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[00:39:29] <pyCube_> thanks to whoever made screen
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[00:48:34] <mmu_man> oh my
[00:48:41] <mmu_man> ppc mmu is crap
[00:49:00] <mmu_man> hash table ...
[00:49:05] <mmu_man> segments
[00:49:18] <mmu_man> and different layouts depending on cpu :^)
[00:49:43] <mmu_man> at least m68k is simpler
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[04:02:20] * JonathanThompson tumbles into the channel
[04:03:14] <Ketsuban> We have stairs, you know.
[04:03:29] <JonathanThompson> And that stops me from tumbling in how? :)
[04:03:48] <Ketsuban> It doesn't, but I'm gently chiding your clumsiness in falling down them. =P
[04:04:15] <JonathanThompson> Well, it's been one of those days, so why not tumble down stairs into the channel? :)
[04:04:16] * umccullough installs a child gate at the top of the stairs
[04:04:36] <umccullough> that should fix it :)
[04:04:43] <JonathanThompson> Those caused me nothing but trouble, and never did seem to improve safety, umccullough.
[04:04:58] <Ketsuban> Those are fun.
[04:05:41] <JonathanThompson> I have been contemplating getting a Mac Mini recently...
[04:05:57] <umccullough> what's the hold up?
[04:06:06] <umccullough> PPC or x86?
[04:06:32] <JonathanThompson> So, I had planned on getting my Saturday tacos, beans and rice for breakfast in Redmond at the market (last one this season) stopping by the Saturn dealership to get the oil changed and check the brakes, and then stopping by the Apple store in the mall.
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[04:06:47] <JonathanThompson> x86, umccullough, if you're referring to me.
[04:07:05] <umccullough> JonathanThompson, yes, wasn't sure if you were looking at used models ;)
[04:07:17] <JonathanThompson> The visit to Saturn wasn't scheduled ahead of time, so I had to wait for a slot to open.
[04:07:58] * umccullough imagines JonathanThompson parked, waiting on one of the rings
[04:07:59] <JonathanThompson> It wasn't a question of the oil, I was sure I needed at least pads, and I'd noticed something else recently about how my car has been acting that had me concerned.
[04:08:27] <JonathanThompson> Well, the brakes definitely needed work, a bit of change there.  But, the other niggling thing was far worse.
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[04:08:45] <JonathanThompson> It seems my transmission decided to start leaking at a seal between the transaxle and engine.
[04:08:57] <umccullough> fun stuff there...
[04:09:05] <JonathanThompson> Thus, a repair/maintenance bill easily as much as a new loaded Mac Mini.
[04:09:15] <JonathanThompson> So much for THAT paycheck.
[04:10:04] <JonathanThompson> So, I end up looking up the bus routes/schedules using one of their computers, and taking the bus from there to downtown Bellevue, walking to the mall, and getting in the store.
[04:10:46] <JonathanThompson> I decided to try my luck with an Apple-associated credit card offer, thinking perhaps I need to be paranoid for now until I know if I'm going to be looking for work next month or not.
[04:11:22] <JonathanThompson> I get back the computer response "Need to take more time with the issuing bank to determine" so no chance of walking out with a box today.
[04:11:48] <JonathanThompson> The store was madness, though.
[04:12:20] <JonathanThompson> I didn't know Apple had that many employees available for such a small store to be in action at once, but they all had their hands full.
[04:12:51] <JonathanThompson> There were a minimum of 100 customers (potential or real) in there at once, and apparently it had died down from earlier today.
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[04:22:16] <pyCube_> hmm.. just used sed explicitly for the first time.. heh
[04:22:38] * JonathanThompson notes that at least that's what pyCube_ sed into the channel
[04:22:55] <geist> JonathanThompson: you sed it
[04:23:15] <pyCube_> awk ummon..
[04:23:16] <JonathanThompson> I say what must be sed, geist, though it might ruffle a few feathers :)
[04:23:47] <cps1966> is that shit editer
[04:24:03] <JonathanThompson> If all Apple stores right now are as busy or comparably so to what I saw today, geist, I can imagine Apple's stock visibly going up :P
[04:24:50] <cps1966> all apple needs is a good gaming system
[04:25:28] <JonathanThompson> Who knows? Perhaps within the next year, they'll have a Mac Mini form factor machine that has decent graphics hardware that does just that :)
[04:26:18] <JonathanThompson> Though with today's typical GPU's, that thing would need a heck of a cooling fan for that factor: perhaps that won't happen as a result.
[04:26:25] <cps1966> but they need a base system faster than bsd
[04:27:05] <JonathanThompson> I'd verify how fast/responsive Leopard is first before making such statements that (to me) sound dubious to make.
[04:28:52] <cps1966> from what i've heard ubuntu is 30% faster on same hardware
[04:29:16] <JonathanThompson> Define "30% faster" more than just saying "It's faster" on the same hardware.
[04:29:36] <JonathanThompson> And is that comparing against Leopard?
[04:29:51] <cps1966> yes
[04:30:17] <JonathanThompson> Besides, there's other things besides pure speed that make a difference, such as the scheduler and what it's optimized for.
[04:30:29] <JonathanThompson> A server OS != a great game OS.
[04:30:37] <JonathanThompson> Not without scheduler hacks, at least.
[04:30:37] <pyCube_> so my kids are sitting out in the livingroom drawing.. somehow they got started on some weird chant of jibberish.. been going on for like 10 minutes solid.. my wife just popped in and accused me of making my kids weird
[04:31:00] <JonathanThompson> pyCube_, kids don't need an outside influence to be weird :)
[04:31:44] <pyCube_> i think they are playing with that cool harmonic thing that happens when you have 3 people chanting at nearly the same note/freq
[04:32:22] <pyCube_> ..thats what i find interesting about it anyway
[04:32:25] <pyCube_> hehe
[04:33:06] <pyCube_> hehe..
[04:33:11] * JonathanThompson ponders what the chances are that certain religious practices/meditations got started by kids doing experiments and liking the results, and not being afraid of what grownups would say
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[04:33:34] <pyCube_> now its morphed into a rendeition of allouette, but with all the lyrics as blah
[04:33:49] <cps1966> hell most of parents dont even pay attention
[04:34:10] <pyCube_> "blah, bla blah blahh.."
[04:34:42] <cps1966> get them to do black shepp
[04:34:49] <cps1966> sheep
[04:35:02] <cps1966> src that is
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[04:36:36] <geist> who is it that always does the +++ before leaving?
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[04:39:45] <JonathanThompson> PulkoMandy
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[04:42:01] <cps1966> pyCube_:  ever use exmap
[04:42:13] <pyCube_> no
[04:43:29] <cps1966> good for devel finding how memory is being used
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[04:45:54] <helf> hi
[04:50:54] <umccullough> geist, PulkoMandy
[04:51:09] <umccullough> oh...duh
[04:51:14] <umccullough> JonathanThompson already got it :P
[04:51:20] <geist> ah yeah
[04:51:54] * helf has discovered the joys of reading wikipedia netry talkbacks
[04:52:11] <umccullough> geist, i swapped the PSU on that dual athlon the other day... it uses 10W less power now :)
[04:52:24] <umccullough> and generates less heat
[04:52:35] <geist> excellent
[04:52:47] <geist> I would assume that newer PSUs are more efficient
[04:53:25] <geist> or bigger ones, maybe. perhaps their efficiency is not linear across their load range
[04:53:58] <umccullough> it was a 300W and i replaced with an Antec 350W
[04:54:17] <cps1966> antec true power is what i have
[04:54:22] <umccullough> it was a freebie at Frys after rebate :)
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[04:54:53] <umccullough> which means i paid sales tax :P
[04:55:02] <ddew|bofh> g'evening
[04:55:11] <umccullough> hi ddew|bofh
[04:55:40] <helf> hi ddew|bofh
[04:56:06] <umccullough> ddew|bofh, we could sure use your help on mj12 ;)
[04:57:20] <ddew|bofh> sadly my bandwidth isn't as plentiful as it once was. got a bunch of servers on my line now
[04:57:23] <ddew|bofh> :)
[04:57:31] <umccullough> ah well...
[04:57:46] <umccullough> I've been having lots of fun with Dimes
[04:57:53] <ddew|bofh> running a bunch of server, one of which is a voip
[04:57:58] <umccullough> i have almost 100 vms running Dimes now
[04:58:13] <ddew|bofh> dimes i might look into, it uses the boinc clien right?
[04:58:17] <umccullough> no
[04:58:19] <umccullough> java app
[04:58:28] <ddew|bofh> oh right, that one
[04:58:35] <umccullough> i'm hitting 3rd in daily rate now
[04:58:41] <ddew|bofh> cool
[04:58:42] <umccullough> behind the damn russians!
[04:59:51] <ddew|bofh> heh
[04:59:56] <umccullough> http://stats.free-dc.org/new/allusers.php?proj=dimes&orderby=d0&direction=DESC
[05:00:04] * umccullough wonders if they are using botnets
[05:01:02] <ddew|bofh> doesn't look like the dimes client like leopard :/
[05:01:36] <umccullough> probably not
[05:01:46] <umccullough> but most of my dimes runs on NT4 virtual machines now anyway
[05:02:05] <ddew|bofh> heh, talk about a computng flashback seeing the latest commit messages :)
[05:02:14] <umccullough> m68k?
[05:02:19] <ddew|bofh> seeing both atari and amiga on the same page
[05:02:23] <umccullough> heh
[05:03:32] <ddew|bofh> only thing that gets me thinking is that i thought haiku required a math coprocessor
[05:03:49] <umccullough> geist, you should bust out the NeXT and help mmu_man with the m68k port ;)
[05:04:04] <ddew|bofh> or was it mmu?
[05:04:21] * ddew|bofh has memory issues, random bit-errors :P
[05:09:12] * ddew|bofh ponders
[05:09:46] <ddew|bofh> wonder if there's a way to get a mac while at the same time avoiding the damn annoying fanboys and stigmas associated with it
[05:10:27] <umccullough> well, you could just buy one and then avoid the fanboys...
[05:10:44] <ddew|bofh> i can't hack life unplugged from the nets :)
[05:11:10] <umccullough> install linux on it
[05:12:02] <ddew|bofh> god no, i despise linux
[05:12:23] <ddew|bofh> well not linux per say, but it's entourage of GNU crap
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[05:25:00] <helf> someone say NeXT...? :)
[05:28:41] <ddew|bofh> hehe
[05:29:23] <ddew|bofh> just seeing all the m68k commits to SVN and noting how awesome it'd be to have a next-port of haiku :P
[05:29:32] <helf> :P
[05:29:41] <DeadYak> there're 030/040-based next boxes presumably?
[05:29:42] <helf> I'd lend a NeXT for dev work :)
[05:29:50] <helf> they only used 030/040s
[05:29:56] <DeadYak> ah
[05:30:04] <helf> the orignal cubes were 030s, most slabs are 040s.
[05:30:14] <helf> iirc
[05:30:45] <helf> i think netbsd has been ported to NeXT. so they could use that for help in a haiku port, i guess.
[05:34:02] <DocPheniX> i have a ppc imac that i'd love to run haiku on
[05:34:10] <ddew|bofh> so do i
[05:34:24] <ddew|bofh> an oldish g3/300 with 256mb ram
[05:34:31] <helf> I have a g4 i'd like to run it on
[05:34:32] <DocPheniX> tri boot it with debian and ReactOS ppc
[05:34:56] <DocPheniX> mines a 333mhz g3 with 196ish mb of ram
[05:35:01] <DocPheniX> an orange one
[05:35:16] <ddew|bofh> same as mine then, the tangerine :)
[05:35:26] <helf> mines an 866 ( i think) with 768mb ram
[05:35:28] <ddew|bofh> love the name
[05:35:29] <DocPheniX> i wanna spraypaint it flat black with the hightemp paint that you use for grills
[05:35:30] <DocPheniX> :P
[05:35:44] <DocPheniX> <3 that stuff
[05:35:53] <DocPheniX> my main desktop is sprayed with it
[05:35:54] <DocPheniX> :P
[05:36:00] * ddew|bofh is a Led Zep fan and thus love the name Tangerine unconditionally :P
[05:36:10] <DocPheniX> aye
[05:36:11] <helf> heh
[05:36:25] <DocPheniX> im partial to no quarter and gallows pole myself
[05:36:26] <helf> I love all my NeXT hardware.. jet black:)
[05:36:31] <DocPheniX> yeah
[05:36:41] <ddew|bofh> i like the paintjob on my Chieftec case, a good, deep black
[05:36:43] <DocPheniX> NeXT hardware is sexeh
[05:37:04] <DocPheniX> i've been looking for an old cube shell for ages
[05:37:11] * DocPheniX has a hardware mod idea
[05:37:12] <DocPheniX> :P
[05:37:17] <helf> they pop up on ebay periodically
[05:37:25] <helf> also, i shall kill you if you hack up a cube :P
[05:37:30] <DocPheniX> yeah last one i saw was batterd to hell
[05:37:45] <helf> i had a cube :)
[05:37:46] <DocPheniX> helf: ill be running openstep x86 on it
[05:37:55] <DocPheniX> :P
[05:37:58] <helf> oh
[05:37:59] <helf> well..
[05:38:02] <helf> i guess thats ok ;)
[05:38:14] <helf> openstep 4.2:) ill be putting that on my turbo pretty soon
[05:38:22] <ddew|bofh> getting openstep to run on newer hardware is a total pita
[05:38:33] <DocPheniX> not really
[05:38:38] <helf> dependso n the hardware
[05:38:43] <DocPheniX> runs on my athlon 2000 plus just fine
[05:38:54] <DocPheniX> with a geforce 4 vidcard
[05:38:55] <ddew|bofh> i gujess my hw is too recent for it
[05:38:58] * DocPheniX shrugs
[05:39:07] <helf> i had it running on a 1.4ghz tualatin pc
[05:39:20] <DocPheniX> it runs NICE on p2 dual boards
[05:39:28] <helf> didnt like the ide controller, just stuck a scsi card in it that it supported and away i went :)
[05:39:39] <helf> openstep doesnt support more than one processor..
[05:39:51] * DocPheniX has a dual 450mhz that it runs slick on
[05:39:58] <DocPheniX> but it only uses one proc
[05:39:59] <helf> SMP kernels were never released afaik
[05:40:00] <DocPheniX> etc
[05:40:01] <DocPheniX> :P
[05:40:03] <helf> yeah
[05:40:04] <helf> sucks
[05:40:11] <DocPheniX> hack it
[05:40:13] <DocPheniX> lol
[05:40:14] <helf> ha
[05:40:31] <helf> I wish they had supported SMP... my ss20 would run that nicely
[05:40:35] <helf> dual supersparc 75s
[05:40:36] * DocPheniX wants a GNU/mach system
[05:40:54] <DocPheniX> man that would be soooo nice
[05:41:03] <ddew|bofh> well i do have an old p4 i could give it a try on, might be a fun experiment :)
[05:41:14] <helf> openstep?
[05:41:31] <helf> I dunno, I only run its on black hardware... never really felt the urge to run it on anything else..
[05:41:36] <helf> doesnt seem *right* ;)
[05:41:43] <DocPheniX> bah
[05:41:48] <DocPheniX> your too purist
[05:41:49] <helf> :P
[05:41:50] <DocPheniX> lol
[05:41:59] <ddew|bofh> it's a fun little thing to do :)
[05:42:02] <helf> I wanna gecko machine
[05:42:07] <DocPheniX> i have it running in virtualbox on this machine
[05:42:08] <DocPheniX> :P
[05:42:11] <ddew|bofh> i love messing around with legacy oses
[05:42:18] <helf> yeah, im an OS whore
[05:42:46] <helf> well, i just never liked running it on x86 since other OSes could give me the same gui and run more programs :P
[05:42:48] <ddew|bofh> i can produly say that there are very few oses i haven't played around with
[05:43:06] <helf> on a HPPA or sparc machine.. yeah, i guess i'd run it :)
[05:43:20] <helf> ddew|bofh , yeah, i've messed with a craploud.
[05:43:25] <helf> *crap load
[05:43:43] <ddew|bofh> getting openstep to work on a newer machine kinda took the backseat when osx was released for x86
[05:43:56] <helf> i had 10.4.7 running on my old p4
[05:44:06] <helf> it was too flaky on that machine
[05:44:07] <ddew|bofh> i'm running leopard here
[05:44:09] <DocPheniX> i wonder if OpenStep would run on my via itx mobo o0
[05:44:14] <helf> I love the OS though
[05:44:33] <helf> I'm pretty sure OPENSTEP is the OS and OpenStep is the API
[05:44:34] <helf> :]
[05:44:38] <ddew|bofh> i was indifferent to tiger but leopard might make me go back to macs
[05:44:46] <helf> NeXTs naming scheme sucked donkey balls
[05:44:49] <ddew|bofh> spelling nazi :P
[05:44:56] <helf> hehe
[05:45:16] <helf> i usually just avoid spelling it out and do NS3.3 and OS4.2 (the most common installs people use)
[05:45:19] <helf> :P
[05:45:35] <ddew|bofh> hehe
[05:45:59] <ddew|bofh> if i can get hold of an old sun monitor i might give it a try on one of my sparcstations
[05:46:00] <helf> I can't decide if I REALLY wanna load OS4.2 on my turbo, though. It apparently runs a bit slower than NS3.3 does
[05:46:09] <DocPheniX> heh
[05:46:12] <helf> just go buy a 13w3 to vga adapter
[05:46:19] <helf> that's what I use on my ss20
[05:46:47] <helf> I'm using one on my turbo color too
[05:46:52] <ddew|bofh> doesn't that require SoG or is that just SGI?
[05:47:06] <helf> unfortunately, the only CRT I have that works with sync on green is my almost dead trinitron..
[05:47:17] <helf> hm.. it might
[05:47:32] <helf> i dont remember. i just remembered that ive only ever plugged my ss20 up to my tronitron..
[05:47:33] <helf> lol...
[05:47:38] <helf> *trinitron
[05:47:53] <ddew|bofh> i have an old(ish) 22" dell monitor with trinitron tube. runs both my pc and my sgi just fine :)
[05:48:07] <helf> i love trinitrons
[05:48:07] <ddew|bofh> got two inputs
[05:48:26] <ddew|bofh> although it was a total bitch soldering the 13w3 cable
[05:48:27] <helf> I had a 22inch trinitron that died :(
[05:48:32] <helf> I loved that thing
[05:48:43] <helf> could have used it to anchor the titanic, though
[05:48:53] <ddew|bofh> yeah, they're pretty massive
[05:49:09] * DocPheniX uses a gateway 21" moni with a trinitron tube
[05:49:18] <helf> moving it around my room was good exercise :P
[05:49:20] <ddew|bofh> once it's in place you're not moving it unil you move from the apartment :P
[05:49:40] <helf> heh
[05:49:47] <DocPheniX> it just uses so much power
[05:49:49] <DocPheniX> ugh
[05:49:52] <helf> yeah
[05:49:55] <DocPheniX> i want a 22" lcd
[05:50:02] <DocPheniX> half the power
[05:50:06] <DocPheniX> if not more
[05:50:19] <helf> i almost bought a 19" lcd that is confirmed to work with SoG and the NeXTs funky resolution/freq
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[05:50:26] <ddew|bofh> but it's also got half the resolution
[05:50:36] <helf> thank god I didnt, the seller for this diesel rabbit i wanted gave me a second chance offer.. woo! :)
[05:50:49] <ddew|bofh> that's pretty much the only reason i'm staying with crt for the time being
[05:50:58] <helf> thats what i love about black NeXT hardware.. you are stuck with ONE resolution ^_^
[05:51:03] <DocPheniX> i only run at 1280*1024 so res isnt that big of deal honestly
[05:51:14] <ddew|bofh> i'm running 1800x1440
[05:51:39] <DocPheniX> i also sit a good 4 feet away from my monitor tho
[05:51:40] <DocPheniX> lol
[05:51:57] <helf> heh
[05:52:09] <DocPheniX> i got the lowrider desk
[05:52:15] <DocPheniX> aka my chair is broken
[05:52:16] <DocPheniX> lol
[05:52:31] <helf> my NeXTs run at 1120x832
[05:52:42] <DocPheniX> thats not a bad res at all
[05:52:44] <helf> at, i think, 72hz
[05:52:46] <helf> nope
[05:52:51] <helf> full sheet of paper
[05:52:52] <helf> :)
[05:52:58] <helf> (thats why it runs at that res)
[05:53:06] <DocPheniX> :P
[05:53:07] <helf> not bad at all for a workstation made in 1991
[05:53:14] <helf> the cubes ran at that in 1988
[05:53:15] <DocPheniX> no doubt
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[05:53:30] <DocPheniX> next machines were soooo ahead of their time
[05:53:42] <DocPheniX> i wish i could have used them more when i was growing up
[05:53:43] <helf> I talk about NeXTs too much.. :P
[05:53:44] <ddew|bofh> my sgi is hard-wired at 1280x1024
[05:53:53] <helf> yeah, i love mine
[05:53:53] <helf> ddew|bofh  nice
[05:53:56] <DocPheniX> i would love to have an sgi
[05:54:01] <helf> I want an indy
[05:54:05] <DocPheniX> i was building an octaine at one time
[05:54:06] <ddew|bofh> i want a higher res though
[05:54:19] <helf> i want an indy so i can stack it on top of my slabs :P
[05:54:38] <DocPheniX> ah the beauty of having a corner desk with kvm
[05:54:39] <helf> ss20,both turbos, an indy, a microvax. all stacked up :) nice and tidy
[05:54:39] <DocPheniX> lol
[05:54:47] <ddew|bofh> hehe
[05:54:50] <rennj> i had indy,o2,o2+,indigo2
[05:54:55] <rennj> and at work we had nice
[05:55:00] <DocPheniX> i have 4 boxen under my desk
[05:55:03] <rennj> xerox sgi indy colorbus
[05:55:05] <DocPheniX> and one on top
[05:55:08] <helf> hiya rennj
[05:55:13] <rennj> helf
[05:55:15] <DocPheniX> all x86 hardware unfortunately
[05:55:24] <ddew|bofh> all my "extra" machines are in my rack.
[05:55:27] <helf> i have two turbos nexts stacked on mine, at the moment
[05:55:28] <DocPheniX> i rather like the more obscure hardware
[05:55:29] <rennj> i got pics of indy
[05:55:33] <ddew|bofh> only got the pc on my desk
[05:55:35] <rennj> and o2+
[05:55:40] <rennj> indigo2
[05:55:46] <rennj> that was another i had
[05:55:54] <rennj> all i got now is media
[05:55:57] <rennj> irix
[05:56:04] <rennj> 6.5.22 i want to say
[05:56:11] <rennj> m not p
[05:56:12] <ddew|bofh> sounds about right
[05:56:16] <rennj> nah
[05:56:22] <rennj> its like 6.5.27
[05:56:25] <DocPheniX> i want an sgi fuel soooooo badly
[05:56:26] <rennj> or higher
[05:56:29] <ddew|bofh> 6.5.22m was the last "free" release
[05:56:34] <rennj> octane2 is better then fuel
[05:56:43] <DocPheniX> rly?
[05:56:49] <DocPheniX> whys that?
[05:56:50] <rennj> dual cpu vs single
[05:57:01] <DocPheniX> i thought you could get dual fuels?
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[05:57:05] <rennj> nah
[05:57:08] <rennj> 600mhz
[05:57:10] <helf__> damn dialup
[05:57:13] <rennj> high mhz fuels
[05:57:17] <rennj> but not dual
[05:57:20] <helf__> heh
[05:57:25] * helf__ is happy @ 33mhz ^_^
[05:57:41] <rennj> dual 400mhz octane2
[05:57:47] <rennj> 8GB ram
[05:57:48] <DocPheniX> :P
[05:57:49] <helf__> why are there 3 of me here ?
[05:58:06] <helf__> how do you do the ghost command? ive forgotten
[06:00:29] <ddew|bofh> heh, this'll take ages. got os42 and rhapsody dr2 downloading from demonoid now. at 2KB/h :P
[06:01:09] <helf__> i can mail you a cd of 4.2dev
[06:01:20] <helf__> ive yet to try rhapsody
[06:01:31] <ddew|bofh> it's cool, i've got time :)
[06:01:35] <helf__> heh
[06:01:36] <helf__> ok
[06:01:44] <helf__> Man, I can't wait till the 3rd :)
[06:01:48] <ddew|bofh> thanks for the offer though
[06:01:52] <helf__> I get to pick up my diesel rabbit. wooo
[06:01:53] <helf__> np
[06:02:45] <ddew|bofh> wtf is a diesel rabbit? :)
[06:03:52] <cps1966> nasty piece of shit
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[06:04:26] <ddew|bofh> heh
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[06:04:44] <cps1966> ok if you run it on french fry oil i guess
[06:05:58] <cps1966> helf_ is like my step son buys a different car every weel or so
[06:06:14] <helf__> hehe
[06:06:19] <helf__> I like rabbits
[06:06:20] <helf__> ass :P
[06:06:45] <helf__> plus i got this one for dirt, runs perfectly, a one owner, and my current cars engine is about to go kaput so i had to do something
[06:06:47] <cps1966> wasting good money on bad cars
[06:06:58] <helf__> they arent bad :P
[06:07:12] <helf__> plus i needed something that gets good mpg :) ~40mpg is good ^_^
[06:07:15] * ddew|bofh hugzors his Volvo :P
[06:07:22] <cps1966> not good if you have to buy diesel fuel
[06:07:26] <helf__> current vehicle gets about 17mpg
[06:07:27] <ddew|bofh> second best car I've ever owned
[06:07:42] <helf__> cps, why? 4 stations around me sell diesel and its not expensive
[06:08:00] <helf__> and i have a trucker atlas, so i can easily find diesel stops on trips :)
[06:08:03] <cps1966> wait till winter kicks in fully
[06:08:15] <helf__> :|
[06:08:18] <helf__> why?
[06:08:29] <helf__> prices skyrocket?
[06:08:34] <helf__> ive not paid much attention to diesel prices
[06:08:40] <cps1966> use same process for heating fuel
[06:09:06] <helf__> well, ill only have to fill up once a month or so :P so i dont care. still be cheaper than driving my van
[06:09:13] <cps1966> supposed to be 40% higher this winter
[06:09:42] <helf__> 13 gallons @ 40mpg @ 3usd a gallon, or 27 gallons @ 16-17mpg @ 3usd gallon ;)
[06:10:17] * helf__ always dreads filling his van up
[06:10:28] <ddew|bofh> hehe
[06:10:32] <cps1966> http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/wohdp/diesel.asp
[06:10:35] <ddew|bofh> 20 gallon tank? ;)
[06:10:39] <helf__> 27
[06:10:49] <ddew|bofh> ouch
[06:10:54] <helf__> almost a 28 if i really pack it in
[06:11:08] <ddew|bofh> mine's like 8 :P
[06:11:11] <helf__> i can normally eek out 2 ors or a bit more
[06:11:18] <helf__> on 28 gallons
[06:11:29] <helf__> ~16 days for 28 gallons. it sucks :P
[06:11:49] <cps1966> i fillup once a month
[06:11:54] <helf__> what REALLY sucked was when gas hit 3.20 here...
[06:12:04] <helf__> 27 gallons twice a month at 3.20.. AAARGH! :)
[06:12:12] <cps1966> last time it took 14.8 gallons
[06:12:36] <helf__> my dad used to send me picture mail of his 18 whelers fillups..
[06:12:39] <helf__> $400usd or more :)
[06:12:52] <ddew|bofh> ouch, that's a depressive bill
[06:12:57] <helf__> and he only carries about 180 gallons
[06:13:07] <helf__> one of his friends carries right at 400 gallons !
[06:13:14] <helf__> "400" gallons
[06:13:17] <ddew|bofh> it's like when you come home from driving across europe, those bills suck
[06:13:18] <cps1966> two 120's on most today
[06:14:00] <helf__> granted, i think his friend has an APU on his truck. so if he got stuck somewhere, he could sit and have full power for like a year :P
[06:14:09] <helf__> an apu uses about 1.5 gallons every 24 hours
[06:14:25] <ddew|bofh> full power as in 12V or 120V?
[06:14:34] <cps1966> 24
[06:14:35] <helf__> 120
[06:14:42] <helf__> well
[06:14:53] <cps1966> inverter takes it to 120
[06:15:00] <helf__> yeah
[06:15:01] <helf__> just 24
[06:15:17] <ddew|bofh> heh, awesome nonenetheless
[06:15:19] <cps1966> but no heat
[06:15:21] <helf__> yeah :)
[06:15:34] <helf__> no, you have heat nad ac
[06:15:48] <helf__> with the APU running, you have ALL electrical options available on the truck
[06:15:52] <ddew|bofh> now if only i could get portable fiberoptical interweb i'd be totally set for living in a truck :P
[06:15:59] <helf__> hehe
[06:16:06] <helf__> my dad uses sprints EVDO
[06:16:12] <helf__> ~2mbit everywhere he goes
[06:16:41] <ddew|bofh> i've gotten too used to quick connections, i et jittery on less than 50mbit
[06:16:46] <ddew|bofh> *get
[06:16:52] <helf__> lucky...
[06:16:56] <helf__> im on dialup right now
[06:17:03] <helf__> fastest link i can get my hands on is a 15/3 cable line
[06:17:04] <helf__> :(
[06:17:11] <cps1966> hey were geting fois here in a couple of months
[06:17:14] <helf__> i dearly want a 100mbit fibre line
[06:17:19] <helf__> oh sweet
[06:17:41] <cps1966> 20/2 39 bucks a month
[06:17:42] <helf__> I live in a smallish city in Alabama. I'm not getting anything better than 15mbit anytime soon :P
[06:18:10] <ddew|bofh> i'm fortunate enough to live in the land of plentiful internet, sweden
[06:18:15] <helf__> ah
[06:18:20] <helf__> yeah, lucky :)
[06:18:40] <helf__> the land of grandmothers getting 50gbit connections just so someone cna 'prove a point' ;)
[06:18:47] <ddew|bofh> 35 bucks for 100mbit, that doesn't suck :P
[06:18:53] <helf__> gah
[06:18:58] <helf__> GA
[06:18:59] <cps1966> most server cant pass that much though so it does not much good
[06:19:00] <helf__> GAH
[06:19:05] <helf__> cps, yeah, i know
[06:19:27] <helf__> even 100mbit is really only 100mbit to the ISP. then its who knows what from the servers
[06:19:37] <ddew|bofh> hopefully they'll up my outgoing bw soon, sucks being stuck on 20mbit
[06:19:50] <helf__> freaking 8mbit cable here is 54/m IF you have cable tv already
[06:20:08] <helf__> i dont wanna hear it :P
[06:20:15] <helf__> i'd give one of my NeXTs to have a 100/20 :P
[06:20:35] <cps1966> left nut here
[06:20:36] <ddew|bofh> the annoying bit is that it's really just a limit on their routers
[06:20:54] <helf__> 15/3 is 'just a limit' on our cable too
[06:20:57] <ddew|bofh> technically i can have 100/100
[06:20:58] <helf__> i hate comcast
[06:21:15] <helf__> comcast = packet shaping scum ;)
[06:21:30] * ddew|bofh has spent many hours drooling over the rack in the basement :P
[06:21:39] <helf__> heh
[06:21:44] <cps1966> i nheard comcast is in trouble for blocking users from certain sites
[06:21:55] <helf__> oh, anyone have or know anyone with a microvax or an apollo workstation? (im looking for some good ones)
[06:22:00] <helf__> cps, yeah
[06:22:03] <helf__> i hate comcast
[06:22:10] <helf__> they lie about hteir filtering/censoring too
[06:22:29] <ddew|bofh> i need an ss20 with a screen in gbg, anyone up for selling one? :P
[06:22:41] <helf__> i have one
[06:22:42] <helf__> with an adapter
[06:22:43] <helf__> :P
[06:22:50] <helf__> hell, you can HAVE it for shipping costs
[06:23:06] <ddew|bofh> yeah, but us to sweden shipping is fuck-expensive :)
[06:23:07] <helf__> i just need to make the room for other things
[06:23:16] <ddew|bofh> thanks for the offer though
[06:23:18] <helf__> might not be too bad
[06:23:19] <helf__> :)
[06:23:27] <helf__> i can weigh it and find out if you want
[06:23:29] <ddew|bofh> sparcs are damn heavy
[06:23:45] <helf__> i can mail you individual pieces :P
[06:23:49] <ddew|bofh> hehe
[06:23:50] <helf__> might e cheaper
[06:24:00] <cps1966> yeah that would be cheaper
[06:24:10] <ddew|bofh> hopefully i'll be able to find a set of 13w3 cables for my kvm
[06:24:38] <ddew|bofh> the hardware in it can hack it but unfortunatly the cables are unpossible to find
[06:24:58] <helf__> 13w3 to what? 13w3?
[06:25:17] <ddew|bofh> 13w3 to ps/2
[06:25:24] <helf__> wtf
[06:25:42] <helf__> does ps2 have enough pins for everything??
[06:26:02] <ddew|bofh> oh wait, my bad. 13w3 to dsub ofc :)
[06:26:31] <ddew|bofh> anyways, the kvms are sun capable as long as i can find the proper cables
[06:26:43] <helf__> kewl
[06:27:12] <helf__> guess ill just stack my ss20 up with my NeXTs and hook it up to my turbo.
[06:27:17] <ddew|bofh> indeed, the best part is that i got the kvms for free :)
[06:27:21] <helf__> yay for serial consoles
[06:27:24] <helf__> nice
[06:27:52] <cps1966> i need zip codes for both places
[06:28:14] <helf__> im 35904
[06:28:38] <ddew|bofh> 43142 in .se
[06:29:11] <cps1966> http://ircalc.usps.gov/
[06:30:11] <cps1966> it looking for specific info
[06:30:13] <ddew|bofh> ouch! 180 bucks
[06:30:34] <cps1966> for how much weight
[06:31:26] <helf__> huh, the OS apollo workstations used allowed demand paging over the network.. kelw
[06:31:33] <helf__> cool
[06:31:38] <helf__> 180 bucks for what?
[06:31:43] <cps1966> case is like 16 gauge steel heavyest part
[06:31:54] <ddew|bofh> shipping 50 pounds from the us to sweden :)
[06:32:13] <cps1966> i doubt if it wieghs 50 lbs
[06:32:30] <helf__> lemme go weigh it
[06:32:33] <helf__> brb
[06:32:37] <helf__> should weigh more than 20, if that
[06:32:41] <cps1966> more like 30
[06:32:52] <ddew|bofh> the screen's pretty heavy
[06:33:09] <helf__> screen for what?
[06:33:21] <cps1966> hell my mid tower dual p4 weighs about 20 with 7 drives
[06:33:23] <ddew|bofh> ss20
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[06:33:48] <helf__> its just the tower + 13w3 to vga adapter + keyboard/mouse = solaris 8 media
[06:33:55] <Begasus> morning peeps
[06:33:57] <ddew|bofh> my box weighs in at about 40 with drives etc
[06:34:02] <ddew|bofh> morning begasus
[06:34:55] <Begasus> hi ddew|bofh
[06:35:43] <helf__> hi Begasus
[06:35:54] <cps1966> i have a biohassard II case
[06:36:01] <helf__> ddew|bofh , the ss20 weighs almost exactly 25lbs. so add like 5 or so more for packing and keyboard/mouse
[06:36:22] <cps1966> see i told you
[06:36:23] <Begasus> hi helf_
[06:36:40] <Begasus> I see you made your way to IRC also ;)
[06:36:44] <helf__> :)
[06:36:57] <Begasus> one of the last remaining dino's on BeShare ...
[06:36:58] <helf__> i have two ghosts that arent timing out
[06:37:08] <cps1966> hell its the only place we dont have binkies
[06:37:12] <helf__> yeah, i havnet used beshare in awhile though
[06:37:16] <Begasus> hehe
[06:37:17] <helf__> hehe
[06:37:22] <helf__> i kinda miss binkies
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[06:37:42] <binky> there
[06:37:43] <Begasus> yeah ... we had quit some fun with them way back ;)
[06:37:44] <cps1966> 595 is a Binky
[06:37:47] <Begasus> lol
[06:37:55] <binky> now we can feel at home :)
[06:38:12] <cps1966> i did that last week
[06:38:14] <AlienSoldier> kick the binky out :P
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[06:38:30] <cps1966> hey AlienSoldier wazzup
[06:38:32] <Begasus> get him!!! ;)
[06:38:34] <helf> heh
[06:38:37] <helf> hi Al :P
[06:38:42] <helf> AlienSoldier
[06:38:45] <AlienSoldier> hi all
[06:38:52] <cps1966> get the double barrel kicker out
[06:39:03] <Begasus> hi AlienSoldier
[06:39:32] <cps1966> AlienSoldier:  any good tech stuff this week
[06:39:48] <cps1966> real stuff that is
[06:39:55] <AlienSoldier> cps1966 not saw much interesting
[06:40:26] <cps1966> heh funny sound this thing does
[06:40:57] <AlienSoldier> on the bright side my back start to slowly get better
[06:41:15] <helf> good
[06:41:21] <cps1966> sounds like caliope
[06:42:26] <cps1966> pidgin 2.2.2
[06:43:22] <cps1966> oh new unizone now uses muscle 4.0
[06:43:48] <Begasus> w00t ... unizone is still developed?
[06:43:59] <cps1966> jeremy is still working on it i guess
[06:44:20] <cps1966> sure it is from cvs or svn
[06:44:25] <Begasus> thought that was long abandoned ;)
[06:44:40] <cps1966> no i got new one last week
[06:44:49] * JonathanThompson falls on the floor after standing all amazed
[06:45:07] <cps1966> for linux windows may be version behind
[06:45:12] <Begasus> 'lo JonathanThompson
[06:45:27] <Begasus> got a link around cps1966 ?
[06:45:42] <helf> hi JonathanThompson
[06:45:49] <JonathanThompson> Hi helf, Begasus.
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[06:45:53] <cps1966> for which brew winshit or linux
[06:46:00] <AlienSoldier> but i think all muscled server need to be recomiled to be compatable
[06:46:03] <Begasus> linux ;)
[06:46:12] <helf> winshit and linsux! ;)
[06:46:21] * JonathanThompson places cps1966 into the Zealot category
[06:46:27] <cps1966> oh that you need qt3 + moc
[06:46:28] <helf> heh
[06:46:51] <JonathanThompson> Actually, I don't place cps1966 into that category, cps1966 places cps1966 into that category with no help from me :)
[06:47:47] <cps1966> Begasus: here  svn co https://unizone.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/unizone unizone
[06:48:23] <cps1966> put it in home dir then open trunk/unizone and make
[06:48:36] <JonathanThompson> Yeah, helf, my plans for this weekend were banged out of kilter as a result of unexpectedly needing to abort my car's mostly-silent Self-Destruct Sequence :)
[06:48:45] <Begasus> thnx .. pulling
[06:49:04] <cps1966> you also make auto make and gcc
[06:49:25] <JonathanThompson> Well, it wouldn't have totally destroyed the car if not aborted, but it would have made it much more expensive if I had waited.
[06:49:32] <cps1966> wow whats on my mind
[06:49:51] * JonathanThompson suspects a good dose of pocket lint on cps1966's mind
[06:50:10] <cps1966> no i have hole in pocket
[06:50:24] <cps1966> fell cocky all day long
[06:50:39] <cps1966> feel
[06:51:10] <cps1966> haha beat that one jt
[06:51:17] <helf> JonathanThompson  what the crap did you do?
[06:51:38] <JonathanThompson> The good thing is that pocket lint is easily vacuumed :)
[06:51:41] <cps1966> tranmission seal on axle
[06:51:52] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps I've been using my transmission too heavily???
[06:51:57] <JonathanThompson> Either that, or just dumb luck.
[06:52:06] <helf> wtf, that car isnt even old
[06:52:09] <helf> manual or auto?
[06:52:10] <cps1966> no you have cv joint going bad
[06:52:31] * JonathanThompson considers the .3-.4 mile long 7% exit ramp he downshifts from 70 mph, and thinks.... nah....
[06:52:31] <cps1966> i had same thing happen to me
[06:52:38] <JonathanThompson> Auto.
[06:52:53] <helf> do you force it into gears?
[06:53:09] <helf> 'cause thats REALLY not good on an auto
[06:53:13] <JonathanThompson> Automatic transmissions aren't supposed to ALLOW that to happen outside of safe ranges :)
[06:53:22] <helf> ha
[06:53:35] <helf> i can slam my vans tranny into 2nd while doing 65 :P
[06:53:38] <JonathanThompson> It's not like I've popped it into the lowest gear I can select from 70 mph.
[06:53:45] <cps1966> when they are worn out they do
[06:53:48] <JonathanThompson> How many speeds is that tranny?
[06:53:49] <helf> thats still bad
[06:53:52] <helf> 4
[06:54:12] <helf> the whole car flet like the rearend was about to rip out... :) i didnt mean to slam it into 2nd..
[06:54:13] <JonathanThompson> My car doesn't even give you the option of shifting into 1st automatically.
[06:54:29] <JonathanThompson> (Rather, by manually telling it to)
[06:54:33] <helf> why were you downshifting?
[06:54:42] <JonathanThompson> It doesn't have a 1 on the shift indicator.
[06:54:42] <AlienSoldier> spealing of transmission, version 0.90 is out, beos port is really behind :(
[06:54:55] <JonathanThompson> helf, you need to see the hills around here :)
[06:55:10] <helf> do it at slower speeds or just use up break pads :P
[06:55:19] <cps1966> thats what brakes are for
[06:55:30] <JonathanThompson> Consider: from the start of the ramp to the bottom, I'm probably descending around 140 feet in altitude :P
[06:55:49] <helf> shifting into anything less than 3rd (if its a 4spd) @ 70 is a BAD idea :)
[06:55:52] <JonathanThompson> (Fortunately, I don't use that exit in Redmond all the time)
[06:55:55] <cps1966> thats not much push
[06:56:03] <JonathanThompson> I don't shift below 3rd at that speed.
[06:56:15] <helf> i wouldnt even shift into 3rd if in overdrive.. :)
[06:56:22] <cps1966> why shift at all
[06:56:25] <JonathanThompson> My car doesn't have an "overdrive"
[06:56:32] <helf> wtf does it have?
[06:56:35] <helf> i hate your car :P
[06:56:48] <JonathanThompson> Regular, 3rd and 2nd that I can select :)
[06:56:49] <cps1966> sure it does it 3 sp with od
[06:57:10] <helf> probalby a 3spd with electronic overdrive
[06:57:33] <cps1966> built in tail shaft
[06:57:33] <JonathanThompson> It's not something I can choose to shift into and say "Stay locked, damn you!"
[06:57:40] <helf> heh
[06:57:58] <helf> and this is why im glad im getting a manual again :)
[06:58:01] * helf misses manuals
[06:58:31] <cps1966> once you down shift you release lock up converter anyway so whats the point
[06:58:41] <JonathanThompson> I was preferring the manual for certain reasons, but, alas, the car they had available that was manual was lacking certain things I was looking for in other features, and it had way too many miles on it for the money and the risk to be worth the bother.
[06:59:07] <helf> oh
[06:59:14] <helf> go trade your current one in and get a manual
[06:59:16] <helf> i command thee
[06:59:24] <JonathanThompson> I didn't feel like buying a 99 car with 126K miles on it for 4888 lacking cruise control and traction control.
[06:59:25] <helf> since you are torturing your auto
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[06:59:43] <helf> oh god
[06:59:54] <helf> i HATE automatic traction control
[06:59:58] <helf> hate hate hate
[07:00:02] <cps1966> i could see him on a hill trying to go up at stop light
[07:00:07] <JonathanThompson> That's the mileage where things tend to get expensive with major repairs, even well-maintained cars, so it wasn't in my best interest.
[07:00:24] <helf> 126k miles isnt very high mileage... :P
[07:00:30] <JonathanThompson> cps1966, there are fun hills in the Seattle area that when wet, are great fun :P
[07:00:55] <JonathanThompson> helf, that's easily > 1/2 typical miles most people would get out of cars, assuming they don't abuse them.
[07:00:56] <cps1966> burnout time
[07:00:59] <helf> my sister has a volvo s40 with traction control. it BLOWS
[07:01:14] <JonathanThompson> I can turn the traction control off, so that's a good thing.
[07:01:26] <JonathanThompson> Can you turn it off on the Volvo?
[07:01:29] <helf> no
[07:01:32] <helf> which blows harder
[07:01:37] <JonathanThompson> That sucks, because sometimes, you don't want it on.
[07:01:39] <helf> you can 'enable' and 'disable' it
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[07:01:45] <cps1966> it turns itself off
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[07:01:53] <helf> but, the stupid ECU turns it on automatically if it thinks it needs it
[07:01:56] <JonathanThompson> How do you mean "enable/disable" it?
[07:02:03] <helf> cant force it off
[07:02:08] <JonathanThompson> Oh, so it's only if it decides you should have it off :P
[07:02:10] <helf> theres a button that lets you 'turn it on'
[07:02:13] <cps1966> unplug wires
[07:02:14] <helf> yeah
[07:02:20] <helf> its her car, im not touching it :P
[07:02:39] <JonathanThompson> I don't want too much "intelligence" in my cars because it isn't likely to get it perfect to my desires/needs.
[07:02:44] <helf> but i'd rather hydroplane than have my car jolting me around while it locks and unlocks and shifts power to tires
[07:02:51] * JonathanThompson dubs helf a semi-wise guy
[07:02:56] <helf> heh
[07:03:00] <cps1966> i did that with my lockup in town driving all the time
[07:03:11] <helf> i miss my rx-7... :)
[07:03:22] <JonathanThompson> I guess it depends on the traction control implementation as to whether it helps or not, helf.
[07:03:29] <helf> i guess
[07:03:30] <cps1966> you shouldn't have killed it
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[07:03:40] * JonathanThompson notes there are plenty of nice places helf could roll another one around here
[07:03:41] <helf> my rx-7 had no computer control on anything :)
[07:03:51] <helf> heh
[07:03:54] <JonathanThompson> Just a nut behind the wheel :P
[07:04:00] <helf> :P
[07:04:03] <JonathanThompson> Actually, I'd bet it had electronic ignition :P
[07:04:04] <cps1966> hehe yeah
[07:04:17] <helf> hm
[07:04:19] <helf> i dont remember
[07:04:20] <helf> its mightve
[07:04:21] <JonathanThompson> And perhaps emissions.
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[07:04:28] <helf> had a carb, no emission control
[07:04:30] <JonathanThompson> (Most likely, actually)
[07:04:37] <JonathanThompson> helf, what year was it?
[07:04:41] <cps1966> what year was it
[07:04:55] <helf> emission stuff removed
[07:04:56] <cps1966> 84 and up had them
[07:04:59] <helf> 1983 with a 13b
[07:05:08] <JonathanThompson> Illegal in most places, then.
[07:05:31] <helf> well, it was a 13b series 83, one of the later of the year, with no emissions
[07:05:44] <helf> ball and pinion steering..
[07:05:47] <JonathanThompson> I doubt it would have been legal in CA even then.
[07:05:50] <helf> didnt even have ABS
[07:05:55] <helf> i loved it
[07:05:56] <JonathanThompson> Rack and pinion, helf :P
[07:05:59] <helf> no
[07:06:02] <helf> wasnt rack and pinion
[07:06:11] <helf> :)
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[07:06:27] * JonathanThompson puts helf up on a rack and changes his pinion
[07:07:34] <helf> it would scream
[07:07:35] <cps1966> Begasus:  did you get that yet
[07:07:51] <helf> 0-60 wasnt the 8.something the specs are listed as
[07:07:54] <helf> around 7.something
[07:07:56] <Begasus> yeah .. probs with compiling atm
[07:07:59] <JonathanThompson> RX-7's with the Wankels were designed to scream :)
[07:08:05] <helf> :P
[07:08:06] <Begasus> got qt3 and moc installed though
[07:08:13] <cps1966> whats the error
[07:08:15] <helf> i always ran mine way beyond safe rev limits..
[07:08:18] <JonathanThompson> I rode in one once.
[07:08:22] <helf> poor car. i tortured it then flipped it
[07:08:28] <Begasus> qlabel.h etc ...
[07:08:47] <cps1966> hmm never had that
[07:08:48] <helf> all i know is it DRANK gas
[07:08:57] * JonathanThompson wonders how many cars it will take helf to learn how to treat them while destroying the learning cars
[07:09:09] <helf> i watched my fuel gauges needle drop while on the highway
[07:09:09] <Begasus> error: qstring.h: No such file or directory
[07:09:10] <JonathanThompson> Well, pushing it past redline probably didn't help mileage out :)
[07:09:15] <Begasus> things like that ...
[07:09:24] <helf> i doubt i was getting ~15mpg :)
[07:09:27] <helf> it was running rich
[07:09:28] <Begasus> will talk to monni later when I see him ..
[07:09:31] <helf> i hadnt adjusted the car
[07:09:32] <helf> carb
[07:09:32] <DeadYak> helf = crazy
[07:09:38] <cps1966> so its not making depends
[07:09:39] <helf> heh
[07:09:44] <JonathanThompson> Gee, helf, I could get that kind of mileage with my 4800 pound station wagon :P
[07:09:45] <Begasus> hi DeadYak ;)
[07:09:47] <helf> well, my new car is a diesel golf = slow :)
[07:09:53] <helf> ill get another rx-7 eventually ;)
[07:09:55] <JonathanThompson> (On the highway)
[07:09:56] <DeadYak> helf: ah, I have a regular golf
[07:10:01] <DeadYak> helf: had it for like 8 years now
[07:10:05] <helf> nice
[07:10:08] * JonathanThompson is looking for a minature golf
[07:10:10] <DeadYak> 99 GLS anyways
[07:10:12] <helf> my vans about to die, so i HAD to get something
[07:10:21] <Begasus> I've had a Golf like 20 yrs ago :P
[07:10:27] <DeadYak> diesel's nice for fuel eff at least :)
[07:10:28] <helf> mines an 81 diesel rabbit (sorry, not a golf, but the same thingbasically)
[07:10:37] <DeadYak> helf:  oh, the rabbit
[07:10:38] <DeadYak> ok :)
[07:10:39] <helf> yeah
[07:10:41] <helf> heh
[07:10:50] <helf> normally aspirated :P
[07:10:55] <umccullough> i didn't realize they offered a diesel rabbit back then :P
[07:10:56] <helf> lol, only ~54hp
[07:10:59] <JonathanThompson> And I came back from the store not too long ago with carrots, helf, so perhaps your car needs fuel :)
[07:11:02] <cps1966> so your going to be a rabbit fucker now
[07:11:05] <helf> i think it was the first year
[07:11:10] <helf> heh
[07:11:19] <helf> a one owner :D
[07:11:20] <JonathanThompson> 54 hp???  You'd NEVER want that car around here with hills :)
[07:11:42] <helf> 72ft-lbs torque :P
[07:11:47] <umccullough> i was thinking the newer TDI Jetta's were interesting
[07:11:49] <cps1966> why not jt he could go in revese down hills
[07:11:52] <JonathanThompson> You'd be one I'd be cursing at if I got stuck behind getting up that ramp in Redmond onto WA-520 :)
[07:12:07] <helf> hp/torque isnt it all :P gering matters
[07:12:10] <helf> lol
[07:12:11] <umccullough> JonathanThompson, hills aren't conquered by HP anyway ;)
[07:12:26] <helf> torque conquers hills :P and 72 is neough
[07:12:27] * DeadYak pets Begasus
[07:12:30] <JonathanThompson> True, but it also is likely to have low torque when HP is that low besides.
[07:12:39] <helf> 72ft-lbs
[07:12:40] <Begasus> meep
[07:12:41] <umccullough> diesel engines are all about torque
[07:12:41] <JonathanThompson> And it has low torque, and not high enough top HP :)
[07:12:48] <helf> you forget diesels have more torque than gasoline engines
[07:13:16] <JonathanThompson> So, it would take a long time to reach max HP, and HP is what you need going up steep hills more than level ground, but it'd slowly accelerate up them, due to the low torque.
[07:13:17] <cps1966> Begasus:  what brew are you using
[07:13:18] <helf> my rx-7s wankel only gave me like 100ft-lbs torque :)
[07:13:25] <Begasus> ubuntu feisty cps1966
[07:13:38] <JonathanThompson> What's your car weigh, helf, empty?
[07:13:44] <cps1966> oh you may need build essential
[07:13:46] <helf> my next car is gonna get a bricklin with an AMC 360
[07:13:58] <helf> JonathanThompson : not a lot. like 1500lbs maybe?
[07:14:11] <JonathanThompson> Well, then the torque may scale OK....
[07:14:20] <pyCube_> yep
[07:14:22] <JonathanThompson> If it weighed as much as my car, it'd suck bigtime.
[07:14:27] <cps1966> Begasus:  that gives you all the tools you need to build it
[07:14:29] <helf> thats one reason i love my van. can go anywhere.. 230hp with ~250ft-lbs torque @ 3400lbs
[07:14:34] <JonathanThompson> (Not that I have that heavy of a car)
[07:14:44] <helf> hi cube
[07:14:45] <umccullough> diesel engines are also very low RPM
[07:14:52] <helf> yeah
[07:14:58] <umccullough> they reach their max torque usually around 2000-3000 RPM
[07:14:59] <helf> max hp and torque are all less than 4k rpm
[07:15:04] <JonathanThompson> They tend ot have a very narrow curve for max HP.
[07:15:07] <helf> max torque is at like 3100rpm
[07:15:10] <cps1966> except for cummings diesels
[07:15:15] <Begasus> hmm .. think I already had the build essentials ...
[07:15:16] <Begasus> checking ...
[07:15:33] * JonathanThompson hears pizza in oven say "I'm toast!  EAT ME!"
[07:15:38] <cps1966> qt3 devel then
[07:15:38] <helf> hey, right now i need good fuel mileage :P screw performance
[07:15:47] <helf> im too poor for paying 200/m in gas
[07:15:49] <helf> :)
[07:15:50] <umccullough> diesel is good for that too ;)
[07:15:58] <DeadYak> I wish I lived someplace where I didn't need a car
[07:16:09] <helf> DeadYak , arent you in TN?
[07:16:09] <cps1966> if the injectors aren't shot
[07:16:12] <umccullough> and you can always run it on fry-oil if you must :D
[07:16:19] <helf> umccullough  hehe :P
[07:16:22] <DeadYak> helf: about 20 miles south of AL/TN border
[07:16:34] <DeadYak> helf: good luck surviving without a car in huntsville
[07:16:35] <helf> south? you are in alabama too? :)
[07:16:40] <helf> huntsville!?
[07:16:44] <DeadYak> helf: I think this came up already....
[07:16:45] <helf> oh, that sright.
[07:16:48] <helf> yeah
[07:16:51] <helf> you arent far from me
[07:16:56] <DeadYak> helf: you're what, Birmingham or thereabouts?
[07:16:59] <helf> gadsden
[07:17:02] <DeadYak> oh
[07:17:03] <DeadYak> right
[07:17:03] <helf> even closer :)
[07:17:19] <cps1966> give him a big kiss
[07:17:24] <helf> gadsden is pretty spread out. couldnt live wihout a car
[07:17:33] <DeadYak> helf: HSV's the same
[07:17:40] <DeadYak> + no mass transit worth mentioning
[07:17:47] <Begasus> build essential is installed (think I installed them to get haiku's source compiled earlier) ...
[07:17:48] <cps1966> yeah i know i've been down that way before
[07:17:50] <helf> luckily, gadsdens building that up
[07:18:03] <helf> we have a decent bus system
[07:18:07] <DeadYak> you suck :P
[07:18:10] <helf> :P
[07:18:11] <DeadYak> we have...jack
[07:18:14] <helf> and its cheap
[07:18:15] <cps1966> Begasus:  try qt3-devel
[07:18:16] <helf> :D
[07:18:49] <helf> i really need to square away my college stuff
[07:18:58] <helf> supposed to be starting jacksonville this january
[07:19:17] <DeadYak> jacksonville, FL?
[07:19:18] <Begasus> also installed cps1966 ;)
[07:19:28] <helf> jacksonville state uni
[07:19:30] <DeadYak> oh
[07:19:32] <cps1966> Begasus:  i built it on gutsy last week
[07:19:33] <helf> JSU
[07:19:42] <helf> i forget about jacksonville fl
[07:19:48] <cps1966> qt3-compat
[07:19:50] <DeadYak> helf: gotcha
[07:19:55] <DeadYak> helf: well, want to hang out sometime?
[07:20:08] <helf> sure
[07:20:23] <DeadYak> how far's it from here to Gadsden?
[07:20:33] <helf> um... lemme go check
[07:21:19] <helf> huntsville maybe an hour and a half a way.. i think. firing up mapquest
[07:21:46] <DeadYak> helf: looks right
[07:22:27] <helf> Total Est. Time:  1 hour, 33 minutes
[07:22:27] <helf> Total Est. Distance: 72.84 miles
[07:22:44] <helf> am i good or what? ^_^
[07:22:54] <DeadYak> not bad, google maps gave me about the same
[07:23:30] <cps1966> 72.5 miles
[07:23:45] <DeadYak> depends, mine gave me 65 from my exact address to gadsden
[07:24:05] <cps1966> 1.Starting in GADSDEN, AL on BROAD ST go toward N 7TH ST  - go < 0.1 mi2.Continue on FORREST AVE  - go 3.6 mi3.Continue on CLEVELAND AVE  - go 0.3 mi4.Turn RIGHT on I-59 N  - go < 0.1 mi5.Turn LEFT on 5TH AVE NE(US-278 W)  - go 0.1 mi6.Continue to follow US-278 W  - go 1.8 mi7.Continue on US-431 N  - go 65.9 mi8.Turn RIGHT on MADISON ST SE  - go 0.7 mi9.Arrive at the center of HUNTSVILLE,
[07:24:12] <DeadYak> ah
[07:24:14] <helf> whats your zip?
[07:24:39] <DeadYak> 35803
[07:25:19] <cps1966> hell we have one zip for whole city here it so small
[07:25:25] <helf> yeah, 65.38 miles from your zip to mine. give or take ~5 miles
[07:25:32] <DeadYak> helf: :)
[07:25:38] <DeadYak> helf: I'm more or less on the southern edge of HSV
[07:25:46] <DeadYak> helf: about 2 miles north of the tennessee river
[07:25:49] <cps1966> if you get lost its lots farther
[07:25:50] <helf> ah
[07:25:53] <helf> heh
[07:25:55] <helf> true :P
[07:26:08] <DeadYak> cps1966: common problem :)
[07:26:16] <helf> my 'house' is in east gadsden
[07:26:17] <cps1966> meet in the middle
[07:26:21] <DeadYak> cps1966: if you want an exercise in getting lost, try driving in Brussels sometime
[07:26:26] <helf> heh
[07:26:36] <DeadYak> ask Begasus if you don't believe me :)
[07:26:41] <cps1966> try NY city
[07:26:48] <DeadYak> cps1966: at least NYC has a grid
[07:26:50] <helf> try driving in houston
[07:26:59] <cps1966> not really
[07:27:01] <helf> or better yet
[07:27:05] <helf> try driving in lubbock
[07:27:12] <helf> freaking city of one way streets
[07:27:17] <DeadYak> helf: that's Brussels :)
[07:27:28] <DeadYak> helf: I got lost there once, it took me nearly 3 hours to find my way back out
[07:27:32] <pyCube_> man.. i really hope gas prices dont go insane before i move
[07:27:33] <cps1966> we have about ten of those here
[07:27:34] <Begasus> who where what?
[07:27:37] <helf> "i want to get to that coffee house.." 14 miles and an hour later.. yay! im here! (it was a block over)
[07:27:44] <DeadYak> Begasus: isn't driving in Brussel insane? :)
[07:27:45] <helf> DeadYak : ack
[07:28:00] <Begasus> ah .. not as bad as driving in Paris ;)
[07:28:04] <helf> heh
[07:28:05] <DeadYak> Begasus: true
[07:28:06] <Begasus> or Milan .. ;)
[07:28:08] <DeadYak> Begasus: but still :)
[07:28:13] <cps1966> Begasus:  if you have email addy i can send compiled one to you
[07:28:14] <DeadYak> Begasus: Paris doesn't count, that's too insane
[07:28:17] <helf> ive never been to europe. i wanna go someday :)
[07:28:17] <Begasus> but yeah it's hectic ;)
[07:28:26] <helf> Begasus, im coming to vist :P
[07:28:36] <pyCube_> london seemed like the most insane place ever to drive
[07:28:53] <helf> yeah, all the loonies driving on the wrong side of the road.. :P
[07:28:57] <Begasus> give me a note helf  :P
[07:29:14] <DeadYak> pyCube_: try the Arc de Triomphe in Paris sometime
[07:29:15] <Begasus> that's 'cause the drive on the wrong side of the road pyCube_  ;)
[07:29:16] <helf> itll be a year before i have the cash. but i really wanna travel some
[07:29:18] <DeadYak> craziest roundabout ever.
[07:29:23] <Begasus> indeed DeadYak  ;)
[07:29:38] <Begasus> you need to close your eyes to get on it !! :P
[07:29:43] <DeadYak> Begasus: but I still say Brussel sucked :P
[07:29:47] <Begasus> lol
[07:29:50] <pyCube_> paris seemed insane too.. but i think london is worse, if only because of the backwardsness of it
[07:30:04] <DeadYak> that's not as hard to get used to as you might think :)
[07:30:11] <pyCube_> right
[07:30:14] <DeadYak> paris is partly bad because no one there knows how to drive either :)
[07:30:19] <pyCube_> and london isnt where i would want to get used to it
[07:30:22] <helf> speaking of driving
[07:30:39] <helf> i found out today that stuck, grinding rear drum brakes are loud as crap
[07:30:39] <Begasus> it's called 'bumber' riding in Paris ;)
[07:30:56] <Begasus> even parking your car can be dangerous :P
[07:31:01] <helf> "omg, my car is falling apart around me!"
[07:31:23] <Begasus> well that's just the right car to drive through Paris ... hehe
[07:31:28] <helf> i have no idea how they got stuck like they did :) pumping the emergency brake a few times fixed it..
[07:31:41] <pyCube_> helf: so yeah.. i'm gonna be an employee of the big mouse
[07:31:46] <cps1966> damn norton is holding it up Begasus
[07:31:51] <helf> pyCube_ wiat
[07:31:53] <helf> you
[07:31:57] <Begasus> lol
[07:32:00] <helf> working for them
[07:32:04] * helf brains fizzles
[07:32:05] <pyCube_> hehe
[07:32:10] <pyCube_> indirectly anyway
[07:32:11] <DeadYak> pyCube_: big mouse?
[07:32:18] <DeadYak> pyCube_: as in Disney?
[07:32:19] <pyCube_> McDisneyHut
[07:32:22] <DeadYak> ah
[07:32:33] <helf> which department?
[07:32:41] <Begasus> burgers? ;)
[07:32:58] <pyCube_> ImageMovers Digital.. 3d film studio, disney + zemeckis
[07:32:59] <helf> well, congrats on the big paycheck :)
[07:33:02] <helf> kewl
[07:33:14] * helf is still making $7/h :D
[07:33:26] <pyCube_> helf: we'll see.. thats the part i am waiting on.. the details of the offer.. but i am pretty sure i'll be taking it
[07:33:50] <helf> your kids up to moving?
[07:33:57] <helf> your current digs are pretty nice :)
[07:34:22] <pyCube_> they know.. and are totally excited
[07:34:27] <helf> cool :D
[07:34:34] <helf> i always loved moving. i know a lot of kids hate it though
[07:34:51] <helf> ok, this is really ticking me off
[07:34:51] <cps1966> on its way Begasus
[07:34:52] <pyCube_> it oughta be neat.. its 3d films, with a focus on that live performance capture stuff
[07:34:57] <Begasus> thnx cps1966
[07:35:04] <cps1966> sure np
[07:35:19] <helf> i bought a phone off a seller on ebay. paid for it. got it, had problems, mailed it back, got a refund. now they have opened up a "non paying bidder" dispute
[07:35:20] <helf> wtf
[07:35:37] <helf> pyCube_ : oo! the live capturing stuf is cool
[07:36:31] <pyCube_> helf: the amount of cool shit in their building is amazing
[07:36:36] <pyCube_> toys everywhere
[07:36:39] <helf> :)
[07:36:43] <helf> pics! :)
[07:37:07] <helf> ive been in servers rooms and what not that I could spend all day in just looking around
[07:38:22] <umccullough> oh wow... how long has windows had an extra tab in the date/time control panel to sync with internet time?
[07:38:45] <helf> um
[07:38:47] <helf> since xp
[07:38:54] <helf> sp1 i think
[07:38:57] <cps1966> getting my weekly dose of bill maher
[07:39:05] <umccullough> sp1?
[07:39:08] <pyCube_> hehe
[07:39:09] <umccullough> hmm...
[07:39:11] <helf> service pack 1
[07:39:24] <umccullough> yes, i know what it is...i just didn't think it'd been there that long
[07:39:39] <umccullough> doesn't matter, it errors out each time i try it :P
[07:39:40] <helf> Maybe it was SP2.. i dont remember :)
[07:39:42] <helf> ha
[07:39:58] <umccullough> i tried both servers in the list...
[07:40:07] <helf> http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/retrocomputing/motorola/mc14500b/
[07:40:12] <helf> 1bit cpu and its instruction set..
[07:40:13] <helf> kewl
[07:40:14] <helf> :D
[07:40:37] <cps1966> helf why not get a vax
[07:40:58] <helf> I want a microvax, but thanks to buying this car, im broke for awhile
[07:41:06] <cps1966> with 256 KB hd
[07:41:09] * helf loves VMS... apparently one of the few that does
[07:45:44] <cps1966> http://www.landiss.com/history.htm look at 1978 helf
[07:46:59] <helf> hm, didnt realize vms was THAT old
[07:47:20] <helf> the 1980 part is wron
[07:47:24] <helf> g
[07:47:34] <helf> im pretty sure the Apple Lisa did NOT use a 68000
[07:48:17] <helf> hm.. apparently it did..
[07:48:22] <helf> odd, i swear it didnt
[07:48:22] <cps1966> for 10 grand does it matter
[07:48:41] <cps1966> 1983
[07:48:54] <helf> heh
[07:48:59] <helf> was waaaay overpriced..
[07:49:12] <cps1966>   Microsoft announces Windows 1.0 - but it doesn't ship for two more years.
[07:49:33] <cps1966> sound like gates shit two years of hype
[07:50:26] <helf> hehe
[07:51:19] <cps1966> The Perfect PC" is a 10 MHz 80286 with 640KB of RAM, a 1.2 MB floppy disk, a 20 MB hard disk and a 14" CGA monitor. It costs $3995.
[07:52:56] <helf> ick :)
[07:53:55] <cps1966> 1990   In March the DOD puts the Internet in the hands of its users, mostly universities and defense contractors. By October there are over 313,000 host computers connected.
[07:55:38] <cps1966> 2002   The one billionth PC is shipped in April. The second billion is expected to be reached in 2007 or 2008.
[07:56:05] <helf> thats insane...
[07:56:30] <cps1966>   On an average day, 1.6 million Napster users log on simultaneously. In February 2.8 billion files were downloaded.
[07:56:39] <cps1966> hehe
[07:57:48] <helf> ack
[07:57:51] <helf> its 2am
[07:57:51] <cps1966> wonder what kinda files those were
[07:57:59] <helf> porn ;)
[07:58:04] <helf> anyways, night
[07:58:09] <cps1966> yeah porn mp3s
[07:59:19] <cps1966> gn
[08:01:12] <Begasus> cps1966, arived thnx ;)
[08:02:20] <cps1966> just replace the unizone file in trunk with that
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[08:26:33] <cps1966> all dead and gone to hell
[08:28:17] <Begasus> lol
[08:28:21] <Begasus> moin kr1stof ;)
[08:28:40] <kr1stof> hi Luc
[08:28:45] <Begasus> how's it going?
[08:29:50] <kr1stof> Ok. I'm still looking for a job,
[08:30:06] <Begasus> me too ...
[08:30:12] <kr1stof> but everything else is fine. :-)
[08:30:14] <Begasus> looks like we're on the same road ;)
[08:30:35] <kr1stof> :-)
[08:31:34] <kr1stof> Beeing in the end of the 30s or even 40 doesn't make it easier. :-(
[08:32:10] <Begasus> not even being midle 40's ...
[08:33:20] <kr1stof> I've learnd and seen a lot. I have a lot to offer. All I need is a chance to show it.
[08:34:20] <Begasus> prob is that all the experience I have I can't use ...
[08:34:32] <pyCube_> c64 expert?
[08:34:33] <Begasus> due to quiting the job I had due health reasons
[08:34:55] <cps1966> well try 60 in a few months
[08:38:16] <Begasus> no time to be hunting for a job anymore then cps1966 ;)
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[08:44:35] <Begasus> going out ... (dog practice today)
[08:44:40] <Begasus> cya'll peeps
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[09:01:06] <stargater> moin
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[10:07:16] <DaaT_> hey JonathanThompson
[10:07:27] <JonathanThompson> I should be in bed (but not with sheep) :)
[10:08:37] <JonathanThompson> It's nice to see I'll be able to recoup my investment in GoBe Productive with Haiku :)
[10:12:48] <DaaT_> :)
[10:12:54] <DaaT_> forgot to write about that *smack*
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[10:13:55] <Ingenu> anyone tried MacOSX on a PC ?
[10:14:09] <JonathanThompson> Talk to ddew|bofh
[10:14:56] <DaaT_> Ingenu: was just reading the forum with the guide
[10:15:08] <DaaT_> but you need to do it from Tiger?
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[10:18:01] <JonathanThompson> I believe ddew|bofh stated he had Leopard running on his PC, with the help of some Tiger kernel extensions.
[10:19:03] <Ingenu> mmh
[10:19:14] <Ingenu> well I'm still looking for another OS
[10:24:34] <JonathanThompson> Have you investigated QNX for something different, Ingenu?
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[10:25:35] <DaaT_> shockingly, i've been enjoying Gutsy
[10:25:40] <DaaT_> hi Atomozero
[10:25:59] * JonathanThompson attaches electrodes to DaaT_ and then turns on the high voltage power transformer
[10:26:08] <JonathanThompson> Seems very shocking, DaaT_ :)
[10:26:11] * DaaT_ lights up
[10:26:27] <Atomozero> hi DaaT_
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[10:29:51] <Ingenu_> guess what
[10:29:52] <Ingenu_> windows Vista x64 froze once again
[10:30:00] <Ingenu_> now it's about daily and I still have no clue whose fault it is
[10:30:03] <Ingenu_> hardware or software
[10:30:08] <JonathanThompson> Yes :)
[10:30:32] <Ingenu_> mmh Tried to start Ubuntu 7.04 but it failed
[10:30:38] <Ingenu_> both in normal & safe video mode
[10:30:41] <Ingenu_> any clue anyone ?
[10:30:42] <JonathanThompson> Same machine?
[10:30:48] <Ingenu_> yes
[10:30:54] <JonathanThompson> How old is the machine?
[10:31:03] <Ingenu_> february 2007
[10:31:15] <JonathanThompson> How long ago did you install various OS's on it?
[10:31:28] <Ingenu_> reinstalled Vista x64 a month ago
[10:31:37] <Ingenu_> because it was locking already, thought it might help
[10:32:04] <DaaT_> tried the no_acpi mode?
[10:32:12] <JonathanThompson> I don't know what the chances are you're running into the same problem I had with my original dual p3 motherboard, but the symptoms sound about the same.
[10:32:25] <JonathanThompson> (At least thus far from limited information)
[10:32:50] <DaaT_> or try gutsy
[10:32:54] <JonathanThompson> Similar motherboard age at the time of problems, and seems universal (at some point or another) at not allowing other non-Windows OS's to start up, and causing Windows problems.
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[10:33:06] <brycegroff> has the build been broken for anyone as of yesterday ish
[10:33:23] <Ingenu_> C2D E6600, 1*2GB+2*2GB different brand, ASUS P5K Intel P35 chipset
[10:33:31] <Ingenu_> GF8800GTS 640MB
[10:33:37] <Ingenu_> SB X-Fi
[10:33:38] <JonathanThompson> I knew for certain what the problem was on my motherboard once it got bad enough that the BIOS stopped Windows 98 cold in its tracks and reported a memory parity error.  By that time, I pretty much couldn't boot BeOS.
[10:34:00] <stargater> cu
[10:34:05] <Ingenu_> I ran memtest for 45minutes w/o any error
[10:34:05] <JonathanThompson> The thing is, at that time, I wasn't using memory that COULD report a parity error.
[10:34:34] <Ingenu_> ECC ?
[10:34:35] <JonathanThompson> If it's what happened in my case, I assure you, your RAM may be fine, and will pass with flying colors.
[10:34:40] <JonathanThompson> I didn't have ECC at the time :P
[10:35:06] <JonathanThompson> The interrupt controller went haywire: that's the logical conclusion.
[10:35:25] <JonathanThompson> Thus, it generated spurious interrupts that caused the OS's to get rather confused.
[10:35:46] <JonathanThompson> BeOS generated problems quicker because it uses more aggressive interrupts for timing.
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[10:36:14] <JonathanThompson> When the parity error problem presented itself, it was obvious a NMI was being generated with no good explanation.
[10:36:42] <Ingenu_> mmh
[10:36:52] <Ingenu_> what can I do to diagnose the problem ?
[10:36:56] <JonathanThompson> That's what a PC that has parity checking/ECC setup is supposed to do when it detects an error it can't correct automatically: stop you dead with an NMI and not allow you to continue with bad data.
[10:37:04] <Ingenu_> gonna try Ubuntu 7.10 but I'm not too sure it will work
[10:37:23] <JonathanThompson> Well, if it is indeed the interrupt controller, the harder you push it, the more likely it will fail quickly.
[10:37:45] <JonathanThompson> I'm thinking playing a heavy-duty networked video game would do wonders for it :P
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[10:38:27] <JonathanThompson> Also, just stuff that pushes I/O heavily as well.
[10:38:56] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps you have a more specialized error, like a specific peripheral going haywire, perhaps a drive controller.
[10:39:34] <JonathanThompson> Anything generating spurious interrupts will generally hose a system into working in a rather unpredictable manner.  I've also seen drive controllers go haywire and effectively hose a computer.
[10:40:10] <JonathanThompson> You're also sure you have a stable and sufficient power supply?  Inadequate power supplies could also cause bad behavior.
[10:40:55] <Ingenu_> I can play several hours of Team Fortress 2 or Half-Life 2 or Portal w/o a single lock
[10:41:08] <Ingenu_> and fresh boot, then watch a video with VLC an lock like a shit
[10:41:17] <JonathanThompson> I see.
[10:41:21] <JonathanThompson> Interesting.
[10:41:41] <dr_evil> then the problem might be overlay related
[10:41:43] <JonathanThompson> Video hardware: slot or built-in?
[10:41:59] <dr_evil> buggy graphics driver perhaps
[10:41:59] <Ingenu_> GF8800GTS 640MB, PCI Express, slot
[10:42:16] <JonathanThompson> Do you by chance have another video card you can swap that with to verify?
[10:42:20] <Ingenu_> changed drivers a lot, always using latest
[10:42:24] <Ingenu_> (beta or WHQL)
[10:42:28] <Ingenu_> doesn't change anything
[10:42:37] * JonathanThompson wouldn't be surprised if the drivers are buggy there
[10:42:38] <Ingenu_> mmh
[10:42:51] <Ingenu_> yeah I have an old Matrox Mystique 2MB somewhere ^^
[10:42:56] <JonathanThompson> But also, that sounds like one hefty card, and hte PSU thing might matter...
[10:43:21] <JonathanThompson> And perhaps the hardware of the card is flaky on just a few things.
[10:43:36] <Ingenu_> it's a Seasonic PSU connected to a thingy to make power nice (no clue how it's called in english)
[10:43:51] <Ingenu_> AFAIR it's a 450W or 500W PSU
[10:43:56] <JonathanThompson> Surge suppressor?
[10:44:01] <JonathanThompson> Line conditioner?
[10:44:03] <dr_evil> whar brand?
[10:44:09] <dr_evil> what brand?
[10:44:18] <Ingenu_> does everything, with a battery as backup and all
[10:44:28] <JonathanThompson> Ah, UPS.
[10:44:37] <JonathanThompson> Uninterruptable Power Supply.
[10:44:39] <Ingenu_> yeah that's it
[10:44:50] <Ingenu_> nitram is the brand of the UPS
[10:45:00] <Ingenu_> protects against lightning, power surge...
[10:45:13] <dr_evil> no i meant the psu
[10:45:18] <Ingenu_> even the network cable goes through that thing
[10:45:26] <Ingenu_> Seasonic PSU
[10:45:29] <JonathanThompson> And you're certain it can supply continuous current suitable to the load with it being stable?
[10:45:39] <JonathanThompson> I know that may sound like an odd question...
[10:45:46] <Ingenu_> Seasonic M12
[10:45:50] <Ingenu_> (M for Modular)
[10:46:06] <JonathanThompson> (C for Cookie, which is good enough for me)
[10:46:09] <Ingenu_> yes JonathanThompson
[10:46:15] <Ingenu_> I can see its load
[10:46:18] <Ingenu_> it says 33%
[10:46:35] <Ingenu_> 32% atm
[10:46:40] <JonathanThompson> I'm leaning towards video hardware defect, Ingenu_.
[10:47:08] <JonathanThompson> Why?  Windows reacts strangely with VLC, and Linux doesn't boot, and I would be surprised if Linux doesn't support that hardware.
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[10:47:41] <JonathanThompson> (Definitely in safe mode)
[10:47:42] <Ingenu_> mmh
[10:47:51] <Ingenu_> I feared so
[10:48:00] <Ingenu_> it's quiet an expensive piece of hardware at that
[10:48:09] <Ingenu_> especially when I bought it originally
[10:48:12] <JonathanThompson> Granted, I may be wrong... but that's the best I can tell you with the information you've presented.
[10:48:40] <JonathanThompson> I wouldn't be surprised if it's a thermal issue, too, considering just what that is.
[10:48:41] <Ingenu_> I had the same problem with linux with the same hardware except 2*2GB RAM less and another Mobo
[10:48:57] <Ingenu_> so it tends to confirm your point
[10:48:58] <JonathanThompson> Same video hardware?
[10:49:00] <Ingenu_> yes
[10:49:11] <JonathanThompson> That does tend to confirm it, yes :P
[10:49:12] <Ingenu_> all the same, I borked the BIOS of the previous mobo, made it changed
[10:49:31] <JonathanThompson> Is the card still under warranty?
[10:49:31] <Ingenu_> CPU is cool
[10:49:36] <Ingenu_> same for PSU
[10:49:41] <Ingenu_> not sure it is
[10:49:45] <Ingenu_> the card was rather hot
[10:49:59] <Ingenu_> strangely considering I've not played any game since I booted
[10:50:25] <JonathanThompson> That was one of the big reasons I wasn't wild about finally upgrading to a new video card in this system: almost nothing these days seems to run passively cooled.
[10:50:46] <Ingenu_> indeed
[10:51:01] <Ingenu_> well I think I've seen 7900GS board with passive cooling
[10:51:04] <Ingenu_> just a radiator
[10:51:20] <JonathanThompson> Well, without going to special extremes :)
[10:51:23] <Ingenu_> granted it's no the latest hardware, it's still pretty good
[10:51:59] <JonathanThompson> I'd swap out that current card with something else (hopefully with Vista x64 drivers) and run the same things and find out the behavior.  I suspect Linuxs would also be happier, too.
[10:52:29] <DaaT_> i fear installing ATI's driver here
[10:52:40] <DaaT_> screwed up my opensuse 10.3 installation
[10:52:48] <DaaT_> so i won't do i there in gutsy, for the moment
[10:53:06] * JonathanThompson notes DaaT_ is not gutsy with gutsy
[10:53:29] <DaaT_> aye
[10:53:30] <JonathanThompson> Remember, DaaT_: not gutsy, no gory :)
[10:53:38] <JonathanThompson> Er, no gutsy, no gory :)
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[10:54:35] <JonathanThompson> I'd hate to be in your shoes with that card right now, Ingenu_, since IIRC that's practically top of the line, or at least it was in recent times, meaning expensive.
[10:56:47] <Ingenu_> yeah
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[10:57:12] <Ingenu> hopefully I'm always buying my hardware from the same place
[10:57:24] <Ingenu> so I think I can discuss the matter with the shopkeeper
[10:58:11] <JonathanThompson> I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if at least one other (if they sell many) have also had the same problem.
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[11:46:44] <DaaT_> hi
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[12:13:27] <eric__> hello, I'd like to install ncurses on haiku, I only have a .pkg file, is it possible to install it on haiku anyway ?
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[12:16:44] <eric__> ok, I'm reading on your forum that pkg are not supported yet it seems...
[12:18:45] <DaaT_> nope, not yet, don't think so
[12:19:08] <eric__> is it possible to unpack them from haiku anyway ?
[12:19:19] <eric__> in which format are they?
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[12:22:55] <Lelldorin1> no
[12:26:50] <Ingenu> any stable reliable user-friendly OS recommendations ?
[12:27:01] <Ingenu> (just tried Ubuntu but it has a problem with GF8)
[12:27:28] <eric__> what is gf8 ?
[12:28:02] <ekdahl> what is the problem?
[12:32:23] <eric__> I'd like to test some ncurses programs in haiku, but if I copy the libncurses.so from beosmax into haiku, haiku complains it can't find the beterm. Is there a build of ncurses for haiku ?
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[12:34:36] <eric__> it seems the Pingwinek version has it, but the system seems rather old (may 2007)
[12:37:02] <ekdahl> eric__: ncurses is in svn, built as a static library. I guess you could make a shared as well and use that
[12:37:41] <eric__> ah ok thank you !
[12:37:57] <ekdahl> see src/libs/ncurses
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[15:14:15] <dr_evil> DSL modem <-> router connection is now through a hub, and connected to a dedicated network card, where Wireshark (ehtereal) is capturing all the traffic
[15:16:10] <dr_evil> the pppoe traffic is properly captured
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[16:39:55] <stargater> cu later
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[17:07:37] <ddew|bofh> wow, my ego got obliterated :)
[17:07:52] <umccullough> yay!
[17:07:56] <ddew|bofh> ran into an ex in the store today
[17:08:22] <ddew|bofh> her and her gf
[17:08:30] <umccullough> oh.
[17:08:41] <ddew|bofh> not only do i repulse women, i turn them gay :P
[17:08:47] <umccullough> perhaps that's why she's your ex ;)
[17:09:10] <umccullough> "it would have never worked out..."
[17:09:20] <ddew|bofh> but still, it was like a proper kick in the gonads
[17:10:16] <ddew|bofh> ah well, being single rocks anyways. get tons of time over for important stuff :)
[17:10:59] <mats> :D
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[17:12:55] <ddew|bofh> hmm, wonder how much of a pita it'd be to get EFI running on this machine
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[17:14:12] * JonathanThompson points his finger and laughs uproariously at ddew|bofh
[17:14:56] <ddew|bofh> seriously, efi would rock
[17:15:05] <umccullough> ddew|bofh, huh?
[17:15:12] <umccullough> get haiku running on EFI?
[17:15:36] <umccullough> booting from anyway...
[17:15:51] <ddew|bofh> get my board running on EFI. although getting haiku booting from it would be nice too :)
[17:16:00] <umccullough> damn, another russian is beating me on Dimes today - so i'm in 4th place for today
[17:16:13] <umccullough> Vista supports EFI now right?
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[17:16:32] <JonathanThompson> I think just Vista x64.
[17:16:56] <umccullough> that's a start :)
[17:17:11] <ddew|bofh> which is kinda logical seeing how intel only support efi on 965+
[17:17:13] * JonathanThompson laughs at his BeOS installation automatically adjusting for daylight savings that's no longer set the same way in the US as it used to be when Be existed
[17:18:10] <JonathanThompson> I can't help but wonder if the legislators considered what sort of hairball effect there'd be in the more computerized infrastructure by changing those dates around.
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[17:18:51] * umccullough rubs hands together as he prepares 10 more VMs
[17:19:10] <JonathanThompson> How many cores are you running them on?
[17:19:11] <ddew|bofh> DST isn't exactly the biggest problem in the world. i imagine y2k and the upcoming unix date-thingy is/was more important to worry about
[17:19:29] <umccullough> JonathanThompson, i suspect beos probably allows you to reconfigure the timezones :)
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[17:19:45] <JonathanThompson> It does allow me to turn off observance of DST :)
[17:19:54] * Thom_Holwerda waves
[17:19:57] <umccullough> JonathanThompson, i mean the tzconfig stuff should be in there somewhere
[17:20:01] <umccullough> as in, text files
[17:20:33] <umccullough> hi Thom_Holwerda
[17:20:39] <Thom_Holwerda> hi
[17:20:40] <JonathanThompson> Hmmmm... I guess it only gave me that option in the Preferences for Indiana.
[17:20:43] <Thom_Holwerda> all well?
[17:21:16] <ddew|bofh> so the us didn''t switch to dst last night?
[17:21:20] <umccullough> Thom_Holwerda, that's an innocent-seeming question ;)
[17:21:21] <ddew|bofh> (or tonight)
[17:21:33] <umccullough> we switch first sunday of november now :(
[17:21:34] <JonathanThompson> They've changed the date (I think it is) to November 4th, ddew|bofh.
[17:21:54] <JonathanThompson> I remember this being something that was tested when I was working the Coinstar contract :P
[17:21:57] <ddew|bofh> wow, how annoying :P
[17:22:26] <umccullough> I'll be interested to see how many people show up late for work tomorrow ;)
[17:22:47] <JonathanThompson> Should be the other way around :P
[17:22:50] <dr_evil> that would be early fort work
[17:22:52] <JonathanThompson> Oh, wait...
[17:23:07] <umccullough> hmm...
[17:23:21] <JonathanThompson> Yeah, if they think to change tonight, 1 hour late.
[17:23:52] <umccullough> right because they'll have set their clocks back and sleep in an extra hour when DST doesn't end for another week
[17:25:05] <JonathanThompson> Now imagine all the poor confused international travelers that for so many years, knew when DST went into effect, but didn't hear/remember the change of dates :P
[17:28:39] <umccullough> funny, a bottled drink called "Accelerade" shows up in a google syndication ad on a distributed-computing website
[17:29:14] <umccullough> guess it worked, cuz i clicked on it ;)
[17:30:11] <umccullough> lol, "strongest folding chair in the world" also shows up ...funny
[17:32:28] <JonathanThompson> Gotta love those keyword-based ad placements :P
[17:33:09] <JonathanThompson> If I had a site with google ads, I'd likely post stuff on there with all sorts of unusual topics and names in there, just to see what would be placed.
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[17:41:51] <Purposeless> anything new on who's now in charge of Haiku?
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[17:49:44] <Thom_Holwerda> "a computer icon is a pictorial representation of an action a computer can perform, an object (file, device, etc.), or an application."
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[17:49:56] <Thom_Holwerda> a definition i just wrote down for an article
[17:49:59] <Thom_Holwerda> any good?
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[19:17:59] <stargater> hi Mr. m68k
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[19:24:15] <mmu_man> plop
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[20:52:36] <DocPheniX> hmm
[20:52:43] <DocPheniX> rather quiet in here today
[20:54:46] * MrSunshine starts singing loudly and out of control
[20:55:20] <DocPheniX> lol
[20:55:47] * umccullough hums along
[20:58:37] <geist> hmm
[20:58:40] <geist> that's weird
[20:58:52] <geist> ah, never mind. screen glitch
[20:59:17] <stargater> hi geist
[20:59:44] <stargater> mm_man makes haiku ready for m68k :-)
[20:59:52] <geist> yeah, saw that
[21:00:13] <dr_evil> hi geist
[21:01:34] * dr_evil has these strange DSL disconnect problems that only happen on weekends and official holidays
[21:02:19] <geist> hmm, my terminal session via screen is glitching like crazy on this channel
[21:02:23] <JonathanThompson> If I didn't know you didn't live in the US, and I didn't know you had DSL, I wouldn't be surprised if Comcast were involved :)
[21:02:44] <geist> wonder if it's the leopard terminal, or just some bad state in screen + irssi
[21:02:53] <cps1966>  or verizon
[21:02:57] <geist> it's only on this channel, which leads me to believe it's the latter
[21:03:02] <JonathanThompson> What's been your observation of Leopard thus far, geist?
[21:03:30] <geist> mostly positive. the spaces desktop thingy is making me pretty mad though
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[21:03:41] <JonathanThompson> Why is that?
[21:03:48] <JonathanThompson> (Spaces)
[21:03:55] <dr_evil> JonathanThompson I'm not sure, but it might only happen under heavy (down-)load. I'm capturing the whole traffic between modem and router now, split into 256MB files. Got 23 GB already, but the problem didn't reappear so far
[21:04:06] <geist> its hard to explain, but it basically swaps the apps out from underneath you when you switch desktops
[21:04:20] <geist> ie, if there's no window open on the desktop you're switching to it'll deactivate that app
[21:04:31] <geist> it's trying to force you to put all the windows for one app on one desktop at a time
[21:04:33] <JonathanThompson> Yeah, that'd piss me off, too :)
[21:04:36] <geist> and there's no way to turn it off
[21:04:56] <umccullough> eek
[21:04:59] <dr_evil> annoying for sure
[21:05:17] <JonathanThompson> And when you say "deactivate" you mean close the window?
[21:05:23] <umccullough> "no way to turn it off" sounds like a gross oversight :/
[21:05:26] <geist> switch away from the app
[21:05:45] <geist> similarly, if you alt tab to an app that has no windows on the current desktop, it'll switch desktops
[21:06:14] <JonathanThompson> Well, the alt-tab thing makes sense.
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[21:06:23] <geist> except it's unacceptable to me
[21:06:42] <geist> I dont want switching desktops to have anything to do with what app has focus. I'll manage that myself
[21:06:43] <JonathanThompson> I believe that's how BeOS handles things, IIRC.
[21:06:51] <geist> no, I would have ripped my hair out of it did
[21:07:30] <JonathanThompson> It most certainly does: just tried it.
[21:07:39] <geist> wha?
[21:07:52] <JonathanThompson> I put Vision in a different workspace, and used control-tab to iterate through, and when I released, it switched me.
[21:08:04] <geist> is that stock beos or zeta or what?
[21:08:10] <JonathanThompson> Stock 5.03.
[21:08:20] <geist> wow. I'm surprised that didn't drive me nuts
[21:08:27] <geist> maybe there's a switch to turn it off
[21:08:44] <JonathanThompson> Not that I'm aware of, short of not using workspaces beyond one :)
[21:08:59] <geist> anyway, it's really annoying. I frequently spread terminals across 2 or 3 desktops
[21:09:07] <geist> and since in OSX they're all a single app
[21:09:17] <geist> it'll keep tyring to switch you back to the first desktop
[21:09:27] <geist> basically makes it useless. sigh.
[21:09:41] <geist> so I'm gonna hold off upgrading work machine until I can find a better solution
[21:09:55] <JonathanThompson> Can't you iterate through an app's windows with the tabbing?
[21:10:01] <geist> no
[21:10:16] <geist> that's not how OSX works. alt tab swaps applications
[21:10:17] <JonathanThompson> Well, then BeOS 5.03 has it beat there, then :)
[21:10:26] <geist> within the app you use alt-~
[21:10:33] <JonathanThompson> You can at least iterate through each BeOS app open window.
[21:10:45] <geist> macs definitely have a different concept of app vs window. guess you dont use a mac
[21:10:54] <geist> it takes a whiel to get used to, some people hate it, some are kay
[21:11:01] <JonathanThompson> Not in awhile with a newer one to any degree.
[21:11:15] <JonathanThompson> That is, I've only used OS X on store display computers.
[21:11:15] <geist> works fine for the most part, but breaks down in something like terminal, where you open one instance of it (one process) and each window is another terminal 'document'
[21:11:42] <JonathanThompson> I used Mac OS a long time ago in a work environment, but that was pre-OS X by quite a few years.
[21:11:44] <geist> so this spaces thing is trying to keep you to put all of an app on one desktop, which is probably a good idea for most folks
[21:11:56] <geist> makes it hard to lose windows
[21:12:08] <JonathanThompson> And I've briefly used my current Hackintosh in OS 9 (I think or was it 7.5) when not in BeOS.
[21:13:32] <JonathanThompson> One Mac thing I definitely don't like is the single button mouse: it tends to require more interesting keyboard/mouse combinations.  Fortunately, I know I can take a multibutton mouse and use that.
[21:14:14] <geist> no one uses single button mice
[21:14:20] <MangoFusion> oddly i installed ubuntu on my macbook. contemplating whether or not i should keep it or just upgrade to leopard :P
[21:14:27] <JonathanThompson> But yet, that's what's sold on them, new :P
[21:14:34] <geist> not any more
[21:14:49] <geist> except for laptops, but there is a gesture you can use for that
[21:14:54] <geist> two fingers down
[21:14:59] * JonathanThompson doesn't remember seeing a second button mouse on store display computers yesterday
[21:15:08] <geist> they come with mighty mice now
[21:15:17] <geist> does't look like a second button, but it is
[21:15:25] <JonathanThompson> Which to me, don't feel correct ergonomically.
[21:15:44] <geist> so that means you'd get your own mouse *anyway*
[21:15:50] <geist> in which case you'd get a multibutton
[21:15:58] <geist> so problem solved.
[21:16:15] <JonathanThompson> I'm most likely to get a Mac Mini, particularly because of the existing hardware I own, that, and the small footprint.
[21:16:31] <geist> yes, they're pretty cute
[21:16:39] <geist> biggest bummer to me is the hard drive is kind of slow
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[21:16:57] <JonathanThompson> I could put the thing up on top of my current system and it'd be almost a zero-footprint addition :P
[21:17:10] <JonathanThompson> Only 5400 RPM drives in them?
[21:17:39] <geist> yeah, laptop drives
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[21:17:58] <JonathanThompson> Well, I can't say I'm too surprised by that as an engineering choice for size and heat.
[21:18:13] <geist> well, a 3.5 gb drive is larger than the box
[21:18:23] <JonathanThompson> It seems to me it'd be nearly impossible with today's tech to get a Mac much smaller than those that's fully functional.
[21:18:24] <geist> so yeah. but with the core2s they definitely get a little hot
[21:18:31] <geist> so I think they're keeping the hard disk low
[21:18:42] <geist> 3.5" i mean
[21:19:35] <JonathanThompson> Well, I've already got a 250 GB USB2 drive as a side-effect of my first employer in this area, so if I can boot off and run off that, the drive problem for speed would be solved.
[21:19:39] <dr_evil> anyone can recommend a case for a 16 hdd RAID?
[21:20:00] <geist> JonathanThompson: depends on how fast it is. a lot of usb2 chipsets on the drives suck
[21:20:16] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps consider getting more than one case that handles fewer drives, and make sure it stacks, dr_evil.
[21:20:51] <JonathanThompson> IIRC the underlying drive itself is a Seagate.
[21:21:01] <geist> doesn't matter
[21:21:02] <JonathanThompson> That likely tells me nothing about the bridge, though.
[21:21:11] <geist> the interface is generally slower than the drive
[21:21:15] <IcePic> dr_evil: I'd recommend the ones allowing you to put 16 sata drives in, and get U320 scsi out.
[21:21:15] <geist> and I've seen it vary a lot
[21:21:27] <geist> also, macs love firewire a lot more when it comes to drives
[21:21:44] <JonathanThompson> I don't recall whether the drive I have also supports that.
[21:21:58] <IcePic> dr_evil: that way, you get performance, no issues with drivers and cheap storage.
[21:23:18] <dr_evil> IcePic I'll use a Areca ARC 1261ML controller
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[21:24:29] <dr_evil> just the case problem is still unresolved
[21:25:35] <IcePic> ok
[21:26:37] <dr_evil> perhaps an old used non-ATX server case, that can be modified
[21:26:38] <JonathanThompson> One thought I've had in mind, dr_evil, is to find a large PC tower case and use that.
[21:26:52] <JonathanThompson> Wow, talk about timing :P
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[21:27:16] <JonathanThompson> My current ATX case has 9 drive bays.
[21:27:25] <JonathanThompson> Externally-accessible.
[21:28:16] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps get two cases that can do 8 each, and use them stacked.
[21:28:28] <JonathanThompson> That'd likely be cheaper and easier to get than a single one that does all at once.
[21:28:55] <dr_evil> thanks, but that would be kind of bizar to use and look at
[21:29:22] <JonathanThompson> How many people have 16 drives in a RAID configuration at home??  Is that not bizarre for the common use case? :P
[21:29:56] <JonathanThompson> (This is at home, right?)
[21:30:07] <dr_evil> yes, thats the reason why you can't get cheap cases for them. The only existing commercial case seems to be JS-1500
[21:30:18] <[Katisu]> sounds like something involving video streaming
[21:30:30] <stargater> xterm and irssi have some problems with the colors in gnome terminal runs irssi fine
[21:30:51] <JonathanThompson> Well, dr_evil, my current case is an Enlight something, I can't remember the model, so look up their stuff.
[21:30:56] <JonathanThompson> Very solid case, easy to work in.
[21:31:22] <JonathanThompson> But, if you want to modify it, it'll be something that requires good power cutting tools: the cases are built like tanks.
[21:31:46] <JonathanThompson> (Perhaps they've modified what they sell since 2000 when I got this)
[21:31:59] <JonathanThompson> Or was it 1999.... whatever.
[21:33:12] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps you can find something on Craig's List (not sure if that's in use there) or eBay that'd fit, that's already been used.
[21:33:12] <dr_evil> I have access to a milling-maschine
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[21:33:54] <dr_evil> and to a laser-cutter
[21:34:18] <JonathanThompson> The first Enlight case I had was just slightly too small in one dimension for the first dual p3 motherboard, so I tried to take a hammer to it to bend it as I needed it: I nearly deafened myself, and didn't accomplish much :P
[21:36:17] <dr_evil> I'll try the ebay way
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[21:42:40] <AlienSoldier> anyone made a compilation for BONE from the instruction in the Transmission comment of the O.82 version?
[21:42:55] <AlienSoldier> comment on bebits i mean
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[22:02:37] <noph> does someone have the: nForceNIC_Zeta_0_2.zip file?
[22:02:45] <noph> seems like all the links are broken on the web
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[22:14:22] <TuneTracker> Does anyone know of a command line way to kill a alert that is "zombied?"
[22:14:31] <TuneTracker> kill -9 alert doesn't do it
[22:16:35] <TuneTracker> dr_evil Do you know of a way to do it?
[22:16:47] <TuneTracker> JonathanThompson ping
[22:18:04] <AlienSoldier> TuneTracker perhaps you can kill in in the tracker list of tread
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[22:18:50] <JonathanThompson> TuneTracker pong
[22:19:23] <JonathanThompson> Get the pid for it, and then kill it via that.
[22:19:42] <JonathanThompson> (I'll leave that as an exercise to the TuneTracker)
[22:19:47] <stargater> top
[22:19:52] <umccullough> bottom
[22:20:10] <stargater> kill <pid>
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[22:20:47] <TuneTracker> JonathanThompson Get the pid for it?  Gotta explain to the moron.
[22:21:15] <JonathanThompson> Look up pid kill grep in google
[22:21:46] <TuneTracker> JonathanThompson I will...thanks
[22:22:00] <TuneTracker> JonathanThompson How do you suppose this BeOS user got these pretty icons?
[22:22:00] <TuneTracker> http://www.geocities.com/hey68you/clear_calendar_screenshot_V2.png
[22:22:03] <cps1966> top will give you pid
[22:22:54] <JonathanThompson> ESP, TuneTracker :)
[22:23:13] <TuneTracker> thou speakest in riddles  :-)
[22:23:44] <MrSunshine> TuneTracker, ps -A should give you pids also
[22:27:30] * TuneTracker is trying to find a way to create a shutdown script that will kill any zombied alerts
[22:27:47] <TuneTracker> it needs to work automatically, no user intervention in finding the PID
[22:28:31] <MrSunshine> TuneTracker, does beos have pidof?
[22:28:37] <TuneTracker> looking
[22:28:37] <cps1966> script it then
[22:28:49] <TuneTracker> cps1966 I'm not clever that way  :-)
[22:28:57] <MrSunshine> kill -9 `pidof $name`
[22:29:02] <TuneTracker> mmm
[22:29:07] <TuneTracker> that looks promising
[22:29:13] * TuneTracker checks for pidof
[22:29:20] <TuneTracker> dang
[22:29:21] <TuneTracker> command not found
[22:32:22] <TuneTracker> good lord...just looked up pid kill grep in Google.  scary stuff
[22:32:57] <cps1966>  Pidof  finds  the  process id's (pids) of the named programs. It prints
[22:32:57] <cps1966>        those id's on the standard output. This program is on some systems used
[22:32:57] <cps1966>        in  run-level change scripts, especially when the system has a System-V
[22:32:57] <cps1966>        like  rc  structure.  In  that  case  these  scripts  are  located   in
[22:32:57] <cps1966>        /etc/rc?.d,  where  ?  is the runlevel.
[22:34:55] <TuneTracker> cps1966 Looks like I might be out of luck there...not in the BeOS 5 install
[22:34:58] <TuneTracker>  $ ps -ef|grep alert
[22:34:59] <TuneTracker>   144762        a:alert:22971  sem  15       0       0 a>             snd(12637160)
[22:34:59] <TuneTracker>  /bin/alert hi (team 22971) (uid 0) (gid 0)
[22:35:00] <TuneTracker>   144759                alert  sem  10       2       5 AlertSem(12637194)
[22:35:01] <TuneTracker>  /bin/grep alert (team 23004) (uid 0) (gid 0)
[22:35:07] <TuneTracker> That gets the ID I think.
[22:35:18] <TuneTracker> But I don't know how to pass that info to a kill
[22:35:22] <TuneTracker> scriptably that is
[22:35:45] <TuneTracker> oops, supper...bbl
[22:36:00] <TuneTracker> if anyone sees this while I'm gone and wants to post a hint, I'd be grateful!
[22:36:03] <TuneTracker> bbiab
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[22:54:12] <Hummin> is rudolf back?!
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[23:02:59] <umccullough> well, he's been committing here and there lately
[23:03:00] <umccullough> hey Serpentor!
[23:03:40] <Serpentor> Hello
[23:03:45] <Serpentor> actually here for a favor
[23:04:24] <Serpentor> does anyone have a GrandCentral invite they wouldn't mind sending to me?
[23:04:31] <umccullough> sure :)
[23:04:34] <umccullough> what email addr?
[23:05:24] <umccullough> oh, and it wants a first/last name for the invite too
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[23:58:33] <mmu_man> ..
[23:58:37] <mmu_man> grmbl
[23:58:47] <mmu_man> 68030 has a nice flexible mmu...
[23:58:58] <oco> but ?
[23:59:05] <mmu_man> but 68040 has a very restricted subset of it
[23:59:18] <mmu_man> hardcoded page directory structure
[23:59:23] <mmu_man> no spare register
[23:59:34] <geist> yeah
[23:59:41] <geist> was it external on the 030?
[23:59:43] <mmu_man> forced to use SRP even if it points to the same tree (no spare reg...)
[23:59:52] <mmu_man> geist: no it was on dye

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