October 22, 2007 
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October 22, 2007 [00:03:56] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[00:06:17] *** acidx has joined #haiku[00:17:15] *** petterhj- has quit IRC[00:35:47] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[00:35:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[00:37:50] <Cube-ness> its sunday[00:40:13] *** urnenfeld has left #haiku[00:40:37] <MrSunshine> was[00:40:57] <plfiorini> what a boring night[00:41:21] <plfiorini> couldn't compile anything...[00:42:19] <Cube-ness> even successful compiling is boring[00:43:17] *** acidx has quit IRC[00:45:24] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[00:45:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[00:56:55] *** HeTo has quit IRC[00:59:38] *** BuildFactory has joined #haiku[01:05:02] <kad77> hey mmu_man[01:05:21] <mmu_man> plop[01:05:28] <kad77> nice sunday?[01:05:41] <mmu_man> well, still cold[01:06:03] <kad77> warm by me, nice warm wind too. lunky for october[01:06:10] <kad77> ha, *lucky[01:07:47] <kad77> I found out my 'newerror[01:08:33] <kad77> I found out my 'new' compile error is missing texinfo after all, but I'm not sure why - it is in $PATH and accessible[01:09:10] <kad77> my error looks exactly like this post: http://www.geexbox.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9169[01:09:45] <kad77> except, of course, installing texinfo package not actually fixing it. his building of binutils dies in exact same place[01:11:21] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[01:13:53] *** magnetron has quit IRC[01:20:22] *** JDifool has joined #haiku[01:20:53] <JDifool> good evening[01:21:42] <JDifool> hi mmu_man, I can't find your Boneyard addon skeleton anywhere on the web... could you please share it?[01:22:11] <mmu_man> it's probably on my other harddisk[01:22:18] <mmu_man> maybe someone has that on beshare[01:22:44] <JDifool> tryed it already.... unfortunately not[01:23:03] <JDifool> is there any reason why ao took it of your website?[01:23:20] *** acidx has joined #haiku[01:24:28] <mmu_man> it was on an old one that got removed[01:24:43] <mmu_man> I fixed the paths on bebits to point to the new one but never finish to populate it[01:24:44] <JDifool> to make a long story short, I was trying to use the Wireless Boneyard add-on to configu re my ORiNOCO card (using hfa384x_cs driver from BeBits) when I noticed that the add-on is no longer compatible with the actual version of the driver preferences...[01:25:06] <JDifool> i see[01:25:31] <mmu_man> can't find it on current hdd[01:25:34] *** MangoFusion has quit IRC[01:25:38] <mmu_man> will try later on the other one[01:25:41] <JDifool> anyway thanks for developping it[01:26:14] <JDifool> it would be great if you could put it online again[01:28:20] <JDifool> by the way, how can i know the syntax for a driver settings when i don't have a sample settings file (Be included a couple under home/config/settings/kernel/drivers/sample but not many...[01:29:21] <JDifool> i am looking specifically for the ymf715 (yamaha opl3-sa3) and for the neomagic ones...[01:30:16] <mmu_man> by looking at the source ? :=)[01:30:59] <JDifool> i don't have it, those drivers come compiled with BeOS...[01:31:30] <JDifool> i was hope there would be some shell command to find it out[01:32:03] <mmu_man> hmm no[01:32:16] <JDifool> rats![01:32:37] <JDifool> mmu_man are you still working on googlefs?[01:33:23] <mmu_man> no driver settings for ymf715[01:33:37] <JDifool> rats![01:33:54] <JDifool> can get no sound out of my libretto :([01:34:23] <JDifool> and the graphic card works only under VESA.... :([01:34:32] <mmu_man> # grep 'get_driver_.*parameter' *[01:34:33] <mmu_man> driver.c: item = get_driver_parameter (settings_handle, "accelerant", "", "");[01:34:33] <mmu_man> driver.c: current_settings.dumprom = get_driver_boolean_parameter (settings_handle, "dumprom", false, false);[01:34:34] <mmu_man> driver.c: item = get_driver_parameter (settings_handle, "logmask", "0x00000000", "0x00000000");[01:34:35] <mmu_man> driver.c: item = get_driver_parameter (settings_handle, "memory", "0", "0");[01:34:35] <mmu_man> driver.c: current_settings.hardcursor = get_driver_boolean_parameter (settings_handle, "hardcursor", false, false);[01:34:37] <mmu_man> driver.c: current_settings.usebios = get_driver_boolean_parameter (settings_handle, "usebios", false, false);[01:34:42] <mmu_man> from zeta[01:34:45] <mmu_man> for neomagic[01:34:55] <mmu_man> it's the usual ones, same syntax as nv[01:35:04] <mmu_man> hmm do'nt have much time for googlefs[01:35:18] <mmu_man> I sometimes fix the html parser as google likes to break their html code[01:35:33] <JDifool> :)[01:35:36] <JDifool> thnx[01:35:41] <umccullough> "break"? ;)[01:35:50] <umccullough> they like to break *your* parser! :D[01:36:26] <JDifool> pitty... have you ever considered a eBayFS? That would be great, just imagine live querying eBay![01:37:30] <mmu_man> no they like to change their html code which incidentally breaks my parser which is quite rigid[01:37:44] <mmu_man> but maybe they really want to break my code specifically :)[01:37:57] <mmu_man> ebay ?[01:37:59] <mmu_man> too expensive :p[01:38:04] <JDifool> i think this kind of projects can bring a lot of attention to haiku[01:38:07] <JDifool> ?[01:38:23] <mmu_man> I've been wondering about a BeshareFS for some time[01:38:24] <JDifool> you mean you have to pay as developper or what?[01:38:53] <mmu_man> no, well google probably won't agree using their name as a marketting argument[01:39:49] <Cube-ness> you dont use googlefs etc as a thing to market, rather as an example of the capabilities of the thing youre marketting[01:40:15] <JDifool> i didn't mean that, what i meant is when i think of an OS where i can run live queries of google, ebay, beshare, etc... i just want to have ;)[01:40:33] <JDifool> right, Cube-ness[01:41:39] <JDifool> Adam McNutt already started something in that direction: http://www.bebits.com/app/2531[01:41:54] <JDifool> but unfortunately is a static thing...[01:42:36] <mmu_man> CIA-11 wake up[01:42:39] <JDifool> i just thought that perhaps your GoogleFS with some changes could become the ultimate auction manager ;)[01:42:52] <JDifool> ?[01:43:02] <mmu_man> I'm not sure it really fits well[01:43:06] * umccullough kicks CIA-11[01:43:07] <CIA-11> ow[01:43:08] <mmu_man> except for finding stuff[01:43:19] <mmu_man> doesn't get svn ci ?[01:43:55] <JDifool> that alone would be great, but, connected to a scheduler it could also be a sniper!![01:50:09] <mmu_man> CIA-11 did you loose svn ?[01:50:18] * mmu_man reboots CIA-11[01:53:26] <umccullough> mmu_man, it's "lose" :)[01:53:31] <umccullough> common mistake[01:53:34] <mmu_man> I see :)[01:54:07] <mmu_man> hmm sure ?[01:54:14] <mmu_man> to loose[01:54:22] <umccullough> to loose is to let something go[01:54:31] <umccullough> as in, let something go loose[01:55:20] <umccullough> loose is pronounced with an 's' sound whereas lose is pronounced with a 'z' sound[01:55:51] <umccullough> both have a 'oo' sound otherwise[01:56:09] <umccullough> stupid english language ;)[01:56:18] <mmu_man> hmm right http://dict.die.net/lose/[01:56:29] <mmu_man> we have stupid things in french too[01:56:55] <JDifool> you mean, like the president?[01:57:01] <umccullough> loose vs. lose is an extremely common problem amongst native english speakers as well...[01:57:10] <umccullough> so, you shouldn't feel too bad :D[01:57:13] <JDifool> sorr, couldn't help myself ;)[01:57:35] <mmu_man> hope so I had 945/990 at toeic[01:57:47] <mmu_man> JDifool yeah, like that ;)[01:58:11] <mmu_man> we lought at bush and berlusconi...[01:58:45] <JDifool> nobody's safe...[02:03:50] <umccullough> mmu_man, i can't wait for the m68k port! ;)[02:04:00] * umccullough pets his LCIII[02:04:19] <mmu_man> I hope to have something to show for alchimie, but it's in 2 eeks[02:04:20] <JamesB192> 'This time you two have gone too far to turn back.' 'There is no way they can weigh the whey.'[02:05:48] <umccullough> mmu_man, that's pretty soon ![02:05:50] <umccullough> :)[02:06:24] <mmu_man> yeah[02:06:34] <JamesB192> Yeah, Bush is an idiot, I almost think we'd be better off with count midnight. Most people probably don't care that blackwater is sewage. ick.[02:07:10] <mmu_man> ok, n8[02:12:59] <plfiorini> night[02:13:02] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[02:13:09] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:14:47] <JDifool> n8[02:14:54] *** JDifool has quit IRC[02:54:25] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[03:02:08] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[03:03:12] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[03:25:24] *** stargate1 has joined #haiku[03:26:10] *** Darknesss has quit IRC[03:43:07] *** stargater has quit IRC[03:59:07] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[03:59:26] *** acidx has quit IRC[04:03:55] *** mmadia has quit IRC[04:37:47] *** stargate1 has quit IRC[04:59:18] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[05:21:49] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[05:46:00] *** JamesB192 has quit IRC[05:46:19] *** brycegroff_ has joined #haiku[05:46:22] <brycegroff_> sp8cwboy[05:46:36] <brycegroff_> wooohoooa[05:46:39] <brycegroff_> woops[05:47:03] <brycegroff_> please ignore my first message :)[05:48:43] <brycegroff_> has anyone tried to build gcj[06:00:15] <kad77> I haven't, but I am building gcc[06:02:19] <brycegroff_> Also I was wondering if anyone knows whether or not the /buildtools/branches part of the tree is used to build gcc for any target[06:07:15] *** frodobeg25 has quit IRC[06:24:00] *** brycegroff_ has quit IRC[06:24:50] *** brycegroff_ has joined #haiku[06:28:28] *** mmadia has quit IRC[06:30:13] *** brycegroff_ has quit IRC[06:31:26] *** rennj has quit IRC[06:35:06] *** brycegroff has joined #haiku[06:47:04] *** brycegroff has quit IRC[06:50:22] *** brycegroff_ has joined #haiku[07:03:56] *** brycegroff_ has quit IRC[07:05:20] *** frodobeg25 has joined #haiku[07:48:34] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[07:59:39] <Begasus> morning peeps[08:01:24] <kad77> hello[08:03:59] <JonathanThompson> Greetings, peeps and poops.[08:04:15] <JonathanThompson> Today I witnessed one of the odder deals I've ever seen.[08:05:08] <JonathanThompson> At least in this instance, a 1994 Saturn SC2 with a bit of wear and abuse was worth $320 in cash, one regular iPod (not working) and a working iPod Nano.[08:07:33] <kad77> and a bowl?[08:08:11] <JonathanThompson> No bowl.[08:08:50] <JonathanThompson> I'm hoping for my friend's sake that it all turns out to be a legally-sold car.[08:09:12] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[08:14:49] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[08:14:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[08:16:11] <kad77> JT: sounds liek a hippe car. hope he knows mechanics. :D[08:16:22] *** Begasus has quit IRC[08:16:53] <kad77> hey mmu_man, I fixed the gcc build problem - and submitted a bug report on it[08:17:22] <JonathanThompson> Well, the guy he bought it from had two cats (one a kitten) and two iguanas :P[08:18:21] <kad77> thats normal. the bundling is a little odd though. :D[08:19:05] <JonathanThompson> The whole thing was a bit odd, honestly. He was looking for a combination of cash, an iPod or two, and a laptop, or something along those lines, in exchange for the car.[08:19:24] <JonathanThompson> Hey, I can't make this up, I'm just reporting what happened :P[08:19:30] <JonathanThompson> Craig's List is involved.[08:20:29] <kad77> i bet[08:20:50] <JonathanThompson> After he got it, I watched him patch up messy parts of the paint job (white) with Universal White spray paint. Mind you, Saturns have a clear coat paint job....[08:21:06] <JonathanThompson> I bet it looks really odd in sunlight :P[08:21:11] <kad77> Usually plastic panels too[08:21:21] <JonathanThompson> The composite panels, too, yeah.[08:21:44] <JonathanThompson> I had a 93 model of the same coupe, but with more features, so he thought I'd be a good reference for him.[08:22:20] <kad77> They can get 200k miles[08:22:27] <JonathanThompson> And I'm driving a 2001 Saturn SL2 these days.[08:22:37] <JonathanThompson> I got 207K miles on my coupe before I traded it in.[08:23:08] <JonathanThompson> That, and battle damage, but the biggest reason I traded it in was the oil usage: it was accelerating, and at the time I traded it in, I was using a quart every 160 miles.[08:23:25] <JonathanThompson> I didn't want to spend the money on rebuilding the engine.[08:23:26] <kad77> I love high mileage. You can get 'new' cars more often with 100k+ miles[08:23:33] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[08:23:54] <JonathanThompson> I got my current one used, at what I feel was a fair price, due to the relatively low miles it had and the condition.[08:24:12] <kad77> I've had a toyota supra, and awd turbo eclipse do to long priced +100k miles jobs. fund for a summer, sell them again before anything goes wrong[08:24:19] <kad77> due[08:24:29] <JonathanThompson> It was one of those awkward cars for them to sell: to old to get good used car loan terms through a bank, but too new/low miles to sell it cheaply enough for most people to pay cash for.[08:24:50] <JonathanThompson> too old, that is.[08:25:01] <JonathanThompson> I bought it May of last year.[08:25:01] <mmu_man> kad77 which one, ppc ?[08:25:15] <JonathanThompson> It had 53K miles on it when I got it.[08:25:18] <kad77> wow, I'm tired. couple errors in that sentence. Anyway, I like my Maxima, but the hail damage I got late last year is making me look for something else early.[08:25:40] <kad77> mmu_man: well, I believe the error I found will hit everyone soon enough.[08:25:49] <kad77> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/1581[08:26:08] <JonathanThompson> Considering it's very close to what I previously owned, but perhaps a few minor refinements, I figured I knew exactly what I was getting into, and how to get the best use out of the thing.[08:26:11] <kad77> \sooner or later anyway[08:26:47] <JonathanThompson> So I wouldn't be surprised that outside of an accident causing it to die, I'll add 200K+ miles to it before I need to replace it.[08:27:01] <kad77> JonathanThompson: you hope so, but sometimes they make engine or other changes. some years are bad even on a model you like[08:27:09] <JonathanThompson> True.[08:27:47] <JonathanThompson> Oddly enough, my best understanding is I probably got one of the worse engine mutations for my first car, in terms of oil usage: as of yet, this car doesn't use any oil, where my first one did by this number of miles.[08:28:24] <kad77> well, sadly you only have to run low on oil a couple times on some cars and they become burners[08:28:40] <JonathanThompson> However, this one has an automatic transmission, and my first one was manual: I've heard some perhaps scary things about the automatics in the year or two around this model year.[08:28:51] <JonathanThompson> I'm aware of that, kad77 :)[08:29:52] <kad77> Yeah, I got this maxima used and the prior owner had not flushed the tranny every 30k like he should have. At 100k, I may have had it done the first time, and it was nasty looking. that was 60k lmiles ago, and zero problems, however[08:29:53] <JonathanThompson> And I can tell what (of many things) happened to the car my friend bought: the owners really didn't know how to take care of the car, or chose not to, so it has a rebuilt engine (so they claim) that after we drove it off and stopped at a gas station, we found it was 2 quarts low on oil.[08:30:14] <kad77> ugh[08:30:32] <JonathanThompson> So, I warned him to watch the oil usage at least every gas tank to verify the oil usage patterns.[08:30:45] <kad77> for $300, all he needs is a couple months and it paid for itself. 6 months and he is driving pure profit[08:31:00] <JonathanThompson> The engine didn't sound dry, oddly enough, and works well, minus the issue with needing an O2 sensor.[08:31:15] <kad77> also, on a car that burns a lot, you can use 20w50 oil and it slows it way down[08:31:18] <JonathanThompson> That becomes apparent once it warms up.[08:31:19] <mmu_man> kad77 really building the doc should be optional[08:31:53] <JonathanThompson> Well, I've also read that using such a high viscosity oil for tight-fitting engines tends to acelerate their aging for seals.[08:31:55] <kad77> mmu_man: I totally agree. In the current haiku script, though, you cannot build the buildtools targets without makeinfo[08:32:09] <mmu_man> I successfully set up gcc4 in zeta once[08:32:14] <mmu_man> and it doesn't have it[08:32:33] <kad77> JonathanThompson: you are assuming the engine is still tight sealing. If you are burning oil, it isn't[08:32:34] <mmu_man> maybe that was before an update to buildtools dunno[08:32:44] <kad77> saved an old acura integra that way[08:32:49] <JonathanThompson> kad77, even then, it'll accelarate it.[08:33:00] <JonathanThompson> It may be more of an issue with aluminum engine blocks.[08:33:11] <kad77> maybe so, I did this when I was younger! :D[08:33:25] <JonathanThompson> (I'd have to reearch that, but I know Saturns have aluminum engine blocks with steel cylinder sleeves)[08:34:12] <JonathanThompson> Well, I tried the synthetic oil, and more expensive "higher mileage" oil on my old car, and it made exactly no useful difference except to the sellers of the oil :P[08:34:40] <kad77> mmu_man: what can I say, the current setup will not build 'binutils' without that patch for it to find makeinfo on a fresh linux x86 system. If it should build without that, perhaps I will file another bug[08:35:08] <JonathanThompson> I'll also note that my 93 coupe I used synthetic oil quite a bit in its younger years, but with extended oil change intervals, which might not have worked out as well as hoped.[08:35:10] <kad77> jt: exactly, the syn on and older car isn't worth it[08:35:43] <kad77> you can use a blend if its in good shape, but if its a worn engine it won't fix it. :D The reason I use it is so I can safely go 5k+ without worrying[08:35:48] <JonathanThompson> I'm not going to bother with synthetic and trying to make it go long periods without changing, and instead just go with ordinary stuff changed every 3K miles or so.[08:36:17] <Cube-ness> hi[08:36:25] <JonathanThompson> (And keep a watch by checking it between oil changes so it doesn't catch me by surprise)[08:36:40] <mmu_man> kad77 did you check as I said, an older svn rev for binutils ?[08:36:57] <JonathanThompson> I'm hoping I've gotten lucky with this particular engine and that's not an issue, but I know better than to trust reality to work out the way I want it to :P[08:38:00] <kad77> mmu_man: yes, I grabbed the svn of the version you said. I ran into the same error --- which by the way, is not a haiku error, but a shortcoming in the binutils configure script[08:38:15] <kad77> my patch just lets it check extra digits with grep[08:38:30] <mmu_man> did you check if binutils have a bug entry on their own ?[08:38:35] <mmu_man> they should know about it[08:38:38] <mmu_man> maybe it's even already fixed[08:38:48] <JonathanThompson> This morning I was lying on my couch, half awake with the TV on, and all of a sudden, I hear a crash sound and the flapping around of the vertical window blinds in my apartment, and I had a response of "WTH???" and I instantly wondered if the crane outside my apartment building on my side had attacked.[08:39:11] <kad77> perhaps, I didn't check. Wouldn't surprise me if it was found. Embarassingly it took 5 hours over three days to find this! :D[08:40:21] <mmu_man> it might as well be actually a bug in the autoconf/autofoo/autocrap that generated the configure script...[08:43:59] <JonathanThompson> You know what one of the sadder things about my current car versus what Saturn now sells, is, kad77? Saturn doesn't currently have a car in their lineup that gets as good of mileage.[08:44:00] <kad77> I dunno. But when Ubuntu moves to a later texnfo package, I think people will run into it. Fedora 7 uses it too. Autoconf is on 2.61 now, our scripts are built with 2.59 if that helps[08:44:32] <kad77> JonathanThompson: that is awful. I am thinking of getting a VW diesel. My friend has one and claims 50mpg[08:45:10] <JonathanThompson> So, not only do I not have a car payment, but I have a car that gets better mileage than most on the road, which makes it even cheaper, especially around here with the gas prices and traffic.[08:45:31] <kad77> drive it till the wheel come off[08:45:33] <JonathanThompson> It isn't the fastest or slowest car, but that's largely wasted beyond what I've got in the traffic snarls around here anyway.[08:45:55] <kad77> I gave up being a fast driver years ago. :D not good for ins rates[08:46:06] <JonathanThompson> I intend on driving it until it gets more expensive to keep using it than not.[08:46:39] <JonathanThompson> (For whatever car I could replace it with, anyway)[08:46:49] <kad77> I do most of my own car repairs, so it can be hard to call it quits if I like the car. I don't like the look of the newer nissans, and this one isn't ready to die[08:47:16] <JonathanThompson> Well, if it's going strong still, is safe and efficient, absolutely, keep it.[08:47:25] <JonathanThompson> (And it isn't costing a fortune to keep on repairing)[08:47:46] <kad77> It's only problem is cosmetic; it looks like a golf ball[08:47:53] <JonathanThompson> My oldest brother inherited my Dad's pickup, and got it with (IIRC) 340K miles on it.[08:48:09] <kad77> no rebuild on the motor? or trans?[08:48:32] <JonathanThompson> One trans rebuild at 178K: engine never rebuilt at that time.[08:48:46] <kad77> nice[08:48:57] <JonathanThompson> The trans died again like clockwork at another 178K miles, and he tried getting it rebuilt, but it didin't hold.[08:49:16] <JonathanThompson> So he sold/gave it to a friend who fixes things up, and AFAIK, it's still beating around the Utah desert :P[08:49:23] <kad77> could have bought a yard one for $500 or less though. :D[08:49:44] <JonathanThompson> My brother isn't an auto mechanic :P[08:49:59] <JonathanThompson> Thing is, that engine was solid still at 280K, I know.[08:50:06] <JonathanThompson> Still sounded like new.[08:50:06] <kad77> yeah, but many shade tree types work for beer and a few bucks. :D[08:50:45] <JonathanThompson> Oh well, there's a point of diminishing returns, and it depends on what you can afford to deal with in terms of time and risk :P[08:51:18] <kad77> Sure. I had a F150 low geared, and two fifty gallon tanks. Talk about diminishing return![08:51:19] <JonathanThompson> And keep in mind, he was making long trips with it in the Utah desert, in the middle of nowhere of people (most of Utah by definition)[08:51:33] <kad77> like 9 - 12 mpg[08:51:44] <JonathanThompson> This was an 83 D150 3/4 ton pickup with a 318 V8, last of the carburetors.[08:52:07] <kad77> I've found that long trips are better for cars longevity than stop and go driving[08:52:25] <JonathanThompson> The engine didn't put out much power, really, for its size, but boringly reliable, and my Dad knew exactly how to maintain it.[08:52:36] <JonathanThompson> That's my understanding as well, kad77.[08:52:43] <kad77> 318 had a long run of popularity[08:52:56] <JonathanThompson> It's also better that at least every once in awhile, you stomp on the gas and clear out the soot.[08:53:07] <JonathanThompson> My Dad did that in that truck, too, with drag races :P[08:53:16] <kad77> ha. best way, of course[08:53:47] <JonathanThompson> I drove my 93 coupe with that being a regular thing (stomping on it) and it never failed to respond, even up to the last time I drove it.[08:54:00] <kad77> you need a v8 for any short run driving, the torque really helps from a stop[08:54:00] <JonathanThompson> I'm not one that lets much soot build up in engines :P[08:54:12] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[08:54:20] <kad77> short run driving === short run racing[08:54:45] <JonathanThompson> Commuting around here has to be hard on cars....[08:54:56] <JonathanThompson> So much start-n-stop slow snarl driving.[08:55:32] <JonathanThompson> It's not uncommon for me to reach peak highway speeds on the off ramp, with that speed being higher than the interstate itself.[08:55:40] <Cube-ness> JonathanThompson: hey, so i got offered that job.[08:55:47] <JonathanThompson> And, Cube-ness?[08:56:03] <Cube-ness> gonna call tomorrow with the intention of accepting[08:56:14] <JonathanThompson> I see. Did they mention a $ figure?[08:56:36] <Cube-ness> thats why i said 'intention' and not 'am gonna'[08:56:50] <JonathanThompson> Well, I had to clarify :)[08:56:58] <JonathanThompson> For all you know, perhaps they'll lowball you.[08:57:18] <Cube-ness> perhaps.. but i feel pretty good about it[08:57:25] *** Kernel86_ has joined #Haiku[08:57:48] <JonathanThompson> You won't know if you don't check it out, so I won't go further :P[08:58:39] <JonathanThompson> I suspect, for example, what would be a good income there where you're currently at wouldn't get you more than a small apartment in this area.[08:59:34] <Cube-ness> yeah.. i have a good idea of the salary range i need to get[08:59:49] *** rennj has joined #haiku[08:59:55] <JonathanThompson> Sanity check: what would a 1300 square foot house where you're at cost in the range of?[09:00:04] <JonathanThompson> (To buy)[09:00:44] <Cube-ness> depends.. 250-350k or so i suppose[09:01:23] <JonathanThompson> Well, you might be able to get one around that price in this area, if you're willing to commute and not take a very nice one...[09:01:47] <JonathanThompson> And it'd come with a lot not much larger than the house's foundation :P[09:05:36] <JonathanThompson> Stupid century21 website doesn't work in SeaMonkey in BeOS.... grumble...[09:06:57] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[09:08:15] *** [1]kad77 has joined #haiku[09:09:24] *** Euver has joined #haiku[09:11:58] *** magnetron has joined #haiku[09:13:16] <JonathanThompson> Hey Cube-ness, I see a Bellevue condo with 1 bedroom, 1 bath and 690 square feet for $200K :P[09:13:54] <Cube-ness> heh..[09:15:56] <JonathanThompson> I know there are brick condos/rowhouses/whatever being built on the north end of downtown Bellevue that start at 1500 square feet and $7xxK.[09:19:04] <Cube-ness> thats pretty ridiculous[09:19:22] <JonathanThompson> Sure, it's a great location, but... who will be able to afford them?[09:19:47] <JonathanThompson> They'd better offer perfect soundproofing from the neighbors for that price.[09:21:04] <[1]kad77> I think you can still get 50 acres in Montana for $500k[09:21:28] <JonathanThompson> It appears the bottom end price for an approximately 1300 square foot property is $350K in Bellevue, and that's a condo.[09:21:54] <JonathanThompson> Sure, [1]kad77 but then you're out in the middle of nothing except perhaps cow poop :)[09:22:13] <JonathanThompson> But, if you want it quiet, that sounds like a good choice.[09:24:32] *** kad77 has quit IRC[09:24:33] *** [1]kad77 is now known as kad77[09:25:10] <JonathanThompson> I suspect for that kind of price, kad77, you would need to do a septic tank, drive your own well, and provide your own power generation otherwise, because you'd be off the beaten path.[09:26:01] <kad77> I have everything but the power generation now. :D[09:26:12] <JonathanThompson> I'm sure $500K could buy a lot of land in Wyoming, but wow, for the most part, a very desolate state :P[09:26:32] <kad77> Sure, but I wouldn't be paying millions for peanuts[09:26:53] <JonathanThompson> I came very close to being in deep trouble along I-90 (I think it was) due to not having a debit/credit card and needing gas, because the only gas station I was certain of was automated.[09:27:59] <JonathanThompson> I just happened to be there at the time that the maintenance guy for it showed up, so I got lucky.[09:28:31] <kad77> Not a fun time![09:29:17] <JonathanThompson> I bet I could find a piece of land to squat on, and as long as I didn't go in and out and leave tracks, nobody would notice me for a year.[09:29:42] <kad77> There's thinking. I've heard caves are nice this time of year. :D[09:30:25] <JonathanThompson> I bet I could find places in Washington state I could say the same thing about, with the difference being that I can find heavily forested sections to nest in :P[09:31:19] <kad77> Bring a hammock[09:31:47] <JonathanThompson> That might upset the ecoterrorists too much :P[09:32:33] <JonathanThompson> "You're strangling the helpless tree! YOU MUST BURN!"[09:32:52] <kad77> Drive a few nails into the trees for good measure. Oh wait, they do that[09:33:28] * JonathanThompson wonders if there's any sort of dwelling they'd approve of[09:33:50] <Cube-ness> who?[09:33:50] <kad77> maybe you need to buy a nice property where there is more land --- and use the rest for a helicopter to get into the city[09:34:21] <JonathanThompson> Yeah, but I've not found a Helipad-and-ride lot yet :P[09:35:10] <kad77> make one out of a parking garage. just pre-rent four spaces on the roof for 5 years. Maybe they will give you a discount[09:35:33] <kad77> might want to chck on that before you lease the helicopter[09:35:40] <JonathanThompson> An interesting thought.... that'd likely be (at current prices) about $1000/month.[09:36:11] <JonathanThompson> And then there's the noise issue: compression brake use is illegal in most of this area.[09:36:14] <kad77> A modest expense for a man with his own helicopter[09:36:22] <JonathanThompson> Never mind the fact that this area has lots of long steep hills.[09:37:19] <kad77> :> I can't believe I'm still up[09:37:29] <JonathanThompson> One of the longer off ramps of WA-520 going into Redmond has a 7% grade sign: the ramp is >1/4 mile long, and you drop quite a bit in altitude, and accelerate quite a bit while doing it.[09:38:07] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[09:38:08] <JonathanThompson> I've not measured it very well with my odometer, because... I've been too concerned with navigating the curve and slowing down well enough to bother :)[09:38:32] <kad77> :D[09:39:10] <JonathanThompson> I know there are some Seattle city streets with 21% grades, and there are steeper driveways in the area.[09:39:40] <kad77> sounds like SF[09:39:49] * JonathanThompson loves streets where you go just short of the peak of the hill and you can't see anything but sky in front of you[09:40:03] <JonathanThompson> But cooler and perhaps damper most of the time :)[09:40:17] <JonathanThompson> With a lot more evergreens.[09:40:37] <JonathanThompson> (And no palm trees)[09:41:35] <kad77> I think I must run -- zapped[09:41:41] <JonathanThompson> I've seen driveways along Lake Sammamish that have inverted ridges for traction.[09:41:48] <JonathanThompson> Bye, kad77.[09:41:53] <kad77> night[09:41:56] <JonathanThompson> I suspect only 4*4's can reliably get up them.[09:48:54] *** JBurton has joined #haiku[09:48:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o JBurton[09:48:59] <JBurton> hi all[09:52:26] <AlexForster> it's funny.. the whole apple store experience, even down to the job application process, is so steve-jobs-inspired[09:52:31] <AlexForster> everyone who works there wears black sweaters[09:52:38] <AlexForster> the stores are *not* outdone by the beautiful hardware they feature[09:52:59] <AlexForster> they make sure everyone that works there is friendly and diverse ('cause jobs is a love-your-neighbors hippy)[09:53:05] <AlexForster> the job app is only like: your name, location, and resume[09:53:20] <AlexForster> you don't have to answer 50 "am i on a greencard or vesa?" questions, and there's no personality test.. they'll do that in the interview[09:53:24] <AlexForster> it's real cool, i <3 apple[09:59:24] <Stamrogh> ?[10:00:05] <Stamrogh> unprovocoted apple praise[10:01:48] <AlexForster> basically[10:03:33] <AlexForster> i was looking into working at an apple store, which would basically be a part-time just-above-min-wage job, and the application process was 100x better than i expected.. they really want quality[10:05:34] <JBurton> that means you'll be never able to get inside[10:05:35] <JBurton> :P[10:05:53] <JBurton> sorry crappy joke[10:11:35] *** cyrann has quit IRC[10:17:04] <IcePic> then again, just because they want the best does not mean they still wont suck. =)[10:19:44] <kokito> good night folks[10:20:14] *** kokito has quit IRC[10:32:39] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[10:34:35] *** rennj has quit IRC[10:42:13] *** Euver has quit IRC[10:42:57] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[10:45:39] *** Euver has joined #haiku[10:47:19] <Ingenu> hi[10:47:53] <Begasus> hi[11:03:12] *** JBurton has quit IRC[11:06:00] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[11:06:25] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[11:08:42] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[11:09:06] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[11:16:42] *** rennj has joined #haiku[11:20:47] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[11:21:07] <plfiorini> for i in $users; do echo "hi $i"; done[11:21:16] <Cube-ness> ok[11:23:20] <Begasus> else do "hi plfiorini"[11:26:21] <Ketsuban> break;[11:26:45] <Begasus> ;)[11:28:10] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[11:32:19] *** MangoFusion has joined #haiku[11:34:01] <plfiorini> hi Begasus !![11:34:16] *** HeTo has quit IRC[11:34:43] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[11:36:30] <Begasus> pause 660;[11:36:32] <Begasus> ;)[11:36:42] <JonathanThompson> pause 666;[11:36:44] <JonathanThompson> :)[11:36:47] <JonathanThompson> (Evil waiting)[11:36:51] <Begasus> morning JonathanThompson ;)[11:36:54] <Begasus> figures ;)[11:37:20] <JonathanThompson> Or something like that :) Darn body doesn't want to cooperate with my higher consciousness and its order to "Sleep, Locutus!"[11:37:40] * Ingenu tired[11:37:44] <Ingenu> and it's only the morning[11:37:56] <JonathanThompson> Time for you to go back to bed, Ingenu.[11:38:17] <Ingenu> I'm wondering whether I'm sick[11:38:51] <JonathanThompson> Mentally or physically?[11:40:24] <Ingenu> both[11:40:44] <Ingenu> I think[11:41:34] <Cube-ness> heh[11:44:34] *** Darknesss has joined #haiku[12:01:58] <Cube-ness> cant-sleepiness gets old[12:02:01] <Cube-ness> hehe[12:05:05] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[12:20:47] *** Euver has quit IRC[12:43:43] *** MangoFusion has quit IRC[12:46:20] *** magnetron has quit IRC[12:59:53] * plfiorini notices how boring is the analysis phase[13:17:55] *** MangoFusion has joined #haiku[13:25:19] *** Begasus is now known as Begasus_bbl[13:27:48] *** jamesu_ has joined #haiku[13:40:42] *** rennj has quit IRC[13:41:34] *** MangoFusion has quit IRC[13:47:25] *** a2n_ has joined #haiku[13:50:23] *** JBurton has joined #haiku[13:50:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o JBurton[13:59:51] *** JBurton has quit IRC[14:02:32] *** a2n_ has left #haiku[14:30:57] *** tic has quit IRC[14:32:21] *** tic has joined #haiku[14:35:21] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[14:37:57] *** TuneTracker has joined #Haiku[14:41:32] *** TheNerd_WK has joined #haiku[14:41:49] *** TheNerd_WK has quit IRC[14:43:34] *** smooki has joined #haiku[14:43:36] <smooki> hi[14:45:10] *** TheNerd_WK has joined #haiku[14:48:40] *** smooki has left #haiku[14:57:18] *** TheNerd_WK has quit IRC[15:09:03] *** stippi has joined #haiku[15:09:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[15:14:11] *** stargater has joined #haiku[15:14:17] <stargater> hi[15:16:14] <stippi> hi stargater[15:16:25] <stargater> Hi stippi[15:16:51] <stargater> mmu_man makes haiku ready for m68k ?[15:17:40] * IcePic would like a good m68k emulator with mmu support.[15:19:52] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[15:20:06] *** Begasus_bbl is now known as Begasus[15:20:11] <stargater> hi Begasus[15:20:21] <Begasus> hi stargater[15:20:26] <Begasus> 'lo stippi[15:25:41] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[15:35:35] <stargater> cu later[15:35:36] *** stargater has quit IRC[15:58:03] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[15:58:31] *** mats has quit IRC[16:04:30] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[16:13:09] <DeadYak> what the...[16:13:50] * Begasus pets DeadYak[16:13:53] <Begasus> what's up?[16:14:06] <DeadYak> just weirdness on the mailing list[16:14:36] <Begasus> hmm ... haven't recieved anything new here ...[16:14:45] <Begasus> maybe some other list then ;)[16:15:36] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[16:16:00] *** TheNerd_WK has joined #haiku[16:18:46] <DeadYak> Begasus: the dev list[16:18:59] <Begasus> ah k[16:19:02] <Begasus> thought so[16:21:19] *** jamesu_ is now known as MangoFusion[16:22:42] *** hummin has joined #haiku[16:23:19] <hummin> Totally weird IRC client for os x I got ahold of[16:23:31] <hummin> anyone got any reckomendations accept for ircle ?[16:24:07] <Ingenu> there was that client which was like Trillian for mac[16:24:11] <Ingenu> can't remember the name[16:24:34] <hummin> oh.. you mean the im-multi-client app[16:24:41] <Ingenu> www.adiumx.com[16:24:48] <hummin> yeah[16:24:53] <hummin> didn't know that it handled irc[16:24:56] <hummin> *getting it*[16:25:04] <Ingenu> I don't know if it does ^^[16:25:16] <Ingenu> I just remember it was like Trillian, and Trillian does handle IRC[16:25:59] <hummin> yeah.. I've used trillian.. well, I was gettin adium x anyways[16:26:19] <hummin> so let's find out if it handles irc or not[16:26:28] <hummin> anyhow.. what's new?[16:26:40] <hummin> are more people running haiku on hardware now ?[16:26:47] <hummin> with the new sata stuff and all[16:27:36] <Ingenu> well I don't[16:27:41] <Ingenu> Haiku changed head[16:27:47] <Ingenu> also new structure[16:28:10] <hummin> yeah.. I saw some news-headline about that[16:28:15] <hummin> michael's out?[16:28:21] <DeadYak> hummin: I've had it running on real hardware since the legacy SATA drivers were released[16:28:24] <DeadYak> hummin: yep[16:29:01] <hummin> DeadYak: sweet stuff!.. I tried two times with different partitions on my workstation computer[16:29:25] <hummin> gonna give it another try, and then have a look at the source code for MeV, was my plan[16:29:50] *** TheNerd_WK has quit IRC[16:30:23] <hummin> see if I can use it as the sequencer-part of an audio-application-project[16:30:28] <hummin> any MeV developer in here?[16:31:12] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[16:31:53] <DeadYak> I thought MeV was pretty much written by one guy, I could be mistaken though[16:32:11] <hummin> yeah.. initially anyways[16:32:36] <hummin> about haiku.. is the midi/audio parts of the api there?[16:32:53] <hummin> is = are[16:34:20] <stippi> hummin: MeV is great[16:34:43] <stippi> DeadYak: I think it was three guys[16:34:56] <stippi> one guy initially wrote it, but it was called different[16:35:05] <stippi> he had lots of MIDI experience it seems[16:35:20] <hummin> cool[16:35:27] <stippi> later it was picked up by Christopher Lenz (if I got the spelling right)[16:35:33] <stippi> and someone else[16:35:34] <hummin> I only have lots of experience working with audio/midi apps[16:35:46] <stippi> Christopher is one of the Cortex devs[16:36:12] <hummin> cubase and reason mainly.. but since I develop for a living, and produce music as a hobby, I thought i'd combine that[16:36:13] <stippi> hummin: if you worked on MeV, that'd be great[16:36:22] <DeadYak> stippi: I wonder...source isn't available for Sequitur is it?[16:36:32] <stippi> I think it is a very solid base for a BeOS application[16:36:39] <stippi> no I don't think it is[16:36:44] <DeadYak> darn :/[16:36:45] <hummin> stippi: yeah.. it seems that way..[16:36:58] <hummin> Let's find out if it compiles for haiku[16:37:22] <stippi> I have not tried to run it on Haiku...[16:38:01] <stippi> hummin: I have another video/audio editing project going... I hope it will be opensourced, but I am not the one to decide that.[16:38:02] <hummin> I'm getting the vmware image to install in paralells[16:38:08] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[16:38:35] <hummin> plfiorini: nice!.. but I haven't figured out how to do private messaging with this app yet..[16:38:46] <plfiorini> hummin: ok[16:38:58] <hummin> yeah.. it sounds interresting[16:39:13] <hummin> do you have any IM client.. like msn ?[16:39:21] <plfiorini> hummin: http://dev.osdrawer.net/projects/hyperion/ but i didn't have much time these days[16:39:45] <plfiorini> hummin: still pre-pre-pre-pre-alpha[16:40:16] <plfiorini> hummin: the first step is to (re)learn the beapi, drag & drop, messages, media kit, etc...[16:40:48] <hummin> bookmarking it[16:42:17] <hummin> I'll checkout the svn tree and have a look in a bit[16:42:48] <hummin> as soon as I've got an base development environment setup[16:44:18] <plfiorini> hummin: i'm doing some work to my dev env too, just got virtualpc 2007 and it seems better than vmware server[16:52:07] *** HeTo has quit IRC[16:55:03] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[17:00:31] <Begasus> cya'll later[17:01:32] <hummin> running haiku in vmware fusion on os x right now[17:01:36] <hummin> works fine[17:02:06] <hummin> even tried bedev and made simple BeApp[17:02:17] <hummin> nice[17:02:30] *** hummin has quit IRC[17:02:39] *** Begasus has quit IRC[17:04:32] *** HeToN800 has quit IRC[17:09:40] *** genkie has joined #haiku[17:13:04] *** Hummin has joined #haiku[17:13:11] <Hummin> yay.. running vision in haiku[17:13:26] <Hummin> I feel all reinfatuated by the system[17:13:33] <Hummin> now that so much stuff works[17:15:32] <Ingenu> :)[17:16:22] <DeadYak> :)[17:17:14] <Hummin> weeeee[17:17:24] <Hummin> does any version of firefox run in haiku ?[17:17:34] <DeadYak> used to, it's broken atm I think[17:17:43] <DeadYak> Net+ from R5 will work though[17:17:47] <Hummin> I'm pulling some 2.x version for bone from beshare, cause opera won't start anymore[17:17:51] <Hummin> aah.. damn[17:17:57] <DeadYak> you can try though[17:18:01] <DeadYak> I'm pretty sure it's still broken though[17:18:29] <Hummin> getting the R5 version instead[17:18:42] <Hummin> can haiku compile itself?[17:19:10] <DeadYak> nope, that's the goal for an official alpha release[17:19:44] <Hummin> ahaa[17:20:00] <Hummin> I'll just pull the tree back in osx then[17:23:06] <Hummin> now that both icons and icon labels have black 1px borders, it really makes the lack of black borders on the windows feel wrong[17:25:58] *** Hummin has quit IRC[17:26:18] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[17:26:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[17:26:41] <dr_evil> hi stippi[17:26:49] <stippi> dr_evil: hi![17:27:10] <stippi> dr_evil: are you still working on SATA a bit? I cannot boot yet, it still just locks up[17:27:17] <stippi> and I have almost the same MB as you[17:27:32] *** cyrann has joined #haiku[17:27:51] <stippi> (here is shows up in the channel and is attacked immediately)[17:29:02] <dr_evil> didn't have the time, sorry[17:36:18] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[17:36:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[17:40:13] *** cyrann has quit IRC[17:42:37] *** kokito has joined #haiku[17:54:47] <kad77> kokito, who was the person who got the BeBook rights from Access again?[17:57:54] <kokito> kad77, it was me, but the final authorization never came from Access. Why?[17:58:34] <stippi> which was at the same time David got busy with yellowTAB, wasn't it?[17:59:53] <kad77> kokito, i thought so, but I wasn't sure. I was wondering the name of the open source director you talked to, and what your personal impression was. (maybe better out of channel?)[18:00:36] <kad77> hi stippi. anyone ever hear a word from mr korz, btw? been months. :D[18:00:53] <kokito> his name is David "Lefty" Schlesinger, and my impression was always VERY GOOD, until he stopped responding to my emails, that is. :)[18:00:56] <stippi> nope. And I don't really think we will...[18:01:06] <kokito> hey stippi :)[18:01:16] <stippi> hi kokito :-)[18:01:19] <kad77> stippi: I bet[18:01:58] <kad77> kokito: sorry to hear he fell off. so the most haiku, inc has is 'unofficial' endorsement of rights for bebook, yes? :/[18:02:38] <kokito> unofficial endorsement is an oxymoron kad77 :)[18:02:53] <stippi> kokito: I don't know... what if we just made them public as is?[18:03:05] <mmu_man> kad77 I had[18:03:20] <stippi> mmu_man: heard something from Bernd, you mean?[18:03:23] <mmu_man> yes[18:03:29] <stippi> is he ok?[18:03:33] <kokito> stippi, I would not do that if I were Haiku, but that's not my call to make.[18:03:35] <mmu_man> seems so[18:04:18] <kad77> kokito: unofficial from Access; I thought he was publically positive about it.[18:04:57] <stippi> kad77: Access requested to give their final ok before we published, IIRC.[18:04:58] <kokito> kad77, yes he was positive about it; but there is no such thing as unofficial permission[18:05:18] <kad77> i misspoke[18:06:12] <kad77> Has Access discussed how much Be IP is intertwined in any current products?[18:06:17] <dr_evil> Mr Korz blog: http://www.berndsworld.com/[18:06:26] <kokito> kad77, Be IP as in code?[18:06:42] <kad77> dr_evil: yes, I noticed it was bak online a few weeks ago. It had all zeta stuff scrubbed[18:07:25] <kad77> kokito: sure, where it ended up. PalSource codebase is all pointed towards linux, but I would think it is in some embedded products out there[18:08:17] <kokito> kad77, I never had any discussions about BeOS code with Access; it was only about legacy documentation.[18:08:39] <dr_evil> kad77 I didn't notice that, didn't care about it, but just checked it right now as you asked[18:09:00] <kad77> sure. I was wondering if they ever had any mention of it, that people in here are aware of. I've never found any references from them[18:09:54] <kad77> dr_evil: at least he is back online; it would be too bad if the whole fiasco made him drop off, thats all[18:10:47] <kokito> kad77, sorry, but I can only talk about the discussions that I have with David@Access. :)[18:11:21] <kad77> no problem, thanks for entertaining my questions. :D[18:11:50] <mmu_man> bbl[18:11:51] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[18:11:56] *** mikesum32 has joined #haiku[18:12:29] *** SprMa has quit IRC[18:13:17] *** ddew|bofh has joined #haiku[18:13:19] <ddew|bofh> lo[18:15:49] <kad77> hello[18:17:12] <DeadYak> kad77: I can safely tell you that even PalmOS Cobalt used practically none of the IP, even less so now.[18:17:36] <DeadYak> kad77: the IP was more of a side effect of the acquisition, they wanted the engineering team and that's it really[18:20:59] <kad77> DeadYak: thx, just filling in the mental picture. Palm Garnet won't even hit any current Treos; I wonder if it will be used much anywhere[18:22:53] <dr_evil> kad77 well i would be pleased if he dropped it off[18:23:38] <kad77> dr_evil: I never knew him; just that he left a big mess. :/[18:30:16] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[18:31:20] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[18:32:19] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[18:34:06] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[18:34:22] *** lorglas has quit IRC[18:34:34] <ddew|bofh> heh, talk about a true sign of nerddom. when the biggest thing in your kitchen no longer is the fridge :P[18:35:32] <ddew|bofh> finally managed to coax the rackcase in there and it's bloody huge[18:35:37] <ddew|bofh> looks awesom ethough[18:38:40] <kad77> that huge deal you bought of ebay?[18:40:18] <ddew|bofh> yeah[18:40:37] <ddew|bofh> 25u of wheelmounted IBM-goodness :)[18:41:46] <MangoFusion> so what are you putting in the rackcase?[18:42:08] <ddew|bofh> got a great deal on it too, paid 150 bucks for something worth atleast 1500[18:42:19] <ddew|bofh> i'm hooking up my servers in there[18:42:37] <ddew|bofh> i have a couple of webservers[18:44:24] <kad77> what was the shipping cost on that beast? ;)[18:45:39] <ddew|bofh> about 15 bucks, it was local so i just had to rent a trailer :P[18:45:59] <ddew|bofh> was a total pita to get in here though[18:48:24] *** cyrann has joined #haiku[18:50:34] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[19:02:41] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[19:14:16] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[19:14:50] *** lorglas has quit IRC[19:17:28] *** cyrann has quit IRC[19:18:53] <DeadYak> ddew|bofh: you have your servers in the kitchen? o.0[19:25:22] *** stippi has quit IRC[19:27:31] *** Negr0 has joined #haiku[19:39:51] *** genkie has quit IRC[19:47:46] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[19:48:46] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[19:53:26] *** Euver has joined #haiku[19:59:32] *** TheNerd_WK has joined #haiku[20:10:22] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[20:15:24] *** Euver has quit IRC[20:22:34] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[20:29:03] *** Thom_Holwerda has joined #haiku[20:29:08] *** alpha-li1n has joined #haiku[20:33:27] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[20:43:42] *** alpha-lion has quit IRC[20:53:08] *** alpha-li1n is now known as alpha-lion[20:59:17] *** kokito has quit IRC[21:04:36] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[21:08:35] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[21:08:40] <plfiorini> hello[21:17:29] *** Master199 has quit IRC[21:20:59] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[21:27:15] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[21:27:33] *** magnetron has joined #haiku[21:30:29] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[21:32:55] *** Negr0 has quit IRC[21:36:22] *** kokito has joined #haiku[21:44:41] *** Negr0 has joined #haiku[21:46:57] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[21:49:28] *** Atomozero has joined #haiku[21:52:19] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[21:54:14] *** Kernel86_ has quit IRC[21:55:14] *** Kernel86 has joined #Haiku[21:55:49] *** lorglas has quit IRC[21:57:01] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[21:57:12] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[22:00:09] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[22:02:25] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[22:05:37] *** urnenfeld has left #haiku[22:05:57] *** Kernel86 has joined #Haiku[22:09:55] *** oco has joined #haiku[22:10:46] *** Ingenu_ has joined #Haiku[22:12:30] *** DaaT_ has joined #haiku[22:13:06] *** frodobeg25 has quit IRC[22:14:58] *** frodobeg25 has joined #haiku[22:16:28] *** bogomipz has quit IRC[22:26:57] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[22:28:25] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[22:35:12] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[22:39:59] *** Ingenu_ has quit IRC[23:03:43] *** Master199 has quit IRC[23:03:44] *** mats has joined #haiku[23:05:17] *** DaaT_ is now known as DaaT[23:06:08] *** genkie has joined #haiku[23:07:00] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[23:07:41] *** genkie has quit IRC[23:09:06] *** kr1stof has left #haiku[23:10:28] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[23:24:27] *** cyrann has joined #haiku[23:26:30] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[23:34:24] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[23:37:33] *** cyrann has quit IRC[23:57:38] *** MangoFusion has quit IRC[23:57:54] *** MangoFusion has joined #haiku