October 3, 2008 
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October 3, 2008 [00:00:44] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[00:03:04] *** rcjsuen_ has quit IRC[00:06:30] *** helf2 has joined #haiku[00:06:45] <helf2> hola[00:09:13] <razor0> como estas mi amigo?[00:12:01] <helf2> bien bien![00:14:41] *** helf2 has quit IRC[00:15:47] *** helf2 has joined #haiku[00:16:16] *** helf2 has quit IRC[00:19:50] *** helf2 has joined #haiku[00:19:59] <helf2> hurray for flaky wifi![00:22:37] <stpere> hi hi hi :)[00:24:09] <helf2> its like trying to aim a satellite dish :P[00:25:33] <helf2> I've hit around 150KB/s. not bad for hitting an AP thats a good 120 yards away with a house in between :)[00:27:44] *** DHowett1 has joined #haiku[00:28:55] *** oco has quit IRC[00:34:32] <AlienSoldier> seem netsurf is not usable yet[00:34:49] <AlienSoldier> *on BeOS at least[00:41:23] *** DBAlex has joined #haiku[00:42:52] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[00:44:09] <mmu_man> works here :p[00:45:09] <AlienSoldier> it work, but it's ruff[00:45:33] <AlienSoldier> it can refuse to close for exemple[00:46:09] <AlienSoldier> the home pag work 100% that said :)[00:46:12] <AlienSoldier> *page[00:47:07] <AlienSoldier> what i like is the line at the bottom, only progress that tell me something on all browser[00:48:57] <DHowett1> What's netsurf looking like these days? Screenshots floating about? :)[00:50:47] <AlienSoldier> riscos.info display well[00:51:58] <AlienSoldier> google display weird[00:53:36] <razor0> when is RC1?[00:55:01] <mmu_man> AlienSoldier mising gif support[00:55:05] <mmu_man> I'm fixing it atm[00:56:16] <AlienSoldier> it's ok, i don't blame you :) i only blame you to not have a haiku port to pendora :P[00:56:36] <AlienSoldier> preordered one?[00:56:50] <AlienSoldier> seem they sold 2000 of 3000 on day one[00:57:35] <razor0> i'm curious to see how Haiku will do once it hits market... do they have adopters yet?[00:57:44] <mmu_man> FreeRunner first :)[00:57:47] <razor0> those who have pledged to use it in production?[00:58:08] <DHowett1> I wonder how Haiku, when the ARM port is working, would run on an ARM9 core with a MMU[00:58:42] <DHowett1> Is that all that's required? ARM (possibly v5/T?) + MMU + a certain amount of storage and RAM?[00:58:44] <AlienSoldier> razor0 i think it will do well just to serve those that don't want to go too far from the "desktop", like cloud computing and other google app and phone applet galore[00:59:37] <DHowett1> because if that's all it takes, i WILL make Haiku run on my motorola razr.[01:00:13] <AlienSoldier> DHowett1 any development on the AA1[01:00:19] <AlienSoldier> ?[01:00:34] <DHowett1> None in particular. What'cha lookin for? :)[01:01:01] <AlienSoldier> no idea, might buy one of the 2 of my friend for cheap[01:01:16] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[01:01:19] <AlienSoldier> what in hell did he bought 2 is beyond me[01:01:30] <DHowett1> It runs pretty nicely. Video (native 1024x600) + Ethernet, sound with OSS[01:01:33] <DHowett1> it's pretty nice[01:01:48] <DHowett1> AlienSoldier: What country are you in?[01:01:52] <AlienSoldier> canada[01:02:13] <AlienSoldier> you should do a distro ready to boot :)[01:02:16] <DHowett1> Do these Ones in question come with 512MB or 1GB RAM..[01:02:32] <AlienSoldier> it's the first blue one, 512[01:02:41] <DHowett1> because I have a 512MB memory module to get rid of for free that is purported to work in the One.. :)[01:02:41] <AlienSoldier> ssd[01:03:20] <DHowett1> 512 MB.. free to good home.. :)[01:03:21] <DHowett1> hehe[01:03:41] <AlienSoldier> not sure i will buy is, might find it less a saale to buy a more memory one from the go[01:03:57] <AlienSoldier> *hassle[01:04:03] <DHowett1> *nods*[01:04:18] <DHowett1> for me, the 1GB + 120GB hard drive combo was only $20 USD more[01:04:24] <DHowett1> then again, the USD is pretty much valueless, so.. :P[01:04:30] <AlienSoldier> not to mention i think panic is at intel HQ, they must run like chiken without head today[01:04:41] <AlienSoldier> so they will boost spec of all thing[01:05:01] <DHowett1> hmm ;)[01:05:05] *** DHowett1 is now known as Away[DHowett][01:05:09] <Away[DHowett]> ciao for now :)[01:05:53] <AlienSoldier> even if 512 if more than enough, i want to abuse a lot the AGMS ram drive to save the ssd. Does it work on haiku yet?[01:06:04] <AlienSoldier> i guess not as fs is different[01:06:16] <Away[DHowett]> probably not, given the new/updated FS layer[01:28:59] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[01:49:52] *** helf_ has joined #haiku[02:06:20] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[02:08:07] *** DBAlex has quit IRC[02:12:50] *** thotypous has quit IRC[02:13:05] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[02:22:23] *** mmadia has quit IRC[02:24:25] *** mat_geek has quit IRC[02:34:54] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[02:36:47] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[02:38:00] *** quinq has quit IRC[03:13:19] *** thotypous_ has joined #haiku[03:14:02] *** thotypous has quit IRC[03:14:13] *** thotypous_ is now known as thotypous[03:18:08] *** [Katisu]_laptop has joined #haiku[03:19:26] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[03:19:26] *** [Katisu]_laptop is now known as [Katisu][03:35:29] <helf_> waky waky[03:38:45] <mmadia> fozzy the bear?[03:40:41] <helf_> thats wacka wacka[03:41:41] <mmu_man> http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority.html UGH ? how come Haiku is not even on that list ???[03:41:43] <mmu_man> :D[03:42:15] <helf_> heh[03:42:19] <umccullough> cuz it's not GPL ;)[03:43:04] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[03:44:01] * umccullough wanders off to find a beer and fuud[03:44:38] <mmu_man> it's Free Software[03:45:04] *** xcasex_ has quit IRC[03:54:11] <AlienSoldier> WTF! http://www.gametrailers.com/player/40742.html[03:54:48] <AlienSoldier> hehe just reading the first comment :)[03:59:25] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[04:03:21] <helf_> ...they do look like sperm[04:05:09] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[04:05:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[04:06:05] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[04:06:44] *** xcasex has joined #haiku[04:08:46] * JonathanThompson laughs at helf AND at AlienSoldier[04:19:40] *** sdeken has joined #haiku[04:20:02] <sdeken> Hi folks[04:22:24] <sdeken> Trying to build devtools under OS X, has anyone had any luck?[04:26:42] <umccullough> yeah, several have[04:26:59] <umccullough> where are you stuck?[04:29:01] * umccullough wonders if steel pennies are worth anything[04:29:39] <sdeken> looks like it dies just when it's trying to configure gcc[04:29:50] <sdeken> tells me I need to specify a host type to ./configure[04:30:10] <umccullough> what commandline did you use?[04:30:21] <Away[DHowett]> umccullough: Steel pennies? Nice.[04:30:30] <sdeken> ./configure --build-cross-tools ../buildtools/[04:30:36] <sdeken> Following the ubuntu directions[04:30:37] <umccullough> Away[DHowett], they made them during 1943 cuz copper was in short supply :P[04:30:56] <helf2> back[04:31:00] <umccullough> sdeken, ok, so you're running the ./configure --build-cross-tools from within the haiku trunk, not the buildtools dir right?[04:31:05] <sdeken> agh, dog needs a walk, afk[04:31:10] <sdeken> right, yes[04:31:11] *** Away[DHowett] is now known as DHowett[04:31:17] <umccullough> try the gcc4 cross tools instead[04:31:23] <helf2> umccullough, that touchpad works really well with my NeXT :)[04:31:30] <umccullough> helf2 nice :)[04:31:38] <umccullough> i'm glad someone can make use of it ;)[04:31:38] <helf2> i usually hate touchpads, but this one is a lot better than the old ball mouse[04:31:59] <DHowett> I remember one time.. my parents bought this random weird Serial touchpad.. strangest thing[04:32:02] <umccullough> sdeken, ping me when you get back[04:32:22] <sdeken> will do, kicked off the gcc4 build[04:32:28] <sdeken> back in ~20[04:33:47] <umccullough> looks like rusty steel pennies aren't worth much[04:33:52] * JonathanThompson lobs a URL at DHowett http://echelog.matzon.dk/stats/haiku.html[04:34:27] <helf2> DHowett, I had something like that[04:34:35] <DHowett> JonathanThompson: nice[04:34:59] <helf2> DHowett, this ADB touchpad umccullough sent me is pretty darn sensitive and supports tapping on it. works better than the old NeXT mechanical mouse until I can get the PS2 mouse I want[04:35:10] <DHowett> helf2: nice[04:35:22] <DHowett> that stats page kept stealing focus for some reason[04:35:38] <DHowett> ff kept taking over[04:35:42] <JonathanThompson> How appropriate: it suffers from a Focus Shift ;)[04:35:50] <DHowett> ;)[04:36:15] <umccullough> wtf, i'm at the top of the #haiku usage?[04:36:25] <DHowett> umccullough: ;)[04:36:33] <umccullough> and my work nick is even in the top :O[04:36:41] <JonathanThompson> :P[04:36:43] <umccullough> 25gh[04:36:45] <umccullough> th[04:36:57] <JonathanThompson> You're in trouble now, umccullough :)[04:37:12] <umccullough> just didn't realize i typed so much here :/[04:37:54] <umccullough> i don't even use umccullough_work any more[04:37:57] <umccullough> that's sad[04:38:05] * umccullough hopes his boss doesn't see that[04:38:13] <DHowett> ;)[04:39:01] * JonathanThompson searches for umccullough's boss[04:40:29] <DHowett> The loudest one was Luposian, who yelled 31.7% of the time![04:40:32] <DHowett> that seems.. fitting[04:41:05] <mmadia> woo-hoo! b-squad on the stats![04:41:15] <JonathanThompson> Earlier pyCube's random comment was "Does the comment have to be insightfu/useful?" or something like that.[04:42:43] <helf2> heh[04:42:52] <helf2> my dual p3-600s are no match for large flash videos[04:44:59] <mmadia> really ? though, something could, should, would think about there ... still[05:12:03] <sdeken> well, damn[05:12:21] <sdeken> building gcc failed[05:12:49] <sdeken> doesn't like be/support/string.h[05:13:03] <sdeken> oh, I probably have to switch to gcc-3.3[05:17:05] <sdeken> except, I can't, because I'm on leopard[05:31:51] *** thotypous has quit IRC[05:43:44] *** mmadia has quit IRC[05:44:40] *** Guma has joined #haiku[05:55:25] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[05:57:08] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[05:59:04] *** razor0 has left #haiku[06:16:25] <umccullough> sdeken, you gotta use a case-sensitive filesystem[06:24:08] *** Guma has quit IRC[06:26:25] <Monni> *burp*[06:34:06] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[06:52:43] *** judgen has joined #haiku[06:52:56] <judgen> haha speech synths are so fun[06:53:19] <judgen> Im trying to make an english voice say profane words that sounds as much as swedish as possible.[06:54:28][06:59:08] <helf2> wooo[06:59:21] <helf2> this wifi connection keeps getting better and better[06:59:33] *** rsanches has quit IRC[06:59:34] <helf2> downloading some mp3s at a combined speed of almost 2MB/s[07:01:03] *** sprma has joined #haiku[07:04:47] *** Qu4Z has joined #haiku[07:04:51] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[07:05:02] *** senry-user has left #Haiku[07:05:37] *** senry-user has quit IRC[07:05:58] <judgen> nice[07:06:06] <judgen> might be less weather interferance[07:09:17] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[07:13:43] <judgen> Wonder how to get a swedisn pronounciation of the letter A in an english voice motor.[07:14:34] <thebolt> judgen: that does not seem like a productive thing to do ;)[07:14:43] <judgen> thebolt yeah[07:15:19][07:15:42] <thebolt> yep[07:15:46][07:16:08] <thebolt> but its pretty hard to get some people (who does not speak swedish or danish or so) to pronounce å right..[07:16:30] <thebolt> (which makes them unable to pronounce my name.. which is why i drop the ring abroad :P)[07:17:04][07:17:23] <judgen> thebolt what is your name then?[07:17:55] <thebolt> Mårten (and abroad i'm Marten.. its also what my passport says.. or well Maarten ;)[07:18:03] <judgen> My name sounds silly in english.[07:18:14][07:18:30] <thebolt> yes[07:18:39] <judgen> um guessing youre using utf-8 since your characters are scrambled. as freenode uses iso[07:18:44] <thebolt> ah..[07:18:56] <thebolt> M a-ring rten ;)[07:19:00] <judgen> =)[07:19:06] <thebolt> (another reason to not use a-ring.. )[07:19:26] <thebolt> (btw, the server does not use any encoding.. its purly a client-side thing)[07:19:33] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[07:19:43][07:20:35] <thebolt> heh.. well, Dan is a name in english as well[07:20:47] <thebolt> but depending on where they might pronounce it a bit differently than we do ;)[07:20:53] <judgen> thebolt well its not the same name, as its spronounced differently[07:21:10] <judgen> thebolt swe, dan, nor, fin?[07:21:27] <thebolt> me? .se (right now living in .tw.. ;)[07:21:45] <judgen> i saw the storm in Taipei on the telly, seemed awfully windy.[07:21:54] <thebolt> it was[07:22:10] <judgen> i saw an old lady gliding across the pavement by sheer windforce.[07:22:11] <thebolt> i live some hour (by bus) south of taipei.. sunday we had some 30m/s+ at times[07:23:49] <judgen> nice kite flying weather =)[07:23:59] <thebolt> but now its warm and sunny (30ish) and i am stuck indoors studying[07:23:59] <judgen> need a sturdy kite though[07:24:06] <judgen> studying?[07:24:13] <judgen> are you in school of some sorts?[07:24:46] <thebolt> yep, university[07:25:07] <thebolt> doing my fourth year of five for an msc (in linkoping) as exchange student here[07:25:29] <JonathanThompson> linkoping?[07:25:38] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[07:25:38][07:25:55] <thebolt> JonathanThompson: swedish city[07:25:58] <JonathanThompson> Incompatible encoding on my end ;)[07:26:02] <JonathanThompson> Ah, ok.[07:26:08] <thebolt> the degree is in "applied physics & electrical engineering"[07:26:12] <JonathanThompson> I thought it was the degree name ;)[07:26:13] <thebolt> and here i study mostly the EE part ;)[07:26:28][07:26:32] <judgen> was so funny.[07:26:49] <judgen> me*[07:27:25] <thebolt> heh.. well, i grew up in a small town outside linkoping, but i don't have that severe dialect (my parents are from other parts of the country etc..)[07:27:38] <judgen> ok[07:34:51] <DHowett> :P[07:36:21] *** sprma has quit IRC[07:36:36] <judgen> Im watching Atheist Experience podcasts... damn it sounds like atheists are persecuted in the US just because they DONT believe in god.[07:36:39] <judgen> that is just so silly[07:37:01] <judgen> Most people dont believe in god in sweden so its hard for me to relate to[07:38:54] <thebolt> well.. technically atheism is the conviction that there is no god[07:39:14] <thebolt> which is different from nontheism (ie not believing in god)[07:39:38] <thebolt> and i think most swedes actually are closer to nontheists than atheists[07:40:45] <JonathanThompson> Actually, the biggest truth is most atheists in the US go out of their way to belittle those that do believe in God.[07:41:23] <JonathanThompson> So, don't be fooled into thinking it's a one-sided thing where everyone else (theists) are only picking on the others.[07:42:42] <judgen> well thats true.[07:43:07] <judgen> I myself is totally agnostic.[07:43:20] <geist> stfu stupid floating invisible white guy believer[07:43:28] <geist> i mean, hi![07:43:37] * JonathanThompson smacks geist ;)[07:44:05] <judgen> geist hmmm[07:44:10] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[07:44:16] <judgen> Who is a invisible white guy believer?[07:44:25] *** senry-user has left #Haiku[07:44:31] <geist> floating invisible hippy carpenter guy in space?[07:45:24] <judgen> I believe in the jahve god as much as Shiva, Oden, Zeus, Ra and so on.[07:45:34] <judgen> I wouldnt pray to either[07:46:20] *** rcjsuen_ has joined #haiku[07:46:29] <geist> i'm thinking should pray to that floating space head that eats planets in transformers[07:46:41] <geist> well, used to be attached to a body[07:46:47] <geist> but the head is still pretty impressive[07:47:39] <judgen> Unicron[07:47:47] <geist> yeah, he was a real meanie[07:48:00] <geist> old testament stuff[07:48:05] <judgen> yeah but its a ripoff though of the other Marvel character Galactus.[07:48:23] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[07:49:34] <judgen> Galactus is my favourite marvel character.[07:56:58] <CIA-5> jackburton * r27843 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/network/ (8 files in 3 dirs):[07:56:58] <CIA-5> if_re freebsd driver, adapted for the build by Francesco Piccinini. It[07:56:58] <CIA-5> supports many Realtek based NIC which our own driver doesn't support[07:56:58] <CIA-5> (for example the RTL8101E). Thanks! Not added to the image yet, since it[07:56:58] <CIA-5> causes some problems on my laptop (but could well be caused by the[07:56:59] <CIA-5> freebsd compat layer, or by the scheduler)[08:03:02] <CIA-5> jackburton * r27844 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Menus can be scrolled also using the mouse wheel[08:24:50] <CIA-5> jackburton * r27845 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/acpi/acpi_ns_dump.c: removed useless sprintf() call, added a TODO[08:28:35] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[08:40:49] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[08:41:49] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[08:46:20] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[08:46:39] *** rcjsuen_ has quit IRC[09:09:18] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[09:23:13] *** mmlr has quit IRC[09:27:14] *** QuAZ has joined #haiku[09:30:46] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[09:31:02] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[09:41:13] *** Qu4Z has quit IRC[09:55:49] *** AndrevS has quit IRC[10:01:23] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[10:03:08] <CIA-5> stippi * r27846 /haiku/trunk/docs/welcome/ (53 files in 11 dirs):[10:03:08] <CIA-5> Contribution by Humdinger:[10:03:08] <CIA-5> Firt version of the "Welcome Package" introductory documentation.[10:06:44] *** rsanches has joined #haiku[10:19:42] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[10:20:22] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[10:24:04] *** tqh has joined #haiku[10:24:24] *** sdeken has quit IRC[10:44:27] *** Euver has joined #haiku[11:07:17] *** stippi has joined #haiku[11:07:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[11:10:37] *** rcjsuen_ has joined #haiku[11:11:42] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[11:12:01] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[11:16:25] *** rcjsuen_ has quit IRC[11:16:42] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[11:35:56] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[11:40:20] *** pyCube has quit IRC[11:40:57] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[11:44:49] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[11:47:25] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[11:55:22] *** dos4 has joined #haiku[12:05:35] *** miqlas has quit IRC[12:12:09] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[12:13:25] *** dr_evil has quit 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IRC[13:34:50] <CIA-5> julun * r27850 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/poorman/ (PoorManPreferencesWindow.cpp PoorManPreferencesWindow.h): * fix probable memory leaks, not in the image but anyway...[13:40:44] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[13:53:27] <CIA-5> julun * r27851 /haiku/trunk/src/ (5 files in 4 dirs): * fix probable memory leaks, not in the image but anyway...[13:53:51] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[13:54:21] <miqlas> Re![13:55:13] <miqlas> Whats the name of this sys-status application on this screen on the the right bottom corner??: http://lasueta.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/20030810-beos1.jpg[13:55:23] <CIA-5> julun * r27852 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/mediaconverter/MediaConverterWindow.cpp: * automatic whitespace cleanup[13:55:27] <miqlas> sorry, left bottom[13:58:15] *** daste has left #haiku[13:58:25] *** daste has joined #haiku[14:00:57] <CIA-5> julun * r27853 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/mediaconverter/MediaConverterWindow.cpp: * fix probable memory leaks[14:04:15] *** emitrax has quit 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r27861 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/ (Menu.cpp MenuBar.cpp): * White space cleanup.[14:49:38] *** sprma has quit IRC[14:49:49] *** knuckles_ekb has joined #haiku[14:50:16] *** xcasex[work] has quit IRC[15:17:59] *** Oscar-L has joined #haiku[15:19:52] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[15:21:30] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[15:21:47] *** wildur has quit IRC[15:22:14] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[15:49:51] *** ormandj_ is now known as ormandj[15:50:41] *** Stefan100 has joined #haiku[15:55:45] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[15:55:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[16:16:24] *** Stefan100 has quit IRC[16:16:39] *** Stefan100 has joined #haiku[16:18:55] *** BGA has quit IRC[16:21:04] *** Euver has quit IRC[16:21:38] *** MindChild has quit IRC[16:32:29] *** BGA has joined #haiku[16:32:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[16:33:25] <mmu_man> plop[16:36:30] <Stefan100> *boom*[16:37:05] <helf> WHAT DID YOU EAT!?[16:53:29] <Oscar-L> jackburton: "Menus can be scrolled also using the mouse wheel". nice![16:58:49] *** judgen has joined #haiku[16:59:05] <judgen> hehe irish people are impressing.[16:59:12] <judgen> They sure can drink.[16:59:25] <judgen> helf what is up with the 3 users.[16:59:53] <judgen> 3 different places?[16:59:59] *** MindChild has joined #haiku[17:00:12] <helf> yeah[17:00:19] <helf> home, work, grandparents (im up there constantly)[17:01:13] <judgen> Hehe im watchin the comedian Dom Irrera[17:01:15] <judgen> damn funny[17:01:49] *** aep has quit IRC[17:04:58] <judgen> Anyone got a good example of an american standup comic that is irish descendant that makes fun of it. Dennis Leary is obvious, but there got to be more.[17:06:04] <judgen> Dennis Leary is hillarious-[17:06:34] <DeadYak> morning[17:06:40] <tqh> evening[17:06:47] <judgen> Good afternoon[17:07:07] <Oscar-L> noon[17:07:28] <judgen> We sure are geographically spread out.[17:07:29] <aldeck> 5pm[17:07:40] <judgen> aldeck 17:08[17:07:54] <tqh> that is correct :)[17:07:55] <aldeck> judgen: right :)[17:08:07] <Oscar-L> 12:07[17:08:07] <judgen> i never learned AM/PM[17:08:28] <judgen> but i use the french cheat to remember =)[17:08:38] <judgen> Apres Midi.[17:08:43] <DeadYak> 10:09[17:09:13] <judgen> Ante meridiem sounds to confusing.[17:09:32] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[17:09:49] <judgen> 2nd beer =)[17:10:04] <Oscar-L> Haiku should default to 24 hours and "European Date" (WTF!!!) settings.[17:10:07] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[17:10:43] <Anarchos> i have a segment violation at address 0x800c0be0, i did a objdump -d on my binary, but i don't know to relate each other to track the piece of code causing problem[17:11:02] <judgen> Oscar-L why wtf? there is 24 hours in done day.[17:11:20] <Oscar-L> that always sound akward to me: "European date", heck, I'm not european... and I use DD/MM/YYYY[17:11:30] *** luroh has joined #haiku[17:11:39] <judgen> and the "europeans" didnt invent the 24hour time.[17:11:55] <judgen> Oscar-L smallest to largest. its more logical.[17:12:22] <judgen> MM/DD/YYY is a bit strange, as the days are smaller than months.[17:12:44] <Oscar-L> I mean... current defaults seems biased towards USA based users :) (AM/PM, MM/DD/YYYY formats)[17:12:55] <judgen> maybe.[17:12:59] <judgen> Oscar-L where are you?[17:13:51] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[17:13:53] *** Euver has joined #haiku[17:14:36] <judgen> i actually think the world should decide on one single timeszone.[17:14:43] <Oscar-L> América :)[17:14:43] <Oscar-L> Argentina actually ;)[17:14:43] <Oscar-L> grab the map, find america... go to the very south end.... there! :P[17:14:46] <judgen> does not matter if the sun rises over here at 22:00[17:14:56] <judgen> Oscar-L NM?[17:15:25] <Oscar-L> mmm, I meant the american continent, not the USA.[17:16:12] <Oscar-L> let me google map it for you...[17:17:52] <Oscar-L> http://maps.google.com/?q=Catamarca,%20Argentina[17:18:34] <judgen> oh[17:18:54] <judgen> wonder why we in europe call USA for america....[17:19:26] <judgen> even though all of america is one continent, we use "south" america to describe the part of america south of the panama channel.[17:19:47] <judgen> atleast in sweden[17:20:23][17:20:37] *** Oscar-L has quit IRC[17:21:18] <judgen> But i only went to buenos aires and the island in the south with all the penguins.[17:22:36] *** BuildFactory has joined #haiku[17:23:27] <judgen> btw anyone noticed that bolivia paraguay and argentina has no roads in google maps.[17:24:50] <judgen> also google maps suffers from the orange-peal syndrome...[17:25:50] <judgen> hehe greenland looks larger than russia...[17:25:53] <judgen> just silly[17:26:51] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[17:29:21] *** BGA has quit IRC[17:29:27] *** BGA has joined #haiku[17:29:27] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[17:29:48] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[17:30:23] <judgen> only 2 million km/2[17:31:23] <judgen> that makes denmark only the 13th largest country in the world[17:37:13] <judgen> Bah, noone talks.... its a little boring.[17:37:30][17:39:43] *** Euver has quit IRC[17:41:45] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[17:42:54] <HeTo> judgen: maybe we need a couple of bots like #anime so that we can create endless loops? :-P[17:44:40] *** daste has quit IRC[17:44:55] *** daste has joined #haiku[17:45:05] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[17:45:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[17:46:07] <judgen> HeTo hehe[17:46:31] <judgen> or a good topic that is challenging and fun.[17:46:41] *** daste has quit IRC[17:47:03] <judgen> like why there is so much kryptonite on earth and why every villain that tries to beat superman has a piece of it in his pocket.[17:47:39] <judgen> hehe crappy superhero[17:52:08] <judgen> HeTo what are you up to?[17:52:43] <judgen> i have to wait an entire hour before i can go to the party... so i have to do something. i cant believe how bored i am without my wife.[17:53:16] <HeTo> writing an essay for a university course[17:53:50] <judgen> ive read most inqruiging articles at digg. ive read all comments on osnews, read all mu usal comics, screened dvorak.org and the inquirer.net[17:53:59] <judgen> HeTo bah i did that ages ago.[17:54:14] <judgen> i will never go back to school, im finished.[17:54:29] <mmu_man> BGA tried last version ? http://revolf.free.fr/beos/netsurf-bone.zip[17:54:30] <judgen> or did you mean write one for someone else?[17:54:47] <judgen> mmu_man does it work on BeOS?[17:54:56] <HeTo> myself, just started this autumn[17:55:05] <judgen> HeTo what topics?[17:55:45] <HeTo> information security[17:55:51] <judgen> nice.[17:55:58] *** AndrevS has joined #haiku[17:56:14] <HeTo> the chapter I'm writing now deals with file permissions in Unix[17:56:21] <judgen> like encryption stuff or more manageable computerized tasks?[17:56:27] <judgen> oh[17:56:33] <judgen> file permissions..[17:56:35] <judgen> lol[17:56:46] <judgen> just use the man pages, and youll probably get an A[17:56:59] <helf> heh[17:57:21] <judgen> also for more detailed stuff read the source code to unix.[17:57:22] <HeTo> the essay will only be judged approved/failed[17:57:47] <judgen> limits?[17:57:53] <HeTo> I do know the things I'm writing about, the difficult part is finding some sources to refer to :-/[17:58:15] <HeTo> mind you, this is an introductory computing course[17:58:23] <judgen> oooh[17:58:36] <judgen> fun stuff[17:58:56] <mmu_man> judgen on BONE yes[17:59:04] <judgen> when i went to the university, they had a maximum and minimum amount of pages too.[17:59:37] <judgen> guess the examinators was lazy, or just didnt want to read thousands of pages of drivel[18:00:12] <HeTo> yeah it must be 5-7 pages excluding the contents and the references for the whole essay[18:00:33] <judgen> easy as pie![18:00:45] <judgen> i thought it was like a 50+ page essay[18:01:40] <HeTo> well as I said I just started there this autumn, and this is the introductory computing course :-)[18:01:42] <judgen> hehe like a nerd i knew that was writing just said take the most important part and use that till youve filled 75% or the contents. then god wild.[18:01:47] <judgen> go wild*[18:02:01] <helf> heh, the original MC68000 was made using a 3500nm process[18:02:10] <helf> we are moving to 45 and 32nm processes already..[18:02:10] <HeTo> also the content listing is already given[18:02:13] <judgen> helf haha mM[18:02:53] <judgen> HeTo to get 7 pages, just use tha man pages for various utillities as reference. and youll be fine.[18:03:00] <judgen> manpages also have authors.[18:03:42] <miqlas> Whats the name of this sys-status application on this screen on the the left bottom corner??: http://lasueta.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/20030810-beos1.jpg[18:03:42] <judgen> helf do you think we will ever hit the "magical" barrier where we cant get it smaller?[18:04:08] <judgen> miqlas i know its written in yab[18:04:20] <judgen> by the same guy that made the osx dock for BeOS[18:04:26] <judgen> i dont remember its name though[18:04:33] <miqlas> oh, ok. thanks![18:04:50] <judgen> np[18:05:30] <judgen> nice desktop btw. Whos is it?[18:05:47] <HeTo> I thought about just sticking (FreeBSD Handbook) after every paragraph, and put some occasional reference to a man page[18:05:52] <helf> judgen, probably[18:06:40] <judgen> HeTo allthough people might tell you im a piece of turd for saying so, sunos is closer to unix than bsd.[18:06:55] <HeTo> hehe, never actually tried having a directory with read permissions but without execute permissions before[18:06:59] *** baaina has joined #haiku[18:07:13] <judgen> +r instead of +rwx?[18:07:17] <judgen> rofl[18:07:21] <HeTo> judgen: yeah[18:07:27] <HeTo> you get quite funny results :-)[18:07:35] <judgen> hehe yeah[18:07:48] <HeTo> 19:04 [henkka@bootes testi-henkka]$ echo moi/*[18:07:48] <HeTo> moi/hei moi/terve[18:07:48] <HeTo> 19:04 [henkka@bootes testi-henkka]$ ls moi[18:07:48] <HeTo> ls: hei: Permission denied[18:07:48] <HeTo> ls: terve: Permission denied[18:07:50] <HeTo> 19:08 [henkka@bootes testi-henkka]$[18:08:11] <judgen> hehe[18:08:15] <judgen> Suomi?[18:08:22] <HeTo> yep[18:08:48] <judgen> I love finns, they are my closes neighbours. if you know what i mean.[18:09:05] <judgen> my actual closes neighbour is an indian dude called Alaswah[18:09:14] <HeTo> I wonder, if I use script to make some logs of a terminal session, and put those on my web site, will that be a proper source for reference :-)[18:09:15] <judgen> closest*[18:09:49] <judgen> HeTo as long as you didnt write the log or alter it, wich is very hard for you to proove. yes.[18:10:36] <judgen> 50 min to the party... im allready shaking[18:10:53] <judgen> HeTo native finn or FES?[18:11:44] <HeTo> native[18:12:14] <judgen> Do you speak swedish? or are you one of the fenoman movement?[18:12:49] <judgen> And where in finland do you come from.[18:13:33][18:13:56][18:14:03] <judgen> i prefer small towns and cities.[18:14:04] <HeTo> well every Finn should speak Swedish :-) (yeah I know a lot of people don't pay attention during the Swedish lessons and forget everything they do still happen to learn)[18:15:22] <HeTo> I've lived in Tampere for my whole life (and still do, as you probably can guess if you look at my host)[18:15:35][18:16:11] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[18:16:24] <HeTo> I never heard of such a condition[18:16:32] <judgen> in kerelen people are worse than rural french. they refuse to speak swedish, german, english and russian for some reason.[18:17:12] *** naaina has quit IRC[18:17:19] <judgen> HeTo go to your university library and read about the swedish-finnish chrisis that amost resulted in a war.[18:17:46] <HeTo> but the reason why Swedish is still mandatory is because the party for the Swedish-speaking population will usually agree with any government as long as the status of Swedish isn't affected[18:18:18][18:19:03] <judgen> HeTo true. and i find finnish very intriguing. And as i live so close to the border i aim to learn it somdeay[18:19:09] <judgen> someday[18:19:13] <judgen> im getting drunk.[18:19:34] <judgen> its a beutiful language when finns are not angry.[18:20:05] <judgen> then its like impossible for any other human beeing to understand what they mean, except understanding that they are upset.[18:20:27] <Begasus> evening peeps[18:20:51] <judgen> Begasus i was meaning to ask you something...[18:20:56] <judgen> Begasus hope you dont mind.[18:21:25] <judgen> You mentioned in a forum post that you were using a intel gma 950 driver. and where can i find it=[18:21:26] <judgen> ?[18:21:56] <Begasus> it's an integrated graphic chip on the laptop[18:22:01] <judgen> i know[18:22:09] <Begasus> the one I'm using in ZETA is on zeta-games.com[18:22:11] <judgen> but where idd you find the driver.[18:22:20] <Begasus> the one in Haiku is from haiku's tree[18:22:22] <judgen> ok im trying it out.[18:22:39] <judgen> Begasus do you use it in zeta?[18:23:03] <judgen> Begasus zeta R1.51 here on this system.[18:23:51] <Begasus> as said ... in ZETA I'm using the one from zeta-games[18:23:57] <Begasus> also 1.51[18:23:59] *** markos_ has quit IRC[18:24:00] <judgen> nice.[18:24:17] <judgen> thankyou for your help.[18:25:02] <Begasus> np[18:33:34] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[18:39:52] *** stippi has quit IRC[18:41:19] *** wildur has quit IRC[18:43:32] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[18:43:59] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[18:43:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[18:44:31] <judgen> the info says: Small update on resolution for widescreen monitors.[18:44:45] <judgen> so its the same driver as the 1.51 driver?[18:49:47] <Begasus> the update should only include the 1200x800 resolution[18:51:25] <judgen> darn[18:51:40] <judgen> Thankyou for all your patience with me.[18:51:49] <judgen> ill see you next week[18:52:10] <judgen> party![18:52:16] <HeTo> oh great, I have made OOo writer automatically number the headings in my essay[18:52:18] *** judgen has quit IRC[18:52:29] <HeTo> and it's worked so far with level 2 headings[18:52:59] <HeTo> but now that I wrote another level 1 heading, it did number that as well[18:53:19] <HeTo> (without me specifically instructing it to do so)[18:53:57] <HeTo> but why the heck did it give that heading also number 1 when it's already the second level 1 heading in the document?[18:55:05] <HeTo> now if I make a third level 1 heading, it gets number 2, so it clearly works there as it should[18:56:01] <HeTo> but why does it lose track of the numbering in the first section when it automatically still remembered to at least number the second section?[18:58:13] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[19:03:44] *** sprma has joined #haiku[19:08:06] <Monni> *boing*[19:09:37] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[19:20:17] *** Qu4Z_ has quit IRC[19:29:11] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[19:31:45] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[19:35:36] *** Dane_ has quit IRC[19:42:58] *** Hoern has joined #Haiku[19:43:59] <Hoern> hi[19:44:15] <Begasus> hi[19:44:40] <MindChild> hi[19:45:06] <mmlr> hi[19:45:48] <miqlas> hi[19:47:05] <luroh> hi[19:47:33] *** criso has joined #Haiku[19:51:14] <Hoern> *grml* this mainboard manual sucks - no mention if -5V is really needed :-([19:56:49] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[19:56:51] <plfiorini> hi[19:57:03] <mmlr> hi[19:57:21] <Monni> all negative voltages are pretty much stupid and unnecessary...[20:04:27] <Begasus> can someone log into BeBits with their account?[20:07:17] <criso> ?[20:07:18] <mmlr> Begasus: seems to work for me[20:07:46] <Begasus> can't seem to login ..[20:08:01] <criso> you can't have any voltage without negative volatage[20:08:05] <Begasus> even requested a new pswd but no luck[20:08:17] <criso> but, positive ions are bad for health[20:08:30] <criso> It'd be much better to have positive ground equipment[20:08:43] <mmlr> maybe clear cookies/caches?[20:09:27] <Begasus> checking ...[20:09:37] <mmlr> I think mmu_man wasn't able to login some days ago as well[20:10:45] *** Hoern2 has joined #Haiku[20:11:15] <Begasus> hmm .. no luck still :/[20:11:32] <Begasus> mmlr, is this with your regular account or your dev account?[20:11:43] <mmlr> with the dev account[20:11:51] <Begasus> dev account also works here[20:11:57] <mmlr> ah[20:12:01] <mmlr> didn't try the other one[20:12:11] <Begasus> ;)[20:12:36] <Begasus> want to add a location to BumpRace but I can't when I'm not logged in as a user[20:13:08] <Begasus> nope .. no luck ... :s[20:13:38] <mmlr> yeah, seems broken[20:13:39] <plfiorini> Begasus, it didn't work for me yesterady[20:14:11] <Begasus> to bad ...[20:15:44] * plfiorini is transferring osdrawer.net to a new hosting[20:15:59] * plfiorini crossing his fingers[20:16:09] <mmlr> looks like there is no cookie written[20:16:11] <Begasus> don't cross them now ;)[20:16:34] <Begasus> shifting everything over plfiorini ?[20:16:37] <plfiorini> not when i write[20:16:41] <Begasus> ;)[20:16:55] *** sprma has quit IRC[20:17:22] <plfiorini> yeah there will be some downtime[20:18:06] *** AndrevS is now known as Andre_Radio[20:18:27] *** Hoern has quit IRC[20:18:28] *** Hoern2 is now known as Hoern[20:18:55] <plfiorini> wow[20:18:59] <plfiorini> haiku welcome package![20:19:04] *** mmlr has quit IRC[20:19:29] <adb> url! http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/sep/29/cloud.computing.richard.stallman[20:19:37] <Monni> I hope they did write it in haiku form ;)[20:20:01] <adb> plfiorini, ^^^[20:23:42] <plfiorini> adb, he's not completely wrong - you loose control over your data but those apps are very cool[20:24:30] <plfiorini> i can see mail and chat logs at home or at work, there's no difference[20:24:45] <plfiorini> i can work on some documents where i want[20:26:41] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[20:27:02] <Monni> hola urnenfeld[20:27:12] <urnenfeld> Hola Monni[20:29:33] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[20:31:29] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[20:45:42] <helf> plfiorini, you can also set up your own home machine to be accessible anywhere :P[20:45:58] <helf> i dont have any issues with using 3rd parties for emails or something.. but some of it.. bleh :P[20:46:11] <plfiorini> i love google apps :D[20:46:43] <plfiorini> most of this stuff has APIs to access the data and that is cool to integrate them with your desktop[20:46:58] <plfiorini> (it's actually one of the projects i have for haiku)[20:47:20] <helf> I dunno, it just doesnt excite me :P[20:47:28] <helf> probably because i dont have any kind of use for that[20:56:16] *** petterhj has quit IRC[21:03:57] *** criso has quit IRC[21:04:57] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[21:06:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[21:08:12] *** DBAlex has joined #haiku[21:15:36] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[21:16:11] *** TheNerd has joined #haiku[21:17:10] <senry-user> hello[21:20:15] *** senry-user has quit IRC[21:30:19] *** korli has joined #haiku[21:30:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[21:32:56] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[21:40:48] *** warpdesign has joined #haiku[21:42:16] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[21:48:08] <Begasus> g'night peeps[21:49:12] *** Begasus has quit IRC[21:49:46] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[21:50:06] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[21:58:08] *** BGA has quit IRC[21:59:02] *** miqlas has quit IRC[22:08:09] *** pyCube_ has joined #haiku[22:08:09] *** pyCube has quit IRC[22:08:31] *** oco has joined #haiku[22:10:25] *** leszek has joined #haiku[22:10:42] <leszek> hi[22:14:14] *** emitrax has quit IRC[22:21:04] *** Andre_Radio is now known as A-v-S[22:22:56] *** knuckles_ekb has quit IRC[22:29:31] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:31:15] *** brechtm has joined #haiku[22:31:21] <brechtm> hi[22:31:26] <mmu_man> plop[22:31:32] *** korli has quit IRC[22:32:00] <mmu_man> brechtm: it's BeMail that doesn't like TAB chars in mail headers[22:32:11] <mmu_man> it sends it back incorrectly[22:32:29] <mmu_man> ppl should just not use tabs in list names anyway[22:33:11] <mmu_man> anyone can post on the ml ? I'm at my parents ATM, can't post[22:33:34] <mmu_man> I have some comments on the welcome package after trying on NetSurf:[22:33:59] <mmu_man> oco : ?[22:34:11] <mmu_man> dr_evil maybe ?[22:34:13] <oco> oui ?[22:34:21] <oco> je lis ;-)[22:34:25] <mmu_man> oco : can you post that on the ml ?[22:35:03] <mmu_man> the headers should use <div> instead, else NS adds padding on the blue lines[22:35:23] <mmu_man> quotes aren't needed but they should be in[22:35:27] <brechtm> mmu_man: didn't know there was a tab in the list name[22:35:51] <mmu_man> brechtm : well the ml processor adds it someway in the headers to wrap the lines[22:36:35] <oco> mmu_man : je dois reprendre le texte de I have some...[22:36:35] <brechtm> oh[22:36:46] <oco> à <tr> in tables ?[22:36:49] <brechtm> you have the same problems with the MLs on berlios?[22:37:21] <brechtm> they also use mailman[22:37:27] <mmu_man> oco : it has <table> ... <td></td></tr><td>...[22:37:39] *** leszek has quit IRC[22:37:44] <mmu_man> brechtm : on some others but not all[22:37:50] <brechtm> anyone can post, but I have to approve non-member posts[22:38:01] <mmu_man> on ffmpeg-devel I must remove the name to leave the email only and it passes[22:38:04] <mmu_man> just painful[22:38:19] <oco> mmu_man : ???[22:38:55] <mmu_man> oco : il manque les <tr> donc il n'affiche qu'une ligne[22:39:26] <mmu_man> gtg[22:39:54] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[22:40:06] <oco> mmu_man : oui, mais je dois reprendre tout le bloc de "I have some comments..."[22:40:32] <oco> mmu_man : à "Workshop page..." ? non ?[22:46:48] *** _Lucretia__ has joined #haiku[22:51:50] *** urnenfeld has quit IRC[23:02:27] *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC[23:13:10] <helf2> ``This credit crisis has the power to grind the U.S. economy to a halt,'' Schwarzenegger wrote in a letter e-mailed to Paulson.[23:13:12] <helf2> i think they meant[23:13:46] <helf2> "Thahs crehdit crahsis has da POWAH to grand da OO ESS ecahnahmee to ah hahlt[23:13:47] <helf2> "[23:19:22] <Monni> lol[23:26:24] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[23:31:06] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:32:23] *** digitalteufel has joined #haiku[23:33:42] *** DHowett has left #haiku[23:44:56] *** hub_ has joined #haiku[23:47:35] *** digitalteufel has quit IRC[23:48:02] *** Euver has joined #haiku[23:50:14] *** warpdesign has quit IRC[23:53:51] *** hub_ has quit IRC[23:54:45] *** SnowBuddha has joined #haiku[23:54:49] <brechtm> goodnight[23:54:52] *** brechtm has quit IRC