October 23, 2007 
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October 23, 2007 [00:02:22] *** MangoFusion has quit IRC[00:07:50] *** korli has joined #haiku[00:07:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[00:08:14] *** axeld has joined #Haiku[00:08:14] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[00:08:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[00:08:29] <mmu_man> plop[00:08:45] <mmu_man> hmm can't handle dma in the pci bus manager...[00:08:54] <mmu_man> will have to fake an isa one + config manager[00:09:11] <mmu_man> actually it's an opportunity to actually implement it, the current oen is a stub :)[00:09:14] <axeld> mmu_man: don't forget a Zorro bus manager :-)[00:09:22] <mmu_man> hey axeld :)[00:09:37] <mmu_man> I'll probably fake ISA devices in config manager from it[00:09:49] <mmu_man> or not, will have to check its caps[00:09:54] <axeld> mmu_man: but they have actual device and vendor IDs[00:09:55] <mmu_man> can it bus master ?[00:10:00] <axeld> it can[00:10:03] <mmu_man> (=dma without having to inform the chipset)[00:10:11] <mmu_man> the atari falcon can't[00:10:16] <mmu_man> it doesn't have a real bus[00:10:19] <mmu_man> well AFAIK[00:10:28] <mmu_man> there is a quite complex dma control in the chipset[00:10:37] <axeld> Well, I always were on the Amiga side of things back then :-)[00:10:53] <mmu_man> since the pci bus manager doesn't get notified of dma it can't start the thing[00:10:54] <axeld> So you have a Falcon to test?[00:10:55] <korli> old times :)[00:10:56] <mmu_man> no[00:11:00] <mmu_man> but I have ARAnyM[00:11:07] <mmu_man> it emulates even the mmu ;)[00:11:15] <AlienSoldier> PC with 768M video card 64M and Bone, could it be that i still have too much ram if over time i have problem opening a terminal (say can't open PTY)[00:11:25] <mmu_man> and can fake a falcon like 128MB of RAM, 300MHz cpu :)[00:11:36] <mmu_man> I have an apple mac LC III also[00:12:06] <mmu_man> AlienSoldier: search for "betips disk_cache_size"[00:12:08] <axeld> AlienSoldier: no idea[00:12:19] <mmu_man> but it happens sometimes, the ptys are exhausted, still don't know why[00:12:40] <AlienSoldier> ok, thanx, was wondering if a well known fix existed[00:12:55] <mmu_man> axeld: I'd try on Amiga, but most use a low-cost mmuless cpu[00:13:05] <mmu_man> so it must be an upgraded one[00:13:11] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[00:13:30] <AlienSoldier> what is the biggest 68K computer, surely a mac?[00:13:39] <mmu_man> biggest as in fastest ?[00:13:43] <AlienSoldier> yes[00:14:02] <AlienSoldier> or perhaps an industrial coldfire based computer?[00:14:18] <mmu_man> don't think so; there were some Hades (atari TT/Falcon clones) with 060 overclocked[00:14:38] <mmu_man> CF is about half an 68k :^)[00:14:44] <mmu_man> qemu emulates CF btw[00:14:49] <mmu_man> if anyone wants to finish it[00:14:55] <AlienSoldier> i also remember atari clone named hydra, but never saw one[00:15:21] <mmu_man> axeld: so, current config manager is a stub, things like floppy won't work :)[00:15:32] <mmu_man> noticed also isa dma isn't implemented...[00:15:50] <mmu_man> AlienSoldier: or this Falcon + CT060 on ebay[00:15:56] <mmu_man> at 351 euros last I checked :)[00:16:23] <axeld> mmu_man: the current config manager will go away completely once the new driver stuff is ready[00:17:02] <AlienSoldier> does betips have an official hosting now? www.betips.net is dead[00:17:14] <mmu_man> axeld: you mean next millenium ? ;)[00:17:32] <mmu_man> unless there is a working group on it but I've not been told :)[00:17:49] <AlienSoldier> don't get lured by the falcon, you will be sucked to develop a media node for the DSP eventually :P[00:17:51] <axeld> mmu_man: there will be a working group soon enough ;-)[00:18:06] <mmu_man> tell me :)[00:18:14] <axeld> mmu_man: next time Ingo and I meet, we want to work on that particular issue[00:18:17] <mmu_man> I want polimorphism and irq :D[00:18:23] <mmu_man> poly ugh[00:18:36] <axeld> mmu_man: what is that good for? :)[00:18:52] <mmu_man> (no reason each driver should have to probe or handle each bus differently)[00:18:57] <mmu_man> ias, pci, usb...[00:19:36] <axeld> each bus works differently, though[00:19:37] <mmu_man> AlienSoldier: yes it'd make a nice accelerated system mixxer[00:19:42] <mmu_man> there are mp3 decoders for it too[00:20:06] <mmu_man> yes but each have enumeration, IDs, dev classes, notification (IRQ)[00:20:25] <mmu_man> oh, dma ;)[00:20:37] <AlienSoldier> too bad you will not show this at alchimie 8... any new computer show you will go to as replacement?[00:20:40] <mmu_man> that would simplify stuff[00:20:56] <mmu_man> like I could make a real nubus module instead of faking pci or isa[00:21:13] *** TheNerd_LT has joined #haiku[00:23:00] * kokito waves to axeld, mmu_man and the rest of the crowd[00:23:04] <mmu_man> it'd also allow using other config sources (ACPI, DMI...)[00:23:13] * mmu_man plops korli[00:23:18] * mmu_man plops kokito ;D[00:23:36] <axeld> Hi kokito[00:24:02] <axeld> mmu_man: the question of the config sources should (or must) be handled by the bus managers[00:24:18] <MrSunshine> run along and split app server up now ... one drawing part and one core part ... and the drawing part acts like a plugin so one can write diferent :P[00:24:24] <kokito> Hallo Herr Axel :P[00:25:05] <axeld> mmu_man: and since you can't put all vendor/device IDs into a single name space (you would need to have per bus identifiers, too), I'm not sure if I see any advantage in this approach[00:25:17] <mmu_man> axeld: yes but each of them usually provides info for several busses, so it should be factored out[00:25:27] <axeld> mmu_man: besides, there are very few cards available for more than one bus[00:25:39] <mmu_man> yes, but some chips are[00:26:10] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[00:26:11] * mmu_man pets NCR 5380[00:29:29] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[00:33:31] <mmu_man> axeld: ok, it's not required to really have all busses the same[00:33:54] *** wildur has quit IRC[00:34:06] <mmu_man> but maybe they can emulate some pci features[00:34:09] <mmu_man> as it's the most common[00:34:39] <axeld> sure, it would be nice to be a bit more bus agnostic[00:34:51] <axeld> especially for PCMCIA[00:35:29] <mmu_man> so drivers could choose to accept other busses if a config file says so (there we'd need a generic enum (à la win PNPID..) access ), so the rest of the code would assume pci[00:35:40] <mmu_man> yep, pccard is mostly a pci skim[00:35:56] <mmu_man> cardbus I maen[00:36:24] <mmu_man> ... that was actually what config man was, a bus-independant (but aware) enumerator[00:36:46] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[00:36:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[00:37:17][00:37:17] <AlienSoldier> le 2048 par 16384.[00:37:48] <mmu_man> AlienSoldier: yes[00:37:56] <AlienSoldier> perfect, gonna try that , thanx[00:38:05] <mmu_man> it's the same issue as the 1GB limit[00:38:11] <mmu_man> for bone it's actually 768M[00:38:51] <mmu_man> axeld: I'll add an arch folder to config manager[00:38:55] <AlienSoldier> i was thinking perhaps the add-on were leaking memory as it boot ok, and the system never crash, it just don't want to launch some app, like the terminal[00:38:59] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[00:39:00] <mmu_man> and isa bus as well[00:39:27] <mmu_man> there I'd hardcode isa devs, for PC that'd only be the floppy ctrl[00:39:30] <mmu_man> so it's found[00:39:46] <mmu_man> maybe ps2 as well[00:39:51] <axeld> mmu_man: what about the general build stuff?[00:39:55] <mmu_man> that'd remove the hardcoding from drivers[00:40:00] <mmu_man> lik ?[00:42:06] <axeld> mmu_man: ./configure build-tools m68k[00:42:08] *** stargater has joined #haiku[00:42:13] <axeld> Hi Ralf[00:42:14] <stargater> hi[00:42:21] <stargater> hi axeld[00:42:35] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[00:42:45] <mmu_man> axeld: yeah, with {atari,amiga,apple} as platform[00:42:58] <axeld> mmu_man: and that already works?[00:42:59] <mmu_man> I tried to build a generic gcc m68k-elf[00:43:06] <mmu_man> but it fails building crt files[00:43:23] <axeld> So how are you compiling your stuff, then?[00:43:24] <mmu_man> I'll try again with disabling multilib[00:43:40] <mmu_man> not yet[00:43:46] <mmu_man> gcc fails to build[00:43:57] <mmu_man> well it builds but stops after at crtstuff[00:44:53] <mmu_man> hmm what was that issue with binutils on ppc already[00:45:01] <mmu_man> had to svn up to an older one[00:45:33] <axeld> GCC 4 only, I think[00:45:33] *** TheNerd_LT has quit IRC[00:45:58] <mmu_man> yes gcc4[00:46:09] <mmu_man> no reason to try 2.95 there[00:46:19] <stargater> haiku runs on amiga :-) mk86[00:46:22] <mmu_man> binutils HEAD didn't build correctly[00:50:17] <axeld> mmu_man: GCC 4 was definitely ported to AmigaOS4 PPC[00:50:32] <axeld> not 100% sure about m68k[00:53:38] <mmu_man> not many refs to amiga in gcc/config/m68k/[00:53:41] <AlienSoldier> i wonder if haiku 68K will be out before OS4 PPC :)[00:54:29] <mmu_man> AlienSoldier: good question[00:54:36] <mmu_man> AOS4 is for november 30[00:54:42] <DeadYak> in theory :P[00:55:22] <AlienSoldier> putting a date was silly, it mean it's not ready 100% yet, they should just have shiped the damn thing with no pre-avis[00:56:02] <oco> In fact, AOS4 is a code name for Haiku on Amiga hardware[00:56:19] <AlienSoldier> mmu_man perhaps you could get cue from the aros developer and how they do cross platform?[00:56:47] <korli> oco disinformation :)[00:56:49] <AlienSoldier> oco not OS4, it's OS5, the better than OSX OS :P[00:57:28] <mmu_man> axeld: I'll probably have access to ppc amiga hw at Alchimie in 2 weeks[00:57:39] <mmu_man> if you want me to test somehtinf ;)[00:58:04] <axeld> mmu_man: just finish your port in time ;-)[00:59:08] <AlienSoldier> that sure would make some headlines :)[00:59:24] <oco> AlienSoldier : i don't know if Amiga OS * is better than OSX but it is "later" for sure[00:59:50] <AlienSoldier> oco i was refering to a quote by the Amiga inc "CEO"[01:02:03] *** korli has quit IRC[01:02:34] <AlienSoldier> humm, and that would mean a sheepshifter native port to haiku i guess[01:03:36] <AlienSoldier> *shapeshifter[01:05:04] <oco> AlienSoldier : well, i must recognize i am not as informed as you on the Amiga world...[01:06:15] <AlienSoldier> hehe, that quote even got out of the amiga world as it's so presomptuous (did i spell that right)[01:08:17] <oco> AlienSoldier : Amiga was already dead before i start my "computing life" :)[01:08:18] *** cas1 has joined #haiku[01:17:09] *** oco has quit IRC[01:20:53] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[01:31:35] *** magnetron has quit IRC[01:38:57] *** petterhj has quit IRC[01:39:44] <AlienSoldier> 4096 color, that would make for a nice OS4 boxing cardboard :) http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/bridgestone-shows-off-ultrathin-full-color-e-paper/[01:48:11] *** DaaT has quit IRC[01:49:54] *** Negr0 has quit IRC[01:50:59] <stargater> n8[01:51:29] *** stargater has quit IRC[01:53:18] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[01:54:50] *** CIA-11 has quit IRC[02:00:36] *** mmu_man has quit 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(and not very stable at that time) ...[13:00:53] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[13:02:22] *** TheNerd_WK has quit IRC[13:21:07] <plfiorini> mmmm glib 1.2.8 doesn't support beos[13:21:35] <plfiorini> Begasus: building seems reliable for an alpha quality os[13:21:54] <plfiorini> Begasus: and it's not that bad, only configure is a pain[13:22:07] <Begasus> good to hear :P[13:22:31] <plfiorini> but i remember glib was ported[13:22:42] <plfiorini> software is boring when it's not ported[13:22:45] <Begasus> yeah .. there should be some around ...[13:22:48] <Begasus> ;)[13:23:21] <Begasus> there are some probs with basename stuff in the latter versions iirc[13:26:31] <Begasus> if it was that easy it would have been ported a while back I guess ;)[13:35:46] *** SprMa has quit IRC[13:37:22] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[13:46:19] *** emitrax_ has quit IRC[13:47:49] *** frodobeg25 has joined #haiku[13:53:20] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[13:57:36] *** DmitryM has joined #haiku[14:01:36] *** cyrann has joined #haiku[14:03:43] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[14:07:31] *** ChanServ has quit IRC[14:13:07] *** ChanServ has joined #haiku[14:13:07] *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ[14:13:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[14:13:55] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[14:19:48] *** cyrann has quit IRC[14:29:07] * TuneTracker tosses a smoke bomb into the channel to see if he can cause a little activity in here...[14:31:14] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[14:31:33] * Begasus pets DeadYak and TuneTracker[14:36:11] <plfiorini> Begasus: the problem is that some stuff did work on beos but a lot of download links are now 404 on bebits[14:36:14] <plfiorini> Begasus: it's all wasted work[14:37:05] <plfiorini> Begasus: if someone ported to beos it should work on haiku too, just need to recompile and see what is different (a lot of times, for example on config.guess, you just need to add haiku where it handles beos)[14:37:26] <plfiorini> maybe beshare has still some stuff[14:37:29] <plfiorini> will check[14:38:31] <Begasus> vasper got a 2.x zeta version over at beosmax ... (source) plfiorini[14:38:43] <Begasus> maybe there is something that you could use ...[14:39:02] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[14:44:03] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[14:47:14] <plfiorini> Begasus: yeah, i am downloading it from bebits (it's used by the abiword port)[14:47:18] *** zeristor has joined #haiku[14:47:44] <plfiorini> Begasus: i can try to port the beos code from 2.x to 1.x so pkg-config will build[14:48:46] <plfiorini> what's vasper mail? i'll have to tell him about the cups port[14:48:56] <Begasus> atleasts thats a start ;)[14:49:11] <Begasus> you should check the blog site ...[14:49:19] <Begasus> don't have it around atm ....[14:49:40] <plfiorini> found! on max.org[14:49:44] <Begasus> ;)[14:53:29] *** Mazon has quit IRC[14:53:42] *** Mazon has joined #haiku[15:13:35] *** mikesum32 has quit IRC[15:19:06] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[15:19:24] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[15:21:35] *** DmitryM has quit IRC[15:23:50] *** SprMa has quit IRC[15:24:14] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[15:24:29] *** katisu has joined #haiku[15:25:26] * DeadYak plops mmu_man[15:43:46] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[15:43:47] *** katisu is now known as [Katisu][15:46:02] <mmu_man> re[15:46:23] <mmu_man> checking for main in -lm... configure: error: Link tests are not allowed after GCC_NO_EXECUTABLES.[15:46:28] *** stippi has joined #haiku[15:46:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[15:46:28] <mmu_man> WTF !? :-([15:46:37] <mmu_man> gcc builds[15:46:45] <mmu_man> but it fails configuring libstdc++ :-([15:47:02] <stippi> mmu_man: is that your 68k port?[15:48:22] <stippi> but anyways, I need to go. TTYL[15:48:25] *** stippi has left #haiku[15:49:28] <mmu_man> I'm trying to build gcc for m68k--netbsdelf[15:49:33] <mmu_man> to avoid having to patch it[15:50:54] <mmu_man> ok let's try with binutils head[15:58:07] *** JBurton has joined #haiku[15:58:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o JBurton[15:58:11] <JBurton> hi all[16:04:11] * DeadYak pets JBurton[16:05:11] <JBurton> hey DeadYak[16:05:17] <DeadYak> hiya[16:06:01] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[16:22:13] <mmu_man> ok, seems like I'll need to port binutils & gcc ;-([16:22:24] <mmu_man> shouldn't be too hard but it'll be painful[16:23:37] <mmu_man> is it me or debian has really broken terminal behaviour by default ?[16:23:41] <mmu_man> in gnome-terminal...[16:23:57] <DeadYak> dunno, I avoid gnome like the plague :)[16:24:01] <mmu_man> using vi in visual omde if I use arrow keys it inserts the char from the esc codes...[16:24:33] <mmu_man> I don't really care as long as I can do comman dline and xemacs[16:24:43] <mmu_man> (had to deinstall emacs and install xemacs :-()[16:25:29] <mmu_man> hmm same bug in xterm...[16:25:39] <mmu_man> migh be something with inputrc[16:27:36] <JBurton> mmu_man I dunno, is the behaviour in debian the same of ubuntu ?[16:27:48] <JBurton> btw ubuntu 7.10 really has nice colors in gnome-terminal[16:28:09] <mmu_man> dunno[16:29:07] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[16:32:41] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[16:39:25] *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC[16:40:18] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[16:41:03] <JBurton> plfiorini hi there[16:41:29] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[16:42:00] <plfiorini> hello JBurton !![16:51:18] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[16:51:45] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[16:57:37] *** _Lucretia_ has joined #haiku[16:58:42] <mmu_man> ok, porting binutils...[17:05:04] <MrSunshine> when beos removes a file, does it only set the node to think it doesnt have data right?[17:05:14] <mmu_man> *** Configuration m68k-unknown-haiku not supported[17:05:17] <mmu_man> make[1]: *** [configure-gcc] Erreur 1[17:05:20] <mmu_man> ok, gcc now :)[17:05:45] <mmu_man> MrSunshine: hmm I think yes[17:05:56] <mmu_man> it also likely removes the data allocations[17:07:15] <JBurton> MrSunshine bfs ? yeah[17:07:31] <kad77_> mmu_man: I discovered an ICE last night in gcc 4.2.2 trying to do some of same work[17:08:49] <mmu_man> ?[17:09:00] <kad77_> also, I have a Mac IIci if you want someone to to test your build sometime :D[17:09:21] <MrSunshine> btw, will haiku also need a patched gcc or will it work with plain old gcc later? :)[17:09:23] <kad77_> ICE = Internal Compiler Error , I consistantly can make gcc die on some code[17:10:51] *** JBurton has quit IRC[17:14:06] *** SprMa has quit IRC[17:17:45] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[17:18:17] *** stippi has joined #haiku[17:18:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[17:18:27] *** stippi has quit IRC[17:20:48] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[17:23:41] *** meisje has joined #haiku[17:26:52] *** stippi has joined #haiku[17:26:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[17:27:16] *** meisje has quit IRC[17:27:21] <stippi> nice, since Axel's networking fixes, I can download large files now.[17:27:38] <stippi> and BeBits displays in NetPositive with all bitmaps[17:28:25] <DeadYak> stippi: ooh, will have to try[17:29:18] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[17:30:16] <Begasus> need to update then ... ;)[17:30:35] <Begasus> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UCObpf5WW4[17:30:38] <Begasus> nice one ;)[17:32:17] *** MangoFusion has joined #haiku[17:32:30] *** MangoFusion has quit IRC[17:32:48] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[17:40:09] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[17:41:12] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[17:46:03] *** kokito has joined #haiku[17:46:33] <kokito> good morning folks[17:48:32] <Begasus> 'lo kokito[18:02:40] <kokito> hey Begasus[18:03:02] *** wildur has quit IRC[18:04:50] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[18:07:13] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[18:07:35] <Lelldorin1> hello all[18:09:41] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[18:19:26] <mmu_man> building gcc again...[18:20:32] *** Humdinger has joined #haiku[18:27:05] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[18:30:50] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[18:36:49] <stippi> mmu_man: for 68k?[18:38:18] <mmu_man> yes[18:38:33] <mmu_man> lol http://perso.orange.fr/patrice.mandin/en/divers-irc.html[18:40:25] <stippi> need to boot back into R5 to fetch my mail properly...[18:40:56] *** stippi has quit IRC[18:47:23] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[18:51:37] <Humdinger> Evening![18:51:51] <Humdinger> Oh...[18:51:54] <Humdinger> brb[18:52:59] <mmu_man> ahh[18:53:00] <mmu_man> /home/revol/haiku/trunk/generated/cross-tools/lib/gcc/m68k-unknown-haiku/4.1.2/../../../../m68k-unknown-haiku/sys-include/be/kernel/OS.h:626: error: 'B_MAX_CPU_COUNT' undeclared here (not in a function)[18:53:05] <mmu_man> progressing ;)[19:07:45] *** genkie has joined #haiku[19:08:01] *** zeristor_ has joined #haiku[19:09:32] *** Judgen has joined #haiku[19:09:35] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[19:09:48] *** zeristor_ has quit IRC[19:09:57] *** HeToN800 has joined #haiku[19:10:08] <mmu_man> gahh, forgot to copy the file[19:10:12] <mmu_man> here I go again[19:10:29] <dr_evil> lol[19:10:44] * dr_evil just got back from work[19:11:25] <DeadYak> wb[19:20:18] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[19:24:12] *** zeristor has quit IRC[19:28:32] *** HeToN800 has quit IRC[19:30:15] *** Humdinger has quit IRC[19:34:29] <mmu_man> gahh...[19:34:40] <mmu_man> ok maybe that'll do it[19:34:50] <mmu_man> it's trying to compile ilbgcc now :)[19:35:37] <urnenfeld> mmu_man: http://images.southparkstudios.com/games/create/index.html you can create them :)[19:36:16] *** Humdinger has joined #haiku[19:38:04] <mmu_man> hehe[19:38:18] <mmu_man> what about making Haiku devs ? ;)[19:38:26] <urnenfeld> i did mine already :D[19:40:49] <Humdinger> Hi guys![19:41:18] <Humdinger> Am I right that the attribute BEOS:TYPE determines what app should open that file?[19:41:49] <mmu_man> it's the mime type yes[19:42:28] <Humdinger> Funny thing: I got two files, both with BEOS:TYPE, both types being text/x-trackerbase.[19:42:39] <Humdinger> One opens in StyledEdit, the other doesn't...[19:43:19] <mmu_man> there are other attrs[19:43:26] <mmu_man> like the prefered app one[19:43:36] <mmu_man> which overrides teh default handler in the mime db[19:44:39] <Humdinger> Ah... The one that doesn't open has a BEOS:PREF_APP with application/x-vnd.Be-STEE[19:44:51] <Humdinger> That may not be the correkt signature..[19:45:15] <Humdinger> Ah... application/x-vnd.Haiku-StyledEdit would be the correct one.[19:45:36] <mmu_man> yes the other one is the type for BeOS's StyledEdit[19:45:46] <mmu_man> (now you see why it was a bad idea to change:p)[19:45:55] <Humdinger> Which of course sucks a bit... Got 500 files. Anyone could have the wrongly preferred app set back in BeOS...[19:46:04] <Humdinger> hmm...[19:46:05] <Humdinger> yes...[19:46:30] <mmu_man> yeah, it's building multilib, ...[19:46:55] <Humdinger> Guess I'll just have to batch a rmattr BEOD:PREF_APP[19:47:26] <Humdinger> So... how's your m68000 port coming along, mmu_man?[19:47:43] <mmu_man> 19:54 < mmu_man> yeah, it's building multilib, ...[19:47:54] <mmu_man> almost got gcc done[19:48:02] <Humdinger> I take it that is a good sign[19:49:20] <Begasus> version 4.* mmu_man ?[19:53:18] *** stargater has joined #haiku[19:53:22] <stargater> hi[19:54:36] <mmu_man> Begasus: yes[19:54:44] <mmu_man> ah, building libstdc++[19:55:28] <Begasus> looks good so far ;)[19:56:53] <stargater> reboot[19:56:58] *** stargater has quit IRC[20:02:08] <Begasus> cya peeps[20:02:51] *** Begasus has quit IRC[20:03:48] *** Deffy|iMac has joined #haiku[20:03:49] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[20:03:50] <Stargater> re[20:03:51] *** Deffy|iMac has quit IRC[20:03:59] *** Deffy|iMac has joined #haiku[20:05:35] *** Humdinger has quit IRC[20:05:43] <mmu_man> oh my it's building N versions of the lib, for each cpu/fpu :^)[20:05:54] <mmu_man> patience :)[20:11:22] <DeadYak> mmu_man: "each"?[20:11:27] <DeadYak> mmu_man: as in 020, 030, 040?[20:12:56] <kad77_> yeesh[20:13:09] *** kad77_ is now known as kad77[20:16:37] <mmu_man> yep[20:16:44] <mmu_man> YESSS \o/[20:18:03] *** Stargater has quit IRC[20:18:04] <DeadYak> mmu_man: why? arch-specific optimizations?[20:18:50] *** stargater has joined #haiku[20:18:52] <stargater> re[20:20:11] <mmu_man> DeadYak: mostly to be able to support passing -m68030 and others to gcc[20:20:19] <mmu_man> to select which cpu opcodes to use[20:21:05] <urnenfeld> that cpu was/ is 32bits?[20:21:13] <dr_evil> which hardware do you intend to use mmu_man?[20:21:29] <PulkoMandy> macintosh LC3 :)[20:21:47] <mmu_man> urnenfeld: yes[20:22:04] <mmu_man> dr_evil: Falcon, amiga 030, and the LCIII I have here :)[20:22:07] <kad77> 68LC040 OR 68E040 or something[20:22:13] <mmu_man> ok, gcc built[20:22:26] <mmu_man> kad77: no those LC/EC ones lack either an fpu or an mmu[20:22:38] <mmu_man> fpu can be emulated but the mmu is required[20:22:39] <kad77> isn't that the LC model? low cost?[20:22:56] <urnenfeld> uuuu LCIII my uni thew a lot of them ....[20:22:57] <PulkoMandy> mmu_man: i'll try on LC2 and LC630 :)[20:23:20] <mmu_man> kad77: LC = low cost yes[20:23:29] <mmu_man> but the mac LCIII has a real 030, not an LC :D[20:23:33] <mmu_man> go figure :)[20:23:44] <mmu_man> OTH most laptop they made had an LC cpu[20:23:55] <kad77> ah, k[20:24:01] <mmu_man> most amiga had LC or EC ones too[20:24:08] <kad77> I have a IIci if you want some testing. :D[20:24:10] <mmu_man> as AmigaOS didn't have virtual mem...[20:25:59] <stargater> mmu_man: what did you doing ? haiku for amiga500 hardware ?[20:26:15] *** alpha-li1n has joined #haiku[20:27:23] <mmu_man> stargater: some amiga4000 maybe, 500 with a cpu board...[20:27:53] <mmu_man> ok, now I need to run configure entirely[20:28:41] <DeadYak> mmu_man: soo, if I were to send you a BeBox, could you get it running on that too? :D[20:28:45] <DeadYak> (not mc68k I know)[20:29:33] <mmu_man> DeadYak: I've been checking qemu-ppc, it emulates a PREP IIRC[20:31:52] <stargater> mmu_man: thats hard to do ? ore you are finish ?[20:33:16] <mmu_man> stargater: I just started :p[20:35:59] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[20:36:22] *** procton has joined #haiku[20:36:46] *** Judgen has left #haiku[20:40:25] <urnenfeld> what kind of bus had that things? ISA.. already PCI ?[20:42:44] <stargater> ok mmu_man[20:43:19] <mmu_man> amiga had zorro[20:43:24] <mmu_man> atari had none per see[20:43:37] <mmu_man> late atari clones had pci (hades, milan...)[20:43:38] <urnenfeld> more stuff to had fun porting :)[20:43:53] *** alpha-lion has quit IRC[20:43:56] <mmu_man> mac LCs had none, late ones had nubus[20:43:59] <urnenfeld> hey the TI89 had that?[20:44:11] <stargater> oh oh = Jean-Baptiste Queru[20:44:12] <mmu_man> well I'll fake isa and pci bus with config manager[20:44:29] <mmu_man> TI89 ?[20:44:36] <mmu_man> it has a custom 68000[20:44:45] <stargater> http://osnews.com/story.php/18810/Review-HTC-TyTN-II-(Kaiser) = scroll down and look the photo[20:45:21] *** SprMa has quit IRC[20:45:31] <urnenfeld> aaa[20:46:45] <stargater> aaa ?[20:46:54] <stargater> aa , hmm[20:49:55] <mmu_man> hmm why do I get info files in german in binutils when I svn diff ??[20:49:58] <mmu_man> wtf[20:55:32] <mmu_man> CIA-39: awake ?[20:56:54] *** urnenfeld has left #haiku[20:57:29] <DeadYak> mmu_man: I've been mostly relying on the mailing list lately[20:57:54] <dr_evil> cia misses a lot[20:58:11] <MrSunshine> where in the haiku tree is jam ? :/[20:58:13] <DeadYak> I've seen CIA post commit messages hours after the commit happened before[20:58:18] <dr_evil> works too: http://svn.berlios.de/wsvn/haiku/?op=log&rev=0&sc=0&isdir=1[20:58:19] <DeadYak> MrSunshine: buildtools/jam[20:58:28] <mmu_man> MrSunshine: ../buildtools/trunk/jam[20:58:44] <MrSunshine> aww :P[20:58:58] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[20:59:06] * mmu_man plops DaaT[20:59:14] * DaaT borks mmu_man[20:59:45] <stargater> DaaT: mmu_man makes haiku ready for amiga ....[20:59:51] <DaaT> ah yes?[21:00:30] <stargater> DaaT: look on cia[21:00:47] <stargater> he have check-in some stuff[21:02:55] <MrSunshine> humm how bound to the core part of app server is the drawing stuff?[21:03:59] * DaaT pets mmu_man[21:08:33] <Yaroze> if i was gonna buy a wifi pc-card for use with BeOS/Haiku which one would be the best to get?[21:13:32] <kokito> Yaroze, I think I heard Stippi say that he was able to get wireless working in Haiku; I am not sure what wifi adapter it was, but if you ask the question on the Haiku mailing list, he may give you the answer.[21:15:59] <DaaT> oi tio jorge :)[21:18:27] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[21:20:31] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[21:21:28] * JonathanThompson pets DaaT and DeadYak and DaaT's sheep, too[21:22:56] * DaaT pets JonathanThompson[21:23:09] * JonathanThompson purrs like a Honda kitten[21:23:16] <DaaT> hybrid?[21:26:03] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[21:29:22] <JonathanThompson> Runs on Chef's Blend, DaaT :P[21:36:13] <mmu_man> binutils and gcc for cross compilation have been built successfully![21:36:14] <mmu_man> real 49m55.126s[21:36:14] <mmu_man> user 30m32.767s[21:36:15] <mmu_man> sys 12m4.429s[21:38:50] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[21:38:59] <DeadYak> mmu_man: nice![21:47:25] <PulkoMandy> :)[21:50:53] *** rdmr has quit IRC[21:59:14] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[21:59:26] <MrSunshine> ok haiku wont boot on my computer :P[21:59:41] <MrSunshine> comes to something like INIT: cpu idle loop[21:59:46] <MrSunshine> and then it just stands there[21:59:57] <DaaT> remove the CPU[21:59:58] <DaaT> it's causing a loop[21:59:59] * JonathanThompson hands MrSunshine's computer a new pair of running shoes[22:00:00] <DaaT> :P[22:00:32] * kokito kicks DaaT[22:00:40] <DaaT> hey!![22:00:41] <DaaT> old geezer[22:00:44] <DaaT> :P[22:00:49] <DaaT> bbiab[22:00:54] <kokito> :)[22:01:12] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[22:01:14] * JonathanThompson wonders if DaaT forces his sheep to hurry up and wait[22:07:48] *** Styrbjorn has quit IRC[22:08:53] *** oco has joined #haiku[22:11:39] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[22:18:54] <DaaT> re[22:19:16] <mmu_man> In file included from headers/private/kernel/boot/kernel_args.h:18, from headers/private/kernel/arch/cpu.h:13, from src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/isa/isa.c:19:[22:19:17] *** rdmr has quit IRC[22:19:19] *** Styrbjorn has joined #haiku[22:19:19] <mmu_man> headers/private/kernel/boot/platform/atari/platform_kernel_args.h:7:2: error: #error plop[22:19:22] <mmu_man> so it uses it[22:19:47] <mmu_man> headers/private/kernel/boot/kernel_args.h:18:34: error: platform_kernel_args.h: No such file or directory[22:19:52] <mmu_man> but now it doesn't find it !??[22:20:51] *** Styrbjorn has quit IRC[22:21:04] <mmu_man> !??[22:21:29] <mmu_man> oh, found ;à[22:29:43] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[22:30:10] *** piepsi has joined #haiku[22:32:50] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[22:43:58] <mmu_man> /tmp/cc9UzHPW.s:630: Error: Unknown operator -- statement `mfsprg2 %d0' ignored[22:43:59] <mmu_man> wtf[22:46:26] <mmu_man> looks like ppc code :)[22:46:51] <mmu_man> of course, copy-paste :)[22:47:59] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[22:48:37] <oco> mmu_man : what ? the m68k port is not yet finished ? ;-)[22:49:03] <PulkoMandy> :)[22:50:37] *** genkie has quit IRC[22:51:40] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[22:52:12] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[22:52:55] <DaaT> Thom_Holwerda[22:57:15] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[22:57:24] *** DaaT has quit IRC[22:57:55] *** magnetron has left #haiku[23:04:02] *** nielx has joined #haiku[23:04:09] <nielx> hola[23:08:09] *** Purposeless has joined #haiku[23:08:27] <Purposeless> who must I contact to delete my haiku-os.org accounts?[23:17:20] <mmu_man> *s* ? you spoof multiple ones ? :)[23:20:01] <nielx> Purposeless: Let me check if I have the permissions[23:20:57] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[23:21:41] <nielx> no, I don't[23:21:47] <nielx> you need to contact Gavin James[23:22:33] <nielx> or alternatively, file a bug report[23:23:55] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:38:31] *** Euver has joined #haiku[23:43:22] *** AndrevS has quit IRC[23:46:46] *** AndrevS has joined #haiku[23:47:27] *** Styrbjorn has joined #haiku[23:50:05] *** UndeadYak has joined #haiku[23:52:53] *** Leeila has joined #haiku[23:53:11] <mmu_man> oco: I got gcc building[23:53:29] *** Leeila has left #haiku[23:53:32] <mmu_man> want to help ?[23:54:00] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[23:54:00] *** UndeadYak is now known as DeadYak[23:54:23] <oco> mmu_man : well, i don't have any hardware for that[23:54:57] <oco> do you plan to finish something for Alchemie ?[23:56:54] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[23:58:24] <mmu_man> I hope so[23:58:37] <mmu_man> ok, crt files build :)[23:58:46] <DeadYak> mmu_man: that was where it failed last right?[23:59:01] <mmu_man> hmm yes but not the same ones[23:59:12] <DeadYak> oh[23:59:13] <mmu_man> that was teh crt files gcc builds on its own[23:59:14] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[23:59:21] <mmu_man> there it's our own from src/system/glue[23:59:23] <mmu_man> gcc works[23:59:26] <DeadYak> gotcha[23:59:42] <DeadYak> the glue stuff needs some asm support I'm guessing?