October 21, 2007 
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October 21, 2007 [00:15:37] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[00:15:49] <plfiorini> hello[00:18:04] *** JamesB192 has joined #haiku[00:21:39] <stargater> hi plfiorini[00:22:25] *** wallone has joined #haiku[00:23:04] <plfiorini> hi stargater[00:30:05] *** wallone has left #haiku[00:31:13] <plfiorini> oh my god vmwarw works better on vista than opensuse[00:34:12] <stargater> vmwarw?[00:34:47] <plfiorini> vmware :)[00:34:57] <stargater> ah ok[00:35:06] <stargater> xen :-)[00:35:51] <plfiorini> xen paravirtualization seems to perform better than vmware[00:36:18] <stargater> suse is bad = microsoft deal ) payed the soul to the Evel[00:37:19] <plfiorini> don't care much about deals, if the OS works for my purpose then it's good :P[00:38:02] <stargater> kubuntu runs here[00:49:26] <Yaroze> Is there a port of Pulse for linux somewhere?[00:51:34] <JamesB192> ls[01:00:08] <plfiorini> Yaroze: cat /proc/cpuinfo[01:00:16] <plfiorini> Yaroze: or run top :)[01:01:01] *** pyCube has quit IRC[01:01:02] <plfiorini> Yaroze: kde and gnome should have their app, even window maker if i remember[01:01:12] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[01:04:50] *** genkie has quit IRC[01:13:28] *** magnetron has quit IRC[01:23:00] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[01:24:55] *** MangoFusion has quit IRC[01:26:16] <stargater> n8[01:26:57] *** stargater has quit IRC[01:27:23] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[01:39:53] *** plfiorini_ has joined #haiku[01:53:24] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[01:55:35] *** wildur_ has quit IRC[01:55:53] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[01:57:06] <Yaroze> plfiorini_: ... i meant something like a clone of it...which look just like it[02:05:56] *** BeJen has joined #haiku[02:13:57] *** petterhj has quit IRC[02:16:02] *** kad77 has joined #haiku[02:16:17] <kad77> hello[02:26:22] <rennj> 5038[02:32:59] *** BeJen has quit IRC[02:44:24] *** kokito has quit IRC[02:54:05] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[02:54:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[03:04:10] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[03:06:56] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[03:10:06] *** petterhj- has quit IRC[03:16:49] *** nonesuch has joined #haiku[03:17:30] *** plfiorini_ has quit IRC[03:18:35] *** nonesuch has left #haiku[03:37:40] *** M_199 has joined #haiku[03:54:37] *** Master199 has quit IRC[04:04:22] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[04:28:19] *** plfiorini_ has joined #haiku[04:39:38] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[04:55:44] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[05:06:26] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[05:12:09] *** Judgen has quit IRC[05:34:22] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[05:37:20] *** nonesuch has joined #haiku[05:39:55] *** nonesuch has left #haiku[05:42:18] *** f-x has quit IRC[05:52:25] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[06:05:06] *** plfiorini_ has quit IRC[06:45:24] <umccullough> ok, so started playing with ubuntu 7.10[06:45:33] <umccullough> i'll admit, some of the compiz effects aren't bad[06:45:45] <umccullough> the jiggly windows definitely don't do it for me :P[07:08:46] * JonathanThompson jiggles umccullough's windows for fun[07:09:04] * umccullough jiggles JonathanThompson in thanks[07:09:13] <umccullough> we'll call it even ;)[07:09:47] * JonathanThompson feels jiggled like Jell-O pudding[07:10:26] <umccullough> i'm on my second tequila sunrise...[07:10:39] <JonathanThompson> Does that mean you're undergoing a time dilation?[07:10:49] <umccullough> the first one was so good, i spilled tequila all over making the second :P[07:11:55] <umccullough> it's amazing how out-of-sync vmware guest OSes get from the host clock[07:12:16] <umccullough> i'm enabling the "sync to host clock" option now... cuz some of my vms are like 10 minutes behind[07:12:22] <JonathanThompson> Hey, that probably wouldn't be any big swing on my system that I don't have BeOS do natively :P[07:12:50] <JonathanThompson> In hardware, BeOS tends to lose a minute a day (or around there) for every day of actual uptime.[07:12:59] <umccullough> yikes[07:13:06] <umccullough> doesn't it use the RTC?[07:13:15] <JonathanThompson> ...[07:13:21] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps it does, but.... clocks drift.[07:13:38] <umccullough> that would be your mobo's fault then...[07:13:41] <JonathanThompson> It also reports a clock speed of 451 Mhz.[07:14:05] <JonathanThompson> Well, sometimes... it's currently reporting 450 Mhz.[07:14:06] <umccullough> well, my machines report all kinds of funny clock speeds[07:14:23] <umccullough> it's usually calculated by the OS[07:14:34] <JonathanThompson> The thing to remember is that the internal hardware clock (low resolution) is 18.2 times per second.[07:14:53] <JonathanThompson> Gotta love archaic hardware time clocks :P[07:15:18] <JonathanThompson> It's time basis was set that way as an artifact of DRAM refresh rates of the time the PC was designed.[07:16:11] <umccullough> my face is getting numb :)[07:16:16] * JonathanThompson suddenly realizes that the Intel Macs probably have the same backwards compatibility deep down[07:17:31] <umccullough> i wish i'd bought vmware stock when they ipo's[07:17:33] <umccullough> ipo'd[07:18:05] <umccullough> i always brag about how well it works to the people i work with - for once i wish i'd put my money where my mouth was ;)[07:18:30] * JonathanThompson hands umccullough a salmon or a trout of his choice to slap himself with[07:18:53] * umccullough attempts to slap himself but misses[07:20:19] <umccullough> i'm kinda surprised that osnews didn't publish news about mphipps leaving haiku[07:20:29] <JonathanThompson> I noticed that, too.[07:21:51] <umccullough> i was fully expecting the need for "damage control"[07:22:09] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps someone is playing favorites in this regard :)[07:22:14] <umccullough> :)[07:23:34] <umccullough> damn hiccups[08:28:57] <JonathanThompson> Well, I've done my good deed for the day: I alleviated a grocery store clerk/cashier of their boredom :P[08:30:24] <JonathanThompson> I walked into the Albertsons, and one was restocking shelves, not looking at me, and asked, "Can I help you find something?" and I asked, "Which aisle are the cat-stretchers in?"[08:36:05] <umccullough> did he tell you?[08:38:16] *** kokito has joined #haiku[08:41:07] *** plfiorini_ has joined #haiku[08:53:40] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[09:03:10] <JonathanThompson> She responded by turning around and asking, "What???"[09:05:36] *** JamesB192 has quit IRC[09:56:45] *** magnetron has joined #haiku[10:04:36] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[10:05:26] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[10:16:25] *** plfiorini_ has quit IRC[10:23:10] *** Euver has joined #haiku[10:31:47] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[10:33:45] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[10:49:20] *** fyysik has quit IRC[10:57:33] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[11:06:43] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[11:10:59] *** kokito has quit IRC[11:18:51] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[11:24:37] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[11:28:21] *** genkie has joined #haiku[11:29:41] *** plfiorini_ has joined #haiku[11:32:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[11:41:30] *** genkie has quit IRC[11:42:52] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[11:45:03] *** plfiorini_ has quit IRC[11:45:23] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[11:45:48] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[11:51:40] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[11:52:47] *** ekdahl has joined #haiku[12:13:16] *** HeTo has quit IRC[12:17:36] *** frodobeg25 has quit IRC[12:17:57] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[12:18:22] <plfiorini> moin[12:24:04] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[12:35:51] *** Cube-ness has joined #haiku[12:35:51] *** pyCube has quit IRC[12:37:20] *** frodobeg25 has joined #haiku[12:45:43] *** bogomipz has joined #haiku[12:56:03] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[13:13:51] <Yaroze> Can anyone recommend a good mini-itx motherboard to run BeOS/Haiku on?[13:33:04] *** lorglas has quit IRC[13:37:30] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[13:44:41] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[14:16:51] *** plfiorini_ has joined #haiku[14:20:06] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[14:31:07] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[14:31:07] *** MangoFusion has joined #haiku[14:35:31] *** Euver has quit IRC[14:54:56] *** Darknesss has joined #haiku[15:07:24] *** meisje has joined #haiku[15:08:42] *** meisje has quit IRC[15:26:23] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[15:41:39] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[15:42:45] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[15:55:12] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[15:55:27] *** plfiorini_ has quit IRC[15:55:50] *** petterhj has quit IRC[16:15:10] *** acidx has joined #haiku[16:17:12] *** vrthra has joined #haiku[16:19:30] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[16:19:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[16:24:45] *** JamesB192 has joined #haiku[16:32:24] *** stargater has joined #haiku[16:32:28] <stargater> Hi[16:35:25] *** Cube-ness has quit IRC[16:35:32] *** Cube-ness has joined #haiku[16:42:57] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[16:46:57] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[16:48:59] *** Darknesss has quit IRC[16:55:42] <stargater> mmu_man: BeGeistert 18 is canceled for Dez 2007, we plans now in 2008 January?. The Locations Rooms are not Finish.. :-([17:05:36] *** emitrax has quit IRC[17:05:52] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[17:06:28] *** plfiorini_ has joined #haiku[17:08:52] *** IRCMonkey has joined #haiku[17:20:55] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[17:21:02] <mmu_man> stargater ah :-([17:32:17] *** HeTo has quit IRC[17:33:25] <stargater> cu later , family time[17:34:33] *** stargater has quit IRC[17:38:38] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[17:45:19] *** sys2 has joined #haiku[17:48:24] *** sys2 is now known as MrSunshine[17:52:33] <MrSunshine> wooha, if haiku was like compiz :P[17:55:02] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[17:55:23] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[17:55:41] *** rdmr has quit IRC[17:55:48] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[17:57:44] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[18:04:15] *** acidx has quit IRC[18:18:00] *** BuildFactory has quit IRC[18:22:01] *** rdmr has quit IRC[18:25:27] *** urnenfeld has left #haiku[18:30:46] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[18:30:49] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[18:39:54] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[18:40:50] *** plfiorini_ has quit IRC[18:44:46] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[18:46:17] *** emitrax_ has joined #haiku[18:48:45] *** emitrax has quit IRC[18:49:39] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[18:54:45] *** petterhj has quit IRC[18:54:49] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[19:06:09] *** emitrax_ has quit IRC[19:08:04] *** petterhj- has quit IRC[19:09:21] <Yaroze> Can anyone recommend a good mini-itx motherboard to run BeOS/Haiku on?[19:16:57] <Hodapp> Yaroze: maybe some at logicsupply.com ?[19:17:09] *** acidx has joined #haiku[19:20:57] <Thom_Holwerda> MrSunshine: if haiku was like compiz, it'd be chockful of inexplicable hangs and crashes[19:20:59] <Thom_Holwerda> oh wait[19:21:07] <Thom_Holwerda> haiku IS like compiz![19:21:11] <Thom_Holwerda> :)[19:21:20] <MrSunshine> :P[19:21:25] <MrSunshine> the UI i mean ... its realy nice :)[19:21:57] <Thom_Holwerda> compiz is nice, just a tad bit too over the top[19:22:02] <MrSunshine> split app server up into core part and graphic part, have two graphic parts, one 3d accelerated for high end users and one 2d for low end :P[19:23:46] <Thom_Holwerda> ive been thinking about a system for haiku where effects are plugins on a per-file basis... and each plugin file (each effect) has a rating from 1-10, based on gfx hardware intensiveness. this rating would be stored in the file's metadata, allowing you to manage plugins using bfs queries.[19:24:39] <Thom_Holwerda> sadly, i cant code, so all i can do is spout ideas that are most likely unworkable.[19:24:56] <MrSunshine> hehe :)[19:25:05] <MrSunshine> i can code but haiku is a tad to complex for me to wrap my head around :)[19:29:56] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[19:31:03] <Yaroze> MrSunshine: "maybe"s arent fun :P[19:31:40] <MrSunshine> maybes ?[19:32:18] <Yaroze> meh[19:32:58] <Yaroze> i do this too often now... sending messages to the wrong ppl :([19:35:25] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[19:35:39] *** wildur has quit IRC[19:35:54] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[19:37:17] *** wildur has quit IRC[19:45:28] *** Thom_Holwerda has quit IRC[19:45:36] <umccullough> Thom_Holwerda, why not just have... oh nevermind[19:45:51] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[19:49:22] <MrSunshine> alsa was ported to haiku ? :)[19:51:21] <umccullough> not that i know of... but OSS was[19:51:40] <umccullough> or rather, OSS was ported to BeOS/Zeta/Haiku ;)[19:55:19] *** plfiorini_ has joined #haiku[19:55:30] <plfiorini_> mirc sucks![20:00:29] <dr_evil> press ALT+F4 for IQ test[20:01:29] <Ketsuban> Alt-F4 is my "kick everyone from the channel" custom keyboard shortcut. :P[20:02:03] <umccullough> plfiorini, try HydraIRC[20:03:10] <dr_evil> Ketsuban you cant do this inhere[20:03:23] <Ketsuban> I know that.[20:03:26] <Ketsuban> It was a joke. =P[20:04:00] *** emitrax has quit IRC[20:06:13] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[20:06:41] *** plfiorini_ has quit IRC[20:07:18] *** Darknesss has joined #haiku[20:07:59] <MrSunshine> ahh it was OSS :)[20:09:43] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[20:09:54] <plfiorini> umccullough: thanks[20:11:26] <umccullough> plfiorini, it's what i've finally settled on in Windows - it's quite featureful, but mostly overkill :/[20:12:09] <plfiorini> umccullough: i like much vision but as long as it works i will ignore the 100000 featurs i don't use[20:14:12] *** JamesB192 has quit IRC[20:16:22] *** JamesB192 has joined #haiku[20:25:28] *** alpha-li1n has joined #haiku[20:31:48] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[20:35:54] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[20:42:45] *** alpha-lion has quit IRC[20:47:33] *** HeTo has quit IRC[20:48:51] *** petterhj has quit IRC[20:50:38] *** alpha-li1n is now known as alpha-lion[20:51:30] *** TuneTracker has joined #Haiku[20:57:56] * JonathanThompson lobs part of a window blind at TuneTracker in greetings[20:58:26] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[21:10:54] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[21:20:22] * JonathanThompson laughs his head off at Kroc revealing that Thom is a girl on OSNews[21:21:49] *** kokito has joined #haiku[21:29:03] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[21:32:09] <etteyafed> hi[21:32:21] *** JBurton has joined #haiku[21:32:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o JBurton[21:32:32] *** acidx has quit IRC[21:32:32] <etteyafed> bye[21:32:35] <JBurton> hi all[21:32:38] *** etteyafed has quit IRC[21:33:20] *** etteyafed has joined #haiku[21:35:06] <umccullough> hi JBurton[21:35:22] <JBurton> hi umccullough[21:49:15] *** TuneTracker has quit IRC[21:57:39] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[21:58:08] <Lelldorin1> hi all[22:02:26] <mats> hi hi[22:07:29] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[22:14:54] *** ekdahl has left #haiku[22:15:24] *** JBurton has quit IRC[22:32:10] *** joejaxx has quit IRC[22:33:45] *** joejaxx has joined #haiku[22:42:50] *** joejaxx has quit IRC[22:43:14] *** joejaxx has joined #haiku[22:51:10] *** joejaxx has quit IRC[23:00:46] *** stargater has joined #haiku[23:00:49] <stargater> re[23:06:04] *** stargater has quit IRC[23:06:29] *** stargater has joined #haiku[23:06:33] <stargater> re[23:23:08] *** M_199 has quit IRC[23:34:08] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[23:54:56] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:57:33] *** HeTo has joined #haiku