October 27, 2007 
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October 27, 2007 [00:12:20] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[00:22:36] *** kad77 has joined #haiku[00:30:00] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[00:30:05] <miqlas> Re![00:30:49] <mmu_man> re[00:30:58] <mmu_man> split day[00:31:13] <rtghjgf> hi[00:31:14] <miqlas> Can somebody help to me? (php, css)[00:31:19] *** rtghjgf is now known as dr_evil[00:31:22] <dr_evil> it's me[00:31:37] <miqlas> Hello, Dr. Evil.[00:32:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[00:33:28] <MrSunshine_> (0x1fe-0x3a) to (0x1fe - 0x3a), <-- i dont get it? :P[00:33:32] <MrSunshine_> what am i missing? :)[00:33:39] <MrSunshine_> ahh the spaces? :P[00:36:14] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[00:36:37] <kad77> happy weekend, folks[00:36:51] <Anarchos> Can someone help me with installing R5.0.3 ? All is working as desired, except Terminal which crashes in KDL when i launch it[00:38:50] *** franxico has joined #haiku[00:40:07] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[00:41:38] *** Stargater has quit IRC[00:47:05] <AlienSoldier> Anarchos do you have insane amount of ram?[00:53:09] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[00:56:03] *** Exitium has joined #haiku[00:57:12] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[00:57:59] *** Atomozero has quit IRC[00:58:58] *** rhu has quit IRC[01:03:34] *** stargater has joined #haiku[01:03:37] <stargater> re[01:07:36] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[01:07:55] *** Exitium has quit IRC[01:08:16] <franxico> darn just bought a microSD card, but my cell phone didn't like it[01:08:47] <franxico> it tries to format it, but gives me an error :P[01:08:49] <franxico> sucker[01:11:44] *** rhu has joined #haiku[01:16:26] *** Exitium has joined #haiku[01:16:34] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[01:18:50] *** rdmr has quit IRC[01:20:32] *** acidx has joined #haiku[01:22:35] *** Exitium has quit IRC[01:29:47] *** brycegroff has joined #haiku[01:32:03] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[01:40:31] *** wildur has quit IRC[01:49:49] <mmu_man> zz[01:49:51] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:52:52] *** Euver has quit IRC[02:00:40] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[02:07:43] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[02:09:02] *** mats has joined #haiku[02:11:56] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[02:12:43] <TuneTracker> Is there anything in the following that would be too ZETA'ish to run under BeOS 5?[02:12:44] <TuneTracker> df | grep bfs | sed 's/ *bfs.*//' | xargs reindex -rfv[02:12:52] <TuneTracker> For some reason, it doesn't seem to do anything.[02:12:52] <MrSunshine_> haiku going for radeonhd sometime? :P[02:14:21] *** oco has quit IRC[02:23:51] *** franxico has quit IRC[02:24:44] <DeadYak> TuneTracker: you'd need to download reindex[02:24:50] <DeadYak> TuneTracker: that wasn't a builtin tool in R5[02:25:12] <TuneTracker> DeadYak Actually it is on max though. I have it here.[02:25:40] <TuneTracker> Sorry, didn't mention I was using BeOS Max version[02:26:09] <DeadYak> ah[02:26:11] <DeadYak> brb, phone[02:39:14] <stargater> iPhone[02:39:23] <DeadYak> no thanks[02:40:37] <stargater> hehe[02:46:13] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[02:51:28] *** Sopwith has quit IRC[02:58:11] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[02:59:21] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[03:06:47] *** insomnia_ is now known as insomnia[03:09:45] *** mmadia is now known as mmadia_[03:32:25] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[03:35:15] *** Cube-ness has joined #haiku[03:36:05] * Cube-ness eats a large pineapple in lieu of dinner[03:37:38] *** geist has joined #haiku[03:37:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o geist[03:43:24] *** M199 has joined #haiku[03:44:59] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[03:52:18] *** stargater has quit IRC[03:56:10] <ddew|bofh> awesome, looks like fApple finally did something right[03:56:17] <ddew|bofh> Leopard is great[03:56:24] <ddew|bofh> *Apple[03:56:34] *** insomnia has left #Haiku[03:56:41] <DeadYak> yes, yes it is[03:57:45] * Cube-ness heats some water to somewhere between shrimp-eyes and crab-eyes[03:57:46] <geist> excellent[03:58:08] *** M_199 has quit IRC[03:59:00] <ddew|bofh> hopefully it'll stay snappy and not bog down after some use[03:59:30] <Cube-ness> so what stands out about leopard?[04:00:36] <ddew|bofh> speed being the first, a proper ui (consistent that is), better I/O system[04:01:51] <geist> shoudl be a little smoother on big smp boxes[04:02:07] *** urnenfeld has left #haiku[04:02:08] <geist> more stuff was threaded, the scheduler was rewritten[04:02:17] <Cube-ness> geist: you used to work at apple right?[04:02:36] <geist> yes[04:02:57] <Cube-ness> can i ask why you left?[04:03:07] <Cube-ness> as a matter of curiousity[04:03:13] <geist> i didn't like the politics, it was very nasty[04:03:18] <Cube-ness> ah.. right[04:03:32] <geist> was making me an unhappy person[04:03:38] <geist> and life is too short to be unhappy[04:03:39] <Cube-ness> yeah..[04:03:58] <Cube-ness> sucks when the completely not-real aspects of life ruin an otherwise nice reality[04:20:50] *** NeoOokami has joined #haiku[04:31:01] *** pyCube_ has joined #haiku[04:31:02] *** Cube-ness has quit IRC[04:54:01] *** miqlas has quit IRC[05:14:32] *** Darknesss has quit IRC[05:14:36] *** kad77 has quit IRC[05:37:58] *** Darknesss has joined #haiku[05:43:07] *** Darknesss has quit IRC[05:56:02] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[06:07:24] *** mmadia_ has quit IRC[06:37:31] *** NeoOokami has quit IRC[06:38:21] *** pyCube_ has quit IRC[06:47:05] *** acidx has quit IRC[06:50:51] <DeadYak> geist: evening :)[06:58:50] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[07:02:39] <Kokito> howdy[07:02:46] <Kokito> slow friday?[07:03:20] <DeadYak> kinda[07:03:24] * DeadYak pets Kokito[07:04:10] <Kokito> hey DeadYak[07:04:14] <DeadYak> how's it going?[07:04:48] <Kokito> not bad[07:06:25] *** cps1966 has joined #haiku[07:06:30] *** frodobeg86 has quit IRC[07:06:31] <DeadYak> good good[07:06:45] <Kokito> testing pidgin in XP[07:06:48] <DeadYak> ah[07:06:57] <DeadYak> that's my IM client in Windows[07:07:00] <Kokito> works well, but does not do inline input in Japanese[07:07:09] <DeadYak> um...yes it does[07:07:30] <Kokito> really?[07:07:39] <Kokito> in windows?[07:07:40] <DeadYak> works for me anyways[07:07:41] <DeadYak> yes[07:07:45] <Kokito> hmmm...[07:07:53] <Kokito> does not here[07:08:10] <Kokito> everytime I start writing in Japanese, it pops an input window[07:08:29] <DeadYak> it has some glitches[07:08:46] <DeadYak> yeah, I did notice that[07:08:51] <DeadYak> I thought you meant it didn't work whatsoever[07:09:49] <Kokito> you can enter Japanese, but it does not do what's called "inline input" (that is, directly into the text control)[07:09:55] <DeadYak> *nod*[07:09:58] <DeadYak> yeah, ok[07:10:05] <DeadYak> GTK for windows seems a bit buggy[07:10:14] <Kokito> it's kinda wierd[07:10:25] <DeadYak> yeah, it has bugs with tooltips too[07:10:27] <cps1966> no windows is buggy[07:10:30] <Kokito> you have to keep your eyesight going back and forth[07:10:38] <DeadYak> cps1966: GTK/Windows is seriously buggy[07:11:06] <cps1966> its the platform not gtk[07:11:08] <DeadYak> bull[07:11:13] <DeadYak> everything else on the platform works fine[07:11:28] <Kokito> XP is a fine OS[07:11:35] <cps1966> try gimp then[07:11:40] <DeadYak> why? gimp sucks[07:11:49] <DeadYak> and gimp is also GTK-based I might add[07:12:01] <cps1966> well try it then[07:12:05] <DeadYak> what about it?[07:12:12] <DeadYak> what would that prove?[07:12:27] <cps1966> that its not gtk[07:12:30] <DeadYak> ummmm[07:12:38] <DeadYak> running another GTK app to see the same bugs would prove it's not GTK how?[07:12:49] <DeadYak> tooltips work fine in everything else, just in Pidgin they get stuck if you alt-tab out of the app while one's showing[07:13:03] <DeadYak> japanese IME works fine everywhere else, just in Pidgin it pops up over the menu bar[07:13:08] <DeadYak> how is this a windows bug again?[07:13:09] <geist> poop?[07:13:19] <Kokito> LOL[07:13:20] <DeadYak> geist: hiya[07:13:31] <geist> glorp?[07:13:37] <DeadYak> geist: how's life?[07:13:48] <geist> I HAVE NO LIFE[07:13:50] <DeadYak> lol[07:13:54] <DeadYak> you and me both :P[07:14:28] <DeadYak> geist: off the wall question, any idea if the more powerful GPUs in the MacBook Pros have much in the way of benefits for Quartz itself or just games? as compared to the integrated video in a regular MacBook that is[07:14:31] <Kokito> anybody whos is here on a Friday night does not have a life :P[07:14:55] <cps1966> oh kde4 is great[07:15:48] <geist> well, one thing I have noticed is the quality of the alphablending isnt' as good on my macbook (just got one for work)[07:16:03] <geist> it looks like the bit depth is seriously downsampled when doing blending[07:16:10] <DeadYak> geist: what about things like Expose?[07:16:12] <geist> i have no idea if that's a tweak to make it run fast enough, or something[07:16:19] <DeadYak> ah[07:16:27] <geist> seems to do a decent enough job, up until it runs out of video ram[07:16:39] <geist> though I guess the intel integrated has no video ram[07:16:47] <DeadYak> afaik 64MB shared[07:16:49] <geist> so it probably makes a performance difference[07:17:03] <geist> technically it steals memory cycles, liek all integrated video ram designs[07:17:06] <DeadYak> right[07:17:22] <DeadYak> I just wondered if it's enough of a performance hit for non-game stuff to make the Pro worthwhile[07:17:35] * Kokito listens to Marcelo Alvarez & Salvatore Licitra in DUETTO[07:17:50] <geist> well, I have both now, so i'll tell you what I think[07:18:04] <DeadYak> seriously tempted by Leopard[07:18:21] <geist> macbook: thicker, smaller screen, much nicer keyboard than the pro[07:18:27] <geist> the black one looks great[07:18:34] <DeadYak> yeah, I was leaning towards the black one[07:18:42] <geist> slower (2.16 gz vs 2.4 or so)[07:18:43] <DeadYak> I do like the overall design of the regular MacBook better[07:18:51] <geist> yeah, I love it actually[07:18:58] <geist> the biggest downside is the low rez screen[07:18:58] <DeadYak> don't really like the metal style of the pros[07:19:02] <DeadYak> yeah[07:19:05] <geist> and the keyboard kicks ass[07:19:20] <geist> however, if you';re in a tethered situation, you can drive an external monitor at presumably high rez[07:19:27] <DeadYak> right[07:19:28] <geist> doesn't have the silly mirroring limitation it previously did[07:19:38] <geist> speed wise it's somewhat slower, but that's to be expected[07:19:55] <DeadYak> yeah but even a 2.16GHz C2D would blow away anything else I've got here hardware-wise[07:19:56] <geist> oh also, you can only put 2GB in a macbook[07:20:09] <geist> the mbps will go up to atleast 4[07:20:22] * DeadYak nods[07:20:34] <DeadYak> not sure I'd be doing much with a laptop that would need >2 though[07:20:50] <geist> probably not, but you should get it upgraded to 2 definitely[07:20:59] <DeadYak> *nod*[07:21:20] <geist> lemme see what the memory layout is[07:21:23] <geist> chip wise[07:21:41] <geist> hmm, says it has two banks of 1GB[07:21:42] *** frodobeg86 has joined #haiku[07:21:43] <DeadYak> 2 slots[07:21:45] <DeadYak> yeah[07:21:49] <DeadYak> if you order with 1GB it comes with 2x512[07:21:54] <geist> oh damn[07:21:59] <DeadYak> that's what I said[07:22:05] <DeadYak> I'm guessing it does it in pairs only[07:22:08] <geist> that sucks, because you pay about 2x as much for the sticks when you buy it from apple[07:22:13] <DeadYak> exactly :/[07:22:50] <DeadYak> which would put a black one at USD1650 for me[07:22:52] <DeadYak> (+ tax)[07:22:58] <geist> anyway, I haven't benchmarked them, but presumably these two machines are almost the same speed (2.33ghz, 667 bus vs 2.16ghz, 667 bus)[07:23:07] <geist> I have an older mbp[07:23:32] * DeadYak nods[07:23:37] <DeadYak> older as in pre-C2D?[07:23:54] <geist> no, it's C2D, but it isn't the newer faster bus[07:23:58] <DeadYak> ahh[07:24:01] <geist> now the mbps are multiples of 800 I believe[07:24:04] <geist> 2.2, 2.4, etc[07:24:21] <DeadYak> speaking of busses...any idea when Intel's first CSI-based MBs are coming out?[07:24:24] <geist> nope[07:25:32] <AlienSoldier> i think they renamed csi now, forget the new official name[07:25:37] <AlienSoldier> *forgot[07:25:45] <geist> AwesomeBUS++[07:26:36] <DeadYak> QuickPath[07:26:43] <AlienSoldier> thats it[07:27:00] <geist> hah, at least they're not doing the <blah>: the <blah blah> like all movies and games are doing now[07:27:08] <geist> I hate that. cheezy. pick a real title fuckers[07:27:17] <DeadYak> SystemBus: the Reckoning[07:28:13] <AlienSoldier> 45nm: the final showdown[07:28:34] <DeadYak> speaking of...Penryn production plant just went online[07:30:09] <AlienSoldier> (insert Mortal Kombat voice) 32nm hype can begin![07:33:58] *** Kokito has left #haiku[07:35:42] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[07:41:12] <etteyafed> I am very excited to see what will come of the Eagle vs Calpella showdown. Some awesome potential there. I think I might just wait till then to buy my next laptop.[07:45:17] <DeadYak> geist: thanks for the info in any case :)[07:45:18] <pyCube> ?[07:45:49] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[07:45:57] <pyCube> whats eagle and calpella?[07:46:28] *** DocPheniX has joined #haiku[07:46:31] <DocPheniX> hmm[07:46:38] <Begasus> morning peeps[07:46:51] <DocPheniX> just converted a raw nightly image to virtualbox .vdi[07:47:00] <DocPheniX> i get kernel debuger :s[07:47:24] * DocPheniX ads haiku channel to his autojoin[07:47:47] <DocPheniX> morning Begasus[07:47:49] <DocPheniX> btw[07:49:34] <Begasus> morning DocPheniX[07:55:31] <etteyafed> Eagle is amd's next gen notebook platform and calpella is intel's i think due out late next year - early 2009 eagle will have the fusion cpu and calpella will have the penryn successor nehalem[07:56:04] <etteyafed> nehalem will be C2D with HT and some power goodies[07:57:47] <AlienSoldier> would even be better if those were starting to do spintronic stuff[08:00:22] <pyCube> maybe that would mean more if i knew what fusion, penryn, nehalem, c2d and ht was[08:00:34] <etteyafed> Maybe in 5 years, less for RAM i bet[08:00:53] *** brycegroff has quit IRC[08:03:46] <pyCube> i suppose i dont care about hw beyond , "my computer works, and its not slow for things that i ask it to do"[08:04:00] <etteyafed> Nehalem will be released in another 8 mos. Intel CPU arch. Biggent changes to x86 since pentium. 4 and 8 core, HT, Quickpath bus (replaces FSB), 45nm, notebook, server, and desktop versions[08:05:20] <pyCube> all that stuff sounds like "you get to buy a bunch of new things that replace things you already have to work just fine"[08:05:21] <etteyafed> eagle is amd's new cpu due out in 10-16 mos will have among other things a GPU and shader functions on die also quad core for notebooks[08:05:36] <pyCube> that work just fine[08:06:34] <AlienSoldier> i don't consider computer consuming 100W and up "running just fine" :P[08:06:42] <etteyafed> pyCube: Maybe, or keep what you have and don't buy anything. I personally think that if I want the extra features for the cost i will buy, if it is too much for not enough i won't. we do have a choice you know.[08:06:45] <pyCube> thren dont measure it[08:07:15] <pyCube> i am not judging anybody for wanting new fancy stuff[08:07:34] <pyCube> i am sure its neat[08:07:53] <pyCube> if you know how to measure the differences between newest fancy stuff and last years fancy stuff[08:07:59] <pyCube> ..and then care[08:08:32] <etteyafed> yeah. the new cpu's are supposed to be doing amazing things with power mgmt and low power req. imagine the usual 2-4 hrs battery time on 4 cores![08:08:45] <pyCube> ...[08:08:46] <pyCube> heh[08:08:47] <geist> pyCube: oh dont be that party pooper[08:08:58] <pyCube> geist: sorry.. didnt mean ta poop[08:09:01] <pyCube> hehe[08:09:04] <geist> if you dont get excited about something, then at least let other people go on doing it[08:09:21] <pyCube> did i suggest anybody should stop?[08:09:40] <geist> it's like that one guy that inevitably kills the conversation about <last episode of tv show> by pointing out that he doesn't have a TV and it's a waste of time[08:09:45] <AlienSoldier> i think manufacturer should target a 24h laptop time, those 2-3 hour are ridiculous[08:10:50] <geist> ah, here it is: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28694[08:10:51] <etteyafed> Yeah, but i think that if we want desktopish power and uber long battery times we are being unreasonable. there needs to be a compermise[08:11:39] <pyCube> geist: i dont think i said anything was a waste of anything..just that i dont have any way to relate to the excitement[08:11:47] <geist> yeah, I know[08:12:28] <etteyafed> i would be quite happy with 6 hours of load time. Maybe with a NAND flash hd and silver matrix batteries it could be done. oh amd less hungry cpus[08:12:29] <AlienSoldier> i now surf the free PC wave, so i wont buy fancy stuff anyway :)[08:12:48] <etteyafed> AlienSoldier: What wave is that?[08:13:21] <AlienSoldier> you wait for 4 year old computer and you update it each year with another free one[08:14:06] <pyCube> however.. computers in general using less power is good.. i can relate to that in terms of us lessening our impact on the planet[08:14:10] <AlienSoldier> gonna get even better with multicore PC as they will make them obsolete faster[08:14:16] <etteyafed> Ahhh. I just came off that wave after I got done college[08:15:12] <pyCube> although, buying new hw all the damn time sorta has other impact[08:15:21] <etteyafed> I love my new toys, even if they are not the mose expensive ones, they are mine and what I wanted.[08:15:54] <etteyafed> Yeah, but mfgs are coming a long way with rhos and all[08:16:45] <etteyafed> rhos - mfg parts that don't use toxic or other nasty things durring the production of ir in their products[08:17:50] <pyCube> i bought something new and fancy.. an ipod nano[08:17:51] <pyCube> hehe[08:18:54] <etteyafed> I keep trying to justify getting myself an mp3 player.[08:20:00] <geist> if you dont want it, dont get it[08:20:06] <AlienSoldier> mp3 player are great, once of my best buy from the last 10 year[08:20:49] <AlienSoldier> i don't use it for music, just to read audio book while doing sport of outdoor work or long walk travel[08:21:38] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[08:25:02] <etteyafed> I want one but just don't think I will have time to use it. At work i just use my laptop with headphones. Iam almost allways either at work or at home.[08:28:03] <AlienSoldier> i also use mine as a USB keychain a lot[08:28:24] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[08:32:34] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[08:48:32] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[08:48:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[08:51:11] *** etteyafed is now known as etteyafed_[08:58:11] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[08:59:47] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[09:13:31] *** ekdahl has joined #haiku[09:24:19] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[09:31:00] *** begasus_ has joined #haiku[09:33:36] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[09:33:36] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[09:41:37] <ekdahl> quiet in here today..[09:42:33] <begasus_> plop[09:42:44] *** Begasus has quit IRC[09:42:55] *** begasus_ is now known as Begasus[09:43:02] <Begasus> there ;)[09:44:25] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[09:59:48] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[10:05:59] *** SunWuKung has joined #haiku[10:11:14] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[10:15:54] *** k-os has joined #haiku[10:20:29] *** stargater has joined #haiku[10:20:32] <stargater> moin[10:29:33] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[10:29:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[10:52:37] *** rtghjgf has joined #haiku[10:54:32] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[10:54:34] *** rtghjgf is now known as dr_evil[10:54:35] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[11:03:46] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[11:03:57] <plfiorini> hi[11:06:08] *** AlexC has joined #haiku[11:07:47] <dr_evil> wow http://cgi.ebay.de/SUN-Sunfire-6800-24-Prozessoren-32-GB-RAM-BJ-2004_W0QQitemZ110185013155QQihZ001QQcategoryZ65569QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem[11:08:02] *** k-os has quit IRC[11:34:21] *** AlexC__ has joined #haiku[11:35:38] *** AlexC has quit IRC[11:36:00] *** AlexC__ has quit IRC[11:36:13] *** AlexC has joined #haiku[11:39:40] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[11:39:51] *** rtghjgf has joined #haiku[11:43:51] *** Darknesss has joined #haiku[11:52:31] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[11:55:43] *** tqh has joined #haiku[11:57:56] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[11:58:27] *** stargater has quit IRC[12:01:54] *** AlexC has quit IRC[12:03:18] *** nils_t has quit IRC[12:03:55] *** Ingenu_ has joined #Haiku[12:07:52] *** MauriceK has joined #haiku[12:10:07] *** rtghjgf has quit IRC[12:13:48] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[12:16:19] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[12:19:31] *** Ingenu_ is now known as Ingenu[12:20:19] *** Darknesss has quit IRC[12:30:50] *** stippi has joined #haiku[12:30:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[12:30:52] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[12:31:37] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[12:31:54] <stippi> hi mmu_man[12:32:00] <mmu_man> plop[12:37:05] *** k-os has joined #haiku[12:38:24] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[12:38:27] <stippi> mmu_man:what's with all the 68k activity, have you won an Amiga or Atari or something? :-)[12:39:58] <stippi> with the fixed scheduler I have not had one mp3 hickup until now... nice[12:42:21] <k-os> where can i find a website filled with Haiku software? :)[12:42:45] <mmu_man> stippi: I have a Mac LC III[12:43:34] <petterhj> k-os: bebits.net and haikuware.com[12:43:47] <k-os> petterhj, thanks[12:44:05] <petterhj> bebits.com[12:44:14] <k-os> i know this might be a shot in the dark, but how is it with haiku and wirelss network cards?[12:45:06] <petterhj> it doesn't support wireless cards yet.[12:45:18] <k-os> ok[12:45:29] <k-os> i'll run it through vmware at the moment then[12:45:49] <k-os> it is possible to install it right? not just run it from a live cd?[12:46:51] <petterhj> There isn't any "official" release of any kind yet (LiveCD nor install cd), only vmware images and raw images (which you can install to disk though)[12:46:57] <stippi> mmu_man: Since when have you got that one?[12:47:18] <k-os> petterhj, ok, any ideas of when a full installable release might come?[12:47:29] <mmu_man> a month[12:47:40] <stippi> mmu_man: ?[12:47:41] <mmu_man> found at the local LUG[12:47:50] <stippi> mmu_man: cool[12:48:02] <mmu_man> it was in a cupboard... "you want it ? it's taking up space"[12:48:18] <stippi> k-os: Have a look at dev.haiku-os.org, look at roadmap and see the R1/alpha milestone.[12:48:39] <stippi> mmu_man: what 68k does it have?[12:48:50] <mmu_man> 030[12:49:01] <stippi> oh man, that's slow[12:49:27] <stippi> the 060 was somewhere near Pentium 60 MHz speed... but the 030...[12:49:28] <mmu_man> http://lowendmac.com/lc/lciii.shtml[12:49:36] <mmu_man> 25MHz :))[12:49:41] <stippi> yeah[12:49:50] <stippi> I had that in an Amiga 1200[12:50:01] <stippi> it was quite fast for AmigaOS...[12:50:18] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[12:50:35] <mmu_man> it's really for the l33t factor[12:50:40] <stippi> like I said... if you get Haiku working on that machine at any usable speed, we have achieved "instant-on" on anything else...[12:50:57] *** tqh has quit IRC[12:51:08] <mmu_man> I do'nt expect to be able to play an mp3[12:51:17] <mmu_man> (maybe on the falcon with a custom DSP media node :D)[12:51:20] <stippi> but it's good to have some ports to other architectures in the tree...[12:52:02] <mmu_man> actually there are players for the falcon...[12:52:08] <mmu_man> even an m68k port of ffmpeg :D[12:52:32] <mmu_man> yeah so far I didn't get any issue with portability[12:52:43] <mmu_man> means the HAL is well done[12:52:44] <stippi> that's nice[12:52:48] <stippi> yeah[12:53:03] <stippi> do you have any interest on picking up the PPC port to?[12:53:06] <stippi> too?[12:53:17] <mmu_man> I have an oldworld ppc Mac somewhere[12:53:25] <mmu_man> I'll have a look later[12:53:25] <stippi> oldworld?[12:53:44] <stippi> yeah, didn't mean to distract you... you seem to be having lot's of fun[12:53:48] <mmu_man> pre G3 (PCI but not OF)[12:53:57] <stippi> IC[12:54:08] <mmu_man> I first want to have m68k running, I'd like to have something to demo for Alchimie next week[12:54:17] <mmu_man> lot of Atari and Amiga fans there =)[12:54:23] <stippi> I guess that would be a lot of work again... all the PPC port is OF at the moment[12:54:34] <mmu_man> and as someone mailed me it would hit /.[12:54:47] <stippi> well, if you get Haiku running on some 68k machines, that#s gonna turn some heads... :-)[12:54:59] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[12:55:02] <mmu_man> at least I have ARAnyM to test[12:55:11] <stippi> do you plan to have everything running or just the shell or something?[12:55:11] <mmu_man> UAE doesn't support the mmu[12:55:14] <mmu_man> nor any other emu[12:55:29] <mmu_man> well, once the kernel works the rest should be easy[12:55:30] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[12:55:39] <mmu_man> I have libroot almost built[12:55:46] <stippi> easy maybe in comparison, but quite a lot of work still[12:55:48] <mmu_man> missing some math stuff[12:55:54] <mmu_man> the rest just doesn't link due to that[12:56:07] <stippi> I think the app_server drawing would have a lot of endianess issues to fix.[12:56:08] <mmu_man> Once the kernel is done[12:56:19] <mmu_man> and soem drivers it should be fast[12:56:27] <mmu_man> ah right[12:56:35] <mmu_man> well if it works on ppc...[12:56:36] <stippi> what do you mean, fast to do?[12:56:42] <mmu_man> or doesn't it yet ?[12:56:43] <mmu_man> yes[12:56:48] <stippi> works on PPC?! It's never got that far.[12:56:53] <mmu_man> ah ok :)[12:56:59] <mmu_man> well, more fun ahead then =)[12:57:07] <stippi> the PPC port was pushed by Ingo at the time[12:57:20] <stippi> and he did all the over network booting to get faster turnaround times[12:57:29] <stippi> but then he got stuck because TCP wasn't done at the time[12:57:33] <mmu_man> http://perso.orange.fr/didierm/ media players on Atari MiNT :))[12:57:40] <mmu_man> ah right for netboot[12:57:54] <stippi> I suppose you/he could pick itup again now, but it's in that state anyways.[12:58:25] <stippi> like the bootload is supposed to hand over to the kernel and that would need to load drivers via TCP[12:58:46] *** petterhj has quit IRC[12:58:49] <stippi> you should talk to Ingo anyways... I am on thin ice here with what I know[12:58:53] <mmu_man> tftp or something[12:58:57] <stippi> yes[12:59:10] <mmu_man> well, QEMU should be able to emulate ppc as well[12:59:19] <mmu_man> even emulates PREP (like BeBox :)[12:59:35] <Ed__> bebox == prep? :)[13:00:10] <mmu_man> http://www.bebox.nu/articles.php?s=articles/19951009-BeingThere[13:00:26] <stippi> Ed__: yes, pretty much as far as I know[13:00:35] <Ed__> okay :)[13:00:42] <mmu_man> Though the BeBox is based on the original PReP specification and uses a number of PReP-compatible chips, it should be noted the BeBox is not PReP-compliant and will not be able to run future PReP-compatible operating systems from Microsoft, IBM, Apple, or other vendors. The BeBox runs Be software, and that's it.[13:00:48] <mmu_man> well, sort of :)[13:01:15] <Ed__> did microsoft ever make prep software?[13:01:42] <Ed__> i thought they only did NT-Alpha once, but PPC? :)[13:01:58] <mmu_man> hmm there used to be a ppc port of NT yes[13:02:08] <Ed__> okay :)[13:02:09] <mmu_man> dunno about supported platform[13:02:52] <mmu_man> http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/ArticleID/2247/2247.html[13:03:12] <mmu_man> eh[13:04:00] <Ed__> that's the disadvantage of closed source platforms[13:04:14] <Ed__> a classmate of me was talking to me that `AMD64 is useless, because you can't do anything with it'[13:04:39] <Ed__> that's pretty odd, because Linux/BSD users are having a lot of fun with it the last couple of years[13:06:38] <Ed__> there are still a lot of folks who *want* to run vista 32 bits on their 64 bits box[13:08:34] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[13:08:43] <stippi> hi urnenfeld![13:09:38] <urnenfeld> hi stippi[13:09:52] <urnenfeld> :)[13:18:40] *** rdmr has quit IRC[13:25:42] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[13:29:41] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[13:33:37] <k-os> how do i open haiku in vmware? the vmdk file is not a vmware file?[13:35:13] <[Katisu]> need a vmx file[13:35:31] <[Katisu]> http://www.haikuhost.com/haiku.vmx[13:36:05] <k-os> i thought so, just wasn't sure where to find it[13:36:54] *** tqh has joined #haiku[13:38:52] <k-os> [Katisu], where do i go from there?[13:39:42] <k-os> nvm, figured it out :)[13:39:48] *** tqh has quit IRC[13:42:33] *** tqh has joined #haiku[13:43:01] *** rhu has quit IRC[13:44:10] *** stippi has quit IRC[13:44:50] *** dfghjk has joined #haiku[13:44:52] *** dfghjk is now known as dr_evil[13:44:55] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[13:45:58] <k-os> what's the name of the internet browser?[13:46:07] <k-os> if there is one :)[13:46:33] *** stippi has joined #haiku[13:46:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[13:47:14] <rennj> well if your running beos 5.0.3 then its netpositive 2.2.1[13:47:48] <Ingenu> you can download firefox from www.bebits.com[13:47:51] <rennj> ahh vmware[13:47:55] <Ingenu> (with netpositive)[13:47:56] <rennj> haiku[13:48:55] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[13:49:16] <rennj> #!/usr/bin/vmplayer config.version = "8" virtualHW.version = "6"[13:49:21] <rennj> but thats vmplayer2[13:49:29] <rennj> ehci usb[13:49:44] <rennj> i have not attempted ehci usb on beos, i use it in fbsd vm[13:50:41] <k-os> i am running it through vmware[13:50:49] <rennj> BeOS System was booted 4 days, 17 hours, 17 minutes, 44 seconds ago.[13:50:53] <k-os> there is not any browsers in the menu i see?[13:50:58] <rennj> timesync[13:51:01] <rennj> hehe ntp[13:51:11] <rennj> 4minutes every hour its fast[13:51:26] <rennj> dude if you want beos experence[13:51:27] <Ingenu> k-os, running Haiku ?[13:51:29] <rennj> run beosmax[13:51:34] <k-os> Ingenu, yes[13:51:34] <rennj> or beos personal edition[13:51:36] <Ingenu> then there's no browser[13:51:41] <k-os> how can i install one then?[13:52:01] <Ingenu> wget it maybe ?[13:52:06] <k-os> ok[13:52:22] <k-os> where do i find urls to imply with the wget command?[13:52:42] <Ingenu> mmh[13:52:47] <Ingenu> that's a good question[13:53:16] <k-os> can i download a program, put it on a usb pen and install from it?[13:53:33] <Ingenu> try this : http://www.bebits.com/bob/21350/firefox-2.0.0.8.en-US.beosR5-i586.zip[13:53:44] <Ingenu> ah yes that's an option k-os[13:53:55] <k-os> is usb pens mounted manually in Haiku? :)[13:54:00] <rennj> hehe[13:54:07] <Ingenu> no idea, never tried[13:54:08] <rennj> usb mass storage[13:54:09] <rennj> no[13:54:11] <rennj> god[13:54:15] <rennj> listen to me[13:54:18] <rennj> run beosmax[13:54:28] <rennj> or personal edition[13:54:51] <rennj> ohci uhci and usb mass storage support[13:54:56] <k-os> what is beosmax?[13:55:09] <rennj> vs of beos personal edition with all the patches[13:55:24] <rennj> beosmax does the patching for you[13:55:34] <k-os> is it a full os?[13:55:35] <rennj> its personal edition uptodate[13:55:38] <rennj> yeah[13:55:41] <rennj> has firefox[13:55:44] <rennj> has netpositive[13:55:52] <rennj> mp3 ogg software[13:55:53] <k-os> i thought beos was for business appliances and such, not for home/desktop use[13:55:58] <rennj> cdrom burning software[13:56:00] <rennj> tv apps[13:56:03] <rennj> paint[13:56:04] <Ingenu> that would be BeIA[13:56:09] <rennj> abiword i think[13:56:10] <stippi> k-os: where have you got that info for?[13:56:14] <stippi> from[13:56:15] <Ingenu> BeOS was a complete OS[13:56:27] <k-os> some smartguy at #beos[13:56:35] <rennj> vlc media player probaly[13:56:42] <k-os> "stick to Linux" he said when i asked if i could use BeOS for home/desktop[13:56:52] <Ingenu> stick to whatever you like[13:56:53] <rennj> i run my old beos system from circa 2000[13:56:58] <rennj> i got geekgadgets[13:57:01] <k-os> or was it QNX? hmmm[13:57:03] <rennj> gobeproductive[13:57:06] <rennj> personalstudio[13:57:07] <Ingenu> I wouldn't use Linux, I prefer to buy Windows. Maybe MacOS X...[13:57:12] <rennj> couple of games[13:57:19] <rennj> heh[13:57:19] <k-os> well, where can i get BeOS Max?[13:57:27] <rennj> use linux[13:57:28] <rennj> run vmplayer2[13:57:31] <rennj> ramos[13:57:36] <rennj> 290MB[13:57:44] <rennj> tmpfs unionfs squashfs[13:57:59] <rennj> i got 3 vm's on this laptop[13:58:05] <rennj> 77% cpu usage[13:58:41] <Begasus> hi rennj .. back in town I see ;)[13:58:59] <k-os> rennj, where do i download BeOS?[13:59:08] <Begasus> bebits;com k-os[13:59:13] <Begasus> bebits.com *[13:59:24] <k-os> thanks :)[13:59:24] <Begasus> or beosmax.org[13:59:33] <rennj> haiku website has link to beosmax[13:59:38] <rennj> use to anyway[13:59:44] <rennj> v3[13:59:49] <rennj> i think[14:00:07] <rennj> check this out[14:00:12] <k-os> what should i download here to get the right version?[14:00:29] <rennj> laptop harddrive is truecrypt with solaris fbsd beos vm flat-files just like esx uses[14:00:31] <k-os> BeOS PE 5 Max Edition V4 beta 1?[14:00:39] <Ingenu> that one should do[14:01:00] <rennj> then i have ramos with ati fglrx X server,vmplayer2,vncserver,fvwm2,flash/mplayer/firefox,xpdf[14:01:16] <rennj> thats all in 290MB squashfs[14:01:21] <rennj> those apps[14:01:33] <rennj> pvrusb2 driver for usb tv card[14:01:56] <rennj> fbsd vm owns the external 250GB usb drive which is encrypted with fbsd gbde[14:01:57] <k-os> BeOS PE 5 Max Edition V4 beta 1 is a full functional OS?[14:03:29] <rennj> dude you got to do some work[14:03:32] <rennj> learn to read[14:03:36] <rennj> hehe[14:03:42] <rennj> im not going to hand hold you[14:03:47] <rennj> i gave you the information[14:04:53] <k-os> rennj, a yes or no would do! ;)[14:10:46] *** SprMa has quit IRC[14:11:10] *** ekdahl has left #haiku[14:11:15] *** rhu has joined #haiku[14:11:35] <rennj> http://imagebin.org/11354[14:11:47] <rennj> you trying to have system like that k-os[14:11:49] <rennj> hehe[14:11:54] <rennj> striped usb drive[14:11:57] <rennj> keychains[14:12:00] <rennj> dual cpu[14:12:03] <rennj> beos[14:14:03] <rennj> my old box[14:14:09] <rennj> was sweet[14:14:51] <rennj> 4GB striped drive from 4 1GB usb keychains[14:14:57] <rennj> raid 0 of course[14:15:00] <rennj> speed[14:25:04] <TuneTracker> k-os[14:28:16] *** MauriceK has quit IRC[14:29:08] <rennj> jack burton we got big trouble in little china[14:29:21] <rennj> where did he go[14:35:15] *** wildur has quit IRC[14:36:05] *** mats has quit IRC[14:42:53] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[14:47:47] *** acidx has joined #haiku[14:48:32] *** nils_1 has joined #haiku[14:48:59] *** acidx has quit IRC[14:52:43] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[14:59:50] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[15:12:17] *** rdmr has quit IRC[15:15:12] *** tqh has quit IRC[15:20:30] *** stippi has quit IRC[15:30:22] <Begasus> cya peeps[15:30:36] *** Begasus has quit IRC[15:31:51] <rennj> Begasus has left the building[15:35:56] <etteyafed_> q[15:36:31] *** wildur has quit IRC[15:48:19] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[15:52:13] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[16:02:07] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[16:16:24] *** rdmr has quit IRC[16:17:38] *** rennj has quit IRC[16:19:54] <ddew|bofh> wow, leopards dtrace implementation is pretty slick. made it dead easy to fix a memleak in vlc :)[16:36:26] *** rennj has joined #haiku[16:45:46] *** emitrax has quit IRC[16:56:47] *** MrSunshine_ has quit IRC[17:08:33] *** urnenfeld has left #haiku[17:21:16] *** acidx has joined #haiku[17:30:09] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[17:30:17] *** petterhj has quit IRC[17:30:33] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[17:30:43] <plfiorini> hi[17:30:44] *** genkie has joined #haiku[17:32:58] *** genkie has quit IRC[17:39:20] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[18:03:14] *** frodobeg86 has quit IRC[18:11:33] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[18:24:24] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[18:28:32] *** frodobeg86 has joined #haiku[18:32:01] *** urnenfeld has left #haiku[18:33:51] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[18:36:06] <MrSunshine> ddew|bofh, what about valgrid? 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