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[00:19:03] <mmu_man> hmm nice hot feet bath
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[00:58:56] <mmu_man> that scene from S4E3 reminds of something :)
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[05:13:33] <Jin> >_>
[05:39:53] * JonathanThompson lobs a random greeting at Jin
[05:46:06] <Jin> :O
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[08:15:52] * JonathanThompson asks, "Is anyone awake and active in the channel?"
[08:29:32] <[Katisu]> .seen anyone_awake
[08:29:32] <BuildFactory> Sorry, I haven't seen anyone_awake around.
[08:35:52] <JonathanThompson> Oh well, guess not :P
[08:37:00] <JonathanThompson> I guess I got lucky tonight: I have power.
[08:37:29] <JonathanThompson> There are people in my city that don't, or at least didn't, as of sometime earlier today.
[08:38:19] <JonathanThompson> Makes life more exciting, when you have to guess as to whether you'll get home and find you have power, or the flashlights suddenly become very important.
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[08:39:47] * myrkraverk is now awake but not active, I think
[08:40:00] * JonathanThompson slaps myrkraverk into a silly state
[08:40:15] <myrkraverk> I'm already feeling bad enough, thank you ;)
[08:40:30] <JonathanThompson> Laughter is the best medicine :)
[08:40:37] <myrkraverk> ;)
[08:41:45] <JonathanThompson> Now apparently comes a great test of Haiku, Inc. and the community: the transition away from Miichael Phipps to other official leadership/administration.
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[08:45:30] * JonathanThompson lobs a query at Ingenu
[08:47:00] * myrkraverk just wants to use it ;)
[08:47:26] <JonathanThompson> I don't think Phipps stepping down will have too much practical effect, personally.
[08:47:44] <myrkraverk> ;)
[08:48:02] <JonathanThompson> Besides, the reality is he's been in charge (more or less) of Haiku Inc. longer than any single job/employer I've had, through no fault of my own.
[08:49:30] <Ingenu> pfff
[08:49:39] <Ingenu> I'm supposed to go to work
[08:49:48] <Ingenu> but the strike isn't over in public transportation
[08:49:51] <Ingenu> no train on my line
[08:50:00] <JonathanThompson> Work is something people that have bills to pay need to do.
[08:51:55] * JonathanThompson nominates Ingenu as the next "Benevolent Dictator" of Haiku Inc.
[08:52:31] <Ingenu> mmh
[08:53:00] <JonathanThompson> All the glory and none of the pay :P
[08:53:23] <JonathanThompson> (Of a rather low-key sort of glory, I suppose, to match the pay)
[08:57:50] <Ingenu> shall I ask my boss for a day off today
[08:57:59] <Ingenu> I took yesterday the day before
[08:58:01] <JonathanThompson> Do you not own a car?
[08:58:04] <Ingenu> I thought the train would be fine
[08:58:05] <Ingenu> no
[08:58:25] * JonathanThompson realizes he phrased that in a confusing way
[08:58:28] <Ingenu> well, I have one, but I gave it to my parents as I was using it once every 2-3 weeks
[08:58:29] <JonathanThompson> You don't have a car, then...
[08:58:42] <Ingenu> so it's on the other side of France at the moment
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[08:59:03] <JonathanThompson> And I'm guessing you won't be able to readily grab it back.
[08:59:25] <Ingenu> 3hours a half of train, then 12 hours of road back
[08:59:28] <Ingenu> not really
[08:59:48] <JonathanThompson> How far away is your employer?
[09:00:03] <Ingenu> 3 stations ^^
[09:00:15] <JonathanThompson> That tells me exactly nothing I can use :P
[09:00:24] <Ingenu> no real clue
[09:00:40] <Ingenu> going there on foot would likely take me hours
[09:00:54] <JonathanThompson> Ok, I have an idea of how to get an idea of how far away: how long, time-wise, by train?
[09:02:08] <pyCube> walnuts
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[09:02:27] * JonathanThompson puts them into the computer's slot, and finds they don't compute
[09:04:37] <Ingenu> 20 minutes
[09:05:02] <Ingenu> gonna check alternate trajectories
[09:05:53] * JonathanThompson wonders how fast that train is... suspects it moves faster on average than cars in most US cities for the same amount of time
[09:07:51] <JonathanThompson> Do you have a bicycle?
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[09:19:32] <huh> five seven five uhhhh...
[09:19:49] <huh> thats how it goes right i think
[09:19:55] <JonathanThompson> Or a BeOS compatible OS.
[09:20:00] <huh> yeah five seven five
[09:20:59] <huh> oh... so this is not a chat devoted to writing in haikus then?
[09:21:24] <JonathanThompson> It's a chat channel dedicated to the purpose of writing  and using the Haiku operating system :P
[09:21:37] <huh> :C
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[09:27:55] <Ingenu> let's go outside and see how I can reach work
[09:28:28] <Ingenu> obviously we don't have teleporters yet
[09:28:28] <Ingenu> that would be so painless otherwise
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[09:28:29] <Ingenu> although the idea to be disintegrated each time is not so appealing
[09:28:29] <JonathanThompson> Assuming they work correctly all the time.
[09:28:29] <pyCube> i might be biased, but i agree.. ruby is weird
[09:28:30] <JonathanThompson> Such as the odd factoid that you can't do a for loop and count backwards?
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[09:29:19] <JonathanThompson> I was looking into Ruby enough to have run into that, and have something along the lines of "WTF were they thinking?" go through my mind and perhaps my mouth.
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[09:29:36] <stargater> moin
[09:29:41] <JonathanThompson> nion
[09:29:46] <JonathanThompson> niom
[09:30:06] <pyCube> a for loop and count backwards?
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[09:30:30] <JonathanThompson> Yes, you need to do a code hack to do the equivalent thing in Ruby.
[09:31:26] <pyCube> i dont understand what you mean
[09:31:39] <JonathanThompson> You know C/C++ enough for how for loops work?
[09:31:51] <pyCube> sure
[09:32:11] <JonathanThompson> Well, in Ruby, the equivalent does not exist to decrement for each loop iteration.
[09:32:49] <pyCube> um
[09:33:11] <pyCube> huh?
[09:33:20] <JonathanThompson> You need to do a 1-variable to emulate it, or some weird thing.
[09:33:48] * pyCube still doesnt know what 'it' is
[09:34:01] <JonathanThompson> You can't use a for loop in Ruby and count from 100 to 1 without doing a weird hack to make up for the fact that the language itself doesn't allow you to do it in the syntax.
[09:34:32] <pyCube> how would you do it in c/c++?
[09:34:45] <JonathanThompson> for(x=100;x>-1;x--)
[09:35:22] <JonathanThompson> BASIC would have a for a=100: downto 1 step -1
[09:35:46] <JonathanThompson> (It's been a LONG time since I've written BASIC code)
[09:36:58] <pyCube> for i in xrange(100,-1,-1)
[09:37:00] <pyCube> heh
[09:37:09] <pyCube> in python
[09:37:21] <pyCube> would be one way
[09:38:42] <pyCube> but i suppose youre talking about a decrementing counter thing that decrements for each iteration
[09:38:48] <pyCube> or seomthing
[09:38:49] <JonathanThompson> Found a Ruby example showing a do loop that counts backwards, but still, the for loop is so common, and I'm confused why they didn't support it :P
[09:38:56] <JonathanThompson> Yes, pyCube.
[09:41:52] <AlexForster> hah, i'm glad you agree
[09:42:03] <JonathanThompson> ?
[09:42:14] <AlexForster> it's too verbose, in a bad non-basic way
[09:42:17] <AlexForster> that ruby is strange
[09:42:29] <JonathanThompson> What, that Ruby requires a weird hack to iterate backwards in a for loop?
[09:42:37] <AlexForster> yeah
[09:42:45] <pyCube> it suffers from syntax for syntax sake
[09:42:51] <pyCube> heh
[09:43:16] <AlexForster> i can't learn it just from reading it
[09:43:24] <AlexForster> i can with most languages, but ruby just seems illogical
[09:43:32] <AlexForster> or perhaps just so different in concept
[09:43:46] <pyCube> it may be a fine langauge in terms of it working well enough.. it just looks like hell.. hehe
[09:44:01] <JonathanThompson> I started out with BASIC, I've done assembly and machine language of more than one processor, I've programmed in Pascal, toyed with Logo, Forth, perhaps a few other odd things, and made my living with C/C++ and when at work at my current employment and looking at Ruby, I was blown away by a language that is supposed to be modern, etc. but can't iterate backwards without a weird hack in a for loop.
[09:44:41] <JonathanThompson> Every other language I've ever used knows how to do the simple equivalent of a backwards for loop :P
[09:44:42] <myrkraverk> JonathanThompson, what do you mean "iterate backwards" ?
[09:44:53] <pyCube> i still dont quite get that either
[09:44:56] * JonathanThompson asks myrkraverk to read the previous conversation with pyCube
[09:45:12] <AlexForster> for(i=100;i>0;i--) ...
[09:45:20] <AlexForster> ruby can't do that
[09:45:27] <pyCube> are you talking about actually iterating backwards, or just decremeneting acounter?
[09:45:31] <AlexForster> it can only count up, apparently
[09:45:34] <myrkraverk> JonathanThompson, ah
[09:45:45] <JonathanThompson> Now you see why I was so baffled :P
[09:45:47] <Ed__> just count up and use 100 - i then ;)
[09:45:59] <AlexForster> yeah, but that's not the point
[09:46:15] <AlexForster> i would love to design a language.. i think everyone would
[09:46:22] <pyCube> i wouldnt
[09:46:30] <AlexForster> i have the idea of my perfect language
[09:46:39] <pyCube> i enjoy using a good language more
[09:46:51] <Ed__> i'd rather stick with C ;)
[09:46:53] <AlexForster> yeah, std libraries are important
[09:46:56] <JonathanThompson> My thoughts are that the reason Ruby is like that is because the creator of the language and grammar was a lazy bum :P
[09:47:10] <JonathanThompson> (The most logical reason)
[09:47:18] <pyCube> JonathanThompson: i know a solution.. python
[09:47:19] <pyCube> :-p
[09:48:22] <JonathanThompson> I absolutely agree C/C++ has some insane syntax for a lot of things, but as long as you understand it, it won't make you go and do weird things to express simple things.
[09:48:22] <AlexForster> and whoever said "hey, let's script our webserver to spit out different html based on things" was a genius
[09:48:35] <AlexForster> (i'm wikipedia-ing languages, gets me going)
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[09:51:36] <JonathanThompson> I suppose, pyCube, it's running into such an absolutely whacked grammar/conceptual idiotsynchrosy so early in an online tutorial for a language that has me worred about how many other stupid things the language has waiting for unsuspecting developers that think in a fairly logical and consistent manner :)
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[10:00:16] <stargater> in yab (yabasic) for a=1 to 100 print a next a
[10:00:35] <stargater> 3 lines loop
[10:01:12] <pyCube> ...
[10:03:52] <stargater> http://tm.kaldience.com/dir/members/stargater/rot13/rot13.yab
[10:04:38] <stargater> screenshots = http://tm.kaldience.com/data/php/dir.php?dir=/dir/members/stargater/rot13
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[10:55:05] <emitrax> morning all
[10:56:50] <stargater> moin emitrax
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[14:36:20] <franxico> go Haiku !
[14:36:44] <mmu_man> plop
[14:36:52] <franxico> \o/
[14:37:21] <franxico> salut Monsieur
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[15:06:25] <mmu_man> freeze!
[15:06:32] <mmu_man> oh, a polar bear!
[15:06:44] * JonathanThompson hands it a dove bar
[15:07:02] <JonathanThompson> I'd be even more worried if you spotted a bipolar bear :)
[15:07:20] <JonathanThompson> (Most are sufficiently predictable)
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[15:48:51] <kad77> what is this ------->              #
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[15:49:26] <TuneTracker> Greetinks...
[15:49:31] <kad77> hello
[15:49:36] <TuneTracker> Does anyone know if a Haiku version of the "alert" program has been made yet?
[15:49:37] <TuneTracker> hi kad77
[15:49:54] <kad77> i don't think anyone is around, atm
[15:49:58] <TuneTracker> k
[15:50:11] <TuneTracker> mmu_man plop
[15:50:42] <kad77> tune: you a whiz with build scripts or anything?
[15:50:52] <TuneTracker> kad77 Very primitive abilities
[15:51:14] <TuneTracker> I can do some very elemental scripting, barely worth mentioning  :-)
[15:51:47] <TuneTracker> mmu_man Is there an "alert" replacement in Haiku at this point?  If so, how can I get my hands on it and try it?
[15:52:07] <kad77> i'm not too sophiscated there either. I just moved my haiku build to a new machine/linux setup and I can't build gcc due to some strange error ... I think bash is broken (new release)
[15:52:10] <TuneTracker> the BeOS 5 alert seems to have bugs/problems...hangs up a lot.
[15:52:27] <TuneTracker> kad77 Waaaay over my head  :-D
[15:52:44] * kad77 is just floating this one. :D
[15:54:04] <TuneTracker> never hurts to try.
[15:54:09] <TuneTracker> Lots of brains in this room
[15:54:34] <TuneTracker> Just have to find someone actually here  :-)
[15:54:39] <kad77> hey
[15:55:08] * TuneTracker needs an alert replacement
[15:56:45] <kad77> what is alert used for?
[16:02:01] * JonathanThompson alerts TuneTracker to his presence so that he can remember in the past that there may be future opportunities which may be available in the present
[16:02:10] <JonathanThompson> It's for alerting users, kad77.
[16:02:58] <JonathanThompson> Think of it as a scriptable BAlert panel.
[16:04:33] <kad77> thx.
[16:04:56] <JonathanThompson> type  alert --warning "Hi, your cat is about to explode"   in Terminal
[16:05:13] <kad77> JonathanThompson: can you believe this ... http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/18/1847231 ??
[16:05:38] <kad77> my cat does look like its packed with explosives ... or ham, can't tell
[16:06:26] <JonathanThompson> Too much ham could have the same overall result, though perhaps not quite as much fireworks.
[16:06:48] <JonathanThompson> Actually, kad77, that story (though how they may ham it up is an issue) is all too believable.
[16:07:35] <JonathanThompson> Since there's a combination of programmable hardware as well as software involved as well as nasty conditions, it's just prone to fail sooner or later, and considering what it is, in a spectacular fashion.
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[16:08:25] <kad77> It's amazing how daft people can be
[16:08:27] <JonathanThompson> I could easily picture something overheating, and causing it to turn on its turret and keep on going, not knowing that the input was faulty.
[16:08:57] <kad77> I can picture the Dilbert comapny that designed that
[16:09:16] <JonathanThompson> It could be hardware failure, software failure, or a combination of both.
[16:09:32] <kad77> see the fault analysis of the ISS's three nav computers the other day?
[16:09:39] <JonathanThompson> No.
[16:10:01] <JonathanThompson> Chances are, there's at least one human to blame somewhere along the line, though :P
[16:10:19] <kad77> triple redundant system, right? they had all three hooked up to a common 'kill' wire for over voltage. When it corroded due to moissture, no navigation stabilization
[16:10:45] <JonathanThompson> Yup, at least one human to blame there :)
[16:10:51] <kad77> haha
[16:12:07] <JonathanThompson> One of the comments hit my funny bone, a sick person:  "# kill -9 ...for the real world!"
[16:12:24] <kad77> you find that on /.
[16:13:22] <kad77> are you over being sick now? your were falling off the keyboard teh other week
[16:14:28] <JonathanThompson> Yeah, at least for everything meaningful.
[16:14:44] <JonathanThompson> That was a weird virus, and talking to my oldest brother in Utah, that virus has serious legs.
[16:15:18] <JonathanThompson> He got it, he knows someone else that got it, and talking to someone last week at the Bellevue's farmers market, one of the vendors I talked to had heard a lot of people getting it, too.
[16:15:35] <JonathanThompson> So, don't be too surprised if you get it :P
[16:15:39] <kad77> yeah, viruses are not one the most treatable ailments to boot.
[16:15:57] <JonathanThompson> Time, rest and good nutrition are about the best you can do.
[16:16:10] <kad77> wasn't that merca thing was it?
[16:16:17] <JonathanThompson> Merca?
[16:16:27] <JonathanThompson> That name has no meaning to me.
[16:16:41] <kad77> super drug resistant staph .... it is recently up in the US
[16:16:54] <JonathanThompson> Guess I'll have to look it up.
[16:17:08] <umccullough> yay!
[16:17:16] <kad77> hello
[16:17:16] <umccullough> but that's bacterial
[16:17:21] <JonathanThompson> I'd be one of the people that'd somehow would run into it, knowing my history and luck :(
[16:17:22] <kad77> ah.
[16:17:41] <umccullough> antibiotic-resistant bacteria is bad news
[16:17:51] <JonathanThompson> That doesn't help much in practice, umccullough, if it can't be recovered from short of death :P
[16:17:53] <umccullough> and often of our own creation
[16:18:00] <kad77> actually, that would make sense. there are tons of anti-bactaerials, but notnearly as many anti-virals
[16:18:29] <kad77> too much hand sanitizer
[16:18:34] * JonathanThompson considers he may very well die due to some well-meaning twit with paranoia
[16:19:33] <JonathanThompson> Or, more likely, a combination of a well-meaning twit with paranoia followed up by someone that refuses to even rinse hands after using the bathroom.
[16:20:15] <kad77> umccullough: I'm running into a strange build problem with haiku, who would be a good person to talk to? mmu_man helped me some, but I'm still stuk
[16:20:54] <kad77> JT: hand washing probably saves lives 100:1 over not washing :)
[16:21:18] <JonathanThompson> Agreed.
[16:21:32] <JonathanThompson> But, when people start getting all silly with the anit-bacterial stuff, that can be bad.
[16:21:47] <JonathanThompson> The act of washing itself with a surficant is what does the most good in practice.
[16:22:24] <kad77> right, soap is fine. I do work for medical offices, and have never seen so much hand sanitizer... :/ since they are always touching ppl, etc
[16:22:48] <umccullough> kad77, dunno :/ you could try posting to the haiku-devel mailing list
[16:22:54] <kad77> seems like at least the appropriate place for the product, but still I wonder about this topic
[16:24:13] <umccullough> some exposure to bacteria is a good thing - it builds the immune system, and too much anti-bacterial crap breeds resistant bacteria
[16:24:14] <kad77> umccullough: perhaps you are right. I have spent many hous working on solving it, but I think it is the newer packages on my build host. I wish I could figure out which is breaking haiku, maybe we will all need to know soon. :)
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[16:24:34] <umccullough> not to mention, all that anti-bacterial crap in our sewers reduces the effectiveness of a sewer
[16:25:03] <umccullough> at least with my septic tank thats the case
[16:25:10] <kad77> umc: thats why believe in the '4 second rule' when no such rule exists. Depends on how expensive the food was and what floor though. :D
[16:25:12] <JonathanThompson> Ah, having not read the article fully itself, kad77, someone on /. revealed that the guns that went haywire were never meant to be fully automated: the automation for the firing itself was an afterthought added by someone else, despite the manufacturer's warnings.
[16:26:38] <kad77> JT: in typical slashdot fashion; I didn't read that article... thanks though, and that is way more believable than some comapny selling an autocannon that problematic (talk about liability, yeesh)
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[16:27:05] <JonathanThompson> umccullough, you just gave me the idea that you're perhaps far more right than I'd like to think: sewers where what would normally not be hit with antibiotics constantly getting a dose of it mixed in, makes me wonder what percentage of that will survive and spread out of the system before getting heated sufficiently (or other methods) to deactivate it.
[16:27:39] <JonathanThompson> I know darn well that even with the best system in use, at least some stuff escapes from the intended treatment method, somehow.
[16:28:07] <kad77> the treatment is usually organic, so yes, that would be bad
[16:28:26] <kad77> the prolem is worse because so many people abuse anti-biotics
[16:28:27] <umccullough> just do some research on anti-bacterial products and hand santizers - and how truly effective they are in the "real world"
[16:28:45] <umccullough> yes, anti-biotics must be taken properly, or they cause more harm than good
[16:28:49] <umccullough> and sparingly
[16:29:02] <kad77> they start a course of them, and don't finsih them because they feel better. those people are now more drug-resistant
[16:29:09] <umccullough> all these drug-crazy people in the "brave new world" have no real immune system anymore ;P
[16:29:27] <umccullough> kad77, you mean their bacteria is more drug-resistant
[16:29:29] <JonathanThompson> And here I am, with one on steroids.
[16:29:51] <JonathanThompson> (Perhaps as a side-effect of being too clean when little)
[16:29:54] <kad77> umc: yes, I was imprecise
[16:30:03] <umccullough> the problem with not finishing your anti-biotics is that the bacteria generally doesn't completely die :)
[16:30:08] * JonathanThompson sees kad77 in a fuzzy viewing glass
[16:30:10] <umccullough> anyhow, i must go - ttyl!
[16:30:16] <JonathanThompson> Bye umccullough.
[16:30:21] <kad77> l8r
[16:30:30] <JonathanThompson> Hand me a razor, kad77, to shave the viewing glass :P
[16:30:55] <kad77> heh, I will shatter you perception
[16:31:02] <dr_evil> whats going on here?
[16:31:02] * kad77 just hurt himself
[16:31:22] <JonathanThompson> We're playing with loaded words, and it sounds like kad77 just shot himself :)
[16:31:27] <kad77> comedy is not for the faint
[16:32:23] <JonathanThompson> Ah, but the faint are most likely to take it lying down :)
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[16:33:28] * kad77 realizes that he has no coffee. And if h did, it may not help his word association.
[16:33:34] <kad77> brbr :D
[16:34:04] * JonathanThompson hands kad77 an Open Source Dictionary created by a Free Word Association
[16:35:12] * JonathanThompson goes to listen to the morning news while preparing to think about wandering off to work through the traffic snarls reality promises from wet weather, power outages, and lousy drivers
[16:36:37] <kad77> good talking to ya, catch ya later'
[16:39:30] <urnenfeld> anyone can confirm me if serial mouses are supported in Haiku ?
[16:39:36] <urnenfeld> mice*
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[17:36:23] <ekdahl> anyone know for sure if haiku now can be built on amd64 linux?
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[17:47:11] <ddew|bofh> lo
[17:47:50] <ddew|bofh> ekdahl: i've been unable to build haiku on amd64
[17:48:55] <ekdahl> ok, and does that apply to recent revisions?
[17:48:59] <ddew|bofh> not even using the gcc4 crosstools
[17:49:10] <ddew|bofh> recent being the latest as of a few days ago
[17:49:14] <ekdahl> hmm, ok
[17:49:50] <ddew|bofh> around r22600
[17:49:59] <ekdahl> it's time to upgrade ubuntu, and I'm thinking about switching back to amd64
[17:50:21] <ekdahl> what's the problem?
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[17:51:47] <ddew|bofh> tbh i have no idea, problems build libroot methinks. it mentions stage1.bin in the errors but i've not investigated it much
[17:51:54] <ddew|bofh> *building
[17:54:58] <ekdahl> ok
[17:55:28] <ddew|bofh> if you're thinking of upgrading your distro i'd suggest giving opensuse a try
[17:55:34] <ddew|bofh> 10.3 is amazing
[17:56:03] <ekdahl> it's using kde right?
[17:56:53] <ddew|bofh> it's an installation choice
[17:57:15] <ddew|bofh> i'm using the gnome desktop but i've heard good things about their kde tweaks
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[17:58:40] <ekdahl> ok, what package format is used?
[17:59:04] <ddew|bofh> rpm, but they've done insane improvements to their system compared to 102
[17:59:39] <ddew|bofh> takes some getting used to but i find it even more flexible than apt-get
[17:59:50] <ddew|bofh> and i've been using debian for 10+ years
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[18:00:38] <ekdahl> thanks, I'll read some about it and see..
[18:01:15] <ddew|bofh> have fun :)
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[18:15:20] <aldeck> ekdahl, i tried building on 64bit linux two days ago without success...
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[20:07:34] <Lelldorin1> hi all
[20:08:26] <AndrevS> hey
[20:08:26] <pyCube> hi
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[20:52:24] <sloar> how close is haiku now to being a full beos 5 replacement?
[20:53:06] <cizra> Not so far, but not so close either.
[20:53:40] <cizra> It runs, but it doesn't support everything yet.
[20:53:49] <sloar> stand alone?
[20:53:53] <cizra> hm?
[20:54:04] <sloar> no need for a host os
[20:54:07] <cizra> It runs on a real hardware, as a real OS, if you meant thta.
[20:54:08] <cizra> that*
[20:54:11] <cizra> yes
[20:54:29] <sloar> excellent
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[20:55:39] <cizra> yes
[20:55:41] <cizra> Very much so
[20:56:36] <Ketsuban> It's not recommended though. It's rather like a small child - most of the time it's gurgling away happily, but occasionally it shits itself or vomits all over its babygro.
[20:56:55] <Ketsuban> And you have to pat it on the back to burp it.
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[21:25:43] <MrSunshine> sloar, cant compile itself tho
[21:26:06] <sloar> ok
[21:26:14] <sloar> gcc4?
[21:26:27] <MrSunshine> 2.9 if you want to run beos apps
[21:26:36] <MrSunshine> that is compiled already for R5
[21:26:39] <sloar> ok good to know
[21:28:02] <JonathanThompson> Wasup, peeps and poops?
[21:35:44] <MrSunshine> i do not get the opengl part, how its presented to screen .. does it render to just a pixel buffer then that is presented in the window? :)
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[21:43:56] <JonathanThompson> I see someone that's in here frequently believes "Minority Report" is appropriate in the world of law :P
[21:45:55] * kad77 clones JonathanThompson twice and sticks all three of him in an underwater tank
[21:46:29] * JonathanThompson grows gills in triplicate
[21:48:14] <kad77> Haiku R2 needs a voice controlled interface
[21:49:06] <kad77> lets get IBM to open ViaVoice
[21:49:12] * kad77 emails IBM
[21:50:22] * kad77 finds out Nuance, which acquired ScanSoft (and thus Dragon Naturally Speaking) now owns ViaVoice ... nevermind
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[21:50:51] <stargater> hicc
[21:52:39] <JonathanThompson> So much for simple solutions to complex problems, kad77 :)
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[22:00:10] <pyCube> hm.. yep
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[22:01:37] <AlienSoldier> the killer robot of the other day is from the company that i worked for, i was working on the missile launcher version
[22:02:02] <AlienSoldier> i must say i was not surprised when i did read about that some min ago :)
[22:02:36] <JonathanThompson> Well, one of the posters on /. noted that the original manufacturer did not provide that feature, that it was an after-market add-on.
[22:04:07] <AlienSoldier> yes, those system are patched to hell, we even needed to do a ram expension module to one and do a compiler for that, talk about stupidity.  Back then i told them it should all be redone from scatch as it would cost less
[22:04:59] <AlienSoldier> the radar system on that model look exactly like the one i was working to also
[22:05:28] <MrSunshine> if you work there are you realy allowed to talk about this stuff? :)
[22:05:46] <AlienSoldier> stoped working there at end of 98
[22:05:47] * JonathanThompson anticipates commandos breaking into AlienSoldier's abode
[22:05:57] <AlienSoldier> and i don't care about NDA
[22:06:03] <AlienSoldier> i'm an anarchist
[22:06:10] <JonathanThompson> I strongly suspect that doesn't give you any permissions/rights to talk much about them even now, though.
[22:06:11] <MrSunshine> and a stupidist then
[22:06:38] <JonathanThompson> Very important to remember, AlienSoldier: this entire chatroom is logged and online for the entire world to look at.
[22:06:53] <AlienSoldier> i don't care
[22:08:20] <pyCube> i am pretty sure that many people havent given anarchy much thought, let alone have any understanding of the concept
[22:08:25] <AlienSoldier> folk need to know btw that weapon of all kind are full of stuff half assed and are dangerous
[22:08:45] <MrSunshine> haha
[22:08:48] <MrSunshine> well duh
[22:08:58] <MrSunshine> WEAPONDS ARE MADE TO KILL, THEY SHOULD BE DANGEROUS :p
[22:09:56] <AlienSoldier> pyCube most associate is it violence and public protestation, since when does an anachist care about lobbying :)
[22:09:59] * JonathanThompson searches in vain for a safe killing machine
[22:10:12] <AlienSoldier> *it with
[22:10:35] <pyCube> AlienSoldier: yeah.. as if anarchy == mad max crazy run around and break shit hedonism
[22:10:40] <AlienSoldier> JonathanThompson Futurama seemed to have safe suicidal booth :)
[22:10:54] <JonathanThompson> But what if you made a mistake walking into it? :)
[22:10:57] <MrSunshine> not safe if it kills :P
[22:10:58] <JonathanThompson> Is it safe, then? :P
[22:11:25] <pyCube> MrSunshine: depends on what you want to be safe FROM
[22:11:32] <JonathanThompson> Heck, for all you know, it'll be unsafe in that it doesn't accomplish the intended task :P
[22:11:36] <pyCube> being dead is pretty safe from life
[22:11:43] <JonathanThompson> Thus leaving someone severely disabled, but not dead, as desired.
[22:11:46] <pyCube> and the trials and tribulations thereof
[22:12:17] * JonathanThompson wonders what the possibility that in the afterlife, our troubles and tribulations follow us somehow
[22:12:42] <JonathanThompson> That'd be really annoying: you kill yourself, thinking to end it all, and then you realize that you've still got problems, but now what do you do?
[22:12:42] <pyCube> shouldnt a prior wonder be about the possibility of an afterlife at all?
[22:12:51] <pyCube> hehe
[22:13:02] <pyCube> "wherever you go, there you are"
[22:13:23] <AlienSoldier> and windows is still a monopoly in the afterlife :P
[22:13:23] * JonathanThompson notes a weird bug in SeaMonkey
[22:13:59] * JonathanThompson wonders if Windows in the afterlife has a Blue Screen Of Life
[22:14:03] <MrSunshine> gah where are all the AS_ messages processed in the app_server :)
[22:14:18] <AlienSoldier> hehe good point :)
[22:15:17] <JonathanThompson> Time to go back to work.
[22:21:06] <AlienSoldier> was amazed to notice a USB2.0 PCI card working in R5 witht the Haiku USB stack
[22:24:04] <MrSunshine> yeey ServerWindow.cpp it is :P
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[22:46:40] <stargater> re
[22:47:03] <AndrevS> wb
[22:47:46] <myrkraverk> re too ;)
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[23:17:36] <pulkomandy> +++
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[23:18:48] <Cube-ness> yep.. i like coding for a living sometimes
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[23:48:37] <stargater> re
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[23:55:53] <MrSunshine> the port system in haiku/beos, is that like linux fifos, or like message queues or what? :)
[23:56:53] <MrSunshine> fifo queue :)
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