:00:05] *** tolimanB_ has joined #haiku[13:03:15] *** ThomasShirley_ has quit IRC[13:03:36] *** Monni has quit IRC[13:03:39] *** giszo has quit IRC[13:03:39] *** geist has quit IRC[13:03:43] *** [Katisu]_laptop has quit IRC[13:03:46] *** adb has quit IRC[13:03:46] *** kallisti5 has quit IRC[13:03:53] *** rsanches has quit IRC[13:03:53] *** quinq has quit IRC[13:03:54] *** Vampyre has quit IRC[13:03:55] *** NeonLicht has quit IRC[13:03:55] *** cnuke has quit IRC[13:03:57] *** ormandj has quit IRC[13:03:57] *** BuildFactory has quit IRC[13:03:58] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[13:03:58] *** stargater has quit IRC[13:03:59] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[13:03:59] *** Stefan100 has quit IRC[13:03:59] *** bryguy[lap] has quit IRC[13:04:00] *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC[13:04:00] *** naaina has quit IRC[13:04:01] *** xcasex has quit IRC[13:04:01] *** helf has quit IRC[13:04:01] *** Zaranthos has quit IRC[13:04:11] *** Gareth has quit IRC[13:04:11] *** quinq has joined #haiku[13:04:45] *** geist has joined #haiku[13:04:45] *** [Katisu]_laptop has joined #haiku[13:04:45] *** adb has joined #haiku[13:04:45] *** giszo has joined #haiku[13:04:45] *** Monni has joined #haiku[13:04:45] *** cnuke has joined #haiku[13:04:45] *** Vampyre has joined #haiku[13:04:45] *** NeonLicht has joined #haiku[13:04:45] *** ormandj has joined #haiku[13:04:45] *** kallisti5 has joined #haiku[13:04:45] *** rsanches has joined #haiku[13:04:45] *** BuildFactory has joined #haiku[13:04:45] *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o geist[13:05:25] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[13:05:25] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku[13:05:25] *** Stefan100 has joined #haiku[13:05:25] *** bryguy[lap] has joined #haiku[13:05:25] *** _Lucretia_ has joined #haiku[13:05:25] *** naaina has joined #haiku[13:05:25] *** xcasex has joined #haiku[13:05:25] *** helf has joined #haiku[13:05:25] *** Zaranthos has joined #haiku[13:05:25] *** Gareth has joined #haiku[13:05:49] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[13:05:49] *** [Katisu]_laptop is now known as [Katisu][13:05:51] *** judgen has joined #haiku[13:05:51] <judgen> Anyone using OSS?[13:07:31] <judgen> the osstest app works very nicely. Do anyone know how to make it appear in the mixer?[13:18:37] *** tolimanB has quit IRC[13:18:38] *** slaad has joined #haiku[13:22:24] *** CIA-5 has quit IRC[13:25:51] *** slaad has quit IRC[13:31:18] *** CIA-5 has joined #haiku[13:37:33] *** judgen has quit IRC[13:38:36] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[13:41:29] <mmadia> tqh the hd's are coming today : )[13:41:38] <tqh> ah nice.[13:41:48] <mmadia> probably not for a few more hours though.[13:42:28] <tqh> I accidently did rm on my mozilla dir, so I need to recreate a new tree. Hopefully I aborted before I lost any real changes.[13:45:23] *** mmadia has quit IRC[13:46:22] *** Teknomance1 has joined #haiku[13:46:28] <Teknomance1> hi[13:46:32] *** Teknomance1 is now known as Teknomancer[13:49:35] *** judgen has joined #haiku[13:50:34] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[13:54:47] <judgen> nice ossplay works now too for me =)[13:59:31] *** baaina has joined #haiku[14:04:40] <CIA-5> jackburton * r27887 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/network/ (6 files in 4 dirs): renamed 're' driver to rtl81xx. I hope it's clear enough. If not, just shout. Also disabled the ids for cards already supported by the native rtl8169 driver[14:06:26] <mmadia> tqh have you tried compiling ff in haiku yet?[14:06:30] <CIA-5> jackburton * r27888 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/HaikuImage: Added the rtl81xx driver to the image, at least for now. The problems I'm having seems not to be reproducible on other systems.[14:07:02] <tqh> mmadia, nope but cvs version will fail[14:07:37] <mmadia> due to the lack of your configure changes?[14:08:32] <CIA-5> jackburton * r27889 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/HaikuImage: With last commit, I accidentally removed a couple of network drivers from inclusion in the image. Sorry[14:09:27] * mmadia reboots[14:09:29] *** mmadia has quit IRC[14:09:40] *** fleximus has quit IRC[14:11:46] *** QuAZ has quit IRC[14:12:46] *** naaina has quit IRC[14:14:17] *** QuAZ has joined #haiku[14:17:25] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[14:20:04] <judgen> Anyone knows why i get this error when trying to compile anything: MergeObjectFromObjects1 actions too long (max 10240)![14:20:34] *** Qu4Z_ has joined #haiku[14:24:09] <Monni> wrong jam version ;)[14:25:07] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[14:25:25] <miqlas> re[14:26:15] *** mmadia has quit IRC[14:30:17] <judgen> Monni yes it was. thanks.[14:35:03] <Monni> dumb Swedes ;)[14:40:35] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[14:40:36] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[14:41:46] *** judgen has quit IRC[14:43:52] <MrSunshine> http://dontclickthis.whatingods.name/asp-rnd.png[14:45:14] *** naaina has joined #haiku[14:47:27] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[14:47:27] *** helf has quit IRC[14:47:28] *** bryguy[lap] has quit IRC[14:47:28] *** Zaranthos has 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built on r5, they need to be opened with File Types. Then double click the empty icon region, which opens Icon-O-Matic, and then saving the icon.[16:54:26] <leszek> mmadia, seems to be a bug then[16:54:32] <DeadYak> mmadia: they don't have attributes on them in svn[16:54:40] <DeadYak> they need to be generated during the build process[17:00:58] *** quinq has quit IRC[17:00:59] *** ahjot has joined #haiku[17:01:33] *** quinq has joined #haiku[17:01:43] <mmadia> could anyone try moving a directory -out- of Trash?[17:02:07] <mmadia> Tracker craps out on me. both on empty and non-empty directories.[17:02:13] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[17:02:35] <mmadia> though, i can move the individual files from that directory out of Trash[17:03:04] <mmu_man> hmm NS on Haiku still busy loops on select() :-([17:05:15] <MindChild> NextStep?[17:05:18] <MindChild> Netscape?[17:05:20] <DeadYak> NetSurf[17:12:43] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[17:13:33] <Duggan> when you drag those little buttons from pulse onto your desktop, how do you get rid of them?[17:14:29] <mmadia> funny. the dragger isn't showing[17:14:40] <mmu_man> Duggan a) make sure draggers are shown and right click the handle on them, and just Delete[17:14:50] <mmu_man> b) remove tracker_shelf file[17:15:08] <mmu_man> c) use hey to ask Tracker to do it :)[17:17:22] <Duggan> not sure where the shelf file is or anything about the hey command lol[17:17:32] <mmadia> home/config/settings/Tracker[17:17:44] <Duggan> aight cool, thanx[17:17:47] <mmadia> Duggan which revision are you using?[17:20:05] <Duggan> I don't remember exactly... lemme check[17:20:28] <Duggan> 27509[17:20:48] <Duggan> its on my laptop and suffering from two of the larger bugs[17:21:18] <Duggan> one is a video card issue the other is a thread crashing on bootup, there are workarounds for both so its not entirely unusable[17:22:03] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[17:22:18] <Duggan> biggest problem is campus uses wireless and theres no driver for my nic, which sucks and DOES make it almost unusable hehe[17:23:18] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[17:29:04] *** digitalteufel has joined #haiku[17:29:14] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[17:29:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[17:29:29] <Duggan> wb[17:30:42] *** adb has quit IRC[17:31:36] <mmu_man> damn, belgian railway on strike...[17:31:43] <mmu_man> I hope it'll be over on friday[17:31:55] <Duggan> anybody know anything about broadcom 802.11b/g wlan drivers or a workaround?[17:32:06] <mmu_man> happened to me once already for BG...[17:32:16] <mmu_man> I was lucky enough to have the phone of someone else going by car[17:32:30] <Duggan> good luck[17:32:56] <DeadYak> no wireless drivers whatsoever currently[17:33:09] <Duggan> that sucks[17:33:16] *** adb has joined #haiku[17:33:42] <mmu_man> the ndiswrapper in zeta with broadcom was very crashprone[17:34:02] <Duggan> I don't care how stable it is as long as it works lol[17:34:44] <Monni> if it doesn't KDL atleast once, it's not really working :)[17:35:05] <Duggan> are there no wireless drivers because nobody's ported any or because of something with the OS preventing it?[17:35:22] <Monni> no wireless stack ;)[17:35:27] <DeadYak> some of both, proper wireless drivers would require an OS-level wireless stack[17:35:37] <Duggan> ah.... er... I think....[17:36:06] <Duggan> so how difficult would that be to implement now that theres at least a net stack?[17:36:38] <Teknomancer> how good is Haiku's networking currently? It seems much slower than other guests on VBox (compared to Ubuntu, XP, etc.) starting with things like "ping".[17:36:58] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[17:37:08] <mmu_man> well it'd just be another framing module and some wiconfig bins[17:37:15] <Duggan> been ifine for me when I can get it to work (hardware issues, not software)[17:37:29] <Duggan> mmu_man sounds easy enough...?[17:37:47] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[17:38:10] <Duggan> Teknomancer, my understanding is that the OS as a whole is slowed down alot due to debugging flags being turned on, considering how "new" net support is, I wouldn't doubt thats slowing networking down alot too[17:38:44] <Teknomancer> that could be; haiku is sluggish on VBox[17:38:56] <Teknomancer> but atleatst now it works, both in raw mode as well as hwaccm[17:39:13] <Duggan> I don't know how to do it (since I have yet to successfully build Haiku myself) but supposedly you can turn those flags off and rebuild[17:39:53] <DeadYak> could also be VBox, it flies on my actual hardware[17:40:23] <DeadYak> wouldn't be the first time VBox has had issues with Haiku anyways[17:40:30] *** eightbit has joined #haiku[17:40:43] <Duggan> presumably I could get networking going for my ethernet card, but unfortunately the school's IT limits connectivity based on MAC address (and limits the number of MAC addresses you can use)[17:42:03] <Duggan> anyway, time for my Game AI class[17:42:05] <Duggan> catch yall l8r[17:42:53] *** Duggan has left #haiku[17:49:51] *** daste has joined #haiku[17:57:22] *** eightbit has quit IRC[17:58:57] <mmadia> are there any known issues with scrolling? 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:)[20:09:25] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[20:09:32] * DeadYak pets emitrax[20:09:37] <Begasus> don't think I tried that one mmadia ..[20:10:12] <Begasus> atleast it's not in my list of ported libs ... ;)[20:10:19] <emitrax> hi[20:10:46] *** AndrevS has joined #haiku[20:11:46] <stippi> bye all![20:11:46] <Begasus> hey AndrevS ! :P[20:11:49] *** stippi has quit IRC[20:11:50] <AndrevS> hej[20:13:40] <Monni> klus[20:14:27] *** oco has joined #haiku[20:14:32] <Begasus> plop[20:14:38] <Monni> kwebbel[20:14:52] <Begasus> ;)[20:15:16] *** luroh has joined #haiku[20:17:17] *** korli has joined #haiku[20:17:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[20:18:32] <Monni> Begasus: Trying to match e-mail addresses with real names of people is pretty scary... a lot of people use fake names...[20:18:36] <mmadia> what haiku system library has iconv built in?[20:19:15] <DeadYak> probably libroot[20:19:18] <DeadYak> if at all[20:19:23] <DeadYak> I forget if iconv is actually integrated[20:19:35] <Begasus> it's shipped iirc[20:19:49] <Begasus> but not with the headers I think ...[20:21:41] <korli> DeadYak: part of libtranslation.so[20:21:48] <DeadYak> korli: aha.[20:21:52] <DeadYak> korli: thanks :)[20:23:07] *** leszek has quit IRC[20:23:09] *** genkie has joined #haiku[20:23:24] <korli> DeadYak: maybe it should reside in libroot.so[20:24:16] <DeadYak> korli: wouldn't libtextencoding make more sense?[20:24:52] <DeadYak> libtranslation was mostly just BTranslationUtils and friends no?[20:25:25] <korli> DeadYak: yeah sure[20:29:41] *** boh666 has quit IRC[20:29:48] <korli> it needs an update btw[20:37:41] <DeadYak> what does, iconv?[20:38:04] <korli> text encoding translation[20:38:45] <Begasus> g'night peeps[20:38:51] <Monni> night Begasus[20:39:27] *** stargater has joined #haiku[20:39:48] *** Begasus has quit IRC[20:44:08] *** stargater has quit IRC[20:48:33] <tqh> seriously the draw code for button and scrollbar is giving me a headache.[20:48:42] <tqh> pretty good obfuscator there.[20:49:26] <tqh> the colors set in the beginning of draw is not really used and so on[20:51:10] <tqh> ow, missed the #if 0 in the beginning[20:55:30] *** Monni has left #Haiku[21:09:18] *** genkie has quit IRC[21:11:51] * mmadia can't even remember how to apply a stinking .diff[21:14:48] * korli gives mmadia a "patch" tool[21:15:13] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[21:15:22] <mmadia> i had trouble figuring out the -p1 part.[21:16:45] *** prOSy has joined #haiku[21:16:49] <prOSy> hi[21:17:15] *** brechtm has joined #haiku[21:18:20] <mmadia> 'lo prOSy[21:18:27] <prOSy> ;)[21:18:28] <mmadia> + brechtm[21:18:59] <brechtm> hey[21:22:09] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[21:23:55] *** Oscar-L has joined #haiku[21:23:57] *** nopper`msi has joined #haiku[21:24:11] <nopper`msi> hi[21:24:25] <Oscar-L> hello.[21:27:56] *** nopper`msi has quit IRC[21:29:53] *** silverpower_ has joined #haiku[21:34:14] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[21:34:27] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[21:36:14] *** luroh has quit IRC[21:44:20] *** korli has quit IRC[21:46:54] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[21:47:17] *** silverpower has quit IRC[21:48:38] *** korli has joined #haiku[21:48:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[21:50:35] <CIA-21> julun * r27892 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/support/List.cpp: * should have been part of r27883[21:52:19] <brechtm> is there a DualHeadSetup for haiku?[21:55:08] *** QuAZ has quit IRC[21:55:43] <Oscar-L> maybe BeOS one will serve you? http://www.bebits.com/app/1401[21:57:01] <Oscar-L> brechtm: only for matrox and nvidia cards, though.[21:57:32] <brechtm> will the R5 bin work?[21:57:39] * brechtm should probably just try it[21:58:32] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[21:59:05] <Oscar-L> yup, I'll guess you should that :) I really don't know if that package is ""in-sync" with current Haiku's drivers, but give it a try...[21:59:40] <Oscar-L> you can always file a bug-report/enhancement ticket after the fact :-)[22:01:11] <brechtm> it does something[22:01:43] <brechtm> but no output on the secondary monitor, just like in BeOS[22:01:59] <Oscar-L> bummer.[22:02:03] <Oscar-L> time to leave this cubicle...[22:02:10] <Oscar-L> later![22:02:17] *** Oscar-L has quit IRC[22:03:30] <brechtm> how can I see which graphics driver is in use?[22:03:53] <HeTo> ls /dev/graphics might give you some hints[22:04:07] <brechtm> obviously :)[22:04:43] <brechtm> 10de_00f1_020000 vesa[22:04:49] <brechtm> any idea what the number could be?[22:04:55] <HeTo> but I think Haiku's driver architechture is quite different from that of BeOS, the drivers aren't compatible[22:07:48] <brechtm> brb, reboot[22:07:50] *** brechtm has quit IRC[22:13:50] *** brechtm has joined #haiku[22:17:10] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[22:18:36] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:18:36] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[22:19:03] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[22:19:28] <CIA-21> julun * r27893 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/mediaplayer/MainApp.cpp: * cleanup[22:20:18] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[22:20:21] <CIA-21> julun * r27894 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/mediaplayer/MainApp.cpp: * correct comment, i've written a small test app and it works the same way on R5[22:20:53] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[22:29:46] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[22:30:12] <mmu_man> plop[22:30:18] *** mmu_man sets mode: +o dr_evil[22:30:33] <dr_evil> hi[22:32:48] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[22:32:51] *** senry-user has quit IRC[22:38:49] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[22:40:57] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[22:44:16] <Barrett666> what is the actual macbook support?[22:44:55] *** mmadia has quit IRC[22:49:05] <brechtm> should KDL modules list vesa or nvidia?[22:50:07] <chandler> I remember that Postmaster went free-as-in-beer quite a while ago, but the author seems to have taken it off of his web site. Does anyone have a copy of the last release lying around?[22:51:08] <korli> brechtm: both[22:51:37] <CIA-21> mmu_man * r27895 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/mediaplayer/ (MainApp.cpp MainApp.h): Fix the gMainApp race on launch in a cleaner way.[22:52:16] <brechtm> korli: I see none :/[22:52:37] <mmu_man> listimage 1 | grep accel[22:52:38] <brechtm> /dev/graphics contains: 10de_00f1_020000 vesa[22:53:55] <korli> eheh so both are loaded[22:54:39] <brechtm> 10de_00f1_020000 is nvidia?[22:55:29] <brechtm> mmu_man: I have no listimage[22:55:37] *** Euver has quit IRC[22:55:47] <brechtm> image compiled yesterday or the day before[22:55:54] <mmu_man> it must be in /bin[22:56:03] <brechtm> oh, not in the KDL :)[22:56:08] <tqh> I see both intel and vesa on my laptop under /dev/graphics btw[22:56:27] <mmu_man> ah :)[22:56:46] <brechtm> the nvidia driver only seems to mention in syslog that its being loaded[22:57:00] <brechtm> vesa shows some steps (init, ..., finish)[22:57:39] <brechtm> but that might be normal though :)[22:58:07] *** korli has quit IRC[22:58:08] <brechtm> listimage outputs no accel[22:58:41] <brechtm> but both vesa and nvidia[23:01:48] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:03:16] <CIA-21> axeld * r27896 /haiku/trunk/src/system/runtime_loader/elf.cpp:[23:03:16] <CIA-21> Applied patch by Romain, thanks!:[23:03:16] <CIA-21> * get_nth_symbol() did not correctly iterate over the symbol hash, causing it[23:03:16] <CIA-21> to return the same symbols more than once, and omit others.[23:03:53] *** MauriceK has joined #haiku[23:05:21] <brechtm> is it normal that both are loaded?[23:06:27] <brechtm> I did get a different list of screenmodes in Screenprefs two consecutive boots[23:08:32] <Rakhun> does anyone know if Haiku works on a USB stick? kinda thinking about dd:ing it to my 256mb USB stick[23:10:01] *** prOSy has quit IRC[23:10:31] *** stoc has quit IRC[23:12:07] <MauriceK> Rakhun: some people had this running successfully quite some time ago, if it still works I don't know[23:13:03] <mmu_man> I did it once on a eeepc[23:13:09] <mmu_man> but last time I tried it didn't work[23:13:11] <mmu_man> YMMV[23:14:51] <Rakhun> ok, thanks :)[23:19:06] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[23:22:30] <brechtm> bedtime for me[23:22:33] <brechtm> g'night[23:22:36] *** brechtm has quit IRC[23:23:34] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:27:35] *** emitrax has quit IRC[23:29:32] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[23:29:59] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[23:30:24] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:32:22] *** urnenfeld has quit IRC[23:36:47] <miqlas> mmu_man, it work now correctly. 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