October 30, 2007 
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October 30, 2007 [00:00:44] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[00:01:21] <axeld> mmu_man: I currently don't have the time to do anything there, but I would do Amiga stuff only anyway :-)[00:02:32] <stargater> hi axeld[00:02:47] <axeld> Hi Ralf[00:03:33] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[00:05:41] <DeadYak> axeld![00:05:56] <axeld> Hi DeadYak[00:11:19] <DeadYak> how's it going?[00:12:13] <AlienSoldier> mmu_man Jaleco made lot of game on 4 68000 board, and there is lot of 2 68000 game, outrun for one[00:12:40] <AlienSoldier> haiku on 68k Neogeo would have awsome 2d acceleration :)[00:13:15] <AlienSoldier> probaly would fit in a card also :)[00:14:43] <DeadYak> AlienSoldier: 68000 won't work[00:15:20] <AlienSoldier> ?[00:15:35] <DeadYak> DeadYak: 16-bit and no mmu[00:15:37] <DeadYak> er[00:15:39] <DeadYak> AlienSoldier[00:16:05] <DeadYak> 030/040/060 only[00:16:47] <AlienSoldier> that rule out cave 68020 board also[00:16:50] <DeadYak> yep[00:18:19] <AlienSoldier> too bad, lot of washing machine used 68000 :P[00:22:02] <AlienSoldier> i wonder if they ever make 68k familly super computer[00:22:10] <AlienSoldier> *made[00:24:20] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[00:26:01] <mmu_man> 020 could work with a 68851 pmmu chip[00:26:35] <mmu_man> axeld well userland should be platform independant anyway[00:27:43] <mmu_man> brb[00:27:44] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[00:31:55] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[00:32:15] <stargater> wb[00:35:28] *** Darknesss has quit IRC[00:38:41] <axeld> night[00:38:44] *** axeld has quit IRC[00:39:42] <AlienSoldier> helf would love that one :) http://www.digibarn.com/collections/banners-flags/next-flag/index.html[00:41:23] <mmu_man> funny http://www.next.com/ points to apple.com :D[00:41:55] <AlienSoldier> same witt dec,.com pointing to hp[00:44:19] <Kokito> mmu_man: is that unexpected? :P[00:44:38] <mmu_man> dunno[00:44:43] <mmu_man> ok, n8[00:44:45] *** MangoFusion has quit IRC[00:44:46] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[00:52:43] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[00:53:09] <Lelldorin1> re[00:53:33] *** rdmr has quit IRC[00:53:55] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[01:00:48] *** wildur has quit IRC[01:06:18] *** rdmr has quit IRC[01:13:27] *** petterhj- has quit IRC[01:20:12] *** oco has quit IRC[01:21:44] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[01:22:28] *** brycegroff has joined #haiku[01:27:41] <brycegroff> does bonefish use irc offten?[01:29:58] <Kokito> I have never seen him on this channel brycegroff[01:30:14] <brycegroff> thanks[01:30:54] <Kokito> brycegroff: he does read the the development mailing list[01:31:07] <brycegroff> yeah I have been in contact on that list[01:31:49] <brycegroff> I saw that he just recently updated a part of the tree and was hoping for quick communication but I will just have to send an email[01:37:30] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[01:38:08] *** umccullough_work has joined #haiku[01:43:34] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[01:43:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[01:44:30] <DeadYak> brycegroff: last time I saw bonefish on IRC was like a year ago[01:45:07] <brycegroff> haha[01:45:21] <DeadYak> seriously[01:45:34] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[01:45:55] <umccullough_work> oh, they would have had an admin meeting 3 hours ago...[01:46:05] <DeadYak> I stand corrected, nickserv says 6 weeks[01:46:06] <umccullough_work> well, 2:45 hours ago anyway[01:46:36] <brycegroff> right on[01:46:51] <DeadYak> umccullough_work: do you still do your summaries?[01:47:00] <umccullough_work> DeadYak, no, i don't even get the logs any more...[01:47:05] <DeadYak> umccullough_work: :/[01:47:12] <umccullough_work> the admin meetings haven't exactly been ... useful for a couple months[01:47:23] <DeadYak> oh?[01:48:10] <umccullough_work> i think they've mostly fizzled down into development discussion lately[01:48:20] <umccullough_work> with all the recent changes happening[01:48:46] * DeadYak nods[01:48:49] <DeadYak> that could still be interesting :)[01:48:54] <umccullough_work> heh[01:48:58] <umccullough_work> but over my head ;)[01:49:21] <DeadYak> how so?[01:49:22] <umccullough_work> i actually tried to put some dev talk into one of my summaries, but upon admin review of the summary before I posted it - they decided it wasn't worth including[01:49:43] <umccullough_work> perhaps because it was zeta-related and at the time that was a sensitive topic... i dunno[01:52:04] * DeadYak nods[02:21:39] <stargater> n8[02:21:54] *** stargater has quit IRC[02:24:36] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[02:28:18] *** M_199 has quit IRC[02:55:33] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[03:05:42] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[03:05:49] *** Kernel86 has joined #Haiku[03:06:55] <umccullough_work> huh, BePorts is actually looking useful :)[03:07:19] <umccullough_work> Brecht is recording his results when attempting to port/build various packages - quite useful![03:10:16] <umccullough_work> hmm.. he's only testing BONE builds - I could maybe help him with R5 and Zeta...[03:10:52] <umccullough_work> assuming i have time[03:11:43] *** petterhj has quit IRC[03:16:28] *** skarmiglione has joined #haiku[03:16:39] <skarmiglione> hello[03:16:49] <skarmiglione> hola[03:19:49] *** brycegroff has quit IRC[03:19:57] <skarmiglione> i want help in haiku project, i ever am a grat fan of beos and i ever have need of help in that project and wana know how can i program ports of gnu programsto haiku[03:22:34] <pyCube> i think it would involve some coding[03:23:57] <skarmiglione> i am not a great programer realyu but i know somethuin and i thin " a port is no so hard to do, the program is write now "[03:24:26] <pyCube> i dont know if thats always, or even often, true[03:25:13] <umccullough_work> skarmiglione, there is a high likelihood that anything that can be ported to BeOS R5 can be ported to Haiku easily[03:25:40] <skarmiglione> anyway the dificulty is no realy my proble cause i want learn to[03:25:48] <umccullough_work> skarmiglione, i was just looking at this site: http://tools.assembla.com/BePorts[03:26:03] <umccullough_work> it might be a good place to start :)[03:26:45] <skarmiglione> great![03:26:47] <umccullough_work> a lot of GNU tools already compile under BeOS with a small amount of effort[03:27:00] <skarmiglione> maybe the wine :P[03:27:09] <umccullough_work> ok, that's probably not going to be easy[03:27:14] <skarmiglione> jeje[03:27:16] <umccullough_work> there was a BeWine port many years ago[03:27:21] <umccullough_work> but it's long-dead[03:27:26] <skarmiglione> yea[03:27:42] <umccullough_work> and it required X11[03:27:51] <umccullough_work> which also is far out of date for BeOS[03:28:18] <skarmiglione> yea[03:28:33] <skarmiglione> then first x for beos[03:28:47] <skarmiglione> X11[03:29:54][03:31:56] <umccullough_work> skarmiglione, you're in Columbia?[03:32:34][03:32:41] <skarmiglione> colombia[03:32:57] <umccullough_work> Colombia, sorry ;)[03:33:29] <skarmiglione> why?[03:33:33] <umccullough_work> Just checking - haven't talked to someone from there before :D[03:33:44] <umccullough_work> what part?[03:34:03] <skarmiglione> Medellin[03:34:23] * umccullough_work goes to google maps[03:34:56] <umccullough_work> ah, right in the middle eh?[03:35:02] <umccullough_work> one of the larger cities?[03:35:10] <skarmiglione> i have a blog xibalbar.blogspot.com and think start chipchombia.blogspot..[03:35:13] <umccullough_work> largest?[03:35:35] <skarmiglione> yea is the second big city in my country[03:36:08] *** rhu has quit IRC[03:36:18] <skarmiglione> and you where are? umccu...[03:36:44] <umccullough_work> I'm in California, USA[03:37:01] *** M_199 has joined #haiku[03:37:22] <umccullough_work> Bogota is larger?[03:37:31] <skarmiglione> 8 millions of persons[03:38:43] <skarmiglione> my city have towns very very close andhave aprox 3 to 4 millions of persons[03:39:06] <skarmiglione> in the metropolitan area[03:40:30] <skarmiglione> how u know where i am?[03:41:31] <umccullough_work> when you connected to IRC, it showed your TLD[03:41:39] <umccullough_work> in your ident[03:41:44] <umccullough_work> i=skarmigl at adsl190-28-252-18 dot epm.net.co[03:41:45] <skarmiglione> jej[03:41:52] <umccullough_work> :)[03:42:11] <skarmiglione> you are progamer?[03:42:22] <skarmiglione> srry my english[03:42:31] <umccullough_work> sort of, I don't work on Haiku though[03:42:39] <umccullough_work> your english is good enough :)[03:43:33] <umccullough_work> I assume Spanish is your native tongue - there is a #haiku-es that some hang out in[03:44:00] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[03:44:15] <skarmiglione> i am student of audivisual comunication but before was studyed programation, in the spanish chanel dont answer my ask[03:44:26] <Kokito> hola skarmiglione :P[03:44:31] <skarmiglione> hola[03:44:46] <Kokito> como va?[03:44:51] <skarmiglione> que mas kokito[03:45:05] <skarmiglione> por aca que me pico la nostalgia de beos[03:46:51] <umccullough_work> crap, it's late - i gotta head home[03:46:52] <umccullough_work> ttyl[03:46:54] *** umccullough_work has quit IRC[03:58:36] *** Master199 has quit IRC[04:12:56] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[04:14:38] *** cyrann has quit IRC[04:15:13] *** cyrann has joined #haiku[04:30:56] *** helf has joined #haiku[04:31:06] <helf> howdy[04:34:00] <DeadYak> evening[04:35:13] <helf> wow, this is the first time in a LONG time I've gotten a machine that sso infested with malware that its more efficient to just reload windows...[04:35:24] <DeadYak> how'd you manage that?[04:35:35] <helf> not mine ^_^[04:36:16] <DeadYak> oh[04:38:18] <helf> It's a coworkers.. I just fixed this machine like 2 weeks ago. I'm going to lock it down so hard they can only launch firefox and MS Word...[04:38:29] <kad77> use DeepFreeze[04:38:30] <DeadYak> hehe[04:38:41] <kad77> good way to rollback for those type of lusers ;)[04:38:50] <helf> I forget about deepfreeze.. :)[04:39:13] <kad77> Or give em back PC-BSD with Vista skin ... hahaha[04:39:15] <helf> I wish I had a few CenturionGuard licenses :P I love that program. works wonders. we use it at work on our public machines[04:39:18] <helf> heh[04:40:38] <helf> only bad thing with centurionguard is that i forgot and left automatic updates enabled on one of our branches computers... so updates would install, the machines would reboot, centurionguard had wiped out any previous changes on reboot... so the process looped forl ike 6 hours before i could get over there and fix it[04:41:31] <kad77> :-/[04:42:19] <kad77> that is actually more ocmical than sad (depending on your boss!)[04:42:33] <helf> I thought it was hilarious :)[04:42:53] <helf> My boss thought it was pretty funny as well[04:43:33] <pyCube> seriously.. if its only gonna run firefox and word, why bother sticking windows on there?[04:44:02] <helf> It isnt my macihne to decide what goes on it[04:44:13] <pyCube> but you can decide what get s locked down?[04:44:26] <helf> parodoxial, no? :)[04:44:52] <pyCube> no.. just kinda dumb[04:44:53] <helf> I was also being sarcastic[04:44:58] <pyCube> ah[04:44:59] <pyCube> heh[04:45:28] <helf> I'm gonna finish it tonight and then ask her if she would mind something else on it. She might not. if so, ill stick dekstopbsd or something on it[04:45:36] <helf> maybe kubuntu[04:46:15] <helf> but it is only a p2-233 with 224mb of ram.. not sure how well those would run on that (its not their main pc)[04:47:25] <pyCube> give them an x-less linux.. lynx and vi == ff and word, right?[04:47:38] <helf> absolutely![04:48:14] <pyCube> its point and click.. you point your finger at a key on the keyboard, then click it[04:51:02] <pyCube> has anybody ever made a vnc client or some such that uses aalib or caca?[04:54:06] <helf> not that i know of, be interesting though. probably work ok if your terminal was running at a high enough resolution[04:54:49] <pyCube> how about xorg itself via one of those libs.. heh[04:55:17] <helf> heh, bring back those dos batch style guis :P[04:55:57] <pyCube> with drowshadows and transarency[04:55:59] <helf> i ran a dos test gui on my old laptop. was pretty cool. supported multitasking programs, you could even move the program 'windows' around with your mouse and stuff[04:56:00] <pyCube> :-p[04:56:09] <helf> and it had 'shadows' :P[04:56:10] <pyCube> drop[04:56:13] <pyCube> yeah[04:56:22] <helf> darkelf shadows![04:57:35] <DeadYak> helf: what, DesQView?[04:58:18] <helf> i dont think so.. i cant remember the name of it. i have it on floppy somewhere[04:58:31] <helf> mihgtve been[04:58:36] <helf> http://short.stop.home.att.net/freesoft/jed.png[04:58:39] <helf> aw, memories :)[04:58:49] <DeadYak> haha[04:58:54] <helf> for some reason i still dont mind that style gui ;)[05:03:32] <helf> poo, gotta reboot. I mightve had a stick of ram go bad. programs are crashing left and right with memory read/write errors..[05:04:08] <DeadYak> memtest86 to the rescue![05:04:18] <skarmiglione> kad[05:04:41] *** helf has quit IRC[05:04:42] <skarmiglione> i have a pc-bsd but cant configure the x...[05:15:10] *** helf has joined #haiku[05:15:39] <helf> memtest86 tested ok.. guess xp was just being retarded...[05:17:09] <DeadYak> happens[05:17:35] <helf> a lot...[05:18:18] <DeadYak> I dunno, XP tends to be pretty ok for me on this laptop[05:18:26] <DeadYak> only time I ever reboot is patch tuesday[05:19:39] <helf> yeah, i usally dont have any isues. heh.[05:19:54] <helf> i'd run something else, but xp is the only OS witthat gives me decent 2d performance on this laptop[05:25:05] <umccullough> yeah, i rarely have XP go bad on me[05:25:23] <umccullough> and i run my XP boxes pretty hard ;)[05:25:44] <helf> heh[05:25:52] <helf> I've used vista on a friends pc... bleck :P[05:25:57] <umccullough> ick[05:26:10] <DeadYak> umccullough: was it you that was running like 5 VMs at once in XP?[05:26:11] <umccullough> the last thing i need is more overhead[05:26:22] <umccullough> DeadYak, i run over 30 vms on some of my xp boxes ;)[05:26:30] <DeadYak> ouch[05:26:44] <umccullough> in fact, i had a small disagreement with some XtremeSystems guys who claim VMWare supports a max of 24 vms :D[05:26:55] <umccullough> i think they never tried vmware server[05:27:02] <helf> vista was crazy slow on his pc.. and it was a quad core 3ghz intel chip with 4gb of ram etc etc..[05:27:23] <helf> jeez, umccullough[05:27:25] <DeadYak> helf: sounds like bad drivers[05:27:29] <helf> why would you need so many? :P[05:27:47] <helf> yeah, i think i tis. but still. ugh :)[05:28:11] <umccullough> helf i run a distributed computing project written in Java that traceroutes internet paths, but only runs a single instance per machine[05:28:25] <helf> oh[05:28:26] <umccullough> to get more points, i run multiple virtual machines ;)[05:28:39] <umccullough> i was #1 on daily rate for half the day today[05:28:42] <helf> what exactly are you doing? mapping the intarwebs? :)[05:28:44] <umccullough> until the russians caught up with me again[05:28:53] <umccullough> http://www.netdimes.org[05:29:16] <helf> loading...[05:29:19] * helf curses dialup[05:29:30] *** cyrann has quit IRC[05:29:35] <umccullough> it actually runs reasonable on dialup also ;)[05:29:42] <umccullough> http://stats.free-dc.org/new/allusers.php?proj=dimes&orderby=d0&direction=DESC[05:29:47] <umccullough> there I am...2nd for the day[05:30:55] *** cyrann has joined #haiku[05:31:41] <helf> oh, so it is mapping the intarwebs[05:31:46] <umccullough> basically, yes[05:31:53] <umccullough> measuring latency between hops and all that[05:32:42] <umccullough> it uses very little bandwidth, even when set to ping every 15 seconds[05:32:48] <umccullough> (which is the lowest setting)[05:32:58] <umccullough> but it's java, so a slight memory hog[05:33:21] <umccullough> my VMs are NT4 w/JRE 1.4.2 and allocated between 36mb and 40mb RAM each[05:33:32] <umccullough> they use about 300mb disk space :P[05:35:02] <helf> not bad[05:35:19] <umccullough> vmware is nice enough to swap out the lesser-used memory for me also ;)[05:35:20] <helf> run more![05:35:30] <umccullough> so i can usually get them down to between 10-20mb physical memory[05:35:44] <umccullough> unfortunately vmware uses up nearly 70mb to start with for each vm...[05:35:51] <helf> wtf...[05:36:15] <umccullough> the most i've ever really run is somewhere between 35 and 40 on a single box with only 2gb RAM :D[05:36:27] <umccullough> soon i'll upgrade a few boxes to 4gb RAM and try for more ;)[05:36:44] <helf> get a box that handls 6-8gb :)[05:37:04] <umccullough> well, technically several of mine do, but i'd have to upgrade to 64-bit OS[05:37:47] <umccullough> it really doesn't matter - i'm already hitting the limits of my 144kbps connection here... even traceroutes and stuff use up bandwidth ;)[05:37:57] <helf> heh[05:37:58] <umccullough> especially since it has to upload the results to the DIMES server[05:38:11] <helf> ouch, 144? that sounds like a cellphone connection[05:38:18] <umccullough> IDSL[05:38:28] <umccullough> cellphones can get nearly 768[05:38:41] <helf> my cellphone only supports up to 144kbps[05:40:33] <helf> ok.. windows xp pro takes years to install on a p2-233/224mb of ram[05:42:06] <umccullough> :)[05:42:15] <umccullough> it doesn't take very long on a virtual machine ;)[05:42:22] <helf> heh[05:42:23] <umccullough> probably cuz all the disk access during setup is cached[05:43:59] <helf> wooo[05:44:06] <helf> blade runner theatrical finished downloading[05:44:20] <kad77> umc: see if a WiMAX ype company exists in your area yet[05:44:24] <umccullough> man, i remember the painful days of dialup[05:44:43] <helf> im runing at a blazing 32.0kbps ;)[05:44:49] <kad77> I had WiMAx, which had its probs, but was betetr than satellite and dial up[05:44:50] <umccullough> kad77, there's a wifi provider, but all the plans have ridiculous bandwidth caps that I can supercede in a week on my current connection[05:45:05] <kad77> umccullough: figures![05:45:06] <umccullough> i'd rather pay $120/mo for IDSL[05:45:18] <helf> 120/m?![05:45:24] <helf> where are you?[05:45:27] <kad77> CA baby[05:45:38] <kad77> almost as high taxed as WI ;D[05:45:38] <umccullough> bandwidth caps are f'ing ridiculous - i'll boycott any ISP with that BS[05:45:51] <umccullough> IDSL is $120/mo anywhere you go[05:45:52] <helf> my 32-40kbps connection is neough for IM, several SSH sessions, one website loading at a time :P[05:45:57] <umccullough> it's business-class[05:46:06] <helf> 144kpbs = business class?[05:46:11] <umccullough> helf i used to get 31.2kbps dialup for $8/mo[05:46:14] <helf> is it symetrical?[05:46:19] <JonathanThompson> Crud, I'll have to wait perhaps longer to get a new machine, helf :([05:46:20] <kad77> $60/mo for business class cable ... but $75 add. for the 5 static IPs :D[05:46:22] <helf> my dialup is 8/m[05:46:23] <umccullough> helf, IDSL is always business class[05:46:31] <helf> i just have bad lines.. SHOULD be 56kbps :P[05:46:47] <umccullough> helf, same here - that's why i couldn't deal with it any more[05:46:48] <helf> JonathanThompson : why? :([05:46:53] <umccullough> IDSL goes up to 7 miles from CO[05:46:58] <helf> oh ok[05:46:58] <JonathanThompson> helf, remember when my last Saturn had the cotter pin in the differential go? Did I know you then?[05:47:01] <helf> yeah[05:47:20] <JonathanThompson> Well, same thing happened this time, but automatic transmission, and only around 65K miles.[05:47:31] <helf> umccullough : i guess business class = mostly 100% uptime, right? :)[05:47:33] <JonathanThompson> So, I need to put another transmission in :([05:47:38] <kad77> umccullough: is IDSL a new term for ISDN?[05:47:38] <umccullough> JonathanThompson, so... next vehicle will be a Saturn?[05:47:40] <helf> wow[05:47:48] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps not, umccullough.[05:47:50] <helf> whats with you and cars? i just wreck mine.. :P[05:47:53] <umccullough> kad77, IDSL is always-on ISDN on a dedicated circuit[05:48:02] <umccullough> no per-minute charges, no dialtone[05:48:07] <helf> nice[05:48:08] <JonathanThompson> helf, I don't normally destroy cars with such spectacular ability :P[05:48:13] <kad77> k, digital line, ISDN. :D[05:48:18] <JonathanThompson> That's your talent :)[05:48:25] <umccullough> helf, yes, guaranteed uptime and static IP[05:48:32] <helf> JonathanThompson : hehe, ive busted the crankshaft in my vans engine ^_^[05:48:39] <JonathanThompson> The crazy thing is, I bet I was driving it a week in that state, or longer.[05:48:43] <helf> umccullough , oh sweet. i'd pay 120/m for that[05:49:06] <umccullough> helf, i have had some downtime over the last couple years - but they credit me for it ;)[05:49:15] <helf> JonathanThompson : im still driving my van ^_^, the engine is about to go completely though. im being gentle on it. thank god im picking up a new car on the 7th[05:49:21] <kad77> my 'guaranteed' uptime has had priblems last two weeks. just blips, but I get a tech line where I get a guy right away on the phone, who actually gives meaningful answers and solutions :) worth it for that alone[05:49:23] <helf> umccullough , nice :D[05:49:26] <umccullough> the second time the guy found a squirrel had chewed the line[05:49:33] <JonathanThompson> Email from dealership:[05:49:33] <JonathanThompson> We found that the transmission bell housing is cracked internally from a broken gear pin. Simply put, you need a new transmission. It is not repairable.[05:49:34] <JonathanThompson>[05:49:35] <JonathanThompson> Jonathan, you have two options:[05:49:35] <JonathanThompson>[05:49:36] <JonathanThompson> Option 1 - A used transmission[05:49:36] <helf> i, guessing that you have pretty good latency too[05:49:37] <JonathanThompson> Parts $1690[05:49:39] <JonathanThompson> Labor $950[05:49:42] <JonathanThompson> Total $2640[05:49:44] <JonathanThompson> This transmission is available TODAY if you let us know within 1 hour.[05:50:12] <umccullough> helf, actually it's pretty shitty[05:50:14] <kad77> 1650 for a used trans? hahaha[05:50:19] <umccullough> my first hop is in Seattle, WA[05:50:22] <helf> dont laugh, kad[05:50:31] <helf> the tranny for my dads car, when he blew it, was over 2k[05:50:32] <JonathanThompson> The other option was a new trans with a total of $3386,, not counting the brake job and oil change I expected going in...[05:50:44] <helf> course, his trans was custom police spec ^_^[05:50:52] <umccullough> JonathanThompson, get the used one, sell the car[05:50:53] <helf> a replacement one of those was like 8k[05:50:58] <kad77> Well, that is too much for a used transmission. I've bought and installed a few[05:51:01] <helf> he got the cheaper 2k version ;)[05:51:18] <helf> wait, 1.6k for a USED one? i missed the used part[05:51:19] <umccullough> buy a toyota[05:51:38] <JonathanThompson> Well, automatics for modern cars often aren't cheap, I don't have time to drag my car around, and I have no way I could do the work myself.[05:51:45] <kad77> For instance, I can get a five year old police package caprice for $2500. So if just the trans or engine too much at $1500 each? of course[05:52:00] <helf> that sucks, jt :([05:52:15] <JonathanThompson> kad77, remember: front wheel drive.[05:52:18] <helf> kad, and get 15mpg... :P[05:52:32] <JonathanThompson> Front wheel drive transmissions/etc are more expensive than rear wheel drive.[05:52:36] <kad77> just an example, it would be more for power than efficiency[05:53:02] <kad77> JonathanThompson: yeah, and you have to pull the engine to change a front wheel drive[05:53:06] <JonathanThompson> And gas prices are 3rd highest in the US here, and traffic is also 3rd worst.... as well as insurance rates.... hmmmm....[05:53:08] <kad77> they sit laterally under the engine[05:53:17] <helf> my dads old car was interceptor spec. we loved it. we didnt know it was that at first. had a slightly customized engine, custom ECU, custom suspension, custom breaks, custom tranny...[05:53:50] <helf> we wondered why the car would screem... :P[05:54:01] <kad77> JonathanThompson: consider financing a VW golf diesel. You might enjoy eit, gas prices may pay for the extra cost in a short time period[05:54:08] <JonathanThompson> If it has this transmission die before 150K, I'm thinking I'll have the car towed onto the dealership lot, and I'll shoot it with a shotgun purchased/borrowed for that purpose.[05:54:17] <helf> heh[05:54:28] <JonathanThompson> A tranny should NOT die this young.[05:54:32] <helf> jt, my vans tranny has 179k miles on it and has been abused by mean and still works perfectly :D[05:54:43] <JonathanThompson> My point exactly, helf :)[05:54:45] <pyCube> dead trannies?[05:54:47] <helf> i just had a $100 service on it done. absolutely nothing wrong with it[05:54:55] <JonathanThompson> Better than dead grannies, pyCube :P[05:55:06] <pyCube> what if granny is a tranny?[05:55:16] <helf> im thinking about getting my vans engine fixed next year. i really love my van :P[05:55:23] <helf> just cant see spending the cash at the moment on it[05:55:24] <pyCube> helf: what sort of van?[05:55:34] <helf> 1991 chevy astro van[05:55:38] <pyCube> ah[05:55:41] <helf> 4.3L v6[05:55:44] <helf> i love it :)[05:55:59] <helf> gets 'ok' mpg for the size engine.. i get around 17 in town and ~22-24 on th ehighway[05:56:00] <kad77> I have a 2004 4.3 v6 with 10k miles (hint, hint)[05:56:21] <helf> but filling up a 27g tank every 2 weeks hurts[05:56:24] <pyCube> i am debating on whether to tow or drive my car when i move to cali[05:56:28] <kad77> I think you have FWD, so the trans won't be useful to you[05:56:31] <helf> sometimes every 1.5 weeks or less[05:56:44] <helf> cube, tow it[05:56:56] <pyCube> why?[05:57:05] <helf> because :P[05:57:07] <pyCube> heh[05:57:14] <helf> think of your poor 914s paint job! :)[05:57:28] <kad77> unnecessary wear and tear,. water pumps, brake parts, all kind of things will fail on a long trip[05:57:44] <pyCube> water pumps are for lame-o cars[05:57:51] <pyCube> :-p[05:57:52] <helf> cubes engine is aircooled[05:57:53] <helf> :P[05:58:00] <kad77> que es?[05:58:05] <kad77> VW[05:58:10] <pyCube> porsche 914[05:58:13] <umccullough> the only car i've had a transmission fail on was a GM...oh wait...Saturn == GM ;)[05:58:17] <helf> pancake 4cyl, right?[05:58:20] * JonathanThompson thinks of the short-lived series my brother told me about, "My Mother, the Car"[05:58:21] <kad77> ah[05:58:27] <pyCube> but yeah.. vw type-IV engine[05:58:34] <pyCube> 2.0L 4cyl[05:58:39] <DocPheniX> sup helf[05:58:50] <helf> hey DocPheniX[05:59:03] <skarmiglione> oie kad[05:59:11] <DocPheniX> man new darwin should come out soon[05:59:12] <skarmiglione> kad77[05:59:14] <DocPheniX> im stoked[05:59:17] <kad77> yes?[05:59:28] <helf> oh cool[05:59:29][05:59:46] <kad77> no, sorry? :D un poco[05:59:55] <DocPheniX> no habla[06:00:00] <skarmiglione> you have a pc-bsd?[06:00:07] <helf> mi hablo esponal un poquito ;)[06:00:18] <JonathanThompson> Well, I hope Yahoo renews my contract before the deadline for the end of the month.... I can't easily afford a protracted job search right now if not :([06:00:18] <skarmiglione> :D[06:00:31] <helf> cube, the golf im getting is a 1.7l diesel. gets all of like 57hp and 72ft-lbs torque :D[06:00:34] <DocPheniX> lol helf, thats about all the spanish i know other than swearwords[06:00:37] <kad77> PC-BSD, yes, I run that sometimes. Submit bug reports[06:00:54] <helf> JonathanThompson , yeah, i hope they do[06:01:18] <JonathanThompson> That car repair=1 month of living costs.[06:01:23] <skarmiglione> what you think is better, pc-bsd or desktop-bsd[06:01:32] <kad77> JonathanThompson: at least you work in a great area for tech work, I wish I could say the same. :D[06:01:42] <helf> heh[06:01:45] <DocPheniX> helf: hows the gas mileage on that golf?[06:01:48] <helf> my area is dead for tech workers[06:01:51] <JonathanThompson> kad77, you should see what the interview processes are like around here as a side-effect of the area :P[06:02:02] <kad77> yes, I can only imagine[06:02:11] <JonathanThompson> If you're lucky, it might only take only all day.[06:02:19] <JonathanThompson> (For one company interview)[06:02:26] <helf> DocPheniX, should get around 40mpg. it has a 4spd, ill be taking the 5spd out of my broke down golf an dsticking it on it after i get it rebuilt. should up me to aorund 60mpg on the highway ^_^[06:02:37] <JonathanThompson> That's after a phone interview and likely homework assignment before the on-site interview.[06:02:54] <DocPheniX> helf: nice[06:03:04] <kad77> JT: perhaps just a buy a temp used car, like your freind did with the 'hippie' Saturn. At least that gives you time to research options[06:03:05] <DocPheniX> you run biodeisel at all helf?[06:03:23] <helf> not yet.[06:03:24] <JonathanThompson> The Amazon.com interview was like that: phone interview, assignment to turn in via email, then a 6 hour in-person interveiw.[06:03:24] <kad77> you can sell the hoopdie when you get the car fixed or replaced[06:03:24] <helf> i might next year[06:03:31] <helf> i dont actually have the rabbit yet. ill be picking it up on the 7th[06:03:39] <JonathanThompson> Well, kad77, parking is one of those tight issues in this area.[06:03:46] <DocPheniX> helf: i have a small biodesel reactor in the garage :P[06:03:47] <kad77> ak[06:03:55] <DocPheniX> i sell it as i dont have a deisel[06:03:56] <helf> DocPheniX : lol, cool :D[06:04:01] <JonathanThompson> It's hard to manage (without it getting expensive) more than one car if you don't own a house with a large enough driveway.[06:04:07] <kad77> buy a moped, start weaving through that traffic[06:04:12] <helf> i might try making my own[06:04:18] <JonathanThompson> I can't use that to get off Mercer Island :([06:04:19] <kad77> wear a wetsuit for the rain[06:04:42] <DocPheniX> its pretty easy helf, i use wase veg oil thats filtered[06:04:42] <helf> be sweet if i can power my vehicle with my *own* fuel. specially when we have the next oil crisis ;) stock up on engine oil and a few other things and make my own fuel .hehe[06:04:47] <JonathanThompson> But, there is a bus system here, and I do own a mountain bike that hasn't been sufficiently abused since I bought it...[06:05:10] * JonathanThompson imagines helf walking around the neighborhood, "Bring out your dead -oil!"[06:05:11] <helf> JonathanThompson : exercise :D[06:05:18] <helf> lol[06:05:24] <JonathanThompson> Of course, it is heading into the wet season...[06:05:31] <kad77> JT: well, eitehr way I can say that spending that much hard earned dough on a vehicle with that many miles needs furtehr consideration[06:05:44] <helf> buy another car for 4k.. :P[06:05:47] <JonathanThompson> There are two seasons here: wet and dry, where one tends to be much more one than the other, and the other way around.[06:06:07] <JonathanThompson> The frustrating thing is, kad77, the engine is in PERFECT running condition.[06:06:12] <JonathanThompson> It doesn't use oil, etc.[06:06:31] <kad77> yes, you were saying a few days back. but bam! look what happened[06:06:38] <kad77> metal fatigues[06:06:45] <JonathanThompson> I assure you, though: if the transmission does this sort of thing again, the car goes, regardless of the rest.[06:07:12] <kad77> With old cars, my father once told me something that seems to be true in life:[06:07:39] <kad77> You start replacing old parts in cars, and the older parts aren't in sync with the new ones[06:07:42] <helf> ill be slowly replacing everything mechanical except the engine block on my rabbit once i get it. and ALL the hoses and stuff[06:07:43] <JonathanThompson> It isn't that old: about 65K miles, 2001...[06:07:44] <kad77> well, essentially:[06:08:07] <kad77> a newer motor will outstress an older tranny, vice versa could occur[06:08:13] <JonathanThompson> But if this is a transmission design defect, and it bites more than once, that clearly signals it isn't worth attempting again.[06:08:39] <kad77> 65k? Oh, I thought this was the 150k motor[06:08:42] <JonathanThompson> No....[06:08:47] <kad77> look for recalls[06:08:56] <JonathanThompson> If it had 150K miles, I would NOT have thought long.[06:09:07] <helf> cube, i finally sold my spitfire. dunno if i told you[06:09:23] <kad77> I had a 2003 Acura 3.2TL, which tranny died at 30k miles, was repalaced by warranty, but sold the car after that. Bought a used maxima, which is fine[06:09:24] * umccullough notes that his '95 maxima has 185k miles and goes 100miles/day ;)[06:09:35] <JonathanThompson> Even if it had been in perfect engine shape at the mileage, it still wouldn't have overall been worth the risk.[06:09:57] * kad77 cheers umccullough, kad77 has a '97 maxima with 170k miles[06:10:09] <umccullough> kad77, my 95 is starting to have some issues though :P[06:10:20] <umccullough> i've replaced one injector already, and I think another one is going out[06:10:28] <helf> im pretty sure the only reason my vans engine is screwing up is because, before the car was mine, my grandmother was dirving it and it had a coolant leak.. she DROVEA it home over 4 MILES with NO coolant!!! the engine was so hot i couldnt touch the hood to open it[06:10:33] <umccullough> and the O2 sensor is acting up :/[06:10:44] <helf> so im pretty sure that is what led to the crankshaft going[06:10:46] <kad77> I just redid some calipers, need to do the rubber bushings. All for now![06:11:07] <umccullough> yeah, i noticed the rubber on my calipers is trashed...but i'm too cheap to replace 'em[06:11:13] <helf> umccullough those are easy to change[06:11:28] <kad77> oh, you have three O2 sensors. I lost the last one, it is really something you can drive fine without. 18months with the third gone, it is just a refinement[06:11:30] <umccullough> helf, the O2 sensor?[06:11:33] <helf> yes[06:11:52] <umccullough> kad77, yeah, it's running fine (sorta) but the MIL comes on[06:11:54] <kad77> nissan ones are expensive, and need a special wrench.[06:12:00] <helf> least it is on my van :P[06:12:14] <umccullough> i've replaced O2 sensors on my hondas...not hard[06:12:19] * helf reflects on the fact he has gone thorugh 4 cars in less than 2 years[06:12:24] <umccullough> i have an O2 sensor socket for the hondas...[06:12:34] <kad77> yeah, it will trig the 'dash/idiot' light, but I researched this on forums, and asked my mechanic. No decrease in gas MPG[06:12:55] <helf> a lot of it has to do with emissions control, not mpg[06:12:59] <kad77> nissan over engineered with these O2s, three is a little excessive[06:13:00] * JonathanThompson goes to eating his last cooking experiment[06:13:04] <kad77> helf: yup[06:13:11] <umccullough> kad77, i have a problem with the ignition switch also (or perhaps the starter solenoid) - takes a while to get the starter to engage[06:13:11] <helf> my van only has 2[06:13:18] <helf> one before and after the cat converter[06:13:21] <kad77> umc: hahahaha, me too[06:13:32] <kad77> i just tap it forward a few times[06:13:33] <umccullough> and then if the car's been sitting, it doesn't want to start easy - that's either another injector, or perhaps the O2 sensor[06:13:38] <kad77> no, no[06:13:46] <kad77> it is the ignition switch[06:13:47] <umccullough> kad77, yep, but my wife can't start it - only i can :D[06:13:53] <helf> eh[06:13:55] <helf> nice[06:13:55] <helf> :P[06:13:58] <umccullough> and it starts easy when cold[06:14:01] <helf> "YOU CANT GET AWAY!!"[06:14:01] <umccullough> the switch that is[06:14:09] <pyCube> i have to get my wife a vw bus, but then my next car will be an electric porsche 550 spyder replica[06:14:13] <kad77> don't even turn the key hard, just tap it from 3/4 engaged to fll on a few times in succession, it will start like normal[06:14:33] <helf> pyCube I LOVE the buses! my dad wants a camper again pretty badly[06:14:39] <umccullough> kad77, yes... i usually have to shut everything off though - no lights, no radio, no AC[06:14:42] <helf> he has had like 5 busses/campers over the years[06:14:44] <umccullough> then it starts easy[06:14:49] <kad77> umc: yes, mine has trouble starting from thgat when hot, works when cold. this is a design defect[06:14:59] <umccullough> kad77, good to know it's not just me ;)[06:15:04] <pyCube> helf: we're looking for a bus or maybe a squareback[06:15:30] <kad77> ha, yeah, I'm glad to hear that freak problem occurs in at least one other maxima. sounds like the same one![06:15:44] <helf> pyCube ive not seen many squarebacks[06:15:45] <pyCube> i have access to a non-running karman-ghia.. that make for a neat electric platform[06:15:51] <helf> one sold on ebay for like 2.3k a few days ago[06:16:07] <helf> my dad had a ghia too :P he loved it[06:17:31] <pyCube> a guy i work with drives a ghia.. theyre so cool, in a cute way (for lack of better term)[06:17:46] <helf> yeah[06:17:51] <helf> sucks the body is one piece mostly[06:18:08] <helf> bash a fender and its a PITA to fix[06:18:20] <pyCube> youre nt supposed to bash fenders[06:18:25] <helf> I know ;)[06:18:33] <pyCube> or roll cars[06:18:51] <helf> shaddup[06:18:55] <pyCube> heh[06:19:01] <helf> I miss my rx-7[06:19:20] <helf> one of the later '83 models.. a GSL with a 13b instead of a 12b[06:19:24] <helf> 1.3l instead of 1.1[06:19:27] <helf> flew :)[06:19:36] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[06:19:41] <kad77> seal problems?[06:19:45] <helf> nope[06:19:51] <pyCube> it wasnt designed to fly, ya know..[06:19:51] <helf> not any probs with the engine[06:19:54] <helf> heh[06:19:57] <helf> kad, i rolled it[06:19:59] <helf> doing like 70[06:20:07] <kad77> nice, those older ones were prone to that[06:20:10] <helf> yeah[06:20:18] <kad77> i meant seal problems, not rolling![06:20:22] <helf> no, my engine and tranny were perfect. even though it had around 145k miles on it[06:20:24] <pyCube> hehe[06:21:00] <helf> what i hated about that car was that it would grip and grip and grip and grip then just totally break loose. no squeeling and sliding.. like in my other cars..[06:21:15] <kad77> Well, get a rollcage stuntboy. :D Wider body cars are also a nice precaution[06:21:40] <helf> kad, i shouldnt have to worry about it with my rabbit :P 57hp/72ft-lbs torque..[06:21:51] <helf> gonna get a bumper sticker that says 0-60 in 5 minutes flat ;)[06:22:31] <kad77> yess, I have a VW 1.8 turbo setup that needs a home. probably not worth trying to fit on that rabbit tho. :)[06:22:41] <helf> oo...[06:22:55] <helf> nah, i need mpg and reliability right now[06:23:05] <helf> i cant afford to get another fun car until end of next year[06:23:10] <helf> probably be a bricklin or another rx-7[06:23:26] <helf> i want a manual brickling with an AMC 360... ;)[06:23:41] <helf> bricklin[06:23:41] *** AndrevS has quit IRC[06:24:11] <kad77> I think I may try and get a CNG setup, so I can just fuel up at home. :D[06:24:26] <helf> :P[06:25:13] <kad77> They can be dual CNG/gas. But increases life of engine supposedly. Clean oil changes, etc[06:25:49] <helf> oh, my rabbit is also normally aspirated.. :] compounds its slowness[06:25:49] <helf> hehe[06:25:53] <kad77> Probably too much hassle, and CNG prices are going to be high again this winder (like every winter)[06:28:06] <helf> im gonna stick an extra tank in the rear-end. with a 5spd conversion + ~25-30gallons of fuel, ill be able to drive out to roswell, nm and back on a tank ^_^[06:30:24] <DocPheniX> :P[06:31:02] <helf> beats the ~400 miles i can get out of 27g of gasoline in my van ;)[06:32:14] <helf> well, 600miles..[06:50:08] *** Kokito has quit IRC[06:58:40] *** kad77 has quit IRC[07:09:53] *** skarmiglione has quit IRC[07:12:08] *** umccullough_lap has joined #haiku[07:14:31] <helf> ack, its 1:15.. night[07:19:01] <pyCube> heh[07:19:22] <pyCube> helf: i got the actual offer today, new job thing..[07:19:34] <pyCube> i'm-uh goin'[07:26:06] *** helf has quit IRC[07:28:53] <JonathanThompson> Hey pyCube, how much better was the offer than you expected?[07:29:17] <pyCube> its was right about what i expected, actually[07:29:38] <pyCube> union job too.. which is a first for me[07:29:46] <JonathanThompson> I hope you don't have sticker shock with checking for real living arrangements.[07:29:56] <JonathanThompson> Union job? WTF?[07:30:00] <pyCube> i've been looking at real places[07:30:04] <JonathanThompson> Developing software?[07:30:13] <pyCube> for a film company[07:30:42] <JonathanThompson> Huh.... unionized software development...[07:31:17] <pyCube> i will get the opportunity to do not-software things too[07:31:54] <JonathanThompson> Sometimes that's a good thing.[07:32:05] <pyCube> yeah.. and its why its a union pos.[07:32:17] <pyCube> its not a software dev union.. hehe[07:32:22] <JonathanThompson> What sort of non-software stuff?[07:32:29] <pyCube> film industry stuff[07:33:09] <JonathanThompson> Anything more specific than that? :)[07:33:38] * JonathanThompson imagines pyCube being a stunt driver[07:33:41] <pyCube> hehe[07:33:54] <pyCube> yeah.. stunt man for a cgi film[07:34:05] <JonathanThompson> Green screen, all the way :)[07:34:50] <pyCube> its is aall about that performance caputure stuff.. so i suppose you could get a stunt man to do amazing jumps and rolls and such against a green screen[07:34:58] <pyCube> hehe[07:35:07] <JonathanThompson> I see (dots)[07:35:36] <JonathanThompson> I suspect you're not very qualified in terms of being physically gifted for that sort of thing :)[07:35:43] <JonathanThompson> (I know I'm not)[07:36:05] <pyCube> i am quite atheltic actually[07:36:21] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps they'll teach you how to fence, so that can be captured...[07:37:17] <JonathanThompson> And hey, the reality is not everyone has the same body proportions, and it's good to have multiple body mutations to make things more interesting and realistic.[07:38:23] <pyCube> what makes you assume that i would not be physically gifted/capable?[07:38:32] *** umccullough_lap has quit IRC[07:38:55] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps it's a dangerous thing to assume such things...[07:39:08] <pyCube> i was always the bane of jocks.. the geek kid who always made all-star teams in whatever sport..[07:39:13] <JonathanThompson> I don't recall ever reading you talking about such things, though.[07:39:33] <JonathanThompson> Though I realize not everyone sucks at stuff they aren't interested in.[07:39:55] <JonathanThompson> And not everyone is any good at things they love to do, either, as that isn't required :)[07:40:02] <pyCube> i am great interest in playing sports.. talking about them, professional sprts etc. completely dissintrested[07:41:03] <JonathanThompson> I'm not convinced that there's a physical sport I could excel at to truly competitive levels, and you know what? I can live with that.[07:41:26] <pyCube> yeah.. heh[07:42:11] <pyCube> i just happened to be rather capable at physical things.. i played for fun. not really all that into sports as a thing to be in to[07:42:22] <JonathanThompson> I also don't have delusions that I'd show well enough on American Idol to be noticed as either extremely bad and entertaining, or extremely good and entertaining. I'm suspecting that at best, Simon Cowell would say, "I can find a million guys like you on a church choir!"[07:43:01] <JonathanThompson> Then again, due to age restrictions, I don't think it was ever a concern anyway :P[07:43:10] <pyCube> hehe[07:43:37] <JonathanThompson> I am certain I wouldn't be nearly the worst they heard.[07:43:48] <JonathanThompson> I'm also certain I'm no rock star material :P[07:44:27] * JonathanThompson remembers some absofrigginlutely bizarre contestants on what he's seen/heard[07:45:13] <JonathanThompson> American Idol to me is the greatest public example of why "little white lies" are still a horrible sin in reality.[07:45:46] <JonathanThompson> People get horrible delusions about their greatness, and end up getting horribly deflated in front of the world as a result.[07:47:09] <pyCube> i am more concerned that people know more about american idol than say, current events in a non-entertainment sense[07:47:36] <JonathanThompson> Good point: American Idol has zero importance to the world at large.[07:47:54] <pyCube> it has 0 importance period[07:48:03] <JonathanThompson> If all the contestants ever on the show suddenly got killed somehow, I suspect it'd make no meaningful difference to life on earth.[07:48:06] <geist> YOU LIE DONT SAY SUCH THINGS[07:48:14] <pyCube> distraction is the point, it seems[07:48:27] * JonathanThompson must lie like a bear rug[07:51:10] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[07:51:29] <pyCube> geist: i cant remember.. you live on the peninsula, right?[07:51:42] <geist> yes[08:04:44] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[08:19:52] <Kokito> howdy geist[08:25:24] * Kokito is anxiously waiting for his new nokia n800[08:42:51] *** _konrad has joined #haiku[08:44:06] <_konrad> Hello[08:44:50] <Kokito> hi _konrad[08:45:12] <_konrad> Hi Kokito[08:47:16] *** rhu has joined #haiku[08:48:19] <_konrad> Can you watch flashmovies within any browser on BeOS/Haiku (or any other movie format)?[08:49:31] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[08:49:43] <Hugen> hi[08:50:06] <_konrad> Hi Hugen[08:50:50] <Hugen> hi konrad[08:53:39] <Kokito> _konrad: there is currently no support for Flash in BeOS/Haiku[08:53:56] <_konrad> Kokito == koki?[08:54:39] <_konrad> If yes, will there be a webbrowser in the official image?[08:55:02] <_konrad> If yes, which one? Firefo[08:55:08] <_konrad> firefox, even?[08:55:58] <Kokito> yes _konrad :)[08:56:19] <_konrad> Nice.[08:56:39] <Kokito> _konrad: no, I meant to say "yes, I am Koki" :)[08:56:45] <_konrad> Oh[08:56:51] <_konrad> Then hi =)([08:56:54] <Kokito> but don't know if the official image will include a web browser or not[08:56:57] <Kokito> hi :)[08:57:42] <_konrad> So you want user joe to run a script to download a webbrowser (maybe using wget) and still thinks Haiku would fit my moms computer experience?[08:57:59] <Kokito> _konrad: mlotz did some work on porting gnash to beos/haiku, but it has been a while back and nothing has been released yet, nor is there a roadmap[08:58:16] <_konrad> Is there a roadmap for Haiku itself?[08:58:29] <Kokito> _konrad: you are asking the wrong person :)[08:58:40] <_konrad> I guess[08:58:50] <_konrad> Thanks for trying then Koki[08:58:59] <Kokito> it's not up to me what Haiku will be or how :)[08:59:22] <_konrad> Well I guess you could always fork it and do whatever you want[08:59:41] <Kokito> the beauty of open source, is it not? :P[08:59:56] <_konrad> It could get rather nasty too[09:00:01] <Kokito> or create a distro w/o forking it[09:00:22] <_konrad> Let say distrubutor x adds alot of features to their netstack, another adds more functionality to the kernel.[09:00:40] <_konrad> The two distros wont play with each other then[09:00:42] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[09:01:01] <Kokito> _konrad: could happen[09:01:09] <_konrad> Kokito it will happen[09:01:25] <_konrad> I would like to see more bloat in the appserver actually[09:01:41] <Kokito> maybe the distros give back their additions/changes to haiku, who knows...[09:01:44] <_konrad> and InterfaceKit (more classes) + eye candy[09:02:04] <Kokito> anything is possible, but I would not be so sure one way or another[09:02:24] <Kokito> _konrad: you want a zeta-like Haiku distro then?[09:02:38] <_konrad> Zeta looked like crap so, no[09:02:47] <_konrad> More like OS X[09:03:02] <_konrad> I mean what would BeOS look like today[09:03:03] <Kokito> maybe in one decade or two :)[09:03:16] <_konrad> If Be continued to work on it since 99[09:03:21] <_konrad> Hmm, sorry 01[09:04:08] <Kokito> in my country we say: "if my grandma had balls, she would be my grandpa". IOW, it's not going to happen. :P[09:04:39] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[09:04:48] *** Hugen_ has joined #haiku[09:05:02] *** stargater has joined #haiku[09:05:05] <stargater> moin[09:05:22] <Kokito> hey stargater![09:05:30] <_konrad> Kokito so you saying that Haiku will continue and look like an os designed 10 years ago?[09:05:50] <Hugen_> hi stargater[09:06:13] <stargater> hi Kokito[09:06:21] <Kokito> _konrad: not necessarily[09:06:31] <stargater> _konrad: haiku (BeOS) have the best os Design :-)[09:06:40] <_konrad> stargater rofl[09:06:55] <_konrad> stargater I guess the API itself is "clean"[09:07:10] <stargater> better then mac os x = under the hood runs mac os 9[09:07:31] <_konrad> really? I thought it was darwin?[09:07:42] <_konrad> Still, I dont care, it looks good, its easy to use.[09:08:10] <Kokito> _konrad: os x looks more and more interesting & intrguing with each release[09:08:36] <_konrad> I havent tried Leopard yet, but I will get a review copy today or tomorrow[09:09:14] <Kokito> don't have the hardware here, bit if I had to buy a computer today, I would be very tempted to buy a mac[09:09:25] <Kokito> *but*[09:09:34] <_konrad> Kokito It might be me, but I got the feeling that the haiku board doesnt want to change a thing (on the eye candy side)[09:10:11] <_konrad> They want it to be very fast (I guess they never heard of Moores law) =)[09:10:32] <Kokito> the KISS approach/philosophy is strong, so I doubt that we'll see major changes to the looks of the OS[09:11:09] <AlienSoldier> if one thing i would hope it's even less eye candy, fake 2d grey effect are so 90's[09:11:16] <_konrad> Kokito I dont say Haiku is hard to use[09:11:40] <_konrad> I just say it has to keep up with its competitors[09:11:51] <_konrad> AlienSoldier true =)[09:12:05] <Kokito> _konrad: I was not talking about functionality[09:12:12] <AlienSoldier> i personaly would like a color coded fully vectorized UI[09:13:12] <AlienSoldier> scaling is not breaking consistency imho[09:13:30] <_konrad> I like how you can change the size of one folder on your desktop[09:13:31] <stargater> _konrad: and is leopard faster then the "old" BeOS ?[09:13:52] <_konrad> stargater you mean if bloat is an issue today?[09:14:23] <_konrad> BeOS is fast on slow hardware, but not that much faster on "fast" hardware[09:14:45] *** wildur has quit IRC[09:15:00] <AlienSoldier> as ulta low voltage device become more usable day by day (the elusive once a time ago internet applyance) i think bloat will be even more the ennemy than before[09:15:10] <stargater> _konrad: beos ist faster on hardware how have a driver for this[09:15:17] <_konrad> A friend of mine was running BeOS on a PII 350 Mhz computer and it booted faster on that machine than on my 2800+ AMD[09:15:26] <stargater> mac os x = start photoshop ..................[09:15:45] <_konrad> stargater BeOS start FF[09:15:56] <_konrad> And then compare that with Safari =)[09:16:04] <_konrad> Iam not here to bash BeOS[09:16:16] <stargater> FF = is not realy good and native port[09:16:26] <stargater> ok[09:16:28] <stargater> :-)[09:16:42] <_konrad> Iam using it as we speach, but Iam afraid that one of my favourite OSes is going to stand still as time goes on[09:16:43] <AlienSoldier> i don't get that in those day and age ALL app don't start in the milisec range[09:17:09] <_konrad> stargater and a 10 year old GUI wont attract new users[09:17:33] <stargater> what ever, mac os x is not bad then vista but not better then vista, linux ore other. Mac have good application thats true :-)[09:17:34] <Kokito> most apps start quite fast in XP. it's no beos, but it's quite decent.[09:18:01] <_konrad> stargater Its quite a big difference between Vista and OS X[09:18:05] <AlienSoldier> i agree with the GUI, it's also one of the first thing that will get upgraded as it's not that hard to do (any dev have the expertise to do it, not like a netstack for exemple)[09:18:16] <stargater> _konrad: i like not the "new" GUI[09:18:45] <stargater> AlienSoldier: aha, you mean new aqua buttons and co for haiku[09:19:00] <_konrad> AlienSoldier Haiku had good concepts, they had a active group of people that wanted to change the GUI (remember gonx, and stuebear)?[09:19:34] <stargater> i think haiku have verry nice icons and the good way to the beos feel gui[09:19:42] <AlienSoldier> when i talk about new GUI i talk new rendering and vector and such, i don't want jelly bean UI[09:19:52] <Kokito> _konrad: I believe stippi had something in the works (or maybe in mind?) to spiff up the looks of Haiku[09:20:03] <_konrad> stargater yes Haikus Icons are nice. but lets face it. How good looking is the BPopupMenu?[09:20:16] <AlienSoldier> the icon can stay for years, they are ok[09:20:30] <_konrad> Kokito I also heard that[09:20:44] <_konrad> (directly from Stephen)[09:21:28] <AlienSoldier> and the UI need to scale well to HDTV setup and very small portable device[09:21:48] <stargater> BPopupMenu , what is wrong on this?[09:22:03] <_konrad> I would love to have feature in the tracker that lists types with a surtain color (like having all your movies with blue color)[09:22:20] *** Hugen has quit IRC[09:22:29] <AlienSoldier> so, transparency and scalable UI would be very substancial first start[09:22:38] <stargater> _konrad: thats a argument with the color[09:22:48] <_konrad> stargater?[09:22:51] <AlienSoldier> ... and the end of flicking please :P[09:23:03] <_konrad> AlienSoldier thats because BeOS developers are lazy[09:23:15] <stargater> ok flicking is not good[09:23:28] <_konrad> Me and Procton designed thats completely flickering free (without using Dbl buffering)[09:23:44] <Kokito> _konrad: there was also a guy who did some mockups recently[09:23:57] <_konrad> Its easy, if you just draw every pixel once =)[09:24:04] <AlienSoldier> _konrad as long as it's transparent to the dev i'm ok with any efficient solution[09:24:12] <stargater> why without Dbl?[09:24:13] <Kokito> _konrad: you can find links to the mockups here > http://haiku-os.org/community/forum/haiku_gui_just_mucking_around[09:24:14] <_konrad> Kokito oh, any shots? links?[09:24:47] <_konrad> stargater yes, it can be done with just drawing every pixel once and then use a smart update/invalidatation[09:25:17] <_konrad> Kokito wow[09:25:18] <_konrad> Nice[09:25:22] <_konrad> Very nice indeed[09:26:03] <_konrad> That with haiku icons and Iam here to stay[09:26:34] <Kokito> I thought this one was interesting > http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=haikublackma7.png[09:26:35] <_konrad> I like the "disk layout"[09:26:42] <AlienSoldier> i don't think too much time should be put in eye candy race, put a minimum to it to keep it fresh and usable then put emphasis on app like cortex at large for the OS, natural languae search and better use of beos suite[09:26:51] <_konrad> http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=haikuexcc1.png[09:26:59] *** BuildFactory has joined #haiku[09:28:58] <AlienSoldier> not to meantion my forever argument that UI should be lot more dark to manage batterie better[09:29:09] <_konrad> Yes[09:29:20] <_konrad> AlienSoldier there is a bug in Haiku now that let you use black menus[09:29:21] <AlienSoldier> VT terminal color scheme forever! :P[09:29:26] <_konrad> But it wont change the label[09:29:47] <_konrad> AlienSoldier I hope they add that support which should be *very* easy[09:30:31] <Kokito> it's late here, and the old man needs to get some sleep now[09:30:35] <Kokito> see you folks[09:30:36] <AlienSoldier> i'm not for theme but color change is not breaking concitency (depend if many stuff is color coded functionaly)[09:30:45] <_konrad> Kokito nice talking to you[09:30:47] <AlienSoldier> bye Kokito[09:30:49] <_konrad> good night[09:30:52] <Kokito> ciao![09:31:03] *** Kokito has left #haiku[09:32:04] <AlienSoldier> i mde my fall adjustment (getting to bed at 21h). So i wake up at 1 am, i have all the night to play :P[09:32:19] <_konrad> AlienSoldier what do you play?[09:32:53] <Hugen_> _konrad: I have see this gui in Haiku ;)[09:33:08] <AlienSoldier> all kind of activity but none involving a hotties :([09:33:19] <_konrad> Hehe[09:33:26] <_konrad> I thoght you played games[09:33:55] <AlienSoldier> plus, my back is automagically fixed, it's like seeing stephen haking running in a weat feild[09:34:03] <Hugen_> heh and Kokito gui too[09:34:34] <stargater> the first gnome mockup is nice[09:34:38] <AlienSoldier> ho i might play some games, i still want to finish pooyan (damn level 7)[09:34:51][09:35:02] <AlienSoldier> old 1982 konami game[09:35:10] <_konrad> oh[09:35:22] <_konrad> Iam getting Assassins Creed next week =)[09:35:41] <_konrad> But old games are fun to[09:35:41] <AlienSoldier> i might do a gba shovelware fest, i like to try lot of bad game[09:35:59] <_konrad> Well gotta go[09:36:04] <_konrad> Take care folks[09:36:06] <_konrad> bye[09:36:14] *** _konrad has quit IRC[09:36:31] <AlienSoldier> _konrad they should have included Jade Raymond nude callander with the game to spur sales :)[09:43:12] <stargater> the GUI is not simple to make good and clear[09:48:13] <AlienSoldier> anyone was ablle to build this for R5_BONE? i was able to with using a lib from haiku but it's not stable that way (Modeen say it work in zeta)[09:48:14] <AlienSoldier> http://www.modeen.se/Transmission/Transmission_0.82.zip[09:48:42] <AlienSoldier> not a lib, a header i meant[09:48:43] *** JBurton has joined #haiku[09:48:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o JBurton[09:48:47] <JBurton> hi all[09:49:07] <AlienSoldier> hi Bburton :)[10:03:55] <stargater> hi JBurton[10:10:37] <Cube-ness> hm[10:10:49] <Hugen_> ?[10:19:27] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[10:20:12] *** nils_t has quit IRC[10:25:15] *** stargater has quit IRC[10:36:33] *** Hugen_ has quit IRC[10:47:12] *** MangoFusion has joined #haiku[11:08:20] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[11:10:47] <pyCube> i am not looking forward to tomorrow..er, later today[11:15:28] <MangoFusion> :([11:15:41] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[11:40:48] *** Darknesss has joined #haiku[11:48:11] *** JBurton has quit IRC[12:12:08] *** MangoFusion has quit IRC[12:12:23] *** MangoFusion has joined #haiku[12:21:52] *** Ketsuban has quit IRC[12:25:33] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[12:27:15] *** MangoFusion has quit IRC[12:37:13] *** stippi has joined #haiku[12:37:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[12:55:37] <ddew|bofh> g'afternoon[13:15:57] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[13:23:03] *** TuneTracker has quit IRC[13:29:40] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[13:38:26] <ddew|bofh> yay![13:38:39] <ddew|bofh> finally got my tickets for the John Hiatt gig :D[13:55:09] *** TuneTracker has joined #Haiku[14:00:59] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[14:03:25] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[14:27:39] *** BuildFactory has quit IRC[14:30:46] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[14:45:34] *** stippi has quit IRC[14:47:33] *** meisje has joined #haiku[14:48:15] *** stippi has joined #haiku[14:48:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[15:00:27] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[15:00:37] <mmu_man> plop[15:00:46] * DeadYak plops[15:00:47] <mmu_man> anyone interested in helping with the m68k port ? :D[15:02:10] <mmu_man> if anyone wants to have a look at missing math stuff in libroot...[15:05:29] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[15:17:51] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[15:27:00] <DeadYak> mmu_man: if I knew anything about m68k....[15:33:38] *** katisu has joined #haiku[15:34:35] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[15:34:50] *** katisu is now known as [Katisu][15:38:09] <mmu_man> DeadYak: it's omstly about sorting out the mess from glibc[15:41:13] <DeadYak> mmu_man: ouch[15:41:33] <DeadYak> the last time I looked at glibc it made my brain hurt :)[15:43:34] *** franxico has joined #haiku[15:46:54] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[15:47:46] <mmu_man> :)[15:48:56] <Begasus> plop[15:50:28] <TuneTracker> What is it about m68k that is especially useful?[15:54:10] *** MangoFusion has joined #haiku[15:54:17] <franxico> TuneTracker that's a very old CPU[15:54:20] <franxico> motorola[15:54:58] <TuneTracker> franxico Not sure what the value is of emulating it[15:55:01] <franxico> that came with Macintoch and Amiga[15:55:14] *** helf has joined #haiku[15:55:18] <TuneTracker> Yes, I remember, I had an Amiga 500 :-)[15:55:29] <TuneTracker> Still do, actually.[15:55:31] <helf> hi[15:55:39] <TuneTracker> hi helf[15:55:42] <franxico> i think that's the way mmu_man found to have some fun ;)[15:55:51] <helf> hey TuneTracker ! havent seen you in awhile :)[15:55:58] <TuneTracker> helf indeed...how've you been?[15:56:13] <helf> Pretty good, you? hows the business going?[15:56:18] <franxico> TuneTracker do you still use it?[15:56:21] <TuneTracker> helf Good, fairly consistent.[15:56:30] <franxico> to hold a table maybe? hehe[15:56:30] <TuneTracker> franxico no not really, mostly there for sentimental reasons[15:56:34] <helf> Good :)[15:57:30] <TuneTracker> helf Been selling to some interesting places... the Voice of America, a station in Afghanistan, American Airlines, a resort in Florida...every day is unique[16:00:42] <helf> oh wow[16:01:42] <helf> I wonder what AA needs that for[16:02:15] <TuneTracker> helf Broadcasting internally to staff[16:02:24] <TuneTracker> corporate broadcasting[16:02:30] <helf> oh[16:02:37] <TuneTracker> announcements, music, etc[16:02:43] <TuneTracker> training, probably[16:02:46] <helf> ah, ok[16:02:48] <TuneTracker> lots of uses for corporate broadcasting[16:06:00] <TuneTracker> helf What have you been up to?[16:06:01] <helf> Is it just you working on it ?[16:06:13] <TuneTracker> helf No, I don't program at all. I have others who do the programming.[16:06:20] <helf> TuneTracker : wrecking cars, procrstinating on going to college... the usual :)[16:06:24] <helf> oh ok[16:07:14] <TuneTracker> helf What would you like to do in college when you get there?[16:07:23] <TuneTracker> Please don't say, "wreck more cars." :-)[16:08:22] <helf> heh[16:08:52] <helf> I'm not sure. That's probably part of the problem. I don't know WHAT I want to do... 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WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[17:33:57] *** HeToN800 has joined #haiku[17:36:39] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[17:38:46] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[17:45:43] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[17:55:06] *** franxico has joined #haiku[17:59:19] *** Ketsuban has joined #haiku[17:59:31] *** mats has joined #haiku[18:02:07] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[18:06:11] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[18:06:55] <Kokito> good morning folks[18:07:09] <mmu_man> plop[18:07:22] <Kokito> bonjour mmu_man :)[18:09:45] <stippi> hi koki[18:12:09] <Kokito> hey stippi![18:12:20] *** Oscypek has joined #haiku[18:12:43] <Oscypek> hi all![18:13:00] <stippi> hi Oscypek[18:13:29] <Lelldorin1> hi[18:16:48] <Oscypek> i would run haiku with virtualbox. is it possibly?[18:17:02] <Lelldorin1> try it[18:17:05] <Lelldorin1> ^^[18:17:31] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[18:17:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[18:17:52] <Lelldorin1> http://haiku-os.org/community/forum/how_to_get_haiku_running_in_virtualbox[18:18:22] *** franxico has quit IRC[18:21:26] <Oscypek> hm, it's so hard :)[18:23:00] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[18:26:32] <mmu_man> re[18:26:46] <mmu_man> so, noone up to libroot m68k ? :D[18:26:58] <helf> heh[18:27:21] <helf> mmu_man : I think you are gonna have to single handedly port haiku to 68k :P[18:27:44] <mmu_man> seems so :)[18:28:18] *** TuneTracker has quit IRC[18:29:43] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[18:36:11] *** Ingenu_ has joined #Haiku[18:45:39] <Oscypek> so i'm going use qemu[18:46:10] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[18:49:14] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[18:50:33] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[18:51:04] *** Styrbjorn has joined #haiku[18:53:11] *** [1]Ingenu has joined #Haiku[18:54:09] *** mats has quit IRC[18:55:53] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[18:55:54] *** [1]Ingenu is now known as Ingenu[18:58:02] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[18:59:52] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[19:04:08] *** SiCuTDeUx_ has joined #haiku[19:08:19] *** Ingenu_ has quit IRC[19:08:33] *** flyinghippo has quit 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dev/commit lists, I'm pretty sure those send you a confirmation[19:43:24] <DeadYak> let me check my mail archive..[19:44:08] <noph> i'm talking about the general mailing list for haiku as well as the development list[19:44:28] <DeadYak> can't find them right now, I'm positive I got a welcome message though[19:44:30] <DeadYak> I may have nuked those[19:44:34] *** Styrbjorn has quit IRC[19:44:38] <noph> hmm[19:44:50] *** alpha-lion has quit IRC[19:45:03] <noph> ill give it an hour or so and see if there shows up a email.[19:45:15] <DeadYak> yeah, it can take a while sometimes :)[19:45:21] <noph> ;)[19:45:36] *** Styrbjorn has joined #haiku[19:54:27] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[19:54:30] <mmu_man> re[19:56:29] *** Thom_Holwerda has joined #haiku[19:56:46] <Thom_Holwerda> damn, i bought an sdram stick, only to realise it might be broken, as it didnt work[19:57:00] <Thom_Holwerda> turns out i had to force a cas latency of 3 in the bios[19:57:04] <Thom_Holwerda> phew.[19:57:07] * Thom_Holwerda waves, btw.[19:57:27] * Thom_Holwerda cheers for all-access, non-restricted BIOS[19:57:43] *** genkie has joined #haiku[20:07:15] *** Robert___ has joined #haiku[20:08:23] *** Robert___ is now known as Guma[20:10:15] *** Guma has left #haiku[20:15:21] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[20:20:26] *** AndrevS has joined #haiku[20:20:37] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[20:26:03] *** urnenfeld has quit IRC[20:32:27] *** oco has joined #haiku[20:32:38] <mmu_man> plop[20:35:38] *** Robert___ has joined #haiku[20:36:09] *** Robert___ has left #haiku[20:37:45] *** Guma has joined #haiku[20:39:30] *** cps1966 has joined #haiku[20:39:33] *** SprMa has quit IRC[20:40:50] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[20:41:47] <cps1966> AlienSoldier: you about[20:44:15] *** Guma has quit IRC[20:44:29] *** Guma has joined #haiku[20:45:18] *** Ingenu_ has joined #Haiku[20:52:18] *** Begasus has quit IRC[20:53:18] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[20:59:51] *** MangoFusion has quit IRC[21:00:18] *** Ingenu has 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Pages and pages of it if you want.[22:57:22] <DaaT> been slow, news wise[22:57:23] <TuneTracker> DaaT I've been posting a few things over at the new lebuzz page.[22:57:26] <DaaT> ah cool[22:57:35] <TuneTracker> Just commentaries, no real news per se.[22:57:55] <DaaT> i saw the michael post[22:58:28] *** stippi has quit IRC[22:59:14] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[22:59:45] <TuneTracker> DaaT Two more added since then[23:00:22] <DaaT> reading[23:00:33] <DaaT> the title to the latest post reminds me of a song[23:00:36] <DaaT> by Nada Surf[23:00:45] <DaaT> "the teenage guide to popularity"[23:00:58] <DaaT> that's a line of the song, i think the title is "Popular"[23:02:26] <TuneTracker> :-)[23:04:28] *** Guma_ has joined #haiku[23:05:02] *** Guma has quit IRC[23:06:03] *** flyinghippo|AWAY has joined #haiku[23:09:58] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[23:14:14] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[23:14:25] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[23:14:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[23:15:51] *** frodobeg has joined #haiku[23:17:05] * DaaT borks mmu_man[23:17:10] <mmu_man> re[23:17:22] <DaaT> downloaded "a dog's breakfast"?[23:17:47] <mmu_man> not yet[23:17:51] <DaaT> tsk tsk[23:17:52] <DaaT> :P[23:17:58] <mmu_man> I'm in linux most of the time atm[23:18:09] <mmu_man> faster when using cross tools[23:20:51] <mmu_man> damn, I tried mounting the linux box via nfs to work from zeta but it's so slow :-([23:21:25] *** geist_ has joined #haiku[23:21:34] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[23:21:38] <TuneTracker> JonathanThompson May have another little "translation" thingy for you :-)[23:22:25] *** alpha-li1n is now known as alpha-lion[23:26:38] *** MangoFusion has quit IRC[23:27:49] *** MangoFusion has joined #haiku[23:28:29] *** geist has quit IRC[23:30:29] *** Guma_ has quit IRC[23:31:36] *** DaaT has quit IRC[23:35:12] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[23:35:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[23:36:21] *** helf_ has joined #haiku[23:36:33] <helf_> hey, my laptop is still connected. kewl[23:37:14] *** CIA-38 has quit IRC[23:37:25] *** CIA-38 has joined #haiku[23:38:58] <pyCube> helf_: shitty phone cam pic.. http://pycube.homelinux.org:8081/muh_car.jpg[23:39:13] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[23:39:36] <helf_> awesome :D[23:39:48] <helf_> heres my soon to be rabbit, cube[23:39:49] <helf_> http://helf.freeshell.org/white_rabbit.JPG[23:40:09] <pyCube> sweet! hehe.. diesel?[23:40:14] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[23:40:15] <helf_> yeah :D[23:40:20] <pyCube> bitchin'[23:40:23] <helf_> AND it is a 1 owner![23:40:33] <helf_> doesnt even have cracks on the dashboard or anything. 1981 model[23:40:33] <pyCube> you goin' grease with it?[23:40:36] <helf_> i might[23:40:40] <pyCube> do it[23:40:54] <helf_> probably be next year. i had to get something before my van engines goes kaput and i stumbled acorss this[23:41:18] <helf_> i almost wasnt able to get it. the guy contacted me like 2 weeks after my inquiery about it and said i could haev ti for 1k.. :)[23:41:31] <pyCube> nice[23:41:49] <helf_> yeah :) it was fix my van that gets 17mpg for 1k or buy a car thats in better shape and gets 40+ mpg for 1k... ;)[23:42:22] *** wildur has quit IRC[23:43:58] <helf_> have you done any upgrades to your 914? besides removing that limited on the accelerator[23:44:15] <pyCube> no[23:44:19] <pyCube> i havent anyways[23:44:38] <pyCube> the previous owner put on a non-stock exhaust[23:45:47] <helf_> oh ok[23:48:04] <cps1966> tubular headers by chance[23:50:18] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[23:50:34] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[23:51:22] <pyCube> http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/images/exhaust/914_monza_pic1.JPG[23:51:29] <pyCube> instead of the stock rig[23:52:12] <cps1966> look tubular to me[23:52:17] <pyCube> headers are non-stock too..[23:52:20] <pyCube> not sure the specifics[23:52:43] *** cyberix has joined #haiku[23:52:50] <cps1966> 15-30 % hp gain[23:53:34] <pyCube> yeah.. i dont have any actual proof, but my car certainly seems to perform a lot better than a stock 2.0L 914 should[23:53:35] *** cyberix has left #haiku[23:55:58] <pyCube> i really really want to get rid on my steel wheels and get some proper Fuchs[23:56:18] *** SiCuTDeUx_ has joined #haiku[23:56:34] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[23:56:39] <cps1966> centerline makes nice wheels[23:56:55] <TuneTracker> JonathanThompson Bonkity bonk... :-)[23:57:52] <helf_> cube, my rabbit doesnt have a turbo.. heh.. SLOOOW :P[23:58:32] <helf_> gonna be weird driving it. im used to shifting my rx-7 around 6k rpms... the rabbit will need to shift around 3-4k..[23:58:55] <pyCube> cps1966: here is the 4 lug variant on the classic porsche fuchs wheel.. http://members.rennlist.com/mueller/fuch1.jpg[23:59:30] <pyCube> i love the 5 lug version.. but I dont want to go through all the crap required to convert a 914 for 5 lug[23:59:33] <helf_> cube ,the rabbit is black on white :) looks nice. interior is almost completely black and most of the trim + the wheels.[23:59:40] <cps1966> links not working