September 30, 2008 
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September 30, 2008 [00:00:38] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:03:55] *** rcjsuen_ has quit IRC[00:04:52] <CIA-5> julun * r27785 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/screenshot/ (ScreenshotWindow.cpp ScreenshotWindow.h):[00:04:52] <CIA-5> * save the last output location[00:04:52] <CIA-5> * save the last used output format[00:04:52] <CIA-5> * save the last 5 choosen locations[00:04:52] <CIA-5> * don't do any window init in silent mode[00:05:11] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[00:05:27] *** korli has quit IRC[00:08:01] *** DBAlex has quit IRC[00:11:46] *** boh666 has quit IRC[00:17:09] *** korli has joined #haiku[00:17:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[00:24:04] *** korli has quit IRC[00:30:12] *** korli has joined #haiku[00:30:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[00:32:58] <CIA-5> bonefish * r27786 /haiku/trunk/data/etc/licenses/GNU LGPL v2: Added GNU LGPL v2.[00:36:58] *** korli has quit IRC[00:43:33] *** korli has joined #haiku[00:43:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[00:48:00] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[00:55:45] *** Guma_ has joined #haiku[00:55:46] *** judgen has joined #haiku[00:55:58] <judgen> Yay the bailout failed![00:56:17] <judgen> The oil prices are dropping, and taxes remain lower.[00:56:44] <judgen> down to 96usd barrel soon[00:57:59] <judgen> Hehe just a few months ago alaysts said it would probably never drop below 120 again.[00:58:30] <mmu_man> damn, just when I was thinking ppl would finally switch to bicycles :-([00:59:08] <mmadia> mmu_man: there are more people riding them in my area these days.[00:59:35] *** _Bombe is now known as Bombe[01:00:05] *** lucas_amorim has joined #haiku[01:00:13] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[01:00:46] *** korli has quit IRC[01:01:38] <judgen> mmu_man And libya is opening up their oil trade to europe now. 3.3 million barrels a DAY in 2012[01:02:28] <judgen> If only the us president was a little nicer to Prsedident Mohammar then the us could benefit from that oil too.[01:02:59] <judgen> Calling him a Terrorist harborer will not help =P[01:04:07] <lucas_amorim> Hello! I am interested in the Haiku OS, do you know how I could install it to a usb stick from a linux system? I have tried running "dd if=haiku-image-file oflag=direct of=/dev/sdd"[01:04:16] <lucas_amorim> but it did not boot...[01:05:15] <mmadia> lucas_amorim: http://www.haiku-os.org/documents/user/how_to_get_haiku_booted[01:05:41] <judgen> lucas_amorim 1. Is your system able to boot other systems from usb? 2.Is your USB chipset supported?[01:06:10] <mmadia> lucas_amorim : and you should tell us more precisely how haiku didn't boot ;)[01:07:13] <judgen> brb reboot[01:07:14] <lucas_amorim> judgen: yes to 1. , Where is the supported chipset list[01:07:24] <leszek> gn8@all[01:07:37] <judgen> lucas_amorim any OHCI or UHCI works afaik.[01:07:44] <lucas_amorim> mmadia: it went streaight to grub, didn't even tried to find the image there[01:07:50] *** leszek has quit IRC[01:07:58] *** judgen has quit IRC[01:07:59] <lucas_amorim> try*[01:08:08] <lucas_amorim> straight*[01:09:32] <lucas_amorim> I am gonna try this: dd if=/path/to/image of=/dev/sdb[01:09:41] <lucas_amorim> its in the link you gave me ;)[01:10:18] <mmadia> don't go randomly plugging at /dev's[01:11:32] <mmadia> figure out how to determine the appropriate /dev thing[01:12:41] *** judgen has joined #haiku[01:17:13] <lucas_amorim> The machine I am trying to boot haiku is an Asus Eee Pc.. So, should I just dd if=/path/to/image of=/dev/sdd and boot it?[01:17:29] <judgen> lucas_amorim yup[01:18:19] *** MegafEee is now known as Megaf|Away[01:24:06] <judgen> reboot[01:24:13] *** judgen has quit IRC[01:26:32] *** judgen has joined #haiku[01:26:55] <judgen> Anyone know a trick of getting 1920x1080 resolution working?[01:30:08] <mmu_man> http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl ?[01:30:25] <mmu_man> it should be possible to stuff modeline values in ~/config/settings/app_server_settings[01:30:48] <judgen> mmu_man does modelines work in BeOS/Haiku?[01:30:58] <judgen> i know how to use modelines with X.org[01:31:06] <mmu_man> BeOS stores something very close to the modelines in app_server_settings[01:31:25] <mmu_man> now, I'm not sure all drivers like non-standard modelines[01:33:11] <judgen> mmu_man i thought 1080i was pretty standard mode.[01:34:01] <judgen> highest i get in the screen prefs panel is 1440 i think.[01:34:40] <mmu_man> it depends if the driver can get the DDC info or has a fixed list[01:35:48] <judgen> mmu_man in Linux without the modeline in the xorg max i get with nv is 640x480 and with nvidia i get 800x600 max.[01:36:39] <judgen> I tried to use a intel gma graphics card too, but that seems to be unsupported in haiku/BeOS/Zeta.[01:37:43] *** lucas_amorim_ has joined #haiku[01:39:10] *** lucas_amorim has quit IRC[01:45:11] <CIA-5> bonefish * r27787 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/debug/Jamfile: Cleanup.[01:46:12] *** TheNerd_3 has quit IRC[01:47:57] *** Guma_ has quit IRC[01:48:55] <CIA-5> bonefish * r27788 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/debug/profile/ (6 files):[01:48:55] <CIA-5> More refactoring:[01:48:55] <CIA-5> * Moved the BasicThreadProfileResult class, its subclasses and related[01:48:55] <CIA-5> code into separate files.[01:48:55] <CIA-5> * Made ThreadImage an abstract base class. Pulled the meaty part into[01:48:55] <CIA-5> new subclass BasicThreadImage.[01:48:58] <CIA-5> * Templatized AbstractThreadProfileResult over the ThreadImage type.[01:52:46] *** helf2 has joined #haiku[01:53:07] <helf2> i has interweb![01:53:15] <judgen> helf2 grats =)[01:53:30] <judgen> You didnt before?[01:53:35] <helf2> Courtesy of my neighbors across the street and my new 15dbi antenna[01:53:39] <helf2> nope[01:53:43] <helf2> cant really afford it[01:53:49] <helf2> unless i go with something like dialup[01:53:49] <judgen> Oh crap[01:54:00] <judgen> Isnt broadband alot cheaper than dialup?[01:54:10] <helf2> ill stick with this 54mbit low quality signal and ~2mbit connection[01:54:34] <helf2> uh, no :P[01:54:35] <helf2> dialup is $10/m, broadband worth having its 40-60/m[01:55:00] <judgen> I dont think you can get dialup in sweden anymore. but i aint sure. with 98% 3G coverage, and fibre in all towns i dont see the point of dialup anyways =)[01:55:08] <helf2> too bad the huge antenna sitting out my window aimed at the house isnt very subtle[01:55:15] <judgen> hehe[01:55:55] <judgen> there are a few DSL users still in the inland somewhere i think.[01:57:58] <judgen> oh shit, i didnt know vision in Zeta had svg smileys![01:58:01] <judgen> EEW[01:59:03] <judgen> Kinda cool thing i didnt know was that transmission in Zeta is 1.2, thus compatible with most trackers.[01:59:41] <judgen> 0.7 i think is the newest for BeOS.[02:04:01] <helf2> i killed my beos installation[02:05:45] *** lucas_amorim_ has quit IRC[02:12:02] <judgen> helf2 ok[02:20:09] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku[02:25:22] *** mmadia has quit IRC[02:27:02] *** quinq has quit IRC[02:32:07] <judgen> i cant seem to configure haiku for building.[02:32:28] <judgen> ./configure: line 116: gcc: command not found[02:32:34] <judgen> and some more of those[02:34:19] *** paulojbe has joined #haiku[02:37:02] <paulojbe> hi, anybody knows how can i determine if an inode is a directory or file inode?[02:38:44] <judgen> I think most people are sleaping, ony me talking...[02:38:49] <judgen> i do that sometimes.[02:39:03] <paulojbe> :)[02:39:21] <paulojbe> i'm from brazil, here is 9:39 pm[02:42:05] *** adrianors has joined #haiku[02:45:12] <judgen> nice[02:45:17] <judgen> its 02:45 here[02:46:36] <paulojbe> from brazil?[02:46:53] <paulojbe> sorry[02:49:00] *** be-bop has joined #haiku[02:58:53] *** anarchos has joined #haiku[02:59:42] <judgen> Im from sweden[03:01:04] *** acidx has quit IRC[03:08:04] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[03:08:42] *** helf2 has quit IRC[03:10:25] *** paulojbe has quit IRC[03:12:36] <judgen> argh[03:26:03] <mmu_man> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Image:Errors.png[03:26:26] *** petterhj has quit IRC[03:28:21] <be-bop> mmu_man: That site is hilarious[03:28:56] <judgen> Why does the compiler hate me..[03:29:42] *** helf2 has joined #haiku[03:29:43] <judgen> MergeObjectFromObjects1 actions too long (max 10240)![03:30:18] <judgen> all i want to do is compile the nvidia driver for BeOS.....[03:30:41] *** helf2 has quit IRC[03:30:43] <judgen> and it seem the one in the build factory has not been built for ages.[03:31:46] <mmu_man> judgen use the updated jam[03:32:11] <judgen> i just downloaded the one i found on haiku-os.[03:32:15] <judgen> is there another version?[03:32:38] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[03:32:58] <judgen> mmu_man isnt http://www.haiku-os.org/files/jam.zip the right one?[03:34:43] <mmu_man> should be[03:34:52] <mmu_man> maybe it's not updated[03:34:54] *** helf2 has joined #haiku[03:35:12] <helf2> hi[03:35:12] <helf2> signal went all flaky for a bit[03:40:36] <judgen> Another attempt....[03:41:44] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[03:42:37] <judgen> failed C++ generated/objects/dano/x86/release/build/libhaikucompat/GraphicsDefs.o[03:43:05] <helf2> heh[03:43:14] <helf2> my download speeds are maxing at 25kb/s[03:43:23] <helf2> oh well[03:43:23] <helf2> free internet is free internet :)[03:43:29] <judgen> im going to try and build something else...[03:43:33] <judgen> helf2 thats very true[03:44:09] <helf2> hows the Amiga, judgen? :) do you use it as your main computer?[03:44:18] <helf2> i want to get an a4k before the end of the year[03:44:40] <judgen> No not really, but i booted it last weekend to try out origyn[03:44:46] <judgen> a4k is flawed.[03:44:59] <judgen> a3k is faster and better and les prone to failiure.[03:45:13] <judgen> also now that amigaos4 and the efika is out, why not get one of those?[03:46:00] <judgen> bah i give up on BeOS for today. Brb.[03:46:04] *** judgen has quit IRC[03:46:24] <helf2> the a3k doesnt have the AGA chipset...[04:01:47] *** thotypous has quit IRC[04:03:50] *** mmadia has quit IRC[04:18:31] *** Dane_ has joined #Haiku[04:18:42] *** adrianors has quit IRC[04:18:45] <Dane_> hello[04:21:06] <anarchos> hi[04:22:01] *** helf2 has quit IRC[04:25:54] *** helf2 has joined #haiku[04:26:32] <helf2> darn[04:26:38] <helf2> i briefly had 2 bars of signal..[04:27:17] *** helf2 has quit IRC[04:31:35] *** adu has joined #haiku[04:36:02] *** judgen has joined #haiku[04:37:45] *** be-bop has left #haiku[04:43:32] *** adu has left #haiku[04:45:10] *** anarchos has quit IRC[04:52:04] *** anarchos has joined #haiku[04:53:13] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[05:00:57] *** xcasex_ has quit IRC[05:02:33] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[05:05:24] *** InfTek has joined #haiku[05:05:50] <InfTek> Hello........ Can Haiku run on an intel mac?[05:07:04] <judgen> InfTek i think there was a guy that claimed it booted atleast, but i dont think all hardware is supported[05:07:14] <InfTek> ahh[05:07:15] <InfTek> ok[05:07:17] <InfTek> thx[05:07:46] <judgen> Kinda hassle to get it on there though i guess.[05:08:09][05:08:30] <InfTek> ok[05:08:34] <InfTek> trying that now[05:10:51] <AlienSoldier> something tell me apple will not stay x86 for more than 2 year[05:11:26] <InfTek> heh[05:11:28] <InfTek> maybe[05:11:40] *** j has joined #haiku[05:11:45] <InfTek> diggin my 8 core mac though[05:12:26] <judgen> ok[05:12:45] <judgen> InfTek Macpro or a hackintosh?[05:12:51] <InfTek> MacPro[05:12:54] <judgen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Total_assets_of_each_Federal_Reserve_Bank.gif[05:12:55] <judgen> hahaha[05:13:12] <judgen> where the hell were the FED going to get those 700billion from?[05:13:15] <InfTek> 8x 2.8 10GB mem[05:13:31] <InfTek> from tax payers[05:14:53] <judgen> Well no, they were not going to use actual taxmoney. They were going to put an inflation tax on the american people by printing more money (or to be exact creating credit from debt, thus putting more of a debt on the government wich would have to be solved by forreign loans to not crash the dollar.)[05:15:15] <judgen> rather dangerous[05:15:26] <pyCube> capitalism? yeah.. totally dangerous[05:15:38] <pyCube> someday people will figure that out[05:16:05] <AlienSoldier> printing money is actually the only way to screw all tax evasion scheme[05:16:10] <judgen> good god im happy they didnt get that bill through. And now the oil is down from 130usd/barrel from 6months ago to soon to be 90usd. This crisis seems to be solving.[05:16:40] <InfTek> Dow fell 778 pts..... not solving hehe[05:16:56] <judgen> Winder what would have happened to the dollar when that 700billion would get in circulation.[05:17:14] <AlienSoldier> dow was down 777 point, kinda give those casino comparaison a whole new flavor[05:17:31] <judgen> InfTek those points are just air anyways, those are overvalued compnies owning property and goods that noone wants.[05:17:49] <InfTek> they will pass some sort of bill by Wednesday[05:18:05] <InfTek> I hope it's not a Bail Out.... but a Work Out[05:18:11] <judgen> Bad assets must be liquidated or it just build up even worse further on.[05:18:56] <judgen> InfTek LOL apple dont even have a mac on their front page anymore.[05:19:08] <pyCube> the bad asset is the system itself[05:19:48] <InfTek> whats that mean judgen?[05:20:21] <judgen> InfTek im out of topic on the apple thing, just that apple seems to shifting away from computers more and mroe for every year.[05:20:32] <geist> yeah, i can buy that[05:20:38] <geist> steve isn't really into computers anymore[05:20:59] <InfTek> not so sure about that..... they have more of the market share than ever[05:21:19] <InfTek> of course Vista had a bit to do with that[05:21:49] <judgen> InfTek they have alot less marketshare by % than they did along time ago.[05:22:09] <AlienSoldier> apple will sell subprime producxt soon[05:22:19] <AlienSoldier> *product[05:22:29] <AlienSoldier> and credit card[05:22:34] <InfTek> heh[05:22:37] <InfTek> maybe[05:22:45] <InfTek> but I am loving it for now[05:22:56] <judgen> InfTek http://media.arstechnica.com/news.media/1q08world-1.png[05:23:17] <InfTek> PC vendor[05:23:18] <judgen> apple does have ~3% marketshare in the world.[05:23:31] <judgen> http://media.arstechnica.com/news.media/1q08us-1.png[05:23:38] <judgen> they are bigger in the US though[05:24:04] <anarchos> i'd like to see figures for just laptops[05:24:11] <judgen> anarchos good point[05:24:15] <anarchos> i bet apple's killing the laptop market[05:24:20] <InfTek> I love macs[05:24:27] * anarchos does too[05:24:31] <InfTek> was a PC guy for a long time[05:24:36] <InfTek> glad I switched[05:24:45] <judgen> InfTek where did you buy the extra ram for your Macpro?[05:24:50] <anarchos> i was linux/beos/windows for a long long time[05:24:52] <AlienSoldier> apple succes is kinda illusion right now, they surf on the i pod, even the iphone would die fast withou level from ipods[05:24:54] <anarchos> now, all mac[05:25:01] <anarchos> until haiku is more usable :P[05:25:24] <judgen> i use BeOS, AmigaOS and Linux.[05:25:38] <InfTek> Crucial[05:25:44] <InfTek> Crucial Memory[05:25:53] <judgen> I sold my mac, i got frustrated over some very pathetic things that i cant hardly remember....[05:26:07] <InfTek> I used BeOS 4 and 5[05:26:12] <judgen> InfTek was you base setup 8gb or 4gb?[05:26:17] <anarchos> i hate to say it, but i looooove OSX. when i think about what i want in a Haiku R2, i basically think of features from OSX that i'd like to see used by haiku :P[05:26:19] <InfTek> base was 2GB[05:26:46] <InfTek> I bought an extra 8 GB[05:27:03] <InfTek> and an 8800GT ;)[05:27:42] <anarchos> that would be a sick haiku setup :P[05:27:59] <InfTek> It started nicely in VM[05:28:00] <judgen> InfTek did you pay 306usd just for the memory?[05:28:04] <anarchos> seems like it would be a perfect fit for the 2-8 core setups that everyone has[05:28:38] <judgen> InfTek the 8gb kit is[05:28:38] <judgen> US $599.99[05:28:40] <judgen> =)[05:28:44] <judgen> ouch[05:28:47] <InfTek> the price was something like 380 to 400 I think[05:28:53] <InfTek> can't remember[05:29:18] <InfTek> actually got it from CDW through our corporate account[05:29:41] <InfTek> Itwas no more than 400[05:29:58] <InfTek> or my wife would have shot me[05:30:02] <pyCube> anarchos: what do you like about osx?[05:30:46] <judgen> InfTek aaah corporate account. No sales tax/VAT then?[05:31:04] <InfTek> we pay sales tax ;([05:31:10] <InfTek> but e get discounts[05:31:20] <judgen> ok[05:31:28] <anarchos> pyCube: well im not exactly sure, really! it just seems to work very very well[05:31:40] <InfTek> we buy servers from them[05:31:42] <judgen> wonder what i would do with 2x16gb DDR3? =)[05:31:49] <InfTek> heh[05:31:51] <anarchos> i love the dock. i love 'expose' where i can have the windows just zoon out of the way when i need something on the desktop[05:31:53] <InfTek> anything you want[05:32:04] <judgen> anarchos there is a nice dock for BeOS too.[05:32:38] <pyCube> anarchos: i use osx daily (on a macbook pro at the moment)..I thought i liked osx for a couple months, but anymore It kind of bothers me[05:32:55] <InfTek> well guys........ nice talking to you......... getting late here[05:33:03] <judgen> And i also think there was an app for hot corners for BeOS too, but not as fancy as expose[05:33:10] <pyCube> as for exposé etc.. i WAY prefer compiz-fusion on my linux boxes.. far more useful[05:33:14] <anarchos> pyCube: it's the first time i've actually really couldn't find a single major fault with an OS[05:33:16] <pyCube> for me anyways[05:33:28] <judgen> pyCube agree on compiz[05:33:33] <anarchos> idunno i've never used compiz[05:33:42] *** InfTek has quit IRC[05:33:49] <pyCube> anarchos: here's a fault.. try resizing a window form somewhere other than the bottom right corner[05:33:56] <pyCube> from[05:34:33] <anarchos> yeah, but you have to do that anyways if you want to resize on both axis'[05:34:42] <judgen> something i dislike and at the sime like with linux is the filesystem hirarchy, but i have gotten used to it.[05:34:44] <anarchos> which i'd think 90% of the time you want to do...[05:34:45] <pyCube> i dont[05:35:21] <judgen> anarchos me neither actually, i mostly resize sideways.[05:35:36] <anarchos> well if you just say grab the bottom border on a window in windows or whatever, you can only resize how tall the app is...you cant resize left and right[05:35:51] <pyCube> alt+middle click lets me resize freely, from anywhere in the window[05:36:04] <pyCube> both axisisisieisiseisis[05:36:11] <anarchos> does it just like 'zoom' it?[05:36:17] <pyCube> no[05:36:21] <anarchos> so it stays the same aspect ratio?[05:36:27] <pyCube> no[05:36:29] <anarchos> hmm, that would be pretty good[05:36:42] <pyCube> alt+middle drag, that is[05:36:45] <anarchos> yea[05:36:50] <anarchos> in linux?[05:36:53] <pyCube> yeah[05:36:55] <anarchos> kde or gnome?[05:36:59] <anarchos> or other[05:37:00] <pyCube> gnome[05:37:03] <judgen> pyCube i had an compiz plugin where i could resize with alt+scrollwheel(left right) and altGR+scrollweel(up down)[05:37:24] <anarchos> that's one thing i'd love to see with R2+ is a accelerated interface[05:37:27] <pyCube> judgen: yeah.. theres one that actually scales the window lke that.. shelf plugin, or something[05:37:51] <judgen> its nice[05:38:09] <anarchos> or, even better, would be an app_server that has plugins/addons, so one could be created for using opengl to compost, or a software renderer, maybe opengl es for smaller devices, etc[05:38:41] <pyCube> compiz has some total BS eye candy stuff...but also has some super cool/useful window management stuff[05:38:50] <judgen> pyCube like atlantis =P[05:39:40] <judgen> and gears are very helpful too? hehe[05:40:14] <pyCube> hehe[05:40:46] <judgen> and the snow effects... lame[05:41:10] <judgen> pyCube if you are using gnome, what theme is your prefered one?[05:41:28] <judgen> for gtk+metacity[05:41:51] <pyCube> hm..[05:41:52] <pyCube> dunno[05:42:21] <pyCube> been using dust lately[05:43:11] *** nn has quit IRC[05:43:31] <judgen> ok[05:43:44] <judgen> slickneSS is very nice too i think[05:44:04] <judgen> 17,248.00 for the custom configured Mac i selected =P[05:44:08] <pyCube> or gummyjar[05:44:17] <judgen> for that amount i would get a very nice appartment.[05:44:22] <pyCube> heh[05:44:31] <pyCube> or a really nice old 911[05:45:27] <pyCube> i try not to care.. but really.. f**k apple[05:45:37] <judgen> hehe[05:45:49] <judgen> i dont like the fact that window behaviour cant be set at all almost.[05:46:06] *** j_ has joined #haiku[05:46:11] *** j_ has quit IRC[05:46:28] <judgen> i want my apps to minimize when i click the window bar, so that all nice, but i also want them to lower to back when richtclicked on same bar.[05:46:42] <judgen> apple just hasnt what i want there[05:46:47] <pyCube> the only reason i would purposefully get an apple is if i REALLY needed some commercial app like photoshop or somehting, but I wanted a decent *nix os too[05:47:05] <pyCube> otherwise, whats the point?[05:48:02] <judgen> pyCube: link to slickness screenshot. http://gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre3/71993-3.jpg[05:48:32] <judgen> photoshop runs fine in wine here, so i dont see the point gonig from linux.[05:49:06] <pyCube> hehe[05:49:10] <pyCube> that too[05:49:50] <judgen> zfs is inriguing though, i must admit.[05:50:01] <pyCube> gimp as actually usually more than sufficient fo rme[05:50:38] <judgen> pyCube i never was able to do any decent work in gimp..[05:50:46] <pyCube> gimp and inkscape are great, imo[05:50:52] <judgen> but if i got used to it, i could probably do as well there.[05:51:25] <judgen> btw tried KDE4.1?[05:51:43] <pyCube> yeah.. my kids chose it for their computer[05:51:47] <judgen> ok[05:52:20] <judgen> i didnt like it very much, because my xorg modelines did not work with it. just screwed everything up.[05:52:41] <pyCube> i dont particualy care for it[05:52:43] <pyCube> um[05:52:48] <pyCube> particularly[05:53:24] <judgen> Or as george bush would spell it "paticulary"[05:53:38] <pyCube> perticulerly[05:55:12] <judgen> Nukular threat![05:55:20] <judgen> hehe[05:56:29] <judgen> Probably the only reason noone assassinated bush was that the world would be worse of with the puppetmaster in charge instead of the puppet.[05:56:35] <AlienSoldier> i think he named is penis "administration"[05:56:45] <judgen> AlienSoldier haha[05:56:57] <AlienSoldier> my administration will do this, do that :_)[05:57:11] <judgen> AlienSoldier he is going to consult with his advisors... what would that be then? god?[05:57:12] <AlienSoldier> do... all in it's power[05:57:22] <judgen> HAHA[05:58:03] <pyCube> McCain is gonna be even more fun[05:58:09] <judgen> http://home.twcny.rr.com/felicity/pres_for_dummies.jpg[05:58:25] <judgen> McCain is a complete nutterbutter too.[05:59:01] <AlienSoldier> i'm not sure he will be alive until the end of the campain, he really look ill[05:59:32] <judgen> http://home.twcny.rr.com/felicity/moonies.jpg[06:00:42] <judgen> AlienSoldier Biden will probably be the persident during most of the comming term.[06:01:37] <geist> oh?[06:01:47] *** nn has joined #haiku[06:01:54] *** j has quit IRC[06:02:40] <judgen> If 30% of america say they cant even vote for a black president. How long will it take for some white supremacist to figure out a way to get a white man in charge again.... killing Obama.[06:03:20] <geist> whoa[06:03:38] * geist welcomes his friends in domestic surveillance[06:03:48] <pyCube> heh[06:03:54] <judgen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania[06:04:07] <judgen> Wonder how much this has incommon with the debt bubble?[06:04:19] <judgen> in common[06:04:43] *** nn has quit IRC[06:06:15] *** criso has joined #haiku[06:06:43] <judgen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tulip_price_index1.svg[06:06:44] <judgen> heh[06:06:48] *** nn has joined #haiku[06:11:39] *** sprma has joined #haiku[06:13:02] *** sprma has quit IRC[06:22:18] *** pyCube_ has joined #haiku[06:22:19] *** pyCube has quit IRC[06:24:58] <criso> Four fat oxen exchanged for a tulip bulb?[06:26:40] <judgen> well there was some bulbs costing 2500 florines.[06:30:09] *** nn has quit IRC[06:31:31] <AlienSoldier> let see if my beaver pond show up on google map[06:31:32] *** tarma has joined #haiku[06:34:43] *** mat_geek has joined #haiku[06:36:54] *** helf2 has joined #haiku[06:37:04] <helf2> hi![06:38:50] <helf2> finally got a connection again[06:38:52] <helf2> jeez[06:42:53] <helf2> anyone up?[06:43:28] <AlienSoldier> yes, it's juts that you are not really logged, you are dreaming it[06:43:53] <helf2> d'oh[06:45:52] <AlienSoldier> google map if far from up to date[06:50:18] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[06:55:21] *** nn has joined #haiku[07:06:08] *** nn has quit IRC[07:10:36] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[07:14:50] * helf2 yawns[07:21:57] * JonathanThompson sticks finger in helf2's mouth[07:23:25] <helf2> yo[07:23:29] <JonathanThompson> Oy[07:23:33] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[07:26:21] *** Master199 has quit IRC[07:27:01] <pyCube_> hey[07:27:13] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[07:31:22] <helf2> hey cube[07:34:49] <pyCube_> hows stuff?[07:35:10] <helf2> stuffs good[07:36:48] <pyCube_> bitchin'[07:36:52] <pyCube_> hehe[07:37:00] <helf2> :P[07:38:02] <anarchos> anyone know how posix compliant haiku is/plans to be?[07:39:08] <JonathanThompson> As compliant as it is implemented and documented ;)[07:39:15] <JonathanThompson> (Fairly compliant)[07:51:38] *** databridge has quit IRC[08:02:01] <judgen> heh[08:04:25] <judgen> im bored.... im reading about chineese dynasties[08:04:31] <judgen> but finished now[08:05:29] <helf2> judgen, the amiga 3k doesnt have the AGA chipset, right?[08:05:50] <pyCube_> it does..[08:10:17] <pyCube_> 3k was the first aga model, iirc[08:10:50] <pyCube_> maybe i am wrong[08:11:03] <pyCube_> that was a long time ago.. hehe[08:11:29] <pyCube_> yep.. i am wrong.. hmm.. oh well[08:11:43] <helf2> heh[08:11:50] <pyCube_> never had an aga model..[08:11:55] <helf2> they apparently almost released a a3k+ which had AGA[08:12:02] <pyCube_> they came out after i had pretty much gotten out of computers[08:15:44] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[08:18:38] <judgen> helf2 the amiga4k is just a 3k with cheaper electronics[08:19:20] <judgen> helf also the amiga 4k-cr is impossible to upgrade to anything decent[08:19:52] <helf2> isnt the AGA chipset better than the ECS chipset?[08:20:04] <judgen> Well that depends actually.[08:20:49] <judgen> on the other hand, you should get an mediator or g-rex anyways to get pci slots... so an Voodoo5 or a radeon 9250 is nice.[08:21:02] <helf2> true[08:21:14] <helf2> what model is your amiga?[08:21:28] <judgen> 1200[08:21:33] <helf2> looks like the prototype Amigas that never got launched would have rocked[08:21:34] <judgen> the best model for upgrades.[08:21:41] <helf2> the a3000+ had the AGA chipset and a DSP[08:22:11] <JonathanThompson> helf2: do you own any computers older than you are?[08:22:21] <helf2> yes[08:22:35] * JonathanThompson notes it'd be very expensive for him to do the same thing[08:22:46] <helf2> i also own a car thats older than me and have owned two other cars that were older than me :P[08:22:49] <JonathanThompson> If only for the space and electric bill ;)[08:22:57] <judgen> helf also the 1200 is also the newest model so that might not be so strange[08:23:05] <judgen> except the 4000T ofcourse[08:23:18] <JonathanThompson> After all, being born the year of the 4004 being invented...[08:24:04] <helf2> heh[08:24:11] <judgen> helf2 what computer is older than you, that you own?[08:24:17] <helf2> judgen, ah, may spring for a a1200 then :P[08:26:52] <judgen> oh btw not all nostalgy graphical applications works with AGA[08:27:19] <judgen> ECS is safer bet, and for high level stuff you use a pci board anyways =)[08:27:57] <judgen> helf finding a suitable case for a 1200 might be difficult (if you dont buy from elbox) as they come only in desktop variants afaik.[08:28:01] <helf2> kewl :P[08:28:20] <helf2> i own a TI 99/4a silver and beige and an IBM XT[08:28:29] <helf2> and probably a few other machines[08:28:29] <helf2> tossing them out soon, though[08:28:33] <judgen> the 1200 has AGA though[08:28:50] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[08:29:16] <judgen> also the 1200 has a pcmcia slot so you can have usb2.0[08:29:28] <judgen> and standard ata disk.[08:29:31] <helf2> there is a usb2.0 zorro III card[08:30:08] <judgen> well, at what price? a usb2.0 pcmcia card costs about 10usd[08:30:22] <helf2> true :P[08:30:28] <helf2> the zorro card is like $300[08:30:43] <judgen> you can also use pci cards if you get a mediator or g-rex so it works that way too.[08:32:38] <judgen> btw nice list of Zorro cards: http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/search.pl?intf=z3[08:34:09] <judgen> the g-rex 4000t is impressive.[08:34:55] <judgen> And here you can find upgrade parts: http://www.elbox.com/[08:35:15] <judgen> allthough it does not have the same amount of stuff anymore[08:35:15] <helf2> cool[08:35:20] <helf2> :)[08:35:29] <helf2> if i get an Amiga, I'll spend far too much moneyu[08:36:53] *** Euver has joined #haiku[08:38:20] <judgen> well its an expensive hobby[08:38:30] <helf2> most of mine are[08:38:36] <judgen> and the SharkPPC cards are nice but they too are ageing.[08:38:45] <JonathanThompson> helf2: is an expensive hobby for his parents ;)[08:38:51] <helf2> im still amazed that companies still make classic amiga hardware[08:38:54] <helf2> heh[08:38:59] <helf2> sharkppc?[08:39:38] <judgen> its an g3-g4 expansion board for amiga[08:39:43] <JonathanThompson> With laser rays![08:39:45] <judgen> this one is nice though[08:39:58] <helf2> sweet[08:40:14] <judgen> thi one is 68060 though[08:40:38] <judgen> http://cgi.ebay.com/AMIGA-4000-CPU-DCE-PPC-233mhz-060-Cyberstorm-128mb-Ram_W0QQitemZ280271871174QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item280271871174&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177[08:40:41] <judgen> 233mhz[08:40:43] <judgen> not bad at all[08:40:48] <judgen> with ram and all[08:41:30] <helf2> heh[08:41:34] <helf2> im scared to see the price[08:42:19] <judgen> 1k usd[08:42:51] <DHowett> and are these built so the front doesn't fall off?[08:44:09] <judgen> Damn the AmigaOS 4.1 SAM is sold out allready, and the emails too acube apperantly overloaded the mail server.[08:44:11] <judgen> ha![08:44:26] <judgen> http://www.acube-systems.biz/common/screenshots/sam-os41-4.png[08:44:33] <helf2> judgen, whats the best PPC upgrade besides the sharkppc for the a1200s?[08:44:34] <judgen> http://www.acube-systems.biz/common/screenshots/sam-os41.png[08:44:48] * JonathanThompson lobs ... at DHowett[08:45:05] * DHowett intercepts and tosses back an interrobang![08:45:06] <judgen> Shark is the best as no other upgrades goes above 250mhz[08:45:34] <judgen> cool amigaos 4.1 has composite window managmement[08:45:45] <mat_geek> When I was young I had 66Mhz and was glad of it ...[08:45:54] <judgen> Wonder if i should sell my amiga and buy a sam[08:46:03] <helf2> sell it to me[08:46:03] <JonathanThompson> When Iw as young, I had 1.023 Mhz and was glad of it...[08:46:11] <judgen> mat_geek when i got 2mhz i was overjoyed =)[08:46:42] *** criso has quit IRC[08:46:44] <helf2> when i was young i had a Mac SE and didnt know any better[08:46:47] <judgen> helf i get alot more by selling it on Safir in parts.[08:46:55] <helf2> :([08:46:57] <judgen> hehe[08:47:02] <helf2> thats always annoying[08:47:09] <judgen> helf if you want an modern amiga buy a SAM[08:47:10] <helf2> ill see some computer ive been dying to get in PIECES on ebay[08:47:11] <helf2> :P[08:47:16] <mat_geek> Hz dating. Use the Hz rating of the geeks first computer to determine their age.[08:47:20] <helf2> i dont want modern[08:47:23] <helf2> i want original heavily upgraded :P[08:47:32] <judgen> oh ok[08:47:38] <helf2> heh[08:47:40] <judgen> but you can do more on a sam, i bet.[08:47:45] <helf2> probably[08:48:40] <judgen> 667 Mhz cpu, 512 MB DDR Ram, ATI Radeon M9 64Mb and Audio 5.1 onboard is only 465eur[08:49:00] <judgen> and one pci slot for additional fun[08:50:01] *** Euver has quit IRC[08:55:37] <helf2> gotta run, night[08:58:11] <DHowett> night helftwo[08:58:12] <DHowett> :P[09:04:09] *** AndrevS has quit IRC[09:05:20] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[09:06:05] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[09:06:50] *** jkimball4 has quit IRC[09:06:53] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[09:25:22] *** rsanches has joined #haiku[09:31:57] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[09:31:57] *** pyCube_ has quit IRC[09:32:54] *** leszek has joined #haiku[09:33:28] <leszek> morning ;)[09:34:44] <leszek> is the raw image buildservice broken ? Or why is the next build delaying ? I don't want to compile Haiku completely again only for testing the bugfixed and hopefully fine working rtl8139 chip[09:41:42] *** scottmc_ has joined #haiku[09:41:56] <scottmc_> hey all[09:42:48] *** Megaf|Away has quit IRC[09:49:26] *** scottmc_ has quit IRC[10:06:00] <DHowett> Anybody in here versed in ARM assembly i can bounce a couple questions off of?[10:11:15] *** helf2 has quit IRC[10:14:00] *** leszek has quit IRC[10:17:08] *** xcasex has joined #haiku[10:33:12] *** xcasex has quit IRC[10:33:17] *** xcasex has joined #haiku[10:36:10] <anarchos> damn[10:43:47] *** miqlas has quit IRC[10:44:01] *** tarma has quit IRC[10:44:01] *** ormandj_ has quit IRC[10:44:01] *** DHowett has quit IRC[10:44:07] *** silverpower has quit IRC[10:44:07] *** CIA-5 has quit IRC[10:44:07] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[10:44:07] *** Vampyre has quit IRC[10:44:08] *** NeonLicht has quit IRC[10:44:08] *** cnuke has quit IRC[10:44:10] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[10:44:10] *** MindChild has quit IRC[10:44:10] *** thebolt|away has quit IRC[10:44:10] *** helf has quit IRC[10:44:10] *** giszo has quit IRC[10:44:10] *** geist has quit IRC[10:44:14] *** anarchos has quit IRC[10:44:14] *** judgen has quit IRC[10:44:16] *** andybe has quit IRC[10:44:18] *** BuildFactory has quit IRC[10:44:19] *** mat_geek has quit IRC[10:44:19] *** _Lucretia__ has quit IRC[10:44:19] *** Zaranthos has quit IRC[10:44:20] *** Gareth has quit IRC[10:44:20] *** Dane_ has quit IRC[10:44:21] *** Mazon has quit IRC[10:44:23] *** surrounder has quit IRC[10:44:23] *** chandler has quit IRC[10:44:23] *** licksjp has quit IRC[10:44:25] *** Master199 has quit IRC[10:44:26] *** Styrbjorn has quit IRC[10:44:26] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[10:44:27] *** numbah has quit IRC[10:44:27] *** tic has quit IRC[10:44:28] *** xcasex has quit IRC[10:44:28] *** rsanches has quit IRC[10:44:41] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[10:44:41] *** Ghostride has quit IRC[10:44:42] *** Monni has quit IRC[10:44:42] *** stef has quit IRC[10:44:42] *** mphill has quit IRC[10:44:42] *** stpere has quit IRC[10:46:36] *** geist has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** xcasex has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** rsanches has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** tarma has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** anarchos has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** judgen has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** Dane_ has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** ormandj_ has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** Styrbjorn has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** mphill has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** andybe has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** Ghostride has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** Mazon has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** silverpower has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** CIA-5 has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** numbah has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** chandler has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** MindChild has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** cnuke has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** Vampyre has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** NeonLicht has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** giszo has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** thebolt|away has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** helf has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** BuildFactory has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** Monni has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** tic has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** stef has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** licksjp has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** stpere has joined #haiku[10:46:36] *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o geist[10:47:01] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[10:47:01] *** xcasex has quit IRC[10:47:01] *** xcasex_ has joined #haiku[10:48:06] <DHowett> I'm definitely having fun disassembling a phone's bootloader. Stupid motorola :P[10:49:01] <anarchos> porting haiku to a phone?! ;)[10:49:51] <DHowett> if i can figure out how it works, it shouldn't be far off[10:50:01] <DHowett> i mean, there's an ARM port of haiku, and the phone has an arm core and a MMU ;)[10:50:10] <anarchos> heh[10:50:16] <DHowett> Man can dream :)[10:50:22] <anarchos> there's an arm port of haiku?[10:50:26] <anarchos> i did not know this[10:50:31] <DHowett> Part of one, i believe[10:51:00] <anarchos> cool[10:51:02] <anarchos> haiku on a phone would be so cool[10:51:54] <DHowett> My first order of business is figuring out the bootloader itself though.. hehe[10:52:12] <DHowett> 44520 lines of ARM assembly, not all of which is actually code[10:52:21] <DHowett> all this to somebody who is COMPLETELY new to ARM ;)[10:52:37] <Teknomancer> morning all[10:56:52] *** mat_geek has joined #haiku[10:56:52] *** _Lucretia__ has joined #haiku[10:56:52] *** Zaranthos has joined #haiku[10:56:52] *** Gareth has joined #haiku[11:04:03] *** 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/haiku/trunk/headers/posix/stdio_ext.h:[12:03:55] <CIA-5> Applied patch by Urias McCullough:[12:03:55] <CIA-5> * Added stdio_ext.h header with declaration for the only currently implemented[12:03:55] <CIA-5> stdio extensions fsetlocking() and flushlbf() and associated constants. This[12:03:55] <CIA-5> helps compiling some software like gettext and cvs.[12:03:56] <CIA-5> NOTE: I have not tested this myself, but trust the review done by Andreas[12:03:58] <CIA-5> and Scott.[12:04:18] *** quinq has joined #haiku[12:07:53] *** Shiggidy has left #haiku[12:08:00] *** MegafEee has joined #Haiku[12:08:37] *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC[12:08:38] *** mat_geek has quit IRC[12:08:38] *** Zaranthos has quit IRC[12:08:56] *** Gareth has quit IRC[12:08:58] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[12:08:58] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[12:09:34] *** helf_ has joined #haiku[12:20:15] *** MegafEee has quit IRC[12:21:44] *** chandler has quit IRC[12:22:54] *** Guest65057 has joined #haiku[12:23:06] *** _Lucretia_ has joined #haiku[12:23:06] *** mat_geek has joined #haiku[12:23:06] *** Zaranthos has joined #haiku[12:23:06] *** Gareth has joined #haiku[12:27:28] *** helf2 has quit IRC[12:30:42] *** helf_ is now known as helf2[12:32:41] <judgen> What is a BM?[12:32:43] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[12:32:52] <judgen> Go make yourself a nice bm.[12:32:59] <judgen> sounds like a sandwich[12:33:12] <DHowett> Hah, it really does[12:33:20] <DHowett> judgen: Delicious![12:33:29] <judgen> What is it?[12:33:34] <DHowett> I have no idea.[12:33:35] <DHowett> :)[12:33:37] <judgen> oh ok[12:34:33] <thebolt|away> judgen: would say it depends on situation.. define: bm on google gives a few that could work[12:40:59] <mmu_man> http://www.linux-magazin.de/events/call_for_projects_cebit_open_source_2009[12:41:12] *** tarzeau has left #haiku[12:43:33] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[12:47:57] *** helf_ has joined #haiku[12:49:08] *** andybe has quit IRC[12:51:18] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[12:52:47] <DHowett> "there's nothing but sea, and birds, and fish." "and?" "and 20,000 tonnes of crude oil" "and?" "and a fire."[12:59:28] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[13:02:26] *** matthiasw has joined #haiku[13:02:29] <matthiasw> hello there[13:02:41] <matthiasw> just a little question: how is aao support going?[13:02:42] <matthiasw> :)[13:02:54] <Monni> wtf is aao ;)[13:03:19] <Teknomancer> anti aliased O.[13:03:27] <matthiasw> acer aspire one :)[13:03:38] <Teknomancer> or that.[13:03:40] <Teknomancer> :P[13:04:03] <matthiasw> i just booted the last nightybuild and it just crashes if i klick on a window o.o[13:04:30] <matthiasw> i thought someone sayed it does at least work more or less stable o.o[13:04:59] <quinq> in "more or less", there is "less"[13:06:03] <matthiasw> hmmmm but someone said for example network would work[13:06:20] <matthiasw> and how can i tryed it if it crashes if i click on something[13:06:28] <DHowett> the aspire one worked beautifully for me[13:06:35] <DHowett> in haiku, that is[13:06:52] *** helf2 has quit IRC[13:06:57] <matthiasw> ok... and what have you done to boot? i just packed the raw image on an usbstick (sandisk)[13:07:04] <matthiasw> (with cp on device)[13:07:08] <matthiasw> and booted..[13:07:15] <DHowett> I built my own image, with more-or-less default settings, and it worked fine[13:07:17] <DHowett> so practically the same[13:07:27] <matthiasw> hmmmm o.o[13:07:40] <matthiasw> but something must be special on your build[13:08:31] <matthiasw> any ideas?[13:09:25] <DHowett> just that i'm using GCC4..[13:09:30] <DHowett> hmm.. i[13:09:39] <DHowett> I'm going to test with a more recently build, hold on..[13:09:56] <DHowett> this.. might take a bit =\[13:11:36] <matthiasw> hmmm maybe its the parition type... *tryingaroundtoo[13:12:36] <matthiasw> partition O.o[13:15:51] <DHowett> meh, the build is broken[13:16:18] <DHowett> and in my sleepless state I can't figure out why. It's a simple syntax error. god i need sleep.[13:16:18] <DHowett> :P[13:16:47] <matthiasw> *ggg*[13:24:30] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[13:25:13] <matthiasw> ok nothing... someone says one must use an smaller usb stick... 512mb...[13:25:20] <matthiasw> could it be that?[13:27:32] <DHowett> It's worth a shot[13:27:52] <DHowett> Do you recall (or can you cause) the error that it displays when it crashes?[13:27:53] <DHowett> :)[13:29:08] <matthiasw> hmmm first message is that it cant write...[13:29:18] <matthiasw> sometimes if i do nothing[13:29:21] *** helf_ has quit IRC[13:29:26] <matthiasw> sometimes if i click on something[13:30:43] <DHowett> Definitely seems like it might be an issue with the media[13:30:50] <DHowett> I first booted it off a 512MB flash drive[13:31:21] <matthiasw> ok and i only have a 2gb[13:36:10] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[13:36:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[13:37:20] <DHowett> :-/[13:38:56] <mmu_man> ?[13:42:04] <matthiasw> its just... i cant boot haiku nicely because i dont have a 512mb usb stick -.-[13:43:10] <Ingenu> your 1/2/4GB stick will work too[13:43:27] <Ingenu> ;p[13:45:08] <mmu_man> 256MB should work too[13:46:12] <matthiasw> ehm my 2gb dont work -.-[13:46:28] <matthiasw> not with the rawimage[13:46:47] <quinq> my 1gb works fine[13:46:53] <quinq> with raw image[13:46:58] <matthiasw> with aspire one?[13:47:06] <quinq> oups ^^[13:47:09] <matthiasw> ;)[13:47:48] <quinq> but it does with my anti aliased O. ;)[13:48:09] <matthiasw> :P[13:50:31] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[13:56:55] <DHowett> quinq: would that be RGB subpixel antialiasing or greyscale ;)[13:57:00] <DHowett> it's a very nice O, regardless.[14:02:11] *** quinq has quit IRC[14:04:24] *** quinq has joined #haiku[14:08:43] *** scops has joined #haiku[14:09:21] *** thotypous has quit IRC[14:11:17] *** slaad has joined #haiku[14:12:07] *** helf2 has joined #haiku[14:13:43] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[14:23:08] *** matthiasw has quit IRC[14:27:29] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[14:35:05] *** mats has joined #haiku[14:35:28] *** tarma has quit IRC[14:39:12] *** helf2 has quit IRC[14:42:47] *** Stefan100 has joined #haiku[14:45:50] <mmu_man> hmm lots of coverity stuff seems to actually be about external projects (lavc, bash...)[14:46:06] <Stefan100> heh[14:46:28] <Stefan100> same for us ;)[14:46:41] <mmu_man> ... gdb[14:46:47] <Stefan100> (delayed-plop)[14:47:30] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[14:48:08] <mmu_man> ... vim[14:48:47] <Stefan100> how many errors in total for you?[14:52:01] *** BGA has joined #haiku[14:52:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[14:57:03] <mmu_man> 1479[14:58:04] <mmu_man> some already fixed[14:58:04] <mmu_man> plop BGA[14:58:04] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[14:58:18] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[14:58:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[14:58:58] <mmu_man> re[15:01:15] *** scops_ has joined #haiku[15:01:33] *** scops_ is now known as matthiasw[15:02:17] *** helf2 has joined #haiku[15:06:04] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[15:16:15] *** scops has quit IRC[15:21:02] <mmu_man> w_tgammal.c:(.text+0x0): multiple definition of `__tgammal'[15:21:05] <mmu_man> ppc...[15:21:45] <Stefan100> damn reactos build is broken[15:21:46] <Stefan100> x86[15:22:55] <mmu_man> :p[15:23:22] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[15:23:42] *** wildur has quit IRC[15:24:07] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[15:28:36] *** helf2 has quit IRC[15:33:35] *** Guest65057 is now known as chandler[15:35:54] *** BGA_ has joined #haiku[15:38:05] *** BGA has quit IRC[15:40:51] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[15:49:53] <judgen> I still havent figured out what a bm is.[15:50:16] <judgen> how can anyone go make themselves a nice bm if noone knows what it means?[15:56:08] <Monni> dumb Swedes ;)[15:56:19] <Stefan100> D:<[15:56:33] *** helf_ has joined #haiku[15:57:01] *** helf_ is now known as helf2[15:57:17] <Monni> Heja Sverige ;)[15:57:50] <Stefan100> indeed[15:57:56] <helf2> hi[15:57:59] <Monni> bm = body modification, f.ex. tattoo, piercing...[15:59:25] <Monni> if someone drinks bm, then it means breast milk :)[16:01:04] <AlienSoldier> bm is synonim of a bmw here[16:01:47] <Monni> lazy canucks ;)[16:04:54] <Monni> I seriously can be proud of Livonians... latest native count says only 10 left ;)[16:04:57] <helf2> maybe having interweb at home again isnt such a great idea :P[16:08:48] <DeadYak> helf2![16:09:06] <Monni> I prefer spider webs...[16:11:27] <mmu_man> any R5 around ? http://revolf.free.fr/beos/apps/Themes.bin.r5.zip just to make sure it still runs on it[16:11:37] <helf2> hey yak[16:11:37] <helf2> DeadYak, I sorta have 'net at home now thanks to my neighbors and their lax security ;)[16:11:54] <DeadYak> ah nice :P[16:12:03] <DeadYak> helf2: back to work tomorrow?[16:12:03] <helf2> oh, and the help of a 15dbi antenna[16:12:06] <helf2> yeah :/[16:12:30] <helf2> be nice to have money again, but not having to go to work the last two weeks has been great :)[16:13:21] <CIA-5> axeld * r27790 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/int.c: * Fixed warning.[16:15:55] <helf2> I love reading old computer reviews where people are expounding the glories of FIVE MEGABYTES of ram![16:16:05] <CIA-5> axeld * r27791 /haiku/trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs):[16:16:05] <CIA-5> * Added stat::st_blocks field as required by POSIX. This also closes ticket[16:16:05] <CIA-5> #2261.[16:16:05] <CIA-5> * Made at least BFS report it more or less correctly (the attributes are[16:16:05] <CIA-5> ignored, though).[16:16:30] *** slaad has quit IRC[16:17:57] *** knuckles_ekb has joined #haiku[16:20:51] <Monni> I had 5 week summer holiday this year...[16:27:42] <CIA-5> axeld * r27792 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/googlefs/_APP_:[16:27:42] <CIA-5> * Remove useless symlink (if the BeOS stuff needs it, it should be generated[16:27:42] <CIA-5> by the makefile [and that should be removed from here as well]).[16:29:00] <CIA-5> axeld * r27793 /haiku/trunk/src/ (7 files in 7 dirs):[16:29:00] <CIA-5> * Most of the other file systems now maintain the st_blocks value. It might not[16:29:00] <CIA-5> always be correct, but should be at least close.[16:43:40] *** Teknomancer has left #haiku[16:52:56] *** thebolt|away is now known as thebolt[16:57:37] *** matthiasw has quit IRC[17:00:48] *** BGA_ has quit IRC[17:07:27] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:09:58] <helf2> heh, yet another cube on ebay being sold with a Dimension board and the seller has no idea that the Dimensions are getting rarer[17:11:23] <DeadYak> next cube presumably?[17:12:31] <helf2> oh, yes.[17:12:32] *** BGA_ has joined #haiku[17:17:53] <mmu_man> re[17:18:38] <helf2> D: !![17:18:56] <CIA-5> jackburton * r27794 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/acpi/oshaiku.c: Use B_ANY_KERNEL_ADDRESS instead of B_ANY_KERNEL_BLOCK_ADDRESS, like suggested by Axel and Marcus[17:18:57] <helf2> that sharp x68000 XVI I was watching ended at $1675.00[17:19:03] <helf2> 1.6k![17:24:38] <AlienSoldier> if the OS was not som much in japanese it would sell for lot more[17:26:16] *** Nutela has joined #haiku[17:26:21] <Monni> that's why people need to get Japanese girlfriends ;)[17:26:26] <Nutela> Hello all[17:26:36] <Nutela> uh Monni you sure? ;)[17:26:49] <Monni> well... my best friend is Japanese... ;)[17:27:05] <mmu_man> ouch[17:27:10] <mmu_man> 1.6K![17:27:24] <Nutela> ?[17:27:32] <helf2> well, for one of those that is a lot :)[17:27:33] <Nutela> that's small or big?[17:28:07] <DeadYak> Nutela: $1.6k for an x68000[17:28:11] <AlienSoldier> $1675.00 is a lot for any computer (Personal one) now[17:28:34] <Nutela> oh must read some context next time :)[17:28:39] <Monni> well... USD is so low that anything is a lot in dollars ;)[17:28:40] <Nutela> Hi DeadYak[17:28:48] <DeadYak> Nutela: well, the context was before you joined :)[17:28:49] * Nutela throws some FFM at DeadYak[17:28:55] <helf2> Monni, shaddup :P[17:28:59] <Nutela> follow that DeadYak ;)[17:29:04] <Monni> 0.68 EUR last time I checked...[17:29:06] <helf2> the CAD and AUD are worth less once again, so I'm happy ;)[17:29:29] <helf2> bbl[17:29:41] *** DHowett has left #haiku[17:29:54] <Monni> maybe USA come to senses when it's as low as lire was...[17:30:16] <Nutela> say I got clicking in the audio on Haiku, I'd like to report but dunno what causes it...[17:30:31] <Nutela> checked RT audio[17:31:11] <Nutela> seems audio clicks with every update of that process control graph demo incl in Haiku[17:31:50] <Monni> blame scheduler ;)[17:32:18] <Nutela> hmm maybe I got the buffers set too low[17:32:23] <Nutela> korli is not around...[17:33:13] <Nutela> Oh and MediaPlayer couldn't playback the Numerica video at all mmu_man too slow :)[17:33:28] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[17:33:45] <DeadYak> you using opensound?[17:35:05] <Nutela> beside that it seems pretty snappy, really nice work[17:35:05] <Nutela> I was looking at some NMTs like the popcorn hour and divico tvix, they all use linux right? I was thinking do those companies too publish their changes or do they violate the GPL?[17:35:31] <Nutela> DeadYak : not sure Echo Mia native driver I hope[17:36:13] <Nutela> I added echo24 to the Haiku-image or is it Haiku.image?[17:37:03] <Nutela> so opensound is emulation? must suck if it must use large buffers :-/ sorry[17:37:23] <DeadYak> it's not emulation[17:37:46] <Nutela> ok but I read you have to use large buffers?[17:38:04] <Nutela> thus increasing audio latency?[17:38:40] <DeadYak> I'm not sure how buffers are handled in it right now[17:38:45] <DeadYak> ask mmu[17:39:27] *** boh666 has joined #haiku[17:39:29] <Nutela> mmu_man : how does open sound on Haiku work? can you use binary drivers?[17:41:49] <DeadYak> uh...[17:41:51] <DeadYak> binary drivers?[17:41:56] <DeadYak> opensound's a self contained driver[17:42:11] <DeadYak> it's a bridge between our media kit and OSS v4.1's hardware support[17:43:09] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[17:45:42] <Nutela> a self contained driver?[17:46:11] <DeadYak> yes.[17:46:12] <Nutela> I thought open sound was an API for which drivers have to be written[17:46:16] <DeadYak> no.[17:46:27] <DeadYak> it's a complete sound system that also includes hardware drivers[17:46:28] <Nutela> what does that mean a self contained driver?[17:46:37] <DeadYak> our opensound addon is just an interface to its hardware drivers without using the rest of it[17:47:57] <Nutela> our? you mean you work on Haiku as well?[17:47:57] <Nutela> ok so that means you can use drivers written for open sound, do you have to compile those drivers first? I guess so[17:49:33] <DeadYak> no, that's what I meant by it being self contained.[17:49:39] <DeadYak> it already has all the drivers in it.[17:49:49] <DeadYak> and yes, I do[17:51:07] *** sprma has joined #haiku[17:53:49] *** helf2 has quit IRC[17:53:49] *** helf_ has joined #haiku[17:53:53] <Nutela> ok the wikipedia page explains a lot[17:54:16] <Nutela> cool DeadYak what parts?[17:54:23] <DeadYak> like I said, mmu_man could explain exactly how it works a bit better, he wrote the opensound media addon[17:54:43] <Nutela> yes, mmu_man is away I think[17:55:21] <mmu_man> re[17:55:35] <mmu_man> Nutela OSS it both an API and a set of drivers[17:55:39] * Nutela evilly imagines throwing all kinds of nasty data to test everything DeadYak has made[17:55:40] <mmu_man> with their framework[17:55:44] <mmu_man> it's OSS4 that I ported[17:55:51] <mmu_man> including the drivers[17:56:08] <mmu_man> there are other implementations of the OSS API but they would need to be ported too[17:56:10] <DeadYak> Nutela: there isn't *that* much I've done directly at this point[17:56:19] <DeadYak> mostly changes to BListView and a few other little things here and there[17:56:23] <DeadYak> not had as much time as I'd like yet[17:56:26] <Nutela> ok, I read that you need to set large buffers for the Acer One IIRC, that' s then just for the One?[17:57:02] <Nutela> Um yet I see you almost always on irc... :-D[17:57:10] <mmu_man> dunno, there is a timing bug which is worked around with large buffers[17:57:27] <DeadYak> Nutela: I can't work on Haiku at work :P[17:57:27] <Nutela> ah ok ticks in the audio?[17:57:40] <Nutela> just teasing DeadYak[17:57:41] <mmu_man> DeadYak I have an error on Thread.h here, m68k gcc4[17:57:59] <DeadYak> mmu_man: like?[17:58:18] <mmu_man> expected ';' before 'it'[17:58:29] <mmu_man> let's try x86-gcc4[17:58:36] <DeadYak> mmu_man: namespace error?[17:58:51] <mmu_man> dunno[17:58:53] <DeadYak> I see that kind of thing often from people using STL classes without specifying namespace std[17:59:01] <DeadYak> since gcc2 doesn't complain about that[17:59:18] <DeadYak> but my Haiku box is packed up right now, so can't compile test here[17:59:47] *** quinq has quit IRC[18:00:29] *** quinq has joined #haiku[18:01:06] <miqlas> Home made BeOS bootscreen: http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8470/beos505bonebootscreenrh6.png[18:01:25] <DeadYak> yuck[18:05:12] <mmu_man> ah yeah that one...[18:08:34] *** sprma has quit IRC[18:10:06] <miqlas> I try to compile Haiku under windows.[18:10:26] <miqlas> Now i installing cygwin, it can install lot of packages? I need these packages?[18:14:44] <Nutela> miqlas : you like that?[18:15:30] <Nutela> you should change the font colour to black or very dark gray and leave the yellow shine miqlas[18:15:44] <Nutela> and change the font type...[18:16:06] <Nutela> especially for the 5.05 BONE[18:16:50] <miqlas> Nutela, not i'm the author.[18:17:11] <miqlas> I found it on the bebits. in the beos pe comment section.[18:18:40] <miqlas> I have Apple, real, red Hungarian Apple :)[18:21:50] *** pyCube has quit IRC[18:25:19] <miqlas> If i remeber correctly, BeOs can boot into command line with some hack. Is this possible on Haiku?[18:25:47] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[18:26:54] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt|away[18:27:51] <mmu_man> DeadYak[18:27:52] <mmu_man> C++ generated/objects/haiku/x86/release/bin/debug/profile/BasicThreadProfileResult.o[18:27:53] <mmu_man> src/bin/debug/profile/Thread.h: In member function 'virtual void AbstractThreadProfileResult<ThreadImageType>::SynchronizeImages(int32)':[18:27:53] <mmu_man> src/bin/debug/profile/Thread.h:242: error: expected `;' before 'it'[18:31:03] <DeadYak> ah.[18:31:25] <DeadYak> looking[18:31:43] <mmu_man> let's try with Thread::[18:33:50] <DeadYak> try AbstractThreadProfileResult::[18:33:55] <mmu_man> hmm probably better yeah[18:34:16] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[18:34:22] <DeadYak> though you'd think it wouldn't need that from a member function[18:34:41] <mmu_man> nope[18:34:52] <mmu_man> righto[18:35:00] <DeadYak> worked?[18:35:15] <thebolt|away> its about dependent names in templates.. (this->.. works as well as full qualifier)[18:35:23] <DeadYak> ah[18:35:39] <DeadYak> as in this->ImageList ?[18:35:46] <DeadYak> didn't know you could do that for types[18:35:50] <mmu_man> didn't work[18:36:07] <thebolt|away> ah, not for types, no[18:36:22] <miqlas> The "Welcome Package" will be included in the Haiku image? If it will, i will make an Hungarian translation.[18:36:28] <DeadYak> thebolt|away: see http://svn.berlios.de/wsvn/haiku/haiku/trunk/src/bin/debug/profile/Thread.h[18:37:15] <mmu_man> DeadYak probably cause the typedef uses the template param[18:37:31] <thebolt|away> nah, thats fine, but you need to tell it that it is a type[18:37:54] <thebolt|away> so (not sure about exactly what gcc needs) something like typename ImageList::Iterator it[18:39:59] <mmu_man> tried DoublyLinkedList<ThreadImageType>[18:40:00] <mmu_man> didn't work[18:40:02] <Nutela> wow above my skillz :)[18:40:02] <Nutela> going home, cya later[18:40:19] <Nutela> bye mmu_man DeadYak et al[18:50:08] <miqlas> Ouch: http://href.hu/x/72mp[18:52:10] <PulkoMandy> http://code.google.com/p/grafx2/ someone wants to provide a haiku/beos binary ?[18:52:50] *** rsanches has quit IRC[18:57:20] *** helf_ has quit IRC[18:58:31] *** Nutela has quit IRC[19:00:34] <thotypous> mmu_man: in which machines do you plan to run your m68k port? amiga?[19:00:48] <thotypous> which will be the minimum requiriments?[19:00:51] <mmu_man> Atari Falcon[19:00:56] <mmu_man> 030[19:01:31] <thotypous> mmu_man: 16MHz / 14MB RAM?[19:02:24] <thotypous> I could only run Haiku with at least 64MB RAM in x86 architecture[19:02:34] <thotypous> is it because it's not yet optimized?[19:03:12] *** helf2 has joined #haiku[19:05:12] *** boh666 has quit IRC[19:08:11] *** BGA_ has quit IRC[19:08:18] <thotypous> it would be just great if one could run Haiku R1 + WebKit in a 32MB-RAM-machine[19:08:37] *** BGA has joined #haiku[19:08:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[19:13:47] <Monni> would be seriously easy with swap on external ram disk ;)[19:15:14] <Monni> Centronics mass destruction driver would kick ass on old computers...[19:15:42] <thotypous> :D[19:15:46] <thotypous> hi BGA[19:15:49] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[19:15:53] <thotypous> BGA: are you Bruno Albuquerque?[19:18:19] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[19:18:39] *** knuckles_ekb has quit IRC[19:18:53] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[19:22:44] <mmu_man> thotypous yes[19:23:10] <thotypous> very great :)[19:25:27] *** databridge has joined #haiku[19:26:32] *** AndrevS has joined #haiku[19:27:12] *** johndrinkwater has joined #haiku[19:32:44] *** pyCube has quit IRC[19:43:40] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[19:47:28] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[19:53:58] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[19:55:29] *** boh666 has joined #haiku[19:55:58] *** rsanches has joined #haiku[20:05:26] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[20:06:11] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[20:07:19] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[20:16:18] <CIA-5> stippi * r27795 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/media/media-add-ons/opensound/OpenSoundDeviceEngine.cpp:[20:16:18] <CIA-5> With the fix to the apic timer interrupts, the thread scheduling latency has[20:16:18] <CIA-5> apparently vastly improved, so that audio hardware buffers can be configured[20:16:18] <CIA-5> as small as on BeOS in the OSS node. This is especially nice for multi-media[20:16:18] <CIA-5> apps since it reduces interactive response times.[20:19:05] *** mmlr has quit IRC[20:19:50] <mmu_man> \o/[20:20:07] *** Euver has joined #haiku[20:22:13] <Monni> way to go...[20:22:52] *** databridge has quit IRC[20:24:16] <mmu_man> hmm do we have Sanity sources on a public svn around yet ?[20:24:50] <BGA> thotypous, yes, I am.[20:24:51] *** omegaman has joined #haiku[20:25:06] <mmu_man> not on osdrawer[20:25:17] <omegaman> hi all - anyone know why haiku may lock up on SMP's?[20:25:26] <omegaman> tried the smp kernel on two real machines, but no luck[20:25:30] <BGA> omegaman, It does not. :P[20:25:38] <omegaman> well, it does[20:25:38] <BGA> I have a 4 processor machine running Haiku. :P[20:25:43] <BGA> Well, 4 cores, technically.[20:25:49] <omegaman> i have a dual core and a quad core[20:26:03] <BGA> I have it running on a Intel Core 2 Quad Extreme.[20:26:17] <mmu_man> "Everytime I read about multiple core I know Be was right" :)[20:26:20] <omegaman> both lock up... however, disabling SMP makes it boot[20:29:15] *** rcjsuen_ has joined #haiku[20:29:50] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[20:29:58] *** pyCube has quit IRC[20:34:21] *** helf3 has joined #haiku[20:34:45] <helf3> heh, T-Mobiles G1 commercials say "funnerer" in them.. :|[20:42:47] <Monni> making new words?[20:42:57] <thotypous> BGA: your Haiku interview at meiobit was great ;)[20:44:32] *** Dane_ has quit IRC[20:45:24] <mmu_man> where ?[20:45:52] <BGA> thotypous, Ah, thanks.[20:46:34] <BGA> omegaman, I have no idea why it is failing for you. I can run it even on custom SMP machines.[20:46:46] <BGA> Actually even on an old dual PIII.[20:46:49] <thotypous> mmu_man: it's a brazilian website (not so good, BGA's interview was the best article there since months :P)[20:46:52] <BGA> No problems whatsoever.[20:47:11] <thotypous> mmu_man: but a lot of people heard about Haiku by this, and the response was very good[20:50:43] <boh666> may be e buggy bios smp implementation[20:51:36] *** oco has joined #haiku[20:53:29] <mmu_man> ah got it http://meiobit.pop.com.br/meio-bit/open-source/entrevista-bruno-albuquerque-do-projeto-haiku[20:54:07] <mmu_man> lotsa comments[20:56:07] *** helf_ has joined #haiku[20:56:54] <thotypous> mmu_man: BTW, portuguese is very similar to french :P[20:57:07] <mmu_man> ugh, well, you say so[20:57:42] <quinq> not really :/[20:58:28] <omegaman> boh666, it's not buggy[20:58:35] <omegaman> linux SMP runs just fine on both machines[20:59:19] <boh666> omegaman: i'm wrong ;-)[20:59:31] *** helf2 has quit IRC[21:00:21] *** helf2 has joined #haiku[21:00:29] *** helf_ has quit IRC[21:02:17] <omegaman> unstable stuff :-([21:02:23] *** omegaman has quit IRC[21:04:20] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[21:08:02] *** Atomozero has joined #haiku[21:08:44] *** rcjsuen_ has quit IRC[21:09:04] *** rcjsuen_ has joined #haiku[21:09:11] <DaaT> hey Atomozero[21:10:04] <mmu_man> plop[21:10:12] <mmu_man> DaaT :)[21:10:21] <mmu_man> got 510... nice one :)[21:10:50] <DaaT> ahhhhhhhhhhhh, thought you would like it :)[21:10:59] <DaaT> but that damned "to be continued"... ggrrrrrrr[21:11:29] <mmu_man> yeah frustrating[21:11:34] <DaaT> :P[21:12:49] <mmu_man> You want Haiku @ FOSDEM ? tell them! http://fosdem.org/2009/brainstorm[21:12:59] <mmu_man> You want Haiku @ Cebit ? tell them! http://www.linux-magazin.de/events/call_for_projects_cebit_open_source_2009[21:14:07] <thotypous> lead developer = Axel?[21:14:25] <mmu_man> yes[21:15:10][21:15:25] <mmu_man> axeld at pinc-software dot de[21:15:48] <DaaT> bbl[21:15:49] *** DaaT has quit IRC[21:17:01] <mmu_man> hmm Ingo still didn't fix gcc4 build[21:18:09] <thotypous> Tell us why you think this speaker/project sould be present at the next FOSDEM edition[21:18:16] <thotypous> "Haiku is a promising operating system focused on the desktop. Instead of building layers on top of layers for fixing stuff, like it's common nowadays in desktop systems, Haiku is focused in being simple and is well-designed with desktop in mind from ground up."[21:18:58] <thotypous> sent[21:19:25] *** boh666 has quit IRC[21:21:38] <mmu_man> nice[21:24:03] *** JMReis has joined #haiku[21:26:50] <helf3> swete[21:26:51] <helf3> sweet[21:27:00] <helf3> we still have our old sat dish :)[21:27:19] * helf3 is about to couple that with his directional antenna[21:28:11] * DeadYak missed "that"[21:28:29] <helf3> HA[21:28:43] <helf3> I'm not that far gone yet :P[21:29:30] * JonathanThompson warps into the channel and straightens out helf3[21:30:55] <helf3> helf2 and helf_ keep popping in and out :) that is a mighty flaky connection back at home[21:32:05] <Atomozero> :([21:32:06] <Atomozero> ...failed C++ generated/objects/linux/x86/release/tools/bfs_shell/bfs_disk_system.o ...[21:32:25] <mmu_man> fails elsewhere here[21:32:29] *** helf2 has quit IRC[21:32:29] <mmu_man> what's the error ?[21:32:48] *** helf_ has joined #haiku[21:32:52] <Atomozero> In file included from src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/bfs/bfs_disk_system.cpp:8:[21:32:54] <Atomozero> src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/bfs/bfs.h: In member function ‘bool small_data::IsLast(const bfs_inode*) const’:[21:32:54] <Atomozero> src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/bfs/bfs.h:372: error: cast from ‘const small_data*’ to ‘fssh_addr_t’ loses precision[21:32:54] <Atomozero> src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/bfs/bfs.h:372: error: cast from ‘const bfs_inode*’ to ‘fssh_addr_t’ loses precision[21:34:11] <Atomozero> i have 27795 revision[21:39:16] <mmu_man> ugh[21:39:26] <mmu_man> linux ?[21:39:35] <mmu_man> I didn't try beos build for some days[21:39:37] *** helf3 has quit IRC[21:39:48] <Atomozero> yes :( linux[21:39:59] <mmu_man> works fine here[21:40:07] <Atomozero> uhm x64[21:40:08] <mmu_man> svn stat[21:40:18] <mmu_man> make sure you don't have changes around[21:40:20] <mmu_man> ah[21:40:27] <mmu_man> well, linux32 should do[21:40:48] <PulkoMandy> someone should really fix that :)[21:41:04] <Atomozero> whit 27760 works[21:41:19] <PulkoMandy> someone should really fix that :)[21:45:07] <Monni> I don't think it would be hard to use proper pointer size types for host system...[21:45:49] <mmu_man> send diffs :)[21:45:55] <PulkoMandy> http://dev.haiku-os.org/attachment/ticket/845/amd64.diff[21:46:01] <mmu_man> :)[21:46:14] <PulkoMandy> just need to be made compatible with x86 32 bits :)[21:46:34] <Atomozero> :)[21:46:38] <PulkoMandy> (and maybe it's outdated)[21:47:05] <mmu_man> hmm that looks wrong to me[21:47:16] <mmu_man> it should use atomic_test_and_set_64 for 64bit![21:47:48] <PulkoMandy> most of these uint32/uint64 should be fssh_addr_t, and this one defined properly, in the last part[21:48:02] *** helf_ has quit IRC[21:48:12] *** helf2 has joined #haiku[21:48:24] <mmu_man> no it should just be set to a nother ptr_t[21:48:34] <PulkoMandy> yes, also that :)[21:49:28] <mmu_man> intptr_t maybe[21:49:50] <PulkoMandy> i already sent some patches for the buildtools to the mailing list[21:49:51] <mmu_man> is that one scalar[21:49:56] <PulkoMandy> they never got applied :([21:50:08] <PulkoMandy> (or i missed yhat)[21:50:48] <mmu_man> http://linux.die.net/man/3/intptr_t ugh what platform is that for ? 16bit ? looks like DOS[21:51:51] <PulkoMandy> linux is pretty much like dos, with many layers added to hide it :)[21:52:06] <mmu_man> whatever, it seems wrong[21:52:14] <mmu_man> anyway[21:52:21] <mmu_man> typedef to intptr_t[21:52:29] <Stefan100> typodef[21:52:54] <PulkoMandy> :)[21:53:14] *** rcjsuen__ has joined #haiku[21:53:24] *** rcjsuen_ has quit IRC[21:53:34] <PulkoMandy> mmu_man, maybe that's the haiku m68k port to the Sinclair QL ? :)[21:53:45] *** skate_forever has joined #haiku[21:56:12] *** leszek has joined #haiku[21:56:19] <mmu_man> QL only had 68000[21:56:27] <mmu_man> or was there a better one ?[21:56:51] <mmu_man> oh, 68000 had 24bit address bus, mind you[21:56:53] <PulkoMandy> it was some stripped down 8bit 68000 or something like that yes[21:57:00] <mmu_man> and 32bit registers[21:57:02] <leszek> hi[21:57:17] <mmu_man> hm right 68008 had 16bit maybe[21:57:35] <PulkoMandy> well i think i'll stick with my amstrad cpc and z80 for now :)[21:57:40] * mmu_man digs m68000 family reference[21:57:41] <PulkoMandy> i have a game to code :)[21:57:54] <CIA-5> rudolfc * r27796 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/ide/dma.c: applied coding style change.[21:58:12] <mmu_man> ugh no[21:58:19] <mmu_man> 1MB address space -> 20bit[21:58:34] *** helf_ has joined #haiku[21:59:52] <PulkoMandy> the cpc can adress 3Mb of roms with 16 bits and loads of bankswitching :)[22:00:05] *** helf2 has quit IRC[22:00:27] <mmu_man> actually 20 or 22 bits depending on the package[22:00:28] <mmu_man> weirdo[22:00:47] <CIA-5> bonefish * r27797 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/debug/profile/ (BasicThreadProfileResult.cpp Thread.h):[22:00:47] <CIA-5> * Moved counting/getting the hit images into separate utility method[22:00:47] <CIA-5> GetHitImages() of base class AbstractThreadProfileResult.[22:00:47] <CIA-5> * gcc 4 build fixes.[22:00:56] <mmu_man> ahhh thanks[22:04:49] <mmu_man> http://www.romancortes.com/blog/homer-css/ lol![22:06:42] <leszek> build service is down or do they take a brake with building new raw images ?[22:08:51] *** helf2 has joined #haiku[22:12:33] * JonathanThompson pounces on helf2[22:14:33] <judgen> gnite[22:14:40] *** judgen has quit IRC[22:20:24] *** fleh has joined #haiku[22:21:57] <CIA-5> mmu_man * r27798 /haiku/trunk/3rdparty/mmu_man/themes/ (Jamfile ThemeInterfaceView.cpp):[22:23:06] *** BGA has quit IRC[22:26:25] *** rcjsuen__ has quit IRC[22:28:41] *** helf2 has quit IRC[22:28:41] *** rcjsuen__ has joined #haiku[22:30:30] *** helf_ has quit IRC[22:34:46] *** fleh is now known as helf2[22:35:47] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:38:35] *** Nutela has joined #haiku[22:38:49] <Nutela> hi[22:39:00] <Nutela> mmu_man?[22:39:02] *** Dane_ has joined #Haiku[22:39:23] <Nutela> hi Dane_[22:39:29] <mmu_man> ..[22:39:42] *** JMReis has quit IRC[22:39:48] <Nutela> the timer bug... affects audio?[22:40:07] <DeadYak> the timer bug would've affected pretty much anything[22:40:33] <mmu_man> Nutela you mean the APIC timer resolution that got fixed ?[22:40:36] <mmu_man> yes likely[22:41:06] <Nutela> uh when?[22:41:38] <Nutela> I experience clicks on r27784[22:42:30] <Nutela> build yesterday[22:42:45] <DeadYak> your box would only have been affected if it was using APIC timers[22:42:55] <DeadYak> and also that's assuming you're even using the opensound driver[22:43:25] <Nutela> no Echo Mia; echo24444[22:43:45] <DeadYak> then it's possible you're hitting a driver bug in echogals[22:43:54] <Nutela> the sticky key bug still persists btw have to type calmly :)[22:44:19] <Nutela> I'll file a bug then[22:44:57] *** helf_ has joined #haiku[22:45:16] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[22:45:28] *** helf2 has quit IRC[22:45:28] *** helf_ is now known as helf2[22:46:29] <Nutela> if I have ActivityMonitor running audio clicks with every update of ActivityMonitor[22:47:50] <Nutela> hmm not entirely regularrr[22:53:25] *** rcjsuen__ has quit IRC[22:55:34] *** rcjsuen__ has joined #haiku[22:56:21] *** Euver has quit IRC[22:58:11] <leszek> anyone knows something about the haiku-files activites ? No image for 2 days now ?[23:03:05] <Nutela> build yourself much more fun :)[23:07:41] *** rcjsuen__ has quit IRC[23:07:45] <Nutela> http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/14221 wtf? you can only create new ducks by calling MakeDaffyDuck.[23:09:14] <Nutela> korli humor[23:11:19] <leszek> Nutela, I build it one week ago and don't want to build it again only for the bugfixed rtl8139 (or depending) bug[23:13:15] *** helf2 has quit IRC[23:14:52] <dr_evil> grrrr. do you know the urge to login with your work account and passwort each time you use ssh?[23:15:21] <Nutela> Hi dr_evil![23:15:44] <dr_evil> hi[23:16:03] <Nutela> ok leszek but if you already build it last week there won't be many new objects[23:16:23] <mmu_man> plop[23:16:42] <dr_evil> hi mmu_man[23:16:51] <Nutela> I mailed you to ask if I could buy a dvb-t card from you...[23:17:13] <Nutela> didn't know your nick is dr_evil :)[23:17:21] <dr_evil> I only have one, wont sell it anyway[23:17:27] <Nutela> oh too bad[23:17:32] <dr_evil> but I guess I didn't get you mail, or it went into spam folder[23:17:49] <Nutela> I tried to buy one but model 928 is not available anymore[23:17:57] <Nutela> could be[23:18:03] <leszek> Nutela, the problem is I deleted the build directory, as it kept too much space on my laptop[23:18:05] * mmu_man trying to map windows sounds to BeOS ones from MS .theme files[23:18:11] <dr_evil> btw, I received two jmicron ESATA test boards, 1 to 2 and 1 to 5[23:18:12] <Nutela> ah leszek[23:18:25] <Nutela> cool[23:19:33] <Nutela> that really sucks though that you developed a driver for which there is no hw anymore dr_evil[23:20:17] <dr_evil> no, that doesn't suck that much. The driver is only part of the whole package. driver API, media add-on, TV app[23:20:36] <dr_evil> you can probably easily write another driver and reuse the other parts[23:20:43] <Nutela> I was looking at the popcorn hour and divico tvix but we have 25GB download limit here in cz[23:21:41] <PulkoMandy> +++[23:21:43] <Nutela> I writing a driver :) nice joke, no seriously I am a tester no programmer[23:22:07] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:22:34] <oco> Nutela :ytou are not yet a programmer ;-)[23:22:43] <Nutela> if I were good I would improve my audio situation myself first to be honest[23:22:55] <Nutela> but gtg ze wife is calling[23:23:14] <Nutela> I was affraid someone would say that oco[23:23:45] <oco> sorry[23:24:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[23:24:30] <Nutela> ah firefox crashed on quit and eat 100% cpu but Haiku stayed silky smooth[23:24:38] <Nutela> ok good night[23:24:44] *** korli has joined #haiku[23:24:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[23:24:45] <Nutela> thanks for the info dr_evil[23:24:58] <Nutela> Hi korli just filed another bug :)[23:25:23] <Nutela> good night talk to you later korli[23:25:35] <Nutela> bye all[23:25:37] *** Nutela has quit IRC[23:32:13] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[23:41:04] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[23:43:01] <CIA-5> julun * r27799 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/screenshot/ (4 files):[23:43:01] <CIA-5> * make sure we close the app on ESCAPE[23:43:01] <CIA-5> * do not launch a second window in case of RefsReceived[23:45:34] <CIA-5> julun * r27800 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/HaikuImage: * add Screenshot app to image[23:46:25] *** korli has quit IRC[23:46:51] *** Atomozero has quit IRC[23:47:59] <CIA-5> julun * r27801 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/ (Jamfile interface/Jamfile interface/Window.cpp):[23:47:59] <CIA-5> * use the screenshot app to take a screenshot[23:47:59] <CIA-5> * remove libpng and libz dependency in case we build for Haiku[23:48:12] *** Stefan100 has quit IRC[23:48:45] <CIA-5> julun * r27802 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ (Jamfile PNGDump.cpp PNGDump.h drawing/DrawingEngine.cpp): * remove png dump from app_server[23:55:55] <CIA-5> julun * r27803 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/drawing/DrawingEngine.h: * forgot this file...[23:57:43] *** TheNerd has joined #haiku