October 20, 2007 
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October 20, 2007 [00:00:50] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[00:01:35] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[00:01:45] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[00:07:28] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[00:09:55] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[00:15:38] <Ingenu> night[00:15:59] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[00:19:34] *** bs0 has joined #haiku[00:35:45] <mmu_man> [revol@Zeta /Data/oric/caloric-0.1a]# uname -a[00:35:46] <mmu_man> BeOS Zeta 6.2 18100 BePC x86 AuthenticAMD Zeta[00:35:47] <mmu_man> [revol@Zeta /Data/oric/caloric-0.1a]# ./caloric --help[00:35:47] <mmu_man> caloric - an Oric emulator[00:35:48] <mmu_man> http://punk.lnxscene.org/~jylam/caloric[00:35:50] <mmu_man> \o/[00:38:27] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[00:39:32] *** MangoFusion has quit IRC[00:44:13] <Cube-ness> crap[00:52:46] * DeadYak plops mmu_man[00:53:11] <mmu_man> when it works it'll be better than xeuphoric with X11 and broken keymap[00:53:47] <DeadYak> what's this?[00:55:26] <mmu_man> ORIC emulator[00:56:19] <mmu_man> http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=180[00:57:53] <DeadYak> ah[00:58:10] <DeadYak> don't tell me you're going to try and port using that? :)[00:58:28] <mmu_man> hmm it doesn't use teh correct paths...[00:58:35] <mmu_man> of course, hardcoded things[00:58:46] <mmu_man> there is a --prefix option on configure btu it doesn't use it...[01:04:07] <mmu_man> oh, buggy code[01:04:12] <mmu_man> someone forgot a , somewhere[01:06:06] <DeadYak> whoops[01:07:06] <mmu_man> YES \o/[01:07:59] *** kad77 has quit IRC[01:08:44] <mmu_man> eats a lot of cpu but I'm used to SDL[01:08:48] <mmu_man> at least it works :)[01:09:25] *** morteng has joined #haiku[01:09:38] *** kad77 has joined #haiku[01:10:05] <morteng> hi, good afternoon[01:10:28] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/beos/shots/shot_BeOS_Caloric.001.png :)[01:11:23] <morteng> can java run on haiku, please?[01:15:51] <DeadYak> not at this point[01:17:43] <morteng> Ok Thanx. I was unsure, OpenJDK is open source and nearly all java source code is open source.[01:18:05] <DeadYak> right but it was never completely ported to BeOs[01:18:13] <DeadYak> BeOS*[01:18:27] <DeadYak> Bryan Varner had it partially done but it was impossible to complete due to missing features in the BeOS VM[01:18:28] <DeadYak> iirc[01:18:42] <DeadYak> and Haiku isn't yet stable enough to self host though it's getting quite close[01:19:56] <kad77> If the vm keeps getting worked on at this rate, I would guess year's end would be feasible[01:21:16] <morteng> interesting. I watch the video from google, i have used BeOS and zeta. java or gnu classpath or anything J# c# JDK is for the web important. Will Mono with dot net support work?[01:21:59] <DeadYak> don't know, it'd probably run into the same problem the JVM does on BeOS[01:22:33] <DeadYak> once it's self hosting real work on that can progress though[01:22:34] *** bs0 has quit IRC[01:23:33] <morteng> ok, I guess the same features as Zeta neo had + Beos will be on haiku.[01:25:20] <DeadYak> Neo? that was ancient :)[01:27:10] <DeadYak> and Haiku aims to have the same feature set as R5 in any case[01:27:17] <DeadYak> minus the VM/thread/etc. limitations[01:27:28] <DeadYak> and better network stack[01:27:37] <morteng> interesting,[01:27:40] <mmu_man> there was an attempt to port Portable.NET to zeta but it had the same probs[01:28:27] <DeadYak> I figured, it had to do with being able to set protections for doing guard pages iirc[01:28:52] <morteng> well here is an interesting documentation http://www.zeta-os.com http://www.zeta-os.com/cms/custom/API/ is this valid for haiku ?[01:29:07] <DeadYak> nope.[01:29:47] <morteng> ok, I didn't know. So i must stop reading the wrong pages.[01:30:00] <DeadYak> Dano/Zeta's API extensions are not generally going to be supported by Haiku[01:30:07] <DeadYak> except BColumnListView since that was opened up elsewhere[01:30:14] <DeadYak> http://www.beunited.org/bebook/[01:30:25] <DeadYak> is about as close as you'll get for an accurate source of the Haiku API[01:32:23] <DeadYak> Haiku should have better docs than that though, there's places where the Be Book is....no longer correct as pertains to R5[01:33:30] <morteng> OSBOS Annotated BeBook , Sorry I've never seen this one. morten is reading.[01:33:51] <DeadYak> np[01:37:41] <mmu_man> hmm the keyboard code is broken[01:37:57] <mmu_man> it compares the sdl keysym with X11 keysyms[01:38:01] <mmu_man> no wonder[01:42:12] *** wildur has quit IRC[01:43:42] *** stippi has quit IRC[01:46:16] <morteng> disbanded and disestablished. I have heard about something called the antiredisestablishment, there are so many links here and they will vanish, ?[01:46:37] <morteng> beunited.org disestablished officially ?[01:49:21] <mmu_man> ok, keyb working now[01:50:43] <mmu_man> damn, Lunix still stops at CLI :-([01:53:53] <DeadYak> :/[02:06:09] <morteng> I have an account at bebits, bebits.com is this page valid for haiku , please? I can see no ref to Haiku and i have used Bebits.[02:08:07] *** Thanda has joined #haiku[02:10:16] <Thanda> yeah[02:11:00] <mmu_man> morteng most BeOS apps should run in Haiku[02:12:01] *** Thanda has left #haiku[02:15:49] *** acidx has quit IRC[02:23:21] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[02:30:00] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[02:41:24] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[03:11:47] *** jspiros_ is now known as jspiros[03:15:47] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[03:37:41] *** M199 has joined #haiku[03:43:03] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[03:53:58] *** M_199 has quit IRC[04:35:04] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[04:37:41] <kokito> DeadYak!![04:38:07] <DeadYak> kokito![04:41:09] <kokito> how is it going? :)[04:42:20] <DeadYak> good good, Axel fixed my reboot bug[04:44:04] <DeadYak> yourself?[04:44:34] <kokito> cool :)[04:45:28] <kokito> axel is da man :P[04:47:57] <Cube-ness> eesh[04:48:32] <Cube-ness> i prefer my forked roads to have one clearly shitty path[04:48:47] <JonathanThompson> Wassup, peeps and poops?[04:50:11] <Cube-ness> hi JonathanThompson[04:50:55] <JonathanThompson> OSNews tends to draw people towards arguments that are out of emotions and zealotry, and when there's a matter of law, well, so much for reason: hatred and zealotry rule :P[04:51:36] <JonathanThompson> Reason and law (though often contradictory) don't seem to mean much. Granted, not everywhere has the same set of laws...[04:52:05] <Cube-ness> law != good/right/moral[04:52:28] <JonathanThompson> Often it does, but not always.[04:52:57] <JonathanThompson> Of course, it does depend on your moral code, since there's plenty of moral codes that aren't legal, and plenty of laws that in many people's moral codes, aren't moral.[04:53:36] <Cube-ness> its the laws based on some person/groups moral concepts that are the nasty ones[04:54:05] <JonathanThompson> I suspect that once you get down to the nitty gritty, almost all laws are based on one or more groups version of morals.[04:54:17] <Cube-ness> uh[04:54:24] <Cube-ness> not any laws that actually make sense[04:54:35] <JonathanThompson> What about laws regarding theft?[04:55:38] <Cube-ness> what is moral/uimmoral about stealing something? its a clear, objective issue[04:55:57] <JonathanThompson> <sigh>[04:57:54] <Cube-ness> i mean morality like "dont use words x,y and z... gay is evil... ", etc[04:58:14] <Cube-ness> "dont eat that plant"[04:58:56] <Cube-ness> things like that tv statinos actually waste time blurring out people middle fingers when they happen to be the only finger extended[04:59:07] <Cube-ness> its beyond weird[04:59:43] <JonathanThompson> The middle finger issue, that's purely some weird cultural thing, and isn't truly 100% international or applicable to all cultures.[04:59:50] <JonathanThompson> That I agree is purely silly.[05:00:42] <JonathanThompson> And yet, when I first got glasses, I found myself using that finger to push them up higher on my nose...[05:00:53] <Cube-ness> hehe[05:00:57] <JonathanThompson> After all, it IS the longest finger, and easiest to use for that.[05:01:02] <Cube-ness> my yougest daughter does that[05:01:57] <JonathanThompson> Talking about morals, someone on a webforum I frequent is of the opinion that saying nothing is a lie by omission.[05:02:17] <JonathanThompson> This is in a case where nothing nice can be said about someone, so they say nothing.[05:02:57] <JonathanThompson> I must admit, "American Idol" would have a much smaller group of people trying out if people didn't lie so much "Oh, you're so good!"[05:03:41] <JonathanThompson> Way to go, "supporters" build them up until they're so full of themselves, they make fools of themselves in front of the whole world :P[05:04:07] <Cube-ness> people about whom nothing nice can truely be said would probably benefit most from being told that they are complete jerks, or whatever the case may be[05:04:28] <Cube-ness> wow.. that was some weird grammar[05:05:10] <Olathe> People who are complete jerks tend to attack people who say things like that, which is why people don't tell them.[05:05:51] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[05:06:15] <Cube-ness> theres wasy too much false/superficial consideration for peoples feelings in general, if you ask me[05:07:55] <JonathanThompson> Back in Indianapolis, there is/was one young lady that insisted on singing a solo during church services.... she was mostly deaf, and didn't even have decent hearing with the best technology could help her with....[05:07:58] <Cube-ness> if people spent more time being really considerate of their fellow humans instead of worrying about nipples and swear words and mock-politeness, the world would certainly be a friendlier place[05:08:00] <JonathanThompson> Oh, man...[05:08:16] <JonathanThompson> What was worse, her frequency range was precisely my most painfully sensitive.[05:08:36] <JonathanThompson> I'm thankful she didn't ask me how she sounded.[05:08:55] <JonathanThompson> As it was, to attempt to keep myself from too much pain, I wandered around the hallways during that time.[05:08:59] <JonathanThompson> It was THAT bad.[05:09:21] <Cube-ness> heh[05:09:28] <JonathanThompson> I'd rather listen to a horny tomcat getting neutered fully awake without anesthetic than that.[05:10:45] <Cube-ness> john ashcroft singing "when the eagles soar" has got to rank in the top most wretched sounds ever made, naturally occuring or otherwise[05:11:00] <JonathanThompson> She was far worse :P[05:11:20] <Cube-ness> forced vibrato f'ing rocks[05:11:27] <Cube-ness> makes me want to puch people in the throat[05:11:33] <Cube-ness> punch[05:11:40] <JonathanThompson> Well, time for me to go for a bit.[05:11:42] <JonathanThompson> bbl[05:11:45] <Cube-ness> heh[05:11:46] <Cube-ness> see ya[05:27:17] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[05:45:07] *** stargater has quit IRC[05:58:57] *** jmayfield has joined #haiku[05:58:57] *** Cube-ness has quit IRC[06:00:46] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[06:15:22] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[06:44:54] *** cps1966 has joined #haiku[06:46:52] *** rhu has quit IRC[06:50:01] *** Euver has joined #haiku[06:50:32] *** momoziro has joined #haiku[06:54:14] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[07:08:32] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[07:21:06] <jmayfield> um.. hi[07:21:09] <jmayfield> heh[07:21:14] *** jmayfield is now known as pyCube[07:24:28] *** Euver has quit IRC[07:31:26] *** momoziro has quit IRC[07:45:43] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[08:00:07] <cps1966> was watching bill maher[08:10:12] *** A-v-S has joined #haiku[08:28:23] *** AndrevS has quit IRC[08:54:03] *** rennj has joined #haiku[08:54:39] *** cps1966 has left #haiku[09:57:12] *** stargater has joined #haiku[09:57:21] <stargater> moin[10:15:59] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[10:28:23] *** kokito has quit IRC[10:30:32] *** BePower has joined #haiku[10:47:05] *** rennj has quit IRC[10:51:57] *** BePower has quit IRC[10:54:13] *** stargater has quit IRC[11:02:05] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[11:02:24] *** tqh has joined #haiku[11:09:12] *** SprMa has quit IRC[11:10:56] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[11:12:39] *** stargater has joined #haiku[11:12:44] <stargater> re[11:13:52] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[11:13:57] <miqlas> Hello![11:14:51] <miqlas> Haha! A new webhost! :) http://www.boly.hu/~miqlas/ But i dont have the haiku-os.hu domain yet.[11:15:12] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[11:15:46] *** MangoFusion has joined #haiku[11:27:47] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[11:27:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[11:34:29] *** stargater has quit IRC[11:47:50] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[11:49:57] *** tqh has quit IRC[11:56:07] *** morteng has left #haiku[11:56:27] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[12:00:28] *** miqlas has quit IRC[12:04:35] *** emitrax_ has joined #haiku[12:09:39] *** rennj has joined #haiku[12:16:24] *** genkie has joined #haiku[12:22:15] *** emitrax has quit IRC[12:36:52] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[12:42:03] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[12:44:10] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[13:10:34] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[13:26:33] *** genkie has quit IRC[13:34:12] <TuneTracker> Good morning[13:34:17] <cizra> hi[13:35:07] <A-v-S> hey[13:46:24] <MrSunshine> humm who is phipps? :*([13:49:16] <MrSunshine> btw, is the drawing code of haiku nested into the whole app server?[13:54:07] <TuneTracker> MrSunshine Michael Phipps is one of the organizers of Haiku project[13:54:46] <ddew|bofh> ahh, i love stuff that "fell off a truck" :D[13:55:46] * ddew|bofh got himself a brand. spanking new Cisco 1812 router[13:56:09] <ddew|bofh> only downside is that it isn't rack-mountable[13:58:05] *** mats has joined #haiku[14:00:01] * JonathanThompson hopes ddew|bofh's router plays well with cannons[14:00:19] <ddew|bofh> bought a cannon?[14:00:34] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps you've not made the connection yet that I've made :P[14:01:16] <ddew|bofh> nope, but otoh english's my second language and your humour is weird ;)[14:02:39] <JonathanThompson> Well, the funny thing about my humor in this case is that it's language-independent :)[14:02:52] <ddew|bofh> hmm, "fell off a truck" sounds bad, better to call it work benefit or something similar. it's not stolen, nor will it be missed. it's just fallen out of the paperwork[14:02:53] <JonathanThompson> (Assuming you know what a cannon is translated as)[14:03:23] <JonathanThompson> Yes, I read that as "stolen" as the typical idiom translation, ddew|bofh.[14:04:42] <ddew|bofh> a major telco ordered a bunch of routers and switches from my friends workplace but they had a few left over which the telco gave to my mate.[14:05:01] <ddew|bofh> hopefully his employer won't ask for them in the next week :)[14:05:26] *** cizra has left #haiku[14:05:41] <ddew|bofh> ok, only cannon link i can find regarding cisco is kelly cannon. but that seems just a touch farfetched :)[14:06:08] <JonathanThompson> Think weapons of war :)[14:06:28] <JonathanThompson> And not canon, that of something that may print pictures, take pictures, or copy them, or some other sort of thing.[14:06:40] <ddew|bofh> i know what a cannon is, but i fail to see the connection with cisco[14:06:53] <JonathanThompson> Well, you're focusing on the wrong connection :P[14:07:14] <JonathanThompson> (That, and at this time of the morning, I should normally be sleeping and dreaming)[14:07:29] <ddew|bofh> heh, indeed you should[14:07:44] * ddew|bofh is also all jittery for tomorrow[14:08:15] <ddew|bofh> a minor ISP went belly up and i bought some gear from the on an executive auction(?)[14:08:42] <ddew|bofh> basically the IRS is selling off their stuff to get their money[14:09:17] <ddew|bofh> so i got a 19" rack cabinet, a kvm and an IBM server for less than 200 bucks[14:10:37] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[14:11:01] <JonathanThompson> Ah, I love it when twits on OSNews start arguing twittishly, such as questioning my education about things, at the same time, spelling my name incorrectly, when all they need to do is simply copy/paste to get it correct :P[14:11:42] <ddew|bofh> besides, formal education is in many cases irrelevant. experience ftw[14:12:08] <JonathanThompson> They're arguing that "What people are likely to do" is a reason to punish someone ahead of time...[14:12:32] <ddew|bofh> they've tried that a few times[14:12:46] <JonathanThompson> Never mind the fact that the judgment itself was the punishment enacted, good, bad, or ugly, and it isn't generally considered legal to change things after the punishment has been served.[14:12:51] <ddew|bofh> worked out splendidly, with success and joy to all involved[14:13:19] <JonathanThompson> THAT'S where all the twits (including at least one online in here right now) fall flat on their face from a legal standpoint.[14:13:41] <ddew|bofh> that judicial system is the reason the two biggest superpowers/rulers of the world are the third reich and the great, russian motherland[14:13:57] <JonathanThompson> What, revisionist sentencing?[14:15:11] <ddew|bofh> mostly the concept that terror actually works. sentencing someone for something they might do[14:15:18] <ddew|bofh> that's truly orwellian[14:15:19] <JonathanThompson> Ah.[14:16:07] <JonathanThompson> Well, Beta was arguing (and I have no clue what line of reasoning this makes sense in) that the law works on encouraging people to not do bad things, and the commandments are the same way, so therefore make sure that they're punished so they can't do bad things.[14:16:42] * TuneTracker prefers to completely ignore osnews - that truly is twitland[14:16:47] <JonathanThompson> Funny thing is, the commandments don't tell you you've sinned before you have, therefore you're already going to hell because you will sin.[14:16:53] <JonathanThompson> Hi TuneTracker.[14:16:56] <TuneTracker> Hi JonathanThompson[14:17:08] <ddew|bofh> no offence, but the commandements aren't so much of a law. it's more a common sense which ought to be programmed into every individual[14:17:22] <ddew|bofh> (with a few, minor expections)[14:17:22] <JonathanThompson> By the same token, US law, at least, doesn't work on "What ifs?" when punishing someone if they've not done something yet.[14:17:34] <ddew|bofh> *exceptions[14:17:44] <JonathanThompson> And they're largely portable between most formal religions, too, ddew|bofh.[14:18:08] <ddew|bofh> they're universal laws, some call it commandements while others call them instincts[14:18:33] <JonathanThompson> But, they DON'T operate in "Minority Report" mode for how justice is meted out.[14:18:35] <ddew|bofh> that's about the only thing that all religions as well as science can agree on :)[14:19:36] <ddew|bofh> i can't believe that people think that minority report is anything else than a worst case scenario[14:19:37] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[14:19:57] * TuneTracker googles "minority report"[14:20:26] <ddew|bofh> hell, i've thought about killing people on more than one occasion. that doesn't make me a bad person, actually doing it would make me that[14:21:06] <TuneTracker> as a Christian, I believe we have bad in us, but shouldn't act on it[14:21:25] <ddew|bofh> as a human being i believe that as well[14:21:46] <TuneTracker> Well hopefully I'm also one of those :-)[14:21:47] <ddew|bofh> any normal person could probably agree on that[14:22:00] <JonathanThompson> In "Minority Report" TuneTracker, people are arrested by the pre-crime unit for things precognizants state they're going to do, unless prevented.[14:22:02] <ddew|bofh> :)[14:22:23] <JonathanThompson> And the rest of the movie/story revolves around that and how it can become corrupted.[14:22:28] <ddew|bofh> awesome movie[14:22:38] <TuneTracker> Interesting concept for a movie[14:22:44] <TuneTracker> based on a short story, I see[14:22:57] <JonathanThompson> Like a lot of sci-fi, it's a great moral story with technical/fantasy elements to help make it go down better :)[14:23:04] <ddew|bofh> if you're more into the whole 1984 concept i can totally recommend a vieweing of Equlibrium[14:23:16] * TuneTracker googles Equilibrium :-)[14:23:49] <ddew|bofh> great story, awesome cinematography and wicked cool action scenes[14:24:29] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[14:25:05] * JonathanThompson notes TuneTracker is likely to get a sh!tload of hits for that word by itself[14:25:19] <ddew|bofh> better off checking imdb[14:25:53] <TuneTracker> ah same year 2002[14:28:05] * TuneTracker counts his fingers and considers his first week with his new table saw a success[14:28:20] <ddew|bofh> grats :)[14:28:24] <TuneTracker> :-)[14:29:02] * JonathanThompson wonders what other body parts TuneTracker is now missing from the previous week[14:29:13] * TuneTracker does quick inventory[14:29:16] <TuneTracker> uh oh...[14:29:29] <JonathanThompson> Lost your head, but just now recognized that? :P[14:29:31] <TuneTracker> hehe[14:29:54] <TuneTracker> I have all my fingers, but just realized my left foot is missing[14:30:06] <ddew|bofh> a good tip is to never operate a table saw naked[14:30:11] * TuneTracker hobbles around the workshop looking for foot[14:30:20] <JonathanThompson> I'm trying to think where I read it, but people have managed to mangle/lose body parts you wouldn't normally think of by the (mis)use of power tools :)[14:31:10] <JonathanThompson> It might have been the Darwin Awards website.... such things as a guy losing a testicle due to some table-contained powertool, because he was on the table part...[14:31:31] <JonathanThompson> So he then used a stapler to keep everything else from falling out...[14:31:50] * JonathanThompson wonders if a few people now have horrid images in their minds[14:32:14] <ddew|bofh> that's just insanely manly :P[14:32:50] <JonathanThompson> Do it more than once, no worry about being manly anymore :P[14:33:01] <ddew|bofh> hehe[14:33:47] <JonathanThompson> A lot of our body is redundant, and I can't help but think that's part of the reason: enough of any population will do something stupid enough that the species wouldn't survive due to a single stupid injury.[14:33:48] * TuneTracker pulled a fishhook out of the back of his hand with a pair of plyers this summer. Very manly (grunts)[14:34:16] <JonathanThompson> Ha, as a kid, I did a similar thing with a fish hook, but with only my fingers :P[14:34:29] <JonathanThompson> Someone had cast a line, and I happened to get caught on their way to the water.[14:34:34] <ddew|bofh> manliest thing i've ever done was to use gaffers tape as a bandaid until i could get to the hospital and stich the wound up[14:34:52] <TuneTracker> This one was buried too deep to pull out without plyers. Bled like wild when I got it out. (grunt)[14:35:03] <ddew|bofh> had to hurt like hell[14:35:10] <TuneTracker> Then it sealed over and I wound up with a big hematoma[14:35:12] <JonathanThompson> As long as it wasn't horribly dirty, that was far wiser, probably, than trying to get there without holding it together.[14:35:20] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[14:35:25] *** Darknesss has joined #haiku[14:36:00] <ddew|bofh> i imagine you'd pull out some flesh with those barbs attached to the fishhooks[14:36:23] <JonathanThompson> They're definitely something to avoid whenever possible :)[14:36:58] <TuneTracker> Even more exciting was the time a had a fishing plug fly through the air when I yanked it out of a tree. It went through the top of my thumb and the barb passed through my thumbnail. Had to cut the barb off before I could pull *that* one out![14:37:19] <TuneTracker> Now *that* one hurt to do![14:37:34] <ddew|bofh> i can't believe that guys are allowed to get insurance[14:37:36] * JonathanThompson wonders if it improved TuneTracker's looks :)[14:37:49] <TuneTracker> JonathanThompson I always look good when I grimace in pain[14:37:59] <TuneTracker> ddew|bofh :-)[14:38:12] * JonathanThompson gets out his camera and his 4 pound sledge to ensure he gets TuneTracker at his best appearance[14:38:16] <ddew|bofh> our chromosomes makes us an instant liability[14:38:20] <TuneTracker> hehe[14:38:23] <ddew|bofh> heh[14:38:54] <TuneTracker> I also reached into a northern pike's mouth once when I was a kid, to take out a fishing spoon, he clamped down, and I panicked and pulled my hand out, against back-pointing teeth.[14:38:56] <TuneTracker> Not smart[14:39:15] * JonathanThompson wonders that TuneTracker hasn't yet earned a Darwin Award :)[14:39:22] <TuneTracker> hehe LOL[14:39:25] <TuneTracker> Good one JonathanThompson[14:39:28] <ddew|bofh> he's working his way up there ;)[14:39:45] <JonathanThompson> A friend of mine as a kid showed me a dead one, and I thought they resembled quite a bit that of a freshwater shark :)[14:39:46] <TuneTracker> Bananas, anyone?[14:39:55] <JonathanThompson> I am, thanks, TuneTracker :)[14:40:09] <TuneTracker> JonathanThompson Yes, they're very primitive looking, aren't they? Almost "pre-historic"[14:40:18] <ddew|bofh> JonathanThompson's past bananas, he's bat-shit loco :P[14:40:28] <JonathanThompson> "Guano" to you :P[14:40:35] <ddew|bofh> heh[14:41:02] <JonathanThompson> I can't remember who it was, but in here I was assessed as a "Lunatic User" meaning someone above that of a power user :)[14:41:21] *** AlexC has joined #haiku[14:41:26] <TuneTracker> On a completely different subject...[14:41:39] <JonathanThompson> Any particular one? Ed McMahon?[14:41:40] <TuneTracker> Does anyone know if an "alert" replacement is available for Haiku?[14:41:53] <TuneTracker> Oh JonathanThompson You're so random :-)[14:41:55] <ddew|bofh> my official title at the webhost i'm doing work for is Guru :P[14:42:10] <JonathanThompson> I don't know if a newly rewritten one exists or not, but it wouldn't be too hard, though perhaps consume a little time.[14:42:23] * TuneTracker needs a stable one[14:42:26] <TuneTracker> for scripts[14:42:35] <JonathanThompson> HAve you tried the old BeOS 5.03 one?[14:42:38] <TuneTracker> BeOS alert is a little too crashy[14:42:39] <JonathanThompson> Can you not use that?[14:42:44] <JonathanThompson> Oh....[14:42:53] <JonathanThompson> Shows you how much I've used alert :P[14:42:55] <TuneTracker> And it doesn't want to kill gracefully[14:43:08] <TuneTracker> So it can keep an automatic reboot from happening[14:43:18] <ddew|bofh> be alert, the worl needs more lerts :P[14:43:20] * JonathanThompson recognizes that once again, TuneTracker has too high of expectations out of life[14:43:24] <ddew|bofh> *world[14:43:25] <TuneTracker> hehe[14:43:50] <ddew|bofh> but don't be aloof, there's an overpopulation of loofs[14:43:55] <TuneTracker> Whaddya want for nothin'? Rubber bisquits?[14:44:02] <JonathanThompson> Boot to the head![14:44:07] <JonathanThompson> Tai Quan Leap![14:44:51] <JonathanThompson> Actually, TuneTracker, I'm not random at all: I'm deterministically random :)[14:45:04] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[14:45:48] <JonathanThompson> I only appear as random to uninformed outsiders because they don't grasp just how many different inputs are required for my state machine to produce any given output.[14:45:55] *** Humdinger has joined #haiku[14:47:02] * ddew|bofh wonders if JT would pass a Turing test[14:47:20] * JonathanThompson wonders if Turing would have passed a JonathanThompson test[14:48:00] *** MangoFusion has quit IRC[14:49:26] *** AlexC has quit IRC[14:49:41] <ddew|bofh> ah well, time to go solder some wires. bbiab[14:50:00] * JonathanThompson wonders how much lead ddew|bofh will absorb[14:50:18] <ddew|bofh> appearantly there's no proper standard for the colors inside a db9 cable so i have to figure out the pinout manually[14:51:00] <ddew|bofh> considering the amout of solder vapors i've inhaled i'm sure it'd show up on an xray[14:51:02] * TuneTracker makes a mental note that ddew|bofh does wires, in case he ever needs ddew|bofh to make special harnesses for TuneTracker products... :-)[14:51:11] <ddew|bofh> hehe[14:51:38] <ddew|bofh> tata[14:51:41] <TuneTracker> l8r[14:52:12] <JonathanThompson> I also know how to solder, but.... that's not a profitable use of my time and body :)[14:52:33] * TuneTracker knows how to solder only well enough to know he can't solder very well[14:53:01] <TuneTracker> new TuneTracker feature...[14:53:02] <TuneTracker> http://www.tunetrackersystems.com/documentation/cc_crossfading.html[14:53:06] <JonathanThompson> The only way you tend to get better is by doing more of bad work until you become better and not so bad that it makes others bitter with your cold joints.[14:53:23] * JonathanThompson wonders if a pot smoker ever suffers from cold joints[14:53:44] * TuneTracker thinks this channel needs to be monitored by the pun police[14:55:50] <JonathanThompson> I'd be a pig of all their time, and they'd have a hard time enfarcing the law[14:56:27] <TuneTracker> :-)[14:56:50] * TuneTracker starts his workday... bbl[14:57:25] *** Humdinger has quit IRC[15:01:47] *** Darknesss has quit IRC[15:06:20] *** Darknesss has joined #haiku[15:06:21] *** Darknesss has quit IRC[15:13:27] *** acidx has joined #haiku[15:25:28] <Hodapp> I tend to get more solder on me than on the board/components[15:25:49] * JonathanThompson wonders if Hodapp ever does anything specifically to "Get the lead out"[15:27:35] <JonathanThompson> Damned OSNews doesn't allow you to reply to your own comments![15:34:49] <Ingenu> mouhahahahahah ![15:35:10] <JonathanThompson> Don't you love webware, Ingenu? :P[15:36:59] <JonathanThompson> I remember the last time I tried to edit a comment, it was a 30 minute limit, IIRC.[15:37:13] <JonathanThompson> I predict in 6 months, editing won't be allowed at all :P[15:42:22] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[15:45:47] *** katisu has joined #haiku[15:47:05] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[15:47:06] *** katisu is now known as [Katisu][15:47:23] *** Olathe has left #haiku[15:47:33] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[16:03:44] *** meisje has joined #haiku[16:05:32] *** meisje has quit IRC[16:07:11] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[16:11:21] *** flyinghippo has joined #haiku[16:11:27] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[16:11:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[16:14:52] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/beos/shots/shot_BeOS_Caloric.001.png it's working ;)[16:24:27] <mats> :)[16:27:31] *** acidx has quit IRC[16:27:56] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[16:34:59] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[16:36:41] <Begasus> 'lo peeps[16:37:59] <A-v-S> hey Begasus[16:38:08] *** A-v-S is now known as AndrevS[16:38:19] <Begasus> hi AndrevS ;)[16:41:24] <MrSunshine> what is caloric?[16:42:15] <kad77> emulator for an old european 'computer in a keyboard' type system[16:43:38] <MrSunshine> zeta was dead now right?[16:43:56] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[16:51:00] <Begasus> yep[17:02:53] *** flyinghippo has quit IRC[17:06:39] <emitrax_> I never remember the argument of snooze(). Is is ms o us ?[17:06:56] <emitrax_> is it*[17:12:27] <MrSunshine> i would soo need a live cd of current revision of haiku to test if my laptop can run haiku :)[17:13:46] <MrSunshine> or get hold of a external disk so i can backup all my data and install linux again[17:14:01] <Begasus> why not create a livecd MrSunshine ?[17:14:17] <MrSunshine> cause haiku bootmanager wont detect the haiku track on the live cds i make[17:16:52] *** urnenfeld has quit IRC[17:27:41] <emitrax_> private methods are supposed to start with underscore right ?[17:29:31] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[17:30:00] <MrSunshine> i guess[17:33:01] *** emitrax_ has quit IRC[17:35:32] *** BuildFactory has joined #haiku[17:36:34] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[17:45:54] *** rdmr has quit IRC[18:11:15] *** M199 is now known as Master199[18:11:51] *** HeTo has quit IRC[18:14:36] *** siarzhuk has joined #haiku[18:15:42] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[18:31:09] *** HeTo has quit IRC[18:50:58] *** kokito has joined #haiku[18:51:07] <kokito> hello folks[18:52:16] <Begasus> hi kokito[18:53:33] <umccullough> 'morning kokito[18:54:08] * umccullough is busy proving someone wrong about virtual machines[18:54:31] <kokito> good morning Begasus & busy umccullough :P[18:54:49] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[18:54:54] <Begasus> g'evening kokito umccullough ;)[18:55:20] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[18:56:24] <umccullough> here in a couple minutes, i'll have 40 virtual machines running on a 2gb c2d E6750[18:56:43] <umccullough> despite being told that it takes at least 3gb to run 24 of them[18:57:57] <Hodapp> are you using a system that will have them return unused memory to the virtualizer?[18:57:58] <umccullough> granted, i don't think the person who made this claim was using NT4 w/48mb for each VM either ;)[18:58:04] <umccullough> Hodapp, yes, vmware[18:58:13] <umccullough> vmware server allows you to configure how it swaps unused memory[18:59:09] <umccullough> i think you have to install the vmware tools on the guest for it to work properly, however[18:59:16] *** pyCube has quit IRC[18:59:21] <umccullough> since that includes a memory management driver[18:59:32] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[18:59:46] *** franxico has joined #haiku[18:59:49] <Hodapp> I dunno if this is swapping unused memory that I'm talking about... it's extensions to the guest OS that give it a way to just return it to the host OS indirectly[19:01:36] <umccullough> Hodapp, vmware server supports that as well[19:01:51] <umccullough> actually, all versions of vmware support that IIRC[19:02:03] <umccullough> as long as you have the proper driver installed on the guest[19:02:52] <umccullough> damn, i'll admit this machine is getting a little sluggish[19:03:13] <umccullough> but that's partially because I also have a couple processes running at 100% cpu to eat up every last cycle[19:05:17] <umccullough> interestingly - i had heard that vmware server ESX can handle almost twice the load as vmware server running on a host OS[19:07:13] *** kokito has quit IRC[19:07:16] *** rhu has joined #haiku[19:12:02] <umccullough> i'm noting that the biggest bottleneck is the disk[19:12:44] <umccullough> i should probably just upgrade this machine to two 300gb SATAII disks in RAID0 ;)[19:15:36] *** petterhj has quit IRC[19:22:31] *** kokito has joined #haiku[19:22:58] <kokito> what's the name of the app package installer recently added to Haiku?[19:24:58] *** kokito has quit IRC[19:24:59] * umccullough goes to check the source[19:25:03] <umccullough> oh well[19:25:52] <umccullough> looks like it's just PackageInstaller[19:32:02] <Begasus> http://www.flickr.com/photos/begasus/1656811767/in/photostream/[19:32:07] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[19:32:07] <Begasus> that looks good ;)[19:32:14] <Begasus> puppy growing nicely :D[19:33:03] <Begasus> http://www.flickr.com/photos/begasus/1656850965/in/photostream/[19:33:08] <Begasus> next one in the making ;)[19:36:21] *** Begasus has quit IRC[19:37:57] <mats> hmm[19:38:22] <pyCube> so... hi[19:41:14] <mats> so yes hi[19:45:53] * umccullough adds an additional 2gb RAM to his shopping list[19:47:55] <mats> sweet[19:47:56] <pyCube> looks like i'll be moving t back to nor cal[19:48:30] <mats> ok?[19:48:35] <umccullough> pyCube, ! maybe we'll meet in the future :)[19:48:44] <pyCube> perhaps[19:48:56] <pyCube> likely[19:49:05] <umccullough> what part of norcal?[19:49:08] <pyCube> unless i change my mind before monday/tuesday[19:49:17] <umccullough> oh... job offer?[19:49:22] <pyCube> marin county.. l[19:49:26] <pyCube> yeah[19:49:43] <pyCube> sanrafael/novato area[19:49:53] <umccullough> ok[19:49:54] <pyCube> possibly petaluma[19:50:00] <umccullough> not too far from the bay anyhow[19:50:06] <pyCube> yeah[19:50:54] <umccullough> well if you do, be sure to sign up on our norcal HUG mailing list ;)[19:52:01] <pyCube> definately[19:56:55] <pyCube> once i am there, i'll definately be closing my eyes when i send of rent checks[20:01:03] *** stargater has joined #haiku[20:01:05] <umccullough> no doubt[20:01:06] <stargater> hi[20:01:35] <umccullough> pyCube, but hopefully you'll be getting a substantial pay increase to offset cost of living :/[20:02:34] <pyCube> sure.. but thats kinda depressing.. would be nice to actually get to use that pay increase for somethingmore exciting.. hehe[20:04:28] <umccullough> too bad it doesn't always work that way ;)[20:05:20] <umccullough> buy a house and use the rent money for a mortgage payment instead ;)[20:05:23] <umccullough> that's more exciting[20:05:49] <umccullough> write off the interest every year[20:07:09] <umccullough> the sad thing about my situation is I haven't actually been getting pay increases that compensate for the increased cost of living every year[20:07:29] <umccullough> CA is an expensive place to live :([20:09:21] *** SprMa has quit IRC[20:18:28] *** stargater has quit IRC[20:22:23] *** TheNerd_LT has joined #haiku[20:23:52] *** urnenfeld has quit IRC[20:24:19] *** kokito has joined #haiku[20:24:22] <kokito> re[20:24:42] <kokito> sorry... lost internet connection temporarily :([20:25:14] *** alpha-li1n has joined #haiku[20:26:49] <umccullough> kokito, it's just called PackageInstaller[20:27:20] <kokito> hmmm... that's what I thought[20:27:43] <kokito> I used it a while back, but I installed the latest image and could not find it[20:28:18] * kokito wonders if it was removed from the image, or if he is just blind... probably the latter :P[20:29:30] <umccullough> the last checkin of the "HaikuImage" jam file has it in there[20:31:39] <kokito> hmmm... will check. bbiab[20:31:51] <kokito> umccullough, what directory is it in?[20:31:54] <kokito> ca you tell?[20:31:57] <umccullough> apps[20:32:06] <umccullough> it's installed to the same dir as ShowImage, etc.[20:32:14] <kokito> ok, thanks![20:32:15] <kokito> BBIAB[20:32:33] *** kokito has quit IRC[20:37:57] *** stargater has joined #haiku[20:38:04] <stargater> re[20:43:23] *** alpha-lion has quit IRC[20:44:40] <kad77> why do I keep seeing 'oss is dead' in various places? is there something superceding it in the linux world?[20:45:15] <kad77> I meant the Open Sound System, btw[20:46:23] *** alpha-li1n is now known as alpha-lion[20:50:55] <Hodapp> kad77: because ALSA's been pretty standard for the past 5 years?[21:00:19] <Yaroze> and it still doesnt work :)[21:00:19] *** pyCube has quit IRC[21:00:25] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[21:01:09] <Hodapp> ALSA has worked fine for me on every card I've tried it on, for the past 5 years[21:01:28] *** kokito has joined #haiku[21:01:54] <kokito> umccullough, it turns out I had an older than I thought build installed[21:02:26] <kokito> the latest build does have the package installer, but now my mouse will freeze soon after boot.[21:02:27] *** TheNerd_LT has quit IRC[21:06:21] *** emitrax_ has joined #haiku[21:06:32] <kokito> emitrax!![21:15:16] <emitrax_> kokito: what's up?[21:16:09] <kokito> emitrax, trying to play a bit with Haiku, but the mouse won't work in the latest builds :([21:16:20] <kokito> never had this problem before[21:18:18] <kad77> hodapp: thx. I heard of alsa, but wrongy assumed it was yet another alternative (like most linux userland)[21:19:00] <emitrax_> usb mouse ?[21:19:16] <emitrax_> what controller ?[21:19:36] <kokito> emitrax, it is a builtin mousepad[21:19:37] <emitrax_> I doubt is a USB problem, as not changes have been made[21:19:46] *** kad77 has quit IRC[21:19:51] <kokito> it always worked until a week or so ago[21:19:55] <emitrax_> debug output ?[21:20:06] <kokito> no serial port[21:20:44] <stargater> debug output over usb ?[21:20:56] *** siarzhuk has quit IRC[21:21:25] <kokito> has there been any mouse or USB related changes in the last two weeks?[21:22:48] <stargater> i have no usb mouse[21:23:16] <kokito> hi stargater :)[21:23:26] <stargater> hi kokito[21:23:35] *** emitrax has quit IRC[21:25:21] <stargater> i like the pdf pressentation from T-DOS[21:28:38] *** TheNerd_LT has joined #haiku[21:29:58] *** Judgen has joined #haiku[21:30:09] <stargater> kokito: BeGeistert is gecanzelt, the location is not finish :-( we plans in 2008 January[21:30:36] <kokito> cancelled?[21:30:47] <kokito> what happened?[21:33:06] <stargater> kokito: canceled[21:33:25] <kokito> stargater, what happened?[21:33:44] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[21:34:28] <stargater> kokito: the locations rooms not finish[21:34:40] <kokito> ah, ok[21:34:56] <stargater> ok[21:37:55] *** ddew|bofh has quit IRC[21:51:59] *** meisje has joined #haiku[21:52:37] *** meisje has quit IRC[21:53:23] *** kokito has quit IRC[21:59:09] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[21:59:31] *** MikeW has quit IRC[22:06:36] *** Euver has joined #haiku[22:11:52] *** kokito has joined #haiku[22:13:34] *** siarzhuk has joined #haiku[22:15:01] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[22:21:47] <kokito> anyone having mouse freezes with the latest nightly builds?[22:28:48] <franxico> not tested yet[22:30:24] *** stargater has quit IRC[22:31:19] <kokito> very strange... the mouse freezes a few seconds after I move, but then the keyboard and the rest of the system remains functional[22:31:39] <kokito> *after I move it*[22:32:46] *** genkie has joined #haiku[22:33:38] *** JamesB192 has joined #haiku[22:34:46] <Ingenu> night[22:35:07] *** stargater has joined #haiku[22:35:11] <stargater> re[22:35:19] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[22:37:02] *** franxico has quit IRC[22:38:40] *** rdmr has quit IRC[22:40:36] <kokito> is the syslog capture enabled by default in Haiku?[22:43:00] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[22:43:42] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[22:44:07] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[22:45:51] <kokito> bbl[22:46:03] *** kokito has quit IRC[22:46:45] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[22:47:10] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[22:50:27] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[22:50:55] *** johndrinkwater has quit IRC[22:50:55] *** CIA-5 has quit IRC[22:51:30] *** wildur_ has joined #Haiku[22:51:52] *** wildur has quit IRC[22:52:56] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[22:53:09] *** emitrax_ has quit IRC[22:53:27] *** Euver has quit IRC[22:55:22] *** MangoFusion has joined #haiku[23:00:43] *** siarzhuk has quit IRC[23:03:57] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:09:52] *** CIA-11 has joined #haiku[23:24:55] *** TuneTracker has quit IRC[23:25:34] *** kokito has joined #haiku[23:34:24] <stargater> http://youtube.com/watch?v=MFMGUWrvJ_U[23:51:56] *** JamesB192 has quit IRC[23:57:00] *** TheNerd_LT has quit IRC