October 25, 2007 
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October 25, 2007 [00:03:06] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[00:04:41] *** urnenfeld has left #haiku[00:09:36] *** TuneTracker has quit IRC[00:12:38] *** ddew|bofh has joined #haiku[00:12:43] <ddew|bofh> g'evening[00:13:57] <ddew|bofh> been seeing a lot of commits related to m68k, is that arch even used anymore?[00:14:22] <MrSunshine> someone seems to thnk so :P[00:15:04] <ddew|bofh> obviously :P[00:15:09] <DeadYak> ddew|bofh: mmu's porting it to 68k for fun[00:15:47] <ddew|bofh> cool, you have to admire ports to other archs "just for fun" :)[00:16:04] <ddew|bofh> although it'd be cool to see haiku running on amigas[00:16:14] <DeadYak> that'd only be feasible for an A4000[00:16:21] <DeadYak> most amigas used the LC versions of the 68k series[00:16:22] <DeadYak> = no mmu or fpu[00:16:24] <ddew|bofh> sure, still cool though[00:16:45] <DeadYak> just saying :)[00:16:50] <ddew|bofh> hehe[00:18:28] *** frodobeg86 has joined #haiku[00:18:34] <ddew|bofh> i can't wait for the ppc-port to gain momentum. given it's resource-friendliness it ought to run perfectly on my g3/300 imac with 256mb ram[00:18:45] <ddew|bofh> it being haiku naturally[00:20:43] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[00:21:24] <DeadYak> not sure how well optimized it is at this point, I haven't tried it on any real hardware other than an a64 which isn't exactly a good way of judging performance on low speed hardware :)[00:22:35] <ddew|bofh> i'm guessing pretty much anything would be a better performer than os9 :P[00:22:44] <AlienSoldier> how long before haiku on nintendo DS with 2 workspace support? :P[00:22:49] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[00:22:56] *** oco has quit IRC[00:23:02] <ddew|bofh> as long as you avoid firefox with it's memorysucking[00:25:57] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[00:30:54] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[00:30:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[00:37:58] <DeadYak> AlienSoldier: not sure either of the DS's ARM CPUs have an MMU on 'em[00:38:13] <DeadYak> AlienSoldier: without those, not possible[00:41:53] *** petterhj has quit IRC[00:54:40] <mmu_man> plop[00:54:49] <ddew|bofh> meep[00:58:57] *** NeoOokami has joined #haiku[01:01:59] *** PuppiesOnAcid has joined #haiku[01:03:28] * DeadYak plops mmu_man[01:19:56] *** stargater has joined #haiku[01:19:59] <stargater> re[01:22:29] *** kokito has quit IRC[01:30:58] *** miqlas has quit IRC[01:43:52] *** PuppiesOnAcid has quit IRC[01:51:11] *** kad77 has quit IRC[02:00:36] *** stargater has quit IRC[02:02:05] *** brycegroff has joined #haiku[02:06:49] <brycegroff> has anyone had trouble building unzip on mac os x[02:07:06] *** wildur has quit IRC[02:07:07] <brycegroff> everything else in the tree build fine[02:13:37] *** NeoOokami has quit IRC[02:18:48] *** MikeW has quit IRC[02:38:24] *** SiCuTDeUx_ has joined #haiku[02:38:25] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[02:39:04] *** TheNerd_LT has joined #haiku[02:45:44] *** yawlright has joined #haiku[02:59:54] <mmu_man> anyone feels like writing the elf loader for m68k ?[03:07:41] <brycegroff> whats involved in that[03:14:16] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[03:14:51] <brycegroff> mmu_man are you building on mac?[03:15:44] <AlienSoldier> mmu_man changing the disk_block size did not work, still lack pty over time, currently testing at 256M less of ram[03:16:32] <mmu_man> odd[03:16:49] <mmu_man> brycegroff: I'm building on an athlon XP here :)[03:16:56] <brycegroff> oh ok[03:16:57] <mmu_man> but I'm porting to m68k[03:17:02] <mmu_man> like my Mac LC III[03:17:05] <brycegroff> gotcha[03:17:06] <brycegroff> haha[03:17:07] <mmu_man> and atari falcon[03:17:57] <AlienSoldier> mmu_man is working for ebay now, they need a ploy to spur more trade of old computer[03:18:27] <brycegroff> haha[03:19:54] <mmu_man> rotfl[03:20:27] <brycegroff> has anyone had a hard time building unzip[03:20:49] <AlienSoldier> saw a 1260 blizzard amiga board at 451$ today, those thing cost a bunch[03:24:09] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[03:24:47] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[03:25:00] *** umccullough_work has joined #haiku[03:27:38] * DeadYak pets umccullough_work[03:27:50] <DeadYak> umccullough_work: long time no see it seems like[03:28:20] <umccullough_work> certainly long time no talkie[03:28:25] <umccullough_work> :)[03:28:30] *** nonesuch has joined #haiku[03:33:13] <brycegroff> umcculloug: you have worked with the build system before right[03:39:13] <umccullough_work> "worked with"?[03:39:20] <umccullough_work> as in, built haiku with it?[03:39:21] <umccullough_work> yes.[03:39:29] <umccullough_work> tweaked a jamfile here and there, yes[03:39:55] <umccullough_work> messed with it enough to realize that cygwin sucks? yes.[03:40:11] <brycegroff> I was just wondering if you have had any troubles with unzip building[03:40:38] <umccullough_work> it's been a few weeks since i've built haiku - and no, i didn't then[03:40:42] <umccullough_work> what's the problem?[03:41:19] <brycegroff> when I just run jam unzip builds fine but when I jam haiku-image it seems like the build enviroment is not correct[03:41:26] <brycegroff> also Im building on mac[03:41:42] <DeadYak> I didn't know building on mac was supported[03:42:49] <brycegroff> I think it is[03:42:58] <brycegroff> Im pretty sure giest builds on mac[03:42:59] <umccullough_work> it should work if you use gcc4[03:43:02] <brycegroff> dont quote me[03:43:07] <umccullough_work> giest doesn't build often...[03:43:08] <brycegroff> yeah I am using gcc4[03:43:09] <umccullough_work> geist[03:43:18] <umccullough_work> so, maybe some recent change to unzip broke gcc4[03:43:22] <brycegroff> everything goes fine except unzip[03:43:37] <umccullough_work> i'm certain someone will fix it if that's the case[03:44:36] <brycegroff> yeah its weird, if I jam -a unzip after a jam haiku-image then build unzip fin[03:44:37] <brycegroff> e[03:44:51] <brycegroff> but then if I try to jam haiku-image I run into build errors[03:45:33] <umccullough_work> ick[03:45:45] <umccullough_work> i have no clue[03:45:55] <umccullough_work> does unzip's jamfile use any special tricks?[03:46:41] <brycegroff> it does not seem too[03:47:32] <brycegroff> huh and the last change was back in september so probably everyone else is building fine[03:48:13] <umccullough_work> maybe try wiping out the generated/objects folder and starting fresh?[03:48:22] <umccullough_work> "jam clean" and all that jazz...[03:48:27] <brycegroff> yeah[03:48:30] <brycegroff> Ill try it[03:49:12] <umccullough_work> you didn't indicate what the error was...[03:50:04] <brycegroff> oh yeah[03:51:27] <brycegroff> when build unzip there are a few errors fileio.c if missing some defines like lenEOF and a few functions[03:51:53] <brycegroff> it seems like an include error but there should be no reason that I should have to modify the source to get a working build[03:52:37] <umccullough_work> might be some stupid bug in the preprocessor or something[03:53:15] <brycegroff> I tried to take unzip out of HaikuImage but generated/haiku.image-init-vars would still try and build it, then it would fail and the creation of the image would fail[03:53:28] <umccullough_work> huh?[03:53:41] <umccullough_work> oh.[03:54:06] <umccullough_work> i bet it's building it for your host machine - there's a new feature in the build system to download and unzip files onto the image at build time[03:54:29] <brycegroff> huh that could be[03:54:42] <brycegroff> because it seems like the haiku binary build just fine[03:54:48] <umccullough_work> i wonder if that can be disabled by not naming it as a target[03:55:09] <umccullough_work> mention it on the haiku-development list, asking if that's a possibility[03:55:17] <umccullough_work> not many people build on macs[03:55:44] <brycegroff> ha I would wish I had an extra linux box kicking around[03:55:55] <brycegroff> but alas only my macbook[03:57:18] <brycegroff> how does the new feature work[03:57:32] <brycegroff> or at least a place to look[03:58:00] <umccullough_work> well, i don't know if it's used by default, but you can add to the UserBuildConfig a line that will unzip a specified zipfile onto the image during buidl[03:58:01] <umccullough_work> build[03:58:17] <umccullough_work> so, take a look at UserBuildConfig.sample - it should give you the jam rule that is used to do it[03:58:31] <umccullough_work> then you can go hunt down that jam rule and disable it or whatever to see what happens[03:59:33] *** Purposeless has joined #haiku[03:59:42] *** Purposeless has left #haiku[03:59:45] <umccullough_work> UnzipArchiveToHaikuImage[04:00:22] <umccullough_work> it's located in the ImageRules jamfile[04:01:00] <brycegroff> cool thanks[04:03:05] <umccullough_work> in the HaikuImage file - it adds a <build>unzip target[04:03:12] <umccullough_work> that's probably what's trashing you[04:03:35] <umccullough_work> if you revert the changes to HaikuImage back to r22172 - that probably will fix it for you[04:04:07] <umccullough_work> ugh, except there have been a lot of changes since then[04:04:30] <umccullough_work> so, if you undo the changes made in r22173... http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/haiku/haiku/trunk/build/jam/HaikuImage?rev=22173&view=diff&r1=22173&r2=22172&p1=haiku/trunk/build/jam/HaikuImage&p2=/haiku/trunk/build/jam/HaikuImage[04:05:18] <umccullough_work> otherwise, you can try to fix whatever's causing the <build>unzip target to fail :)[04:06:03] <umccullough_work> that's located here: http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/haiku/haiku/trunk/src/tools/unzip/?rev=22173[04:06:10] <umccullough_work> er, without the rev at the end of the URL[04:06:28] <umccullough_work> http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/haiku/haiku/trunk/src/tools/unzip/Jamfile?view=markup[04:07:07] <umccullough_work> anyhow, good luck - i'm gonna have to go home now :)[04:07:33] <brycegroff> fantatstic[04:07:35] <brycegroff> thank you[04:07:37] <brycegroff> building[04:08:04] <umccullough_work> oh yeah, you should be able to recreate the problem with simply: jam <build>unzip[04:08:11] <umccullough_work> for troubleshooting[04:08:59] *** petterhj- has quit IRC[04:09:19] <umccullough_work> out.[04:09:21] *** umccullough_work has left #haiku[04:09:28] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[04:10:11] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[04:13:43] <brycegroff> Thanks all, bye[04:13:48] *** brycegroff has quit IRC[04:24:17] *** nonesuch has quit IRC[04:26:42] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[04:49:26] *** mmadia has quit IRC[04:51:32] *** scanty has joined #haiku[04:58:06] *** Darknesss has quit IRC[05:26:06] <pyCube_> hi scanty[05:34:02] *** Purposeless has joined #haiku[05:34:46] *** Purposeless has quit IRC[05:42:49] <scanty> hey pyCube_[05:42:57] <scanty> sorry for any delay, was just on phone[05:43:06] <pyCube_> i am totally offended[05:43:20] <pyCube_> heh[05:43:24] <scanty> lol[05:43:25] <scanty> :)[05:43:29] <pyCube_> how are things?[05:43:32] <scanty> how's by you?[05:43:43] <scanty> pretty good for the most part... mostly busy with school[05:43:52] <scanty> and going out for beers whenever I can[05:43:59] <scanty> anything to get me out of this house[05:44:25] <pyCube_> heh.. that bad eh?[05:44:53] <scanty> yeah, I gotta move out of here ASAP[05:45:12] <scanty> i just turned 25 last wednesday[05:45:15] <scanty> that was pretty weird...[05:45:23] <pyCube_> cool.. happy birthday etc[05:45:49] <scanty> thanks[05:45:56] <scanty> hehe typical bad birthday photo: http://ttl.nonlogic.org/eli/incoming/beer_champion.jpg[05:46:19] <pyCube_> hehe[05:47:58] <pyCube_> well.. looks like i am headed back to cali.. hehe.. this time for reals[05:48:17] <scanty> oh cool[05:48:18] <scanty> when?[05:48:28] <pyCube_> 4-6 weeksish[05:48:36] <scanty> back to norcal, or elsewhere?[05:48:45] <pyCube_> yeah.. sf bay area[05:49:13] <scanty> oh, nice.[05:49:14] <pyCube_> that is, assuming the details of teh offer are not crappy[05:49:37] <pyCube_> but i dont expect it to be unfair[05:49:48] <scanty> well, good luck wiht that, i'm sure things will work out[05:49:57] <pyCube_> thanks[06:01:40] *** kokito has joined #haiku[06:45:44] * JonathanThompson lobs a rabid greeting at pyCube_ and scanty[06:45:56] <scanty> run, it's foaming[06:47:26] * JonathanThompson wonders why bother with M68K for Haiku at this time[06:47:46] <scanty> they're porting haiku to 68K?[06:47:48] <JonathanThompson> Ok, so perhaps it's a "vacation" from working towards getting it to work on actual available hardware...[06:47:58] <JonathanThompson> I can't make this stuff up, scanty :P[06:48:07] <scanty> that's pretty freaking stupid IMO.[06:48:16] <scanty> unless the want to run it on amigas, or atari falcons[06:48:26] <scanty> or sharp x86000 (whcih isn't even available in US)[06:48:30] <JonathanThompson> I'm not certain which 68K processor, but any single one of them is a waste at this time.[06:48:33] <scanty> x68000*[06:49:11] <umccullough> scanty, i think mmu_man is doing it "for fun" ;)[06:49:14] <scanty> yeah, plus the 65c816 was way better :)[06:49:23] <JonathanThompson> What's it take CPU-wise to play back mp3, for example?[06:49:29] <umccullough> scanty, also, if there are any endianness issues, that should ferret them out :D[06:49:46] * JonathanThompson starts a Haiku port to the Mostek 65c816 "for fun"[06:49:47] <scanty> if there are any endian issues, at least work them out on a viable platform like PPC[06:49:52] <scanty> or sparc even.[06:50:11] <scanty> I don't know if a 68K is capable of playing back an mp3 by it's lonesome.[06:50:16] <scanty> with help of a DSP, it should be cake, though[06:50:17] <JonathanThompson> That would mean the entire OS as well as applications would have to fit with room left over in a 16 meg address space.[06:50:22] <umccullough> i think honestly he could be doing it on an atari[06:50:35] <umccullough> on->for[06:50:47] <scanty> 68K can address 24 bits AFAIR[06:50:49] <JonathanThompson> From what I've seen of Haiku at this point, my response is "Yeah, right" for the 16 meg space :)[06:51:01] <JonathanThompson> (Even if you discount the minor problem of not having MMU hardware)[06:51:10] <JonathanThompson> That's correct, scanty.[06:51:19] <umccullough> perhaps he only intends to get the kernel booted into a terminal[06:51:20] <JonathanThompson> Until you get to the 32 bit ones, that's true.[06:51:36] <scanty> i wish mostek released the 32-bit 65xxx[06:51:45] * JonathanThompson waits to see screenshots of Haiku running on a Mac SE[06:51:48] <umccullough> weren't the 68030 and newer 32-bit capable?[06:51:52] <JonathanThompson> Yes, umccullough.[06:51:56] <JonathanThompson> 68020, even.[06:51:59] <umccullough> or even the 68020[06:52:02] <umccullough> ok[06:52:11] * JonathanThompson was a CPU geek of the era[06:52:24] <umccullough> i once saw an AT&T unix machine with a 68010 or something in it...[06:52:24] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps not much has changed but the technology of the time....[06:52:38] <umccullough> i shoulda kept that thing[06:52:38] <scanty> sun3 machines used to use 68K afair.[06:52:45] <JonathanThompson> I think before the 68020, the MMU was external hardware, if at all.[06:53:01] <scanty> yeah, I think you are correct.[06:53:04] <umccullough> JonathanThompson, probably - i think there was a few other motorola 68xxxx chips on that board[06:53:20] <umccullough> probably an FPU at least[06:53:33] <scanty> i think they stopped at the 040[06:53:36] <umccullough> 060[06:53:37] <scanty> and I believe that one had an FPU as well[06:53:40] <scanty> 060 rather.[06:53:41] <scanty> yes.[06:53:52] <umccullough> did apple stop at 040?[06:54:04] <scanty> yeah, I believe that's why I said 040 initially.[06:54:14] <umccullough> i remember when the Mac FX came out ;)[06:54:19] <umccullough> or whatever it was[06:54:22] <scanty> I don't see the appeal of 68K..... the ISA is fairly ugly.[06:54:47] <umccullough> IIFX[06:55:25] <umccullough> i have an LC III sitting here[06:55:29] <umccullough> and an old SE[06:55:40] <scanty> i think if mac stuck with 65xxx there would have been a 32-bit one.[06:55:55] <scanty> although I heard rumours there wa s a 65832[06:55:58] <scanty> but I cannot confirm that[06:56:17] <umccullough> ah, the Mac IIfx was still a 68030 running at 40mhz[06:57:16] <scanty> wonde rhow fast the bus was.[06:57:21] <JonathanThompson> As a teenager, I was plotting and planning as best I could to make my own computer using the 68K processor.[06:57:42] <JonathanThompson> Too many reality hiccups got in the way, though, such as $ and equipment to possibly do it.[06:58:12] <scanty> i dunno, i just dn't like motorola really.[06:58:38] <JonathanThompson> Keep in mind, scanty, at the time, the other contender was the x86 to work with for a 16 bit processor.[06:58:53] <scanty> why, when the the '816 come out?[06:59:06] <JonathanThompson> Well, I wanted something faster :)[06:59:19] <scanty> don't forget about the 16-bit CPU in the insmellovision.[06:59:24] <JonathanThompson> It didn't have the higher speed models for many years.[06:59:33] <scanty> that ran at something like 716KHz.[06:59:45] <scanty> fully multiplexed addr and data bus[06:59:50] <scanty> it wa sa very weird CPU indeed[07:00:05] <JonathanThompson> There's also the TI 9900 series.[07:00:08] <JonathanThompson> At least as weird.[07:00:27] <scanty> TI didn't make anything decent until the ystarted rolling out SPARCs[07:00:34] <scanty> which are pretty much as nutty as RISC gets.[07:01:19] <JonathanThompson> IIRC, the 9900 whatever had memory-memory architecture: mostly didn't use registers for operations and short-term storage.[07:01:32] <scanty> bleh[07:02:38] * JonathanThompson wonders how the Sun-NetApps game will play out[07:03:15] <pyCube_> what is it about?[07:03:23] <pyCube_> i couldnt figure it out.. or maybe i didnt really try[07:03:30] <JonathanThompson> Sun claiming NetApps is violating their patents, vice-versa.[07:03:45] <JonathanThompson> With ZFS.[07:03:57] <pyCube_> what is netapps?[07:04:00] <scanty> sun needs to chill out and make their hardware cost 25% as much as it does[07:04:06] <JonathanThompson> SAN hardware/software provider.[07:04:18] <scanty> anyways, I gotta get some rest[07:04:20] <scanty> good night guys[07:04:30] <JonathanThompson> Bye scanty.[07:04:41] *** scanty has quit IRC[07:05:11] <JonathanThompson> I'm pretty certain I'm a user of their stuff by virtue of what I'm working on and where I'm working on it.[07:20:47] *** Karina`` has joined #haiku[07:36:28] *** Hodapp has quit IRC[07:38:40] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[08:20:07] *** DmitryM has quit IRC[08:45:42] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[08:51:50] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[09:00:09] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[09:02:45] *** emitrax_ has joined #haiku[09:02:46] *** emitrax has quit IRC[09:07:38] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[09:09:42] *** Hodapp has joined #haiku[09:12:09] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[09:12:27] <Begasus> morning peeps[09:15:24] <myrkraverk> morn, Begasus ;)[09:16:42] <Begasus> moin myrkraverk ;)[09:21:43] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[09:27:52] *** emitrax_ has quit IRC[09:28:45] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[09:30:07] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[09:45:32] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[09:52:23] *** Karina`` has quit IRC[09:57:33] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[10:00:43] *** kokito has quit IRC[10:01:40] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[10:39:23] *** PieterPan has joined #haiku[10:42:15] <PieterPan> Has anyone gotten USB memory sticks to work in Haiku?[10:43:16] *** SprMa has quit IRC[10:54:54] *** begas_ has joined #haiku[10:55:04] *** JBurton has joined #haiku[10:55:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o JBurton[10:55:35] <JBurton> hi[10:57:34] *** Begasus has quit IRC[10:57:34] *** begas_ is now known as Begasus[10:58:06] *** begasus_ has joined #haiku[10:58:26] *** MrSunshine_ has joined #haiku[10:59:17] <Begasus> hi[11:01:28] *** Thom_Holwerda has quit IRC[11:04:04] <PieterPan> Hello[11:12:29] <PieterPan> Begasus Do you know if usb_scsi works on Haiku?[11:15:11] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[11:15:56] <Begasus> dont know PieterPan ... I've never been able myself ... (but then ... it's been a while since I last booted Haiku native) ...[11:17:02] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[11:18:23] <PieterPan> Begasus hmm thanks, my usb device shows up in the /dev/bus/usb tree, but now I need to get it mounted somehow...[11:18:32] <PieterPan> Does Haiku support fat32 or fat?[11:18:56] <JBurton> yes[11:19:05] <JBurton> but not mass storage devices, yet[11:20:39] <PieterPan> I installed the USB_SCSI module[11:20:44] <JBurton> from bebits ?[11:20:46] <PieterPan> Ya[11:20:47] <JBurton> it's not compatible, afaik[11:20:59] <PieterPan> hmm too bad[11:21:18] <PieterPan> I just need to get a log file out, but I have no way of doing it...[11:21:31] <PieterPan> No network/wlan[11:21:54] <PieterPan> the skyfs/bfs viewer doesn't work for me[11:22:02] <PieterPan> I guess I can make a fat32 partition[11:22:08] <PieterPan> that should work then[11:23:33] <JBurton> probably[11:24:13] <PieterPan> USB stick support would be a great addition to have :)[11:24:55] <JBurton> indeed[11:25:06] <JBurton> there's an open ticket filed on our ticket tracker[11:25:26] <PieterPan> interesting[11:29:34] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[11:35:54] <JBurton> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/1106[11:37:26] <PieterPan> hmm, sounds promising![11:37:58] <PieterPan> strange, I created a fat32 partition, but it does not show up in the mount menu[11:38:13] <JBurton> hmmm[11:38:16] <JBurton> tried mountvolume ?[11:38:18] <JBurton> btw[11:38:19][11:38:19] <JBurton> I'm working on it. Hope to commit something in a week or two. I'm sorry for delay.[11:38:26] <PieterPan> Yes, indeed[11:38:35] <PieterPan> Nice[11:38:42] <JBurton> 18/9 + one week or two... would be a couple of weeks ago :)[11:39:10] <PieterPan> well, sure, programmers are hopeless optimists :)[11:39:26] <JBurton> indeed[11:40:45] <PieterPan> Mountvolume does not detect it..[11:40:55] <JBurton> even with the option to show all volumes ?[11:42:08] <PieterPan> mountvolume -lh shows the partition, as Intel Partition Map 407.9M (scsi/0/0/0/2)[11:42:38] <PieterPan> but the other list options don't show it[11:42:58] <JBurton> hmmmm[11:43:17] <JBurton> I think the fat32 driver doenst' implement the identification hooks... but maybe it's mountable my mount ?[11:43:22] <JBurton> s/my/by[11:43:31] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[11:43:36] <JBurton> yo emitrax[11:44:00] <emitrax> yo yo :)[11:44:01] <PieterPan> JBurton I'll try mount[11:47:00] <PieterPan> mount -t dos /dev/disk/scsi/0/0/0/2 /fat32disk/[11:47:05] <JBurton> yeah looks okay[11:47:10] <PieterPan> But it says mount: no such device[11:47:18] <PieterPan> tried dos and fat32[11:47:23] <JBurton> O_o[11:47:29] <PieterPan> I created /fat32disk/ first[11:47:36] <PieterPan> mkdir /fat32disk :)[11:48:18] <PieterPan> Maybe dos fs is broken?[11:48:25] <PieterPan> Or I am ;) also quite possible haha[11:48:36] <MrSunshine_> well does that path exist to start with ?[11:48:51] <PieterPan> I tab completed it :)[11:48:57] <JBurton> PieterPan I was sure it was working[11:49:02] <JBurton> although I never tried it personally[11:49:05] <JBurton> bbl[11:49:09] *** JBurton has quit IRC[11:49:13] <PieterPan> Ok[11:50:23] <PieterPan> If I diskprobe it, it shows mkdosfs in the bytes[11:51:10] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[11:54:28] <PieterPan> meh, even formatting it with mkdos from within haiku doesn't work[11:56:51] <PieterPan> right mount -t fat[11:57:04] <MrSunshine_> ?[11:57:27] <PieterPan> Sorry, just had a small personal victory :) mounting a fat volume from haiku[11:57:43] <MrSunshine_> you managed to mount it ?[11:58:06] <PieterPan> Well, yes, but not a usb stick[11:58:15] <MrSunshine_> humm k[11:58:16] <PieterPan> Just a partition on the hdd[12:03:13] <PieterPan> which is already very handy because I need to copy files back and forth[12:08:29] *** DmitryM has joined #haiku[12:10:13] *** Begasus has quit IRC[12:15:28] *** myrkraver1 has joined #haiku[12:19:31] *** emitrax_ has joined #haiku[12:21:55] *** athayde_ has joined #haiku[12:24:45] *** myrkraverk has quit IRC[12:35:34] *** PieterPan has quit IRC[12:41:34] *** emitrax has quit IRC[13:05:33] <MrSunshine_> gah i cant figure out why haiku wont boot, the kernel loads but after the IDE module loading stuff it just ends up in INIT: done entering main loop on cpu 0[13:05:37] <MrSunshine_> then its just dead :/[13:13:02] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[13:13:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[13:13:50] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[13:14:39] <plfiorini> hi[13:17:38] <begasus_> hi[13:18:07] *** begasus_ is now known as Begasus[13:18:28] <MrSunshine_> after the kernel init stiff, is the only output of debug data ghrought serial ?[13:18:43] <MrSunshine_> cause i dont have a serial port :([13:24:51] <plfiorini> hi Begasus, MrSunshine_[13:24:59] <MrSunshine_> ello[13:27:49] <MrSunshine_> ohh aparently i wont get any answers at all in here :P[13:28:01] <MrSunshine_> had like 10 haiku related questions last days and 0 answers :)[13:28:37] <Begasus> got the same prob as you (not being able to boot Haiku) so ... cant give out answers I dont have ;)[13:29:01] *** Darknesss has joined #haiku[13:29:23] <MrSunshine_> and as i have no serial port i cannot give any serial debug log ...[13:29:42] <plfiorini> me too[13:30:53] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[13:31:11] *** wildur has quit IRC[13:31:39] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[13:35:50] <plfiorini> sgrunt[13:36:17] <plfiorini> does i586-pc-haiku seems a resonable host for gcc?[13:37:20] <mmu_man> never tried[13:37:23] *** meisje has joined #haiku[13:37:30] <mmu_man> :)[13:37:38] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[13:45:54] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[13:46:21] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[13:53:50] *** meisje has quit IRC[14:05:02] *** athayde_ has quit IRC[14:09:25] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[14:09:31] *** TuneTracker has joined #Haiku[14:15:39] *** begasus_ has joined #haiku[14:23:07] *** begasus_ has quit IRC[14:31:39] *** Begasus has quit IRC[14:34:13] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[14:37:25] *** miqlas has quit IRC[14:45:09] <mmu_man> hmm kernel stuff seems to compile mostly without problem[14:45:18] <mmu_man> sign of good code :)[14:48:26] <PulkoMandy> :)[14:49:02][14:52:30] *** DebianTUX has joined #haiku[14:52:48] <DebianTUX> Hi. is there any graphic toolkit for python in beos?[15:01:34] <DeadYak> look up Bethon[15:02:07] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[15:10:36] *** MangoFusion has joined #haiku[15:11:39] *** emitrax_ has quit IRC[15:19:49] *** DebianTUX has quit IRC[15:22:10] <mmu_man> PulkoMandy: oui[15:22:18] <mmu_man> enfin 020 + mmu + fpu au minimum[15:22:41] <PulkoMandy> ok[15:22:52] <PulkoMandy> bon j'ai un LC2 et 3 LC630 alors :)[15:23:11] <mmu_man> oui j'ai un LCIII :)[15:23:27] <mmu_man> mais bon je pense d'abord porter sur Falcon, vu que j'ai un émulateur (ARAnyM)[15:23:28] *** SiCuTDeUx_ has quit IRC[15:24:23] <DeadYak> mmu_man: what systems actually used the 060? I didn't think any macs did[15:24:38] <PulkoMandy> DeadYak: some accelerator cards on amiga[15:24:43] <DeadYak> PulkoMandy: oh[15:24:56] <PulkoMandy> mac switched to ppc before the 060 was available[15:25:03] <DeadYak> that's what I thought[15:25:33] <PulkoMandy> (and there are some 060 accel cards for Atari Falcon, and atari clones such as Milan and Hades[15:25:58] <mmu_man> there were some 060 boards for macs and falcons as well (CT060)[15:26:11] <mmu_man> and yeah falcon clones :)[15:26:17] <IcePic> also some mvme-based comps.[15:26:36] <mmu_man> for amiga it'll be 4000/040 mini, or with an accell card[15:26:53] <mmu_man> as all others had a 68EC030 (no mmu :è)[15:27:17] <mmu_man> yeah I heard there were some SMP computers as well, but quite rare[15:28:49] * mmu_man pets "mc68030 enhanced 32-bit microprocessor user's manual (third edition)" ;)[15:29:17] <PulkoMandy> maybe accel cards for the x68000 in japan, also :)[15:30:31] <mmu_man> oh right, I only remembered the bare one, but there were later models[15:30:40] <mmu_man> we had an x68000 at Alchimie last year[15:31:10] <PulkoMandy> :)[15:32:18] <mmu_man> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharp_X68000[15:32:35] <mmu_man> the last model was released in 1993 with a 25 MHz Motorola 68030 CPU, 4 MB of RAM and optional 80 MB SCSI hard drive. RAM in these systems is expandable to 12 MB though most games and applications didn't require more than two.[15:32:42] <mmu_man> could be enough to boot ;)[15:33:07] <DeadYak> what's max ram in an A4000?[15:33:35] <IcePic> DeadYak: hard to say.[15:33:51] <IcePic> DeadYak: at least 256+16M[15:34:11] <IcePic> Less than 2G though, since the return from AllocMem in amigaOS is signed.[15:35:22] <DeadYak> ah[15:36:41] <IcePic> so it somewhat depends on what acc-cards were build and what slots they would hold, and what memory would fit in the memslots.[15:37:07] <mmu_man> IcePic: that doesn't mean the hw can't handle more[15:37:42] <IcePic> mmu_man: no, but it would be up to the particurlar acc-card. The motherboard would only take 16M[15:38:47] <mmu_man> + there was fast ram/slow ram[15:40:52] <MangoFusion> sounds like a nightmare platform to me[15:41:14] <MrSunshine_> gief new method to get the debug data out of the box! .. more then serial connection :([15:42:43] <MrSunshine_> usb mem stick or something :P[15:44:34] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[15:47:00] <IcePic> MangoFusion: its not worse that all issues regarding ddr-vs-dualddr, PC2100 sometimes being 266MHz and PC2700 vs 333MHz and what-have-you[15:47:21] <MangoFusion> i suppose[15:52:22] *** TuneTracker has quit IRC[15:56:01] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[16:18:40] <DeadYak> MrSunshine_: good luck[16:26:34] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[16:28:15] *** petterhj has quit IRC[16:28:24] <Begasus> food!!![16:28:28] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[16:28:29] <Begasus> biab ;)[16:31:01] *** petterhj- has quit IRC[16:32:14] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[16:32:58] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[16:34:41] <mmu_man> plop[16:35:25] <dr_evil> hi mmu_man!!!![16:38:03] <mmu_man> 'up ?[16:40:16] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[16:50:40] <dr_evil> uhh, just gut back from work, don't feel like coding today[16:52:54] *** DmitryM has quit IRC[16:55:30] <DeadYak> dr_evil: long day?[16:56:05] <dr_evil> 9.5 hours[17:04:53] <DeadYak> ouch[17:07:19] <dr_evil> that was a pretty easy day[17:09:33] <mmu_man> not even helping with the m68k elf loader ? ;)[17:10:16] <mmu_man> btw, there are almost exact copies of them in kernel and boot/...[17:10:21] <mmu_man> should be factored out[17:11:12] <DeadYak> mmu_man: of what, elf loader?[17:11:17] <mmu_man> yes[17:11:32] <DeadYak> mmu_man: I thought the boot one is "special" since it can't rely on kern services?[17:11:34] <mmu_man> cause the bootloade needs to load the kernel which is an elf obj[17:12:01] <mmu_man> yes but the code is almost the same, needed stuff are abstracted[17:12:10] <DeadYak> ah[17:12:15] <mmu_man> should need to have some #if _BOOT like in partition modules[17:12:18] <DeadYak> almost? where's the difference?[17:12:35] <mmu_man> function names mostly :D[17:12:40] <DeadYak> ah[17:13:09] <mmu_man> revol@debian:~/haiku/trunk$ diff src/system/boot/arch/x86/elf.cpp src/system/kernel/arch/x86/arch_elf.c[17:13:12] <mmu_man> 7,8d6[17:13:14] <mmu_man> < #include <boot/arch.h>[17:13:17] <mmu_man> <[17:13:20] <mmu_man> 40,42c38,40[17:13:22] <mmu_man> < status_t[17:13:25] <mmu_man> < boot_arch_elf_relocate_rel(struct preloaded_image *image,[17:13:27] <mmu_man> < struct Elf32_Rel *rel, int rel_len)[17:13:33] <mmu_man> > int[17:13:35] <mmu_man> > arch_elf_relocate_rel(struct elf_image_info *image, const char *sym_prepend,[17:13:38] <mmu_man> > struct elf_image_info *resolve_image, struct Elf32_Rel *rel, int rel_len)[17:13:39] <mmu_man> 68c66[17:13:43] <mmu_man> < vlErr = boot_elf_resolve_symbol(image, sym, &S);[17:13:47] <mmu_man> > vlErr = elf_resolve_symbol(image, sym, resolve_image, sym_prepend, &S);[17:13:51] <mmu_man> 128,130c126,128[17:13:53] <mmu_man> < status_t[17:13:56] <mmu_man> < boot_arch_elf_relocate_rela(struct preloaded_image *image,[17:13:57] <mmu_man> < struct Elf32_Rela *rel, int rel_len)[17:14:03] <mmu_man> > int[17:14:05] <mmu_man> > arch_elf_relocate_rela(struct elf_image_info *image, const char *sym_prepend,[17:14:08] <mmu_man> > struct elf_image_info *resolve_image, struct Elf32_Rela *rel, int rel_len)[17:14:40] <DeadYak> ah[17:15:12] <dr_evil> #ifdef _BOOT \n #define arch_elf_relocate_rela boot_arch_elf_relocate_rela[17:15:16] <dr_evil> etc[17:15:21] <mmu_man> yep[17:15:21] <dr_evil> should be easy+[17:15:50] <mmu_man> yes I'll do it[17:16:17] <mmu_man> unless you want to, shouldn't require any excessive neuronal functions :)[17:16:40] <mmu_man> so it'll empty your mind :D[17:16:57] <dr_evil> I'm just watching tv and will meet some friends later[17:18:39] <DeadYak> mmu_man: Zen of boot loaders?[17:19:09] <mmu_man> eh[17:20:04] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[17:28:43] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[17:32:36] *** TheNerd_ has joined #haiku[17:40:34] *** TheNerd__ has joined #haiku[17:48:12] *** lorglas has quit IRC[17:48:25] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[17:52:25] *** TheNerd_LT has quit IRC[17:58:30] *** TheNerd_ has quit IRC[17:59:56] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[18:04:42] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[18:06:18] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[18:07:57] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[18:08:17] <Lelldorin1> hi all[18:08:37] *** petterhj has quit IRC[18:08:49] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[18:09:31] *** frodobeg86 has quit IRC[18:12:57] *** meisje has joined #haiku[18:14:50] *** petterhj- has quit IRC[18:18:26] *** dos4gw has joined #haiku[18:26:58] *** kokito has joined #haiku[18:27:03] <tombhadAC> Can someone please apply that patch http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/1581 to buildtools/trunk?[18:29:29] <mmu_man> maybe[18:29:32] <kokito> good morning folks[18:29:52] <Lelldorin1> hi kokito[18:30:30] <mmu_man> ah, I don't have the legacy/ folder for space reasons[18:30:43] <mmu_man> ugh, btw it's not the correct way[18:30:51] <mmu_man> it's configure.ac you must patch[18:31:16] <tombhadAC> uh sorry[18:31:29] <mmu_man> and rerun autotools[18:35:29] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[18:35:46] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[18:36:24] <kokito> hi Lelldorin1 :)[18:39:39] *** mats has joined #haiku[18:42:14] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[18:44:56] *** kokito has quit IRC[18:45:32] *** kokito has joined #haiku[18:46:12] <plfiorini> yahooo i tried to build gcc 2.95.3 on haiku and it went KDL[18:49:01] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[18:52:43] *** petterhj has quit IRC[18:53:32] *** lorglas has quit IRC[18:57:02] *** dos4gw has quit IRC[18:57:07] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[18:59:42] <Lelldorin1> re[19:09:11] <AlienSoldier> what is the syntax to do a mkbfs (the dano one) to convert a partition to BFS. Create device image say the partition i want to change is called /dev/disk/scsi/0/0/0/0_0. Is it just mkbfs /dev/disk/scsi/0/0/0/0_0 i don't want to mess the rest of the disk[19:09:55] <AlienSoldier> mkbfs "/name of the drive" did not work, i guess it need to be unmounted?[19:12:20] <AlienSoldier> i guess changing the R5 one with the dano one wont work either to update drivesetup right?[19:14:27] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[19:17:11] *** mats has quit IRC[19:21:24] <Lelldorin1> AlienSoldier: http://www.besly.de/menu/search/archiv/cddvd/createbfsimage_terminal.html[19:21:31] <Lelldorin1> sorry only german[19:22:04] <Lelldorin1> but yu can see the commands and apps to do a bfs image from terminal[19:22:09] <AlienSoldier> back in 1993 when all the internet was in german :)[19:22:11] <Lelldorin1> yu=you[19:22:52] * Lelldorin1 is idle: dinner[19:22:59] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[19:30:22] *** meisje has quit IRC[19:37:17] <Lelldorin1> AlienSoldier: and it works?[19:38:48] <Lelldorin1> dd if=/dev/zero of="Path/to/filename" bs=1024 count="filesize"[19:39:04] <Lelldorin1> mkbfs 2048 "Path/to/filename"[19:39:08] <Lelldorin1> sync[19:39:13] * Lelldorin1 has returned[19:41:14] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[19:42:42] *** plfiorini_ has joined #haiku[19:42:45] <AlienSoldier> seem it worked[19:42:57] *** frodobeg86 has joined #haiku[19:48:06] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[19:48:41] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[19:50:19] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[19:53:35] *** MangoFusion has quit IRC[19:57:51] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[20:01:48] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[20:01:49] *** plfiorini_ is now known as plfiorini[20:12:51] *** urnenfeld has left #haiku[20:23:59] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[20:26:06] *** alpha-li1n has joined #haiku[20:28:06] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[20:29:03] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[20:29:28] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[20:33:05] *** TheNerd_LT has joined #haiku[20:33:22] *** korli has joined #haiku[20:33:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[20:33:41] <korli> evening[20:36:52] <fyysik> evening[20:39:27] <Begasus> evening ;)[20:39:37] <Begasus> hi fyysik ! how's it going?[20:44:48] *** alpha-lion has quit IRC[20:46:47] *** genkie has joined #haiku[20:50:42] *** TheNerd__ has quit IRC[20:53:05] *** alpha-li1n is now known as alpha-lion[20:54:36] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[20:54:37] <plfiorini> re[20:57:13] <Begasus> ra[20:57:26] <Begasus> what options are best used when creating a diff file?[20:57:33] <mmu_man> I use -urN[20:58:06] <cnuke> bewar N works only with gnu diff iirc[20:58:07] <Begasus> try'd the tip from BePorts site .. Naur .. but that gives me some unknown characters in Pe[20:59:42] <Begasus> ah ... Nur did the trick ...[20:59:50] <Begasus> no diff in the source though ;)[21:00:53] <Begasus> that's good cross platform source :D[21:12:54] *** wildur has quit IRC[21:23:21] *** fyysik has quit IRC[21:25:52] *** korli has quit IRC[21:28:43] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[21:29:16] *** Euver has joined #haiku[21:29:32] * JonathanThompson does a sanity check in the channel[21:31:02] * SiCuTDeUx smashes a window and jumps[21:35:37] *** Begasus has quit IRC[21:35:50] *** begasus_ has joined #haiku[21:36:06] *** begasus_ is now known as Begasus[21:36:42] <Begasus> re[21:51:46] <AndrevS> wb[21:52:15] <Begasus> thnx ;)[22:01:15] *** kokito has quit IRC[22:18:31] *** oco has joined #haiku[22:19:00] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[22:25:52] <mmu_man> hmm[22:25:59] <Begasus> g'night peeps[22:26:03] * mmu_man wondering how to implement system_time() on m68k[22:26:09] <mmu_man> it will be platform dependant anyway[22:26:42] <mmu_man> I'm thinking about either remapping the MFP read-only to be able to read the last byte of it.[22:27:01] <mmu_man> another option is to load a simple counting prog in the DSP and use DMA to move the counter to main RAM...[22:27:14] *** Begasus has quit IRC[22:27:15] <mmu_man> but that looses BW, and wouldn't work on other platforms, nor in the emulator I think[22:31:43] <AlienSoldier> only thing semi standard on 68K systems are joystick port :)[22:32:00] *** myrkraver1 is now known as myrkraverk[22:35:05] *** plfiorini_ has joined #haiku[22:38:32] *** TheNerd_ has joined #haiku[22:41:28] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[22:46:54] *** Euver has quit IRC[22:48:09] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[22:53:36] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[22:56:13] *** TheNerd_LT has quit IRC[22:56:30] *** TheNerd_LT has joined #haiku[23:05:42] *** plfiorini_ has quit IRC[23:08:58] *** TuneTracker has joined #Haiku[23:09:45] *** urnenfeld has left #haiku[23:11:01] <mmu_man> re[23:11:12] <TuneTracker> wb[23:11:32] <TuneTracker> mmu_man you're working on a Mac emulator?[23:12:25] <mmu_man> no[23:12:33] <TuneTracker> what was the 68k thing?[23:12:44] <mmu_man> I have an atari falcon emu available (ARAnyM)[23:13:05] <mmu_man> and I have a (real) Mac LC III[23:13:06] <TuneTracker> You mentioned some sort of 68k project, I thought you were referring to the Mac emulator[23:13:12] <mmu_man> no[23:13:18] <mmu_man> Haiku port[23:14:04] *** TheNerd_ has quit IRC[23:15:25] <PulkoMandy> who would want to use a mac emulator ? :)[23:19:36] *** genkie has quit IRC[23:23:50] *** stargater has joined #haiku[23:23:55] <stargater> hi[23:41:43] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[23:46:04] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[23:49:45] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:55:15] *** nils_t has joined #haiku[23:56:54] *** BuildFactory has quit IRC[23:56:57] <Ingenu> nght[23:57:05] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:58:26] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku