October 5, 2008 
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October 5, 2008 [00:25:01] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[00:27:28] *** oco has joined #haiku[00:41:16] *** _Lucretia__ has quit IRC[00:45:55] *** tqh has quit IRC[00:48:40] *** brechtm has joined #haiku[00:48:49] <brechtm> good evening[00:49:01] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[00:49:21] * brechtm is "quickly" trying to run Haiku natively[00:50:57] <brechtm> I assume the nvidia driver support widescreen (it did on BeOS)... but I don't know how to configure it[00:56:32] <plfiorini> let me know if you can[00:56:59] <plfiorini> i just made a new bootcd image ready to burn[00:57:15] <plfiorini> i want to see haiku booting on my pc[00:59:10] <brechtm> can't get inet access working[00:59:15] <brechtm> is DHCP supposed to work?[00:59:45] <plfiorini> don't know exactly i'm using it with virtual box[00:59:51] <HeTo> brechtm: yes if the NIC is supported[01:01:05] <brechtm> I have both ipro100 and nforce[01:01:09] *** digitalteufel has joined #haiku[01:01:51] <brechtm> it gets an address different from what it should get (diff network)[01:02:27] <brechtm> it gets an address different from what it should get (diff network)[01:06:06] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[01:06:58][01:07:14] <Barrett> hi[01:08:41] *** wildur has quit IRC[01:12:37] <brechtm> hrm, setting the force_ws option in nvidia.settings makes a mess of the screen after reboot[01:23:05] *** Stefan100 has quit IRC[01:23:45] <brechtm> work being done on dev.haiku-os.org?[01:23:59] <brechtm> lots of error messages[01:25:39] *** quittt has joined #haiku[01:25:44] <quittt> helloooo[01:26:20] <Barrett> hi[01:26:55] <quittt> which is the actual stage of Haiku?[01:27:42] <oco> quittt : almost alpha stage[01:28:46] <quittt> almost alpha... nice[01:29:15] <quittt> when alpha is released, do you think that people will be able to install it and test it?[01:31:11] <thotypous> quittt: it's already possible[01:32:47] <thotypous> but there isn't an installer (you have to manually copy files from the image)[01:33:04] <thotypous> I think the alpha will have an installer, but I'm not sure[01:43:17] <oco> there is already an installer[01:44:13] <thotypous> hm[01:44:16] <thotypous> src/apps/installer[01:44:19] <thotypous> interessanting[01:44:23] <thotypous> I didn't knew :D[01:45:14] <HeTo> the problem is, where do you run the installer from[01:46:02] <thotypous> from qemu or vmware =P[01:46:14] <thotypous> both can access hard disk directly[01:46:46] <thotypous> btw, alpha will have a livecd, won't it?[01:51:09] <brechtm> got networking to work by manually setting IP/gateway/DNS[01:56:03] *** BarrettHaiku has joined #Haiku[02:06:39] <oco> it is possible to boot Haiku with pxe and run the installer from there[02:07:01] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[02:08:43] <oco> but you'll need to configure a tftp server, a DHCP server and use remote_dsik_server (a small program to serve an image)[02:09:00] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[02:16:46] <brechtm> goodnight[02:16:52] *** brechtm has quit IRC[02:25:38] *** BarrettHaiku has quit IRC[02:42:40] *** thebolt|away has quit IRC[02:48:16] <CIA-5> julun * r27871 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/app/Handler.cpp: * cleanup[02:55:38] *** _Lucretia_ has joined #haiku[02:57:31] <Barrett> gnite[02:57:31] <Barrett> <[02:57:41] *** Barrett has quit IRC[03:05:28] *** cobolfoo has left #haiku[03:22:42] *** oco has quit IRC[03:25:28] <CIA-5> julun * r27872 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/app/Handler.cpp: (log message trimmed)[03:25:28] <CIA-5> * fix a nasty bug i introduced with 26383, leaving the looper locked[03:25:28] <CIA-5> * grab the fLooper pointer in some more functions, just to play save[03:25:28] <CIA-5> * remove wrong comment in UnlockLooper, since it's obviously possible to change fLooper[03:25:28] <CIA-5> In case we remove the handler from the loopers handler list, we need to grab the looper[03:25:31] <CIA-5> pointer first, since calling RemoveHandler(...) will call BHandler::SetLooper(...) thus[03:25:33] <CIA-5> setting fLooper to NULL and calling UnlockLooper did nothing, leaving the looper locked.[03:26:26] *** quittt has quit IRC[03:28:55] *** digitalteufel has quit IRC[03:34:05] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[03:37:03] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[03:39:33] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[03:45:35] *** thebolt has joined #haiku[04:00:22] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[04:05:07] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[04:06:10] <DeadYak> where's BGA when you need him....[04:06:18] *** senry-user has quit IRC[04:20:57] *** helf|next has joined #haiku[04:21:00] <helf|next> hola[04:21:06] <DeadYak> yo[04:21:17] <helf|next> finally got my NeXT online. :)[04:21:21] <DeadYak> so I see[04:24:24] <helf|next> brb[04:30:01] *** mmadia has quit IRC[04:44:35] *** thotypous has quit IRC[05:08:19] *** criso has joined #Haiku[06:07:06] *** UndeadYak has joined #haiku[06:13:22] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[06:13:23] *** UndeadYak is now known as DeadYak[06:24:00] *** criso has quit IRC[06:35:09] <helf|next> hi[07:19:26] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[07:19:38] * helf|next yawns[07:43:58] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[07:51:53] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[08:07:49] *** knuckles_ekb has joined #haiku[08:34:14] *** Euver has joined #haiku[09:18:08] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[09:39:42] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[09:39:59] <Begasus> moin[09:46:31] *** tqh has joined #haiku[09:49:31] <Monni> goede morgen Begasus[09:49:54] <Begasus> goede morgen Monni[09:57:23] *** Qu4Z has joined #haiku[10:11:22] <Monni> Begasus: I have so many addresses in my address book that Facebook import tool crashes when trying to import and match them ;)[10:11:47] <Begasus> doesn't suprise me there Monni :P[10:12:54] <Monni> Begasus: Last time I checked I had almost 300 addresses...[10:22:12] *** stargater has joined #haiku[10:43:27] *** databridge has joined #haiku[10:54:15] <Begasus> Monni, http://image69.webshots.com/669/1/16/94/2769116940101838101rAArco_fs.jpg[10:54:29] <Begasus> we had our socialization test yesterday with the dogs ;)[10:59:51] *** stargater has quit IRC[11:00:14] <Monni> Begasus: Isn't that just excuse for doggy blind dates ;)[11:00:45] <Begasus> you're perv :P[11:00:46] *** xcasex has joined #haiku[11:01:03] <Monni> Begasus: That's what separates men and boys...[11:01:18] <Begasus> it's an excuse for their bosses to get out and socialize :P[11:02:06] <Monni> Begasus: Well... I don't need to go out to socialize... Like I told.... last gf I had came to me.... stuck like a glue...[11:02:44] <Begasus> that's not socializing :P[11:03:59] <Monni> Begasus: Well.. We went out together... People did talk about it even after 7 months... so it was pretty much a social event...[11:05:15] <Monni> Begasus: It even got into local paper ;)[11:05:43] <Begasus> :P[11:12:21] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[11:13:32] *** Barrett is now known as Barrett666[11:17:44] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[11:17:59] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[11:18:48] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[11:20:11] <Monni> coffee ;)[11:21:50] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[11:29:42] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[11:29:54] <miqlas> Hello![11:30:05] <miqlas> Is somebody can help to me in html?[11:33:19] <Monni> what's html ;)[11:34:10] <Barrett666> lol[11:34:32] <miqlas> I have an blog here: http://boly.hu/~miqlas/[11:34:39] <Monni> cheese cake ;)[11:35:16] <miqlas> And i have a small problem. If You check the footer, You can see, the gray area is not full width, but an another page it have full size. I don't know, why.[11:36:12] <Monni> well... rest of the page fills whole width neither...[11:36:15] *** warpdesign has joined #haiku[11:36:47] <miqlas> Only the footer need be full width.[11:37:24] <Begasus> it's default width miqlas[11:38:07] <miqlas> Begasus, sorry, i don't understand You.[11:38:28] <Begasus> all blog kinda site's don't use full width[11:38:28] <miqlas> The footer is not full width, but only on the front page. Every other page have full size footer.[11:38:48] <Begasus> ah[11:38:52] <Begasus> strange ...[11:39:31] <Monni> miqlas: validating the page gives missing closing div-tag[11:39:47] <miqlas> An div closed somewhere? Or the content make this bug?[11:39:56] <miqlas> Can You giv an link to this validator?[11:40:00] <Monni> not closed somewhere ;)[11:40:23] <miqlas> Ah, please, give me the link, and i try to close it.[11:40:46] <Monni> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fboly.hu%2F~miqlas%2F[11:41:00] <Monni> lots of errors ;)[11:41:08] <miqlas> Thanks![11:41:46] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[11:44:23] <Monni> you should start with fixing all those "XML Parsing Error" entries...[11:47:01] *** Stefan100 has joined #haiku[11:47:59] <miqlas> I try...[11:50:17] <MrSunshine> humm has jam haiku-image changed in some way?[11:50:48] <Monni> miqlas: look at line 188 with <object> tag...[11:51:18] <miqlas> Check...[11:52:09] <Monni> miqlas: <div> tag at start of that line should be closed before </p> on next line...[11:52:47] <miqlas> Thank You.[11:53:03] <Monni> I'm not as stupid as I look ;)[12:01:36] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[12:17:53] <MrSunshine> ...failed BuildHaikuImage1 /dev/sda8 ...[12:17:53] <MrSunshine> ...removing /dev/sda8[12:18:03] <MrSunshine> why the hell does it remove the damn file if it fails? :/[12:18:13] <MrSunshine> and is it jam or is it a script that does it ?[12:18:22] <MrSunshine> cant find any "removing" in the build folder[12:20:36] <Monni> it's jam bug, known one ;)[12:21:49] <MrSunshine> Error: Mounting FS failed: Invalid argument[12:21:49] <MrSunshine> Error: Failed to open connection to FS shell: No such file or directory[12:21:52] <MrSunshine> that one then? :/[12:22:00] <Monni> known ;)[12:22:58] <Monni> recreate device node ;)[12:25:14] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[12:27:48] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[12:28:17] <tqh> sda8? He must have many drives.[12:28:43] <tqh> er partitions[12:32:10] *** databridge has quit IRC[12:33:05] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[12:33:48] *** hbhth has joined #haiku[12:35:25] *** hr357 has joined #haiku[12:36:13] *** hr357 has left #haiku[12:37:07] <Monni> not necessarily... logical partitions normally start from number 5[12:38:04] <Monni> numbers 1 to 4 are reserved for primary and extended partitions[12:39:46] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[12:47:08] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[12:51:34] *** brechtm has joined #haiku[12:51:38] <brechtm> hello[12:53:07] <Monni> is that something to eat ;)?[12:55:50] <tqh> still alot to me :)[12:57:37] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[12:59:37] <brechtm> is there any way to manually set the screen resolution in Haiku?[13:00:04] <brechtm> Screen prefs doesn't list the native mode of my LCD panel[13:01:44] *** sprma has joined #haiku[13:03:54] <Begasus> hi brechtm ![13:03:59] <Begasus> long time no see[13:04:22] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[13:04:27] <Monni> I'm pretty sure there is geek way of overriding resolution...[13:04:29] <Begasus> DaaT, !![13:04:37] <DaaT> Begasus!![13:04:44] * Begasus slaps DaaT for being absent that long !![13:04:50] * DaaT slaps Begasus back[13:04:51] <DaaT> :)[13:04:54] <DaaT> how are you?[13:04:55] <Begasus> thnx ;)[13:04:55] <brechtm> hey Begasus[13:04:58] <Begasus> fine thnx[13:05:04] <brechtm> been busy with other things :/[13:05:08] <Begasus> still pretty occupied with the dogs ;)[13:05:12] <Begasus> http://begasus.blogspot.com/2008/10/socialization-test.html[13:05:17] <Begasus> did that yesterday with our dogs[13:05:29] <Begasus> back from holliday brechtm? ;)[13:05:46] <Monni> "holiday" ;)[13:05:50] <brechtm> yes, but that was only a small part of the time :)[13:05:51] <Begasus> there he is ;)[13:05:53] <Begasus> hehe[13:06:17] <Monni> Begasus: Didn't go anywhere... You just did write less typos than usually...[13:06:36] <brechtm> got a new PC to serve as a server and HTPC[13:06:45] <Begasus> so I'm getting better Monni ? ^^[13:06:56] <DaaT> Begasus: you have to take your dogs to do that test, before you can walk them in the streets?[13:06:58] <brechtm> figuring out Linux SW RAID too me a while :)[13:07:12] <Monni> Begasus: Yeah... But I need to write more typos to keep things in balance ;)[13:07:19] <Begasus> nah DaaT ... it's just that you need that paper to complete obedience ...[13:07:42] <Begasus> lol[13:07:53] <Begasus> quite a task there brechtm[13:08:03] <DaaT> Begasus: ah ok[13:08:33] <Monni> Begasus: When your dogs start watching Garfield reruns on TV, you know they completed the _real_ socialization test ;) My cat already does watch Lassie on TV ;)[13:08:36] <Begasus> we've been amongs people from the day we picked them up from the breeder ;)[13:08:47] <Begasus> lol Monni[13:09:16] <DaaT> Begasus: you too? poor people[13:09:17] <DaaT> :D[13:09:23] <Monni> lol[13:09:33] <Begasus> tring to prove that husky's do listen (when they are into it) :P[13:09:43] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[13:09:58] *** oco has joined #haiku[13:10:21] <brechtm> Begasus: fine-looking dogs[13:10:37] <Begasus> thnx brechtm ... that's why we like them so much ;)[13:10:53] <brechtm> so, when do you start sledding? :)[13:11:06] <Begasus> well .. when it starts snowing here? ;)[13:11:11] <Monni> Begasus: When you really like your pets.... you start using their names as online nicks... like me ;)[13:11:20] <brechtm> here kitty[13:11:27] * brechtm pets Monni[13:11:34] <Begasus> nah ... we wont be competing in any of the sleddog races ...[13:11:58] <Begasus> this nick has lasted quite a while Monni ... . no need to change it :P[13:12:10] <Monni> Begasus: Well... you need reindeer costume for your dogs to make it look realistic ;)[13:12:29] <Monni> Begasus: I've used this one since I started using BeShare...[13:12:31] <Begasus> they run after it Monni ... not behind it :p[13:12:42] <Begasus> about the same here[13:12:57] <Begasus> BeOS did the trick ;)[13:13:10] <Monni> damn BeOS ;)[13:13:27] <Begasus> 0_o[13:16:03] <Monni> Begasus: What's really funny is that a few of my friends were too lazy to memorize my real name that when I changed my e-mail address, they got lost ;)[13:17:56] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[13:17:56] <dr_evil> i wouldn't call them friends[13:18:07] <Begasus> your nick is easier to remember then your real name :P[13:18:08] *** senry-user has quit IRC[13:18:24] * DaaT agrees with dr_evil[13:18:29] <Monni> Begasus: My old e-mail address did contain my real name ;)[13:19:13] <Begasus> figures ... :p[13:19:43] <Monni> Begasus: I just changed that my e-mail matches my Live ID...[13:19:52] <brechtm> off to test nvidia.settings again[13:19:53] *** brechtm has quit IRC[13:21:56] *** luroh has quit IRC[13:22:23] *** korli has joined #haiku[13:22:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[13:26:40] *** knuckles_ekb has quit IRC[13:26:56] *** knuckles_ekb has joined #haiku[13:30:21] *** Euver has quit IRC[13:30:40] *** Euver has joined #haiku[13:39:37] *** MauriceK has joined #haiku[13:41:15] *** brechtm has joined #haiku[13:42:13] <brechtm> I used to be able to have 1680x1050 on BeOS though[13:45:56] <brechtm> how do I know whether Haiku is using the VESA driver or the nvidia diver?[13:46:48] <brechtm> looking at syslog, it seems that VESA is being used[13:47:30] <Monni> KDL should show which drivers are loaded... if nvidia is loaded, it should be in use[13:48:08] <brechtm> F12, right?[13:48:17] <brechtm> can I save KDL output to a file?[13:48:32] <Monni> only if you capture the serial output[13:49:25] <brechtm> modules | grep nvidia does not list anything[13:50:11] <brechtm> quite nice to discover grep in the KDL, BTW :)[13:50:54] <Monni> it's not only a debugger, it's base of the operating system ;)[13:51:44] <Monni> you can even crash KDL, but only thing it does is rewind...[13:53:10] <brechtm> I'll look at it another time[13:53:28] <brechtm> see you[13:53:30] *** brechtm has quit IRC[14:01:38] *** baaina has joined #haiku[14:11:40] *** naaina has quit IRC[14:15:35] <warpdesign> hi[14:15:48] <warpdesign> when can we expect the first alpha of haiku ?[14:22:19] <Monni> year 3000?[14:24:40] <tqh> Real Soon Now(tm) ?[14:24:50] *** sprma has quit IRC[14:28:40] <Monni> 8305? ;)[14:30:05] *** stargater has joined #haiku[14:30:09] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[14:30:42] <stargater> Hi @all[14:31:04] <tqh> hi $![14:31:14][14:32:36] <tqh> if we ever get to ff3 I'm gonna create a kickass hg repo for Haiku FF[14:33:05] <Monni> by the time you get to that, there is ff5 for other operating systems ;)[14:35:32] <tqh> nah, we'll go to trunk directly. Worst thing that can happen is that they added other third party libs that ara PITA to port.[14:38:07] <Monni> if things are hard to port, then it's just best to rewrite or reuse similar existing native libraries ;)[14:39:40] <tqh> Bit hard when mozilla.org says that everyone must use Cairo[14:40:01] <Monni> well... screw them ;)[14:40:06] *** stargater has quit IRC[14:42:52] <Monni> I get few calls from Gnome users to local help desk... I just plain say to them that it's unsupported and tell them to use something more usable ;)[14:45:06] <Monni> I just hate when UI developers start writing userland drivers that depend on the UI framework...[14:46:51] <Monni> maybe I try Gnome for one hour when they reduce the disk usage to half of what it's now.... Same goes for any other framework I really don't need...[14:47:25] <dr_evil> Monni you work at a help desk? puhh[14:47:45] <Monni> dr_evil: No... I own it ;)[14:49:52] <Monni> I'm pretty sure no-one would pay 200 EUR an hour to someone who works at a help desk ;)[14:52:14] <dr_evil> I don't care how much you get payed, as long as you lose "friends" who don't know your name by changing your email address[14:53:00] <Monni> lol[14:53:20] *** CIA-5 has quit IRC[14:54:34] *** MauriceK has quit IRC[14:55:14] *** warpdesign has quit IRC[14:57:56] *** luroh has joined #haiku[14:58:05] *** CIA-5 has joined #haiku[14:58:18] *** adrianors has joined #haiku[15:01:15] * DaaT just bought an iPod[15:01:22] <DaaT> BUT, for rockbox, so I'm not ashamed[15:01:23] <DaaT> :P[15:01:31] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[15:07:02] *** adrianors has quit IRC[15:10:17] *** leszek has joined #haiku[15:10:34] <leszek> hi[15:14:02] *** miqlas has quit IRC[15:14:41] <CIA-5> bonefish * r27876 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Moved several VM related debug settings to kernel_debug_config.h.[15:15:37] *** kr1stof has left #haiku[15:25:35] *** Euver has quit IRC[15:34:02] *** Barrett666_ has joined #haiku[15:35:38] *** Barrett666_ has quit IRC[15:35:47] *** Barrett666_ has joined #haiku[15:38:02] <helf|next> morning[15:41:43] *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC[15:41:48] *** _Lucretia__ has joined #haiku[15:50:17] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[15:54:19] *** korli has quit IRC[15:59:37] *** Barrett666_ has quit IRC[16:01:11] *** korli has joined #haiku[16:01:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[16:01:32] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[16:01:35] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[16:01:50] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[16:03:33] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[16:04:01] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[16:19:04] *** oco has quit IRC[16:22:41] *** ThomasShirley_ has joined #haiku[16:22:45] <ThomasShirley_> Hello.[16:22:57] *** ThomasShirley_ is now known as ThomasShirley[16:24:35] *** stoc has joined #haiku[16:25:43] <ThomasShirley> Haiku is coming along nicely guys, good work![16:30:55] *** hbhth has quit IRC[16:39:18] *** dchis has joined #haiku[16:45:54] *** Euver has joined #haiku[16:51:54] *** CIA-5 has quit IRC[16:52:13] *** oco has joined #haiku[17:01:50] *** helf|next has quit IRC[17:03:20] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[17:03:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[17:04:55] *** oco has quit IRC[17:05:12] *** CIA-5 has joined #haiku[17:06:27] <CIA-5> bonefish * r27877 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/vm/VMAnonymousCache.cpp: (log message trimmed)[17:06:29] <CIA-5> * Fixed several instances of conversions from page to byte counts. We[17:06:31] <CIA-5> need to cast explicitly before the multiplication/shift, since the[17:06:33] <CIA-5> former is 32 bit and the latter 64 bit. The worst instance was in[17:06:35] <CIA-5> swap_file_add(), where the page count was int32, so that swap file[17:06:38] <CIA-5> sizes between 2 and 4 GB resulted in a negative available swap space[17:06:39] <CIA-5> size. Fixes bug #2721.[17:08:05] <mmu_man> funny[17:08:12] <tqh> ?[17:09:44] <mmu_man> negative avail :)[17:10:18] <dr_evil> haha, thats the same bug as in #2021[17:10:39] <dr_evil> converting 32 bit > 2GB to uint64 results in negative numbers[17:11:13] <tqh> does coverty find things like that?[17:12:51] <tqh> mmu_man, is the usb webcam in the ordinary build?[17:13:02] <mmu_man> should be[17:13:14] <tqh> ah then I should try it on my laptop[17:13:30] <mmu_man> yes it is[17:13:38] <mmu_man> but it won't work likely[17:13:44] <mmu_man> it *only* supports mine[17:14:03] <mmu_man> all usb webcams pre-2007 use their own ugly undocumented protocol[17:14:25] <mmu_man> there is provision to support other models but it's not working yet[17:14:33] <mmu_man> first check which it is[17:14:57] <mmu_man> dr_evil was the same with R5 and cpu freq :)[17:15:12] <tqh> this one seems to report a lot of things like formats and such in linux and lsusb[17:16:23] *** _Lucretia__ has quit IRC[17:16:57] <CIA-5> bonefish * r27878 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/vm/VMAnonymousCache.cpp: Yay, infinite loop when debug output is disabled.[17:17:44] *** _Lucretia_ has joined #haiku[17:20:07] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[17:22:38] *** ddew|bofh has joined #haiku[17:22:40] <ddew|bofh> lo ladies[17:23:57] <ddew|bofh> anyone remember who it was that was working on supporting the realtek chip in the aspire one?[17:25:30] *** korli has quit IRC[17:27:05] <luroh> ddew|bofh: that was DHowett, http://www.freelists.org/archives/haiku-development/09-2008/msg00165.html[17:27:33] <ddew|bofh> yeah, you know if he's still working on it?[17:27:40] <luroh> no idea[17:28:11] <ddew|bofh> i installed haiku as main os on my aspire yesterday and except for the lack of networking it rocks[17:28:17] <ddew|bofh> it's really wicked fast :)[17:28:48] <luroh> nice :)[17:28:52] <ddew|bofh> even did some demos of haiku to some non-techies and they were pretty impressed[17:29:29] <ddew|bofh> people have this idea about netbooks that they're single-tasking devices[17:30:58] <ddew|bofh> running firefox, running some demo apps and building the tree without any noticable slowdown was muy impressado[17:51:09] *** baaina is now known as naaina[17:59:59] <ThomasShirley> Hello Folks, is there a roadmap for Haiku anywhere?[18:02:05] <DeadYak> roadmap in what sense?[18:03:09] *** MauriceK has joined #haiku[18:03:21] * DeadYak pets MauriceK[18:03:36] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[18:03:44] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[18:03:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[18:03:53] <MauriceK> hey DeadYak[18:04:06] <DeadYak> MauriceK: how's it going?[18:07:06] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[18:07:21] * mmadia pings tqh[18:08:47] *** markos_ has quit IRC[18:09:33] <MauriceK> DeadYak: lots of things to do... returned from my hometown yesterday night, have a workshop in southern germany this week etc. In approximately 2 weeks I'll be "home" for some time at least[18:09:54] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[18:16:05] <DeadYak> MauriceK: ah[18:18:27] *** oco has joined #haiku[18:18:28] *** boh666 has joined #haiku[18:19:52] <ThomasShirley> DeadYak: As in, things on the ToDo list. Or is the dynamic for Haiku slightly different? ;)[18:20:03] *** dchis has quit IRC[18:20:47] <ddew|bofh> http://dev.haiku-os.org/roadmap[18:20:50] <ddew|bofh> there you go :)[18:21:20] <ddew|bofh> it's as accurate as they come[18:21:36] <ThomasShirley> Ah, thankyou[18:21:41] <ddew|bofh> the milestone to keep track of atm is R1/Alpha[18:21:56] <ddew|bofh> that's the first stop anyhoo[18:23:43] <ThomasShirley> How quickly are tickets being resolved, just out of interest? I see 1806 closed, 669 remaining, that number moving quickly?[18:23:49] <DeadYak> varies[18:23:55] <Monni> first stop is KDL... atleast when it's abrupt ;)[18:24:00] <DeadYak> bear in mind everyone who works on this is doing so entirely in free time[18:24:01] <ddew|bofh> it's been pretty quick lately[18:26:10] <ThomasShirley> Very nice. It's come on leaps and bounds since I last checked in[18:26:33] <ddew|bofh> the selfhostedness really helps :)[18:26:48] <ddew|bofh> makes driver development a lot less painful[18:29:55] *** hbhth has joined #haiku[18:30:12] *** hbhth has quit IRC[18:38:26] <ThomasShirley> selfhostedness?[18:38:50] <ddew|bofh> yeah, my nomiker for being albe to compile haiku in haiku[18:38:55] <Monni> compiling Haiku inside Haiku ;)[18:39:05] <ThomasShirley> Ahh[18:39:06] *** oco has quit IRC[18:39:07] <ddew|bofh> meaning you don't have to infect your machine with linux to build haiku[18:39:17] <ThomasShirley> Heh, nicely put.[18:39:25] <ThomasShirley> Is there a driver list for Haiku?[18:39:53] <ddew|bofh> not really, but haikuware.com has a list of working hardware[18:39:56] <tqh> mmadia, hi[18:40:05] <ddew|bofh> not extremely extensive but it's a good starting point[18:41:08] <mmadia> tqh . for the re-ordering patches, i'm pretty sure the patches are complete, although they may need to be updated. ...[18:41:08] <ThomasShirley> Haiku has a network stack, doesn't it?[18:41:12] <ddew|bofh> best bet is really to ask about specific hardware, odds are someone's already used that device with haiku[18:41:23] <ddew|bofh> haiku's got a netstack, and a pretty good one at that[18:41:34] <tqh> mmadia, they do. We need it defined for Haiku as well[18:41:42] <mmadia> tqh -but- re-ordered binaries put the pinch on r5's 32mb add-on space.[18:42:45] <mmadia> which is why i stopped pushing for the patched for beos.[18:43:02] *** xcasex[w1rk] has quit IRC[18:43:03] <tqh> mmadia, I think we should deprecate beos anyway[18:43:45] <mmadia> do you think it'd be possible to have only Haiku build with re-ordering?[18:43:48] <ddew|bofh> working on the fairefox kludges?[18:43:54] <ddew|bofh> *firefox[18:44:11] <AnEvilYak> ThomasShirley: it most definitely has a network stack, else this box would have a fun time being online :)[18:44:23] <leszek> ;)[18:44:40] <leszek> 67 hours without any crash new personal record haiku r27861[18:44:43] <tqh> mmadia, yes as soon as my configure changes are commited :)[18:44:56] <tqh> mmadia, but a very good idea.[18:45:16] <mmadia> ok, i'm content with that :)[18:45:39] <tqh> mmadia, me too.[18:45:57] <tqh> If my tree wasn't full of changes I'd apply those as well[18:46:09] <ThomasShirley> AnEvilYak: Do you use Haiku day to day?[18:46:16] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[18:46:23] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[18:46:46] <AnEvilYak> ThomasShirley: I work on it when I have time, besides that mostly stress testing it at this point[18:46:51] *** DaaT has quit IRC[18:46:56] <ThomasShirley> AnEvilYak: Ah, I see.[18:47:07] <mmadia> tqh my beos + haiku machines are still laying in pieces. Some hard drive's needed to be RMA'd (luckily no data was on them yet)[18:47:46] <tqh> mmadia, you can always start crosscompiling from linux :)[18:48:33] *** xcasex[work] has joined #haiku[18:50:35] <ThomasShirley> Haiku is fast ;)[18:50:46] <tqh> it's also lightweight.[18:51:59] <tqh> mmadia, I have one more bug to squash then I might have a really nice firefox build.[18:52:09] <leszek> nice :D[18:52:22] <leszek> tqh did you notice haiku crashing when installing addons ?[18:52:25] <tqh> it may even be a Haiku bug :)[18:52:44] <mmadia> tqh ok... i'll get on getting a beos-haiku machine up and running.[18:52:54] <ThomasShirley> Firefox, nice :)[18:53:06] <ThomasShirley> Is there a homegrown browser?[18:53:13] <mmadia> i really don't want to start fiddling with linux.[18:53:18] <leszek> tqh or is it fixed already?[18:53:22] <tqh> mmadia, I understand[18:53:29] <tqh> ThomasShirley, not at this point.[18:53:36] <tqh> I'd love to make one though.[18:53:37] <ThomasShirley> Ok.[18:53:53] <ddew|bofh> there's a port of webkit being worked on sporadically[18:54:02] <DeadYak> ThomasShirley: one of our guys started working on porting webkit in order to do a homegrown browser but he's been short on time lately[18:54:26] <tqh> you gotta have your own parser and layout engine :)[18:54:43] <tqh> we can call it HHtml or BHtml :)[18:55:04] <tqh> or weblib :)[18:55:10] <ThomasShirley> Seems pretty active in the world of Haiku then, really nice to see[18:57:15] <leszek> tqh, adding addons to firefox produces a crash on haiku, is the bug known or should I open a new ticket ?[18:57:42] <tqh> leszek, any addon?[18:58:21] <tqh> I'll look into it.[18:58:30] <leszek> any addon[18:58:37] <leszek> it crashed when trying to install[18:58:44] <leszek> *crashes[18:58:45] <HeTo> there's also a preliminary port of NetSurf[18:59:15] *** dchis has joined #haiku[18:59:36] <ThomasShirley> Whats the best way to install into Haiku, SVN?[19:00:16] <leszek> ThomasShirley, what !?[19:00:29] <ThomasShirley> Installing software on Haiku[19:00:39] <leszek> the best way would be downloading binary packages ;)[19:01:11] <leszek> bebits.com haikuware.com osdrawer.net are sites with Haiku Software[19:02:03] <ThomasShirley> Does haiku have anything like synaptic, or will I need to manually install?[19:02:47] <leszek> ThomasShirley, it works easy as pie[19:03:00] <leszek> you only have to extract the zip archive and start the app[19:03:04] <ThomasShirley> Indulge me..[19:03:07] <leszek> works almost as on macos x[19:03:22] <leszek> there is no need to have synaptic[19:03:37] <ThomasShirley> Heh, but with no web browser I have to download one first?[19:03:46] <Monni> wget ;)[19:03:47] <DeadYak> wget![19:03:56] <ThomasShirley> Ah![19:04:05] <ThomasShirley> Thankyou :)[19:04:14] <leszek> lol[19:05:14] <ThomasShirley> I have never ventured quite so far into Haiku, as to install software[19:05:31] <DeadYak> wget http://www.yellowbites.com/downloads/Firefox-2.0.0.12.zip for a web browser, albeit not the latest one[19:06:56] *** mmadia42 has joined #haiku[19:07:13] <ThomasShirley> I suppose the question to ask would be is there a driver for the VMWare network card?[19:07:17] <leszek> ThomasShirley, but you should upgrade ff as fast as possible ;)[19:07:35] <leszek> ThomasShirley, yes should be included[19:07:44] <mmadia42> updating a haiku tree now, tqh[19:07:45] <AnEvilYak> ThomasShirley: tell vmware to use the e1000 mode and yes.[19:09:54] <ThomasShirley> There we go :)[19:10:19] <leszek> bbl[19:10:24] *** leszek has quit IRC[19:11:18] <AnEvilYak> I'll bbl also, need to unpack some more stuff[19:11:46] *** adb has joined #haiku[19:13:04] <mmadia42> tqh are you using a gcc2 , gcc4, or a hybrid haiku?[19:13:30] <tqh> gcc4[19:13:43] <tqh> was easiest as I run 64 bit linux[19:14:29] <tqh> the short story of how I build Haiku is in the beginning here: http://wiki.bebits.com/page/CrosscompilingFirefox[19:14:30] *** Euver has quit IRC[19:20:04] *** boh666 has quit 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newer nvidia cards do everthing through shader processors[20:18:42] <ddew|bofh> *everything[20:18:51] *** Begasus has quit IRC[20:19:18] <brechtm> I assume it doesn't replace the nvidia driver, but rather extends it?[20:19:32] <ddew|bofh> atm it doesn't do anything afaict[20:19:48] <ddew|bofh> but i'm guessing it won't replace the older driver[20:20:38] <ddew|bofh> i'm thinking it's like the nvidia drivers, the new one (supporting gpgpu) for the newer cards and a legacy driver for older chips[20:20:56] <brechtm> is gpgpu related to "graphics C", or whatsitcalled[20:21:19] <ddew|bofh> yup[20:21:39] <ddew|bofh> cuda[20:21:44] <ddew|bofh> it rocks :)[20:22:50] *** mmadia42 has quit IRC[20:23:59] *** databridge has quit IRC[20:24:01] *** umccullough_lap has quit IRC[20:25:59] *** [1]umccullough has quit IRC[20:28:59] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[20:31:08] <brechtm> I thought they would eventually be doing raytracing on GPUs :)[20:33:47] <AnEvilYak> nvidia_gpgpu is for G80+ cards[20:33:58] <AnEvilYak> they're different enough that Rudolf is doing them as a separate driver[20:34:06] *** mmadia has quit IRC[20:34:07] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[20:35:39] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[20:41:13] *** leszek has joined #haiku[20:41:59] <tqh> checkout the youtube on realtime raytracing on radeon 4870.[20:43:05] <leszek> re[20:43:16] <ddew|bofh> i ran that demo on my gtx280, cuda raytracing rocks :)[20:43:33] <ddew|bofh> well, maybe not _that_ demo. but realtime raytracing anyhoo[20:44:13] <brechtm> tqh: how's Flash support on Haiku these days? :)[20:44:36] <tqh> nonexistant[20:44:46] *** adb has quit IRC[20:44:48] <tqh> blame adobe[20:45:03] <brechtm> :)[20:45:18] <leszek> ah I am happy that adobe is not porting anything of this flash code to haiku[20:45:49] <leszek> gnash is getting better and better every version[20:45:58] <leszek> its a better alternative[20:46:04] <brechtm> libflash == gnash?[20:46:34] *** MauriceK_haiku has quit IRC[20:46:35] <DeadYak> getting better but by and large still sucks :)[20:47:27] *** MauriceK has quit IRC[20:48:01] <umccullough> is there a comparison chart somewhere between gnash, swfdec, and the official flash?[20:48:19] <mmu_man> google ?[20:48:32] <umccullough> bah ;)[20:48:54] *** adb has joined #haiku[20:52:04] <leszek> gnash is able to render youtubevideos and thats all thats necessary for me at least[20:52:23] <leszek> but flash in general sucks a little bit[20:53:06] <leszek> umccullough, the only thing I can tell you gnash and swfdec are a hell lot faster than adobes player (here on ZevenOS at last)[20:53:08] <leszek> *least[20:53:48] <DeadYak> that's not surprising, Adobe's linux plugin sucks[20:53:54] <umccullough> heh, crappy port?[20:53:59] <DeadYak> yes.[20:54:19] <DeadYak> gnash/swfdec still suck compared to the windows / osx flash implementations though[20:54:26] <umccullough> yeah, i was wondering[20:55:31] <leszek> umccullough, osx flash sucks aswell[20:55:37] <DeadYak> news to me[20:55:37] <umccullough> heh[20:55:47] <tqh> so to sum up...[20:55:51] <leszek> it has the same problem then the linux port, its really really slow[20:55:52] <umccullough> flash sucks[20:55:54] <DeadYak> works pretty nicely on my girlfriend's mac[20:55:54] <leszek> and buggy[20:56:08] <leszek> DeadYak, its a intel based isn't it ?[20:56:11] <DeadYak> yes.[20:56:17] <leszek> that the reason[20:56:17] *** adb has quit IRC[20:56:32] <DeadYak> and your point is?[20:56:34] <leszek> those intel machines are fast enough, so you would not feel the slowness[20:56:39] <DeadYak> whatever.[20:56:54] <leszek> on an G5 or G4 you can see how buggy and slow it is[20:56:55] <DeadYak> it's using pretty negligible CPU time[20:57:03] <brechtm> I cannot checkout a small part of the haiku tree and then build that using the Jamfile?[20:57:11] <brechtm> for example the nvidia driver[20:57:16] <DeadYak> brechtm: no, the Jamfiles rely on a bunch of stuff in the build/jam dir[20:57:21] <leszek> and if you have a site with many flash video streams for example only one of the is rendered[20:57:24] <DeadYak> they're not self contained.[20:57:31] <DeadYak> leszek: not here[20:57:51] <umccullough> brechtm, and also a lot of the headers are spread into headers/private[20:57:54] <leszek> DeadYak, then perhaps its an firefox problem or the ppc version of flash sucks[20:58:02] <DeadYak> I would bet on a combination of both[20:58:08] <DeadYak> haven't been too impressed by Mac firefox[20:58:08] <leszek> might be[20:58:15] <leszek> me too[20:58:28] <umccullough> compared to chrome, firefox on windows is even slow ;)[20:58:38] <DeadYak> actually, haven't been impressed by Firefox on anything other than windows, and even there I've uninstalled it in favor of Chrome[20:58:43] <leszek> safari is much faster and webkit blows the hell out of your mind, its impressively fast[20:59:12] <umccullough> i'm not sure gecko is the problem with firefox...so much as the use of XUL/JS for much of the app[20:59:24] <DeadYak> umccullough: more like crappy overengineered cross platform architecture[20:59:26] <leszek> DeadYak, on zevenos I only use epiphany, its the kind of browser i wish firefox to be[20:59:39] <umccullough> DeadYak, yeah, bit of cruft there i'm sure[20:59:46] <leszek> its based on gecko btw.[20:59:52] <DeadYak> umccullough: you can tell it's very heavily designed for GDI[20:59:52] <umccullough> it runs on gecko[21:00:05] <brechtm> ZevenOS... another OS?[21:00:13] <DeadYak> = Linux distro[21:00:18] <umccullough> epiphany is switching to webkit, right?[21:00:18] <brechtm> ah[21:00:20] <DeadYak> used to be known as Zebuntu[21:00:23] <brechtm> nevermind then :)[21:01:16] *** JMReis has joined #haiku[21:01:46] <leszek> umccullough, yep[21:01:55] <brechtm> it only looks like BeOS.. or is there more?[21:02:10] <leszek> yab apps will run[21:02:22] <leszek> as long as they aren't compiled[21:02:47] <leszek> but its buggy as team maui stopped the port of yab to linux[21:03:31] <leszek> ZevenOS intends to be the "day to day" OS for working until Haiku is ready to take over this part[21:03:57] <leszek> therefor it has a familiar interface[21:05:36] <leszek> and its also there for some old ZETA customers that want a system they can use (probably a sucessor of ZETA somehow), we have quite a lot of those users[21:05:46] <brechtm> I see[21:05:56] <leszek> but enough of that this is the haiku channel ;)[21:06:20] <umccullough> haiku is ready! (j/k)[21:06:23] * brechtm points at leszek and shouts "ADVERTISER!!"[21:06:46] <umccullough> speaking of advertising crappy distros...gOS sucks[21:06:54] <umccullough> just in case anyone cares :)[21:06:59] <leszek> :)[21:07:50] <umccullough> we spoke with the CEO of thinkgos at LW...hopefully he'll consider a gOS based on Haiku someday ;)[21:08:32] <leszek> that would be nice ;) but to much advertisement for google , I have a bad feelin' about this[21:08:50] *** Kohvihoor has joined #haiku[21:08:56] <umccullough> google?[21:09:05] <umccullough> gOS isn't made by google though[21:09:23] <umccullough> just cuz it uses google gadgets doesn't mean much[21:11:41] <umccullough> leszek, zeven based on xfce?[21:12:58] <leszek> based on sawfish with xfcedesktop for the desktop icons and optional xfce-panel if you prefer a classic panel[21:14:06] <leszek> gOS is not made by google I know, but its hardly supporting it[21:14:22] <leszek> gOS is supporting google I mean not vice versa[21:18:10] <brechtm> I'm off[21:18:12] <brechtm> ciao[21:18:13] *** brechtm has quit IRC[21:20:24] *** VinDuv[Haiku] has joined #haiku[21:22:39] *** adb has joined #haiku[21:23:35] <umccullough> leszek, yeah, it definitely tries to play off google's success for sure ;)[21:23:54] <umccullough> gOS was gonna switch window managers in the near future, to lwce IIRC[21:24:40] <umccullough> or whatever it's called...[21:24:47] <leszek> lxde ?[21:24:50] <umccullough> yeah[21:24:58] <umccullough> i was just looking that up ;)[21:25:01] <leszek> nice, its a very lightweight desktop[21:25:13] <umccullough> they're trying to pander to the netbook market[21:25:13] <leszek> but not usable on a desktop system yet[21:25:37] <umccullough> yeah, talking with their people at LW, sounds like they're just waiting for it to mature[21:26:03] <umccullough> ah, apparently gOS 3.x already uses it[21:26:16] *** stargater has joined #haiku[21:26:30] <umccullough> funny, the beta i tested clearly didn't at the time :P[21:26:43] <tqh> so who was it that wanted to test firefox for gcc4?[21:26:58] <umccullough> from the mailing list?[21:27:13] <tqh> that as well :)[21:27:35] <umccullough> we should get it added as an "optional package" ;)[21:27:47] <umccullough> even if it's shit[21:28:32] *** VinDuv[Haiku] has quit IRC[21:28:59] <tqh> far from :)[21:29:07] <umccullough> far from shit? ;)[21:29:11] <umccullough> this is ff 2.x right?[21:30:13] <umccullough> tqh, do you have commit access to the haiku repo?[21:30:18] <tqh> umccullough, nope[21:30:21] <umccullough> ah[21:30:24] *** stargater has quit IRC[21:30:46] <tqh> I ain't contributin ;)[21:31:59] <umccullough> heh, that's a good one: http://failblog.org/2008/10/05/science-fail/[21:32:37] <leszek> funny, I saw this same link just a sec ago in another chan[21:32:48] <umccullough> figures ;)[21:32:54] <tqh> Seen the one about 'I live in georgia but don't see any tanks...'[21:32:54] <umccullough> failblog is pretty popular these days[21:33:03] <umccullough> yeah[21:33:09] <ddew|bofh> yet more proof that humanity is doomed :)[21:33:30] <leszek> :)[21:33:47] <ddew|bofh> http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/fail-owned-south-lake-union-trolley-fail.jpg[21:33:53] <ddew|bofh> heh, chuckle-worthy[21:34:00] <umccullough> yeah, the S.L.U.T. ;)[21:34:14] <umccullough> definitely some classics there...[21:34:27] <ddew|bofh> failblog, icanhascheezburgr and wwtd are great for killing time[21:34:34] <leszek> nice[21:35:01] <leszek> hmm for all the german speaking audience , german-bash.org is also very very funny[21:35:14] <umccullough> http://failblog.org/2008/09/30/windshield-wiper-fail/[21:35:22] <umccullough> that's not funny, i've had to do something like that before :P[21:35:29] <tqh> this one is nice: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Unprepared-For-Divide_By_Zero.aspx[21:35:41] <umccullough> tied a shirt around my wiper to keep it from scraping the window[21:35:46] <ddew|bofh> any fails with padlocks for carlocks?[21:35:54] <ddew|bofh> can't remember seeing any[21:35:59] <umccullough> ddew|bofh, there was a good one like that ;)[21:36:09] <umccullough> but worse[21:36:13] <ddew|bofh> i had to do that to my opel a few years back[21:36:34] <umccullough> http://failblog.org/2008/09/16/car-security-fail/[21:36:42] <ddew|bofh> the doorlocks are teh suck on that model and after 3 breakins i just slapped on a padlock[21:37:18] <umccullough> but anyhow, now that i've destroyed the channel pretty well, time for me to leave[21:37:25] <ddew|bofh> tata, glhf[21:37:55] <dr_evil> thanks umccullough[21:38:41] <leszek> reminds me of mister bean the "car security fail"[21:39:28] <ddew|bofh> that was my inpsiration :)[21:39:51] *** El_Gringo has joined #haiku[21:39:54] <ddew|bofh> checking my drives to see if i have a pic of the setup. engineering brilliance imo :P[21:41:43] *** JMReis has quit IRC[21:43:54] <ddew|bofh> jesus christ on a pogostick, what has the world come to? now Howard Stern is married[21:51:22] <mmu_man> you watch Pope Town too much :)[21:51:37] <ddew|bofh> heh[21:52:01] <leszek> PopeTown is it still running ?[21:52:11] <tqh> ?[21:52:54] <leszek> is it still airing on tv with new seasons ?[21:54:27] <licksjp> hello[21:54:48] <ddew|bofh> popetown looks fun albeit a little tame[21:55:08] <licksjp> Will it have kansai opensource2008 this year?[21:55:20] *** oco has joined #haiku[21:56:42] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[21:57:38] *** El_Gringo has quit IRC[22:07:04] <ddew|bofh> gah, i hate hard-coded window sizes[22:07:37] <ddew|bofh> the idea that 1280x1024 for a windows-size is ok should be shot[22:08:37] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[22:08:44] <mmu_man> popetown roxor[22:08:53] *** oco has quit IRC[22:10:10] <ddew|bofh> downloading it now to check it out :)[22:10:14] <dr_evil> mmu_man that reminds me, I intended to watch Monk[22:10:53] *** ThomasShirley_ has joined #haiku[22:13:46] *** Hiryu has joined #haiku[22:14:18] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[22:14:52] <dr_evil> or I could watch Pirates 2: Stagnetti's Revenge[22:16:05] <leszek> :P[22:16:18] *** digitalteufel has joined #haiku[22:16:55] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[22:17:22] <Hiryu> when building haiku from linux, it should use its own ld, right? Not /usr/bin/ld?[22:17:54] <digitalteufel> Yes[22:18:06] <Hiryu> then I wonder why it's using /usr/bin/ld[22:18:16] <HeTo> building Haiku also builds some native binaries like bfs_shell, building those might use /usr/bin/ld[22:18:18] <digitalteufel> It may for some things.[22:18:56] <Hiryu> Mind if I paste 3 lines?[22:19:45] <digitalteufel> Anyone know where I can get the Haiku binaries for the build tools?[22:20:24] <digitalteufel> I want to try self-hosting Haiku but would rather not have to compile the build tools as well.[22:21:25] <Monni> build tools are in the optional packages[22:21:37] <DeadYak> AddOptionalHaikuImagePackages Development ; doesn't work?[22:21:59] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:23:09] *** ddew|bofh has quit IRC[22:23:48] <digitalteufel> Well no because I didn't compile the image. I'm just using one from Haiku files.[22:24:49] <digitalteufel> Which Jamfile is the zip for the Development package specified in?[22:25:29] <DeadYak> it's a bunch of zips and a few other things, see build/jam/OptionalPackages[22:25:38] <DeadYak> it's not really a "unzip one thing and done" thing[22:26:40] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[22:27:44] *** oco2 has quit IRC[22:28:44] *** dchis has quit IRC[22:29:30] *** dchis has joined #haiku[22:30:55] <digitalteufel> It's taking an awfulling long time for Haiku to calculate the size of the source tree...[22:31:08] <DeadYak> building's a lot slower yes.[22:31:58] <digitalteufel> DeadYak, shouldn't the size be stored as directory meta data?[22:32:20] <DeadYak> on one directory, sure.[22:32:29] <DeadYak> doing it recursively still requires walking the whole tree to calculate[22:32:51] <Hiryu> anyone know what this is about: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lsupc++ ?[22:32:59] *** tqh has joined #haiku[22:33:12] *** Euver has joined #haiku[22:33:16] <begasus_> g'night peeps[22:33:17] <digitalteufel> DeadYak, walk all the directories or all the files?[22:33:40] *** begasus_ has quit IRC[22:33:48] <DeadYak> some of both, the directory only knows what files are in it, file size and such are stored on the file inodes[22:34:18] <tqh> the hda driver needs some work still :)[22:35:23] <digitalteufel> DeadYak, but you said the directories store the size in meta data.[22:35:39] <DeadYak> they store the size of the directory itself[22:35:44] <DeadYak> not of the individual files.[22:35:51] <DeadYak> i.e. how much space the directory data takes[22:36:16] <mmu_man> dr_evil lol, monk rox[22:36:20] <geist> right, also inodes have a block size + block count[22:36:35] <geist> which in theory gets you the rounded up size of how much disk it uses[22:36:56] <geist> that's what du uses[22:37:03] <digitalteufel> DeadYak, would it be possible to store the size of the contained files as meta data as well and update it dynamically on changes?[22:37:08] <digitalteufel> Ah it's done.[22:37:15] <digitalteufel> That took a good 10 minutes.[22:37:21] <DeadYak> digitalteufel: caching[22:37:43] *** Euver has quit IRC[22:37:57] <DeadYak> besides, depends on what was actually slowing it down[22:38:17] <DeadYak> haiku kernel's very unoptimized still[22:38:29] <digitalteufel> I'm trying again and it's walking the whole directory all over again :([22:38:45] <DeadYak> what part of the build is this?[22:38:54] <digitalteufel> I'm not building anything.[22:39:04] <DeadYak> then I have no idea what you're talking about[22:39:52] <geist> yo can usually see the difference when doing ls vs ls -l[22:40:06] <digitalteufel> DeadYak, I'm right clicking on the haiku source folder and selecting "Get Info"[22:40:10] <geist> ls can operate solely on readdir(), which just returns name + inode[22:40:21] <geist> that is entirely in the dir entry[22:40:40] <geist> ls -l has to do a stat afterwards, which has to load up the inode, get the stat info, then unload it[22:41:03] <geist> i dunno if haiku has a stat cache, dir cache, or how well the inode cache works[22:41:16] <DeadYak> inodes should be cached afaik[22:41:20] <geist> that's all linux does, for example, and it's super fast at that kind of thing[22:41:30] <geist> so proves that if you do tweak it you can get great performance[22:42:51] <digitalteufel> Haiku also seems to be using more space than the size of the files on the drive would indicate.[22:43:16] <geist> by how much?[22:43:18] <digitalteufel> The source is about 800MB but it says I'm using 1.2GB[22:43:27] <geist> how many files?[22:43:34] <DeadYak> 2KB block size by default bear in mind[22:43:37] <digitalteufel> Lots.[22:43:42] <DeadYak> ergo even a 1 byte file will take up at least 2KB.[22:43:43] <geist> then that's pretty average[22:43:52] <DeadYak> that will hold true for any OS/FS[22:43:59] <geist> most block based fses have a similar thing[22:44:34] <geist> and bfs has a design flaw that had it not store the main file stream in the inode, whereas it cando it with attributes[22:44:44] <Stefan100> plop[22:44:53] <geist> dbg admitted that he woulda fixed that if he had had enough time[22:45:02] <HeTo> DeadYak: not if the fs supports tails[22:45:05] <HeTo> like reiserfs[22:45:20] <geist> right. bfs doesnot support tails[22:45:36] <DeadYak> clarify tails?[22:45:38] <geist> or partial blocks, like classic ufs/ffs[22:45:47] *** judgen has joined #haiku[22:45:47] <DeadYak> ah[22:45:54] <geist> DeadYak: it's where you pack the partial last block somewhere[22:46:00] <judgen> http://www.lafn.org/gvdc/Natl_Debt_Chart-2004.gif this makes me sad =)[22:46:03] <judgen> =([22:46:05] <geist> reiserfsv3 has a tail modethat packs it into the btree along with the rest of the metadata[22:46:07] <judgen> i ment[22:46:15] *** boh666 has joined #haiku[22:46:26] <geist> somewhat more efficient spacewise, somewhat less efficient cpu wise[22:46:52] <geist> bfs has large inodes and space at the bottom to tail pack attributes[22:47:03] <geist> so the first n attributes get stored int he inode directly, until it runs out of space[22:47:09] <geist> then it spills over to an attribute directory[22:47:33] <geist> probably because it would be pretty complicated to find the right mixture but it could have been extended to also store the file tail in it[22:47:47] <geist> but it doesn't[22:48:03] <DeadYak> neat[22:48:06] <DeadYak> and god I suck at this game[22:48:07] <geist> oh also ntfs has the short file packing thing[22:48:12] *** Kohvihoor has quit IRC[22:48:25] <judgen> DeadYak what game?[22:48:29] <DeadYak> Megaman 9[22:48:40] <judgen> DeadYak the new or the old one?[22:48:50] <DeadYak> new[22:48:55] <judgen> wii?[22:49:01] <DeadYak> yup[22:49:05] <judgen> nice[22:49:12] <judgen> im getting one of those[22:49:32] <judgen> megaman is just another reason to do so, how is the controlling with the wiimote?[22:51:12] <DeadYak> fine, I mean, it's an NES game basically[22:51:18] <DeadYak> you don't need more than a d-pad and 2 buttons[22:51:43] *** carrot has joined #haiku[22:52:04] <DaaT> judgen: getting a Wii?[22:52:10] <geist> ah, so it's old school[22:52:29] <geist> aww yeah, i can get it on playstation[22:52:49] <digitalteufel> If I'm self-hosting Haiku, can the build system update the system?[22:52:52] <tqh> megaman 9 is only for wii :)[22:52:52] <carrot> hello... i'm just taking haiku out for a test drive on vmware and i really don't understand any of the BeOS concepts... where apps aught to be stored/launched from, and i don't see a mechanism for installing applications[22:53:07] <carrot> megaman 9 is on the major consoles...[22:53:09] <geist> tqh: not according to wikipedia[22:53:13] <DeadYak> geist: yeah, they released it on all of 'em[22:53:20] <carrot> afaik it is at least on wii/360, dunno bout ps3[22:53:21] <DeadYak> tqh: incorrect[22:53:25] <tqh> oh[22:53:30] <geist> says playstation network[22:53:36] <geist> so aww yeah[22:53:50] <geist> speaking of awesome, i highly recommend the bionic commando redo[22:53:50] <DeadYak> geist: it's fucking impossible lol[22:53:55] <tqh> I thought you were gonna use an emulator[22:53:55] <DeadYak> geist: Rearmed?[22:53:59] <geist> yeah[22:53:59] <DeadYak> geist: that was fun[22:54:11] <geist> BC was one of my favorite NES games, so it was nice to see someone finally pay attention to it[22:54:14] <DeadYak> wondering how BC:3D's going to turn out though[22:54:20] <DeadYak> the trailer video looked cool but...[22:54:31] <tqh> I should go to bed, but for once testing ff is fun :)[22:54:31] <carrot> can someone tell me how i can install applications to haiku running in vmware?[22:54:40] <digitalteufel> carrot, what are you trying to install?[22:54:41] <carrot> i feel pretty stupid, i must be overlooking something[22:54:45] <CIA-5> julun * r27879 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/cortex/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * cleanup[22:54:53] <carrot> digitalteufel, anything... how about a web browser for starters[22:54:59] <carrot> i'm using the latest vmware image[22:55:04] <tqh> carrot no it's one of the weaknesses atm.[22:55:27] <digitalteufel> Well for a browser you're going to have to use wget to download it.[22:55:28] <luroh> carrot: wget http://www.yellowbites.com/downloads/Firefox-2.0.0.12.zip[22:55:37] <digitalteufel> What he said.[22:56:28] <carrot> what's considered the "proper" way to launch applications? is there some kind of launcher, or should i just symlink apps to the desktop?[22:57:24] <DeadYak> double click from wherever pretty much, most of the installers on bebits will put a link the app menu off the deskbar though[22:57:33] <DeadYak> otherwise just doubleclick app / link from wheverever[22:57:36] <DeadYak> wherever*[22:59:57] <digitalteufel> To add something to the menu manually you can right-click the deskbar menu button and select Deskbar settings->Configure leaf menu[22:59:58] <carrot> i'm getting a "unable to resolve host address" error, which is odd seeing as the host computer has internet and vmware claims to have the network adaptor bridged...[23:00:30] <digitalteufel> Virtualbox is better anyway :)[23:00:34] <DeadYak> try switching vmware to NAT mode[23:00:45] <DeadYak> iirc doesn't work right in Bridge for some reason[23:01:47] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:02:56] <carrot> do i want to restart haiku after switching to nat? no effect thus far[23:03:15] <DeadYak> yeah[23:04:01] <DeadYak> geist: try it? :)[23:04:27] <carrot> excellent, internet works now[23:04:44] <geist> DeadYak: what you say!![23:04:52] <DeadYak> geist: you have no chance to survive make your time[23:05:03] * geist takes off every 'zig'[23:05:06] <DeadYak> zero wing just doesn't get old, does it? :)[23:05:14] <DeadYak> move 'zig' for great justice[23:05:33] <geist> nope. buddy of mine just wrote a sega saturn emulator so he could emulate it[23:05:42] <geist> Mission Accomplished[23:05:46] <DeadYak> saturn? I thought Zero Wing was genesis[23:05:58] <geist> maybe genesis, one of em[23:06:14] <DeadYak> genesis and arcade apparently[23:06:26] <DeadYak> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icVy7Ve6y6A[23:06:29] <DeadYak> ooh yeah[23:06:30] <leszek> gn8@all[23:06:48] *** leszek has quit IRC[23:07:05] <digitalteufel> Will the Haiku cross compiler for BeOS R5 work in Haiku?[23:09:30] <carrot> oops, i killed the tracker[23:10:01] <digitalteufel> geist, Doesn't the Saturn have an insane number of chips in it?[23:10:01] <HeTo> carrot: ctrl+alt+del -> Restart desktop[23:10:27] <Hiryu> heh the sega saturn?[23:10:35] <digitalteufel> Yeah.[23:10:39] <CIA-5> julun * r27880 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/cortex/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[23:10:39] <CIA-5> * fix a crash when closing Cortex with some connected nodes[23:10:39] <CIA-5> This should have crashed on R5 too, what happend is that deleting[23:10:39] <CIA-5> a 'Box' will cause a release of it's EndPoints, thus leaving some[23:10:39] <CIA-5> dangling EndPoint pointers in the Wires, which they access to call[23:10:42] <Hiryu> yeh, it wasn't surpassed in difficulty to code for until the ps2[23:10:42] <CIA-5> disconnect. So deletion order is important here, delete Wires first.[23:11:12] <geist> i always loose track of all the failed sega things (even when i worked there!)[23:11:12] <Hiryu> saturn had 2 cpu's... but only one could talk to memory at a time[23:11:13] <carrot> huh...[23:11:29] <carrot> every time i try to copy something to /Haiku/apps the tracker crashes[23:11:29] <digitalteufel> Actually it seems like the PCSX2 runs better than the Saturn emulators at the moment.[23:11:41] <Hiryu> cuz more people care about the ps2[23:12:04] *** stoc has quit IRC[23:12:38] * DeadYak pets his saturn[23:12:44] <carrot> anyone else running haiku atm? i think i found a replicatable bug... copy a file to /Haiku, and then move it to /Haiku/apps[23:12:55] <carrot> this on the latest build offered[23:13:06] <Hiryu> I love my saturn[23:13:21] <DeadYak> Hiryu: Strider Hiryu presumably? :P[23:13:28] <Hiryu> yep[23:13:29] <digitalteufel> carrot, from haiku-files?[23:13:38] <Hiryu> that was the 2nd game I learned to beat on a single credit[23:13:52] <carrot> digitalteufel, idk, in the tracker[23:14:03] <carrot> i'm not up and up on the haiku terminology[23:14:09] <DeadYak> not seeing it here with rev 27872...[23:14:18] <DeadYak> not on vmware either though[23:14:22] <digitalteufel> carrot, I mean where did you download the image from?[23:14:52] <carrot> oh, yeah[23:14:57] <geist> wow you guys have Sega Saturns?[23:14:58] <carrot> r27770[23:15:03] <DeadYak> geist: yeah[23:15:04] <carrot> that's the latest one i saw[23:15:07] <geist> that's where they both went![23:15:12] <Hiryu> my sega saturn is modded for imports as well as backups :)[23:15:17] <DeadYak> geist: mostly for Panzer Dragoon but anyways...[23:15:28] <geist> well, i have 2 dreamcasts, so guess we're even[23:15:36] <DeadYak> geist: got one of those[23:15:40] <carrot> guess it isn't the latest afterall[23:15:46] <carrot> <3 my dreamcast[23:15:49] <digitalteufel> I've got neither.[23:15:51] <Hiryu> dreamcast was a great system[23:15:56] <DeadYak> carrot: bear in mind I do my own builds, it might be newer than the one on haiku-files[23:16:10] <geist> yeah, though i seemed to have lost most of my game discs somewhere along the line[23:16:15] <geist> but back when i used to hack on it[23:16:24] <geist> it's the only other system that newos really ran fully on[23:16:35] <geist> ppc was never totally completed (didn't get user space really working)[23:16:41] <DeadYak> how's SH4 assembly? :)[23:16:47] <geist> nasty![23:16:51] <geist> and not in a good way[23:16:51] <Hiryu> DeadYak: not too bad[23:16:58] <digitalteufel> carrot, I got t27770.[23:17:02] <digitalteufel> Let me try.[23:17:03] <DeadYak> geist: I forget, CISC or RISC?[23:17:06] <geist> well, actually it's kind of fun nasty[23:17:07] <Hiryu> I've done some coding on kallistiOS, the main problem with it is lack of documentation[23:17:13] <geist> but has some stupid restrictions that makes it sort of tough[23:17:25] <Hiryu> I got lighting to work (dreamcast doesn't have hardware T&L)[23:17:27] <geist> DeadYak: RISC, 16 bit instructions[23:17:38] <DeadYak> geist: 16 bit instructions? fun[23:17:46] <geist> the big thing going for it is it has a (at the time) monster vector unit[23:17:56] <Hiryu> SuperH4 has 16 bit instructions? I need to confirm that[23:17:57] <carrot> digitalteufel, it seems only when i drag the Firefox folder from the unzip[23:18:05] <geist> Hiryu: 16bit sized instructions[23:18:09] <Hiryu> geist: you mean the 16 single precision fp registers?[23:18:15] <miqlas> Somebody tested the SAMBA under Haiku? It is working?[23:18:15] <geist> as in, each instruction is 16 bits long[23:18:16] <DeadYak> geist: how many regs?[23:18:38] <geist> Hiryu: 2 banks of 16fp regs, iirc[23:18:38] <DeadYak> miqlas: didn't know anyone had ported samba...[23:18:47] <geist> DeadYak: i think just 8[23:18:53] <DeadYak> geist: 8 integer?[23:18:54] <Hiryu> These cores use a 16-bit instruction set, though register length and data paths are 32-bit, which gave it an excellent code density without compromising the high performance of the CPU.[23:18:56] <miqlas> To Haiku, DeadYak? Or to BeOS?[23:18:57] <Hiryu> hmmm[23:18:58] <Hiryu> he's right[23:19:03] <geist> damn tootin[23:19:10] <DeadYak> miqlas: Haiku[23:19:13] <Hiryu> well, it would add more instructions required to load a 32 bit address into a register[23:19:19] <geist> i wrote an operating system on this bad boy, I know the innards:)[23:19:22] <miqlas> I remember i see samba for beos on an russian ftp.[23:19:29] <Hiryu> asuming it used 32 bit addressing on the dreamcast[23:19:35] <miqlas> SAMBA for BeOS is not working on Haiku?[23:19:42] <geist> trouble is since it has such tiny instructions, basically like thumb on arm, the instruction forms are highly irregular[23:19:45] <DeadYak> no idea[23:19:46] <geist> not very orthogonal[23:19:48] <miqlas> Or there is an another way to acces the windows shares?[23:20:06] <geist> Hiryu: it does. 32bit address space, though it has this strange set of 8 banks[23:20:25] <geist> since it only has 29bit physical address space[23:20:26] <Hiryu> geist: I bet. I glanced at sh4 asm and it seemed ok, but with 16 bit wide instructions it's going to be ugly with extremely small immediate values[23:20:44] <carrot> how odd[23:20:44] <geist> bottom 2GB are virtual, top 4 banks are permutations of physical memory identity mapped with cache on and off, etc[23:20:47] <geist> it's kind of strange[23:20:53] <Hiryu> geist: it takes me 5 instructions to load a 64 bit address into a register on sparcv9 as the instructions are 32 bit[23:20:54] <carrot> i can't launch firefox from the tracker, but i can from the terminal, with ./firefox[23:20:56] <DeadYak> wow weird.[23:21:01] <geist> Hiryu: yep. lots of pc relative constant loading[23:21:08] <DeadYak> sounds like a pretty funky chip to deal with[23:21:22] <geist> but that's a good example of it's non orthogonality: it has pc relative loads, but no pc relatve store[23:21:41] <geist> and the offset is not very far, since it only has 8 bits or so of immediate[23:21:42] <Hiryu> so I guess you keep as litle in the data section of your code as possible and as much on the heap and stack as possible[23:21:57] <geist> it's basically about as weird as thumb instruction set on an arm, whcih has similar 16 bit instruction words[23:22:10] <Hiryu> and the saturn had 2 sh2's to work with[23:22:11] <Hiryu> hahaha[23:22:20] <geist> also the sh4 is superscalar and has some of the exposed fun stuff like branch delay slots, etc[23:22:24] <DeadYak> oh? I thought it was an sh2 and something else[23:22:49] <Hiryu> nah, they're both hitachi superh[23:22:53] <DeadYak> ah[23:23:03] <Hiryu> I wonder how well haiku would run on dreamcast[23:23:05] <geist> as far as i can tell, sh4 is essentially an sh3 + the vector unit[23:23:09] <geist> essentially designed for dreamcast[23:23:12] <Hiryu> linux and netbsd run on it but I suspect you wouldn't wanna put X on there[23:23:19] <geist> Hiryu: probably not very, but like I said, I actually had newos fully ported to it[23:23:19] <Hiryu> geist: yes, I think that's correct[23:23:32] <geist> so haiku is closer to running on dreamcast than pretty much anything else :)[23:23:32] <Hiryu> geist: nice![23:23:51] <geist> biggest problem is lack of memopry (16MB) and lack of hard disk[23:23:51] <Hiryu> geist: except for linux and netbsd which already do :)[23:23:55] <geist> it's almost a waste of time[23:24:08] <Hiryu> geist: well, get haiku/newos to do nfs and you solve the hard drive problem[23:24:13] <DeadYak> Hiryu: I think he meant on DC vs anything else Haiku's been half-ported to[23:24:21] <Hiryu> oooh[23:24:21] <geist> what i am thinking of doing is reviving the arm port though[23:24:22] <DeadYak> not versus other OSes[23:24:25] <carrot> Google Chrome would be nice on Haiku[23:24:32] <geist> now that my beagleboard is here, ported to, working[23:24:39] <DeadYak> beagleboard = ?[23:24:43] <geist> and it's pretty easy to dick with[23:24:50] <geist> so would be pretty simple gettingnewos up and running on it[23:24:56] <carrot> chrome would be a good fit due to its multithreaded-ness[23:25:01] <geist> beagleboard = small board + omap3[23:25:09] <geist> 128MB ram, SD slot, etc[23:25:15] <DeadYak> carrot: chrome is actually more multiprocess than multithread[23:25:15] <geist> and it has hdmi/dvi out[23:25:21] <geist> actually can drive a monitor[23:25:26] <geist> $149[23:25:29] <DeadYak> carrot: and it'd be a pain in the butt to port since its current incarnation is basically very very windows specific[23:25:48] <carrot> google is porting it to linux and osx...[23:26:05] <DeadYak> is porting, but long way from done[23:26:08] <geist> someone always brings up arm on haiku, this would be one of the first arm boards you'd really want to port to if you want to run a desktop[23:26:21] <geist> the cortex-a8 (600mhz, 256K L2) is actually reasonably quick[23:26:30] <DeadYak> carrot: and those ports would only help us to an extent since our windowing sys / API is different from either one of those[23:26:32] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[23:26:38] <DeadYak> geist: neat[23:29:13] *** boh666 has quit IRC[23:29:34] <carrot> is firefox considered a relatively easy port considering its tk is xul?[23:30:36] <DeadYak> no, just someone's already done all the work for that years ago[23:30:42] <DeadYak> xul was still a pain to port regardless[23:33:11] *** dchis has quit IRC[23:46:49] <digitalteufel> geist, Pandora uses omap3 as well.[23:47:07] <geist> yep, sameone[23:47:30] <geist> and lets say i have some experience with that exact chip[23:47:36] <geist> omap3530[23:47:38] <digitalteufel> Looks like they got more preorders than they expected.[23:47:45] * geist heads out to run some errands[23:48:02] <luroh> $149 for a dev board seems like a very good price[23:48:17] <carrot> pandora is that phone, right?[23:48:29] <luroh> it's a game console[23:48:37] <luroh> handheld[23:48:37] <carrot> Huh?[23:48:49] <digitalteufel> It's a handheld game system.[23:49:02] <digitalteufel> http://openpandora.org/[23:49:18] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[23:49:22] <carrot> whoa, that thing is ugly[23:49:41] <digitalteufel> Why?[23:49:58] <carrot> http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/misc/pandora_front.jpg << looks like something from the 90's[23:50:39] <digitalteufel> Seems that's an old render.[23:51:28] <carrot> oh i see the new one on the site[23:51:40] *** emitrax has quit IRC[23:51:59] <CIA-5> julun * r27881 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/cortex/DiagramView/DiagramItemGroup.cpp: * the way it was now, not all items would have been deleted[23:52:07] <carrot> so, where are the games?[23:52:17] *** QuAZ has joined #haiku[23:52:21] <digitalteufel> carrot, emulators mostly.[23:53:03] <carrot> oh.[23:53:28] <carrot> so the usual suspects, scummvm, snes9x?[23:54:54] *** helf_ has quit IRC[23:56:32] <digitalteufel> carrot, and ps1 at full speed too.[23:57:22] <AlienSoldier> carrot and probably up to to pS1, N64, amiga full speed and probably enven DC if they can map enough of the 3d chip[23:58:01] <carrot> i wouldn't mind playing DC games again[23:59:59] <carrot> fur fighters